Future Rock Legends

Surprised Radiohead missed out. Sad there are only 5 Performer inductees. And the Cars getting in are the closest thing this has to a pleasant surprise for me.

It's like the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is intentionally aiming for mediocrity.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 07:27am

This is an amazing class. The voters went with the older acts. No Rage and no Radio!

MY FINAL PREDICTION WAS CORRECT.

Why no non-performers this year?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 07:28am

The Voting Statistics page has been updated. No more Moody Blues and Bon Jovi in the top 10.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 07:31am

Surprised Judas Priest didnt make It. Most of the heavy metal bands have 4 or 5+ band members. Thats plenty of votes. Congrats to Moody Blues and The Cars. Log jam continues for J. Geils Band, Rufus, The Zombies, and other 3+ nomination groups. Livin On A Prayer guys! Radiohead no HOF biggest shock I can remember. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 07:41am

Yawn

All of my predictions came true except for Radiohead not being inducted... that’s hilarious I might add

Only 5, seriously? They could’ve easily gone with Radiohead, Judas Priest, Depeche More, Rage Against the Machine, MC5 and Kate Bush over Bon Jovi and Dire Straits. Where’s the excitement, the variety, the unpredictability.

Yes it’s fantastic to see the long overdue inductions of Simone and Tharpe but the missed potential here is nothing short of baffling and the committee all need to be fired and replaced with competent voters.

3.5/10 for the 2018 class

4/10 for the 2018 Class.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 08:10am

I'm guessing the induction ceremony will induct them in this sequence:

1. Dire Straits--just like ELO with "Roll Over Beethoven," they'll want the ceremony to open with Sting warbling out his famous line "I want my MTV..." kicking it off with "Money For Nothing."

2. The Cars--something lively and exciting next.

3. Sister Rosetta Tharpe--sandwich the other category induction right in the middle

4. The Moody Blues--put the prog and the long-awaited snub to kick off the second half

5. Nina Simone--the inductee that isn't the people's pick, the most artistic of the bunch just before the schlock

6. Bon Jovi--the headliner, and the act that'll sell tickets. They're closing.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 08:11am

Congratulations to all the inductees!! Especially The Moody Blues! Tremendously deserving group. I am happy that The Cars made it. Giants of New Wave Rock. Dire Straits is a good addition, even if I considered them borderline in terms of deserving induction. And while Bon Jovi , a decent band, does not rank with the all time rock bands in terms of musical quality, they belong because of their unprecedented success as a hard rock band on the singles charts. I remember how extraordinary that was. Still a hugely popular group, and one of the biggest concert draws in the world.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 08:28am

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

19 LIVING WHITE MEN

1 DEAD WHITE MAN

2 DEAD BLACK WOMEN

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 08:32am

Radiohead's omission surprised me. I had heard that they were sure things. I suppose their disregard for the Hall played some role in that. Will likely be in in the next few years. Sister Rosetta Tharpe, the Grandmother of Rock and Roll, now joins the pantheon of greats of popular music. Dire Straits surprised me as well. My favorite song by these Brits is Skateaway. And Now Nina Simone, whose music I don't know at all, will receive greater exposure. I thought LL Cool J would make it, as one of the first successful rappers. I'm not a rap fan, even though I'm black, but he was certainly important for his genre of music.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 08:41am

By the way , I'm happy that the great Tom Petty, who passed this year, was inducted years ago and lived to perform at his ceremony, unlike people like Stevie Ray Vaughn , Lou Reed, and John Lord ( Deep Purple). If Emerson Lake and Palmer are ever inducted, Emerson and Lake won't be around to experience it, sadly. Hopefully Foreigner, The Guess Who, Pat Benatar, Jethro Tull, and Neil Sedaka live to see induction.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 08:52am

Judas Priest should have made it in. A shame. Hopefully the Scorpions, Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains will be there someday. Also Paul Anka, Connie Francis, and Chubby Checker. And Neil Sedaka.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 08:57am

My choice would be to replace Bon Jovi with The Zombies, but Bon Jovi had the most on the fan vote, so they won it fair and square. Hopefully The Zombies will get in in 2019.

Posted by danny on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 09:31am

I think its a pretty good class, although the stubbornness of the hall to induct 5 and only 5 is such a headache. This year, like the past few years, are the Hall trying to play catch up. A lot of these names should've gotten inducted 10-15 years ago.

I had predicted Dire Straits at the beginning of this year before they were nominated. Mark Knopfler is a guitar idol, and if the likes of Clapton, Collins, Sting, etc. all consider him a peer of theirs, its not surprising that his band got in. Ric Ocasek is another name that just screams "rock and roll hall of famer."

Bon Jovi is too big to ignore. The Moody Blues were long considered one of the biggest snubs. Nina Simone is a great pick whose spotlight grew in the past few years. Sister Rosetta Tharpe is one of the best choices for the EI category.

Radiohead not getting in is a big surprise, but they'll probably get in soon. They, along with Judas Priest, Rage, and LL Cool J probably have the best shots if nominated again next year.

The Meters and Rufus with Chaka Khan, as great as they are, just don't have the name recognition or longstanding radio airplay as an act like Kool and the Gang or The Commodores do. I think if they or someone like the Fifth Dimension were nominated, they'd fare a lot better.

Eurythmics and Depeche Mode will get in sometime soon too, but I think the nom com is gonna go with Kraftwerk once more and once they're in, I think DM & Eurythmics will have an easier time.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 09:31am

Well, congratulations are definitely in order for Rush’s biggest influence, the founding fathers of our favorite genre, prog, The Moody Blues. I think that it is only appropriate for their disciples, Rush to induct their musical fathers. Now please listen to me, editors of Wikipedia and Allmusic Guide. The Moody Blues were a huge influence on Rush, please take the time to make the necessary corrections!

Geddy, Alex and Neil, please get ready to prepare your induction speeches.

Thank you to all of the prog fan bases, especially to the fan bases of The Moody Blues, Rush, Duran Duran and Yes. To the Duran Duran fan base, I think that your favorite band will
be the next prog band to get into the Rock Hall. PROG Magazine, it is time for you to add Duran Duran to the greatest prog artists list.
Otherwise,

Congratulations are in order to The Cars, a band who I had voted for each and every time, along with The Moody Blues and to Dire Straits, a band which I did not vote for.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 09:43am

Speculations on presenters..

Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp for Bon Jovi

Eric Clapton, Tina Turner, Sting, Bob Seger for Dire Straits

Gwen Stefani, Lorde for The Cars

Rush or Phish for The Moody Blues

Elton John for Nina Simone

Mavis Staples for Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 10:49am

Bonnie Raitt should present Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 10:52am

Sebastian Bach for Bon Jovi

Sting for Dire Straits

Rivers Cuomo for The Cars

Wayne Coyne for The Moody Blues

Alicia Keys for Nina Simone

Mavis Staples for Sister Rosetta Tharpe (Good choice Roy)

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 11:21am

I agree with everyone and their thoughts in the above comments. So I'll just repeat them, but in my own tone:

a) 5 inductees? Really? The backlog is just getting larger, and the Rock Hall will be taken less seriously unless it gets its act together.

b) Everyone who is getting inducted is long overdue. Like Steve Z, I predicted Dire Straits before they were even nominated (thanks Spotify! I'll use you next summer as a foreshadower). It'll be a great ceremony, and as I predicted a long time ago, whatever year Bon Jovi will be inducted - they will be the headliner. Glad the voters got them out of the way. As for the Cars, I'm glad they don't have to keep popping up on future ballots. Can't wait to hear their tribute to Orr.

c) Just about everyone predicted Radiohead were destined to be a first-eligible inductee. What happened?! 1) Either Radiohead didn't get enough votes (especially if they added millennial voters!), or 2) Jann Wenner and/or the Rock Hall decided to kowtow to Radiohead and work around them, even though the band clearly doesn't give a crap. Yes, I'm one of those weird conspiracy theorist guys.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 11:26am

Wow. No Radiohead. I guess their refusal to take part may have hurt them. But just for credibility sake, The Hall should have added a 6th Performer Inductee and thrown in Radiohead. They just look foolish. I mean, this is one of the most significant bands of the last couple of decades. Radiohead was not the first to snub the Hall: Axl Rose, Van Morrison, etc.

Sister Tharpe, no surprise there with the sliding her over to Early Influence. We all saw that coming. Wish they had been able to do the same for Link Wray. He really needs to be inducted.

Bon Jovi. I don't get it. I mean, I understand the populist trend that FRL has pointed out so well, but do they even fit that category? I never saw Bon Jovi as having the same impact as a Chicago or Journey in the popular culture. I see Bon Jovi's induction as one of the weakest ever, slightly better than Percy Sledge. When you've got [insert huge snub here], what the hell is Bon Jovi doing in there?

I'm fine with the Moodys and Nina Simone. Don't listen a lot to either, but I don't question their credentials.

Now to two of my favorite bands ever, Dire Straits and The Cars. As much of a fan as I am, I do realize that the argument may be a little weaker for Dire Straits, but Mark Knopfler's respect in the industry pushed them through. And I love them, so I won't complain.

The Cars finally!! Such a great band, so innovative within their own genre, and quite influential. Ric Ocasek is a pop genius.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 11:48am

Well, It is my proud pleasure after many years of waiting to welcome the Moody Blues to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. The forefathers of the Prog rock genre are finally inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame.

It is also Cool to have Bon Jovi into the Gall. I predicted all the inductees that are inducted but I expected 7 not 5. It is puzzling that there were 19 nominees but only 5 inductees. I was also right about the Cars and Dire Straits as well as Nina Simone. I am surprised that Radiohead was not inducted. It is NOT because they werent showing up. They could not get enough Votes. Eurythmics was a gamble. I was thinking perhaps of an extra 80s act. Oh well.

So there they are. We will look to the ceremony.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 11:56am

Jason,

This is what I said about Radiohead



If Radiohead does not get inducted it is not because they will not show up. That is ridiculous. If anything they are not showing up because they realize they are not getting the votes and are just trying to save face with a lame excuse.

This ballot does not deserve to have more than 5 inductees. It is basically a garbage dump. More than half of the nominees should not have been on this ballot.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12.4.17 @ 09:46am

This ballot does nothing to ease the backlog.

When was the last time a country artist was inducted? Conway Twitty was never a good choice. He never had an impact on rock and roll. There were several better choices that did.

Other than Joan Baez when was the last time we had a folk artist inducted?

How many Canadians have been inducted? 3? Joni Mitchell, Neil Young and Rush. What about Guess Who, BTO and Gordon Lightfoot? What about the women?


This is where your shortfalls are.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 13:17pm

"If anything they are not showing up because they realize they are not getting the votes and are just trying to save face with a lame excuse."

You don't know much about Radiohead.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 14:20pm

GOOD NEWS: The RRHOF has come under immense fire in recent years for not inducting enough African-Americans and women. This year they addressed both issues in one fell swoop.
Sadly, next year will probably be "business as usual". (Rap and Rock).
BAD NEWS: Like I said in this thread before , and this year's inductee's class proves it; "When The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame really WANTS to induct somebody, they usually find a way to DO it...even if it means bending the rules.
If that act doesn't garner enough votes to get inducted , they will "back door" that act in by the "Musical Excellence" (or Early Influence ) category."
And , that's just what they did this year. I doubt very seriously that Sister Rosetta Tharpe OR Nina Simone got enough votes to get in...so they "back-doored " Rosetta in through "Early Influence" and got Nina in...."how?" (you tell me).
MORE BAD NEWS : Neither of these women are R&B . Both skirt the BORDERS of R&B ,through the Gospel and Jazz/Blues genres...but neither are R&B .(although Nina did some in her career) So again , the same question that I've asked many times before: ...
"Where are all the R&B acts ?" Do you REALLY believe that Nina Simone got more votes than Chaka and Rufus ? And THEY haven't been able to get in.

If they "back doored" Sister Rosetta Tharpe in through "Early Influence" , why couldn't they "back door" The Pointer Sisters ,Patti Labelle & The Blue Belles/LaBelle, Mary Wells, or The Marvelettes (or even Gene Chandler or Jr. Walker & The All-Stars , for that matter) in through "Musical Excellence" ?
These acts could have just as easily addressed the "Race" and/or "Gender" issues...while at the same time , allowing six much more popular and equally deserving acts, the chance to be inducted...plus it would have conveyed the badly-needed message that, yes, R&B does indeed belong in the Hall .
I'm very glad that these two ladies got into the Hall.
The question is..."How ?"

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 14:24pm

Dezmond

I think too many people on here think in terms of post Boomer music and do not get why some artist do not get the votes. Too many of these artist do not have depth to their resume. Look at where their record sales are and look at who is willing to work with them. If you do not have the respect of established artist and the only artist who work or speak highly of you are only future artist or only from a narrow genre scope and you do not have US sales and none or only a few US artist speak highly of you the chances are that you will not get the votes.

The only song I know by them is Creep which is used on singing competition shows a bit. I am more knowledgeable about the 70s and rock, folk country and Chicago artist. I find that a number of people on here are not as knowledgeable about those areas. Nobody can know it all.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 14:46pm

Bill, I believe that Nina Simone got more votes than Ckaka Khan. Most people here believe Nina Simone got more votes than Chaka Khan. Nina Simone is adored by a lot of the inducted musicians. They have covered her songs, named music instruments after her, worship the ground she walks on. Simone was predicted by most as an inductee.

The Hall has ‘backdoored’ The “5” Royales, as Early Influences. And Nile Rodgers. But I think you’re misunderstanding the function of the Musical Influence category. It is not the category of inducting every performer that you can’t get inducted through the voting body. If they would use it like that on a constant basis, they would lose their last shred of credibility. Many would argue that they already have lost that by inducting Ringo Starr and Nile Rodgers through this backdoor. The reason that they have managed to get away with it (somewhat), is that they honoured these artists for their work other than main performer, but as session musicians and producers. If they want to induct other artists through this category, they should have a good story ready on why they are not being inducted as Performers.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 15:57pm

I predicted from the ballot reveal that Radiohead wouldn't get in. Look back over the past few years at how superficial and dumbed down... er, I mean "populist" the voting committee has become. They weren't going to get Radiohead.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 16:13pm

Zuzu,

Your opinions and musical tastes are your own. I respect everyones. No, the Radiohead one really struck me as odd in several ways. "Creep" has been covered by so many, including Tears For Fears (which I saw them perform live) to the late Prince. Radiohead's albums and such have appeared at the top of several so-called professional critics' lists. Three of their albums are on Rolling Stone's Top 500 list. And as the FRL guy tweeted, Radiohead is #73 on their Immortals list. The band has headlined several major festivals. This is minor, but as I pointed out, they have added younger voters, most if not all, journalists. All of this was not enough. I'd like to say, maybe it was the older voters that didn't vote for them. For me, Radiohead is okay; they're just one of those groups whose music I'd take or leave. If I ever see them live, I'm sure my opinion would change.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 19:34pm

Jason

Just found out something I didn't know. Radiohead covered Creep. According to Second Hand Songs it was actually written by Albert Hammond.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 20:08pm

I was not aware of that either. However, Radiohead wrote the song but then they were later criticized for the melody being too similar to "The Air That I Breathe" which was co-written by Hammond. This is all from the song's Wiki page. I always thought "Creep" sounded like Cracker's "Euro Trash Girl" in some ways.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 20:36pm

My prediction for presenters:

Bon Jovi - inducted by Bob Dylan

The Cars - inducted by Little Richard

Dire Straits - inducted by Rob Thomas

The Moody Blues - inducted by Johnny Rotten

Nina Simone - inducted by Kid Rock

Sister Rosetta Tharpe - inducted by Aldo Nova

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 21:27pm

Zuzu, I was more commenting on your assertion that they said they wouldn't come because they were behind in votes. Knowing what I know of Radiohead, they really don't care about the Hall of Fame. I'm not a huge fan, but they have three records considered by many critics and experts to be amongst the most important of the last couple of decades. None of them contain "Creep," a song the band famously hates and rarely plays. They are without a doubt one of the most significant bands since the mid 1990s. That is why so many people were a bit shocked that they were not inducted this year, their first year of eligibility.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 12/13/2017 @ 22:04pm

"The Hall has ‘back-doored’ The “5” Royales, as Early Influences. And Nile Rodgers. But I think you’re misunderstanding the function of the Musical Influence category. It is not the category of inducting every performer that you can’t get inducted through the voting body. If they would use it like that on a constant basis, they would lose their last shred of credibility. Many would argue that they already have lost that by inducting Ringo Starr and Nile Rodgers through this backdoor. The reason that they have managed to get away with it (somewhat), is that they honoured these artists for their work other than main performer, but as session musicians and producers. If they want to induct other artists through this category, they should have a good story ready on why they are not being inducted as Performers." -posted by The Claw.

That may be true , Claw, but , remember, the award is called "The Award for Musical Excellence"...not "Musical Influence".
I did some checking on the Rock Hall database, and here is what I found:

* The E-Street Band was back-doored into the HoF in 2014,instead of going in with Springsteen as Performers.

* Leon Russell was back-doored in as of 2011.

* Wanda Jackson was back-doored in as of 2009. She was actually nominated, but didn't receive enough votes, but they wanted her in, so they put her in anyway, as an "Early Influence" ..because they wanted to induct her, votes or no votes. The time frame of her recording career was clearly during the Rock Era,starting in 1955, so she actually didn't qualify as an "Early Influence". Artists from the Pre-Rock Era (Pre 1950's) qualify as "Early Influence"... but Wanda didn't. They just wanted her in, so they PUT HER IN , by any means necessary.

* Ringo Starr was back-doored in as of 2015, because he was the only member of The Beatles that never got an individual induction, and apparently, his solo recording career wasn't viewed as Hall of Fame worthy. so he was put in via "Musical Excellence".

My point is simply this:
When The HoF really WANTS to induct somebody...they usually will find a way to DO it ...even if it means bending the rules . So, why don't they do it with Classic R&B Acts ?
Actually , they DID...once;

The most noticeable and controversial example of this was that of Smokey Robinson .
It was THE MIRACLES as a GROUP that qualified for induction back in 1987...not Smokey solo. His solo career was only about 14 years old at the time he was inducted ....which meant that he did NOT qualify . But the Hall wanted him in, so they counted his time with the Miracles to let him qualify, and then took Bobby, Ronnie , Pete, Marv, and Claudette, and threw them under the bus !! Miracles Fans have been angry ever since: Even though The Miracles are now inducted, the way that they DID it was an INSULT to them, their historical importance, and their incredible influence and legacy.
And Smokey will now probably will never get that well-deserved second induction !!

My point ?

If the Hall actually WANTS to induct deserving R&B artists, that are snubbed by the voters, and they claim that they can't do it, remind them of Wanda Jackson, Freddie King,(who also got in as an "Early Influence" , even though his career was ALSO during the Rock Era), Ringo Starr , and others that rode the "E.I." and "A. F. M. I." waves right into the Hall...ANYWAY.
It's the next-best thing to a "Get Out Of Jail Free" Card !!

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 02:41am

The Hall has gone from one problem to another.
Now that they are so overly concerned with providing fan service to the crowd that has complained for years that fringe (and some big) older acts haven't gotten in, they are creating the same problem with the younger crowd.
Radiohead not getting in on the first ballot is beyond ridiculous. Regardless of one's personal taste, objectively they are a higher tier first ballot act, and have been projecting as such ever since "Kid A" was released. If this is about the group's apathy toward induction, that's a bad level of petty on the voters' bloc's part.

Posted by Johnny DuBiel on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 02:41am

Ben, Sue, KING and others,

Thank you for your continuing ongoing support of The Moody Blues. Without your support, among others, none of this would have happened. As I have stated previously, “The Moody Blues are third on my list of favorite bands, after Yes (#2) and Rush (#1).” Now that The Moody Blues are to be firmly ensconced in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, I think that would be appropriate it to choose 3 songs by The Moody Blues that you would like to see played at the induction ceremony. Although Justin has already chosen, ‘Nights In White Satin,’ I would personally choose ‘I’m Just A Singer In a Rock & Roll Band’ and ‘The Story In Your Eyes.’ What songs would you choose?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 03:24am

Dezmond

Timing on announcing a concert taking place at the same time of the ceremony is what makes the statement.

after the inductees are announced and you are one of them

publicity stunt


shortly before the inductee announcement

was planning a publicity announcement because I was expecting a win but I got an insider tip that I wasn't getting the numbers. How embarrassing. I better move the announcement up so I don't look stupid.


Shortly after announcing nominees

still publicity but not so ego ridden blatant

If you really didn't care announcing concert info wouldn't coincide with hall announcements.

See where I'm coming from.

This type of thing was a large part of the 60s and 70s. They are just copying what my generation did because they think it makes them look cool. But it doesn't because it is not for the right reasons.

Kind of like all those awards for Woody Allen.

It looks stupid.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 04:32am

Ben, Sue, KING and others,

Thank you for your continuing ongoing support of The Moody Blues. Without your support, among others, none of this would have happened. As I have stated previously, “The Moody Blues are third on my list of favorite bands, after Yes (#2) and Rush (#1).” Now that The Moody Blues are to be firmly ensconced in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, I think that it would be appropriate to choose 3 songs by The Moody Blues, which you would like to see played at the induction ceremony. Although Justin has already chosen, ‘Nights In White Satin,’ I would personally choose ‘I’m Just A Singer In a Rock & Roll Band’ and ‘The Story In Your Eyes,’ in addition to the aforementioned masterpiece. Which songs would you choose?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 04:47am

Enig,

It is so great that the Moody Blues are finally inducted. Its about time. The Moody Blues are ninth on my list of favorite artists. My top 3 is the Who(#1), Neil Young(#2) and Eric Clapton(#3). Not all my top favs are Prog. We got our wish. The Moody Blues are in and also its timed nicely with the 50th Ann of Days of Future Passed. It was first breaking through in late 1967 and was a key album in early 1968. So now that The Moody Blues are to be enshrined in the Rock n'Roll Hall of Fame I will choose 3 songs I would like to see played at the induction ceremony. You said that Justin already chose Nights in White Satin. I would personally choose Ride My See Saw and Singer in a Rock n'Roll Band. Acts usually perform popular classics. I just want to say that this is a terrific triumph. I have predicted them every year since 2010. We would discuss the Hall at my Best Buy job. I felt I should predict them until it came true. It finally has.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 06:54am

It’s entertaining to go to Facebook sites of the likes of Ultimate Classic Rock and Classic Rock Magazine and see a bunch of old, entitled, bigoted, white, cis men throwing tantrums over their favourite artists (e.g. Judas Priest) not being inducted and over non-rock artists being inducted.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 08:02am

Enigmaticus,

I'm thrilled that the Moody Blues finally made it. The three songs that I'd like to see performed are Question, Story in Your Eyes, and The Voice. The Voice was a top 20 hit and was the first of their songs that I ever heard back in 1981. Question is my favorite song of the band's with Story in Your Eyes number 2 . But I know that it is logical that they'll perform Nights in White Satin, their all time biggest hit.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 09:06am

And the songs The Actor, Voices in The Sky, Tuesday Afternoon, and Ride My See-saw would be nice to see performed as well.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 09:10am

Some interesting discussion on the RRHOF 2017-2018 Inductees. Honestly, I don't know how Radiohead would find out they weren't getting enough votes. This is supposed to be a secretive process. Sounds speculative to me. It probably worked out for everyone involved that Radiohead fell short in the voting.
Hopefully, Bon Jovi will perform Runaway. Killer song and put them on the map. Probably Wanted Dead or Alive and another number. I'm happy for The Cars and some FRL regulars who are fans of them. I think Just What I Needed and Tonight She Comes are 2 of the best. It sounds like the members get along well. They should put on a good show. Could have waited on Dire Straits but Mark Knopfler is a well-respected and revered guitar player. I think Romeo And Juliet and Money For Nothing are excellent songs. Moody Blues was the Chicago type choice. Musical excellence and longevity. It's amazing Moody Blues still on top of their game 50+ years later. Nights In White Satin still 1 of the best songs ever made. I agree with Bill G. about Nina Simone. Don't see how she would collect more votes than Judas Priest or Radiohead for example. The Zombies would be a good choice for Musical Excellence. No doubt Link Wray will be in soon in some form or fashion. 2018-2019 should be the best slate in RRHOF history. Janet Jackson still out there plus rap legend LL Cool J. Radiohead, Def Leppard, Alice In Chains, The Eurythmics, The Cure, Procol Harum, Stevie Nicks etc. There's some pretty good newcomers with Beck, Counting Crows, STP, as well. Judas Priest appears to return as well. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 09:37am

Thank you Mark Tesla and Ben,

Overall, I think that the induction of The Moody Blues was paramount. Of course, I had also voted for: Eurythmics, Kate Bush, The Cars, Nina Simone (50% of the time) and The Zombies (the other 50% of the time). I have been extremely disappointed that Eurythmics had not been inducted. If somehow, the Rock Hall had chosen 6 performer inductees, instead of five, would the Eurythmics have been inducted?

Even though I am extremely disappointed that Eurythmics had not been inducted, I think that the next logical 80’s era artist to be nominated should be Duran Duran. But, rather than being stuck in their era, like many of their contemporaries, Duran Duran’s sound has continuously evolved. Extraordinary songs like ‘Ordinary World,’ ‘What Happens Tomorrow’ and ‘What Are The Chances?,’ exemplify the maturation in songwriting of this truly remarkable band. Yes, they also deserve immediate induction into the Rock Hall in 2019.

With the upcoming induction of the late great Nina Simone, the question has been asked, who will follow her? My answer is of course, Sade. Helen Folasade Adu will be 59 years old next month, isn’t it time to acknowledge her and her namesake band with a nomination in October, 2018 and an induction in 2019. Sade will receive votes from jazz, r & b, classic rock and prog aficionados.

Although I was greatly disappointed to not see Kate Bush on this inductee list, perhaps a nomination and induction of Carly Simon would be more appropriate. Carly deserves an induction and she also has crossover appeal, not unlike Sade. So, let’s get Carly inducted in 2019, also.

King Crimson, Procol Harum and Jethro Tull should benefit from The Moody Blues’ upcoming induction, also.

Well, what do you, think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 09:58am

Now, with the holy trinity of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) having been inducted, the other members of the prog elite should now be given consideration.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 10:24am

You wouldn't think Nina Simone received more votes than Radiohead or Judas Priest (for example). However, if she did, then maybe it is the 'Gram Parsons Effect'?

That's what I call my assertion that alot of Hall members HATE Gram Parsons (these are generally people who knew him). Maybe the same is happening to Thom Yorke?

I'm absolutely sure that Radiohead will be inducted in not-too-distant future & Gram will probably get in when all those old voters have died, but let's see if Radiohead gets in next year...

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 11:16am

3 MORE FOLK AND 3 MORE PROG TO GO!

FOLK

01. Judy Collins
02. Peter, Paul & Mary
03. The Kingston Trio

PROG

01. Jethro Tull
02. King Crimson
03. Emerson, Lake & Palmer

BONUS

Phil Ochs and Procol Harum

And then it's done!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 12:39pm

Finally have had time to collect my thoughts about the induction class this year.

Bon Jovi - In my humble opinion, this is the worst inductee in the history of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Yes, even worse than Percy Sledge. They influenced zero artists of note and have provided zero innovation to the development of Rock and Roll. In terms of their specific genres, when it Hair Metal, both Def Leppard and Mötley Crüe deserve induction before Bon Jovi. Probably the main reason why I have absolutely no interest of intending the induction ceremony after going 3 of the last 4 years.

The Cars - Very happy that this group was inducted. Their eponymous debut album was way ahead of their times and in many ways one of the "first" albums of the 1980s.

Dire Straits - Not shocked that they were inducted. Mark Knopfler is a certified guitar hero and the Rock Hall loves that. Brothers in Arms is an amazing album, especially the gorgeous title track. However I'm not sure where the rest of their Hall of Fame credentials are after that album and "Sultans of Swing." I would love recommendations from folks who have a better understanding of their music. Will be interesting if they reunite or not for the ceremony. Yay drama!

The Moody Blues - King Crimson deserved induction before them. There I said it. Days of Futures Passed is an incredible album and they deserve induction into the Hall just on that album alone. However, every album after that was an attempt to copy that album, with very little change or growth as artists. King Crimson never stopped innovating going from pure Prog to proto-Prog Metal to album Art Rock, with a mix of everything in-between.

Nina Simone - I am shocked that this voting body voted her in. Totally deserving artist and thrilled that she made it. Hopefully the performance that represents her at the induction ceremony lives up to her amazing standards.

Sister Rosetta Tharpe - There was no reason for her to be nominated in the general category, given that most of her recordings were done before 1954. That being said, I am so happy she's finally being recognized by the Rock Hall for her tremendous influence to the development of Rock and Roll. I hope someone performs for her at the induction ceremony, but I won't hold my breath.

The snubs:

Kate Bush - Way to British and Alternative to ever get inducted. It's a shame.

Depeche Mode - Another 80's British Alternative giant passed over, and this one even had hits in America! I have a feeling they'll get in some day, but it will probably be at least a few more years.

Eurythmics - While both British and Alternative, they were also more soulful then others. Also they had a fairly strong presence here in the United States, which unfortunately is important. I think they could get in as easily as next year with some of the clear out that occurred this year.

J. Geils Band - After doing a review of their work I have a higher level of appreciation for them, but they are still not a Hall of Fame worthy band.

Judas Priest - Currently the 3rd biggest snub to the Hall. They are the second most important group in the development of Heavy Metal, only behind Black Sabbath. Again, I hoping with some of the Classic Rock clear out this year, that they will have better odds next year if nominated again.

LL Cool J - Biggest current Hip-Hop snub, hopefully he can use his Kennedy Center honor from this year as a springboard to induction next year.

MC5 - Another massive snub, but like Kraftwerk they are too obscure and alternative for this ignorant voting body.

The Meters - Never going to happen with this voting body.

Radiohead - Shameful. I knew it was a possibility because they were too British, too Alternative and too weird for the general voting body. Still this is a stain that they Rock Hall will never be able to clean off. This is a snub up there with Black Sabbath having to wait a decade to get in.

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan - I could see this happening in the future, hopefully not after Chaka passes, but knowing the Hall that's probably what will happen.

Link Wray - I have a gut feeling he's going to get in through the backdoor some day. Hopefully I'm wrong and he gets inducted through the regular procedures, but I have my doubts.

The Zombies - Another huge snub, but with The Moody Blues getting in this year, I have a feeling that a lot of that support could transfer here. Hopefully they get in soon.

Overall it is a decent class, but many of these choices are mindboggling (Bon Jovi) and shameful (Radiohead). There need to be changes made to the Rock Hall and they need to be made soon otherwise the Rock Hall and their pivotal mission to honoring and preserving the history of Rock and Roll is going to be in trouble.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 13:09pm

Roy

There is a lot more than 3 more folk to go.

What about the following?

The Chieftains
Steve Goodman
Arlo Guthrie
Gordon Lightfoot
John Prine

What about country artists?

Especially the outlaws
Jimmy Buffett
Melanie

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 13:10pm

I just don't think all those other folk acts will be inducted, ever! Maybe Melanie and Fairport Convention?

Judy Collins, Peter, Paul & Mary and The Kingston Trio are the Top 3.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 13:46pm

I still can't believe that Dick Dale has been overlooked all these years...He is the king of the surf guitar
Also, I wish they would consider Joe Cocker

Posted by zonker58 on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 13:52pm

Just wanted to add on to what I had written up above yesterday.

In regards to the other nominees...

I feel like Kate Bush and MC5 are a bit too on the obscure side (for now). Once more acts that were directly influenced by them start to become inductees, they'll probably look back and go for names like these.

The J. Geils Band is a group that I think gets shut down a bit too much around here. They're at least borderline and definitely wouldn't be horrible choices, but they're certainly not jumping out at you along some of these other names.

I hope Link Wray doesn't get backdoor-ed. He is a guitar hero, and the hall loves those, but a lot of voters probably only relate him to "Rumble." He can probably benefit from a less classic rock ballot of nominees though, which leads me to...

The Zombies. They're an act that I think will get in if the other classic rock nominees are weaker. They have the long lasting songs, like "She's Not There," "Time of the Season," "Tell Her No," as well as a "name" member like Rod Argent. But when pitted up against acts like Deep Purple, Kiss, the Cars, ELO, Journey, Yes, Dire Straits, and the Moody Blues, its definitely an uphill battle and they're sure to lose votes to these bands. Pit Zombies up against the likes of Procol Harum and Steppenwolf though and I think they'll soar in quite easily.

These past few years, the hall has really made an effort to go after big names that were usually placed around the top of the "snubbed" lists a lot by the general public. Who else really remains from these names? Do you think that, with these names dwindling, the more "critically praised" or alternative acts will get in? What are some bands that you foresee being a "Top 5 Fan Vote" name? The biggest one that jumps out to me immediately is the Monkees. The Monkees are one of those acts that once they get on the ballot, they're in (probably to the detriment of the Zombies again). Sure there are names like Jethro Tull, Boston, ELP, King Crimson, Grand Funk Railroad, and the Guess Who, among others, that will come up, but they've never seemed to jump out at you like the Moody Blues or Deep Purple may have. I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are.

Frankly, I hope they're able to mix it up a bit more with future inductee classes, and I really hope they just expand the amount of inductees per year, but this class really isn't that bad. I've seen a few articles now that are rightly upset that Radiohead is not in, but instead they blast the Moody Blues or the Cars and state that they're not worthy or influential. Give me a break. Statements like that diminish their arguments, in my opinion.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 14:26pm

King,

I am going to go over all the Inductees now. Its like you say Hopefully Bon Jovi wil perform Runaway, a killer song and their breakthrough hit. Probably Wanted Dead or Alive and Livin on a Prayer. Those 3 make sense. I'm glad the Cars got inducted Now. Its their 3rd try. They represent New wave this year. I like tunes on the first 2 albums as well as Magic are some of their best tunes. I didnt expect Dire Straits to pop up this year. Marc Knopfler is highly respected as a guitar player. I think Making Movies and Love Over Gold are terrific albums as well as the great Brothers in Arms album. Moody Blues is similar to the Chicago choice for 2016. Terrific earlier albums and longevity. Its amazing that They are active after over 50 years. A lot of people dont know that they opened for the Beatles back in 1965 before Justin Hayward. They were a typical British invasion band. They were just getting started. Justin joined in 1966 and they then released the mind blowing Days of Future Passed that made them so famous along with albums that followed. Days of Future Passed is a great album. They have a several great albums in my opinion. Nina Simone was a talented Jazz singer in the 60s. It shows that the Hall and many Voters are open to Jazz. She inspired a lot of Rock and pop acts. She must have gotten a lot of Votes from the older Voters over 62. 2018-19 should be a great ballot. I agree with you. Janet Jackson, Def Leppard, Alice in Chains, Procol Harum and the Doobie Brothers are all out there. More on that another time.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 15:49pm

You don't have a prog band on your list. They will definitely continue to nominate a prog band every year until they are all in. There are only 3 left: Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Emerson, Lake & Palmer. 4 if you want to count Procol Harum.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 19:46pm

Roy,

I think there will be Prog fatigue next year for the Hall so I don't think a Prog band will be nominated next year as much as I hate to say it Jethro Tull will be nominated and inducted eventually but I think it will take them a couple of years to be nominated and inducted

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 19:59pm

THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Mary Wells
02. The Marvelettes
03. The Spinners
04. Ben E. King
05. Chubby Checker
06. Dionne Warwick
07. Carole King
08. Tina Turner
09. Willie Nelson
10. The Monkees
11. Jan & Dean
12. The Zombies
13. Jethro Tull
14. King Crimson
15. Judas Priest
16. Depeche Mode
17. Beck
18. Rage Against The Machine
19. Radiohead

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 20:05pm

The holy trinity of prog: Pink Floyd, Genesis, Jethro Tull.

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 21:55pm

Tweet:
In recent years, the Rock Hall voters have rejected these artists:
Radiohead
Depeche Mode
RATM
Jane's Addiction
Nine Inch Nails
The Smiths
The Replacements
The Cure

I agree, some of these are no-brainers. But if all of them were elected, people would bitch because there were no women elected. Only one thing is for sure around here, someone will bitch no matter what the class looks like.

If I were the "no-com" I would give the "vote-com" no choice but to put through artists that are overdue. How about next year the nom-com puts through a ballot with only 10 acts:
NIN
Radiohead
The Smiths
LL Cool J
Janet Jackson
The Spinners
Kraftwerk
Dr Dre
Soundgarden
RATM

Pick 5 from that!

Or, we can put Bad Company, Doobies, or whatever classic rock band they pull out of moth balls to go in straight away.

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 22:17pm

Zuzu, your analysis might work in a vacuum, but again, you have to know something about Radiohead. Read other peoples' thoughts on Radiohead around here if you don't believe me. Whenever they do get inducted, mark my words, they will not show up. Probably the most critically acclaimed band of the last 25 years, but also notorious contrarians and their whole ethos is opposite of anything like institutionalizing the music in a Hall of Fame.

Gassman, your comments are right on. I agree with you that Bon Jovi is one of the worst inductions in the Hall's history. Zero innovation. Some good songs, sure, but "musical excellence"? Influence? How can you parse Bon Jovi's influence from other more deserving bands from their origins like, as you said, Moetley Crue or Def Leppard? Bon Jovi induction is absurd.

And 100% agree with you Gassman on King Crimson. Saw them a couple of months ago, and they STILL will blow your mind live. Innovation? Off the charts. Musical Excellence? In the stratosphere. Influence? Within their genre, few bands are bigger or relevant for longer than KC.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 12/14/2017 @ 23:11pm

I'll be honest. This was probably one of the most predictable classes of the past several years. The only unexpected piece was The Cars getting in over Radiohead.

That said, Radiohead's exclusion was a pretty big shock to me. I'm not really a fan of their post-90s output, but objectively I can't think of an artist that has debuted over the past 25 years that has had a bigger mix of popularity, consistent critical acclaim and longevity. I thought they were a total shoo-in but obviously I was wrong.

The rest of the artists who got in were all pretty predictable. I figured that Dire Straits and the Moody Blues would only need one nomination to get in, Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta Thorpe looked like the best female contenders on the ballot, and I figured Bon Jovi would get in as the headliner.

I agree that Def Leppard and Motley Crue would have been better "hair metal" representatives, but I don't have an issue with Bon Jovi's induction overall. I'm probably a bigger fan of his music than most people on here.

Looking ahead to 2019, I think that the induction of The Cars, Bon Jovi and Dire Straits is a real indication that the hall is ready to embrace the 80's decade. I think their inductions are a great sign for bands like Def Leppard and Duran Duran for next year.

I think out of the returning nominees, Judas Priest has the best chance at an induction next year. They are on the radar of the NomCom now, and have way too much influence and respect in the industry to be ignored for long.

A couple of people have mentioned Bad Company and the Doobie Brothers as potential nominees for next year. I completely agree that these two bands look like they are on track to ascend to the top of the "classic rock" heap. If either get nominated, I could see them getting in right away.

While King Crimson is in my opinion the most deserving prog band currently left out of the hall, I think Jethro Tull will be next on the NomCom's target list. They are another band that I think would breeze into the Hall if nominated.

While I don't have an issue with any of this year's inductees, the hall's lack of acknowledgement of alternative artists is starting to get a little bit uncomfortable. They are creating a really bad backlog that is now spanning 3 decades worth of artists. It's not like the NomCom isn't giving them plenty of options every year. I really feel that Kraftwerk is the band holding things up, so hopefully the voters can wise up and get them in soon.

Posted by BSLO on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 00:29am

Here’s who I predict we’ll see next year on the ballot

Bad Company
Depeche Mode
Def Leppard
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
Foreigner
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
MC5
Nine Inch Nails
Radiohead
Rage Against the Machine
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Warren Zevon

Of these 19, I predict they’ll go with

If 5
Bad Company
The Doobie Brothers
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Radiohead

Then if 6, Janet Jackson

I think it’s safe but sad to assume that Kraftwerk will never get inducted at this point until Nine Inch Nails and Depeche Mode do and that’s going to be a long as hell time until that happens with the Hall only really being interested in inducting Classic Rock artists. It’s a shame

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 04:08am

So I am surprised that neither Radiohead nor Eurythmics were inducted. If you are out there DarinRG. I was inspired partly by you to think outside my comfort zone. I really am not a fan at all of Eurythmics. I do remember they were key in the 80s. Annie Lennox gave that duo group great success. Dave Stewart is the partner in that duo. Sweet Dreams was a huge top ten hit in 1983. I recall album titles like Touch and Revenge. Now Radiohead were very key in the 90s. I know that. Creep is really the only tune I know. I know they were raved about a lot. It beats the hell out of me So ironically both acts were snubbed. That's fine with me based on my music tastes but just to be fair both acts should get a chance some time. I suppose. I suppose Eurythmics for instance may be snubbed for awhile the way Steely Dan was many years back for a few years. I thought I would put it in perspective like that.

I do like a whole lot of acts of the 80s as I have said. I personally like Duran Duran a lot more than Eurythmics as well as Simple Minds,the Go Gos and Robert Palmer. Those are just a few. How about those? Judas Priest will have other chances as well. They were a runner up for me. I think a bunch of veteran voters held them back who know nothing about heavy rock.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 08:49am

Dezmond,

I am extremely familiar with King Crimson’s early discography, with the possible exceptions of USA, which I have never owned and the 1980’s version of King Crimson, with Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Tony Levin and Bill Bruford, which in my honest opinion, is the best overall King Crimson. I am a huge suppporter of the induction of King Crimson, also. But, not everything that King Crimson has ever done has been brilliant. I personally cannot stand, “Lizard,” for example. There are times when King Crimson are brilliant: ‘In The Court Of The Crimson King,” “Lark’s Tongues In Aspic,” “Red,” “Discipline,” “Beat,” “Three Of A Perfect Pair” and “Thrak,” however.

Since it is fun to do so, let's speculate what the 2019 Rock Hall nominees list might look like:


01. King Crimson
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Sade
05. Carly Simon
06. Soundgarden
07. Doobie Brothers
08. Willie Nelson
09. Lionel Richie
10. The Spinners
12. Nine Inch Nails
13. Judas Priest
14. Motörhead
15. Twisted Sister
16. Eurythmics
17. Kansas
18. Foreigner
19. Tori Amos

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 10:13am

Dezmond,

I am extremely familiar with King Crimson’s early discography, with the possible exceptions of USA, which I have never owned and the 1980’s version of King Crimson, with Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Tony Levin and Bill Bruford, which in my honest opinion, is the best overall King Crimson. I am a huge suppporter of the induction of King Crimson, also. But, not everything that King Crimson has ever done has been brilliant. I personally cannot stand, “Lizard,” for example. There are times when King Crimson are brilliant: ‘In The Court Of The Crimson King,” “Lark’s Tongues In Aspic,” “Red,” “Discipline,” “Beat,” “Three Of A Perfect Pair” and “Thrak,” however.

Since it is fun to do so, let's speculate what the 2019 Rock Hall nominees list might look like:


01. King Crimson
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Sade
05. Carly Simon
06. Soundgarden
07. Doobie Brothers
08. Willie Nelson
09. Lionel Richie
10. The Spinners
12. Nine Inch Nails
13. Judas Priest
14. Motörhead
15. Twisted Sister
16. Eurythmics
17. Kansas
18. Foreigner
19. Tori Amos

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 10:13am

Since it is fun to do so, let's speculate about what the 2019 Rock Hall nominees list might look like:


01. King Crimson
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Sade
05. Carly Simon
06. Soundgarden
07. Doobie Brothers
08. Willie Nelson
09. Lionel Richie
10. The Spinners
12. Nine Inch Nails
13. Iron Maiden
14. Motörhead
15. Twisted Sister
16. The Cure
17. Kansas
18. Foreigner
19. Tori Amos
Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.8.17 @ 21:25pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 10:29am

Kansas, Carly Simon, Lionel Richie, and esp. Twisted Sister(????) HAVE NO CHANCE IN HELL!!! #juststopit

Posted by KXB on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 12:05pm

Enig, admittedly I am a King Crimson fanatic, but you should give "Lizard" another shot. I used to dismiss it as well (actually, Robert Fripp used to say it was crap too), but now they are actually playing "Cirkus" and an abbreviated version (only 10 minutes) of the title track on their current tour. Fripp has come around on that album, you might as well. The 80's Crimson are my favorite as well. I wasn't a big fan of the current line-up until I saw them live, and they were phenomenal. Order the "Live in Chicago" show that is available that was recorded this summer. It will really impress, I think you, and includes the "Lizard" material that you might see in a new light. And they open with a killer "Larks' Tongue in Aspic, Pt. 1" (like they did at the show I saw as well).

Anyway, I think King Crimson is one of the bigger snubs at this point. There is no excuse not to have the leaders of any genre not in by now, and KC is probably the most respected prog band ever. Which is also why Judas Priest also needed to be in long ago, as they are one of the most important metal bands.

That has been my main gripe. Regardless of whether you like or don't like a genre of music, just objectively speaking, by definition the most important artists of any subgenre of rock and roll should probably be in the Hall of Fame, right?

The voters were really stupid on leaving Radiohead out.

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 12:21pm

I think of the nominees snubbed this year will return. I expect Eurythmics, J Geils Band, Judas Priest and the Meters to return. The Hall doesnt seem to be giving up on J Geils Band. But I dont expect them to be inducted anytime soon. I know their Blues Rock history but a lot of Voters probably dont. Judas Priest may need at least a few nominations the way Deep Purple did. The problem is they need more than the typical Heavy Rock voters.

I think Janet Jackson will return and perhaps my failed prediction of Tina Turner will make it to a ballot for 2019. The Moody Blues are finally inducted. This will pave the way for Emerson,Lake and Palmer and Jethro Tull. Both well deserved. I am not predicting a ballot for 2019. This is just some thoughts.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 13:47pm

It's been a busy week for me, so just getting caught up here.

A few things in replay to recent comments I've seen here.

There were numerous remarks from people who seem surprised that Nina Simone would receive more votes than Radiohead. Keep this in mind: Last year, Joan Baez received the largest number of votes; in 2012 Laura Nyro got more votes than The Cure or Heart. There is a deep strain of voters who are very fond of that sort of very personal and artsy singer/songwriter type and they don't much care what the average fan thinks the definition of Rock And Roll is. They will vote for the musicians that they personally love.

Dire Straits: Gassman asks for recommendations of their music beyond Sultans of Swing or the Brothers In Arms album. Their entire catalog is pretty excellent, except for maybe their final album. In many ways I think of them as the British Steely Dan - meticulous craftsmen who injected their music with jazz and R&B; but Dire Straits did that with more guitar oriented rock instead of the easy listening pop of Steely Dan.

For great songwriting check out "Romeo And Juliet" which was also covered by Indigo Girls. If all you know of the first album is "Sultans Of Swing", listen to "Water Of Love" and "Setting Me Up". "Once Upon A Time In The West" from their second album, "Industrial Disease" from their fourth album. Even on their final album (which seemed like they weren't really excited about making) has "The Bug" which became a hit for Mary Chapin Carpenter.

As for other folk artists. John Prine seems to be to be a very realistic one. I'm not sure this nominating committee would nominate him; but I guarantee if he was nominated that this voting pool would induct him. His songwriting is simply too widely loved for him not to. But I think the nominating committee is largely using the singer/songwriter slot to try to shore up some of the diversity problems of the Hall. The main voting block will not induct The Spinners or Janet Jackson, but they will induct Bill Withers and Nina Simone; so that nomination slot is the only hope they seem to have that they can use to keep away from the horrible press of having exclusively white male guitar bands inducted every year. So that may keep a John Prine, Gram Parsons, or Warren Zevon off the nominations list for awhile until they see some movement in the voting block. Maybe Joan Armatrading as a next most likely target under that assumption?

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 15:04pm

Just a very early crack at a possible slate of 16 nominees for next year that would still let the committe both continue to work on some populist snubs, as well as make sure the inductees aren't exclusively made up of white men:

- A Tribe Called Quest
- B-52s
- Pat Benatar
- Bjork
- Commodores
- Def Leppard
- Eurythmics
- Herbie Hancock
- Janet Jackson
- Judas Priest
- Chaka Khan /;Rufus With Chaka Khan
- Kraftwerk
- Dave Matthews Band
- Procol Harum
- Gil Scott-Heron
- The Spinners

Posted by shrek on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 15:45pm

I read something about Judas Priest here on the site. Rob Halford read his rejection letter. The letter even Stated that it took Black Sabbath 8 nominations before they got in. Heavy metal is a tough to a lot of voters. I like some of their tunes. Breaking the Law, Youve Got Another Thing Coming and Parental Guidance are good tunes. Some voters dont agree even with those. A lot of Heavy metal music critics will have to Vote. Not enough Voters in the Hall to support them. I predicted they were possible but I wisely left them off my list.

Def Leppard is more likely group to be inducted soon as well as Foreigner. Bands like that have more chance.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 17:41pm

Ceremony predictions:

Cold Opening:
Tedeschi Trucks Band playing "Midnight Rider"

Dire Straits Inducted by: Sting

Songs:
"Money For Nothing" (With Sting)
"Romeo And Juliet" (With Amy Ray) - Excluded from telecast
"Sultans Of Swing" (With Derek Trucks)

Sister Rosetta Tharpe video with a brief note of appreciation from Little Richard (who is likely too infirm to make the trip to Cleveland)
Induction by: Mavis Staples

Song:
"Strange Things Happening Every Day" by Mavis Staples, Brittany Howard, and Susan Tedeschi

The Cars Induction by: Billy Corgan

Songs - all with Billy Corgan sitting in place of Ben Orr:
"Just What I Needed"
"My Best Friend's Girl" - Excluded From Broadcast
"Drive"

Nina Simone - Inducted By: Elton John

Songs:
"Ain't Got No, I Got Life" - By Mike Mattison and Elton John - Excluded From telecast
"Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" - By Eric Burden and Elton John
"Sinnerman" - By Rhiannon Giddens and Elton John

In Memorium segment with video and Tedeschi Trucks Band playing Tom Petty's "American Girl"

Moody Blues Inducted By: Neal Schon

Songs:
"Your Wildest Dreams"
"I'm Just A Singer In a Rock N Roll Band" - Excluded From Telecast
"Nights In White Satin"

Bon Jovi inducted by: Chad Kroeger

Songs:
"Dead Or Alive"
"Runaway" - Excluded from telecast
"Livin' On a Prayer"

Ending Jam:
Fats Domino's "I'm Walkin'" followed by Allman Brother's "Whipping Post"

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 18:25pm

The idea that the RNRHOF doesn't like prog isn't exactly accurate now as it once was. The RNRHOF now contains:
Pink Floyd
Genesis
Rush
Yes
Moody Blues (not really prog, but symphonic rock/pop in their early days, close enough)

If you want to see overlooked genres, then look at 80's/90's alternative bands like The Smiths, Depeche Mode, The Cure, NIN, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, etc. who are stuck in RNRHOF purgatory.

I can only see another 2 or 3 prog acts that have a chance of being inducted:
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
ELP would be a real stretch.

That's it.

Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 12/15/2017 @ 22:26pm

I had needed to amend that last statement:

Dezmond,

I am extremely familiar with early King Crimson, with the possible exceptions of “USA” and “Earthbound,” which I have never owned. However, in my honest opinion, the 1980’s version of King Crimson featuring: Adrian Belew, Robert Fripp, Tony Levin and Bill Bruford, is the best version of King Crimson.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/16/2017 @ 03:54am

Shrek,

Why do you think that Neal Schon will induct The Moody Blues and not, the members of Rush, instead?

Classic Rock,

Although, I agree that King Crimson and Jethro Tull are also the most likely prog inductees, then please tell me why do you think that Supertramp, Roxy Music, Procol Harum and Blue Oyster Cult, will not be? By the way, I do agree that ELP might also be a stretch, as well.

Here are the remaining prog artists who I think will be inducted:

Jethro Tull
Duran Duran
King Crimson

Supertramp
Roxy Music
Kansas
Boston
Styx
Asia

Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Blue Oyster Cult
Jefferson Starship

Dream Theater
Tool
Mastodon

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/16/2017 @ 09:59am

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Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12/16/2017 @ 10:23am

Enig,
Supertramp - love them, not prog, not a type of band that the hall will recognize

Roxy Music - will get in eventually, not prog

Procol Harum - slim chance they get in still, almost prog early in their career

Blue Oyster Cult - I'm a fan, not prog, don't think the hall will ever recognize them

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 12/16/2017 @ 10:48am

Classic Rock,

The holy trinity of prog are: Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues.

The unholy trinity of prog are: King Crimson, Genesis and Jethro Tull.

;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/16/2017 @ 13:18pm

Enig,

I was going to say that Blue Oyster Cult is not Prog. They are a more basic style Rock band from Long Island. Some stuff like Astronomy is kinda prog but stuff like Godzilla and others are not.

Your other choices like Supertramp is Prog. Not a hit like Logical Song. But stuff like the albums Crime of the Century and Even in the Quietest Moments are.

Supertramp have some chance of induction. Blue Oyster Cult who are Not prog I have often joked would be inducted in 2027. Thats not far from the Truth. They are NOT going in 2 soon

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/16/2017 @ 14:13pm

Great plan for the show, Shrek! I like what you've done almost wholly. My only real critique is that 1) I would expect women of color to play a more prominent role in Nina Simone's induction, however that plays out. and 2) A reluctance to use the same people two years in a row, which does not bode well for Neal Schon and Amy Ray. I'm going to stand by my prediction that Alan Parsons will induct Moody Blues.

I love the idea of Rhiannan Giddens being part of the Simone tribute, though.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Saturday, 12/16/2017 @ 14:27pm

Ben,

Actually, Blue Oyster Cult consider themselves to be a prog band, I had read it in PROG Magazine a few years ago. I will have to find the specific article later.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/16/2017 @ 15:25pm

Enigmaticus,
Wouldn't Pink Floyd be in your holy trinity of progressive rock icons? I just searched on Google for Progressive Rock Artists and Pink Floyd is literally the first artist that appears. I agree thou that Yes, Moody Blues, and Rush are among the best in that genre. Although I'm not the biggest Pink Floyd fan, I think they are one of the biggest first-ballot snubs in R&R HOF (David Bowie is another one who should've gotten in his first year of eligibility). In terms of future progressive rock HOF inductees, I think Jethro Tull is probably the next one to appear on a ballot. But I think the HOF should form a subcommittee for Alternative and New Wave acts because they are getting no respect from voters (akin to Hip-Hop/Early Rock/Progressive Rock subcommittee groups that the Nom Com has used in the past). It's ridiculous to think The Smiths, Depeche Mode, The Cure, Nine Inch Nails, and now Radiohead (?!?) are not already in the HOF. Kate Bush, Eurythmics, Replacements, Sonic Youth, Soundgarden, Jane's Addiction, New Order, Joy Division, and many others should also be considered again too. I do have hope The Cars' induction will allow for more Alternative and New Wave acts to not only get nominated but receive induction too.

Thanks for posting my list Richie. Outkast and Beck are the two big first-year eligible artists next year, so I would expect one of them (if not both) to make the shortlist in October.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 12/16/2017 @ 15:56pm

Nick,

out of the two big first-year eligible artists (Beck and OutKast) I would say that Beck has the better chance to make the shortlist because as much as I love OutKast I think they'll stick with LL Cool J as the only Rap act to get nominated for a 2nd year in a row just like N.W.A did for two years in a row (2015 and 2016) and Tupac in 2017 and next year is probably his last chance for induction because Biggie will become eligible the year after (in 2020) Jay-Z (in 2021) and Eminem (in 2022) and I think next year will finally be his year for induction because it will be back in New York (LL's hometown) and it will also be the 35th anniversary of Def Jam Recordings (he was the first artist signed) and also he'll have his own SirusXM channel called Rock The Bells Radio starting early this year coming up and don't forget that he recently became the first Hip-Hop/Rap artist to ever receive a Kennedy Center Honor so I think next year would be the perfect time to induct him so I'll say that he'll finally get over the hump and they'll finally induct Rap's first solo superstar next year back in his hometown of New York and he'll make it in just in time before Biggie Jay-Z and Eminem all become eligible

Posted by richie on Saturday, 12/16/2017 @ 16:34pm

richie,

Good to see you on here. You are right that there have been recent years without a person of color. You said next year may be like 2012, 2014 and 2016. You are right there was no person of color in 2012 or 2014. But there was a person of color in 2016. There was a whole group of color. NWA was inducted in 2016. What may have thrown you is that Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Chicago and Cheap Trick were all inducted. They are all Classic Rock. But there was NWA inducted that year. They did Not perform because the ones in charge of the ceremony did not approve of their song selection. I dont know any music of NWA but I do know they didnt perform as protest. They were inducted though.

Last year the person of color was Tupac Shakur. Yet another year with Rap. This year Rap gets a break but the great Nina Simone is inducted. A superb Jazz vocalist of the 60s.

Next Year could be the year for LL Cool J or perhaps R&b will get a spot instead with Janet Jackson or Tina Turner. I predicted both for this ballot but it didnt happen. The Spinners also have a chance. Mainly I wanted to correct you on 2016. You may realize this by now.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 10:54am

Nick:

The holy trinity of prog are: Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues.

The unholy trinity of prog are: King Crimson, Genesis and Jethro Tull.

The holy trinity of space rock are: Pink Floyd, Soft Machine and Hawkwind.

;-)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 11:26am

My early list of potential 2019 nominees:

Procol Harum
King Crimson
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Sade
Sting
Kate Bush
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Tina Turner
J. Geil’s Band
Eurythmics
Depeche Mode
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
The Spinners
The Meters
The Zombies
Willie Nelson
Garth Brooks
T.L.C.
L.L. Cool J.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 12:02pm

Enigmaticus -
As far as Neil Schon vs members of Rush inducting Moody Blues; I just sort of thought that Geddy Lee had just helped with the induction of Yes last year, so he didn't seem likely to make the quick return. While Schon was there last year for Journey's induction, he made more sense to me for a return trip to honor somebody else. Plus Journey's blend of prog and pop is a more natural evolution from the Moodys than Rush's style though Rush does cite the Moodys as an influence.

As far as Prog bands - under your broad umbrella of the term - I'd say Roxy Music will absolutely get in if they are ever nominated; Duran Duran should be once the HOF barrier against 80s MTV bands eventually breaks down.

Jethro Tull seems very likely to.

I love King Crimson, but they aren't that mainstream, I could see them having the same sort of problems getting in as KRaftwerk have. Not well known in America despite being absolutely huge influences on so many American bands.

Roxy Music is a natural - huge critical acclaim, huge number of bands that claim them as influences. If they ever clear the nomination committee, I think they may go in on their first ballot.

Supertramp and Asia I don't think will ever be nominated. Boston has a higher chance but I think their limited output hurts a bit.

With the populist movement going on, Styx might someday get a shot, but I think they are behind a bunch of bands (Foreigner comes to immediate mind) for that route.

ELP may get nominated, but likely would be a tough sell to the bigger voting body.

BOC I think is viewed more as a Metal/Hard Rock band and thus stis well behind many other of those bands.

Tool I think absolutely will be nominated - Majorly innovative, major success, big influence on following bands. But I think they are waiting on Nine Inch Nails, Janes Addiction, and Rage Against The Machine, all of whom have a certain amount of influence on components of their sound.

Dream Theater seems a reach. Mastodon has another decad before they are even eligible, so it's impossible to predict how much more mainstream they might become in those years; but overall they are likely to be seen more on the Metal lineage than the Prog one and are behind a ton of bands due to that.

Jefferson Starship will never be in or even nominated. Jefferson Airplane is already in, and that will be seen as enough.

I like many of these bands, a few I don't - I don't really take that into account - just an honest assessment of where I think they all lie in relation to the directions of the nominating committee, the large voting block, and in the larger popular culture for ongoing fan support/advocacy.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 14:58pm

Alex -

I almost put Mary Blige in that Simone tribute; but then I also thought Mattinson was already there under my sceanario and underused. He is a great vocalist; one thing I miss since Tedeschi Trucks formed was that Mattison is mostly just a backing vocalist now. He provided great lead vocals for Derek Trucks Band. And I thought his voice would work well on a Simone tune and it would be interesting to demonstrate that her impact went far beyond following black women singers - she influenced performers of multiple ethnicities and many differing genres of music; so my tribute is designed to underline that fact.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 15:04pm

Shrek,

Thank you for your response. Although I do agree that Journey does show some influence by The Moody Blues, Rush would have several reasons to induct The Moody Blues:

1. Rush had always aspired to be the world’s smallest symphony orchestra; this is their most direct Moody Blues link.
2. Rush does also have that tendency towards philiosophical lyrics.
3. Personally, I think fan bases of both Rush and The Moody Blues would love to see the members of both bands play together in Cleveland.
4. The Rock Hall and HBO likes to choose an artist who will sell tickets. Rush sells tickets; Rush fans will pay outrageous prices for tickets,
5. Cleveland was also the city where Rush had broken into the American market and had been discovered by WMMS program director, Donna Harper.
6. Rush had filmed one of their major last concerts in Cleveland: Time Machine Tour: Live In Cleveland (2011).
7. The Rush fans in Cleveland have been extremely disappointed that they did not stop in Cleveland.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 16:07pm

Shrek,

Thank you for your response. Although I do agree that Journey does show some influence by The Moody Blues, Rush would have several reasons to induct The Moody Blues:

1. Rush had always aspired to be the world’s smallest symphony orchestra; this is their most direct Moody Blues link.
2. Rush does also have that tendency towards philiosophical lyrics.
3. Personally, I think fan bases of both Rush and The Moody Blues would love to see the members of both bands play together in Cleveland.
4. The Rock Hall and HBO likes to choose an artist who will sell tickets. Rush sells tickets; Rush fans will pay outrageous prices for tickets, even over $1.5K to see them in concert.
5. Cleveland was also the city where Rush had broken into the American market and had been discovered by WMMS program director, Donna Harper.
6. Rush had filmed one of their major last concerts in Cleveland: Time Machine Tour: Live In Cleveland (2011).
7. The Rush fans in Cleveland have been extremely disappointed that they did not stop in Cleveland.
8. Rush just seems like the most natural fit. The members of Rush were hugely influenced by British prog artists.
9. The Moody Blues four year long hiatus had opened the door for Rush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 16:12pm

Shrek,

Although I do agree that Roxy Music does have an impressive resume, I think that most American fans are only familiar with ‘Love Is A Drug’ and their final brilliant masterpiece, “Avalon.”

On the other hand, even though Duran Duran may be British, they are extremely well known and loved in the U.S. Bassist John Taylor lives in California and Simon Le Bon and Nick Rhodes have made frequent visits to the U.S., especially New York City. Plus, it was in the American market where Duran Duran had first achieved major success.
I think with this year’s nominations of Eurythmics and Depeche
Mode and the upcoming induction of The Cars, the MTV barrier has been crossed. Chances are that if Duran Duran happen to receive a nomination in October, 2018 then they will be inducted into the Rock Hall in April, 2019.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 16:27pm

Just thought I'd catch up on this thread since its been a crazy week! I was going to do a write-up on the acts that didn't get in but we're on the ballot- turns out most of you took the words out of my mouth. I'll just go ahead and do a little commentary of my own:

I'm surprised a lot of people are shocked about the Eurythmics. I really didn't see them getting in on first try. Maybe a year or two from now. Sadly for Kate Bush, she may be a one-time wonder like all the other 80s acts that have appeared on the ballot, until the "right time" comes. I have a feeling once Kraftwerk finally gets in, this will definitely open the door for several 80s pop/new wave/MTV acts. Don't worry about Tom Morello's favorites, MC5 and Judas Priest...they'll be around as long as he's on the NomCom. The Meters may have to be a backdoor induction sometime down the road, because I don't know what it will take to get them in. Same for Link Wray. I know I've said this before, but I honestly don't know what the whole big deal is with Rufus/Chaka Khan. I just think several people in that genre deserve it more than her (Diana Ross (solo), Patti LaBelle, you get the idea). And lastly, I hope the Zombies will get in; that goes for several other ignored 60s groups. If all else fails for the Zombies, maybe a back-door induction for just Rod Argent. I know you all will hate me for that.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 17:59pm

As for next year, I so can't wait to do another ballot of 19 acts. Except this one will be hard because there's a lot of deserving first-time eligible acts that may appear. From Beck to Sheryl Crow, there was something special about 1993. That and 1994 were two of my favorite years in music as I was growing up.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 18:02pm

My early predictions for next years nominees:
1. Rage Against The Machine
2. Radiohead
3. Depeche Mode
4. Judas Preist
5. MC5
6. Beck
7. OutKast
8. Kraftwerk
9. Janet Jackson
10. The Spinners
11. Gram Parsons
12. War
13. The Smiths
14. Soundgarden
15. Roxy Music
16. Kate Bush
17. Emerson Lake and Palmer
18. Def Leppard
19. LL Cool J
20. The Meters

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Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 18:58pm

So, considering Radiohead (and to a lesser extent RATM) couldn't live up to their alleged shoo-in reputation, do we expect Beck to have better luck and reception among voters next year?

Posted by Paul K. on Sunday, 12/17/2017 @ 23:59pm

Remember the question:
Can you tell the story of Rock and Roll without them?

Of the list, the only one I say the answer is "Yes" to is Dire Straits.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 12/18/2017 @ 02:11am

Shrek,

Thank you for your response. Although I do agree that Journey does show some influence by The Moody Blues, Rush would have several reasons to induct The Moody Blues:

1. Rush had always aspired to be the world’s smallest symphony orchestra; this is their most direct Moody Blues link.
2. Rush does also have that tendency towards philiosophical lyrics.
3. Personally, I think fan bases of both Rush and The Moody Blues would love to see the members of both bands play together in Cleveland.
4. The Rock Hall and HBO likes to choose an artist who will sell tickets. Rush sells tickets; Rush fans will pay outrageous prices for tickets, even over $1.5K to see them in concert.
5. Cleveland was also the city where Rush had broken into the American market and had been discovered by WMMS program director, Donna Halper.
6. Rush had filmed one of their major last concerts in Cleveland: Time Machine Tour: Live In Cleveland (2011).
7. The Rush fans in Cleveland have been extremely disappointed that they did not stop in Cleveland.
8. Rush just seems like the most natural fit. The members of Rush were hugely influenced by British prog artists.
9. The Moody Blues four year long hiatus had opened the door for Rush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12/18/2017 @ 05:58am

Enig,

Always good to chat with you on here. We finally got our Wish for the Moody Blues to be inducted. Now I just want to know if any members of the famous Orchestral lineup have died. A friend that a pre Justin H member died. But what about the famous line up that created Days of FP and In Search of the Lost Chord. Get back to me. Most of them are certainly alive and well.

It is a very good question about who will induct the Moody Blues. I do NOT think it will be Journey. I like Journey but I have never associated them with immense influence by the Moody Blues. In thinking about it now I do agree also that they show some influence. Now Rush show tremendous influence by the Moody Blues. There is however others even more likely to likely to induct the Moody Blues. The members of Yes are very likely to induct the Moody Blues! Yes like Journey were inducted last year. There is also Ian Anderson that is veryy likely. Others to consider are Robert Fripp,Pink Floyd and members of Porcupine Tree. I think it may be someone from the era.

This has happened many times. I will remind everyone that the Grateful Dead inducted Jefferson Airplane and Bruce Springsteen inducted Jackson Browne. It could be a modern person too.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/18/2017 @ 10:02am

Ben,

To answer your question about the members of the Moody Blues, there were 9 official members of the band during in it's entire history. Of those 9 only one member has passed away.

The lineup that is being inducted into the HOF are Justin Hayward, John Lodge, Graeme Edge, Ray Thomas, and Mike Pinder which is the 5 man lineup during the prime of their career starting with 1967's Days of Future Passed all the way to 1978's Octave. Denny Laine who was the original vocalist, guitarist and de facto front man of the group from 1964-1966 is also being inducted. From 1964-1966 the band included Denny Laine, Mike Pinder, Ray Thomas, and Grame Edge and two bass players, the first being Clint Warwick who is the only Moody Blues member to pass away (he passed away in 2004), and his brief replacement, Rodney Clark. In 1967, Clark and Laine were out of the group and replaced by Justin Hayward and John Lodge thus being the beginning of the prime lineup of the band.

In 1978, Mike Pinder, their long time keyboard player retired from the band and he was replaced by Patrick Moraz who was their keyboard player during their run in the 1980's. He left the band in 1991 and later sued the group over it.

The band remained a 4 piece until 2002 when Ray Thomas retired from the band. The band stayed as a trio to this day along with supporting musicians.


Hope that info helps.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 12/18/2017 @ 12:54pm

While on the subject of the Moody Blues, I want to give a shout out to one of my very favorite songs of theirs that doesn't get near the credit it should.

That being "Lunch Break/Peak Hour" off of the Days of Future Passed album. Yes, "Nights in White Satin" and "Tuesday Afternoon" are classics, but "Lunch Break/Peak Hour" (especially the "Peak Hour" part) is absolutely masterful and one of the Moody Blues' most "jamming" tunes.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 12/18/2017 @ 12:58pm

While on the subject of the Moody Blues, I want to give a shout out to one of my very favorite songs of theirs that doesn't get near the credit it should.

That being "Lunch Break/Peak Hour" off of the Days of Future Passed album. Yes, "Nights in White Satin" and "Tuesday Afternoon" are classics, but "Lunch Break/Peak Hour" (especially the "Peak Hour" part) is absolutely masterful and one of the Moody Blues' most "jamming" tunes.

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 12/18/2017 @ 12:58pm

Donnie,

Thanks for the info on Moody Blues. I wasnt sure if anyone in the Moody Blues has died. Everyone in the famous lineup is still alive. Thats cool. I think with all the demand for the Moody Blues the Hall didnt want to blow it this time. After all there has been so many deaths in Rock in the last 2 years. So this way the Moodys are inducted while they are alll alive.

Also they are still active on the concert circuit. The Moody Blues are probably one of the very last groups that will get inducted with a 50+ year career. There is a bunch of other key acts from the 1960's that still need to be inducted but most of them retired or broke up years ago. There are lots of groups with 40+ year careers that were prominent in the 70s still around but I dont there is very many that go back as far as the Moodys to be inducted.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 12/18/2017 @ 21:09pm

Hello everybody!

It has been nearly a week since the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announced who will be the inductees into their Class of 2018. Since I had been rather busy with work, family, friends and Christmas/Holiday commitments; it had been a while for me to posit my thoughts on this class. Fortunately, I do have some time to discuss this.

First and foremost, the RRHOF declined to induct the J. Geils Band. I personally am pleased with this decision; they were overrated and at no point in their career did they matter. So in turn, Jann Wenner's pet nomination is thankfully put aside, at least for now.

Now, onto the 6 inductees. I do not have any complaints about who got in this year. My only regret is Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Benjamin Orr of The Cars, and Nina Simone never did get to see the day they would be going in the RRHOF. None the less, it is an impressive class.

Sister Rosetta Tharpe was in many ways the first important female rock star, and the first important religious-to-secular crossover artist. Nearly every important artist and group in the rock idiom can trace their influence in some form or another back to Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Plus she was an impressive songwriter and electric guitarist which was a rarity at the time.

Bon Jovi are a solid, consistent fan favorite. It has amazed me that Bon Jovi has managed to last this long, shifting from hair metal to arena rock to what I suppose has been a more roots rock oriented style in recent years. Jon Bon Jovi himself has become a highly regarded philanthropist, particularly in the US Northeast.

Nina Simone was a unique artist, nominally in the jazz idiom. Yet Ms. Simone, in her capacity as a songwriter, singer and pianist, was possibly the best in her time that could emote the travails and occasional accomplishments of being an African-American woman in her life.

The Cars are a personal favorite of mine. They infused punk, new wave, power pop and later on synth pop that was instantly identifiable and quite catchy. Not many bands can claim to have at least two albums which were both artistic statements and defined specific eras of the band. A great act that bridge the album and video eras in rock history.

Dire Straits are finally inducted. Mark Knopfler is to this day one of the best songwriters in his field, and a great guitarist who has a distinctive voice. What made Dire Straits excellent I believe were the lyrics Knopfler and John Ilsley conjured up, telling stories that are unique in approach and craft.

The Moody Blues are progressive rock's early pioneers. Hearing any album of theirs, in particular the core seven of 1967-1972, is akin to going on a sonic journey that leaves you feeling different and fulfilled. Justin Hayward has one of the best voices and personalities in pop music over the past half century.

Of course, there is a lot to complain about. Not inducting Radiohead or Rage Against The Machine right off the bat is a glaring omission which I hope is corrected. Same goes for LL Cool J and The Eurythmics and Kate Bush and Link Wray getting snubbed. Never the less, it could have been a worse situation. In that the J. Geils Band could have gotten in and would not have deserved it.

In short, my sincerest welcome to these artists upon now becoming members of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This is an important honor, one that I think eclipses other honors in the music industry these artists might have or will later receive.

Happy Holidays to all!,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Monday, 12/18/2017 @ 22:16pm

Hi Richie, if that's the ballot, I'd say:

Judas Priest (fan ballot winner)
Def Leppard
Janet Jackson
Rage Against The Machine
The Spinners

And *maybe* The Smiths as pick #6.

Tough group to predict! Removing classic rockers- or most of them anyway- shakes this up. My guess is Outkast and LL Cool J take votes away from one another, Radiohead remains in the doghouse, and Beck fails to catch fire. Still, it's hard to imagine any bad class coming from this group, although I emphatically do not think Def Leppard is hall-worthy.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Tuesday, 12/19/2017 @ 08:20am

Happy Holidays to you, Lax!

Pretty sure Radiohead & RATM will get in soon enough.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 12/19/2017 @ 09:44am

"Remember the question: Can you tell the story of Rock and Roll without them?"

Follower, I think you can easily tell the story of Rock and Roll without ever uttering the words "Bon Jovi."

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 12/19/2017 @ 09:58am

richie

I took your choices from both scenarios, included all those I felt were totally worthy and made a 21 piece ballot for the 2019 ballot. Take your 8 picks.

Beck
Depeche Mode - Induct
Gram Parsons
Janet Jackson - Induct
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk - Induct
The Marvelettes - Induct
MC5
The Meters
Nine Inch Nails
Outkast - Induct
Radiohead - Induct
Rage Against the Machine
Roxy Music - Induct
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners - Induct
War
Warren Zevon

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 12/20/2017 @ 06:09am

As Nicky Joe did, here's my 8 inductees from the 21 mentioned above:

Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
The Marvalettes
Outkast
RATM
The Smiths
The Spinners
War

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 12/20/2017 @ 07:02am

I am from BRazil and here the cars have never made much sucess only with Drive that was one the 50 most played songs in Brazil in 1984.Dire Straits it is a great band,the only rock album my mother has haha.Never heard about the moody blues.Nina simone is a great singer and even that she didn't sang rock a lot of of other inductees hasn't,like miled davis and stevie wonder.livin on a prayer was the most played song here in brazil in 86 and they say rosetta created rock n roll so she should be in a long time ago

Posted by Mateus Pontes on Thursday, 12/21/2017 @ 03:15am

My early predictions for next year's nominees:

I've made a slight change in my early predictions for next year's nominees I've taken out OutKast from my list because I think they would split votes with LL Cool J and I won't be replacing OutKast with anyone so without further adieu here's my revised list of My early predictions for next year's nominees:

Beck
Kate Bush
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
Emerson Lake & Palmer
Janet Jackson
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
MC5
The Meters
Gram Parsons
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Roxy Music
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners
War

after three straight years of Classic Rock dominance I think there'll be some Classic Rock fatigue next year, there'll be a few nominated (like a second consecutive nomination for Judas Priest as well as first-time nominations for Def Leppard and Emerson Lake & Palmer). but not as many as the last three years so I think they'll focus on other genres that have been overlooked like R&B/Soul, (I'm predicting a third nomination for Janet Jackson as well as fourth nominations for The Spinners and War and a fifth nomination and second consecutive for The Meters). Punk, (a fourth nomination and third consecutive for MC5 and a first-time nomination for Roxy Music). Alternative/Electronic, (second consecutive nominations for Radiohead and Rage Against The Machine a third consecutive for Depeche Mode a third for The Smiths a fifth for Kraftwerk and first-time nominations for Soundgarden and the newly eligible Beck). Hip-Hop/Rap, (a fifth nomination and second consecutive for LL Cool J). and Singer-Songwriters, (a second consecutive nomination for Kate Bush and a fourth for Gram Parsons).

if that's the ballot we get for next year then who do you guys see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 12/21/2017 @ 14:07pm

richie (and Sheri)

It's been eight days since the inductees were announced, and you've already posted prediction lists for next year's nominees eleven times. That's more than once per day. You need to dial it back. Big time. I think I speak for the majority of the regulars here when I say we're not gonna remain tolerant/pleasant about this if this is gonna continue the whole year long.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12/21/2017 @ 22:11pm

I am not making any Early predictions for next year's nominees. I will at least wait until 2018. I am happy to say that the Moody Blues will NOT be on that list for the first time basically. Thats all I have to say about that.

Congrats to the great Moody Blues on their long awaited induction. There are no quarrels within this Classic group. Now I want to be clear that despite my great love for the Moody Blues I dont think they will headline. The tradition is for the most popular act of that Class to Headline. It is debateable if Cheap Trick was the most popular for 2016. I think the Hall felt that Cheap Trick were popular with no quarrels. There was some quarreling in Deep Purple and Chicago. Pearl Jam was clearly the most popular last year. I am NOT the biggest fan but they were the most popular name overall even though I would have preferred that Yes had headlined. The Hall is accepting prog Now but lets NOT expect too much from them.

This year I expect Bon Jovi. They are the most popular overall. The biggest crowd pleaser. Like Yes I expect the Moody Blues to have a spot somewhere in the middle.

I tbink tbe Dire Straits will open or there will be a tribute to Tom Petty to open. What is everybody's thoughts on the order of acts for the ceremony in April. This is a cool discussion.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/22/2017 @ 09:25am

Ben

There is no question that Chicago was the most popular group of 2016. The problem was that the anti Chicago and anti Peter Cetera group was active on the internet muddying the waters.

The Brainiacs at the hall still refuse to admit their stupidity and still define Chicago as a jazz rock fusion band. They were an ECLECTIC ROCK FUSION BAND. I really wish people on here would stop reinforcing the jazz fusion bs.

It was stated that if Peter Cetera would be there that Chicago would get the jam. Notice that somebody really went out of their way to see that Peter Cetera didn't show up. Didn't they??????

It all goes back to PC saying he uses RS to wipe his dupa when he takes a dump.

Journey is more popular than Pearl Jam. There is no question about this. The hall was just pandering to the kids. Do you really think that if Steve Perry sang that Journey would have got the jam? They were idiots for not having Feeling That Way/Anytime. Very important for the 2 part song.

Which brings up what they had Chicago play and what they should have played. should have been

Ballet for a Girl in Buchannon - have Marty Grebb do Terry's part. Only one that came close to what Terry did.

Feeling Stronger Everyday

Take Me Back to Chicago - have Chaka Khan sing the preach section like she did on the record. Good idea if you really are trying to get Rufus inducted.

end Jam 25 or 6 to 4


For the record, anybody with a good math grounding especially in stats or business accounting who was paying attention knows Chicago wasn't the controversy.

Now to bring home the point that push ahead inductions are not as important as the should have been inducted a long time ago.

Since we are talking about a bunch of Cubbies here I will use that to prove my point. Yes members of Chicago and Cheap Trick and Jonathan Cain of Journey and Eddie Vedder are all Cubbies. Bet you didn't know that.

in 2008 Eddie Vedder wrote a song for the Cubs Go All The Way. Billy Corigan, another Cubbie accused him of jinxing the Cubs. Now last year when the Cubs won the World Series did they play Eddie Vedder's song since he showed up? NO!!!
They played Steve Goodman's Go Cubs Go over and over and over again.

By the way just a reminder - When Jimmy Buffett, yes another Cubbie, played in Chicago, Huey Lewis opened for him. By the way Jimmy Buffett opened with Go Cubs Go. Okay he was playing in Wrigley Field, but he did also play another Steve Goodman song.

I don't know but maybe the real question should be when are they going to make Sox fans happy and nominate Styx and REO.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 12/22/2017 @ 11:48am

Zuzu,

I haven't comment on any posts for awhile. It is absolutely true that Chicago was the popular group of 2016. I wrote my post in a confusing manner. I said the Hall felt that Cheap Trick were popular with no quarrels. I should have written that differently. I simply meant that Cheap Trick were having no quarrels. There was some quarreling in Deep Purple and Chicago. There was the quarrel between Peter Cetera and Chicago. And like you said there was the feud between the Anti Chicago group and the Anti Peter Cetera group. It is a fact that if Peter Cetera had been there they would have headlined.

I will rephrase that traditionally the headliner is the act that the Hall feels will give the best Jam. The Hall has tended to make the Headliner an act where almost all of the famous lineup is there. So foolishly they chose Cheap Trick as the headliner.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/22/2017 @ 12:47pm

Ben

Thanks for clarifying what you meant. I didn't mean to jump on you personally.

It is mainly my frustration with trying to get people to see that any of the artist out of the Chicago area from the mid 60's to the mid 80's were already highly influential before they came on the national scene because of the number of artist from the area. Everybody knew everybody. Some even before they started performing locally. Many of them lived very close to each other.

First off Chicago and Journey should have been first year eligible inductions. The fact that they took this long is complete bs. Chicago may have been tight because of the 60s backlog at that point, But guess what? That would have been a ballot that was actually worthy of having 8, 9 or even 10 artist inducted. If they had done it right instead of their garbage dump ballots.

If they had wanted to Peter Cetera would have been their. Instead the hall blatantly and shamelessly fueled a division that was obviously brought about largely due to guilt several members felt over Terry Kath's death. If you know anybody that died under unexpected circumstances you would know that you blame the person that died, you blame yourself and you blame others. It's a large part of the grief process and coming to terms with a death.

It boiled down to Peter Cetera not trusting them. James Vincent, who was in the Exceptions with Peter Cetera said that when they were playing at the clubs and a celebrity would come up to sing on stage that they didn't like that they would play in a different key to make them sound bad. Remember those back and forths about key. Sounds very much to me that Bobby and company were out right telling Peter that if he showed up they intended to f him up by playing in a key that would make him sound bad. You really think the hall couldn't stop that nonsense?

Basically the hall is trying to appeal to Gen-ex. This is going to come back and bite them with younger Millennials who would be better enticed with Country and Folk and mid rock or soft rock.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 12/22/2017 @ 14:07pm

I'd like to see Radiohead, Roxy Music, Joy Division, Björk, Chìc, Janet Jackson, The Spinners and Patsy Cline be inducted next year.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 12/22/2017 @ 16:13pm

So getting back to the 2018 ceremony. I feel that Bon Jovi will be the headliner. I love the Moody Blues much more. I have made it clear that I am a huge fan. I certainly would want the Moody Blues to headline but I doubt the Hall would agree with that. I see the Hall picking Bon Jovi as the headliner. There is after all a focus on the 80s this year. There are not gearing to kids with any inductees this year. The average Bon Jovi fan is 45-50 years old. That is very close to my age.

Personally I like a bunch of their hits. I own their Gr. Hits.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/22/2017 @ 18:41pm

As far as Bon Jovi I own Crossroad. It is a Gr Hits cd. So I do like a bunch of Tunes from Bon Jovi. The old 80s hits. I am huge fan with their albums. They were one of the most successful Hard rock acts of the 80s.They had a wider appeal than other Hard Rock acts.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/23/2017 @ 14:06pm

As far as Bon Jovi I own Crossroad. It is a Gr Hits cd. So I do like a bunch of Tunes from Bon Jovi. The old 80s hits. I am huge fan with their albums. They were one of the most successful Hard rock acts of the 80s.They had a wider appeal than other Hard Rock acts.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/23/2017 @ 14:06pm

Major correction. I AM NOT a huge fan with their albums. I think I owned one once. Soo NOT a huge fan but Bon Jovi is certainly OK. The Moody Blues are great. People like me, Sue and Enig love them but I do admit that they dont have completely wide appeal which the Hall tends to pick as a Headliner.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/23/2017 @ 14:40pm

Ben,

I do not own any Bon Jovi albums. They had been nominated previously in 2011, therefore their previous nomination may have something to do with the order of induction. Didn’t Journey win the fan vote this year? Yet, they did not headline; Pearl Jam did. The Moody Blues had never been nominated previously, yet they had garnered nearly 950,000 votes. It is possible that The Moody Blues will co-headline the ceremony, as well. If I were to venture to guess what would be the order of induction, it might look like this.

The Cars
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Dire Straits
Nina Simone
The Moody Blues
Bon Jovi

Of course, here is another possibility:

Dire Straits
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Nina Simone
The Cars
Bon Jovi
The Moody Blues

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/23/2017 @ 15:46pm

Ben,

I do not own any Bon Jovi albums. They had been nominated previously in 2011, therefore their previous nomination may have something to do with the order of induction. Didn’t Journey win the fan vote this year? Yet, they did not headline; Pearl Jam did. The Moody Blues had never been nominated previously, yet they had garnered nearly 950,000 votes. It is possible that The Moody Blues will co-headline the ceremony, as well. If I were to venture to guess what would be the order of induction, it might look like this.

The Cars
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Dire Straits
Nina Simone
The Moody Blues
Bon Jovi

Of course, here is another possibility:

Dire Straits
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Nina Simone
The Cars
Bon Jovi
The Moody Blues

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/23/2017 @ 15:46pm

Enig,

That line up with Moody Blues followed by Bon Jovi is veryy possible. The 2 most popular inductees back to back. This has happened before quite a bit. In 2010 there was Genesis followed by the Hollies. In 2013 Heart was followed by Rush.

What happened with Yes? Yes were NOT right before Pearl Jam. Journey was right before Pearl Jam I recall. I will check that. But I know Yes was in the middle

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/23/2017 @ 16:21pm

Enig,

I remember now. It was the Lenny Kravitz Prince tribute Followed by Pearl Jam. Yes was in the middle somewhere. However, the Moody Blues omission has been a complaint even longer than Yes I think. The demand has been intense so they could co headline. I am willing to say that Bon Jovi is the most popular overall this year.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/23/2017 @ 17:50pm

"I'd like to see Radiohead, Roxy Music, Joy Division, Björk, Chìc, Janet Jackson, The Spinners and Patsy Cline be inducted next year." -Nicky Joe

Yeah, that class would be a definite breath of fresh air. But, I'm predicting that we end up with something closer to Air Supply, Toto, Winger, Pat Benatar and Spinal Tap.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 12/23/2017 @ 23:39pm

Enig,
What is your theory about Why Yes performed in the middle of the 2017 Ceremony? I want to see if its the same as mine. Pearl Jam headlined. Overall its hard compete with Pearl Jam. A very famous 90s act.

Im trying to think of what could be different with the Moodys this year. I think maybe they have slightly wider appeal than Yes. I love both. Lots of others dont love both but Love Moodys. Let me know.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 10:12am

Ben,

I honestly have no idea why Yes was the third inductee during the 2017 Rock Hall ceremony. I could only venture to guess that It may have something to do with the number of nominations that Yes had received, prior to their induction.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 11:02am

LOL

Air Supply, Winger and Spinal Tap don't stand a chance in hell and Totos chances are paper thin. Only Pat Benatar stands a reasonable chance at induction.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 12:53pm

I think that what they could do to salvage the Rock Hall and make it respectable would be to start with firing the entire voting committee. Some of them would get their jobs back, some wouldn't. If people wanted to be voters they'd have to pass a test, submit votes on a couple sample ballots and submit an inductee wishlist. If they could demonstrate knowledge, acceptance and understanding of a wide range of eras, styles and subgenres, from the pioneers to the newly eligibles, they could get their jobs back. I'd also look outside the major label/major publication circle jerk for voting talent. There are lesser known writers for local weeklies and websites, lifers in the retail and distribution end of the industry and members of the Rock Hall watcher and music history online communities that are far more broadly knowledgeable that some of the major publication writers that are voting now. I'd make a point to have a significant bloc of international voters (and my one change to the mostly decent NomComm would be to add a few more British and European voices) and make sure that there would be large segments of the committee who demonstrated knowledge and acceptance of areas such as R&B, Rap/Hip Hop, Alternative, Metal and Electronic. Being inducted would no longer bring with it automatic voting membership. Inductees who wanted to vote would go through the same application and testing process as anybody else to eliminate the current cronyism and glut of older, out of touch voters who have no knowledge or understanding of very literally half of the eligible timeline. There would be a minimum of six artist inductees every year and two from side categories. The fan ballot could stay as is, but if they are in any way manipulating the final class based on the fan ballot results, that would end. Also, if they are bumping inductees for failing to kiss the Rock Hall's ring, that would end, too. The Rock Hall has the entire world of potential voting talent to choose from, there's no excuse for them getting smoked by obscure hobbyist websites.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 14:25pm

I'd make a point to have a significant bloc of international voters (and my one change to the mostly decent NomComm would be to add a few more British and European voices) and make sure that there would be large segments of the committee who demonstrated knowledge and acceptance of areas such as R&B, Rap/Hip Hop, Alternative, Metal and Electronic.

This is the Rock and Roll hall of fame

It is not the music of Gen-ex hall of fame.

The need to fix up their mistakes and make amends.

The need to tell the actual story of rock and roll and not this bs version.

What you are endorsing only makes it worse.

Remember Rock and Roll is the music of the Boomer Generation!!!!!!

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 15:11pm

LOL. Now why am I not surprised that one of the head cheerleaders of the out of touch crowd would have a problem with that suggestion.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 17:14pm

This was my idea for the nominating committee:

1. Remove all record company executives.

2. Make it so that there's no more than one member from any organization - magazine, band, etc.

3. Keep it at an even 30 permanent members.

4. Each member would sit out every third year, putting 20 permanent members on the committee any given year.

5. Bring in 10 temporary members each year. A temporary member cannot serve on the committee more than once in a five year period.

Another idea I thought about: Add a suggestion space on the ballot. The artist that receives the most write-in suggestions is automatically added to the ballot the following year.

Posted by dmg on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 17:46pm

Those are actually pretty interesting ideas. I haven't had much problem with the nominating committee since the changes a few years back --I think that any ruts that they've been showing have, at this point been the fault of the Voting Committee--but, 5 or 10 years up the road it could be a totally different story. Having a rotation to keep a fresh perspective and rules to limit professional favoritism would be a solid direction to move in.

I'd also add Robert Hilburn back to the NomCom. The guy has a freakish gift of being able to identify who the truly culturally important artists of each generation are. At age 78 he understands the 90s artists who are becoming eligible better that a lot of people half his age. I'm not sure exactly why he was part of the purge, but he's a valuable voice to have around from what I've seen.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 19:03pm

Darin

The ridicule routine does nothing to win an argument. Interesting that the push ahead crowd tends to use that technique when faced with an opposing point of view.

Out of touch?

So who is responsible for the guitar becoming a lead instrument?

Who is King of the Dusties and why are they important?



You don't mention lack of country artist, folk artist and omg the biggest lack women.



Maybe you need to look at what gripes the ones who actually EARNED the RIGHT to be in the voting body have. The hand picked members of the voting body are the problem along with the nom com. The voting body is not a rubber stamp for garbage dump ballots put out by the nom com.



DMG

You need to add more women to the nom com

One of the big gripes is that the process is not open. Remember the DC5 scandal? You think that is the only time? The nom com needs oversight and they need to be blocked from manipulating the voting process. Who knows how many artist have been inducted instead of somebody else.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 20:05pm

Zuzu,

Rock and roll is Boomer Generation music?
Try again.

The Boomers began in 1945, so they weren't teens when Bill Haley and the Saddlemen (as they were then known) were touring high schools and testing their new sound on the teenagers there to determine its viability and marketability.

Who made the guitar the lead instrument? Elvis deserves a lot of the credit, as does Chuck Berry. And their first fans weren't Boomer who were pre-teens when both broke national. Those first fans were "greatest generation" older siblings of Boomers.

Who is King Of The Dusties?
Answer: NO ONE EFFING CARES! Because NOBODY outside of the greater Chicago metropolitan area uses the word "dusties." They are called oldies, sometimes goldies for pre-rock pop records (also called the Nostalgia format), forgotten 45s and closet classics, but nobody else calls them dusties. Herb Kent is a local icon to Chicagoans only. Period. He belongs in the Radio Hall Of Fame, but not the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. He is not at the same level as Alan Freed, Tom Donahue, or even Wolfman Jack.

So yes, Darin is right with the out of touch label.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 21:00pm

Zuzu,

Rock and roll is Boomer Generation music?
Try again.

The Boomers began in 1945, so they weren't teens when Bill Haley and the Saddlemen (as they were then known) were touring high schools and testing their new sound on the teenagers there to determine its viability and marketability.

Who made the guitar the lead instrument? Elvis deserves a lot of the credit, as does Chuck Berry. And their first fans weren't Boomer who were pre-teens when both broke national. Those first fans were "greatest generation" older siblings of Boomers.

Who is King Of The Dusties?
Answer: NO ONE EFFING CARES! Because NOBODY outside of the greater Chicago metropolitan area uses the word "dusties." They are called oldies, sometimes goldies for pre-rock pop records (also called the Nostalgia format), forgotten 45s and closet classics, but nobody else calls them dusties. Herb Kent is a local icon to Chicagoans only. Period. He belongs in the Radio Hall Of Fame, but not the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. He is not at the same level as Alan Freed, Tom Donahue, or even Wolfman Jack.

So yes, Darin is right with the out of touch label.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 21:00pm

Philip

Again ridicule does not win arguments - it only emphasizes ignorance.

You also need to actually do a little fact checking
about the Boomers and Herb Kent. You so obviously did only a cursory check.

Who is out of touch? Sounds like it is the people who need to ridicule to cover their ignorance.

You also don't know about the lead guitar either.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 22:09pm

Really Zuzu? Because the only ridicule of you specifically that I engaged in was agreeing that "Out of touch" was apt.

Fact: The Baby Boom, aka the Boomer generation is widely accepted as happening between the years 1945 (though '46 might be more appropriate, as the origin point of the Baby Boom is largely credited to the end of WII) through 1965.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 23:45pm

Fact: Bill Haley and his group toured high schools in the early 1950s to test this new sound that they were putting together, and seeing how teenagers, whom they wanted to appeal to, would like it. After discovering that it was a hit with teenagers, as a way to thank the teens, they recorded "Crazy, Man, Crazy," which incorporated two popular slang sayings of teenagers at that time: the labeling of things as "crazy," and the chanting of "Go!" That was in 1953. Anyone who was a teenager at that time, by simple process of mathematics, would have had to have been born between 1935-1940, since there probably weren't many aged 19 in the high school. Any Boomers would have been 8 at the oldest. Rock and roll predates Baby Boomer appeal.

Fact: Chuck Berry broke onto the national scene in 1955. Elvis was charting on the country charts around the same time, and began his domination of the pop charts the following year. Chuck Berry is widely considered the figure "who made the guitar the lead instrument" with his unmistakable sound and lyrics that spoke to the teenage culture, which in '55 still would not have included Baby Boomers. Elvis, to complement Berry's musical foundations, gave the guitar its animal magnetism appeal with his appearances on the Ed Sullivan Show, where he danced and kept singing, which is impossible with an aerophonic instrument, like the saxophone, and EXTREMELY difficult to do with a piano or keyboard. Those are primarily what made the guitar the lead instrument.

Corollary: "Guitar as the lead instrument" is a different statement than "lead guitar," which some have argued began with the Ventures, pioneering the "3 guitars and a drum set" format for bands. That could arguably be said to have begun with Boomers since this would have been 1960 by now, but that's only if you accept the premise. Either way, it still happened before the British Invasion.

Those are the facts that I laid out to you in my previous post... WITHOUT ridiculing you. You have not addressed a single point with any facts of your own. You have deflected by simply accusing me of ridiculing you, which again was AFTER I laid the facts on you, and continuing to assert that I'm ignorant while offering NO facts of evidence of your own. That's not a personal attack. That's just the facts. It is, after all, also a common ploy to cover one's ignorance by laying blanket statements that say nothing while bringing nothing to the table either.

Re: Herb Kent... other than a stamp from the U.S. Postal Service, there's nothing to suggest that he had any cache of his own outside the Chicago market. I don't buy that he launched the career of Smokey or the Temptations. "Motown." Enough said. Curtis Mayfield... also no, the Impressions were a national act before Kent began his career, and Mayfield had his connections in the biz by the time he decided to go solo. Minnie Riperton... even if I bought that one, so what? I don't think she's particularly Hall-worthy either. His reach never really got beyond Chicago, and not out of the state of Illinois. Local legend. Big name in some respects, but not upper tier. It'd be like me saying Ernie Harwell should be in the Baseball Hall Of Fame for all his years of radio announcing for the Detroit Tigers. It doesn't wash. But by all means, if you've got evidence that shows he was ever an important name to people in Los Angeles, New York, St. Louis, etc., enlighten me.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 23:53pm

*WWII

And apologies for the multiple posts. I had it as one long post, and it kept tripping FRL's spam filter, so I had to break it up to find out what the problem was.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12/24/2017 @ 23:55pm

And it doesn't change the fact that nobody uses the term "Dusties" either. That bit of coinage is entirely irrelevant.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12/25/2017 @ 00:01am

Fact: The Baby Boom, aka the Boomer generation is widely accepted as happening between the years 1945 (though '46 might be more appropriate, as the origin point of the Baby Boom is largely credited to the end of WII) through 1965.

wrong one opinion

Baby boomers are the demographic cohort following the Silent Generation. There are no precise dates for when this cohort starts or ends; demographers and researchers typically use starting birth years ranging from the early-to-mid 1940s and ending birth years ranging from 1960 to 1965.

There are various opinions on start and end dates.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12/25/2017 @ 00:14am

And it doesn't change the fact that nobody uses the term "Dusties" either. That bit of coinage is entirely irrelevant.

As somebody does use the term dusties this is not a fact but your personal opinion. Your opinions are not fact,

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12/25/2017 @ 00:18am

Nevertheless, the widely accepted time frame for Baby Boomers is that it began post-World War II. Seriously, the first search result I found states 1946-1964, with most other results within a year or so on either side of the numbers.

But nice job of copying and pasting directly from Wikipedia.

And you're being purposely obtuse about the term "dusties." The point is, it is not a term of significant consequence in relation to the evolution and perpetuation of rock and roll music. It's not even a term of significant consequence to the broadcast radio industry, of which I have been a part of and can speak to from personal experience. And even if you don't wish to believe me, you can look up the breakdown of radio programming formats. The terms used are "Oldies" and "Nostalgia"... They're not called "Dusties" stations. That term is void outside of the Chicago market.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12/25/2017 @ 00:48am

Crazy, Man, Crazy - Beat slang

1955 is officially considered the start of the rock and roll era. Yes I am aware that some try to argue that earlier works should also be considered rock and roll.

I suggest you look up the Carter scratch and Lesley Riddle


You think is only your opinion and not fact. Others say that he did help launch these artist.

facts
Herb Kent

inducted into the Radio & R&B halls of fame

Guiness record for longest running dj 70+ years

The Defender has some quotes from artists

https://chicagodefender.com/2016/10/26/herb-kent-voice-of-black-chicago-passes/

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12/25/2017 @ 01:30am

That term is void outside of the Chicago market.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12/25/2017 @ 01:33am

That term is void outside of the Chicago market.

Are you sure? I heartradio v103 is continuing the Dusties program in Herb Kent's memory.

By the way Chicago radio has a 250 mile radius and covers 7 states.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12/25/2017 @ 01:39am

Nevertheless, the widely accepted time frame for Baby Boomers is that it began post-World War II. Seriously, the first search result I found states 1946-1964, with most other results within a year or so on either side of the numbers.

The point is the years vary. Significant events shape a generation. People generally do not remember events before age 3. This is why years were moved up. It's what you remember that matters not the year of birth.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12/25/2017 @ 01:47am

Nevertheless, the widely accepted time frame for Baby Boomers is that it began post-World War II. Seriously, the first search result I found states 1946-1964, with most other results within a year or so on either side of the numbers.

The point is the years vary. Significant events shape a generation. People generally do not remember events before age 3. This is why years were moved up. It's what you remember that matters not the year of birth.

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 12/25/2017 @ 01:47am

First off, there is no "official" start to the rock and roll era. 1955 is widely and handily referred to as the start of the "Rock era" because that's when rock and roll first hit the #1 spot. And actually, that has even been debated. Some have argued that the Crew Cuts' cover of the Chords' "Sh-Boom", it 1954 should be considered the first #1 rock and roll record, as it was a cover of an R&B record. Not to mention both big hit versions of "Shake, Rattle, And Roll" also came out in '54, along with the Crows' "Gee," and maybe also the Spaniels' "Goodnight Sweetheart Goodnight" (that last one may have been '55, going off the top of my head here). So no, 1955 isn't quite so ironclad after all. It doesn't make "Crazy, Man, Crazy" any less rock and roll because it came out in '53. And it doesn't change the fact that they wrote the song that way because it's what they heard the teenagers saying in the schools they were performing at. Maybe the teens got it from beat culture, but Haley and his band got it from the teens. You are trying to dance around the facts surrounding that song, but it won't work.

And even if WGN and other Chicago radio stations can be heard in such a wide circle, it doesn't make the Chicago market all 7 of those states. Put bluntly, you are overstating the importance of Chicago radio, and Chicago itself in the evolution of rock and roll.

And the fact that the show is called the Dusties show in honor of Kent should tell you exactly how small time it is. The term isn't used in any other capacity anymore except to refer to the man. You're talking about a word that did not spread beyond the Chicago market (even if the broadcast signals can reach so far), did not become a significant part of the lexicon that helped evolve and perpetuate rock and roll, and is now inextricably tied to the one man who first coined the term. It's Kent's catchphrase, you might say. It's his, and only his, and whenever it's used by anyone else, it's only as a tribute to him, and really not so much to describe the music he played. That music is called "oldies" now, Zuzu. That's a radio industry term to describe an actual format. Not "dusties." "Oldies." You may as well accept that, because that is a fact. That's not my opinion.

And yes, significant events shape a generation... in this case, the end of WWII, and the return of the soldiers from Europe and Asia led to the creation of all those babies. The end of WWII is the event that most social scientists agree kicked off the baby boom. I seriously wonder how you are even in denial of this.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12/25/2017 @ 02:45am

So glad the Moody Blues are in this year. So deserving for so very long. We all have our favorite bands for various reasons but how about Crowded House and the great 60's band Spirit(who should get in for no other reason than the album "12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus").

Posted by Tom Twardowski on Wednesday, 12/27/2017 @ 01:49am

Yes indeed so many of us like me also are glad that the Moody Blues are in this year. They have been so deserving for so long. Crowded House are possible some day.I would not expect them in that soon. A nomination is possible in a couple years. Spirit is a band I like but I dont know of they would ever get inducted. Not every good act does.

Some others I expect in the near future are Duran Duran, Cindi Lauper,The Replacements, Jethro Tull and Steppenwolf.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 12/28/2017 @ 10:21am

Enig,

I was looking at your prediction list for the 2019 Nominees. One of them anyway. I agree that Procol Harum, Duran Duran, Jethro Tull, Sade and Sting are some of your choices I agree with. Also I agree with Tina Turner among others.

Now that the Moody Blues are finally inducted I think both Procol Harum and Jethro Tull are very fine prog choices. I am still NOT posting any list of my own 2019 nominees.

I do want to say also that some members of Yes can very possibly induct the Moody Blues. I am surprised you haven't considered that. It would make sense that members of another prog group would induct the Moodys. It doesn't have to be Rush.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 12/29/2017 @ 13:33pm

Ben,

Although I would not object to various members of Yes having the privilege of inducting The Moody Blues into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, I think that Rush would definitely be a better fit. If we happen to regard Electric Light Orchestra as the sons of The Beatles, then in my honest opinion, Rush are certainly the sons of The Moody Blues.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12/30/2017 @ 01:11am

Enig,

I see what you are saying. I know that you are huge Rush fan. They are your favorite band. I don't know Rush the way you do. I only own Rush Gold. I don't hear the Moody Blues influence too much in their hit tracks. I know lots of their popular tunes like Temple of Syrinx, Closer to the Heart, Spirit of Radio, Freewill, Tom Sawyer, Red Barchetta and Subdivisions. I know long tracks like Xanadu. That one shows a great deal of influence from the Moody Blues. I owned 2112 over 30 years ago. I recall a lot of Moody Blues influence on the 2112 album. I know you can elaborate on this.

I know Yes much better. That's why I thought perhaps Yes could induct the Moody Blues. It could also be Ian Anderson of the great Jethro Tull. Others like Robert Fripp come to mind. I know you may respond to this. Please do.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 12/30/2017 @ 15:57pm

Ben,



I would strongly suggest that you purchase a copy of Rush’s two greatest live recordings: “Exit... Stage Left” and “Clockwork Angels Tour.” Then consider purchasing the following studio albums: “Roll The Bones,” “Presto,” “Power Windows,” “Clockwork Angels,” “Snakes & Arrows,” “Test For Echo,” “Hold Your Fire” and “Counterparts.” Also, I think that after you have done so, then you may enjoy such masterpieces as: ‘Dreamline,’ ‘Ghost Of A Chance,’ ‘Available Light,’ ‘The Garden,’ ‘Mystic Rhythms,’ ‘Jacob’s Ladder,’ ‘The Camera Eye,’ ‘Losing It,’ ‘Faithless,’ ‘Time & Motion,’ ‘Prime Mover’ and ‘Nobody’s Hero,’ to name but a few.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/31/2017 @ 00:26am

Enig,

I will look into at least a few of those. I have heard of the titles Roll the Bones,Presto and Power Windows. I only know the tune Big Money on Power Windows. I know the known tracks from Hold Your Fire. I think I need to hear the albums to hear the influence of the Moody Blues. My overall knowledge of Rush is limited to Rush Gold for the most part.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 12/31/2017 @ 07:39am

Ben,

If you are only interested in purchasing Rush compilations, may I then suggest “Retrospective III?”

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12/31/2017 @ 14:49pm

I was reading a great article by Donnie on his blog. I figure the same Donnie on here. I think the article says it all. I agree with a lot of it. I am not going to repeat most of the article. I will say that I love Classic Rock. We have called it that for decades. Rock from the 60s and 70s and some 80s. I do like quite a bit of 80s as well. That area has been ignored a lot until very recently.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01/3/2018 @ 12:16pm

So I will elaborate a little. For roughly the first 15 years of the Rock Hall there was very little controversy. The classes were right on the money. It is hard to make mistakes when each year you have the Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who, Ike and Tina Turner, Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Led Zeppelin, Allman Brothers Band and Crosby, Stills and Nash being inducted.

By the 2000s like Donnie said things got trickier. New genres were not dealt with as much like punk, heavy metal, electronic, disco, reggae, new wave/synth pop and hip hop were more neglected. Prog certainly was ignored on the basis that critics hated it.

The 80s were completely ignored except for megastars. Those are Michael Jackson, Prince, U2,REM, Metallica and Madonna. The article continues on. Its an article that sums up the dilemma. I love Classic Rock but I dont feel it should lack diversity. Now Journey, The Cars, Dire Straits and Bon Jovi have been inducted. Acts like Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Cindi Lauper, Judas Priest, Def Leppard and many other 80s acts still need to be inducted.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/4/2018 @ 07:51am

Ben

Truth be told, I don't feel like the Hall of Fame would allow for the induction of Cyndi Lauper at this given point or in many years to come.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 01/4/2018 @ 09:44am

Nicky Joe,

There are many 80s acts I can see Nominated and inducted. Some others are the Bangles, Aztec Camera, The Smiths, XTC,Joe Jackson and the Alarm. How are those choices?

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/4/2018 @ 10:48am

I think there will be an announcement for additional inductees this year; addendums! Wings! The Belmonts!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01/5/2018 @ 20:56pm

Gonna plug the blog here. Inviting you all to take a trip through the massive undertaking I did and keep doing.

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2018/01/say-it-with-song-great-playlist.html

Posted by Philip on Friday, 01/5/2018 @ 23:37pm

2018 Inductees ranking in "rock rankings" on this site:

The Cars 129
The Moody Blues 141
Dire Straits 161
Bon Jovi 254
Nina Simone 11 (on influences list)
Sister Rosetta Tharpe 9 (on influences pre-rock era list)

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 01/6/2018 @ 16:04pm

The Hall of Very Good just announced their inaugural class:

BTO
The Commodores
Devo
The Doobie Brothers
Foreigner
Johnny Rivers
Peter, Paul, and Mary
Three Dog Night
Tommy James and the Shondells

Congrats to all!!!

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 01/9/2018 @ 22:25pm

Howard Stern could be the presenter for both, Bon Jovi and The Moody Blues.

Peter Asher, Smokey Robinson and Robbie Robertson were the last to present for more than one inductee in the same year, but their speeches were collective.

2014: Andrew Loog Oldham, Brian Epstein by Peter Asher

2012: Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd, Glyn Johns by Robbie Robertson

2012: The Blue Caps, The Comets, The Crickets, The Famous Flames, The Midnighters, The Miracles by Smokey Robinson

Howard Stern would give two separate presentations, one for Bon Jovi and one for The Moody Blues.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01/17/2018 @ 20:28pm

Roy,

I am sorry, but having Howard Stern induct both bands is a really terrible idea, in my honest opinion. PROG needs to induct PROG, or so to speak. The Moody Blues deserve to be inducted by the members of Rush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 01/18/2018 @ 01:31am

Yeah I don't see Howard Stern inducting two bands anyway. Anybody that was influenced by The Moody Blues should do it like Rush. If not them how about either Alan Parsons, a member of Pink Floyd, Ian Anderson or Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree?

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 01/18/2018 @ 01:49am

So I did read that Howard Stern will induct Bon Jovi. That does make sense. I recall that Howard Stern had Bon Jovi on his show a couple time back in the 80s. It was either the whole band or Jon Bon Jovi.

However, it is a terrible idea to have Howard Stern induct 2 bands. It is reallyy out of place to have The Moody Blues inducted by Howard Stern. I totally agree with Enig on this. Prog needs to induct Prog. They deserve to be inducted by Rush or some other prog act. Ian Anderson and Steve Wilson are some other great choices. I know some tunes by Porcupine Tree.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/18/2018 @ 08:56am

There's a gnawing suspicion I have that Jon wanted Howard Stern to induct Bon Jovi so that he can have Howard, in typical Howard fashion, to spew all the vitriol at the Rock Hall establishment for overlooking Bon Jovi for so long, as well as similar acts, and then the band can go up and act all classy on stage, knowing that everything they REALLY wanted to say has already been said by the King Of Shock Jocks.

And having Howard induct the Moody Blues is an absolutely stupid idea. I don't even know how Roy even got the idea.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 01/18/2018 @ 11:46am

Howard Stern said he wanted to give the induction speech for The Moody Blues too!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01/18/2018 @ 13:30pm

I'm sure Howard would like to give all induction speeches :-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 01/18/2018 @ 15:00pm

It's still a dumb idea. The only Performers they've done that with were the special committee add-ons. They're not gonna do it with the main course.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 01/18/2018 @ 15:04pm

It is a dumb idea and it just won't happen. There has never been a presenter for 2 acts in the Performer category. It has happened a whole bunch of times with special categories like Musical excellence.

Also I am sure Howard Stern would love to have inducted Alice Cooper and Cheap Trick. It did NOT happen. Certainly NOT with the Moody Blues. They are a Prog act and would want someone kinda similar to induct them or The Hall itself would choose someone appropriate. The Hall has missed the mark before but this one is too obvious. Bon Jovi makes some sense for Howard Stern. I believe they are friends.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/19/2018 @ 13:16pm

So we have speculated a lot about the presenter for the Moody Blues. Does anyone have thoughts on a presenter for the Dire Straits. I can think of a few. Eric Clapton is a great choice. Would John Mayer be possible? I can't think of others right now.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01/20/2018 @ 14:04pm

Ben,

In my honest opinion, Sting should induct Dire Straits.

Rush should induct The Moody Blues

Duran Duran should induct The Cars.

By the way, how have you been doing lately?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/20/2018 @ 14:37pm

Ben,

In my honest opinion, Sting should induct Dire Straits.

Rush should induct The Moody Blues

Duran Duran should induct The Cars.

By the way, how have you been doing lately?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/20/2018 @ 14:38pm

Enig,

I am fine these days. Thanks for asking. Ive been busy with work somewhat. I do a lot of Clerical work for my Elderly Dad who cant do that anymore. Its been slower with that lately. I like Blowing off steam
with this site. My time on this site parallels the help for my My Dad. Sooo anyway I am fine.

Soo Sting is a key choice for the Dire Straits that would work well. I mean sang with them on their biggest hit. Who can forget Sting singing I want my MTV. Duran Duran inducting the Cars makes sense. Im sure there other choices.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01/20/2018 @ 17:18pm

Sting for Dire Straits
Rivers Cuomo for The Cars
Rush or Steve Wilson for The Moody Blues
Rhiannon Gibbins for Nina Simone
Little Richard for Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 01/20/2018 @ 20:22pm

I have really enjoyed the comments about who will induct the bands for the class of 2018. I am not sure about the other groups.
I am a hard core Moody Blues fan. Now that Denny Laine has been included I think Sir Paul McCartney may do the honors. Denny was a member of Wings from start to finish and the Beatles toured with The Moody Blues back in the early days. Other possible presenters may be Ian Anderson and/or members of ELO. Bev is friends with John Lodge and they are all from the same part of the UK and played the same clubs back in the day. There has to be a tribute to Tom Petty so Jeff Lynne will probably be there anyway. I am just not sure about Rush. Who knows? I mean Steve Miller posted that the RRHOF picked. I do not think Howard Stern will do two bands...but remember it is the RRHOF!
I was happy to see that the regulars here are doing well and I send wishes for a very Happy New Year to everyone and Happy Birthday Enig.

Posted by Sue on Sunday, 01/21/2018 @ 00:02am

Sue,

I just know Sir Paul M loves the Moody Blues. Bedides the fact that the Moody Blues opened for the Beatles. The Moody Blues early on in their most famous period influenced some of the music on Magical Mystery Tour. Still I dont think Sir Paul will induct them. Ian Anderson and ELO members are more likely choices. I am confused on your Steve Miller reference. Explain that.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01/22/2018 @ 11:00am

Steve Winwood is more likely to induct the Moody Blues. Mr. Winwood is a living legend and it will assist him in getting a 2nd induction. Prog fans running out of complaints. ELO, Rush, YES, now Moody Blues inducted. Procol Harum should have been inducted before all these bands. They have been overlooked for too long. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 01/22/2018 @ 23:34pm

King,

I am pondering about Steve Winwood. Traffic and the Moody Blues certainly co existed in the same era and they are both British. I do think someone British may induct the Moody Blues instead of Rush. However, I think Ian Anderson is one of the most likely. It would assist Jethro Tull in getting an induction. Prog fans are indeed running out of complaints. Jethro Tull have been overlooked too long.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01/23/2018 @ 09:51am

I covered my opinion on a presenter for the Moody Blues. I am a huge fan as I have made clear. Now as far as the other inductees. It is common knowledge that Howard Stern will induct Bon Jovi. There is nothing more to add there. It makes sense. I think Duran Duran or Debbie Harry could induct The Cars. Blondie and the Cars were popular at the same time. They were 2 of the first successful new Wave bands. Rivers Cuomo is possible. Weezer were produced by Ric Ocasek I think.

In my opinion either Eric Clapton or Sting are likely for Dire Straits. Now I thinl Elton John is a great choice for Nina Simone. That one can be tricky. Those are all my thoughts on presenters right NOW.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/26/2018 @ 14:11pm

Sue,

I will turn 56 in 8 more days. But thank you for the Happy Birthday wishes, in advance.

Ben,

Thank you for agreeing with my choices of inductors.

Shrek,

I am terribly sorry to hear that your daughter had put you through that sort of ordeal. Your ability to demonstrate patience is extremely noteworthy and is a testament to your virtues. Although I like Janet Jackson’s work as an actress; I find extreme difficulty in appreciating anything that she has done otherwise, especially those lip synching dance routines which I find to be far too physically exhausting. If I had wanted to watch dancing, I would prefer to watch a ballet, or a modern dance troupe, instead.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 01/26/2018 @ 18:04pm

The Rock Hall is going to want some way to get younger viewers to watch the show, so I think they'll be approaching younger/more recent artists to do the inductions of the Cars and Nina Simone. Maybe Sister Rosetta too.

Dire Straits seem like they'll have some respected peer of theirs to do their induction, a la Clapton, Collins, or most likely Sting. Moody Blues could get another peer like Steve Winwood.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 01/26/2018 @ 20:35pm

UPDATE!

THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

21 LIVING WHITE MEN

2 DEAD WHITE MEN

2 DEAD BLACK WOMEN

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01/26/2018 @ 20:46pm

Mavis Staples or Bonnie Raitt for Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, Tina Turner, Elton John or Sting for Dire Straits

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01/26/2018 @ 20:51pm

The new issue of Rolling Stone magazine with Bono on the cover has a page that talks about the 2018 Rock Hall inductees. The picture they used for the Moody Blues is from their original line-up with Clint Warwick, who isn't being inducted. Justin Hayward, who is being inducted, not pictured.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01/26/2018 @ 21:09pm

Steve Z,

I agree that the Rock Hall is going to want some way to get Younger viewers to watch the Show. So I think Rivers Cuomo of Weezer is a possibility as a presenter for the Cars. Weezer was produced or discovered by Ric Ocasek I think. I can think of Mary J. Blige and Jennifer Hudson as possibilities. Actually even Michael Buble is possible even though I dont like him at all. He did A version of Feelin Good.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01/29/2018 @ 07:58am

Steve Z, Ben,

I don't know how much I buy that theory, to be honest. This class skews pretty heavy towards the Boomers. The Hall may want peers that Boomers want to see on stage with the inductees. Boomers do love to see young people get up and declare their love for their music, as opposed to the music of their generation or even their own. But I don't know that anyone for Weezer would. It's a lovely thought though.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 01/29/2018 @ 12:19pm

Philip,

The debut album of Weezer was produced by Ric Ocasek in 1993. Thats why I came up with that. Someone else mentioned Rivers Cuomo as a presenter for the Cars. It can also be someone like Debbie Harry though. The Cars coexisted with Blondie as major acts.

In the case of Nina Simone there is a few younger performers to choose from.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01/29/2018 @ 19:05pm

I am pleased with this year's Class especially the Moody Blues. I have been clear that I am a big fan. I am also glad to see Nina Simone and Dire Straits. They are all good.

However, my one criticism is there is still no actual Old R&b. Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes, the Spinners and the Commodores are good choices. The Spinners have been snubbed for sure. I love Classic rock stuff for sure but also Classic R&B. Also other 80s would be good to see.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/2/2018 @ 14:56pm

I assume The Cars will play "Drive" as one of their 3 songs and I wish they wouldn't. Why?
1) Benjamin Orr is dead and can't sing it.
2) It sounds dated and was mid-80's drivel to begin with.
3) Way too many better Cars songs.

Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 02/2/2018 @ 19:48pm

Maybe Let The Good Times Roll,Let's Go and Shake It Up.

Posted by Greg Flagg on Friday, 02/2/2018 @ 20:51pm

Whose music do you think they will perform in the All-Star Jam?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02/5/2018 @ 09:21am

https://www.songhall.org/news/view/songwriters_hall_of_fame_announces_2018_inductees

THE 2018 SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Bill Anderson
Steve Dorff
Jermaine Dupri
Alan Jackson
John Mellencamp
Allee Willis
Kool & The Gang

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02/7/2018 @ 09:44am

I'm going to ask some questions:

a)I know it's really early but who do you guys see getting nominated and thus being the nominees for the 2019 class?

b)after Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey, and Bon Jovi, who do you guys think will be the next fan vote winner for 2019?

c)out of the nominees who didn't get in this year who do you guys think have the best chance at induction next year?

d)with Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues, all going in the last 3 years which populist Classic Rock acts/bands do you guys think will be nominated next year?

e)I know it's really early but who do you guys see being next year's induction class for 2019?

f)which acts do you guys see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the next five years (2019 2020 2021 2022 and 2023)?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/8/2018 @ 19:42pm

The next FAN VOTE winner will be Foreigner!

THE 2019 INDUCTEES

01. Foreigner
02. The Doobie Brothers
03. Jethro Tull
04. King Crimson
05. Janet Jackson

THE 2020 INDUCTEES

01. Willie Nelson
02. Dionne Warwick
03. The Commodores
04. Kool & The Gang
05. Rage Against The Machine

THE 2021 INDUCTEES

01. Joe Cocker
02. The Spinners
03. Peter, Paul and Mary
04. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
05. Radiohead

THE 2022 INDUCTEES

01. Warren Zevon
02. The Zombies
03. Kate Bush
04. Depeche Mode
05. Soundgarden

THE 2023 INDUCTEES

01. Harry Nilsson
02. Blood, Sweat & Tears
03. Judy Collins
04. Judas Priest
05. Nine Inch Nails

THE 2024 INDUCTEES

01. Mary Wells
02. Chubby Checker
03. The Monkees
04. Jan and Dean
05. Coldplay

THE 2025 INDUCTEES

01. The Marvelettes
02. Gram Parsons
03. Steppenwolf
04. Thin Lizzy
05. Alice In Chains

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02/8/2018 @ 21:10pm

Hey Roy,

I love my Classic acts but there is no way that the Classes of the next 5 years will look like that. Some like the Doobie Brothers, Jethro Tull,Janet Jackson,The Commodores, and Emerson, Lake and Palmer have good possibilities in the next few years. But hey there is not enough 80s acts in those predictions. What about Pat Benatar,Duran Duran, Tina Turner, Squeeze, Joe Jackson and Def Leppard. There is a few. There was Journey inducted last year and there is Bon Jovi, The Cars and Dire Straits this year. So I would say an 80s trend would continue in the mix.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/9/2018 @ 14:23pm

My predictions for next year's nominees:

Kate Bush
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
MC5
The Meters
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Link Wray
The Zombies

I'm predicting 16 nominees for next year instead of 19 nominees I'm predicting that all 13 nominees that didn't get in this year will return next year along with Janet Jackson (returning to the ballot after a year off the ballot) and a couple of first-time big populist Classic Rock nominees (Def Leppard, and The Doobie Brothers) I'm predicting that there will be only two first-time nominees for next year along with 14 returning nominees making it a total of 16 nominees for next year.

My predictions for next year's inductees:

Def Leppard (with many of their fellow 70's/80's Classic Rock acts inducted in recent years like Genesis, Alice Cooper, Heart, Rush, Hall & Oates, Kiss, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues they're well-destined to be the next big populist 70's/80's Classic Rock act to get nominated and inducted now along with The Doobie Brothers, plus they're also well-destined to be the next Arena Rock/Hair Metal act to get nominated and inducted now since Journey, and Bon Jovi are in and with the recent populist Classic Rock trend they have a great chance at getting a nomination next year and if they get nominated they will win the fan vote and will receive immediate induction)

The Doobie Brothers (with many of their fellow 70's/80's Classic Rock acts inducted in recent years like Genesis, Alice Cooper, Heart, Rush, Hall & Oates, Kiss, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues they're well-destined to be the next big populist 70's/80's Classic Rock act to get nominated and inducted now along with Def Leppard, and with the recent populist Classic Rock trend they have a great chance at getting a nomination next year and if they get nominated they will finish second in the fan vote and will also receive immediate induction just like Def Leppard)

Eurythmics (strong showing on the fan ballot this year keeps them on the ballot plus they're well-destined to be the next New Wave act to get inducted now since Talking Heads, The Police, Elvis Costello & The Attractions, The Pretenders, Blondie, and The Cars are in plus they're also well-respected by their peers so they're next year's Cheap Trick, Electric Light Orchestra, and Dire Straits)

Janet Jackson (Token Female Pick, plus she would serve as the headliner/big name draw for the ceremony on HBO and she'll return to the ballot after a one-year absence and she will get inducted on her 3rd try just like Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Deep Purple, Yes, and The Cars did also she's well-destined to be the next big 80's/90's Pop Icon to get inducted now since Michael Jackson, Prince, and Madonna are in)

LL Cool J (next year's ceremony is going to be back in NY so they'll want to induct a hometown hero and a recent Kennedy Center Honoree in his hometown of NY and next year IMO is his last shot for induction because Biggie, Jay-Z, and Eminem, are all going to be eligible the following three years after that (2020, 2021, and 2022) and because of that I think he'll be the only Rap/Hip-Hop act on the ballot for the second year in a row and next year will also mark the 35th anniversary of Def Jam Records (he was the first act signed to the label along with HOFers The Beastie Boys) so I think next year is his year for induction plus he's well-destined to become the 7th Rap/Hip-Hop act to get inducted now since Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, Run-D.M.C, The Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, N.W.A, and Tupac Shakur are in)

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/11/2018 @ 00:33am

richie,

It is good to see you on here. You are a smart guy. Your nominee list is fairly accurate. So is your choices for 2019 Inductees. A lot more realistic than Roy's. You have 4 80's acts on your inductee choices. Now since you are younger you may have overlooked a Singer/songwriter choice. I am 53 so I remember a lot of mellow acts like James Taylor, Carly Simon and Carole King being huge in the 70s. A mellow choice in the annals of music is almost always nominated and often inducted usually a singer/songwriter. I would choose Carole King as the singer/songsriter. Last year it was Joan Baez and this year is Nina Simone. I am going with Carole King as a nominee. So she could then get inducted instead of Janet Jackson.

I could agree with the others. Certainly the Doobie Brothers is very possible. I am agreeing with your Rap choice of LL Cool J. Def Leppard is very likely for sure. It's important to keep in mind a mellow singer/songwriter type. I am Not predicting Inductees right now at all. I never like too get too ahead of ourselves. I would be happy to make a nominee list soon though. I can do that.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/14/2018 @ 09:50am

Ben,

Thank you so much for your kind words it means a lot to me, My Mom is 53 and she totally agrees with Carole King, another name that comes to my mind is Pat Benatar, thanks again and have a great day.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/14/2018 @ 14:40pm

OK, I'll play. I'll predict it will be 19 nominations again; I had predicted this past year that the committee would return to shorter lists, and they didn't. So until they prove otherwise, I'm now predicting that long lists are the new normal.

As of today my guess for the next nomination class is as follows; this tries to take into account the voting biases and trends of the nominating committee, by looking at the spots vacated by this year's inductions, and artists that tend to come and go from the lists - as well as their tendency to throw us some nomination surprises (so I looked for a few "off the normal radar" choices as well):

- A Tribe Called Quest - LL Cool J still got no traction, so I think they may try a rap group this year. I was thinking about suggesting The Roots since they are eligible this year and ?uestlove is on the committee (and as we have seen, the committee doesn't give a damn about any perceptions of conflicts of interest); but with both ATCQ and Wu-Tang Clan yet to have been nominated, I think they'll take precedence, and ATCQ has been waiting longer of those two.

- The B-52's - Basically I'm giving them The Cars previous spot on the list. A band that is commercially popular but also has some alternative music credibility.

- Bad Company - I'm giving them the popular classic rock spot previously held by Dire Straits

- Beck - Eligible for the first time, he is a successful solo songwriter, popular with the 90s alternative crowd, and has some hip hop credibility, so his appeal is fairly wide.

- Pat Benatar - I'm giving her the populist spot vacated by Bon Jovi

- Bjork - She's been technically eligible for a long time based on an album she released as a child; but this year marks 25 years since "Debut" was released, so I think the HOF has been waiting for this to give her consideration. I give her the critically acclaimed female artist spot vacated by Nina Simone

- The Commodores - I'm making them this year's funk nominee in place of The Meters

- Eurythmics - Did well in the fan vote, I think they'll get a second shot this year

- Herbie Hancock - Jazz cat, but he had a huge impact on Rock with his 70s fusion work and a big impact on Hip hop and modern R&B; he's waited forever, I'm giving him Link Wray's spot this year as the oldest/longest eligible artist

- Janet Jackson - I'm predicting the will return to her and pass on Rufus/Chaka Khan this year.

- Joy Division - I'm giving them the underground credibility spot this year and passing on another nomination for MC5

- Judas Priest - Returning for a second straight nomination. I don't think they will do anybody like Motorhead until Preist eventually is inducted

- Love - The Zombies have been passed over multiple times, Procol Harum was not well received as a nominee; they haven't tried Love yet and they check a lot of the same boxes as those two bands do, though without a major hit song that the public knows.

- Nine Inch Nails - I think with Depeche Mode being passed over, they'll do another try with Nine Inch Nails this year

- Radiohead - They got so much shit for Radiohead being passed over by the voters this year, they'll put them up again and hope the voters heard the message.

- Rage Against The Machine - I'm wavering on them getting a second shot; but the committee members obviously like Tom, I think they'll give his band another shot.

- Roxy Music - I'm basically giving them the "scratching my head trying to figure out how they've never been nominated" spot.

- Gil Scott-Heron - I'm giving him the spot that Sister Rosetta Tharpe had last year, since I gave Bjork the Nina Simone spot. Much like the public didn't realize how much Tharpe influenced rock guitar; I don't think that the public understands how much Gil Scott-Heron influenced the development of Rap.

- War - I'm predicting War makes a return and they sit J Geils Band this year.

From that group I would predict that the Fan Vote winner would be Pat Benatar.

And for induction I will guess:
- Pat Benatar
- The Commodores
- Judas Priest
- Radiohead
- Gil Scott-Heron

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/14/2018 @ 18:48pm

Hey FRL Regulars,

I'm going to ask some questions:

a)I know it's really early but who do you guys see getting nominated and thus being the nominees for the 2019 class?

b) after Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey, and Bon Jovi who do you guys think will be the next fan vote winner for 2019?

c)out of the nominees who didn't get in this year who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year?

d)with Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues all going in the last 3 years which populist Classic Rock acts/bands do you guys think will be nominated next year?

e)I know it's really early but who do you guys see being next year's induction class?

f)which acts do you guys see being inducted in the next five years (2019 2020 2021 2022 and 2023)?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/15/2018 @ 01:28am

richie,

Good chatting with yu. I am known for tons if Regular rock acts like Eric Clapton, Moody Blues,Jethro Tull, Gr Dead, Steely Dan, The Who, Talking Heads, Genesis and Yes as well as hundreds of others in Rock. However I do like a bunch of Singer/songwriters like James Taylor, Gordon Lightfoot and Cat Stevens. I like some Carole King. I mainly dig Tapestry. That was a huge album. So after the inductions of James Taylor, Cat Stevens, Joan Baez and Nina Simon Carole King makes sense.

So I just used your pattern of past inductions for Singer/songwriters. Those under 30 dont always think of those very mellow choices. I am glad your Mom is an influence on you. I figure Carole King is logical as the next choice.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/15/2018 @ 08:34am

Ben,

Thank you for your reply back to me I appreciate it very much it means the world to me, and I'm going to ask you some questions:

a)I know it's really early but who do you see getting nominated and thus being the nominees for the 2019 class?

b)after Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey, and Bon Jovi who do you think will be the next fan vote winner for 2019?

c)out of the nominees who didn't get in this year who do you think have the best chances at induction next year?

d)with Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues all going in the last 3 years which populist Classic Rock acts/bands do you think will be nominated next year?

e)I know it's really early but who do you see being next year's induction class?

f)which acts do you see being inducted in the next five years (2019 2020 2021 2022 and 2023)?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/15/2018 @ 18:55pm

richie,

I will answer question a,b and c in the near future. I can answer question d right now. I see Bad Company, Def Leppard, Doobie Brothers and Jethro Tull being nominated next year. Those would be my populist Classic Rock choices. I will not answer questions e and f. I never predict inductees as rule prior to the announcement of the real nominees. That is getting too ahead of myself. I will figure out a nominee list soon.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/16/2018 @ 17:37pm

richie,

My early list of potential 2019 nominees:

Procol Harum
King Crimson
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Sade
Sting
Kate Bush
Carly Simon
Doobie Brothers
Tina Turner
J. Geil’s Band
Eurythmics
Depeche Mode
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
The Spinners
The Meters
The Zombies
Willie Nelson
Garth Brooks
T.L.C.
L.L. Cool J.

b. Duran Duran

c. Eurythmics

d. Jethro Tull and Doobie Brothers

e.

Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Sade
Carly Simon
Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/17/2018 @ 11:52am

Ben,

here's some possibilities for next year's nominees:

1970's/1980's Classic Rock Acts

Bad Company
Def Leppard
The Doobie Brothers
Emerson Lake & Palmer
Iron Maiden
The J. Geils Band
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Motorhead
T. Rex

Soul/R&B/Disco/Funk Acts

The Average White Band
Barry White
Chaka Khan
The Commodores
Donny Hathaway
The Gap Band
The J.B's
Janet Jackson
Joe Tex
The Meters
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Sade
The Spinners
War
Whitney Houston

Rap Acts

Afrika Bambaataa
De La Soul
Eric B. & Rakim
LL Cool J

Alternative/Punk/New Wave/Electronic Acts

The B-52's
Bad Brains
Black Flag
The Cure
Depeche Mode
Devo
Eurythmics
The Jam
Jane's Addiction
Kraftwerk
MC5
New York Dolls
Nine Inch Nails
Pixies
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
The Replacements
Roxy Music
The Smiths
Sonic Youth

1950's/1960's Acts

Ben E. King
Chubby Checker
Chuck Willis
The Crystals
Dick Dale
Iron Butterfly
Johnny Burnette & The Rock "N' Roll Trio
Lesley Gore
Link Wray
Love
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
The Monkees
Procol Harum
The Shangri-La's
Steppenwolf
Tommy James & The Shondells
The Turtles
The Zombies

Singer-Songwriters/Solo Artists

Carole King
Gram Parsons
Joe Cocker
Kate Bush
Lucinda Williams
Sting
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren

Outside Genre/Left-Field Picks

Captain Beefheart
George Jones
Gil Scott-Heron
Johnny Winter
Junior Parker
Los Lobos
Patsy Cline
Peter Tosh

out of all the names I mentioned which 19 do you see and predict as next year's nominees?

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 00:14am

richie,

Ohh dont worry. I dont need that list at all. Alll or most will probably be on it anyway. I am strong with a prediction of Steppenwolf and the Zombies. I like your inclusion of Captain Beefheart. Wow. Yu listed the Jam. There is Joe Cocker and Johhny Winter to consider. I have no list at this moment

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 09:21am

80s and metal are not classic rock

Country is not in anyway an other - it is an integral part of rock and roll. somehow people forget all the country artist that had their work covered by r&r and r&b artist,

Even if Patsy Cline did not do Rockabilly (look it up-she did) her songs are very much in line with both r & b and country artist that are not questioned as being rock and roll.

R&R is not equal to or a subset of r&b. R&R is a pot luck of mainly blues and country with side dishes of r&b, jazz folk and other genres. It is its own entity.

mia

Carter Family (early influence)
no Mabelle Carter - no lead guitar - no lead guitar - no rock and roll and no rock

Chubby Checker
Patsy Cline
Big Bopper
The spinners

Herb Kent (dj)

Peter Paul and Mary
Judy Collins
The Chieftains

Tommy James and the Shondells
Ides of March
The Buckinghams
American Breed

Melanie
Emmylou Harris
Helen Ready
Don Mcclean
Gordon Lightfoot
Steve Goodman
John Prine
Janis Ian
Kenny Loggins
Jimmy Buffett
Dan Fogelberg

The Guess Who
BTO
REO Speedwagon
Styx
Kansas
Doobie Brothers
Three Dog Night
Grand Funk Railroad

Bernie Taupin (songwriter)
Dr Demento (dj)
Shel Silverstein (songwritter) quess what song he wrote?

Blues Brothers

5th Dimension
Commodores
Roberta Flack

Willie Nelson
Kris Kristofferson
Waylon Jennings
Dottie West
Kenny Rogers
David Allen Coe
Jerry Reed

First Edition
Dr Hook
Bread
Loggins and Messina
England Dan and John Ford Coley
Seals and Crofts

This is just pre-80s and many of these artist should have been inducted a long time ago

What nobody else remembering Canadian artist?

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 09:49am

I ended up missing 2 important artist

Kingston Trio

Rufus

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 10:09am

Rufus- most of your choices, with all due 'respect' (with the exception of The Spinners, The Big Bopper, Tommy James, possibly Chubby, and the top-level country artists), are at best 4th/5th level choices, and at WORST (aka the 'classic rock' groups and the wuss singer-songwriters/groups like Bread) joke choices that are barely one level above the likes of Milli Vanilli, 1910 Fruitgum Company, and the Archies! They make the likes of ABBA, PBBB, and Bon Phony look like legit/first-ballot entries...

Plus, there are TOO DAMN MANY acts far more deserving (esp. in the alternative era) than those blights on music that have been cast aside for too damn many Baby Boomer Yacht-mush groups already ;-(>...

Posted by KXB on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 11:54am

(meant to address that to Zuzu..) #sorry #butnotabouttherest

Posted by KXB on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 11:57am

richie,

I am certainly willing to answer your question a.Here is my early list of predictions for the
2019 nominees.

Bad Company
Beck
The Cure
Def Leppard
Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
J. Geils Band
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Gordon Lightfoot
L.L. Cool J
The Meters
The Monkees
Radiohead
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner
The Zombies

b. Def Leppard
c. Eurythmics
Judas Priest
L.L. Cool J
The Meters
Radiohead
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Zombies

d.Populist Classic Rock acts nominated
Bad Company
Def Lepppard
Doobie Brothers
Jethro Tull

I will not answer questions e and f due to my rule of not predicting inductees until the official announcement of actual nominees. You will have to wait until October for those.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 12:12pm

KXB

Let's get something straight from the get go this is the rock and roll hall of fame - rock and roll is boomer music

This is not the gen ex or millenial hall of fame.

This is rock and roll not a lot of the garbage that gets mentioned or even the garbage that gets nominated.

You kids want to piss in the pool go to your own pool and do it.

mc5
Janet Jackson
Chic
joe tex with his rapist song

should be in - now this is the joke

Newsflash

I will say what I always say put them up for nominations against the garbage dump repeat rejects and let's see who gets in.

I will tell you that

The Guess Who
BTO
REO Speedwagon
Styx
Kansas
Doobie Brothers
Three Dog Night
Grand Funk Railroad

will get in before any the the actual 5 and 6th tier garbage that usually gets mentioned

and before you go knocking these country artist down look at who they are associated with and which rock, r&r and r&b artist have worked with, mentioned them or covered their work.

I don't know what you think you know about r&r but these artist have a lot more influence on the genre than a lot of post r&r that gets mentioned.

If you are going to put down actual r&r what is your purpose in being on here? Is it to glorify your generations music over r&r. If that is it then why didn't your generation simply start your own hall of fame for your music

One again I will repeat nominate my suggestions along with yours and lets see who gets the votes of their peers. Your bs name calling does nothing to change who will get the votes. Just remember patterns. 70s artist get in before 80 & 90s artist, rock and folk get in before punk metal r&b and country artist would probably too.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 12:45pm

Ben,

Thank you for your reply back to me and for your list of nominations and I totally understand that you're wanting to wait until October and I look forward to your list then and I also want to tell you that Gordon Lightfoot is not on the previously considered list so I think you should replace him with someone else like either Janet Jackson, Kraftwerk, or Carole King, but I definitely agree with the other 18 you mentioned (Bad Company, The Cure, Def Leppard, The Doobie Brothers, Eurythmics, The J. Geils Band, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, LL Cool J, The Meters, The Monkees, Radiohead, Rufus With Chaka Khan, The Spinners, Steppenwolf, Tina Turner, and The Zombies. as well as the newly eligible Beck.) thanks again and Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 13:05pm

KXB

You want to know why alt, punk and metal get cast aside?

Who wants to listen to them?

Who wants to listen to those that consider them an influence?

You want these artist recognized then build a hall of fame for this type of music

Now about your sexist yacht mush comment - do you want to talk about the overload of sexist ding dong rock? Did you hear about the me too movement. Maybe some of the guys need to take a second look at their attitudes on women's preferences.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 13:06pm

Zuzu - You get no right to say that Rock and Roll and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is only for Baby Boomers. That is so incredibly rude, dismissive, and closed minded to the thousands of artists and millions of fans that have continued to advance the art form after the Boomers got old and stagnate. Also, it totally diminishes the fact that it was the Silent Generation that actually created Rock and Roll.

Your dismissive behavior to any music you do not like or did not pierce your Chicago bubble in 1970's is getting old. Speaking for myself and others this behavior is so annoying and unwelcoming to the community here. Try being more open to music you did not get the chance to listen to 40 years ago.

Also, It is essentailly confirmed by Rock historians and writers (people that know what they are talking about) that the MC5, Janet Jackson, and Chic are more important to the overall development of Rock and Roll than Styx, Three Dog Night and Kansas. Facts are facts.

Finally, could you please review your posts before posting. It's a real struggle to ascertain what points you are trying to make or what your argument is when you struggle with basic grammar and capitalization. Thank you.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 13:45pm

Zuzu

Not to mention. What have those artists ever done to push rock and roll? Nothing.

They're bloated, second rate dad rock artists that would only get bought up by those 55 year-old white cis-male bigots who throw tantrums when non-rock artists get inducted. Next to no one cites them as an influence, none of they're albums ever appear high in a greatest albums list and only a few songs are ever acknowledged at most in general.

Stop acting like you're entitled to what is and isn't allowed to go in the Rock Hall and become open minded to close of that arrogant fantasy world of yours.

It's amazing you haven't been terminated from here based on your posts.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 14:37pm

Damn, Zuzu is really doubling down on the out of touch, bubble dwelling, tasteless, entitled boomer persona lately. It's so over the top and unrealistic at this point that I'm convinced it's got to be a gimmick. No way this could be real.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 14:59pm

Gasman,

Who was listening to the music? The Boomer generation was in the high school and college age group that is the demographic that determines the latest trends. My parents were part of the silent generation and they were into folk and pop while others were into jazz - beat music. Come the 80's the decade of gen ex rock and roll is no longer the dominant genre of music.

I have found that some of those experts that follow this ideology are connected to Jann Weinner and the rock hall and there are other experts and artist that disagree along with other artist in genres that are pushed.

A couple of things you need to ask yourself

If these artist are so important why aren't they getting the votes to get inducted?

Why don't these so called experts interview artist who have earned the right to be part of the voting body. I have looked elsewhere and they are not happy with the push ahead policy of the nom com. They feel that deserving artist have been passed over.

Gassman look at my lists right before nominations come out and you will see they are more open then a lot of lists that consist mostly of Brits and R&B.

How can a judgement be made on an artist be made when people do not even know their song catalog or don't even care to investigate their influence?

Looking at the songs listed for REO and Jerry Reed it is as if people are not aware of their work before 1980 and this includes your so called experts.

I will apologize to you personally. I have mentioned I have been having health problems recently and it may be affecting my attitude lately. There have been comments that are sexist in nature and a lot of that is related to artist that are preferred by females and that I find closed minded and offensive.

Gasman why shouldn't post factual info about Chicago artist and Country and folk artist? There are others on here that have their own pet projects.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 16:45pm

Wow, Zuzu, congrats on reinforcing every stereotype people have of out-of-touch, elitist, me me ME Baby Boomers! So, you say "Rock and Roll is Boomer music"? REALLY??? More like Rock and Roll is BLACK music co-opted by Baby Boomers who claim they're stuff is better than everyone else's (not always)!

The fact is, EVERY (eligible) era, from the early years (pre-1950's) to the 90's, has their share of all-timers (and most who just don't measure up); what irks me (and so many others) is that too damn many (11 of 16 in the last 3 years!) acts from the same era and style got in at the expense of more worthier acts (which range from the 50s/60s- The Spinners, Link Wray, MC5, to the 80s/90s- The Smiths, NIN, Radiohead)...

Speaking of the Spinners, they were one of the acts I agreed should've been inducted long ago- so does that make them 'garbage', or is there another factor in your objection to them?

Also, Styx, Kansas, Guess Who, Bread, Seals & Crofts , REO, Grand Funk, Loggins & Messina and their ilk have NO realistic chance of getting in the HoF (F'd up as they are), so get over it already!

Finally, you somehow claimed that my comments were sexist- pray tell, EXPLAIN to me how you came to that conclusion??? BTW, I would like nothing better than to see Kate Bush, Tori Amos, Tina Turner solo, PJ Harvey, Carole King (as a performer), Chaka, and oh yes Janet (among many), but NOT Pat Benatar & Whitney Houston, as their music for the most part was too mediocre (along with too damn many of of your male YR/wuss selections)...

Posted by KXB on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 18:03pm

Zuzu

Not to mention, your OWN LOGIC can be used AGAINST YOU!

Styx, REO Speedwagon, The Guess Who, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, Grand Funk Railroad, Three Dog Night and Kansas (they're all completely unworthy by the way). None of them have a chance in Hell of induction so they're about as important as 2000 calories of tiramisu is to maintaining a healthy, balanced diet.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 18:27pm

KXB

Naming women to be inducted does not mean you are sexist in your attitudes. It is what is said about artist that liked more by women. Example is the sexist tiramisu comment. So a testosterone diet of male only opinion is ok. Where is the yin yang?If you guys are not sexist then where is the balance of female opinions on here? It wasn't that way further back. What changed?

Look at my list and you will see that the Spinners are in the group. I personally think the push ahead policy is the problem. Think Kiss. the rest of your list did not get votes. By the way I was voting for NIN, It's going to take time before they get in - the others - I do not see it.

I did not call the Spinners garbage. I just knew they would not get the votes and were put on as a filler.

Kate Bush, Tori Amos and PJ Harvey all have the same problem - no root support or barely any with older artist. You need that to get the votes.

I've looked on line and Janet Jackson's fans don't care about her getting inducted. A bunch of family paid for publicity does not make her a worthy candidate, I do support TLC who I feel have enough r&r elements to qualify. They also set the blueprint for future r&b artist which JJ did not do and that is out of the mouth of Beyonce.

Chaka and Tina Turner yes Seriously Pat Benetar is one of the biggest complaints. Carole King is in as a writer and does not have enough for an artist as by the 70s her material is ac.

I wish they would hold off on Chaka and Rufus for a couple of years since getting some the artist that are from Chicago or spent time in Chicago would probably give them enough votes. That is if they held back on the push ahead policy.

Do you actually think you know enough about REO to make a judgement call? Based on the fact that their earlier material is missing from their song list on this site, I do not think so.

have you even listened to

Golden Country
Flying Turkey Trot
157 Riverside Ave
Ridin the Storm Out

If you do not know anything prior to the 80s how can you judge these artist

You do not think they can get the votes but I think they could.

All I ask islet them get nominated and let's see which of us their peers agree with.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 19:56pm

richie,

I wrote down my choices and somehow still made a mistake. Janet Jackson is on my list. So here is my list again. Let's try again.
My list of predictions for the 2019 Rock n'Roll Hall of Fame

Bad Company
Beck
The Cure
Def Leppard
Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Gordon Lightfoot
L.L. Cool J
The Meters
The Monkees
Radiohead
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner
The Zombies

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 22:03pm

Ben,

nice revised list of your predictions for next year's nominees but you took out The J. Geils Band and added Janet Jackson but you still kept Gordon Lightfoot on your list of predictions for next year's nominees as I already mentioned Gordon is not on the previously considered list so I think you should take him out of your predictions and replace him with The J. Geils Band,

I think your new list of predictions for next year's nominees should be

Bad Company
Beck
The Cure
Def Leppard
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
The Meters
The Monkees
Radiohead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner
The Zombies

that's a more likely list right there, thanks again and Have a good night.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 22:43pm

This year's nominees:

Bad Company
Beck
The Cure
Def Leppard
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
The Meters
The Monkees
Radiohead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner
The Zombies


There you have it, folks. Nothing left to say... See y'all in October.

Posted by joker on Sunday, 02/18/2018 @ 23:59pm

If I got to choose the 19 nominees, it would look like this

A Tribe Called Quest
Björk
The Cure
Depeche Mode
Gil-Scott Heron
Janet Jackson
John Coltrane
Joy Division
Judas Priest
King Crimson
Kraftwerk
Mariah Carey
Patsy Cline
Pixies
Radiohead
Roxy Music
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
The Spinners

Posted by Nicky Joe on Monday, 02/19/2018 @ 05:02am

richie,

It is funny and ironic that you mentioned the Previously considered list. You know why. Up until 2 years ago I studied the Previously considered and told those like Enig not to pick Carly Simon. She wasn't on the previously considered list. I said that's what they go by. Several people pointed out that the Hall would never move ahead with first time eligibles.

Then I figured the Hall goes by the Previously considered for the old acts. But 2 years in a row I was proved wrong there too. Joan Baez was nominated and even inducted without having been previously considered and the same with Nina Simone. Therefore I have changed my view. I remember this rather clearly. I notice they have avoided Carol King in favor of folk and Jazz singers even older. So I am picking Gordon Lightfoot still as a mellow choice. You have the view I had 2 years ago. They seem to be making up for avoiding old folk and Jazz singers.

You should also know that my list is a temporary list that most certainly will be changed a few times. I will not finalize my list until August. Gordon Lightfoot seems like one I can change. This is February. Its wayyy too early. Some others I want to consider are Peter,Paul and Mary, Joe Cocker, Carole King and T Rex. There are so many. I want to go back to thinking about the presenters for this year.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/19/2018 @ 07:08am

richie,

My other answers remain the same. I think Bad Company, Def Leppard, Doobie Brothers and Jethro Tull stand a good chance as the populist Classic Rock choices. I also think that the Monkees may be nominated due to a buzz on them.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/19/2018 @ 08:25am

NOMINEES FOR THE 2019 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Mary Wells
02. The Spinners
03. The Marvelettes
04. Chubby Checker
05. Ben E. King
06. Carole King
07. Tina Turner
08. Dionne Warwick
09. Willie Nelson
10. Jan & Dean
11. The Monkees
12. Judy Collins
13. Peter, Paul & Mary
14. The Kingston Trio
15. Jethro Tull
16. King Crimson
17. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
18. Kool & The Gang
19. The Commodores
20. The Doobie Brothers
21. Foreigner
22. Janet Jackson
23. Nine Inch Nails
24. Rage Against The Machine
25. Radiohead

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02/19/2018 @ 12:43pm

Ben,

thank you again for your reply back to me I understand exactly what you're standing I totally understand your views on Gordon Lightfoot, my mom thinks he should be in there too and I agree with you about Bad Company, Def Leppard, The Doobie Brothers, Jethro Tull, and The Monkees I really think those 5 that I mentioned are on track to be the next big populist choices for the Hall following the inductions of ABBA, Genesis, Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, Heart, Rush, Hall & Oates, Kiss, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues in the last several years thanks again for your reply awesome talking to you and Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/19/2018 @ 15:11pm

Zusu-

Most people on this board agree that REO Stinkwagon has NO chance, or business making the R&RHoF. You many notice they're NOWHERE to be found in their Rock Hall Projection or Rankings projects. As for me, I'm well aware that they've existed long before Hi Infidelity (the most mediocre 10+ million-selling rock album ever, BTW), and while they've admittedly had their moments back then, their overall body of work does not hold up nearly well enough to consider them all-time greats, or to receive any accolades indicating this...


Finally, the idea that UNWORTHY 70's 'artists' are entitled to get selected before WORTHIER 80's/90's artists (not to mention 50's/60's artists) is moronic and bullheaded (aka typical Baby Boomer 'thinking'), akin to the way our a$$hat 'president' got 'elected'...

Posted by KXB on Monday, 02/19/2018 @ 18:11pm

richie,

So you understand that I used to study the Previously considered list but after Joan Baez and Nina Simone have even been inducted I see that my theory of that is wrong. They were not previously considered. I believe that it has happened with others like Hall & Oates. I dont fully remember.

So in an effort to catch up on Folk and Jazz acts Gordon Lightfoot makes sense as the next in line. 2 years in a row I predicted Carole King and was wrong. As far as Gordon Lightfoot some key tunes are Don Quixote and Sundown. I know those well. He is certainly not a populist act but can feasibly be nominated for 2019. Enig likes to predict Carly Simon. I dont agree but it is feasible also even though she is NOT previously considered.

As far as other predictions there is the Monkees

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/20/2018 @ 06:39am

On the singer/songwriter/folk artist front - I've noticed that in recent years, it seems like it is the subgenre in which the nominating committee tends to have the highest success rate with (as far as the nominees getting quickly in to the HOF).

The fact that they have recently leaned towards nominating women and people of color (or both in the case of Nina Simone) in that subgenre, I think is not an accidental trend.

With the mass public criticism the Hall has taken for classes that had no women members, or limited black inductees; the nominating committee seems to have figured out that they can up the likelihood that the class will be more diverse by using this "slot" on the nominations for more diverse choices.

So, that's why I've leaned away from predicting some obvious HOF worthy choices like Graham Parsons, or John Prine. Gordon Lightfoot is a consideration in that realm as well, but I think a rung or two down. He was pretty influential in his time, but seems to have largely fallen out of the consciousness of the wider popular culture.

Until the main voting block shows that it is more open to the funk, R&B, and rap candidates; I think we will continue to see the singer-songwriter category dominated by women and by singers of color. Which is why I was predicting Gil Scott-Heron this year. Others in this line of thought could include: Joan Armatrading, Richie Havens, the long awaited nomination for Carole King as a performer. Heck, even Tracy Chapman - she's been eligible for about 5 years.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 02/20/2018 @ 15:15pm

Shrek,

Thats a very good point. richie wanted a Nominee list so I thought of one fast. Gordon Lightfoot came to mind. I forgot about Richie havens. There is a pretty good chance of him as a nominee. Joan Armitrading and Carole King are other possibilities. I was going to hold off on Carole King. I picked her 2 years in a row and she was snubbed as a nominee. I wont make a more final list until the Summer.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/20/2018 @ 16:14pm

With the mass public criticism the Hall has taken for classes that had no women members, or limited black inductees; the nominating committee seems to have figured out that they can up the likelihood that the class will be more diverse by using this "slot" on the nominations for more diverse choices.

Shrek,

Have you looked at what members of the voting block have been saying? They have complained about the lack of women,the lack of transparency and the nom com pushing ahead. They are also complaining about undeserving people being inducted, which is why they are calling for transparency. Remember the DC5 scandal?

I do not see much complaining about African Americans in general. I have seen some complaints about rap and hip hop - both for and against.

I really would like to know what the people complaining about the low numbers of African Americans think is a fair percentage. African Americans are 15% of the population and this is what I see happening now. That would be 3 years with one African American inductee with every 4th year skipped.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 02/21/2018 @ 08:52am

Zuzu

Stop posting comments, you're making yourself look even worse! Yes only 15% of the American population is Black BUT America is a country that has oppressed them violently ever since they were dragged over to America and even TODAY they suffer constant discrimination.

The problem with not having a more equal number of blacks inducted is that it reinforces the oppression they suffer and creates this black-unfriendly atmospheric.

You might this is just political correctness gone mad, I say otherwise. Now run along!

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 02/21/2018 @ 12:13pm

Zuzu

If you aren't seeing the criticism about classes dominated exclusively by "white guys playing guitars" it is because you have chosen to avoid or ignore such articles. They are numerous.

And while 15% of America is African-American, the impact of black culture (and other minority cultures for that matter) on American music of all genres far surpasses that representative sample.

And yes, I pay close attention to criticisms and analysis of the HOF, both from people that actually have a vote as well as the wider array of people who do not have a vote, but care about the results; especially if such commentators seem to have done the necessary homework to have formed actual informed opinions (and it helps as well if they have internal consistency and integrity in their complaints - rather than the many I see who complain about the biases of the nominating committee and then show that they simply want to replace those biases with their own biases). I think all of us on this community board do tend to pay this sort of attention; which is what leads to these discussions. We use that info, as well as paying close attention to the actual trends of the nominating committee and the patterns of the main voters in response to those nominations. The two groups at this point are certainly in very different mind sets about the direction of the HOF.

Your biggest most vocal gripe obviously is with the fact that REO Speedwagon is not in the HOF; so you come here and attack all of us for that snub. But, honestly it would violate my attempt at impartial analysis for me to predict that REO will be inducted in to the Hall Of Fame. Because, I pay attention to the trends of the nominating committee. And nothing I have seen in any way indicates that that group as currently constructed is likely to nominate REO Speedwagon in any near future year. And if they don't get nominated, they can't get inducted.

You can rage at us if you want; but it's not going to do you much good. You would be much better off studying the approach of the fans of Yes or The Moody Blues, or your apparent hated enemy Janet Jackson; those are groups that have succeeded in making a big public spectacle (in a positive way) in support of their favorite artists. It has helped those artists in getting placement on the snub lists of major music websites; and in some cases (such as Yes) it seems to have done the job of finally getting that act nominated and inducted.

Right now, other than yourself, I don't see the big fan groundswell of support for REO. Where is your promotional website for inducting REO? Where is your Facebook site?

Let's put it this way, I would put REO Speedwagon's chances at getting inducted in the the HOF much higher than I would the chances of Dennis Wilson; and yet, right now the fans of Dennis Wilson has a far superior marketing campaign in support of their candidate than you do for yours.

If you want to see REO make it in; go out and do the work to make ite happen.

Or you can keep tilting at windmills on this discussion list; attacking the people that have no vote in either part of the process; but find it interesting to try to track and make predictions about - and occasionally voice a bit of support for our own particular favorite artists or genres.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/21/2018 @ 14:07pm

All of society's ills can be traced to Janet Jackson.

The truth is out there, sheeple!!!

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 02/21/2018 @ 15:37pm

"I really would like to know what the people complaining about the low numbers of African Americans think is a fair percentage. African Americans are 15% of the population and this is what I see happening now. That would be 3 years with one African American inductee with every 4th year skipped." -Zuzu

This reads kind of like you sat down at the keyboard and asked yourself, "How can I take the absurd idea behind my silly ass population based argument against British acts and make it really out of touch and repugnant?"

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 02/21/2018 @ 21:04pm

Zuzu:

1. The DC5 scandal centered around votes that were either postmarked or simply arrived a day or two after the deadline that would have put them ahead, supposedly by six votes. While it was about transparency, it wasn't about acts not being deserving.

2. If you haven't seen African-Americans complaining, you just haven't been paying attention. Bill G. doesn't come around as often as he used to, and I've never actually asked him, but I believe he's hinted that he's African-American, and he's VERY adamant and outraged at the omission of African-American acts.


Shrek,

Zuzu isn't outraged about REO Speedwagon not being in the Hall; she's outraged that the Hall isn't Chicago-centric. To her, all roads lead to Chicago. Now, in all fairness, she also wants more deserving women in the Hall, and wants to see the country side of the equation get a little more fair representation. And those are valid points, imo. But by and large, it's Chicago that matters. If you weren't big in Chicago, during the 60's and 70's, you don't matter.


DarinRG,

I know, right? Not just "really out of touch," but effing detached from reality.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 02/21/2018 @ 23:58pm

Nicky Joe,

I'm going to ask you some questions:

a)I know it's really early but who do you see getting nominated and thus being the nominees for the 2019 class?

b)after Rush, Kiss, Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble, Chicago, Journey, and Bon Jovi who do you think will be the next fan vote winner for 2019?

c)out of the nominees who didn't get in this year who do you think have the best chances at induction next year?

d)with Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Steve Miller, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Yes, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues all going in the last 3 years which populist Classic Rock acts/bands do you think will be nominated next year?

e)I know it's really early but who do you see being next year's induction class?

f)which acts do you see being inducted in the next five years (2019 2020 2021 2022 and 2023)?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/22/2018 @ 00:31am

richie

A: Radiohead, Rage Against the Machine, Beck, Outkast, The Smiths, Nine Inch Nails, Judas Priest, Def Leppard, The Doobie Brothers, Bad Company, Jethro Tull, Depeche Mode, Janet Jackson, Pixies, The Spinners, Sonic Youth, Patsy Cline, Kraftwerk and Soundgarden

B: Judas Priest

C: Probably Judas Priest, maybe Radiohead

D: Judas Priest, Bad Company, Def Leppard and Jethro Tull

E: Judas Priest, Bad Company, Def Leppard, Jethro Tull and Radiohead (Janet Jackson if six). Yeah I think it's going to be a very white male year next time.

F: I tell you what, I'll do a list of 24 artists I think stand solid chances of induction .
Bad Company
Carole King
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
Eminem
Janet Jackson
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
The Marvelettes
MC5
Motörhead
Nine Inch Nails
The Notorious B.I.G.
Outkast
Patsy Cline
Pixies
Radiohead
Rage Against the Machine
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Whitney Houston

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 02/22/2018 @ 04:05am

Nicky Joe,

Your list is pretty good and accurate. Janet Jackson and the Spinners are 2 of my African American choices for 2019. This is in contrast to someone else that has had a bunch of posts. The poor Spinners have been snubbed several timesm Although I am. a fan of a lot of Classic Rock it is important to include R&b acts as well. I dig a bunch of R&b. The Pixies and Sonic Youth are worthy choices. I will consider them for my more final list. I dont know Sonic Youth much at all. But in the same way that Crosby, Stills and Nash and Traffic were key influences in their time so too I suppose Sonic Youth are influences in their time. I have several friends who like them.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/23/2018 @ 07:36am

Nicky Joe,

I also see you have Whitney Houston. I am NOT a fan but again a worthy act based on Fame and influence. I am personally into other R&b acts much more. I think Tina Turner could b picked next year instead of Whitney. Tina is a legend that goes back further and has worked with soo many known musicians. But Whitney H could be nominated by 2021 easily.

The Smiths, Nine Inch Nails and Soundgarden are all likely for sure. Now how did they miss on Soundgarden last year. They weren't even nominated. I am not a 90s expert but Chris Cornell died last year. And they were still ignored.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/23/2018 @ 10:00am

Looking ahead to the class of 18>19.

First of all, with recent groups that I had previously considered Yr1 Locks like like Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins, and Nine Inch Nails being passed over, I won't assume any newly eligible artist has a free year. Beck has a VERY promising resume though and is the only newly eligible I would put (a small amount of) money on.


Next fan vote winner?
I'm expecting Def Leppard. In general, I think this year will be /a little/ less populist and classic rock centric after a huge dependence on it the past three years, but Def Leppard and Judas Priest seem like they're finally going to get their time to shine.

So that puts my expectations at Beck, Def Leppard, and Judas Priest as final inductees next year. I'm not ready to make predictions for the other 3 due to how volatile and unpredictable recent voting has been.

I also think the nomination list (but not necessarily the inductees) is going to get more female + POC representation in response to recent criticism regarding the lack of it.

It should be a pretty good class. Last few years have been very good for catch-up in a lot of ways, while just getting us more behind in others.

Posted by Paul K. on Monday, 02/26/2018 @ 14:29pm

I'm pretty much in agreement with you, Paul K. I think Judas Priest will become the new Cars and will keep coming back until they get in this class or next. Def Leppard is a good shout, although I think the Monkees may finally get their first nom and then get an induction straightaway.

I think the Hall will try to fix their Radiohead problem and get them in asap. Beck and RATM have good shots too.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 02/26/2018 @ 15:27pm

Paul K.

Good Luck to Beck to be perfectly honest with you.

The Hall's voting committee has no interest in public opinion and shuts themselves off from the rest of the world to it's own thoughts with hands in their ears.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Monday, 02/26/2018 @ 17:39pm

My predictions on who I think will be inducted into the Rock Hall (assuming five or six acts per class) in the next five years (2019-2023)

Beck
Boston
Carole King
The Commodores
The Cure
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Mary J. Blige
Nine Inch Nails
The Notorious B.I.G
Pat Benatar
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
Sting
Todd Rundgren
Warren Zevon
Whitney Houston
Willie Nelson
The Zombies

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/27/2018 @ 00:02am

Artists who I think will be inducted into the Rock Hall (assuming five or six acts per class) in the next five years (2019-2023)

Beck
Boston
Carole King
The Commodores
The Cure
Def Leppard
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Duran Duran
Eminem
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The J. Geils Band
Janet Jackson
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Mary J. Blige
Nine Inch Nails
The Notorious B.I.G
Pat Benatar
Radiohead
Rage Against The Machine
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
Sting
Todd Rundgren
Warren Zevon
Whitney Houston
Willie Nelson
The Zombies

My predictions on who I think will be inducted (if six) each year from 2019-2023

2019

Def Leppard
The Doobie Brothers
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Warren Zevon

2020

Boston
The J. Geils Band
The Notorious B.I.G
Pat Benatar
Sting
The Zombies

Musical Excellence

Willie Nelson

2021

Carole King
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Janet Jackson
Jay-Z

2022

The Cure
Depeche Mode
Eminem
Nine Inch Nails
Radiohead
Whitney Houston

2023

Beck
The Commodores
Mary J. Blige
Rage Against The Machine
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths

Musical Excellence

Todd Rundgren

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/27/2018 @ 17:55pm

This is my revised list of Predictions for
2019 Rock N'Roll Hall of Fame nominees

Bad Company
Beck
Judy Collins
The Cure
Def Leppard
Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
L.L. Cool J
The Monkees
Radiohead
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner
The Zombies

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/27/2018 @ 19:23pm

As you can see I revised my list for the 2019 nominees. I gave it more thought. I have deleted Gordon Lightfoot in favor of Judy Collins. I forgot about Judy Collins. She has a little more of a place in music history. This follows the trend of nominating woman in the folk subgenre.

Judy Collins was pretty influential in the 1960s like Joan Baez. Unlike Gordon Lighfoot she is still somewhat known in the wider popular culture.

I have also added Soundgarden. An act at the other end of the musical spectrum. Somehow I forgot to include them on my first list for 2019. Just a couple years ago 3 90s acts were nominated. I think the Hall wants to redeem their total snub of Soundgarden. I like some Soundgarden. I don't know them as well as some others on here. So my 3 90s picks are Beck,Radiohead and Soundgarden.

Most of the rest stays the same for now. I know a lot of 80s. I expect Eurythmics,Judas Priest and LL Cool J to all return. I think Kate Bush was just one they wanted to give a shot. Also I think its time for the Cure to return. I am NOT a fan but they were prevalent all through the 80s. I have a bunch of friends who like the Cure. I take that into account. They skipped a year with Janet Jackson so I think she will return as a nominee for 2019. Duran Duran may still have to wait and may be many years before Cindi Lauper is nominated. It would be after all these other 80s acts have gone in.

I look forward to responses to my new revised list. This list is also subject to change by August. Ok. You may begin the responses.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/28/2018 @ 07:53am

My early list of potential 2019 nominees:

Procol Harum
King Crimson
Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Sade
Sting
Kate Bush
Carly Simon
Pat Benatar
Tina Turner
J. Geil’s Band
Eurythmics
Depeche Mode
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
The Spinners
The Meters
The Zombies
Willie Nelson
Garth Brooks
Mary J. Blige
L.L. Cool J.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 02/28/2018 @ 09:40am

That 19-23 list is so beyond wack!For one, you really think NIN and Radiohead aren't getting in for another 4 years??? And Boston will NEVER get in!
#downwithallmediocreclassicrock

Posted by KXB on Wednesday, 02/28/2018 @ 09:45am

That 2019 group is so painfully lame BTW, aside from Priest and Zevon (neither of whom likely won't get in that year)... #wherethewomenat

Posted by KXB on Wednesday, 02/28/2018 @ 09:49am

My predictions for inductees (if six) in the next five years (2019-2023)

2019

Def Leppard
The Doobie Brothers
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Warren Zevon

2020

Boston
The J. Geils Band
The Notorious B.I.G
Pat Benatar
Sting
The Zombies

Musical Excellence

Willie Nelson

2021

Carole King
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Janet Jackson
Jay-Z

2022

The Cure
Depeche Mode
Eminem
Nine Inch Nails
Radiohead
Whitney Houston

2023

Beck
The Commodores
Mary J. Blige
Rage Against The Machine
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths

Musical Excellence

Todd Rundgren

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/28/2018 @ 10:46am

You''ll still be very wrong... #giveitup

Posted by KXB on Wednesday, 02/28/2018 @ 11:45am

KXB - I see you throw a lot of shade at people's predictions around here; but I don't see you making any attempts to predict for yourself.

And when you throw out things like: #wherethewomenat - well you should be asking the Rock Hall voters that question. They consistently don't put very many women in; so why would anybody predict that trend is going to suddenly change in upcoming years. The nominating committee is doing a slightly better job in trying to address the problem, but the main voting block doesn't seem to be much in alignment with that effort. And even within the nominating committee, they seem to have a certain amount of blindness. When asked about Stevie Nicks, they will reply "she's already in as a part of Fleetwood Mac"; if asked about Carole King they will note she's already in as a songwriter - but they don't let such double-entry concerns keep them from back dooring in Ringo Starr or from inducting Peter Gabriel on his own very shortly after having finally inducted Genesis.

I agree with you that its time to start getting more alternative, punk, etc. in to the HOF; but the voters don;t seem to be buying it, so why would anybody predict that trend to change anytime soon?

Prediction isn't about what you want to happen; it's about analyzing trends to make accurate projections of where they lead to.

So, back to my original point - you throw a lot of shade at other people's predictions; why don;t you go ahead and prove how much wiser you are than all of us by actually posting your own predictions for nominations and inductions for this next year.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 02/28/2018 @ 14:03pm

Hey FRL Regulars,

Assuming five or six acts per class, and 5-6 more years, I would expect the 25-30 next acts inducted to be in some order:

Nine Inch Nails
Judas Priest
The Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
Radiohead
LL Cool J
Rage Against The Machine
Beck
Janet Jackson
Jay-Z
Eminem
Foo Fighters
The Smiths
The Commodores
Duran Duran
Depeche Mode
Carole King
The Notorious B.I.G
Willie Nelson
The Zombies
Smashing Pumpkins
Whitney Houston
The Cure
Warren Zevon
Sting
The J. Geils Band
Mary J. Blige
Jethro Tull
Todd Rundgren
Def Leppard
Boston
Pat Benatar

What do you guys think?

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/28/2018 @ 17:11pm

Richie,
Your list is one of the more realistic ones posted. Doubtful that Boston will get a nomination, and J Geils and the Zombies may have missed their chance. Unlikely that Grand Funk, 3 Dog Night, Guess Who, Monkees, BS&T, etc. will receive nominations. Tommy James, Paul Revere and Raiders are also long shots.
I do anticipate the Shangri-Las receiving a nomination as they are a) very influential b) deserve it, c) fit criteria with only detriment being longevity.
I would also add Joe Cocker, Dionne Warwick, Harry Nilsson, Carly Simon as strong potentials, as well as hoping that Procol Harum receives another nominationt.

Posted by Mark on Wednesday, 02/28/2018 @ 18:20pm

So again. This is my revised list for the 2019 Rock n Roll Hall of Fame nominees.

Bad Company
Beck
Judy Collins
The Cure
Def Leppard
Doobie Brothers
Eurythmics
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
The Monkees
Radiohead
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Tina Turner
The Zombies

There was a lot of other chat going on. I figured I would repost it. Shrek and richie are 2 that could respond to the new list. Judy Collins is my Folk choice now. I am keeping in mind what Shrek said about the singer/songwriter category being nominated by women.

Also I have added Soundgarden. A good 90s choice I still cant believe they were snubbed after the death of Chris Cornell.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/1/2018 @ 07:49am

Ben - Your list seems fairly possible. I'm not personally really feeling any high likelihood of the Doobie Brothers popping up soon with the current nominating committee, but they do throw curve balls every now and then, so you never know. I definitely don't see them popping up on the same ballot as Bad Company and Jethro Tull - that seems like more 70s classic rock than the nominating committee is likely to put forward all at once.

I do think Jethro Tull could be coming up now that the Moody Blues and Yes are in.

And Paul Rodgers seems like he would be a strong draw for the HOF voters, and Bad Company is probably the strongest candidate to nominate him with. I could see him as a possible musical excellence selection due to his success in multiple bands - Free, Bad Company, The Firm, filling the singing void in Queen....

Steppenwolf seemed like a bit of a reach to me when they popped up as a surprise candidate. So while I enjoy them, I hope they don;t pop up again so soon.

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 03/1/2018 @ 13:01pm

Shrek,

That is a good point about the Doobie Brothers. I realize now that may be too much 70s Classic Rock at once. Bad Company and Jethro Tull are more likely than Doobie Brothers. I have said that my whole list is subject to change. I do think they may strengthen the 70s rock slightly from this year. The Moody Blues are most associated with the 60s. J Geils Band was the only Rock act that emerged in the 70s this year. I can re evaluate the Doobie Brothers by August.

Steppenwolf may be possible in the same way Paul Butterfield Blues Band used to pop up sometimes before induction. Steppenwolf could be a personal fav of older members on the Commitee.

What I really wanted to know is your thoughts on Judy Collins. She follows the trend of nominating women in the folk sub genre. You inspired my change in the folk choice. Judy Collins may be kind of likely based on the trend.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/1/2018 @ 14:17pm

Shrek,

Which acts do you see getting nominated for the Rock Hall and being inducted into the Rock Hall in the next five years (2019 2020 2021 2022 and 2023)?

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/1/2018 @ 14:46pm

Why are there only 4 artists who are neither American or British in the Hall?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 03/1/2018 @ 14:48pm

Ben/Shrek, I'm on paper as loving the Doobies & they should have been in the Hall years ago. We only inducted them for 2022 class, so that gives you an idea of their situation.

Maybe it's the number of members, the times those voters saw their acts below the Doobies on the charts back in their heyday, the name...

I don't know. There is a backlog of deserving acts (given the number they induct), so that doesn't help them. I'm confident that by 2060, they'll be in.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 03/1/2018 @ 19:44pm

While it is definitely too early to predict next year's nominees, I thought I'd have a little fun and come up with a ballot strictly made up of artists who have never been nominated before. This is my own personal ballot:

Alice In Chains
The B-52s
Pat Benatar
Joe Cocker
Jim Croce
Def Leppard
Nick Drake
INXS
Iron Maiden
The Monkees
Harry Nilsson
Smashing Pumpkins
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
A Tribe Called Quest

I'd love to see what anyone else's list would look like. Something fun to do during the lull until the Induction Ceremony.

Posted by Greg P. on Thursday, 03/1/2018 @ 20:47pm

Shoot, its been awhile since I've posted on here; so needless to say I haven't kept close tabs to this thread. For me its just way too early to predict whats in store for October. I do think its safe to say that more than half of the people who were on the 2017 Nomination ballot will appear again. Especially Radiohead, the Eurythmics, and others. I don't know what it will take for Kraftwerk (for the longest time, they are the most important act not in the RRHOF, imo) to get in. It would be cool for the Doobies to get on the board as well, as local favorite Michael McDonald deserves to get in. That could open the doors for Kenny Loggins! I'm just getting ahead of myself, I guess

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 03/1/2018 @ 23:40pm

Hey FRL Regulars,

Which acts do you guys see being inducted in the next five years (2019 2020 2021 2022 and 2023)?

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 00:23am

richie,

You need to dial it back. That's five posts on this topic in the past week. And you're not growing the discussion beyond reposting your lists over the next five years. It's not the exact same post five times, but it's basically trying to restart the conversation five times in one week. Please back it off a little bit. Thank you.

And no, I still have no interest in discussing any predictions of mine any time soon. I'm doing my own project right now on my blog that you could get involved with if you wanted, and in fact, I invite anyone to jump in on. But no, I'm still not having this discussion yet.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 01:37am

Follower - While your deeper question has merit, I believe you need to count again. There are definitely more than four HOF acts that are not from Britain or America. Just off the top of my head, I know there are at least four Canadians in the Hall: Rush, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, and Leonard Cohen. There are two Jamaicans: Bob Marley and Jimmy Cliff; ABBA is in from Sweden; AC/DC is from Australia.

But, yes, the HOF is dominated by American acts with a lot of classic rock English acts as well. The HOF is an American institution, so if the bands never broke out big here in America, they aren't getting in. Which is why Kraftwerk likely still isn't in. One of the most influential bands of the last 50 years; but they are pretty much a "cult band" here in America. Musicians know them, critics know them, EDM fans know them, but the broader culture doesn't.

The Scorpions did well here, so with Bon Jovi now in the HOF, there seems a chance they could be inducted one day.

Ben - I've got nothing but respect for Judy Collins. My mom is a huge folk fan, so I grew up with Collins' voice and Joan Baez, Joni Mitchell, and Kate Wolf, etc. filling the house. She fits my thoughts on the HOF targeting women and POC that fit in the singer-songwriter category because those nominees usually do well which helps ensure some diversity in the nominees. She is a possibility but I'm not feeling in my gut that this seems like her year for some reason. I can't criticize the choice at all; I'm just not personally feeling it. Maybe because I'm feeling like Gil Scot-Heron just seems inevitable in the wake of Joan Baez and Nina Simone inductions.

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 02:03am

Shrek,

Thanks for your response. I will probably stick with Judy Collins since she is female. They seem to be catching up on Female singer/songwriters of the 60s. I was tempted to pick Carole King but there is a trend women further back than that.

My Whole list is subject to change. Judy Collins is one I Will most likely keep the same. Also Bad Company, Jethro Tull and the Monkees I expect to keep. A bunch of others could change. I may add an 80s act for instance. I wont figure this out until August.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 11:34am

Shrek,

I don't know why I forgot about Canada. Maybe because the country is known for music that tends to be flashes in the pan or not well received, with the obvious exceptions of the artists in the hall. But yes, there are only 4 acts are neither British, Canadian, or American, and that needs to be changed.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 14:55pm

Just to feed ritchie's persistence. I'll take a crack at five inductees for the next 5 years.

2019 - I already predicted
Pat Benatar
The Commodores
Judas Priest
Radiohead
Gil Scott-Heron

2020 -
Bad Company
The Cure
Fela Kuti
Stevie Nicks
Roxy Music

2021-
Cher
Def Leppard
Foo Fighters
Herbie Hancock
Jay-Z

2022 -
- The B-52s
- Motorhead
- Notorious B.I.G.
- Tina Turner
- Steve Winwood

2023 -
- Dick Dale
- Eurythmics
- Janet Jackson
- The Wailers
- Wilco

Posted by Shrek on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 15:37pm

Phillip,
Do you have a problem with my son Richie? I have noticed now that you have berated him twice now since the start of 2018 & I am unsure exactly why. In the beginning my son was commenting far too much simply because he is Autistic, got very excited & over-zealous in regards to the Hall of Fame. Then I came into the picture to help him. Since he has returned he has been very respectful in his posts & has made several friends through here that he now connects with on other Social Media sites. He also had a truly wonderful comment on here from a very nice man ( Ben) who told him he is very smart & knowledgeable pertaining to music. I can not see where my son is doing any wrong on here ( I'm monitoring him) & yet twice now you have somewhat attacked & berated him for no justifiable or valid reason. Everyone from what I see seems to have no problem with him, other than you. So I reiterate again, what is your problem with my son Richie? Rock & Roll people, in my opinion are some of the best people, kind, tolerant, accepting, compassionate,understanding & empathic. I grew up in the Rock & Roll world, with friends like Doug Bennett, Steve Bosley,all members of Streetheart & my dearest friend, Darby Mills ( Headpins) & I have passed my love of music on to my son. So if you have a problem please bring it to my attention because I'm starting to feel like you're trying to have my son kicked off this site & I'm not sure why. I pray I'm wrong because though the Internet is filled nowadays with so called Digital Warriors who have nothing better to do than attack & belittle those who are vulnerable, but a site based on Rock & Roll & the great values it stands for is NOT the place for it. So please stop it. My son is doing no wrong & is trying to make friends & connect with people..Do you feel there's something wrong with that?...Thank you.

Posted by Sheri on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 17:18pm

Hey Richie!

I really admire your enthusiasm on music in general and your wide spread appreciation for all kinds of music.

I'm from Europe - and I really like this fact (the EU after Michael is an unmistakeable hint). English is not my first language. That means I'm not particularly familiar with the US Billboard 100 nor US charts in general. But I think music doesn't need a language. La Vie En Rose or La Bamba or Autobahn or This Land is Your Land - that doesn't really matter. I really wanted to write to you Richie, but please forgive me, if there were some grammatical errors in my posts. I do my very best to interact with you as well as possible.

I noticed your posts of the last few months very well - and your list of possible nominees is very impressive. Although I think there won't be a 32 nominees strong ballot, I'll give you my list of 32 deserving artists:

2018 nominees:
Kate Bush
Eurythmics
Depeche Mode
Link Wray
Radiohead
Judas Priest
Chaka Khan

Kraftwerk
The Cure
Connie Francis
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
Willie Nelson
Pixies
The Smiths
The Sonics
Harry Belafonte
The Shangri-La's
Sting
PJ Harvey
Peter, Paul & Mary
Sir Douglas Quintet
Nine Inch Nails
Smashing Pumpkins
Television
Cher
Tina Turner (solo)
Jim Croce
Nick Drake
Iron Maiden
Motörhead
Massive Attack
The Jam

You've also asked, who we think will be inducted the next couple of years.

Well.
That is pure guessing. If there were just 5 inductees each year, my future classes would look like this:

2019 -
Radiohead
Depeche Mode
Sting
Doobie Brothers
INXS

2020 -
Chaka Khan
Willie Nelson
The Monkees
Manfred Mann's Earth Band
The Zombies

2021 -
King Crimson
The Spinners
Whitney Houston
Janet Jackson
Nine Inch Nails

2022 -
Kate Bush
The Commodores
Eminem
Joy Division
Iggy Pop


2023 -
Coldplay
Sonic Youth
The Go-Go's
Link Wray
Joe Tex

So Richie, I'm curious what you think about my predictions.

Kind regards, Michael.

Posted by MichaelEU on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 21:38pm

Sheri,

I really don't see how you can be all that puzzled about why I've spoken to your son twice this year in such a fashion. I don't have a problem with his character. I'm sure he is a very fine young man. However, I have stated clearly both times what the issue is, and it is the same in both instances. The first time I said something to him, it was a little over a week after the inductees had been announced. He had posted 11 times within the first 8 days of that announcement, every time asking the same thing, who we thought were going to be the inductees for the class of 2019. The same question 11 times in 8 days. You don't think that's a bit excessive? After I posted that first message, I received private messages from other regulars thanking me for saying something.

And then he reduced the frequency. Once a week or so. I was fine with that and didn't say anything to him about the frequency. Personally, I don't even think we should be discussing the next year's class until, at the very least, after the induction ceremony's broadcast on HBO. But other posters are already discussing it too. But this past week or so, he posted the same bit five times. Now, put this into context: if a coworker who you weren't best friends with but didn't dislike either asked you five times over the course of the week who you thought was gonna play the Halftime show at the next Superbowl, as well as who would sing the anthem, wouldn't you be just a wee bit tired of it by the fifth time? So, I very (I thought) tactfully but unambiguously informed him that his frequency was getting to be a bit much.

Maybe my fuse isn't as long as it once was, but a lot of the other veterans of this board can regale you with the stories of this board being overrun with obsessive fans. From mobs of fans of particular artists, one of whose the thread had to be buried and only accessible by clicking on the artist's link on this site. From singular superfans to prog fetishists, we've seen this board deal with multiple inundations. Your son's not a troll, but it is bordering on flood-posting. It might be a little different if he expounded on his rationales, or discussed the merits of his predicted inductees in greater depth, but nope. Just asking us, and sometimes attaching his lists. Five times in a week's span.

I'm not trying to be mean to your son. You want to see mean, check out KXB's short responses to what richie has said. I'd love to see richie stick around here, but a lot of great posters here have left or they now come here a LOT less often because of people with very compulsive posting habits (yes, I know your son does not have OCD... for want of a better adjective). I'm not administration, but I enjoy coming here enough to want to do my part to help this place to be a welcome haven for all Rock Hall enthusiasts, too. I don't want your son to feel driven away, but neither do I want neurotypical members of the community to get driven off because people who are not inadvertently, obliviously drive them off with their socially less preferable posting habits. We can be and are tolerant of autistic people, but that doesn't mean we have to let them post unchecked either.

You say you're monitoring your son's activity, so maybe we should actually work towards finding a happy medium. Although, you should also be aware that what I would consider a fair compromise might not be agreed upon by others here.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 22:04pm

Phillip, I know exactly which two times in 2018 you are referring to & I reiterate yet again I see nothing Richie has done wrong & many people on here have complimented him. You state that many regulars have messaged you to thank you & yet no one has posted anything on here but you. As to my son asking questions he is only trying to connect & learn from the many tolerant & kind people on here. I am not referring to you. I find your attitude ignorant & void of decency or integrity. I question whether your words come more from a place of ego. Many people on here comment many times without others berating them & though my son may not communicate as well as you he still deserves the chance to try. With all due respect Phillip I feel sorry for you for I sense you can't see past some people's differences & allow all people to not only be themselves but be the way God made them. I pray one day you see the light & find your heart....If anyone else on here has a problem with my son Richie as Phillip states please have the decency to come forward & let me know...To all the wonderful, amazing & knowledgeable people who have talked too & helped my son learn, I thank you & many blessings.

Posted by Sheri on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 22:43pm

Phillip, I know exactly which two times in 2018 you are referring to & I reiterate yet again I see nothing Richie has done wrong & many people on here have complimented him. You state that many regulars have messaged you to thank you & yet no one has posted anything on here but you. As to my son asking questions he is only trying to connect & learn from the many tolerant & kind people on here. I am not referring to you. I find your attitude ignorant & void of decency or integrity. I question whether your words come more from a place of ego. Many people on here comment many times without others berating them & though my son may not communicate as well as you he still deserves the chance to try. With all due respect Phillip I feel sorry for you for I sense you can't see past some people's differences & allow all people to not only be themselves but be the way God made them. I pray one day you see the light & find your heart....If anyone else on here has a problem with my son Richie as Phillip states please have the decency to come forward & let me know...To all the wonderful, amazing & knowledgeable people who have talked too & helped my son learn, I thank you & many blessings.

Posted by Sheri on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 22:43pm

Hi MichaelEU,

Thank You for your kind words, it's nice to meet you, I like all of your predictions, it seems like you have a great love of music too, I look forward to talking to you again, Have a great night.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 22:50pm

Sheri,

You are being ridiculous. I didn't say "many regulars," I said "other regulars." Your son is not "asking questions," he is asking ONE question, repeatedly. He also tried flood-posting on my blog, which I quickly nixed, and I warned WELL ahead of time that I'd delete posts that were way too premature about next year's class. If you think I'm the only one who finds it at the very least redundant, again, I suggest you look at what KXB has written. As far as your ad hominem attacks, well, I find it is you who are being ignorant. But I forgive you. You are a mother defending her child, and I cannot hold that against you. But you don't not know me, and your conclusions reached on this forum are from incomplete data. In fact, I believed I was being kind in saying something BEFORE the comments got meaner than what KXB had already said. But, if you'd prefer, I'll not say anything. Maybe they won't get meaner, but maybe they will.

And I still refuse to even formulate any predictions for next year. As I've said, I'll wait until summer, thank you very much.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 23:33pm

*you do not know me,

Posted by Philip on Friday, 03/2/2018 @ 23:36pm

Phillip, Well the backtracking begins. So truth be told ( at last) it is you & one other KXB that has a problem with my son asking questions. You now state my son has asked the same question over & over again yet in your previous comment you stated he asked questions that changed a bit. Which is the truth? Yes, Richie likes to ask questions & formulate others opinions into his views. How simply horrible of him. You state that he commented 5 times in 5 days, that is one comment or question on a site that is set up for all to converse & ask questions. Again, how horrific of my son. Shall we hang him at dawn? Or perhaps chop off his fingers so he can never type again or dare to approach others with questions so he may learn. Would that be suitable punishment for him? Does it bother you that he has made friends here & that people now praise his knowledge & smarts about Rock & Roll? Or perhaps it offends your ego that one very nice man ( mark) recently told him that his list was the most realistic. Phillip, Again I state from your comments this is more about your ego than anything else. Do you understand the origins of Rock & Roll & how it came to be? Rock & Roll was started by a group of amazing, gifted & talented Artists that sat outside the main stream of Society? The so called outcasts who wanted a style of music that gave them freedom to convey what came from their heart & soul. Now by your comments you & KXB would rather it be more about the NT male & your views & ways of doing things. I can't help but wonder what the greats like Elvis, Janis, Johnny, Jerry Lee, etc would feel about that? Personally, I can't help but feel they would be gravely disappointed & saddened by your narrow-minded views on those who side on the sidelines in todays world. You stated you don't want my son to leave the site yet your actions say the opposite. You pretty much stated that my son could be here but could not comment or ask questions & must do things the NT way. Excuse me? Now you are right, I don't personally know you but your comments & actions speak volumes & show everyone on this thread your character, not my son's. Yes, my son read & commented on your blog. Is that not what blogs are for? To obtain feedback from your followers in regards to your opinions & views? Don't worry though as I've instructed my son to not talk to or ask you or KXB any more questions on here or your blog & he has now unfollowed you on Twitter. The only mistake my son has made since the start of this year was to reach out to you & KXB in hopes of gaining viable knowledge from you & KXB. We see now you have no viable knowledge to offer him but I will say one thing, you have clearly taught my son a viable lesson in a twisted & cruel way. You have taught all what a man should NOT be. I have taught my son to be a good man, to care about others, to have strong morals, values, integrity,to include all, to be kind, considerate, strong yet not mean. Your actions & words have shown him my teachings were right & accurate. You forgive me?..lol..For speaking the truth? For not allowing you to campaign for the removal of my son from this site? Gee thanks, I can sleep at night now knowing that knowledge. Now my son will not contact you or KXB anymore but he has made friends here & many have praised him so you will not deny him the right to connect with those who wish to talk to him. If you choose to attack him or be mean to him ( as you stated) that will be your choice but you are only showing everyone on here the true type of man you are by picking on someone who is vulnerable & innocent..Again, I pray you one day see the light & find your heart....Thank you.

Posted by Sheri on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 13:39pm

Shrek,

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions, it means a lot to me to gain knowledge and other's opinions, I really like your lists, Thanks again and Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 14:09pm

Phillip

I seriously hope you will never get the chance to run a business if that's going to be your attitude towards Richie. As a person with Aspegers Syndrome myself, you will inevitably run in to people like me and him which may mean an onslaught of repetitive question and sure, you aren't obliged to like it, but you are going to have to bite the bullet and not lash out at him. You should be ashamed of yourself for speaking to Richie the way you have here.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 14:44pm

Nicky Joe,

Thank you so much for your wonderful support and your great lists, My mom and I thank you from the bottom of our hearts, Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 15:09pm

richie,

I see you are getting support from others besides me. I think most of us appreciate your knowledge. So I would guess you like my revised Nominee list. You will notice that I changed my singer/songwriter choice to Judy Collins. I am mulling over Doobie Brothers. I am confident in more modern choices like Beck, the Cure, Eurythmics and Radiohead.

So guess what I am going to bend my own rule. I will answer question e. Inductees for 2019.
It is total guessing. Out of respect I will answer an extra question.

2019 Rock n'Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

Judy Collins
Def Leppard
Eurythmics
Janet Jackson
Jethro Tull
The Monkees

I would like to know your opinion of my Inductee predictions.

God bless you.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 17:02pm

Ben,

Thank you so much for your support and kind words, Thank you for answering my question e, and bending your rule, it means a lot to me, I like your list very much but I do differ with your view on Judy Collins, simple because I think she'd be better for the Early Influence category, but I think your list rocks, Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 17:19pm

Phillip and Nicky Joe

I agree with Nicky Joe

Many of the brightest and most wonderful folks I know are on the spectrum one degree or another.
I can't tell you how many artist, scientist
are.,A LOT.. not counting the conman man..They see things different Gosh , with out spectrum people this world would be in the "dark ages"
..lol You can learn a lot from their special point of view and questions Enjoy and learn.

Love to all
Pillip

I seriously hope you will never get the chance to run a business if that's going to be your attitude towards Richie. As a person with Aspegers Syndrome myself, you will inevitably run in to people like me and him which may mean an onslaught of repetitive question and sure, you aren't obliged to like it, but you are going to have to bite the bullet and not lash out at him. You should be ashamed of yourself for speaking to Richie the way you have here.

Posted by Drrock on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 18:10pm

richie,

Well nice response but just a small lesson. Judy Collins emerged in the 1960s.The 1960s era is still for Performers. The 50s is a different story. Even there though Link Wray was nominated and Nina Simone is in fact inducted. Judy Collins started her career around 1965. Joan Baez started a little earlier. There was a few years in which 60s acts were not even nominated. They are back but there is now a misconception that some would be early influence.

Case in point. Little Anthony, The Hollies, the Marvelettes, Donovan and Paul Butterfield BB have all been nominated and many of these nominated. I am willing to say that a lot of 50s acts would be early influence. Not 60s acts. Judy Collins emerged in the 60s. Ask your Mom. She is a terrific help.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 18:20pm

Ben,

Cool, I didn't know that, thank you so much for letting me know, My Mom agrees with what you say, and Thank You, Have an awesome day.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 18:28pm

Ben and richie
Its confusing because this form has her in 1987 . She may for recorded something in the late 50's very ealy 60's but she did become renown until mid 60's or late 60s 1967? So who know LOL
Any WHo she should be in years ago IMO .....Love her stuff. One of My favorite is "Amazing Grace" with the Harlem Boys Choir Just tear jerking She has the voice of an angel LOL

Posted by Drrock on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 18:51pm

Typo
are.,A LOT.. not counting the "conman" man
meant "common" man LOL
on with the show LOL

Posted by Drrock on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 19:22pm

Drrock,

I was a bit confused about your post. You had a few typos I think. You said a form has her in 1987. I think you wrote the wrong year. Did You mean either 1957 or 1967 perhaps?

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 20:26pm

Nicky Joe,

I have dated someone who was on the spectrum, and when we broke up, it wasn't because of her being on the spectrum. I have worked with people who have autism. One thing that I can say was true in both situations, they often had to be told when what they were doing was socially inappropriate. To me and to many others here, this place is more than just a forum, it's a community, a social gathering around the music we love. And with that comes the usual social folkways and mores of online behavior, netiquette, if you will. I believe my comments were civil, but that a harsh tone was inferred, where none was intended. But if people here are fine with the feed being filled with an oft repeated post with only slight variations, then fine, I'll back off. It seems that most of the people who were sick of it when Roy and Enig did it are gone now, for the most part, and those who remain don't care.

Sheri/Richie,

I assure you, there is absolutely no need to avoid me. I wasn't trying to "pick on the vulnerable" as you accuse. I don't do that, no matter how much you insist. My tone was meant to be like that of someone who gently pulls a person aside. Clearly, that tone did not translate well.
There really is no need to continue like this. I still have no clue by what you mean by insisting that it's about my ego. I'm all for the exchange of ideas and enjoy learning new things every day, and I believe that over time we'll appreciate each other as resources. Really, the worst you can say about me is that I'm not a patient person, and you might be right there, though that is something I am trying to work on. But that does not make me a monster, as you are trying to paint me.

You may not care for me a whole lot now, and that's fine. Again, I forgive you for your hostility. Just know that you are not my enemies, so feel free to talk to me.

Just please don't flood-post my blog with multiple posts that essentially say/ask the same thing. Once in awhile is fine.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 20:46pm

I was referring on this Form {FRL} date of being able for induction 1986 aka 1962 ? first recording ?
I always think of her in he mid late 60's 66/ 67?
Not sure when her first air played song came out didn't think it was 62 of late 50's LOL Ya never know

Posted by Drrock on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 21:11pm

Judy Collins I will be darn 1961 not a big hit but .......

Posted by Drrock on Saturday, 03/3/2018 @ 23:33pm

Drrock,

You had a sudden revelation of 1961 for the first release of Judy Collins. You must have googled it. I just did. Wow. I did not know that. Wickepedia says her breakthtrough was Wildflowers album in 1967. I was thinking first release was 1965. I am not a Judy Collins or Folk music expert. I know some Judy Collins. I am NOT just into The Old Classic Rock. A lot of My Fav acts are Old Classic Rock acts but I do like some Judy Collins. Send in the Clowns is very good. I like all kinds of music. We were both right about her emerging in the 60s. Even if it is 1961 for her first release. LOL.

You may be my age or a little older. You certainly know that no 60s act is an early influence. Joan Baez isnt so Judy C isnt either. I am sticking with her as a nominee for 2019

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/4/2018 @ 08:26am

richie,

So just to further the lesson on the Early acts of the performer category. Such acts of the 60s as Ben E. King, Lesley Gore, Shangri Las and Peter, Paul and Mary would NOT be in the early influence category they are Performers. Thats the way it always was 10-15 years ago.

Originally it was any act of the Rock Era which started in 1955. I am NOT so sure the acts that emerged 1955-1959 would all be performers. I dont know so much about those.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/4/2018 @ 10:38am

Phillip, I read what you wrote to Nicky-Jo & us & I must say...WOW..I find you to be condescending, arrogant, ignorant & a master at turning & twisting words. It seems you have a very hard time sharing this site with those who are different & that you believe your way is the only way. I find it hard to believe as well that you've spent any time around us Autistic's for if you had there would be far more understanding & acceptance. You can not force people to be who you want them to be, you must accept them for who they are. Even the Supreme Court recognises that now. I don't appreciate how you twist & turn words to appear as a victim in this scenario. You are not. You hurt my son badly for no justifiable reason other than your wants & needs. Many now have shown their support for my son & have welcomed him with open arms. Those are true Rock & Rollers, true men. You could learn much from them! I never at any time stated you were a monster, your words & actions have done that on your own. As for your comment about my son being able to talk to you..Thanks but no thanks..I wish my son to be surrounded by people who are capable of acceptance, unconditional love & understanding & though I mean no offence, I do not believe you have those qualities. So please leave my son alone & he will leave you alone as well...Thank you.

Posted by Sheri on Sunday, 03/4/2018 @ 10:58am

Phillip

RUBBISH!!! I bet you weren't willing to put up with her differences and you working with autistic people is probably most likely to you being a T.A. at a primary school yelling at autistic children for refusing to do work (something I will openly confess I was guilty of doing as a youngster) and doing nothing to get them motivated because they need to act like a "normal child".

You strike me as the kind of person that if you had an autistic child, you would want to cure them because "Waa! He hit me! I can't go anywhere with him not having a "tantrum"! Life is so awful because of him!" and you would stand by Autism Speaks like a guard dog.

When will realise the errors of your oppressive attitude towards Richie (and by extension myself)!?

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 03/4/2018 @ 11:53am

Phillip

"When will you realise"
My bad

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 03/4/2018 @ 11:53am

Nicky Joe,

You Rock!! Mom and I couldn't said it better ourselves, many, many blessings, and Have a wonderful day, Thank You.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/4/2018 @ 12:06pm

I am sorry, but I have been very busy with work for the past several months. I must say however that the most recent postings on this thread have been quite interesting.

Sheri,

I do not think that Philip has been deliberately mean to richie. Philip and I have have certainly had our disagreements over the years, but he is not a bad guy, overall. I only wish that Philip would be much more open minded about progressive rock.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/4/2018 @ 13:47pm

Ben,

Cool! Thank You for letting me know that, I think you are a very nice man, and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with me anytime I ask, I'm learning very much from you, Thanks again and Have a wonderful day.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/4/2018 @ 15:09pm

Hi Enig, It is good to see you back on here! I truly hope you are doing well & getting some much needed R&R now. Yes, I wanted to think the best about Phillip at first as well. When he berated Richie a few months back I let it go & Richie was not on for quite sometime but then he came back on & Phillip did it again. I felt the need to question why. If you're just reading his last message where he portrays himself as a victim of misunderstanding it would appear that way but his first & second message, I believe ( & others as well) truly conveys the real Phillip. He told me straight out that he feels that this is a neuro-typical site & that those who can not communicate in a NT fashion should not be allowed. In essense people like myself, my son & others are ruining the site for him & others. He stated other regulars had messaged him to complain but then he had to backtrack & state it was KXB & him that had a problem. Not one other person has come forward to complain & truth be told the out pouring of support & friendship towards my son on here & now Twitter is what prompted his change in stance to now playing a victim. I truly believe Phillip would've been filled with joy if Richie was kicked off here which would break my son's heart. He loves this site so much & holds so many of you in the highest regard & that is why, in his way, he is trying to reach out, connect & learn from you all. He looks at all of you in such awe as you are all so knowledgeable in Rock & Roll music, a subject now very near & dear to his heart. Believe it or not he once thought Phillip was like a Rock & Roll Guru as he also has his own blog. So that is why he so badly tried to connect with him in hopes of gaining knowledge from him. That will not be happening again. I'm sorry, for you may know him but I do not trust him to be a mentor ( for lack of a better word) in my son's life. Richie has had more discrimination from this world then any young man should ever have to face. Though he is now 21 he is still very young at heart & always will be which makes him extremely innocent & vulnerable...Have an awesome day Enig & many blessings...:-)

Posted by Sheri on Sunday, 03/4/2018 @ 17:40pm

Richie

I apologise for not getting back to you sooner but you're more than welcome. Nice to see you aren't getting discouraged by Phillip and his old fashioned take of people like us.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 03/4/2018 @ 18:12pm

Enigmaticus,

Thank you for your kind words. They mean a lot coming from you.

Nicky Joe,

I'm a lot of things--impatient, stubborn, and willing to argue with a fence post--but not a pathological liar. I wouldn't lie about something like that. I can't make you believe me, but you can't change my experiences with people who have autism. What I have said was true. Our breakup had nothing to do with her autistic "tics" (her word, not mine), and I have never screamed at an autistic person, though I did grab and pull one once--he was about to get hit with a cart that had an unplugged-but-still-very-warm toaster on it, and the person on the other side of the cart who was pushing it, didn't see him standing there. So I grabbed the guy and pulled him out of the way, because even if I'd yelled, the person pushing it might not have heard me over the sound of the cart rolling, and probably wouldn't have been able to stop in time. You have piqued my curiosity with one thing you said though, regarding the "errors of (my) oppressive (and old-fashioned) attitude." My work experience with people who have autism (I was told once that it's insensitive to say "autistic people," so I'm trying to avoid that) included a guy who, once comfortable with a co-worker, started sharing his sexual fantasies involving Lizzie Borden. Autism wasn't the dude's only condition, as you've probably gathered. Nevertheless, he had to be repeatedly reminded that this was inappropriate, though he never received any disciplinary action. That's what we did years ago. What would now be considered the enlightened, non-oppressive course of action? I realize that comes off really snotty, but I really ask sincerely, because any neurotypical who did this would be terminated on the spot, even today. Are neurotypical people supposed to just bear that? Are (or should) people with autism (be) exempt from sexual harassment complaints, since many have difficulties with neurotypical social conventions?

Sheri,

Thrice now you have attacked me with vitriol and/or sarcasm. Thrice now I am responding, taking extra care to make sure it is clear that I speak with a calm and civil tone. That should speak something to my claim that I was not trying to badger your son. I'm not claiming to be a victim. I said it was a misunderstanding. That's not twisting words; that's what I said. Often with misunderstandings, there is no real victim, and I don't claim victimhood here. But think back to when richie first started coming here, posting his theory about there being a supersized class, posting it multiple times a day. Do you remember how other people jumped on him because he was posting it more than once a day, with little deviation? Do you remember how I suggested we back off him? First, I thought he might have been a minor, but when he told us he was not, I was 99% certain he had autism, and I told you that. Now you may think I'm condescending and arrogant, but the fact is your son was picked on once because of his posting habits, with words much meaner than anything I have said to him either time. I can only ask you to believe me, but I've been trying to prevent what happened before from happening again. I'm glad richie is here. His enthusiasm is a much needed shot in the arm. I truly believe that I appreciate and accept him; however, as a parent is sometimes worn out by their exuberant child with their seemingly endless supply of energy, so too I got fatigued by how he expressed his boundless enthusiasm. If nothing else, I do want to apologize for that. But when KXB (who never contacted me before, btw) started picking on him, I took it upon myself to say something before other people joined in on picking on richie. But I suppose that is your job, not mine, and for that also, I apologize. I am glad to see though that everyone else has been overwhelmingly supportive of him. That is hopeful. I do not hate richie at all. If I did, I would do exactly what you have asked: leave him alone. To leave him alone would be to ignore him, to shun him, to pretend that he doesn't exist and that we are better off for it. That is not my attitude at all, and so I will not do as you have requested. We work hard to be a community of friendship on this forum, and despite this encounter, that is exactly how I view richie: a friend.

richie,

I am sorry if any of this has soured your enthusiasm for this hobby of ours. Don't let that light inside you go out.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 03/4/2018 @ 21:57pm

Since it's more likely to get noticed here:

The "Inducted Members" page has neither a star nor an age listed for Glouster "Nat" Rogers and Charles Sutton. Apparently FLR doesn't know if they are alive or not. FLR really needs to tell us on that page if they are still alive. (which I doubt, but they still need to fix it.)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 00:41am

Phillip, Again...WOW...You are a master wordsmith. You may twist & turn words all you want but there's a funny thing about the truth, you can push it down, try to distort or hide it but it always comes back up to the top. You would make a great Politician. Now this childish conversation is over & it's time to let the good folks on here get back to what this thread is about...Rock & Roll..As I've stated my son will never again approach you with questions & respect your views & I would appreciate you doing the same for him. Please don't try to turn the tables with my son again & appear to now be his friend as 2 days ago he was nothing but a disturbance & pain in the butt to you....Thank you.

Posted by Sheri on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 10:44am

Foreigner will win the fan poll next year!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 10:55am

How they gonna do that when they won't even get nominated (and they won't!)? #lamelogic

Posted by KXB on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 11:25am

Richie-

Welcome to FRL!

As someone who has worked in Human Services for over a decade as a support staff (as well as having been diagnosed with Asperger’s as a teenager). I think it is phenomenal that you have found our little music community. Music helped me through some tough times when I was younger and learning more about it has always been a passion of mine (as well as passing my love of music on to my sons and daughter). I mostly just stick to the voting projects but when checking the revisited project board I happened upon your question about projecting the next few years of rock hall inductees and was intrigued. Before I found this my musical knowledge was broad (particularly classical/movie scores, jazz, 60’s, progressive rock and 90’s rock) but definitely had some gaps in knowledge on things that I did not grow up with (early punk, 80’s alternative/industrial and 2010’s in general come to mind). This site and many of the posters have absolutely helped broaden my musical horizons.

Anyway though I’m getting a bit off track. I took a look at your list of potential inductees for the next five years and I gotta say I’m impressed with some of your choices. One thing to keep in mind is that the Rock Hall tends to fluctuate the number of acts that they nominate every year though the last few years they have stuck to nominating between 15 and 19 and sometimes throw someone onto the ballot that gets inducted in a different category like what happened with Sister Rosetta Tharpe this past year. They are also at a weird crossroads where they cant decide whether to cater to popular acts or influential acts (Bon Jovi got in before Roxy Music or Kraftwerk: wtf??!!). The problem is they spent so much time inducting 50’s and 60’s acts that they’re still playing catch up on the 70’s when in reality they should have been deep into inducting the 80’s and 90’s by now.

As for my picks I’ll try to pick with my head and not my heart and for the sake of argument I’ll go 6 inductees per year here goes nothing:

2019

Def Leppard
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Eurythmics
LL Cool J
Radiohead

Musical Excellence:

The Meters

2020

The Spinners
Beck
The Notorious B.I.G
Pat Benatar
Warren Zevon
Kraftwerk

Musical Excellence

Willie Nelson

2021

Soundgarden
The Smiths
The Zombies
Foo Fighters
Janet Jackson
Jay-Z

Musical Excellance

Brian Eno

2022

T.Rex
The Cure
Link Wray
Nine Inch Nails
Whitney Houston
Foreigner

2023

Eminem
The Commodores
Roxy Music
Dionne Warwick
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths

Musical Excellence

Todd Rundgren

Posted by Tom H. on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 12:35pm

What a surprise, KXB provides yet more shade without taking the risk of attempting to provide superior prognostication.

In this case I agree that Foreigner seems highly unlikely to be the next populist candidate coming out of this current nominating committee; though I again take exception for the harsh approach KXB takes in a simple disagreement over somebody's simple attempt at a prediction.

If Foreigner was indeed nominated, I would agree that they would be very likely to win the fan vote; but they have to be nominated for that to happen.

That said, please oh wise sage KXB, bless us all with your brilliant predictions; so all of us mere mortal yokels can stare slack jawed with wonder and adoration at the flawless beauty of your superior mind.

Posted by shrek on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 12:50pm

Tom H.,

Thank you so much for your kind words and acceptance, Music is my love too and My Mom taught me to talk through Country Music, My Love now has turned to Rock & Roll, My Mom loves Music too and passed on her love to me, I think it's really cool that you are doing the same with your children, I love your lists and I thank you so much for doing it, I happened to notice that you listed The Smiths twice, does that mean that you think they will be nominated twice and then get in?, it's nice to meet you, Thanks again, and Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 13:14pm

Richie-

That was a typo on my part. The 80's are a weird decade to predict because that's when music really started to fragment into subgenres (even more so then the 70's) and so anything that is "unconventional" tends to get shoved aside in favor of more tradtional sounding, but still often worthy, rock acts (see Dire Straits). If I would guess I would say that an act like Bad Company or Iron Maiden would get that slot to fill in as the populist pick.

Posted by Tom H. on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 14:03pm

Tom H.,

I agree with your lists, and what you say about the 50's, 60's, 70's, & 80's, and I like your replacements for The Smiths, in either 2021, or 2023, Have a great day.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 14:55pm

Sheri,

Another funny thing about truth is that it is almost never as binary as we try to make it: the Samaritan woman truthfully said she had no husband, but the whole truth was that she'd had five husbands and was shacking up with a sixth dude. Friends may be disturbances and occasional pains in the butt to each other, but they are still friends throughout it. But you are right that it is time to turn the discussion back to rock and roll. I will still respect his opinion and talk to him, even if and when he never replies.

Shrek,

Foreigner is something of the populists' choice right now. I don't fully grasp it either, but I also really don't like Foreigner either, so that may be hindering my vision. It can be described as a grassroots effort, but it doesn't have the traction of the InductJanet campaign. Then again, the same thing happened with Bill Withers a few years ago. There were just murmurings about him, and somehow it swelled up, and before we knew it, he was nominated and then inducted. How the support built up, I can't begin to guess, but it's almost like spontaneous combustion in how quickly it caught and grew. The same could happen to Foreigner.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 16:15pm

Phillip

Just stop typing. There's only one thing you're doing to yourself right now and digging yourself in to a deeper hole! I'm not denying the idea that the nutter you worked had sexual fantasies about Lizzie Borden and yes an autistic person sexually assaulting is just as bad as any NT but you need to understand why your choice words are so insensitive. Autistic people are MORE LIKELY to BE sexually abused than sexually abuse another person, especially females with autism because we live in a misogynistic society in additional to an ableist/mentalist one.

You haven't at all been able to see the error in your ways in which you spoke to Richie and continued to defend yourself and make yourself look even more vile and stupid in the process. I don't believe for a second you're actually sorry for the way you spoke to Richie, you've been cornered so you've decided to throw a spanner in the works, thinking it will end it all and yet you still feel the need to berate his mother. Some people just can't learn.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 17:45pm

Nicky Joe,

I was unaware that people with autism are more likely to be sexually abused, though that is sadly logical. And I'm trying to understand what specifically was the trigger, so I don't do it again in the future. From the progression of the conversation and what little I know from previous experiences, I have a couple suspicions, but until I know what specifically was so bad, I cannot apologize, though I am sincerely sorry and saddened for upsetting richie. In the interest of maintaining peace on the forum though, I would recommend taking the conversation private. If this is agreeable, you can find me on Twitter.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 22:17pm

Very unlikely that artists such as Foreigner, George Thorogood, BS&T, Judy Collins will receive a nomination in the near future. If at all. Thorogood being a real long shot.
Acts from that general period considered will likely be Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson, Joe Cocker, Todd Rundgren, Dionne Warwick, Carly Simon.

Posted by Mark on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 22:56pm

Mark,

I agree that Rundgren is more likely, but I think with Baez and Simone in or going in, writing off Collins might be a bit premature. Right now, I'd even give her the edge over Simon, and even odds against Warwick.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 03/5/2018 @ 23:30pm

Okay- I've tried to let this whole thing resolve itself, but as someone who has invested a lot of time into this community in the last four years, I feel like I need to weigh in.

Richie- I'm glad you are here. Please keep participating. I think what Philip is saying-- and I'd agree with him here to a certain extent- is that it isn't always necessary to post variations of the same questions quite so often. I realize this may be something you struggle with, but it's nothing that can't be fixed by mutual patience and understanding.

Honestly, my problem is more with Sheri's behavior. I know Philip. He's a good man that I interact with often outside of this forum. There's no need to harangue his character for what was essentially a mild rebuke about forum etiquette. I'm particularly troubled by some of the unfounded accusations you make, like Philip being elated for joy if Richie was kicked off. Philip can have strong opinions sometimes, and predicting things way too early is a pet peeve of his, but there's nothing in what he said that went beyond encouraging Richie to follow basic, commonly-accepted rules of etiquette on this forum.

One thing that might help- and this is an invitation I extend to everyone involved- is if we could post some guidelines, suggestions, or commentary on how to make forums like this welcoming to, and accommodating towards, guests on the spectrum.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Tuesday, 03/6/2018 @ 03:41am

I've never had problems with either Phillip or Richie.

Want both to be here. Sheri, do you have any musical opinions you'd like to share?

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 03/6/2018 @ 07:00am

Mark,

I read your text. I am sticking with Judy Collins because she follows the trend of Female singer/songwriters. Even before Carly Simon she is kinda likely. The Hall seems to be dealing with the 60s Folk singers right Now.

I do agree that those will wait a long while. Foreigner, BST and others are not as likley as others

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/6/2018 @ 14:11pm

For what it's worth; Judy Collins does show up among the list of "Previously considered" candidates. So she has some level of possibility, but as I mentioned my gut isn't feeling it.

As to Foreigner - with Bon Jovi and Journey getting in recently, I can see an avenue open for them along the populist commercial band route, but I think there is a lot of congestion built up for that avenue. I'm not saying it *can't* happen; but I certainly have no reason to suspect that a nomination is in any way likely for this year - I just can't imagine any of the people that we know of who are on the nominating committee choosing to use one of their two nominations for Foreigner. From a purely logical approach, it makes little sense to induct Foreigner when Bad Company isn't in the Hall Of Fame. Which may be why Foreigner's name does not show up on the previously considered list; but Bad Company does.

George Thorogood - the surprise nomination of Steppenwolf for me moves Thorogood higher up the list of possibilities for nomination; but to me he is certainly well behind Johnny Winter in the blues-rock queue for induction.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 03/6/2018 @ 15:55pm

Alex Voltarie

Do you not genuinely realise that because Richie is Sheris mom she's going to be more defensive than usual? Unfortunately for Phillip, the "assumptions" that Sheri made are the price he has to pay for being so oppressive towards Richie - He even admitted he didn't want the site to be dominated by neurodivergence saying quote "I don't want your son to feel driven away, but neither do I want neurotypical members of the community to get driven off because people who are not inadvertently, obliviously drive them off with their socially less preferable posting habits. We can be and are tolerant of autistic people, but that doesn't mean we have to let them post unchecked either." Which basically means he doesn't want to have to tolerate someone with Autism (which includes me as I'm also autistic) asking the same question repeatedly to different people, just because he's not comfortable with it despite the fact that Richie wasn't causing any malice for anybody. Aggressive presentation doesn't overshadow legitimacy when making points, if she was openly admitting to wishing ill will upon him then fine but there was nothing even slightly questionable in what Sheri said, especially in comparison to Phillip's comments for neurotypical supremacy (oh no I made an accusation).

Posted by Nicky Joe on Tuesday, 03/6/2018 @ 16:41pm

At this point I'd rather see Richie post his prediction lists all the way out to 2040 than to continue reading this vitriol.

Posted by joker on Tuesday, 03/6/2018 @ 23:46pm

I personally like Foreigner's music better than Bon Jovi's.

Joker, thank you for your observation.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 06:59am

I'm right there with you, Joker. This is taking all the fun away from one of my favorite sites.

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 08:50am

CAN we please get back to the music chats instead of reading about a couple people picking on richie and denying it.

I much prefer richie's predictions into the future. I have made predictions to 2027 myself. I just on paper. richie was smart enough to post it. So just to support richie. I have predicted Iron Maiden and Alicia Keys in the same class for 2027. I would have to look. I wrote it for fun.

Getting back to music I just dont see Foreigner being nominated or Inducted for many years. Its the same thing with George Thorogood and B,S and T. There is soo many acts much more likely. I own George Thorogood's gr hits. I like some of it but he is NOT the most amazing Blues rock act ever. J. Geils Band is having enough trouble.Johnny Winter has a better chance than G Thorogood. Even he would probably end up with numerous nominations.

In fact George T Could be inducted in 2027. B,S and T is also NOT one coming as a nominee too soon. Doobie Brothers is somewhat likely as a nominee by 2023. I re evaluated them.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 11:13am

I see a lot of catching up on the 80s. Just like this year. It seems like Classic rock friendly 80s acts is likely to get inductions before acts like The Cure, Eurythmics and the Smiths. It seems that way. Acts like Def Leppard,Billy Idol, Joe Jackson and Steve Winwood seem likely in the next few years.

I also see 70s rock acts continuing to be inducted. Now around 2021 an act like Duran Duran, Eurythmics or the Cure may finally be inducted.Its up to the Voting body. Many voters dont know much about those. Old Voters can relate to Steve Winwood for instance.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 12:43pm

Alex Voltaire, This conversation was over 3 days ago between Phillip, Richie & I so we you are choosing to now kick a dead horse( so to speak) is beyond me. If standing up for my son ( & others like him) is classified as bad behaviour in your eyes then I shall simply say that I am on bended knees begging to God & the Universe to let my so called bad behaviour spread across the internet like wildfire for our vulnerable are being bullied & picked on constantly. All people deserve a chance & a feeling of belonging. I will reiterate yet again what I stated to Phillip, it is time to let this thread ( it was 3 days ago) return to it's true format...ROCK & ROLL...Have a great day & Blessing.
Ben...Thank you..You are a good man...Many blessings...
Joker...I could not agree more with you...
To all the wonderful people on the site, my deepest apologies for this site should NOT be a place of drama & fights...Many Blessings.

Posted by Sheri on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 12:50pm

Sheri,

I got an excellent new topic. As long as yu are on the site. What are some of your favs in music. Do you like The Who, Eric Clapton, Steely Dan and Blondie as I do. Just some random favs to mention. Are yu happy about the great triumph of the Moody Blues as a lot of us are?

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 13:46pm

Sheri,

You seem to be my age or so. I am 53. I am known a lot for my Older rock but I also like several Singer/songwriters. You explained about Judy Collins to richie. I am NOT an avid fan but I know some of her music. She makes sense as a pick. Joan Baez and Nina Simone have been inducted after all. A few years ago Linda Ronstadt and Cat Stevens were inducted. They seem to be including those again.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 13:52pm

The group most deserving induction is the Shangri-las.
They certainly fit the criteria.
Their classic songs, their visual appeal and presentation, all personify the fun and exuberance of rock and roll.
Hopefully they will receive a nomination this year.

Posted by Mark on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 14:09pm

"He even admitted he didn't want the site to be dominated by neurodivergence saying quote "I don't want your son to feel driven away, but neither do I want neurotypical members of the community to get driven off because people who are not inadvertently, obliviously drive them off with their socially less preferable posting habits. We can be and are tolerant of autistic people, but that doesn't mean we have to let them post unchecked either." Which basically means he doesn't want to have to tolerate someone with Autism (which includes me as I'm also autistic) asking the same question repeatedly to different people, just because he's not comfortable with it despite the fact that Richie wasn't causing any malice for anybody"--Nicky Joe

WHAT?!! THAT'S what you got from what I said? Holy cow, no wonder you think I'm being oppressive. I am not advocating neurotypical supremacy, or any such bs. Look, I admit that yes I was starting to find it a bit redundant, and I admit that I wrongfully assumed that most people were. If I had known I was the only one who had a problem with it, then I would not have said anything about it. But the history of this forum is that people HAVE been driven off in the past by obnoxious flood-posting. And it doesn't matter if the person who does it has autism or not. So yes, it's something old-timers are a bit wary of. But good grief, I have come to respect the information of posters like Lax, Enigmaticus, and others who left because they were fed up with the practices of the Hall--not because of the people here--who all happen to have autism. If you really consider all that history first, you would hopefully believe that it is positively absurd to suggest I advocate "neurotypical supremacy."

Back on topic.... Mark, you would put the Shangri-La's before the Marvelettes? Even in the sub-sub-sub-category of classic girl groups, I would put the Marvelettes on top, followed by the Chantels, then the Crystals, then the Shangri-La's, but that's still above the Bobbettes and the Angels.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 14:31pm

Phillip

Right, I will admit I probably went a tad far with neurotypical supremacy comment I made it response to Alex. In regards to your apology to Richie, I'm going to give it a few months to see if you've truly learned from mistakes. I understand it sounds incredibly harsh and it might seem like I'm just prolonging the drama with you. Please understand that I'm doing this because often, on social media, a lot of people apologise for things they did and resume doing the thing that got them in the brambles to begin with so there does have to come legitimate proof and improvements made to ensure they don't repeat the same mistake or do something similar.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 15:18pm

In regard to the Shangri-Las, in my opinion they do not beg comparison to what are categorized as “girl groups” as they produced mini cinematic songs that stand alone and are unique to that genre, and rock in general
The Marvellettes have been nominated twice, and may unfortunately missed their chance.
However they are deserving induction.

Posted by Mark on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 17:15pm

Mark,

I want to know. Is this Mark Tesla who I discussed some great Classic acts with. If yu are Mark Tesla then we get to continue discussions. Shangri-Las are deserving for the Hall. Clearly acts of the 50s and 60s are still up for grabs. Link Wray and Nina Simone were on the last ballot.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 17:43pm

Hi Ben, Yes, I am 53 as well & I grew up with Rock & Roll as I explained in previous posts. I never dated a musician, always just surrounded by them as friends. I love all the groups you mentioned & I was stocked to see the Moody Blues get in this year. I am a big fan of Rock & Roll but I kind of faded to New Country in the 90's & that was Richie's first love. Well Country & Elvis...lol...There's not a thing pertaining to Elvis Richie can't tell you. As for Judy Collins I forgot she was 60's & didn't know ( same with Richie) that Early Influence was 50's back. Thank you so much for sharing that with Richie. He is truly learning a lot from you & really likes reading your posts. It's always..Mom, Ben said this, Ben said that...lol..I personally would like to see more women get into the Hall of Fame. Women like Pat, Alanis,Annie, etc but I suppose because I am a woman I'm a bit biased...lol..I'm not big on Janet Jackson getting in though as to me she's more Pop then anything. Yes, she is gifted & extremely talented but not Rock & Roll. In my opinion that would be like Taylor Swift getting in as well...Amazingly talented & gifted women but to me, not Rock but that is my opinion & I know others won't agree & that's cool. Thanks so much Ben for asking for my opinions. That was very sweet & touched me greatly. I hope you have a truly wonderful day!...Many Blessings.

Posted by Sheri on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 17:48pm

Ben,
No, I am not Mark Tesla.

On another note, the Rock Hall in recent years have, I think, consciously rectified pass omissions by inducting popular acts such as Rush, Yes, Chicago, Steve Miller, and finally the well deserving Moody Blues.
I think we will likely see Jethro Tull receiving a nomination in the near future.
However, I think the window of nominating 60s period acts is narrowing each year.

Posted by Mark on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 18:31pm

Mark,

I was sorry to ask you which Mark you were. I didnt know you before. I dont think so. Nice chat here. I do agree the window for 60s acts is narrowing. I wasnt sure you were including Jethro Tull. Tull are much more of a 70s act. They debuted in 1969. Just by virtue of that their success grew in the 70s. I wasnt sure yu include them. Now Moody Blues are more of a 60s act. Their Days of Future Passed was released Fall 1967. So I do agree but Tull is really 70s. To me 60s acts came out earlier. Such acts as The Monkees, Turtles, Rascals,Lovin Spoonful, Donovan. 70s will last a long while in the Hall.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 19:44pm

Thank you Nicky Joe, I will make a greater effort to be more patient as well. I don't want to see richie get picked on again either, but if it's a single poster who's jabbing at him, I'll try not to extrapolate that to the full roster of regulars here.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 19:55pm

Ben,
Yes, Tull fits more as 70s act, despite their first two records, (and two of their finest in my opinion,)were released late 68 and in 1969.
With Genesis, Rush, Yes, and now Moodies in Hall, it makes sense, and almost certain that Tull will soon get thenod.
Would like to see Procol Harum get another nomination.
Hopefully they have not missed their chance.

Posted by Mark on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 20:43pm

Mark,

While I agree that the Shangri-Las are relatively unique in that regard, teen tragedy songs, that were mini-cinematic, were big in the early '60's, such as Mark Dinning's "Teen Angel" or Jan And Dean's "Dead Man's Curve." Still, the Shangri-Las definitely had a style all their own. Funny enough though, my personal favorite by them is "Give Him A Great Big Kiss" which deviates from that.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 03/7/2018 @ 23:30pm

Mark,

Ok. I think you are on the right track with 60s period acts. I forgot your discussion on Shangri-Las That is certainly a 60s period act. So not only d9 we agree that the window for 60s period acts is narrowing but we are on the same page with 60s. Acts that were prominent 1961-1969 are the 60s acts. I do know a few tunes by Shangri-Las. Leader of the Pack was a huge hit in 1964. Walking in Sand is another notable one.

The last couple years have indicated that 60s period acts can still be nominated. Joan Baez, Nina Simone,Moody Blues and the Zombies have all been nominated. Although the pattern seems to be folk and rock leaning to the late 60s.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/8/2018 @ 07:08am

Does it seem strange to anyone else that we are almost a month away from the Induction Ceremony and no presenters/performers have been announced, other than Howard Stern?

Posted by Greg P. on Thursday, 03/8/2018 @ 15:54pm

I just wanted to say that while we have been busy over here contemplating Nominees for next year and beyond Nothing seems to be happening with presenters for this year except for the Announcement of Howard Stern for Bon Jovi.

I just searched the web. There is NO announcement. This delay happened a year ago. I personally feel after extra thought that either Ian Anderson or Steve Winwood have a good chance at inducting the Moody Blues. The rest I am rather unsure about.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/8/2018 @ 16:36pm

Ben-- I ask this out of ignorance-- has the Rock Hall actually confirmed that Stern is inducting Bon Jovi? Given the likelihood of Stern coming in and trashing the Rock Hall's M.O., the Foundation would be well within their rights to refuse him. I can't imagine, for example, the Tonys inviting a presenter who was inclined to disparage the entire point of the Tonys.

We're also missing some other key elements here-- who is performing in Nina Simone's stead? Did we ever get a confirmation about Mark Knopfler even showing up?

I like your ideas for Anderson and Winwood, but to reiterate my predictions:

-Alan Parsons for Moody Blues
-Mary J. Blige and Elton John for Nina Simone
-Rivers Cuomo for The Cars
-Mavis Staples for Sister Rosetta Tharpe
-Johnny Rzeznik for Bon Jovi (although, yeah, they'll still probably get Howard Stern to avoid alienating the headliner...)
-Sting for Dire Straits

I'd also expect some kind of big tribute given the number of rock and roll deaths. My dream would be Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham doing "Wildflowers" while the montage shows footage of Tom Petty, Fats Domino, Dolores O'Riordan, Walter Becker, Greg Allman, Chris Cornell, J. Geils, Glen Campbell, Gord Downie, Malcolm Young, David Cassidy, Ray Thomas, and everyone else we lost since the last ceremony.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Thursday, 03/8/2018 @ 20:16pm

Alex,

The Rock Hall did confirm Howard Stern on their Twitter feed right after the news broke back in January.

Posted by Greg P. on Thursday, 03/8/2018 @ 22:45pm

Alex,

That was a good post made. Alan Parsons is Not somebody I thought of as a presenter for the Moody Blues. 50 Years ago in 1968 when the Moody Blues were going strong it is extremely likely that the life of Alan Parsons was changed by listening to the Moody Blues. He went on to be a producer for Pink Floyd and Al Stewart.

I am totally uncertain about Nina Simone. I recall posting about presenters for Bon Jovi, The Cars and Dire Straits. We know Howard S is the presenter for Bon Jovi. Rivers Cuomo is quite likely for the Cars.I recall also mentioning Debbie Harry as a pick.

I am predicting either Eric Clapton or Sting for Dire Straits. So your picks are likely.

Just to flash back to a year ago. I pegged Tom Petty to induct ELO. It was the next day that Dhani Harrison was picked for ELO along with all the others. We are there again.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/9/2018 @ 10:24am

Country singer, and now Eagles fill-in, Vince Gill could be a dark horse choice to induct Dire Straits. Gill and Mark Knopfler are friends. Mark actually asked him to join the band before his country career exploded and I believe Knopfler has playd on some of Gill's tracks before. He's also from Ohio, which doesn't hurt with the induction ceremony in Cleveland.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 03/9/2018 @ 11:59am

Wow, Gassman! Nice outside the box thinking! Nicely done.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 03/9/2018 @ 13:02pm

Gassman, have heard that Vince is a full member of Eagles now.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 03/9/2018 @ 14:53pm

I'm sure there's a long list of artists, young and old, who are wanting to induct Nina Simone. It would likely be Elton John. He doesn't start his long tour until later that month (April). Some other ones thrown in the mix would be Lana Del Ray (don't care for her that much but whatever; sometimes the Rock Hall likes to use younger generation people), Bono or Adele. It would be really (I mean, really) awesome if Sade were to induct Simone, but yeah - the chances of that happening?!

As for Eric Clapton, he's a guy who I haven't heard very much about in recent years. I know he's a legend, but I don't recall him making any public appearances lately. I'm probably wrong.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 03/10/2018 @ 00:08am

I hope Elton is involved in paying tribute to Nina Simone with his excellent piano skills but I think it would be tone deaf of the Hall to let him induct her.

The Hall has come under criticism for its lack of women and people of color being inducted. That fact, coupled with Nina’s lifelong activism would make the optics a little wonky for anyone other than a black woman to induct her. My money is on Mary J Blige.

I hope Ian Anderson inducts the Moodies. He could fill in for the late Ray Thomas during the performance portion as well making for a more memorable ceremony.

Posted by GL on Saturday, 03/10/2018 @ 15:59pm

I see that there some ideas on the presenter of Nina Simone. I love some Jazz and folk. I knew her name very well. But I dont know her history well enough to predict a presenter. I knew much more about last year's mellow choice,Joan Baez.

I have read that Elton John, David Bowie, Madonna and many others have been inspired by her. Sadly Bowie certainly can't induct her. The chances of Madonna inducting Nina Simone are probably rather slim. Elton is rather likely. I certainly dont rule out Mary J. Blige. She just performed at the Academy Awards last Sunday. So that would fit in.

Now I see somebody agrees with my Pick of Ian Anderson inducting Moody Blues. Hey he is another early talent of Prog Rock. Tull and Moody Blues emerged with Prog rock sounds around the same time. Jethro Tull debuted about a year after the success of Days of Future Passed. Tull debuted in early 1969.

As for Eric Clapton he has had less public appearances in recent years but he pops up sometimes. He could easily induct Dire Straits. EC and Marc Knopfler have jammed many times. It is actually more fitting than Sting Overall. Sting had that famous performance on their biggest hit but never appeared much with Dire Straits after that.

The Cars has a whole array of people that can induct them. Does anyone understand my pick for Debbie Harry? The Cars and Blondie had great success around the same time. They were both huge in 1978,1979 as part of the New wave scene. Members of B52s are possible Perhaps.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/11/2018 @ 11:13am

Ben,

In my honest opinion, the members of Rush should induct The Moody Blues into the Rock Hall. Rush had opened up their concerts with songs by The Moody Blues, plus Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues form the “holy” trinity of prog, with Duran Duran being in the middle of those three. Prog icon inducts prog icon. Although Rush would be my first choice, either Yes, or Duran Duran would be acceptable alternatives.



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Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/11/2018 @ 16:24pm

Ben,

In my honest opinion, the members of Rush should induct The Moody Blues into the Rock Hall. Rush had opened up their concerts with songs by The Moody Blues. Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues form the “holy” trinity of prog, with Duran Duran being in the middle of those three. Prog icon should induct prog icon. Although Rush would be my first choice, either Yes (although they are quite divided between two different versions of themselves), or Duran Duran would be acceptable alternatives. The top five prog bands according to PROG Magazine are: Rush, Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd and Genesis, although not necessarily in that order.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/11/2018 @ 16:31pm

Ben,

In my honest opinion,

Sting should induct Dire Straits.

Rush should induct The Moody Blues

Duran Duran should induct The Cars.

Sade should induct Nina Simone.

Little Richard should induct Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

By the way, how have you been doing lately?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 03/11/2018 @ 17:22pm

Enig,

Decent picks for presenters. I know you are looking forward to Rush inducting the Moody Blues. I have expanded that to be somebody Prog. I am leaning to Ian Anderson. Sting makes a lot of sense for Dire Straits. Duran Duran makes some sense. I see it more being Debbie Harry or B52s. I dont know enough about Nina Simone to judge that.

I am doing fine. I have been busy with clerical stuff for my Dad. I an his Clerical manager. Its the Tax season. Ive been busy with Tax prep for the Accountant. Things are Calm otherwise.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/12/2018 @ 08:06am

Little Richard got his first concert appearance opening for Sister Rosetta, and with his own career careening between secular Rock and Roll and devout Gospel, he probably can explain better than most how those two influences compete and mingle.

so he would be a great choice; but unfortunately he is very old and frail; reportedly housebound. So at best, anything from him would likely to be a bit of a video statement.

Mavis Staples is in excellent health and still performing; so she would be the best choice. Another performer from a gospel background who has infused it with popular elements and has taken that sound to more secular audiences.

Aretha Franklin would also be a possibility along those same lines. She started out as a gospel singer before moving to secular music.

Or for a more modern performer, Brittany Howard of Alabama Shakes has the vocal power and the guitar skills to be able to single handedly pull off a musical tribute to Sister Rosetta, rather than having to separate the vocals and the music into separate hands.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 03/12/2018 @ 13:16pm

Notable event on the weeklong celebrations for the Hall Of Fame: Bill Bruford will be in town doing a discussion of his career the Wednesday after the Ceremony.

Perhaps Bruford will already be in Cleveland, in order to do the induction of The Moody Blues?

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 03/13/2018 @ 13:26pm

So we are a month away from the 2018 R'R Hall of Fame ceremony. And all we have is a definite with Howard Stern inducting the Headliner Bon Jovi and a speculation that Bill Bruford of Yes may induct the great Moody Blues. What the Hell.

When are they going to announce the other presenters. April 13th?

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/14/2018 @ 08:22am

Ben,

Yes I know that it is really quite perplexing that the Rock Hall inductors have not yet been announced, with the possible exception of Howard Stern. Perhaps those arrangements have not been fully negotiated yet, although the clock has been ticking.

Shrek,

I would call it still purely conjectural at this point that Bill Bruford may be in Cleveland to induct The Moody Blues. Neither The Moody Blues’ camp, nor Yes’ camps have acknowledged, nor mentioned this, as of yet.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 03/14/2018 @ 10:56am

Agreed it is purely speculative; but it seemed notable to me that he was the first major musician aside from this year's inductees, and HOF committee members like Questlove, that was confirmed to be in town for some of the events surrounding this year's ceremony.

I guess since the tickets sold out instantly, they maybe are enjoying maintaining an air of mystery around the upcoming ceremonies.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 03/14/2018 @ 13:06pm

If Sting does induct Dire Straits, this is what I would hope happens: the band would sing "Money For Nothing" with Sting singing backup and Tom Morello playing guitar with Knopfler and crew. As soon as Sting starts saying "I Want My MTV" pictures of Jersey Shore and Teen Mom would pop up on stage and Tom Morello would shatter those pictures with his guitar. Okay, so its more than an illusion...

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 03/14/2018 @ 16:35pm

It could be anyone who will induct The Cars. Dave Grohl could, even though I'd rather he not. (Let's be honest here, the guy is overexposed!) I would like to see Albert Hammond, Jr. of the Strokes do it, or Billy Corgan (both have covered the Cars). Or Todd Rundgren. Or Bob Geldof. I don't know

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 03/14/2018 @ 16:44pm

Todd Rundgren is a good call given his participation in "The New Cars".

Also, performing at the ceremonies seems to help stir up a bit of additional support from the HOF voters. So maybe it could help Rundgren finally get a nomination or consideration from the Musical Excellence committee or something....

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 03/15/2018 @ 14:07pm

I've been saying this for years, Todd Rundgren is way overdue for the Rock Hall. Big time. He's just another in the performer backlog for now. However, I'd be happy if he were considered for the Musical Excellence award. Since he is touring with his old band Utopia this year, that could draw some attention to him. But yeah, it would be cool if Todd were to induct the Cars.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Thursday, 03/15/2018 @ 22:13pm

Todd Rundgren will probably receive a nomination this year or next. The Hall certainly has to have him on their radar.
Also anticipate a nomination for Warren Zevon in near future.
Those two artists loom large in obvious omissions.

Posted by Mark on Friday, 03/16/2018 @ 09:20am

I really think the 2019 class will most likely mirror and rhyme this year with maybe one or two extra acts.

Def Leppard
Jethro Tull
Duran Duran
The Doobie Brothers
Janet Jackson
Dave Matthews Band (Newly Eligible)
Another Early Influence addition

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 03/16/2018 @ 15:03pm

Shrek,

You are among the cool posters on here. I re read your post on Bill Bruford. I am NOT sure it reads right.

"Bill Bruford will be in town doing a discussion of his career the Wednesday after the Ceremony". I thought you said before the ceremony. So why would Bruford be in Cleveland? Please explain. Then we will discuss the talent of Todd Rundgren. Explain the Bruford comment.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/17/2018 @ 06:42am

Shrek,

You may have meant that Bill Bruford will be in town doing a discussion of his career before the Ceremony. Not sure. That would make more sense why he will already be in Cleveland. Let me know Please. Yu have good things to say on here. I just want to be clear.

Posted by Shrek on Saturday, 03/17/2018 @ 14:44pm

Shrek,

I am reposting. I entered your name by mistake. You did NOT post yourself. You may have meant that Bill Bruford will be in town doing a discussion of his career before the Ceremony NOT after as you wrote. Not sure. That would make more sense why he will already be in Cleveland. Let me know Please. You are one of the nest posters. I just want to be clear.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/18/2018 @ 11:09am

Clarification on my earlier post: One of the links recently posted in the FRL news crawl pointed to a story in Cleveland.com that had a listing of the events that were happening in Cleveland surrounding the HOF ceremonies.

Most of those events are in the week leading in to the ceremony. One such event occurs the Wednesday after the inductions rather than during the week before, and that event features Bill Bruford in Cleveland to give a discussion talk about his HOF career.

While it isn't among the series of events leading up to the HOF ceremonies, it is just a few days after.

It's pure speculation on my part that the fact he will be in town within days of the event could very well correspond to him also taking part in the ceremonies. He may fly in afterward. He may be going to the ceremonies but not planning to be on stage. But, it is notable to me that he is one of the few big names we have actually seen confirmed to be in Cleveland sometime close to the ceremonies; so it makes sense to speculate he could very well already be in town in order to induct The Moody Blues.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 03/19/2018 @ 12:18pm

Shrek,

Thank you for clarifying. I see what you are saying. Bill Bruford will be in town within days of the ceremony could correspond to him taking part in the ceremony. If he inducts an act that would certainly be the legendary Moody Blues. Yes coexisted with The Moodys in the same genre back around 1969, 1970.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/19/2018 @ 18:03pm

Shrek,

I just want to add that it is purely speculation as you say. We will have the announcement within 2 weeks

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/19/2018 @ 20:00pm

Shrek,

So as far as Todd Rundgren goes. He is an under rated talent of the 70s and 80s. He is even better known as a producer. I could see him inducting the Cars. I predicted him as a nominee last year but it failed. So I have considered him. The Hall should.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/20/2018 @ 10:43am

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Posted by Roy on Thursday, 03/22/2018 @ 16:00pm

I tried hard to Google the presenters
for the 2018 RnR Hall of Fame. Nothing. So I looked up 2015 and 2017. In 2015 The announcement for the full list was March 23rd. Last year 2017 3 of them were announced in Late Jan. It was announced that Rush would induct Yes, Neil Young would induct Pearl Jam and Jackson Browne inducting Joan Baez. The full list of Presenters was NOT announced until March 29th. So the presenters for ELO, Journey and Tupac Shakur were not Announced until March 29th. As we know David Letterman replaced Neil Young for Pearl Jam. But I an talking about announcements.

So this year It will probably be around the 29th again based on the same pattern. So an announcement was very late last year.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/23/2018 @ 07:14am

Enig,

Wow. They have finally announced another presenter for new Ceremony. The presenter for the Moody Blues! It has been announced that Ann Wilson will be the presenter for the Moody Blues. Ann Wilson will induct the Moody Blues on April 14th. So it is NOT the guys in Rush. Nor is it Ian Anderson or Bill Bruford.

Heart were influenced by the Moody Blues. That style shined through in their early days. You can hear this on Dreamboat Annie. Ann Wilson announced it herself that she is inducting the Moody Blues.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/28/2018 @ 07:44am

Ben,

Yes, Ann Wilson was on my alternate list:

The _Claw,

Acceptable alternatives to induct The Moody Blues, other than Rush:

Duran Duran
Ann & Nancy Wilson of Heart
Sir Paul McCartney

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 03/28/2018 @ 09:50am

Sooo now there are 2 presenters announced. Bon Jovi has Howard Stern and the Moody Blues has Ann Wilson. Dreamboat Annie has influence from the Moody Blues. Crazy on You, Soul of the Sea and Dreamboat Annie.

So it makes sense for sure. Bon Jovi and Moody Blues are the 2 biggest inductees this year. I expected Bon Jovi as the headliner due to the universal Household name they have for the masses. The Moody Blues is the next biggest due to immense sucess 1968-1973 and through the years. We need to know the 3 others.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/28/2018 @ 10:49am

Presenters Announced/Confirmed:

Bon Jovi - Howard Stern

The Cars - Brandon Flowers

The Moody Blues - Ann Wilson

Nina Simone - Mary J. Blige presenting and Andra Day performing

Sister Rosetta Tharpe - Brittany Howard


No announcement for Dire Straits, although Stevie Van Zandt was announced as a "special guest", whatever that means.

Posted by Greg P. on Friday, 03/30/2018 @ 10:00am

Last year, two members of Rush (Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson) had inducted Yes. Overall, it was a great ceremony with members of three prog acts (Yes, Electric Light Orchestra and Rush) present, plus prog adjacent act Journey has also been inducted. This year however only one progressive rock band- The Moody Blues, the co-fathers of the prog genre will be present. I am somewhat disappointed by this. In my honest opinion, progressive rock should have at least one other representative. Approximately a week ago, Troy L. Smith of the Cleveland Plain Dealer had identified Geddy Lee as the ideal choice for inductor of The Moody Blues. Although I thoroughly enjoy Ann Wilson’s singing and the music of Heart, I still think that there will be something missing from this ceremony, i.e. the presence of another prog icon. Ideally my solution and the best compromise would have been to have at least one member of Heart (Ann Wilson) and at least one member of Rush (Geddy Lee) be co-inductors. This way, the prog community would be satisfied and we would be convinced that prog artists have finally been acknowledged as important and legitimate contributors to the history and fabric of rock and roll.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 03/30/2018 @ 10:41am

Last year, two members of Rush (Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson) had inducted Yes. Overall, it had been a great ceremony with members of three prog acts (Yes, Electric Light Orchestra and Rush) present, plus prog adjacent act Journey had also been inducted. This year however, only one progressive rock band- The Moody Blues, the co-fathers of the prog genre will be present. I am somewhat disappointed by this. In my honest opinion, progressive rock should have at least one other representative. Approximately a week ago, Troy L. Smith of the Cleveland Plain Dealer had chosen Geddy Lee as the ideal choice for inductor of The Moody Blues. Although I thoroughly enjoy Ann Wilson’s singing and the music of Heart, I still think that there will be something missing from this ceremony, i.e. the presence of another prog icon. Ideally my solution and the best compromise would have been to have at least one member of Heart (Ann Wilson) and at least one member of Rush (Geddy Lee) be co-inductors. This way, the prog community would be satisfied and we would be convinced that prog artists have finally been acknowledged and received by the Rock Hall as important and legitimate contributors to the history and fabric of rock and roll.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 03/30/2018 @ 10:45am

PRESENTERS FOR THE 2018 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES ANNOUNCED…

Howard Stern to present Bon Jovi (Bon Jovi will perform).
Brandon Flowers of The Killers to present The Cars (The Cars will perform).
????? for Dire Straits. Mark Knopfler not attending.
Ann Wilson of Heart to present The Moody Blues (The Moody Blues will perform).
Mary J. Blige to present Nina Simone. Andra Day to perform for Nina Simone.
Brittany Howard of Alabama Shakes to present and perform for Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03/30/2018 @ 13:18pm

Well Well well. We finally have a mostly full list of presenters. We knew for a few months that Howard Stern would induct Bon Jovi. That was NOT a total surprise Bon Jovi were guests on Howard's show many times back on KRock in the 80s and early 90s. I know that because I heard it. Ann Wilson was just announced by Ann herself as inducting the Moody Blues. Brandon Flowers is inducting the Cars. I know the name. I forgot he was the singer for the Killers. I do Not know them very well. I know Rivers Cuomo of Weezer well. I know Weezer's history. That was my main pick for the Cars.

I am not a good one to judge Nina Simone. I like her but dont know her well enough over the years to have picked someone for her. Mary J. Blige seems like a great choice. I disliked her a lot back in 1994.1995. I am NOT into the Hip Hop thing. She has evolved into Jazz and Gospel. So she makes a lot of sense to present Nina Simone. Over the years I have known Feelin Good and Wild is the Wind. Originals and remakes.

I don't know anything about Sister Rosetta Tharpe. I am Jewish and I am about to celebrate Passover tonight. From what I know she is Gospel. I am not into Gospel too much. I actually know some tunes by Alabama Shakes. We still need to find out Dire Straits. So I am still picking Eric Clapton. EC has presented a few times at Hall ceremonies.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/30/2018 @ 13:52pm

I admit I am prone to pick Eric Clapton
to induct Dire Straits because I am an all time fan. I am proud that he was inducted 3 times. I was very Happy when he was inducted in 2000. I missed that ceremony at the time. I have seen him perform at ceremonies since then.

He inducted the Band way back in 1994. I recall he inducted Buddy Guy in 2005. I think he did for sure. Thats the last time I believe he was a presenter. I think he srands a good chance as presenter for the Dire Straits.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/1/2018 @ 07:38am

I am into Eric Clapton the way Enig is into Yes. I love Yes. But I own a good collection of Eric Clapton well beyond the huge sellers like Slowhand. Backless, Just One Night and Journeyman are also in my collection. I have watched EC play with Marc Knopfler and I think the whole Dire Straits band on You Tube. He is the best choice I can think of.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/1/2018 @ 09:50am

Clapton & Knopfler also worked together on the JJ Cale tribute album The Breeze, which was mostly Clapton & Knopfler with some contribution from others like Tom Petty and Willie Nelson.

Posted by dmg on Sunday, 04/1/2018 @ 12:17pm

dmg,

Yes that's right I recall that I think I own that somewhere. I have all my EC cds grouped together. I fell off on new EC related albums more recently. I own about 20. I will have to check. I forgot that fact. My Collection of EC is complete 1969-1999. It is a little skimpy after. I think I have that JJ Cale tribute album.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/2/2018 @ 07:05am

What's the big mystery with Steven Van Zandt? What will he be doing at the ceremony? Is there a surprise induction/addendum for The Belmonts? Wings maybe?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 04/2/2018 @ 10:49am

dmg,

I checked my E Clapton collection. I own 27 EC cds. I do NOT own the tribute to JJ Cale the Breeze. I own an album from E Clapton and JJ Cale. The Road to Esmerelda. That does NOT have Knopfler on it. I should get that tribute though. You seem to be a big EC fan like me or you are a guitar fan with some interest in EC and M Knopfler. I think you are a big fan of both. I am.

Either way EC should induct Dire Straits. It is the 11th Hour for the ceremony. It is end of next week.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/5/2018 @ 18:06pm

So we are approaching the ceremony. I want to say I am glad there is some variety. Nina Simone represents variety. I am Not a huge fan but I have known the name for years. I like a bunch of Jazz. I also like singer/songwriters. She fits in with both. I have become more aquainted with her since her nomination. I downloaded 3 tunes a few months ago.

So even though I love Classic Rock acts I dig other kinds of music too. Just as today there was a lot of variety back in the 60s and 70s. She influenced many people in Jazz, rock and pop. I know other similar acts like Dinah Washington, Nancy Wilson and Shirley Horn quite a bit better. So I like that type of music. I just didn't Nina S too well.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/6/2018 @ 08:56am

Chris Morris’ comical characterizations of the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame inductees is absolutely magnificent. Thank you for posting these, I especially liked his depictions of: ZZ Top, Rush, ABBA, The Bee Gees, The Band, Chicago, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Grateful Dead, Genesis, Talking Heads, Pink Floyd, Traffic, The Moody Blues, Crosby Stills & Nash, Heart, Journey and Queen. Where can I buy these great works of art?

By the way, his depictions of the members of Yes were absolutely hilarious. What do you, think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/8/2018 @ 16:58pm

Chris Morris’ comical characterizations of the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame inductees are absolutely magnificent. Thank you for posting these, I especially liked his depictions of: ZZ Top, Rush, ABBA, The Bee Gees, The Band, Chicago, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Grateful Dead, Genesis, Talking Heads, Pink Floyd, Traffic, The Moody Blues, Crosby Stills & Nash, Heart, Journey and Queen. Where can I buy these great works of art?

By the way, his depictions of the members of Yes were absolutely hilarious. What do you, think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/8/2018 @ 17:00pm

Ben,

Bon Jovi had received a previous nomination. That may have pushed so many people towards voting for them. However, The Moody Blues had not been nominated previously and yet were slightly behind Bon Jovi in the fan poll. In my honest opinion, The Moody Blues should be the co-headliners of this year’s Rock Hall induction ceremony. Well, what do you, think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/8/2018 @ 18:13pm

Enig,

I absolutely agree. The Moody Blues should be the co-headliners of this year's Rock Hall's ceremony. They are both key in their eras. Moody Blues in the late 60s and early 70s as well as a 50 year career are very key. Bon Jovi is just about the most popular Arena rock band of the 80s. So Yes for sure. Those 2 as co headliners is fair.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/9/2018 @ 07:47am

Ben,

Thank you for agreeing with me. I also think that The Moody Blues should have two co-presenters- Geddy Lee and Ann Wilson. What do you think about that?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04/9/2018 @ 10:40am

Two presenters for Moody Blues is good idea, but looks like it’s a set deal for only one.
The Moody Blues probably would have closed the show if it wasn’t for Bon Jovi being inducted same year.
Oh well, the important thing is that they were finally inducted.
An interesting dynamic for the Moody Blues induction is the presence of Denny Laine.
If Denny attends the ceremony, perhaps that’s why Van Zandt will be there to perform “Go Now” with him.

Posted by Mark on Monday, 04/9/2018 @ 11:32am

Mark,

I agree with your points. Moody Blues would certainly have closed the show if not for Bon Jovi in the same year. Bon Jovi is the biggest name to the Mass public this year. Good point about Steve Van Zant performing Go Now with Denny Laine. But I am not sure about that. I think it will be 2 or 3 tunes from the Prog heyday. But hey Deep Purple performed Hush a few years ago. So you never know.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/9/2018 @ 12:02pm

Ben,
I read that Hayward and Lodge are each to play one of their songs.
Total two songs.
No doubt they will be “Nights”, and “Singer in a Rock n Roll Band”.
This frees up Denny Laine to do “Go Now” independent of the Moody Blues MK.2.
I am guessing Van Zandt will be involved in that.
Just a guess.
Don’t know if Laine will attend or perform.
Pinder is said to attend, but not perform.
Should be interesting,

Posted by Mark on Monday, 04/9/2018 @ 15:46pm

No offense intended to you big Moody fans, but the argument for the Moody's being "co-headliners" is pretty thin. From an influence standpoint, I can see your argument for Moody Blues as being as or really even much more important of a band - but that isn't really how stage billings generally work, they are all about audience draw. Bon Jovi sold more copies of Slippery When Wet alone than Moody Blues has sold of their entire catalog of studio albums; and could sell out this venue used by the HOF all by themselves. Bon Jovi is a stadium band, Moody Blues tends to play big theaters and occasional amphitheaters.

Regarding this week's ceremony - I'm assuming at this point that there will be no performance for Dire Straits, much like occurred when Kiss decided not to perform or also for NWA as well. Though when Genesis didn't perform, they got Phish to do a tribute performance, so it's not unprecedented; but with nobody even announced as presenter, a performer seems a bridge too far.

Also sort of assuming there may be no performance for Sister Rosetta, since I don't recall performances for other recent "early influence" inductees.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 04/9/2018 @ 17:05pm

Actually Shrek, Wanda Jackson performed at her induction, and there was a tribute to Freddie King, I believe, in 2012.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 04/9/2018 @ 17:20pm

Shrek,

I want to say that The Moody Blues could easily Co headline with Bon Jovi. But the reason that Bon Jovi will close is that as much of a fan as I am of Moody Blues, Bon Jovi is definitely the biggest audience draw. I am not the biggest Bon Jovi fan ever but I like them. More important their success is enormous. But as a comparison I think the Moody Blues are more likely to Co Headline than lets say the Dire Straits who I also love but do not have huge audience draw. Thats coupled with the fact that the Knopfler brothers wont attend.

I have discussed things with you lots of times. You make good points.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/9/2018 @ 18:17pm

Any fellow Rock Hall watchers going to be in Cleveland this weekend? I am going to the simulcast. I was at the last two ceremonies in Cleveland (2012 and 2015), and this will be my first time experiencing the simulcast. I'm really looking forward to it. I think it's going to be a great show.

Posted by Greg P. on Tuesday, 04/10/2018 @ 10:43am

It’s pretty hard actually to make any guess as to what Dire Straits draw would be for a reunion- it’s been too long since they broke up. They were huge in the 80s though - an absoo stadium band. And their 90sreunion tour was still in very large arenas and amphitheaters. I think they could easily still fill big ampitheaters if they were to do a new reunion playing their classic catalog.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 04/10/2018 @ 23:19pm

Shrek,

It has indeed been too long since they Broke up. They would not have too much chance at co headlining due to the mysterious drama of the bands leading up to induction. I am reminded that Chicago could have been a Headline in 2016 if Peter Cetera could hav

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/11/2018 @ 17:35pm

Chicago could have headlined if Peter Cetera could have mend differences with the rest of the group. I do think that when there is a lot of drama it strongly reduces the chance as a headliner. This year Bon Jovi is clearly the best choice as the Closing act. It is hard to say what draw a full reunion of Dire Straits would bring. Moody Blues stand a better chance at co headlining by process of elimination.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/11/2018 @ 17:44pm

Agreed that Chicago probably should have headlined in 2016. Beyond the drama with Peter Cetera, I kind of felt like Cheap Trick got the nod basically because they are perfectly willing to be the "house band" for people to sit in with for a jam session.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 04/11/2018 @ 18:53pm

With The Moody Blues’ well-deserved long overdue upcoming induction, only a few days away, one has to dare to ask, who’s next?


Well, we could look at the list of major “prog” bands and try to predict where the Rock Hall might go next.

Rush———————> Yes———————-> The Moody Blues

Rush ——————————————————-—————————> Duran Duran


Pink Floyd——————————————————————————————————————————> Genesis———————————->.Peter Gabriel———————————————————> Phil Collins

Traffic———————————————————————————————————————————-> Jethro Tull

Well, what do you, think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 09:53am

I think that you're the only person that sees a direct link between Rush and Duran Duran, to be honest. I know that you are very passionate about this link, but I doubt that anyone in the nomination committee would see it the same way.

Roxy Music ---------> Duran Duran is more likely, but who knows what it will take to get Roxy Music nominated. I predict that either Procol Harum or Jethro Tull will be nominated next year.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 09:57am

Not sure what the arrows are indicating there, but if I were a betting man, I think Jethro Tull is next in line, followed by King Crimson and Emerson, Lake, & Palmer.

Phil Collins's solo career (which isn't really prog, per say) is also a possibility. Duran Duran (whom I've always seen as new wave) could be nominated, but I don't see them getting in before Eurythmics or maybe even Devo.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 10:02am

Which major art rock/progressive rock artist do you think, the Rock Hall Nominating Committee will nominate next?

A) Duran Duran
B) Jethro Tull
C) Procol Harum
D) Supertramp
E) King Crimson
F) Emerson Lake & Palmer

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 10:03am

Good call on Roxy Music, The_Claw.

Procol Harum I think will fall more in line with the Zombies or Steppenwolf. Nominated a few more times, but will have to "wait in line" as other "bigger" names glide in first.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 10:04am

Steve Z,

Although Rolling Stone has 4 Roxy Music albums listed, I do not think that other than perhaps for the song, ‘Love Is A Drug’ and their albums “Country Life” and “Avalon,” many Americans even know who Roxy Music is.

On the other hand, Duran Duran has had quite a bit of success in America and their studio albums: “Rio (1982),” “Duran Duran (1993) aka (The Wedding Album),” Astronaut,” ‘All You Need Is Now” and “Paper Gods” have had some chart success.

So, I think that is more likely for Duran Duran to be inducted next and for their induction to lead to a later induction for Roxy Music.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 10:24am

Steve Z,

Although Rolling Stone has 4 Roxy Music albums listed, I do not think that other than perhaps for the song, ‘Love Is A Drug’ and their albums “Country Life” and “Avalon,” many Americans even know who Roxy Music is.

On the other hand, Duran Duran has had quite a bit of success in America and their studio albums: “Rio (1982),” “Duran Duran (1993) aka (The Wedding Album),” Astronaut,” “All You Need Is Now” and “Paper Gods” have had some chart success.

So, I think that is more likely for Duran Duran to be inducted next and for their induction to lead to a later induction for Roxy Music. Of course, many individuals have always wondered about why I think Rush’s previous induction will lead to a nomination and induction for Duran Duran.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 10:29am

Steve Z.,

I am terribly sorry, I have a missing quotation mark on “Astronaut.”

New Waves is not one genre, but a commercial umbrella term describing around 132 different rock music styles which had started after the advent of punk. If you tend to think of punk as a minor blip in rock history, then new wave does not exist and prog goes on unabated. Since Duran Duran have previously identified themselves as a prog band and since, Rush have admitted to having been influenced by the so-called “new wave” bands, especially: The Police, Talking Heads and Duran Duran, among others, I think that Rush’s previous induction will lead to a possible nomination and induction for Duran Duran.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 10:42am

Enig,

I want to say that I think that Jethro Tull will be the next nominee for Prog. I think Jethro Tull is the next in line followed by Emerson, Lake and Palmer and then King Crimson. I was wrong with my prediction of Emerson, Lake and Palmer as a nominee this year. It was wishful thinking with 2 members passing. So since that didnt happen I predict they will follow after Tull into the Hall.

I have to admit I do not see a link between Rush and Duran Duran. However, I see an induction based on great success as a New Wave act. Eurythmics will probably go first.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 10:45am

Steve Z.,

I am terribly sorry, I have a missing quotation mark on “Astronaut.”

New Wave is not one genre, but a commercial umbrella term describing around 132 different rock music styles which had started after the advent of punk. If you tend to think of punk as a minor blip in rock history, then new wave does not exist and prog goes on unabated. Since Duran Duran have previously identified themselves as a prog band and since, Rush have previously admitted to having been influenced by the so-called “new wave” bands, especially: The Police, Talking Heads and Duran Duran, among others, I think that Rush’s previous induction will lead to a possible nomination and induction for Duran Duran.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 10:46am

Enig,

I stand corrected I would say. I never went in for Duran Duran albums. The only one I ever owned was Rio back 1983,84. Beyond that I know some hits from the 80s and 90s. I dont know any of their modern albums. Now I doubt the Current nominating committee will see it that way.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 12:07pm

Enig,

Just to clarify I stand corrected I would say. I dont know about their Prog direction. I never went in for their Albums. The only one I ever owned was Rio back in the height of the 80s. I had a small interest in New wave for a short time. I didnt buy any other albums from them. I could see them having Prog material later on but was never aware of that until chatting with you on this site.

Now I doubt the current Nominating committee will see it that way. But they could easily be inducted anyway due to their 80s success and impact. I can in fact see them being inducted before acts like Depeche Mode and the Cure. There is a variety of Voters who could Vote for them.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 19:48pm

The next likeliest nominee from the Art/Prog list will be Jethro Tull.
Duran Duran will eventually receive a nomination.
But Tull will be first
Of the list, Procol Harum (along with Tull) deserve induction.
Procol Harum hopefully will receive another nomination.
ELP are longshots.
Supertramp and King Crimson are very Long longshots.

Posted by Mark on Thursday, 04/12/2018 @ 21:31pm

Steve Z and Ben,

Although Rolling Stone has 4 Roxy Music albums listed in their list of greatest albums, I do not think that other than perhaps for the song, ‘Love Is A Drug’ and their albums “Country Life” and “Avalon,” many Americans even know who Roxy Music is.

On the other hand, Duran Duran has had quite a few of their albums sell in America and their studio albums: “Rio (1982),” “Duran Duran (1993) aka (The Wedding Album),” “Astronaut,” “All You Need Is Now” and “Paper Gods” have had quite a bit more chart success than Roxy Music has ever had.

I was looking over the chart that I had created for my long archived website almost 21 years ago last night and even though I had placed Renaissance between Rush and The Moody Blues, I could have just as easily placed Duran Duran there instead.

So, I think that it is more likely for Duran Duran to be inducted next and for their induction to lead to a later induction for Roxy Music instead.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04/13/2018 @ 09:37am

Mark,

I was looking back at my long archived website last night as an indicator of future prog inductees. For some reason, Jethro Tull seems to be the next likely prog inductee. However, if I place Duran Duran in between Rush and The Moody Blues, instead of Renaissance, then I get Duran Duran also as being a likely 2019 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame inductee.


Rush (2013)...................Duran Duran (2019)...................The Moody Blues (2018)

Yes (2017)......................ELP (2022).................................Pink Floyd (1996)

King Crimson (2021).......Jethro Tull (2019)......................Alan Parsons Project (2021)

.........................................Asia (2023).....................................

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04/13/2018 @ 10:43am

May be likely that both Duran Duran and Tull receive nominations in 2019.
This would make these nominations competive in fan voting which I think draws more interest to the HOF (which of course, they like and want).
Radiohead no doubt gets another nom. And will be inducted 2019.
My concerns are that War, Procol Harum, and the Zombies may have missed their chance.

Posted by Mark on Friday, 04/13/2018 @ 13:41pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTso6rFi3Io

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony (2018) | HBO

Posted by Roy on Friday, 04/13/2018 @ 15:20pm

With the 2018 RRHOF Induction ceremony this weekend, the thoughts of the present inductees and future 2018-2019 nominees sharpens into focus. I think groups like Bad Company, Procol Harum, and Judas Priest will receive nominations. My guess Janet Jackson will return to the ballot. I would like to see Pat Benatar finally nominated. Don't understand why they are dragging their feet on Willie Nelson nomination or special award. Why wait until he's dead? It makes no sense. Many of the big snubs have been remedied in the last 5 or so Ceremonies. Chicago, ELO, Deep Purple,KISS,Moody Blues, Rush, YES, etc are all inducted now. The 80's groups like The Cure, Depeche Mode, INXS, The Smiths might finally benefit from the breaking logjam. Enigmaticus makes some good points 4 Duran Duran but I think that's 3-5 years away. Alice In Chains is a group that will be on my 2018-2019 nomination list. Represent metal and the Seattle scene. They also have soldiered on after Layne's death making some great songs. I'm torn between Billy Idol and The Offspring. May include both. KING 👑

Posted by KING on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 01:20am

So here we are the 2018 Rock n'Roll HOF ceremony is arriving. I am so proud that the great Moody Blues are finally being inducted. I mean How long was the Hall going to wait. Bon Jovi was nominated before and will now go in. They will clearly be the closing act and rev up the crowd with tunes like Livin on a Prayer.

The Cars will have a reunion. They haven played together since 2011. Thats not a huge amount of time but its the survivors of the original lineup I believe. Nina Simone will get a deserved tribute. I would say that Mary J. Blige helped with that. Ohh yes and there is the Dire Straits. What happened? There has been drama before but this is uneventful drama. Marc Knopfler simply said Nah. Im good. Now why is there no announcement of a presenter? This bothers me. Is it because of the drama? Drama has not delayed having a presenter before. The Hall simply picks a presenter if the act dont.That happened in recent times with Steve Miller and many other times. Would someone tell me why there is no presenter confirmed. Hey at least I know that its Ann Wilson for the Moody Blues.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 05:50am

Heard on Sirius radio today that Keith Urban was going to Induct DS and actually cancel a Vegas show...but when he hear the Mark Kn. was not coming he backed out. Then they thought Robbie Robertson was going to...now they said only a video and nothing else.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 06:35am

Of all the populist classic rock and metal acts we got so far in the HOF, I’m expecting these guys will join the ranks in the next five years.

2019: Def Leppard and the Doobie Brothers
2020: Motley Crue and Bad Company
2021: Boston and Ozzy Osbourne
2022: Scorpions and Judas Priest
2023: Iron Maiden and Billy Idol

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 08:51am

Roy,

That makes sense at this point. Video only seems to make sense. Actually in the history of the Hall there was Drama with Sex Pistols. There was No presenter for them Just a letter. They were being rebellious with the whole thing. So here no presenter I would say but other members like John Isley will be there.

Now why is there such trouble with a Presenter for DS. I think the answer is that a few backed out. Keith Urban was mentioned. Clapton may have been approached too but when He heard no Mark K he also backed out. So much for that.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 11:47am

Dude- Boston, Motley Crue, Scorpions, and Billy Idol ain't happening for the HoF- ever! #getoverit

Posted by KXB on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 12:12pm

Ben,

According to one report, The Moody Blues are playing 4 songs at their Rock Hall induction ceremony tonight.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 14:45pm

Looks like KXB is being cranky. *Sarcasm*

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 15:40pm

No, just telling it straight fire- what makes you think those third-tier (at best) bands I mentioned have a legit chance (your wishes won't get it done) of induction, esp, when Boston, Scorpions, & Billy Idol haven't even gotten in the FRL HoF, even projecting ahead 15 years???

P.S- Can we please STOP referring only to 'classic rock' acts as 'populist', when other acts (Janet Jackson, Spinners, Commodores, Kool & the Gang, NIN, Pumpkins, Radiohead, etc.) have/had no less of a wide following?

Posted by KXB on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 17:18pm

Enig,

Thats cool that the Moody Blues will play 4 songs. I dont have HBO. Last year I watched the ceremony on You Tube 2 days later. I rushed too fast to watch it. It was very bad quality recorded live on Phones. So this year I will wait until after the broadcast May 5 to watch segments of the ceremony. This way it has very good production. I dont want to watch the Moodys with such Bad quality.

Although in the case of the Moody Blues I may watch it in a couple Days. So I see the whole performance.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 17:39pm

https://www.gettyimages.ca/photos/2018-rock-roll-hall-fame?family=editorial&phrase=2018%20rock%20roll%20hall%20fame&sort=best#license

2018 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Photos on Getty

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 19:42pm

http://www.wireimage.com/search/#events?q=2018%20Rock%20Roll%20Hall%20Fame&s=1

2018 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Photos on WIRE

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 04/14/2018 @ 19:43pm

Enig,

Amazing news to mention. As it turns out Bon Jovi did not headline at all. The Moody Blues headlined the ceremony!The actuality of the ceremony was different than what most of us thought would happen. I did say that Bon Jovi would clearly close the show. I read a detailed description. Bon Jovi either opened or were the 2nd act.

The Moody Blues were the closing act! I was convinced by the Bon Jovi fans here that Bon Jovi would clearly close. Even you talked about the Moody Blues co headlining. I was trying to take into account overall mass appeal around the world. Well I am glad I was wrong. I was soo tempted to predict Moody Blues but I didnt want to get hounded by the Bon Jovi fans that would disagree. They would say we are out of our mind.

I own a Gr Hits of Bon Jovi. I dig Livin On a Prayer and many other hits. But I am not a fan. I only owned one album long ago. It was certainly possible that Bon Jovi would headline. But the Hall gave it to the Moody Blues. They have been snubbed for over 20 Years. We can now talk in retrospect that the wondrous Moody Blues headlined!

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/15/2018 @ 06:33am

So I did say that as much of a fan as I am of the Moody Blues that Bon Jovi is the biggest audience draw. Well I am glad I was wrong. I should have gone with my temptation to predict Moody Blues as headliner. I have predicted Moody Blues in the Hall for about 10 years. A lot of Bon Jovi fans and Future Rock theorists would have opposed that and said me and Enig are crazy.

I leave it to all of you to speculate why Bon Jovi did not Headline. The Moody Blues did. Me and Enig know why. How about the rest of you.

There was no presenter for Dire Straits. John Ilsley and other members inducted themselves. There was no performance from them. There was a joke last week about Telegraph Road.It seems like it was rather uneventful. I will watch it in a month on You Tube.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/15/2018 @ 09:07am

That was, indeed, some pwtty shit on the part of the Rockhall by not even having a proper inductor for Dire Straits. They deserve better. Props to bassist John Ilsley for stepping up and doing it. Hell, I was available! I would have done it!

Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 04/15/2018 @ 09:10am

Ben,

It’s really quite fascinating that the induction ceremony is now over. I have a subscription to H.B.O., therefore I will have the opportunity to see the edited version of the 2018 Rock Hall Induction Ceremony on May 5, 2018. Did I expect The Moody Blues to be the show closer? Maybe, at least it was one possible scenario. However, I was hoping that Ann Wilson and Geddy Lee would be the co-presenters. Perhaps, the Rock Hall now considers Heart to also be a prog band. If so, then it may not be a stretch at all, to see both Duran Duran and Jethro Tull inducted in 2019.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04/15/2018 @ 09:45am

Enig,

I knew you would respond to my posts. Thats well put. It was one possible scenario. Nobody will disagree that Moody Blues are headliners. Its finished. We knoe the history. A lot of people that run the Hall are our age and Older. They grew up at a time when the Moody Blues were dominant in the Rock scene.

It is NOT a stretch at all to see

I know the History of Heart as well. I knew that the Beatles and Led Zep were major influences on the Wilson sisters. Ann and Nancy may have mentioned Moodys once. Deep in their catalog Heart had some prog tendencies. Soul of the Sea, Love Alive and Dream of the Archer come to mind. So Ann Wilson is Not such a surprise.

It is NOT a stretch at all to see both Duran Duran and Jethro Tull inducted in 2019. I will say again the committee regards Duran Duran as new wave. But they did nominate Eurythmics last year. They could switch that to Duran Duran for 2019.

I see nothing to stop Jethro Tull. Another prog act that goes way back. They are a perfect follow up to Moody Blues.