The 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

The 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were officially announced at midnight on Thursday, October 4th, although they were leaked a few hours early on Portland radio station KGON's facebook page. Here is the official press release.

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http://www.facebook.com/92.3KGONPortland/posts/417041021683763

According to 92.3 KGON's facebook post, this is the 2013 ballot (looks legit):
Rush, Deep Purple, Heart, Procol Harum, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Randy Newman, Donna Summer, Chic, Joan Jett, Albert King, Kraftwerk, The Meters, N.W.A. and Public Enemy.

The 28th annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony will be held in at the Nokia Theater in Los Angeles on April 18th, 2013.

WOW.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 10.3.12 @ 23:47pm


THE NOMINEES FOR THE 2013 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME LEAKED!!!

01. Albert King
02. The Meters
03. The Marvelettes
04. Procol Harum
05. Randy Newman
06. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
07. Donna Summer
08. Rush
09. Heart
10. Deep Purple
11. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
12. Kraftwerk
13. Chic
14. Public Enemy
15. N.W.A.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:43am


Like I said in the other thread, I would bet on 6+ inductees and possibly Albert King as an influence. If they went back to 5 it would make last year seem VERY fishy.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:46am


That's why I don't understand why the vote limit here is five lol

It's possible there could be at least SEVEN inductees this time!

Posted by Tim on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:51am


Future Rock Legends-

Out of curiosity, who were the top vote-getters in last year's FRL poll?

Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 00:53am


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rush-public-enemy-deep-purple-nominated-for-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-20121004

Rush, Public Enemy, Deep Purple Nominated for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Voting open to fans for the first time

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 01:02am


I can't limit this to five.

After Deep Purple/Rush/Public Enemy/N.W.A. I've already gotten 4 out of 5. I feel obligated to vote for Kraftwerk, but I want Heart to be inducted too god damnit! And then there's Donna Summer and Randy Newman....AHHHHH.

Why did they save all the great inductees for one year? This induction class better be bigger than five.

Posted by Jim on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 01:10am


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/vote-for-the-2013-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees-20121004

Vote for the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

The top five artists chosen by you will comprise a fan's ballot

By Rolling Stone
October 4, 2012 12:15 AM ET

The nominees for the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame are in, and, for the first time, fans get to vote alongside the artists, historians and music industry insiders of the Rock Hall voting body. From now until December 5th, you can vote right here for the nominees you'd like to see inducted. Pick up to five acts – the top five vote-getters will comprise a "fan's ballot" that will count as one of the more than 600 ballots that determine the Class of 2013. The results will be announced in mid-December.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 01:18am


A response to FRL saying that Deep Purple and Rush won't both get in this year: Isn't that what they said about Guns N' Roses, RHCP and the Beastie Boys last year? Go big or go home!

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 01:31am


http://rockhall.com/get-involved/interact/poll/

VOTE DIRECTLY ON THE ROCK HALL'S PAGE!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 01:32am


We're limiting the vote to five in our poll because that's what the Rock Hall is doing with the official one. It's certainly possible more than that will be inducted.

DC -- last year's poll results are summarized here: http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog_files/The_2012_Inductee_Announcement.html
Fans usually get 3 out of 5.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 02:01am


The Ballot By Rock Hall Revisited/Projected Induction Year:

1. Deep Purple - 1994
2. Kraftwerk - 1999
3. Rush - 2005
4. The Meters - 2005 (Sidemen category)
5. Albert King - 2008 (Influences category)
6. Donna Summer - 2013
Public Enemy - 2013
..................................
8. N.W.A. - 2014
9. Heart - 2017
10. Randy Newman - 2017
11. The Marvelettes - 2020
12. Chic - 2022
13. Procol Harum - 2026
...................................
Paul Butterfield Blues Band - none (ranked #411 on extended Performers list)
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts - none (not ranked on extended Performers list)

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 02:01am


The Ballot By Our Rock Rankings List:

#42 - Public Enemy
#46 - Kraftwerk
#78 - Deep Purple
#100 - N.W.A.
#122 - Rush
#156 - Randy Newman
#170 - Donna Summer
#209 - Chic
#234 - Procol Harum
#242 - Heart
#257 - The Marvelettes
#411 - Paul Butterfield Blues Band
.....................................
#6 (Sidemen - Backing Groups) - The Meters
#15 (Rock Era-Influences) - Albert King
.....................................
(Unranked) - Joan Jett & The Blackhearts

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 02:07am


If this is accurate then I am not a big fan of this ballot. It has some good elements, such as Deep Purple. Maybe that will open the door to other hard rock/metal acts. Also I like that the ballot embraces a wider scope of music with Donna Summer, Kraftwerk, Chic and rap acts. (Although I still prefer Afrika Bambaataa). And Rush will probably get inducted, sadly. (But we still have Kiss!).
That said, the 60s era fixation keeps getting more obscure. Apparently the entire 1980s has still never happened in the R&RHF's alternative universe. And the Cure didn't even make the ballot after last year's nomination. As with Prog Rock, the entire post-punk/new wave era is still treated poorly. Joy Division/New Order? The Cars? The B-52s? Instead we get Procol Harum. And why not at least the Moody Blues then?
I thought Heart was borderline worthy last year and they still are. But they have a very good chance of induction on this ballot.
Joan Jett and the Blackheats are not worth inducting imo. But Joan Jett is. This is the Janis Joplin problem again. But I do think it's a mistake to induct an unworthy act as a vehicle to induct a potentially worthy individual performer. They should have nominated Joan Jett individually, which is what they did for Joplin.
I get the Marvelettes nomination. Maybe next year for the Shangri Las.
The others I have to look up, which says it all.
Surprisingly Whitney Houston didn't make the cut.


Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 02:15am


The Ballot By # Of Times Nominated:

Chic - 7 (2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013)
Donna Summer - 5 (2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - 2 (2006, 2013)
Heart - 2 (2012, 2013)
Joan Jett & The BlackHearts - 2 (2012, 2013)
Kraftwerk - 2 (2002, 2013)
The Meters - 2 (1997, 2013)
Randy Newman - 2 (2005, 2013)

Albert King, The Marvelettes, N.W.A., Procol Harum, Rush - 1 (2013)

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 02:18am


Deep Purple seems like they have the innovation, age and respect to get in whereas Heart and Rush hit commercial highs later on (and we have very few inductees that started their career from the late 70's onward). Therefore, I think Deep Purple will sweep the rockists' ballots and be a lock for induction.

Donna Summer's death will finally put her over the top. I see a fragmented enough field where her NOT emerging in the Top 5-or-so seems to be rather improbable.

If Run DMC could make it in their first try, it should be a cake-walk for Public Enemy.


So, for sure, I'd say Deep Purple, Summer and PE. Still plenty of room for the rest. Albert King will get in via the backdoor like Freddie King last year (unless he is inducted this year as a Performer).

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 02:28am


No Mary Wells, no Monkees, no Kiss, no Chicago and no Whitney Houston.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 02:28am


MY 5 VOTES

01. Rush
02. Deep Purple
03. Heart or The Marvelettes
04. Donna Summer
05. Chic

The Rock Hall inducted Black Sabbath and Lynyrd Skynyrd in the same year. There shouldn't be a problem with Rush and Deep Purple being inducted the same year.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 02:40am


Skynyrd and Sabbath weren't inducted the same year, but yeah I agree. I see no reason for them to not be inducted the same year.

Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 02:52am


Whoah I guess they were inducted the same year! I thought LS was inducted earlier for some reason. My bad!

Posted by DC on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 02:55am


Skynyrd and Sabbath were inducted in 2006!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 03:02am


This might be the year Kraftwerk gets in. Rolling Stone has been falling over itself for the past few months trying to prove that it knows what this newfangled "electronic dance music" is all about, putting Deadmau5 on the cover and using him as the poster child for the genre. This indicates a greater willingness to include electronic music in the rock lexicon, although it could also just be a bunch of trend-chasing or a desperate grasp for relevancy, or both. Either way, it's about as encouraging a sign as Kraftwerk are ever going to get.

Posted by Taylor on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 05:12am


All right. This time, the only minor complaints this time:

-No Alternative/Indie. None of us were sure about whether or not it would be The Cure or Joy Division/New Order, instead we got neither
-Metal's still shut out.
-I would've had King Crimson as the prog representative.

Ok, minor complaints, as I said. I'm still very pleased with this. Clearly they've been listening to the criticism. Right:

-Public Enemy's in easily.
-Chic or Donna Summer, probably the latter.
-Big three-way race for the Hard Rock slot, Deep Purple vs. Heart vs. Rush. It's pure guess-work deciding which is most likely, but I'd say Purple.
-The Paul Butterfield Blues Band or Albert King or Procol Harum as the 60's pick. Probably King.
-Tough to say who's 5th. Probably Randy Newman.

Who'd I put in?

Deep Purple, PE, Kraftwerk, Chic, Donna Summer or Rush

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 05:26am


Does anyone want to make the case for Procol Harum? Because I can't. They were not a major commercial success, and really only had one signature hit (Whiter Shade of Pale). They certainly were not the first band to add classical elements to their songs. (That was actually very common during this period).
Really all that's left is the claim that they helped with the formation of Prog Rock, but that is difficult to justify. For example the Moody Blue's Days Of Futures Past came out that same year. You already had Pink Floyd and others as well. You can even cite Sgt.Pepper. Am I missing something? How do they rate above the Moody Blues or Yes among others?

Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 05:27am


Come to think of it, why not Love instead of Procol Harum? Did anyone see Procol Harum getting nominated? They weren't even on the radar. Nothing against them, but you could place a hundred bands ahead of them. Oh well.

Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 05:39am


astrodog, nobody predicted them (or The Meters/Albert King) in the predictions thread. So it is surprising.

However, they were inducted here in Rock Hall Projected, so they clearly have their supporters. It definitely does reek of the 60s > ALL mentality that some people have concerning rock music. It's kind of like if the Hall nominated Echo & The Bunnymen instead of The Cure simply because they were in love with the 80s. While the Hall has gone to the 60s well perhaps too often, there's clearly still dozens of better acts on the outside looking in than Procul Harum that began their careers that decade.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 05:49am


Procol Harum is one of the few bands where an argument can be made that they were the first prog band (see the Procol Harum page for more info). However, I doubt that's why they are on the ballot, I think it's because they are the 60's/baby boomer pick. Either way, I'm pleased with their inclusion (and pleasantly surprised) since I'm a fan.

Remaining 60's groups I'd put in: Love, the Zombies, Procol Harum, the Spencer Davis Group and possibly the Turtles and the Monkees (not necessarily in that order). That's it, unless I'm forgetting someone (don't think so).

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 06:19am


Oh yeah, for girl groups- The Marvelettes and the Shangri-Las.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 06:20am


Colour me surprised. This ballot is packed! I would easily induct at least ten.

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 06:44am


Colour me surprised. This ballot is packed! I would easily induct at least ten.

As for who gets in. Deep Purple, Donna Summer and Public Enemy are virtual locks imo. I think Heart and Rush may complete the ballot (too high profile and populist?) with Kraftwerk as spoiler. Can you imagine that induction ceremony?!!!?

Also, my sentimental pick this year is the Marvelettes. I hope that it's not a one and done deal for them if they fail to get in this year!

And Finally, The Rock Hall listens! It seems that they are actively trying to incorporate fan opinion into their selections.

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 06:49am


P.S. The Rush, Heart and Deep Purple nods can only mean good things for KISS in the near future, no?

P.P.S. I absolutely love the presentation of the nominees this year! The video package is epic. I was basically howling as every worthy act came on screen. It felt like Christmas!

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 06:52am



I'm quite pleased with this ballot, but I'm not gonna jump on the bandwagon and say this is the best ballot in decades like some have said. It could've been better when you sit down and analyze it.

Frankly for me, if the Hall was going to induct 7 acts like we've done in our Rock Hall Projected/Revisited" project, then my top 7 choices would be easy picks with the rest of the artists on the ballot not being priorities for me. Not to say that it's a travesty that these "other acts" are on the ballot. All 15 acts are important groups and have a credible argument for their support of induction. But for me personally, the ballot is between 7 legitimate HOFers and the rest, not so much. Deep Purple, Rush, Donna Summer, Heart, Kraftwerk, N.W.A., and Heart are the clear HOF acts here. Randy Newman, Joan Jett, Chic, and Albert King are deserving too, they're just not priorities to me (especially compared to the first 7). I just don't see the Paul Butterfield Blues Band as a HOF act. Sorry, I don't. Great musicians, played some darned good music, but that doesn't automatically mean they belong in the HOF. Procol Harum was a surprise for sure, but their spot should've went to the Moody Blues who were far more successful for a much longer period of time and were just as, if not moreso, influential on symphonic rock, and prog rock as a whole. Procol Harum had two hit songs for over a 4 year period (67-71), while the Moody Blues had hit songs and albums on the charts for 20 years straight (65-88). The Marveletts I see and fit the "girl group" spot good, but again, they don't scream "HOF" to me. The Meters fall in the same category as the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, though unlike Paul Butterfield, I haven't listened to the Meters much. But they seem more like a musicians band, rather than a HOF band.

Also, really no 80's acts at all that's been mentioned (other than the two newly eligible rap groups). I guess Kraftwerk kind of fits the "alternative spot."

Still it's a good ballot, just for the fact that they got two of the "big three" hard rock/classic rock snubs on there, those being Deep Purple and Rush (still missing KISS, though I'll bet they'll be on the 2014 ballot).

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 07:31am


Also, really no 80's acts at all that's been mentioned (other than the two newly eligible rap groups). I guess Kraftwerk kind of fits the "alternative spot."

-Donnie

Yeah, that's why I'm not worked up over no Cure, JD, Depeche Mode, Smiths, etc. Kraftwerk should probably go in before all of them anyway.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 07:51am


Make that 8 legit HOFers Donnie. You seem to have missed Public Enemy.

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 07:53am


Eddie Truck is already on his twitter fead acting all pissed off that Rush and Deep Purple have been snubbed for so long, instead of being happy that they've finally been nominated. At times I enjoy his opinions, but most the time he comes off as a huge blowhard.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 07:59am


Eddie Trunk is such an eyeroller. Constantly bitching and complaining about all the "important" acts missing, yet his "snubs" all fall into essentially one genre. He's the scoutmaaster of annoying rockists.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 08:06am


There won't be any artists being inducted a second time into the Rock Hall.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 08:13am


As for who I see getting inducted? To me, the three locks are Deep Purple, Donna Summer, and Public Enemy.

While I don't see all of the baby boom-era classic rockers voting for Public Enemy, I think enough of the newer inductees (RHCP, GNR, Metallica, Run-DMC, the Beastie Boys, etc.) will hands down vote for Public Enemy. And pretty much every critic that votes will vote for them. So like someone alluded to earlier, if Run-DMC were able to get in on their first try, Public Enemy should be able to do so as well.

Donna Summer. Even if she is not amongst the top 5 vote getters, she will get in anyway. There was way too much backlash this year for her snub (with her sudden death increasing the backlash ten-fold), that the Hall will do everything in it's power to ensure that doesn't happen again. If she's not in the top 5 vote getters, then we'll definitely have another 6 inductee class.

Deep Purple is more of a lock than Rush in my view for the same reason that Alice Cooper was able to get in on their first nomination, while KISS was snubbed (and Genesis being inducted instead). It seems to me that most of the "classic rock" inductees are more favorable to the 60's and early 70's scene rather than the late 70's/early 80's scene. Alice Cooper was of the early 70's era while KISS was part of the late 70's era. So I think the voters will easily vote for Deep Purple because Deep Purple was amongst their peers. Rush in a way weren't. I think pretty much all of the newer hard rock inductees will vote for both Deep Purple and Rush, but I think more, overall will vote for Deep Purple. That doesn't mean that Rush won't make the ballot as well (they very well may), but whereas I don't see Rush as being a surefire lock, I do feel Deep Purple is a lock. I think that Deep Purple, like Alice Cooper, Tom Waits, and Genesis, are one of those bands that everyone on the Voting Committee (mainly the current HOF artists) has wanted to vote for for years but hasn't ever been able to because they've never been nominated. Once they're on the ballot, the majority will vote for them easily.

So the three I'd definitely bet on seeing inducted: Public Enemy, Donna Summer, and Deep Purple.

After that is where it gets interesting. Here's my take on the remaining nominees and their chances....

Albert King: I see him as a surefire inductee as well. Just not as a Performer. I see him entering as an Influence like Freddie King did last year, which wouldn't be so bad. However, he was around more in the era that most of the current HOFers were (mid-60's to mid-70's), so his chances of actually being inducted as Performer are higher than Freddie King's last year IMO.

Chic: I think their chances are pretty good as well. If Donna Summer is amongst the top 5 vote getters, then I could see the Hall pushing Chic up as the "6th inductee." Mainly because this is their 7th nomination (pretty much every act that has ever been nominated this many times gets inducted within 1 or 2 more tries after this) and Nile Rodgers has cancer as well. The Hall may want to avoid a possible Donna Summer-like situation with having to induct Nile posthumously, which would garner more backlash. So they may want to honor him while he is still alive. And if the voters don't vote for Chic, the Hall may push them in anyway by extending the ballot. I'm all for the Hall adding more artists to the inductees list, just as long as they don't tamper with the top 5 that are actually voted for.

Heart: Their chances are also good I think. Their problem last year was that there were so many 60's artists (The Hall's favorite era) that they were overlooked. They have a similar problem this year, only this time it's their hard rock peers. The hard classic rock field is pretty crowded this year with Deep Purple and Rush both. I'm not sure the voters will vote for Heart in addition to Deep Purple and Rush. That could hurt them. I could actually see a ballot split between Rush and Heart both that could potentially keep them both out this year. Just like in the past with Donna Summer and Chic being nominated at the same time (I don't see that repeating this year, Summer will get in no matter what). I've seen some people say they'll have an easier time getting in this year, but I don't think so. They have a chance of getting in, but it's certainly not guaranteed.

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts: I don't see them getting in. With Deep Purple, Rush, and Heart as their competition for heavier classic rock, it's just not gonna be their time. They'll have to wait another year.

Kraftwerk: I'm about 40/60 leaning towards no on Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk is a group that I see having to get numerous nominations to finally get in. They were too edgy and unique to get in on 1 or 2 tries. Still there are a number of critics that appreciate them, and I think most alternative and rap acts currently in the HOF will probably put them on their ballot. So Kraftwerk could sneak in, but I don't see them getting in this time around.

The Marvelettes: This would definitely be a surprise. For the most part oldies acts at this stage don't make it in. Especially 50's groups. But 60's oldies groups tend to have better luck. In the last few years we've seen the Ronettes, Little Anthony and the Imperials, and Darlene Love get in. Plus, the Marvelettes have a Motown background to help them with voters. I don't see them as a surefire inductee, but they could be a surprise inductee, maybe?

The Meters: Not gonna happen. If War and the Spinners couldn't get in, then the Meters don't have a chance.

N.W.A.: Not gonna happen. I've said for awhile now that N.W.A. is gonna have a tough time getting into the HOF. They were too edgy and "dangerous" for many of the older voters on the Committee. I mean, can you picture the likes of Paul McCartney, Donovan, and the members of the Beach Boys voting for N.W.A.? I sure can't. If LL Cool J has struggled to get in, N.W.A will too. They'll get votes from the younger critics and artists on the Voting Committee (I'm sure Axl Rose will vote for them lol), but not enough to get the induction.

Paul Butterfield Blues Band: I think they'll get quite a few votes, but not enough to ensure induction. With the competition on the ballot, I just don't see them measuring up. I could be wrong though.

Procol Harum: If a British 60's band gets on the ballot, they pretty much always make it in. So their chances are high just by that alone. Now they didn't have near the hits that the Hollies had, but their stature in rock history is similar to the Small Faces in that other than one hit in America(two actually), they didn't enjoy much commercial success here, thus they're not seen as being "as big" as other British bands. Still, the Hall loves to vote for any 60's British band it can, so keep an eye on Procol Harum. They could make it in.

Randy Newman: He could make it. I think quite a few critic voters will vote for him. Some current HOFers will too. But will it be enough. I'd say he's in the middle. 50/50

Rush: Well we know for sure that one ballot will be counted with Rush as the top choice. The fans' ballot, lol. With that said, I think their chances are pretty high. Especially if the Hall goes for 6-7 inductees. If that's the case, then I think Rush will be inducted. If they go with just five, then their chances go down, but they would still be amongst the top contenders.


Ranking the 15 nominees in the order of likelihood that they'll be inducted (with percentages representing their chances)...

1. Donna Summer (97%)
2. Deep Purple (94%)
3. Public Enemy (90%)
4. Procol Harum (80%)
5. Rush (73%)
6. Chic (70%)
7. Randy Newman (68%)
8. Heart (56%)
9. Albert King (49%)
10. Paul Butterfield Blues Band (43%)
11. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts (37%)
12. N.W.A. (35%)
13. The Marvelettes (30%)
14. Kraftwerk (21%)
15. The Meters (15%)

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 08:14am


Make that 8 legit HOFers Donnie. You seem to have missed Public Enemy.

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 07:53am

This is the moment where if I could post an embedded code of YouTube videos on here I would post a video of Homer Simpson smacking his head and saying "Dohhhhh"

My bad lol.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 08:15am


I typed "Heart" twice instead of listing Heart and Public Enemy.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 08:20am


Want to get in:
Deep Purple
Donna Summer
Procol Harum
Rush
Heart

Could Wait/Fine With
Albert King
Chic
Kraftwerk
Marvelettes
Meters
Paul Butterfield

Definitely NOT:
N.W.A
Public Enemy
Randy Newman
Joan Jett

Posted by Danny on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 08:57am


Rush and Deep Purple are both highly respected, so I wouldn't be surprised if they both got in. Then again, AC/DC is also highly respected and it took them a few tries.

This is definitely an odd year, what with the furor over the lack of women in the Hall of Fame, I wouldn't be surprised if both Heart and Donna Summer got in. After that, Public Enemy and then Deep Purple and Rush.

I really hate that Donna Summer will likely get in solely because she died. Is she worthy? Perhaps, but I still despise the sympathy vote. There are a number of more worthy female acts out there.

Posted by Freddy on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 09:02am


Are there any potential additions to the Clyde McPhatter club this year?

Posted by Clyde on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 09:03am


Eddie Trunk's VH1 show is entertaining, but he lost alot of weight with me when you complained that Foreigner wasnt in and Elton John and the Eagles were. Who in their right mind complains about those inductees?

Posted by Jim on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 09:35am


Also, it wouldn't surprise me if one of the reasons it took nominating committee so long to decide this year had to do with N.W.A. Despite their slam dunk credentials, they're probably very divisive with older voters and come from that still relatively foreign genre (in the halls eyes) of Rap. At least Public Enemy had the massive critical acclaim over their music an lyrics to make them seem more respectable to the older voters.

Posted by Jim on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 09:40am


I agree with the forming consensus that PE, Summer, and Deep Purple are the favorites to be inducted at this first blush. Whoever said Deep Purple has that Alice Cooper/Tom Waits/Genesis "we've been waiting!" vibe is exactly on the money to me. Rush feels more like the KISS nomination; a token bone-throw (though arguably more deserving than KISS') but there are enough good-to-great acts on this ballot to legitimately see Rush fail to get in. I'd personally love to see Randy Newman and Kraftwerk, but I imagine if there's only 5 inductees that one or both will fall to Heart or N.W.A. The only ones who's chances I think are safe to write-off are the Marvelettes, the Meters and Procol Harum. Butterfield and/or King would be next, but only one will get in (and King might go as an Influence.) Still, if 10-12 of the nominees are highly credible as Inductees, this is a fantastic ballot. The committee has been making positive strides the last few years, and this is another one. To be commended; bravo!

Posted by Jonah on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 09:56am


Are there any potential additions to the Clyde McPhatter club this year?

Posted by Clyde on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 09:03am


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Not this year, but a N.W.A. induction would set up Dr. Dre for a double induction.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 10:01am


I hope that being limited to five doesn't mean they'll only induct five musicians.

They've inducted at least one classic rock musician each year since 1988. This ballot almost guarantees that tradition will continue.


The Paul Butterfield Blues Band- I'm not familiar with their work.

Chic- They've been trying to get them in for awhile now. Of course, they're main contribution is the oft-sampled Good Times.

Deep Purple- awesome hard rock band. Too bad they couldn't get them in before one of the members passed away (forgot his name). I swear Space Truckin' has almost the same riff as Enter Sandman.

Heart- they don't really have much for the female rockers save for the Pretenders. Heart would be a good choice.

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts- I agree that Joan Jett by herself would be a stronger candidate. Perhaps they'll wait until they can nominate her without her backing group. However, they have inducted the Heartbreakers and the Attractions.

Albert King- not familiar with his work.

Kraftwerk- not familiar with their work.

The Marvelettes- Please, Mr. Postman is their main contribution. It was successfully covered by the Beatles. They're also one of the few girl groups left from the sixties.

The Meters- not familiar with their work.

Randy Newman- not familiar with his work.

NWA- I don't think they had an impact on rock.

Procol Harum- venturing into the progressive rock genre is nice, but I doubt they'll get in.

Public Enemy- they should wait until they can get in Anthrax.

Rush- as much as I'd like everyone to shut up, I don't think they'll get in.

Donna Summer- her passing, her status as the queen of disco, and her contribution to rock and techno music should make her a strong candidate. She's also been nominated several times.





Overall, this is a strong ballot.

Posted by Lucario on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 10:47am


Take heart SRV fans, his nomination is coming slowly but surely. It's actually proper that first Freddie, and then Albert King would and should get nominated before Stevie Ray. I predict SRV gets next year's guitar-god slot. Three years running Jeff Beck, Freddie King, now Albert King. Next year SRV. And finally Deep Purple, Rush, and even Joan Jett (WHICH Blackheart line-up?). It's all starting to make sense to me now.

Posted by Mario Lanzetti on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 11:01am


I think Randy Newman is pretty close to a lock. He's very respected, he's one letter away from an EGOT. I think the ceremony taking place in LA only helps his chances, think Bobby Womack in Cleveland. I could see him as this years Donovan/Dr. John/Jimmy Cliff pick. A talented and well-liked singer-songwriter.

Posted by Josh Treadway on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 11:46am


Oh my word I never thought Kraftwerk had a chance, nevermind Rush and Deep Purple too!

Rock hall, you've officially redeemed youself.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 11:55am


my early predictions for the class of 2013:

deep purple
donna summer
public enemy
heart
rush
and the marvelettes

Posted by chris on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 12:49pm


WORST CASE SCENARIO

Albert King
Chic
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
The Meters
N.W.A
Public Enemy

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 16:37pm


Kraftwerk should get in. Truly groundbreaking. This would finally open the door for an entire genre.

Posted by Brian on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 18:51pm


"WORST CASE SCENARIO

Albert King
Chic
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
The Meters
N.W.A
Public Enemy"--Roy

WTF Roy? The Marvelettes could not be part of ANY WCS. That's just ridiculous. You must be best buds with Eddie Trunk or something.

As for myself, I actually don't know what to think or care about. The only act I really see myself rooting for are the Marvelettes, and I'm not even really a fan of theirs. I just think they're that important. They're also the strongest '60s presence on the ballot this year, commercially speaking anyway. I'll be working out some blog thoughts at a later point.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 18:58pm


Philip: I totally agree. There really isn't a worst case scenario with a great group of nominations like this!

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 19:55pm


The Finalists for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2013 has been announced. Finally at last! As always, there is good news and bad news. Amongst the good news, the ballot has not been swamped by artists that Bruce Springsteen/Little Steven Van Zandt/Jon Landau/Dave Marsh think are really awesome; yet many others do not feel are influential. Not that the Springsteen crowd are wrong in their beliefs; it is just rather predictable.

Now for the bad news. Once again, Peter Gabriel was not nominated for induction: this is the 11th time this has happened. I know Gabriel is in the Hall of Fame with Genesis. Yet, as we have opined in our more egalitarian Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project; Peter Gabriel individually has had just as great importance, if not moreso than his Genesis bandmates. More troubling is the Nominating Committee seemingly neglecting alternative/grunge/Seattle rock. I really thought the Pixies would be first ballot inductees, and Soundgarden would at least be nominated. It has not happened. I am beginning to wonder if alternative rock will be mostly ignored by the RRHOF in the years ahead. To ignore this era would be a great disservice to what was essentially the soundtrack of my younger and coming-of-age years, not to mention many others'.

The other good news is the ballot at hand is quite good. Only one artist on the ballot I would not consider inducting at this point in time. That would be Paul Butterfield (1942-1987). Certainly he was an important figure and a great harmonica player. Yet, again, Butterfield's influence was to a lesser degree than the other finalists, and those thathave been snubbed considerably. I tend to think Paul Butterfield was the rather obvious Springsteen Crowd choice. It does not mean that a posthumous for Paul Butterfield will happen, though.

Now, here is who I believe will be inducted as Performers for 2013. Later on, I will surmise whom might be inducted as sidemen, influences, and non-performers. But for now, I pick seven acts, and here they are.


Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Kraftwerk
Deep Purple
Rush
Chic
Randy Newman

I will explain why in a later post. Hopefully, there will indeed be seven inductees this year. I would also like to concur with Phillip and Gassman on Roy's Worst Case Scenario inductees. It truly is not the worst the RRHOF can come up with. No, this list below would be, in my opinion, worst case scenario.

J. Geils Band
Gary U.S. Bonds
Southside Johnny
The Kingsmen
Mitch Ryder
Herman's Hermits
Strawberry Alarm Clock

That, Roy, would be a Worst Case Scenario ceremony. Rock acts of varying levels of importance whom just so happen to be advocated by the "real rock was in the 1960s" people. At some point, this idea has to subside. Happy to say, the 2013 ballot is one of those times the 60's are not heavily overinfluenced on the ballot and in the induction to come.

More explanations and predictions to come in a later post,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 21:50pm


I really happy with these nominations! Very few of these nominations are what i would consider not hall worthy. The nominating committee really did well. Let's just hope that there are as many inductions as possible!

Posted by Ryan on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 22:26pm


"WORST CASE SCENARIO

Albert King
Chic
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
The Meters
N.W.A
Public Enemy"--Roy

WTF Roy? The Marvelettes could not be part of ANY WCS. That's just ridiculous. You must be best buds with Eddie Trunk or something.

Philip

I'm talking as a whole. You have to admit, if you want a big show, here's the best case scenario

Rush
Deep Purple
Procol Harum
Heart
Randy Newman

I like The Marvelettes

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 22:31pm


"Oh yeah, for girl groups- The Marvelettes and the Shangri-Las"

Yes....and The Chantels too.

"The Marvelettes- Please, Mr. Postman is their main contribution. It was successfully covered by the Beatles. They're also one of the few girl groups left from the sixties."

Just "Please,Mr Postman?"

What about "Playboy?" "Don't Mess With Bill?","Too Many Fish In The Sea ?" "The Hunter Gets Captured By The Game?" My Baby Must Be A Magician?" "Beechwood 4-5789 ?" and numerous others?

The Marvelettes have had 3 TIMES the chart hits of the inducted Ronettes....and are more influential to boot !! As Motown's first successful Girl Group, They should have been inducted BEFORE The Supremes and Vandellas...since their success opened the doors for the others...Just as The Miracles set the standard for the entire Motown artist roster . Look at how long it took for THEM to get in.

They were also the first girl group to break the stranglehold that The Shirelles had on the charts.

I hope the Marvelettes get in.Too bad Gladys won't be here to see it.

Also,too bad The Spinners didn't make the cut this year.

Posted by Bill G. on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 23:10pm


I'm going to site something from this review: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-critics-notebook-does-rush-deserve-to-be-in-the-rock-hall-20121004,0,4904855.story?track=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=95857


"That said, if we play the “best” and “favorites” game, most can agree on the big names — the Beatles, Stones, Elvis, Little Richard, Dylan, Patti Smith, the Stooges, Run DMC, Aretha Franklin — those whose undeniable voices so obviously pushed rock 'n' roll and its many variations forward."

I love how he says that most can agree on the big names, then he goes on to cite two controversial inductees: Patti Smith and Run DMC (and to a lesser extent, The Stooges). Great artists? Yes, but they have their fair number of detractors. Are they no-brainers to the extent of The Beatles or The Rolling Stones, where anyone who says they don't belong is a 10-year-old Bieber fan or an idiot? No.

Posted by Pierre on Thursday, 10.4.12 @ 23:40pm


I'm not going to lie, I'm totally on The Marvelettes train. I think a lot of you are crazy to write-off their induction chances. Based on recent history, I think they have a fine shot of getting in.

"Please Mr. Postman" is hardly their best song or one of their few hits. They had a run of flat out amazing singles throughout the sixties and you'd all be well served to check out any compilation detailing this run. Their case holds a lot more water than The Ronettes (my personal favorite girl group, mind you) or The Chantels. The quality of their material and its commercial success are both clearly stronger than Mary Wells (who oddly was nominated in the first two years of this institution's existence).

I might as well make my prediction now:

Public Enemy
Donna Summer
Deep Purple
The Marvelettes - Ronettes got in, Little Anthony & The Imperials got in...
Randy Newman - Fills the Laura Nyro/Tom Waits/Leonard Cohen slot

If there's six...

Chic - Nile Rodgers' health issues will help, but I also get the feeling that they've been rather close in the past, hence why they keep getting nominated.

I'm also confident that they'll chuck Albert King into the Early Influences category when he can't get in through the front door. Fine by me although why the hell is he on the ballot in the first place?

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 00:37am


If the Songwriters Hall of Fame wants to play copy-cat this year, they will nominate and induct both Chic and Rush this year too. I hope it happens. The nominees will be announced in November.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 08:43am


i think there is no doubt though that both deep purple and rush will get in for 2013. now if rush gets in, in which they will, they will induct the 3 guys obviously, neil peart, alex lifeson, and geddy lee, but wut about john rutsey their early drummer from the first record, will het get in or will it be just the three mainstays of lee, lifeson, and peart? just an question to ask there because deep purple if they get inducted as a lot of members that they need to induct because of all the lineup changes.

Posted by chris on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 11:58am



Instead of picking the inductees, I'm going to order the nominees from most likely to least likely:

1. Donna Summer - sympathy vote always wins
2. Deep Purple - every rock band from 1975-present has to vote for them
3. Public Enemy - hard to tell what these voters will do with rap acts, but they are obviously deserving
4. The Marvellettes - Upset special! This voting body always, always, always votes for the act with the '60s pop hits
5. Heart - I thought they were a shoo-in last year. Not sure what to think now, but the repeat nomination indicates they got strong support
6. Rush - they have the passionate fanbase, but do they have enough love from their fellow musicians?
7. Procol Harum - '60s act helps them, only one big hit hurts them
8. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts - return nomination implies they got support
9. Kraftwerk - deserves induction based on influence, but unknown to most of the voters
10. Randy Newman - respected by critics and songwriters, potential dark horse. Does he still live under the apple tree from the Family Guy episode?
11. Chic - they've missed six times and their competition is stronger this time. But I said the same thing about Stooges the year they got in...
12. Albert King - not including his chances of getting the Wanda Jackson treatment
13. The Meters - somewhat obscure act, better in the sidemen category?
14. N.W.A. - on the same ballot with a comparable and superior candidate (PE), they have almost no shot this year
15. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - the weakest candidate on this list. But the weakest nominee last year was elected (L.Nyro), so you just never know

Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 14:48pm


Preferably:

Kraftwerk
The Meters
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Public Enemy
Randy Newman

But since they inducted 6 last year, throw in either Deep Purple or Donna Summer.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 17:57pm


People that think the Butterfield Blues Band aren't worthy or are a weak candidate either have a short memory or know nothing about the history of Rock and Roll.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 17:59pm


Despite yet another year full of glaring omissions, it's still a relatively strong field. The only acts I wouldn't put in the hall are Heart, Joan Jett/Blackhearts and Procol Harum. On the other hand, the only real must-induct no-brainer is Public Enemy.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 18:10pm


"On the other hand, the only real must-induct no-brainer is Public Enemy."

Oops -- and Kraftwerk.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 18:10pm


The probable five inductees for 2013 will be:
Donna (sympathy)
Rush
Randy Newman
Public Enemy
Heart

Sixth inductee could very well be Deep Purple.

Albert King, I predict, will be "an early influence" inductee. *roll eyes*

Posted by Tim on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 18:15pm


Eh scratch that:

Inductees:
Donna
Rush
Deep Purple
Heart
Public Enemy

The Marvelettes will probably be an upset somewhere though so I wouldn't count them out.

Posted by Tim on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 18:18pm


Actually Gassman and LAX, my opinion is really the other end. It's an okay ballot, but there's not really any acts I'm enthusiastic for. There's not even an act on this ballot that I'm a big fan of, from a personal taste standpoint. It's not a bad ballot, but there's not much on here for me to really get behind and root for. If Lesley Gore, the Spinners, or SRV made it like in my prediction, I would have something. I don't.

Gary U.S. Bonds and Mitch Ryder And The Detroit Wheels would make excellent additions, btw.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 18:34pm


Randy Newman is the only Songwriters Hall of Fame inductee on the Rock Hall ballot this year. He was inducted in 2002.

Well committee members will be voting as will past inductees, so I have a feeling the Marvelettes will get in on the first try. The Ronettes, The Ventures and The Dave Clark Five all got in recently.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 22:44pm







http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-nom-2013.html

SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR HAS POSTED HIS CRITIQUE OF THE 2013 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.5.12 @ 22:58pm



So, I'm wondering if Goldmine is doing their fan ballot this year. Their readers have the uncanny ability to choose the lamest possible combination of acts every year.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 00:10am


MY 2013 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES PREDICTION

The Marvelettes
Randy Newman
Donna Summer
Rush
Heart
Deep Purple
Chic
Public Enemy

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 00:35am


Good one Roy... I started thinking they may induct more than five in 2013. Especially more than six. Back in the past, this would've been a guaranteed list but we'll see in December.

Posted by Tim on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 04:21am


I think there will be six inductees and they will be:

Deep Purple
Rush
Randy Newman
Public Enemy
Heart
Donna Summer

And Albert King getting slipped in as an Early Influence

Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 05:01am


Did... did digitaldreamdoor just say kraftwerk was not only less worthy than the marvellettes, but also not worthy of induction?

I seriously hope i'm not meant to take this site seriously.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 10:30am


LOL they basically called the Paul Butterfield Blues Band Jann Wenner's lap dogs due to their Bob Dylan association lol

By the way anyone else having a problem assessing the Examiner article?

Posted by Tim on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 13:15pm


Yeah, GFW, DDD and Goldmine are the first two assessments that I end up immediately dismissing every year (not counting Roger Friedman or Eddie Trunk, neither of whom I even take seriously enough in the first place to be able to dismiss.)

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 13:44pm


DDD is a joke. They only care about Metal, Prog and 80's shit-rock.

Posted by Chalkie on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 14:49pm


Wondering.... have there been any father and son (or any parent-child)inductees? Are there likely to be in the foreseeable future?

Posted by Darrin A on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 16:32pm


"Wondering.... have there been any father and son (or any parent-child)inductees? Are there likely to be in the foreseeable future?"

The Staples Singers

The Carter Family could end up in the Early Influences category someday. Arlo Guthrie is a possibility though frankly he doesn't deserve induction. Rufus and Carla Thomas are also a possibility.

Posted by Chalkie on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 16:37pm


Loudon Wainwright and Kate & Anna McGarrigle are/were great artists but will probably never end up in the Hall (and it's arguable whether they should. I'd say no, for the record). Rufus by all rights is a potential inductee a few years down the road, though I don't think he's mainstream enough.

Posted by Chalkie on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 16:41pm


Rufus Wainwright that is.

Posted by Chalkie on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 16:42pm


My predictions:

Donna Summer (A virtual lock)
Public Enemy (ditto)
Albert King (Although the Hall will most likely induct him as an Early Influence, which would be erroneous as King's first single came out in 1953 and his first album debuted in 1962)
Deep Purple (Too major of a name to be ignored)
Kraftwerk (They'll establish a precedent which will allow future synthpop/electronic acts in get in, like Gary Numan and Depeche Mode)
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band (The token '60s nominee, although they're far worthier than Buffalo Springfield or Laura Nyro)

Heart, Rush, Joan Jett & the Blackhearts, Chic, The Marvelettes, N.W.A., and Randy Newman will all eventually get in within the next 3-5 years.

This is actually quite a strong lineup. The only unworthy act I see is Procol Harum.

Regarding Sampson's analysis on DDD, I do find The Marvelettes being ranked higher than Kraftwerk to be a head-scratcher. That said, Bruce (one of the regular posters on their forums) is very knowledgeable about music (especially pre-60s music) and I value his opinions highly.

Posted by Zach on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 17:57pm




Something that stands out to me reading the annual RRHoF whinefest around the internet is that there seems to be a prevailing opinion that only white dominated subgenres qualify for the RRHoF. Black dominated subgenres should all be ghettoized into their own genre specific HoFs.

And some people actually want the public to be able to vote on these things. No thanks.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.6.12 @ 23:29pm


@DarinRG, if it ain't one thing it's another...

Posted by Tim on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 03:35am


@Tim: I got trouble on my mind and I'm gonna sort it all out on FRL. Believe that.

And good luck to the Marvelettes. They'd be a fine inductee.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 03:54am


WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR 2013

N.W.A
Public Enemy
Kraftwerk
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 04:00am


Roy- Replace Joan Jett with Albert King and retitle it "Best Case Scenario" and youire dead on balls accurate.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 04:30am


Best Case Scenario

Deep Purple
Rush
Donna Summer
Randy Newman
The Marvelettes

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 06:25am


Here's my 100% biased and personal best case scenario:

Deep Purple
Kraftwerk
Procol Harum
The Marvelettes
Albert King

Awww yeah, now that's a ballot!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 06:42am


Personal Five:

Chic
Deep Purple
Heart
The Marvelettes
Rush

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 06:50am


Whoah, Tahvo, Greg, wanna wrestle? Actually my dream class changes by the pint. Kraftwerk, PE and Albert are my consistent staples, but I keep wavering on the other two spots.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 06:56am


You too, Cheese, we'll make it a Fatal Four Way.

(Can't wait to read this shit back tomorrow)

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 07:02am


Kraftwerk, Public Enemy, Albert King, Deep Purple, Chic. That's my final ballot for tonight.

Posted by drg on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 07:25am


If I were to be utterly biased:

Rush
Deep Purple
Kraftwerk
PE
N.W.A

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 10:15am


You too, Cheese, we'll make it a Fatal Four Way.

(Can't wait to read this shit back tomorrow)

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 07:02am
--------------------------------------------------
O.K, here it is - the ultimate rock & roll wrestling story -

It's 1986 - the theoretical height of the coolness level of pro wrestling. Your's truly is set to do battle in a cgae match w/an opponent who will remain nameless.

As all true wrestling fans know, one must have the proper mood music to suggest what kind of character you are. In my case, I want something with a hint of danger, perhaps a hint of mystery - so I opt for Def Leppard's "Too Late For Love".

I know. Def Lep? "Too Late For Love"? Listen again to the first 30 seconds. It is incredibly atmospheric. The key, of course, is to make sure that it doesn't play for longer than the first 30 seconds, lest the song kick in, & the effect lost.

Entrusting a loyal friend to man the boom box (& who has promised to cut the song about 25 seconds in), I enter the cage, my leftover Halloween paint creating a fearsome visage. My opponent, who has brought his girlfriend to act as his valet (he bribed her w/a slice of pizza & a Yoo-Hoo) is already waiting. Def Lep's keening dramatics are pumping through the soundsystem. I am awesome. I am menacing. I am striking fear into the heart of what few friends have the guts to witness this debacle.

Nothing can spoil the mood. This is, until a buddy comes by and proudly announces he's just bought a baseball card for a $1.50, and has just discovered it's worth about $25.00. Everyone wants to see it - including the king of the soundsystem.

Def Lep goes beyond 30 seconds. My opponents girlfriend starts to gush all over the place. My opponent can do nothing, cause he's doubled up in hysterics on the ground. So's the ref. I am about to forfeit & clear the decks, when I see my opponent waving his arms & pretty much begging me to shut off the song (as no doubt the jarring combo of my menacing appearance & this romantic song has served as too devastating a contradiction to handle). I win by forfeit.

Having stumbled upon this scheme, I proceeded to win several matches in the neighborhood, all through the same means. The lesson learned here, is this:

What Ya Gonna Do When The Def Leppard Destroyer Runs Wild On You!!!!!

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 13:32pm


OK, here's my take on this year's batch of nominees. Should've written this a few days ago but I've been fairly busy. I ordered these from most likely to get inducted to least likely, at least based on how I feel about things right now:

Donna Summer:
Pretty much everybody knew Donna Summer was going to be nominated and the fact certain important people at the Hall have spoken in favor only solidifies her chances as does the controversy surrounding her death (not being inducted in time). I'd say a 99% chance of induction here.

Public Enemy:
Like Donna Summer, most people knew they'd get nominated. One of the most important rap groups of all time, Public Enemy will be rap's next addition to the Hall in the wake of the Beastie Boys last year. Very often the Hall does a first ballot inductee and this year the first year eligible, first year nominated, first year inducted award will go to Public Enemy. Almost guaranteed.

Deep Purple:
I'm less certain on this one than either of the two aforementioned (Remember how many nominations it took Black Sabbath?), nevertheless, Deep Purple are the strongest "pure rawk" candidate on the ballot this year and certainly one I've personally complained about for quite a while (they're in the Top 5 of my own biggest snubs list). Additionally, the Hall usually prefers artists who had their biggest success in the early 70's (closer to their beloved 60's) than the late 70's (like Heart), so this should be in their favor. Then again, since it IS their first nomination I wouldn't be surprised if the induction didn't happen, but it's definitely something to look for.

Randy Newman:
I think Randy Newman's chances are underrated by most people. It's no secret the Hall loves their singer-songwriters and I see him as next in line in the Cohen/Waits/Nyro grouping (and don't forget Cohen and Waits both got in on their first nominations, this being Newman's second with three being the lucky number for Nyro). The fact the Hall's ceremony will be in L.A. this upcoming year only adds to Newman's favor.

Procol Harum:
Arguably the world's first prog band, Procol Harum are on the ballot this year probably as the token 60's pick (Well with the Marvelettes and in a way the Paul Butterfield Blues Band anyway, but Procol Harum seems the most obvious). Don't forget that the 60's pick almost always gets inducted the first year nominated (as the Small Faces can attest last year). The only problem for them I can foresee if the older voters go for the Marvelettes instead. Still, expect to expect them.

Rush:
Was their nomination this year a mere bone's throw of acknowledgement to their fan base (one of the world's most vocal) as Kiss' was a few years ago or is the Hall legitimately considering the Canadian proggers most famously known as a trio? Only time will tell but of the more "rockist" acts on the ballot year, Rush stands as the best bet after Deep Purple partly due to their vocal fan base (they are dominating fan polls of this year's nominees everywhere you look online, and frankly who's surprised? The only upset I can see for them is if the Hall goes for Heart instead, which brings us too..

Heart:
Their second consecutive nomination proves they've got friends in high places. If they fail to get inducted this time you can almost hear the cries of sexism already. Superior and more deserving than Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, they nevertheless risk facing a ballot split between themselves and the latter. They also have stiff competition with Rush and Deep Purple being up at the same time but that's similar to what everybody said the year the Stooges got in so you never know.

Kraftwerk:
More relevant today than ever (and aside from Public Enemy and N.W.A. one of the most relevant acts to today's music on the ballot this year), these German masters are on their second nomination. Will this be the year for them and for the Hall to add another name to their list of foreign inductees? Now seems the best chance more than ever for the Krafties and I legitimately think it could be their year (they're near, if not at the top of my personal snubs list). I've got my fingers crossed but this time not being a well-known name to much of the electorate will work against them. We will see.

The Marvelettes:
One of the last deserving girl groups of their era (others being Shangri-Las and Chantels, thanks Bill G. for the word up on the latter) the Marvelettes could be this year's upset as others have seen. The Hall loves the 60's (their recently inducted contemporaries the Ronettes can attest). Their induction this year may or may not come at the expense of Procol Harum.

Chic:
Chic have a curse of seemingly always being on the ballot together with Donna Summer and the disco ballot getting split as well as having the dubious honor of having the most nominations without an induction (clearly someone wants them in though, so that's a positive development). This year, with Summer's virtually guaranteed enshrinement it'll be even tougher for Chic. The Hall might look to avoid a Donna Summer-like scenario in future since Nile Rodgers has cancer. Unfortunately, I just can't see the Hall putting two disco inductees in at once.

Albert King:
I'm not the type of guy who if I see a bandwagon somewhere, I'll jump on it. Yet, this time I'm going to have to join the gang who say Albert King will be this year's Wanda Jackson/Freddie King (nominated as Performer, inducted as Early Influence). Like the two former, he is more deserving as a Performer and inducted him as an "Early" influence is in many ways inappropriate. That being said, it's better having him represented than not represented. As this year's guitar God pick (King, Jeff Beck being some of the most recent ones) this opens up an induction for Stevie Ray Vaughan coming up next (unless they choose to go for Johnny Winter who they may or may not skip over to get to SRV as Tom Lane mentioned on his blog).

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band:
Far from being undeserving and a talented group, I nevertheless see them as this year's J. Geils Band. It's not a really a secret they are basically on the ballot because of Jann Wenner and Paul Shaffer, I would like to see them get in eventually and they are bound to collect a few votes, will it be enough?

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts:
I don't think Joan Jett herself is undeserving but I think Joan Jett and the Blackhearts are. Most of their hits were covers and they weren't groundbreaking, nor the first female-fronted rock band (far from, actually). That being said, they clearly have enough friends in high places to be nominated a second year in a row (maybe a legacy of last year's Women Who Rock exhibit like Heart?). There could be a potentially ballot split with them and Heart but I think the more deserving Heart will win out in such a scenario.

N.W.A.
Very deserving N.W.A. are also the most controversial name on the ballot this year, something which will work against them as most of the older electorate are probably horrified at their mere nomination in the first place. If that's not bad enough, the superior rap act, Public Enemy, is also on the ballot this year and since that induction is almost certain it'll come at the expense of N.W.A. (or Randy Newman's induction will come at their expense too, see Digitaldreamdoor's analysis on that for more info as I thought it was a fairly astute observation). It's not to say controversy won't win (it did for the Sex Pistols), I just don't think it will this time around for N.W.A.

The Meters:
I feel sort of cheeky having them as the last name mentioned since I'm not sure they actually have the lowest chance of any of the nominees, on the contrary, we may even see the Hall going the backdoor and inducting them as sidemen (don't look for it though). On their second nomination, the Hall seems to have gone with them this year almost instead of the Spinners. As to why, well that's anyone's guess (potentially due to possible backdoor???).

I won't spend time on the other categories since that's almost always random, though I wouldn't be surprised if Philip Paul got the sideman nod. For Non-Performers, look for someone not in the Rock Hall Revisited/Projected Hall as it seems to be a pattern recently (Art Rupe, Jac Holzman, Glyn Johns all inducted at the Rock Hall before Revisited/Projected).

So, in summary the potential performer inductees, I don't know how many inductees there'll be but I'm banking on 5, 6 or 7:

Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Deep Purple
Randy Newman
Procol Harum and/or the Marvelettes
Rush and/or Heart and/or Kraftwerk

Chic potentially being an upset at the expense of any of the above.

Albert King getting in as an Early Influence.

The Meters potentially getting in as sideman.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 14:28pm


I like those odds Tahvo...

Posted by Tim on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 15:31pm


LOL @ DarinRG, I heard that. Yeah the Marvelettes will definitely be a good pick. They'd probably be the '60s pick. I can't see Procol Harum and Paul Butterfield inducted just yet.

Posted by Tim on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 15:33pm


Concerning potential parent/child inductees, Tim and Jeff Buckley are certainly both deserving.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 15:59pm


Here are my predictions:

Deep Purple
Rush
Randy Newman
Public Enemy
Heart
Donna Summer

And Albert King getting slipped in as an Early Influence

If that is the case, that is a really strong class. If I had my choice and I were King of Rock, my six would be:

Deep Purple
Kraftwerk
Rush
Randy Newman
Heart
Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Then, since it has already been done anyway, I'd go ahead and use the cheap trick of putting Albert King in as an Early Influence too. He deserves to be in, and that may be the quickest way to get him off the books.

For my longer take and analysis, check out my post on my blog: http://www.gonnaneedabiggerboat.blogspot.com/2012/10/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-2013-nominees.html

Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 16:49pm


The Rock Hall should just change Early Influence to Influence like Rock Hall Revisited did and get it over with, that makes much more sense anyway!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 17:06pm


Excellent analysis, Tahvo. Impressive.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 18:37pm


P.S., Rock Hall Monitors has my initial reaction to the news.

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 18:44pm


This is the "ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME". NOT the "ROCK" Hall of Fame. There's a difference. There are STILL some people who don't get that. That means it should include ALL branches of Rock and Roll ...including R&B, Progressive, Doo-Wop, Motown, Metal, Hard Rock, Soft Rock, Disco, ALL OF IT.

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 18:49pm




This is the "ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME". NOT the "ROCK" Hall of Fame. There's a difference. There are STILL some people who don't get that. That means it should include ALL branches of Rock and Roll ...including R&B, Progressive, Doo-Wop, Motown, Metal, Hard Rock, Soft Rock, Disco, ALL OF IT.

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 18:49pm


Amen to that, Bill.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 19:35pm


What Ya Gonna Do When The Def Leppard Destroyer Runs Wild On You!!!!!

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 13:32pm

Bravo!!!!

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 19:44pm


I might as well take it upon myself to be Joan Jett's knight in shining armor, seeing as how she isn't receiving too much support.

I'm not sure if others are aware, but Joan Jett was the first female artist to start her own record label. She and Kenny Laguna (her frequent songwriting partner and producer) founded Blackheart Records in 1980. That's a pretty extraordinary accomplishment considering how rock 'n' roll is largely male-dominated.

Jett's had tons of influence on the riot girl scene, with the likes of Bikini Kill, The Donnas, Hole, and L7 citing her as an influence/inspiration.

I'll dig up some quotes/sources later, as I'm going to crash for the night.

Posted by Zach on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 20:20pm


Bill G., some of those who don't get it include those on the Nominating Committee. Prog and the decade of the 80's seem to be the most egregious in my view.

It's cool that they offer up Procol Harum and (finally) Rush, but to have never even nominated Yes, King Crimson, ELP, ELO or Moody Blues...ridiculous. And Rush for the first time just this year?

The 80's is just as ridiculous. The Cure were finally nominated last year for the first time, but still no Joy Division, New Order, Cars, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Replacements, Sonic Youth, etc. etc. etc.

I could rant equally effectively for metal. Judas Priest? Iron Maiden? Motorhead?

Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 20:21pm


http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1128

THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME THREAD ON DDD

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 21:13pm


I'm going to guess if Kraftwerk get in this year then Can or Neu! might get a nomination next year.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 02:21am


"Bill G., some of those who don't get it include those on the Nominating Committee. Prog and the decade of the 80's seem to be the most egregious in my view."

Posted by Dezmond

I agree, Dezmond. Also late 60's /early 70's Soul is another. Where are the nominations/inductions for:

Barry White

Lou Rawls

The Chi-Lites

The Manhattans

The Defonics

The Stylistics

The Pointer Sisters

The Spinners (nominated, but not inducted)

The Dramatics

The Whispers

Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes

Jr Walker & The All-Stars (more like early Sixties, but deserving , just the same.)

Mary Wells (ditto...nominated twice, but no cigar).

It seems that the RRHOF has completely passed over this era of music, and went straight to Eighties Rap.

WHY ??

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 03:30am


I'm going to guess if Kraftwerk get in this year then Can or Neu! might get a nomination next year.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 02:21am


Now you're just getting cocky, Greg. ;)

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 03:35am


In addition, there should be more Special Committee Inductions for 2013....to make up for past errors....such as :

The Belmonts

The Wailers

The E Street Band

The Silver Bullet Band

The Dominoes (Jackie Wilson and Clyde McPhatter are in....but what about the REST of the group ?? It would look really stupid for the lead singers to get in ...while the rest of the Dominoes go in as "Early Influences").

Can anyone else name any more?

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 03:36am


Bill - Some would include Wings with McCartney, and Patti Smith's "Group" would be another possibility.

I've also heard pitches and rebuttals for Big Brother & the Holding Company and the Mothers of Invention.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 03:51am


Excellent analysis, Tahvo. Impressive.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.7.12 @ 18:37pm

Thanks, Philip!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 04:18am




I'm going to guess if Kraftwerk get in this year then Can or Neu! might get a nomination next year.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 02:21am


Now you're just getting cocky, Greg. ;)

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 03:35am

I know DarinRG but this is the first year I guessed the most right and besides my guess would make some sense. If Kraftwerk does get inducted wouldn't it make sense for the nominating committee to move on to either Can or Neu! or possibly Depeche Mode or Gary Numan? Can't wait til next to see how I do.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 06:00am


I gonna guess the inductions.

If 5:

Rush
Donna Summer
Deep Purple
The Marvelettes
Public Enemy

If 6:

Rush
Donna Summer
Deep Purple
The Marvelettes
Public Enemy
Heart

If 7:

Rush
Donna Summer
Deep Purple
The Marvelettes
Public Enemy
Heart
Kraftwerk

If 8:

Rush
Donna Summer
Deep Purple
The Marvelettes
Public Enemy
Heart
Kraftwerk
Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 06:22am


Future Sidemen and Addendum Inductees

The Belmonts

01. Fred Milano
02. Angelo D'Aleo
03. Carlo Mastrangelo

The Jordanaires

01. Bill Matthews
02. Gordon Stoker
03. Don Bruce
04. Bob Hubbard
05. Neal Matthews
06. Monty Matthews
07. Hoyt Hawkins
08. Culley Holt
09. Hugh Jarrett
10. Ray Walker
11. Bob Money

The Funk Brothers

01. James Jamerson
02. Benny Benjamin
03. Joe Messina
04. Eddie Willis
05. Robert White
06. Johnny Griffith
07. Jack Ashford
08. Earl Van Dyke
09. Richard "Pistol" Allen
10. Eddie "Bongo" Brown
11. Uriel Jones
12. Bob Babbitt
13. Joe Hunter
14. Marvin Gaye
15. Dennis Coffey

The Wrecking Crew

01. Joe Osborn
02. Larry Carlton
03. Fred Carter, Jr.
04. Tommy Tedesco
05. Leon Russell
06. Billy Strange
07. Hal Blaine
08. Earl Palmer
09. Larry Knechtel
10. Barney Kessel
11. Carol Kaye
12. Glen Campbell
13. Al Casey
14. Rene Hall
15. Don Peake
16. Howard Roberts
17. James Burton
18. Jerry Cole
19. Bill Aken
20. Mike Deasy
21. Doug Bartenfeld
22. Ray Pohlman
23. Bill Pitman
24. Irv Rubins
25. Louie Shelton
26. Steve Douglas
27. Jay Migliori
28. Jim Horn
29. Plas Johnson
30. Nino Tempo
31. Gene Cipriano
32. Roy Caton
33. Tony Terran
34. Ollie Mitchell
35. Chuck Findley
36. Lou Blackburn
37. Richard "Slyde" Hyde
38. Lew McCreary
39. Mac Rebennack (aka Dr. John)
40. Mike Melvoin
41. Don Randi
42. Al De Lory
43. Mike (Michel) Rubini
44. Max Bennett
45. Chuck Berghofer
46. Ray Pohlman
47. Lyle Ritz
48. Red Callender
49. Jimmy Bond
50. Jim Gordon
51. Julius Wechter
52. Gary L. Coleman
53. Frank Capp
54. Jack Nitzsche
55. Tommy Morgan

The Mothers of Invention / The Mothers

01. Ray Collins
02. Jimmy Carl Black
03. Roy Estrada
04. Henry Vestine
05. Elliot Ingber
06. Jim Fielder
07. Don Preston
08. Bunk Gardner
09. Billy Mundi
10. Euclid James Motorhead Sherwood
11. Ian Underwood
12. Arthur Dyer Tripp III
13. Lowell George
14. Buzz Gardner
15. Jeff Simmons
16. George Duke
17. Aynsley Dunbar
18. Mark Volman
19. Howard Kaylan
20. Jim Pons
21. Bob Harris
22. Ralph Humphrey
23. Jean-Luc Ponty
24. Sal Marquez
25. Tom Fowler
26. Bruce Fowler
27. Ruth Underwood
28. Napoleon Murphy Brock
29. Chester Thompson
30. Terry Bozzio
31. Denny Walley

The Wailers

01. Peter Tosh
02. Bunny Wailer
03. Cherry Smith
04. Beverley Kelso
05. Junior Braithwaite
06. Constantine Walker
07. Hugh Malcolm
08. Aston Barrett
09. Carlton Barrett
10. Earl Lindo
11. Alvin Patterson
12. Rita Marley
13. Marcia Griffiths
14. Judy Mowatt
15. Al Anderson
16. Tyrone Downie
17. Junior Marvin

Wings

01. Linda McCartney
02. Denny Laine
03. Denny Seiwell
04. Henry McCullough
05. Jimmy McCulloch
06. Geoff Britton
07. Joe English
08. Laurence Juber
09. Steve Holley

The Silver Bullet Band

01. Drew Abbott
02. Charlie Allen Martin
03. Rick Mannassa
04. Chris Campbell
05. Alto Reed (Tom Cartmell)
06. Mark Chatfield
07. Shaun Murphy
08. Laura Creamer
09. Rick Vito
10. Fred Tackett
11. David Teegarden
12. Dawayne Bailey
13. Don Brewer
14. Craig Frost

The E Street Band

01. Clarence Clemons
02. Danny Federici
03. Vini Lopez
04. David Sancious
05. Garry Tallent
06. Ernest Carter
07. Roy Bittan
08. Suki Lahav
09. Max Weinberg
10. Steven Van Zandt
11. Nils Lofgren
12. Patti Scialfa

The Revolution

01. Dez Dickerson
02. Andre Cymone
03. Gayle Chapman
04. Bobby Z.
05. Matt Fink
06. Brown Mark
07. Lisa Coleman
08. Wendy Melvoin
09. Eric Leeds

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 07:56am


I think that since it's no longer a surprise, this year's addendum inductees will be announced on the same day as the regular inductees.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 08:15am


i will be shocked if deep purple, rush, and/or heart dont get inducted to the hall of fame in 2013

Posted by chris on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 15:14pm


I would do one of my analysis but I've found the formula to be flawed after I tried it with yes and ended up with them as first ballot inductees and more vital than James Brown. Anyone else wanna have a crack at it?

Posted by GFW on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 16:16pm


Been reading everyone's recent rantings, re: the 80's, metal, late 60's/early 70's soul, etc.

Knowing what we know about how the voting committee works, a point or two here:

These people got all hot & bothered by the 60's, but when it didn't go their way, they were stunned to realize that the world was going to go on w/out them. As a result, they chose the path of least resistance to their own personal tastes - & then divorced themselves of everyone & everything else. In short, these people realized, much like their favorite rock groups, that at some point you've got to figure out if this is going to be a lifetime thing.

When the answer became yes, the critics decided that they might as well follow the plan as well. In doing so, they chucked aside late 60's/early 70's soul, cause their definition of black pop was Motown, circa 64-68, & also because these soul groups wouldn't get w/the Black Panther political end of the deal. They had acts like Sly/Funkadelic, etc., to run the gamut. Later on, they got wise w/the funk, & figured they'd done themselves a service by getting hip to the "new" sound, circa 72/73. Near as I can figure, they dated soul as "unhip" by this point (you know - Kool & the Gang, YES; The Chi-Lites NO). Not much sense there, but who's going to hold them to it Now...

They ditched prog because it suggested that the late 60's albums could be improved upon. In short, there was no way today's Tom Sawyer was getting high off yesterday's "Tommy", no matter if Rush could outdo it - & they are but one example.

They ditched metal caused they feared their inability to control the technical excesses of the new universe. The loudest it could get was Cream/Hendrix; they couldn't take the Velvet's, if you'll remember. Now try & put Black Sabbath into this logic, & guess what happens, Mr. Wizard...

They followed the path of least resistance. Is it laid back (soft rock/country rock)? Cool. Does it have a showbiz feel (Bowie/glam)? Cool. Is it retro (everybody from Springsteen to Suzi Quatro)? Cool. They jumped on CBGB's cause anyone w/a 1/4 ounce of a brain trying to sell a magazine knows you do that.

The 80's can't catch a break cause a. MTV copped their reason for existence; & b. if they were already scared of what Sabbath was doing w/a Guitar in 70, what makes you think they're gonna warm up to any synthesizer groups a decade later??!!! Look at the 80's acts that are in; do they follow the path of least resistance, a'la the 70's? If they do, then there's your answer. They didn't forget the 80's - they're just following a diff. path.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 10.8.12 @ 18:28pm


Sorry. Wrong thread:

I'm still stuck on Procol Harum's nomination. The basic explanation is that they are "arguably" the first prog rock band. Among the reasons why it's "arguable" is that prog rock isn't that easy to define. There is a whole discussion of the first bona fide prog album. Was it Freak Out (1966)? Pink Floyd's first album (early 1967)? Jefferson Airplane's Surealistic Pillow (1967)? Moody Blue's Days of Future Past (1967)? King Crimson's Court of the Crimson King (1968)? And many people point to elements of Sgt.Pepper, a massive album. (Zappa would always accuse the Beatles of borrowing ideas from Freak Out to make the album).
What all this points to is that to say that any band was the "first" prog rock band is difficult at best and pointless at worst. What you saw instead was a general trend toward more complicated composition with more artistic elements. This went on across the board; think of the Who's debut compared to Tommy for example.
Moreover, to say that Procol Harum was arguably the first prog rock band runs into two major problems. The first is chronological. Freak Out. Surealistic Pillow. Pink Floyd's first album. Sgt. Pepper. Days of Future Past. All were recorded and/or came out before Procol Harum's debut.
But that aside, it's really the second problem that destroys this claim. Specifically, Procol Harum's 1967 debut is really not a prog album. A few songs involve symphonic elements, but the album is on the whole extremely conventional. No one listening to it would have seen it as anything distinctive. Just compare it to Freak Out or Pink Floyd's debut or especially Days of Future Past. There is no comparison. I actually get the impression that the "first prog band" claim is getting rehashed without the benefit of listening to their first album. Of course that people are unfamilar with it besides Whiter Shade of Pale is part of the issue.
Finally, even if people persist in the first prog band claim, they still need to show an actual impact. Zappa, Floyd, the Beatles, Jefferson Airplane, the Moody Blues-none of their contemporaneous albums can be attributed to Procol Harum for obvious chronological reasons. And there is no basis to think that later prog bands (King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, ELP) were in the slightest way influenced by or indebted to Procol Harum. They clearly had much stronger antecedents to choose from and were again part of the general trend. Every objection aside, there has to be more to it than arguably being "first".

All that said, I realize that people are basing their induction possibilities on being a 60's era act and the Hall's track record. That may be right, but it's still all backroom bs. I guess it's worthwhile to clearly identify it as such.

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 04:24am


I'm still stuck on Procol Harum's nomination. The basic explanation is that they are "arguably" the first prog rock band. Among the reasons why it's "arguable" is that prog rock isn't that easy to define. There is a whole discussion of the first bona fide prog album. Was it Freak Out (1966)? Pink Floyd's first album (early 1967)? Jefferson Airplane's Surealistic Pillow (1967)? Moody Blue's Days of Future Past (1967)? King Crimson's Court of the Crimson King (1968)? And many people point to elements of Sgt.Pepper, a massive album. (Zappa would always accuse the Beatles of borrowing ideas from Freak Out to make the album).
What all this points to is that to say that any band was the "first" prog rock band is difficult at best and pointless at worst. What you saw instead was a general trend toward more complicated composition with more artistic elements. This went on across the board;

etc., etc.

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 04:24am
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Hope you don't mind my joining you at this hour.

You answered your own question here. There is no real reason for Procol Harum to be nominated, outside of their being a 60's act that the Hall wishes to stuff in the walls of the 1960's Hall of Fame & Museum w/Peripheral acts.

One way to look at it is to go right back to the beginning. Technically, all rock that came after the 1950's was progressive. Once the first rock era ended, anybody doing anything beyond this point would be "progressing" the music. You certainly couldn't be "regressing" the music, unless you were of a pre-rock ilk. Thing is, nobody dates it till after the Beatles showed up.

One reason, I think, is cause the Beatles, being English, ended up trapped by American stereotypes, one of which is that we are dealing w/highbrows here. Never mind, of course, that Motown had already created a "progressive" R&B, in terms of it's altering the sound of the music. Never mind the Dick Dale's & the Link Wray's, who'd also moved things forward down at street level.

Everybody assumes highbrow must mean classical; they're stuffy over there, & we're culture at a root level. Therefore, anyone tossing in string quartets must be "progressing" the music. One could argue that "Eleanor Rigby" is the first "prog" tune under those circumstances. If the Four Freshman are highbrow enough for you, than forget "Freak Out" as well as "Sgt. Pepper"; it's the Beach Boys you want. No one will suggest that an American can be progressive - at least not back then.

At the same time, technology is also a benchmark. Was Hendrix not "prog" in his own way? Even Zeppelin can be said to have been progressive, at least in how they approached their musical interests via technology. It's a whole can of worms that you can't work out, which is just fine if you want to allow someone entrance to their private club in such a manner.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 04:59am


how about randy newman, how are his chances of getting in?

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 12:29pm


Nomination *SNUBS*

Afrika Bambaataa
Big Star
Blue Cheer
Boogie Down Productions
Can
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band
The Cure
Dinosaur Jr.
Nick Drake
Fairport Convention
The Fall
The Fugs
Hüsker Dü
The Jam
Judas Priest
King Crimson
Fela Kuti
MC5
Motörhead
New York Dolls
Gram Parsons
Lee Perry
Pixies
The Pogues
Roxy Music
Silver Apples
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
The 13th Floor Elevators
Peter Tosh
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Scott Walker
X
The Zombies

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 15:18pm


@chris, I used to think it was certain but judging from the fact that this is his second nod from some years back, maybe his chances are slim. Especially considering Rush and Deep Purple being on there.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 15:22pm


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Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 15:53pm


Heart would be a terrible addition. This isn't the Hall of Affirmative Action. If you want more women in the Hall try the Slits, the Raincoats and/or the Runaways.

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 16:14pm


@Cheesecrop-I certainly have no illusions about the propriety of the whole process. But however it started, their private club has become something that the media and artists themselves take seriously. But if they truly want their club to be taken seriously then they have to develop some consistency beyond backroom dealings. This reminds me of the Veteran's Committee for the MLB HOF, which was notorious for nominating their pals. No one would have thought twice about at least the nomination of acts like the Moody Blues, Jethro Tull, Yes or even King Crimson or Love. Instead they pull a name out of hat. Even in the context of ramming through as many of their beloved 60s acts as possible, the choice is still arbitrary and inexplicable.

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 16:30pm


How the hell are the runaways, slits and raincoats better better choices than Heart?

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 16:51pm


How the hell are the runaways, slits and raincoats better better choices than Heart?

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 16:54pm


Simple: actual influence and innovation over airplay.

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 17:04pm


'This reminds me of the Veteran's Committee for the MLB HOF, which was notorious for nominating their pals.' - astrodog

I wasn't quite thinking like that, but a comparison with the Baseball Hall Of Fame is an excellent one. Although I've now moved back to the UK I still analyze THAT Hall Of Fame closely. At the rate they're going to have less credibility than this Hall. How they're doing things now resembles the prejudices of the RRHOF. Example: Last year some writers didn't vote for Jeff Bagwell because they think he 'might' have taken steroids, despite there being no evidence to suggest he did, and because of this he didn't get in. They might do the same with Mike Piazza this year for the same reason. The selectiveness and double standards surrounding the baseball establishment are similar to the recent activities of the RRHOF.

I don't dislike Procol Harum or anything, but nominating them over King Crimson is strange.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 10.9.12 @ 18:33pm


LOL @ the Runaways being better than Heart. I dig Cherry Bomb and I Love Playing with Fire but you gotta come better than that.

Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 00:54am


I'm pretty sure Herat has been more influential than ll three of those bands.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 11:26am


definitely more influential

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 12:17pm


Rock Hall Inductees who will be voting for Deep Purple and Rush

The Rolling Stones, Cream, The Yardbirds, The Band, The Grateful Dead, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, Buffalo Springfield, Fleetwood Mac, The Eagles, Queen, Aerosmith, Ramones, Talking Heads, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, The Clash, The Police, AC/DC, ZZ Top, U2, The Pretenders, Blondie, Black Sabbath, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Van Halen, Metallica, The Stooges, Genesis, Alice Cooper, Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 20:12pm


9 women on the ballot this year.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 20:19pm


11 women on the ballot this year.

Gladys Horton
Katherine Anderson
Georgeanna Tillman
Wanda Young
Ann Wilson
Nancy Wilson
Donna Summer
Alfa Anderson
Norma Jean Wright
Luci Martin
Joan Jett

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 10.10.12 @ 20:30pm


12 women on the ballot this year.

Gladys Horton
Katherine Anderson
Georgeanna Tillman
Wanda Young
Juanita Cowart
Ann Wilson
Nancy Wilson
Donna Summer
Alfa Anderson
Norma Jean Wright
Luci Martin
Joan Jett

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 07:44am


dont forget about john mellencamp and billy joel who will vote for deep purple and rush also.

Posted by chris on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 12:31pm


http://www.songhall.org/news/entry/songwriters_hall_of_fame_2013_nominees_for_induction_announced

No one from the 2013 Rock Hall

Nominees for the 2013 Songwriters Hall of Fame announced

Non-Performer Songwriters

Bobby Braddock, Don Covay, Randy Goodrum, Tony Hatch, Holly Knight, Bob McDill, Rick Nowels, JD Souther, Rod Temperton, Dennis Lambert/Brian Potter, P.F. Sloan/Steve Barri

Performer/Songwriters

Jimmy Buffett, Elvis Costello, Ray Davies, Vince Gill, B.B. King, Jeff Lynne, Steve Winwood, Bobby Womack, Lindsey Buckingham/Christine McVie/Stevie Nicks, Mick Jones/Lou Gramm, Annie Lennox/Dave Stewart, Steven Tyler/Joe Perry

5 will be inducted. 3 from the Non-Performers and 2 Performers.

My prediction:

Rod Temperton or Don Covay
Dennis Lambert/Brian Potter
P.F. Sloan/Steve Barri
Steve Winwood
Mick Jones/Lou Gramm

The 2013 Annual Awards Gala will take place at the New York Marriott Marquis on Thursday, June 13th.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10.11.12 @ 23:29pm


^

Thanks Roy, at least one Hall finally finds Jeff Lynne worthy.

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 07:08am


Rush, Deep Purple and Heart are the TOP 3 vote getters in all the polls. Then everything changes!

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Poll

01. Rush
02. Deep Purple
03. Heart
04. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
05. Albert King
06. Public Enemy
07. Donna Summer
08. Procol Harum
09. N.W.A
10. Randy Newman
11. Kraftwerk
12. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
13. The Meters
14. The Marvelettes
15. Chic

Future Rock Legends Poll

01. Rush
02. Deep Purple
03. Heart
04. Public Enemy
05. Donna Summer
06. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
07. Kraftwerk
08. Albert King
09. Randy Newman
10. Procol Harum
11. N.W.A
12. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
13. The Marvelettes
14. Chic
15. The Meters

MSNBC Poll

01. Rush
02. Deep Purple
03. Heart
04. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
05. Donna Summer
06. Public Enemy
07. N.W.A
08. Procul Harum
09. Albert King
10. Randy Newman
11. Kraftwerk
12. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
13. The Marvelettes
14. The Meters
15. Chic

VH1 Poll

01. Rush
02. Deep Purple
03. Heart
04. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
05. Albert King
06. Procol Harum
07. Donna Summer
08. Public Enemy
09. N.W.A
10. The Marvelettes
11. Randy Newman
12. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
13. Kraftwerk
14. The Meters
15. Chic

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 10:13am


Rush is at # 1 on all four polls
Deep Purple is at # 2 on all four polls
Heart is at # 3 on all four polls
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts are at # 4 on three out of the four polls
Albert King is at # 5 on two out of the four polls
Donna Summer is at # 5 on two out of the four polls
Public Enemy is at # 6 on two out of the four polls
Donna Summer is at # 7 on two out of the four polls
Procol Harum is at # 8 on two out of the four polls
N.W.A is at # 9 on two out of the four polls
Randy Newman is at # 10 on two out of the four polls
Kraftwerk is at # 11 on two out of the four polls
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band is at # 12 on all four polls!
The Marvelettes are at # 13 on two out of the four polls
The Meters are at # 14 on two out of the four polls
Chic are at # 15 on three out of the four polls

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 11:46am


im telling you rush, deep purple, and heart will be the best class that the rock and roll hall of fame has ever had in their history if they are inducted.

Posted by chris on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 12:14pm


It's going to be interested seeing how the Rock Hall reacts to having Rush, Deep Purple and Heart landslide all the online polls everywhere, a fact that isn't surprising by the way.

I'm still not convinced they are going to induct all three at once, but you never know. I guess a large dependence is how big the inductee list will be.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 14:14pm


I don't think they'll induct all three, but that would be awesome. I think it's more realistic that one, possibly two get in. I think Deep Purple is the most likely inductee, and I think if they put in a 2nd band, it'll be Heart. I would be surprised if both Deep Purple and Rush got in.

There are too many nominated artists with a chance on this list. I honestly could think of a reason that the Hall might induct any of the 15, deservedly or not.

As Tahvo said, a lot of it depends on the size of the ballot, or the Hall's willingness to induct an artist like Albert King or The Meters in through another category.

Posted by BSLO on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 15:05pm


its going to be at least 6-7 inductees for 2013 in my opinion

Posted by chris on Friday, 10.12.12 @ 15:14pm


Judging from futurerocklegends' Twitter, Deep Purple has been getting more votes than Rush...

Posted by Tim on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 01:15am


doesn't mean both deep purple and rush could possibly go in

Posted by chris on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 16:54pm


All I get from these popularity polls is that there's going to be a lot of outraged rockists when the class is announced. (And I know that predicting outraged rockists isn't really going out on a limb.)

Deep Purple or Rush, likely (and I'd put money on Deep Purple between the two). Deep Purple and Rush, possible, but unlikely. Deep Purple, Rush and Heart, not going to happen. This ballot is too strong top to bottom for hard rock acts to take up 3 of 5 spots.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 17:40pm


Ok, I'm a bit late on this post...but I've been having computer problems within the last week and a 1/2...so here I go!

I'm very satisfied with this ballot! Actually about 75% of it. I'll explain myself in a bit. But hey, who can not like a ballot that FINALLY mentions Deep Purple and Rush?! I mean, the time has come! One thing's for sure: this list will be extremely difficult to break down, even to eight! Then of course, we saw some obvious picks, and some acts we didn't see coming (Procol Harum) and they managed to bring back some previous one-time nominees (go Kraftwerk!)! Of the newbies this year of course there's 2 rap acts but no rock acts. I've already said on the other discussion page that I predicted Jane's Addiction would show up on the ballot as well (for different reasons), but now it looks like they'll be competing with the grunge/90s alternative bands and rappers. Truth be told I would have rather seen Jane's instead of NWA on here.

I haven't read all the 160+ comments, especially the repeated trivial and fun-factual ones by Roy and all the regulars. But there were some posts that did grab my attention. Astrodog's post about the fadingness of 60s groups I totally agreed with him/her on. I still hope that I see Herman's Hermits, Paul Revere and the Raiders and the Zombies get in soon. Astrodog also talked about the lack of 80s new-wave acts on there, and of course I second that. For some reason, though on a positive note I think it would be cool to see them compete with grunge bands in the future.

So what about the 25% of me that's not satisfied? Alright, I'll start with Randy Newman. Sure, he ain't rock and roll. And no one can take away that he's a prolific composer, especially for numerous movies. There's just a part of me that thinks that he's kissed so much ass of the bigwigs of the music industry. The Meters, competing in a list like this? Joan Jett and the Blackhearts? Come on now. And Chic? I'll just start rambling nominee by nominee below.

Let's skip the obvious shoo-ins (Donna Summer, Public Enemy).

-Rush and Deep Purple. We've moaned about it for years the way we moaned about Kiss being left out. I can see where some people will probably get pissed off if they get inducted before Kiss, but as long as they all get in, I'm happy.

-Heart. It can happen anytime soon. You go girls

-N.W.A. This will probably not be their year. I can see it happening within the next 2 years though

-Kraftwerk. Arguably in my opinion, the most influential musical group not in the HOF definitely deserves to get in, at least before (if they ever consider inducting) Depeche Mode and 80s techno-rock groups.

-Albert King. Just like all the others, I see the committee sneaking him out the back door to EI.

-Chic. Alright, I'll get this off my chest. I honestly don't think they belong. I don't expect anyone to agree with me but I do understand because for a few minor things (Nile Rodgers and 'Good Times' riffs). But let's be honest here. Of all the times they've been nominated, they could have gotten in on a 'Heinz-57 catchup' year. But the 1000 chosen voters have not voted them in. It's been more than 6 times. Shouldn't this send a message to the nominating committee that they clearly don't want them in? I know other groups have been nominated multiple times but still. If I were one of the lucky thousand voters, I would have voted for them last year just to not see their name again on the ballot!

-The Meters. Yeah right.

-Paul Butterfield Blues Band. Simply a critics favorite, not radios

-The Marvelettes. Cheers to the NomCom for putting another great Motown act on here. Good luck to these ladies.

-Randy Newman. See above paragraph.

-Joan Jett. Again, see above paragraph.

-and lastly, Procol Harum. The left field pick no one saw coming. Of course, we should have. After all, their psychedlic/prog 60s rock slow-dance anthem 'Whiter Shade of Pale' has made RS lists (song came in at #57 on their 500 Songs list). Would be nice to see them in, at least as a prog-rock representation. I actually see them getting in within the next 5 years.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 18:01pm


Deep Purple is for sure the most likely, DarinRG. Then I'd say Heart and finally Rush. I'd say the odds of at least 1 of them being inducted is 90%, 2 of them 50% and all 3 about 10%. And none of these bands are American, so that aspect should be considered as well when wishing for all 3. Not likely to happen.

Posted by classicrocker on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 18:04pm


Deep Purple or Rush, likely (and I'd put money on Deep Purple between the two). Deep Purple and Rush, possible, but unlikely. Deep Purple, Rush and Heart, not going to happen. This ballot is too strong top to bottom for hard rock acts to take up 3 of 5 spots.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 17:40pm

I generally agree with this sentiment, but I remember everyone last year was saying that it would be almost impossible for the Beastie Boys, Guns N Roses and the Red Hot Chili Peppers to get inducted all in the same year.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 18:06pm


"Then I'd say Heart and finally Rush."
-classicrocker

Yeah, while I'd hardly call it a scientific assessment I have seen voting committee members making endorsements or even posting pictures of their completed ballots around the internet and while I have seen some support for Deep Purple and Heart, I've seen and heard very little support for Rush. In fact, Flea tweeting endorsements for Kraftwerk, Public Enemy, Rush and the Meters is the only instance that I can recall seeing.

"I generally agree with this sentiment, but I remember everyone last year was saying that it would be almost impossible for the Beastie Boys, Guns N Roses and the Red Hot Chili Peppers to get inducted all in the same year."
-Gassman

Yeah definitely something to keep in the back of our heads. Of course last years ballot wasn't as strong overall as this years, but yeah, I was definitely shocked when that happened last year.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 18:27pm


I had to think about this long and hard but I think these acts would get in 2013:

Donna Summer (shoo-in)
Public Enemy (shoo-in)
Deep Purple
Heart
The Marvelettes
Randy Newman (lifetime achievement non personnel)
Albert King (as an early influence)

----
Rush won't get in this year because there's not much of a big buzz but if they are, they'll probably the Faces/Small Faces of 2013. The band itself don't really care one way or another. Chic won't ever get in (forget it). Same with the Meters. Paul Butterfield might get the year afterwards or not at all. NWA will be inducted another year, not this one. Procol Harum may have a chance next time, not for this one. Kraftwerk, there's always a next year. Joan Jett will have to again wait another year.

So that's a possible eight inductees, with two of them inducted in other categories, two locks/shoo-ins, three near-locks/shoo-ins and a sixth inductee as performer being the dark horse (Rush).

Posted by Tim on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 18:38pm


To be fair, there's alot more attention and money in inducting GNR, RHCP and the Beasties than there is in inducting Heart, Deep Purple and Rush.

It wouldn't surprise me if Rush's nomination was similar to the token nomination that KISS received in 2010.

Also, its sad to think that N.W.A aren't going to make it first ballot.

Posted by Jim on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 21:14pm


Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who will be voting for Chic

The Miracles, Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, Darlene Love, ABBA, Genesis, Jimmy Cliff, Madonna, Gamble & Huff, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, R.E.M., The Ronettes, Van Halen, Blondie, The O'Jays, The Pretenders, U2, ZZ Top. The Police, Queen, Earth, Wind and Fire, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Parliament-Funkadelic, The Jackson Five, Barry Gibb, David Bowie, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Elton John, Rod Stewart, The Isley Brothers, Holland-Dozier-Holland, Smokey Robinson, Diana Ross, The Rolling Stones

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 22:51pm


RUN-DMC and Prince would vote for Chic too!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 10.13.12 @ 23:22pm


Interesting, Roy...

Posted by Tim on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 00:34am


Jim - You'd almost think that NWA would be guaranteed a spot on the ballot until they get in? If the past few years have been a sign it appears that there will always be two Hip-Hop acts nominated each year and there isn't a stand out Hip-Hop act that's newly eligible next year other then De La Soul, which would be a long shot. My guess is NWA and LL Cool J/Erick B. & Rakim will be on next year.

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 02:22am


"Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who will be voting for Chic

The Miracles, Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, Darlene Love, ABBA, Genesis, Jimmy Cliff, Madonna, Gamble & Huff, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, R.E.M., The Ronettes, Van Halen, Blondie, The O'Jays, The Pretenders, U2, ZZ Top. The Police, Queen, Earth, Wind and Fire, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Parliament-Funkadelic, The Jackson Five, Barry Gibb, David Bowie, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Elton John, Rod Stewart, The Isley Brothers, Holland-Dozier-Holland, Smokey Robinson, Diana Ross, The Rolling Stones"

I don't think so, Roy. I think that the Motown acts (Miracles, Pips , H-D-H, J-5,etc) will be voting for one of their own....The MARVELETTES !!!

Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 10:33am


"Jim - You'd almost think that NWA would be guaranteed a spot on the ballot until they get in? If the past few years have been a sign it appears that there will always be two Hip-Hop acts nominated each year and there isn't a stand out Hip-Hop act that's newly eligible next year other then De La Soul, which would be a long shot. My guess is NWA and LL Cool J/Erick B. & Rakim will be on next year."

Honestly, at this point I'd like them just to do one rap act at a time. The voting committee is nowwhere near progressive enough to do two rap acts in one class and if they won't, then all mulitiple rap acts on the ballot will do is cancel each other out (Similar to how there's always 2 disco artists on the ballot, and neither gets in).

But yeah, I do see N.W.A situation in the Hall akin to Black Sabbath. Both we're acts that are obviously influential, but are controversial enough to not be voted in. Thus, the Nominating Committee just sends them back until they finally get in. (Which created something of a backlog for metal, and may do the same for rap).

Going in the future, my hope is that the nominating committee gets behind a single rap act and focuses their fire each year in an order of about this:

Tupac (When he becomes eligible)
N.W.A
LL Cool J/ Notorious B.I.G. (If the former is still waiting by the time the latter becomes eligible, both are about the same to me)
Jay-Z
Afrika Bambataa
Eric B. & Rakim


Knowing the Hall, it'll probably take them a good 10-15 years at least to get all this in, and that's not even counting the worthy R&B singers who included Hip-Hop elements in their music (Mariah Carey, R. Kelly, Mary J. Blige, TLC), so it wouldn't surprise me if Rap became the new metal as far as snubs are concerned.

But hey, who knows, maybe the politically correct bug will bite them and force their hand.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 16:17pm


I don't think so, Roy. I think that the Motown acts (Miracles, Pips , H-D-H, J-5,etc) will be voting for one of their own....The MARVELETTES !!!

But they get to vote for more than one.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 19:51pm


All I can say is I would definitely push for Kraftwerk. I don't want to have to wait another 9 years for it. They're too influential not to get in.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 20:45pm


so it wouldn't surprise me if Rap became the new metal as far as snubs are concerned.

But hey, who knows, maybe the politically correct bug will bite them and force their hand.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 10.14.12 @ 16:17pm
--------------------------------------------------
Trust me, you won't have to worry about rap becoming the next metal. If anything, it's the other way around here. That politically correct bug you refer to is roughly the size of Mothra, & it's built into the committee.

If anything, it's metal who will get the shaft in favor of rap in the coming yrs.



Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 05:12am


I hope Deep Purple and Kraftwerk will be inducted - it`s really (!) about time.

Posted by soundcheck on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 06:55am


MY FINAL PREDICTION

THE 2013 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

Chic
Rush
Heart
Deep Purple
Donna Summer
The Marvelettes

Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 07:23am


I believe they will get the dance and electronic acts out of the way and balance it with some harder acts:

Chic
Heart
Kraftwerk
Rush
Donna Summer

And induct Albert King as an early influence.

Posted by Paul on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 11:03am


I would have loved to have seen the following on the ballot for Early Influences:

The Mills Brothers
Count Basie
Dizzy Gillespie
Al Jolson
Wynonie Harris
Roy Brown
The Ravens

And these names for Performers:

Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio
The Big Bopper
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Dale Hawkins
Cliff Richard and the Shadows
The Zombies
T. Rex
Roxy Music
Sweet
The New York Dolls
Motörhead
KISS
Judas Priest
The Dictators
The Buzzcocks
The Dead Boys
Iron Maiden
Gary Numan/Tubeway Army
The Cars
Madness
Ultravox
Hanoi Rocks
Def Leppard
The Human League
Duran Duran
Depeche Mode
Joy Division
New Order
The Cure
The Smiths

As the older Nominating Committee members retire and younger members join (hopefully within the next 5-15 years), we should start to see a greater representation of new wave, punk, heavy metal, synthpop, post-punk, and electronic acts in the Hall. I for one would welcome this change.

Any remaining 50s acts and Early Influences should be inducted right away. I can't emphasize how important it is to keep the fire burning for the pioneers of rock 'n' roll and make sure that younger generations get turned on to them. I've pretty much made it my duty to inform and educate fellow Millennials of all the great music recorded during the first six decades of the 20th century (1900s - 1950s).

Posted by Zach on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 12:59pm


if they want to establish credibility as a rock and roll hall of fame, they will do the right thing and induct deep purple and rush in the same class together

Posted by chris on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 15:18pm


For the non performers category, I want Brian Epstein to be inducted. Without Brian Epstein, the Beatles wouldn't be found.

Posted by Johnny on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 19:24pm


Here are the top 50 Deserving, Eligible but Overlooked Artists for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame - according to rock fan votes

at:
http://www.rateitall.com/t-2529-deserving-of-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame.aspx

1) Rush

2) Chicago

3) Deep Purple

4) Yes

5) Doobie Brothers

6) Moody Blues

7) Dire Straits

8) Jethro Tull

9) Electric Light Orchestra

10) The Cars

11) Heart

12) Pete Townshend (solo)

13) Steve Miller

14) Squeeze

15) Journey

16) Styx

17) Carole King

18) Stevie Ray Vaughan

19) The Guess Who

20) Hall & Oates

21) T. Rex

22) Badfinger

23) Kiss

24) The Monkees

25) Supertramp

26) Foreigner

27) Jim Croce

28) Emerson, Lake & Palmer

29) Peter Gabriel (solo)

30) Boston

31) Cat Stevens

32) Three Dog Night

33) The Zombies

34) Gordon Lightfoot

35) Bad Company

36) Todd Rundgren

37) Steppenwolf

38) Scorpions

39) Grand Funk Railroad

40) INXS

41) Def Leppard

42) Cheap Trick

43) The Replacements

44) Thin Lizzy

45) Los Lobos

46) The Grass Roots

47) Steve Winwood (solo)

48) The Jam

49) Linda Ronstadt

50) The Cure

Posted by Garrett Jennings on Monday, 10.15.12 @ 20:47pm


don cornelius for the non performer category

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 12:23pm


IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 10.16.12 @ 14:00pm


who cares about the election?

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 10.17.12 @ 12:24pm


For those who are predicting an induction class without Public Enemy are making a big mistake!

Posted by Kgasser on Thursday, 10.18.12 @ 01:17am


@Kgasser, I think they're a shoo-in. Them and Donna Summer. The rest are a juggling act. But we shall see. Stranger things have happened.

Posted by Tim on Thursday, 10.18.12 @ 01:41am


Early rumination based on my reasoning posted earlier, more narrowed down prediction to come later:

If 5:

Public Enemy
Donna Summer
Deep Purple
Heart
Randy Newman

If 6:

Public Enemy
Donna Summer
Deep Purple
Heart
Randy Newman
Procol Harum

If 7 or more:

Public Enemy
Donna Summer
Deep Purple
Heart
Randy Newman
Procol Harum
Rush and/or the Marvelettes

Potential upsetters to the above:

Chic, Kraftwerk

No dice this year:

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
N.W.A.
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Meters

Inducted as an Early Influence:

Albert King

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 10.18.12 @ 07:21am


rush all the way to the hall of fame

Posted by chris on Friday, 10.19.12 @ 12:25pm


Honestly, as long as kraftwerk get in i'm happy.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 10.19.12 @ 14:31pm


@GFW I'm like that but about the Marvelettes lol (though all the people are all induction-friendly to me even Procol Harum and Randy Newman).

Posted by Tim on Friday, 10.19.12 @ 15:09pm


Here are my version for the Rock Hall 2013 inductees on thr performer category,

If 5:
Rush
Deep Purple
Heart
Donna Summer
Randy Newman

If 6:
Rush
Deep Purple
Heart
Donna Summer
Randy Newman
The Marvelettes

If 7:
Rush
Deep Purple
Heart
Donna Summer
Randy Newman
The Marvelettes
Kraftwerk or Public Enemy

Posted by Johnny on Saturday, 10.20.12 @ 00:01am


Jim Henke announced that he was leaving his post as curator of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame museum and is now as a consultant. I wonder if he's still part of the Hall committee's voting party. They didn't mention he left that so I assume he's still on as a committee member. Interesting people bring up rumors as to why he's left lol

Posted by Tim on Monday, 10.22.12 @ 11:54am


what about the marvelettes chances of induction?

Posted by chris on Monday, 10.22.12 @ 15:45pm


I'm one of those that say the Marvelettes WILL be inducted...

Posted by Tim on Monday, 10.22.12 @ 16:24pm


good

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 10.23.12 @ 12:26pm


Deep Purple is catching up to Rush in the poll!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10.26.12 @ 22:27pm


Rock Hall Monitors attempts to objectively rank the nominees in a merit-pecking order:

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.28.12 @ 20:45pm


November has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11.1.12 @ 09:06am


and what about it?

Posted by chris on Thursday, 11.1.12 @ 11:27am


Roy, you are the best at stating the obvious.

Posted by bojanthebest on Thursday, 11.1.12 @ 19:04pm


PC crowd's WCS:

1. Deep Purple
2. Rush
3. Procol Harum
4. Kraftwerk
5. either Paul Butterfield Blues Band or Randy Newman

All white males (though PBBB is mixed, and Randy Newman being Jewish might not be considered "white" depending on who you ask). And yet, this would be brilliant class to many people.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.2.12 @ 22:54pm


If Deep Purple and Rush are inducted in 2013, that means The Moody Blues and Chicago are next up!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11.3.12 @ 09:07am


i would put yes in first before moody blues

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 11.6.12 @ 15:25pm


Now that Genesis, Neil Diamond, Darlene Love and Alice Cooper are in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, and assuming that The Marvelettes, Deep Purple, and Rush are inducted in 2013, here is an updated Top 10 list of the artists whom the public complains about the most for not being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, in no particular order:

01. Mary Wells
02. Chubby Checker
03. The Monkees
04. Jan and Dean
05. The Moody Blues
06. Linda Ronstadt
07. Chicago
08. Kiss
09. Yes
10. Tina Turner (solo)

HONORABLE MENTION

Carole King (performers category)

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 11.11.12 @ 21:01pm


MY 2013 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME PREDICTION REPEATED:

The 2013 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

Chic
Rush
Heart
Deep Purple
Donna Summer
The Marvelettes

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.12.12 @ 06:20am


Roy, you definitely have WAAAYYY too much time on your hands.

Posted by Paul on Monday, 11.12.12 @ 07:38am


The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who would vote for Chic

Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice Cooper, ABBA, Madonna, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, RUN-DMC, R.E.M., Van Halen, Blondie, The Pretenders, U2, ZZ Top, Prince, The Police, Queen, Bruce Springsteen, Parliament-Funkadelic, The Jackson Five, Barry Gibb, David Bowie, Elton John, Rod Stewart

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who would vote for Rush

Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, Queen, Aerosmith, The Clash, The Police, AC/DC, ZZ Top, U2, The Pretenders, Blondie, Black Sabbath, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Van Halen, Metallica, The Stooges, Genesis, Alice Cooper, Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who would vote for Deep Purple

The Rolling Stones, The Who, Cream, The Yardbirds, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, Elton John, Fleetwood Mac, The Eagles, Queen, Aerosmith, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Santana, The Clash, The Police, AC/DC, ZZ Top, U2, The Pretenders, Blondie, Black Sabbath, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Van Halen, Metallica, The Stooges, Genesis, Alice Cooper, Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who would vote for Heart

Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice Cooper, The Stooges, Metallica, Bruce Springsteen, John Mellencamp, Patti Smith, R.E.M., Van Halen, Black Sabbath, Blondie, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Pretenders, U2, ZZ Top, AC/DC, The Clash, The Police, Aerosmith, Queen, The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Santana, Led Zeppelin, Bonnie Raitt, Elton John

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who would vote for The Marvelettes

The Beach Boys, The Rolling Stones, The Miracles, The Temptations, The Four Tops, The Supremes, Martha and the Vandellas, Gladys Knight and the Pips, The Jackson Five, The Staple Singers, The Dells, The O'Jays, The Ronettes, The Dave Clark Five, The Ventures, Little Anthony and the Imperials, Aretha Franklin, Bonnie Raitt, Blondie, Elton John, Billy Joel, Lloyd Price, Bobby Womack, Wanda Jackson, Bob Seger, Prince, Percy Sledge, Jackson Browne, Bruce Springsteen, Fleetwood Mac, The Eagles, The Pretenders, The Talking Heads, Eric Clapton, Rod Stewart, Phil Collins, Tina Turner, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Carole King, Aretha Franklin, Gladys Knight and the Pips

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who would vote for Randy Newman

Bob Dylan, Carole King, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Neil Young, Crosby, Stills and Nash, Joni Mitchell, The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Bonnie Raitt, James Taylor, Paul Simon, Art Garfunkel, Elvis Costello, Bob Seger, Jackson Brown, John Mellencamp, Leonard Cohen, Neil Diamond, Tom Waits, Dr. John, Leon Russell, Alice Cooper, Donovan

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who would vote for Donna Summer

Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, Darlene Love, ABBA, Genesis, Iggy Pop, RUN-DMC, Bobby Womack, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Patti Smith, R.E.M., The Ronettes, Blondie, Prince, Bonnie Raitt, Earth, Wind & Fire, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Parliament-Funkadelic, The Jackson Five, Barry Gibb, Gladys Knight and the Pips, David Bowie, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Tina Turner, Carole King, Aretha Franklin

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who would vote for Joan Jett and the Blackhearts

Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice Cooper, The Stooges, Metallica, John Mellencamp, Patti Smith, R.E.M., Blondie, The Pretenders, U2, Sex Pistols

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.12.12 @ 08:03am


The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who would vote for Kraftwerk

Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica, RUN-DMC, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, R.E.M., U2

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who would vote for Public Enemy

Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica, RUN-DMC, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, R.E.M., U2

The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees who would vote for N.W.A

Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica, RUN-DMC, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, R.E.M., U2

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.12.12 @ 08:17am


Rush and Deep Purple are now tied!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.12.12 @ 10:17am


Donna Summer and Public Enemy are locks. Randy Newman is the third closest to a lock.

Kraftwerk, The Meters and Chic are likely.

Heart and N.W.A. are possible.

Most Hard Rock artists do not walk into the Rock Hall. Kiss would be have been inducted in 2010 if so.

The Marvelettes are not equal to The Ronettes. The Ronettes got inducted right away because Phil Spector kept them off the ballot. When Spector went to jail - people were finally able to vote for them. Same with The Righteous Brothers and Darlene Love.

Jann Wenner and Paul Shaffer endorsed the Paul Butterfield Blues Band. I'm surprised more people are not predicting them for that reason.



Posted by Guru on Monday, 11.12.12 @ 10:20am


Roy, where do you come up with all of these facts about who is going to vote for who and who are the biggest artists people talk about not being in the hall?

Posted by bojanthebest on Monday, 11.12.12 @ 12:48pm


Roy's a psychic, but he's limited solely to people who are inducted in the RNRHOF

Posted by GFW on Monday, 11.12.12 @ 14:48pm


'Beastie Boys, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica, RUN-DMC, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, R.E.M., U2'

These are the guys that will vote for Kraftwerk?! Are you serious?

Posted by Sam on Monday, 11.12.12 @ 19:27pm


You forgot Blondie, and yes I'm serious, and you could also add ABBA to that list. Those are the only inductees who would vote for Kraftwerk. Those artists all followed Kraftwerk.

Who the hell do you think would vote for Kraftwerk?--Motown acts, singer/songwriters? 50s-60s acts? It ain't going to happen.

My list is realistic.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 11.12.12 @ 22:33pm


The Votes (Yes I know they can only vote for 5, but if they could vote for more, this is how they would likely vote)

Elton John - 6 - Chic, Heart, Deep Purple, Donna Summer, Randy Newman, The Marvelettes
Bruce Springsteen - 6 - Chic, Heart, Deep Purple, Donna Summer, Randy Newman, The Marvelettes
Alice Cooper - 8 - Chic, Heart, Deep Purple, Donna Summer, Randy Newman, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Kraftwerk
Beastie Boys - 9 - Chic, Rush, Deep Purple, Heart, Donna Summer, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Kraftwerk, Public Enemy, N.W.A
Red Hot Chili Peppers - 9 - Chic, Rush, Deep Purple, Heart, Donna Summer, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Kraftwerk, Public Enemy, N.W.A
Metallica - 7 - Rush, Deep Purple, Heart, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Kraftwerk, Public Enemy, N.W.A
Guns N' Roses - 7 - Rush, Deep Purple, Heart, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Kraftwerk, Public Enemy, N.W.A

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.13.12 @ 09:39am


there is going to be at least 6 inductees

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 11.13.12 @ 11:46am


Roy...please stop. Your fantasies about who is voting for whom are ridiculous. If anything pour your energy into letting us know when it is December...you've got a few weeks to prepare something pithy.

Posted by Paul on Tuesday, 11.13.12 @ 11:52am


david bowie would totally vote kraftwerk btw

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 11.13.12 @ 12:24pm


Would Metallica vote for Kraftwerk? Was Springsteen a Heart fan?

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 11.13.12 @ 17:13pm


Next-to-final prediction, not sure yet:
Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Deep Purple
Heart
Rush
The Marvelettes
Albert King (early influence)

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 11.13.12 @ 20:55pm


great selections tim

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 11.14.12 @ 12:02pm


Agreed, GFW. Iggy and John Lydon would as well if they wanted to vote for anyone.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 11.15.12 @ 04:36am


Oh yeah. I'm pretty sure Lou Reed will also vote for them. And what about Peter Gabriel or David Byrne?

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 11.15.12 @ 13:29pm


If The Spinners did not get inducted right away. The Marvelettes will not.

Posted by Guru on Friday, 11.16.12 @ 09:31am


i think they will guru

Posted by chris on Friday, 11.16.12 @ 12:14pm


Never say never, Guru.

Posted by Tim on Saturday, 11.17.12 @ 12:15pm


inductees ahould be announced in about two weeks

Posted by chris on Monday, 11.26.12 @ 12:26pm


Final prediction before the inductees are announced next month:
Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Rush
Deep Purple
Heart
The Marvelettes
Albert King (early influence; because I know that's how it's gonna go down)

Posted by Tim on Monday, 11.26.12 @ 14:38pm


RHM: my ranking of the nominees STRICTLY by personal taste... let the bloodbath begin.

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2012/11/no-accounting-for-taste-on-this-ballot.html

Posted by Philip on Monday, 11.26.12 @ 18:13pm


"Final prediction before the inductees are announced next month:
Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Rush
Deep Purple
Heart
The Marvelettes
Albert King (early influence; because I know that's how it's gonna go down)"

This is actually my predicted line-up as well.

Posted by rockstar23 on Tuesday, 11.27.12 @ 07:51am


great selections there, i dont know about the marvelettes but still great choices, they better induct both deep purple and rush, announcement of the inductees coming up soon

Posted by chris on Friday, 11.30.12 @ 11:41am


I basically agree with tim and rockstar's predictions, as I posted a couple months ago, assuming there are six performers inducted. If they go back to five, I'm predicting Rush will be the one left out, leading to yet another avalanche of angry letters.

Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 11.30.12 @ 14:44pm


December has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.1.12 @ 06:59am


How do you know the inductees will be announced by the 10th of December?

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.1.12 @ 21:55pm




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImBcCCtEUoc

N.W.A.! Public Enemy! Rush! Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees for 2013 Announced!

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.2.12 @ 20:21pm


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog.php#unique-entry-id-285

^FRL predicts the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees.

First of all, good predictions as always. I think you've correctly nailed four inductees that the Hall will go for (Public Enemy, Donna Summer, Randy Newman and Heart). I'm not sure on Chic (Nile Rodgers' cancer is a concern, but remember they didn't nominate Whitney Houston as many predicted) or Rush, though they are more likely than Chic, IMO (they could pull a KISS on us like they did a few years ago, plus they might opt for Heart as the fan favorite instead).

Additionally, I'm still convinced we will see either the Marvelettes and/or Procol Harum get inducted since the Hall almost always goes for at least one 60's act (or mainly 60's act) when the opportunity arises. And yes, like many others I'm convinced we will see a backdoor induction for Albert King as an "early" influence. We will see soon enough!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 12.3.12 @ 04:47am


Future Rock Legends Predicts the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

Chic
Rush
Heart
Randy Newman
Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Albert King

I don't like it.

Maybe they will pass on rap this year and induct Deep Purple instead.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12.3.12 @ 07:30am


There is no way the hall will skip rap, not in the year that two of it's most important bands are up for induction.

Posted by GFW on Monday, 12.3.12 @ 14:39pm


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/vote-for-the-2013-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees-20121004

2013 Rock Hall Poll Still Showing on Rolling Stone, but you can't vote. Final Tally! Last year they showed the actual number of votes. This year they only showed the percentages.

01. Rush 24%
02. Deep Purple 16%
03. Heart 12%
04. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts 8%
05. Albert King 5%
06. Kraftwerk 4%
07. Public Enemy 4%
08. Donna Summer 4%
09. Procol Harum 3%
10. N.W.A 3%
11. Randy Newman 3%
12. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band 2%
13. The Meters 2%
14. The Marvelettes 1%
15. Chic 1%

Polls still open!

MSNBC

01. Rush
02. Deep Purple
03. Heart
04. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
05. Donna Summer
06. Public Enemy
07. N.W.A
08. Procul Harum
09. Albert King
10. Randy Newman
11. Kraftwerk
12. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
13. The Marvelettes
14. The Meters
15. Chic

VH1

01. Rush
02. Deep Purple
03. Heart
04. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
05. Albert King
06. Procol Harum
07. Donna Summer
08. Public Enemy
09. N.W.A
10. The Marvelettes
11. Randy Newman
12. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
13. Kraftwerk
14. Chic
15. The Meters

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.4.12 @ 07:39am


http://entertainment.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/04/14219755-rock-hall-of-fame-nominees-include-rush-public-enemy-joan-jett-more?lite

MSNBC POLL

01. Rush
02. Deep Purple
03. Heart
04. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
05. Donna Summer
06. Public Enemy
07. N.W.A
08. Procul Harum
09. Albert King
10. Randy Newman
11. Kraftwerk
12. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
13. The Marvelettes
14. The Meters
15. Chic

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.4.12 @ 07:54am


http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/2012-10-04/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-2013-nominees/

VH1 POLL

01. Rush
02. Deep Purple
03. Heart
04. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
05. Procol Harum
06. Albert King
07. Donna Summer
08. Public Enemy
09. N.W.A
10. The Marvelettes
11. Randy Newman
12. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
13. Kraftwerk
14. Chic
15. The Meters

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.4.12 @ 07:55am


i have a feeling that both rush and deep purple will go in the 2013 class

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 12.5.12 @ 12:08pm


Well, I have my doubts but I sure hope so, chris.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.5.12 @ 12:19pm


I'll put it to you like this: they'll induct two rock bands at the same time before they'll induct two rap groups. Also, as much as I am in love with her, I don't think Joan would get inducted next year. They may induct Heart over her. Same with Chic not getting inducted before Donna Summer. Randy Newman still stands a chance. So does Kraftwerk so I wouldn't be surprised if they're inducted though my induction predictions still stand.

Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 12.5.12 @ 13:19pm


From all the ballots surfacing so far online it looks like 2013 could be an all Rock-Rap-Disco induction ceremony, and I would be okay with that.

The 2013 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

Chic
Rush
Heart
N.W.A
Deep Purple
Donna Summer
Public Enemy

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.5.12 @ 17:01pm


Future Rock Legends posted a link on Twitter of a radio interview on new CEO Greg Harrris. Greg Harris said the inductees will be announce on December 11 and it will be 5 or 6 inductees

http://www.wmji.com/pages/lanandmalone.html?article=10619727

Posted by Johnny on Wednesday, 12.5.12 @ 17:20pm


Those ballots are mostly from the writers' contingent, Roy. The bulk of the voting is done by those already inducted, most of whom had their careers predate the Rap/Disco-eras.

In other words, don't let a small sample size dictate your predictions.

I do think this bodes poorly for Kraftwerk though. Amid all the discussion over the last few months, I've hardly heard any critics and writers saying they support them and we can only assume that their chances are even worse with the performers that will be voting (aside from more recent inductees like U2 or R.E.M.)....I'll be keeping my fingers crossed though.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 12.5.12 @ 17:39pm


MY FINAL PREDICTION REPEATED

THE 2013 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

Chic
Rush
Heart
Deep Purple
Donna Summer
The Marvelettes

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.5.12 @ 17:45pm


If people voted to induct both, Guns N' Roses and The Red Hot Chili Peppers in the same year, I'm pretty sure that both Rush and Deep Purple can get in the same year. It's not like there's never been a year where more than one or two rock band got inducted.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.5.12 @ 22:18pm


"Five or six":

Donna
PE
Deep Purple
Heart
Rush
The Marvelettes (the Small Faces/Dave Clark Five of the 2013 class)
Albert King won't be included in the performer's category if he's inducted.

So my choices still stand.

NWA don't got too much support. The Blackhearts probably are the people's choice for third or fourth place but they won't be inducted. Procol Harum? Forget about it. Randy Newman, not enough talk about him though some committee members picked him according to FRL's tweets. Chic, close but no cigar for the seventh time. Paul Butterfield's Blues Band is at the bottom of the totem pole, same with the Meters. Kraftwerk doesn't have much support.

Posted by Tim on Thursday, 12.6.12 @ 01:50am


Final Predictions:

Performers:

Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Deep Purple
Rush
The Marvelettes
Heart

Non-performers:

Don Cornelius

Early Influences:

Albert King (possibly Sister Rosetta Tharpe and/or Chuck Willis)

Musical Excellence:

I dunno...Wolfman Jack?


Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 12.6.12 @ 05:11am


Final Prediction:

Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Randy Newman
Deep Purple / Heart / Rush (two out of these three)
The Marvelettes or Procol Harum

^I'd narrow it down further, but the Hall themselves aren't clear on whether it'll be 5 or 6 inductees this year (so far), so I'm leaving my options open here.

"Early" Influence:

Albert King

Non-Performer:

Don Cornelius and/or somebody else nobody predicted

Musical Excellence:

Could be someone out of the blue, could be Wolfman Jack and/or Billy Preston, who knows

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 12.6.12 @ 06:52am


Public Enemy and Donna Summer are locks. I don't see The Meters, Paul Butterfield, Procol Harem, or Joan Jett getting in this time. The rest of the field all have a chance.

My guess:
Public Enemy
Donna Summer
Randy Newman
Deep Purple
The Marvelettes

If there's a 6th it will be Heart or Chic. Albert King is only getting in as a sideman if they choose to go that route again.

As a huge Rush fan, I'll be disappointed. I just don't see where the votes are for them. Most of the voters are elderly, old time rock and rollers who are much more likely to vote for the Marvelettes. Critics have openly and harshly panned Rush for decades. The critics are most likely rounding out their ballots with Newman or Kraftwerk.

Posted by Classic Rock on Thursday, 12.6.12 @ 11:10am


My personal top 50 snubs, including Performers and Early Influences, in chronological order:

1920s:

Al Jolson

1930s:

Duke Ellington
Cab Calloway
The Mills Brothers
Count Basie

1940s:

Roy Brown
Wynonie Harris
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
The Ravens

1950s:

Billy Ward and His Dominoes
The 5 Royales
Johnny Ace
Big Mama Thornton
Lightnin' Hopkins
Sonny Boy Williamson II
Johnny Burnette and the Rock 'N Roll Trio
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
The Big Bopper
Dale Hawkins
Chuck Willis
Link Wray and His Ray Men
Cliff Richard and the Shadows

1960s:

Dick Dale
The Zombies
The Moody Blues
Steppenwolf

1970s:

T. Rex
Roxy Music
Yes
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Sparks
Mott the Hoople
The Dictators
The Buzzcocks
Sweet
Suzi Quatro
Jethro Tull
Ian Dury and the Blockheads
Joy Division
King Crimson
Judas Priest (Also falls into 1980s)
The Cars (Also falls into 1980s)

1980s:

Gary Numan/Tubeway Army
Depeche Mode
Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble
New Order
The Cure
The Smiths
Iron Maiden
Hanoi Rocks

Posted by Zach on Thursday, 12.6.12 @ 19:46pm


my final predictions:

deep purple
rush
heart
donna summer
public enemy
and the marvelettes

hopefully this plays out the way it should be come tuesday the 11th

Posted by chris on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 12:09pm


My six picks, if I could vote:

Deep Purple
Heart
Kraftwerk
The Meters
Public Enemy
Donna Summer

My best guess as to who's getting in this year:

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Deep Purple
The Marvelettes
Public Enemy
Rush
Donna Summer
(plus Albert King as a Influence)

Posted by Ian on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 12:37pm


Induction Predictions:

Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Randy Newman
Procol Harum

(Albert King as Early Influence)

If 6 Inductees:

Heart

If 7 Inductees:

Rush

My Personal Choices (6)

Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Rush
Deep Purple
The Marvelettes
N.W.A.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 15:12pm


Wow, Butterfield is a pretty bold prediction, Paul. I'd love it if you're right, though.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 15:29pm


If the voters use seniority when deciding who to vote for, these would be the 2013 inductees

The Marvelettes
Albert King
Randy Newman
Procol Harum
Deep Purple
The Meters

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 18:10pm


If the voters use seniority when deciding who to vote for, these would be the 2013 inductees

The Marvelettes
Albert King
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Randy Newman
Procol Harum
Deep Purple
The Meters

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 18:13pm


what a horrible class that'd be.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 18:29pm


Paul Butterfield would come out of nowhere lol nah this is a totem pole type of thing and since they are at the bottom, I doubt he would get inducted. I don't see it.

Posted by Tim on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 19:24pm


OK, if it's 5:

Donna
PE
Deep Purple
Heart
The Marvelettes

(plus Albert King as Early Influence)

6:
Rush

Initially I thought the Marvelettes would be the "sixth" pick but guessing if they pick just 5, that'll be them and Rush will be sixth. I don't know about Newman, he's close. I wouldn't count him out.

That leaves everyone else out.

Posted by Tim on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 19:27pm


OK, if it's 5:

Donna
PE
Deep Purple
Heart
The Marvelettes

(plus Albert King as Early Influence)

6:
Rush

Initially I thought the Marvelettes would be the "sixth" pick but guessing if they pick just 5, that'll be them and Rush will be sixth. I don't know about Newman, he's close. I wouldn't count him out.

That leaves everyone else out.

Posted by Tim on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 19:27pm


I understand the value of originality and influence. I think that the RnR HOF values these factors a little TOO much. It's gotten to the point where having music that is popular is working against some artists. Good music is good music.

Quick, go to your radio and let me know when you hear a Meters song, or a Paul Butterfield song, or a Kraftwerk song.

Having music that appeals to a good number of people (not just critic types) is as important as influence. Some artists on the ballot meet both criteria quite well.

Any HOF shouldn't clutter themselves with too many "who is that?" members. It's a Hall of FAME afterall. Fame is part of it.

Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 19:41pm


"Quick, go to your radio and let me know when you hear a Meters song, or a Paul Butterfield song, or a Kraftwerk song."

You just nailed why I don't listen to the radio. ;)

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 12.7.12 @ 20:36pm


If Flea is announcing the inductees that could only mean one thing:

The 2013 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

Chic
Rush
Heart
Deep Purple
Donna Summer
Public Enemy

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 12.8.12 @ 07:56am


My overanalysis is finally up. Feel free to comment.

http://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2012/12/my-picks-for-2013.html

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 12.8.12 @ 18:31pm


Kraftwerk: Have been credited with inventing almost every aspect of making music, from using all 10 digits while playing a keyboard to being the first band ever to play facing the audience. Never heard of them.

Rush: A no-brainer. They should have been inducted over a decade ago based on Neil's influence on a generation of drummers alone.

Joan Jett &TBH: Silly nomination.

Deep Purple: Oh, that one band who has that one riff that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has ever learned rock guitar learned how to play isn't in? Shame. Another no-brainer.

The Meters: A local New Orleans band who was pretty good. There is a local band that I've seen a few times over the years at a yearly Jazz and Ribfest festival, they should go it too. Never heard of them.

Heart: A very good classic rock band on a level with Boston, Styx, Foreigner, and REO Speedwagon to name a few. The fact that they are the ONLY female classic rock band worth a crap, I'd let them in.

Paul Butterfield Blues Band: I can hear the conversations in the selection room...Moody Blues - No. Yes (band) - No. Chicago - No. Paul Butterfield...totally groundbreaking out of this world lifechanging band - YES!!! Never heard of them.

Chic: Good times, these ARE THE GOOD TIMES! Loved that tune. I also loved That's the way, uh-huh-uh-huh I liiiike it un-huh-uh-huh and nobody is putting KC in. Let it go, they didn't make that much of an impact.

Randy Newman: Really, is the singer-songwriter queue this empty that we're seriously considering Randy Newman. Weak resume if Disney stuff doesn't count...and it DOESN'T count.

Procol Harum: I hear the Percy Sledge family is sitting on pins and needles waiting to hear if Percy is going to remain the only one hit wonder in the hall.

The Marvelettes: By the tone of this post, you are probably expecting me to rip the Marvelettes as a fringe Motown act. You guessed right.

Donna Summer: By the tone of this post, you are probably expecting me to rip Donna Summer for being a disco singer who has no business in "rock" anything. You're wrong. She sold records that are still being played and her body of work and influence are impressive. Let her in.

Albert King: As an early influence. Yes, in.

Public Enemy/NWA: I'm fine with them going in if you also let in George Jones, Motorhead, and Weird Al Yancovic.

My ballot (if I had one):

Rush
Donna Summer
Albert King
Deep Purple
Heart

Posted by Classic Rock on Saturday, 12.8.12 @ 22:08pm


The ballot that I've been casting here and at other destinations around the internet has been:

Kraftwerk
Public Enemy
Deep Purple
Albert King
Paul Butterfield Blues Band

With occasional votes for the Meters, Donna Summer and N.W.A strewn in. While I do like Rush and would be cool with their induction for the sole reason of seeing Lee, Lifeson and Peart honored for their careers, part of me wants to see them not get in this year just as a slap upside the head to their obnoxious blowhard fans. Like KISS they have an a fan base that hurts them more than they help them.

As far as predictions go, who the hell knows what these people will do. Not even going to try.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 12.8.12 @ 23:09pm


DarinRG - I'd love to see you have a conversation with Eddie Truck!

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 12.9.12 @ 00:18am


My personal 5-6 choices (in order):

1. Deep Purple
2. Public Enemy
3. Kraftwerk
4. Heart
5. N.W.A.
(6). Donna Summer

Like Darin, I want to see Rush turned down, if only just to watch Eddie "Why is Elton John in the Hall and Foreigner isn't" Trunk's head explode. (Not to mention I've always thought their music was overrated, while influential)

If there was time travel, I'd like to see the three lesser douchebags of KISS (Stanley, Criss and Frehley) be inducted with pre-megadouche era Gene Simmons. This would be a good idea if they ever induct Megadeth, as I'd rather see pre-batshit crazy Dave Mustaine than the one who thinks our president stages mass shootings.

Posted by Jim on Sunday, 12.9.12 @ 01:49am


Classic Rock, it seems your entire psot was basically "If I don't know them, they're shit!" how about instead of dismissing them you actually do a bit of research?

my personal choices:

Rush
Deep Purple
Kraftwerk
PE
N.W.A
(6) Donna Summer

what I predict they'll go for:

PE
Donna Summer
Deep Purple/Rush
Marvelettes/Procol harum/Paul Butterfield Blues Band (probably paul butterfield)
Randy Newman
If 6, then Kraftwerk

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 12.9.12 @ 07:44am


DarrinRG, I went with my predictions sorta based on 'what would cheese me off the most' ;-)

Randy Newman & Paul Butterfield Blues Band would do that. Especially Newman. I really haven't listened too much to the PBBB. If you like them though, that gives me something to go on as our tastes are somewhat similar.

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 12.9.12 @ 13:45pm


Apparently if Randy gets in, it'll be a political move since he did do that song "I Love L.A." lol As for Paul? I don't see how he'll get in especially since Albert King has already cockblocked him (but as an Early Influence).

Only two days away. :)

Posted by Tim on Sunday, 12.9.12 @ 15:38pm


As far as Newman goes, I'm pretty indifferent. I don't have a problem with him, but I've never really been able to get into him either.

Being a blues fan, I love Butterfield and his straight forward, no nonsense blues rock, but I'd be genuinely surprised if he got the nod this year with such an overall strong ballot. I also think Tim's right about the Albert King cockblock. I have no problem putting both on my ballot, but I have to wonder how many who have ballots that actually matter feel the same.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 12.9.12 @ 19:15pm


Hmmmm...Donna Summer's husband posted and then removed a comment on Facebook today. Something about tomorrow being a "bittersweet Tuesday". Guess he knows something we don't.

Posted by Paul on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 15:01pm


^ Hmm, definitely Paul.

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 16:03pm


With the 2013 inductee announcement imminent, here are the odds if you randomly predicted six inductees:

Match 6: 1 in 5005 (0.02%)
Match 5: 1 in 93 (1.1%)
Match 4: 1 in 9 (11.1%)
Match 3: 1 in 3 (33%)
Match 2: 1 in 3 (33%)
Match 1: 1 in 7 (14%)
Match 0: 1 in 60 (1.7%)

Someone here will surely have predicted four correct, and let's hope for five or six.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 18:29pm


Here's to hope there's six lol

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 18:33pm


Congrats to Donna Summer! To bad it came a year too late.

Posted by GassmanKgasser on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 19:34pm


Well we know people couldn't keep their excitement lol Donna Summer's family confirms late disco legend's induction. Belated congratulations to Donna. Well deserved. RIP

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 19:40pm


An alleged leak of the entire class can be found by poking around a bit on FRL's twitter.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 19:47pm


I saw it Darin. Impressive list but it would be funny if it goes like 2011... remember when that leaked and the Faces/Small Faces weren't included and then when the announcement came, they were? Maybe that's why no one has really posted the leak everywhere. Just a thought.

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:00pm


Yeah, that's why I just pointed out the location of the leak and didn't get too excited about it. Honestly that's really "meh" class to me, so I do hope it's a little off.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:04pm


If that is the real inductees, then there will be complaints that Public Enemy is inducted, while Deep Purple isn't

Posted by Johnny on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:07pm


lol yeah true, but I have a feeling they'll be the Faces/Small Faces of 2013... I don't trust the leak...yet.

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:11pm


Yeah, but the anti-Rap/rockist crowd will find something to bitch about with PE no matter what, "Why does Rush have to go in with rappers?" or some crap like that.



Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:17pm


I know lol they're so predictable man...

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:20pm


What is the rumored list? I see from this page that PE and Donna Summer are in (both were locks so no surprise). Who else?

Posted by Classic Rock on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:21pm


The rumor has it as Heart, Albert King, Randy Newman, Public Enemy, Rush and Donna Summer.

This was posted on Twitter by a source that I'm not familiar with who FRL responded to, which is how we all saw it. I can't vouch for the validity, but, hell, it gives us something to talk about.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:30pm


The person who got the info said she got it in an e-mail from a "reliable source". On the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's Wikipedia, they're already listing Albert King to be inducted into the early influence category.

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:32pm


The Wiki entry appears to have been added by someone just posting under an IP address. So, while King going in as early influence seems plausible, the source isn't very solid.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:53pm


And if this is the class, Bill G. had better be getting his typing fingers warmed up. ;)

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:54pm


I already know what his response will be: "Public Enemy got in but not the Marvelettes?! HOW DARE THEY!" lmao

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 20:58pm


As for your early statement about Wikipedia, I agree. I remember when Laura Nyro was not yet confirmed as an inductee, someone actually put her in the Ahmet Ertegun category... but as we know in the past, they've put the Kings in the Early Influence category (with the exception of B.B.)...

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 21:06pm


Another member of the Red Hots (drummer Chad Smith) picked Rush, Deep Purple, Albert King, Kraftwerk and the Meters, about the same picks as his buddy Flea with the exception of probably Deep Purple and Albert King (Flea picked PE and N.W.A., the Meters, Kraftwerk and Rush).

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 21:34pm


Either of those would be really nice classes.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 22:06pm


There's no accounting for taste.

Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 22:54pm


Bill, how do you feel about Albert King? Are you a fan at all?

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 23:15pm


Bill, how do you feel about Albert King? Are you a fan at all?

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 23:15pm


Will there be a Rollingstone leak at midnight?

Posted by Roy on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 23:27pm


lol @ Bill... different strokes for different folks.

Posted by Tim on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 23:41pm


If that is indeed the class, that's pretty solid.

Anyway, I'd like to officially congratulate Donna Summer on a long overdue induction that came a year too late.

Posted by rockstar23 on Monday, 12.10.12 @ 23:59pm


Nah...my favorite blues singer is Bobby Bland...and HE'S already inducted.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 00:25am


You don't like B.B.? :)

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 00:42am


http://ourrockandrollhalloffame71305.yuku.com/topic/1870/Motowns-Marvelous-MARVELETTES?page=2


Hey Roy...Do you remember how, back in October, you blogged in on Charles Crossley's "Top of The Charts" website...and put in this comment ?

"The Marvelettes

Gladys Horton
Katherine Anderson
Georgeanna Tillman
Wanda Young
Juanita Cowart

Will they all be inducted?"

Here was my reply:

Knowing the RRHOF... WHO KNOWS ?? They are notorious for picking and choosing among group members....inducting some , while leaving others out in the cold .

Anyway, Roy, that is not the real issue. The REAL question is.... WILL THEY GET INDUCTED AT ALL ??

There are just so many slots available each year...and I have a feeling that THIS is how the voting will go:

1. RUSH

2.DONNA SUMMER

3. ALBERT KING

4. HEART or DEEP PURPLE

5. RANDY NEWMAN

..As much as I'd like to see THE MARVELETTES get in ...I can't help but think that they only got on the ballet because of being profiled on the TV series UNSUNG. That series did a similar profile on THE SPINNERS two years ago, and as a result, they made the ballot last year...but they weren't inducted.

I fear that the same thing will happen to THE MARVELETTES.

I hope I'm wrong."

Turns out I was RIGHT. I'm starting to get some insight into just HOW these people think.

As much as I wished I had been wrong, if Darin RG's comment is right, and these ARE the actual inductees...than I hit the nail on the head 2 months ago.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 00:43am


The rumor has it as Heart, Albert King, Randy Newman, Public Enemy, Rush and Donna Summer.
-------------------------------------------------

If true, Public Enemy and Donna Summer were a lock this year.
Gutted by Rush being inducted. It's like losing an old friend. It's just not going to be the same without the annual "I can't believe Rush isn't in the R&RHF, that place is a joke!" At least KISS soldiers on.
I get Albert King as an early influence. Would have liked the Marvelettes.
Would have preferred Deep Purple over Heart.
I have no opinion about Randy Newman.

As to some of the bands that apparently didn't make it:

-Joan Jett's best chance is to be inducted individually like Joplin or Patti Smith. If you look at her total career from the Runaways to her solo work a decent case can be made. But neither the Heartbreakers nor the Runaways can get in by themselves.

-I would like to see Kraftwerk inducted, but it has gotten to the point where they are credited with everything short of inventing oxygen. They are an important act in electronic music, just not the only one. (I wonder if Moroder gets mentioned with Summer's induction?).

-I also would like to see Chic get in. They keep getting nominated, so there is a chance.

-I never understood Procol Harum's nomination.

-NWA will get in eventually.


Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 01:07am


Don't throw in the towel yet, Bill. Like Tim mentioned earlier and Charles and I have been discussing tonight on ToC and Twitter, it seems that leaks (if this one is accurate) always miss or leave one out.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 01:08am


There are supposed to be some more "Special Committee" inductees this year. Let's hope the Wailers and Belmonts get in.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 01:19am


astrodog - You need to study up more, because Kraftwerk actually did invent oxygen. It wasn't the Beatles as some would claim.

Actually you summed up my feelings top to bottom pretty well. I've always been higher on Kraftwerk than you, but I pretty much share your feelings on everything else.

What are we going to do without disgruntled Rush marks? The KISS Army isn't as fun.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 01:20am


I DO think that the RRHOF has been grossly unfair to artists of what I like to call "The Soul Train Era". That is , late 60's-70's R&B and Soul. How can the Hall induct R&B artists of the '50's and early'60's,...then completely BYPASS the R&B artists of the Late 60's/early 70's ...and go straight to '80's Rappers...as if that previous era never even existed ?

You've heard me say this on this site before.

The Manhattans, The Delfonics, The Stylistics, Barry White, Lou Rawls,The Whispers,The Spinners ,(nominated...but not inducted), War, The Dramatics ,Joe Simon, Chi-Lites, Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes, and numerous other artists of this era have been completely ignored.

So you see, Progressive Rock hasn't been the ONLY genre that has been bypassed by the "Great Hall".

Not only have the artists of the "Soul Train" era been ignored....but so has Don Cornelius HIMSELF.

A real travesty.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 01:42am


Yeah I wouldn't rush to judgment yet. Who knows? Albert King still may get the Early Influence shaft. So it's a good chance for a sixth inductee. Possibly Deep Purple or the Marvelettes. Mostly leaked info will not name everybody. They did this the last three years. In 2009, the list leaked included Metallica, Little Anthony and the Imperials, Run DMC, Jeff Beck and Wanda Jackson. Then it turned out Wanda Jackson was inducted to Early Influence and Bobby Womack took the fifth spot. Last year, it was similar: the leaked list was Beastie Boys, Donovan, Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Freddie King and Laura Nyro. When the final inductees of this year were announced, the list included the Faces/Small Faces in the performers inductees list and Freddie King got the Early Influence shaft. There's still some sign either Deep Purple or the Marvelettes could be the one to be the upset.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 02:01am


Yeah, Darin, I noticed (if this is true) that the era of Rush fans getting all pissed off at the Rock Hall will finally come to an end. Deep Purple and Kiss fans are not as crazy about it lol The Rush fans are wild haha

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 02:04am


There are supposed to be some more "Special Committee" inductees this year. Let's hope the Wailers and Belmonts get in.

Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 01:19am

I totally agree with this point. Hopefully there is a phase two of the backing groups/bands.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 02:10am


It's a crime Peter Tosh and Bunny Wailer never got their just desserts... same with Dion's Belmonts.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 02:52am


Or Clarence Clemons

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 02:57am


I wouldn't be surprised if in the coming years, Rush fans and the public at large will have the idea of "Rush isn't in the HOF...WTF?" ingrained in their heads so much, that many people will still complain about Rush not being in the HOF, forgetting that they actually are in the HOF, lol.

I hear fans talk about all the time how why such and such isn't in the HOF yet, when the said artist was inducted like a decade ago. One of the most recent ones was a fan on Rolling Stone's website saying David Bowie should be in the HOF.

So yeah there will still probably be clueless Rush fans still thinking they're not in and threatening to riot if they don't get in next time lol.

Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 05:52am


This class isn't half bad, if it is the real deal. It would've been nice to see Rush & Deep Purple do the double at the Hall this yr., but I'll bank on Purple as an inductee next yr.

For those of you who are desperate for a "replacement Rush" to keep the board lively, may I suggest looking at next yrs. group. Outside of the one utterly obvious inductee, there's another name sitting a few spots away, in smaller print.

Phish.

Phish has a fanbase that, when mobilizied & brought to a proper state of hysterics, could easily rival anything Rush fans unleashed over the yrs. I'm a minor Phish fan myself, but have not surrendered myself over to being a drooling nutjob over them just yet. Certainly it would not lower the Hall's standards to see them in there.

Personally, I think their fanbase will forgive them for not being inducted the first time round, but anything beyond a second miss, & you're liable to see indignation run rampant on this board (which I think we can all agree is a worthwhile cause).

In the meantime, who's helping me jumpstart the Right Said Fred bandwagon?! After all, twas I who pushed for their inclusion on this board! You all know you want them to walk the Hall of Fame Catwalk!

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 06:09am


Why no sidemen or non-performer leaks yet?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 07:29am


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees

Wiki has listed Donna Summer as an inductee and Albert King as an Early Influence inductee. Don't know how true the Albert King entry is. Wait and see if it changes.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 07:33am


https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=Studdah&tw_i=278476747920531456&tw_p=embeddedtimeline&tw_w=259305808406388737

2013 inductees so far

Donna Summer
Public Enemy

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 07:35am


I guess since it is no longer a surprise, the addendum inductees will be announced today as well. The Wrecking Crew, The Belmonts, The E Street Band, The Silver Bullet Band, The Wailers, Wings, The Funk Brothers, The Jordanaires, The Mothers of Invention/The Mothers, The Revolution.

Early Influence: The Ravens, Roy Brown, Wynonie Harris, Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 08:20am


Why haven't you listed Public Enemy on the current hall of famers page with Donna Summer yet?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 08:36am


Well I certainly would hope they induct all of those at once, Roy (the addendum inductees). It remains to be seen, however. Hopefully.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 08:41am


Possible Non-Performer Inductees for 2013

Willie Mitchell, Bernie Lowe, John Simon, Arif Mardin, Phil Ramone, Quincy Jones, Richard Barrett, Robert Blackwell, Bob Crewe, David Porter, Bernie Taupin, David Foster, Jim Steinman, Carole Bayer Sager, Diane Warren, Wolfman Jack, Casey Kasem, Don Cornelius

Kal Mann and Dave Appell
Bert Berns and Jerry Ragovoy
Norman Whitfield and Barret Strong
Burt Bacharach and Hal David
Henry Cosby and Sylvia Moy
Thom Bell and Linda Creed
Boudleaux and Felice Bryant
Nick Ashford and Valerie Simpson

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 08:49am


Roy, as much as most of those are worthy (and a few way overdue), I bet they are going to select somebody seemingly totally out of the blue to induct in that category as they always do (could be wrong, though).

This is a conspiracy theory, but I've noticed in the last two years they tend to favor Non-Performers who we haven't inducted on here into the Revisited/Projected Hall of Fame.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 10:06am


^By that last point I mean initially, we have since inducted Jac Holzman, Art Rupe and Glyn Johns. Also, I'm not saying these guys are random, just unexpected.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 10:08am


@Donnie, true...it's kinda sad really when you don't recognize your favorite artist has already been inducted and you still rant until someone tells you to go to the site and see for themselves.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 10:45am


awww man kraftwerk are NEVER gonna get in.

oh well, least Rush is in.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 11:37am


awww man kraftwerk are NEVER gonna get in.

oh well, least Rush is in.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 11:37am

Where is your source for Rush?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 11:47am


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees

Wiki is listing Public Enemy as inductees now.
Chuck D, Flavor Flav, Terminator X, Professor Griff

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 11:50am


Is this for real?

Rock Hall inductees to be announced in Wednesday's Plain Dealer, instead of today!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 12:07pm


Wikipedia is also listing Albert King as an Early Influence inductee.

Of course, it IS wikipedia, but still.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 12:11pm



Roy, are you making up that stuff about the backing groups being inducted, or do you have actual information?

Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 12:37pm


As far as I'm concerned, if Deep Purple, Rush AND/OR Procol Harum are not among the final inductees, then the HOF offically does not mean jack.

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 12:45pm


No, sorry, I thought I was asking myself a question. I'm assuming that since last year's addendum inductees were not announced on the same day as the regular inductees, it's no longer a surprise as to what the Rock Hall will do in upcoming years, therefore, this year's addendum inductees, if any, will be announced on the same day as all the other inductees.

THE ADDENDUMS WOULD BE

The Belmonts

THE SIDEMEN (Musical Excellence) would be

The Wrecking Crew, The Funk Brothers, The Jordanaires, The E Street Band, The Silver Bullet Band, The Wailers, Wings, The Mothers of Invention/The Mothers, The Revolution

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 12:48pm


Actually, The Silver Bullet Band, The Wailers, Wings, The Mothers of Invention/The Mothers would probably be addendums, since their names were on the album covers.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 12:55pm


Roy, as far as I know, Flea will announce it. I don't know what's the deal with Plain Dealer.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 13:02pm


Procol Harum danny?

srsly?

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 13:02pm


Procol Harum ain't NEVER gonna get inducted lol. Rush will. Deep Purple might. Procol Harum? HA! Hell if you gonna do that, bring the Moody Blues in it before jumping to the defense of "Whiter Shade of Pale" lol

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 13:03pm


45 more minutes!

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 13:15pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNUq6TGn0iA

ARTISAN NEWS: The 2013 Rock Hall Nominees

Rush comments on ABBA's induction

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 13:24pm


Why did they push it to 2:30?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 13:32pm


Will there be a live stream of the announcement online?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 13:39pm


Hmm, looks like Donna Summer, Public Enemy and Albert King have all now been removed from wikipedia's list of Hall of Fame inductees.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 13:54pm


Anyway, they should be back on there shortly when the inductees are announced!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 13:56pm


It's 2 o'clock

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:01pm


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/statistics.php

Rush and Deep Purple are the only artists from this year's Rock Hall nomination who are on FRL's Voting Statistics page. Hopefully they can both be removed soon.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:09pm


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-2013-inductees-rush-public-enemy-heart-and-randy-newman-20121211

The leak was correct: Rush, Public Enemy, Heart, Donna Summer, Randy Newman, Albert King

Lou Adler and Quincy Jones will get in as non-performers!

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:17pm


Lou Adler and Quincy Jones? Well that wasn't as random as I thought it would be, both were on the table.

Congrats to all inductees!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:21pm


Oh wow, I just realized Albert King got in as a Performer and not an early influence, well played.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:22pm


And the Eddie Truck freak out commences:

Eddie Trunk ‏@EddieTrunk
“@jimmyprods: @EddieTrunk RUSH FINALLY IN ROCK HALL OF SHAME!!!!” Wow, they only had to be ignored & wait 15 years before being recognized..

That man has issues...

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:24pm


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-2013-inductees-rush-public-enemy-heart-and-randy-newman-20121211

THE 2013 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

Albert King
Donna Summer
Heart
Public Enemy
Randy Newman
Rush
Lou Adler
Quincy Jones

Does this mean there won't be any addendums announced later this month? No Belmonts? No sidemen either?! No E Street Band! I thought this was going to become a regular thing.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:27pm


My response back:

Kyle Gasser ‏@Gassman3268
@EddieTrunk Do you have to be pissed off all of the time? Be happy! Two bands you advocated for got in!

Let's see if I get a response, doubt it, but let's see.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:28pm


eh, could be better. saying that i'm just annoyed KW and DP didn't get in.

Posted by GFW on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:33pm


So Rush was actually inducted...
No!!! You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!!!! (As the waves quietly break over the remnants of my shattered soul).

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:34pm


Well I got 5/6 correct in my predictions (albeit, after I had it narrowed it down to between 8 picks), like most people I predicted Albert King would get in as an Early influence.

I DID correctly predict that two of the three "classic" rock acts (Deep Purple, Heart and Rush) would get inducted (not all three or only one of them), so I'm patting myself on the back for that one.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:34pm


Expect Chic and Joan Jett (with or without the Blackhearts?) to be back on the ballot soon, they both clearly have friends in high places. I wouldn't rule out N.W.A. either.

Also, hopefully we will see Deep Purple and Kraftwerk back on the ballot soon (please?).

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:38pm


i expect deep purple to be in next year nominees for 2014 along with first eligible/first ballot hall of famer nirvana dont forget kiss also could be back next year for 2014 especially if it goes back to new york for the ceremony

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:44pm


now the question is who will present these inductees for the class of 2013?

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:52pm


@ astrodog,

I think it's a sign that the world really is gonna end in ten days. The Hall finally caved.

Posted by rockstar23 on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:54pm


@rockstar23-Wait! That's right. If the world ends then Rush will not officially have been inducted. There is a God!

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:59pm


Well, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has announced its Class of 2013 inductees. Smartly, all new inductees were first inducted into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project in our induction cycles two years ago. This does mean we at Future Rock Legends are making a significant and unimpeachable impact on how the RRHOF will conduct itself and be relevant in the years to come.

As mentioned beofre, the 2013 inductees are all worthy of this prestigious honor. I do feel a tinge of sadness that Donna Summer is not alive to finally see this induction occur, considering her untimely passing earlier this year. I was pretty certain Summer would be a virtual lock, as would Public Enemy. Easily one of the top 30 groups of all time were going to be inducted right off the bat. Rush is in, and that is very pleasing. Heart is well deseving, though they waited longer than expected. I am a bit perplexed to see Albert King be inducted as a Performer as opposed to the backdoor Early Influence selection process that has frequently occured in recent years. We finally get the Hall of Fame to recognize Randy Newman. And for me personally, I am very pleased and feel elated to have Quincy Jones get inducted. About damn time as far as I am concerned.

Though a grwat class of indcutees, there are some glaring omissions. I can somewhat see the reasoning behind Deep Purple not getting inducted this year. Between the apparant tackiness of finally putting DP on the ballot just after Jon Lord died, not to mention the relations between Ritchie Blackmore and the rest of the living members, it might have been a problem. It still, however, does not excuse omitting Deep Purple one moment longer. As well, I do hope Kraftwerk get inducted one day: yet the day is getting shorter. I was also hoping Chic would get inducted; because you can nver have too much dance music and disco represented.

With 2013 now out of the way, except for the induction ceremonies, we now can eventually move on to whom might be inducted for 2014. I will right now go out on a limb and infer that these artists will be inducted by this time next year.


Peter Gabriel
N.W.A.
Nirvana
Deep Purple
Eurythmics
Whitney Houston

This might change as the months go on. Although I think the top 4 on my list are the virtual locks next year. Let me know what you fellow posters think of my inferred predictions and the different individuals who might induct the new inductees for the ceremony. I will list mine at a later time, perhaps ina few days or so.

Tape the 12 12 12 concert if you cannot watch it live,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 20:13pm


Next year could be a monster class if the hall plays it's cards right.

Nirvana is a shoe-in to be nominated/elected.

Other nominees:

NWA/LL Cool J/Eric B (1-2 of these)
Deep Purple/Moody Blues/Yes (one of these)
Kiss/Bon Jovi (one of these)
Whitney (one of these)
Kraftwerk/Peter Gabriel/Smiths/Depeche/Roxy/Joy D/Devo (1-2 of these)
Marvelettes/Spinners (1 of these)
Joan Jett (they want female balace badly)
Chic (why stop now?)
Cheap Trick/Lou Reed/J Geils (1 of these)
Motorhead/Iron Maiden/Judas Priest (is the hall ready to look at underrepresented metal genre?)
Throw in a couple of surprises (Chicago maybe, War again, a backfill 60's group) and there's your list.

Posted by Classic Rock on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 20:52pm


So how did everyone do with their predictions?

Well, as we have mentioned before, Tom Lane wins the grand prize this year for nailing all six performer inductees. Even with PE and Donna Summer being locks, it's still incredibly difficult to get them all right. http://tomlanesblog.blogspot.com/2012/10/prediciting-2013-rock-hall-inductees.html

Dezmond and FRL both got five out of six. Dezmond gets extra credit for making his prediction on October 6th. http://www.futurerocklegends.com/2013_Nominees.php#319916

Lots of others got four right. Well done, everyone.

Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 11:51am


I think I did pretty good. Back in October, back in October, I blogged in on Charles Crossley's "Top of The Charts" website...and put in this comment, directed to Roy:

"There are just so many slots available each year...and I have a feeling that THIS is how the voting will go:"

1. RUSH

2.DONNA SUMMER

3. ALBERT KING

4. HEART or DEEP PURPLE

5. RANDY NEWMAN

Sadly, I got ALL of them right. I say sadly, because I was hoping , like several of you, that The Marvelettes would get in.

Now,they haven't, and I fear that, like The Spinners and Mary Wells, they will not get another chance.

And yet they've nominated Chic 1,000,001 times....

Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 23:32pm


This is my official (and very premature) 15-nominee prediction for next year's nominees.

Afrika Bambaataa
Chic
Chicago
The Cure
Deep Purple
Gram Parsons
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
Kiss
Kraftwerk
The Marvelettes
N.W.A
Nirvana
Procol Harum
Steve Miller Band
War

Posted by Paul K on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 00:29am


Nice predictions Paul, I would have picked:

Afrika Bambaataa
Chic
Deep Purple/Kiss
Gram Parsons/Steve Miller Band
The Marvelettes
Nirvana

as my prediction for inductees. I balence the inductees based on race like what the Rock Hall did with 2013.

Posted by John R.C on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 00:43am


I'm thinking that Nirvana and N.W.A are the early locks for next year.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 02:37am


I'm thinking the 2014 hall of fame will be the following

1. Nirvana
2. N.W.A.
3. Whitney Houston
4. Deep Purple
5. Kraftwerk

Posted by Kyle on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 06:30am


as for nominees, you forgot Pixies.

Posted by akeem on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 09:23am


Here is my list of nominees for 2014:

1. The Moody Blues
2. Jethro Tull
3. Duran Duran
4. Carly Simon
5. Nirvana
6. Deep Purple
7. Chic
8. Kraftwerk
9. Styx
10. Yes
11. The Marvelettes
12. Judas Priest
13. E.L.O., Jeff Lynne
14. The Cars
15. Procul Harum

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02.3.13 @ 14:19pm


I had voted for the following nominees for 2013 induction:

1. Heart
2. Rush
3. Randy Newman
4. Donna Summer
5. Procol Harum

I predict that next year, will finally be the year of "prog."

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02.3.13 @ 14:24pm


Oops, I forgot Chicago also.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 02.3.13 @ 14:41pm


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