The 2018 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

The 2018 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees were officially announced on Wednesday, December 13th. The induction ceremony will be back in Cleveland on April 14th. Here are the inductees:

Performers:

Early Influence:

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Surprised Radiohead missed out. Sad there are only 5 Performer inductees. And the Cars getting in are the closest thing this has to a pleasant surprise for me.

It's like the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is intentionally aiming for mediocrity.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 07:27am


This is an amazing class. The voters went with the older acts. No Rage and no Radio!

MY FINAL PREDICTION WAS CORRECT.

Why no non-performers this year?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 07:28am


The Voting Statistics page has been updated. No more Moody Blues and Bon Jovi in the top 10.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 07:31am


Surprised Judas Priest didnt make It. Most of the heavy metal bands have 4 or 5+ band members. Thats plenty of votes. Congrats to Moody Blues and The Cars. Log jam continues for J. Geils Band, Rufus, The Zombies, and other 3+ nomination groups. Livin On A Prayer guys! Radiohead no HOF biggest shock I can remember. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 07:41am


Yawn

All of my predictions came true except for Radiohead not being inducted... that’s hilarious I might add

Only 5, seriously? They could’ve easily gone with Radiohead, Judas Priest, Depeche More, Rage Against the Machine, MC5 and Kate Bush over Bon Jovi and Dire Straits. Where’s the excitement, the variety, the unpredictability.

Yes it’s fantastic to see the long overdue inductions of Simone and Tharpe but the missed potential here is nothing short of baffling and the committee all need to be fired and replaced with competent voters.

3.5/10 for the 2018 class

4/10 for the 2018 Class.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 08:10am


I'm guessing the induction ceremony will induct them in this sequence:

1. Dire Straits--just like ELO with "Roll Over Beethoven," they'll want the ceremony to open with Sting warbling out his famous line "I want my MTV..." kicking it off with "Money For Nothing."

2. The Cars--something lively and exciting next.

3. Sister Rosetta Tharpe--sandwich the other category induction right in the middle

4. The Moody Blues--put the prog and the long-awaited snub to kick off the second half

5. Nina Simone--the inductee that isn't the people's pick, the most artistic of the bunch just before the schlock

6. Bon Jovi--the headliner, and the act that'll sell tickets. They're closing.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 08:11am


Congratulations to all the inductees!! Especially The Moody Blues! Tremendously deserving group. I am happy that The Cars made it. Giants of New Wave Rock. Dire Straits is a good addition, even if I considered them borderline in terms of deserving induction. And while Bon Jovi , a decent band, does not rank with the all time rock bands in terms of musical quality, they belong because of their unprecedented success as a hard rock band on the singles charts. I remember how extraordinary that was. Still a hugely popular group, and one of the biggest concert draws in the world.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 08:28am


THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

19 LIVING WHITE MEN

1 DEAD WHITE MAN

2 DEAD BLACK WOMEN

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 08:32am


Radiohead's omission surprised me. I had heard that they were sure things. I suppose their disregard for the Hall played some role in that. Will likely be in in the next few years. Sister Rosetta Tharpe, the Grandmother of Rock and Roll, now joins the pantheon of greats of popular music. Dire Straits surprised me as well. My favorite song by these Brits is Skateaway. And Now Nina Simone, whose music I don't know at all, will receive greater exposure. I thought LL Cool J would make it, as one of the first successful rappers. I'm not a rap fan, even though I'm black, but he was certainly important for his genre of music.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 08:41am


By the way , I'm happy that the great Tom Petty, who passed this year, was inducted years ago and lived to perform at his ceremony, unlike people like Stevie Ray Vaughn , Lou Reed, and John Lord ( Deep Purple). If Emerson Lake and Palmer are ever inducted, Emerson and Lake won't be around to experience it, sadly. Hopefully Foreigner, The Guess Who, Pat Benatar, Jethro Tull, and Neil Sedaka live to see induction.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 08:52am


Judas Priest should have made it in. A shame. Hopefully the Scorpions, Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains will be there someday. Also Paul Anka, Connie Francis, and Chubby Checker. And Neil Sedaka.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 08:57am


My choice would be to replace Bon Jovi with The Zombies, but Bon Jovi had the most on the fan vote, so they won it fair and square. Hopefully The Zombies will get in in 2019.

Posted by danny on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 09:31am


I think its a pretty good class, although the stubbornness of the hall to induct 5 and only 5 is such a headache. This year, like the past few years, are the Hall trying to play catch up. A lot of these names should've gotten inducted 10-15 years ago.

I had predicted Dire Straits at the beginning of this year before they were nominated. Mark Knopfler is a guitar idol, and if the likes of Clapton, Collins, Sting, etc. all consider him a peer of theirs, its not surprising that his band got in. Ric Ocasek is another name that just screams "rock and roll hall of famer."

Bon Jovi is too big to ignore. The Moody Blues were long considered one of the biggest snubs. Nina Simone is a great pick whose spotlight grew in the past few years. Sister Rosetta Tharpe is one of the best choices for the EI category.

Radiohead not getting in is a big surprise, but they'll probably get in soon. They, along with Judas Priest, Rage, and LL Cool J probably have the best shots if nominated again next year.

The Meters and Rufus with Chaka Khan, as great as they are, just don't have the name recognition or longstanding radio airplay as an act like Kool and the Gang or The Commodores do. I think if they or someone like the Fifth Dimension were nominated, they'd fare a lot better.

Eurythmics and Depeche Mode will get in sometime soon too, but I think the nom com is gonna go with Kraftwerk once more and once they're in, I think DM & Eurythmics will have an easier time.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 09:31am


Well, congratulations are definitely in order for Rush’s biggest influence, the founding fathers of our favorite genre, prog, The Moody Blues. I think that it is only appropriate for their disciples, Rush to induct their musical fathers. Now please listen to me, editors of Wikipedia and Allmusic Guide. The Moody Blues were a huge influence on Rush, please take the time to make the necessary corrections!

Geddy, Alex and Neil, please get ready to prepare your induction speeches.

Thank you to all of the prog fan bases, especially to the fan bases of The Moody Blues, Rush, Duran Duran and Yes. To the Duran Duran fan base, I think that your favorite band will
be the next prog band to get into the Rock Hall. PROG Magazine, it is time for you to add Duran Duran to the greatest prog artists list.
Otherwise,

Congratulations are in order to The Cars, a band who I had voted for each and every time, along with The Moody Blues and to Dire Straits, a band which I did not vote for.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 09:43am


Speculations on presenters..

Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp for Bon Jovi

Eric Clapton, Tina Turner, Sting, Bob Seger for Dire Straits

Gwen Stefani, Lorde for The Cars

Rush or Phish for The Moody Blues

Elton John for Nina Simone

Mavis Staples for Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 10:49am


Bonnie Raitt should present Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 10:52am


Sebastian Bach for Bon Jovi

Sting for Dire Straits

Rivers Cuomo for The Cars

Wayne Coyne for The Moody Blues

Alicia Keys for Nina Simone

Mavis Staples for Sister Rosetta Tharpe (Good choice Roy)

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 11:21am


I agree with everyone and their thoughts in the above comments. So I'll just repeat them, but in my own tone:

a) 5 inductees? Really? The backlog is just getting larger, and the Rock Hall will be taken less seriously unless it gets its act together.

b) Everyone who is getting inducted is long overdue. Like Steve Z, I predicted Dire Straits before they were even nominated (thanks Spotify! I'll use you next summer as a foreshadower). It'll be a great ceremony, and as I predicted a long time ago, whatever year Bon Jovi will be inducted - they will be the headliner. Glad the voters got them out of the way. As for the Cars, I'm glad they don't have to keep popping up on future ballots. Can't wait to hear their tribute to Orr.

c) Just about everyone predicted Radiohead were destined to be a first-eligible inductee. What happened?! 1) Either Radiohead didn't get enough votes (especially if they added millennial voters!), or 2) Jann Wenner and/or the Rock Hall decided to kowtow to Radiohead and work around them, even though the band clearly doesn't give a crap. Yes, I'm one of those weird conspiracy theorist guys.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 11:26am


Wow. No Radiohead. I guess their refusal to take part may have hurt them. But just for credibility sake, The Hall should have added a 6th Performer Inductee and thrown in Radiohead. They just look foolish. I mean, this is one of the most significant bands of the last couple of decades. Radiohead was not the first to snub the Hall: Axl Rose, Van Morrison, etc.

Sister Tharpe, no surprise there with the sliding her over to Early Influence. We all saw that coming. Wish they had been able to do the same for Link Wray. He really needs to be inducted.

Bon Jovi. I don't get it. I mean, I understand the populist trend that FRL has pointed out so well, but do they even fit that category? I never saw Bon Jovi as having the same impact as a Chicago or Journey in the popular culture. I see Bon Jovi's induction as one of the weakest ever, slightly better than Percy Sledge. When you've got [insert huge snub here], what the hell is Bon Jovi doing in there?

I'm fine with the Moodys and Nina Simone. Don't listen a lot to either, but I don't question their credentials.

Now to two of my favorite bands ever, Dire Straits and The Cars. As much of a fan as I am, I do realize that the argument may be a little weaker for Dire Straits, but Mark Knopfler's respect in the industry pushed them through. And I love them, so I won't complain.

The Cars finally!! Such a great band, so innovative within their own genre, and quite influential. Ric Ocasek is a pop genius.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 11:48am


Well, It is my proud pleasure after many years of waiting to welcome the Moody Blues to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. The forefathers of the Prog rock genre are finally inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame.

It is also Cool to have Bon Jovi into the Gall. I predicted all the inductees that are inducted but I expected 7 not 5. It is puzzling that there were 19 nominees but only 5 inductees. I was also right about the Cars and Dire Straits as well as Nina Simone. I am surprised that Radiohead was not inducted. It is NOT because they werent showing up. They could not get enough Votes. Eurythmics was a gamble. I was thinking perhaps of an extra 80s act. Oh well.

So there they are. We will look to the ceremony.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 11:56am


Jason,

This is what I said about Radiohead



If Radiohead does not get inducted it is not because they will not show up. That is ridiculous. If anything they are not showing up because they realize they are not getting the votes and are just trying to save face with a lame excuse.

This ballot does not deserve to have more than 5 inductees. It is basically a garbage dump. More than half of the nominees should not have been on this ballot.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12.4.17 @ 09:46am

This ballot does nothing to ease the backlog.

When was the last time a country artist was inducted? Conway Twitty was never a good choice. He never had an impact on rock and roll. There were several better choices that did.

Other than Joan Baez when was the last time we had a folk artist inducted?

How many Canadians have been inducted? 3? Joni Mitchell, Neil Young and Rush. What about Guess Who, BTO and Gordon Lightfoot? What about the women?


This is where your shortfalls are.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 13:17pm


"If anything they are not showing up because they realize they are not getting the votes and are just trying to save face with a lame excuse."

You don't know much about Radiohead.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 14:20pm


GOOD NEWS: The RRHOF has come under immense fire in recent years for not inducting enough African-Americans and women. This year they addressed both issues in one fell swoop.
Sadly, next year will probably be "business as usual". (Rap and Rock).
BAD NEWS: Like I said in this thread before , and this year's inductee's class proves it; "When The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame really WANTS to induct somebody, they usually find a way to DO it...even if it means bending the rules.
If that act doesn't garner enough votes to get inducted , they will "back door" that act in by the "Musical Excellence" (or Early Influence ) category."
And , that's just what they did this year. I doubt very seriously that Sister Rosetta Tharpe OR Nina Simone got enough votes to get in...so they "back-doored " Rosetta in through "Early Influence" and got Nina in...."how?" (you tell me).
MORE BAD NEWS : Neither of these women are R&B . Both skirt the BORDERS of R&B ,through the Gospel and Jazz/Blues genres...but neither are R&B .(although Nina did some in her career) So again , the same question that I've asked many times before: ...
"Where are all the R&B acts ?" Do you REALLY believe that Nina Simone got more votes than Chaka and Rufus ? And THEY haven't been able to get in.

If they "back doored" Sister Rosetta Tharpe in through "Early Influence" , why couldn't they "back door" The Pointer Sisters ,Patti Labelle & The Blue Belles/LaBelle, Mary Wells, or The Marvelettes (or even Gene Chandler or Jr. Walker & The All-Stars , for that matter) in through "Musical Excellence" ?
These acts could have just as easily addressed the "Race" and/or "Gender" issues...while at the same time , allowing six much more popular and equally deserving acts, the chance to be inducted...plus it would have conveyed the badly-needed message that, yes, R&B does indeed belong in the Hall .
I'm very glad that these two ladies got into the Hall.
The question is..."How ?"

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 14:24pm


Dezmond

I think too many people on here think in terms of post Boomer music and do not get why some artist do not get the votes. Too many of these artist do not have depth to their resume. Look at where their record sales are and look at who is willing to work with them. If you do not have the respect of established artist and the only artist who work or speak highly of you are only future artist or only from a narrow genre scope and you do not have US sales and none or only a few US artist speak highly of you the chances are that you will not get the votes.

The only song I know by them is Creep which is used on singing competition shows a bit. I am more knowledgeable about the 70s and rock, folk country and Chicago artist. I find that a number of people on here are not as knowledgeable about those areas. Nobody can know it all.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 14:46pm


Bill, I believe that Nina Simone got more votes than Ckaka Khan. Most people here believe Nina Simone got more votes than Chaka Khan. Nina Simone is adored by a lot of the inducted musicians. They have covered her songs, named music instruments after her, worship the ground she walks on. Simone was predicted by most as an inductee.

The Hall has ‘backdoored’ The “5” Royales, as Early Influences. And Nile Rodgers. But I think you’re misunderstanding the function of the Musical Influence category. It is not the category of inducting every performer that you can’t get inducted through the voting body. If they would use it like that on a constant basis, they would lose their last shred of credibility. Many would argue that they already have lost that by inducting Ringo Starr and Nile Rodgers through this backdoor. The reason that they have managed to get away with it (somewhat), is that they honoured these artists for their work other than main performer, but as session musicians and producers. If they want to induct other artists through this category, they should have a good story ready on why they are not being inducted as Performers.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 15:57pm


I predicted from the ballot reveal that Radiohead wouldn't get in. Look back over the past few years at how superficial and dumbed down... er, I mean "populist" the voting committee has become. They weren't going to get Radiohead.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 16:13pm


Zuzu,

Your opinions and musical tastes are your own. I respect everyones. No, the Radiohead one really struck me as odd in several ways. "Creep" has been covered by so many, including Tears For Fears (which I saw them perform live) to the late Prince. Radiohead's albums and such have appeared at the top of several so-called professional critics' lists. Three of their albums are on Rolling Stone's Top 500 list. And as the FRL guy tweeted, Radiohead is #73 on their Immortals list. The band has headlined several major festivals. This is minor, but as I pointed out, they have added younger voters, most if not all, journalists. All of this was not enough. I'd like to say, maybe it was the older voters that didn't vote for them. For me, Radiohead is okay; they're just one of those groups whose music I'd take or leave. If I ever see them live, I'm sure my opinion would change.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 19:34pm


Jason

Just found out something I didn't know. Radiohead covered Creep. According to Second Hand Songs it was actually written by Albert Hammond.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 20:08pm


I was not aware of that either. However, Radiohead wrote the song but then they were later criticized for the melody being too similar to "The Air That I Breathe" which was co-written by Hammond. This is all from the song's Wiki page. I always thought "Creep" sounded like Cracker's "Euro Trash Girl" in some ways.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 20:36pm


My prediction for presenters:

Bon Jovi - inducted by Bob Dylan

The Cars - inducted by Little Richard

Dire Straits - inducted by Rob Thomas

The Moody Blues - inducted by Johnny Rotten

Nina Simone - inducted by Kid Rock

Sister Rosetta Tharpe - inducted by Aldo Nova

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 21:27pm


Zuzu, I was more commenting on your assertion that they said they wouldn't come because they were behind in votes. Knowing what I know of Radiohead, they really don't care about the Hall of Fame. I'm not a huge fan, but they have three records considered by many critics and experts to be amongst the most important of the last couple of decades. None of them contain "Creep," a song the band famously hates and rarely plays. They are without a doubt one of the most significant bands since the mid 1990s. That is why so many people were a bit shocked that they were not inducted this year, their first year of eligibility.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 12.13.17 @ 22:04pm


"The Hall has ‘back-doored’ The “5” Royales, as Early Influences. And Nile Rodgers. But I think you’re misunderstanding the function of the Musical Influence category. It is not the category of inducting every performer that you can’t get inducted through the voting body. If they would use it like that on a constant basis, they would lose their last shred of credibility. Many would argue that they already have lost that by inducting Ringo Starr and Nile Rodgers through this backdoor. The reason that they have managed to get away with it (somewhat), is that they honoured these artists for their work other than main performer, but as session musicians and producers. If they want to induct other artists through this category, they should have a good story ready on why they are not being inducted as Performers." -posted by The Claw.

That may be true , Claw, but , remember, the award is called "The Award for Musical Excellence"...not "Musical Influence".
I did some checking on the Rock Hall database, and here is what I found:

* The E-Street Band was back-doored into the HoF in 2014,instead of going in with Springsteen as Performers.

* Leon Russell was back-doored in as of 2011.

* Wanda Jackson was back-doored in as of 2009. She was actually nominated, but didn't receive enough votes, but they wanted her in, so they put her in anyway, as an "Early Influence" ..because they wanted to induct her, votes or no votes. The time frame of her recording career was clearly during the Rock Era,starting in 1955, so she actually didn't qualify as an "Early Influence". Artists from the Pre-Rock Era (Pre 1950's) qualify as "Early Influence"... but Wanda didn't. They just wanted her in, so they PUT HER IN , by any means necessary.

* Ringo Starr was back-doored in as of 2015, because he was the only member of The Beatles that never got an individual induction, and apparently, his solo recording career wasn't viewed as Hall of Fame worthy. so he was put in via "Musical Excellence".

My point is simply this:
When The HoF really WANTS to induct somebody...they usually will find a way to DO it ...even if it means bending the rules . So, why don't they do it with Classic R&B Acts ?
Actually , they DID...once;

The most noticeable and controversial example of this was that of Smokey Robinson .
It was THE MIRACLES as a GROUP that qualified for induction back in 1987...not Smokey solo. His solo career was only about 14 years old at the time he was inducted ....which meant that he did NOT qualify . But the Hall wanted him in, so they counted his time with the Miracles to let him qualify, and then took Bobby, Ronnie , Pete, Marv, and Claudette, and threw them under the bus !! Miracles Fans have been angry ever since: Even though The Miracles are now inducted, the way that they DID it was an INSULT to them, their historical importance, and their incredible influence and legacy.
And Smokey will now probably will never get that well-deserved second induction !!

My point ?

If the Hall actually WANTS to induct deserving R&B artists, that are snubbed by the voters, and they claim that they can't do it, remind them of Wanda Jackson, Freddie King,(who also got in as an "Early Influence" , even though his career was ALSO during the Rock Era), Ringo Starr , and others that rode the "E.I." and "A. F. M. I." waves right into the Hall...ANYWAY.
It's the next-best thing to a "Get Out Of Jail Free" Card !!

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 02:41am


The Hall has gone from one problem to another.
Now that they are so overly concerned with providing fan service to the crowd that has complained for years that fringe (and some big) older acts haven't gotten in, they are creating the same problem with the younger crowd.
Radiohead not getting in on the first ballot is beyond ridiculous. Regardless of one's personal taste, objectively they are a higher tier first ballot act, and have been projecting as such ever since "Kid A" was released. If this is about the group's apathy toward induction, that's a bad level of petty on the voters' bloc's part.

Posted by Johnny DuBiel on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 02:41am


Ben, Sue, KING and others,

Thank you for your continuing ongoing support of The Moody Blues. Without your support, among others, none of this would have happened. As I have stated previously, “The Moody Blues are third on my list of favorite bands, after Yes (#2) and Rush (#1).” Now that The Moody Blues are to be firmly ensconced in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, I think that would be appropriate it to choose 3 songs by The Moody Blues that you would like to see played at the induction ceremony. Although Justin has already chosen, ‘Nights In White Satin,’ I would personally choose ‘I’m Just A Singer In a Rock & Roll Band’ and ‘The Story In Your Eyes.’ What songs would you choose?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 03:24am


Dezmond

Timing on announcing a concert taking place at the same time of the ceremony is what makes the statement.

after the inductees are announced and you are one of them

publicity stunt


shortly before the inductee announcement

was planning a publicity announcement because I was expecting a win but I got an insider tip that I wasn't getting the numbers. How embarrassing. I better move the announcement up so I don't look stupid.


Shortly after announcing nominees

still publicity but not so ego ridden blatant

If you really didn't care announcing concert info wouldn't coincide with hall announcements.

See where I'm coming from.

This type of thing was a large part of the 60s and 70s. They are just copying what my generation did because they think it makes them look cool. But it doesn't because it is not for the right reasons.

Kind of like all those awards for Woody Allen.

It looks stupid.


Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 04:32am


Ben, Sue, KING and others,

Thank you for your continuing ongoing support of The Moody Blues. Without your support, among others, none of this would have happened. As I have stated previously, “The Moody Blues are third on my list of favorite bands, after Yes (#2) and Rush (#1).” Now that The Moody Blues are to be firmly ensconced in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, I think that it would be appropriate to choose 3 songs by The Moody Blues, which you would like to see played at the induction ceremony. Although Justin has already chosen, ‘Nights In White Satin,’ I would personally choose ‘I’m Just A Singer In a Rock & Roll Band’ and ‘The Story In Your Eyes,’ in addition to the aforementioned masterpiece. Which songs would you choose?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 04:47am


Enig,

It is so great that the Moody Blues are finally inducted. Its about time. The Moody Blues are ninth on my list of favorite artists. My top 3 is the Who(#1), Neil Young(#2) and Eric Clapton(#3). Not all my top favs are Prog. We got our wish. The Moody Blues are in and also its timed nicely with the 50th Ann of Days of Future Passed. It was first breaking through in late 1967 and was a key album in early 1968. So now that The Moody Blues are to be enshrined in the Rock n'Roll Hall of Fame I will choose 3 songs I would like to see played at the induction ceremony. You said that Justin already chose Nights in White Satin. I would personally choose Ride My See Saw and Singer in a Rock n'Roll Band. Acts usually perform popular classics. I just want to say that this is a terrific triumph. I have predicted them every year since 2010. We would discuss the Hall at my Best Buy job. I felt I should predict them until it came true. It finally has.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 06:54am


It’s entertaining to go to Facebook sites of the likes of Ultimate Classic Rock and Classic Rock Magazine and see a bunch of old, entitled, bigoted, white, cis men throwing tantrums over their favourite artists (e.g. Judas Priest) not being inducted and over non-rock artists being inducted.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 08:02am


Enigmaticus,

I'm thrilled that the Moody Blues finally made it. The three songs that I'd like to see performed are Question, Story in Your Eyes, and The Voice. The Voice was a top 20 hit and was the first of their songs that I ever heard back in 1981. Question is my favorite song of the band's with Story in Your Eyes number 2 . But I know that it is logical that they'll perform Nights in White Satin, their all time biggest hit.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 09:06am


And the songs The Actor, Voices in The Sky, Tuesday Afternoon, and Ride My See-saw would be nice to see performed as well.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 09:10am


Some interesting discussion on the RRHOF 2017-2018 Inductees. Honestly, I don't know how Radiohead would find out they weren't getting enough votes. This is supposed to be a secretive process. Sounds speculative to me. It probably worked out for everyone involved that Radiohead fell short in the voting.
Hopefully, Bon Jovi will perform Runaway. Killer song and put them on the map. Probably Wanted Dead or Alive and another number. I'm happy for The Cars and some FRL regulars who are fans of them. I think Just What I Needed and Tonight She Comes are 2 of the best. It sounds like the members get along well. They should put on a good show. Could have waited on Dire Straits but Mark Knopfler is a well-respected and revered guitar player. I think Romeo And Juliet and Money For Nothing are excellent songs. Moody Blues was the Chicago type choice. Musical excellence and longevity. It's amazing Moody Blues still on top of their game 50+ years later. Nights In White Satin still 1 of the best songs ever made. I agree with Bill G. about Nina Simone. Don't see how she would collect more votes than Judas Priest or Radiohead for example. The Zombies would be a good choice for Musical Excellence. No doubt Link Wray will be in soon in some form or fashion. 2018-2019 should be the best slate in RRHOF history. Janet Jackson still out there plus rap legend LL Cool J. Radiohead, Def Leppard, Alice In Chains, The Eurythmics, The Cure, Procol Harum, Stevie Nicks etc. There's some pretty good newcomers with Beck, Counting Crows, STP, as well. Judas Priest appears to return as well. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 09:37am


Thank you Mark Tesla and Ben,

Overall, I think that the induction of The Moody Blues was paramount. Of course, I had also voted for: Eurythmics, Kate Bush, The Cars, Nina Simone (50% of the time) and The Zombies (the other 50% of the time). I have been extremely disappointed that Eurythmics had not been inducted. If somehow, the Rock Hall had chosen 6 performer inductees, instead of five, would the Eurythmics have been inducted?

Even though I am extremely disappointed that Eurythmics had not been inducted, I think that the next logical 80’s era artist to be nominated should be Duran Duran. But, rather than being stuck in their era, like many of their contemporaries, Duran Duran’s sound has continuously evolved. Extraordinary songs like ‘Ordinary World,’ ‘What Happens Tomorrow’ and ‘What Are The Chances?,’ exemplify the maturation in songwriting of this truly remarkable band. Yes, they also deserve immediate induction into the Rock Hall in 2019.

With the upcoming induction of the late great Nina Simone, the question has been asked, who will follow her? My answer is of course, Sade. Helen Folasade Adu will be 59 years old next month, isn’t it time to acknowledge her and her namesake band with a nomination in October, 2018 and an induction in 2019. Sade will receive votes from jazz, r & b, classic rock and prog aficionados.

Although I was greatly disappointed to not see Kate Bush on this inductee list, perhaps a nomination and induction of Carly Simon would be more appropriate. Carly deserves an induction and she also has crossover appeal, not unlike Sade. So, let’s get Carly inducted in 2019, also.

King Crimson, Procol Harum and Jethro Tull should benefit from The Moody Blues’ upcoming induction, also.

Well, what do you, think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 09:58am


Now, with the holy trinity of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) having been inducted, the other members of the prog elite should now be given consideration.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 10:24am


You wouldn't think Nina Simone received more votes than Radiohead or Judas Priest (for example). However, if she did, then maybe it is the 'Gram Parsons Effect'?

That's what I call my assertion that alot of Hall members HATE Gram Parsons (these are generally people who knew him). Maybe the same is happening to Thom Yorke?

I'm absolutely sure that Radiohead will be inducted in not-too-distant future & Gram will probably get in when all those old voters have died, but let's see if Radiohead gets in next year...

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 11:16am


3 MORE FOLK AND 3 MORE PROG TO GO!

FOLK

01. Judy Collins
02. Peter, Paul & Mary
03. The Kingston Trio

PROG

01. Jethro Tull
02. King Crimson
03. Emerson, Lake & Palmer

BONUS

Phil Ochs and Procol Harum

And then it's done!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 12:39pm


Finally have had time to collect my thoughts about the induction class this year.

Bon Jovi - In my humble opinion, this is the worst inductee in the history of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Yes, even worse than Percy Sledge. They influenced zero artists of note and have provided zero innovation to the development of Rock and Roll. In terms of their specific genres, when it Hair Metal, both Def Leppard and Mötley Crüe deserve induction before Bon Jovi. Probably the main reason why I have absolutely no interest of intending the induction ceremony after going 3 of the last 4 years.

The Cars - Very happy that this group was inducted. Their eponymous debut album was way ahead of their times and in many ways one of the "first" albums of the 1980s.

Dire Straits - Not shocked that they were inducted. Mark Knopfler is a certified guitar hero and the Rock Hall loves that. Brothers in Arms is an amazing album, especially the gorgeous title track. However I'm not sure where the rest of their Hall of Fame credentials are after that album and "Sultans of Swing." I would love recommendations from folks who have a better understanding of their music. Will be interesting if they reunite or not for the ceremony. Yay drama!

The Moody Blues - King Crimson deserved induction before them. There I said it. Days of Futures Passed is an incredible album and they deserve induction into the Hall just on that album alone. However, every album after that was an attempt to copy that album, with very little change or growth as artists. King Crimson never stopped innovating going from pure Prog to proto-Prog Metal to album Art Rock, with a mix of everything in-between.

Nina Simone - I am shocked that this voting body voted her in. Totally deserving artist and thrilled that she made it. Hopefully the performance that represents her at the induction ceremony lives up to her amazing standards.

Sister Rosetta Tharpe - There was no reason for her to be nominated in the general category, given that most of her recordings were done before 1954. That being said, I am so happy she's finally being recognized by the Rock Hall for her tremendous influence to the development of Rock and Roll. I hope someone performs for her at the induction ceremony, but I won't hold my breath.

The snubs:

Kate Bush - Way to British and Alternative to ever get inducted. It's a shame.

Depeche Mode - Another 80's British Alternative giant passed over, and this one even had hits in America! I have a feeling they'll get in some day, but it will probably be at least a few more years.

Eurythmics - While both British and Alternative, they were also more soulful then others. Also they had a fairly strong presence here in the United States, which unfortunately is important. I think they could get in as easily as next year with some of the clear out that occurred this year.

J. Geils Band - After doing a review of their work I have a higher level of appreciation for them, but they are still not a Hall of Fame worthy band.

Judas Priest - Currently the 3rd biggest snub to the Hall. They are the second most important group in the development of Heavy Metal, only behind Black Sabbath. Again, I hoping with some of the Classic Rock clear out this year, that they will have better odds next year if nominated again.

LL Cool J - Biggest current Hip-Hop snub, hopefully he can use his Kennedy Center honor from this year as a springboard to induction next year.

MC5 - Another massive snub, but like Kraftwerk they are too obscure and alternative for this ignorant voting body.

The Meters - Never going to happen with this voting body.

Radiohead - Shameful. I knew it was a possibility because they were too British, too Alternative and too weird for the general voting body. Still this is a stain that they Rock Hall will never be able to clean off. This is a snub up there with Black Sabbath having to wait a decade to get in.

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan - I could see this happening in the future, hopefully not after Chaka passes, but knowing the Hall that's probably what will happen.

Link Wray - I have a gut feeling he's going to get in through the backdoor some day. Hopefully I'm wrong and he gets inducted through the regular procedures, but I have my doubts.

The Zombies - Another huge snub, but with The Moody Blues getting in this year, I have a feeling that a lot of that support could transfer here. Hopefully they get in soon.

Overall it is a decent class, but many of these choices are mindboggling (Bon Jovi) and shameful (Radiohead). There need to be changes made to the Rock Hall and they need to be made soon otherwise the Rock Hall and their pivotal mission to honoring and preserving the history of Rock and Roll is going to be in trouble.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 13:09pm


Roy

There is a lot more than 3 more folk to go.

What about the following?

The Chieftains
Steve Goodman
Arlo Guthrie
Gordon Lightfoot
John Prine

What about country artists?

Especially the outlaws
Jimmy Buffett
Melanie


Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 13:10pm


I just don't think all those other folk acts will be inducted, ever! Maybe Melanie and Fairport Convention?

Judy Collins, Peter, Paul & Mary and The Kingston Trio are the Top 3.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 13:46pm


I still can't believe that Dick Dale has been overlooked all these years...He is the king of the surf guitar
Also, I wish they would consider Joe Cocker

Posted by zonker58 on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 13:52pm


Just wanted to add on to what I had written up above yesterday.

In regards to the other nominees...

I feel like Kate Bush and MC5 are a bit too on the obscure side (for now). Once more acts that were directly influenced by them start to become inductees, they'll probably look back and go for names like these.

The J. Geils Band is a group that I think gets shut down a bit too much around here. They're at least borderline and definitely wouldn't be horrible choices, but they're certainly not jumping out at you along some of these other names.

I hope Link Wray doesn't get backdoor-ed. He is a guitar hero, and the hall loves those, but a lot of voters probably only relate him to "Rumble." He can probably benefit from a less classic rock ballot of nominees though, which leads me to...

The Zombies. They're an act that I think will get in if the other classic rock nominees are weaker. They have the long lasting songs, like "She's Not There," "Time of the Season," "Tell Her No," as well as a "name" member like Rod Argent. But when pitted up against acts like Deep Purple, Kiss, the Cars, ELO, Journey, Yes, Dire Straits, and the Moody Blues, its definitely an uphill battle and they're sure to lose votes to these bands. Pit Zombies up against the likes of Procol Harum and Steppenwolf though and I think they'll soar in quite easily.

These past few years, the hall has really made an effort to go after big names that were usually placed around the top of the "snubbed" lists a lot by the general public. Who else really remains from these names? Do you think that, with these names dwindling, the more "critically praised" or alternative acts will get in? What are some bands that you foresee being a "Top 5 Fan Vote" name? The biggest one that jumps out to me immediately is the Monkees. The Monkees are one of those acts that once they get on the ballot, they're in (probably to the detriment of the Zombies again). Sure there are names like Jethro Tull, Boston, ELP, King Crimson, Grand Funk Railroad, and the Guess Who, among others, that will come up, but they've never seemed to jump out at you like the Moody Blues or Deep Purple may have. I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are.

Frankly, I hope they're able to mix it up a bit more with future inductee classes, and I really hope they just expand the amount of inductees per year, but this class really isn't that bad. I've seen a few articles now that are rightly upset that Radiohead is not in, but instead they blast the Moody Blues or the Cars and state that they're not worthy or influential. Give me a break. Statements like that diminish their arguments, in my opinion.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 14:26pm


King,

I am going to go over all the Inductees now. Its like you say Hopefully Bon Jovi wil perform Runaway, a killer song and their breakthrough hit. Probably Wanted Dead or Alive and Livin on a Prayer. Those 3 make sense. I'm glad the Cars got inducted Now. Its their 3rd try. They represent New wave this year. I like tunes on the first 2 albums as well as Magic are some of their best tunes. I didnt expect Dire Straits to pop up this year. Marc Knopfler is highly respected as a guitar player. I think Making Movies and Love Over Gold are terrific albums as well as the great Brothers in Arms album. Moody Blues is similar to the Chicago choice for 2016. Terrific earlier albums and longevity. Its amazing that They are active after over 50 years. A lot of people dont know that they opened for the Beatles back in 1965 before Justin Hayward. They were a typical British invasion band. They were just getting started. Justin joined in 1966 and they then released the mind blowing Days of Future Passed that made them so famous along with albums that followed. Days of Future Passed is a great album. They have a several great albums in my opinion. Nina Simone was a talented Jazz singer in the 60s. It shows that the Hall and many Voters are open to Jazz. She inspired a lot of Rock and pop acts. She must have gotten a lot of Votes from the older Voters over 62. 2018-19 should be a great ballot. I agree with you. Janet Jackson, Def Leppard, Alice in Chains, Procol Harum and the Doobie Brothers are all out there. More on that another time.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 15:49pm


You don't have a prog band on your list. They will definitely continue to nominate a prog band every year until they are all in. There are only 3 left: Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Emerson, Lake & Palmer. 4 if you want to count Procol Harum.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 19:46pm


Roy,

I think there will be Prog fatigue next year for the Hall so I don't think a Prog band will be nominated next year as much as I hate to say it Jethro Tull will be nominated and inducted eventually but I think it will take them a couple of years to be nominated and inducted

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 19:59pm


THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Mary Wells
02. The Marvelettes
03. The Spinners
04. Ben E. King
05. Chubby Checker
06. Dionne Warwick
07. Carole King
08. Tina Turner
09. Willie Nelson
10. The Monkees
11. Jan & Dean
12. The Zombies
13. Jethro Tull
14. King Crimson
15. Judas Priest
16. Depeche Mode
17. Beck
18. Rage Against The Machine
19. Radiohead

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 20:05pm


The holy trinity of prog: Pink Floyd, Genesis, Jethro Tull.

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 21:55pm


Tweet:
In recent years, the Rock Hall voters have rejected these artists:
Radiohead
Depeche Mode
RATM
Jane's Addiction
Nine Inch Nails
The Smiths
The Replacements
The Cure

I agree, some of these are no-brainers. But if all of them were elected, people would bitch because there were no women elected. Only one thing is for sure around here, someone will bitch no matter what the class looks like.

If I were the "no-com" I would give the "vote-com" no choice but to put through artists that are overdue. How about next year the nom-com puts through a ballot with only 10 acts:
NIN
Radiohead
The Smiths
LL Cool J
Janet Jackson
The Spinners
Kraftwerk
Dr Dre
Soundgarden
RATM

Pick 5 from that!

Or, we can put Bad Company, Doobies, or whatever classic rock band they pull out of moth balls to go in straight away.

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 22:17pm


Zuzu, your analysis might work in a vacuum, but again, you have to know something about Radiohead. Read other peoples' thoughts on Radiohead around here if you don't believe me. Whenever they do get inducted, mark my words, they will not show up. Probably the most critically acclaimed band of the last 25 years, but also notorious contrarians and their whole ethos is opposite of anything like institutionalizing the music in a Hall of Fame.

Gassman, your comments are right on. I agree with you that Bon Jovi is one of the worst inductions in the Hall's history. Zero innovation. Some good songs, sure, but "musical excellence"? Influence? How can you parse Bon Jovi's influence from other more deserving bands from their origins like, as you said, Moetley Crue or Def Leppard? Bon Jovi induction is absurd.

And 100% agree with you Gassman on King Crimson. Saw them a couple of months ago, and they STILL will blow your mind live. Innovation? Off the charts. Musical Excellence? In the stratosphere. Influence? Within their genre, few bands are bigger or relevant for longer than KC.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 12.14.17 @ 23:11pm


I'll be honest. This was probably one of the most predictable classes of the past several years. The only unexpected piece was The Cars getting in over Radiohead.

That said, Radiohead's exclusion was a pretty big shock to me. I'm not really a fan of their post-90s output, but objectively I can't think of an artist that has debuted over the past 25 years that has had a bigger mix of popularity, consistent critical acclaim and longevity. I thought they were a total shoo-in but obviously I was wrong.

The rest of the artists who got in were all pretty predictable. I figured that Dire Straits and the Moody Blues would only need one nomination to get in, Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta Thorpe looked like the best female contenders on the ballot, and I figured Bon Jovi would get in as the headliner.

I agree that Def Leppard and Motley Crue would have been better "hair metal" representatives, but I don't have an issue with Bon Jovi's induction overall. I'm probably a bigger fan of his music than most people on here.

Looking ahead to 2019, I think that the induction of The Cars, Bon Jovi and Dire Straits is a real indication that the hall is ready to embrace the 80's decade. I think their inductions are a great sign for bands like Def Leppard and Duran Duran for next year.

I think out of the returning nominees, Judas Priest has the best chance at an induction next year. They are on the radar of the NomCom now, and have way too much influence and respect in the industry to be ignored for long.

A couple of people have mentioned Bad Company and the Doobie Brothers as potential nominees for next year. I completely agree that these two bands look like they are on track to ascend to the top of the "classic rock" heap. If either get nominated, I could see them getting in right away.

While King Crimson is in my opinion the most deserving prog band currently left out of the hall, I think Jethro Tull will be next on the NomCom's target list. They are another band that I think would breeze into the Hall if nominated.

While I don't have an issue with any of this year's inductees, the hall's lack of acknowledgement of alternative artists is starting to get a little bit uncomfortable. They are creating a really bad backlog that is now spanning 3 decades worth of artists. It's not like the NomCom isn't giving them plenty of options every year. I really feel that Kraftwerk is the band holding things up, so hopefully the voters can wise up and get them in soon.

Posted by BSLO on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 00:29am


Here’s who I predict we’ll see next year on the ballot

Bad Company
Depeche Mode
Def Leppard
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
Foreigner
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
MC5
Nine Inch Nails
Radiohead
Rage Against the Machine
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Warren Zevon

Of these 19, I predict they’ll go with

If 5
Bad Company
The Doobie Brothers
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Radiohead

Then if 6, Janet Jackson

I think it’s safe but sad to assume that Kraftwerk will never get inducted at this point until Nine Inch Nails and Depeche Mode do and that’s going to be a long as hell time until that happens with the Hall only really being interested in inducting Classic Rock artists. It’s a shame

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 04:08am


So I am surprised that neither Radiohead nor Eurythmics were inducted. If you are out there DarinRG. I was inspired partly by you to think outside my comfort zone. I really am not a fan at all of Eurythmics. I do remember they were key in the 80s. Annie Lennox gave that duo group great success. Dave Stewart is the partner in that duo. Sweet Dreams was a huge top ten hit in 1983. I recall album titles like Touch and Revenge. Now Radiohead were very key in the 90s. I know that. Creep is really the only tune I know. I know they were raved about a lot. It beats the hell out of me So ironically both acts were snubbed. That's fine with me based on my music tastes but just to be fair both acts should get a chance some time. I suppose. I suppose Eurythmics for instance may be snubbed for awhile the way Steely Dan was many years back for a few years. I thought I would put it in perspective like that.

I do like a whole lot of acts of the 80s as I have said. I personally like Duran Duran a lot more than Eurythmics as well as Simple Minds,the Go Gos and Robert Palmer. Those are just a few. How about those? Judas Priest will have other chances as well. They were a runner up for me. I think a bunch of veteran voters held them back who know nothing about heavy rock.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 08:49am


Dezmond,

I am extremely familiar with King Crimson’s early discography, with the possible exceptions of USA, which I have never owned and the 1980’s version of King Crimson, with Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Tony Levin and Bill Bruford, which in my honest opinion, is the best overall King Crimson. I am a huge suppporter of the induction of King Crimson, also. But, not everything that King Crimson has ever done has been brilliant. I personally cannot stand, “Lizard,” for example. There are times when King Crimson are brilliant: ‘In The Court Of The Crimson King,” “Lark’s Tongues In Aspic,” “Red,” “Discipline,” “Beat,” “Three Of A Perfect Pair” and “Thrak,” however.

Since it is fun to do so, let's speculate what the 2019 Rock Hall nominees list might look like:


01. King Crimson
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Sade
05. Carly Simon
06. Soundgarden
07. Doobie Brothers
08. Willie Nelson
09. Lionel Richie
10. The Spinners
12. Nine Inch Nails
13. Judas Priest
14. Motörhead
15. Twisted Sister
16. Eurythmics
17. Kansas
18. Foreigner
19. Tori Amos

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 10:13am


Dezmond,

I am extremely familiar with King Crimson’s early discography, with the possible exceptions of USA, which I have never owned and the 1980’s version of King Crimson, with Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Tony Levin and Bill Bruford, which in my honest opinion, is the best overall King Crimson. I am a huge suppporter of the induction of King Crimson, also. But, not everything that King Crimson has ever done has been brilliant. I personally cannot stand, “Lizard,” for example. There are times when King Crimson are brilliant: ‘In The Court Of The Crimson King,” “Lark’s Tongues In Aspic,” “Red,” “Discipline,” “Beat,” “Three Of A Perfect Pair” and “Thrak,” however.

Since it is fun to do so, let's speculate what the 2019 Rock Hall nominees list might look like:


01. King Crimson
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Sade
05. Carly Simon
06. Soundgarden
07. Doobie Brothers
08. Willie Nelson
09. Lionel Richie
10. The Spinners
12. Nine Inch Nails
13. Judas Priest
14. Motörhead
15. Twisted Sister
16. Eurythmics
17. Kansas
18. Foreigner
19. Tori Amos

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 10:13am


Since it is fun to do so, let's speculate about what the 2019 Rock Hall nominees list might look like:


01. King Crimson
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Sade
05. Carly Simon
06. Soundgarden
07. Doobie Brothers
08. Willie Nelson
09. Lionel Richie
10. The Spinners
12. Nine Inch Nails
13. Iron Maiden
14. Motörhead
15. Twisted Sister
16. The Cure
17. Kansas
18. Foreigner
19. Tori Amos
Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.8.17 @ 21:25pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 10:29am



Kansas, Carly Simon, Lionel Richie, and esp. Twisted Sister(????) HAVE NO CHANCE IN HELL!!! #juststopit

Posted by KXB on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 12:05pm


Enig, admittedly I am a King Crimson fanatic, but you should give "Lizard" another shot. I used to dismiss it as well (actually, Robert Fripp used to say it was crap too), but now they are actually playing "Cirkus" and an abbreviated version (only 10 minutes) of the title track on their current tour. Fripp has come around on that album, you might as well. The 80's Crimson are my favorite as well. I wasn't a big fan of the current line-up until I saw them live, and they were phenomenal. Order the "Live in Chicago" show that is available that was recorded this summer. It will really impress, I think you, and includes the "Lizard" material that you might see in a new light. And they open with a killer "Larks' Tongue in Aspic, Pt. 1" (like they did at the show I saw as well).

Anyway, I think King Crimson is one of the bigger snubs at this point. There is no excuse not to have the leaders of any genre not in by now, and KC is probably the most respected prog band ever. Which is also why Judas Priest also needed to be in long ago, as they are one of the most important metal bands.

That has been my main gripe. Regardless of whether you like or don't like a genre of music, just objectively speaking, by definition the most important artists of any subgenre of rock and roll should probably be in the Hall of Fame, right?

The voters were really stupid on leaving Radiohead out.

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 12:21pm


I think of the nominees snubbed this year will return. I expect Eurythmics, J Geils Band, Judas Priest and the Meters to return. The Hall doesnt seem to be giving up on J Geils Band. But I dont expect them to be inducted anytime soon. I know their Blues Rock history but a lot of Voters probably dont. Judas Priest may need at least a few nominations the way Deep Purple did. The problem is they need more than the typical Heavy Rock voters.

I think Janet Jackson will return and perhaps my failed prediction of Tina Turner will make it to a ballot for 2019. The Moody Blues are finally inducted. This will pave the way for Emerson,Lake and Palmer and Jethro Tull. Both well deserved. I am not predicting a ballot for 2019. This is just some thoughts.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 13:47pm


It's been a busy week for me, so just getting caught up here.

A few things in replay to recent comments I've seen here.

There were numerous remarks from people who seem surprised that Nina Simone would receive more votes than Radiohead. Keep this in mind: Last year, Joan Baez received the largest number of votes; in 2012 Laura Nyro got more votes than The Cure or Heart. There is a deep strain of voters who are very fond of that sort of very personal and artsy singer/songwriter type and they don't much care what the average fan thinks the definition of Rock And Roll is. They will vote for the musicians that they personally love.

Dire Straits: Gassman asks for recommendations of their music beyond Sultans of Swing or the Brothers In Arms album. Their entire catalog is pretty excellent, except for maybe their final album. In many ways I think of them as the British Steely Dan - meticulous craftsmen who injected their music with jazz and R&B; but Dire Straits did that with more guitar oriented rock instead of the easy listening pop of Steely Dan.

For great songwriting check out "Romeo And Juliet" which was also covered by Indigo Girls. If all you know of the first album is "Sultans Of Swing", listen to "Water Of Love" and "Setting Me Up". "Once Upon A Time In The West" from their second album, "Industrial Disease" from their fourth album. Even on their final album (which seemed like they weren't really excited about making) has "The Bug" which became a hit for Mary Chapin Carpenter.

As for other folk artists. John Prine seems to be to be a very realistic one. I'm not sure this nominating committee would nominate him; but I guarantee if he was nominated that this voting pool would induct him. His songwriting is simply too widely loved for him not to. But I think the nominating committee is largely using the singer/songwriter slot to try to shore up some of the diversity problems of the Hall. The main voting block will not induct The Spinners or Janet Jackson, but they will induct Bill Withers and Nina Simone; so that nomination slot is the only hope they seem to have that they can use to keep away from the horrible press of having exclusively white male guitar bands inducted every year. So that may keep a John Prine, Gram Parsons, or Warren Zevon off the nominations list for awhile until they see some movement in the voting block. Maybe Joan Armatrading as a next most likely target under that assumption?

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 15:04pm


Just a very early crack at a possible slate of 16 nominees for next year that would still let the committe both continue to work on some populist snubs, as well as make sure the inductees aren't exclusively made up of white men:

- A Tribe Called Quest
- B-52s
- Pat Benatar
- Bjork
- Commodores
- Def Leppard
- Eurythmics
- Herbie Hancock
- Janet Jackson
- Judas Priest
- Chaka Khan /;Rufus With Chaka Khan
- Kraftwerk
- Dave Matthews Band
- Procol Harum
- Gil Scott-Heron
- The Spinners

Posted by shrek on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 15:45pm


I read something about Judas Priest here on the site. Rob Halford read his rejection letter. The letter even Stated that it took Black Sabbath 8 nominations before they got in. Heavy metal is a tough to a lot of voters. I like some of their tunes. Breaking the Law, Youve Got Another Thing Coming and Parental Guidance are good tunes. Some voters dont agree even with those. A lot of Heavy metal music critics will have to Vote. Not enough Voters in the Hall to support them. I predicted they were possible but I wisely left them off my list.

Def Leppard is more likely group to be inducted soon as well as Foreigner. Bands like that have more chance.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 17:41pm


Ceremony predictions:

Cold Opening:
Tedeschi Trucks Band playing "Midnight Rider"

Dire Straits Inducted by: Sting

Songs:
"Money For Nothing" (With Sting)
"Romeo And Juliet" (With Amy Ray) - Excluded from telecast
"Sultans Of Swing" (With Derek Trucks)

Sister Rosetta Tharpe video with a brief note of appreciation from Little Richard (who is likely too infirm to make the trip to Cleveland)
Induction by: Mavis Staples

Song:
"Strange Things Happening Every Day" by Mavis Staples, Brittany Howard, and Susan Tedeschi

The Cars Induction by: Billy Corgan

Songs - all with Billy Corgan sitting in place of Ben Orr:
"Just What I Needed"
"My Best Friend's Girl" - Excluded From Broadcast
"Drive"

Nina Simone - Inducted By: Elton John

Songs:
"Ain't Got No, I Got Life" - By Mike Mattison and Elton John - Excluded From telecast
"Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" - By Eric Burden and Elton John
"Sinnerman" - By Rhiannon Giddens and Elton John

In Memorium segment with video and Tedeschi Trucks Band playing Tom Petty's "American Girl"

Moody Blues Inducted By: Neal Schon

Songs:
"Your Wildest Dreams"
"I'm Just A Singer In a Rock N Roll Band" - Excluded From Telecast
"Nights In White Satin"

Bon Jovi inducted by: Chad Kroeger

Songs:
"Dead Or Alive"
"Runaway" - Excluded from telecast
"Livin' On a Prayer"

Ending Jam:
Fats Domino's "I'm Walkin'" followed by Allman Brother's "Whipping Post"

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 18:25pm


The idea that the RNRHOF doesn't like prog isn't exactly accurate now as it once was. The RNRHOF now contains:
Pink Floyd
Genesis
Rush
Yes
Moody Blues (not really prog, but symphonic rock/pop in their early days, close enough)

If you want to see overlooked genres, then look at 80's/90's alternative bands like The Smiths, Depeche Mode, The Cure, NIN, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, etc. who are stuck in RNRHOF purgatory.

I can only see another 2 or 3 prog acts that have a chance of being inducted:
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
ELP would be a real stretch.

That's it.

Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 22:26pm


I had needed to amend that last statement:

Dezmond,

I am extremely familiar with early King Crimson, with the possible exceptions of “USA” and “Earthbound,” which I have never owned. However, in my honest opinion, the 1980’s version of King Crimson featuring: Adrian Belew, Robert Fripp, Tony Levin and Bill Bruford, is the best version of King Crimson.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 03:54am


Shrek,

Why do you think that Neal Schon will induct The Moody Blues and not, the members of Rush, instead?

Classic Rock,

Although, I agree that King Crimson and Jethro Tull are also the most likely prog inductees, then please tell me why do you think that Supertramp, Roxy Music, Procol Harum and Blue Oyster Cult, will not be? By the way, I do agree that ELP might also be a stretch, as well.

Here are the remaining prog artists who I think will be inducted:

Jethro Tull
Duran Duran
King Crimson

Supertramp
Roxy Music
Kansas
Boston
Styx
Asia

Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Blue Oyster Cult
Jefferson Starship

Dream Theater
Tool
Mastodon


Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 09:59am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q3kWZ369A

Welcome to the Official Class of 2018 Inductees

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 10:21am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xS8AQKly3k

Music fan reactions to Rock Hall Inductees 2018

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 10:21am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMYuuKi4N1o

2018 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees revealed

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 10:23am


Enig,
Supertramp - love them, not prog, not a type of band that the hall will recognize

Roxy Music - will get in eventually, not prog

Procol Harum - slim chance they get in still, almost prog early in their career

Blue Oyster Cult - I'm a fan, not prog, don't think the hall will ever recognize them

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 10:48am


Classic Rock,

The holy trinity of prog are: Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues.

The unholy trinity of prog are: King Crimson, Genesis and Jethro Tull.

;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 13:18pm


Enig,

I was going to say that Blue Oyster Cult is not Prog. They are a more basic style Rock band from Long Island. Some stuff like Astronomy is kinda prog but stuff like Godzilla and others are not.

Your other choices like Supertramp is Prog. Not a hit like Logical Song. But stuff like the albums Crime of the Century and Even in the Quietest Moments are.

Supertramp have some chance of induction. Blue Oyster Cult who are Not prog I have often joked would be inducted in 2027. Thats not far from the Truth. They are NOT going in 2 soon

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 14:13pm


Great plan for the show, Shrek! I like what you've done almost wholly. My only real critique is that 1) I would expect women of color to play a more prominent role in Nina Simone's induction, however that plays out. and 2) A reluctance to use the same people two years in a row, which does not bode well for Neal Schon and Amy Ray. I'm going to stand by my prediction that Alan Parsons will induct Moody Blues.

I love the idea of Rhiannan Giddens being part of the Simone tribute, though.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 14:27pm


Ben,

Actually, Blue Oyster Cult consider themselves to be a prog band, I had read it in PROG Magazine a few years ago. I will have to find the specific article later.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 15:25pm


Enigmaticus,
Wouldn't Pink Floyd be in your holy trinity of progressive rock icons? I just searched on Google for Progressive Rock Artists and Pink Floyd is literally the first artist that appears. I agree thou that Yes, Moody Blues, and Rush are among the best in that genre. Although I'm not the biggest Pink Floyd fan, I think they are one of the biggest first-ballot snubs in R&R HOF (David Bowie is another one who should've gotten in his first year of eligibility). In terms of future progressive rock HOF inductees, I think Jethro Tull is probably the next one to appear on a ballot. But I think the HOF should form a subcommittee for Alternative and New Wave acts because they are getting no respect from voters (akin to Hip-Hop/Early Rock/Progressive Rock subcommittee groups that the Nom Com has used in the past). It's ridiculous to think The Smiths, Depeche Mode, The Cure, Nine Inch Nails, and now Radiohead (?!?) are not already in the HOF. Kate Bush, Eurythmics, Replacements, Sonic Youth, Soundgarden, Jane's Addiction, New Order, Joy Division, and many others should also be considered again too. I do have hope The Cars' induction will allow for more Alternative and New Wave acts to not only get nominated but receive induction too.

Thanks for posting my list Richie. Outkast and Beck are the two big first-year eligible artists next year, so I would expect one of them (if not both) to make the shortlist in October.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 15:56pm


Nick,

out of the two big first-year eligible artists (Beck and OutKast) I would say that Beck has the better chance to make the shortlist because as much as I love OutKast I think they'll stick with LL Cool J as the only Rap act to get nominated for a 2nd year in a row just like N.W.A did for two years in a row (2015 and 2016) and Tupac in 2017 and next year is probably his last chance for induction because Biggie will become eligible the year after (in 2020) Jay-Z (in 2021) and Eminem (in 2022) and I think next year will finally be his year for induction because it will be back in New York (LL's hometown) and it will also be the 35th anniversary of Def Jam Recordings (he was the first artist signed) and also he'll have his own SirusXM channel called Rock The Bells Radio starting early this year coming up and don't forget that he recently became the first Hip-Hop/Rap artist to ever receive a Kennedy Center Honor so I think next year would be the perfect time to induct him so I'll say that he'll finally get over the hump and they'll finally induct Rap's first solo superstar next year back in his hometown of New York and he'll make it in just in time before Biggie Jay-Z and Eminem all become eligible

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 16:34pm


richie,

Good to see you on here. You are right that there have been recent years without a person of color. You said next year may be like 2012, 2014 and 2016. You are right there was no person of color in 2012 or 2014. But there was a person of color in 2016. There was a whole group of color. NWA was inducted in 2016. What may have thrown you is that Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Chicago and Cheap Trick were all inducted. They are all Classic Rock. But there was NWA inducted that year. They did Not perform because the ones in charge of the ceremony did not approve of their song selection. I dont know any music of NWA but I do know they didnt perform as protest. They were inducted though.

Last year the person of color was Tupac Shakur. Yet another year with Rap. This year Rap gets a break but the great Nina Simone is inducted. A superb Jazz vocalist of the 60s.

Next Year could be the year for LL Cool J or perhaps R&b will get a spot instead with Janet Jackson or Tina Turner. I predicted both for this ballot but it didnt happen. The Spinners also have a chance. Mainly I wanted to correct you on 2016. You may realize this by now.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 10:54am


Nick:

The holy trinity of prog are: Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues.

The unholy trinity of prog are: King Crimson, Genesis and Jethro Tull.

The holy trinity of space rock are: Pink Floyd, Soft Machine and Hawkwind.

;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 11:26am


My early list of potential 2019 nominees:

Procol Harum
King Crimson
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Sade
Sting
Kate Bush
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Tina Turner
J. Geil’s Band
Eurythmics
Depeche Mode
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
The Spinners
The Meters
The Zombies
Willie Nelson
Garth Brooks
T.L.C.
L.L. Cool J.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 12:02pm


Enigmaticus -
As far as Neil Schon vs members of Rush inducting Moody Blues; I just sort of thought that Geddy Lee had just helped with the induction of Yes last year, so he didn't seem likely to make the quick return. While Schon was there last year for Journey's induction, he made more sense to me for a return trip to honor somebody else. Plus Journey's blend of prog and pop is a more natural evolution from the Moodys than Rush's style though Rush does cite the Moodys as an influence.

As far as Prog bands - under your broad umbrella of the term - I'd say Roxy Music will absolutely get in if they are ever nominated; Duran Duran should be once the HOF barrier against 80s MTV bands eventually breaks down.

Jethro Tull seems very likely to.

I love King Crimson, but they aren't that mainstream, I could see them having the same sort of problems getting in as KRaftwerk have. Not well known in America despite being absolutely huge influences on so many American bands.

Roxy Music is a natural - huge critical acclaim, huge number of bands that claim them as influences. If they ever clear the nomination committee, I think they may go in on their first ballot.

Supertramp and Asia I don't think will ever be nominated. Boston has a higher chance but I think their limited output hurts a bit.

With the populist movement going on, Styx might someday get a shot, but I think they are behind a bunch of bands (Foreigner comes to immediate mind) for that route.

ELP may get nominated, but likely would be a tough sell to the bigger voting body.

BOC I think is viewed more as a Metal/Hard Rock band and thus stis well behind many other of those bands.

Tool I think absolutely will be nominated - Majorly innovative, major success, big influence on following bands. But I think they are waiting on Nine Inch Nails, Janes Addiction, and Rage Against The Machine, all of whom have a certain amount of influence on components of their sound.

Dream Theater seems a reach. Mastodon has another decad before they are even eligible, so it's impossible to predict how much more mainstream they might become in those years; but overall they are likely to be seen more on the Metal lineage than the Prog one and are behind a ton of bands due to that.

Jefferson Starship will never be in or even nominated. Jefferson Airplane is already in, and that will be seen as enough.

I like many of these bands, a few I don't - I don't really take that into account - just an honest assessment of where I think they all lie in relation to the directions of the nominating committee, the large voting block, and in the larger popular culture for ongoing fan support/advocacy.





Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 14:58pm


Alex -

I almost put Mary Blige in that Simone tribute; but then I also thought Mattinson was already there under my sceanario and underused. He is a great vocalist; one thing I miss since Tedeschi Trucks formed was that Mattison is mostly just a backing vocalist now. He provided great lead vocals for Derek Trucks Band. And I thought his voice would work well on a Simone tune and it would be interesting to demonstrate that her impact went far beyond following black women singers - she influenced performers of multiple ethnicities and many differing genres of music; so my tribute is designed to underline that fact.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 15:04pm


Shrek,

Thank you for your response. Although I do agree that Journey does show some influence by The Moody Blues, Rush would have several reasons to induct The Moody Blues:

1. Rush had always aspired to be the world’s smallest symphony orchestra; this is their most direct Moody Blues link.
2. Rush does also have that tendency towards philiosophical lyrics.
3. Personally, I think fan bases of both Rush and The Moody Blues would love to see the members of both bands play together in Cleveland.
4. The Rock Hall and HBO likes to choose an artist who will sell tickets. Rush sells tickets; Rush fans will pay outrageous prices for tickets,
5. Cleveland was also the city where Rush had broken into the American market and had been discovered by WMMS program director, Donna Harper.
6. Rush had filmed one of their major last concerts in Cleveland: Time Machine Tour: Live In Cleveland (2011).
7. The Rush fans in Cleveland have been extremely disappointed that they did not stop in Cleveland.


Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 16:07pm


Shrek,

Thank you for your response. Although I do agree that Journey does show some influence by The Moody Blues, Rush would have several reasons to induct The Moody Blues:

1. Rush had always aspired to be the world’s smallest symphony orchestra; this is their most direct Moody Blues link.
2. Rush does also have that tendency towards philiosophical lyrics.
3. Personally, I think fan bases of both Rush and The Moody Blues would love to see the members of both bands play together in Cleveland.
4. The Rock Hall and HBO likes to choose an artist who will sell tickets. Rush sells tickets; Rush fans will pay outrageous prices for tickets, even over $1.5K to see them in concert.
5. Cleveland was also the city where Rush had broken into the American market and had been discovered by WMMS program director, Donna Harper.
6. Rush had filmed one of their major last concerts in Cleveland: Time Machine Tour: Live In Cleveland (2011).
7. The Rush fans in Cleveland have been extremely disappointed that they did not stop in Cleveland.
8. Rush just seems like the most natural fit. The members of Rush were hugely influenced by British prog artists.
9. The Moody Blues four year long hiatus had opened the door for Rush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 16:12pm


Shrek,

Although I do agree that Roxy Music does have an impressive resume, I think that most American fans are only familiar with ‘Love Is A Drug’ and their final brilliant masterpiece, “Avalon.”

On the other hand, even though Duran Duran may be British, they are extremely well known and loved in the U.S. Bassist John Taylor lives in California and Simon Le Bon and Nick Rhodes have made frequent visits to the U.S., especially New York City. Plus, it was in the American market where Duran Duran had first achieved major success.
I think with this year’s nominations of Eurythmics and Depeche
Mode and the upcoming induction of The Cars, the MTV barrier has been crossed. Chances are that if Duran Duran happen to receive a nomination in October, 2018 then they will be inducted into the Rock Hall in April, 2019.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 16:27pm


Just thought I'd catch up on this thread since its been a crazy week! I was going to do a write-up on the acts that didn't get in but we're on the ballot- turns out most of you took the words out of my mouth. I'll just go ahead and do a little commentary of my own:

I'm surprised a lot of people are shocked about the Eurythmics. I really didn't see them getting in on first try. Maybe a year or two from now. Sadly for Kate Bush, she may be a one-time wonder like all the other 80s acts that have appeared on the ballot, until the "right time" comes. I have a feeling once Kraftwerk finally gets in, this will definitely open the door for several 80s pop/new wave/MTV acts. Don't worry about Tom Morello's favorites, MC5 and Judas Priest...they'll be around as long as he's on the NomCom. The Meters may have to be a backdoor induction sometime down the road, because I don't know what it will take to get them in. Same for Link Wray. I know I've said this before, but I honestly don't know what the whole big deal is with Rufus/Chaka Khan. I just think several people in that genre deserve it more than her (Diana Ross (solo), Patti LaBelle, you get the idea). And lastly, I hope the Zombies will get in; that goes for several other ignored 60s groups. If all else fails for the Zombies, maybe a back-door induction for just Rod Argent. I know you all will hate me for that.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 17:59pm


As for next year, I so can't wait to do another ballot of 19 acts. Except this one will be hard because there's a lot of deserving first-time eligible acts that may appear. From Beck to Sheryl Crow, there was something special about 1993. That and 1994 were two of my favorite years in music as I was growing up.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 18:02pm


My early predictions for next years nominees:
1. Rage Against The Machine
2. Radiohead
3. Depeche Mode
4. Judas Preist
5. MC5
6. Beck
7. OutKast
8. Kraftwerk
9. Janet Jackson
10. The Spinners
11. Gram Parsons
12. War
13. The Smiths
14. Soundgarden
15. Roxy Music
16. Kate Bush
17. Emerson Lake and Palmer
18. Def Leppard
19. LL Cool J
20. The Meters

Posted by Evan on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 18:45pm


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Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 18:58pm


So, considering Radiohead (and to a lesser extent RATM) couldn't live up to their alleged shoo-in reputation, do we expect Beck to have better luck and reception among voters next year?

Posted by Paul K. on Sunday, 12.17.17 @ 23:59pm


Remember the question:
Can you tell the story of Rock and Roll without them?

Of the list, the only one I say the answer is "Yes" to is Dire Straits.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12.18.17 @ 02:11am


Shrek,

Thank you for your response. Although I do agree that Journey does show some influence by The Moody Blues, Rush would have several reasons to induct The Moody Blues:

1. Rush had always aspired to be the world’s smallest symphony orchestra; this is their most direct Moody Blues link.
2. Rush does also have that tendency towards philiosophical lyrics.
3. Personally, I think fan bases of both Rush and The Moody Blues would love to see the members of both bands play together in Cleveland.
4. The Rock Hall and HBO likes to choose an artist who will sell tickets. Rush sells tickets; Rush fans will pay outrageous prices for tickets, even over $1.5K to see them in concert.
5. Cleveland was also the city where Rush had broken into the American market and had been discovered by WMMS program director, Donna Halper.
6. Rush had filmed one of their major last concerts in Cleveland: Time Machine Tour: Live In Cleveland (2011).
7. The Rush fans in Cleveland have been extremely disappointed that they did not stop in Cleveland.
8. Rush just seems like the most natural fit. The members of Rush were hugely influenced by British prog artists.
9. The Moody Blues four year long hiatus had opened the door for Rush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.18.17 @ 05:58am


Enig,

Always good to chat with you on here. We finally got our Wish for the Moody Blues to be inducted. Now I just want to know if any members of the famous Orchestral lineup have died. A friend that a pre Justin H member died. But what about the famous line up that created Days of FP and In Search of the Lost Chord. Get back to me. Most of them are certainly alive and well.

It is a very good question about who will induct the Moody Blues. I do NOT think it will be Journey. I like Journey but I have never associated them with immense influence by the Moody Blues. In thinking about it now I do agree also that they show some influence. Now Rush show tremendous influence by the Moody Blues. There is however others even more likely to likely to induct the Moody Blues. The members of Yes are very likely to induct the Moody Blues! Yes like Journey were inducted last year. There is also Ian Anderson that is veryy likely. Others to consider are Robert Fripp,Pink Floyd and members of Porcupine Tree. I think it may be someone from the era.

This has happened many times. I will remind everyone that the Grateful Dead inducted Jefferson Airplane and Bruce Springsteen inducted Jackson Browne. It could be a modern person too.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.18.17 @ 10:02am


Ben,

To answer your question about the members of the Moody Blues, there were 9 official members of the band during in it's entire history. Of those 9 only one member has passed away.

The lineup that is being inducted into the HOF are Justin Hayward, John Lodge, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, and Mike Pinder which is the 5 man lineup during the prime of their career starting with 1967's Days of Future Passed all the way to 1978's Octave. Denny Laine who was the original vocalist, guitarist and de facto front man of the group from 1964-1966 is also being inducted. From 1964-1966 the band included Denny Laine, Mike Pinder, Ray Thomas, and Grame Edge and two bass players, the first being Clint Warwick who is the only Moody Blues member to pass away (he passed away in 2004), and his brief replacement, Rodney Clark. In 1967, Clark and Laine were out of the group and replaced by Justin Hayward and John Lodge thus being the beginning of the prime lineup of the band.

In 1978, Mike Pinder, their long time keyboard player retired from the band and he was replaced by Patrick Moraz who was their keyboard player during their run in the 1980's. He left the band in 1991 and later sued the group over it.

The band remained a 4 piece until 2002 when Ray Thomas retired from the band. The band stayed as a trio to this day along with supporting musicians.


Hope that info helps.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 12.18.17 @ 12:54pm


While on the subject of the Moody Blues, I want to give a shout out to one of my very favorite songs of theirs that doesn't get near the credit it should.

That being "Lunch Break/Peak Hour" off of the Days of Future Passed album. Yes, "Nights in White Satin" and "Tuesday Afternoon" are classics, but "Lunch Break/Peak Hour" (especially the "Peak Hour" part) is absolutely masterful and one of the Moody Blues' most "jamming" tunes.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 12.18.17 @ 12:58pm


While on the subject of the Moody Blues, I want to give a shout out to one of my very favorite songs of theirs that doesn't get near the credit it should.

That being "Lunch Break/Peak Hour" off of the Days of Future Passed album. Yes, "Nights in White Satin" and "Tuesday Afternoon" are classics, but "Lunch Break/Peak Hour" (especially the "Peak Hour" part) is absolutely masterful and one of the Moody Blues' most "jamming" tunes.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 12.18.17 @ 12:58pm


Donnie,

Thanks for the info on Moody Blues. I wasnt sure if anyone in the Moody Blues has died. Everyone in the famous lineup is still alive. Thats cool. I think with all the demand for the Moody Blues the Hall didnt want to blow it this time. After all there has been so many deaths in Rock in the last 2 years. So this way the Moodys are inducted while they are alll alive.

Also they are still active on the concert circuit. The Moody Blues are probably one of the very last groups that will get inducted with a 50+ year career. There is a bunch of other key acts from the 1960's that still need to be inducted but most of them retired or broke up years ago. There are lots of groups with 40+ year careers that were prominent in the 70s still around but I dont there is very many that go back as far as the Moodys to be inducted.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12.18.17 @ 21:09pm


Hello everybody!

It has been nearly a week since the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announced who will be the inductees into their Class of 2018. Since I had been rather busy with work, family, friends and Christmas/Holiday commitments; it had been a while for me to posit my thoughts on this class. Fortunately, I do have some time to discuss this.

First and foremost, the RRHOF declined to induct the J. Geils Band. I personally am pleased with this decision; they were overrated and at no point in their career did they matter. So in turn, Jann Wenner's pet nomination is thankfully put aside, at least for now.

Now, onto the 6 inductees. I do not have any complaints about who got in this year. My only regret is Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Benjamin Orr of The Cars, and Nina Simone never did get to see the day they would be going in the RRHOF. None the less, it is an impressive class.

Sister Rosetta Tharpe was in many ways the first important female rock star, and the first important religious-to-secular crossover artist. Nearly every important artist and group in the rock idiom can trace their influence in some form or another back to Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Plus she was an impressive songwriter and electric guitarist which was a rarity at the time.

Bon Jovi are a solid, consistent fan favorite. It has amazed me that Bon Jovi has managed to last this long, shifting from hair metal to arena rock to what I suppose has been a more roots rock oriented style in recent years. Jon Bon Jovi himself has become a highly regarded philanthropist, particularly in the US Northeast.

Nina Simone was a unique artist, nominally in the jazz idiom. Yet Ms. Simone, in her capacity as a songwriter, singer and pianist, was possibly the best in her time that could emote the travails and occasional accomplishments of being an African-American woman in her life.

The Cars are a personal favorite of mine. They infused punk, new wave, power pop and later on synth pop that was instantly identifiable and quite catchy. Not many bands can claim to have at least two albums which were both artistic statements and defined specific eras of the band. A great act that bridge the album and video eras in rock history.

Dire Straits are finally inducted. Mark Knopfler is to this day one of the best songwriters in his field, and a great guitarist who has a distinctive voice. What made Dire Straits excellent I believe were the lyrics Knopfler and John Ilsley conjured up, telling stories that are unique in approach and craft.

The Moody Blues are progressive rock's early pioneers. Hearing any album of theirs, in particular the core seven of 1967-1972, is akin to going on a sonic journey that leaves you feeling different and fulfilled. Justin Hayward has one of the best voices and personalities in pop music over the past half century.

Of course, there is a lot to complain about. Not inducting Radiohead or Rage Against The Machine right off the bat is a glaring omission which I hope is corrected. Same goes for LL Cool J and The Eurythmics and Kate Bush and Link Wray getting snubbed. Never the less, it could have been a worse situation. In that the J. Geils Band could have gotten in and would not have deserved it.

In short, my sincerest welcome to these artists upon now becoming members of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This is an important honor, one that I think eclipses other honors in the music industry these artists might have or will later receive.

Happy Holidays to all!,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Monday, 12.18.17 @ 22:16pm


Hi Richie, if that's the ballot, I'd say:

Judas Priest (fan ballot winner)
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Rage Against The Machine
The Spinners

And *maybe* The Smiths as pick #6.

Tough group to predict! Removing classic rockers- or most of them anyway- shakes this up. My guess is Outkast and LL Cool J take votes away from one another, Radiohead remains in the doghouse, and Beck fails to catch fire. Still, it's hard to imagine any bad class coming from this group, although I emphatically do not think Def Leppard is hall-worthy.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Tuesday, 12.19.17 @ 08:20am


Happy Holidays to you, Lax!

Pretty sure Radiohead & RATM will get in soon enough.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12.19.17 @ 09:44am


"Remember the question: Can you tell the story of Rock and Roll without them?"

Follower, I think you can easily tell the story of Rock and Roll without ever uttering the words "Bon Jovi."

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 12.19.17 @ 09:58am


richie

I took your choices from both scenarios, included all those I felt were totally worthy and made a 21 piece ballot for the 2019 ballot. Take your 8 picks.

Beck
Depeche Mode - Induct
Gram Parsons
Janet Jackson - Induct
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk - Induct
The Marvelettes - Induct
MC5
The Meters
Nine Inch Nails
Outkast - Induct
Radiohead - Induct
Rage Against the Machine
Roxy Music - Induct
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners - Induct
War
Warren Zevon

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 12.20.17 @ 06:09am


As Nicky Joe did, here's my 8 inductees from the 21 mentioned above:

Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
The Marvalettes
Outkast
RATM
The Smiths
The Spinners
War

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12.20.17 @ 07:02am


I am from BRazil and here the cars have never made much sucess only with Drive that was one the 50 most played songs in Brazil in 1984.Dire Straits it is a great band,the only rock album my mother has haha.Never heard about the moody blues.Nina simone is a great singer and even that she didn't sang rock a lot of of other inductees hasn't,like miled davis and stevie wonder.livin on a prayer was the most played song here in brazil in 86 and they say rosetta created rock n roll so she should be in a long time ago

Posted by Mateus Pontes on Thursday, 12.21.17 @ 03:15am


My early predictions for next year's nominees:

I've made a slight change in my early predictions for next year's nominees I've taken out OutKast from my list because I think they would split votes with LL Cool J and I won't be replacing OutKast with anyone so without further adieu here's my revised list of My early predictions for next year's nominees:

Beck
Kate Bush
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
Emerson Lake & Palmer
Janet Jackson
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
MC5
The Meters
Gram Parsons
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Roxy Music
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners
War

after three straight years of Classic Rock dominance I think there'll be some Classic Rock fatigue next year, there'll be a few nominated (like a second consecutive nomination for Judas Priest as well as first-time nominations for Def Leppard and Emerson Lake & Palmer). but not as many as the last three years so I think they'll focus on other genres that have been overlooked like R&B/Soul, (I'm predicting a third nomination for Janet Jackson as well as fourth nominations for The Spinners and War and a fifth nomination and second consecutive for The Meters). Punk, (a fourth nomination and third consecutive for MC5 and a first-time nomination for Roxy Music). Alternative/Electronic, (second consecutive nominations for Radiohead and Rage Against The Machine a third consecutive for Depeche Mode a third for The Smiths a fifth for Kraftwerk and first-time nominations for Soundgarden and the newly eligible Beck). Hip-Hop/Rap, (a fifth nomination and second consecutive for LL Cool J). and Singer-Songwriters, (a second consecutive nomination for Kate Bush and a fourth for Gram Parsons).

if that's the ballot we get for next year then who do you guys see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12.21.17 @ 14:07pm


richie (and Sheri)

It's been eight days since the inductees were announced, and you've already posted prediction lists for next year's nominees eleven times. That's more than once per day. You need to dial it back. Big time. I think I speak for the majority of the regulars here when I say we're not gonna remain tolerant/pleasant about this if this is gonna continue the whole year long.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.21.17 @ 22:11pm


I am not making any Early predictions for next year's nominees. I will at least wait until 2018. I am happy to say that the Moody Blues will NOT be on that list for the first time basically. Thats all I have to say about that.

Congrats to the great Moody Blues on their long awaited induction. There are no quarrels within this Classic group. Now I want to be clear that despite my great love for the Moody Blues I dont think they will headline. The tradition is for the most popular act of that Class to Headline. It is debateable if Cheap Trick was the most popular for 2016. I think the Hall felt that Cheap Trick were popular with no quarrels. There was some quarreling in Deep Purple and Chicago. Pearl Jam was clearly the most popular last year. I am NOT the biggest fan but they were the most popular name overall even though I would have preferred that Yes had headlined. The Hall is accepting prog Now but lets NOT expect too much from them.

This year I expect Bon Jovi. They are the most popular overall. The biggest crowd pleaser. Like Yes I expect the Moody Blues to have a spot somewhere in the middle.

I tbink tbe Dire Straits will open or there will be a tribute to Tom Petty to open. What is everybody's thoughts on the order of acts for the ceremony in April. This is a cool discussion.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12.22.17 @ 09:25am


Ben

There is no question that Chicago was the most popular group of 2016. The problem was that the anti Chicago and anti Peter Cetera group was active on the internet muddying the waters.

The Brainiacs at the hall still refuse to admit their stupidity and still define Chicago as a jazz rock fusion band. They were an ECLECTIC ROCK FUSION BAND. I really wish people on here would stop reinforcing the jazz fusion bs.

It was stated that if Peter Cetera would be there that Chicago would get the jam. Notice that somebody really went out of their way to see that Peter Cetera didn't show up. Didn't they??????

It all goes back to PC saying he uses RS to wipe his dupa when he takes a dump.

Journey is more popular than Pearl Jam. There is no question about this. The hall was just pandering to the kids. Do you really think that if Steve Perry sang that Journey would have got the jam? They were idiots for not having Feeling That Way/Anytime. Very important for the 2 part song.

Which brings up what they had Chicago play and what they should have played. should have been

Ballet for a Girl in Buchannon - have Marty Grebb do Terry's part. Only one that came close to what Terry did.

Feeling Stronger Everyday

Take Me Back to Chicago - have Chaka Khan sing the preach section like she did on the record. Good idea if you really are trying to get Rufus inducted.

end Jam 25 or 6 to 4


For the record, anybody with a good math grounding especially in stats or business accounting who was paying attention knows Chicago wasn't the controversy.

Now to bring home the point that push ahead inductions are not as important as the should have been inducted a long time ago.

Since we are talking about a bunch of Cubbies here I will use that to prove my point. Yes members of Chicago and Cheap Trick and Jonathan Cain of Journey and Eddie Vedder are all Cubbies. Bet you didn't know that.

in 2008 Eddie Vedder wrote a song for the Cubs Go All The Way. Billy Corigan, another Cubbie accused him of jinxing the Cubs. Now last year when the Cubs won the World Series did they play Eddie Vedder's song since he showed up? NO!!!
They played Steve Goodman's Go Cubs Go over and over and over again.

By the way just a reminder - When Jimmy Buffett, yes another Cubbie, played in Chicago, Huey Lewis opened for him. By the way Jimmy Buffett opened with Go Cubs Go. Okay he was playing in Wrigley Field, but he did also play another Steve Goodman song.

I don't know but maybe the real question should be when are they going to make Sox fans happy and nominate Styx and REO.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 12.22.17 @ 11:48am


Zuzu,

I haven't comment on any posts for awhile. It is absolutely true that Chicago was the popular group of 2016. I wrote my post in a confusing manner. I said the Hall felt that Cheap Trick were popular with no quarrels. I should have written that differently. I simply meant that Cheap Trick were having no quarrels. There was some quarreling in Deep Purple and Chicago. There was the quarrel between Peter Cetera and Chicago. And like you said there was the feud between the Anti Chicago group and the Anti Peter Cetera group. It is a fact that if Peter Cetera had been there they would have headlined.

I will rephrase that traditionally the headliner is the act that the Hall feels will give the best Jam. The Hall has tended to make the Headliner an act where almost all of the famous lineup is there. So foolishly they chose Cheap Trick as the headliner.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12.22.17 @ 12:47pm


Ben

Thanks for clarifying what you meant. I didn't mean to jump on you personally.

It is mainly my frustration with trying to get people to see that any of the artist out of the Chicago area from the mid 60's to the mid 80's were already highly influential before they came on the national scene because of the number of artist from the area. Everybody knew everybody. Some even before they started performing locally. Many of them lived very close to each other.

First off Chicago and Journey should have been first year eligible inductions. The fact that they took this long is complete bs. Chicago may have been tight because of the 60s backlog at that point, But guess what? That would have been a ballot that was actually worthy of having 8, 9 or even 10 artist inducted. If they had done it right instead of their garbage dump ballots.

If they had wanted to Peter Cetera would have been their. Instead the hall blatantly and shamelessly fueled a division that was obviously brought about largely due to guilt several members felt over Terry Kath's death. If you know anybody that died under unexpected circumstances you would know that you blame the person that died, you blame yourself and you blame others. It's a large part of the grief process and coming to terms with a death.

It boiled down to Peter Cetera not trusting them. James Vincent, who was in the Exceptions with Peter Cetera said that when they were playing at the clubs and a celebrity would come up to sing on stage that they didn't like that they would play in a different key to make them sound bad. Remember those back and forths about key. Sounds very much to me that Bobby and company were out right telling Peter that if he showed up they intended to f him up by playing in a key that would make him sound bad. You really think the hall couldn't stop that nonsense?

Basically the hall is trying to appeal to Gen-ex. This is going to come back and bite them with younger Millennials who would be better enticed with Country and Folk and mid rock or soft rock.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 12.22.17 @ 14:07pm


I'd like to see Radiohead, Roxy Music, Joy Division, Björk, Chìc, Janet Jackson, The Spinners and Patsy Cline be inducted next year.



Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 12.22.17 @ 16:13pm


So getting back to the 2018 ceremony. I feel that Bon Jovi will be the headliner. I love the Moody Blues much more. I have made it clear that I am a huge fan. I certainly would want the Moody Blues to headline but I doubt the Hall would agree with that. I see the Hall picking Bon Jovi as the headliner. There is after all a focus on the 80s this year. There are not gearing to kids with any inductees this year. The average Bon Jovi fan is 45-50 years old. That is very close to my age.

Personally I like a bunch of their hits. I own their Gr. Hits.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12.22.17 @ 18:41pm


As far as Bon Jovi I own Crossroad. It is a Gr Hits cd. So I do like a bunch of Tunes from Bon Jovi. The old 80s hits. I am huge fan with their albums. They were one of the most successful Hard rock acts of the 80s.They had a wider appeal than other Hard Rock acts.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12.23.17 @ 14:06pm


As far as Bon Jovi I own Crossroad. It is a Gr Hits cd. So I do like a bunch of Tunes from Bon Jovi. The old 80s hits. I am huge fan with their albums. They were one of the most successful Hard rock acts of the 80s.They had a wider appeal than other Hard Rock acts.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12.23.17 @ 14:06pm


Major correction. I AM NOT a huge fan with their albums. I think I owned one once. Soo NOT a huge fan but Bon Jovi is certainly OK. The Moody Blues are great. People like me, Sue and Enig love them but I do admit that they dont have completely wide appeal which the Hall tends to pick as a Headliner.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12.23.17 @ 14:40pm


Ben,

I do not own any Bon Jovi albums. They had been nominated previously in 2011, therefore their previous nomination may have something to do with the order of induction. Didn’t Journey win the fan vote this year? Yet, they did not headline; Pearl Jam did. The Moody Blues had never been nominated previously, yet they had garnered nearly 950,000 votes. It is possible that The Moody Blues will co-headline the ceremony, as well. If I were to venture to guess what would be the order of induction, it might look like this.

The Cars
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Dire Straits
Nina Simone
The Moody Blues
Bon Jovi

Of course, here is another possibility:

Dire Straits
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Nina Simone
The Cars
Bon Jovi
The Moody Blues

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.23.17 @ 15:46pm


Ben,

I do not own any Bon Jovi albums. They had been nominated previously in 2011, therefore their previous nomination may have something to do with the order of induction. Didn’t Journey win the fan vote this year? Yet, they did not headline; Pearl Jam did. The Moody Blues had never been nominated previously, yet they had garnered nearly 950,000 votes. It is possible that The Moody Blues will co-headline the ceremony, as well. If I were to venture to guess what would be the order of induction, it might look like this.

The Cars
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Dire Straits
Nina Simone
The Moody Blues
Bon Jovi

Of course, here is another possibility:

Dire Straits
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Nina Simone
The Cars
Bon Jovi
The Moody Blues

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.23.17 @ 15:46pm


Enig,

That line up with Moody Blues followed by Bon Jovi is veryy possible. The 2 most popular inductees back to back. This has happened before quite a bit. In 2010 there was Genesis followed by the Hollies. In 2013 Heart was followed by Rush.

What happened with Yes? Yes were NOT right before Pearl Jam. Journey was right before Pearl Jam I recall. I will check that. But I know Yes was in the middle

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12.23.17 @ 16:21pm


Enig,

I remember now. It was the Lenny Kravitz Prince tribute Followed by Pearl Jam. Yes was in the middle somewhere. However, the Moody Blues omission has been a complaint even longer than Yes I think. The demand has been intense so they could co headline. I am willing to say that Bon Jovi is the most popular overall this year.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12.23.17 @ 17:50pm


"I'd like to see Radiohead, Roxy Music, Joy Division, Björk, Chìc, Janet Jackson, The Spinners and Patsy Cline be inducted next year." -Nicky Joe

Yeah, that class would be a definite breath of fresh air. But, I'm predicting that we end up with something closer to Air Supply, Toto, Winger, Pat Benatar and Spinal Tap.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 12.23.17 @ 23:39pm


Enig,
What is your theory about Why Yes performed in the middle of the 2017 Ceremony? I want to see if its the same as mine. Pearl Jam headlined. Overall its hard compete with Pearl Jam. A very famous 90s act.

Im trying to think of what could be different with the Moodys this year. I think maybe they have slightly wider appeal than Yes. I love both. Lots of others dont love both but Love Moodys. Let me know.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 10:12am


Ben,

I honestly have no idea why Yes was the third inductee during the 2017 Rock Hall ceremony. I could only venture to guess that It may have something to do with the number of nominations that Yes had received, prior to their induction.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 11:02am


LOL

Air Supply, Winger and Spinal Tap don't stand a chance in hell and Totos chances are paper thin. Only Pat Benatar stands a reasonable chance at induction.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 12:53pm


I think that what they could do to salvage the Rock Hall and make it respectable would be to start with firing the entire voting committee. Some of them would get their jobs back, some wouldn't. If people wanted to be voters they'd have to pass a test, submit votes on a couple sample ballots and submit an inductee wishlist. If they could demonstrate knowledge, acceptance and understanding of a wide range of eras, styles and subgenres, from the pioneers to the newly eligibles, they could get their jobs back. I'd also look outside the major label/major publication circle jerk for voting talent. There are lesser known writers for local weeklies and websites, lifers in the retail and distribution end of the industry and members of the Rock Hall watcher and music history online communities that are far more broadly knowledgeable that some of the major publication writers that are voting now. I'd make a point to have a significant bloc of international voters (and my one change to the mostly decent NomComm would be to add a few more British and European voices) and make sure that there would be large segments of the committee who demonstrated knowledge and acceptance of areas such as R&B, Rap/Hip Hop, Alternative, Metal and Electronic. Being inducted would no longer bring with it automatic voting membership. Inductees who wanted to vote would go through the same application and testing process as anybody else to eliminate the current cronyism and glut of older, out of touch voters who have no knowledge or understanding of very literally half of the eligible timeline. There would be a minimum of six artist inductees every year and two from side categories. The fan ballot could stay as is, but if they are in any way manipulating the final class based on the fan ballot results, that would end. Also, if they are bumping inductees for failing to kiss the Rock Hall's ring, that would end, too. The Rock Hall has the entire world of potential voting talent to choose from, there's no excuse for them getting smoked by obscure hobbyist websites.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 14:25pm


I'd make a point to have a significant bloc of international voters (and my one change to the mostly decent NomComm would be to add a few more British and European voices) and make sure that there would be large segments of the committee who demonstrated knowledge and acceptance of areas such as R&B, Rap/Hip Hop, Alternative, Metal and Electronic.

This is the Rock and Roll hall of fame

It is not the music of Gen-ex hall of fame.

The need to fix up their mistakes and make amends.

The need to tell the actual story of rock and roll and not this bs version.

What you are endorsing only makes it worse.

Remember Rock and Roll is the music of the Boomer Generation!!!!!!




Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 15:11pm


LOL. Now why am I not surprised that one of the head cheerleaders of the out of touch crowd would have a problem with that suggestion.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 17:14pm


This was my idea for the nominating committee:

1. Remove all record company executives.

2. Make it so that there's no more than one member from any organization - magazine, band, etc.

3. Keep it at an even 30 permanent members.

4. Each member would sit out every third year, putting 20 permanent members on the committee any given year.

5. Bring in 10 temporary members each year. A temporary member cannot serve on the committee more than once in a five year period.

Another idea I thought about: Add a suggestion space on the ballot. The artist that receives the most write-in suggestions is automatically added to the ballot the following year.

Posted by dmg on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 17:46pm


Those are actually pretty interesting ideas. I haven't had much problem with the nominating committee since the changes a few years back --I think that any ruts that they've been showing have, at this point been the fault of the Voting Committee--but, 5 or 10 years up the road it could be a totally different story. Having a rotation to keep a fresh perspective and rules to limit professional favoritism would be a solid direction to move in.

I'd also add Robert Hilburn back to the NomCom. The guy has a freakish gift of being able to identify who the truly culturally important artists of each generation are. At age 78 he understands the 90s artists who are becoming eligible better that a lot of people half his age. I'm not sure exactly why he was part of the purge, but he's a valuable voice to have around from what I've seen.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 19:03pm


Darin

The ridicule routine does nothing to win an argument. Interesting that the push ahead crowd tends to use that technique when faced with an opposing point of view.

Out of touch?

So who is responsible for the guitar becoming a lead instrument?

Who is King of the Dusties and why are they important?



You don't mention lack of country artist, folk artist and omg the biggest lack women.



Maybe you need to look at what gripes the ones who actually EARNED the RIGHT to be in the voting body have. The hand picked members of the voting body are the problem along with the nom com. The voting body is not a rubber stamp for garbage dump ballots put out by the nom com.



DMG

You need to add more women to the nom com

One of the big gripes is that the process is not open. Remember the DC5 scandal? You think that is the only time? The nom com needs oversight and they need to be blocked from manipulating the voting process. Who knows how many artist have been inducted instead of somebody else.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 20:05pm


Zuzu,

Rock and roll is Boomer Generation music?
Try again.

The Boomers began in 1945, so they weren't teens when Bill Haley and the Saddlemen (as they were then known) were touring high schools and testing their new sound on the teenagers there to determine its viability and marketability.

Who made the guitar the lead instrument? Elvis deserves a lot of the credit, as does Chuck Berry. And their first fans weren't Boomer who were pre-teens when both broke national. Those first fans were "greatest generation" older siblings of Boomers.

Who is King Of The Dusties?
Answer: NO ONE EFFING CARES! Because NOBODY outside of the greater Chicago metropolitan area uses the word "dusties." They are called oldies, sometimes goldies for pre-rock pop records (also called the Nostalgia format), forgotten 45s and closet classics, but nobody else calls them dusties. Herb Kent is a local icon to Chicagoans only. Period. He belongs in the Radio Hall Of Fame, but not the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. He is not at the same level as Alan Freed, Tom Donahue, or even Wolfman Jack.

So yes, Darin is right with the out of touch label.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 21:00pm


Zuzu,

Rock and roll is Boomer Generation music?
Try again.

The Boomers began in 1945, so they weren't teens when Bill Haley and the Saddlemen (as they were then known) were touring high schools and testing their new sound on the teenagers there to determine its viability and marketability.

Who made the guitar the lead instrument? Elvis deserves a lot of the credit, as does Chuck Berry. And their first fans weren't Boomer who were pre-teens when both broke national. Those first fans were "greatest generation" older siblings of Boomers.

Who is King Of The Dusties?
Answer: NO ONE EFFING CARES! Because NOBODY outside of the greater Chicago metropolitan area uses the word "dusties." They are called oldies, sometimes goldies for pre-rock pop records (also called the Nostalgia format), forgotten 45s and closet classics, but nobody else calls them dusties. Herb Kent is a local icon to Chicagoans only. Period. He belongs in the Radio Hall Of Fame, but not the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. He is not at the same level as Alan Freed, Tom Donahue, or even Wolfman Jack.

So yes, Darin is right with the out of touch label.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 21:00pm


Philip

Again ridicule does not win arguments - it only emphasizes ignorance.

You also need to actually do a little fact checking
about the Boomers and Herb Kent. You so obviously did only a cursory check.

Who is out of touch? Sounds like it is the people who need to ridicule to cover their ignorance.

You also don't know about the lead guitar either.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 22:09pm


Really Zuzu? Because the only ridicule of you specifically that I engaged in was agreeing that "Out of touch" was apt.

Fact: The Baby Boom, aka the Boomer generation is widely accepted as happening between the years 1945 (though '46 might be more appropriate, as the origin point of the Baby Boom is largely credited to the end of WII) through 1965.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 23:45pm


Fact: Bill Haley and his group toured high schools in the early 1950s to test this new sound that they were putting together, and seeing how teenagers, whom they wanted to appeal to, would like it. After discovering that it was a hit with teenagers, as a way to thank the teens, they recorded "Crazy, Man, Crazy," which incorporated two popular slang sayings of teenagers at that time: the labeling of things as "crazy," and the chanting of "Go!" That was in 1953. Anyone who was a teenager at that time, by simple process of mathematics, would have had to have been born between 1935-1940, since there probably weren't many aged 19 in the high school. Any Boomers would have been 8 at the oldest. Rock and roll predates Baby Boomer appeal.

Fact: Chuck Berry broke onto the national scene in 1955. Elvis was charting on the country charts around the same time, and began his domination of the pop charts the following year. Chuck Berry is widely considered the figure "who made the guitar the lead instrument" with his unmistakable sound and lyrics that spoke to the teenage culture, which in '55 still would not have included Baby Boomers. Elvis, to complement Berry's musical foundations, gave the guitar its animal magnetism appeal with his appearances on the Ed Sullivan Show, where he danced and kept singing, which is impossible with an aerophonic instrument, like the saxophone, and EXTREMELY difficult to do with a piano or keyboard. Those are primarily what made the guitar the lead instrument.

Corollary: "Guitar as the lead instrument" is a different statement than "lead guitar," which some have argued began with the Ventures, pioneering the "3 guitars and a drum set" format for bands. That could arguably be said to have begun with Boomers since this would have been 1960 by now, but that's only if you accept the premise. Either way, it still happened before the British Invasion.

Those are the facts that I laid out to you in my previous post... WITHOUT ridiculing you. You have not addressed a single point with any facts of your own. You have deflected by simply accusing me of ridiculing you, which again was AFTER I laid the facts on you, and continuing to assert that I'm ignorant while offering NO facts of evidence of your own. That's not a personal attack. That's just the facts. It is, after all, also a common ploy to cover one's ignorance by laying blanket statements that say nothing while bringing nothing to the table either.

Re: Herb Kent... other than a stamp from the U.S. Postal Service, there's nothing to suggest that he had any cache of his own outside the Chicago market. I don't buy that he launched the career of Smokey or the Temptations. "Motown." Enough said. Curtis Mayfield... also no, the Impressions were a national act before Kent began his career, and Mayfield had his connections in the biz by the time he decided to go solo. Minnie Riperton... even if I bought that one, so what? I don't think she's particularly Hall-worthy either. His reach never really got beyond Chicago, and not out of the state of Illinois. Local legend. Big name in some respects, but not upper tier. It'd be like me saying Ernie Harwell should be in the Baseball Hall Of Fame for all his years of radio announcing for the Detroit Tigers. It doesn't wash. But by all means, if you've got evidence that shows he was ever an important name to people in Los Angeles, New York, St. Louis, etc., enlighten me.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 23:53pm


*WWII

And apologies for the multiple posts. I had it as one long post, and it kept tripping FRL's spam filter, so I had to break it up to find out what the problem was.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.24.17 @ 23:55pm


And it doesn't change the fact that nobody uses the term "Dusties" either. That bit of coinage is entirely irrelevant.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12.25.17 @ 00:01am


Fact: The Baby Boom, aka the Boomer generation is widely accepted as happening between the years 1945 (though '46 might be more appropriate, as the origin point of the Baby Boom is largely credited to the end of WII) through 1965.

wrong one opinion

Baby boomers are the demographic cohort following the Silent Generation. There are no precise dates for when this cohort starts or ends; demographers and researchers typically use starting birth years ranging from the early-to-mid 1940s and ending birth years ranging from 1960 to 1965.

There are various opinions on start and end dates.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12.25.17 @ 00:14am


And it doesn't change the fact that nobody uses the term "Dusties" either. That bit of coinage is entirely irrelevant.

As somebody does use the term dusties this is not a fact but your personal opinion. Your opinions are not fact,

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12.25.17 @ 00:18am


Nevertheless, the widely accepted time frame for Baby Boomers is that it began post-World War II. Seriously, the first search result I found states 1946-1964, with most other results within a year or so on either side of the numbers.

But nice job of copying and pasting directly from Wikipedia.

And you're being purposely obtuse about the term "dusties." The point is, it is not a term of significant consequence in relation to the evolution and perpetuation of rock and roll music. It's not even a term of significant consequence to the broadcast radio industry, of which I have been a part of and can speak to from personal experience. And even if you don't wish to believe me, you can look up the breakdown of radio programming formats. The terms used are "Oldies" and "Nostalgia"... They're not called "Dusties" stations. That term is void outside of the Chicago market.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12.25.17 @ 00:48am


Crazy, Man, Crazy - Beat slang

1955 is officially considered the start of the rock and roll era. Yes I am aware that some try to argue that earlier works should also be considered rock and roll.

I suggest you look up the Carter scratch and Lesley Riddle


You think is only your opinion and not fact. Others say that he did help launch these artist.

facts
Herb Kent

inducted into the Radio & R&B halls of fame

Guiness record for longest running dj 70+ years

The Defender has some quotes from artists

https://chicagodefender.com/2016/10/26/herb-kent-voice-of-black-chicago-passes/

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12.25.17 @ 01:30am


That term is void outside of the Chicago market.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12.25.17 @ 01:33am


That term is void outside of the Chicago market.

Are you sure? I heartradio v103 is continuing the Dusties program in Herb Kent's memory.

By the way Chicago radio has a 250 mile radius and covers 7 states.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12.25.17 @ 01:39am


Nevertheless, the widely accepted time frame for Baby Boomers is that it began post-World War II. Seriously, the first search result I found states 1946-1964, with most other results within a year or so on either side of the numbers.

The point is the years vary. Significant events shape a generation. People generally do not remember events before age 3. This is why years were moved up. It's what you remember that matters not the year of birth.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12.25.17 @ 01:47am


Nevertheless, the widely accepted time frame for Baby Boomers is that it began post-World War II. Seriously, the first search result I found states 1946-1964, with most other results within a year or so on either side of the numbers.

The point is the years vary. Significant events shape a generation. People generally do not remember events before age 3. This is why years were moved up. It's what you remember that matters not the year of birth.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12.25.17 @ 01:47am


First off, there is no "official" start to the rock and roll era. 1955 is widely and handily referred to as the start of the "Rock era" because that's when rock and roll first hit the #1 spot. And actually, that has even been debated. Some have argued that the Crew Cuts' cover of the Chords' "Sh-Boom", it 1954 should be considered the first #1 rock and roll record, as it was a cover of an R&B record. Not to mention both big hit versions of "Shake, Rattle, And Roll" also came out in '54, along with the Crows' "Gee," and maybe also the Spaniels' "Goodnight Sweetheart Goodnight" (that last one may have been '55, going off the top of my head here). So no, 1955 isn't quite so ironclad after all. It doesn't make "Crazy, Man, Crazy" any less rock and roll because it came out in '53. And it doesn't change the fact that they wrote the song that way because it's what they heard the teenagers saying in the schools they were performing at. Maybe the teens got it from beat culture, but Haley and his band got it from the teens. You are trying to dance around the facts surrounding that song, but it won't work.

And even if WGN and other Chicago radio stations can be heard in such a wide circle, it doesn't make the Chicago market all 7 of those states. Put bluntly, you are overstating the importance of Chicago radio, and Chicago itself in the evolution of rock and roll.

And the fact that the show is called the Dusties show in honor of Kent should tell you exactly how small time it is. The term isn't used in any other capacity anymore except to refer to the man. You're talking about a word that did not spread beyond the Chicago market (even if the broadcast signals can reach so far), did not become a significant part of the lexicon that helped evolve and perpetuate rock and roll, and is now inextricably tied to the one man who first coined the term. It's Kent's catchphrase, you might say. It's his, and only his, and whenever it's used by anyone else, it's only as a tribute to him, and really not so much to describe the music he played. That music is called "oldies" now, Zuzu. That's a radio industry term to describe an actual format. Not "dusties." "Oldies." You may as well accept that, because that is a fact. That's not my opinion.

And yes, significant events shape a generation... in this case, the end of WWII, and the return of the soldiers from Europe and Asia led to the creation of all those babies. The end of WWII is the event that most social scientists agree kicked off the baby boom. I seriously wonder how you are even in denial of this.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12.25.17 @ 02:45am


So glad the Moody Blues are in this year. So deserving for so very long. We all have our favorite bands for various reasons but how about Crowded House and the great 60's band Spirit(who should get in for no other reason than the album "12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus").

Posted by Tom Twardowski on Wednesday, 12.27.17 @ 01:49am


Yes indeed so many of us like me also are glad that the Moody Blues are in this year. They have been so deserving for so long. Crowded House are possible some day.I would not expect them in that soon. A nomination is possible in a couple years. Spirit is a band I like but I dont know of they would ever get inducted. Not every good act does.

Some others I expect in the near future are Duran Duran, Cindi Lauper,The Replacements, Jethro Tull and Steppenwolf.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12.28.17 @ 10:21am


Enig,

I was looking at your prediction list for the 2019 Nominees. One of them anyway. I agree that Procol Harum, Duran Duran, Jethro Tull, Sade and Sting are some of your choices I agree with. Also I agree with Tina Turner among others.

Now that the Moody Blues are finally inducted I think both Procol Harum and Jethro Tull are very fine prog choices. I am still NOT posting any list of my own 2019 nominees.

I do want to say also that some members of Yes can very possibly induct the Moody Blues. I am surprised you haven't considered that. It would make sense that members of another prog group would induct the Moodys. It doesn't have to be Rush.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12.29.17 @ 13:33pm


Ben,

Although I would not object to various members of Yes having the privilege of inducting The Moody Blues into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, I think that Rush would definitely be a better fit. If we happen to regard Electric Light Orchestra as the sons of The Beatles, then in my honest opinion, Rush are certainly the sons of The Moody Blues.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.30.17 @ 01:11am


Enig,

I see what you are saying. I know that you are huge Rush fan. They are your favorite band. I don't know Rush the way you do. I only own Rush Gold. I don't hear the Moody Blues influence too much in their hit tracks. I know lots of their popular tunes like Temple of Syrinx, Closer to the Heart, Spirit of Radio, Freewill, Tom Sawyer, Red Barchetta and Subdivisions. I know long tracks like Xanadu. That one shows a great deal of influence from the Moody Blues. I owned 2112 over 30 years ago. I recall a lot of Moody Blues influence on the 2112 album. I know you can elaborate on this.

I know Yes much better. That's why I thought perhaps Yes could induct the Moody Blues. It could also be Ian Anderson of the great Jethro Tull. Others like Robert Fripp come to mind. I know you may respond to this. Please do.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12.30.17 @ 15:57pm


Ben,



I would strongly suggest that you purchase a copy of Rush’s two greatest live recordings: “Exit... Stage Left” and “Clockwork Angels Tour.” Then consider purchasing the following studio albums: “Roll The Bones,” “Presto,” “Power Windows,” “Clockwork Angels,” “Snakes & Arrows,” “Test For Echo,” “Hold Your Fire” and “Counterparts.” Also, I think that after you have done so, then you may enjoy such masterpieces as: ‘Dreamline,’ ‘Ghost Of A Chance,’ ‘Available Light,’ ‘The Garden,’ ‘Mystic Rhythms,’ ‘Jacob’s Ladder,’ ‘The Camera Eye,’ ‘Losing It,’ ‘Faithless,’ ‘Time & Motion,’ ‘Prime Mover’ and ‘Nobody’s Hero,’ to name but a few.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.31.17 @ 00:26am


Enig,

I will look into at least a few of those. I have heard of the titles Roll the Bones,Presto and Power Windows. I only know the tune Big Money on Power Windows. I know the known tracks from Hold Your Fire. I think I need to hear the albums to hear the influence of the Moody Blues. My overall knowledge of Rush is limited to Rush Gold for the most part.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12.31.17 @ 07:39am


Ben,

If you are only interested in purchasing Rush compilations, may I then suggest “Retrospective III?”

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.31.17 @ 14:49pm


I was reading a great article by Donnie on his blog. I figure the same Donnie on here. I think the article says it all. I agree with a lot of it. I am not going to repeat most of the article. I will say that I love Classic Rock. We have called it that for decades. Rock from the 60s and 70s and some 80s. I do like quite a bit of 80s as well. That area has been ignored a lot until very recently.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01.3.18 @ 12:16pm


So I will elaborate a little. For roughly the first 15 years of the Rock Hall there was very little controversy. The classes were right on the money. It is hard to make mistakes when each year you have the Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who, Ike and Tina Turner, Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Led Zeppelin, Allman Brothers Band and Crosby, Stills and Nash being inducted.

By the 2000s like Donnie said things got trickier. New genres were not dealt with as much like punk, heavy metal, electronic, disco, reggae, new wave/synth pop and hip hop were more neglected. Prog certainly was ignored on the basis that critics hated it.

The 80s were completely ignored except for megastars. Those are Michael Jackson, Prince, U2,REM, Metallica and Madonna. The article continues on. Its an article that sums up the dilemma. I love Classic Rock but I dont feel it should lack diversity. Now Journey, The Cars, Dire Straits and Bon Jovi have been inducted. Acts like Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Cindi Lauper, Judas Priest, Def Leppard and many other 80s acts still need to be inducted.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01.4.18 @ 07:51am


Ben

Truth be told, I don't feel like the Hall of Fame would allow for the induction of Cyndi Lauper at this given point or in many years to come.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 01.4.18 @ 09:44am


Nicky Joe,

There are many 80s acts I can see Nominated and inducted. Some others are the Bangles, Aztec Camera, The Smiths, XTC,Joe Jackson and the Alarm. How are those choices?

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01.4.18 @ 10:48am


I think there will be an announcement for additional inductees this year; addendums! Wings! The Belmonts!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01.5.18 @ 20:56pm


Gonna plug the blog here. Inviting you all to take a trip through the massive undertaking I did and keep doing.

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2018/01/say-it-with-song-great-playlist.html

Posted by Philip on Friday, 01.5.18 @ 23:37pm


2018 Inductees ranking in "rock rankings" on this site:

The Cars 129
The Moody Blues 141
Dire Straits 161
Bon Jovi 254
Nina Simone 11 (on influences list)
Sister Rosetta Tharpe 9 (on influences pre-rock era list)

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 01.6.18 @ 16:04pm


The Hall of Very Good just announced their inaugural class:

BTO
The Commodores
Devo
The Doobie Brothers
Foreigner
Johnny Rivers
Peter, Paul, and Mary
Three Dog Night
Tommy James and the Shondells

Congrats to all!!!

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 01.9.18 @ 22:25pm


Howard Stern could be the presenter for both, Bon Jovi and The Moody Blues.

Peter Asher, Smokey Robinson and Robbie Robertson were the last to present for more than one inductee in the same year, but their speeches were collective.

2014: Andrew Loog Oldham, Brian Epstein by Peter Asher

2012: Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd, Glyn Johns by Robbie Robertson

2012: The Blue Caps, The Comets, The Crickets, The Famous Flames, The Midnighters, The Miracles by Smokey Robinson

Howard Stern would give two separate presentations, one for Bon Jovi and one for The Moody Blues.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.17.18 @ 20:28pm


Roy,

I am sorry, but having Howard Stern induct both bands is a really terrible idea, in my honest opinion. PROG needs to induct PROG, or so to speak. The Moody Blues deserve to be inducted by the members of Rush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 01.18.18 @ 01:31am


Yeah I don't see Howard Stern inducting two bands anyway. Anybody that was influenced by The Moody Blues should do it like Rush. If not them how about either Alan Parsons, a member of Pink Floyd, Ian Anderson or Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree?

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 01.18.18 @ 01:49am


So I did read that Howard Stern will induct Bon Jovi. That does make sense. I recall that Howard Stern had Bon Jovi on his show a couple time back in the 80s. It was either the whole band or Jon Bon Jovi.

However, it is a terrible idea to have Howard Stern induct 2 bands. It is reallyy out of place to have The Moody Blues inducted by Howard Stern. I totally agree with Enig on this. Prog needs to induct Prog. They deserve to be inducted by Rush or some other prog act. Ian Anderson and Steve Wilson are some other great choices. I know some tunes by Porcupine Tree.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01.18.18 @ 08:56am


There's a gnawing suspicion I have that Jon wanted Howard Stern to induct Bon Jovi so that he can have Howard, in typical Howard fashion, to spew all the vitriol at the Rock Hall establishment for overlooking Bon Jovi for so long, as well as similar acts, and then the band can go up and act all classy on stage, knowing that everything they REALLY wanted to say has already been said by the King Of Shock Jocks.

And having Howard induct the Moody Blues is an absolutely stupid idea. I don't even know how Roy even got the idea.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 01.18.18 @ 11:46am


Howard Stern said he wanted to give the induction speech for The Moody Blues too!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01.18.18 @ 13:30pm


I'm sure Howard would like to give all induction speeches :-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 01.18.18 @ 15:00pm


It's still a dumb idea. The only Performers they've done that with were the special committee add-ons. They're not gonna do it with the main course.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 01.18.18 @ 15:04pm


It is a dumb idea and it just won't happen. There has never been a presenter for 2 acts in the Performer category. It has happened a whole bunch of times with special categories like Musical excellence.

Also I am sure Howard Stern would love to have inducted Alice Cooper and Cheap Trick. It did NOT happen. Certainly NOT with the Moody Blues. They are a Prog act and would want someone kinda similar to induct them or The Hall itself would choose someone appropriate. The Hall has missed the mark before but this one is too obvious. Bon Jovi makes some sense for Howard Stern. I believe they are friends.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01.19.18 @ 13:16pm


So we have speculated a lot about the presenter for the Moody Blues. Does anyone have thoughts on a presenter for the Dire Straits. I can think of a few. Eric Clapton is a great choice. Would John Mayer be possible? I can't think of others right now.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.20.18 @ 14:04pm


Ben,

In my honest opinion, Sting should induct Dire Straits.

Rush should induct The Moody Blues

Duran Duran should induct The Cars.

By the way, how have you been doing lately?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01.20.18 @ 14:37pm


Ben,

In my honest opinion, Sting should induct Dire Straits.

Rush should induct The Moody Blues

Duran Duran should induct The Cars.

By the way, how have you been doing lately?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01.20.18 @ 14:38pm


Enig,

I am fine these days. Thanks for asking. Ive been busy with work somewhat. I do a lot of Clerical work for my Elderly Dad who cant do that anymore. Its been slower with that lately. I like Blowing off steam
with this site. My time on this site parallels the help for my My Dad. Sooo anyway I am fine.

Soo Sting is a key choice for the Dire Straits that would work well. I mean sang with them on their biggest hit. Who can forget Sting singing I want my MTV. Duran Duran inducting the Cars makes sense. Im sure there other choices.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01.20.18 @ 17:18pm


Sting for Dire Straits
Rivers Cuomo for The Cars
Rush or Steve Wilson for The Moody Blues
Rhiannon Gibbins for Nina Simone
Little Richard for Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 01.20.18 @ 20:22pm


I have really enjoyed the comments about who will induct the bands for the class of 2018. I am not sure about the other groups.
I am a hard core Moody Blues fan. Now that Denny Laine has been included I think Sir Paul McCartney may do the honors. Denny was a member of Wings from start to finish and the Beatles toured with The Moody Blues back in the early days. Other possible presenters may be Ian Anderson and/or members of ELO. Bev is friends with John Lodge and they are all from the same part of the UK and played the same clubs back in the day. There has to be a tribute to Tom Petty so Jeff Lynne will probably be there anyway. I am just not sure about Rush. Who knows? I mean Steve Miller posted that the RRHOF picked. I do not think Howard Stern will do two bands...but remember it is the RRHOF!
I was happy to see that the regulars here are doing well and I send wishes for a very Happy New Year to everyone and Happy Birthday Enig.

Posted by Sue on Sunday, 01.21.18 @ 00:02am


Sue,

I just know Sir Paul M loves the Moody Blues. Bedides the fact that the Moody Blues opened for the Beatles. The Moody Blues early on in their most famous period influenced some of the music on Magical Mystery Tour. Still I dont think Sir Paul will induct them. Ian Anderson and ELO members are more likely choices. I am confused on your Steve Miller reference. Explain that.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.22.18 @ 11:00am


Steve Winwood is more likely to induct the Moody Blues. Mr. Winwood is a living legend and it will assist him in getting a 2nd induction. Prog fans running out of complaints. ELO, Rush, YES, now Moody Blues inducted. Procol Harum should have been inducted before all these bands. They have been overlooked for too long. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 01.22.18 @ 23:34pm


King,

I am pondering about Steve Winwood. Traffic and the Moody Blues certainly co existed in the same era and they are both British. I do think someone British may induct the Moody Blues instead of Rush. However, I think Ian Anderson is one of the most likely. It would assist Jethro Tull in getting an induction. Prog fans are indeed running out of complaints. Jethro Tull have been overlooked too long.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01.23.18 @ 09:51am


I covered my opinion on a presenter for the Moody Blues. I am a huge fan as I have made clear. Now as far as the other inductees. It is common knowledge that Howard Stern will induct Bon Jovi. There is nothing more to add there. It makes sense. I think Duran Duran or Debbie Harry could induct The Cars. Blondie and the Cars were popular at the same time. They were 2 of the first successful new Wave bands. Rivers Cuomo is possible. Weezer were produced by Ric Ocasek I think.

In my opinion either Eric Clapton or Sting are likely for Dire Straits. Now I thinl Elton John is a great choice for Nina Simone. That one can be tricky. Those are all my thoughts on presenters right NOW.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01.26.18 @ 14:11pm


Sue,

I will turn 56 in 8 more days. But thank you for the Happy Birthday wishes, in advance.

Ben,

Thank you for agreeing with my choices of inductors.

Shrek,

I am terribly sorry to hear that your daughter had put you through that sort of ordeal. Your ability to demonstrate patience is extremely noteworthy and is a testament to your virtues. Although I like Janet Jackson’s work as an actress; I find extreme difficulty in appreciating anything that she has done otherwise, especially those lip synching dance routines which I find to be far too physically exhausting. If I had wanted to watch dancing, I would prefer to watch a ballet, or a modern dance troupe, instead.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 01.26.18 @ 18:04pm


The Rock Hall is going to want some way to get younger viewers to watch the show, so I think they'll be approaching younger/more recent artists to do the inductions of the Cars and Nina Simone. Maybe Sister Rosetta too.

Dire Straits seem like they'll have some respected peer of theirs to do their induction, a la Clapton, Collins, or most likely Sting. Moody Blues could get another peer like Steve Winwood.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 01.26.18 @ 20:35pm


UPDATE!

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

21 LIVING WHITE MEN

2 DEAD WHITE MEN

2 DEAD BLACK WOMEN

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01.26.18 @ 20:46pm


Mavis Staples or Bonnie Raitt for Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, Tina Turner, Elton John or Sting for Dire Straits

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01.26.18 @ 20:51pm


The new issue of Rolling Stone magazine with Bono on the cover has a page that talks about the 2018 Rock Hall inductees. The picture they used for the Moody Blues is from their original line-up with Clint Warwick, who isn't being inducted. Justin Hayward, who is being inducted, not pictured.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01.26.18 @ 21:09pm


Steve Z,

I agree that the Rock Hall is going to want some way to get Younger viewers to watch the Show. So I think Rivers Cuomo of Weezer is a possibility as a presenter for the Cars. Weezer was produced or discovered by Ric Ocasek I think. I can think of Mary J. Blige and Jennifer Hudson as possibilities. Actually even Michael Buble is possible even though I dont like him at all. He did A version of Feelin Good.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.29.18 @ 07:58am


Steve Z, Ben,

I don't know how much I buy that theory, to be honest. This class skews pretty heavy towards the Boomers. The Hall may want peers that Boomers want to see on stage with the inductees. Boomers do love to see young people get up and declare their love for their music, as opposed to the music of their generation or even their own. But I don't know that anyone for Weezer would. It's a lovely thought though.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 01.29.18 @ 12:19pm


Philip,

The debut album of Weezer was produced by Ric Ocasek in 1993. Thats why I came up with that. Someone else mentioned Rivers Cuomo as a presenter for the Cars. It can also be someone like Debbie Harry though. The Cars coexisted with Blondie as major acts.

In the case of Nina Simone there is a few younger performers to choose from.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01.29.18 @ 19:05pm


I am pleased with this year's Class especially the Moody Blues. I have been clear that I am a big fan. I am also glad to see Nina Simone and Dire Straits. They are all good.

However, my one criticism is there is still no actual Old R&b. Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes, the Spinners and the Commodores are good choices. The Spinners have been snubbed for sure. I love Classic rock stuff for sure but also Classic R&B. Also other 80s would be good to see.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02.2.18 @ 14:56pm


I assume The Cars will play "Drive" as one of their 3 songs and I wish they wouldn't. Why?
1) Benjamin Orr is dead and can't sing it.
2) It sounds dated and was mid-80's drivel to begin with.
3) Way too many better Cars songs.

Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 02.2.18 @ 19:48pm


Maybe Let The Good Times Roll,Let's Go and Shake It Up.

Posted by Greg Flagg on Friday, 02.2.18 @ 20:51pm


Whose music do you think they will perform in the All-Star Jam?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.5.18 @ 09:21am


https://www.songhall.org/news/view/songwriters_hall_of_fame_announces_2018_inductees

THE 2018 SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Bill Anderson
Steve Dorff
Jermaine Dupri
Alan Jackson
John Mellencamp
Allee Willis
Kool & The Gang

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02.7.18 @ 09:44am


I'm going to ask some questions:

a)I know it's really early but who do you guys see getting nominated and thus being the nominees for the 2019 class?

b)after Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey, and Bon Jovi, who do you guys think will be the next fan vote winner for 2019?

c)out of the nominees who didn't get in this year who do you guys think have the best chance at induction next year?

d)with Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues, all going in the last 3 years which populist Classic Rock acts/bands do you guys think will be nominated next year?

e)I know it's really early but who do you guys see being next year's induction class for 2019?

f)which acts do you guys see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the next five years (2019 2020 2021 2022 and 2023)?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02.8.18 @ 19:42pm


The next FAN VOTE winner will be Foreigner!

THE 2019 INDUCTEES

01. Foreigner
02. The Doobie Brothers
03. Jethro Tull
04. King Crimson
05. Janet Jackson

THE 2020 INDUCTEES

01. Willie Nelson
02. Dionne Warwick
03. The Commodores
04. Kool & The Gang
05. Rage Against The Machine

THE 2021 INDUCTEES

01. Joe Cocker
02. The Spinners
03. Peter, Paul and Mary
04. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
05. Radiohead

THE 2022 INDUCTEES

01. Warren Zevon
02. The Zombies
03. Kate Bush
04. Depeche Mode
05. Soundgarden

THE 2023 INDUCTEES

01. Harry Nilsson
02. Blood, Sweat & Tears
03. Judy Collins
04. Judas Priest
05. Nine Inch Nails

THE 2024 INDUCTEES

01. Mary Wells
02. Chubby Checker
03. The Monkees
04. Jan and Dean
05. Coldplay

THE 2025 INDUCTEES

01. The Marvelettes
02. Gram Parsons
03. Steppenwolf
04. Thin Lizzy
05. Alice In Chains

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02.8.18 @ 21:10pm


Hey Roy,

I love my Classic acts but there is no way that the Classes of the next 5 years will look like that. Some like the Doobie Brothers, Jethro Tull,Janet Jackson,The Commodores, and Emerson, Lake and Palmer have good possibilities in the next few years. But hey there is not enough 80s acts in those predictions. What about Pat Benatar,Duran Duran, Tina Turner, Squeeze, Joe Jackson and Def Leppard. There is a few. There was Journey inducted last year and there is Bon Jovi, The Cars and Dire Straits this year. So I would say an 80s trend would continue in the mix.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02.9.18 @ 14:23pm


My predictions for next year's nominees:

Kate Bush
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
MC5
The Meters
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Link Wray
The Zombies

I'm predicting 16 nominees for next year instead of 19 nominees I'm predicting that all 13 nominees that didn't get in this year will return next year along with Janet Jackson (returning to the ballot after a year off the ballot) and a couple of first-time big populist Classic Rock nominees (Def Leppard, and The Doobie Brothers) I'm predicting that there will be only two first-time nominees for next year along with 14 returning nominees making it a total of 16 nominees for next year.

My predictions for next year's inductees:

Def Leppard (with many of their fellow 70's/80's Classic Rock acts inducted in recent years like Genesis, Alice Cooper, Heart, Rush, Hall & Oates, Kiss, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues they're well-destined to be the next big populist 70's/80's Classic Rock act to get nominated and inducted now along with The Doobie Brothers, plus they're also well-destined to be the next Arena Rock/Hair Metal act to get nominated and inducted now since Journey, and Bon Jovi are in and with the recent populist Classic Rock trend they have a great chance at getting a nomination next year and if they get nominated they will win the fan vote and will receive immediate induction)

The Doobie Brothers (with many of their fellow 70's/80's Classic Rock acts inducted in recent years like Genesis, Alice Cooper, Heart, Rush, Hall & Oates, Kiss, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues they're well-destined to be the next big populist 70's/80's Classic Rock act to get nominated and inducted now along with Def Leppard, and with the recent populist Classic Rock trend they have a great chance at getting a nomination next year and if they get nominated they will finish second in the fan vote and will also receive immediate induction just like Def Leppard)

Eurythmics (strong showing on the fan ballot this year keeps them on the ballot plus they're well-destined to be the next New Wave act to get inducted now since Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, Blondie, and The Cars are in plus they're also well-respected by their peers so they're next year's Cheap Trick, Electric Light Orchestra, and Dire Straits)

Janet Jackson (Token Female Pick, plus she would serve as the headliner/big name draw for the ceremony on HBO and she'll return to the ballot after a one-year absence and she will get inducted on her 3rd try just like Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Deep Purple, Yes, and The Cars did also she's well-destined to be the next big 80's/90's Pop Icon to get inducted now since Michael Jackson, Prince, and Madonna are in)

LL Cool J (next year's ceremony is going to be back in NY so they'll want to induct a hometown hero and a recent Kennedy Center Honoree in his hometown of NY and next year IMO is his last shot for induction because Biggie, Jay-Z, and Eminem, are all going to be eligible the following three years after that (2020, 2021, and 2022) and because of that I think he'll be the only Rap/Hip-Hop act on the ballot for the second year in a row and next year will also mark the 35th anniversary of Def Jam Records (he was the first act signed to the label along with HOFers The Beastie Boys) so I think next year is his year for induction plus he's well-destined to become the 7th Rap/Hip-Hop act to get inducted now since Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, Run-D.M.C, The Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, N.W.A, and Tupac Shakur are in)

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02.11.18 @ 00:33am


richie,

It is good to see you on here. You are a smart guy. Your nominee list is fairly accurate. So is your choices for 2019 Inductees. A lot more realistic than Roy's. You have 4 80's acts on your inductee choices. Now since you are younger you may have overlooked a Singer/songwriter choice. I am 53 so I remember a lot of mellow acts like James Taylor, Carly Simon and Carole King being huge in the 70s. A mellow choice in the annals of music is almost always nominated and often inducted usually a singer/songwriter. I would choose Carole King as the singer/songsriter. Last year it was Joan Baez and this year is Nina Simone. I am going with Carole King as a nominee. So she could then get inducted instead of Janet Jackson.

I could agree with the others. Certainly the Doobie Brothers is very possible. I am agreeing with your Rap choice of LL Cool J. Def Leppard is very likely for sure. It's important to keep in mind a mellow singer/songwriter type. I am Not predicting Inductees right now at all. I never like too get too ahead of ourselves. I would be happy to make a nominee list soon though. I can do that.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02.14.18 @ 09:50am


Ben,

Thank you so much for your kind words it means a lot to me, My Mom is 53 and she totally agrees with Carole King, another name that comes to my mind is Pat Benatar, thanks again and have a great day.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02.14.18 @ 14:40pm


OK, I'll play. I'll predict it will be 19 nominations again; I had predicted this past year that the committee would return to shorter lists, and they didn't. So until they prove otherwise, I'm now predicting that long lists are the new normal.

As of today my guess for the next nomination class is as follows; this tries to take into account the voting biases and trends of the nominating committee, by looking at the spots vacated by this year's inductions, and artists that tend to come and go from the lists - as well as their tendency to throw us some nomination surprises (so I looked for a few "off the normal radar" choices as well):

- A Tribe Called Quest - LL Cool J still got no traction, so I think they may try a rap group this year. I was thinking about suggesting The Roots since they are eligible this year and ?uestlove is on the committee (and as we have seen, the committee doesn't give a damn about any perceptions of conflicts of interest); but with both ATCQ and Wu-Tang Clan yet to have been nominated, I think they'll take precedence, and ATCQ has been waiting longer of those two.

- The B-52's - Basically I'm giving them The Cars previous spot on the list. A band that is commercially popular but also has some alternative music credibility.

- Bad Company - I'm giving them the popular classic rock spot previously held by Dire Straits

- Beck - Eligible for the first time, he is a successful solo songwriter, popular with the 90s alternative crowd, and has some hip hop credibility, so his appeal is fairly wide.

- Pat Benatar - I'm giving her the populist spot vacated by Bon Jovi

- Bjork - She's been technically eligible for a long time based on an album she released as a child; but this year marks 25 years since "Debut" was released, so I think the HOF has been waiting for this to give her consideration. I give her the critically acclaimed female artist spot vacated by Nina Simone

- The Commodores - I'm making them this year's funk nominee in place of The Meters

- Eurythmics - Did well in the fan vote, I think they'll get a second shot this year

- Herbie Hancock - Jazz cat, but he had a huge impact on Rock with his 70s fusion work and a big impact on Hip hop and modern R&B; he's waited forever, I'm giving him Link Wray's spot this year as the oldest/longest eligible artist

- Janet Jackson - I'm predicting the will return to her and pass on Rufus/Chaka Khan this year.

- Joy Division - I'm giving them the underground credibility spot this year and passing on another nomination for MC5

- Judas Priest - Returning for a second straight nomination. I don't think they will do anybody like Motorhead until Preist eventually is inducted

- Love - The Zombies have been passed over multiple times, Procol Harum was not well received as a nominee; they haven't tried Love yet and they check a lot of the same boxes as those two bands do, though without a major hit song that the public knows.

- Nine Inch Nails - I think with Depeche Mode being passed over, they'll do another try with Nine Inch Nails this year

- Radiohead - They got so much shit for Radiohead being passed over by the voters this year, they'll put them up again and hope the voters heard the message.

- Rage Against The Machine - I'm wavering on them getting a second shot; but the committee members obviously like Tom, I think they'll give his band another shot.

- Roxy Music - I'm basically giving them the "scratching my head trying to figure out how they've never been nominated" spot.

- Gil Scott-Heron - I'm giving him the spot that Sister Rosetta Tharpe had last year, since I gave Bjork the Nina Simone spot. Much like the public didn't realize how much Tharpe influenced rock guitar; I don't think that the public understands how much Gil Scott-Heron influenced the development of Rap.

- War - I'm predicting War makes a return and they sit J Geils Band this year.

From that group I would predict that the Fan Vote winner would be Pat Benatar.

And for induction I will guess:
- Pat Benatar
- The Commodores
- Judas Priest
- Radiohead
- Gil Scott-Heron

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02.14.18 @ 18:48pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

I'm going to ask some questions:

a)I know it's really early but who do you guys see getting nominated and thus being the nominees for the 2019 class?

b) after Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey, and Bon Jovi who do you guys think will be the next fan vote winner for 2019?

c)out of the nominees who didn't get in this year who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year?

d)with Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues all going in the last 3 years which populist Classic Rock acts/bands do you guys think will be nominated next year?

e)I know it's really early but who do you guys see being next year's induction class?

f)which acts do you guys see being inducted in the next five years (2019 2020 2021 2022 and 2023)?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02.15.18 @ 01:28am


richie,

Good chatting with yu. I am known for tons if Regular rock acts like Eric Clapton, Moody Blues,Jethro Tull, Gr Dead, Steely Dan, The Who, Talking Heads, Genesis and Yes as well as hundreds of others in Rock. However I do like a bunch of Singer/songwriters like James Taylor, Gordon Lightfoot and Cat Stevens. I like some Carole King. I mainly dig Tapestry. That was a huge album. So after the inductions of James Taylor, Cat Stevens, Joan Baez and Nina Simon Carole King makes sense.

So I just used your pattern of past inductions for Singer/songwriters. Those under 30 dont always think of those very mellow choices. I am glad your Mom is an influence on you. I figure Carole King is logical as the next choice.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02.15.18 @ 08:34am


Ben,

Thank you for your reply back to me I appreciate it very much it means the world to me, and I'm going to ask you some questions:

a)I know it's really early but who do you see getting nominated and thus being the nominees for the 2019 class?

b)after Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey, and Bon Jovi who do you think will be the next fan vote winner for 2019?

c)out of the nominees who didn't get in this year who do you think have the best chances at induction next year?

d)with Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues all going in the last 3 years which populist Classic Rock acts/bands do you think will be nominated next year?

e)I know it's really early but who do you see being next year's induction class?

f)which acts do you see being inducted in the next five years (2019 2020 2021 2022 and 2023)?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02.15.18 @ 18:55pm


richie,

I will answer question a,b and c in the near future. I can answer question d right now. I see Bad Company, Def Leppard, Doobie Brothers and Jethro Tull being nominated next year. Those would be my populist Classic Rock choices. I will not answer questions e and f. I never predict inductees as rule prior to the announcement of the real nominees. That is getting too ahead of myself. I will figure out a nominee list soon.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02.16.18 @ 17:37pm


richie,

My early list of potential 2019 nominees:

Procol Harum
King Crimson
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Sade
Sting
Kate Bush
Carly Simon
Doobie Brothers
Tina Turner
J. Geil’s Band
Eurythmics
Depeche Mode
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
The Spinners
The Meters
The Zombies
Willie Nelson
Garth Brooks
T.L.C.
L.L. Cool J.

b. Duran Duran

c. Eurythmics

d. Jethro Tull and Doobie Brothers

e.

Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Sade
Carly Simon
Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02.17.18 @ 11:52am


Ben,

here's some possibilities for next year's nominees:

1970's/1980's Classic Rock Acts

Bad Company
Def Leppard
The Doobie Brothers
Emerson Lake & Palmer
Iron Maiden
The J. Geils Band
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Motorhead
T. Rex

Soul/R&B/Disco/Funk Acts

The Average White Band
Barry White
Chaka Khan
The Commodores
Donny Hathaway
The Gap Band
The J.B's
Janet Jackson
Joe Tex
The Meters
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Sade
The Spinners
War
Whitney Houston

Rap Acts

Afrika Bambaataa
De La Soul
Eric B. & Rakim
LL Cool J

Alternative/Punk/New Wave/Electronic Acts

The B-52's
Bad Brains
Black Flag
The Cure
Depeche Mode
Devo
Eurythmics
The Jam
Jane's Addiction
Kraftwerk
MC5
New York Dolls
Nine Inch Nails
Pixies
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
The Replacements
Roxy Music
The Smiths
Sonic Youth

1950's/1960's Acts

Ben E. King
Chubby Checker
Chuck Willis
The Crystals
Dick Dale
Iron Butterfly
Johnny Burnette & The Rock "N' Roll Trio
Lesley Gore
Link Wray
Love
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
The Monkees
Procol Harum
The Shangri-La's
Steppenwolf
Tommy James & The Shondells
The Turtles
The Zombies

Singer-Songwriters/Solo Artists

Carole King
Gram Parsons
Joe Cocker
Kate Bush
Lucinda Williams
Sting
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren

Outside Genre/Left-Field Picks

Captain Beefheart
George Jones
Gil Scott-Heron
Johnny Winter
Junior Parker
Los Lobos
Patsy Cline
Peter Tosh

out of all the names I mentioned which 19 do you see and predict as next year's nominees?

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 00:14am


richie,

Ohh dont worry. I dont need that list at all. Alll or most will probably be on it anyway. I am strong with a prediction of Steppenwolf and the Zombies. I like your inclusion of Captain Beefheart. Wow. Yu listed the Jam. There is Joe Cocker and Johhny Winter to consider. I have no list at this moment

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 09:21am


80s and metal are not classic rock

Country is not in anyway an other - it is an integral part of rock and roll. somehow people forget all the country artist that had their work covered by r&r and r&b artist,

Even if Patsy Cline did not do Rockabilly (look it up-she did) her songs are very much in line with both r & b and country artist that are not questioned as being rock and roll.

R&R is not equal to or a subset of r&b. R&R is a pot luck of mainly blues and country with side dishes of r&b, jazz folk and other genres. It is its own entity.

mia

Carter Family (early influence)
no Mabelle Carter - no lead guitar - no lead guitar - no rock and roll and no rock

Chubby Checker
Patsy Cline
Big Bopper
The spinners

Herb Kent (dj)

Peter Paul and Mary
Judy Collins
The Chieftains

Tommy James and the Shondells
Ides of March
The Buckinghams
American Breed

Melanie
Emmylou Harris
Helen Ready
Don Mcclean
Gordon Lightfoot
Steve Goodman
John Prine
Janis Ian
Kenny Loggins
Jimmy Buffett
Dan Fogelberg

The Guess Who
BTO
REO Speedwagon
Styx
Kansas
Doobie Brothers
Three Dog Night
Grand Funk Railroad

Bernie Taupin (songwriter)
Dr Demento (dj)
Shel Silverstein (songwritter) quess what song he wrote?

Blues Brothers

5th Dimension
Commodores
Roberta Flack

Willie Nelson
Kris Kristofferson
Waylon Jennings
Dottie West
Kenny Rogers
David Allen Coe
Jerry Reed

First Edition
Dr Hook
Bread
Loggins and Messina
England Dan and John Ford Coley
Seals and Crofts

This is just pre-80s and many of these artist should have been inducted a long time ago

What nobody else remembering Canadian artist?

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 09:49am


I ended up missing 2 important artist

Kingston Trio

Rufus

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 10:09am


Rufus- most of your choices, with all due 'respect' (with the exception of The Spinners, The Big Bopper, Tommy James, possibly Chubby, and the top-level country artists), are at best 4th/5th level choices, and at WORST (aka the 'classic rock' groups and the wuss singer-songwriters/groups like Bread) joke choices that are barely one level above the likes of Milli Vanilli, 1910 Fruitgum Company, and the Archies! They make the likes of ABBA, PBBB, and Bon Phony look like legit/first-ballot entries...

Plus, there are TOO DAMN MANY acts far more deserving (esp. in the alternative era) than those blights on music that have been cast aside for too damn many Baby Boomer Yacht-mush groups already ;-(>...

Posted by KXB on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 11:54am


(meant to address that to Zuzu..) #sorry #butnotabouttherest

Posted by KXB on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 11:57am


richie,

I am certainly willing to answer your question a.Here is my early list of predictions for the
2019 nominees.

Bad Company
Beck
The Cure
Def Leppard
Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
J. Geils Band
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Gordon Lightfoot
L.L. Cool J
The Meters
The Monkees
Radiohead
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner
The Zombies

b. Def Leppard
c. Eurythmics
Judas Priest
L.L. Cool J
The Meters
Radiohead
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Zombies

d.Populist Classic Rock acts nominated
Bad Company
Def Lepppard
Doobie Brothers
Jethro Tull

I will not answer questions e and f due to my rule of not predicting inductees until the official announcement of actual nominees. You will have to wait until October for those.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 12:12pm


KXB

Let's get something straight from the get go this is the rock and roll hall of fame - rock and roll is boomer music

This is not the gen ex or millenial hall of fame.

This is rock and roll not a lot of the garbage that gets mentioned or even the garbage that gets nominated.

You kids want to piss in the pool go to your own pool and do it.

mc5
Janet Jackson
Chic
joe tex with his rapist song

should be in - now this is the joke

Newsflash

I will say what I always say put them up for nominations against the garbage dump repeat rejects and let's see who gets in.

I will tell you that

The Guess Who
BTO
REO Speedwagon
Styx
Kansas
Doobie Brothers
Three Dog Night
Grand Funk Railroad

will get in before any the the actual 5 and 6th tier garbage that usually gets mentioned

and before you go knocking these country artist down look at who they are associated with and which rock, r&r and r&b artist have worked with, mentioned them or covered their work.

I don't know what you think you know about r&r but these artist have a lot more influence on the genre than a lot of post r&r that gets mentioned.

If you are going to put down actual r&r what is your purpose in being on here? Is it to glorify your generations music over r&r. If that is it then why didn't your generation simply start your own hall of fame for your music

One again I will repeat nominate my suggestions along with yours and lets see who gets the votes of their peers. Your bs name calling does nothing to change who will get the votes. Just remember patterns. 70s artist get in before 80 & 90s artist, rock and folk get in before punk metal r&b and country artist would probably too.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 12:45pm


Ben,

Thank you for your reply back to me and for your list of nominations and I totally understand that you're wanting to wait until October and I look forward to your list then and I also want to tell you that Gordon Lightfoot is not on the previously considered list so I think you should replace him with someone else like either Janet Jackson, Kraftwerk, or Carole King, but I definitely agree with the other 18 you mentioned (Bad Company, The Cure, Def Leppard, The Doobie Brothers, Eurythmics, The J. Geils Band, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, LL Cool J, The Meters, The Monkees, Radiohead, Rufus With Chaka Khan, The Spinners, Steppenwolf, Tina Turner, and The Zombies. as well as the newly eligible Beck.) thanks again and Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 13:05pm


KXB

You want to know why alt, punk and metal get cast aside?

Who wants to listen to them?

Who wants to listen to those that consider them an influence?

You want these artist recognized then build a hall of fame for this type of music

Now about your sexist yacht mush comment - do you want to talk about the overload of sexist ding dong rock? Did you hear about the me too movement. Maybe some of the guys need to take a second look at their attitudes on women's preferences.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 13:06pm


Zuzu - You get no right to say that Rock and Roll and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is only for Baby Boomers. That is so incredibly rude, dismissive, and closed minded to the thousands of artists and millions of fans that have continued to advance the art form after the Boomers got old and stagnate. Also, it totally diminishes the fact that it was the Silent Generation that actually created Rock and Roll.

Your dismissive behavior to any music you do not like or did not pierce your Chicago bubble in 1970's is getting old. Speaking for myself and others this behavior is so annoying and unwelcoming to the community here. Try being more open to music you did not get the chance to listen to 40 years ago.

Also, It is essentailly confirmed by Rock historians and writers (people that know what they are talking about) that the MC5, Janet Jackson, and Chic are more important to the overall development of Rock and Roll than Styx, Three Dog Night and Kansas. Facts are facts.

Finally, could you please review your posts before posting. It's a real struggle to ascertain what points you are trying to make or what your argument is when you struggle with basic grammar and capitalization. Thank you.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 13:45pm


Zuzu

Not to mention. What have those artists ever done to push rock and roll? Nothing.

They're bloated, second rate dad rock artists that would only get bought up by those 55 year-old white cis-male bigots who throw tantrums when non-rock artists get inducted. Next to no one cites them as an influence, none of they're albums ever appear high in a greatest albums list and only a few songs are ever acknowledged at most in general.

Stop acting like you're entitled to what is and isn't allowed to go in the Rock Hall and become open minded to close of that arrogant fantasy world of yours.

It's amazing you haven't been terminated from here based on your posts.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 14:37pm


Damn, Zuzu is really doubling down on the out of touch, bubble dwelling, tasteless, entitled boomer persona lately. It's so over the top and unrealistic at this point that I'm convinced it's got to be a gimmick. No way this could be real.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 14:59pm


Gasman,

Who was listening to the music? The Boomer generation was in the high school and college age group that is the demographic that determines the latest trends. My parents were part of the silent generation and they were into folk and pop while others were into jazz - beat music. Come the 80's the decade of gen ex rock and roll is no longer the dominant genre of music.

I have found that some of those experts that follow this ideology are connected to Jann Weinner and the rock hall and there are other experts and artist that disagree along with other artist in genres that are pushed.

A couple of things you need to ask yourself

If these artist are so important why aren't they getting the votes to get inducted?

Why don't these so called experts interview artist who have earned the right to be part of the voting body. I have looked elsewhere and they are not happy with the push ahead policy of the nom com. They feel that deserving artist have been passed over.

Gassman look at my lists right before nominations come out and you will see they are more open then a lot of lists that consist mostly of Brits and R&B.

How can a judgement be made on an artist be made when people do not even know their song catalog or don't even care to investigate their influence?

Looking at the songs listed for REO and Jerry Reed it is as if people are not aware of their work before 1980 and this includes your so called experts.

I will apologize to you personally. I have mentioned I have been having health problems recently and it may be affecting my attitude lately. There have been comments that are sexist in nature and a lot of that is related to artist that are preferred by females and that I find closed minded and offensive.

Gasman why shouldn't post factual info about Chicago artist and Country and folk artist? There are others on here that have their own pet projects.




Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 16:45pm


Wow, Zuzu, congrats on reinforcing every stereotype people have of out-of-touch, elitist, me me ME Baby Boomers! So, you say "Rock and Roll is Boomer music"? REALLY??? More like Rock and Roll is BLACK music co-opted by Baby Boomers who claim they're stuff is better than everyone else's (not always)!

The fact is, EVERY (eligible) era, from the early years (pre-1950's) to the 90's, has their share of all-timers (and most who just don't measure up); what irks me (and so many others) is that too damn many (11 of 16 in the last 3 years!) acts from the same era and style got in at the expense of more worthier acts (which range from the 50s/60s- The Spinners, Link Wray, MC5, to the 80s/90s- The Smiths, NIN, Radiohead)...

Speaking of the Spinners, they were one of the acts I agreed should've been inducted long ago- so does that make them 'garbage', or is there another factor in your objection to them?

Also, Styx, Kansas, Guess Who, Bread, Seals & Crofts , REO, Grand Funk, Loggins & Messina and their ilk have NO realistic chance of getting in the HoF (F'd up as they are), so get over it already!

Finally, you somehow claimed that my comments were sexist- pray tell, EXPLAIN to me how you came to that conclusion??? BTW, I would like nothing better than to see Kate Bush, Tori Amos, Tina Turner solo, PJ Harvey, Carole King (as a performer), Chaka, and oh yes Janet (among many), but NOT Pat Benatar & Whitney Houston, as their music for the most part was too mediocre (along with too damn many of of your male YR/wuss selections)...

Posted by KXB on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 18:03pm


Zuzu

Not to mention, your OWN LOGIC can be used AGAINST YOU!

Styx, REO Speedwagon, The Guess Who, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, Grand Funk Railroad, Three Dog Night and Kansas (they're all completely unworthy by the way). None of them have a chance in Hell of induction so they're about as important as 2000 calories of tiramisu is to maintaining a healthy, balanced diet.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 18:27pm


KXB

Naming women to be inducted does not mean you are sexist in your attitudes. It is what is said about artist that liked more by women. Example is the sexist tiramisu comment. So a testosterone diet of male only opinion is ok. Where is the yin yang?If you guys are not sexist then where is the balance of female opinions on here? It wasn't that way further back. What changed?

Look at my list and you will see that the Spinners are in the group. I personally think the push ahead policy is the problem. Think Kiss. the rest of your list did not get votes. By the way I was voting for NIN, It's going to take time before they get in - the others - I do not see it.

I did not call the Spinners garbage. I just knew they would not get the votes and were put on as a filler.

Kate Bush, Tori Amos and PJ Harvey all have the same problem - no root support or barely any with older artist. You need that to get the votes.

I've looked on line and Janet Jackson's fans don't care about her getting inducted. A bunch of family paid for publicity does not make her a worthy candidate, I do support TLC who I feel have enough r&r elements to qualify. They also set the blueprint for future r&b artist which JJ did not do and that is out of the mouth of Beyonce.

Chaka and Tina Turner yes Seriously Pat Benetar is one of the biggest complaints. Carole King is in as a writer and does not have enough for an artist as by the 70s her material is ac.

I wish they would hold off on Chaka and Rufus for a couple of years since getting some the artist that are from Chicago or spent time in Chicago would probably give them enough votes. That is if they held back on the push ahead policy.

Do you actually think you know enough about REO to make a judgement call? Based on the fact that their earlier material is missing from their song list on this site, I do not think so.

have you even listened to

Golden Country
Flying Turkey Trot
157 Riverside Ave
Ridin the Storm Out

If you do not know anything prior to the 80s how can you judge these artist

You do not think they can get the votes but I think they could.

All I ask islet them get nominated and let's see which of us their peers agree with.




Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 19:56pm


richie,

I wrote down my choices and somehow still made a mistake. Janet Jackson is on my list. So here is my list again. Let's try again.
My list of predictions for the 2019 Rock n'Roll Hall of Fame

Bad Company
Beck
The Cure
Def Leppard
Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Gordon Lightfoot
L.L. Cool J
The Meters
The Monkees
Radiohead
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner
The Zombies

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 22:03pm


Ben,

nice revised list of your predictions for next year's nominees but you took out The J. Geils Band and added Janet Jackson but you still kept Gordon Lightfoot on your list of predictions for next year's nominees as I already mentioned Gordon is not on the previously considered list so I think you should take him out of your predictions and replace him with The J. Geils Band,

I think your new list of predictions for next year's nominees should be

Bad Company
Beck
The Cure
Def Leppard
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
The Meters
The Monkees
Radiohead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner
The Zombies

that's a more likely list right there, thanks again and Have a good night.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 22:43pm


This year's nominees:

Bad Company
Beck
The Cure
Def Leppard
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
The Meters
The Monkees
Radiohead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner
The Zombies


There you have it, folks. Nothing left to say... See y'all in October.

Posted by joker on Sunday, 02.18.18 @ 23:59pm


If I got to choose the 19 nominees, it would look like this

A Tribe Called Quest
Björk
The Cure
Depeche Mode
Gil-Scott Heron
Janet Jackson
John Coltrane
Joy Division
Judas Priest
King Crimson
Kraftwerk
Mariah Carey
Patsy Cline
Pixies
Radiohead
Roxy Music
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
The Spinners

Posted by Nicky Joe on Monday, 02.19.18 @ 05:02am


richie,

It is funny and ironic that you mentioned the Previously considered list. You know why. Up until 2 years ago I studied the Previously considered and told those like Enig not to pick Carly Simon. She wasn't on the previously considered list. I said that's what they go by. Several people pointed out that the Hall would never move ahead with first time eligibles.

Then I figured the Hall goes by the Previously considered for the old acts. But 2 years in a row I was proved wrong there too. Joan Baez was nominated and even inducted without having been previously considered and the same with Nina Simone. Therefore I have changed my view. I remember this rather clearly. I notice they have avoided Carol King in favor of folk and Jazz singers even older. So I am picking Gordon Lightfoot still as a mellow choice. You have the view I had 2 years ago. They seem to be making up for avoiding old folk and Jazz singers.

You should also know that my list is a temporary list that most certainly will be changed a few times. I will not finalize my list until August. Gordon Lightfoot seems like one I can change. This is February. Its wayyy too early. Some others I want to consider are Peter,Paul and Mary, Joe Cocker, Carole King and T Rex. There are so many. I want to go back to thinking about the presenters for this year.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02.19.18 @ 07:08am


richie,

My other answers remain the same. I think Bad Company, Def Leppard, Doobie Brothers and Jethro Tull stand a good chance as the populist Classic Rock choices. I also think that the Monkees may be nominated due to a buzz on them.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02.19.18 @ 08:25am


NOMINEES FOR THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Mary Wells
02. The Spinners
03. The Marvelettes
04. Chubby Checker
05. Ben E. King
06. Carole King
07. Tina Turner
08. Dionne Warwick
09. Willie Nelson
10. Jan & Dean
11. The Monkees
12. Judy Collins
13. Peter, Paul & Mary
14. The Kingston Trio
15. Jethro Tull
16. King Crimson
17. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
18. Kool & The Gang
19. The Commodores
20. The Doobie Brothers
21. Foreigner
22. Janet Jackson
23. Nine Inch Nails
24. Rage Against The Machine
25. Radiohead

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.19.18 @ 12:43pm


Ben,

thank you again for your reply back to me I understand exactly what you're standing I totally understand your views on Gordon Lightfoot, my mom thinks he should be in there too and I agree with you about Bad Company, Def Leppard, The Doobie Brothers, Jethro Tull, and The Monkees I really think those 5 that I mentioned are on track to be the next big populist choices for the Hall following the inductions of ABBA, Genesis, Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, Heart, Rush, Hall & Oates, Kiss, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues in the last several years thanks again for your reply awesome talking to you and Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02.19.18 @ 15:11pm


Zusu-

Most people on this board agree that REO Stinkwagon has NO chance, or business making the R&RHoF. You many notice they're NOWHERE to be found in their Rock Hall Projection or Rankings projects. As for me, I'm well aware that they've existed long before Hi Infidelity (the most mediocre 10+ million-selling rock album ever, BTW), and while they've admittedly had their moments back then, their overall body of work does not hold up nearly well enough to consider them all-time greats, or to receive any accolades indicating this...


Finally, the idea that UNWORTHY 70's 'artists' are entitled to get selected before WORTHIER 80's/90's artists (not to mention 50's/60's artists) is moronic and bullheaded (aka typical Baby Boomer 'thinking'), akin to the way our a$$hat 'president' got 'elected'...

Posted by KXB on Monday, 02.19.18 @ 18:11pm


richie,

So you understand that I used to study the Previously considered list but after Joan Baez and Nina Simone have even been inducted I see that my theory of that is wrong. They were not previously considered. I believe that it has happened with others like Hall & Oates. I dont fully remember.

So in an effort to catch up on Folk and Jazz acts Gordon Lightfoot makes sense as the next in line. 2 years in a row I predicted Carole King and was wrong. As far as Gordon Lightfoot some key tunes are Don Quixote and Sundown. I know those well. He is certainly not a populist act but can feasibly be nominated for 2019. Enig likes to predict Carly Simon. I dont agree but it is feasible also even though she is NOT previously considered.

As far as other predictions there is the Monkees

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02.20.18 @ 06:39am


On the singer/songwriter/folk artist front - I've noticed that in recent years, it seems like it is the subgenre in which the nominating committee tends to have the highest success rate with (as far as the nominees getting quickly in to the HOF).

The fact that they have recently leaned towards nominating women and people of color (or both in the case of Nina Simone) in that subgenre, I think is not an accidental trend.

With the mass public criticism the Hall has taken for classes that had no women members, or limited black inductees; the nominating committee seems to have figured out that they can up the likelihood that the class will be more diverse by using this "slot" on the nominations for more diverse choices.

So, that's why I've leaned away from predicting some obvious HOF worthy choices like Graham Parsons, or John Prine. Gordon Lightfoot is a consideration in that realm as well, but I think a rung or two down. He was pretty influential in his time, but seems to have largely fallen out of the consciousness of the wider popular culture.

Until the main voting block shows that it is more open to the funk, R&B, and rap candidates; I think we will continue to see the singer-songwriter category dominated by women and by singers of color. Which is why I was predicting Gil Scott-Heron this year. Others in this line of thought could include: Joan Armatrading, Richie Havens, the long awaited nomination for Carole King as a performer. Heck, even Tracy Chapman - she's been eligible for about 5 years.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 02.20.18 @ 15:15pm


Shrek,

Thats a very good point. richie wanted a Nominee list so I thought of one fast. Gordon Lightfoot came to mind. I forgot about Richie havens. There is a pretty good chance of him as a nominee. Joan Armitrading and Carole King are other possibilities. I was going to hold off on Carole King. I picked her 2 years in a row and she was snubbed as a nominee. I wont make a more final list until the Summer.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02.20.18 @ 16:14pm


With the mass public criticism the Hall has taken for classes that had no women members, or limited black inductees; the nominating committee seems to have figured out that they can up the likelihood that the class will be more diverse by using this "slot" on the nominations for more diverse choices.

Shrek,

Have you looked at what members of the voting block have been saying? They have complained about the lack of women,the lack of transparency and the nom com pushing ahead. They are also complaining about undeserving people being inducted, which is why they are calling for transparency. Remember the DC5 scandal?

I do not see much complaining about African Americans in general. I have seen some complaints about rap and hip hop - both for and against.

I really would like to know what the people complaining about the low numbers of African Americans think is a fair percentage. African Americans are 15% of the population and this is what I see happening now. That would be 3 years with one African American inductee with every 4th year skipped.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 02.21.18 @ 08:52am


Zuzu

Stop posting comments, you're making yourself look even worse! Yes only 15% of the American population is Black BUT America is a country that has oppressed them violently ever since they were dragged over to America and even TODAY they suffer constant discrimination.

The problem with not having a more equal number of blacks inducted is that it reinforces the oppression they suffer and creates this black-unfriendly atmospheric.

You might this is just political correctness gone mad, I say otherwise. Now run along!

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 02.21.18 @ 12:13pm


Zuzu

If you aren't seeing the criticism about classes dominated exclusively by "white guys playing guitars" it is because you have chosen to avoid or ignore such articles. They are numerous.

And while 15% of America is African-American, the impact of black culture (and other minority cultures for that matter) on American music of all genres far surpasses that representative sample.

And yes, I pay close attention to criticisms and analysis of the HOF, both from people that actually have a vote as well as the wider array of people who do not have a vote, but care about the results; especially if such commentators seem to have done the necessary homework to have formed actual informed opinions (and it helps as well if they have internal consistency and integrity in their complaints - rather than the many I see who complain about the biases of the nominating committee and then show that they simply want to replace those biases with their own biases). I think all of us on this community board do tend to pay this sort of attention; which is what leads to these discussions. We use that info, as well as paying close attention to the actual trends of the nominating committee and the patterns of the main voters in response to those nominations. The two groups at this point are certainly in very different mind sets about the direction of the HOF.

Your biggest most vocal gripe obviously is with the fact that REO Speedwagon is not in the HOF; so you come here and attack all of us for that snub. But, honestly it would violate my attempt at impartial analysis for me to predict that REO will be inducted in to the Hall Of Fame. Because, I pay attention to the trends of the nominating committee. And nothing I have seen in any way indicates that that group as currently constructed is likely to nominate REO Speedwagon in any near future year. And if they don't get nominated, they can't get inducted.

You can rage at us if you want; but it's not going to do you much good. You would be much better off studying the approach of the fans of Yes or The Moody Blues, or your apparent hated enemy Janet Jackson; those are groups that have succeeded in making a big public spectacle (in a positive way) in support of their favorite artists. It has helped those artists in getting placement on the snub lists of major music websites; and in some cases (such as Yes) it seems to have done the job of finally getting that act nominated and inducted.

Right now, other than yourself, I don't see the big fan groundswell of support for REO. Where is your promotional website for inducting REO? Where is your Facebook site?

Let's put it this way, I would put REO Speedwagon's chances at getting inducted in the the HOF much higher than I would the chances of Dennis Wilson; and yet, right now the fans of Dennis Wilson has a far superior marketing campaign in support of their candidate than you do for yours.

If you want to see REO make it in; go out and do the work to make ite happen.

Or you can keep tilting at windmills on this discussion list; attacking the people that have no vote in either part of the process; but find it interesting to try to track and make predictions about - and occasionally voice a bit of support for our own particular favorite artists or genres.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02.21.18 @ 14:07pm


All of society's ills can be traced to Janet Jackson.

The truth is out there, sheeple!!!

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 02.21.18 @ 15:37pm


"I really would like to know what the people complaining about the low numbers of African Americans think is a fair percentage. African Americans are 15% of the population and this is what I see happening now. That would be 3 years with one African American inductee with every 4th year skipped." -Zuzu

This reads kind of like you sat down at the keyboard and asked yourself, "How can I take the absurd idea behind my silly ass population based argument against British acts and make it really out of touch and repugnant?"

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 02.21.18 @ 21:04pm


Zuzu:

1. The DC5 scandal centered around votes that were either postmarked or simply arrived a day or two after the deadline that would have put them ahead, supposedly by six votes. While it was about transparency, it wasn't about acts not being deserving.

2. If you haven't seen African-Americans complaining, you just haven't been paying attention. Bill G. doesn't come around as often as he used to, and I've never actually asked him, but I believe he's hinted that he's African-American, and he's VERY adamant and outraged at the omission of African-American acts.


Shrek,

Zuzu isn't outraged about REO Speedwagon not being in the Hall; she's outraged that the Hall isn't Chicago-centric. To her, all roads lead to Chicago. Now, in all fairness, she also wants more deserving women in the Hall, and wants to see the country side of the equation get a little more fair representation. And those are valid points, imo. But by and large, it's Chicago that matters. If you weren't big in Chicago, during the 60's and 70's, you don't matter.


DarinRG,

I know, right? Not just "really out of touch," but effing detached from reality.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 02.21.18 @ 23:58pm


Nicky Joe,

I'm going to ask you some questions:

a)I know it's really early but who do you see getting nominated and thus being the nominees for the 2019 class?

b)after Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey, and Bon Jovi who do you think will be the next fan vote winner for 2019?

c)out of the nominees who didn't get in this year who do you think have the best chances at induction next year?

d)with Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues all going in the last 3 years which populist Classic Rock acts/bands do you think will be nominated next year?

e)I know it's really early but who do you see being next year's induction class?

f)which acts do you see being inducted in the next five years (2019 2020 2021 2022 and 2023)?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02.22.18 @ 00:31am


richie

A: Radiohead, Rage Against the Machine, Beck, Outkast, The Smiths, Nine Inch Nails, Judas Priest, Def Leppard, The Doobie Brothers, Bad Company, Jethro Tull, Depeche Mode, Janet Jackson, Pixies, The Spinners, Sonic Youth, Patsy Cline, Kraftwerk and Soundgarden

B: Judas Priest

C: Probably Judas Priest, maybe Radiohead

D: Judas Priest, Bad Company, Def Leppard and Jethro Tull

E: Judas Priest, Bad Company, Def Leppard, Jethro Tull and Radiohead (Janet Jackson if six). Yeah I think it's going to be a very white male year next time.

F: I tell you what, I'll do a list of 24 artists I think stand solid chances of induction .
Bad Company
Carole King
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
Eminem
Janet Jackson
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
The Marvelettes
MC5
Motörhead
Nine Inch Nails
The Notorious B.I.G.
Outkast
Patsy Cline
Pixies
Radiohead
Rage Against the Machine
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Whitney Houston

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 02.22.18 @ 04:05am


Nicky Joe,

Your list is pretty good and accurate. Janet Jackson and the Spinners are 2 of my African American choices for 2019. This is in contrast to someone else that has had a bunch of posts. The poor Spinners have been snubbed several timesm Although I am. a fan of a lot of Classic Rock it is important to include R&b acts as well. I dig a bunch of R&b. The Pixies and Sonic Youth are worthy choices. I will consider them for my more final list. I dont know Sonic Youth much at all. But in the same way that Crosby, Stills and Nash and Traffic were key influences in their time so too I suppose Sonic Youth are influences in their time. I have several friends who like them.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02.23.18 @ 07:36am


Nicky Joe,

I also see you have Whitney Houston. I am NOT a fan but again a worthy act based on Fame and influence. I am personally into other R&b acts much more. I think Tina Turner could b picked next year instead of Whitney. Tina is a legend that goes back further and has worked with soo many known musicians. But Whitney H could be nominated by 2021 easily.

The Smiths, Nine Inch Nails and Soundgarden are all likely for sure. Now how did they miss on Soundgarden last year. They weren't even nominated. I am not a 90s expert but Chris Cornell died last year. And they were still ignored.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02.23.18 @ 10:00am


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