The 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were officially announced at midnight on Wednesday, October 16th, although they were released a few hours early by Rolling Stone.

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another strong nominees, my top five would be

Nirvana
Deep Purple
Hall and Oates
Chic
Link Wray

Posted by akeem on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 21:48pm


What a great ballot. It really covers all grounds and gets some seriously overdue artists on the ballot.

KISS, Deep Purple, Yes, and the Zombies are long overdue classic rock groups that should've been in.

You've got big time 80's pop acts with classic rock roots in Peter Gabriel and Hall & Oates.

LL Cool J, and N.W.A. are probably the two biggest currently eligible rap artists that should be in.

Link Wray is one of the few remaining artists from the 1950's/early 1960's period that deserves induction.

American alternative rock was covered with Nirvana and the Replacements.

Two solid singer-songwriter nominees in Linda Ronstadt and Cat Stevens.

The only thing I find disappointing is the lack of R&B nominees. I would've gladly seen the Paul Butterfield Blues Band taken out for someone like the Spinners, War, Barry White, Chaka Khan, the Commodores, Bill Withers, Janet Jackson, or Whitney Houston.

But a great ballot overall, with 16 nominees this time around.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 21:49pm


hopefully they would induct 7, my other two would be LL Cool J and Cat Stevens

Posted by akeem on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 21:52pm


Nirvana
Deep Purple
N.W.A.
Chic
L.L Cool J

Posted by Jake on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 21:52pm


They got 16 nominees this year, not 15. Will we see 8 inductees?

I was right about 8 of the nominees

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 21:54pm



After years of advocating for several of these artists, our collective work is finally being paid off. While I agree with Donnie that Paul Butterfield is not someone on this ballot I would yet consider; the rest are all Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project inductees that should all be inducted at once. However, I assume only 7 will be inducted. Here then is whom I infer will be inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2014. Mind you this is only amongst performers.


Peter Gabriel
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Chic
Nirvana
N.W.A
Deep Purple
Linda Ronstadt

If we go for 8, and hopefully it will happen, the eighth inductee will be Yes.

My congradtulations to our fellow posters at Future Rock Legends for influencing the Nominating Committee for the most part. Now it is on to see worthy immediate inductions of 7 or 8 of these legendary artists.

The advocacy continues unabated,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:02pm


Tough one. This is really great than last year's ballot. My picks:

Nirvana
Chic
N.W.A.
Linda Ronstadt
Yes
Kiss
Deep Purple

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:02pm


No Motown!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:08pm


For me, the biggest surprise is the nomination of Peter Gabriel.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:10pm


No Chance:

The Meters - Somewhat marginal in terms of popularity and perhaps even influence (we inducted them as sidemen in our own project, after all). Chic will stand in front of them as a similar candidate.

The Replacements - Great to see them nominated, but if The Cure couldn't get in, there's no way they can. Younger acts only really get in if they had a lot of mainstream success since the already inducted obviously weren't influenced by such artists.

Link Wray - 50s artists are pretty much screwed since most of the people they directly influenced are dying off year-by-year.

Paul Butterfield Blues Band - Reeks of Little Steven. Way, way, way too marginal of a candidacy and the only act here not inducted in Rock Hall Projected/Revisited. Let's hope Cleveland doesn't add another mistake to their roster.

Hall & Oates - Lack the respectability at this moment to get in...perhaps Daft Punk could work them into a track?

Some Support (But Not Enough):

LL Cool J - Wasn't a one-and-done case like Afrika Bambaataa, so there's certainly support, but NWA stands in front.

KISS - Still deemed as a novelty act by many. I feel they had an easier ballot the other time they were nominated and Deep Purple certainly will stand in their way. Can't see two hard rock acts being inducted in one year given the Hall's lack of acceptance of such music in the past.

That leaves us with two locks:

Chic
Nirvana

A near lock:

N.W.A. - Extremely likely given where they stand among the other rap inductees, but I wouldn't bet my life on it (mostly because of their small discographY)

And these six acts are competing for the remaining three inductee slots. All of these are conceivable inductees given the recent voting history of this institution:

Cat Stevens
Deep Purple
Linda Rondstadt
Peter Gabriel
Yes
Zombies

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:11pm


For me, the biggest surprise is the nomination of Peter Gabriel.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:10pm


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True, I thought I overlooked Joan Jett but she's not really in.

Posted by akeem on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:13pm


Lax 30 -- happy for you to finally see Peter Gabriel on the list! Your certainty paid off.

Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:16pm


I did not totally see that. Thanks akeem. It seems that Chic and Linda Ronstadt are the only female nominees on the ballot.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:17pm


I did not totally see that. Thanks akeem. It seems that Chic and Linda Ronstadt are the only female nominees on the ballot.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:17pm


Lax 30 -- happy for you to finally see Peter Gabriel on the list! Your certainty paid off. - FRL

Seconded. Big day for you, Lax.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:22pm


So far, the top 5 in the fan ballot on Rolling Stone right now is

1. Nirvana
2. KISS
3. Deep Purple
4. Yes
5. Peter Gabriel

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:22pm


Looking it over, I think The Zombies are probably the true third lock at this point (with N.W.A. not far behind)...Rondstadt, Gabriel and Stevens would all be guaranteed a place if they were the only ones in the singer-songwriter category. (Rondstadt's more in line with Donna Summer, but I think she'll garner the votes in a similar manner)

Therefore, I think they will split the vote with one another and that gives The Zombies a pretty easy path in...look no further than other recent inductees like The Small Faces/Faces, Donovan and The Hollies to see how The Zombies fit in.

My guess at the six inductees:

Chic
N.W.A
Nirvana

Deep Purple - See Rush

Peter Gabriel - Genesis is inducted, Gabriel didn't get to perform with them due to tour practice, has more street cred than Stevens or Rondstadt

The Zombies

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:23pm


The one thing that troubles me about this ballot is that there is only two nominees with female members (Linda Ronstadt and Chic) and 4 nominees with non-white members (N.W.A., LL Cool J, the Meters, and Chic). I definitely think that Cat Stevens and the Paul Butterfield Blues Band could've been taken out for a female/black R&B artist like Chaka Khan, Janet Jackson, the Marvelettes, or Whitney Houston, and another male R&B group/artist like Bill Withers, Barry White, the Commodores, War, or the Spinners.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:27pm


What does it really matter Donnie? None of those acts really would have been viable given who else is on this ballot. That's why The Replacements nomination is essentially meaningless to me. They can't get in this year against those other names.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:31pm


Always the Eeyore, I immediately focused in on the negatives when I first saw the ballot, but trying to do the pick five I realize how awesomely deep this ballot really is.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:34pm


My bets on the final inductees


1. Nirvana
2. N.W.A
3. Chic
4. The Zombies
5. Deep Purple
6. Linda Ronsdstadt

if their is a 7th and 8th
7. Yes
8. Kiss

Posted by NWA on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 22:56pm


no motown, only one female (imo,Chic is popular because of Niles Rodgers) it's really bothering but a very strong list.

Posted by akeem on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:00pm


The way I'm looking at who gets inducted is something like this.

Locks

Nirvana: duh


Deep Purple: Either Deep Purple or KISS will get in without a doubt. Both bands will more than likely win the fan ballot (along with Nirvana), and with the Hall being more populist, the Hall is not gonna bypass the two most popular groups on the ballot. Deep Purple is far more respected by musicians than KISS are though, so I think this will be Purple's year. To me they're another one of the main locks along with Nirvana.


N.W.A: We're pretty much at the point now that a rap group is probably gonna be inducted just about every year, especially if there is a major one on the ballot. Which leaves N.W.A. as pretty close to being a lock. I suppose LL has a good shot too, but I'm thinking N.W.A. will get the nod.


Linda Ronstadt: The Hall will not let the 2014 inductees not include a female act. Which means Linda Ronstadt will be one of the inductees.


The Zombies: Similar to what Casper said, plus the fact that a 60's group always gets in the Hall, the Zombies I feel will get in. There's also the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, but pretty much Jann Wenner and a few musicians will pull for them. The British Invasion period is always guaranteed to produce an inductee, especially in recent years (ala the Small Faces, Donovan, and the Hollies), so the Zombies will be an inductee as well.


So to me the 5 locks are as follows....

Nirvana
Deep Purple
N.W.A.
Linda Ronstadt
The Zombies

With us having 16 nominees, I will be stunned if they only go with 5 inductees, especially considering the last two years have had 6 inductees.

So for the 6th and final spot, I could see it being one of the following artists.

Chic: The Hall will also try to make sure that the list of inductees isn't all-white guitar-orientated rock acts. Plus Chic and Nile Rodgers have more momentum this year than they've ever had. Plus when an artist gets nominated this many times, it's usually a foregone conclusion they'll get in. I think when it comes to R&B acts, Chic has far more of a chance than the Meters.


KISS: I know a lot of people think the Hall won't go with both Deep Purple and KISS in one year as that would make classic rock fanboys across the world cream their pants. But, last year with Deep Purple, Rush, and Heart all on the ballot, most thought only one would get in, and we ended up getting two of the three. When it comes to 70's classic rock it looks like Deep Purple, KISS, and Yes will dominate the fan ballot. Maybe we'll get another situation this year with two of the three getting in? Deep Purple I think is the "for-sure" bet. But KISS and/or Yes could join Deep Purple in representing 70's classic rock. I could be wrong, but I won't be surprised if KISS or Yes join Purple on the list of inductees.


Yes: See above


Peter Gabriel: Peter Gabriel is one of the biggest superstars of the 1980's not in yet. When an 80's superstar gets on the ballot, the Hall usually votes them right in (ala the Police, U2, Michael Jackson, Prince, Madonna, etc.) Plus Peter is massively respected by musicians and artists. A good example of this is the fact that he was at No. 53 on the 1998 version of VH1's list of the 100 Greatest Artists. Fast forward to 2010/2011 and VH1 does a new updated version of the list. Many artists from the original list either didn't make the new one or fell drastically on the list. Peter was one of those artists that was untouched and stayed virtually the same on the list. That fact interests me and shows to me that Peter is still massively respected and considered influential. Plus the Hall loves to add people to the Clyde McPhatter club. Peter is the only artist on the ballot this year that can join that club. So I can see Peter being the 6th inductee.


Artists with a decent chance of making it?


Hall & Oates: I think Hall & Oates could possibly be the darkhorse to make the final list, though I don't see them beating out Peter Gabriel, KISS, Chic, and Yes for the final spot. But they keep gaining popularity and respect as times goes along, so maybe? They're a longshot, but they shouldn't be completely ignored.


LL Cool J: He's still a major snub for rap music. He's a pop culture icon who's a relatively safe bet to put on a good show at the ceremony. He'll show up, he'll perform, and he'll get the Hall good publicity. And his spot in rap history is pretty big. I can see the Hall possibly going for him, but more than likely, N.W.A. will represent rap. They're much more influential and will create more buzz for the Hall beings they haven't performed together in a long time. LL would be a good bet from here on if N.W.A. gets in and until 2Pac becomes eligible in a few years, but until N.W.A. gets in, LL will most likely wait. But don't count him out yet.


The rest I don't feel have very little to no chance of making the ballot.


Paul Butterfield Blues Band: They're just not that popular, nor are they really that influential or innovative. Blues aficionados like them pretty well, and I'm sure Jann Wenner will be pushing heavily for them. And yes, 60's groups always get in. But when it comes to 60's music, the British Invasion is always more of a sure-bet for an inductee than American blues-rock bands. Which makes the Zombies much more likely to represent the 60's than the PBBB.


The Meters: Not popular enough to get in. Simple as that.


The Replacements: Very deserving, but they will get completely bypassed for Nirvana when it comes to the alternative vote. If the Cure couldn't get in a few years ago with practically no alternative competition, than the Replacements sure as heck aren't beating out Nirvana. Not to mention there are too many big 70's rock bands on the ballot for the Replacements to do the impossible and make it to where two alt-rock groups get in in one year. It's great they're on the ballot, but it's mostly for show. They have practically no chance as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully after Nirvana gets in this year and before Pearl Jam gets in in 2017 the Hall can catch up on alt-rock in those years with Sonic Youth, the Pixies, Jane's Addiction, and the Replacements in particular. But until then, they'll have to sit out this year. But even getting nominated means their foot is in the door for future classes. Getting nominated is the first step obviously.


Cat Stevens: I just don't see it happening. The Hall usually always inducts a singer-songwriter, true, but they don't usually go for two in one class, especially when there are too many popular bands that fans and the voters will want to see get in (Nirvana, KISS, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel, Yes, etc.). And with the Hall not letting this class not have a single female inductee, than the singer-songwriter spot goes to Linda Ronstadt, which means Cat is out of the running.


Link Wray: Unfortunately, I think the 50's are done for. Outside of the "Early Influences" category, I doubt we'll ever see another 50's inductee again. Wanda Jackson was the last 50's artist that had momentum and even she couldn't get in as a Performer. With this much competition, Link won't make it. His only shot is if they do the same thing they did with Wanda, and induct Link as an "Early Influence" which would suck. Even though he's very important in rock history and more than deserving, the 50's are a sunken ship when it comes to the HOF. In about 5-6 years, I think the 60's will be too. So no Link Wray unfortunately.


That's my take on the nominees and their chances.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:00pm


Great ballot, Wow!
My thoughts:
Deep Purple, Kiss, Yes, Hall and Oates, LL Cool J, Cat Stevens, Linda Ronstadt all belong, and have for a while now.

Peter Gabriel is a personal fav but has borderline credentials.

Chic has been nominated 8 or 9 times now, which is 8 or 9 times too many. Marginal 70's act. Pet project of the committee.

Paul Butterfield. Total Leon Russell, Laura Nyro pet project pick.

The Meters. I'll never forget the first time I heard about the Meters...it was probably on this board this time last year. Nobody cares, next...

The Replacements. Can't name a song, next...

Link Wray. OK, whatever, next...

The Zombies. Wuchur name, hooze yur daddy (is he rich) izzy rich like me? Great song! Picking over the remains of what is left of the 60's groups I see. Time of the season to close the door on the 60's. No.

N.W.A. I'm going to reserve judgment because I don't know enough about their music based on my age and tastes. From what I can tell, they are deserving.

Nirvana. Will go in, 100% chance and I have no problem with it. While obviously influential, I'm in the camp that their body of work and impact are a little overstated. It was all rewritten and rethought after Cobain's untimely death. They were on a similar career path as Soundgarden and most likely would have been much less relavant (faded) in the 2nd half of the 90's as tastes changed and kids moved onto the next thing. Nevermind is a monster though.

Prediction (6 because that is the only way they'll get Chic in): Nirvana, NWA, Deep Purple, Yes, LL Cool J, Chic

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:02pm


Nominees By Position In Our Rock Rankings:

#20 - Nirvana
#69 - Deep Purple
#101 - N.W.A.
#122 - Peter Gabriel
#147 - Yes
#152 - KISS
#160 - The Zombies
#169 - LL Cool J
#180 - Cat Stevens
#183 - The Replacements
#197 - Chic
#205 - Link Wray
#220 - Hall & Oates
#300 - Linda Rondstadt
#411 - Paul Butterfield Blues Band

#6 (Sidemen) - The Meters



Nominees By Position On Rolling Stone's Immortals List (2004 Edition):

#27 - Nirvana
#83 - N.W.A.

Nominees By Position On Rolling Stone's Immortals List (2010 Edition):

#30 - Nirvana

Nominees By Position On VH1's Top 100 Artists List (1998 Edition):

#42 - Nirvana
#53 - Peter Gabriel
#67 - KISS

Nominees By Position On VH1's Top 100 Artists List (2010 Edition):

#14 - Nirvana
#55 - Peter Gabriel
#56 - KISS
#86 - N.W.A.
#92 - LL Cool J

Also, this site wrongly still lists Rush in the second VH1 list as not being an inductee.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:12pm


That's a pretty good point Casper, unless Whitney or Janet had made the ballot. Then I think it would've been more difficult for voters to decide.

I also think if War or the Spinners had made the ballot (especially War) they might've had a shot.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:13pm


For the second year in a row, I am very pleased, overall, with the ballot. Still a bit surprised there is no Stevie Ray Vaughan, though.

The Replacements is a shocker. Not much of a chance, but nice to see the nomination.

I'm a little concerned that several of these will split some votes, though. Deep Purple and KISS, for instance. Both should be in but I doubt they can both get in when on the same ballot.

So pleased to see first time nominations for some of the biggest names on my own personal snub list, like Peter Gabriel, Yes, Hall & Oates, Zombies.

It is tough to make a prediction. Nirvana is a lock, it feels like it will finally be Chic's time. I also think it will be Deep Purple this time around. Perhaps this is more hoping than anything, but I'm also also going to say Peter Gabriel. That leaves a final slot to either NWA, Yes or Zombies. If it is seven instead of five inductees, then those last three fill it out. So...
Nirvana
Chic
Deep Purple
Peter Gabriel
NWA/Yes/The Zombies

That is my prediction.

As for who I cast my personal votes for on Rolling Stone's site for the "fan ballot", I voted for Peter Gabriel, Yes, Hall & Oates, KISS and The Replacements. So you can see where my personal loyalties lie here. Of course I think Nirvana deserves it, but they don't need my help on the fan ballot.

I'm still disappointed by some of the comments here about Paul Butterfield Blues Band being undeserving. I disagree. Michael Bloomfield was quite an influential guitarist, and I think you guys underestimate the importance of the song "East/West" in the grand scheme of things. They don't have (nor should they) a chance in this company, but they are not an embarrassing nomination by any stretch.

For me, the only questionable nominations here are Linda Ronstadt (sympathy vote) and The Meters. I really like the Meters, but I don't think they are really Hall worthy.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:14pm


My picks would be:

Nirvana
N.W.A.
Linda Ronstadt
The Zombies
Deep Purple
Cat Stevens

with Hall & Oates as my 7th pick.

I'd like to see Kiss, LL Cool J, Peter Gabriel, The Meters and The Replacements in, but they're not at the top of my list.

I don't support inductions for Yes, Chic, Link Wray or Paul Butterfield. The former three were always my most detested choices in our Rock Hall Projected/Revisited project.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:15pm


I think a lot of the anti-Ronstadt comments here stem from rockist, male-oriented opinions of what belongs and what doesn't. One of the greatest female rock singers of all-time certainly belongs.

Posted by DC on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:18pm


Nirvana
Deep Purple
Hall & Oates
Cat Stevens
Linda Ronstadt

If a sixth gets in - either Chic, Kiss or N.W.A. but I wouldn't be surprised if Chic got in before H&O.

NICE LIST! Ain't really complaining.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:28pm


Deep Purple.are you kidding me we know they earned it.same with Kiss,NWA. Hall and Oates and Yes
and The Zombies

Posted by Ryan Springer on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:30pm


chris has to be our prediction champion this year. His list of 15 names nailed TEN of them!

He was correct about:

Cat Stevens
Chic
Deep Purple
Hall & Oates
Linda Rondstadt
N.W.A.
Nirvana
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Yes
The Zombies

Wrong About:

Chicago
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
The Spinners
Stevie Ray Vaughan

Missed:

KISS
Link Wray
LL Cool J
The Meters
Peter Gabriel
The Replacements

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:32pm


As the picture (RS site) says for Nirvana, only 3 will be recognized. I wonder how many for Yes if ever they get in.

Posted by akeem on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:36pm


You're sure, Akeem? I know the Temptations have got in as a group of five but they inducted six (four original and two replacements). Same can happen for Nirvana but in this case, five members could get in (Kurt, Krist, Dave, Chad and Pat).

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:42pm


The induction of Yes would include:

John Anderson
Bill Bruford
Steve Howe
Tony Kaye
Chris Squire
Rick Wakeman
Alan White

And then the jury's out on Trevor Rabin. Everybody else wasn't in the band long enough.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:43pm


Scratch that, Pat Smear was a "touring" member. Chad Channing could still get in though.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:43pm


As the picture (RS site) says for Nirvana, only 3 will be recognized.

Posted by akeem on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:36pm

The picture doesn't say that. Lots of inductees are not pictured with their other band members on the Rock Hall site. Nirvana only produced 3 albums. Chad Channing was on 1 of the 3 albums. 1 out of three is a lot. Chad Channing will be inducted.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:45pm


I dont think pat would be included as he's just a touring member, a sideman would do but he can wait. As for chad's case, although he made an album with them but he left the band early before nirvana made it big.

Posted by akeem on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:54pm


Pat Smear was never a member of Nirvana, just a touring hand.

Chad Channing does have a shot at being included with Nirvana, but it's still very unlikely. Bleach is a pretty good album, but it's not a classic, so I don't see the Hall going out of their way for him.

Nirvana will just be the trio.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:56pm


http://rockhall.com/get-involved/interact/poll/

The poll is now up on the Rock Hall site

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:58pm


Pat Smear was never a member of Nirvana, just a touring hand.

Chad Channing does have a shot at being included with Nirvana, but it's still very unlikely. Bleach is a pretty good album, but it's not a classic, so I don't see the Hall going out of their way for him.

Nirvana will just be the trio.
Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:56pm


Unless the other members make the Rock Hall induct Channing!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 00:07am



The nominees page is up on the Rock Hall site. I can't put the link here. It's telling me it's spam.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 00:15am


Roy, Dave Grohl could probably care less, so it would be up to whether or not Krist felt Chad should be inducted with them.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 00:15am


Looks like The Replacements have taken over in the fan poll for the fourth spot, with Yes at the 5th spot and Peter Gabriel right on their trail. KISS, Deep Purple, and Nirvana are still dominating the top 3 spots, and Nirvana is dominating the No. 1 spot. I was thinking that Deep Purple and KISS would nab the top two spots on the poll, but it looks like Nirvana will clearly win the fan poll.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 00:25am


I'm hoping the RNRHOF will do a video of the nominations like last year's as it was really good I thought.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 00:25am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPNMp5_vhd0

This year's nominees video is not that good

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 00:32am



DC-The anti-Ronstadt comments are based on the fact that she was a cover's artist who did nothing creative, took no risks at all, broke no boundaries and had a toothless, safe career that epitomized everything that was wrong with the 70s music scene. I just think it's a massive insult to artists that did take risks, did go against the grain, and did contribute creatively to their own success. There is a reason why Ronstadt has zero relevance today. And there are strong reasons she has never been nominated before. And to me it made all the whining from fans and cronies very suspect. For example, a band like Chicago is much more deserving of consideration. If anything, the only thing that gets Ronstadt consideration at all is the women in rock angle, although she was not even close to the first female rock superstar. (Joplin). Joan Jett would have been a better choice. But that angle will probably be enough, sadly, to get her in.
With that said, it will be very tough to fill the top five spots. Presumably Nirvana will be in. After that it is a free for all.
I like the Replacements (and they are not Sonic Youth (:), but the ballot again skews very "classic rawk." The 80s are again essentially bypassed. (The Zombies?). At least they nomiated a prog act.





Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 00:41am


I honestly think that Link Wray will have a better shot with the actual voters than a lot of people seem to be anticipating. I'd also pick Peter Gabriel as the closest thing to a lock other than Nirvana.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 00:58am


"at least they nominated a prog act"

That discredits everything you have said, astrodog. Prog is the be-all, end-all isn't it? Jesus.

Posted by DC on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 00:59am


DC-The R&RHF has a history of ignoring entire subgenres of rock and roll, as well as entire decades. It's antipathy towards prog acts is notorious.
Explain to me why Ronstadt deserves a nomination, but (for example) Carly Simon who had three platinum level selling albums before 1974 with music she actually wrote does not? And people actually still know her songs.

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 01:06am


The induction of Yes would include:

John Anderson
Bill Bruford
Steve Howe
Tony Kaye
Chris Squire
Rick Wakeman
Alan White

And then the jury's out on Trevor Rabin. Everybody else wasn't in the band long enough.


Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.15.13 @ 23:43pm

I know that Trevor Rabin is a somewhat controversial figure in Yes history, but he definitely deserves to be inducted with them if they get in. He saved the band from oblivion in the 80's and he was the creative force behind their biggest selling record.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 01:17am


Yeah, the video for the nominees was pretty terrible.

I have to admit that astrodog's argument against Linda Ronstadt's induction is a sound argument for sure.

However, there's tons of artists in the HOF that didn't write their own material, from Elvis to the majority of the vocal groups. So I really don't feel that point should completely disqualify an artist (which I'm sure astrodog isn't meaning to say). But I do agree there were female artists such as Carly Simon, Carole King and others that did write their own material and thus you could say were more talented than Linda Ronstadt. However, Linda's place in 1970's music was pretty big. She was the most popular female artist of the decade, and if you're gonna have female rock artists of the 70's in the Hall, Linda is as notable a choice as any.

In all honestly, I'm pretty indifferent to Linda. I think she's deserving of being inducted, but at the same time, I don't think she's a giant snub either.

But I do think it's pretty darn close to a lock that Linda will be inducted as the Hall will not want to look sexist by not inducting a single female act, and Linda is the only act on the ballot that is all female. Chic does have female members, but let's be real, Chic is known for Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards, not the female singers in the band (see, I don't even know the female members' names). I can see Linda not quite making it to the top 5, so Jann and the committee will thrown her in as the 6th inductee to round it out and have a female inductee in the class.

I will agree though that her status as a notable female artist is what's getting her looked at, and probably not so much her accomplishments.

She wasn't an innovator or all that influential for sure. I will agree with that.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 01:33am


RE: Linda Ronstadt

I also think that the Hall is trying to avoid a Donna Summer situation here as well.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 01:40am


Overall, I thought that it was a very disappointing list. There were however a few bright spots:

Yes- I had originally chosen them as a 2015 inductee, now it looks like they will get in one year earlier. I wonder who will induct them? I fully expect Geddy, Alex & Neil to return.

Peter Gabriel- one of my favorite solo artists. "New Blood" is a fantastic recording. His third untitled album is a masterpiece, as is "Security" and "So."

Hall And Oates- Daryl Hall has done a lot for exposing new and older artists with his show: 'Live At Daryl's House." Plus, Hall And Oates were quite prolific songwriters.

Deep Purple- Okay, this is their second try. I see that their stiffest competition is Kiss. It's a lucky thing that they were originally a "prog rock" band. Who will induct them? Lars
Ulrich of Metallica perhaps?

The Zombies- I am only familiar with "Time Of The Season." I would have chosen The Moody Blues, instead.




Deep Purple-

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 02:26am


I don't know about everyone else, but I'd say that Link Wray was the left field pick for this year. Didn't see him coming at all.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 02:27am


Deep Purple, Link Wray and the Zombies!! Yeahhhhh baby!!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 02:32am


Ranking the nominees in order of my favorites...

16. Link Wray
15. Paul Butterfield Blues Band
14. The Meters
13. Chic
12. Cat Stevens
11. Linda Ronstadt
10. Yes

Artists in my 200 Favorite Artists of All-Time

9. LL Cool J
8. Hall & Oates
7. The Zombies
6. N.W.A.
5. Deep Purple
4. The Replacements
3. Peter Gabriel
2. KISS
1. Nirvana

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 02:34am


It's funny that Ronstadt was supposedly such a big commercial artist in the 70s, yet in her entire career she only had one song hit the US number 1 spot, which of course she did not write.

Just compare her to Donna Summer. Summer had 3-4 number one songs, was involved in writing her own material with Moroder, and did some innovative music. (I Feel Love).

Writing your own material is important because it is a legitimate way of evaluating relative talent and the degree to which an artist contributed to his/her own success. If not you better have something else to offer. Whitney Houston for example didn't write her own material but had a truly huge commercial impact. (11 No. 1 songs). And claims that Ronstadt was a pioneer are ridiculous. Overlooking all the female pop stars and girl groups of the 60s, you had Joplin and Carol King who had a monster album with Tapestry in 71 and Carly Simon. Olivia Newton-John had two No. 1 albums and two No. 1 songs by 1975. Even Cher in the mid 60s and early 70s. Heck by 1975 you had Fleetwood Mac with Stevie Nicks dominating the US charts. And it's not like Ronstadt was pushing an edgier image or doing harder edged music. It was soft rock.

I could continue this tirade all day (and probably will). But nominating Ronstadt is like nominating Celine Dion. It's just that for a few years her fan club and cronies have pushed a nomination that is indefensible and an insult to creative artists. It's a travesty of a farce of a scandal. The consolation is that Ronstadt will remain just as irrelevant.

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 03:25am


IMO, after Nirvana, I think there won't be any first year eligible nominee/s for the next two or three years. They can wait for another round. Nirvana was very huge that other first year eligibles cannot really attain the impact nirvana made. Eventhough nirvana didnt start grunge or alternative rock, still they made that huge impact especially in the 90s. And the current list it shows a lot of artists that were first time nominated but long overdue. It just shows that the committee is really considering other long due artists.

Posted by akeem on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 04:05am


There's some pretty big names becoming eligible over the next two years in Green Day, Nine Inch Nails, Alice in Chains, and a Tribe Called Quest.

But I don't think it'll be until the 2017 class that we definitely get a first ballot HOFer as both Pearl Jam and 2Pac will be eligible.

I'm pretty sure the Hall will pass on both Nine Inch Nails and Alice in Chains for the first time around. If the Hall hasn't nominated Soundgarden yet, then they'll most likely pass on Alice in Chains too. And Nine Inch Nails I don't think is really mainstream enough for the Hall to make a push for on their first year of eligibility.

However, Green Day is a band that I can see the Hall pushing towards. They're kind of in that Rolling Stone-liberal political club that can get them a nomination.

I can also see them nominating A Tribe Called Quest as well. If N.W.A. gets in this year, then next year (1989 eligibles) LL Cool J can be the rap artist they push for. So by the 2016 class (1990 eligible) if N.W.A. and LL are both in that that leaves room for a Tribe Called Quest to be the next rap nominee (most likely with a second nomination for Eric B. and Rakim and a first time nomination for Salt N' Pepa or De La Soul).

Now, whether Green Day and A Tribe Called Quest get inducted on their first shot, that's another story.

But I think more than likely Green Day will be on next year's ballot and A Tribe Called Quest will be on the ballot the following year.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 04:23am


I forgot wenner mentioned green day as possible candidate but imo they kinda a copy of The Cure. If brittany would read this she would go ballistic.

Posted by akeem on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 05:33am


It is an interesting year to say the least. It seems a bit like here are a bunch of snubs and one new act. I don't think there is a candidate that lacks the credentials to get in, which is saying something for a nominee ballot. Although there is a lack of R&B again, but Hip Hop has more to do with that than anything else.


Astrodog,

While I can agree that Linda Ronstadt isn't the most important artist left out of the hall, I can't agree with much else in your posts. To most people alive in the 1970s Ronstadt was iconic and the one of (if not the) foremost female recording artists of the decade. That really was only challenged by Donna Summer's late 70s run, Diana Ross's pure star wattage, the ladies of Fleetwood Mac, Karen Carpenter's actual soft rock, and Carole King's very big moment in 1971 (after which she dropped off quite a bit). Of course outside of Rock everyone takes a back seat to Barbra Streisand. Carly Simon, while deserving of induction, wasn't on the same playing field in the 70s. Does that mean she was the most important female artist of the decade? No. Aretha Franklin, Joni Mitchell, and a few others have her beat in all around look at output. But Ronstadt is up there, and for the Country Rock style she is the female artist to beat.

I think one of the biggest mistakes music fans make is to assume that songwriting is a necessity to being considered a great artist. It isn't. What you do within a song is actually the overall achievement and many artists became notable through covers of others material. Ronstadt is a vocal stylist, and one of the most gifted of the Rock era in that arena. Dionne Warwick comes to mind as her biggest competition. Ronstadt understands vocals as well as any great instrumentalist understands their instrument. Her career is incredibly diverse, stretching out across multiple genres, styles, and eras. She may not have been a composer, but to short her for that is to ignore the achievements of many of the greatest icons of music (Sinatra, Holiday, Crosby) who didn't pen very much of their own stuff.

Writing isn't the end all be all of creating music, the overall sound of the record is the most important. In that regard Ronstadt made lasting records that were very popular in her time. She is a glaring omission at the Hall, and her first nomination is well deserved. If guitarists get in for being skilled, why wouldn't a technically gifted vocalist be given the same credit? Ronstadt can sing circles around most, and actually is incredibly intelligent and educated when it comes down to the details of what vocals are all about. It is that vocal ability which qualifies her, and puts her in the playing field for the Hall.

As for popularity. There really aren't many that compare. She had a lone number one single yes, but 21 Top 40 hits which is a more important factor than a number one. Not to mention her 3 very huge albums in the 70s, in a career that has charted 35 albums on the album charts. And her 30 million in album sales puts her in the top 100 of album artists. Not to mention that in the 1970s (where half of her sales come from) puts her behind only Barbra Streisand (non Rock) and Fleetwood Mac (mixed gender) in sales for female artists.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 07:30am



I really can't complain with this list. Tons of great artists to choose from...I don't think I will be disappointed regardless of who gets inducted.

Peter Gabriel, Link Wray and The Replacements were big surprises to me, but all are very deserving. With such a stacked ballot, I wouldn't be surprised if we get 7-8 nominees.

I also am surprised with the lack of women on the ballot, but given the amount of depth on the list, I am not overly disappointed. I agree that this likely makes Ronstadt close to a lock.

Posted by BSLO on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 08:12am


Here is my prediction for the Class of 2014 based on the 16 nominees.

Inductees Presenter

Nirvana Eddie Vedder
N.W.A. Eminem
Peter Gabriel Chris Martin, Bono or Sting
KISS Steven Tyler
Hall & Oates Smokey Robinson or Questlove
Chic Pharrell & Daft Punk

Lifetime Achievement

Linda Ronstadt (Yes, since there is 16 on the ballot when there should be only 15, they will probably throw Linda in the Lifetime Achievement category)

Other Non-Performer Award:

Rick Rubin (He has produced several inductees for over 30 years now like Beastie Boys, Tom Petty, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and more).


For 2015:

Deep Purple will get in with Green Day and 3 other artist depended on who makes the ballot in 2015.

Posted by Kyle on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 08:36am




http://www.today.com/video/today/53294799/#53294799

NBC TODAY SHOW VIDEO - 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 09:24am


Will there be 7 or 8 inductees? It better be 8 since there are 16 nominees.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 09:27am


Chris F-For someone who was supposedly so "iconic", she left a very meager legacy. That's what happens when you have a bland, uncreative, riskless, non-challenging, non-threatening career. For all the talk about "back then", she is irrelevant now. Just a conventional singer.

Not saying she was not a good singer. So was Olivia-Newton John. But she wasn't on the level of Karen Carpenter or Judith Durham. Nor even Pat Benatar. She had chart success singing songs like Blue Bayou. She certainly didn't do anything to change how songs were sung.

The inability to write songs reflects the lack of talent. She wasn't so historically great as a singer to overcome that. And her commercial success was not so enormous that it overcomes her shortcomings.

In sum, she had a nice commercial run from 75-79, had a successful career, and frankly did nothing worthy of being singled out for an honor. Her advocates keep throwing out nonsense (she was the first female rock superstar; she discovered the great American songbook; her unique vocal talents transcend her limitations). Her vocal talents were no greater than a litany of female stars from the 60s onward who had nice voices and hits singing other people's songs. She is a completely unworthy nominee, but will likely be an even more unworthy inductee given how the politics of Women in rock play out. And will remain just as irrelevant the day after.

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 09:41am


My rundown of the nominees:

Want to Get In:
KISS
Deep Purple
Hall and Oates
Yes
The Zombies

Don't Care Either Way:
Chic
Paul Buttlerfield
The Meters
The Replacements
Linda Ronstadt
Cat Stevens
Link Wray
Peter Gabriel
Nirvana

No Can Do:
LL Cool J
N.W.A.
(If I have this once, I have said this a million times, this is a Rock HOF, not a Rap one)



Posted by danny on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 09:45am


http://www.nbcnews.com/entertainment/nirvana-linda-ronstadt-ll-cool-j-among-rock-roll-hall-8C11400900

Nirvana, Linda Ronstadt, LL Cool J among Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees

I can't find NBC/MSNBC's damn poll!!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 09:52am



After last year's debacle of Public Enemy and Randy Newman getting inducted over Deep Purple and Procol Harum, I hope the committee can get its head out of its asses, and do something constructive for a change.

Posted by danny on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 10:00am


http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1715663/nirvana-rock-roll-hall-fame-nominations.jhtml

MTV: Nirvana Lead Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees List
The Replacements, Kiss, LL Cool J and N.W.A. also on the list for 2014 induction.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 10:12am


Gentlemen, this is the kind of ballot dreams are made of.

I'd say the hall should just do a "We're Sorry" induction (like the Baseball HOF did with the African-American leagues) and induct all of them.

Can't even think about any choices besides Nirvana and KISS right now.

Posted by Jim on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 10:30am


How 'bout That LINK WRAY!

Maybe... maybe this time...

That was a surprise for me. So were the Replacements, KISS, Yes, & Deep Purple (though not as much so as the others).

My Happy Ballot:

Nirvana
Purple
Link Wray
Yes
Hall & Oates (another semi-surprise)

I'll probably not see them all, but a few will suffice...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 11:02am


If Voting Seniority...

The 2014 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees

01. Link Wray
02. The Zombies
03. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
04. Cat Stevens
05. Deep Purple
06. Yes
07. Linda Ronstadt
08. The Meters

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 11:25am


Chris F., responding to this quote in your writeup about Linda Rondstat: 'Writing isn't the end all be all of creating music, the overall sound of the record is the most important. In that regard Ronstadt made lasting records that were very popular in her time. She is a glaring omission at the Hall, and her first nomination is well deserved. If guitarists get in for being skilled, why wouldn't a technically gifted vocalist be given the same credit?'

If this is true, it should apply to Three Dog Night times 12. They were alot more popular than Ms. Rondstat & have many more 'stats' (excepting the XX chromosones) than Ms. Rondstat.

I was there in 70s & she was quite popular for several years. Saw her on TV on various variety shows, etc.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 11:36am


Paul in KY,

I think Three Dog Night is overlooked and they were a lot like Ronstadt, especially her late 70s stuff that tended to go for a mainstream Pop sound. She still seems to beat them in overall popularity (not so much at the time, but in retrospect). They do have a solid singles chart history. I think Three Dog Night's big hurdle is that they were really Adult Contemporary before it was okay to be. The suffer that Carpenters curse of being just to cool to adults. Back in the 70s that was a horrible thing (Now it is the format where Rock stars go to die). In that way Ronstadt is boosted by being a female, she doesn't have competition to deal with.

But I have always supported a slot going to a "Popular" act. Because at the end of the day those groups are the ones still selling out the arenas and they have rabid fans. Influence, innovation, and creativity are great. But for a lot of people bands like Three Dog Night defined their idea of Rock. If Ronstadt gets in, it might open a door for them. Although I assume it will make Olivia Newton-John's chances higher instead.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 11:54am


If Voting for Most Recent Acts...

The 2014 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees

01. Nirvana
02. N.W.A
03. LL Cool J
04. The Replacements
05. Chic
06. Peter Gabriel
07. Kiss
08. Hall and Oates

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 11:54am


Link Wray is too popular. He is not getting an early influence induction. Linda Ronstadt is not getting a lifetime achievement induction. They will both get in in the main performers category no matter how long it takes. It won't take long.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 12:01pm


Roy,

I completely agree about Wray. He also doesn't have that other genre connection like Wanda Jackson had to Country. Although I was a little shocked that they just slid Wanda in like that. And as for Lifetime Achievement the only artist I can think of that has it is Herb Alpert, and I assumed that was for his A&M connection.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 12:10pm


Chris F.-You do hit on a salient point when you compare Ronstadt to the Carpenters. The point is that people still listen to the Carpenters and they still have a place in popular culture. The song choices were better and Karen's voice was truly that distinctive. If we are being honest Ronstadt did not make lasting records, which is why no one listens anymore. She was popular in her time by being as bland as possible. That's about it.

If you doubt me, compare their relative Youtube views. Not the most scientific method I grant you, but for someone who was supposedly "so popular" in her time Ronstadt left a very slight legacy. Part of why there is a delay in when artists are eligible is precisely because their legacy needs to be evaluated over time. Time has simply been very unkind to Ronstadt.

All that said, I not going to belabor the point of how unworthy this nomination is. Her cronies and journalistic friends have been aggressively pushing for her to be nominated in the false belief that this will give her a legacy her music never earned, coming up with one silly rationale after another to compensate for an insipid career. It won't.

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 12:11pm



After last year's debacle of Public Enemy and Randy Newman getting inducted over Deep Purple and Procol Harum, I hope the committee can get its head out of its asses, and do something constructive for a change.

Posted by danny on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 10:00am

Public Enemy getting inducted last year was an deserved automatic first year inducted.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 12:18pm


Astrodog,

I don't doubt that Karen Carpenter's legacy shines a bit brighter than Ronstadt's today. Or that Ronstadt's current popularity is lower than other women she was a peer of. I am only saying that Ronstadt's career at the time of her peak warrants a nomination, and that her vocals (which outdo even Carpenter's alto) are surpassed by few. Her strange foray into non-Rock music in the 1990s caused her fan base to dry up. And she didn't really recover from that. I am not even a huge Ronstadt supporter. But she seems to be getting pointed out because of a lack of understanding of what she meant to that era.

There is no supposedly "so popular". She was incredibly popular. She out charted and out sold everyone else. And it was a consistent track that lead her through 2 decades. The same can't be said for someone like Carole King or puttered out after the mammoth Tapestry or Carly Simon who had a slight reentry in the late 80s. It can't even be said for the Carpenters. Who had a 4 year dominance period, and then drifted off. I don't think popularity is an end all be all, but it is one thing that can be measured to a large degree. Unless it is Vevo on Youtube I don't pay attention to views (the videos go up and down all the time). As for enduring hits "You're No Good" and "Blue Bayou" still are radio favorites.

Far less deserving artists have been nominated and inducted. Ronstadt isn't one of them. Now if she takes some deserving acts spot this year, you will have a huge point that can be made (Deep Purple, KISS, Chic, NWA, or LL Cool J). The nomination however is long overdue.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 12:29pm


Wooooah that's a surprisingly good ballot!

I'd probably support an induction for all of them except maybe The Meters and TPBB.

If I could pick the inductees I'd go for this:

Nirvana (duh)
N.W.A.
Deep Purple
Yes
The Zombies

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 12:57pm


5 acts from last year's ballot are back on the ballot this year!

Chic
Deep Purple
The Meters
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
N.W.A

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 13:14pm


Top five for me, although the Hall's relationship with Kiss has been sketchy.

Posted by Lucario on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 13:18pm


Thank you for your response, Chris. To me the difference is that for about a year 1/2 after The Beatles broke up, Three Dog Night were the biggest pop act on the planet.

Linda Rondstat was never anywhere near as popular (during her heyday) as Three Dog Night were during theirs.

Although you classify them as 'adult contemporary', they were a pop act during their glory years.

I know Linda went to all the cool parties & knew everyone. I would say that helps her alot here (plus her unfortunate illness).

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 13:57pm


Stevie Ray Vaughan is the new Deep Purple.
How can they pass on him again?

Posted by Mosey A.Long on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 14:14pm


Still no Janet Jackson on the ballot. Wow!

Linda Ronstadt is the lone female artist nominee. That's slightly embarrassing....but whatever.

Nirvana is a lock. NWA looks pretty solid.

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 14:20pm


No Classic R&B artists. I KNEW that, once the R&B Hall of Fame came into being,that the RRHOF would use it as an EXCUSE NOT to nominate of induct classic R&B artists.

I was right.

Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 14:24pm


Paul,

I don't think Three Dog Night was actually Adult Contemporary what I meant is that they were very popular on the Easy Listening stations at the time. Which became the Adult Contemporary format after 1979. They were most certainly a Pop-Rock act, but the parents of kids were listening to them as well. They had quite a bit of success on those charts in addition to the overall Hot 100 chart everyone talks about. "An Old Fashioned Love Song" as an example hit #1 in 1971 on the AC charts, which puts them in a class with a lot of acts not in the Hall because they aren't deemed "cool" enough (The Carpenters, Barry Manilow, and Olivia Newton-John). I love Three Dog Night, even there more straight forward Pop stuff. I don't consider them Adult Contemporary, at least not how it is defined today. But they started charting there in that early 70s part of their career.

I don't think Ronstadt seemed as popular at the time as Three Dog Night. I just meant when you look back at all the factors of popularity she edges them out. Bigger album sales, the same amount of Top 40 hits (exactly the same), a bit less in singles sales, but a larger overall chart history. I think in 1973 if you had to pick the bigger act people would point to Three Dog Night, and in 1978 it would have been Ronstadt. But I agree her illness, and the fact she is a woman might help her this year. Although the Hall may induct Chic and consider that for the female spot. Although it always seems sexist that the Hall has a "female" spot.

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 14:28pm


Chic is a disco band. Disco is related to classic R&B. Janet Jackson and Stevie Ray may be a bit to contemporary for right now.

Posted by Lucario on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 14:45pm


I think my feelgood class would be The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Peter Gabriel, Nirvana, NWA, the Replacements and Link Wray. I'd also be happy if the Zombies, Deep Purple, the Meters or Chic were inducted. All deserving.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 14:49pm


My notion is that Stevie Ray's hold up is that they realized what a backlog of previous guitar pioneers and heroes they had. At first it seemed that they were just filling in some blues gaps, but Link Wray's induction makes me think that they might be going broader than that (Dick Dale next year?). I am an SRV fan, but if this is what they're doing I completely understand.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 15:12pm


So at the induction ceremony, who do you reckon is most likely to twerk? My moneys on John Oates tbh.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 15:16pm


First, I have to say that this is a VERY decent list of nominees. I agree that the 2013 induction was very pivotal as far as the future of other DESERVING artists for possible induction. But make no mistake: there's NO doubt that part of the reason is the FACT that the Hall has faced credibility issues, particularly over the last seven years to my thinking. That said, to the Hall's credit, at least it seems they're trying to rectify some of those issues. P.R. reasons, you might say? Perhaps. Even so, as the old adage goes, it's better late than never! Anyway, my picks are as follows:

Chic: In my opinion, they should be in BEFORE N.W.A.or LL Cool J. Frankly, I'm sure BOTH would agree as well.

Deep Purple: I was hoping they would've been inducted alongside Rush THIS year. If ANY hard rock fan has a discussion about the importance of Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, that discussion better include Deep Purple as well. The "elephant in the room" for 2014. Enough said.

Peter Gabriel: I'd like to say this pick surprised me, but truthfully, it doesn't. Peter is well respected, influential, and popular. It could be argued that his influence and importance is of higher significance as a solo artist moreso than as a member of Genesis. Subjective of course, but then again, so is the Rock Hall! But I digress.

Kiss: Another LONG OVERDUE induction! Their combination of straight-ahead rock and roll with visual flair set a standard that MANY have followed. The influence remains undeniable, like it or not! Hell, even Alice agrees! Any questions?

The Replacements: Now this is a pleasant surprise! They were Nirvana BEFORE Nirvana, to be kind. A little ahead of their time for sure! Ironically, the first song I'd ever heard from them was a cover of Kiss' 'Black Diamond' off their seminal 1984 album 'Let It Be'. An "underground" classic!

Great comments everybody no matter who your picks are for 2014! Great site as well! Thanks FRL!





Posted by V.F.T. on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 16:32pm


Ronstadt was popular at the time but she wasn't that popular. She had hits with songs like Heatwave. Carol King with one album outsold her for the entire decade. After Grease Olvia Newton John was much more pronounced in popular culture. Realizing how weak her resume is her fans will tend to exaggerate this factor. She cannot even compare to Whitney Houston.

And the point is precisely that when you nominate one person you are claiming that they are more worthy than all the other artists that were not nominated. Is she really more worthy than the Moody Blues? Or Chicago? Or Carly Simon? All of these artists with the talent to write their own material. Or more popular than the Monkees perhaps? Was she as edgy or challenging as Joan Jett? Or even Pat Benatar? You can go on and on. Jethro Tull? King Crimson? Iron Maiden? The Cure? People are assuming that she will be inducted, so she stole a place from every truly worthy artist you care to think of. If the idea was that they needed someone to fill the "women's slot," it's even worse.

Ronstadt has friends and cronies among music journalists and on the committee which accounts for the incessant whining. Otherwise you cannot point to continued album sales (see Abba as a good example). You cannot point to songs that have penetrated into popular culture such as Your So Vain or Natural Women or even Physical. You cannot point to the slightest impact on contemporary artists. You cannot point to any real creative accomplishment. And you cannot point to any influence or relevance among contemporary music fans. (Again not perfect, but YT is the best barometer we have and it speaks volumes to a very bland career). She has pals who want her nominated. Yeah for them. Uninspiring.

This nonsense aside, I would go with Nirvana, Deep Purple, Yes, and Chic. Wouldn't object to Peter Gabriel. Don't care to much for NWA.

Also, interest seems quite muted on the whole. The music scene just seems very boring nowadays.

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 17:00pm


To astrodog

Linda Ronstadt will be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The end.

Linda Ronstadt outsold and out-sung every solo artist throughout the 70's. Four consecutive platinum albums in the 70s: Heart Like A Wheel, Prisoner In Disguise, Hasten Down The Wind and Simple Dreams. 12 Grammys, and over 100 millions albums sold. I'm not even going to list her other accolades because you find something to debate about.

Im in my early 20's and I wouldn't consider myself the biggest Ronstadt fan...but when you started comparing Ronstadt to Olivia Newton John and the Carpenters....something needed to be said.

For starters, Ronstadt was in the forefront of what is now regarded as the Country Rock movement (or SoCal) she started among many greats such as the Eagles (who by the way helped put together in the first place). Olivia Newton John and the Carpenters WILL NEVER get nominated or inducted. Ronstadt out sung all of them and has more street credibility than these teenie boppers. Olivia Newton John was the Britney Spears of her time. Average voice and average talent. The only people buying the Carpenters are foreigners like Asian people who them who use them for karaoke.

As far as her culture impact, have you not seen American Idol or the X factor? Numerous contestants sing RONSTADT's version of the cover song they are performing. In fact many contestant don't even know who the original artist is and they assume it's Ronstadt who sang the original because Ronstadt's version is what made a bigger impact in people's consciousness when they associate a certain song. Her versions of songs have been used in commercials such as Ford Motor Company (that were widely popular in TX). And how many of those called "worthy" nominees ever performed with Homer Simpson and Kermit the Frog? NONE of them! But seriously, at her height, Ronstadt stood among the best.

Everyone from Carrie Underwood to Kelly Clarkson to Martina McBride (all amazing singers)have credited Ronstadt as an influence to their artistry. Lets be honest not many people have the vocal range of Ronstadt. Her voice alone deserves all the accolades shes gotten.

You may not be a Ronstadt fan and that's ok we all have different taste but don't undermine her talent. And you may not like Ronstadt for whatever reason, may it be for her political views, but don't undermine her success and her worthiness of being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Her acknowledgment is long over due and she defined what a female rock artist was back in the glory days of Rock and Roll.

Posted by daftjustice on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 18:06pm


Im sorry but ronstadt is a one hit wonder (blue bayou) unlike the carpenters and olivia newton john.

Posted by chupacabras on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 18:33pm


Blue Bayou isn't consider her biggest hit...so clearly you know nothing about her music or her genre.

And again this is why Ronstadt is nominated and those two acts are not. The Carpenters were good. But it may be a while for them to get in.

Posted by daftjustice on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 18:49pm


Really good list. Something for everyone here. How I think it'll go with the inductions:

-Nirvana: Obviously. Rolling Stone likes to overstate their place, that's true, but even when you acknowledge that there's not much to argue.

-Chic: Not a fan, but they're way overdue at this point. Enough embarrassments of letting people in after they die.

-Deep Purple: That they're still waiting after twenty years is preposterous, and the Hall knows it. I prefer Zeppelin and Sabbath much more, but as far as the old Innovation & Influence is concerned Blackmore and friends ARE comparable with those two legends. Ask the hard rock and metal musicians and you'll get a similar response.

-Yes OR KISS: One of them will get in. I don't think we'll see three 70's guitar groups go in at once, so one of these guys will be the odd one out. Both are huge omissions, and both are giants in their genres. If I had to guess I'd say Yes would be the ones inducted.

-N.W.A.: For the second year in a row they're splitting the vote with another rap act. They tower over LL Cool J, however; this will be their year.

Peter Gabriel will get in soon, this is just too strong a group he has to contend with. It would be a HUGE boost for the other alternative groups for The Replacements to get in, but no chance. Link Wray would definitely get my vote but the only chance he has is if he gets the Early Influence tag, which would make no sense. Not familiar with much of the Zombies' catalog, but they wouldn't be a bad pick. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make it, given how well first-time 60's groups seem to do in the voting.

Not familiar enough with Ronstadt to comment. Which album do I start with?

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 19:17pm


Really good list. Something for everyone here. How I think it'll go with the inductions:

-Nirvana: Obviously. Rolling Stone likes to overstate their place, that's true, but even when you acknowledge that there's not much to argue.

-Chic: Not a fan, but they're way overdue at this point. Enough embarrassments of letting people in after they die.

-Deep Purple: That they're still waiting after twenty years is preposterous, and the Hall knows it. I prefer Zeppelin and Sabbath much more, but as far as the old Innovation & Influence is concerned Blackmore and friends ARE comparable with those two legends. Ask the hard rock and metal musicians and you'll get a similar response.

-Yes OR KISS: One of them will get in. I don't think we'll see three 70's guitar groups go in at once, so one of these guys will be the odd one out. Both are huge omissions, and both are giants in their genres. If I had to guess I'd say Yes would be the ones inducted.

-N.W.A.: For the second year in a row they're splitting the vote with another rap act. They tower over LL Cool J, however; this will be their year.

Peter Gabriel will get in soon, this is just too strong a group he has to contend with. It would be a HUGE boost for the other alternative groups for The Replacements to get in, but no chance. Link Wray would definitely get my vote but the only chance he has is if he gets the Early Influence tag, which would make no sense. Not familiar with much of the Zombies' catalog, but they wouldn't be a bad pick. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make it, given how well first-time 60's groups seem to do in the voting.

Not familiar enough with Ronstadt to comment. Which album do I start with?

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 19:17pm


Public Enemy getting inducted last year was an deserved automatic first year inducted.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 12:18pm

For the millionth time, RAP DOES NOT BELONG IN THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME. Apparently "Fight the Power" was more important than "Smoke on the Water", and "A Whiter Shade of Pale" last year.

Posted by danny on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 19:38pm


Before I write my commentary, I just want to advise everyone: DON'T waste your time voting for Nirvana on the Fan Ballot. They're going to get in anyway.

Vote with your heart. Vote for someone you feel is long overdue. That's why I'm voting for KISS.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 19:47pm


@daftjustice-Where do you get those numbers? 100 million? Considering none of her albums went over 3xs platinum (Simple Dreams certified in 1990) that's a bit far fetched. Fleetwood Mac's 1975 album was 5xs platinum. Rumours (1977) was 19xs platinum. That is an actual example of the type of mass popularity that overcomes all objections.

I'm just using the Carpenters as an example. But the fact remains that the Carpenters are much more relevant today than Ronstadt. I'm not an ONJ fan, but she had a song at No. 1 for nine weeks among others and she was on a massive soundtrack (Grease, 1978). Again, the charts are not backing up the claims of Ronstadt's overriding mass appeal.

I see you dredging up the country rock canard again. This is exactly what I mean when I say that her fans always exaggerate to give her significance she doesn't have. Before Ronstadt released an album artist such as Dylan, the Everly Brothers, the Buffalo Springfield, The Byrds, The band, etc. had already released country rock albums. And Ronstadt "pioneering" work in hardly a groundbreaking subgenre (remember rockabilly?) was to cover previously released country rock songs. Why is it that every single time her fans try to defend her they lie through their teeth. (Please follow up with "she was the first female rock superstar."). This overstatement is necessary because genuine accomplishments are so lacking, but it just proves the point. Real accomplishments and creative achievement doesn't need to be exaggerated.

Nice to here that some singers like her. That hardly amounts to influence (i.e., effecting stylistic changes in music).

That singers on X-Factor covered her cover songs borders on self-parody. So it's not her song but they sing it like her? Terrific.

She as poor and indefensible a nominee as you can get. She was a bland, successful conventional singer, nothing more. But she sung with Kermit the Frog! Well that certainly changes things.

All that said, she will be inducted. So rest easy. Her pals want her inducted. Wont change her irrelevancy one bit. But at least you an say that you are a fan of a R&RHF inductee.

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 20:20pm


ronstadt was nominated because of Eagles and i don't want to consider her illness (so sorry to say) as one of the factors why she's nominated. and also the asians sing "blue bayou" in karaoke because it's the only song from ronstadt they know.

Posted by chupacabras on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 20:20pm


I actually wouldn't mind a Carpenters induction...

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 20:32pm


i think the carpenters nomination will be when rihanna, katy perry, lady gaga, justin bieber will be eligible since the committee would realize that pop mostly dominated that era. lol. i think rock and roll is dying in this era. but it's good to know that the carpenters were really competing (in terms of music charts) with the likes of led zeppelin, john lennon and all other artists that are big in 70s.

Posted by chupacabras on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 20:37pm


What I find shameful is the lack of Jackie Brenston, Big Mama Thornton, and Chubby Checker.

Posted by Lucario on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 21:04pm


One more free opinion that is worth every dime you paid for it:

The Hall almost always inducts one act that is in its first year of eligibility; usually rightly so, since the act's influence is unquestioned (see Madonna, Guns 'N Roses, Public Enemy, etc.) In this case, Nirvana.

They also usually will have a sympathy vote for someone who recently died, or has had a life-changing event. Linda Ronstadt's Parkinson's diagnosis is an obvious example.

Lately, for some reason, they feel the need to induct a rap act every year. Regardless of the reasons, (and I don't agree with their being deserving), N.W.A (is there a third period in their name or not?) will probably be in.

They also need some act or group that will bring in the people willing to shell out big bucks--if they can convince them to come and (hopefully) perform. Aside from Nirvana--can they convince someone to resurrect Kurt Cobain?), the only show-stopper I can think of in this group is if Kiss would reunite its four original members.

And finally, to prove that they know more than us mortals, they will pick some obscure, forgotten act that is absolutely deserving, but so far off the radar that nobody saw it coming. Here, that could be Link Wray, the Meters, or Butterfield.

Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 21:08pm


Nirvana is a shoe-in
Chic they should get over with
Deep Purple should get in to make up for the classic lineup member's death
Kiss is iffy considering their relationship with the Hall
Hall & Oates I know little about, but have always assumed is a cheezy pop duo
The Replacements I know little about
Peter Gabriel got in as a member of Genesis. That should be enough
LL Cool J isn't needed. What we need is the Sugarhill Gang
Link Wray shouldn't get in before Dick Dale
The Meters are someone of which I am unfamiliar
N.W.A needn't get in
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band might be too specific
The Zombies would at least be another step toward finishing up the British Invasion
Cat Stevens is a good singer-songwriter I'm sure, but where's Gordon Lightfoot?
Yes is one of the best prog examples ever
Linda Ronstadt I know little about

Posted by Lucario on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 21:08pm


@Joe: don't forget that they always induct at least one classic rock musician.

Posted by Lucario on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 21:10pm


Also missing are The Monkees, The Big Bopper, and The Belmonts.

Posted by Lucario on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 21:11pm


astrodog is a troll through and through

yes Ronstadt will get inducted and yes she sold more than 100 millions albums...goodgle it. The end.

And yes keep defending your god Olivia Newton John..hate to tell you this but that chick is never getting a inducted. Sorry to tell you this. Shes as relevant as you at this point in her career. Ronstadt has more credibility than all those people you named and thats why shes nominated. And her peers nominated her as well. With that being said you clearly know nothing about her artistry or catalog to back anything up you say.

I seen you post other comments on the website in regards of Ronstadt and its like youre obsessed that Olivia Newton John got looked over for Ronstadt. So keep playing your Xanadu album over and over and pray to god Ms Newton John gets nominated at least once.

Let me repeat this one last time: Ronstadt has received 27 nominations and won 12 of those Grammys. Meanwhile your hero Olivia Newton-John has only won 4 Grammys and the Carpenters has won 3 Grammys...so yeah, thank you wikipedia, i never thought I would have to go on Olivia Newton-John's wikipedia's page for research.

And as far as your claim that she didn't write any of her song, well anyone with internet access can easily look up many artist who are in the Rock and Hall Fame didn't write their own material. Elvis Presley anyone? Its common knowledge he didn't write any of his songs. He just had a great voice. This is the same reason Whitney Houston will get inducted when she finally gets the nomination she deserves.

astroboy thanks for playing. And its fun getting you worked up over big fat ROnstadt. :)

Posted by daftjustice on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 21:50pm


oh and I wanted to add that Linda Ronstadt had 2 albums nominated for album of the year at the Grammys. Ok Im done.

Posted by daftjustice on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 22:00pm


Astrodog, although I am not prone to continue a trend that fellow posters are involved with: the fact of the matter remains. There are now 5 virtual locks for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to be inducted by December.


Peter Gabriel
Nirvana
N.W.A.
Chic
Linda Ronstadt

These legendary artists listed above are going to be inducted and there is not a damn thing any detractor can do about it. A nomination for Linda Ronstadt was way overdue. Now that it has come, an induction will arrive shortly. And it will be deservingly so.

Now, with respect to Olivia Newton-John; I will have you know I did vote for her in our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2028. Olivia Newton-John only received 3 votes, not enough for an induction. Indeed, due to a noted backlog of deserving artists, I am not certain that she will be on my ballot for 2029 next week. Do not be surprised if Olivia Newton-John is not on my ballot, is what I am saying. I would ask of you, astrodog, to seriously consider joining us next week when we commence own voting for our Crown Jewel of the website. You involvement will certainly benefit all involved.

She used to yield like flesh, now it's all muscle (name the lyric!:),

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Wednesday, 10.16.13 @ 22:24pm


@daftjustice-The point here is to express opinions. Ronstadt's fans are the most defensive and get themselves into a tizzy very easily and are therefore fun to argue with. But that aside, I just find something unseemly about the way her nomination has been pushed at the expense of other far more deserving artists. The most vocal whiners have been Ronstadt fans and yet they have never come close to explaining why she deserves a nomination. Having an honest opinion is not trolling. On the other hand, exaggerating an artist's accomplishments to compensate for a truly bland career is closer to the mark.

Inflating how many albums a person sold is standard. The real numbers rarely add up. Google it? You mean wikipedia?

Your personal opinion aside, Ronstadt was imho a mediocre artist. She was middle of the road, non-threatening, uncreative and harmless and she sold some records singing other people's songs. Her legacy is pretty slight. Oh and she won some Grammy's doing that. On that subject, it certainly helped to be harmless and completely conventional. I would say that winning a Grammy back then is a career demerit. But it doesn't really change anything. So they awarded Grammys to an uncreative singer of other people's songs. Congratulations.

You mention Whitney Houston but she had 11 No. 1 songs and sold a lot more albums. People are trying to justify Ronstadt based on album sales. But citing Whitney Houston isn't helping. The point is that Ronstadt's sales just weren't great enough (the usual inflation aside) to overcome her shortcomings. Many other artists are far more deserving. She doesn't have a Rumours or a Tapestry or an Appetite for Destruction in her portfolio. (I never liked GNR, but when you sell that many albums it doesn't matter what I think.)

You actually are comparing Ronstadt to Elvis? Do I need to respond? Elvis was a cultural phenomenon at the dawn of rock and roll. Ronstadt was a reasonably successful singer in the 70s. Maybe you can compare Ronstadt to the Beatles next.

Anyway, I just find it fascinating that people have pushed so loudly for the nomination of an artist who seems objectively so unqualified. No one is able to explain it, and the exaggerations keep coming. Other artists are a lot more deserving. Is Ronstadt the least deserving artist ever nominated? Probably not. But you can make the case.

But chances are she will be inducted. And she will have her fans. But just think what could have been if she actually took a risk, pushed some boundaries and created a legitimate legacy. Then as others have admitted she would not be lagging behind the very contemporaries she once outsold.

Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 03:30am


My ranking (first time, so if I'm missing anything, please feel free to tell me):

-Minimum 5-
1. Nirvana (When pretty much full consensus is that this band is a first ballot inductee, it just pretty much ought to happen.)

2. Deep Purple (I get the feeling Rush being on the ballot last year was the one thing that hurt them come voting time. Despite being in a pretty big list this year, I think the momentum will carry them into the Hall.)

3. Peter Gabriel (The Genesis induction a few years ago may have helped his stock enough to pull him in. Getting on the ballot may be the thing he needed.)

4. Hall and Oates (One of the biggest duos in rock history and clearly one of, if not the, best selling duo. I knee-jerk towards them for much that reason. Plus, they may have a bit more lean that Kiss in that they didn't have fully active opposition.)

5. N.W.A. (Personally not a big rap aficionado, but like with Deep Purple/Rush above, Public Enemy may have been the wall that hurt N.W.A.'s chances last year, so this may be the time, especially with the only other rapper on the nominees being LL Cool J, who doesn't have as much staying power as they did for music. Nirvana being on the ballot may also help.)

-6 to 8 Possible-

6. Linda Ronstadt (Call me crazy, but when I heard the news of her Parkinson's, one thought that came to my mind was that given that only recently the Hall inducted Heart (who was in the news) and finally gave Donna Summers induction (after her death), that bit of news may result in her getting in.)

7. Link Wray (I'm thinking that now that Albert King got in the fair way, it's possibly time for Link Wray to get in, but given the numbers, it's slightly dubious.)

8. Kiss (I've toiled between Kiss and Yes for this last place, but I think Kiss getting their second ballot spot this year may help them in. That being said, it may be possible Yes would take it from them.)

-Possible wild cards, but not in my tops-

9. Yes (see above)

10. The Replacements (If this was any other year, I'd say yes, but I have a feeling that the first time on Nirvana will hurt them just like Rush did to Deep Purple and Public Enemy did to N.W.A.)

11. Chic (On one hand, the number of nominations gives cause for consideration, but on the other hand, they're in a ballot with influential grunge, proto-grunge, rap, prog rock, hard rock, and early influence. This is not a good year for them.)

12. The Zombies (I would SO love them to get in, but I have a feeling Procol Harum's failed nomination last year foretells some troubles for them this year, because Procol Harum had a somewhat easier ballot while the Zombies have a much harder one. They'll get in, just likely not this year.)

13. The Meters (Another running nominee who I feel really isn't going to fare well this year. They may well become the new Chic after Chic themselves get inducted.

-I seriously doubt it-
14. Cat Stevens (It's just not his year, sadly. I'd say next year would be better for him.)

15. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band (I really never heard of them until they got nominated last year, but I'm not optimistic of them getting in this year if they couldn't get it the previous year.)

16. LL Cool J (Being in a ballot that includes N.W.A. is going to hurt him. It's possible that N.W.A.'s image may get him one or two votes, but not enough to upset that balance. This being said, however, I do think he'll get in next year, where A) there's no new major rapper in the category, and B) the most likely new nominee in the category would be De La Soul.)

Once again, if anybody has any constructive criticism on this, please feel free to comment.

Posted by SotN on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 05:18am


Don't get the people saying N.W.A. are undeserving, they're probably among the most important rap acts of the 80's behind Public Enemy and Run D.M.C. Certainly more so than LL Cool J.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 06:41am


Deep Purple's first three albums were released between 1968-1969. Nick Simper was the bassist on all three albums. He is not mentioned in the bio intro for Deep Purple on the Rock Hall site. I hope this does not mean he is not being considered for induction. He was interviewed for the Deep Purple Behind the Music episode.

Only Steve Howe, Rick Wakeman, Chris Squire, Bill Bruford, Alan White, Jon Anderson mentioned in the intro to the Rock Hall bio for Yes. That doesn't mean those will be the only inductees. Tony Kaye is not mentioned in the Rock Hall bio so far.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 09:03am


Yes

01. Jon Anderson (1968-2004: vocals, guitar)
02. Peter Banks (1968-1970: guitar)
03. Chris Squire (1968-Present: bass)
04. Tony Kaye (1968-1971; 1982-1994: keyboards)
05. Bill Bruford (1968-1972; 1990-1992: drums, King Crimson)
06. Steve Howe (1970-1981; 1990-1992; 1995-2004; 2008-Present: guitar; Asia, GTR)
07. Rick Wakeman (1971-1974; 1976-1980; 1990-1992; 1995-1997; 2002-2004: keyboards)
08. Alan White (1972-1981; 1982-2004; 2008–present: drums)
09. Patrick Moraz (1974-1976: keyboards, The Moody Blues)
10. Trevor Rabin (1982-1994: guitar, keyboards)

Deep Purple

01. Rod Evans (1968-1969: vocals)
02. Nick Simper (1968-1969: bass guitar)
03. Ritchie Blackmore (1968-1975; 1984-1993: guitar; Rainbow)
04. Jon Lord (1968-1976; 1984-2002: organ, keyboards; Whitesnake)
05. Ian Paice (1968-1976; 1984-Present: drums, percussion; Whitesnake)
06. Ian Gillan (1969-1973; 1984-1989; 1992-Present: vocals, harmonica, percussion; Episode Six)
07. Roger Glover (1969-1973; 1984-Present: bass guitar; Episode Six, Rainbow)
08. David Coverdale (1973-1976: vocals; Whitesnake)
09. Glenn Hughes (1973-1976: bass guitar)
10. Steve Morse (1994-Present: guitars, vocals; Dixie Dregs, Kansas)

KISS

01. Paul Stanley (1973-Present; rhythm guitar, vocals)
02. Gene Simmons (1973-Present; bass guitar, vocals)
03. Ace Frehley (1973–1982, 1996–2002; lead guitar, vocals)
04. Peter Criss (1973–1980, 1996–2004; drums, percussion, vocals)
05. Eric Carr (1980–1991; drums, percussion, backing vocals)
06. Vinnie Vincent (1982–1984; lead guitar, backing vocals)
07. Bruce Kulick (1984–1996; lead guitar, backing vocals)
08. Eric Singer (1991–1996, 2001–Present; drums, percussion, backing vocals)
09. Tommy Thayer (2002–Present; lead guitar, backing vocals)

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 09:14am



http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/nirvana-leads-nominees-hall-fame-article-1.1486891

Nirvana leads 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction nominees, followed by KISS, Hall & Oates, Linda Ronstadt

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 09:23am


http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2014.html

Sampson of Digital Dream Door has posted his critique of the 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 11:19am


How can you do this percentual? How can Nirvana get 84% and Deep Purple 65%?

Posted by Domingo on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 12:30pm


my inductee predictions:

Nirvana
Chic
Deep Purple
Linda Ronstadt
Yes
Hall and Oates
N.W.A
7 will be going in this year too strong of a ballot to not induct 7 so that is what I would think they will do even though it probably will be 6 (from the hall's standpoint) I think it will be 7

Posted by chris on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 12:43pm


My personal five would be:

Nirvana
N.W.A
KISS
Deep Purple
Chic

From this point forward, I think we'll see at least one rap act a year - we are now reaching the late 80s for nomination year and the deserving rap acts will quickly start to pile up, especially if only one is inducted each year.

Some people think rap doesn't belong in the Rock Hall, but rap is the natural extension (and evolved out of) rock, in the same way that rock came from blues and country. To those with interest in earlier rock, watching rap acts get in over your favorites may be tough, but every rap group that has been inducted has 100% deserved it.

In the course of rock, groups like Deep Purple are heavy hitters - no doubt. But in the pantheon of rock legends, I'm sure they would rank below the Beatles or the Stones. Public Enemy, in the pantheon of rap, are close to Beatles' level - gigantic influences who pushed the genre forward and produced stellar music.

On the Ronstadt front, the fact is I don't know much about her music, however, I wanted to comment on one thing - quoting Grammys and album sales are a surefire way to get yourself in quicksand real fast. Many times, albums sales are an indicator of talent and quality, but many times, it's not.

If you start arguing "X artist deserves to get in because they sold Y number of albums", you've opened that door to let artist get in solely because they've sold more albums than someone else. Rihanna has sold 50 million more albums than the Beach Boys. Is she more deserving of an induction than them? Of course not!

Posted by Taylor on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 12:55pm


"How can you do this percentual? How can Nirvana get 84% and Deep Purple 65%?"

The numbers represent the percentage of ballots that each artist appears on. For example, if there are 100 ballots, Nirvana's name appeared on 84 of them.

Each ballot has five names.

Posted by FRL on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 13:32pm


astrodog,

Please keep trolling and keep voting for Olivia Newton John in the imaginary ballot you wish existed.

Ronstadt didn't win some Grammys she won a shit load of Grammys. So you can undermine someone accomplishments all you want. But the truth of the matter is that she still getting in based on talent alone. You clearly know nothing about her work to not know what albums are her strongest...the funny thing is that the rock and roll hall of fame just listed her four strongest albums for you on their website in her mini bio. Learn to READ you 3rd rate inbred.

Now keep trolling troll. And keep getting worked over that big fat Ronstadt is getting in and your hero Olivia Newton John is not. Its fun reading how upset and worked over youre getting over her induction.

Posted by daftjustice on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 16:44pm


And may I add:

What country fanatic or country fan has never heard of her album Heart Like A Wheel? Or the songs "When Would I be Loved" or "You're No Good"? Seriously you have no credibility when you starting listing Olivia Newton John and the Carpenters as your heroes. Whats next... Cher?

That one album alone has been listed among the greatest albums of all time by Rolling Stone magazine in their endless lists of greatest albums of all time. And Heart Like a Wheel was nominated for a Grammy for album of the year in 1974...you're argument is beyond laughable. Thanks for playing.

Posted by daftjustice on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 16:52pm


It's always fun to see people who don't know what the word means calling other people trolls.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 17:04pm


also having listened to both, Heart Like A Wheel's got NOTHIN' on Close To You.

Which is also on the RS top 500 albums list (though why you would put any worth in that I don't know)

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 17:16pm


@daftjustice-Oh look. An very angry Linda Ronstadt. Such a bitter fanbase. Probably due to extreme loneliness and mockery from friends. Hang in there. The world has essentially forgotten about her, but her day will come. Right about the time of the second coming I suspect.

To repeat for your benefit, I'm not a fan of ONJ, but she was a contemporary and is a decent comparison. (Similar image and tone, no songwriting, etc.) It is certainly worth pointing out that she had bigger hits, was on bigger albums (Grease) and was more prominent in popular culture. ONJ had five No. 1 hits to Ronstadt's one, and yet people keep insisting that Ronstadt was such a big commercial artist, the Elvis of her time, that not supporting her nomination is a crime against music. But I said before that I wouldn't support ONJ's nomination either, although she probably merits it more than Ronstadt.

That Ronstadt won Grammys is fine but it doesn't change how she won them, singing conventional cover songs in the prescribed middle of the road fashion. It was a reflection of the state of music more than anything else. Heart Like a Wheel is a covers album. It sold well and left no impact at all.

I just read a review of the nominees that was similar to how I see it. Point is, no matter how much you bleat and blather Ronstadt remains an uninspiring cover's artist who did nothing to advance music, which is why people no longer care. You can put down the Carpenter's all you want but at least people still listen to them and know their music.

Anyway, your insults are lame and amateurish, but knock yourself out. Because when it is all said and done you are still a Linda Ronstadt fan when virtually everyone else stop caring long ago. Third rate is a apt term, but only for your musical hero. Sorry.

Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 17:53pm


Here are my picks:
Nirvana
Deep Purple
Yes
Hall&Oates
Peter Gabriel

Otherwise the only group I don't care for on this list is NWA.

Posted by Andrew on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 20:23pm


Who I wanted inducted next year:

Nirvana
Chic
Linda Ronstadt
Kiss
Yes
Deep Purple
Link Wray/Peter Gabriel

Who I think the voters will pick:

Nirvana
Chic
Link Wray
Deep Purple
The Zombies
Linda Ronstadt
N.W.A.

I wish that they induct 7 instead of 6. Either way, it's still a good class.

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 20:45pm


You know, I just realize that the 2014 ballot is the the same as 2010's. Here's some points on why it's similar:

*Both have KISS as nominees
*Both have an 8-time nominee that will most likey be inducted
*Both have acts that are somewhat connected to Peter Gabriel
*Both will return to New York for the induction ceremony
*Both increase their ballot slots

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 22:04pm


I also forgot that LL Cool J was nominated for the first time (the last time he was nominated was in 2011).

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 22:12pm


Tremendous article (and fun comments as well):

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/17/keep_the_replacements_out_of_the_rock_hall/

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 03:51am


I like the Replacements but I also like X and Tuxedomoon and Gun Club. Doesn't mean I think they deserves to be nominated. Once they start peddling vague notions like "influence" or "excellence" too glibly it very easily degenerates into personal favoritism.

Also, a nomination of The Replacements signals another yet lame attempt to nominate an 80s band while actually avoiding the decade. It reflects the myth of "authentic" rock that the Hall voters love while giving bands like the Cure, Depeche Mode, New Order, The Smiths, even the B-52s the shaft. The nominating committee would rather nominate the Replacements, an alleged example of its narrow authenticity myth, but also a band that didn't really do anything to justify a nomination, than confront its own prejudices.

Posted by astrodog on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 05:24am


Overall, I thought that it was a very disappointing list. There were however a few bright spots:

Yes- I had originally chosen them as a 2015 inductee, now it looks like they will get in one year earlier. I wonder who will induct them? I fully expect Geddy, Alex & Neil to return.

Peter Gabriel- one of my favorite solo artists. "New Blood" is a fantastic recording. His third untitled album is a masterpiece, as are "Security" and "So."


Hall And Oates- Daryl Hall has done a lot for exposing new
and older artists with his show: 'Live From Daryl's House." Plus, Hall And Oates were quite prolific songwriters throughout the course of their long and successful career.

Deep Purple- Okay, this is their second try. I can see that their stiffest competition is Kiss. It's a lucky thing that they were originally a "prog rock" band. Who will induct them? Lars Ulrich of Metallica perhaps?

The Zombies- I am only familiar with "Time Of The Season." I would have definitely chosen The Moody Blues, instead.

Now for the others:

Chic- their eighth nomination, really? I think that Nile Rodgers is a brilliant producer, but wouldn't the chances of Chic being inducted have been improved through the niomination of Duran Duran, instead? The way that I see it, Duran Duran's induction would have opened the doors for Roxy Music and Chic, plus it would have challenged many of those other groups, especially Kiss.

Linda Ronstadt- Did she write her own songs? No! My major objection to Linda Ronstadt isn't that she wasn't a great singer; that's quite obvious. I think that Carly Simon would have been a much better choice. But this is their hall, not mine and they are entitled to nominate and induct whomsoever that they wish to.

The Meters? I am not familiar with The Meters, but if they had influenced Talking Heads, then I cannot object to their nomination.

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band. No objection either, but wouldn't the late great Stevie Ray Vaughan have made a better choice?

KISS? I have never owned a single album by them. Incidentally, I have 40 albums by Yes and 1 by Deep Purple, but I digress. KISS is worthy of being inducted as showmen and marketing genii. As far as being performers, well I will leave that up to others for debate.

N.W.A.? I have no opinion about them, whatsoever. I do however think that Ice-T would have been a better choice.

L.L. Cool J? Please refer to my previous remark.

Cat Stevens? I would have preferred the late Jim Croce instead. I am not objecting to Cat Stevens nomination on the grounds that he isn't/wasn't a great songwriter. No, my objection stems from his support of the fatw, by the late Ayatollah Khomeini, on Salman Rushdie. I will not, under any circumstances whatsoever, advocate, nor support the induction of artists who advocate violence, or hatred against women, individuals based upon sexual orientation, or support a death warrant on an opposing party.

Link Wray? I am not familiar with him, but I have no objection to his nomination.

As I had said before, I much preferred my earlier nominees
list.

Whom do I think will get in?

Nirvana
Deep Purple
Yes
Hall & Oates
N.W.A.
Linda Ronstadt
Peter Gabriel

Please note: Hall & Oates, Yes and Deep Purple were on my earlier list of 2015 nominees. I may have to alter my older 2014 list and retitle it as 2015 nominees, instead.

Oh yes, one more thing: I am not familiar with The Replacements.

As I had said before, I still do support the inductions of Duran Duran, The Moody Blues, E. L. O., Sade, Foreigner, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Doobie Brothers and others, over most of the artists on this list, with the possible exceptions of Yes and Peter Gabriel. Now, it's back to the proverbial drawing board, or so to speak.

Congratulations to those individuals who had the uncanny ability to pick more than 5 nominees. Well done.










Deep Purple-

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 06:36am


Astrodog,

Obviously Ronstadt isn't to your taste, I think you have made that abundantly clear. However picking on The Replacements and using them as an example of a a band that shows a narrow view of this years nominations is a bit far fetched. There isn't a candidate in this group that is lacking in credentials. The Replacements are a integral part of the scene in the 80s, and helped to shape what the alternative scene would be. Just like Sonic Youth, The Pixies, Husker Du, and R.E.M. I like how you call the Hall's view narrow, then pick the one nominee that represents a style that the Hall is overlooking.

Back to Ronstadt for a minute because you are mistaken on a number of things. Most importantly popularity and sales (which actually seem to matter to you).

A number 1 song is not the end all be all of chart achievements. Most artists are recognized for their overall hits on the Hot 100 chart, and more specifically those that are Top 40. The same goes for the Billboard 200 with Albums it is total chart entries that gauge an artists popularity not how many times they reached the summit. As for sales, the RIAA does not vastly inflate numbers. For everything up to 1991 it is about total Shipments for the stuff afterwards it is actual total scanned. Now not all numbers are accurately reported by RIAA but that is almost always in an artists favor (total sales are under the true number)for nearly everyone. I can only name a few examples of exaggerated sales figures. Globally however it gets more iffy, there was little record keeping done well in most countries outside of the USA,UK,Canada,Japan, and Australia. So if you are going to look at those numbers a grain of salt does have to be taken. However The Big 6 nations give you a pretty accurate view of what an artists total sales are. This makes popularity and success a few easily measured criteria.

So let's look at the group of ladies you keep parading out and put them in a battle with Linda Ronstadt. And just the facts here, not the assumptions being made. I will be looking at Carole King, Carly Simon, The Carpenters, and Olivia Newton-John (all of your picks). For a point of reference I will throw in the biggest female star of the 70s Barbra Streisand. Looking at each section of popularity:

- Total Albums Sold (US)
1) Barbra Streisand - 71.5 Million
2) Linda Ronstadt - 30 Million
3) The Carpenters - 24.5 Million
4) Carole King - 14.5 Million
5) Olivia Newton John - 14 Million
6) Carly Simon - 8.5 Million

- Total Albums Sold 1970s:
1) Barbra Streisand - 22 Million
2) The Carpenters - 20.5 Million
3) Linda Ronstadt - 17 Million
4) Carole King - 14.5 Million
5) Olivia Newton John - 6 Million
6) Carly Simon - 6 Million

- Total Charted Albums
1) Barbra Streisand - 53 (28 Top 10, 8 at #1)
2) Linda Ronstadt - 35 (10 Top 10, 3 at #1)
3) Carly Simon - 25 (7 Top 10, 1 at #1)
4) Carole King - 21 (7 Top 10, 3 at #1)
5) Olivia Newton John - 21 (5 Top 10, 2 at #1)
6) The Carpenters - 18 (5 Top 10, 1 at #1)

- Total Charted Albums 1970s
1) Barbra Streisand - 18 (7 Top 10, 3 at #1)
2) Linda Ronstadt - 12 (6 Top 10, 3 at #1)
3) Carole King - 12 - (6 Top 10, 3 at #1)
4) The Carpenters - 10 (5 Top 10, 1 at #1)
5) Olivia Newton John - 10 (3 Top 10, 2 at #1)
6) Carly Simon - 9 (7 Top 10, 1 at #1)

- Total Certified Singles Sold (US)
1) Barbra Streisand - 6.5 Million
2) Olivia Newton-John - 6.5 Million
3) Linda Ronstadt - 2 Million
4) Carly Simon - 2 Million
5) Carole King - 500,000

- Total Top 40 Charted Singles
1) Olivia Newton John - 27 (15 Top 10, 5 at #1)
2) Barbra Streisand - 21 (12 Top 10, 5 at #1)
3) Linda Ronstadt - 21 (10 Top 10, 1 at #1)
4) The Carpenters - 20 (12 Top 10, 3 at #1)
5) Carole King - 14 (4 Top 10, 1 at #1)
6) Carly Simon - 13 (5 Top 10, 1 at #1)

- Total Top 40 Charted Singles - 1970s
1) The Carpenters - 19 (12 Top 10, 3 at #1)
2) Olivia Newton John - 17 (9 Top 10, 3 at #1)
3) Linda Ronstadt - 12 (6 Top 10, 1 at #1)
4) Carole King - 12 (5 Top 10, 1 at #1)
5) Barbra Streisand - 11 (7 Top 10, 4 at #1)
6) Carly Simon - 10 (5 Top 10, 1 at #1)

So excluding Barbra it looks like Linda's popularity is well on track, and in many examples above that of the women you mention. In total career achievement (which is what the Hall looks at), she beats everyone else in Sales and Albums charted. And holds her own in the Singles department never losing in any category. The 5 female dominated acts are all worthy of induction based on popularity as a criteria, Ronstadt just happens to be up this year.

Onto influence since that seems to be another place you are hitting on. Carole King has that mammoth album Tapestry, which really showed a woman could be as commercially viable as a man. However she isn't the first female songwriter in Rock music (Joni Mitchell's wordplay). Carly Simon followed King through that door she opened. The Carpenters influenced Soft Rock slightly, but Carpenter has been more adored for her vocal styling than any innovation or influence. Olivia was a follower in that regard of her, and not a trendsetter. Ronstadt was a stylist, you keep calling her a cover artist which isn't true. If she is a cover artist then so is Billie Holiday, Elvis Presley, Aretha Franklin, and Janis Joplin. Writing is only a component of music, not the end all be all. Ronstadt's influence comes from a vocal aspect. Ask Bonnie Raitt, Emmylou Harris, and anyone involved remotely in Country-Rock they will point right to Ronstadt as a pioneer and one of the greatest promoters of the style. Her popularity helped shove that music into the mainstream. She influenced the two women I just mentioned and in turn was influenced by them. Not to mention quite a few pure Country acts followed her Pop oriented path right up the charts in the 1980s.

As Jackson Browne said "You would hope Linda Ronstadt would do one of your songs". That is a sentiment shared by many artists (The Eagles, Dolly Parton, Warren Zevon) . Her selection was always the finest material, and she delivered it with a humility you don't really see all that often. It came from a deep knowledge of music. That kind of dedication, respect, and talent deserves to be honored by a nomination. And an eventual induction.

Posted by Chris F. on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 08:42am


Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Who Will Vote For The Zombies

The Blue Caps, The Comets, The Crickets, The Famous Flames, The Midnighters, The Miracles, Randy Newman, Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, Darlene Love, The Small Faces/Faces, The Hollies, Little Anthony and the Imperials, The Dave Clark Five, The Ventures, John Mellencamp, The Ronettes, The O'Jays, The Dells, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, The Rolling Stones, The Beach Boys, The Grateful Dead, Crosby, Still and Nash, Barry Gibb, Bill Medley

Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Who Will Vote For Link Wray

Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, The Rolling Stones, The Beach Boys, The Ventures, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Metallica, Black Sabbath, Van Halen, R.E.M, U2, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Blondie, ZZ Top, Ramones, Aerosmith, Talking Heads, Bonnie Raitt, Bruce Springsteen, The Clash, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Neil Young, The Grateful Dead, The Police

Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Who Will Vote For Cat Stevens

Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, Jackson Browne, Randy Newman, Tom Waitts, Elton John, Billy Joel, Donovan, Neil Diamond, John Mellencamp, Patti Smith, Paul Simon, Art Garfunkel, James Taylor, Steely Dan, Bruce Springsteen, Barry Gibb, Crosby, Stills and Nash, The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Heart

Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Who Will Vote For Linda Ronstadt

Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, Jackson Browne, Randy Newman, Tom Waitts, Elton John, Billy Joel, Donovan, Neil Diamond, John Mellencamp, Patti Smith, Paul Simon, Art Garfunkel, James Taylor, Steely Dan, Bruce Springsteen, Crosby, Stills and Nash, The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Heart, Bonnie Raitt, Barry Gibb

Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Who Will Vote For Peter Gabriel

Genesis, Pink Floyd, Jackson Browne, Randy Newman, Tom Waitts, Elton John, Billy Joel, Donovan, Neil Diamond, John Mellencamp, Patti Smith, Paul Simon, Art Garfunkel, James Taylor, Steely Dan, Bruce Springsteen, Crosby, Stills and Nash, The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Heart, The Police

Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Who Will Vote For Deep Purple

The Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Rush, Heart, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Metallica, Alice Cooper, Genesis, The Stooges, The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, The Pretenders, The Police, Blondie, The Clash, Ramones, Van Halen, U2, R.E.M, Traffic, ZZ Top, AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, Queen, Lynyrd Skynyrd

Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Who Will Vote For Yes

The Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Rush, Heart, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Metallica, Alice Cooper, Genesis, The Stooges, The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, The Pretenders, The Police, Blondie, The Clash, Ramones, Van Halen, U2, R.E.M, Traffic, ZZ Top, AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, Queen, Lynyrd Skynyrd

Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Who Will Vote For KISS

Queen, U2, R.E.M, Blondie, Van Halen, Ozzy Osbourne, Alice Cooper, Metallica, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Guns N' Roses, Rush, Heart, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, RUN-DMC

Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Who Will Vote For Hall & Oates

The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, The Pretenders, The Police, Blondie, U2, R.E.M, Billy Joel, John Mellencamp, Queen, Beastie Boys, RUN-DMC, Heart, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Barry Gibb, Randy Newman, Public Enemy

Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Who Will Vote For Chic

Barry Gibb, Queen, ABBA, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, RUN-DMC, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Blondie, R.E.M, Prince, The Jackson Five, Earth, Wind & Fire, Parliament-Funkadelic

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 09:40am


Roy,

You may need to amend your list. The members of Rush will also vote for Peter Gabriel, as well.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 10:00am


Roy, that may be the most ridiculous post I have seen from you.

Posted by dezmond on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 10:39am


Yeah Enig, I see how a new wave act would open the doors for Chic, a disco act.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 12:43pm


In terms of predictions, I think that Nirvana is obviously a 100% lock, N.W.A. is very likely, the stars seem to have aligned for Chic with basically no genre-adjacent competition, and Linda Ronstadt seems highly likely mostly because of her gender.

For the remaining slots, it could go any number of ways:

I feel like at least one of Deep Purple, KISS or Yes has to get in. I would be fine with any of the three, and thrilled with 2 of the 3.

Based on recent patterns, I would think that Link Wray (early guitar hero), The Zombies (British Invasion band) and Cat Stevens (a singer-songwriter) would have great chances, but the ballot is pretty stacked this year.

The Meters may get in if they get a Wanda Jackson-style induction as sidemen, but I think that is their only chance.

I don't like the chances of Peter Gabriel or Hall & Oates. They are both deserving, but they seem like they'll get lost among the other names that have waited longer.

LL Cool J seems like he'll get lost in N.W.A.'s shadow, but stands a good chance next year. Paul Butterfield Blues Band may get in eventually but they seem like the least qualified band here. They are really the only band that I would be disappointed to see make it this year unless there were a lot of inductees.

The Replacements are deserving at some point, but their nomination at this point seem out of place with other more important alternative bands not yet inducted. Inducting them would be like inducting Jethro Tull before any other prog-rock bands.

My prediction would be:

Nirvana
N.W.A.
Chic
Linda Ronstadt
Deep Purple
Link Wray
Cat Stevens

Posted by BSLO on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 13:00pm


Chris F.-Album sales are always a very tricky business. It remains a matter of guess work. No one source works and all are vastly imprecise. You knew that before you posted. For example, do you honestly think it is the slightest bit credible that that The Carpenters sold only four million albums since the 1970s and 20 million before? Of course Ronstadt did continue working after that while the Carpenters could not

We are repeatedly told that Ronstadt was such a commercial juggernaut that she simply must be inducted. Yet, as a testament to how uncertain and deceptive these claims tend to be, we look at her discography, her albums certifications, her chart positions, and it is not showing it. One number 1 song. No major multi-platinum albums. Why is it that every other purely mainstream artist can point to major hits and Ronstadt cannot? It is not like her music was that challenging or in a non-commercial subgenre. Deliberately the opposite. And yet you cannot find the hits. Whitney Houston had 11 No. 1 songs. ONJ had five as I noted. Donna Summer 4. The Carpenters 3. Streisand had four. The inflated claims are just not adding up. One would assume that an artist whose ticket is supposedly her commercial impact would have had more of a...well, commercial impact.

Also lack of hits for a such a purely commercial artist reflect a lack of substance. Her music was harmless, she could sing, and that's about it. The absence of hits means precisely that people no longer play your music. It's why she has been left in popular culture's wake. Ronstadt arguably sold a lot of albums that didn't endure. Like Celine Dion maybe.

Glad you compare her to Billie Holiday, Elvis Presley, Aretha Franklin, and Janis Joplin but the historical context is completely lacking as you know. (Elvis again?). That's why these comparisons are so desperate. And actually Holiday, Franklin, and Joplin (eg, Mercedes Benz) had writing credits.

The Country-Rock claims are demonstrably false and you know it. It has bee shown over and over.

...

Sorry but The Replacements have no place being nominated. One of their biggest fans just wrote a whole article saying just that. Shaped the alternative scene? Please. A band like Big Star has a much better claim at least.

Posted by astrodog on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 13:00pm


Astrodog,

I disagree with the tricky part on figuring sales. It is pretty easy to navigate, clearly defined, and where the mishaps happen are noted and all figures like I said are undervalued for the artist. Meaning that everybody sold a bit more, and a few sold quite a bit more (They tend to be R&B acts), but that is a whole discussion onto itself.

"For example, do you honestly think it is the slightest bit credible that that The Carpenters sold only four million albums since the 1970s and 20 million before? O"

No, I was saying that the albums released in the 1970s have went on to sell those amounts. The Carpenters sold far less than that in the 70s, as did Ronstadt, King, and everybody. The Beatles have had nearly half of their sales SINCE 1990. People tend to think that if an album sold 10 million copies it happened in a year, most take years and some decades to get to that level. "Tapestry" for example wasn't a 10 million seller until 1995, nearly a quarter of a century went by. I was pointing to the total sales of all of their 70s albums from the release date, until the most recent certification. For all of them that has been in the last 10-15 years.

Ronstadt has three core albums that are considered artistic triumphs. "Heart Like A Wheel", "Simple Dreams", and "Living In The USA" all three are multi platinum, and acclaimed. All three were big sellers at the time. She also has three large notable hits. "That'll Be The Day", "Different Drum", "When Will I Be Loved", and "Blue Bayou". She isn't lacking in the notable album or song department.

"Glad you compare her to Billie Holiday, Elvis Presley, Aretha Franklin, and Janis Joplin but the historical context is completely lacking as you know. (Elvis again?). That's why these comparisons are so desperate."

I really don't understand what you mean by desperate. A cover artist is someone who goes around their local area and do covers, or are a tribute band. Generally popular recording acts known for taking a song and changing it, when their key talent is vocals, are known as stylists. All of the previously mentioned singers did that. It isn't to say Ronstadt is on their level, just in the same concept of artist. I could easily use Olivia Newton John, Bonnie Raitt, and Luther Vandross as examples of artists.

" And yet you cannot find the hits. Whitney Houston had 11 No. 1 songs. ONJ had five as I noted. Donna Summer 4. The Carpenters 3. Streisand had four."

Again #1s have and will never be the end all be all of judging popularity. You can not disregard anything in the top 100, much less something that bounced around the Top 40 for more than two weeks. By your rule Rihanna is more important than all the women you listed. While great in her own way it just isn't true. And the greatest solo recording artist of all time would then be Mariah Carey (plus she wrote 17 of those hits). While fantastic, also not true. Ronstadt has a slew of Top 40 hits. You don't have to like her, or accept that she was popular even. Still, the truth is the truth. And how can you use Houston as an example when her largest hit was a cover, and nearly everything she did was written by someone else.

"The Country-Rock claims are demonstrably false and you know it. It has bee shown over and over. "

This isn't even a counterpoint. It isn't false, ask anyone involved in the movement and they will point to the Stone Poneys and Ronstadt as a front and center act in the movement. If you could find a musician involved in Country-Rock who thought Ronstadt was trash, you might have a point.

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As for the Replacements. They deserve their nomination. The Hall lacks in the Alternative Scene. And if you can't see how they shaped the Alternative scene, I doubt I can offer anything that will change your mind. Pretty soon you are going to tell me the Velvet Underground should have never been inducted. Or that the Pixies should be passed over for Devo because they had a #14 hit in 1980. It takes many bands years of work to shape a genre.

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You seem to think that induction equates all these artists as the same level of legend. It doesn't. It merely looks at their career and goes "This was important". In that regard, and for the first time in a while every nominee this year can actually have that said about them to a large degree. I really have no idea where the beef with Ronstadt or the Replacements comes from. I mean it has taken years for them to even be brought up by the Hall. It isn't like this is some premature surprising concept that two highly acclaimed acts made it onto the ballot.

Posted by Chris F, on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 13:42pm


http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2013/10/17/keep-cat-stevens-out-of-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/?singlepage=true

Part of me wants him to have a chance at the HOF, but the other part sees his anti-American stance as means to dismiss him altogether. I'm conflicted.

Posted by danny on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 13:44pm


danny,

I have wondered for years if that is what has been keeping Cat Stevens out. The bigger question is can the art be judged separately from the artist? Does a person's viewpoint matter so much that it can overshadow their artistic legacy? I think he has a hard enough time getting in this year anyway. He is down near the bottom on the polls I've seen. So that question is probably going to have to wait for a later date.

Posted by Chris F. on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 14:36pm


Chris F.-The Replacements are not going to be inducted and do not deserve to be. They were not the Velvet Underground. They were not much different than a dozen other bands from that era.

As to Ronstadt, she was a purely commercial artist singing a purely commercial genre. A good singer singing commercial music (the most commercial of that era) was going to sell, especially by the mid 70s. But if you are not going to be the slightest bit creative you better sell in extraordinary numbers. Ronstadt didn't. By your own numbers (I'll take your word for it) the Carpenters outsold her during her heydey, and Carol King nearly matched her with one album. Your numbers are actually undermining her claim.

A singer like Celine Dion for example annihilates her by every conceivable measure, especially album sales. Whitney Houston too. Mariah Carey also. Again it is a formula that sells. That doesn't mean you induct Celine Dion either. Now you can argue the Ronstadt was "rock", but in the most mild sense of the word. She didn't threaten anyone.

Hits are not the end all, but they are important, especially for a completely mainstream artist whose commercial impact is her claim to fame. You have to admit that the absence of major hits is a significant factor. You cannot just write off that a performer like Houston, for example had 11 No. 1s and Ronstadt one. Something was lacking. (Probably imagination-Blue Bayou? That'll Be the Day? Heatwave?).

I'm sure you can admit the major historical problems comparing her to artists like Joplin, Holiday, Franklin and of course Elvis. It doesn't need much elaboration.

Ronstadt wasn't any form of musical pioneer. The problems are factual (her first album was covering other country rock songs), chronological and historical. Nor did she have enough impact early on to have contributed to the music's viability. There is no getting around it. This assertion keeps getting recycled because her resume needs padding.

I'm sorry but Ronstadt was a thorough mediocrity. She lacked relative talent. She played it as safe as possible. She had no historical importance. And she sold some albums in as unadventurous a manner as you could devise. How exactly are albums that just recycle other artist's songs "artistic triumphs?" Many of those songs had already charted years earlier. It's a contradiction in terms.

By your own admission her legacy is pretty slight nowadays. There is no reason for it to be otherwise. Stop trying so hard to pretend that an artist that was so objectively limited was an all-time great. It's offensive. I cannot stand Ronstadt in direct proportion to the mountain of bs that keeps getting shoved her down our throats when it comes to the R&RHF.

Posted by astrodog on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 15:10pm


"The Replacements are deserving at some point, but their nomination at this point seem out of place with other more important alternative bands not yet inducted. Inducting them would be like inducting Jethro Tull before any other prog-rock bands." - BSLO

This is exactly how I feel. They will be inducted at some point and deserve to be, they were an important and highly influential component of 80s Alternative, but they jumped over so many more important artists in the genre to get to them.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 15:46pm


Astrodog,

The large problem for you here seems to be your dislike for Ronstadt. I point out the flaws in your attacks on her because it is an apparent dislike, and while I think taste is one thing. You are kind of unnecessarily digging in on an artist and twisting the history of her career. Which in itself isn't a thing I usually point out. However you are acting under the guise of doing it objectively. Which isn't really fair. For example I hate Toby Keith. I would loathe seeing him nominated for the Country Music Hall of Fame. But I wouldn't consider it an insane idea if he appeared on a ballot. Ronstadt in my personal opinion is likable, not my favorite artist. Not my favorite female artist, she isn't even my favorite female Country-Rock artist who recorded in 1975. But the credentials are there, written about it music books, documented on the charts, apparent in sales, and on a technical skill level the vocal talent is pretty unbeatable.

Believe me my numbers are right on any lady or lady included act that recorded in the 20th century.

" You have to admit that the absence of major hits is a significant factor"

I would agree, but as I've pointed out Ronstadt had 21 top 40 hits, a million seller in Blue Bayou, and 10 of those hits where in the Top 10, 3 of those sat at #2, and then her lone #1. That is approximately 4 times more than 95% of charting acts (and more than King, Simon, & The Carpenters). So she isn't absent of major hits. She has plenty of major hits. More than most.

As for album sales, and the album charts. She blasts nearly every woman out of the water. If inducted she will have the highest album sales of any female solo act so far included. In fact more total albums sold than any of the other nominees this year.

"I'm sure you can admit the major historical problems comparing her to artists like Joplin, Holiday, Franklin and of course Elvis."

No because I am calling them stylists, and therefore see no historical problem. If I were saying Ronstadt's career compared to Elvis in magnitude, then yes that would be an error. I am saying like Elvis she sang other peoples songs, to a greater degree of popularity, and in a way that was uniquely hers. Not saying she was, is, or could be Elvis.

"She lacked relative talent."
I am not sure what you mean by this. But talent wise, there are few vocalists (and none in her peer group) that are on her vocal level. A wide expressive range (that matches Houston octave for octave, though falls short of Carey, and leaves King, Simon, and Newton-John in the dust), a robust power in her upper register seen in few female singers, a keen understanding of harmony, and a phenomenal sense of vocal arrangements are all considered talent when it comes to the voice as an instrument. Add to that a naturally pleasant tone, near perfect pitch as far as I can tell, and an unrivaled versatility in style and you have one of the great voices of the 70s (and arguably of the 20th century). That is talent.

"her first album was covering other country rock songs)"

No, her first album was with the Stone Poneys. Incorporating a Rock sense into a Folk-Country blend. Mostly original songs composed by the band. That turned into Country-Rock by the third release in 1968, and by her solo debut in 1969 she was squarely in the Country-Rock style covering Dylan, and reinvigorating some classic Country tunes. No one said she was the originator, just merely an important part of popularizing and to her credit defining the style.

Posted by Chris F. on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 15:56pm


Diana Ross had SIX #1s after leaving the Supremes. One of which, "Upside Down" was written by Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards of the oft-nominated Chic.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 17:37pm


I need to point out that Madonna has the most sales for a solo female in the Hall. I meant to add it in, but just realized I did not!

Posted by Chris F. on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 21:14pm


Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Who Will Vote For N.W.A and LL Cool J

Madonna, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, RUN-DMC, Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Blondie, R.E.M, Prince, The Jackson Five, Parliament-Funkadelic

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.18.13 @ 23:41pm


Thanks Chris F. for your intelligent posts regarding Linda Ronstadt and your attempts to counter the attacks on her by astrodog. I cold never articulate my thoughts the way you have with such skill and grace. Those comments obviously come from someone who is obsessed with a dislike/hate for Ronstadt and personally I would not waste my energy trying to negotiate because it would be impossible. I commend you, however. I wonder if Astrodog has actually ever attended a Linda Ronstadt performance. I strongly doubt it. I have. I have also attended performances by many of tha artists he compares her to. Diana Ross, Carol King, Whitney Houston etc. Ronstadt's voice was better than all. Better by far than most. Every bit in the league of Houston and there are moments when she soars beyond what even Whitney could do. All due respect to Whitney, God rest her soul. And Ronstadt could never approach the showmanship Whitney could achieve. But the voice. Ahh, never heard one better than Ronstadt. In 1995 I saw her at Radio City Music Hall. There were moments when it seemed as though the power of her voice would blow the roof off. You are right. Her Voice is in a league of its own and probably its full impact was never actually achieved on a recording. Personally, I still listen to and sing along to much of her catalogue. Her radio hits were probably some of my least favorites songs but those albums are filled with lasting gems that never get old for me. Songs like Long, Long Time, Different Drum, I Never Will Marry, Poor Poor Pitiful, Dolphins, Faithless Love, Dark End Of The Street, Love Has No Pride, Desperado, Hobo, Up To My Neck In High Muddy Water, The Long Way Around, Louise, Rambln Round, Birds, Hey Mister That's Me Up On The Jukebox, Prisoner in Disguise, Many Rivers To Cross, You Tell Me That I'm Falling Down, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, Alison, Talk To Me Of Mendocino and so many others. I could go on and on. The majority of these songs were never on Top 40 radio and most of the general public probably never heard them. But the millions Ronstadt fans who owned and listened to her work know them and probably still listen to them from time to time. To say her renditions lack creativity. Whatever. I don't know what that means. I listen, I am moved, I love them. Apparently I am not alone. Last I checked she had about 40,000 votes on the induction poll. I have waited a long time for this nomination. I have no doubt it is deserving. At least a few other people agree with us. Thanks again, Chris.

Posted by Richie on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 00:13am


Chris F.-How am I twisting her career? Did she have a series of major hits? No. Did she write her own music or have the talent to do so? No. Did she have so much commercial success that it overrides other objections? No. In fact your own numbers showed that The Carpenters, whose main albums were from the first half of the decade, outsold her in the 1970s when Ronstadt was supposedly such a major star. And artists like Whitney Houston and Celine Dion (sadly) outsold her by an order of magnitude. Dion appears to have sold 10xs as many albums. And that damn song is etched painfully in our cultural memory.

These are apt comparisons because really Ronstadt was a rock artist in only the most tepid sense. Her peers were really other vocalists. And she suffers in comparison to virtually all of them. (Streisand, Carey, Dion, Houston, etc.). You mention Ronstadt's voice but I think the truth is that she was not a timeless singer. A good singer but not a great one. Karen Carpenter for example, blows her away, which is a big reason why those songs are still part of popular culture. That is why Ronstadt doesn't have major hits. She did not have the vocal talent to take an old Dolly Parton composition and turn it into a monster hit like Whitney Houston. I would argue that ONJ was easily as good a vocalist, and the hits back it up. It's possible that a singer is so talented (Carpenter, Houston, Joplin) that this alone becomes a basis for induction. Ronstadt does not qualify. And again if she did where did her music go? If her voice was truly that great we would still hear it today. (Incidentally, Simone was a better vocalist as well).

It is not just that she didn't write her own songs. It is that her song choices were so conservative and safe. Old Buddy Holly songs? It's one thing to cover songs in an imaginative way. It is quite another to be as safe and tepid and boring as possible because that was what sold. That was the 70s US mainstream. (Ronstadt didn't sell at all in the UK and Europe if memory serves). Her music was just not interesting, period. That was smart business at that time (bland was in), but it didn't leave much of a footprint.

Elvis was with the Beatles and Dylan one of the most important names in rock history and one of its biggest commercial artists. Any comparison is absurd. Holiday (who actually was a good song composer) was a jazz singer from the 1930s. Franklin (again a decent song composer) began her career in the 1950s and is one of the earliest major soul artists. Joplin was legitimately the first major female rock superstar.

In contrast Ronstadt was a reasonably successful singer of cover material in the mid 1970s when music had become big business.

The country rock argument has sailed. She was late in the game and did little to popularize it before it was popular.

It's not that I dislike Ronstadt. It's that her fans respond to mild criticism by screeching. An artist who has hits, who writes their own material, who sells a massive number of albums, who innovates and takes risks, who challenges convention, who have not been forgotten by popular culture-those artists are easy to defend. Ronstadt is none of these things, so I sympathize.



Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 00:59am


Oh yeah Chris F, One other thing. You will never get the last word.

Posted by Richie on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 06:14am


Cat Stevens has connections to both Peter Gabriel and Yes. Peter Gabriel played flute on Cat Stevens' song "Katmandu" from the album "Mona Bone Jakon."
Rick Wakeman played piano on "Morning Has Broken"

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 12:07pm


@Richie-I'm just being honest. I don't think she qualifies and I'm not alone. Her deficiencies are substantial and her defenders always respond with nonsense because they have so little else. Her Greatest Hits album is primarily songs that already charted for other artists. Heck, even Different Drum was on the Monkees TV show before the Stone Poneys recorded it. And that is my last word on the subject.

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 13:56pm


Roy, all the members of U2 will likely vote for Chic. They're all into dance music and Bono even attended a Chic show a few months back.

It's nigh impossible to try and determine which inducted artists will vote for which nominees, but I admire the attempt though.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 14:08pm


Linda Ronstadt will get the sympathy vote, because of her Parkinson's disease announcement. It took until Donna Summer was six feet under for her to finally get inducted. Sometimes it takes bad events to turn the committee's heads a bit in their directions.

Posted by danny on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 14:31pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OdnQEQhDzUc

This is basically what the HOF has become.

Posted by danny on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 14:35pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OdnQEQhDzUc

This is basically what the HOF has become.

Posted by danny on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 14:35pm


Email I sent to Greg Harris and Robert Hilburn:

Since you nominated 16 acts this year, I think you should induct half (8). That would be fair.

Response from Robert Hilburn:

No, they shouldn't even induct seven.. they should limit it to five to make it more competitive and more respectable... seven or 8 is watering it down

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 21:53pm


2014 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees
WORST CASE SCENARIO

01. Chic
02. N.W.A
03. LL Cool J
04. Link Wray
05. The Meters
06. The Replacements
07. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 22:56pm




2014 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees
WORST CASE SCENARIO

01. Chic
02. N.W.A
03. LL Cool J
04. Link Wray
05. The Meters
06. The Replacements
07. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 22:56pm


That's a damn good class, son.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 23:04pm


The 2014 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees
BEST CASE SCENARIO

01. Yes
02. Kiss
03. Chic
04. Deep Purple
05. Peter Gabriel
06. Hall & Oates
07. Nirvana

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 23:18pm


The 2014 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees
THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SCENARIO

01. Chic
02. Link Wray
03. The Zombies
04. Peter Gabriel
05. Cat Stevens
06. Linda Ronstadt
07. Hall & Oates

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.19.13 @ 23:27pm


I agree, Darin, they gave us a great class this year; not perfect by any means, but enough to make me respect the Rock Hall a little more. It's hard for me to imagine a scenario that doesn't leave me satisfied overall.

But I will say that if either the Paul Butterfield Blues Band or Cat Stevens end up preventing any of the truly worthy candidates (i.e. Deep Purple, N.W.A., Kiss) from getting in, all of that newfound respect will be gone.

Posted by Idlewild on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 01:05am


Honestly, I'd rather see Paul Butterfield Blues Band get in than Kiss, but that's really more about me loving one and loathing the other.

There are are a few bands on this ballot (Kiss, Yes, Hall & Oates) that I despise to the point that I can't make an honest, unbiased assessment of them, but I am enough of a sport to admit it up front. LOL.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 02:57am


Honestly, I'd rather see Paul Butterfield Blues Band get in than Kiss, but that's really more about me loving one and loathing the other.

There are are a few bands on this ballot (Kiss, Yes, Hall & Oates) that I despise to the point that I can't make an honest, unbiased assessment of them, but I am enough of a sport to admit it up front. LOL.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 02:57am


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I hate Kiss, except for 2 songs, Rock and Roll All Nite and Shout It Out Loud. With Yes, I only like I've Seen All Good People, Roundabout and Owner of a Lonely Heart. Hall & Oates are alright, but can wait for other more worthy artists who came before like ELO and many more!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 03:22am


#32 - Posted 10/17/13 @9:57AM by Enigmaticus [contact]

I was somewhat disappointed with the nominees list this year. However, I was delighted to see Yes and Peter Gabriel's nomination.

I have been an aficionado of Yes' music since the summer of 1981. They are my co-favorite band musically. Even though they have a few albums which leave little to be desired: "Big Generator," "Union," "Talk" and "Open Your Eyes," for example, much of Yes' work is superlative. When I had first heard 'Roundabout,' I thought that this song was by an earlier version of Rush. Please keep in mind that Rush is nearly as old as Yes, they just did not release a single or album for their first five years.

I still think that Yes ranks in the top 10 of all rock groups, as far as future rock historians are concerned. This past year, I have really been pushing for the nomination and induction of the following artists: The Moody Blues, Duran Duran, Carly Simon, Sade, Electric Light Orchestra, The Doobie Brothers and Foreigner. Therefore, I was disappointed to not see any of those artists on the nomination list.

As far as Yes is concerned, I could see all three members of Rush inducting them. Overall, I think that Nirvana is the shoo in. Nile Rodgers has been a brilliant producer and has deserved a lifetime achievement award for his contributions to music, but I would have much preferred Duran Duran to have been chosen, in lieu of Chic.

As far as the other nominees are concerned, other than Yes, I had voted for: Peter Gabriel, Deep Purple, Hall & Oates and The Zombies

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 06:19am


Honestly, much like last year, there aren't any groups on the ballot that made me jump and shout "ALL RIGHT!", but I recognize that a lot of them are very worthy. I like a lot of the acts here, but I don't outright love them. Most of the groups I really love have already been inducted. Looking at the past nominees and the previously considered, the names that from a personal taste standpoint I really want to see get in are the Spinners, Lesley Gore, Chubby Checker, Stevie Ray Vaughan, the Turtles, and a few others.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 11:24am


I am going to speculate that the following acts will be inducted next year: Nirvana, Yes, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel, Linda Ronstadt, Hall & Oates, N.W.A.

If so, then my 2015 list of nominees will look like this:

1. Duran Duran
2. Jethro Tull
3. Bad Company
4. Carole King
5. Queen Latifah
6. Doobie Brothers
7. E. L. O.
8. Stevie Ray Vaughan
9. The Moody Blues
10. The Meters
11. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
12. Chic
13. Carly Simon
14. Green Day
15. Phish

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 15:05pm


Alternates for 2015 nominees

1. Roxy Music: Rolling Stone had given "Siren" and "Avalon" 5 star ratings. 4 of Roxy Misic's albums appear on their Top 500 album list, if I am not mistaken.

2. Steeleye Span: 7 of their albums were rated at 4 stars, according to The New Rolling Stone Record Guide From 1983. By comparison, Rush and Steely Dan (both previous inductees) had 5 four star and 4 four star albums,
respectively.

3. Todd Rundgren: Rolling Stone had given his albums great
ratings, with the exceptions of his Utopia albums. According
to this guide, "Something/Anything" had received 5 stars.

4. Cheap Trick: "Live At Budokan" had received 5 stars; "In
Color" and "Heaven Tonight" had received 4 stars.

5. Joan Baez: Apparently, this guide had also loved Joan
Baez. She has 4- four star albums amongst her discography.

6. Warren Zevon: This guide had given his albums, "Warren Zevon" and "Stand In The Fire" 5- stars.

7. XTC: "Drums And Wires" and "Black Sea" had received 4
stars.

8. Johnny Winter: had received 6- four star albums, according to this guide.






3.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 15:52pm


Speaking of which, where are The Steve Miller Band and Boz Scaggs?


I am going to speculate that the following acts will be inducted next year: Nirvana, Yes, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel, Linda Ronstadt, Hall & Oates, N.W.A.

If so, then my 2015 list of nominees will look like this:

1. Duran Duran
2. Jethro Tull
3. Bad Company
4. Carole King
5. Queen Latifah
6. Doobie Brothers
7. E. L. O.
8. Stevie Ray Vaughan
9. The Moody Blues
10. The Meters
11. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
12. Chicago
13. Sade
14. Green Day
15. Phish
16. Carly Simon

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 15:05pm


Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 17:13pm


Astrodog,

"How am I twisting her career?"

By acting as though her major hits, sales, and influence are far less than what they were. Then using other artists and focusing on a single criteria of popularity to judge them against her with (#1 Songs)

"Did she have a series of major hits? No"

Yes, right there is a twist. She did in fact have a series of major hits. A Hit is anything that charted on the Hot 100 of Billboard, (or Cashbox if you are old enough to remember it). A major hit being anything falling into the Top 40 territory traditionally. Some songs that were number 25 are more a major hit than songs that hit number 1. Some songs at number 4 were bigger hits than songs at number 3. You assume that a single slot on a chart defines what a "major" hit is. When so much more goes into it. Ronstadt's 21 Top 40 hits were all hits, and her Top 10 songs were all major hits. Memorable, popular, big sellers, and an extensive chart life.

"Did she write her own music or have the talent to do so? No."

Again not a prerequisite for greatness, and certainly not one for Hall consideration. What matters is that she did what she did well.

"Did she have so much commercial success that it overrides other objections? No."

Except like I pointed out, in this nominee class she is the top seller. Not Nirvana, not KISS, not Yes. It is Linda Ronstadt. I don't think sales figures make you a shoe in for induction, but if the top selling act gets in every year then Ronstadt outdoes everyone else.

". In fact your own numbers showed that The Carpenters, whose main albums were from the first half of the decade, outsold her in the 1970s when Ronstadt was supposedly such a major star."

Again I said their sales to date for their 70s albums have outsold her sales to date for her 70s albums. Those certifications for both of their albums came out in the 90s. Ronstadt has the bigger selling album, and larger total sales. Ronstadt was a star into the 80s, in fact I would say maybe most famous right at the onset of the decade. She was a major star.

". And artists like Whitney Houston and Celine Dion (sadly) outsold her by an order of magnitude. Dion appears to have sold 10xs as many albums"

Nothing sad about Dion's sales. However she only has 20 million more in the States. And these women were not Ronstadt's peers. They came in that holy trinity of female power vocalists (with Mariah Carey). Missing direct competition with her by a few years in Houston's case. And in an entirely different scale of popularity. Houston should already be in. Ronstadt should be getting this nomination.

"
These are apt comparisons because really Ronstadt was a rock artist in only the most tepid sense."

Soft Rock is Rock, like it or not it is not the heaviness of a sound that makes something Rock'N'Roll. I don't really get into Rockist arguments, but Ronstadt was Rock'N'Roll.

"And she suffers in comparison to virtually all of them. (Streisand, Carey, Dion, Houston, etc.)."

Yes everyone loses in comparisons to those women. They are the biggest sellers. There is room for more than just the top 5 ladies at the table.

"the truth is that she was not a timeless singer"

That is opinion. Offer up a counter argument on technical level of vocals. I wouldn't include Ronstadt in my top 100 vocalists by personal opinion, but I would be hard pressed to ignore her talent on an objective level.

"Karen Carpenter for example, blows her away, "

No Carpenter had a distinctive alto. Ronstadt's bottom range hits those notes, and then she sores far into the Soprano's range. Carpenter also used her soft voice effectively, but Ronstadt has the vocal power battle down. Carpenter was unique, Ronstadt was too (That weird Mariachi yelp, mixed with a Country sensibility, and bolstered by a loud belt you see come out of R&B). I can argue vocals all day.

"uld argue that ONJ was easily as good a vocalist, and the hits back it up. It's "

Hits matter zilch in skill. You don't need a single hit to be great at an instrument or when measuring vocals, and it only should be considered slightly when it comes to composition (Where influence matters more). Hits really only matter when judging an overall career.

"was the 70s US mainstream. (Ronstadt didn't sell at all in the UK and Europe if memory serves). Her m"

Wrong. She sold quite well in the UK, and had a large following in Canada. Most of the rest of Europe was in the dark ages on sales until the 1990s, so you can't prove what anyone sold there in the 1970s.

"Elvis was with the Beatles and Dylan one of the most important names in rock history and one of its biggest commercial artists. Any"

I am going to try and get you to understand my point one more time on this. I did not ever, nor would I ever, say Ronstadt has a career that puts her on Elvis' level. I said they are both stylists. Singing other peoples songs is what they did best. As a helpful example. Jimi Hendrix plays guitar, Nancy Wilson plays guitar. They are guitar players. They are not at the same level, but they are both artists who use the guitar. Elvis is a vocal stylist, Linda Ronstadt is a vocal stylist. The both used other composers music, reimagined it and made their record. Not that they are on the same level, just that they both used vocals to express their art.

"
The country rock argument has sailed. She was late in the game and did little to popularize it before it was popular."

I don't know what there is to say more. Country Rock was rumbling around in the mid 60s. By '67 it was coming out. It defined a part of the radio in the 70s. Ronstadt's first records came out between 67-69. "Different Drum" was a vital part of the Country Rock puzzle. The Eagles, the biggest group of the style, formed because they were a backing outfit for Ronstadt. Ronstadt's band had an album out in '67 called "Evergreen", Dylan's big push into Country with the album "John Wesley Harding" came out months afterwards. That makes Ronstadt a pioneer, at the beginning of the style, if anything she made her own way to sell those records. There isn't anyway around that factual truth. She was there, before Country Rock was cool, and before The Byrds released "Sweatheart of the Rodeo". All the artists, producers, journalists, critics, historians, and musicians who talk about Country-Rock recognize that.


I will gladly continue this conversation, but might I suggest we carry it over to Ronstadt's personal page on this site? I just don't want to keep clogging up this feed about a particular act, when there are 15 more to focus on also. If you do want to respond I'll happily read it and talk back. I just figured her page might be a better fit.

Posted by Chris F. on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 19:39pm


Chris F-I already said I had my "last word" on the subject so in main you have yours. (Incidentally her highest charting album in the UK was No. 15 and she never broke the top 30 again; never really sold in the UK.) I can argue this forever and I have to the point of tedium, as her page attests. Nothing new under the sun, just the usual spin (writing vs. non-writing, originality vs. lack of originality, risk vs. conservative, etc.-although the Elvis analogy fails miserably no matter how you spin it). She had a safe, uncreative career singing older songs and the strategy sold albums while leaving a faint legacy. (e.g., Your No Good-charted 1963; When Will I Be Love-charted 1960; Heatwave-charted 1963; Blue Bayou-charted 1961; Ooo Baby Baby-charted 1965). She was a purely commercial artist singing the safest music imaginable. But I guess her legacy really is the point regarding why her fans have whined so loudly and spun so furiously. (Nesmith's folksy Different Drum is now a country rock song-nice song though). Her fans recognize how badly her star has faded and so they think that being inducted in the R&RHF will make her part of some musical canon. If it happens it won't. A safe, uninspiring, riskless career remains exactly that. That's the real lesson. A good singer but in all other respects a mediocrity. Like I said, time has not been kind. Nor should it be.

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 20:23pm


I think there will be 7 inductees this year for some reason (due in large part the 16 nominees this year); here my predictions:

2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees
Chic
Peter Gabriel
Nirvana
N.W.A
Linda Ronstadt
Yes
The Zombies

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 20:36pm


At last, I shall offer some comments on this year's nominees:

Nirvana: I've stated my dislike of Nirvana, the grunge movement, and most 1990s rock 'n roll before, but I would not argue against Nirvana's place in the Hall. Based on their achievements, they deserve it.

Chic: Thankfully, Nile Rodgers has been cleared of his cancer, so should Chic be inducted, he can accept the honor. They're the most important disco act not yet in, so I say yes.

Deep Purple: Again, I am a not a fan of this band either, but their credentials as hard-rock and metal pioneers are unquestionable. It's completely unforgivable that the Hall waited this long, considering Jon Lord's passing last year. Of course, they had to induct such worthy, important names as Randy Newman and John Mellencamp before getting to Deep Purple.

KISS: I enjoy some of their music, but I'm far from being a card-carrying member of the KISS Army. I think they have a case for induction, but Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and some other hard-rock/metal bands are much worthier of enshrinement. KISS can wait in line a few more years.

Hall & Oates: Strong current popularity and crossover appeal make them a sure bet for induction soon, but I see them as a potential dark horse candidate. I wouldn't complain if they missed the cut this year, but they belong in the Hall at some point.

The Replacements: I know next to nothing about this band and have only heard a couple of their songs, so that leaves me in no position to evaluate their chances of induction. I will say that I would have preferred The Cure as the Alternative nominee.

Peter Gabriel: Why not? His solo career is just as important as his tenure with Genesis and he's been very influential in the new wave, world, and alternative scenes. A big yes!

LL Cool J: I'll pass. Haven't heard enough of his repertoire and generally don't care for rap, outside of a few exceptions like Run-D.M.C., Whodini, and a couple others.

Link Wray: God yes! In my eyes, he's the single most important name on this list and should have been inducted when he was still alive. This should be the year that the Hall finally embraces Link, but it'll be a posthumous occasion. As a guitar god, Wray's credentials are second-to-none and he's influenced numerous important guitarists.

The Meters: Don't know enough to evaluate their case for the Hall. I'll do some research later and report back on how I feel.

N.W.A.: Ugh, I hate these pricks. They helped start one of the most repugnant movements in music in recent memory, gangsta rap. I guess from an objective point-of-view, they're HOF-worthy, but don't expect me to rejoice when they do get in the Hall.

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band: See The Meters.

The Zombies: One of the few remaining '60s nominees actually worth inducting. They helped start baroque pop, so they're worth including. Too bad the Hall can't retroactively remove Percy Sledge, The Lovin' Spoonful, The Rascals (A band which I do like, but don't consider HOF-worthy), and some of the other '60s also-rans.

Cat Stevens: I think I may have found a nominee I despise more than N.W.A., and it's this little kitten. Singer-songwriter pablum has as much right to be in a Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame as easy listening/instrumental pop, cocktail/traditional pop singers, and whatever the hell is Yanni is. I'm not a rockist, but the line must be drawn somewhere. Stevens did little to distinguish himself from his singer-songwriter contemporaries and didn't really add anything new. No, no, no!

Yes: Don't really like this band, or most of the '70s progressive rock bands, but Yes is quite significant among that lot. They're long overdue for induction, so hopefully this will be their year.

Linda Ronstadt: Boy, the Hall sure loves nominating all their mothball favorites from the 1960s and 1970s, don't they? If there were two nominees on this list whose only credentials were popularity and commercial success, they would be Cat Stevens and this dilettante. Besides disgracing the works of '50s rock 'n roll pioneers, Linda Ronstadt butchered many jazz/GAS standards. Read Will Friedwald's critique of her failed jazz phase. No to Ronstadt, the queen of consignment store music (Joan Baez, Ethel Merman, Nina Simone, Celine Dion, Judy Collins, Teresa Brewer, Eydie Gorme, Carole King, Jo Stafford, and Eartha Kitt all come dangerously close to earning that dubious title, though).

I personally believe that the induction class should be increased to at least 7 names, that way none of the must-haves are slighted and forced to wait longer. Robert Hilburn is flat-out wrong when he says there should only be 5 inductions per class. Funny he should make such a statement, considering how the Hall typically inducted anywhere from 7-12 candidates in some of their early years, and most of those classes were flawless from top to bottom.

I also hope the Hall will bring back the Early Influence category and induct at least candidates. My picks would be Wynonie Harris and The Ravens.

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 10.20.13 @ 23:23pm


Since peter gabriel is already in with genesis, I wonder if he will vote for himself to get into the hall of fame. Did clapton vote for himself twice?

Posted by dezmond on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 07:11am


Since peter gabriel is already in with genesis, I wonder if he will vote for himself to get into the hall of fame. Did clapton vote for himself twice?

Posted by dezmond on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 07:12am


astrodog,

You lost credibility when you cited Olivia Newton John as your hero in earlier posts. You keep saying you had your "last word" but you keep coming back for more...do yourself a favor and make some friends. The internet has obliviously not been so kind to you. So run along and do something more productive.

You lost credibility when you listed Newton John and Britney Spears as great vocalist. Well, i hate to tell you this, but your third rate heroes have something Ronstadt has: original vocal talent.

I hope you tune in next year to watch Ronstadt pick up her trophy. So stop being a lonely spinster and smile. You remind of those dudes who stay at home and troll while other people have dates on Friday and Saturday nights. How does it feel to be overweight and a troll? These are question I ponder every time I see you pretentiously try to explain your point of view. Its done, its over, thank you for playing.

Posted by daftjustice on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 07:29am


I meant to say

your third rate heroes have something Ronstadt does NOT have: original vocal talent

Now run along chubby troll.

Posted by daftjustice on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 07:34am


Now let's re-examine 2016, shall we:

1. Roxy Music
2. King Crimson
3. Foreigner
4. Jim Croce
5. Salt-n-Pepa
6. Cheap Trick
7. The Cars
8. Depeche Mode
9. Procol Harum
10. Warren Zevon

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 09:58am


@daftjustice-Lame insults again? Nice to see how far I got under your skin. Stop whining like a baby. I keep saying I'm moving on and apparently I was so effectively honest that you guys keep coming back. (Hint: Don't address me in a post I won't respond). Defensive bunch, but that's understandable. If an artist is a reflection of her fans, then in reference to you, your hero is even more mediocre than I dared imagine. And your reading comprehension skills have not improved. With that said, notice that I was respectful to other posters on this subject.

Posted by astrodog on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 11:44am


Daftjustice confirmed for being a projecting neckbeard.

Posted by GFW on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 11:52am


"Now let's re-examine 2016, shall we:"--Enig

Now let's not. Seriously, they just announced the nominees. Can we just focus on this potential class before we start posting our masturbatory induction wishlists (again)?

Sorry if that's a bit harsh, but I'd rather keep my head in the present right now.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10.21.13 @ 18:42pm


Zach, thank you for that wonderful comment that you posted. I just wanted to say that I have started working at a record store. This week will be my last working there. I got introducted to Cab Calloway through watching the 1980 film "The Blues Brothers".

Regarding your throughts on the 2014 Nominees, I would say that the only group that I woundn't celebrate getting into the Hall would be NWA. I too personally dislike thier music except "Express Yourself" and I just don't understand why so meny praise them when all they did was steer rap down a more gangester and racist path.

Otherwise, the other groups I like althrough I disagree with you on Linda Ronstadt because I happen to like her music and her voice.

For an Early Influence, I would pick Cab Calloway or The Ravens.

Lastly, here are some of my favorite films:

School of Rock
Monty Python & The Holy Grail
All the Star Wars films
All the Lord of The Rings films
The Hobbit
The Blues Brothers
Back To The Future
Planes, Trains, & Automobiles
Monty Python's The Meaning of Life
Animal House
All The Jurassic Park films
The Outsiders
Top Gun
Saving Private Ryan
Monty Python's Life of Brian
All the Indiana Jones films
Glory
Braveheart
Aladdin
Lincoln
The Last Samurai
Kingdom of Heaven
Young Frankenstein
Rodin Hood: Men In Tights
History of The World Part 1
Ray [although I haven't seeen it yet]
La Bomba [same thing]
The Buddy Holly Story [same thing here]
The Little Mermaid
A Fish Called Wanda
E.T.
Beauty & The Beast
The Lion King

Posted by Andrew on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 00:41am


astrodog

stop whinning that your heroes Olicia Newton John and Britney Spears won't get in. And I thought you already had your last word. You keep coming back for more. Keep trolling.

Posted by daftjustice on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 03:43am


astrodog

reminds me of those old dudes who sit in McDonalds and watches the little kids play...in a creepy way.

Hint:if you want me to stop responding stop mentioning me in the first place. I was simply stating the obvious...you have no credibility. Your hero is Olvia Newton John...should I go on? Please address that shes you hero and Ill leave you alone.

Posted by daftjustice on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 03:52am


astrodog

stop whinning that your heroes Olicia Newton John and Britney Spears won't get in. And I thought you already had your last word. You keep coming back for more. Keep trolling.

Posted by daftjustice on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 03:43am
--------------------------------------------------
For what it's worth, astro isn't really a troll. Although the two of us don't always see eye to eye, regulars on the site will note he was posting as early as 2011.

He's more of an infrequent visitor. There is a difference. Beyond this, I'll steer clear of your posts.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 06:40am


Astrodog, keep callin em like you see them. I too think Ms. Rondstat's nomination is premature (maybe in the year 2035 or thereabouts would be a good time to consider her work).

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 07:35am


2014 ROCK HALL POLL RESULTS SO FAR

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Poll

01. Nirvana
02. Kiss
03. Deep Purple
04. Yes
05. Peter Gabriel[b/]
06. Hall and Oates
[b]07. Linda Ronstadt

08. Cat Stevens
09. The Zombies
10. N.W.A
11. The Replacements
12. LL Cool J
13. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
14. Link Wray
15. The Meters
16. Chic

The Future Rock Legends Poll

01. Nirvana
02. Deep Purple
03. Kiss
04. Yes
05. Peter Gabriel

06. Chic
07. Linda Ronstadt
08. Hall and Oates
09. N.W.A
10. Cat Stevens
11. The Zombies
12. Link Wray
13. The Replacements
14. LL Cool J
15. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
16. The Meters

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 11:12am


@daftjustice-Do you have a medical condition we need to know about? You keep posting drivel twice. It's as if the sheer degree of pure idiocy cannot be contained in a single post.

Let me help you. You are an amateur. Do you really think your elementary school level insults make a heap a difference to me? Actually, while I'm not trolling, I do take some trollish satisfaction seeing someone so childish become so enraged.

But it is a bit sad that a critique of your precious Queen sends you into such a tizzy that you are cleaning spittle off your computer screen. Really? You love and pine for your Queen so badly that you will brook no slight to her sacred honor? So many Ronstadt fans are like paladins on a holy knight's errand. They must see their Queen enshrined. They must defend her honor.

Since it is so difficult for you to understand I do not think ONJ deserves to be nominated. But she is a contemporary and a very good comparison. And she did have more Top 40 singles, more singles sold, and a comparable number of charting albums during the 1970s. Ronstadt's supposed commercial preeminence is her alleged ticket, so it's clearly a worthwhile comparison. But Ronstadt is more like the ONJ's and Spears of the world. How would you like to be a band like Chicago with a remarkable commercial track record while composing your own material and a glorified cover's artist gets nominated ahead of you? How would you like to be a Whitney Houston fan, who commercially lapped the Ronstadt's of the world, and yet cannot get a nomination even posthumously? Think of any band you care to. The Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, what have you, creative, successful bands that have to wait in line while a completely uncreative, unoriginal, purely conventional artist gets pushed to the front of the line.

Oh sorry. I insulted your Queen again. For shame. :)

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 10.22.13 @ 13:24pm


Yes, I will admit that I have an ulterior motive. I would like to see most of the artists on this old webpage of mine:


http://www.reocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1254/artrockgroupindex.htm


enshrined within the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, over the next several years, or so.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 07:00am


I think at least 7 inductees are going to go in for 2014

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 12:52pm


I think the Meters and Kiss will get passed over again.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 14:36pm


16 nominees this year, all big names, so they should induct half of them.

MY FINAL PREDICTIONS
THE 2014 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

IF 8 INDUCTEES

01. Link Wray
02. Hall and Oates
03. Peter Gabriel
04. Cat Stevens
05. Linda Ronstadt
06. Chic
07. N.W.A
08. Nirvana

IF 7 INDUCTEES

01. Link Wray
02. Hall and Oates
03. Peter Gabriel
04. Linda Ronstadt
05. Chic
06. N.W.A
07. Nirvana

IF 6 INDUCTEES

01. Link Wray
02. Hall and Oates
03. Peter Gabriel
04. Linda Ronstadt
05. N.W.A
06. Nirvana

IF 5 INDUCTEES

01. Yes
02. Deep Purple
03. Kiss
04. Nirvana
05. N.W.A

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 14:53pm


The 2014 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

01. Yes
02. Deep Purple
03. Kiss
04. Nirvana
05. N.W.A

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 14:59pm


Roy,

I tend to agree. I do wonder if they will slide the Meters into the Sidemen category unexpectedly.

As for Kiss, they have been so vocal about being against the Hall that combined with the image of selling out that they acquired it may keep them from the Hall for a long time. Especially with someone like Deep Purple on the ballot. Add to that the 50% and up rule and it seems like they may be sitting just outside for a while. I would say at the moment the only lock I see is Nirvana. I expect Deep Purple, Linda Ronstadt, Chic, and N.W.A. to fill out the remaining spots. Link Wray could potentially sneak in, or get sneaked in (I still refuse to believe Laura Nyro got over Chaka Khan, Donna Summer, Heart, and Joan Jett on the vote tally, especially considering the female voting members of whom I could only see Joni Mitchell pulling for Nyro).

I think everyone is deserving this year. But:

The Meters don't have the recognition, even when they have the talent.

The Replacements won't overcome a hurdle The Cure couldn't.

Hall & Oates are probably going to take a couple times, and may become the new Chic.

The Paul Buttersfield Blues Band while fantastic are competing dead on with the Zombies as a 60s act.

-----

That leaves LL Cool J, Peter Gabriel, Cat Stevens, The Zombies, Kiss, and Yes. All of them able to knock out my other five picks. If N.W.A. gets blocked another year the Hall's new bad child style will be Gangsta Rap. I think LL and Yes will be joining that often nominated but never inducted club. So Gabriel and The Zombies may make this a larger class than usual with Stevens being the true dark horse. I am guessing 6 get in this year. And I think we may see a few more fixes for missing back up bands (no more than 2 I would guess).

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 15:00pm


I also disagree with writer Robert Hillburn's assertion that there should only be five inductees. There were six in 2013 so personally I wouldn't have a problem with seven for 2014. Great comments everybody pro AND con!

Posted by V.F.T. on Wednesday, 10.23.13 @ 16:36pm


In order of importance:

1. Nirvana
2. KISS
3. Deep Purple
4. Chic
5. Link Wray
6. N.W.A
7. Hall & Oates
8. Peter Gabriel
9. Cat Stevens
10. Linda Ronstadt
11. The Replacements
12. Yes
13. The Zombies
14. The Meters
15. Paul Butterfield Blues Band
16. LL Cool J

Any protests to this list?

Posted by Kekman Jones :^) on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 08:37am


My preferred order of preference and importance amongst this year's nominees:

1. Yes
2. Peter Gabriel
3. Deep Purple
4. Nirvana
5. Hall And Oates
6. The Meters
7. Paul Butterfield Blues Band
8. Link Wray
9. N.W.A.
10. Chic
11. KISS
12. The Zombies
13. The Replacements
14. L.L. Cool J.
15. Linda Ronstadt
16. Cat Stevens

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 09:47am


My order of preference amongst this year's inductees:

1. Yes
2. Peter Gabriel
3. Deep Purple
4. The Meters
5. Hall And Oates
6. Paul Butterfield Blues Band
7. Link Wray
8. Chic
9. The Zombies
10. The Replacements
11. L. L. Cool J.
12. Nirvana
13. N. W. A.
14. Linda Ronstadt
15. KISS
16. Cat Stevens

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 09:56am


the zombies could be this year's dave clark five or hollies induction with stevie van Zandt pulling for their candidacy

Posted by chris on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 12:03pm


Here is how I would rank the nominees from the order of preferences:


1. Peter Gabriel
2. Nirvana
3. N.W.A.
4. Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
5. Chic
6. Yes
7. Linda Ronstadt
8. Deep Purple
9. LL Cool J
10. The Replacements
11. Link Wray
12. Kiss
13. Daryl Hall and John Oates
14. The Zombies
15. The Meters
16. Paul Butterfield

I will explain why in a later post,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 22:21pm


I am so sorry, I had meant nominees, not inductees. I would have no heartache with my top 6 being inducted, however.

I feel that acts 1 thru 3 deserve immediate induction:

1. Yes- their music is transcendent. They have been considered to be the high priests of progressive rock.

2. Peter Gabriel- his explorations of world music will always be appreciated. His work with Genesis was spectacular.

3. Deep Purple- they were second in last year's poll to Rush. They are extremely influential and had started out as a progressive rock group. In my honest opinion, 'April' is the highlight of their early career.

Of course the top 3 acts had also influenced Rush.

4. The Meters- Any band who has influenced Talking Heads
gets my vote. I would buy their records.

5. What's not to like about Hall And Oates? I actually don't own a single record of theirs yet.

6. I am not familiar with the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, but the induction of any great blues act is long overdue. I hope that Gary Clark Jr. Gets that honor bestowed upon him as soon as he is eligible.

In my opinion, acts 4 thru 6 are definitely worth investigating more closely.

Numbers 7 thru 9 were influential in their own way, but does a few good songs make them worthy of this honor.

Acts 10- 12 , I am not familiar with enough to make a judgement call.

Acts 13 thru 16, I do not like at all.



5.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 22:26pm


I am so sorry, I had meant nominees, not inductees. I would have no heartache with my top 6 being inducted, however.

I feel that acts 1 thru 3 deserve immediate induction:

1. Yes- their music is transcendent. They have been considered to be the high priests of progressive rock.

2. Peter Gabriel- his explorations of world music will always be appreciated. His work with Genesis was spectacular.

3. Deep Purple- they were second in last year's poll to Rush. They are extremely influential and had started out as a progressive rock group. In my honest opinion, 'April' is the highlight of their early career.

Of course the top 3 acts had also influenced Rush.

4. The Meters- Any band who has influenced Talking Heads
gets my vote. I would buy their records.

5. What's not to like about Hall And Oates? I actually don't own a single record of theirs yet.

6. I am not familiar with the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, but the induction of any great blues act is long overdue. I hope that Gary Clark Jr. Gets that honor bestowed upon him as soon as he is eligible.

In my opinion, acts 4 thru 6 are definitely worth investigating more closely.

Numbers 7 thru 9 were influential in their own way, but do
a few good songs make them worthy of this honor.

Acts 10- 12 , I am not familiar with enough to make a
judgement call.

Acts 13 thru 16, I do not like at all. I feel that there are much better choices in those genres for induction, instead.



5.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 22:26pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 22:32pm


If we're going to rank nominees based solely on personal enjoyment, mine would look like:

Nirvana
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Replacements
The Meters
Peter Gabriel
Link Wray
The Zombies
Chic
N.W.A
Deep Purple
Cat Stevens
Linda Ronstadt
LL Cool J
Yes
Hall & Oates
Kiss


14.
15.
16.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 22:44pm


My personal rankings from best to worse:

Nirvana
Yes
Chic
Link Wray
Peter Gabriel
Linda Ronstadt
Deep Purple
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
N.W.A.
Hall & Oates
The Meters
The Replacements
The Zombies
Cat Stevens
LL Cool J
KISS

Posted by John R.C. on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 23:35pm


I am from a different generation. So, my musical tastes are going to be quite different from many other individuals. Although I am not religious, the closest thing to a religion for me, is "progressive rock."

When I had first heard Yes, I was astonished. I had liked the entire way that their music had been packaged. Roger Dean's famous "yes" logo was organic and his cover artwork had added a layer of surreal fantasy elements.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 00:19am


Ronstadt has been all over the map in terms of styles. For those who may be unaware of her when she performed Rock and Roll here are a few youtube cuts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OMh5bajp9k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPb06ZhAnAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKucFpkq5T4

Posted by Richie on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 00:41am


My order of preference amongst this year's inductees:

1. Yes
2. Peter Gabriel
3. Deep Purple

4. The Meters
5. Hall And Oates
6. Paul Butterfield Blues Band

7. Link Wray
8. Chic
9. The Zombies

10. The Replacements
11. L. L. Cool J.
12. Nirvana

13. N. W. A.
14. Linda Ronstadt
15. KISS
16. Cat Stevens

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 09:56am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 01:01am


My personal like/don't like as much list would be:

Nirvana
Deep Purple
Hall & Oates
The Zombies
Yes
The Replacements
Peter Gabriel
Link Wray
The Meters
Cat Stevens
KISS
N.W.A.
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Linda Ronstadt
LL Cool J
Chic

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 07:36am


My attempt to rank them by overall importance:

1. Nirvana
2. N.W.A.
3. Deep Purple
4. Peter Gabriel
5. The Replacements
6. Chic
7. LL Cool J
8. KISS
9. Yes
10. The Zombies
11. Hall & Oates
12. The Meters
13. Link Wray
14. Linda Rondstadt
15. Cat Stevens
16. Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 17:42pm


2012: The Small Faces/Faces
2010: The Hollies
2008: The Dave Clark Five

2014: The Zombies?




2013: Randy Newman
2012: Laura Nyro, Donovan
2011: Tom Waits, Neil Diamond
2008: Leonard Cohen

2014: Cat Stevens?





2013: Rush
2010: Genesis

2014: Yes?




2013: Heart
2012: Guns N' Roses
2011: Alice Cooper
2009: Metallica

2014: Deep Purple?






2013: Donna Summer
2012: Red Hot Chili Peppers

2014: Chic?





2013: Albert King
2012: Freddie King (Early Influence)
2009: Jeff Beck
2008: Little Walter (Sidemen)

2014: Paul Butterfield Blues Band?

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 17:51pm


Casper -

Peter Gabriel is a singer/songwriter too.

Kiss might be the next Hard Rock artist.

Posted by D on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 18:24pm


Well pointed out Casper. We'll see what patterns continue.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 10.25.13 @ 18:39pm


Another one you could add is guitar gods:

2009: Jeff Beck
2012: Freddie King
2013: Albert King

2014: Link Wray?

Posted by rockstar23 on Saturday, 10.26.13 @ 05:49am


I ranked the nominees by attempted merits on my blog *shameless plug* rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.26.13 @ 18:02pm


Philip - Good read as always. I'm more in line with your fiance on Kiss and Ronstadt and I think a lot of people on this site in particular have been short selling the influence and importance of the Paul Butterfield Blues Band (your comments about them were respectful, though), but otherwise I largely agree with your rankings.

I don't know if anyone around here lurks at Charles Crossley Jr's Top of the Charts site, but we've been having a good conversation over there about the PBBB's importance.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.26.13 @ 18:56pm


Philip,

You and your fiancé have an interesting take on the 2014 nominees, I happen to have an opposing view, however. It's nice to see that you said that there was a 55% possibility of induction of Rush last year. I and others had worked on getting their induction for nearly 15 years.

Of course, you had failed to mention the possibility that Rush's induction would lead to the nomination of Yes this year. I was hoping that Rush's nomination would lead to the nomination of The Moody Blues and Duran Duran, also but alas that was not to be.

Now, I find it quite ironic that the 5 top vote getters on this site are in some way connected to Rush, n' est-ce pas?

Otherwise, although I am indifferent to Nirvana and I strongly dislike, 'Smells Like Teen Spirit,' in particular, I know that they are the shoo in. Otherwise, with endorsements from Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, both Deep Purple and Yes stand a good change of getting inducted this time.

I also like the possibility of Peter Gabriel, getting the nod. I am hoping that Stevie Nicks & Sting will follow suit.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 10.26.13 @ 22:12pm


Yeah, that was some pretty good analysis as always. I do think you missed a few key points in your "Intangibles" section for certain artists though. One for Chic is Nile Rodgers' ubiquity this year with Daft Punk's smash "Get Lucky" which no doubt brought him not only more exposure but perhaps a deeper level of respect and a refresher of his talents in the industry. You mentioned the Zombies being a '60s act to their advantage, I think the same goes for Cat Stevens being a singer-songwriter. Most who have been nominated are eventually inducted. Two big ones for Ronstadt,is that she's the only female act on the ballot (I guess you touched on this with her influence section) as well as the announcement of her Parkinson's which brings some urgency to inducting her.

Those were just minor things really, I really enjoyed hearing your take on this years' nominees. I assume you'll be doing a taste-based analysis again as well. If so, I'm looking forward to reading it.

Posted by rockstar23 on Saturday, 10.26.13 @ 22:17pm


Enig -- it's not really such a coincidence that the current poll leaders are all, as you put it, Rush-connected: Rush was among the highest supported acts by the general populace and as the FRL and the Rock Hall fan ballot polls show, the bands that John Q. Public support the most heavily for induction tend to fall within a pretty (for want of a better term) finite range of the rock spectrum. The acts that get the highest fan approval are usually the ones you are likely to hear on classic rock radio stations, be it Rush, Kiss, Peter Gabriel or Deep Purple. The only reason Nirvana does not fall within this range is simply because they debuted later, outside the generally accepted range of "classic rock".

rockstar23 -- Appreciate the feedback but the things you listed as Intangibles that I missed are , in my opinion, reasons why they stand a chance for induction and less actual merits to argue their worthiness of induction. In the case of the Zombies, the 60s were such a fertile period for music and ideology, especially in terms of British Invasion acts, that it really is a kind of merit in itself, in a weird way. I know that this statement will prove unpopular with a lot of folks here, especially the post-punk/80s alt scene crowd, but, for the most part, I think it's a defensible position.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.26.13 @ 23:47pm


Yeah, that's what I assumed as well until I got to the Zombies post and saw that you were propping up their British Invasion status as an intangible (which you've now explained). I suppose "Get Lucky" proves that Rodgers' production work is still relevant decades after his peak.

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 10.27.13 @ 06:53am


Good analysis from all three of you, but Enigmaticus, I have to take issue with this:

'I was hoping that Rush's nomination would lead to the nomination of The Moody Blues and Duran Duran, also but alas that was not to be.'

I struggle to find the connection between Rush and Duran Duran. One's prog/hard rock, the other's new wave. If anything would lead to Duran Duran's nomination it would be the continued presence of Chic, since Chic were one of their biggest influences. Chic's induction is coming either this or next year, which will be a big boost for Duran Duran.

It's quite possible that Yes could get in this year. I would hope that would lead to King Crimson getting on the ballot but they'll likely remain sidelined (sigh).

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 10.27.13 @ 19:27pm


Sam,

That's certainly a valid point. Where us the connection between Rush and Duran Duran? In order to answer that question, one has to look back to what is known as the "Synthesizer Era" of Rush's history. I prefer to call it their Early Modern Period and Late Modern Period. During that time, Rush had incorporated many of the sounds of the new wave into their presentation. Neil Peart has been quoted as saying, "We all loved the music of that time...we were young enough to be influenced by .... And we've never said that doesn't suit Rush, those words have never been uttered..." Additionally, during that time period, Geddy Lee had referred to Duran Duran as a "good band" and Alex Lifeson had decided that he wanted to dress like Simon Le Bon, according to Geddy. The point is that Rush was always interested in experimenting with new styles, they had hired two "pop" producers during that time: Peter Collins and Rupert Hine and their music had reflected a more polished sound with shorter songs. I happen to refer to these eras of Rush stylistically as "art rock." New Wave is simply a commercial term used to describe the styles of music which had arisen after the advent of punk. "Art rock" is still experimental, but happens to be more commercially friendly, in many instances.

I should have said that "I was hoping that Rush's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame would have opened doors for the nominations of such "art rock" bands, as: The Moody Blues, Electric Light Orchestra and Duran Duran, but alas that was not to be," instead. That would have created less confusion.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 02:44am


I ranked the nominees by attempted merits on my blog *shameless plug* rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.26.13 @ 18:02pm
--------------------------------------------------
Looked at your listing, & thought I'd have a word or two, mainly about the rock acts on this list.

1. NIRVANA

When it comes to Nirvana, note that before them, such purveyors of toe-tapping ditties as Guns N' Roses (Welcome To The Jungle), Skid Row (18 And Life), Queensryche (Silent Lucidity) and Metallica (Enter Sandman) were all having some chart success. Alternative didn't break through anything, rock music did.

In addition, Rock doesn't sound this way due to Nirvana today, it sounds this way cause some lady or gent on the 10th floor of the Capitol Building needs to cover the company profit line (see Creed, Nickelback, etc., for further details).

4. DEEP PURPLE

You might say that the progressive sound is all w/in Blackmore's guitar. I understand he liked classical music,& didn't mind working it in to the sound. In addition, if your looking at impact, go back to the Billboard charts for those particular yrs. and see where they finished. Some folks use a modern book, & forget that the numbers are padded by 15, 20, 25 yrs. of occasional sales accumulating. Where they landed on the charts, & how long they were in the top 40, has to be used to counter those extra sales over time.

6. YES

No real comment on Yes. I always felt they belonged in the Hall, though even I question why. I just hope it's not that artwork alone talking. :)

10. LINK WRAY

Don't forget, Link also had a secondary influence on the hot-rod instrumental style that briefly showed up after surf (Davie Allan), & also had something of an effect on the Wailers, the Sonics, & the Northwest crowd.

12. THE ZOMBIES

A rough definition of the Zombies sound might be to say it was an Anglo take on Booker T & the MG's jazz, mixed w/the Beatle elements of the moment. Don't forget, the Trad Jazz people ran alongside the blues purists in England at that time. It's entirely possible for the Zombies to have overlooked the ruckus between the Graham Bond's & the Rolling Stones's of the time, and gone w/jazz as a musical outlet. They were more Beatles at the beginning, but "Time of the Season" has jazz out the wazoo.

13. THE REPLACEMENTS

See Nirvana above. I'm not so sure frustrated chords exist, but I am sure that distortion pedals do.

15. THE PAUL BUTTERFIELD BLUES BAND

As with Yes, I agree, but I don't really know why (nor do I mind acknowledging this).

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 06:12am


That's certainly a valid point. Where us the connection between Rush and Duran Duran? In order to answer that question, one has to look back to what is known as the "Synthesizer Era" of Rush's history. I prefer to call it their Early Modern Period and Late Modern Period. During that time, Rush had incorporated many of the sounds of the new wave into their presentation. Neil Peart has been quoted as saying, "We all loved the music of that time...we were young enough to be influenced by .... And we've never said that doesn't suit Rush, those words have never been uttered..." Additionally, during that time period, Geddy Lee had referred to Duran Duran as a "good band" and Alex Lifeson had decided that he wanted to dress like Simon Le Bon, according to Geddy. The point is that Rush was always interested in experimenting with new styles, they had hired two "pop" producers during that time: Peter Collins and Rupert Hine and their music had reflected a more polished sound with shorter songs. -- etc., onward

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 02:44am
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Enigma: I've watched you post for a while now on a Duran Duran/Prog link, & I'll be honest w/you, I think I'm like a lot of folks here, all trying to find a link of some kind.

I know Rush made those comments, but sometimes comments disguise where an act is at, at a particular moment. To this day, I can recall reading a quote by a member of the rap group Wu Tang Clan, who was praising (or at least acknowledging) 90's rock. He stated how he liked grunge, & that "Black Hole Sun was my sh^$". Perhaps he Was being honest, but I rather think he was covering himself, since Soundgarden were at #1 at the time. Of course, I forget exactly where I read said quote, but I think you get where I'm coming from.

I read the comments on Alex Lifeson, & I hear "fashion takeover" screaming at me through the murk. It's entirely possible that Rush (rock band) was aware that Duran Duran (pop band) & new wave were taking over, & as such, they didn't want to become fossilized real fast. The "polished sheen" and "shorter songs" you mention reflect this as well.

I don't say this as a knock against Rush, as they later returned to the classic sound later on. I'm not even trying to knock Duran Duran either. I guess I just wonder where Duran Duran really fit into all of this. All I see is a rock group trying to cop some pop style, be it clothes, videos, etc.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 06:43am


Cheesecrop,

It is so good to hear from you. Certainly, I know that I have read something about the connection between Rush and Duran Duran earlier. I think that it may be in their official biography, "Visions" by Bill Banasiewicz. That reminds me, I need to liberate that book from my storage location and look at it again.

The thing that amazes me about Duran Duran has been the great albums that they have released over the past 20 years, especially "Duran Duran," "Astronaut," "All You Need Is Now" and the DvD or BluRay of "A Diamond In The Mind." I am hoping that Duran Duran will return to the U.S. So that I can finally see them in concert.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 10.28.13 @ 10:10am


Something I wondered: Since the nomination for Hall & Oates was for that--as opposed to Daryl Hall and John Oates (as listed on at least one of their albums), if they are inducted, would the inductees include their band or just those two individuals? If anyone can shed light on this, I would very much appreciate it.

Posted by Joe on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 01:10am


Hall and Oates band were sidemen, just like Elton John's band.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 08:31am


who is the one inductee that would surprise you if they were inducted in 2014?

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 12:01pm


LL Cool J

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 12:27pm


Sadly, the Replacements. They'll get in eventually, once the 90s alt-rock bands start paving the way for the 80s alt-rock bands that paved the way for them in the first place. But it's gonna take them a while. This just ain't their year.

Would be the greatest surprise in the world if it happened, though.

Posted by Taylor on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 13:42pm


Cat Stevens

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 13:53pm


The Meters. I'd love to see it, but would be shocked.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 14:22pm


The Meters. I'd love to see it, but would be shocked.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 14:23pm


Not sure if this would count but if all three of the "classic rock" nominees got in that would be a huge shock.

Let me explain: I'm talking about Yes, Deep Purple and Kiss. It stands to reason that at least one maybe even two of these three would get in (I personally would go for the first two I mentioned). With Nirvana taking one slot and so many other good candidates it would be a huge surprise to see all three get in at once

Posted by Tom H on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 14:24pm


I agree with LL Cool J and The Replacements.

LL Cool J, because I would be shocked to see him get in over N.W.A.

The Replacements, because I just think they are far from the biggest alternative snub. It would make no sense to induct them after turning down The Cure or Kraftwerk in nominee classes that weren't this deep.

If I had to pick one, it would be The Replacements.

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 10.29.13 @ 15:17pm


Enigmaticus: I see what you mean. Rush certainly did try to update their sound during the Moving Pictures era.

RE: Biggest shocker. Probably Link Wray. I'd love it if he got in, but I don't see any chance of it happening. Though The Replacements (would be baffling if they got in before The Cure, Husker Du or Depeche Mode) and LL Cool J (I just don't see how he leaps over N.W.A.) would be close.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 06:03am


I think the biggest shocker for me would probably be the Meters. To me, they have the least chance of anybody.

The Replacements would probably be the next most shocking, cause that'd mean the Hall would go with two alternative inductees, which I just don't see happening.

I'm not predicting Link Wray to get in, but I won't be surprised if he does get in. I kind of think the 50's are done for at this stage, but the Hall loves them some guitar heroes. So he could make it.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 06:27am


The way that I see it, there are three "progressive rock" acts on the ballot:

Yes
Peter Gabriel
Deep Purple

And you all happen to know which genre, I will always support.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 09:55am


The way that I see it, there are three "progressive rock" acts on the ballot:

Yes
Peter Gabriel
Deep Purple

And you all happen to know which genre, I will always support.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 09:55am
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Enigma:

Question - You've stated your love of progressive, & also that you weren't sold on louder, more metal-based music. What do you think about a band like Tool, who are considerably louder, but who are also clearly linked to progressive rock? Have you heard their stuff, & what do you think?

Out of the three you list, I'll bank on Purple as having the best chance this time round. I've never been a major Peter Gabriel fan, though I understand why fans do hype him. I'm pretty much neutral w/him. Yes would be a surprise, though I wouldn't mind seeing them get in.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 11:43am


most likely deep purple and yes as eventual inductees

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 10.30.13 @ 12:04pm


'Enigmaticus', you make some interesting observations but I'd have to say I hear more of the Police, Peter Gabriel, and a Talking Heads influence on "80's Rush" moreso than Duran Duran, at least in terms of experimentation. Looking back on that incredible decade of Rush music the funny thing is when all is said and done they still brought in a predominently "hard rock" audience. Frankly, there weren't many, if ANY, "new wave" fans at a Rush concert in the 80's despite the band's admiration for that type of music. Sure, I'm generalizing to a point, but I'm not that far off the mark, either. Great comments, and I'm also rooting for a LONG OVERDUE induction of Deep Purple as well. We'll see.

Posted by V.F.T. on Thursday, 10.31.13 @ 21:53pm


Yes, V.F.T. you are correct. Perhaps it was Duran Duran that was being accepted by the classic rock audience instead, as evinced by this link:

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8747280&style=movie

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 11.1.13 @ 04:24am


Is it too soon to predict that Lou Reed will be on the ballot for the 2015 class next year?

Posted by Donnie on Friday, 11.1.13 @ 09:39am


Lou Reed is already in with Velvet Underground, though, right? I guess we'll see if they think that's sufficient.

Posted by Mike on Friday, 11.1.13 @ 10:28am


Deep Purple
Nirvana
N.W.A.
The Replacements
Link Wray

Loaded ballot this year although I'd say the only real no-brainers are Deep Purple, Nirvana, the Mats, and Link Wray.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 11.1.13 @ 14:09pm


Yeah, I was meaning his solo career when it comes to Lou Reed. The Velvet Underground were inducted in 1996.

Lou was nominated in 2000 and 2001 for his solo career but didn't make it in. I wouldn't be surprised if his passing influences the Nominating Committee to put him on the ballot for a third time.

Posted by Donnie on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 00:24am


Cheesecrop,

I have never really heard that much Tool.

I usually gravitate towards the music of the earlier progressive rock artists, such as: Rush, Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, The Moody Blues, ELP, Gentle Giant, Renaissance and Procol Harum. I also like such acts as: Supertramp, Kansas, E.L.O., The Alan Parson's Project, Styx, Asia, Caravan and Camel.

As far as latter day "progressive metal" acts are concerned, I have a few Dream Theater albums, i also have "Crack The Skye" and "Leviathan" by Mastodon. As far as Neo-prog albums are concerned, I really like "As The World" by Echolyn and "The Whirlwind" by Transatlantic.

As far as "art rock" is concerned, I also like much of Peter Gabriel's solo work and some albums by Kate Bush. I also have numerous albums by Talking Heads, Jefferson Airplane and Duran Duran, a few Roxy Music albums, "Let's Dance" and a few compilations by David Bowie.

I am familiar with some of Porcupine Tree's work, Steven Wilson's solo work, etc. I would not object to hearing Tool, however.

As far as non- traditional "prog" is concerned, I now have a few albums by Blue Oyster Cult ("Don't Fear The Reaper" and "Fire Of Unknown Origin," although I would also like to find a copy of "Extraterrestrial Live." and I am slowly becoming familiar with Deep Purple and Chicago.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 04:13am


Cheesecrop,

I have never really heard that much Tool.

I usually gravitate towards the music of the earlier progressive rock artists, such as: Rush, Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, The Moody Blues, ELP, Gentle Giant, Renaissance and Procol Harum. I also like such acts as: Supertramp, Kansas, E.L.O., The Alan Parson's Project, Styx, Asia, Caravan and Camel.

As far as latter day "progressive metal" acts are concerned, I have a few Dream Theater albums, i also have "Crack The Skye" and "Leviathan" by Mastodon. As far as Neo-prog albums are concerned, I really like "As The World" by Echolyn and "The Whirlwind" by Transatlantic.

As far as "art rock" is concerned, I also like much of Peter Gabriel's solo work and some albums by Kate Bush. I also have numerous albums by Talking Heads, Jefferson Airplane and Duran Duran, a few Roxy Music albums, "Let's Dance" and a few compilations by David Bowie.

I am familiar with some of Porcupine Tree's work, Steven Wilson's solo work, etc. I would not object to hearing Tool, however.

As far as non- traditional "prog" is concerned, I now have a few albums by Blue Oyster Cult "Agents Of Fortune" and "Fire Of Unknown Origin," although I would also like to find a copy of "Extraterrestrial Live." and I am slowly becoming familiar with Deep Purple and Chicago.

I am also an aficionado of the music of what I like to call the
"prog adjacent" bands: Heart, Boston, Foreigner, etc.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 11:09am


I think there are bands from that era I would place ahead of Duran Duran (e.g., The Cure) but they are a legitimate possible. They were huge in the early 80s and they showed some staying power.

If anything it would start to shack things up. Rock is virtually gone and what's considered quality music needs to be rethought. Rockism killed the rock star. I was listening for the first time in ages to the only rock station left in my city. They played Cream and I was gone in five seconds. It's an oldies station, a place for old men to think about their glory days.

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 19:14pm


I think there are bands from that era I would place ahead of Duran Duran (e.g., The Cure) but they are a legitimate possible. They were huge in the early 80s and they showed some staying power.

If anything it would start to shack things up. Rock is virtually gone and what's considered quality music needs to be rethought. Rockism killed the rock star. I was listening for the first time in ages to the only rock station left in my city. They played Cream and I was gone in five seconds. It's an oldies station, a place for old men to think about their glory days.

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 19:14pm
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Can't say Duran Duran would be a bad choice, though I'm not sure they would be the definition of shaking things up.

So... rockism killed the rock STAR - yet when Cream, a band that defined old school rock Stardom came on the air, you turned it off. You, who pretty much ignored what I already noted about how there's plenty of rock still out there, should you choose to look around.

Yet you also say quality music needs to be rethought... Perhaps it is the fan-base, & not the music, that needs to be rethought, as I see a massive contradiction there.

I guess I'll ponder all this while listening to a little Linda Rondstadt... :)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 19:52pm


Inductee prediction:
Nirvana
Deep Purple
Peter Gabriel
Chic
NWA
Linda Ronstadt

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 20:43pm


Here are my Inductee predictions:

Yes
Deep Purple
Hall And Oates
Nirvana
Linda Ronstadt
Chic, or The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

NWA can wait.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 22:17pm


Hey Cheese, thought I'd get back to your comments:

1. NIRVANA
--Not really what to make sure of your comment about "alternative not breaking through, rock music did." I think Guns N' Roses and Skid Row both fall within the realm of 80s hair metal to a large degree, Queensryche didn't really break through... they had one hit and most aren't familiar with their excellent albums. Metallica is a bit of an anomaly, but they weren't really alternative so much as they were metal, or thrash.

"In addition, Rock doesn't sound this way due to Nirvana today, it sounds this way cause some lady or gent on the 10th floor of the Capitol Building needs to cover the company profit line (see Creed, Nickelback, etc., for further details)."

Actually, you further validated my point. In addition to simply continuing to be influential with their catalog, Nirvana is influential at the industrial level. The gatekeepers of record business are still looking for the next Nirvana, or derivative thereof. That's the kind of influence that is huge. Some despise it because it makes it a suits' game, but to a degree, it always has been. The industry is still feeding off the Nirvana vibe, and it's part of what still makes them influential today.

4. DEEP PURPLE

--Actually the reference book I use does work the way you request: where they ended up in the Top 200, and how long they actually stayed on the charts. Continual residual sales over the years don't always contribute to getting that album back on the Top 200.

10. LINK WRAY

--I should hang my head at forgetting hot-rod rock. If I have any excuse, it's that with acts like the Beach Boys and Jan And Dean, hot rod got largely subsumed by the surf rock feel and became part of the whole emotional evocation of the general style that is common to both.

12. THE ZOMBIES

--I like your comment about Anglo Booker T. As for jazz...not a huge fan, so I'm not as brushed up on it. I also think "jazz" and "avant garde" tend to get slung about in conversation a little too liberally. Just because it's free of musical structure doesn't make it jazz or avant garde necessarily, sometimes it's just crap. But that's just me. Not being big into jazz, I'll just say I don't hear it in "Time Of The Season," cuz I'm not sure what to look for, and what style or tradition of jazz you're specifically referring to.

13. THE REPLACEMENTS

--I'm not sure how you're linking Nirvana and the Replacements, or what mentioning the distortion pedal has to do with the Replacements either. Anyway, the way they made the guitars sound angry is only part of the formula.

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As for shockers...I've already written off the Replacements and the Meters as essentially having no chance, so either of these would really surprise me.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 23:47pm



Here are my Inductee predictions:

Yes
Deep Purple
Hall And Oates
Nirvana
Linda Ronstadt
Chic, or The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

NWA can wait.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 11.2.13 @ 22:17pm

Those aren't predictions, those are your picks.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 01:01am


Actually no, Gassman:

I would never have voted for Chic, nor Nirvana, nor Linda Ronstadt.

These are the artists whom I had voted for:

Yes
Deep Purple
Peter Gabriel
Hall & Oates
The Meters

Last year, I had voted for:

Rush
Heart
Donna Summer
Randy Newman
Procol Harum

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 01:31am


My order of preference amongst this year's inductees:

1. Yes
2. Peter Gabriel
3. Deep Purple
4. The Meters
5. Hall And Oates
6. Paul Butterfield Blues Band
7. Link Wray
8. Chic
9. The Zombies
10. The Replacements
11. L. L. Cool J.
12. Nirvana
13. N. W. A.
14. Linda Ronstadt
15. KISS
16. Cat Stevens

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 10.24.13 @ 09:56am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 01:51am


Cheesecrop,

As you know from my many postings on this site, Duran Duran was my top choice for 2014 induction. Unfortunately, that was not to be. I am now hoping that they will be nominated in 2014, for induction in 2015, alongside The Moody Blues and Carly Simon. Of course, Lou Reed's passing may lead to his posthumous induction next year, unless he receives an early influence induction in 2014.

Sometimes, it takes the Hall nomination committee a few years to getting around to nominating and then inducting certain acts. Such was the case with Rush last year.

Perhaps this year, or early next year, several of the Hall nomination committee members will see "A Diamond In The Mind" and the David Lynch Duran Duran film, which I have not yet seen. If the next Duran Duran albums are of the same quality, or even better than "All You Need Is Now," then
Duran Duran should finally get a nomination.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 02:06am


I happen to take exception to Tom Lane's comments on this year's nominees:

Again, these are my personal picks, not a prediction.  This is a tough ballot.  The Hall tells its voters to pick 5 names.  But lately they've been inducting 6 acts.  So, consider the Top 6 the ones I would choose.

4. Yes - They were better than Rush.

Sorry Tom, but you are dead wrong on that one. It may be true that Rush had never released an album like "Close To The Edge," Oh wait, yes they did it is called "Hemispheres," or an epic as great as 'Awaken,' oh yes, they did it is called 'Xanadu.' But Rush had never a released albums nearly as atrocious as "Talk," nor "Open Your Eyes."

I don't think that Yes is better than Rush, that is like comparing apples to oranges, both groups are equally great in their own way.

9.  Deep Purple - Hooks and bombast and riffs galore.

Deep Purple has written several great songs, although 'Smoke On The Water,' appears to get most of the attention. Personally, I like 'April' more and feel that either Ian, or David are both great vocalists.

13.  Peter Gabriel - A little too soon after the 2010 Genesis
induction.  But I liked most of his solo records.

I do also, except his second solo record, but a little too soon after Genesis' induction? Really? With the possible exceptions of much of "Selling England By The Pound," except for 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight,' 'Firth Of Fifth' and 'I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe), 'Back In NYC' and 'Counting Out Time,' I like most of his Genesis' input.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 09:58am


Philip/Enigma:

1. Re: Nirvana: When I referenced the "suits on the 10th floor", I was simply lamenting that rock as a music has moved far beyond Nirvana, & how it's a pity the major's aren't letting modern acts be heard (those that aren't copycats, or who lack whatever inroads it takes to get noticed)

2. Re: The Zombies: Whenever I hear "Time of the Season", for some reason I am reminded of the Spirit song "Fresh Garbage", from 1968. The electric piano on that cut resembles the organ on "Time of the Season" in style, though obviously there's a diff. in texture between the instruments. That piano is very jazzy, as is the whole song.

It's interesting to hear the Zombies sound, from "She's Not There" and "Tell Her No", through "Time", and then a few yrs. down the line, with Argent's "Hold Your Head Up". You realize just how much of a hold Rod Argent had w/the group, & how his sound developed between 64 and 72/73.

3. Re: Duran Duran/Lou Reed: I don't think you have to fear Lou Reed really holding anybody back. Strangely enough, I can't see Reed going in solo, unless it is done deliberately to hold back someone else. I wouldn't mind Reed going in solo, but I can't see a big fuss w/in the voting committee over him, as he's already there w/the Velvets.

BTW - Enigma/Philip: What do you think about Argent? They were there when psychedelic turned progressive, though nobody I know mentions them in the same breath as Yes or Crimson or anyone else from the time. Do they fit the prog bill in your worlds, or are they simply ex-hippies stretching out on a psych-trip after the fact?

Actually, I guess this comment is open to anyone w/two valuable cents worth (or one penny, if you're looking to budget).

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 11:13am


"I'm not sure how you're linking Nirvana and the Replacements, or what mentioning the distortion pedal has to do with the Replacements either. Anyway, the way they made the guitars sound angry is only part of the formula."

Bullshit. If you can't see the influence of Paul Westerberg on Kurt Cobain then there's simply no helping you.

Posted by Chalkie on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 12:14pm


Chalkie, if that's what Cheese was trying to say, he took a very convoluted path to saying it, as he makes no reference to the Replacements in his critique of Nirvana, and "see Nirvana above" usually means "the critique of Nirvana also applies as critique of the Replacements". Yeah I hear Westerberg in Cobain, although the Replacements were far from Nirvana's biggest influence either. Also, pretty sure the distortion pedal was around well before the Replacements.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 12:41pm


How much influence did "punk" rock really have on anything? Rush had not started writing shorter songs because of punk; instead, they had been tired of writing 20+ minute long epics. Those epics were too easy for them to write, so naturally they had gravitated towards writing shorter songs.

If you ignore the influence of punk, then progressive rock continues unabated and Duran Duran is not a "new wave band." instead, they are ani "art rock" band.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 18:13pm


Enig - I know that it's almost impossible for you to contemplate a musical scenario where Rush isn't the canter of the universe, but your question fails because of that. the influence of punk has nothing, in any way shape or form, ABSOFREKINGLUTELY NOTHING do with Rush. They don't belong anywhere near the question.

As far as what would happen with Prog if punk hadn't happened: It would've dwindled into an artifactual musical afterthought with a cult following, just like it did in reality. Genres peak and fade. By the time Punk came around Prog had already become a parody of itself, though to be fair, it only took Punk until about 1979 to become a parody of itself. It happens to every genre these days.

Enjoy what you enjoy, just don't try to delude yourself into creating an alternate musical history that's tailored to fit the way you wish things had happened.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 18:52pm


@Cheesecrop-You don't see the correlation between the ever dwindling number of rock stations and these same stations playing the same unimaginative songs? Rockism and AOR. When someone needs to give you a map, GPS and a compass to find that rock music that is still "out there" just not in public view, it sort of proves the point.

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 19:18pm


How much influence did "punk" rock really have on anything? Rush had not started writing shorter songs because of punk; instead, they had been tired of writing 20+ minute long epics. Those epics were too easy for them to write, so naturally they had gravitated towards writing shorter songs.

If you ignore the influence of punk, then progressive rock continues unabated and Duran Duran is not a "new wave band." instead, they are an "art rock" band.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 18:13pm
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You could ignore it if you wanted to, Enigma, but you'd still see a partial ending to prog by the mid-80's. If anything, prog continued unabated, but if punk doesn't get it, metal will. Metal did pretty much draw prog into itself by the mid-80's, when groups like Iron Maiden started doing stuff like "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner". It's actually one of the reasons I questioned you on Tool, as they split the bill here.

In addition, progressive & punk did come together - through metal. Think about Van Halen, who have progressive chops in a metal package, but who also flirted w/punk when they started (that "Atomic Punk" song isn't a joke, from what I understand). Later down the line, think Metallica, who actually were what VH suggested (punk attitude, prog chops in a metal package).

There's a connection, you just have to look. :)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 19:18pm


Art rock and new wave overlap quite a bit.

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 19:21pm


@Cheesecrop-You don't see the correlation between the ever dwindling number of rock stations and these same stations playing the same unimaginative songs? Rockism and AOR. When someone needs to give you a map, GPS and a compass to find that rock music that is still "out there" just not in public view, it sort of proves the point.

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 19:18pm
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I'll start off by noting I do not know where you live, so I can't say which city is stripping down it's rock outlets.

In regards to playing the same unimaginative songs, you ARE absolutely correct. If anything, this only saddens me even more. Modern radio Could rearrange their playlist to reflect the music AS music, but the fear of what this would mean to the pop world is too much for them to bear, I fear. While it's clear that modern radio works according to listener polls & market testing, I'd like to believe someone will step outside the zones of "proper" radio, if only to gain an advantage over a competitor station in a given market.

There's really so much more variety in rock today, & things really Have moved beyond Seattle by miles in the modern world. A Playlist, if you will:

Les Racquet
The Ruby Keeler
Royal Noise
Tame Impala
The Living Things
The Kings of Frog Island
White Wizzard
Rival Sons
Two Gallants
SMB Project

etc., etc.

I'd like to hear someone play an hour of this, as a for example, and open up the phone lines. I think you'd hear a lot of positive feedback.

I'll quit now, while I'm feeling sad...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 11.3.13 @ 19:43pm


'I am familiar with some of Porcupine Tree's work, Steven Wilson's solo work, etc.'

Woohoo! Another PT fan.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 11.8.13 @ 17:53pm


Here is my 'realistic' prediction of who I believe Wenner & co. will be inducting next year:

1. Nirvana. Of course

2. Chic.

3. Linda Ronstadt. It's all about timing, I guess?

4. Cat Stevens. For some reason my crystal ball vision just sees him.

5. N.W.A. Because they would have to have at least one rap/hiphop group.

6. Hall and Oates. Because, given they were not nominated until now, most of the voters will give them a 'first ballot welcome' and shrug and be like, 'yeah, they should have been in a long time ago....'

I'd like to think they would induct 7, since if I'm not mistaken, more nominees than ever this year. I'd also like to think maybe they'll give Link Wray a back-door pass. It will piss off a lot of people, I know. I think its ridiculous itself that they are putting acts that came out during the second half of the 50s outside the 'real listing' with all the people they possibly influenced.

About the hard rock/prog thing, Nirvana while a hard-rock/alternative band, may just represent the hard rock category. I don't want to think about it like that, but its a possibility they will trample over KISS and Deep Purple again. I'm like everybody else. KISS, Deep Purple and Yes do NEED to get in. It's also nice to see Peter Gabriel on the list as well, but I don't see him getting in so soon if its only been 3 1/2 yrs since his former band was inducted (and they had to wait awhile too!). The Zombies would make a great 60s representative too, but for some reason I see this years' inductees list shunning that great groundbreaking decade. (Well, unless you want to include Linda's work with the Stone Poneys lol)

The nominees list was DIFFICULT to narrow down, but then I had to put myself in Jann Wenner's shoes as well as the voters'. We may find out in a month from now who the inductees are, so I have about a month to change my list. As for now, I'm sticking to this one.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 11.11.13 @ 12:39pm


I was very disappointed by Digital Dream Door's analysis of 2014's nomination class:


http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2014.html

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 11.12.13 @ 08:11am


Digital Dream Door's an utter joke.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 11.12.13 @ 12:26pm


I know it's the cool thing around here to trash DDD, but I actually find it to be a pretty good place to start research. Generally I actually find that their lists on Alternative artists, and top songs by said artists are pretty much the same as what gets bandied around on this forum.

I don't agree with every list they make, and generally find their RRHOF nominee writeups to be hit and miss, but it's not a complete joke. Their lists are meant to spark debates. I'm sure Enigmaticus' comments are related to their somewhat harsh critiques of Yes and Peter Gabriel, which I personally disagree with.

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 11.12.13 @ 12:57pm


http://ultimateclassicrock.com/2014-hall-of-fame-readers-poll/

2014 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES – WHO GETS YOUR VOTE?

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.15.13 @ 07:08am


http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/reply/23004/Nominees-Rock-Roll-Hall-Fame-2013-Nominee-Bal#reply-23004

Charles Crossley Jr. has posted the breakdown on the Top of the Charts forum. The only changes that are different from the other breakdowns is that he put artists that the nominee had influence.

Posted by John R.C. on Saturday, 11.16.13 @ 14:58pm


Well, I'd like to think there's a little more than just that- birthdates, birthplaces, dates of death, places of death, causes of death, which noteworthy songs are covers, noteworthy songwriters of noteworthy songs...lots more chances to make errors...

Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Saturday, 11.16.13 @ 16:18pm


Charles, Thank you for your analysis of the nominees.

Here are my picks:
Nirvana
Deep Purple
Yes
Hall&Oates
Peter Gabriel

Otherwise the only group I don't care for on this list is NWA.

Posted by Andrew on Thursday, 10.17.13 @ 20:23pm

Andrew those are a great list of inductees, I would have chosen every one of them.

I am somewhat disturbed by the fact that Kiss is getting so many votes now. I am not a member of the KISS army. I have never purchased a single record of theirs, although I do have to respect them to have had the insight to have chosen Rush as their tour mates in the early days. Of course, that was probably mutually beneficial to both bands.

Even so, given the choice between KISS and Deep Purple, I will always choose Deep Purple.

Linda Ronstadt will probably receive a sympathy vote; she will probably be another lock.

I have no doubt that Nirvana will get the lock, period.

Given the choice between L. L. Cool J., I would choose L.L. Cool J.

Based on recent events, here are my choices for 2014 induction:

1. Yes
2. Deep Purple
3. Peter Gabriel
4. Hall & Oates
5. Nirvana
6. Linda Ronstadt
7. L.L.Cool J.
8. The Zombies

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.17.13 @ 13:27pm


Of course, I would not be upset with either Chic, The Meters, Link Wray, or The Paul Butterfield Blues Band getting in as the either the 5th, or 9th choic; just as long as Yes, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel and Hall & Oates make the induction list as well.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.17.13 @ 13:33pm


Of course, I would not be upset with either Chic, The Meters, Link Wray, or The Paul Butterfield Blues Band getting in as either the 5th, or 9th choice; just as long as Yes, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel and Hall & Oates make the induction list as well.

Ultimately, I would choose 8 and those would be:

Yes
Deep Purple
Peter Gabriel
Hall & Oates
Nirvana
Chic
L.L. Cool J.
The Meters
The Zombies

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.17.13 @ 13:38pm


Yes, I know that I had listed 9 inductees in the previous list. I would not have personally chosen Nirvana, however.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 11.17.13 @ 13:41pm


I concur with Enigmaticus in offering our thanks to Charles Crossley Jr. in presenting his analysis of the Rock Hall nominees for 2014. Few of us fellow posters could do that form of committment to our craft. After looking at the analysis, I am now of the inference that the RRHOF will induct 7 Performers this time out for 2014. 5 of these Performers are, I infer, virtual locks for induction.

Peter Gabriel
Nirvana
N.W.A.
Chic
Linda Ronstadt

These five will be getting their much deserved rewards by the end of this year. In addition, I infer that Dr. Dre will be inducted on his own some time later as a Non-Performer. We are now left with two other artists and/or bands that will be inducted alongside the 5 listed. Right now, I am not certain whom these two will be. Were I to pick two, these would fill my inferred inductee list.

Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Yes

To conclude, I am rather certain these will be the 7 induucted as Performers. Now, there is not a certainty of whom will be inducted apart from the 5 listed above mid-post. Personally, I would induct 15 out of the 16 nominees this year. Paul Butterfield is the one artist I would not induct; indeed, Buterfield's induction is doubtful in this and many years to come. None the less, 5 artists will definitlely be inducted, and I will explain why in a later post. In addition, I plan on making my amendments to the Inductee Rock Rankings fairly soon. Also, I may add some biographical sketches of Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project inductees when the time comes.

Shall make my predictions soon as to whom will induct the 5 virtual locks :),

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Sunday, 11.17.13 @ 22:11pm


The Latest Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Online Fan Poll Results

Total Votes: 1,132,007

01. Kiss 16.13% (182,630 votes)
02. Nirvana 15.82% (179,099 votes)
03. Deep Purple 11.94% (135,210 votes)
04. Yes 10.28% (116,389 votes)
05. Peter Gabriel 8.17% (92,518 votes)
06. Hall and Oates 8.16% (92,344 votes)
07. Linda Ronstadt 6.29% (71,196 votes)
08. Cat Stevens 5.61% (63,544 votes)
09. The Zombies 4% (45,272 votes)
10. N.W.A 3.19% (36,070 votes)
11. The Replacements 2.44% (27,582 votes)
12. LL Cool J 2.07% (23,435 votes)
13. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band 1.81% (20,518 votes)
14. Chic 1.39% (15,751 votes)
15. Link Wray 1.37% (15,497 votes)
16. The Meters 1.32% (14,952 votes)

Future Rock Legends Poll - 830 Votes

01. Nirvana
02. Deep Purple
03. Kiss
04. Peter Gabriel
05. Yes
06. Chic
07. Hall and Oates
08. N.W.A
09. Linda Ronstadt
10. Cat Stevens
11. The Zombies
12. Link Wray
13. The Replacements
14. LL Cool J
15. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
16. The Meters

ESPN Poll - 2516 Votes

01. Kiss
02. Nirvana
03. Deep Purple
04. Hall and Oates
05. N.W.A
06. LL Cool J
07. Peter Gabriel
08. Yes
09. Cat Stevens
10. The Zombies
11. Linda Ronstadt
12. The Replacements
13. Chic
14. Link Wray
15. The Meters
16. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.18.13 @ 06:08am


Yes, kiss Chic! No, don't kiss Chic!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.18.13 @ 06:11am


http://www.today.com/video/today/53294799/#53294799

NBC Today Show - The 2014 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees - Video

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.18.13 @ 06:37am


http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/53300333#53300333

NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams - The 2014 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees - Video

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.18.13 @ 06:39am


Any possibility that they might throw Link Wray into Early Influences? I think it could be possible (although maybe a bit insulting as well).

Posted by Josh on Monday, 11.18.13 @ 12:20pm


It's not a question of whom I would like to see being inducted, it's now just a question of who has deserved induction?

About the 2014 Nominees, Enigmaticus wrote:
   Of course, I would not be upset with either Chic, The Meters, Link Wray, or The Paul Butterfield Blues Band getting in as either the 5th, or 9th choice; just as long as Yes, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel and Hall & Oates make the induction list as well.

Ultimately, I would choose 8 and those would be:

Yes
Deep Purple
Peter Gabriel
Hall & Oates
Chic
The Zombies

Please note, that it is probably inevitable that Nirvana will be inducted, with or without my support, so I did not include them on this list. I would also rather see LL Cool J get the nod than N.W.A.

Now, as far as whom I would choose from the remaining candidates:

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Meters

Therefore, here is my choice list:

Yes
Deep Purple
Peter Gabriel
Hall & Oates
Chic
The Meters
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Zombies




Sunday, 11.17.13 @ 13:38pm
Leave your own comment about the 2014 Nominees here.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 11.19.13 @ 09:02am


I've never heard of or read Digital Dream Door until now, so it was difficult for me to know how big and professional the website is (as well as the commentary).

I pretty much 'got a kick' out of reading their perspective as I agreed with some of the stuff they said about some of the artists/bands. But with some exceptions: Cat Stevens, The Zombies and especially KISS! I'm no member of the KISS army but I still say they have plenty of influence over several and they have been a well dominant figure on the hard rock category. And unlike the summarization at the end of the article I believe that every act on the Nominees list deserves induction one way or the other. I really hope they all get in eventually. (For awhile I was very skeptical about Chic) I'm still a bit borderline on the whole Linda Ronstadt thing, but I say just let her in, and get 'er overwith while they can.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Tuesday, 11.19.13 @ 12:00pm


Jason-
I totally agree, I think KISS is not given the respect they deserve. I'm have never been a fan of KISS, but I understand the influence and impact they had on music.
I think a lot of critics have a hard time getting over the costumes, makeup, etc. of KISS and ignore what their true influence is. And their true influence is they made people want to pick up an instrument and start a band.

Posted by Ryan on Tuesday, 11.19.13 @ 23:44pm


7 INDUCTEES PREDICTIONS FOR 2014 RRHOF:

CHIC
HALL AND OATES
NIRVANA
N.W.A.
LINDA RONSTADT
LINK WRAY
THE ZOMBIES

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 11.21.13 @ 17:27pm


Nirvana because, lets face it, they influenced countless bands and probably stand as the second biggest influential Rock band from the 90's (Possibly behind Radiohead).

N.W.A. for the Hip Hop vote, though LL Cool J has been waiting for some time.

Kiss, if for any other reason then to shut Gene Simmons the hell up. Don't get me wrong they have their influence, but I can think of a few other 70's Hard Rock bands not in that deserves it more.

The Replacements for that 80's Alt. Rock rep.

The Zombies for that 60's Psychedelic Rock Rep.

Almost gave Yes a vote for the Prog rep,

Posted by Jeff J Dotson on Thursday, 11.21.13 @ 20:08pm


The only thing I find disappointing is the lack of R&B nominees. I would've gladly seen the Paul Butterfield Blues Band taken out for someone like the Spinners, War, Barry White, Chaka Khan, the Commodores, Bill Withers, Janet Jackson, or Whitney Houston.

news.yahoo.com/rock-roll-hall-fame-becoming-racist-170700082.html

Posted by Donnie

The RRHOF has gotten to the point that they don't even PRETEND to want R&B inductees. How does Chic, KISS ,LL Cool J, and others merit repeat nominations,while The Marvelettes, The Spinners,Mary Wells and Rufus don't...and many other deserving R&B acts don't get nominated AT ALL ?? (The Commodores,Jr Walker & The All-Stars,Dionne Warwick, Lou Rawls, Barry White,The Dramatics, The Chi-Lites,The Manhattans, Gene Chandler, Jerry Butler, Brook Benton, Chuck Jackson,Ben E.King,The Delfonics,The Stylistics, The Intruders, Joe Simon, The Dominoes,Patti LaBelle & The Blue-Belles/LaBelle, and many others ?) What's with all of the Rappers getting nominated and inducted ahead of all of THESE LEGENDS ???

Posted by Bill G on Tuesday, 11.26.13 @ 12:20pm


December has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.1.13 @ 06:11am


Of the 16 nominees, I think that these artists will be amongst the 2014 inductees:


NIRVANA
YES
DEEP PURPLE
PETER GABRIEL
HALL & OATES
LINDA RONSTADT



Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.1.13 @ 09:19am


December has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.1.13 @ 06:11am

You are correct, Roy. It is in fact...December 1st.

Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 12.1.13 @ 10:42am


If I were to speculate about which artists might also make that list, I would probably include Chic.

Therefore, here are my final predictions:

YES
DEEP PURPLE
PETER GABRIEL
HALL & OATES
LINDA RONSTADT
NIRVANA
CHIC

As I have said many times before, I would not be upset with either The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Meters, Link Wray, or The Zombies getting in, just as long as: Yes, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel and Hall & Oates are inducted also.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.1.13 @ 13:48pm


Yes Roy, it is indeed December. December is a most important month for all who dwell in this world in which we live in. Not only in respect to our Christmas/Hannukah/Kwanzaa/Ramadan/Solstice holidays, but also this is the month we will find out whom will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for theclass of 2014. As of now, I do not know what non-performers and other side categories will be inducted. I do however infer there will be at least 5 inductees going in as performers.

Peter Gabriel
Nirvana
N.W.A.
Chic
Linda Ronstadt

Now, I will infer that there will indeed be more than 5 inductees to be rewarded by December 11. In a nod to our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project, there may be 7 inductees as Performers this year. Should this happen, the remaining two will be the following.

Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Yes

If it is only 6 inductees, however, Yes will be the sixth inductee. What then of the other 9? Well, I could legitimately see The Meters be inducted as sidemen; similar to our Revisited/Projected Project. I am not sure when this will happen though.

Link Wray: he might posthumously get inducted as an Influence thismyear. Though I would prefer the main category.

Kiss: they might just go in if everything is run smoothly. Knowing Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley, though, there are no guarantees to have everything run smoothly. In my opionion, inducting only the original 4 is quite insulting to the 80s and beyond band memebers. Partcularly I would not be pleased were I a relative of either Eric Carr or Marc St. John, whom have passed away. That oversight, alone, would give me pause to induct Kiss at this time.

LL Cool J: Mr. Smith's time will come. I just do not hink this will be the year. The fallout of The Accidental Racist might have set an induction back for a year. I will say, it is not that terrible of a song lyrically. Yet the concept is rather bizarre.

Deep Purple: A Deep Purple induction, honestly, hinges on the involvement of Ritchie Blackmore and/or the living current band members willing to be in the same room with Blackmore. Fellow posters, a reunion of the remaining Mach II just is not going to happen. If it did not occur after Jon Lord died, then it is never going to occur. Plus, David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes are outrightly hated by Ian Gillan. And, what can be agreed upon: no longterm Deep Purple member will want to even acknowledge Rod Evans; not after what Evans did to sully their mutual reputations at the time. Also, I would include Don Airey and Steve Morse as inducted band members. So there are problems in all areas, which may never get resolved.

The Replacements: if this were any other year, The Replacements would be virtual locks. As is, Tommy Stinson and Co. will have to wait at least another year.

Daryl Hall and John Oates: They could go in. Yet, the other people on the ballot have been just as influential, if not more so for 12 of the 16. I am pleased that Hall and Oates are now finally getting serious consideration though.

The Zombies: I am pleased the Zombies are nominated. They will likely not be inducted this year, however. Perhaps in the next two years or so. Blunstone and Argent still tour together; so that is a positive sign.

Paul Butterfield: We did not induct Butterfield into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. Thus, we can only assume that Paul Butterfield was again Jann Wenner's personal pick. Also, the biographical sketch on the RRHOF website barely mentions Butterfield at all. Instead, it focuses on his longtime bandmates, the Blues Band. Even then, the focus is on Mike Bloomfield. I feel it would have been more intellectually honest if Mike Bloomfield was posthumously nominated as a Performer; or even inducted as a Sideman, as was done in our Revisited/Projected Project. Nominating Paul Butterfield and the Blues Band and only passively mentioning Butterfield while focusing on others really does cheapen the nomination of the artist in question. It also bellitles the band members, partcularly Bloomfield. And, it may be just me, but Born In Chicago sounds like a carbon copy of Crossroads; despite Crossroads being completed 2 years later.

Once again, I infer 7 will be inducted. With 5 guaranteed an induction in full. The five guaranteed inductees are:

Peter Gabriel
Nirvana
N.W.A.
Chic
Linda Ronstadt

If there is a sixth spot:

Yes

If there is a seventh spot:

Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)

Well, that is my inferences, opinions, and knowledge of what will transpire by Next Wendsday. I will also mention the lack of R&B this year. This should hopefully be clarified by next year, though. I will explain why in a later time.

I am interested to see who will show up amongst the 7 inductees,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Sunday, 12.1.13 @ 22:28pm


It will be 9 more days til the ballot for the 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ends. By the mean time, I will post my final predictions for the 2014 inductees for the performer category. My prediction is the same as the ones from Tom Lane's blog, but here my viewpoints on why they will be inducted this year and it is a safe bet that they will induct six this year. Here are my final prediction for the 2014 inductees:

Nirvana - No explanation

Chic - A nominee with 8 nominations is a lock for induction

Linda Ronstadt - Just like Donna Summer, she will be another nominee that will be inducted for sympathy vote

Deep Purple - Probably the only influential "Rockist favorite snub" on the ballot that has a chance of being inducted

Yes - It seems that whenever a prog act is on the ballot for the first time, they will automatically be inducted

Link Wray - He influenced many inducted guitarists (and Iggy Pop) that they will vote for him. The only obstacle for him is if he is inducted as an Early Influence since the hall might start putting artist who started from the 50s in there


Alternate (7s) for those who might take Link's place if he is inducted as an Early Influence or if the Hall might be inducting 7 this year:

Peter Gabriel - Like prog, whenever they nominate an act that is heading for second induction will automatically be inducted (with the exception of Eric Clapton, Neil Young, Stephen Stills and David Crosby)

N.W.A. - The only influential Hip Hop acts on the ballot, but with other influential acts on the ballot, it will be hard for them

KISS - The Facebook page supporting KISS's induction claims that they had better chance getting inducted if they are first in the fan ballot, but there might be more voters since the 2010 ballot that they will have a chance for induction

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - Since 2012, the Hall might start having a Blues slot for induction class


There you have it, my final prediction for the 2014 inductees. I hope that the 2015 ballot will be great as the 2014 ballot.

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 12.2.13 @ 00:31am


Those are great choices, John R. C.

Deep Purple has the advantage of having originally been a "progressive rock" band.

Deep Purple and Yes have been endorsed numerous times by the members of Rush. I fully expect Lars Ulrich to induct Deep Purple and all three members of Rush to induct Yes.

The only question left is who will induct Peter Gabriel?

Next year should be even more interesting.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 12.2.13 @ 07:47am


Who I want to go in:

Nirvana
Deep Purple
Yes
Peter Gabriel
Hall and Oates
Link Wray

If there is a 7th: The Zombies

Who I think will actually go in:
Nirvana
Yes
Chic
Linda Rondstat (God I hope I'm wrong)
Peter Gabriel
Deep Purple

If there is a 7th: N.W.A

Link Wray as an Early Influence

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 18:15pm


Here is whom I would like to see present the 2014 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees. That is to say, whom I infer will be inducted about one week from tonight.

Peter Gabriel: This is rather interesting. Prior to his death, I assumed Lou Reed was going to present Gabriel, considering their shared paths in music and activism. Now it is open to other followers and contemporaries. I think Arcade Fire, or at least Win Butler, would be a fitting choice to present. Other potential presenters include Bono, Laurie Anderson, Michael Stipe, Youssour N'Dour, Sarah McLachlan, Sting, amongst others. Admittedly, my preference would be one of his Genesis bandmates; possibly Phil Collins. For now, Arcade Fire I think is the leading act to present Peter Gabriel.

Nirvana: It should fittingly belong to a noted Seattle based artist to do the honor of presenting Nirvana. I would actually think Soundgarden would be a very exquisite choice. Although I could also see Pearl Jam, U2, Tori Amos, Pat Smear, Meat Puppets, Stephen Malkmus, or even Neil Young to present Nirvana. It is anyone's guess, yet I think it may go to Pat Smear.

N.W.A.: Some potential presenters include Wiz Khallifa, Lupe Fiasco, Jay-Z, Ice-T, Snoop Lion, Nicki Manaj, Sean Combs, and a whole slew of r&b and rock artists that owe a great deal of their success to N.W.A. Of whom I have named, it may likely be Snoop Lion that gets the likelihood to present.

Chic: Daft Punk would be the most obvious choice to present Chic. Barring them, Pharrell Williams would be a close second. I can assure fellow posters that the list of presenters for Chic has been narrowed to these two artists and acts.

Linda Ronstadt: I can think of quite a few presenters for linda Ronstadt. In particular interet would be Emmylou Harris, possibly also Dolly Parton. i could also see Don Henley doing the honors. Others include Jackson Browne, Michael Nesmith, and perhaps out of left field; a crossover artist like Carrie Underwood. The best likelihood right now is possibly Don Henley, and perhaps Glenn Frey as part of The Eagles.

Yes: I would agree with the idea of Rush presenting Yes for their induction. Interestingly, I can legitimately see Trey Anastasio presenting Yes, and Phish performing. Rush however would seem to be the more probable choice.

Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens): I think Rick Rubin would be an interesting choice to present Yusuf Islam, considering the forthcoming album being worked on. Coldplay could also be a potential presenter, or at least Chris Martin. This can be a little difficult though. Many others are likely to be considered. The ttwo aforementioned are the leading presenters in how my view this matter.

Now, I have only focused on fellow artists and followers. Indeed, it is very possible other noted celebrities and noted figures could do the honors of presenting these probable RRHOF inductees. In a later post, I will possibly explain who these could be.

In another matter, who would show up. I would expect Peter Gabriel, Linda Ronstadt and Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) to attend and make a speech individually. I firmly expect ile Rodgers to be there representing Chic. Regarding N.W.A., I am not too sure if Dr. Dre will attend. Dre, after all, will likely be inducted on his own at a later date. I can see Ice Cube, DJ Yella and MC Ren being there, along with Eazy-E's surviving family. For Nirvana, Courtney Love and/or Frances Bean Cobain will show up and make speeches; though they might not perform. Krist Novoselic will also show up. Dave Grohl is a question mark: I think he will wait until Foo Fighters are indcuted to give his acceptance speech. Finally, Yes may likely have a reunion of many of its living members. Sadly, Peter Banks did not live to see an induction occur in Banks' lifetime. Unlike the Deep [urple connundrum, the former and current Yesmen seem to at least otlerate each other if given the opportunity. The only two former mombers I could see not come are Bill Bruford and Patrick Moraz. Bruford may rather wait until King Crimson is inducted. In addition, I think Moraz had a greater long term input with the Moody Blues that he will wait until the Moodies are in. Everyone else will attend, and likely perform.

Only one more week of waiting,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 22:51pm


Tom H.,

Those are great induction lists; thank you for posting them.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 22:57pm


If I were to speculate about which artists might also make that list, I would probably include Chic.

Therefore, here are my final predictions:

YES
DEEP PURPLE
PETER GABRIEL
HALL & OATES
LINDA RONSTADT
NIRVANA
CHIC

As I have said many times before, I would not be upset with either The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Meters, Link Wray, or The Zombies getting in, just as long as: Yes, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel and Hall & Oates are inducted also.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 23:00pm


Favorite song by each of the nominees:
Nirvana - "You Know You're Right"
Chic - Dance, Dance, Dance
Deep Purple - Perfect Strangers
Kiss - Psycho Circus
Hall & Oates - Adult Education
The Replacements - can't name a song
Peter Gabriel - Digging in the Dirt
LL Cool J - Around the Way Girl
Link Wray - can't name a song
The Meters -can't name a song
N.W.A - can't name a song
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - can't name a song
The Zombies - Time of the Season
Cat Stevens - Sitting
Yes - And You and I
Linda Ronstadt - When Will I Be Loved

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 23:04pm


Great idea for a poll.

Paul Butterfield Blues Band--Born In Chicago
Chic--Good Times
Deep Purple--Woman From Tokyo
Peter Gabriel--Solsbury Hill
Daryl Hall And John Oates--Jingle Bell Rock
KISS--Heaven's On Fire
LL Cool J--Mama Said Knock You Out
Meters--Cissy Strut
Nirvana--Smells Like Teen Spirit
N.W.A.--A Bitch Iz A Bitch
Replacements--I'll Be You
Linda Ronstadt--Different Drum
Cat Stevens--If You Want To Sing Out, Sing Out
Link Wray--Rumble
Yes--Your Move (I've Seen All Good People)
Zombies--I Love You

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 23:43pm


I concur wholeheartedly with this idea, classic Rock& Philip. Therefore, here is my list:

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band: ?
Chic: Good Times
Deep Purple: April
Peter Gabriel: Games Without Frontiers
Hall & Oates: Maneater
Linda Ronstadt: You're No Good
Cat Stevens: Morning Has Broken
Kiss: Beth
Nirvana: Heart-Shaped Box
LL Cool J: ?
N.W.A.: ?
The Replacements: ?
The Meters: ?
Link Wray: ?
Yes: Awaken
The Zombies: Time Of The Season

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.5.13 @ 01:27am


Last year's list would have looked something like this:

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band: ?
Chic: Good Times
Deep Purple: April
Heart: Crazy On You
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts: ?
Albert King: Born Under A Bad Sign
Kraftwerk: ?
The Marvelettes: Please Mr.Postman
The Meters: ?
Randy Newman: I Love L.A.
N.W.A.: ?
Procol Harum: The Grand Hotel
Public Enemy: ?
Rush: Xanadu (Exit.. Stage Left version)
Donna Summer: MacArthur Park

Public Enemy

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.5.13 @ 01:41am


What a great idea. I concur completely with Classic Rock and Philip regarding this list, although I am hard pressed to name more than a few songs by any artists, with the possible exceptions of: Yes, Peter Gabriel abpnd Deep Purple.

As far as Yes is concerned, I would definitely choose the "Keys To Ascension" version of 'Awaken' as my favorite Yes song.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 12.5.13 @ 01:51am


My most favored songs amongst the 2014 nominees would likely be as follows:


Peter Gabriel - Red Rain
Nirvana - All Apologies
N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton
Chic - A Warm Summer's Night
Linda Ronstadt - The Blue Train
Yes - Awaken
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) - Angelsea
Kiss - Detroit Rock City
LL Cool J - Doin It
Deep Purple - Woman From Tokyo
Link Wray - Rumble
The Replacements - Bastards Of Young
Daryl Hall and John Oates - Adult Education
The Zombies - Changes
The Meters - Just Kissed My Baby
Paul Butterfield - East-West

These remember are personal favorites, not signature songs per se,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Thursday, 12.5.13 @ 21:43pm


My favorite songs from this year's nominees....

Paul Butterfield Blues Band- "Born in Chicago"
Chic- "Good Times"
Deep Purple- "Space Truckin"
Peter Gabriel- "Steam"
Hall & Oates- "I Can't Go for That (No Can Do)" ("She's Gone" a very close second)
KISS- "Shout it Out Loud"
LL Cool J- "Loungin" (Remix version)
The Meters- "Hey Pocky A-Way"
Nirvana- "Come as You Are"
N.W.A.- "Straight Outta Compton"
The Replacements- "Unsatisfied"
Linda Ronstadt- "When Will I Be Loved"
Cat Stevens- "Peace Train"
Link Wray- "Rumble"
Yes- "Roundabout"
The Zombies- "Time of the Season"

Posted by Donnie on Friday, 12.6.13 @ 07:55am


This is too much fun not to participate!
Here are my favorites from the nominees:

Paul Butterfield: ?
Chic: I Want Your Love
Deep Purple: Child In Time
Peter Gabriel: Biko
Hall and Oates: You Make My Dreams
Kiss: Beth
LL Cool J: Mama Said Knock You Out
The Meters: Cissy Strut
Nirvana: In Bloom
N.W.A.: F*ck The Police
The Replacements: I Will Dare
Linda Ronstadt: Blue Bayou
Cat Stevens: Tough one...maybe On The Road to Find Out
Link Wray: Rumble
Yes: TIE: And You And I/ Heart of the Sunrise
The Zombies: This Will Be Our Year

Posted by Josh on Friday, 12.6.13 @ 09:57am



Tough to pick just one from some of thes groups but here goes nothing:

Paul Butterfield: Born in Chicago
Chic: Good Times
Deep Purple: Highway Star
Peter Gabriel: Solsbury Hill
Hall and Oates: Private Eyes (guilty pleasure of mine)
Kiss: Rock and Roll All Night (Live Version)
LL Cool J: Mama Said Knock You Out
The Meters: Only just got into them so I can't pick a favorite (I like what I've heard so far though)
Nirvana: All Apologies
N.W.A.: Straight Outta Compton
The Replacements: ?
Linda Ronstadt: Blue Bayou
Cat Stevens: Morning Has Broken
Link Wray: Rumble
Yes: Starship Trooper (do I have to pick just one)
The Zombies: She's Not There

Posted by Tom H. on Friday, 12.6.13 @ 11:38am


Paul Butterfield: East-West
Chic: Everybody Dance
Deep Purple: Smoke On The Water
Peter Gabriel: Shock The Monkey
Hall and Oates: Method of Modern Love
Kiss: Rocket Ride (so many to choose from)
LL Cool J: Mama Said Knock You Out
The Meters: don't have one
Nirvana: All Apologies
N.W.A.: don't have one
The Replacements: I Will Dare
Linda Ronstadt: Different Drum plus the opening riff of 'When Will I Be Loved'
Cat Stevens: Matthew and Son
Link Wray: Rumble
Yes: Roundabout
The Zombies: She's Not There

Posted by Jason Voigt on Friday, 12.6.13 @ 11:45am


Today on 'That Metal Show' was the episode about their criticisms for the RRHOF. This episode I guess originally aired two years ago when they were talking about the 2012 inductees. Sadly, very little has changed since, although Deep Purple and Kiss are now getting their attention on the ballot and the fans are taking great advantage of voting. Rush, who they also highlighted, is of course in. But what about the others?

Posted by Jason Voigt on Friday, 12.6.13 @ 11:50am


Here are some of my favourites:

Paul Butterfield Blues Band: Nothing
Chic: Good Times
Deep Purple: Dead or Alive
Peter Gabriel: Sledgehammer
Hall and Oates: Maneater
Kiss: Detroit Rock City
LL Cool J: Nothing
The Meters: Nothing
Nirvana: Lithium
N.W.A.: F*ck the Police
The Replacements: Nowhere is My Home
Linda Ronstadt: You're No Goof
Cat Stevens: Peace Train
Link Wray: Rumble
Yes: Roundabout
The Zombies: Tell Her No

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 12.8.13 @ 11:35am


I'm only listing songs for the nominees I like and have enough albums/singles from in my collection, as I either haven't had enough exposure to the others (Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Meters, LL Cool J, Chic, The Zombies, KISS, The Replacements) or I flat-out despise them (Linda Ronstadt, NWA, Cat Stevens, Nirvana, Deep Purple).

Hall & Oates: Crime Pays
Link Wray and The Raymen: Jack the Ripper
Peter Gabriel: Shock the Monkey

If the Hall ignores the Early Influence category again this year, that will be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back for me in regards to how seriously I take them.

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 12.8.13 @ 19:39pm


Here are my favorite songs by this year's class of Nominees:

Peter Gabriel: In Your Eyes
Hall & Oates: You Make My Dreams
LL Cool J: Rock The Balls
Paul Butterfield Blues Band: Get Out of My Life, Woman
The Zombies: She's Not There
KISS: Reason To Live
Deep Purple: Child In Time
N.W.A: Express Yourself
Chic: Good Times
Cat Stevens: Morning Has Broken
The Meters: Good Old Funky Music
The Replacements: Achin' To Be
Linda Ronstadt: When Will I Be Loved
Link Wray: Be What You Want To
Nirvana: Come As You Are
Yes: Yours Is No Disgrace

Oh, and Enigmaticus, I have often throught that Rush is Canada's answer to Cream, but, they also a little Lead Zeppelin in them too mainly because when I hear Getty Lee sing, I can hear echos of Robert Plant in his voice.

Posted by Andrew on Sunday, 12.8.13 @ 23:15pm


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog.php#unique-entry-id-298

Our predictions for the 2014 Inductees: Nirvana, Kiss, Linda Ronstadt, Yes, Chic and The Zombies.

Posted by FRL on Monday, 12.9.13 @ 23:57pm


Tomorrow will be the day voting ends and the ballot will be due. In the meantime, I will predict the sub-categories for induction.

As always, the Hall will always induct non-performers every year. I think the most obvious non-performer inductee will Burt Bacharach & Hal Davis. It might be too early, but I want to see Rick Rubin inducted.

The Early Influence is an interesting induction process when it comes to picking inductees, but if he doesn't get enough votes, then Link Wray might be shafted to the Early Influence (which I'm against). If they to pre-1950s artists, then I would pick Sister Rosetta Tharpe as an Early Influence inductee.

Mostly I think the renaming of the Sidemen category to "Award For Musical Excellency" could be a perfect way of what we in FRL called "Influence Rock Era". If they go to a "Leon Russell" type induction and some of you might find it weird, then I think this will be a perfect induction for Carole King. If they go to the more traditional Sidemen induction, then I think Bob Babbit is perfect prediction for induction.

It will be really interesting of who will be announced (besides Nirvana) as inductees for the ceremony and hope that the "Rockist" complaint will be lowered every year.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 12.10.13 @ 00:54am


Regarding the wonderful realm of progressive rock:

In the beginning, there was The Moody Blues, originally a rhythm and blues outfit from Birmingham, England. After a few years, their style had changed abruptly. Instead of writing about what was accepted, they had decided to write songs about their own experiences.

On the other side of the pond was Jefferson Airplane, they had also decided to write songs from their own experiences. As far as i am concerned, Justin Hayward is the father of "prog" and the mother of "prog" is Grace Slick. Of course, there were also bands, such as: Procol Harum, Cream, The
Who, Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention and The Beatles who were starting to become more experimental with their music.

Mike Pinder of The Moody Blues had decided to add orchestration to Justin Hayward's songs and via a device called the Mellotron, had enhanced Justin's songs. Meanwhile, Grace Slick had written a song called 'White Rabbit' and Paul McCartney had written a song called 'Eleanor Rigby.' Procol Harum had written a song called 'A Whiter Shade Of Pale,' based on a work by Johann Sebastian Bach.

Between 1966 and 1970 other artists had formed which would begin to emulate these pioneers: Pink Floyd, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes, Rush, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Supertramp, Kansas and Styx.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.10.13 @ 09:15am


Still sticking to my guns to my 6 predicted 2014 nominees:

Nirvana
Linda Ronstadt
Chic
N.W.A.
Hall & Oates
Cat Stevens

I'd love to see another hard rock/prog band get in, but for some reason I just see some of the past overlooked get in right away (Ronstadt, Hall & Oates). Plus I see them putting another rap/hip hop act on there, be it LL or NWA. Cat Stevens for some reason just pops up in my random crystal ball.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Tuesday, 12.10.13 @ 14:14pm


So Ronstadt is ninth in the FRL's poll of the nominees? But naturally she just must be inducted? Ha! It never fails.

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 12.10.13 @ 16:55pm


I think my final 6 predicted nominees are as follows:

Nirvana
Chic
Deep Purple
Linda Ronstadt
Yes
The Zombies

If Chic doesn't finish in the top 6 for voters, then maybe there will be 7 inductees with Chic being the 7th.

Which would open up either Peter Gabriel or KISS.


The more I think about it, I think the Hall will skip rap this year with there being so many big rock omissions on the ballot, the Hall will play catch-up this year.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 12.10.13 @ 17:32pm


Interesting that people think rap will be omitted. It could be. I suspect however, that they will instead ignore the earlier rock. They've been slowly moving away from it. Albert King qualifies as a '60s act, but he was also a '70s artist, and had a lot of success during that time too.

As far as the other categories...I hope they go for either the Ravens or Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Sister Rosetta would be an excellent EI inductee, especially if they don't induct Linda Ronstadt (for female representation) or any of the African-American artists (for minority representation). N-P's...really a crapshoot. They finally got Quincy Jones in, so glaring omissions of yore could be on the docket... thinking either Dr. Robert Moog or Wolfman Jack... maybe go back to a songwriting effort, and I still think Bachrach and David would be a poor choice, but also an unlikely one. I think if they do go for songwriters, I think they'd tip the hat to the counter-cultural scene and go for Steve Barri And P.F. Sloan. Unfortunately, I doubt they'll go for my pet cause of Bernie Lowe. They'd need to induct a Cameo or Parkway artist before I'd seriously think they were gonna induct him. Ah well. Musical Excellence... anyone's guess.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.10.13 @ 20:55pm


Well, Future Rock Legends have predicted their 6 inductees into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame Class of 2014. This comes on the same day all ballots were to be sent in, and the fan ballot ended. I suppose we should start with the knowledge that there will be at least 6 inductees. Hopefully, there will be more than 6 this coming election. However, I agree with only 4 of the 6 predicted inductees FRL has named.

Nirvana
Chic
Linda Ronstadt
Yes

Were it to go to only 6, the other two artists I infer will be inducted for 2014 are:

Peter Gabriel
N.W.A.

Peter Gabriel is already a recipient of the Polar Music Prize, music's equivalent to the Nobel Prize. Also, combining his social-political-economic influence, his importance in bringing these issues to the world without negative coonotations: and Peter Gabriel's recent input of new material forthcoming. Then Gabriel is a virtual lock for induction.

N.W.A. was voted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Class of 2014. On their own accord, N.W.A. has been ranked among the 100 greatest artists of all time in both the VH1 and Rolling Stone presentations. As well, Dr. Dre will be inducted as a non-performer a few years from now. They are a virtual lock, and morso due to their Hip-Hop/R&B importance.

Now onto a matter which has come to my attention. Normally, the induction announcement occurs within 48 hours after the ballots are turned in. This year, it will be one week from now, December 17, 2013. This leads me to infer of certain circumstances as to why this will be later than usual.

Less than a week ago, Nelson Mandela passed away at age 95. Having grown up in the Anti-Apartheid movement of the 80s and 90s; myself and others became fully aware of what rock music could do to bring a lasting change in the lives of all. Quite a number of the nominated artists were involved in these ideals. Peter Gabriel is perhaps the one most drectly involved, having brought forth a partnership with Mandela in creating The Elders. Indeed, Gabriel was present at today's memorial service for Nelson Mandela. The time to reconsider whom is to be inducted into the RRHOF has plausibly come: with the focus likely being on inducting artists that are not only good, but also have changed our world in which we live in.

The other reason I infer for the later announcement is due to the obvious connundrum of just whom to induct. It is very possible that when the ballots are counted, the ballots themselves will be scattershot in their approach. That is to say, no two ballots will be alike, let alone any ballot will be like the fan ballot. I could see a situation unfold in which more than 6 artists will be inducted. As a fellow poster said, nearly all nominees could be inducted as a means of correcting oversights. I am certain an expansion of inductees can happen. Indeed, I infer we can see a potential likelihood of 12 inductees as performers.

Peter Gabriel
Nirvana
N.W.A.
Chic
Linda Ronstadt
Yes
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Kiss
LL Cool J
Deep Purple
Link Wray
The Replacements

Once again, the 12 artists listed herein can likely be all inducted at once. This would come as no surprise. It does bring forth another week of speculation as to whom will officially be inducted. Yet, I infer once 12/17/2013 comes, we all will be highly satisfied and in wonderment of the eclectic and lengthy class of inductees presented. More than 6 inductees has happened before, and will happen again.

Now is the time for The Specials to reunite their classic line-up,

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Tuesday, 12.10.13 @ 22:03pm


I remember last year they literally waited until that same week to announce the inductees and even then it was skeptical about the dates but I guess they're satisfied with the final results. Can't wait for the results. I have a feeling both Deep Purple and KISS will get in just so purists would shut up about the committee ignoring them all this time.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.10.13 @ 22:41pm


Lax, you are the breathing definition of "specious logic." Mandela's death has absolutely nothing to do with the delayed announcement. We do know however, that sometimes the committees for the other categories don't meet until either after the votes have been counted, or at least when enough of them have been counted to project inductees. We know this, because this is how Wanda Jackson and Freddie King ended up Early Influences, after failing to garner enough Performer votes. Also the ballots may only have to be postmarked by today, not necessarily received. It could be any number of things, those are just alternatives.

And 12 inductees? Please.. That'd be just cruel to the four that didn't make it.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.10.13 @ 22:55pm


If I were to speculate about which artists might also make that list, I would probably include Chic.

Therefore, here are my final predictions:

YES
DEEP PURPLE
PETER GABRIEL
HALL & OATES
LINDA RONSTADT
NIRVANA
CHIC

If 8,

THE ZOMBIES

Of course,

Link Wray could always end up being inducted as an early influence as well.


As I have said many times before, I would not be upset with either The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Meters, Link Wray, or The Zombies getting in, just as long as: Yes, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel and Hall & Oates are inducted also.
Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 23:00pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.11.13 @ 08:29am


For the record, we don't believe Link Wray will be inducted as an Early Influence. If he gets in it will be as a Performer. Sure, the Rock Hall has screwed this up before (and still could), but hopefully they would get it right this time.

Posted by FRL on Wednesday, 12.11.13 @ 16:59pm


Rumors are that KISS are in and also that Link Wray is in as an Early Influence (basing the latter on a Wiki edit on the inductees list a few days back...it's either that or a sly Hall watcher). I wouldn't mind these shitty backdoor inductions so much if the category were simply titled Influences. Early Influences makes zero sense for people like Wray, Freddie King and Wanda Jackson.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 12.12.13 @ 06:17am


Casper, as the years pass, their era gets earlier and earlier :-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 12.12.13 @ 07:45am


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees

Someone put Link Wray in as an early influence on Wiki

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.12.13 @ 07:47am


Roy: I'm surprised that hasn't been removed yet. Strangely enough, the anonymous user who added it doesn't appear to be a troll or vandal, as they've made several legitimate edits, mostly to articles about New Zealand rugby. I'm not seeing anything else on the internet about it, though, so I'm going to assume it's just wishful thinking for now.

Posted by Idlewild on Thursday, 12.12.13 @ 08:54am


Eddie Trunk hints KISS is in but Deep Purple is out.

Posted by Tim on Thursday, 12.12.13 @ 20:57pm


casper, not only would Link Wray be a bad EI induction, he'd be a bad Influence induction. Wanda, you could argue was more country than rock. Freddie was straight-laced blues. But Link Wray is rock 'n' roll through and through. The only category he should be in is Performer.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.12.13 @ 21:22pm


Eddie Trunk tweeted the comment about three long overdue bands (DP, Kiss, Yes) not making it in the same year. So he is saying that a Kiss induction immediately rules out the other two? Did he hear this through the grapevine, or is it just his opinion? I'm not sure.

Posted by Deb on Saturday, 12.14.13 @ 09:37am


Hi Deb,

Eddie Trunk's comment caught me totally off guard. Of course, he claims to be a fan of KISS since their very early days. I am hoping that the inductees are: Yes, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel and Hall & Oates. I really do not have any conceivable idea, how you would induct KISS as anything other than showmen and marketing mavens. When it comes to actual talent and influence on other musicians, Deep Purple is ubiquitous. Of course, there have been 4 great vocalists for Deep Purple: Rod Evans, Ian Gillan, David Coverdale and Glenn Hughes. If Deep Purple gets the induction, does this open up the possibility for Whitesnake? If KISS does get in, does this mean that Twisted Sister is next?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 12.14.13 @ 15:43pm


Enigmaticus, I'm wondering if Eddie heard something about Kiss from Rick Krim, an EVP at VH1 who also happens to be on the RRHOF nominating committee. I hope Eddie was just being sarcastic in his remarks about Deep Purple and Yes. I'm a long-time fan of DP. I agree, they had some of the greatest rock vocalists and musicians, too: Ritchie Blackmore, Jon Lord and Ian Paice. I don't dislike Kiss, and I think many of their fans also voted for DP and Yes on the RRHOF ballot. But you're right, Kiss are basically showmen and marketing mavens....and DP and Yes are bands that play, sing, and write at a level that Kiss will never reach. Can you imagine Deep Purple or Yes selling caskets and cremation urns?

Posted by Deb on Saturday, 12.14.13 @ 19:27pm


Deb, I think Eddie Trunk is just lamenting the fact that RRHoF is not rockist enough. The classes that get inducted are generally a little bit more well-rounded than their wet dream of all-guitar bands that can shred. Even the few years that were without a racial minority, there's a bit more rounding out than rockists generally care for: In 2003, they inducted a reggae-influenced rock band, a rock act with hugely bluesy roots, and a blue-eyed soul duo; in 2008, they inducted a dance music diva; in 2012, they inducted a blue-eyed soul songstress, a rap act, and a rock act that often incorporated rap-styled delivery. Trunk and his ilk want the inducted class to exactly mirror the Current FRL poll results above: Nirvana, Yes, KISS, Deep Purple, and Peter Gabriel. I agree that it's highly unlikely for DP, Kiss, and Yes to get inducted all in the same year, but I don't think that's an inherently bad thing either. Then again, 2006 saw the inductions of Black Sabbath, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and the Sex Pistols together, so who knows?

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.14.13 @ 23:44pm


Yeah, I agree with Philip that Eddie Trunk was basically commenting on the state of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and how they choose their inductees. Aka: no class is ever gonna have solely classic rock groups. Meaning it's pretty unlikely that KISS, Yes, and Deep Purple will all get inducted at once. It's not entirely impossible as if they do go with six inductees, Nirvana would also be inducted, and they could round it out with a female artist (Linda Ronstadt), and then an R&B or rap act (Chic, or NWA/LL Cool J). But it's still unlikely.

The Hall likes to be more diverse in their classes, so it's rare that they induct a good amount of artists that fit in the same category. There's never been more than one rap inductee, usually no more than two R&B inductees, one 50's/60's inductee usually at the most, usually one singer-songwriter, and no more than two artists that fit in the "classic rock/metal" category.

So the chances of Yes, KISS, and Deep Purple all getting in at once is pretty slim. Especially considering there's so many worthy artists in other categories on the ballot.

So Eddie's comment was a sarcastic insult at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for not having a sole classic rock/metal class of inductees.

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 12.15.13 @ 00:07am


Yeah, I agree with Philip that Eddie Trunk was basically commenting on the state of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and how they choose their inductees. Aka: no class is ever gonna have solely classic rock groups. Meaning it's pretty unlikely that KISS, Yes, and Deep Purple will all get inducted at once. It's not entirely impossible as if they do go with six inductees, Nirvana would also be inducted, and they could round it out with a female artist (Linda Ronstadt), and then an R&B or rap act (Chic, or NWA/LL Cool J). But it's still unlikely.

The Hall likes to be more diverse in their classes, so it's rare that they induct a good amount of artists that fit in the same category. There's never been more than one rap inductee, usually no more than two R&B inductees, one 50's/60's inductee usually at the most, usually one singer-songwriter, and no more than two artists that fit in the "classic rock/metal" category.

So the chances of Yes, KISS, and Deep Purple all getting in at once is pretty slim. Especially considering there's so many worthy artists in other categories on the ballot.

So Eddie's comment was a sarcastic insult at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for not having a sole classic rock/metal class of inductees.

Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 12.15.13 @ 00:07am


Heaven forbid that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame cave to the "rockists". What's next? The Baseball Hall of Fame cave to great baseball players?

Posted by Classic Rock on Sunday, 12.15.13 @ 00:22am


Yes Classic Rock, because guitar bands are the only actual, genuine definition of "rock and roll". Heaven forbid that people actually realize that rock'n'roll is much bigger than just classic rock and metal bands, and that it also includes soul, disco, rap, doo-wop, surf, and even reggae.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.15.13 @ 00:43am


I agree to what you said Philip. If they only had to induct one or two "classic rock/metal" acts, it will be either Yes and KISS (if Trunk's sources of KISS being inducted are true).

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 12.15.13 @ 01:27am


Possibly, but you also have to remember that Nirvana ALSO fits that description... they're not classic rock or really metal, but they ARE a power guitar band. Nirvana is a influential guitar band, they're an alternative scene act, and they're a newly eligible sure shot. They fit all three of those slots simultaneously, which would open up the opportunity to vote for other, different acts. Why vote for KISS when you've already voted for another guitar band (Nirvana)? Why vote for the Replacements when you've already voted for another alternative scene band (also Nirvana)? The presence and surety of Nirvana on the ballot poses a real danger to the chances of these other acts making it in. There might be one more, but they've got Nirvana to fill that guitar god slot already, so don't be shocked if the voters feel that's all the rockist representation required for this class.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.15.13 @ 01:50am


I am still sticking with my list of 7, possibly 8 inductees:

If I were to speculate about which artists might also make that list, I would probably include Chic.

Therefore, here are my final predictions:

YES
DEEP PURPLE
PETER GABRIEL
HALL & OATES
LINDA RONSTADT
NIRVANA
CHIC

If 8,

THE ZOMBIES

Of course,

Link Wray could always end up being inducted as an early influence as well.


As I have said many times before, I would not be upset with either The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Meters, Link Wray, or The Zombies getting in, just as long as: Yes, Deep Purple, Peter Gabriel and Hall & Oates are inducted also.
Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 23:00pm
Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 12.11.13 @ 08:29am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 12.15.13 @ 21:29pm


Here is what we possibly know, per Eddie Trunk and Wikipedia:

Nirvana are going to be inducted. In all likelihood, the inducted members will be Kurt Cobain (1967-1994), Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic. I am still not sure if Grohl will be at the induction ceremony.

Kiss are quite possibly going to be inducted. Per band request, it seems the inducted members will be Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley, Ace Frehley and Peter Criss. I do not know if the original lineup will reunite.

Link Wray (1929-2005) is possibly going to be inducted. However, it will be through the back door as an Influence. I and other fellow posters feel that Link Wray is deserving of an induction as a Performer.

Deep Purple will likely not be inducted this year. This goes in accordance with my viewpoint that relations between the current Deep Purple and the living past members (possibly even Jon Lord before he died in 2012) are at a low point beyond any reproach. A reunion is not necessary for induction; indeed, the Mach 1-5 lineups can never be again after Lord's death. It would help though if relations were settled over past grievances. No chance of that ever happening though.

As for the other 12 nominees, here is what I and others infer. Paul Butterfield will not be inducted until, I assume, he get sposthumously inducted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project.

The Meters, The Zombies, Daryl Hall and John Oates are deserving of induction. It may however take at least a year for either one to be officially inducted.

The Replacements are not likely to be inducted this year.

Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) may have a better chance for induction next year. Though I infer an induction needs to occur sooner rather than later.

LL Cool J might possibly get inducted. It is just not certain when the time will come.

N.W.A. is not a lock as I and others once thought they were. Hopefully, they will get inducted; even if Dr. Dre is not at the ceremony.

Yes is a possibility for induction.

Chic will be inducted.

Linda Ronstadt will be inducted.

Peter Gabriel will be inducted.

48 hours to go:),

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Sunday, 12.15.13 @ 22:59pm


Yes, the Revisited/Projected oversight of the Paul Butterfield Blues Band is most definitely their roadblock to Cleveland.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.16.13 @ 00:12am


*reads a few posts above this one*

Y'know, call me sentimental, but I suddenly find myself hoping that four of the inductees are N.W.A., LL Cool J, KISS, and the Replacements. Don't know why...

Posted by Philip on Monday, 12.16.13 @ 01:16am


Does anybody know when and where tomorrow the announcement will take place? And if we can see it live somewhere

Posted by Chris on Monday, 12.16.13 @ 14:17pm


Final prediction:
Nirvana (shoo-in)
KISS (via Peter Trunk's tweets)
Chic
Linda Ronstadt
N.W.A.
Peter Gabriel or Yes (depends since they're both heavily debated to be inducted)

Link Wray inducted as an Early Influence.

I wanted Hall and Oates in this year but they MIGHT get in next year if nominated again. The Meters will have to wait, same with the Replacements and the Zombies. Paul Butterfield will NEVER get inducted I'm afraid and if he does it won't be for a minute. Deep Purple will either get nominated for an induction or maybe not at all anymore (who knows?). LL Cool J will get in next year.

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.16.13 @ 16:03pm


My prediction:

Nirvana
Chic
Linda Ronstadt
Kiss
Link Wray (He will not go in as an influence)
NWA

If there is a seventh slot:
Hall & Oates

I'm not to sure on N.W.A. I have a feeling they, and Gangsta Rap, may become the new Metal as far as the Hall is concerned. Which makes the only real dark horse I see being LL Cool J.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 12.16.13 @ 16:24pm


Final Prediction:

Nirvana
Chic
KISS
Linda Ronstadt
Yes
The Zombies

Peter Gabriel if 7th inductee

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 12.16.13 @ 16:44pm


My final predictions:

Chic
KISS
Nirvana
NWA
Linda Rondstadt

If a 6th inductee

The Zombies

If a 7th inductee

Hall and Oates

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 12.16.13 @ 17:02pm


Chic
Kiss
Nirvana
NWA
Linda Ronstadt

If there's a sixth:

Cat Stevens

If there's a seventh:

Link Wray


Posted by rockstar23 on Monday, 12.16.13 @ 18:40pm


If Link Wray gets in this year (in whatever way), I think it's a good bet to see Dick Dale on the ballot next year. Kind of like Freddie King -> Albert King.

If that happens, hopefully we get SRV soon after.

Posted by rockstar23 on Monday, 12.16.13 @ 18:41pm


Based on a recent tweet reposted on Future Rock Legends, ir appears LL Cool J will not be inducted this year. However, Mr. Smith will likely get inducted within another year or so. Thus, now we know the fate of 5 of the nominees this year. Here then is whom I and other fellow posters infer will be inducted amongst the nominees.


Peter Gabriel
Nirvana (confirmed)
Chic
Linda Ronstadt
Yes
Kiss (confirmed)
N.W.A

In addition, Link Wray has been confirmed to be a posthumous inductee as an Influence. Thus, half of the nominated artists will be inducted this class of 2014.

Responding to DarinRG: your post regarding Paul Butterfield, while sarcastic and admittedly quite humorous and thought-provoking, does bring forth a truth to what I have mentioned. Last year, every RRHOF inductee had previously been inducted into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project. This proves to me and others that we have steered the conversation as to whom can be considered Legends and Icons. I do not know when Butterfield will be posthumously inducted into the Revisited/Projected project. I can state this though: it would have been intellectually more honest and interesting to replace Paul Butterfield with Mike Bloomfield. As I mentioned in a prior post, the biographical summary at the official Rock Hall website on Paul Butterfield and the Blues Band hardly mentions Butterfield at all. Instead, much of the focus is on Bloomfield. And we inducted Mike Bloomfield posthumously into our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project. So, in a way, an induction into Revisited/Projected is important so that a nominee is not judged rightly or wrongly as being a Jann Wenner personal selection. Paul Butterfield this year is absolutely Jann Wenner's personal pick. It now appears the Wenner influence is not as needed as once was.

My early congratulations to those inducted tomorrow:),

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Monday, 12.16.13 @ 22:06pm


They were all deserving this year, so the Hall has that going for them.

Interesting to see who made it in. More interesting to see Chic didn't. I have a sinking feeling NWA is going to become the new Donna Summer.

I can't wait to see the bash posts on the lack of black inductees this year. Especially considering Chic's longstanding attempts to get in, and NWA's more iconic status.

Not the worst class ever.

The worst part about all of it is now we have to wait another 11 months to figure out who gets the next shot. Hopefully we will get a few greatest lists from some publications to argue over until then.

Peter Gabriel - I would say he is the shocking member here, just because it is a second induction therefore a true honor. It's Gabriel though, a wild genius who made phenomenal records. In a bigger year he would have been the person singled out for deserving it less. I'm just glad Stevens and Ronstadt are in, it will take away from any Gabriel hate that might be lying around out there.

Hall & Oates - I picked them as my seventh slot. They made it in with only six. There was a time when Hall & Oates just weren't the coolest duo around. Tastes change, and generations recognize greatness in that Pop-Rock style far later than they should. Hall is a fantastic singer, catchy wonderful music that really is standing the test of time. The nominee that most proves, you can't count anyone out until you get a few decades of their career behind them.

KISS - I like the fact the Hall is shutting up one hardcore fan base every year. KISS when all is said and done embodied what Rock'N'Roll is. They did it better than just about anybody. Loud, all consuming, sexual, noise. Not the most artistic group, but Rock was never about that.

Nirvana - Duh.

Linda Ronstadt - The hate that is about to be pointed at our lone female inductee will be sexist, rockist garbage. The best female out there to pick from? No. Not the worst either. She grabbed an honorary spot against the best competition. She should be in there. Her credentials lack against some left out, but she has the career to get her in there. Sad she can't sing at her induction. Who knows maybe she'll have one last stand out live moment.

Cat Stevens - Will he come? Next to Ronstadt he is going to be taken to task the most I would think. People forget that Rock music was wide and all encompassing. For every boy out there buying a copy of classic rock there was someone else picking up Cat Steven's albums and feeling as devoted to him as anyone else. He isn't lacking in the hits department.

Posted by Chris F. on Monday, 12.16.13 @ 23:58pm


Any guesses on the order of induction or who will do the inducting?

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.17.13 @ 00:22am


@Chris, I'm black and you won't get any complaints from me about the "lack" of black inductees since all the people nominated were deserving of an induction and at the end, we know not everything's gonna be fair. So I don't mind this, seeing as some years didn't include a single black inductee of any sort. This year, Clarence Clemons will be the sole one and he's receiving a posthumous one as member of the E Street Band. But I'm not disappointed with this year's choices.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.17.13 @ 00:28am


http://news.yahoo.com/rock-roll-hall-fame-becoming-racist-170700082.html

I just can't see how LL Cool J, The Meters, and N.W.A. merited second inductions and The Spinners and The Marvelettes didn't .

Also, the almost complete elimination of R&B inductees, AGAIN, is a commentary on everything that's wrong with the RRHOF. (and PLEASE don't say that H & O are R&B) .

And, why have The Belmonts been snubbed year after year ?

Posted by Bill G on Tuesday, 12.17.13 @ 01:51am


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTgZl6S3FUg

The formation of The R&B Music Hall of Fame has, as I predicted, effectively closed the door on all future potential R&B inductees. And such deserving artists as The Spinners, The Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Jr. Walker & The All-Stars, Gene Chandler,Dionne Warwick, Barry White, Lou Rawls, Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes,Chuck Jackson, Patti LaBelle & The Blue Belles/LaBelle, Chaka Khan & Rufus, The Dramatics (who were recently interviewed at the Hall of Fame, but have NEVER EVEN BEEN CONSIDERED), The Stylistics, The Manhattans, The Whispers, and numerous others have been completely left in the cold.

Posted by Bill G on Tuesday, 12.17.13 @ 02:04am


Tim,

"So I don't mind this, seeing as some years didn't include a single black inductee of any sort."

I generally dislike the idea of tokens, or artists getting in because they represent some group. I am a big supporter of females in Rock for example. Linda got in because she was the only women on the ballot that was identifiable as a woman (Nile Rodgers shines so bright in Chic people tend to forget there were two women). I think the committee knew that when they didn't nominate any other big female against her. Even the women that are on the radar of the Hall didn't come into play, no Joan Jett or Marvelettes. It is one of the reasons Ronstadt was so guaranteed.

The problem with not recognizing a black artists is different however. Large genres that cover a lot more ground than any of the specific ones recognized this year are left off. R&B, Soul, and Rap are predominantly black radio. All three are or were large dominant styles that are still going strong. It isn't the problem with the lack of black artists I have it is the disrespect of the styles of music that have a huge bench of artists not yet in. Rufus & Chaka Khan for example should seem like bait to the hall. A mixed group of highly technical players and a female at the front of it all with one of the best voices in Rock. I am sure the push for Ronstadt this year kept Rufus off the ballot. Khan would have offered a splitting vote to Ronstadt. I just hope this isn't a new trend of having one female a year to get them in.

Add to that you had NWA on the ballot, a vital part of Rap, and it leaves you wondering what that means for Rap. Specifically for Gangsta Rap. NWA has another year of a weaker first time class before they see a big challenger come in from their own field. Once those 90's start rolling around they are going to have a harder time. They literally face a big challenger from every year of that decade. A Tribe Called Quest, 2 Pac, (their own) Dr. Dre, The Roots & Wu Tang Clan, Biggie & Outkast, Jay Z, Eminem, Missy Elliott, and Lauryn Hill are going to be up in the next decade. One year right after another of high quality artists. The Hall has a unique chance with Rap. They can, for the first time, not stumble with the a genre and create the huge backlog they have for everything else.

It just seems if the Hall were going to have a bigger class year of 7 this ballot would have been the time. One more inductee would have rounded out the group. I don't knock anyone who made it in. They were all worthy. I personally think this class is rather strong in terms of popularity. It just isn't all that diverse musically.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 12.17.13 @ 12:18pm


Did anyone get more than four predictions correct?

Posted by FRL on Thursday, 12.19.13 @ 09:29am


Who I want to go in:

Nirvana
Deep Purple
Yes
Peter Gabriel
Hall and Oates
Link Wray

If there is a 7th: The Zombies

Who I think will actually go in:
Nirvana
Yes
Chic
Linda Rondstat (God I hope I'm wrong)
Peter Gabriel
Deep Purple

If there is a 7th: N.W.A

Link Wray as an Early Influence

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 12.3.13 @ 18:15pm


Okay so I guess on both I was 3 for 6 thought I thought that with a ballot this stacked they'd make it a class of 7.

As for this years class I'm okay with it (even as I fume over Yes and Deep Purple not getting in).

Nirvana was a stone cold lead pipe lock from the start so whether you like them or not (I do) they were going to get in. Hopefully this opens the doors for more early 90's hard rock/alternative acts to follow in the next 5 or six years (Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden) Also this might bode well for earlier alternative acts not named R.E.M like The Replacements or Jane's Addiction. Only time will tell.

Like many I feel that Peter Gabriel should have been in a long time ago and preferably before Genesis. I feel he will be an important voice to lead the charge for more prog acts (or 80's acts for that matter)

Hall and Oates are a guilty pleasure for me and it's easy to forget that they were right up there with the Righteous Brothers when it comes to blue-eyed soul (see: "Rich Girl", "She's Gone") though that tends to be forgotten as many remember their 80's Pop hits ("You Make My Dreams Come True", "Private Eyes" , etc...) Maybe in a backdoor way this will help R&B's case as I can see them lobbying for classic soul groups. At the very least this (along with Peter Gabriel's induction) will open the door further to 80's acts.

KISS are by no means my favorite (I tolerate them) but they do belong in the rock hallfor exactly the reason why people complain about them: they are marketing geniouses that created a brand that is instantly recognizeable. Let's face it in the 70's about the only way to know what some bands looked like was see them in concert or by their albums (there are exceptions of course but you get the point). By comparison everybody and their mother knew what KISS looked like whether they wanted to or not. I don't know if their induction opens the door to any acts in particular but my best guess is that it will help other hard rock acts of the late 70's/80's (maybe Bon Jovi, Motley Crue or Def Leppard if I had to guess).

Cat Stevens I like and although I would have liked the singer/songwriter slot to be filled by someone like Carole King or Carley Simon his induction is fine by me as he was right up there in the A-List of that sub-genre for a few years in the early and mid 70's.

Linda Rondstat I'm fine with as a choice although I'll admit that I'm not a fan. She made some good records and with Cat Steven's also going inthis should help with other solo acts getting in from that era. At least with Rondstat they avoid the situation of neglecting her until her death (Donna Summer) or continuing to neglect he after her death (Whitney Houston)

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 12.19.13 @ 11:37am


My ranking from before:

1. Nirvana
2. Deep Purple
3. Peter Gabriel
4. Hall and Oates
5. N.W.A.
6. Linda Ronstadt
----------------------
7. Link Wray
8. Kiss
9. Yes
10. The Replacements
11. Chic
12. The Zombies
13. The Meters
14. Cat Stevens
15. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
16. LL Cool J

Four out of my top six got in (Deep Purple and N.W.A. were my busts there).

Posted by SotN on Sunday, 12.22.13 @ 06:53am


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