The 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

The 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees were announced at a press event in Los Angeles on December 11th, 2012.

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great list thank god that rush and hesrt made it in, little surprised that deep purple did not get in and also that albert king got in as a performer and not a sideman, i guess he took the deep purple slot and also they were not going to put three hard rock bands in the hall of fame

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:20pm


That's a pretty solid class overall, my only complaint is that Deep Purple and Kraftwerk didn't make it in. Very happy they put Albert King in the right category!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:25pm


Public Enemy over Deep Purple and Procol Harum????
An all time low for the HOF. For shame

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:26pm


All is well in the world today, Public Enemy, one of the most influential rap groups of all time was inducted HOF today. The 2013 class is a pretty class overall, can't complain at all.

Posted by Stephanie on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:35pm


Induct all the older acts before you get to the rap. That's the proper way to do this HOF.

Posted by danny on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:38pm


While I would have liked to see Kraftwerk and Deep Purple in, none of the inducted don't deserve it. The hard work, it seemed, was putting together a quality ballot of nominees. Nearly any slate of Inductees would be high-quality, and personally seeing Randy Newman and Heart make it (two acts I was worried about) makes me pleased.

Posted by Jonah on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:39pm


Solid class overall, to be sure.
I might have gone Kraftwerk (or maybe Chic) for influence over Newman, but I can't quibble too much.
Of course, there are the obvious snubs yet.
With Rush going in, KISS takes the lead as Most Obvious Fan Favorite being omitted.
And we ALL have our personal pet artists. In my case, that would be Cheap Trick and Todd Rundgren.

Posted by Kara on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:42pm


dont forget deep purple i would not be surprised if they get in next year with nirvana and soundgarden being eligible and i would assume that nirvana would get in 2014 along with deep purple or kiss as the hard rock category and also dont forget now that rush is broken the prog rock barriers by getting in which would allow bands like the moody blues and yes to be considered for induction

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:48pm


Very solid class overall.

A bit bummed about DP as I thought they'd get in straight away, I think their time is coming soon though. Kraftwerk , on the other hand, will probably wait for several nominations before an induction.

Good calls on the non-performers too.

I'm a little surprised they didn't go for the obvious Don Cornelius though. Almost as surprising as Sister Rosetta Tharpe not getting in last year (and really, what else has she gotta do to get in?)

Posted by rockstar23 on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:50pm


now the question is who will present these inductees for the class of 2013?

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 14:54pm


I know this Roy-type speculation but I wonder if the announcement order is the actual order for vote totals. Assuming it is then Rush got the most votes followed by Public Enemy, Heart, Randy Newman, Donna Summer then Albert King.

....Or they just arranged them in order of most headline-grabbing lol

Posted by rockstar23 on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 15:00pm


Chris --
I think it would only be appropriate if Mike D and MCA of the Beastie Boys returned the favor for PE.
Maybe someone like Pink for Heart, she's got the grit and some rock edge among the currently popular female singers and I can totally see her being a fan.

Posted by Kara on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 15:01pm


I would love to see Mike D and MCA induct PE. If you consider Eminem inducted Run-D.M.C. and Jay-Z inducted Grandmaster Flash, it would be the first time an Inductee from the Rap world made an induction speech; pretty cool if it hapoens.

Randy Newman will also likely get an Inductee to give his speech, and for some reason I keep circling around Jackson Browne in my head as a fellow L.A.-based singer/songwriter (Tom Waits doesn't strike me as the type, commonalities notwithstanding.)

I'd love to see Heart get a great guitarist like Jimmy Page or any of their macho hard rock contemporaries to show respect to the ladies... would make for a great moment of the Women Who Rock campaign!

Posted by Jonah on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 15:10pm


So Albert King won't get the Freddie King treatment? :)

Pleasantly happy and shocked about Quincy Jones' induction! Congrats man.

I got four out of six in my prediction right (Donna, Heart, PE and Rush). Proud of myself.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 15:14pm


Maybe they get someone from NWA to induct PE. Ice Cube or Dre perhaps. Either of the Beasties would be good too.

Posted by rockstar23 on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 15:17pm


i would like pat benatar induct heart and maybe mike portnoy from dream theater to induct rush

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 15:20pm


Is it possible that they are still planning on adding more addendum inductees later this month?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 15:25pm


Finally for Qunicy Jones eh?

Solid class overall, though I would've switched Rush for Deep Purple.

Posted by Jim on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 15:45pm


Also, I want to smack Eddie Trunk upside the head for his stupidity. Nothing is ever good enough for him, and the Public Enemy bitching sounds like classic rockism.

Posted by Jim on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 15:48pm


I'm very pleased with the inductees for next year. I was shocked to see Quincy Jones in there. I thought they had this thing about him because of Jann. PD, D. Summer, RUSH, R. Newman and A. King, It doesn't get any better than that. Maybe another time for Chic and N.W.A. You can't win 'em all.

Posted by keith franklin on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 15:50pm


When the leak came out yesterday I wasn't super excited about the class, but I've warmed up to it. There's one act being inducted that I loathe and one that inspires profound apathy in me, but taking myself out of the equation, they both deserve it. Really happy about PE and Albert King (as a performer!!!!)

Like many, I'm bummed about Kraftwerk and Deep Purple missing, but I think we'll be seeing both back on the ballot soon enough.

I think that N.W.A is a likely lock for induction next year along with Nirvana.

And like astrodog, I'm really disoriented by the loss of angry, delusional Rush fans. (I like the idea of the world ending before their induction.)

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 16:03pm


Jim: The fact he bitches about Elton John and the Eagles being in but Foreigner out is all you need to know about that clown.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 16:03pm







Well, Albert King, Randy Newman and Donna Summer were long overdue for induction, and Public Enemy was a first-ballot no-brainer and the best overall act (other than possibly Kraftwerk). Rush isn't a terrible addition, although it would have been nice for more first-wave prog acts to get in before them. Lou Adler and Quincy Jones are fine non-performer inductees. Heart is just an example of affirmative action. Kraftwerk is a monumental snub. Overall an underwhelming class.

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 16:38pm


Cool.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 16:54pm


Donna Summer??????????????? Are you joking me. Rush was an excellent choice and Donna Summer and Randy Newman over Deep Purple?????. Give you heads a shake committee. It is called the ROCK HALL OF FAME, not the disco hall of fame. Disco and Rap are the Anti Christ of Rock.

Posted by canada 2112 on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 17:28pm


Cleanup on aisle 4. Someone just vomited cliche all over the place.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 17:31pm


Donna Summer??????????????? Are you joking me. Rush was an excellent choice and Donna Summer and Randy Newman over Deep Purple?????. Give you heads a shake committee. It is called the ROCK HALL OF FAME, not the disco hall of fame. Disco and Rap are the Anti Christ of Rock.

Posted by canada 2112 on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 17:28pm

it's Rock and ROLL Hall of Fame not Rock Hall of Fame

Posted by akeem on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 17:32pm


I like this class quite a bit. Not an undeserving inductee on the list.

I was quite surprised that the Hall did not induct any late 60's artists, but not in a bad way. The last two classes have definitely shown some much needed changes in voting behaviour.

I figured early on that Deep Purple and Rush wouldn't get in together, though I figured the snubbed band would have been Rush.

While Kraftwerk was in my opinion one of the top 6 artists that were nominated, I had a feeling that they weren't going to get in against their competition this year. Their exclusion is particularly frustrating because their non-induction seems to be holding a host of alternative and new wave artists back.

Not to take anything away from their credentials, but I get the feeling that they will need a weak year to get inducted.

Taking a very early look at next year, I honestly think it could be quite predictable. Obviously Nirvana is going in right away, and I think N.W.A. is pretty well a shoo-in as well (if not them, then another rap artist). With Donna Summer off the ballot, I feel like they are going to try and push Chic through for induction. They've been nominated too many times for it not to happen soon.

If Joan Jett gets nominated again, she's probably going in. I don't see how inducting her without the Blackhearts or outside The Runaways makes sense, but obviously they've made their choice to push her on her own.

For the last spot or 2, my guess is that they'll go to a singer-songwriter, probably Gram Parsons or Cat Stevens, and either another female artist/group (maybe The Marvelettes), or someone from the 50's (honestly no idea who that would be).

I would be surprised to see Deep Purple nominated again immediately, though I could see a repeat nomination for either KISS and/or Bon Jovi.

I agree that I'll miss the Rush fans pining for their induction, but at least we still have the KISS army!

Posted by BSLO on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 17:49pm


With Donna Summer in now I could see another push for Chic or maybe Whitney Houston or Janet Jackson getting nominated for the first time next year. With Albert King in we could finally see a nomination for Stevie Ray Vaughn or there could be another nomination for Paul Butterfield Blues Band. With Public Enemy in I could another nomination for N.W.A or Eric B. and Rakim. With Rush in we could possibly see a nomination for Yes or The Moody Blues or maybe King Crimson.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 18:18pm


It's a travesty that Rush and Randy Newman were voted in. Neither of them have contributed anything of significance to music. Newman is an annoying hack. How such an inspirational & innovative band like Deep Purple still is not in is just beyond me. Rush just plain sucks. There's no other way to say it. So many people complain about how they don't get any respect, but do they really deserve it? What have they done? What have they contributed? Sure, Neil Peart is talented, but that's pretty much all they have going for them. On the other hand, I'm glad to see Heart, Albert King, & Public Enemy get in.

Posted by nate on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 18:49pm


"Rush and Randy Newman... Neither of them have contributed anything of significance to music."

Ignorant comment. Try listening to Newman's first five studio albums. He's a brilliant songwriter. As for Rush, I'm not a huge fan, but they're far from the worst inductee.

"How such an inspirational & innovative band like Deep Purple still is not in is just beyond me."

I agree that Deep Purple should have been inducted long ago, but how are they inspirational? Were they all a bunch of handicapped orphans or something?

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 18:58pm


No Early Influences announced? This is probably the only problem I have with this year's class, aside from Kraftwerk, The Marvelettes, and Deep Purple getting snubbed. There are still many worthy names that would make stellar Early Induction choices. I would have gone with Wynonie Harris, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, or Billy Ward and His Dominoes in that category. Hopefully this isn't a sign that the RRHOF is abandoning the remaining uninducted 1950s and earlier acts that should be included. That would be a terrible shame if that were the case.

On a happier note, I'm glad to see that Donna Summer receive her long overdue induction. I just wish it could have come sooner.

It's also refreshing to see that the Hall set aside their annoying fetish for any act that achieved notoriety in the late '60s.

Not really thrilled about Randy Newman or Heart, but they're not worth getting riled up over. There's been far more egregious inductions over the years (Do I really need to mention any names? They should be blatantly obvious.).

Albert King's induction as a Performer could be the Hall's way of rectifying the blunders they made with inducting Wanda Jackson and Freddie King as Early Influences. If so, then this bodes well for The Big Bopper, Johnny Burnette and the Rock 'N Roll Trio, Chuck Willis, and the other worthy '50s receiving proper inductions as Performers. If it were up to me, I'd retroactively remove Jackson and King from the EI category and place them in their proper spot.

All in all, a mostly strong class!

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 18:59pm


Not bad. I'm a bit miffed that Kraftwerk fell short again, thus allowing electronic music to be shut out still (with some material by the late Donna Summer being the exception), and Heart before Deep Purple is difficult to understand. Still, better late than never with Rush, and glad Public Enemy didn't have to wait. I'd have done this a bit differently, but there's nobody here that isn't deserving. Well done.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 19:12pm


Glad to see Albert King honored.

Not a bad class, all things considered, though this is yet another affirmation that the standards for the Hall of Fame are all over the map. But unless they limit the class to one or two slam-dunk candidates each year, that's what we're going to get from now on.

Posted by David Cohen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 19:32pm


The funny thing is that soon the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is going to start inducting '90s alt rock groups, and have pretty much skipped the '80s. In the years that they should have been inducting '80s groups they were instead playing catchup for the '60s and '70s.

Posted by John on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 19:34pm


good point, John. ... Of course, a lot of the more fascinating bands of the 1980s - thinking of The Replacements, The Blasters, Los Lobos, X and Husker Du - didn't make much of a mark commercially, which is a big hindrance.

Posted by David Cohen on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 19:42pm


"The funny thing is that soon the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is going to start inducting '90s alt rock groups, and have pretty much skipped the '80s."

I know, this is maddening. Nirvana will be inducted (deservedly) next year and Sonic Youth, the Pixies, Hüsker Dü, Black Flag, Dinosaur Jr., X, the Meat Puppets and the Replacements (not to mention virtually all British post-punk) will still be on the outside looking in.

"In the years that they should have been inducting '80s groups they were instead playing catchup for the '60s and '70s."

And doing a pathetic job of it, to boot.

Posted by Chalkie on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 19:43pm


Having the Cure on the ballot last year gave me some hope, but it's like this year they turned around and said, "Ah, f*ck it. We tried". Hopefully they get back on track next year.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 19:49pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JflIJxeVawU

The 2013 Rock Hall Press Conference

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 19:56pm


Well, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has announced its Class of 2013 inductees. Smartly, all new inductees were first inducted into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project in our induction cycles two years ago. This does mean we at Future Rock Legends are making a significant and unimpeachable impact on how the RRHOF will conduct itself and be relevant in the years to come.

As mentioned beofre, the 2013 inductees are all worthy of this prestigious honor. I do feel a tinge of sadness that Donna Summer is not alive to finally see this induction occur, considering her untimely passing earlier this year. I was pretty certain Summer would be a virtual lock, as would Public Enemy. Easily one of the top 30 groups of all time were going to be inducted right off the bat. Rush is in, and that is very pleasing. Heart is well deseving, though they waited longer than expected. I am a bit perplexed to see Albert King be inducted as a Performer as opposed to the backdoor Early Influence selection process that has frequently occured in recent years. We finally get the Hall of Fame to recognize Randy Newman. And for me personally, I am very pleased and feel elated to have Quincy Jones get inducted. About damn time as far as I am concerned.

Though a grwat class of indcutees, there are some glaring omissions. I can somewhat see the reasoning behind Deep Purple not getting inducted this year. Between the apparant tackiness of finally putting DP on the ballot just after Jon Lord died, not to mention the relations between Ritchie Blackmore and the rest of the living members, it might have been a problem. It still, however, does not excuse omitting Deep Purple one moment longer. As well, I do hope Kraftwerk get inducted one day: yet the day is getting shorter. I was also hoping Chic would get inducted; because you can nver have too much dance music and disco represented.

With 2013 now out of the way, except for the induction ceremonies, we now can eventually move on to whom might be inducted for 2014. I will right now go out on a limb and infer that these artists will be inducted by this time next year.


Peter Gabriel
N.W.A.
Nirvana
Deep Purple
Eurythmics
Whitney Houston

This might change as the months go on. Although I think the top 4 on my list are the virtual locks next year. Let me know what you fellow posters think of my inferred predictions and the different individuals who might induct the new inductees for the ceremony. I will list mine at a later time, perhaps ina few days or so.

Tape the 12 12 12 concert if you cannot watch it live,

Lax29

Posted by Lax29 on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 20:13pm


The Status of The 2013 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees

01. Albert King - male, black, dead
02. Donna Summer - female, black, dead
03. Heart - 2 females, 6 males, all white, all alive
04. Public Enemy - all black males
05. Randy Newman - male, white, alive
06. Rush - 4 males, all white, 3 living, 1 dead
07. Lou Adler - male, white, alive
08. Quincy Jones - male, black, alive

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 21:01pm


I'll agree with the consensus here - quite pleased with this class. Nobody here is unworthy. Would have liked to see Kraftwerk and Deep Purple, of course. But hopefully they will be nominated again soon.

I must point out that my predictions were nearly perfect. Take out Deep Purple and move Albert King from Early Influence to Performer, and my prediction was right on the money! So I did predict each nominee who did get in. Just predicted one too many and put one in the wrong category.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 21:45pm


So who should give the 2013 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction speeches?

Albert King - ZZ Top
Donna Summer - Elton John, Madonna, Beyonce, Pink, Alicia Keyes, Christina Aguilera
Heart - Any Seattle band
Public Enemy - LL Cool J, Eminem
Randy Newman - Elton John, Billy Joel, James Taylor
Rush - Billy Corgan
Lou Adler - Carole King
Quincy Jones - Lionel Richie, Jermaine Jackson, Janet Jackson

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 22:48pm


My picks:

Albert King - Eric Clapton
Donna Summer - Beyonce (good choice Roy)
Heart - Jerry Cantrell
Public Enemy - Ice Cube or Dr. Dre
Randy Newman - Jackson Browne
Rush - Maynard James Keenan or Les Claypool
Lou Adler - Carole King (another good choice)
Quincy Jones - Lionel Richie (another good choice, it really is a shame that Michael Jackson has passed, he would have been perfect)

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 23:29pm


Yes, the lack of effort for the 80's is pretty maddening. Based on how the job they've done with Alt/Indie and Metal I bet Metallica and R.E.M. wouldn't have gotten in if not for the crossover success they had. Let's get one (maybe two) from each category on the ballot. Maybe next year's ballot could include:

-Motorhead
-Joy Division/New Order
-Husker Du (obviously Nirvana's deserving, just try and get one of their predecessors on the ballot as well)

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 04:58am


If they put one or both of Joy Division/New Order and/or the Cure on the ballot next year, one of them had better be inducted.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 05:21am


Nirvana, NWA, Deep Purple and JD/NO. If I saw that class the word "cream" would not be a Clapton reference.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 05:30am


I wonder if they give metal a nod next year, since they've been actively trying to improve their snubs. They took care of prog this year with Rush's induction (and Procol Harum's nomination). Maybe they'll throw Judas Priest or Iron Maiden a bone next year.

And one of the (non rap) 80s groups will probably come back next year. Safe bet is on The Cure, but The Smiths or Joy Division/New Order could show up. I think all three groups will eventually be inducted. Maybe they might actually go with New Wave and nominate The Cars.

Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 05:35am


DarinRG, that class would be orgasmic. Throw in Kraftwerk and a female act (Joan Jett?) and that would be an amazing, well rounded 6 act class.

Posted by rockstar23 on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 05:37am


rockstar23 - thank you for the icing on the couldn't thought it could be better cake.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 05:48am


As for who will/should give the induction speeches?

Rush: Any number of 90's alternative/metal/prog musicians. Billy Corgan, Dave Grohl, Jack Black, Maynard James Keenan, the guys in Dream Theater, etc.

Heart: Jerry Cantrell was exactly who I had in mind Gassman. If not Jerry Cantrell, perhaps Chris Cornell? Or possibly Pat Benatar?

Public Enemy: I don't see Ice Cube or Dr. Dre doing it considering they were snubbed for the HOF. That's be kind of an insult to snub them, but then ask them to appear to induct an act they lost out to. My bet is it will be one of their peers like LL Cool J, or the surviving members of the Beastie Boys to return the favor. Or it will be a modern day rap legend/superstar like Jay-Z, Eminem, or Kanye West.


Randy Newman: Pretty much any number of male singer-songwriters. Jackson Browne, Elton John, Elvis Costello?


Donna Summer: Janet Jackson, Beyonce, maybe Rihanna? Madonna would be an appropriate choice, but she's "too big" to appear at the HOF. Heck, upon her induction she barely even wanted to show up. Madonna will probably never be at a HOF ceremony ever again. My guess is again, they'll go with a modern day R&B diva/superstar like Beyonce or Rihanna. Maybe even Lady Gaga?


Albert King: I can see Eric Clapton or Buddy Guy being the choices here. B.B. King is another consideration, but beings he's almost 90 years old, I just don't see him showing up to give a speech.


Quincy Jones: Lionel Richie is perfect. I have nothing further to add.


Lou Adler: Probably some 60's rocker that was at the Monterey Pop Festival. Maybe Michelle Phillips of the Mamas and Papas?

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 08:23am


One name I'd like to throw into the 2014 class hat is Def Leppard.

The Hall has already touched on "Hair Metal" with a nomination for Bon Jovi in 2011. As people have been suggesting, the Hall is embracing metal and hard rock and will probably throw it another bone next year. But instead of the pioneers like Judas Priest or Iron Maiden, I could see the Hall going the commercial route and put a nomination for Def Leppard. They are on the "previously considered" list, and other than Guns N' Roses perhaps, there was no commercially-orientated metal/hard rock band in the 80's that was bigger than Def Leppard, not even Bon Jovi though they have a more enduring legacy. The Hall may try to nominate Bon Jovi again, but considering each year seems to have a new nominee for the hard rock category, again I could see them trying out Def Leppard.

That would be pretty good of the Hall to kill two birds with one shot by inducting the biggest hair metal band of the 80's (Def Leppard), plus the biggest 90's alternative rock band (Nirvana). That'd be interesting. I wonder what Kurt Cobain would've thought about being inducted in the same year as Def Leppard (if it happens).

So in short, don't forget about Def Leppard, they're always a possibility I feel.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 08:28am


speaking of "previously considered", I'd rather see Sade, The B-52's and Hall and Oates.

Posted by akeem on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 08:44am


Must stop trolling on RRHoF Facebook... Stop. Mullet rockers and racists will not be converted. Stop.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 08:46am


For Rush's induction speech, the short list would be:

James Hetfield/Kirk Hammett
Dave Grohl
Billy Corgan
Jack Black
Michael Myers
Flea
Sammy Hagar

Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 09:26am


Interesting take on next yrs. potential inductees.

Remember, though, that it is Nirvana's turn next yr. I know a lot of folks are looking at certain new wave groups, but I've already suggested earlier on other pages that the Hall might make the bill suit the band. Do not be suprised if the Cure, the Smiths, etc. are passed over in favor of Sonic Youth.

I'm aware others might not want this to be, but SY wouldn't lessen the Hall in any way, & certainly the link will put them in mind for the voters over the coming twelve months.

For the record, how does this sound:

Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Deep Purple, Kraftwerk, & a rap act of some sort?

Another act that fit the Nirvana bill (at least they spoke highly of them) was The Monkees. It's a long shot, but everyone knows they deserve it, it would fill the near mandatory 60's quotient, & you'd really have a diverse bill.

Just a few random thoughts from my random head...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 09:39am


There have been many interesting articles about the 2013 inductees all over the internet (obviously Future Rock Legends has posted links to many of them).

The ones that I found really interesting and entertaining were the interviews with Rolling Stone given by Geddy Lee, Randy Newman, and the Wilson sisters.

Apparently Randy Newman is a huge fan of Public Enemy and was basically ecstatic to see them get in. He also though N.W.A. would get in too. I wouldn't have expected that at all. And he also said he's a fan of all the inductees.

Geddy Lee said he was happy for Heart and knew them very well and had worked with them. He also said he had a lot of respect for Albert King and Randy Newman. And he also discussed Deep Purple saying it was a shame they didn't make it. He also pointed out that his band as well as Heart wouldn't have found their sound and style without Deep Purple. So it looks like already that the current HOF inductees are lobbying for Deep Purple. My guess is if Deep Purple gets nominated again, the second time will be the charm. And he also talked about Public Enemy saying he wasn't very familiar with them but that they deserved it. When he was asked about a potential finale jam, he stated maybe they (Rush) could learn one of Public Enemy's songs. Rush playing a rock version of "Bring the Noise" with Public Enemy perhaps?


As for Heart, they didn't say as much about the other inductees, but they did say they were really happy for Rush and Randy Newman.


Interestingly enough, none of the three interviewed mentioned anything about Donna Summer.


As for the potential finale jam with all of the living inductees (Rush, Heart, Randy Newman, and Public Enemy), Heart basically stated there would be no Rush songs played in the finale as no one could basically play at their level lol. As for Randy Newman? His direct quote was "I think we can do it." Can you imagine the members of Rush, the Wilson sisters, Randy Newman, and Chuck D and Flavor Flav jamming together? I might have to get HBO, just to watch this lol.


Really interesting stuff though.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 10:55am


2013 finale jam band lineup:

Ann Wilson: Vocals
Geddy Lee: Bass, Vocals
Chuck D: Vocals
Flavor Flav: Vocals
Nancy Wilson: Guitar
Alex Lifeson: Guitar or Keyboards
Randy Newman: Piano, Vocals
Neil Peart: Drums
Terminator X: Turntables

What a band!!! lol.

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 11:00am


As much as I love them, I have a hard time seeing Iron Maiden ever getting in. Despite being a huge touring act, they rarely get mainstream radio play, so I'm sure most of the Rock Hall nominators see them as a "niche" act whose influence is on a specific genre rather than music as a whole. Judas Priest is similar, but I think they've gotten a bit more radio play. I think that if any '80s British metal group gets in, it will be Def Leppard.

I think the problem is that a lot of the people on the nominating committee bought into the whole "grunge saved rock and roll" idea. So they feel like the '80s didn't offer as much as previous decades. And many heavy metal pioneers got their start or were most prevalent in the '80s so that doesn't help their case.

The fact that Kiss and Deep Purple didn't get in certainly doesn't bode well for a lot of hard rock/metal bands. Then again, there were other circumstances at play. Both were nominated in years when there was strong opposition. And in the case of Kiss, they aren't exactly hugely respected within the industry (though I think their influence is undeniable).

I think what kept Deep Purple out was Rush. Most people were predicting that one or the other would get in and Rush has far more fan support than Deep Purple.

Posted by John on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 13:33pm


It took the Hall ten years to induct no-brainers Black Sabbath, so, yes, it may take a while to get in the crucial early heavy metal acts like Blue Cheer, Deep Purple, Motorhead, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden.

I don't think that Kiss not getting in has any bearing on the metal situation. Their baggage is completely unrelated to the Metal question. It has more to do with the quality/artistic value of their musical output, behaviour of Gene Simmons and, essentially, their entire ethos.

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 13:40pm


What I meant is that it really shows that heavy metal is not among the RRHOF voters' priorities.

Interesting note: 2010 and 2013 there was both a hard rock/heavy metal group (Kiss in 2010, Deep Pueple in 2013) and a progressive rock group (Genesis and Rush, though some would call Rush Progressive Metal) and in both cases the progressive rock group got in.

Posted by John on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 15:45pm


The inductees should be decided by the public and not by blind liberal music journalists. Let's boot Jan Wenner and these ignorant people out and let the true fans make the right choices.

Posted by danny on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 17:01pm


The inductees should be decided by the public and not by blind liberal music journalists. Let's boot Jan Wenner and these ignorant people out and let the true fans make the right choices.

Posted by danny on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 17:05pm


Having seen how many years Deep Purple and other obvious choices omitted from even being nominated it is pathetic to see some so peripherally related to rock n' roll inducted. I support the great blues players being inducted but the pop stars aren't rock n' roll. So many greats are excluded every year that annually it becomes more of a joke than an honor. As I tried to get some recognition for Procol Harum this year,nearly every one I talked to said the Rock Hall was beyond absurdity and now 2013 leaving out Deep Purple and Procol Harum I have to agree.

Posted by Jeff Platt on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 17:30pm


This is a very good group of inductees. Maybe the headliners this year aren't as big as last year's, but last year's group also had a couple questionable picks. All six performers this year are deserving of induction. Deep Purple is the most disappointing snub. Their day will come soon enough.

Quincy Jones, of course, was long overdue as well. Good to see the Hall honoring someone while they're still alive to enjoy it. I'm crossing my fingers that he'll be inducted by Rashida Jones clad in a little black dress. That girl is fine.

Posted by A-Killa on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 18:05pm


Thank god that danny doesn't have a ballot. Not everyone who has to sit down to take a piss gets in.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 18:33pm


If I were king, next year's inductees:

Nirvana
Deep Purple
Yes
Peter Gabriel
The Smiths
Chicago

Or how about

Nirvana
Kiss
Moody Blues
Barry White
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Hall and Oates

Or

Nirvana
Def Leppard
Cheap Trick
The Cure
Joe Cocker
Jethro Tull

Or ANY mix of the above.


Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 20:14pm


http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-2013.html

DIGITAL DREAM DOOR POSTS ITS CRITIQUE OF THE 2013 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.12.12 @ 22:33pm


'Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Deep Purple, Kraftwerk, & a rap act of some sort?' - Cheesecrop

Sure, I could definitely go for that. Throw in The Monkees as the token 60's pick and that's the perfect class.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 12.13.12 @ 19:08pm


All I know is next year, Deep Purple better get IN. lol can't believe some folks are dissing Rush though (PE's criticism was expected but Rush? LOL).

Posted by Tim on Thursday, 12.13.12 @ 19:40pm


Nice picks, Classic Rock.

Posted by Tim on Thursday, 12.13.12 @ 19:41pm


Will there be any additional inductees announced in January

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.14.12 @ 10:22am


i dont believe so roy

Posted by chris on Friday, 12.14.12 @ 15:47pm


I guess I can say I'm very satisfied with this list. I mean who wouldn't like the fact that Heart, Rush and Quincy Jones are FINALLY MAKING IT IN?!!! It only shows that Jann Wenner and his band of so-called music industry professionals and critics have come to their senses and listened to the public. Like the FRL webmaster said, blackballing is out the window. Well, at least not until KISS gets in. But hey, I'm definitely happy and I can't wait for Rush to grace the stage and who gets to induct this new class. I'm betting James Hetfield or Dave Grohl will induct Rush, while Mike Diamond will induct Public Enemy.

On a negative note,
1) I'm assuming a lot of you probably saw my negative comment about Randy Newman on his page, and needless to say I'm still questioning why he's getting in there.
2) Kraftwerk didn't get in! I'm afraid of having to wait 9 more years, unless EDM becomes more popular then they'll truly recognize the origins of that great genre.
3) Donna Summer getting in before her former labelmates, KISS. Yes I know she recently died and she's had more Top 10 and memorable songs, and she's got a royalty music title. I guess it had to happen sometime.

I'll leave my 2014 predictions until the summer. Until now, happy celebrating Rush fans!

Posted by Jason Voigt on Friday, 12.14.12 @ 16:39pm


Maybe it's Sheryl Crow who will give the induction speech for Heart, if not a Seattle band.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 12.16.12 @ 11:40am


how about metallica inducting rush since they are both fans of the group?

Posted by chris on Monday, 12.17.12 @ 12:06pm


Yeah, I mentioned James Hetfield in my above comment. Either him or Lars Ulrich or someone from that band would be fitting. I remember when they got inducted they stated they 'were embarrassed they were getting in before their heroes Rush and KISS'!

Posted by Jason Voigt on Tuesday, 12.18.12 @ 13:49pm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees#Early_influences

On the wiki page of the list of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees, it is listed that Son House is inducted as Early Influence for 2013.

Posted by Johnny on Tuesday, 12.18.12 @ 23:39pm


presenters:

donna summer: beyonce
randy newman: jackson browne
rush: kirk hammett
heart: pat benatar
public enemy: jay-z
albert king: jimmy page
quincy jones: lionel ritchie

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 12.19.12 @ 11:57am


Son House is removed from the wiki page. Probably just somebody's wish. Nothing to make a lot of fuss about.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 12.19.12 @ 14:24pm


Possible Presenters:

Lou Adler - Carole King, Cheech & Chong
Heart - Jerry Cantrell, Chris Cornell, Liz Phair, Melissa Etheridge
Quincy Jones - Lionel Richie, Rashida Jones in a red cocktail dress
Albert King - Eric Clapton, John Mayer
Randy Newman - Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Dr. John
Public Enemy - Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, Kanye West, Scott Ian
Rush - Muse, Win & Regine from Arcade Fire
Donna Summer - Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, Alicia Keys

Posted by A-Killa on Thursday, 12.20.12 @ 16:26pm


rush will be presented by a well-known artist not muse or any arcade fire person

Posted by chris on Friday, 12.21.12 @ 12:51pm


Oh yeah, because Arcade Fire and Muse are SO obscure.

Posted by gfw on Friday, 12.21.12 @ 13:26pm


Not that I care about any of this who will induct who nonsense, but I bet Zack De La Rocha inducts P.E.

Posted by Chalkie on Saturday, 12.22.12 @ 06:47am


'Rashida Jones in a red cocktail dress'

Sorry to sound sexist, but THIS! I second that.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 12.22.12 @ 12:58pm


^ Third that!

Posted by rockstar23 on Saturday, 12.22.12 @ 16:19pm


Real happy about all the inductees, other than PE. Kinda disappointed in how far the hof has fallen though, I thought it was supposed to be rock and roll. Not anything every radio station has ever played.. Oh well. Already dug the hole, I guess..

Posted by RealRock13 on Sunday, 12.23.12 @ 02:03am


^ PE is more rock and roll then a lot of the other acts that were inducted. This narrow-mindedness when it comes to rock and roll is getting really good really fast!

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 12.23.12 @ 02:36am


Exactly. "Bring the Noise" rocks harder than the majority of the songs Heart released in the 1980s and 1990s.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 12.23.12 @ 04:00am


Public Enemy in general rocks harder than a lot of the second tier 60s acts in the Hall.

Speaking of which, "Don't Believe in the Hype" really needs to get inducted to the song project.

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 12.23.12 @ 04:02am


^ ugh, Don't Believe the Hype. no "in".

Night of the Living Baseheads, Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos and 911 is a joke should all be strongly considered as well.

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 12.23.12 @ 04:10am


General note on whether PE "rocks harder" than certain acts listed here:

You face a technology issue here when you talk about most times in music, but especially the 60's. The music of 1965 rocks harder than the music of 1962, even though a lot of it can be classified as the same thing. Likewise, the music of 68 rocks harder than 65. Technology's kicking the ball down the line. Inventions like the Moog synthesizer and the Wah pedal don't exist in 1962 - technically, an act like Technotronic or Snap!, much less PE, can outrock anything from the 1st half of that decade.

As for Heart, well, no kidding, they were doing mostly pop material in the 80's & 90's anyway (good stuff, but still...). Put a number like "Barracuda" up against some of PE's stuff, you might get a diff. opinion...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 12.23.12 @ 05:33am


got that right they are obscure gfw, so get a real artist to induct rush not so phony group

Posted by chris on Monday, 12.24.12 @ 12:46pm


oh my god, are you for real?

Posted by GFW on Monday, 12.24.12 @ 13:41pm


Also, I was thinking about this just now: Is Heart the first group/act in the HOF to have a power ballad? (These Dreams, Alone, Never, etc) I can't think of any other group in there that has one. Can anyone think of any?

Obviously opinions will vary on genres and the definition of a 'power ballad'. This would give me hope about Journey and Cheap Trick, among many others.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 12.24.12 @ 14:59pm


If they aren't in his 8-track collection they're obscure and phony, GFW.

I think they should have LL Cool J induct Rush. Rockist. Heads. Explode.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.24.12 @ 16:46pm


"Also, I was thinking about this just now: Is Heart the first group/act in the HOF to have a power ballad? (These Dreams, Alone, Never, etc) I can't think of any other group in there that has one. Can anyone think of any?"

Oh, only Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith (half their post-drug singles), Van Halen, Guns 'N Roses, Alice Cooper, Metallica, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. That's not even counting traditional ballads, power ballads outside traditional hard rock, debatable songs by hard rock bands (i.e. Rush's "Time Stand Still"), or bands I might be forgetting.

Even if you date power ballads to the early '80s Journey/Foreigner/REO Speedwagon stuff and exclude songs like "Stairway to Heaven", "Dream On", "Only Women Bleed", "Beth", "More Than A Feeling", etc... (which I think is wrong) Aerosmith still counts as a power ballad band, and I'm sure they released more of them than even Heart did.

Posted by Sean on Monday, 12.24.12 @ 18:08pm


Sorry I'm so late to the party. That's what happens when you work as a postal carrier during the holiday season. Worked about 160 hours in the past 3 weeks.

Of all the inductees, I'm really only shocked that Heart made it. I thought they'd get lost in the shuffle. Glad to see Quincy and Lou make it. I'm hoping Lou helps push for Barri And Sloan to get in as songwriters next year.

Speaking of which, I'm already feeling confident about Nirvana, Whitney Houston, and Chic (yes Chic) for next year. And congrats to Tom Lane for nailing it perfectly. I did it once, in 2007, but not since.

Merry Christmas to all.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 12.25.12 @ 15:19pm


RealRock13 wrote:
Real happy about all the inductees, other than PE. Kinda disappointed in how far the hof has fallen though, I thought it was supposed to be rock and roll. Not anything every radio station has ever played.. Oh well. Already dug the hole, I guess..
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I don't really blame them for broadening the scope of the R&RHF. Rock has seen its influence wane noticeably. What are the best rock bands to arise in the last 5 years? Fun!? Mumford and Son? How else do they stay relevant?

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 12.25.12 @ 18:42pm


"What are the best rock bands to arise in the last 5 years?"

Fleet Foxes? White Denim? Vampire Weekend? Titus Andronicus? The Sheepdogs? Florence and the Machine?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.26.12 @ 04:31am


@Tahvo Parvianen-I like Florence.

Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 12.26.12 @ 17:57pm


Tahvo, I really dig Florence, Vampire Weekend, Portugal The Man, Beirut, the Big Pink, Foster The People and yes I drank the Mumford & Sons kool aid.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 12.26.12 @ 23:34pm


@ astrodog

Cool.

@ Jason

Some good picks you mentioned there I forgot about!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 12.27.12 @ 04:35am


yeah i am for real gfw, go broaded your musical horizons

Posted by chris on Friday, 12.28.12 @ 16:09pm


if you think Muse and Arcade Fire are obscure acts then something tells me I'm not the one who has to broaden their horizons.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 12.29.12 @ 07:45am


I'd be hard pressed to name even one great rock band that has debuted in the past five years (I don't pay much attention to current music, although there are exceptions), but I can name one current solo artist who shows tremendous promise, and his name is JD McPherson. Signs and Signifiers is a tremendous album. I sincerely hope that McPherson leads the way for a mass-scale revival of interest in 1950s rock 'n roll amongst the millennials, of which I am sadly a member, albeit one of the more enlightened ones. His recent appearances on The Late Show with David Letterman and The Tonight Show with Jay Leno will certainly gain him new fans.

Call me an old man before my time, but I am far more interested in discovering old swing or glam rock (just to name two styles I love) musicians than I am in keeping with the current musical landscape. I'll make the effort to seek out newer music, but I have to exercise great caution. I wouldn't want to besmirch my music library with the likes of Wiz Khalifa or Lady Gaga.

The best new musicians (new for me means just about anything from the 1990s onward) are heavily influenced by older forms of music, such as JD McPherson, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, The Brian Setzer Orchestra, Chris Isaak, and The Scissor Sisters, to name a few.

Posted by Zach on Saturday, 12.29.12 @ 22:42pm


"if you think Muse and Arcade Fire are obscure acts then something tells me I'm not the one who has to broaden their horizons"--GFW

I wouldn't call them obscure, but they're definitely not heavily mainstream, and the Rock Hall has shown that that is not going to change anytime soon. It's a pipe dream to think the Hall is going to turn into a wonderland of indie/undie/alt recognition, and I really hope it doesn't, but the Mainstream is gonna continue to dominate the inductee lists year in, year out, generally speaking.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.30.12 @ 17:31pm


My guess for next year inductees

Nirvana
Patsy Cline
Kraftwerk
Hall & Oates
Deep Purple
Roxy Music

Posted by Brian on Sunday, 12.30.12 @ 17:31pm


Muse are incredibly mainstream, they performed at the olympic closing ceremony!

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 12.30.12 @ 17:46pm


Arcade Fire won Album of the Year at the Grammys the Sacred Fecking Cow of mainstream music. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for them to induct anybody.

"It's a pipe dream to think the Hall is going to turn into a wonderland of indie/undie/alt recognition, and I really hope it doesn't"

Not even I hope or expect the Hall to turn into an indie wonderland but it should at least recognize all the so-called indie and underground artists who have influenced the Nirvana's, Chili Peppers and Green Days of the world. I don't think it's too much to ask. Groups like Joy Division, Sonic Youth and Hüsker Dü aren't just any underground act: they're major groups in the history of Rock whose influence is massively widespread.

Posted by Chalkie on Sunday, 12.30.12 @ 17:50pm


I wouldn't call them obscure, but they're definitely not heavily mainstream, and the Rock Hall has shown that that is not going to change anytime soon. It's a pipe dream to think the Hall is going to turn into a wonderland of indie/undie/alt recognition, and I really hope it doesn't, but the Mainstream is gonna continue to dominate the inductee lists year in, year out, generally speaking.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12.30.12 @ 17:31pm
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Depends on your definition of what the indie/undie/alt music world is. If you're still referring to Seattle and 20 yrs ago under this terminology, than yes, it Will in fact become that. However, I know of no young people who would truly consider those acts indie or underground any longer. If they really want to tell the history of the music, they'll toss in SY, Black Flag, Husker, the Replacements, etc., along w/Seattle, the Pumpkins, etc.

If you're talking Arcade Fire, Muse, & others of that ilk, well, they've as much a chance as anyone, providing they stick around a bit longer.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 12.31.12 @ 06:38am


I'd be hard pressed to name even one great rock band that has debuted in the past five years (I don't pay much attention to current music, although there are exceptions),

Posted by Zach on Saturday, 12.29.12 @ 22:42pm
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If you don't pay too much attention, than how do you know what you've missed?

While even I'll admit that there's no mega act roaming the universe right now, there's lots of solid above-ground stuff (providing you're talking music & not "star time" acts who need to strike a pose for everything they do). Cage the Elephant, Mastodon, & the National all had some good stuff out recently.

If you don't have a total inborn fear of everything post 2000's, then maybe you'll give a few moments to some of these:

Eulogies - "You Hide"
E.J. McClellan - "WhooDoo Voodoo"
The Fractals - "Ms. Kensington"
The Like - "June Gloom"

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 12.31.12 @ 07:04am


gfw i dont need to broaden my horizons i know what good music is and what is not good music

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 01.1.13 @ 17:17pm


Rock is dead. Happy New Year!

Seriously, I like the inclusion of alt/indie bands just so long as the criteria is somewhat defined. For example there were imho good and legitimate reasons to include the Velvet Underground and the Stooges. They had an impressive body of work even without commercial sales and their impact wasn't some journalistic pipe dream. You can make similar arguments regarding the NY Dolls, Roxy Music, even Kraftwerk or the Silver Apples. The problem is when this healthy outlook to look beyond commercial sales degenerates into hipsterism, where bands are championed less on the merits and more as a matter of journalistic pretension or favoritism. There are just certain acts that always get tremendous hype in the music press that don't stand up too well under scrutiny. By all means honor important alt/indie bands, but hopefully this amounts to more than the usual suspects honoring the critic's darlings facts be damned.

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 01.1.13 @ 18:31pm


January 2, and already we have one of the most tone-deaf posts of the year. Congrats Astrodog!

Posted by Chalkie on Wednesday, 01.2.13 @ 07:38am


Cheesecrop, I'll definitely check out all of those bands and songs you listed when I have the time.

"If you don't pay too much attention, than how do you know what you've missed?"

I believe that I already indicated that there are some stellar contemporary musicians/singers/bands out there. I even took the time to list a few.

I never ignore or dismiss music until I've had the chance to listen to it. Obviously I don't waste my time with the Rihannas and the Nickelbacks of the world because their fodder is consistently awful and offers no excitement or challenge to me.

I've listened to some Radiohead, Arcade Fire, and a few of the other critically acclaimed acts of the last decade. While I wouldn't necessarily say that I despise them, I'm not enamored with them either. I could foresee having a change of heart at some point about RH, AF, and others, but for now their stuff just doesn't interest or move me. I certainly would never call them awful, though.

As a young musicologist with a marked interest in pre-1964 music, I grow frustrated when I see my beloved 1950s and other decades get the short shrift in favor of other eras. There is simply no need to give one decade or era (especially the overrated 1967-1972 era) more attention than the others. We all have our favorite decades/eras/genres, and there's nothing wrong with that, but closing the doors to everything outside of your comfort zone does you no good.

I often find that the people who are the most well versed in discussing music are those who listen to most or all types. It should come as no surprise that my two most despised music scenes are the contemporary top 40 and the classic rock crowd because of their ignorance and refusal to expand their libraries.

Go to any American college or high school, and you'll see kids wearing T-shirts bearing the names, faces, and/or logos of The Beatles, The Who, Led Zeppelin, etc. These types think that they are so knowledgeable and superior simply because they love these bands, but if you try quizzing them on Fats Domino, Roxy Music, or Link Wray (just to name a few examples), you'll either receive blank stares or an "I don't who they are." And these aren't one-hit wonders or garage bands I'm talking about. These are some of the most important names in the development and history of rock 'n roll.

Despite this, I remain optimistic that the Millennials and future generations will see the error of their ways and open their borders to discovering all this wonderful music, especially what came before The Beatles. There are already signs of this taking place.

I'm a huge video game fanatic and I play a lot of the latest games on the Nintendo Wii and the XBox 360. One of my favorites on the latter is Mafia II. It's gangster/mob-based game set in the 1940s and 1950s. You play as Vito, a young petty criminal who enters organized crime and completes various task. You have to do a lot of driving in the game to get from one place to another, and you can play music from three different radio stations. Since this game is set in a historical time period (1945 - 1951), the soundtrack is reflective of that time, although it does take some license by including songs outside of that timeframe. You can choose from Empire Classic (big band, swing, and traditional pop like Cab Calloway, Dean Martin, Bing Crosby, and Rosemary Clooney), Empire Central (mostly traditional pop, rockabilly, soul, and jazz, like The Andrews Sisters, Buddy Holly and The Crickets, Duane Eddy, and Ritchie Valens) Delta Radio (blues and R&B, like Louis Jordan, Little Richard, Muddy Waters, and John Lee Hooker). There is some overlap between the three stations, but they each have a distinctive style and sound. If you are a video gamer yourself, I would recommend Mafia II highly.

Posted by Zach on Friday, 01.4.13 @ 22:27pm


Zach, what do you think of the person who is knowledgable about Fats, Link and Roxy Music, and who does greatly appreciate Muddy, Wolf, Duke, Miles, Louis Jordan, etc., yet still thinks bands like The Who, Stones and Kinks represent the pinnacle of rock and roll? Even your hated Neil Young?

I could be wrong here, but sometimes you come across as going too far the other way. In an attempt to move beyond the classic rock staples, which is admirable in itself, you sound like you overlook what does make some of those artists actually great. Because they truly are. Just because someone is a big fan of some of the "obvious" ones, does not mean that same person cannot also appreciate the other genres and eras too.

By the way, in part based on your rantings and ravings, I delved deeper into Gary Numan's catalogue. Thank you, I like his stuff quite a bit. Someone else, although not quite as dark, from that same era who also often gets unfairly dismissed is Thomas Dolby. I would not argue that he is Hall-worthy or anything, but on a personal level, I really like his music a lot. If you are open to it, you should check out his album 'The Flat Earth.' Absolutely outstanding. Also often unfairly dismissed is Duran Duran, who are actually superb musicians. To reasses them, I would suggest checking out their debut if you have not done so. As a fan of Numan and Roxy, I think you would be surprised by how good it is.

Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 01.5.13 @ 00:00am



Zach, what do you think of the person who is knowledgable about Fats, Link and Roxy Music, and who does greatly appreciate Muddy, Wolf, Duke, Miles, Louis Jordan, etc., yet still thinks bands like The Who, Stones and Kinks represent the pinnacle of rock and roll? Even your hated Neil Young?

I could be wrong here, but sometimes you come across as going too far the other way. In an attempt to move beyond the classic rock staples, which is admirable in itself, you sound like you overlook what does make some of those artists actually great. Because they truly are. Just because someone is a big fan of some of the "obvious" ones, does not mean that same person cannot also appreciate the other genres and eras too.

Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 01.5.13 @ 00:00am
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You hit it right on the head.

When I was in high school I used the old time movies & music as a protest against what was around me. Tail end pop metal, dance music, golden age hip-hop, & left over new wave didn't always appeal to me. I ran back to old comedy teams (Stooges, Marx Bros., A&C, etc.) as an attempt to find something diff. I was also into Fred & Ginger, Dick Powell, & some old musicals. I was forever singing songs from films like "Top Hat" & "Swing Time", & I always new the obscure silly songs that the comedians put in their flicks.

Thing is, I wasn't some hard-liner about it. I'd listen to Metallica's "One", & then listen to Powell do "Pop Goes Your Heart". I'd follow it w/M.C. Hammer's "You Can't Touch This", & then give "Shuffle Off to Buffalo" a chance, only to follow that up w/Information Society's "What's on your Mind". I was all over the place, & nobody could get a beat on my you-know-what. I'd chill w/a weird crowd that roughly could be called an offshoot of thrash metal, but even they were out there (digging Testament & Elvis at the same time).

I may do a lot of huffing & puffing for rock, but I don't draw up boundaries regarding rock from any decade. I do draw up a musical boundary between rock & pop, though at the same time I've admitted on this site many times that there's lots of pop I do genuinely love.

I say it's one thing to pull a doctranaire line on everybody, but just do us a favor & leave a little humanity for the masses, & don't get too high on yourself.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 01.5.13 @ 11:47am


I'm glad to see donna summer make it. Unfortunately she didn't live to see it. Overdue in my opinion are ELO and Whitney Houston.

Posted by Will J on Saturday, 01.5.13 @ 14:04pm


http://www.hitparadehalloffame.com/

The 2012 Hit Parade Hall of Fame inductees will be announced next week.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 01.12.13 @ 21:53pm


http://rockhall.com/inductees/

The biographies for the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees are now complete, but they don't list yet which members of each group are being inducted.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.16.13 @ 11:16am


Here is the 2013 Induction Ceremony poster:

Posted by FRL on Monday, 01.21.13 @ 16:35pm


Depending on who will the special apperance will perform or present on the inductees, I can guess who they are:

John Mayer - Albert King
Christina Aguilera - Heart
Jennifer Hudson - Donna Summer
Don Henley - Randy Newman
Dave Grohl & Taylor Hawkins - Rush
Gary Clark Jr. - either Lou Adler or Quincy Jones
Usher - Public Enemy

Posted by John R.C on Monday, 01.21.13 @ 16:54pm


Christina Aguilera for Heart does not make any sense because Heart was a Rock band and they also had male members. They have gotten two people before to give the induction speech for one artist. I'm guessing both Aguilera and Hudson for Donna Summer. Dave Grohl for Heart (because of the Seattle connection) and Taylor Hawkins for Rush. If both Grohl and Hawkins are inducting Rush, the way they both inducted Queen, that means they still have not found anyone for Heart, if it isn't Aguilera, I hope it isn't. They need to get someone else from Seattle. Heart is performing. They don't need a female to induct them and sing for them. Oh, but I guess that's what it is! They need someone who can hit the high notes, so yes, Aguilera does actually make sense singing Ann Wilson. Sheryl Crow or Stevie Nicks wouldn't make any sense, neither would any male Seattle singer. That means the Rock Hall house band will be performing behind Aguilera when she sings. I wonder if the male members of Heart will perform at the all-star jam because they sure won't be performing with Ann and Nancy because they don't want them to.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 01.21.13 @ 17:42pm


Why would Usher induct Public Enemy (he's not Rap) and why would Gary Clark induct Lou Adler?

If it is Usher, that means they have not found anyone for Quincy Jones, unless they are getting one person to induct both Quincy Jones and Lou Adler at the same time. I sure hope not!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 01.21.13 @ 17:50pm


It also says more to be announced. So nothing is definite. When did we find out about presenters last year?

Posted by Ryan on Monday, 01.21.13 @ 20:22pm


My guess is Heart will perform the classics: Magic Man and Barracuda, and Christina Aguilera will sing the 80s hit, Alone.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 07:29am


I bet you $1 million that Deep Purple and The Monkees will both be on the ballot next year and they will both be inducted. Two acts who recorded Neil Diamond songs. Neil Diamond had to be inducted first. I'm pretty sure The Marvellettes and Chic got enough votes to return to the ballot too!

THE 2014 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

01. Chic
02. Kiss
03. Nirvana
04. Deep Purple
05. The Monkees
06. The Marvelettes

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 07:41am


Roy, which one do you want to be realistic enough to replace with N.W.A? In the real world you have to pick one.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 09:09am


I only listed the 6 inductees, not the 15 nominees. There were no rap acts inducted in 2008, 2010 or 2011. So I'm sure it can happen again, but my 15 nominees for 2014...

01. Chic
02. Kiss
03. Nirvana
04. Deep Purple
05. The Monkees
06. The Marvelettes
07. Mary Wells
08. Gram Parsons
09. N.W.A
10. War
11. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
12. The Meters
13. Eric B. & Rakim
14. Whitney Houston
15. The Moody Blues

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 09:27am


I think that next class starts with Nirvana and N.W.A and you have to build from there. Your ballot is not bad. I'd like to see an 80s Alt representative, but I think your prediction is reasonable with a tweak or two.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 10:02am


So this is what it is looking like

Usher for Public Enemy
Don Henley for Randy Newman
Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins for Rush
Christina Aguilera and Jennifer Hudson for Donna Summer
John Mayer and Gary Clark Jr. for Albert King

That means they don't have anyone yet to give the induction speeches for Heart, Quincy Jones or Lou Adler

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 11:38am


It just seems unlikely that the Rock Hall would get two people from the same band to induct two different artists in the same year. Dave Grohl for Heart, and Taylor Hawkins for Rush. Has this ever happened before? Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins both inducted Queen. If Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins are both inducting Heart, not Rush, then that means the Rock Hall has not decided yet who will induct Rush. Dave Grohl, Taylor Hawkins and Heart both performed for Led Zeppelin at last year's Kennedy Center Honors, so it is most likely Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins who are inducting Heart.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 15:56pm


Our guesses:

John Mayer and Gary Clark, Jr. will be involved in the induction and/or performance for Albert King.

Christina Aguilera and Jennifer Hudson will be involved in the induction and/or performance for Donna Summer.

Don Henley seems likely to induct Randy Newman.

Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins would give the speech for Rush.

Usher seems likely to do some sort of Michael Jackson performance as part of the Quincy Jones retrospective.

Public Enemy, Rush, Heart and Randy Newman can all perform for themselves.

Keep in mind the names on the poster are just a partial list, so you don't have to match every name with an inductee. Also, don't be surprised to see Foo Fighters perform a random song the same way Green Day kicked off the ceremony last year with one of their own songs.

Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 17:11pm


"Zach, what do you think of the person who is knowledgable about Fats, Link and Roxy Music, and who does greatly appreciate Muddy, Wolf, Duke, Miles, Louis Jordan, etc., yet still thinks bands like The Who, Stones and Kinks represent the pinnacle of rock and roll? Even your hated Neil Young?"

It would depend on the circumstances. If said person merely regurgitates what he/she has been told (especially if their sources include Rolling Stone and classic rock radio stations) and cannot formulate their own reasons as to why the hoary favorites of the 1960s are the best, then I'd say that their opinions aren't even worth hearing. This is why I usually dismiss hardcore Beatles fanatics because they rely on media hype and falsehoods for their arguments.

However, if said person can offer an intelligent, unique perspective on why he/she considers such bands like The Who (I actually do like them, but they're nowhere near my top 100 favorites) and The Rolling Stones to be the cream of the crop, then I'll consider reading or listening to it.

In case you haven't noticed, I've haven't been spending much time here lately. I'm dismayed at the lack of comments for trailblazers like Cab Calloway, Louis Jordan, and Hank Williams Sr., while marginal acts like Green Day receive hordes of comments. Something is seriously wrong when people ignore musical/cultural heritage in favor of throwaway, flavor of the month names.

Today's generation of Millennials (I am sadly a member of this generation) tend to look to The Beatles at year zero in music, dismissing everything that came before them. Ignoring the developments and innovations in music that occurred during the first sixty or so years of the 20th century strikes me as a form of historical revisionism, which is deplorable. All you have to do is look at revisionist documentaries like Seven Ages of Rock or VH1's joke of a 100 Greatest Artists list for evidence of this disturbing trend. It only makes voices like mine that much more of a necessity.

Just out of curiosity, but what pre-British Invasion artists do you like? I haven't seen you comment on many acts whose prime years fell somewhere between the 1900s and the early 1960s, inclusive. I hope that you are knowledgeable about these eras and actually like some of the music produced during those decades.

"By the way, in part based on your rantings and ravings, I delved deeper into Gary Numan's catalogue. Thank you, I like his stuff quite a bit. Someone else, although not quite as dark, from that same era who also often gets unfairly dismissed is Thomas Dolby. I would not argue that he is Hall-worthy or anything, but on a personal level, I really like his music a lot. If you are open to it, you should check out his album 'The Flat Earth.' Absolutely outstanding. Also often unfairly dismissed is Duran Duran, who are actually superb musicians. To reasses them, I would suggest checking out their debut if you have not done so. As a fan of Numan and Roxy, I think you would be surprised by how good it is."

It pleases me to see that you are a fellow admirer of new wave. What Numan albums have you acquired? I've got The Pleasure Principle and Telekon, both of which are absolutely fantastic works. I still need to get ahold of Dance, I, Assassin, and Warriors, as well as his two albums with Tubeway Army.

I also possess a copy of Rio, which is a solid album. I agree that Duran Duran is a much better band than their detractors would have us believe. It's easy to knock Simon Le Bon and the boys for their matinee idol status, but beneath all the flashy music videos lies some very expert musicianship. I like their darker songs more than the hits, although I'm not opposed to the occasional play of Girls on Film or The Reflex. I will definitely check out their debut album as soon as I can find a copy.

I know about Thomas Dolby's producing career and his one colossal hit in the U.S., but I've not had any exposure to his other work. I'll start with The Flat Earth and then work my from there.

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 17:45pm


Zach, interesting reply, as always. While I often vehemently disagree with your assessments, you at least always do have thoughtful things to say and present reasoning behind what you say, however flawed I find your reasoning sometimes.

I appreciate your statement that many fans of classic rock staples are fans because they are lazy listeners and live their musical lives according to the Gospel of Wenner. I can assure that I am not one of those people. While I sincerely like The Beatles, I am a bigger fan of The Rolling Stones, and an even bigger fan of The Who and Kinks. At a different time I can give you my reasons, although if you are looking for a really "unique" perspective as you say, it is somewhat difficult to say something completely new about these artists, as so much has been written and said already. Doesn't mean that some of it isn't valid, though.

On the Kinks, especially, if you listen to their output from 1966 through about '70 or '71, I think Ray Davies' songwriting really speaks for itself during that period. On a personal level, I'm a big fan of their Arista label output as well ('77-about '84), but I acknowledge that it is not as worthy artistically as '66-'71. Their record 'Face To Face' (1966), for instance, is in my opinion the greatest British pop record of the 1960's, and I put it up against anything in the Beatles catalogue. What Ray Davies was able to do better than anyone else is capture a slice of British working class and middle class life in his songs. The record 'Arthur (or the Fall and Decline of the British Empire)' (1969) is just brilliant in how it depicts ordinary Britons dealing with, as the title suggests, living in a declining society that was once a great Empire and the envy of the world. Here I said I would explain later, and I can't help myself once the topic of The Kinks comes up. 'Lola vs. Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1' (1970) is a blistering account of the music biz, way before it became a cliche for artists to whine about crooked managers and the trappings of fame. What sets Davies apart is how he does it with such disarming humor, it doesn't come across as whining. Instead, it comes across as a witty comentary on a world he knows very well. And I haven't even talked about '67's 'Something Else By The Kinks' or '68's 'The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society,' where Davies ignores the psychedelia and protest songs of the era and instead paints an idylic picture of a pastoral England that had long ago disappeared. Hell, Davies was the real rebel of the period in his essentially conservative outlook amidst hippie silliness. He was simply too smart and too cynical to write about flower power and all you need is love. God Save The Kinks, as they say.

Moving on. I don't know if people really dismiss pre-Beatles music as much as they are just ignorant of it. To really delve into it, you've got to hunt it down. It is not a passive thing. You ask what I really like from pre-Brit Invasion days. Mostly, for that era, it would be jazz (although some great jazz came in the 60's as well). I love Duke Ellington, although prefer his more complex pieces from the 50's and 60's over his more celebrated 20's and 30's material. I am a big Miles Davis fan of all eras, but especially like his work with aranger Gil Evans ('Sketches of Spain' would be my favorite Davis/Evans collaboration) and 'In a Silent Way.' I also like Thelonious Monk, Dave Brubeck, Count Basie, Modern Jazz Quartet and Wes Montgomery. I am a big blues fan, so I like the usual suspects of Muddy, Wolf, Hooker, Sonny Boy Williamson, Lightnin' Hopkins, Freddie King, etc. Can't really connect with early country, but I've tried.

As far as Numan, I have 'Pleasure Principle,' as well as many individual songs that I downloaded from iTunes. 'Gary Numan & Tubeway Army: Premier Hits' I found to be a superlative compilation. "Down in the Park" is by far my favorite song of his that I've heard so far.

Dude, if anyone questions Duran Duran's musicianship, tell them to listen to John Taylor's bass playing all over the 'Rio' album. Seriously. DD's debut is seriously great. I also can't recommend Dolby's 'Flat Earth' enough. Also, are you a fan of The Cars? Speaking of New Wave, it doesn't get any better than The Cars for me.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 01.22.13 @ 23:01pm



http://www.cleveland.com/popmusic/index.ssf/2013/01/foo_fighters_dave_grohl_and_ta.html

Foo Fighters' Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins to induct Rush

Christina Aguilera and Jennifer Hudson will perform in honor of Donna Summer

Don Henley will induct Randy Newman

John Mayer and Gary Clark Jr. will perform in honor of Albert King, with John Mayer giving the induction speech

The inductors for Public Enemy, Heart, Quincy Jones and Lou Adler will be announced later.

RECAP: The Presenters

Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins for Rush
Don Henley for Randy Newman
John Mayer for Albert King

Heart - ?????
Donna Summer - ?????
Public Enemy - ?????
Lou Adler - ?????
Quincy Jones - ?????

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.23.13 @ 08:19am


http://rockhall.com/event/induction-2013/

Here is the press release from the Rock Hall

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.23.13 @ 08:23am


Elton John is off between April 6 and April 19, with a concert in Vegas on April 20, which is close to Los Angeles, where the 2013 Rock And Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony will be held on April 18. So Elton John could be giving the induction speech for Donna Summer, whom he has been pushing for, or Heart, who Elton John fans who have worked with Bernie Taupin.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.23.13 @ 08:50am



http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/dave-grohl-taylor-hawkins-to-induct-rush-into-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-20130123

UPDATE FROM ROLLINGSTONE

Dave Grohl, Taylor Hawkins to Induct Rush Into Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Don Henley will honor Randy Newman; Christina Aguilera and Jennifer Hudson will induct Donna Summer

RECAP

Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins to Induct Rush
Christina Aguilera and Jennifer Hudson to induct and perform for Donna Summer
Don Henley to induct Randy Newman
John Mayer to induct Albert King

Heart - ?????
Public Enemy - ?????
Lou Adler - ?????
Quincy Jones - ?????

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.23.13 @ 12:28pm


Looks like Chris Cornell is inducting Heart as per Heart's Facebook page.

Solid choice given the Seattle connection.

Posted by BSLO on Wednesday, 01.23.13 @ 14:26pm


Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins to Induct Rush
Christina Aguilera and Jennifer Hudson to induct Donna Summer
Don Henley to induct Randy Newman
John Mayer to induct Albert King
Chris Cornell to induct Heart
????? - Public Enemy
????? - Lou Adler
????? - Quincy Jones

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01.23.13 @ 21:42pm


http://rockhall.com/inductees/

Timelines are up now with the biographies

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01.24.13 @ 07:17am


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpnEoiXJJ6c

FUSE announces 2013 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame inductees on Youtube

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01.24.13 @ 15:01pm


http://hitparadehalloffame.com/

The 2012 Hit Parade Hall of Fame inductees announced:

Hall & Oates
Jan & Dean
The Lettermen
Gordon Lightfoot
Ronnie Milsap
The Commodores
Lionel Richie
Tommy Roe
Carlos Santana
Sly & the Family Stone
Ray Stevens
Bill Withers

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.29.13 @ 11:04am



Who will induct Quincy Jones, Lou Adler and Public Enemy?

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02.5.13 @ 09:42am


Three more and we'll know whether or not there will be any additional inductees.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02.6.13 @ 19:44pm


No additional inductees have been announced yet!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.11.13 @ 15:21pm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees

Wikipedia lists the inducted members of Rush: Lee, Peart, Lifeson, and says inducted members of Heart and Public Enemy To Be Announced.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02.13.13 @ 11:26am


The 2013 Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees will be announced today or tomorrow.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02.21.13 @ 12:14pm


http://songhall.org/news/entry/songwriters_hall_of_fame_announces_2013_inductees

THE 2013 SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME

Tony Hatch, Mick Jones & Lou Gramm, Holly Knight, JD Souther, Steven Tyler & Joe Perry to be Inducted June 13th in NYC

New York, NY – February 22, 2013 – Musical titans Tony Hatch, Mick Jones & Lou Gramm, Holly Knight, JD Souther and Steven Tyler & Joe Perry will become the latest inductees of the Songwriters Hall of Fame at the organization’s 44th Annual Induction and Awards Dinner. These legendary songwriters wrote such mega-hits as “Downtown,” “I Want To Know What Love Is,” “Love Is A Battlefield,” “Best Of My Love” and “Dude (Looks Like A Lady).” The star-studded induction event is slated for Thursday, June 13th at the Marriott Marquis Hotel in New York City. Additional special award honorees will be announced soon.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 02.22.13 @ 10:55am


Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02.23.13 @ 00:22am


Future Rock Legends has posted the inducted members of Heart, Rush and Public Enemy. Who is the source? The Rock Hall has not posted the inducted members yet on their site and neither has wikipedia.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 02.23.13 @ 08:33am


THE 2013 HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME

Backstreet Boys
The Funk Brothers
Jennifer Hudson
Jane's Addiction
Janis Joplin
New Kids On The Block
Usher
Thalia
Luther Vandross

Posted by Roy on Monday, 03.4.13 @ 10:51am


rockhall.com/inductees/

The countdown begins

Posted by Roy on Friday, 03.8.13 @ 22:30pm


They don't actually list which members of Rush, Heart and Public Enemy are being inducted yet. They usually have the inducted members of groups posted in list form at the top of each inductee bio page at the Rockhall.com.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 03.26.13 @ 13:41pm


April has arrived!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 04.1.13 @ 09:35am


My list of possible inductees for 2014:

1. Duran Duran
= art rock + great dance music + new wave + video revolutionaries (the inductions of Rush, Heart and other bands) will make this possible.

2. The Moody Blues- Since, Rush is in, it's now time for the forefathers of "prog rock" to get in.
3. Carly Simon- Rush, Heart, Randy Newman and others will make this possible
4. Nirvana- the shoo in
5. Jeff Lynne and/or E.L.O.- huge buzz about him from major
players.
6. The Doobie Brothers- they need a good rock & roll band to go in.
7. Styx- There is a huge buzz concerning them, plus since Rush & Heart are already in, Styx is probably next!
8. Deep Purple? Yes? (2015 probably, unless the induction committee chooses more bands)
9. Procol Harum?

By the way, back in June of last year, I had predicted 3 of the inductees 4 months in advance of the announcement of

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04.5.13 @ 10:12am


em, yeah, I think we can get rid of the poll on the front page now.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 04.5.13 @ 11:53am


Whoops, I had forgotten Sade.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04.5.13 @ 13:44pm


Sade?

Sure....but Janet Jackson comes way before Sade.

Posted by Marissa on Friday, 04.5.13 @ 14:39pm


Whoops, I had forgotten Sade.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04.5.13 @ 18:44pm


Given, that only 6-7 acts are inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame each year, here are my top 7 picks for induction for 2014- 2018.

2014

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Carly Simon
4. Sade
5. Doobie Brothers
6. Jeff Lynne and/or E.L.O.
7. Nirvana

2015

1. Yes
2. Deep Purple
3. Carole King
4. Chicago
5. Hall & Oates
6. The Cars
7. Styx

2016

1. Jethro Tull
2. Roxy Music
3. Chic
4. Pat Benatar
5. Stevie Nicks
6. Depeche Mode
7. Judas Priest

2017

1. Supertramp
2. Pearl Jam
3. Peter Gabriel
4. Procol Harum
5. King Crimson
6. The Cure
7. XTC

2018

1. Soundgarden
2. Iron Maiden
3. Dream Theater
4. Marillion
5. Mariah Carey
6. Kansas
7. Devo

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04.6.13 @ 13:29pm


Of course, bands such as: Foreigner, Bad Company, Boston, Twisted Sister and Blue Oyster Cult are wildcards, they could displace various bands, or if there are 8 inductees could be included.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 04.6.13 @ 13:52pm


Try this for what could happen. 2014:

-Deep Purple
-Nirvana
-N.W.A.
-The Cure
-Chic

2015:

-Green Day
-LL Cool J
-Procol Harum
-Nine Inch Nails
-Def Leppard
-The Smiths

2016:

-Bon Jovi
-Smashing Pumpkins
-Depeche Mode
-Procol Harum
-Roxy Music (good call)
-T. Rex

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 04.6.13 @ 16:15pm


This is what I think could happen between 2014 to 2024

2014

Deep Purple
Whitney Houston
Kraftwerk
Nirvana
N.W.A.

2015

The Cure
Green Day
KISS
New Order
Roxy Music

2016

Mariah Carey
Depeche Mode
Peter Gabriel
The Pixies
Frank Sinatra-Early Influence
Cat Stevens

2017

2 Pac
Bjork
Chicago
Pearl Jam
The Smiths

2018

Iron Maiden
Joy Division
Radiohead
Soundgarden
Yes

2019

Duran Duran
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Dave Matthews Band
Willie Nelson- Early Influence
Rage Against The Machine

2020

Alice In Chains
The Cars
Moodye Blues
Nine Inch Nails
Notorious BIG

2021

Def Leppard
Doobie Brothers
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
The Monkees- Lifetime Achievement
Replacements

2022

B 52's
Eminem
Electric Light Orcesthra
Emerson Lake & Palmer
Journey

2023

Bon Jovi
Dr. Dre
King Crimson
T-Rex
Stevie Ray Vaughn

2024

Cheap Trick
Coldplay
Jane's Addiction
Sonic Youth
Britney Spears

Posted by Kyle on Saturday, 04.6.13 @ 17:33pm


For 2025

Janet Jackson
George Michael
Smashing Pumpkins
White Stripes
The Zombies

Posted by Kyle on Saturday, 04.6.13 @ 17:35pm


Kyle, looking at how Whitney Houston (and Janet Jackson) have fared,it's not likely that Mariah Carey would be considered that soon after eligibility. The chart stats and sales will not inspire a nomination from the committee. And a big voice, as we know, doesn't either (see Barbra Streisand). Carey has enjoyed far less acclaim as an artist than she has as a vocalist.

Posted by JR on Saturday, 04.6.13 @ 18:25pm


And, seriously- Britney Spears? :) One of those cases where this site has an act's chances of induction too high.

Posted by JR on Saturday, 04.6.13 @ 18:26pm


I'm looking to make predictions, other than the one I did on the latest installment of Rock Hall Monitors, but a lot of those "predictions" read more like wishful thinking. The '60s artists are not going to stop completely anytime soon, and there will still be solo performers who aren't rappers getting inducted too.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 04.7.13 @ 21:02pm


Gah, meant "not looking"

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 04.7.13 @ 21:04pm


Ah Enigmaticus, I can see you still have faith in your fellow man (and the Hall).

Best of luck.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 04.8.13 @ 08:03am


http://www.rockhall.com/inductees/

The Rock Hall finally released the inducted members of the 3 bands.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 04.10.13 @ 14:16pm


They finally put a picture up of Quincy Jones on the Rock Hall site.

Inducted members of Rush, Heart and Public Enemy announced:

Rush

Inductees: Gary Lee Weinrib aka Geddy Lee (vocals, bass; born July 29, 1953), Neil Peart (drums; born September 12, 1952), Alex Zivojinovich aka Alex Lifeson (guitar; born August 27, 1953)

Heart

Inductees: Ann Wilson (vocals, guitar, flute; born June 19, 1950), Nancy Wilson (vocals, guitar, mandolin; born March 16, 1954), Roger Fisher (guitar; born February 14, 1950), Steve Fossen (bass; born November 15, 1949), Howard Leese (keyboards, synthesizer, guitar; born June 13, 1951), Michael DeRosier (drums; born August 24, 1951)

Public Enemy

Inductees: Carlton Ridenhour aka Chuck D (vocals; born August 1, 1960), William Drayton aka Flavor Flav (vocals; born March 16, 1959), Richard Griffin aka Professor Griff (minister of information; born August 1, 1960), Norman Lee Rogers aka Terminator X (DJ; born August 25, 1966)

Four members of Public Enemy inducted, but the photo on the Rock Hall site shows 6 members.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 04.10.13 @ 17:09pm


The 2013 Country Music Hall of Fame

Kenny Rogers
Bobby Bare
Cowboy Jack Clement

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 04.11.13 @ 09:50am


To 2014:

Add Foreigner

To 2015:

Add Bad Company

To 2016:

Add Boston

To 2017:

Add Thin Lizzy

To 2018:

Add Twisted Sister


Stevie Ray Vaughn is another wild card.


Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04.12.13 @ 20:17pm


Rush wants Deep Purple, Yes, King Crimson, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, The Moody Blues and Jethro Tull inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Lou Adler wants Johnny Rivers, Jan and Dean, and Cheech and Chong inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 04.15.13 @ 07:49am


Today is the day!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 04.18.13 @ 07:25am


I KNOW ITS HARD TO CHOOSE FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT MUSIC STYLES, BUT KISS, DEEP PURPLE, JUDAS PRIEST, MOTORHEAD, TO NAME A FEW. TO ME THIS IS VERY SAD TO THE ROCK-METAL WORLD.

Posted by RON on Thursday, 04.18.13 @ 08:47am


Radio.com's article about the induction process was a really good read. A post punk band is definitely showing up next year, most likely The Cure. KISS also gets somewhat of an endorsement.

With Nile Rodgers recent work with Daft Punk's return, I'll be shocked if Chic doesn't finally get inducted next year.

Posted by rockstar23 on Thursday, 04.18.13 @ 21:17pm




Order of inductions so far:

01. Randy Newman
02. Lou Adler
03. Albert King

Posted by Roy on Friday, 04.19.13 @ 00:07am


Order of inductions so far:

01. Randy Newman
02. Lou Adler
03. Albert King
04. Donna Summer

Posted by Roy on Friday, 04.19.13 @ 00:21am


Order of inductions so far:

01. Randy Newman
02. Lou Adler
03. Albert King
04. Donna Summer
05. Quincy Jones

Posted by Roy on Friday, 04.19.13 @ 00:37am


Order of inductions so far:

01. Randy Newman
02. Lou Adler
03. Albert King
04. Donna Summer
05. Quincy Jones
06. Public Enemy

Posted by Roy on Friday, 04.19.13 @ 01:19am


2013 Inductees,
Order of inductions so far:

01. Randy Newman
02. Lou Adler
03. Albert King
04. Donna Summer
05. Quincy Jones
06. Public Enemy

Posted by Roy on Friday, 04.19.13 @ 02:01am


2013 Inductees,
Order of inductions

01. Randy Newman
02. Lou Adler
03. Albert King
04. Donna Summer
05. Quincy Jones
06. Public Enemy
07. Heart
08. Rush

Posted by Roy on Friday, 04.19.13 @ 02:03am


I take it Roy doesn't think the rest of us can read or follow Twitter. The Master of the Obvious strikes again.

Posted by Paul on Friday, 04.19.13 @ 07:31am





http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2013/04/17/rush-rock-hall-of-fame.html

Rush joins Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Fans, peers have long advocated induction for Canadian rock trio

Posted by Roy on Friday, 04.19.13 @ 08:36am


http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1244739

Rush inducted into Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Posted by Roy on Friday, 04.19.13 @ 08:37am


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-induction-2013-rush-and-fans-fight-the-power-20130419#ixzz2QulVGfky

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction 2013: Rush (And Fans) Fight the Power

Canadian trio inducted along with Randy Newman, Public Enemy and Heart

Posted by Roy on Friday, 04.19.13 @ 09:13am


Hey, wait a minute! Did they show a video montage of all the artists that died in the past year?

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 04.20.13 @ 00:17am


I wonder when the 2014 nominees poll will start?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04.21.13 @ 19:57pm


I am sorry, I had meant the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame 2014 predictions, instead.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04.22.13 @ 00:36am


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/onstage-at-the-2013-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-induction-20130419

2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction
Rush, Public Enemy, Randy Newman, Heart and more perform at the Los Angeles ceremony

Posted by Roy on Monday, 04.22.13 @ 06:57am


now that the 2013 rock and roll hall hof is over, who does everyone think will be inducted for 2014? any guesses?

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 04.23.13 @ 11:15am


Yes Chris, please look at the aforementioned posts.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 04.24.13 @ 23:48pm


my guess it will be nirvana, deep purple, chic, yes, cat stevens, and possibly n.w.a

Posted by chris on Thursday, 04.25.13 @ 11:25am


my guess it will be nirvana, deep purple, chic, yes, cat stevens, and possibly n.w.a

Posted by chris on Thursday, 04.25.13 @ 11:25am


Once again, here is my list for induction in 2014:

Duran Duran
The Moody Blues
Carly Simon
Sade
E.L.O.
Doobie Brothers
Nirvana
Foreigner

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04.26.13 @ 02:02am


Once again, here is my list for induction in 2015:

Yes
Deep Purple
Carole King
Chicago
Hall & Oates
The Cars
Styx
Bad Company

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04.26.13 @ 02:19am


Enigmaticus - A lot of your picks are very good, & I agree that well over 75% of those listed should be in the Hall. However, I think you've definitely slanted the balloting so, SO far in favor of older acts, that you are forgetting that it's not Nirvana alone that's worthy of consideration.

In the 2014 class, you've also to contend w/Phish. A lot of people may deny it, but this group has a massive fan base, & has had a massive impact on the musical world. Knowing the Hall's affinity for the Grateful Dead, it wouldn't surprise me if Phish made it in on the first ballot.

If I had to vote, using your ballot, I might remove Sade, & toss the nod to Phish.

In the 2015 class, you've left out two names. One is Green Day. Whether you like them or can't stand them, they're going in, & they're going in on the first ballot. They're huge, they've got the track record, & most of all, they'll bring the young viewers that none of the acts you've listed will.

The other is Garth Brooks. I know what you might be thinking. I don't mind admitting that I think it's a long shot, but Brooks was the Biggest thing in music in the 90's, at least from a commercial point. If you're second to the Beatles in album sales, All-Time, it means that a whole lot of people listened to your music. This also means a fair sized audience for the induction ceremony.

I'll say that you're 2015 list is really solid, & I have no clue who I'd take out. Personally, I never cared for everything Styx did, so I'd probably remove them, but I can also see where a lot of folks would complain. I have no clue about who else to remove, but I will say that Green Day & Garth Brooks would definitely be present on my ballot.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 04.26.13 @ 06:14am


As a matter of fact, now that I look at your ballot, I see how I, personally, would fit everyone in.

If I had to use You're particular ballot(s), I'd remove the Moody Blues from 2014 (like Styx, never cared for everything they did), & I'd move Deep Purple up to 2014.

If I was in charge of your ballot, it would look like this:

2014:

Duran Duran
Deep Purple
Carly Simon
Phish
E.L.O.
Doobie Brothers
Nirvana
Foreigner

2015

Yes
Green Day
Carole King
Chicago
Hall & Oates
The Cars
Garth Brooks
Bad Company

Of course, this raises the question of just why I'm in charge of your ballot when I presumably have one of my own. Actually, this is an excellent example of what happens when you wake up on a Friday morning, intent on going on a power trip, but you're just too tired & lazy to do something about it... :)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 04.26.13 @ 06:24am


Cheesecrop, that is an interesting choice of inductees also. I chose Sade because she fits the bill for jazz, R & B and overall excellence. I have chosen The Moody Blues, because Rush had personally endorsed them, plus The Moody Blues have an immense fan base also. Whoever Rush endorses, will be chosen by their absolutely massive fan base. Phish is another Wild Card and although, I personally don't dislike them, I had not even thought about them going in until a little later. I do not dislike Green Day either, but no rule says that only 8 acts have to be inducted in a single year. 2013 was the year of inducting icons. My actual preferences would be different, but I am glad that you realize that Duran Duran will be the big contender. I do not see Duran Duran as just a new wave act, but as an art rock act. In fact, they have filled the niche that Roxy Music had vacated and had propelled it
forward.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04.26.13 @ 09:34am


However, if I were in charge of the Rock Hall, my choices would be slightly different:
2014:

Duran Duran
The Moody Blues
Carly Simon
Sade
E. L. O.
Jethro Tull
Yes (Jon Anderson, Chris Squire, Steve Howe, Rick Wakeman, Alan White, Bill Bruford, Tony Kaye, the late Peter
Banks,Geoff Downes, Trevor Horn and Trevor Rabin)
Peter Gabriel
Stevie Nicks
Twisted Sister (for the entertainment value alone)
Styx

As you can see, it would heavily favor prog


Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04.26.13 @ 09:51am


For an even dozen acts, I would have chosen Boston, also.

2015:

Roxy Music
Phish
Garth Brooks
Green Day
King Crimson (Robert Fripp, Bill Bruford, Greg Lake, Adrian Belew, Tony Levin, Ian MacDonald, Michael Giles, John Wetton, David Cross, Peter Sinfield)
Soundgarden
Gentle Giant
Carole King
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Deep Purple
Kansas
Dream Theater
Doobie Brothers
The Cars
XTC
Chicago

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04.26.13 @ 10:02am


Oops, I had forgotten Procol Harum. But their induction would be even more nebulous.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04.26.13 @ 10:15am


Please remove Dream Theater from 2015, move them to 2016 and place Supertramp in their stead. thusly, Thank you.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 04.26.13 @ 10:59am


Here are my nominations for the next few years:

2014:
Nirvana
Deep Purple
Jane's Addiction
Iggy Pop
De La Soul
The Moody Blues
Fugazi
Electric Light Orchestra
Duke Ellington

2015:
Green Day
Massive Attack
Cab Calloway
The Cars
The Bangles
Billy Idol
UFO
Steppenwolf
Huey Lewis & The News

2016:
Nine Inch Nails
Hole
Yes
Ozzy Osbourne
Johnny Burnette & The Rock N' Roll Trio
Rainbow
Roxy Music
Journey
Ravi Shankar

Posted by Andrew on Friday, 04.26.13 @ 12:04pm


Andrew, I do not know if you were already aware that Iggy Pop and The Stooges had been inducted into the RRHOF back in 2010.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04.28.13 @ 12:05pm


Andrew, I do not know if you were already aware that Iggy Pop and The Stooges had been inducted into the RRHOF back in 2010.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 04.28.13 @ 12:06pm


I am very much aware that The Stooges were inducted back in 2010. I'll make a change to my list.

Here are my nominations for the next few years:

2014:
Nirvana
Deep Purple
Jane's Addiction
Chic
De La Soul
The Moody Blues
Fugazi
Electric Light Orchestra
Duke Ellington

2015:
Green Day
Massive Attack
Cab Calloway
The Cars
The Bangles
Billy Idol
UFO
Steppenwolf
Huey Lewis & The News

2016:
Nine Inch Nails
Hole
Yes
Ozzy Osbourne
Johnny Burnette & The Rock N' Roll Trio
Rainbow
Roxy Music
Journey
Ravi Shankar

By the way, Enigmaticus, who are some of the artists you would like to be nominated for the next few years?

Posted by Andrew on Sunday, 04.28.13 @ 17:08pm


Are you the same guy who posted a comment over at Rock Hall Revisited/Projected Rankings with your Top 301, if so, how come no ELO, Electric Light Orchestra?!

Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 04.28.13 @ 17:53pm


Yes, Rick Vendi II. That was me, but not to worry, I put Electric Light Orchestra on my top 301 list.

Posted by Andrew on Sunday, 04.28.13 @ 19:41pm


My personal list would be different than the Rock Hall's choices.

However, these are the 8 acts who are likely to get inducted in 2014:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Carly Simon
4. Sade
5. Electric Light Orchestra
6. Doobie Brothers
7. Foreigner
8. Nirvana

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04.29.13 @ 00:56am


Enigmaticus - Nirvana will be the only act on your list that is inducted next year.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 04.29.13 @ 03:46am


Gassman,

Sorry, but I strongly respectfully diagree. I had said that Rush would be nominated and inducted after I had turned 50; Duran Duran will be inducted after I turn 52. The way that I see it, the members of Rush holds three virtual keys to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, they hold the keys to the following genres: progressive rock, art rock & singer/songwriters. One might also say that they hold the keys to the hard rock/metal bands. But since Rush has never really fit in that category, i doubt that this is the case. Would you agree that whoever Rush endorses will be supported by their imassive fan base, in addition to the fan bases of those particular bands.

Why, do you think will get in? Notice that I did not say feel.
Are you on the negotiating committee and is it your aim to try to prove me wrong, perhaps?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04.29.13 @ 09:37am


Gassman,

Sorry, but I strongly respectfully diagree. I had said that Rush would be nominated and inducted after I had turned 50; Duran Duran will be inducted after I turn 52. The way that I see it, the members of Rush holds three virtual keys to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, they hold the keys to the following genres: progressive rock, art rock & singer/songwriters. One might also say that they hold the keys to the hard rock/metal bands. But since Rush has never really fit in that category, i doubt that this is the case. Would you agree that whoever Rush endorses will be supported by their imassive fan base, in addition to the fan bases of those particular bands?

Why, who do you think will get in? Notice that I did not say feel. By the way, are you on the negotiating committee and is it your aim to try to prove me wrong, perhaps?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04.29.13 @ 09:43am


I am sorry, I had meant that I strongly respectfully disagree.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04.29.13 @ 09:50am


Gassman,

Can you say with absolute certainty that I am not correct? Were you surprised that Rush was inducted this year? I am sorry, but I had meant to say that Rush's massive fan base will support those acts whom the members of Rush have personally endorsed.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04.30.13 @ 00:39am


It's a travesty that Rush and Randy Newman were voted in. Neither of them have contributed anything of significance to music. Newman is an annoying hack. How such an inspirational & innovative band like Deep Purple still is not in is just beyond me. Rush just plain sucks. There's no other way to say it. So many people complain about how they don't get any respect, but do they really deserve it? What have they done? What have they contributed? Sure, Neil Peart is talented, but that's pretty much all they have going for them. On the other hand, I'm glad to see Heart, Albert King, & Public Enemy get in.

Posted by nate on Tuesday, 12.11.12 @ 18:49pm

When I had read this comment by nate; it had me absolutely furious. There are unfortunately individuals who will not, even after the fact, appreciate iconic bands. Rush fans had to fight this kind of criticism by the rock press for decades. But they were not alone. Fans of other groups have been maligned by the rock press as well. It's unfortunate that, even in the early part of the 21st century, we can't seem to agree on who is great. Different opinions abound. I am quite capable of elucidating my reasons for supporting Rush's induction for the past 16 years, but now that they have finally been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, I feel that others deserve the honor as well. I will make no apologies for being an avid supporter of those still maligned progressive rock and art rock artists, which include: The Moody Blues, Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Duran Duran, Roxy Music, amongst others.
press as well.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05.5.13 @ 21:42pm


When I first showed up here, lo' those many yrs. ago, I was looking for some solid conversation. I wasn't really thinking about the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame that much. I only had a passing interest in it, & I still thought everyone voting had a clue as to what was up. Methinks I was wrong there. I've never really done this, but the talk from the past two wks. made me think about who might get in over the next three yrs. I figure I'll lay out one potential outline of which way things might go.

I think most everybody here knows where I stand on next yr. W/Nirvana as the gimme pick, I've always said that I believe they'll try & fashion the show around the act, to a degree. I've stated that I believe Sonic Youth & the Pixies have a great shot next yr., precisely because of this. I've also mentioned that this would be a great way to bring the Monkees in, w/out having the "why so long?" question be raised. Beyond this, I'd bring in Deep Purple (to cover the hard 70's contingent), Roxy Music (to signal a further thaw in prog/art) & Phish (who I think get the push due to their fanbase/Dead-styled connections). I'd also love to see LL Cool J go in, as he seems to have been left out of the hip-hop picture here.

My 2014 Ceremony:

Deep Purple / LL Cool J
Nirvana / Phish
Roxy Music / Sonic Youth
The Monkees / The Pixies


For 2015, the gimme pick is Green Day, & anybody thinking otherwise should never be allowed to come near this site again, regardless of what you think of the group. I also mentioned Garth Brooks recently, who I think has an outside surprise chance (stranger things have happened). Chicago's big push may not be forgotten here, either. Beyond this, I see the consolidation of Prog (the Moody Blues) & 90's grunge/hard/alt (Soundgarden) hitting home. Last but not least, I see an eventual vote for Whitney Houston, the 70's act War, & Bon Jovi.

My 2015 Ceremony:

Bon Jovi / Garth Brooks
Chicago / Green Day
W. Houston / Soundgarden
The Moody Blues / War


I see a much more modern take coming on 2016. You're going to have Alice in Chains & the Smashing Pumpkins in the mix, both of whom I see getting in rather easily. You also have Blur, who helped lead the Britpop wave. I believe the opening/connection will be used here on Duran Duran, as a linking effect. In addition, I see a belated recognition for both the Stone Roses & T-Rex here as well. Mariah Carey is up this yr., & this would be the clear commercial/pop choice for induction. Another group that might have an outside chance is A Tribe Called Quest, who unleashed some truly novel hip-hop at a time the music was becoming quite formulaic.

My 2016 ceremony:

Alice in Chains / A Tribe Called Quest
Blur / Mariah Carey
Duran Duran / T-Rex
The Smashing Pumpkins / The Stone Roses

I believe the Rock Hall is confounded over how to induct all the older acts w/out dealing w/the "why so late?" question. Nirvana will be given 2014, & in the process will also open the official recognition of 90's Rock. 2015 Will bounce back for a bit. The Hall does not want W. Houston/Bon Jovi overshadowed by the Alt Wave, & as such I think they'll set aside 2015for them to share w/Green Day. 2016 will open up the acknowledgement of the Brit scene both old & new, which is long overdue.

That's the way I'd do it.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 05.6.13 @ 06:41am


Those are certainly interesting choices, Cheesecrop. I am still standing behind my inductee lists for 2014 & 2015, however. Of course, popularity has a tendency to override influence occasionally. However, it would be a huge travesty if The Moody Blues had to wait an additional year. In 2014, only two remaining members of The Moody Blues will not be over age 70: Justin Hayward & John Lodge. Since, The Moody Blues had influenced Rush and perhaps quite a few other bands, they definitely deserve to be inducted first. If I had my choice, I would also induct Procol Harum along with The Moody Blues, but that might be too much prog for the hall to accept all at once. I agree that Roxy Music should get in also, but their work is not as familiar overall, as their disciples, Duran Duran. As of late, Duran Duran has been experiencing a renaissance of sorts, plus Classic Albums had chosen to profile, "Rio." Is there a classic rock artist whom Classic Albums has profiled that is not in, or on their way to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Neil Peart said in "Beyond The Lighted Stage" that "We were young enough to be influenced by the British new wave bands." Who do you think that he was referring to? In another interview, Fashionwise, Geddy Lee said that Alex Lifeson wanted to dress like Simon LeBon. Duran Duran's very clever, 'Girl Panic' video is another work of art. Duran Duran is also becoming more progressive, the inclusion of string sections to support their songs has become more evident as of late. Rush has incorporated string sections to support their songs since the mid 1980's and their brilliant albums, "Power Windows" and "Clockwork Angels" attest to that fact. Duran Duran had made state of the art videos to support their songs, their music is arty, but danceable and they have endured for over 30 years. I do agree that Roxy Music and Brian Eno deserve to get in, because "Avalon" is arguably Roxy Music's best work, but Duran Duran started where Roxy Music peaked and then simply became better and better. Carly Simon is long overdue for induction, 'You're So Vain' and 'Anticipation' are just a few of her self penned songs which have become classics. Can you name less than one brilliant album by Sade? The Electric Light Orchestra married rock & roll to classical instrumentation, plus their founder Jeff Lynne has been quite active lately. The Doobie Brothers have written many classic tunes which are still in constant rotation on the radio. The same thing is true of Foreigner, plus Mick Jones and Lou Gramm were recently inducted into the Songwriter's Hall Of Fame.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05.6.13 @ 09:45am


This is a very interesting discussion, though I feel that personal taste might be coming in the way of objectiveness.

If you assume that the Hall inducts 6 members again next year, here is my take on things:

1) Nirvana - 100% lock. Enough said.

2) N.W.A. - The hall is all over acknowledging rap, and has shown through the induction of Public Enemy last year that they won't shy away from controversial artists if they are important. LL Cool J, Eric B & Rakim and Afrika Bambaataa are other possibilities, but N.W.A. is by far the most important of the 4.

3) Chic - They've been nominated more times than any artist not yet inducted. They often got cancelled out by Donna Summer, who has now been inducted. I think this is their year with this being a light year for new candidates.

4) Carly Simon - While we're talking about patterns, the Hall has tended to induct a singer-songwriter every year for the past few classes. They also tend to acknowledge at least one female artist per year. This kills 2 birds with 1 stone. I wouldn't be surprised if this spot went to Gram Parsons, Cat Stevens or Warren Zevon.

5) Electric Light Orchestra - Call it a hunch, but the Hall seems to be changing its tune on Prog-rock. While they still have a lot of work to do, they have started to acknowledge prog-rock bands that have demonstrated crossover appeal like Genesis and Rush. ELO seems like another band that fits this mold. They started off as more of a prog band, but eventually started to lean more toward a poppier sound, and ended up having a solid degree of mainstream success. Jeff Lynne is also well respected in the industry, so I think their induction is coming soon. I could see Procol Harum here since they nominated last year as well, or possibly The Moody Blues. I don't think Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull or ELP are possibilities yet.

6) Johnny Burnette & the Rock and Roll Trio - Little Steven has always had a large influence within the nominating committee, and this is one of the four bands he said he's going to push for this year. Given that the hall seems to usually induct an overlooked pre-British Invasion artist every year, I think they are a reasonable possibility.

Other thoughts:

Late 80's/90's era alt-bands: Like rap, I think that the Hall is going to be slow to move toward inducting the non-1st ballot, deserving alt-bands of this era. I love Soundgarden, but if the Hall didn't look at them last year, I think they are probably at least 4-5 years away from induction. In my opinion, I think they will look to induct Green Day, The Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam and possibly Radiohead before they consider bands like Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc.

When it comes to bands like The Pixies and Sonic Youth, I'm also very pessimistic about their chances in the near future. Neither band was huge commercially, and the Hall has shown no signs aside from nominating Kraftwerk a couple of times that they are ready to start inducting influential alternative artists. I think it's more likely that Kraftwerk gets inducted soon, and that bands like Roxy Music and The Cure follow shortly after.

Deep Purple: I think they have a decent shot at induction this year now that they have been nominated. However, I also thought the same about KISS and Bon Jovi, and neither band has been nominated more than once at this point.

New Wave: I have to admit that I'm surprised that the hall has been so slow to induct some of the giant new wave bands from the early 80's. I think that when they get around to looking at this genre again, they will look at The Cars first, with Duran Duran having a strong chance of being looked at second.

Female Solo Artists: Following Donna Summer's induction, I believe that Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston will be looked at next. Nothing against Sade, but she does not have the pedigree of Janet or Whitney.

The Doobie Brothers: One of those bands that will eventually get in as soon as they are nominated because they are a very safe pick that no one will be arguing against. They could probably get inducted any year now.

Foreigner: I am not ashamed to say that I am a big Foreigner fan, and I prefer their music to Journey's. That said, I don't think Foreigner is close to getting inducted. Heart's induction certainly moves them up the arena rock ladder, but in my opinion, they would be a hard sell over bands like KISS and Bon Jovi who have enormous fanbases and could be a headliners of an induction class.

Posted by BSLO on Monday, 05.6.13 @ 16:13pm


Enigma/BS - I see where you gents are coming from.

My point was that the Hall has to be well aware that they've missed a lot of artists that people are yelling about. I'm thinking they want to place a few of them in, but don't know how to do it w/out a potentially embarrassing situation playing out on stage (the "how come it took so long to elect us" question).

At the same time, the Hall has to remain hip (or as hip as they can imagine) to the most recently eligible acts, or they run the risk of losing interest in future paying customers. It's the reason why I suggest the patterns that I do. If you bombard it w/old acts & only old acts, you lose any relevance amongst younger fans who will most likely never see the acts.

My logic on 2014 was that they would try to find a link to Nirvana, & kill the proverbial two birds w/one stone. Hence, SY, the Pixies, the Monkees (who members of Nirvana did mention were faves), etc. Make a connection, & you can start cutting down on the lack of post-punk, + bring in the standard 60's act.

As for rap, I'll say this: I chose LL because nwa were, (admittedly in my opinion) one of the worst acts ever. They helped take rap & send it to the gutter. To me, there's two paths you can take. The first is a more artistic path, where LL & those like A Tribe Called Quest, Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy, Arrested Development, PM Dawn, etc., followed.

The other is to go w/the junk (nwa, dr. dre, a few others I won't name, on & on). Rather than promote anything halfway decent, they wrecked what artistry there was & promoted the "gangsta" lifestyle. I'll admit I left out certain acts on purpose, cause from 92-96 or so, the majority of hip-hop meant absolutely nothing to me.

Some others I honestly forgot (you know - out of sight, out of mind, per' se). I completely forgot Janet Jackson, & in retrospect I'd probably want her in before Carey (though not Houston). I also completely forgot Chic. As I stated many times prior, I think the Hall has been trying to avoid 80's New Wave & Metal, & even the late 70's commercial acts, until it can reach something it wants to induct. If you'll recall, Wenner wanted to move up the nomination time to 20 yrs., so they could have more control over who got in. While I agree that the Prog acts are overdue, I think they might start to struggle in a yr. or two, though.

The Hall's comfort zone mirrors Rolling Stones's comfort zone, & for whatever reason, RS's comfort zone clearly includes the 90's. I was at the library two wks. ago & saw a book that RS did on the 90's. They claimed that it was the most vital music decade since the 60's. Whether you buy this or not, it does indicate that the Hall might go in that direction. It's the reason I believe they will do just this. If you induct Soundgarden in 2015, & Alice in 16, you line up Seattle for 4 straight yrs. in a row (Nirvana, SG, AIC, & PJ).

There's suddenly so, so much more that I wish to talk about here, regarding older act & new ones (perhaps cause I've never really done this) but I don't want to write a book length manuscript here. I'll continue in another post, if you don't mind.

btw - if you were to take our names, play around w/them, & place them in the correct order, you could spell out:

Cheesey-Enigmatic-BS...

I put this in here to keep us all humble... :)

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 05.7.13 @ 05:33am


Cheesecrop, excellent analysis on the main. I do think it will be a cold day in Hell when The Monkees are inducted.

I don't think the Hall considers them to be a 'real' band.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 05.7.13 @ 08:14am


Duran Duran is still my top pick for induction in 2014, they have met the criteria for induction many times over. Roger Taylor has said that Duran Duran is a rock band with synthesizers, not a synth pop band. Elsewhere, they have been described as an "art rock" band. "Art rock" is a branch of "progressive rock." As of late, Duran Duran's work has been outstanding. "All You Need Is Now" and "Astronaut" are masterpieces, plus the support of a string section on various songs puts them entirely within the realm of prog. The way that I see it, Duran Duran kills 3 birds with one stone- they are an eighties band, they started after punk rock, and they are a "prog rock" band. Duran Duran's musicians know how to play their instruments, write catchy songs and create arty videos. Their video of 'Girl Panic' is absolutely brilliant. 'Before The Rain' and 'The Man Who Stole A Leopard' are two of their best songs. Duran Duran are also fairly consistently excellent songwriters, plus Simon Le Bon has a great voice. There are many reasons why Duran Duran deserve induction. Of course , many of them are eluciated in the 'Girl Panic' video.

The Moody Blues are long overdue for induction. They had started out as a British invasion band, but their true genius lies in their merging of classical music and rock. They are the "godfathers" of progressive rock. They have also written many great songs throughout their career. Such songs as 'Nights In White Satin' and 'Tuesday Afternoon' are considered to be timeless, classic songs. But they are just the tip of the iceberg, when it comes to their greatness. Even so, their best works are still their albums. It would take me several pages to analyze each one of them in great detail, but they have spawned thousand of imitators and several of those bands are already in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. The way that I see it, their long overdue induction would kill 2 birds with one stone- they are a sixties act and a "prog act."

That's it for now, I will go into depth on the remaining 5 acts at a later time. I know that Nirvana is a shoo in, so I will not elaborate on them.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05.7.13 @ 09:52am


Enigmaticus, having Duran Duran characterized as 'prog rock' does not improve their chances.

Duran Duran is a pop band, IMO. A great pop band & there are many 'pop' bands in the HOF. Not so many 'prog rock' bands.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 05.7.13 @ 11:05am


As far as Duran Duran goes, I'm a big fan of theirs. They're one of the first bands that I really got into in the early 80s. I'm definitely supportive of an induction for them.

Realistically though, while they had some solid pop success, they come from the Post-punk/New Wave branch of the tree and will be competing for ballot real estate against important influences like Roxy Music, Kraftwerk and Chic and far more critically beloved contemporaries and immediate predecessors like Joy Division, New Order, the Cure, Depeche Mode and Siouxsie & the Banshees (I expect the latter to be treated with far more due respect by Cleveland than Revisited/Projected).

I predict (and I hope I'm wrong) that D2 will end up more like Rush, a deserving band with a passionate fan base that gets overlooked for quite a long time for lack of critical respect (I mean, the critics really, really hated them).

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 05.7.13 @ 12:02pm


Hold up. Duran Duran is now progressive rock? No.

Nirvana is a lock. Period.

Sade? Very nice ad smooth music. Whitney Houston? She didn't write a single lyric.

Janet Jackson needs to be in the conversations. It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

Posted by Marissa on Tuesday, 05.7.13 @ 15:28pm


"I was at the library two wks. ago & saw a book that RS did on the 90's. They claimed that it was the most vital music decade since the 60's"

Further evidence that anything Rolling Stone publishes isn't worth the ink or paper it's printed on.

IMHO, the 1950s are #1 for rock 'n roll and for music in general.

Here's how I would rank the decades (just from the 20th century onwards) in terms of greatness:

1) 1950s
2) 1930s
3) 1970s
4) 1940s
5) 1980s
6) 1920s
7) 1960s
8) 1910s
9) 1900s
10) 1990s

The previous decade was so putrid, it doesn't even deserve a ranking. The current decade is shaping up to be an equally pitiful one as well, although I'm optimistic that a cataclysmic event will occur and make music great again. If only JD McPherson were the most popular and acclaimed artist today, I'd be much happier about the direction of music.

And that's why I always say...

GIVE ME MORE OF THE PAST SO THAT I CAN ENJOY THE PRESENT!

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 05.7.13 @ 18:30pm


I was at the library two wks. ago & saw a book that RS did on the 90's. They claimed that it was the most vital music decade since the 60's"

Further evidence that anything Rolling Stone publishes isn't worth the ink or paper it's printed on.

IMHO, the 1950s are #1 for rock 'n roll and for music in general.

etc., etc., onward.

Posted by Zach on Tuesday, 05.7.13 @ 18:30pm
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Next time, please read the posts & get a gist of what the conversation is about. What you wrote about had nothing whatsoever to do w/what we were discussing here.

Thank you.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 05.10.13 @ 05:31am


Enigmaticus/BSLO -

I couldn't follow-up on what we were talking about on Wednesday (sorry), but I had a further chance to read your words.

Enigma - While I'm not the biggest fan of the Moody Blues, I'd have to acknowledge they have one heck of a case for the Hall. In addition, I can see where you'd want to move them up as fast as possible. I never attempted to alter you're viewpoint regarding when artists should get in. Rather, my own viewpoint was based on trying to blend the older acts w/what I believe is the best modern perspective. At the same time, even I have to admit I might re-think placing the Moody's in 2015, especially if I were inducting both the Pixies & Sonic Youth alongside Nirvana. I might re-arrange the order a bit, & flip-flop the Pixies & the Moody's (I believe the Hall would want SY in w/Nirvana, as they were the group that hipped Geffen to the possibilities here, & industry clout has a way of seeping into these ceremonies).

BSLO - I fully recognize the power of Little Steven on the Hall. I can see his argument w/the Rock & Roll Trio, as it has legitimate merit. You probably will be right about the Rock & Roll Trio, & I know I'd support them (the Hall could do a lot worse - ha-ha!)
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Generally speaking:

At the same time, I think his bowing & scraping at the thrones of the past could end up doing even more damage down the line.

Consider that the Hall expanded it's inductees this yr. from five to six. While there's no set # for induction, the backlog that has been caused by the Committee's voting patterns necessitates a greater action.

Think about our own Revisited/Projected Hall. As a collective here, we had to expand out to seven inductions per yr., & we still had complaining, on & off, throughout. Technically, the Rock Hall would have to expand out to seven votes to accommodate the backlog, as we did. Even then, they'd still be in trouble, as they're starting w/a graying group to begin with.

Now imagine what would happen if Little Steven kept swiping one of those precious induction spots to constantly push for a 50's/60's act? While there are still a few worthy choices from this era, it's definitely time to bring it to a close. If he keeps going like this, he'll just be wasting spots after a while, while artists of the 70's & 80's keep getting shafted.

At some point, the backlog would run into the 90's & the 00's. If they push the backlog any further, they risk having a disconnect w/any & all modern audiences. You lose the modern audience, you lose the revenue. Lose the revenue, & the whole enterprise ends up disappearing. It would be the irony of all ironies to see the Hall upended by the committee's own voting patterns.

Someone's going to have to be left out of the mix. You can't afford to shaft the younger audience, for obvious reasons, so it's going to be someone older. Just who remains to be seen...

What do you think?

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 05.10.13 @ 06:18am


BTW - Paul in KY - caught your comments. Didn't mean to leave you out of what I wrote here, Jump in, if you'd like.

The reason I separated my comments was to open up the General part for Anyone who wanted to weigh in on the Little Steven element in the Hall.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 05.10.13 @ 06:23am


Cheesecrop, thanks for the shout out. Will say that one man's opinion (Little Steven or anyone this side of Jan Wenner), probably can't do much to sway the Hall voters (IMO).

As for my Monkees comment, I think many members of the Hall see the way they were formed & the advantages they had (which the voters, by and large, didn't have) and wonder why thery weren't bigger, etc.

Also, The Monkees did attempt to rock on after their series was cancelled & that didn't last very long. So, I think The Monkees may be one of those older acts that gets passed over in favor of deserving acts from post-1990.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 05.10.13 @ 07:40am


Yes Cheesecrop, The Moody Blues definitely deserve induction in 2014. Their legacy is immense; their songwriting expertise is stupendous and their influence upon other acts is
Incalculable. IMHO, the "prog rock" glass ceiling is now a thing of the past. Rush's induction had essentilally shattered it. Now, we know that the members of Rush are going to endorse their fellow "prog rock" brethren. But Rush is not just a "progressive rock" band, they are also impeccable songwriters. They are also an "art rock" band. Their incorporation of synthesizers into their sound also opens up the possibilities of various "art rock" bands being inducted.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05.10.13 @ 09:58am


Enigmaticus, Rush is one band, comprised of 3 people, whom the Hall thought so much of that they kept them out for about 20 years after they should have been inducted.

Please explain how they are going to get all the deserving 'prog rock' bands in.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 05.10.13 @ 12:21pm


Even if we don't count Pink Floyd, I would say that Genesis shattered the Prog glass ceiling with their induction in 2010.

Ultimately we're not going to see a Prog band a year inducted. Even many subgenres that were more important and influential don't get that (with the exception of Rap/Hip hop, which is the most popular and influential style of rock music on the planet for the past 30 years).

When you look at all of the important acts waiting to be inducted, as well as eras and subgenres waiting to be more thoroughly represented, the current pace of a Prog band every three years doesn't seem at all unreasonable.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 05.10.13 @ 13:27pm


I should amend that a bit. If they wanted to get some of the earlier, more important and groundbreaking bands like Moody Blues, King Crimson or Procol Harum in at a quicker pace, I wouldn't have a problem with that, but if we're talking about bands like Yes, Jethro Tull or ELP, yeah, they can wait in line for their turn with everybody else.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 05.10.13 @ 13:45pm


DarinRG - Was going to bring up Jethro Tull, but I was afraid I might get stormed by that violent headbanging Grammy contingent that they picked up in the late 80's. Of course, as we all know, there can never really be any Justice for All until Tull makes it in...

Enigma - Not quite sure that the whole Prog wall has come down, though it's nice to imagine that it has. I think everyone who we know should be in, will get in, over time. However, the process may be a little more gradual than a massive sweeping of acts into the Hall. In other words, don't look for a Yes/ELP/Crimson/Moody's/Procol ballot for 2014...

of course, if they did do this, the show might take up the whole year in question ;)

Paul in KY - Interesting you should bring up the idea of advantages, & who had them, in relation to the Monkees. It would be interesting to take a voter aside & ask them just what it was that Madonna had that was closer to the voter's, & not the Monkees. She had the MTV advantage that none of the 50's/60's acts had, while being as pre-fab as the Monkees...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 05.10.13 @ 18:59pm


Paul, while It's true that Rush consists of only 3 people, their fan base is immense and in many cases, quite influential. Whoever Rush endorses will be voted for by their massive fan base, both inside and outside of the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame. There are several reasons to believe that The Moody Blues and Duran Duran will get nominated.

Duran Duran has recently been quite active and their most recent album, "All You Need Is Now," is a masterpiece. Duran Duran is not afraid to stretch the envelope and be experimental, incorporate new styles into their songwriting and they have recently won a fan vote, amongst snubbed bands, in a Bay area opinion poll. Plus, they were pioneers in creating arty music videos.

The Moody Blues are about to release a 17 disc retrospective of their work. Also, they have an immense fan base and are relatively easy to induct.

These decisions are primarily based upon economics. Who is going to put on the best show? Who will bring in the most
fans? Rush was the headliner this year, amongst major icons. Was this arbitrarily done, or was it planned?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 03:25am


DarinRG, I must respectfully disagree with your opinion about Genesis shattering the prog glass ceiling. If they had, then both Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins would have already been inducted for their solo careers. It is widely believed that Genesis' induction was not just about prog, but Genesis' latter day widespread "pop" appeal.

Rush, on the other hand, had waited for only 15 years to be nominated. Once they had been nominated, their peers had immediately inducted them. Rush has the distinction of having the greatest number of consecutive gold and platinum albums after The Beatles and The Rolling Stones, despite having limited radio airplay. If Rush had only sold 44,000,000 albums worldwide, they would not have been mentioned in the same conversation as those other two iconic bands. I am certain that their actual total sales number is several times that. For example, I am but one individual who has purchased multiple copies of "Exit.. Stage Left" (10) over the past 31 years
alone. There are millions of Rush fans worldwide. Most Rush
fans have almost every album in their collection. So, if on the average, there are 4 million Rush fans worldwide, then at an absolute minimum, Rush would have sold at least 112,000,000 albums, not including compilations.

By contrast, Pink Floyd had only waited 4 years to be inducted, but "Dark Side Of The Moon" had stayed on the U.S. Charts for over 13 consecutive years. One cannot argue about the importance of DSOTM to both prog and rock music,
overall. Then, of course, "The Wall" had also been massively
successful. Both are iconic albums, of course.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 04:06am


Which choice best describes Duran Duran:

A) a vacuous, assembly line "pop" band?
B) a "New Romantic" band with staying power?
C) an innovative, experimental rock band, whose roots are in the "art rock" styles of Roxy Music, David Bowie and The Velvet Underground and the dance rhythms of Chic and the synthesizer pioneers, Kraftwerk.
D) an innovative experimental "art rock" band, who has been influenced by Roxy Music, David Bowie,Talking Heads, Kraftwerk, Velvet Underground, Chic, King Crimson and Pink Floyd, whose musical styles vary from "symphonic progressive rock" to funk, are pioneers in the use of arty music videos, clever and meaningful lyrics and complex
rhythms into well crafted songs, which are immediately danceable?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 05:02am


In your opinion,

Which choice best describes Duran Duran:

A) a vacuous, assembly line "pop" band?
B) a "New Romantic" band with staying power?
C) an innovative, experimental rock band, whose roots are in the "art rock" styles of Roxy Music, David Bowie and The Velvet Underground and the dance rhythms of Chic and the synthesizer pioneers, Kraftwerk.
D) an innovative experimental "art rock" band, who has been influenced by Roxy Music, David Bowie,Talking Heads, Kraftwerk, Velvet Underground, Chic, King Crimson and Pink Floyd, whose musical styles vary from "symphonic progressive rock" to funk, are pioneers in the use of arty music videos, clever and meaningful lyrics and complex
rhythms which are integrated into well crafted songs. Their distinction lies in not only the expression of the artistic ideas behind each song, but the creation of great songs which are timeless, yet imminently danceable?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 05:02am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 05:11am


In your opinion,

Which choice best describes Duran Duran:

A) a vacuous, assembly line "pop" band?
B) a "New Romantic" band with staying power?
C) an innovative, experimental rock band, whose roots are in the "art rock" styles of Roxy Music, David Bowie and The Velvet Underground and the dance rhythms of Chic and the synthesizer pioneers, Kraftwerk.
D) an innovative experimental "art rock" band, who has been influenced by Roxy Music, David Bowie,Talking Heads, Kraftwerk, Velvet Underground, Chic, King Crimson and Pink Floyd, whose musical styles vary from "symphonic progressive rock" to funk, are pioneers in the use of arty music videos, clever and meaningful lyrics and complex
rhythms which are integrated into well crafted songs. Their distinction lies in not only the expression of the artistic ideas behind each song, but the creation of a multitude of great songs which have remained timeless, yet also immanently danceable?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 05:02am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 11:06am


In your opinion,

Which choice best describes Rush:

A) a simplistic "heavy metal" group?

B) An enduring "progressive metal" band with a whiny voiced vocalist?

C) An engaging heavy "progressive rock" band, whose roots lie in the "hard rock" bands of the mid to late 1960's and the early "progressive rock" stylings of King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull and Emerson, Lake & Palmer?

D) An innovative major "art rock," symphonic and eclectic "progressive rock" band, whose influences have included: The Beatles, The Moody Blues, Procol Harum, King Crimson, Jefferson Airplane, Cream, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull and Gentle Giant, in addition to The Police, Talking Heads and other "art rock" bands, whose primary incarnation has been as a "power trio?" The unique thing about Rush, lies in their incorporation of folk rock, classical guitar and string sections to support their vision, they are also impeccable songwriters and experimental musicians whose talent lies in often composing in "odd" time signatures which are flawlessly integrated into the body of their songs, the creation of "concept songs" within "concept albums" and the ability of the band to incorporate various styles as hard rock, blues, jazz, hip hop and classical music into their structures. Additionally, they have influenced "progressive rock" musicians, "hard rock" artists and although, not a "heavy metal" band have inspired the development of the genre of "progressive metal?"

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 11:38am


Enigmaticus - I'm going to hold my ground on the Genesis argument. There are a couple points where I respectfully disagree. I remember when Genesis were inducted, there was a lot of similar talk about how it was going to open a Prog Express Lane on the highway into Cleveland. That didn't and won't happen, but I believe that it did open the door to Rush being inducted, Procol Harum being nominated and my presumption that other major Prog bands are much more on the radar. It comes down to this: Rush was not a critically beloved band, Genesis was much more respected. It was going to take a better accepted Prog band being inducted first for Rush to be considered. (In the interest of disclosure I do like Rush and Peter Gabriel-era Genesis, but loathe post-Gabriel Genesis. I'm trying to look at this objectively from my experiences as an observer at the time.)

As far as Genesis not opening the door immediately for Gabriel and Collins, it's only been three years. The chances of someone getting a solo induction that quickly after their band at this point are extremely slim, not to mention that they're both being considered for careers that happened in the 80s, the decade with the largest bottleneck.

What it comes down to is that you seem to be looking at and arguing the merits of the artists as you see them, which is fine. Nothing wrong with that. I'm looking at how I've seen the RRHoF work for the 10 years that I've been observing it to try to get a bigger picture of what is and will happen.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 16:41pm


Congratulations, DarinRG, you have certainly made quite a convincing argument if you had only included Pink Floyd and Genesis in your argument. Then yes, Rush had certainly benefitted from Genesis' induction. However, the "prog rock" umbrella is amorphous and immense, it includes not only "progressive rock" bands, but also "art rock" bands and "psychedelic rock (pro to-prog) bands. There really is no such thing as "new wave;" it is a commercial term used to describe bands after the rise and demise of punk. Therefore the following bands are considered "progressive rock," by extension: Talking Heads (who had influenced latter day King Crimson, Genesis and Rush), Police (who had influenced Yes, Genesis and Rush), Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dead, Cream, The Doors, The Beatles, Traffic and yes, even Led Zeppelin. Now, if you consider all of those bands, "prog rock" is far mote prevalent in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

As far as the next bands to be considered for induction is concerned, I did not hear Genesis asking for Rush' induction.
Rush, on the other hand had called for the induction of The Moody Blues, Yes, King Crimson and Deep Purple. Rush has also alluded to Roxy Music as an influence upon Neil Peart. Peart has said "...We have never said that doesn't suit Rush; those words have never been uttered..." Roxy Music had stopped recording just after Duran Duran had released their debut album, but they had gone out on a resoundingly high note, "Avalon" is an absolute masterpiece. Unfortunately, Roxy Music does not have the widespread appeal of Duran Duran, neither does Chic. The nomination and induction of Duran Duran will eventually open the door for the inductions of Roxy Music and others later. Duran Duran had also been hated by the critics, but when did a positive "critical review," ever help sell albums. I am very proud of Duran Duran, they have had the chutzpah to focus themselves on becoming an even better band. This sound like Rush somewhat doesn't it?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 18:25pm


Okay, were speaking two different languages here. On one hand I reject the idea that the music that we generally compartmentalize as Psychedelic, Glam, Krautrock, Electronica or New wave/Post-punk are the same as what we compartmentalize as Prog. They all have different approaches and commonly cited sets of influence. It seems to me that you're talking small "p" progressive, artists that have a progressive and forward thinking aspect to their music. If we're talking small "p" progressive, which I'm fine with, then yes, I do think that we'll see more inductions in the near future than we would from big "P" Prog. Mostly, though, I think it's due to a good number of the major snubs and ignored genres possessing strongly progressive elements.

As far as the members of Rush namedropping acts that they'd like to see inducted, I don't think that the tree of them alone have that much stroke. That said, the best way for artists to get on the nominating committee's radar and eventually the ballot is to have either influential and powerful inductees advocate for them (I'm talking the Bruces and Eltons, not the Geddys of the world, in this case) or have a good number of inductees dropping the same names. Quite a few of the names that Rush has mentioned have also been mentioned by more recent inductees like members of G n R, RHCP, Metallica, even Chuck D, and soon to be inductee Dave Grohl. A coalition like that can get names on ballots, but it will take the coalition, not just the members of Rush alone.

I actually like and admire your approach of breaking down labeled barriers and considering progressive minded music as a whole, but I don't think the nominating committee as a whole shares that approach of inclusiveness.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 21:20pm


DarinRG,

Certainly a bloc of artists advocating the induction of various bands is better than an individual. However, the composition of the nominating committee has certainly changed, that is how Rush had received their nomination and eventual induction. Of course, I still think of the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame like a private country club. There are artists that definitely deserve their accolades and others that perhaps ride the coattails of other greats. Nonetheless, when your own people who support the country club, say that they need to induct a new act, and when enough of those who support you advocate it and if their exclusion can hurt you economically, you might actually begin to listen to them. However, the committee originally may not have been "prog" friendly. How do you solve that problem? You wait until there is a vacancy on the committee or a member retires. Eventually, you advocate the appointment of more user friendly and adaptable committee members who will advocate those new members. The longer that Rush had stayed out of the RRHOF, the greater the number of advocates became for the underdog. I won't mention any names, but there are now quite a few nominating members who are much more "prog" friendly.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 21:52pm


Is it just me, or does Enigmaticus remind us of a familiar fellow poster? Enig... what are your thoughts on Peter Gabriel?

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 23:38pm


Enigma - Are you asking the site at large how it views Duran Duran & Rush in those prior posts?

Your enveloping of the Police, Talking Heads, Beatles, Cream, Airplane, Doors, Zeppelin, etc., into Progressive Rock is interesting, though I believe, slightly flawed. It's like Darin noted, we've two definitions of "Prog" - Big "P" music, small "p" historical progression. Thing is, anyone can appear progressive w/in the music's history, since I think every generation views it's modern sound as the cutting edge (I hate that term, but I can't figure out what to substitute for it right now).

I know that from the mid-80's onward I always assumed that the music would simply unfurl itself no matter what. Perhaps that general assumption looks foolish today, though all through my high school & college yrs., I always thought that the "next big thing" would come down the line. I do believe it still has, but the corporations have buried a lot of it under mountains of dreck.

One interesting point is how Rolling Stone termed the music in it's own "Illustrated History of Rock & Roll" book. The chapter in question is called "The Emergence of Art Rock". Clearly this gives a clue as to many of the old voters line of thinking. If they've groomed a line of writers who will simply puppet their thinking, then prog may face one heck of a fight.

In the end run, most everyone will get in. Capitalism, & honest musicians of the 90's & 00's will see to this. Influences will be noted, & hopefully this will override politics. If this doesn't, the need for an audience to keep the doors open will surely cover the rest. The committee has to acknowledge it, lest they see their own heroes go down the tube as well. The only problem is the backlog, along w/the needs of a modern audience, will in fact leave a few artists out. Someone older is going to have to be tossed to the side, purely through the unwise methods of voting used in the past. We just have to wonder who...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 05.12.13 @ 06:15am


Philip,

I do like quite a few of Peter Gabriel's solo albums, such as his brilliant debutt album, his extraordinary 3rd album, Security, So, Plays Live and New Blood. I am not particularly enamored of his 2nd album, however. I do not think that those songs are as well crafted.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05.12.13 @ 11:53am


Philip,

I do like quite a few of Peter Gabriel's solo albums, such as his brilliant debut album, his extraordinary 3rd album, Security, So, Plays Live and New Blood. I am not particularly enamored of his 2nd album, however. I do not think that those songs are as well crafted.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05.12.13 @ 11:53am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05.12.13 @ 11:55am


DarinRG,

Back in 2001, I believe a show called "Top Ten" from the U. K. had listed the 10 most successful Prog Rock bands based upon the amount of time spent on the U.K. Album charts. They are as follows:

10. Camel
9. King Crimson
8. Hawkwind
7. Rush
6. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
5. Yes
4. Jethro Tull
3. The Moody Blues
2. Genesis
1. Pink Floyd

Overall, their music was described as ridiculous. I think that those prevailing attitudes have changed, however.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05.12.13 @ 16:20pm


Yes, Cheesecrop I am trying to find out how others view Duran Duran and Rush. Ironically, I find many similarities existing between those two bands. Both of them have seemed to occupy the niches vacated by two other major groups. In the case of Duran Dura, it is Roxy Music. In the case of Rush, it could be a multitude of progressive rock bands.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05.12.13 @ 16:27pm


Enigmaticus - One thing that your list got me thinking about is that Camel seems to be really popular with the kids coming of age musically right now based on a couple other sites that I'm on. They seem to be in the midst of a re-discovery.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 05.12.13 @ 18:08pm


I am here to clarify a misconception that Philip had. Let it be known, I am not Enigmaticus. For one thing, I happen to think Peter Gabriel's second album (the album cover being the photo scratches) is a rather interesting field in his back catalog. How I see it, Peter Gabriel 2 is the prototype for the Fripp-Belew era of King Crimson before Discipline was recorded. In addition, cosnidering Robert Fripp having produced the album, I often wonder if King Crimson would have sounded like the 2nd album if, by some off chance, Peter Gabriel were a band member.

I do appreciate what Enigmaticus has offered to this website: I do hope Enigmaticus considers getting involved with the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project this fall. In addition, I am rather pleased to hear of the Camel reappreciation coming forth from the likes of Prog Archives and other sites. Andrew Latimer is one of the most emotionally capable instrumentalists and songwriters of his era. And in some cases like The Snow Goose, lyrics need not be required to showcase Latimer's craft.

Since quite a number of fellow posters have made their inferences known in whom they believe will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2014; I feel it is time for my inferences to be made public. Though I think many of you will be aware of whom I think will be inducted.

Peter Gabriel
Nirvana
N.W.A.
Deep Purple
Whitney Houston
Kraftwerk
Eurythmics

This is only in the Performers category. And yes, Peter Gabriel is once again an artist I am quite certain will be inducted. This now seems to be the right time. Nirvana is a virtual lock. N.W.A. will go in almost immediately. Deep Purple will also get inducted as holdovers from last year. Whitney Houston will be posthumously inducted (though she should have received this in her lifetime: same goes for Kurt Cobain and Jon Lord). Kraftwerk just won our Snub Madness contest; thus an induction is a near certainty. And The Eurythmics is my left-field pick. I shall explain whom I infer will be inducted in all other categories, especially non-performers, in the days ahead.

Enigmaticus, welcome aboard to Future Rock Legends. I am certain you will like it here. This should, if needed, put an end to the rumors that Enigmaticus and I are the same poster. We are not. I am not that good in prose:(.

Le Tour de France is a Tour de Frauds (the real event, not the Kraftwerk song),

Lax30

Posted by Lax30 on Sunday, 05.12.13 @ 21:43pm


I am trying to find out how others view Duran Duran and Rush.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05.12.13 @ 16:27pm
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Cool.

Personally, I see Duran Duran as: B) a "New Romantic" band with staying power.

The majority of what Duran Duran did was pop. It happens to be very good pop. It was very "romantic" in a certain sense of the word, highly polished, sometimes danceable, very arty, & very packaged.

As rock, there's almost nothing there. There are no signs of the blues, or country music, or jazz, or folk. Nothing is being laid out on the line, & the music did little to influence any of rock's root forms.

This doesn't mean it's not good As Pop. In addition, the Rock Hall has already shown it's willingness to induct pop acts. Duran Duran Is a major oversight, especially by the standards the Hall appears to be using. They Should be in - & I do think they will get in, & fairly soon.

Personally, I see Rush as: C) An engaging heavy "progressive rock" band, whose roots lie in the "hard rock" bands of the mid to late 1960's and the early "progressive rock" stylings of King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull and Emerson, Lake & Palmer.

Rush Is a rock band. They started out blues-based, & even though they went progressive, they never lost the blues-basing, or let it drown in a wash of synthesizers, canned drums, processed vocals, etc. (not always, at least). I don't think Rush re-invented the wheel, per' se, but then again, there's never been a rule that states you have to re-invent the wheel to get elected. You could probably make a solid case that they were one of the top ten bands every year from 1975-1985, w/a top five finish around the time of "Moving Pictures".

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 05.13.13 @ 06:22am


Cheesecrop, it would be interesting to talk to a Hall member, say a member of The Loving Spoonful (just pulling a name out of the air) & see how they view The Monkees.

The 'advantages' I was thinking about would include the Hollywood PR machine, being on TV once a week, & having top quality songwriters.

How big would The Spoonful have been if they had received all the above?

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 05.13.13 @ 08:12am


PaulinKY,

I would not say that The Monkees have 0 chance of getting in. I would say that their induction is still several years away, however. The Monkees had two experienced musicians in their band: Peter Tork and Michael Nesmith. The late Davy Jones and Mickey Dolenz are primarily actors, Although, their songs were originally written by major songwriters in the early days; their latter day work was their own, plus they had attempted to introduce the late Jimi Hendrix to their audience. I think that there might be a good chance of seeing The Monkees inducted during the latter part of this decade, around 2018, or 2019, or so.

Paul, while It's true that Rush consists of only 3 people, their fan base is immense and in many cases, quite influential. Whoever Rush endorses will be voted for by their massive fan base, both inside and outside of the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame. There are several reasons to believe that The Moody Blues and Duran Duran will get nominated.

Duran Duran has recently been quite active and their most recent album, "All You Need Is Now," is a masterpiece. Duran Duran is not afraid to stretch the envelope and be experimental, incorporate new styles into their songwriting and they have recently won a fan vote, amongst snubbed bands, in a Bay area opinion poll. Plus, they were pioneers in creating arty music videos.

The Moody Blues are about to release a 17 disc retrospective of their work. Also, they have an immense fan base and are relatively easy to induct.

These decisions are primarily based upon economics. Who is going to put on the best show? Who will bring in the most
fans? Rush was the headliner this year, amongst major icons. Was this arbitrarily done, or was it planned?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.11.13 @ 03:25am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05.13.13 @ 09:18am


PaulinKY,


My apologies, I have created a faux pas. I had misspelled Micky Dolenz's name in the previous comment.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05.13.13 @ 09:36am


Enigmaticus, while I think The Monkees may one day get in, it will probably be 30 or 40 years from now, when all the band members have passed on.

I do think Duran Duran is a pop band, primarily. Will state that I have not listened to much of their post-1990 output, so you are more up on them than I.

I think Duran Duran will make the Hall before The Monkees (and should, as they are a better band).

Will say that if 'fan bases' played a big role in Hall admittance, Kiss & Chicago would be in & it wouldn't have taken Lynryd Skynryrd (probably mispelled that) 7 tries!! to get in.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 05.13.13 @ 10:22am


Heh, sorry Lax. Gotta admit though, you two do have very similar writing styles.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 05.13.13 @ 15:22pm


Paul in Ky,

Since you are unfamiliar with Duran Duran's post 1980's output, I do suggest that you check out the following albums by Duran Duran: "Duran Duran'" aka 'The Wedding Album,' "Astronaut," "All You Need Is Now" and the video, "A Diamond In The Mind." Thank you.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05.14.13 @ 09:08am


Thanks, Enigmaticus. I will check them out.

I do think their 80s output alone is good enough for a place in the Hall.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 05.14.13 @ 13:08pm


Cheesecrop, it would be interesting to talk to a Hall member, say a member of The Loving Spoonful (just pulling a name out of the air) & see how they view The Monkees.

The 'advantages' I was thinking about would include the Hollywood PR machine, being on TV once a week, & having top quality songwriters.

How big would The Spoonful have been if they had received all the above?

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 05.13.13 @ 08:12am
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I think it all depends on how they would've worked out w/Don Kirshner.

Clearly, Kirshner had a heavy hand where the show was concerned, & unless the Beatles were going to be on the show, any other act would've had to bow down to Kirshner's songwriters. No matter who showed up, the act most likely would've been stifled to some degree.

I think it would be hard to judge now, even regarding contemporaries of the group. They themselves must realize what the Monkees were up against, which is why I feel there might b some sympathy for the group. Don't forget, plenty of session work was still available back then (Glen Campbell's time w/the "Wrecking Crew", Jimmy Page's work on the Kinks, Herman's Hermits, Tom Jones, etc.). That system was still in place, yet the Hall seems desperate to avoid this, even if the artists of the time may be willing to acknowledge it.

It's interesting...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 05.14.13 @ 16:31pm


You are very welcome Paul in KY.

If you want to see one of Duran Duran's most clever and best videos, you might be interested in the video for 'Girl Panic,' as well.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05.14.13 @ 23:58pm


Well, tonight is the big night. I have been waiting for 13 years to see Heart and 15 years to see Rush inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. Of course, unlike many Rush fans, I had actually created a website to support their induction at that time. My website has since been archived, but you now think of Rush as a "progressive rock" band, in small part, due to my efforts. Rather ironically, back in late 1980/early 1981- Rush, Heart, Donna Summer, and even Abba were amongst my favorite artists. It's a good thing to know that planting the seed after being contacted by the RRHOF induction supporters has finally come to fruition.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.18.13 @ 16:35pm


My website has since been archived, but you now think of Rush as a "progressive rock" band, in small part, due to my efforts.

- Enigmaticus

Um, okay...

Congrats on seeing a couple of your favorites inducted this year, though. I don't doubt that it's a great feeling.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 05.18.13 @ 19:58pm


Yes DarinRG, it is a great feeling. When the Hall Of Fame inductions were announced back in December, I had actually smiled.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05.19.13 @ 00:05am


#19 - Posted 3/23/13 @11:45PM by Enigmaticus [contact]

It's hard to believe that is has been almost 16 years since I had first started creating my website. Even in those days, "progressive rock" websites were very few in number. There was the GEPR of course and some of the band "rings" were just starting. This was back in the days before front page, when one had to use Corel DRAW and Photoshop and learn HTML, in order to create your web pages. Even so, for those of us who had enjoyed "progressive rock" music, it had represented a golden opportunity. After starting link this page, I was contacted by individuals who were interested in starting a campaign to induct Rush into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. I was absolutely 100% behind their effort and had signed the petition a very long time ago. Why wouldn't I support Rush's induction, after all they are the greatest "progressive rock" band of all time, in addition to being one of the most consistently excellent groups in history.

Say what you may, but in the early part of 1981, Rush, Abba and Heart were three of my favorite groups. My other favorite band was The Moody Blues. "This Is The Moody Blues" was on constant rotation in my primitive cassette player. I had also liked some of the songs by the Electric Light Orchestra. I had also been introduced to the music of Donna Summer, and I remember owning her compilation. Even so, I was also interested in Styx and had owned "The Grand Illusion" on cassette, my favorite song by Styx was and still is 'Man In The Wilderness.'

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05.19.13 @ 04:42am


#19 - Posted 3/23/13 @11:45PM by Enigmaticus [contact]

It's hard to believe that is has been almost 16 years since I had first started creating my website. Even in those days, "progressive rock" websites were very few in number. There was the GEPR of course and some of the band "rings" were just starting. This was back in the days before front page, when one had to use Corel DRAW and Photoshop and learn HTML, in order to create your web pages. Even so, for those of us who had enjoyed "progressive rock" music, it had represented a golden opportunity. After starting link this page, I was contacted by individuals who were interested in starting a campaign to induct Rush into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. I was absolutely 100% behind their effort and had signed the petition a very long time ago. Why wouldn't I support Rush's induction, after all they are the greatest "progressive rock" band of all time, in addition to being one of the most consistently excellent groups in history.

Say what you may, but in the early part of 1981, Rush, Abba and Heart were three of my favorite groups. My other favorite band was The Moody Blues. "This Is The Moody Blues" was on constant rotation in my primitive cassette player. I had also liked some of the songs by the Electric Light Orchestra. I had also been introduced to the music of Donna Summer, and I remember owning her compilation. Even so, I was also interested in Styx and had owned "The Grand Illusion" on cassette, my favorite song by Styx was and still is 'Man In The Wilderness.'

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05.19.13 @ 04:52am


I have just seen the edited version of The 2013 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction ceremony on H.B.O.




Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05.19.13 @ 10:42am


#58 - Posted 5/19/13 @9:13PM by Enigmaticus [contact]

To those detractors who did not like Alex Lifeson's "...blah, blah, blah..." induction speech, what would you have suggested that he should have said, instead?

Perhaps this:

Ladies and gentlemen,

I would like to say that I have been in this business a very long time. When I was much, much younger, I had decided to make music my chosen profession. As it stands, my friend Geddy Lee and I had formed Rush nearly 45 years ago. Then, Neil had joined us in the summer of 1974. Over those many years, I have been playing a guitar for a living. It seems like for year in and year out, we have toured and toured and toured to a very receptive audience, for which we are extremely grateful.

Of course, as far as the rock establishment was concerned, we were considered " terminally unhip." For decades, critics had despised us, yet our audience had grown to massive proportions. The powers that be had told us, that we would never be afforded this honor. However, many years had passed and strangely enough, newer hipper bands had started to cite us as an influence. We have waited many years for this honor. We really were not certain, if it would ever happen.

Again, several years had passed. Then the unexpected had occurred. One day, I had rather surprisingly, received a telephone call from the RRHOF committee. I had been informed that our band was being chosen for induction into the RRHOF. My immediate reaction was to get ready
and prepare an acceptance speech for the occasion. On behalf of my two partners, Pratt and Dirk, we are very grateful to be inducted into the RRHOF. I would also like to thank our fan base, without you, none of this would have been possible. Thank you very much for this honor.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05.20.13 @ 03:15am


The expected order of induction for the 2014 inductees:

1. Carly Simon
2. Electric Light Orchestra
3. Sade
4. Foreigner
5. Moody Blues
6. Doobie Brothers
7. Nirvana
8. Duran Duran

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05.21.13 @ 09:53am


Future inductions of "prog" and "art rock" bands:

Rush ---> Moody Blues ---> Yes, Deep Purple ----> King Crimson ---> Jethro Tull ---> Gentle Giant ---> Dream Theater

Rush ---> E.L.O. ---> Styx ---> Procol Harum---> Supertramp
---> Kansas

Rush ---> Duran Duran ---> Roxy Music



Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05.6.13 @ 05:05am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 05.21.13 @ 09:59am


With regards to their musical ouput,
Whom do you like better: Carly Simon, or Carole King?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05.27.13 @ 16:26pm


carly simon had more hits than carole king

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 05.28.13 @ 14:33pm


Sade and Foreigner could very well be inducted. The Baseball Hall Of Fame (I might be the only person in Britain that keeps tabs on that) could also give Edgar Martinez his due. Don't count on either happening anytime soon, however.

I actually like most of your list, Enigmaticus. I'm fully ok with Duran Duran going in, but I'd prefer Depeche Mode first. Regardless, either one would be an excellent way to get the ball rolling for the 80's. I agree with Darin, no need to rush with prog. The Moody Blues absolutely have a chance for next year; unfortunately, King Crimson don't.

How awesome would a joint Nirvana-Soundgarden induction be?

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 05.28.13 @ 16:44pm


With regards to their musical output,
Whom do you like better: Carly Simon, or Carole King?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05.27.13 @ 16:26pm
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I always saw them in the same light. I liked them both a bit, but not as much as devoted fans would. Simon has more hits, unless you credit King w/what she wrote for others in the past.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 05.29.13 @ 05:57am


They really need to start the 2014 polls, now that the 2013 class has been inducted. I have a few more comments about Rush:

#125 - Posted 4/23/13 @10:02AM by Enigmaticus [contact]

Shall we get back to the earlier subject, please?

I had just read the Allmusic Guide's Discography for Rush. It appears that they have not yet become enlightened, unfortunately.

I was glad to hear that David Wild has finally eaten his words. It has taken over 2 decades to make this a reality, but now since Rush is now a member of the Rock & Roll pantheon, it was worth it.

Now, as to the ratings on the Rush discography:
Firstly, let's divide their recordings into 5 distinct periods.

The Early Period

Rush ***
Fly By Night *** 1/2
Caress Of Steel *****
2112 ****
All The World's A Stage *** 1/2

The Middle Period

A Farewell To Kings **** 1/2
Hemispheres *****
Permanent Waves *****
Moving Pictures *****
Exit... Stage Left *****

The Early Modern Period

Signals *****
Grace Under Pressure ****
Power Windows *****
Hold Your Fire ****
A Show Of Hands ****

The Middle Modern Period

Presto *****
Roll The Bones *****
Counterparts ****
Test For Echo ****1/2
Different Stages *****

The Late Modern Period

Vapor Trails ****1/2
Rush In Rio ****
Feedback (EP) ****
R30 *****
Snakes & Arrows *****
Snakes & Arrows Live *****
Time Machine Tour ****
Clockwork Angels *****
Clockwork Angels Live *****

#68 - Posted 4/20/13 @7:11PM by Enigmaticus [contact]

Ladies and gentlemen, I can certainly understand your frustration over Rush being snubbed for induction for 15 years. As I have said numerous times before, I have supported their induction since the very beginning. I have to wonder if Jann Wenner was the individual responsible though. From what I have read, it has been critic David Wild who had allegedly detested Rush from the very beginning. Of course, Wild was quick to praise Foreigner, Bad Company and even after a while, Heart- their "Behind The Music Remastered" episodes attest to that fact.

In Jann Wenner's defense, I would like to mention the 2nd Rolling Stone Record Guide (the blue one) from 1983, wherein John Swenson had given most of Rush's albums 3 & 4 stars, respectively. I feel that a critical reevaluation of Rush's discography is definitely in order. Critic Greg Prato, from the Allmusic Guide needs to amend their discography and his review of "Exit.. Stage Left" is completely unwarranted.

If I were to rate Rush's discography (of studio and live albums), I would give most of them 5 stars, These include the following : (Caress Of Steel, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures, Exit.. Stage Left, Signals, Power Windows, Presto, Roll The Bones, Different Stages, R30, Snakes & Arrows, Snakes & Arrows Live, Clockwork Angels & the upcoming Clockwork Angels Live)
4 1/2 stars to: A Farewell To Kings, Test For Echo & Vapor Trails
4 stars to: 2112, Grace Under Pressure, Hold Your Fire, Counterparts, Rush In Rio and the Time Machine Tour.
3 1/2 stars to: Fly By Night & All The World's A Stage
3 stars to: Rush

What are your opinions?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 05.29.13 @ 10:16am


For five star ratings to mean anything, by definition they need to be rare. I appreciate your fandom, but it is rather silly to give the majority of anybody's discography five star ratings. You need to separate your love for their music from some sort of objective analysis.

Posted by dezmond on Wednesday, 05.29.13 @ 13:47pm


Desmond,

I am not really a Rush "fan." per se. I have only been to 3 of their concerts. I am however an aficionado of Rush's music and of progressive rock, in general. I was comparing Rush's albums to the rest of the rock/pop artists in the aforementioned posts. Now, if you were to ask me which of their recordings I would recommend to the casual listener, that list would be somewhat different, comparing each album of Rush to Rush's overall work would change the ratings significantly:

Although, I am not an aficionado of their early work, for someone new to the band, I would probably recommend "2112," instead. I still would not give it 5 stars; I cannot stand 'Lessons.'

As far as their "middle period' is concerned: "Permanent Waves," " Moving Pictures," and of course, "Exit... Stage Left" are the standouts. "Hemispheres" is great also, but would probably be rated at 4 1/2 stars, instead.

The major stand outs from the "early modern" period are: "Signals" and "Power Windows."

As far as the "middle modern" period is concerned:
IMHO, Rush's best studio album is "Roll The Bones." this album has at least 5 masterpieces on it. If it had 'Nobody's Hero' on it instead, it would have been Rush's greatest album, period. It keeps the 5 star rating. "Presto" is great also, but is
probably a 4 1/2 star recording, using those criteria.

The "late modern" period has two standouts: "Snakes & Arrows" and "Clockwork Angels."

Overall, these are Rush's best recordings. All worthy of 5 stars in order:

1. Exit... Stage Left
2. Roll The Bones
3. Power Windows
4. Moving Pictures
5. Permanent Waves
6. Snakes & Arrows

7. Presto comes close, 'Available Light,' 'Presto,' 'Red Tide,' 'Scars,' 'Anagram' and 'The Pass' are great songs also.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05.31.13 @ 10:00am


I seem to have forgotten "Clockwork Angels."

The amended list:

1. Exit... Stage Left
2. Roll The Bones
3. Power Windows
4. Moving Pictures
5. Clockwork Angels
6. Permanent Waves
7. Snakes & Arrows
8. Presto

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 05.31.13 @ 10:08am


Dezmond,


Desmond,

I am not really a Rush "fan." per se. I have only been to 3 of their concerts. I am however an aficionado of Rush's music and of progressive rock, in general. I was comparing Rush's albums to the rest of the rock/pop artists in the aforementioned posts. Now, if you were to ask me which of their recordings I would recommend to the casual listener, that list would be somewhat different, comparing each album of Rush to Rush's overall work would change the ratings significantly:

Although, I am not an aficionado of their early work, for someone new to the band, I would probably recommend "2112," instead. I still would not give it 5 stars; I cannot stand 'Lessons.'

As far as their "middle period' is concerned: "Permanent Waves," " Moving Pictures," and of course, "Exit... Stage Left" are the standouts. "Hemispheres" is great also, but would probably be rated at 4 1/2 stars, instead.

The major stand outs from the "early modern" period are: "Signals" and "Power Windows."

As far as the "middle modern" period is concerned:
IMHO, Rush's best studio album is "Roll The Bones." this album has at least 5 masterpieces on it. If it had 'Nobody's Hero' on it instead, it would have been Rush's greatest album, period. It keeps the 5 star rating. "Presto" is great also, but is
probably a 4 1/2 star recording, using those criteria.

The "late modern" period has two standouts: "Snakes & Arrows" and "Clockwork Angels."

Overall, these are Rush's best recordings. All worthy of 5 stars in order:

I seem to have forgotten "Clockwork Angels."

The amended list:

1. Exit... Stage Left
2. Roll The Bones
3. Power Windows
4. Moving Pictures
5. Clockwork Angels
6. Permanent Waves
7. Snakes & Arrows
8. Presto
9. R30
10. Snakes & Arrows Live



Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 06.1.13 @ 13:39pm


As far as greatest Rush songs are concerned, they have a plethora of them:

'Working Man,' 'Fly By Night,' 'Bastille Day,' 'Tears,' 'A Passage To Bangkok,' 'The Twilight Zone,' 'Xanadu,' 'Closer To The Heart,' 'Cinderella Man,' 'The Trees,' 'La Villa Strangiato,' 'Freewill,' 'Different Strings,' 'The Spirit Of Radio,' 'Jacob's Ladder,' 'Natural Science,' 'Tom Sawyer,'. 'Red Barchetta,' 'YYZ,' 'Limelight,' 'The Camera Eye,' 'Vital Signs,' 'Digital Man,' 'Subdivisions,' 'Chemistry,' 'Losing It,' 'Countdown,' 'New World Man,' 'Afterimage,' 'Between The Wheels,' 'Red Lenses,' 'Red Sector A,' 'Manhattan Project,' 'Grand Designs,' 'Marathon,' 'Territories,' 'Middletown Dreams,' 'Mystic Rhythms,' 'Time Stand Still,' 'Open Secrets,' 'Second Nature,' 'Prime Mover,' 'High Water,' 'The Pass,' 'Scars,' 'Presto,' 'Anagram (for Mongo),' 'Red Tide,' 'Available Light,' 'Dreamline,' 'Bravado,' 'Roll The Bones,' 'Where's My Thing,' 'The Big Wheel,' 'Heresy,' 'Ghost Of A Chance,' 'You Bet Your Life,' 'Animate,' 'Nobody's Hero,' 'Leave That Thing Alone,' 'Double Agent,' 'Cold Fire,' 'Everyday Glory,' 'Test For Echo,' 'Time & Motion,' 'The Color Of Right,' 'Totem,' 'Half The World,' 'Carve Away The Stone,' 'Resist,' 'Vapor Trail,' 'Ghost Rider,' 'Peaceable Kingdom,' 'How It Is,' 'Ceiling Unlimited,' 'Earthshine,' 'Sweet Miracle,' 'Out Of The Cradle,' 'Far Cry,' 'Snakes & Arrows,' 'Workin Them Angels,' 'The Larger Bowl,' 'The Main Monkey Business,' 'The Way The Wind Blows,' 'Faithless,' 'Bravest Face,' 'Good News First,' 'Caravan,' 'BU2B,' 'Clockwork Angels,' 'The Anarchist,' 'Carnies,' 'Halo Effect,' 'Seven Cities Of Gold,' 'The Wreckers,' 'Headlong Flight,' 'BU2B2,' & 'The Garden.'

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 06.1.13 @ 14:25pm


Enigma - I see you list all the basic touch-points of Rush's career. One thing I did like was your mention of the song "Test For Echo". That's always been a favorite of mine from much later on. It's nice to hear someone else mention it, as I thought for yrs. I was the only person who liked it.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 06.1.13 @ 20:15pm


Yes Cheesecrop, thank you for responding.

I think that 'Test For Echo' is one of the better songs from "Test For Echo." I am not that crazy about 'Driven,' nor 'Virtuality.' 'Dog Years' is okay, but 'Time & Motion' is probably my favorite song from that album. It's a shame that Prog Archives have given "TFE" such an abysmally low rating. :-(

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 06.4.13 @ 22:44pm


A possibly better order for the 2014 inductees:

1. Sade

'Smooth Operator'
'No Ordinary Love'

2. Doobie Brothers

' Long Train Running
'China Grove'
'You Belong To Me'

3. Carly Simon

'Nobody Does It Better'
'You're So Vain'

4. Foreigner

'I Want To Know What Love Is'
' Cold As Ice'

5. Nirvana

'Heart Shaped Box'
'No Apologies'

6. Electric Light Orchestra

'Livin' Thing'
'Mr. Blue Sky'

7. The Moody Blues

'I'm Just A Singer In A Rock And Roll Band'
'Legend Of A Mind'
'Nights In White Satin'

8. Duran Duran

'The Chauffeur'
'Ordinary World'
'Reach Up For The Sunrise'



Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 06.5.13 @ 00:53am


Nice arrangement, Enigmaticus, but they'll most likely be giving Nirvana the closing slot. There the most recent band on the bill, & Grohl has become a permanent part of these ceremonies. They'll get three songs, definitely.

In addition, you have Sade leading off. In a perfect world, if this Was the actual group, I'm willing to bet they'd drop her in the middle somewhere, if only to break up the rock-heavy bill you have.

Mind if I change the order slightly:

1. The Moody Blues
2. ELO
3. Sade
4. Foreigner
5. Duran Duran
6. Carly Simon
7. The Doobie Bros.
8. Nirvana

If I were to use your argument that Duran Duran were Progressive rock, you'd be Prog heavy at the back. I'd open w/prog, then move to the ladies. The two loudest acts here (Foreigner & Nirvana) split the bill in half. I'd space the ladies apart for a change of pace.

Your way is just as awesome, though, cause it's a great bill!


btw - you don't mind me jumping in on your posts here, do you? I'll clear the decks if you don't want me to do this any longer.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 06.5.13 @ 06:14am


Let me give my prediction on how much of this lineup will happen.

1. Nirvana
2. Maybe the Moody Blues get the snub make-up spot on the ballot and get in.
3-6. None of the above.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 06.5.13 @ 06:43am


No, not at all Cheesecrop, I enjoy hearing your opinions.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 06.5.13 @ 23:40pm


DarinRG,

Why are you against those inductees? Do you not think that Duran Duran, Carly Simon, E. L. O., Foreigner, Sade and The Doobie Brothers are worthy of induction? If not, whom would you support for induction in 2014 instead? Were you upset with the 2013 inductees, as well?

By the way, I had voted for 4 out of the 5 artists who were inducted in 2013. Four months before the nominees were even mentioned, I had predicted three of the inductees.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 06.9.13 @ 14:21pm


Enigmaticus - I wasn't saying that I was against any of them. My post was a prediction on who of that list will make it in next year. Of course Nirvana is a shoo-in and Moody Blues have legendary snub status and it seems like they're slowly working on those each year, so they could have a shot, but I haven't seen or heard evidence that any of the others are high on the radar (Carly Simon always has a chance to slide in at any given time, I'll give you that). Your prediction feels like it's more about what you're into that what the HoF is into. More power to you though, I haven't even put a prediction list together yet (but it would be foolish not to start any realistic predictions for next year with Nirvana and N.W.A).

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 06.9.13 @ 16:38pm


Yeah, I'm with DarinRG on that. Nirvana is the surefire. I think with Donna in, they'll finally go after Whitney to pay her posthumous respects, then Chic, before they have to do likewise with Nile Rodgers. Beyond that, it's a little fuzzy... my mid-season report picked LL Cool J (this was before "Accidental Racist" came out, now I'd probably lean towards N.W.A.), Joan Jett & The Blackhearts (because there's gotta be a dome-scratcher) and the Paul Butterfield Blues Band because the blues are hot right now. But I'm not even calling that a final, dead-serious prediction.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 06.9.13 @ 21:15pm


After Nirvana, I'm 90% sure Chic is going in next year.

First of all with Donna Summer in, no one will share the disco vote. Secondly, Nile Rodgers' own health scare will ensure that the Hall will enshrine his band very soon so as not to have another posthumous induction. Thirdly, they will be on their 8th nomination. Most oft-nominated acts tend to get in after about 7 tries. But finally and most importantly I think, Daft Punk's Random Access Memories and the corresponding single "Get Lucky" being both smashes really help Chic's candidacy imo. It proves that Nile's production is still relevant. This will be a big feature of his Rock Hall bio, especially if the single reaches number one which it is on track to do so in the next few weeks. It might just be the thing that sways voters (younger ones most likely).

Posted by rockstar23 on Sunday, 06.9.13 @ 22:51pm


DarinRG,

Actually those lists are a compromise. My own choices would have been much more "prog" heavy. To give you an idea of whom I would have actually chosen for induction, if I had been given complete control, my list would look like much more this for various reasons.

2014

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Yes
4. Jethro Tull
5. King Crimson
6. Supertramp
7. Carly Simon
8. Carole King
9. Sade
10. Electric Light Orchestra

2015

1. Deep Purple
2. Styx
3. Gentle Giant
4. Chicago
5. Kansas
6. Phish
7. XTC
8. Stevie Ray Vaughn
9. Doobie Brothers
10. The Cars

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 06.10.13 @ 09:32am


2016

1. Procol Harum
2. Renaissance
3. Alan Parson's Project
4. Asia
5. Roxy Music
6. Peter Gabriel
7. Soft Machine
8. Stevie Nicks
9. Judas Priest
10. Dream Theater

2017

1. Echolyn
2. Boston
3. Sting
4. Depeche Mode
5. Hall & Oates
6. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
7. Garth Brooks
8. Bad Company
9. Twisted Sister
10. Shania Twain

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 06.10.13 @ 09:44am


2019

1. Martina McBride
2. Pat Benatar
3. Nirvana
4. Tangerine Dream
5. Vangelis
6. Yanni
7. Devo
8. Chic
9. Green Day
10. Radiohead

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 06.10.13 @ 09:53am


Oops, I forgot 2018

2018

1. Foreigner
2. The Carpenters
3. Toto
4. Journey
5. Thin Lizzy
6. Lionel Richie
7. Soundgarden
8. Pearl Jam
9. Iron Maiden
10. Jefferson Starship

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 06.10.13 @ 10:05am


DarinRG,


DarinRG,

Actually those previous lists are a compromise. My own choices would have been much more "prog" heavy. To give you an idea of whom I would have actually chosen for induction, if I had been given complete control, my list would look much more like this for various reasons.



Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 06.10.13 @ 10:19am


Enigmaticus - If those are your wish lists that's fine. I have wish lists that are never going to happen, too. Nothing wrong with that.

The rest of us are talking about actual educated predictions based on experience observing the HoFs history, habits and what we've seen important members of the nominating committee namedropping over the past year.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 06.10.13 @ 16:48pm


rockstar23 - I totally agree with your reasoning on Chic. They're just one of those bands that have been on the ballot for so long that it's hard to get my hopes up. But, I'm with you that their stars seemed to be aligned right now. It seems to be their time.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 06.10.13 @ 16:55pm


DarinRG,

I will admit that those previous (wish lists) are somewhat unrealistic, but the RRHOF nominating committee is an enigma. Sometimes, we wonder why they persist in nominating some acts and pass on others. I am relying on three "prog" friendly members of the RRHOF nominating committee to endorse my list. Besides, can you imagine how great that induction ceremony would be?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 06.10.13 @ 22:56pm


Instead of inducting Chic, the RRHOF could always present Nile Rodgers with the Ahmet Ertegun lifetime achievement award instead.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 06.11.13 @ 01:44am


"The rest of us are talking about actual educated predictions based on experience observing the HoFs history, habits and what we've seen important members of the nominating committee namedropping over the past year."

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 06.10.13 @ 16:48pm
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I agree with you on this on DarinRG. I've been obseriving on how the Hall's ballot for induction and I also notice that the ballot and inductions of 2012 and 2013 have some connections with the 2009 and 2010 respectively. For example on the 2009 and 2012 (or "Cleveland Inductions") ,War was nominated, an Early Influence was inducted even though it was nominated as a Performer and an 80s hard rock band is inducted. For the 2010 and 2013, a disco act got inducted (even though I don't find ABBA as a disco act), a prog band got inducted, a fan favorite heavy metal band got nominated but was in favor for prog and Non-Performers was the only sub-category to be inducted. I might expect that next year's ballot might be similar to the 2011 ballot (with the exception of Nirvana and Chic) and this might be how the nominating commitee will have in this year's (and some alternatives):

1. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - They might get inducted like how Darlene Love was when they were gone for a few years and an act Wenner supports. (Alternative: Whitney Houston - Even though not an Wenner act, she might repesent the women in the R&B/Soul field).

2. Afrika Bambaataa - A returning hip hop act that was gone for a few years like how the Beastie Boys did (Alternative: LL Cool J - I wouldn't put him as an alternative if it wasn't for "Accidental Racist").

3. Bon Jovi - They might be returning for another round for inductions.

4. Harry Nilsson - A "Donovan"- typed act who are singer-songwriters during the psychedelic-era.

5. The J. Geils Band - same with Bon Jovi and the PBBB.

6. KISS - Similar with Alice Cooper who were famous with rock-shows in their concerts (Alternative(s): Either T.Rex or The New York Dolls for the bands that were influence in glam rock).

7. The Meters - They might be back again with they influence in New Orleans funk like Dr. John

8. N.W.A. - Like LL Cool J, they might be nominated a year after there eligibility in Hip Hop.

9. Procol Harum - I also notice that the acts Steven Van Zant nominates gets inducted (The Dave Clark Five in 2008, The Hollies in 2010 and The Small Faces/Faces in 2012) (Alternative: Johnny Burnnette & The Rock & Roll Trio - Van Zant mentioned in an article that he wants them in, but Procol Harum is still his first priority).

10. Joe Tex - The same as Bon Jovi and The J. Geils Band

11. Chuck Willis - See above

12 Warren Zevon - A 70s singer-songwriter like Tom Waits

13. Stevie Ray Vaughn - Even though blues wasn't nominated in 2011, the blues are getting more representation after the 3 Kings are now inducted.

It might not be the right one, but this is my speculation for next year.

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 06.11.13 @ 02:16am


Sorry, I left one information on Procol Harum. I was suppose to put that "the acts Steven Van Zant nominates gets inducted every 2 years.?

Posted by John R.C. on Tuesday, 06.11.13 @ 02:26am


If Steven Van Zant is in favor of Procol Harum, then there at least 4 "prog" friendly members on the nominating committee.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 06.11.13 @ 02:32am


I have lamented the fact, for several decades, that more Rush songs had not been played on the radio. I have felt that this was quite an injustice, especially to those individuals who have not heard Rush.

Be that as it may, after having seen the edited version of The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame ceremony several times during the past month, one has to wonder if Rush had not belonged there since their very inception. I had been amazed to witness just how perfectly they had fit in to the rock & roll tapestry.

Speaking of "Tapestry," arguably Carole King's finest work, would it have been inconceivable for Carole King to have been inducted as a performer, in addition to a songwriter?

After having seen Carole King perform 'So Far Away' at the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame ceremony, I have to wonder if not only Carly Simon, but Carole King should have been inducted as performers several years ago. Perhaps to correct this injustice, it may be suitable for both to have received induction simultaneously. Therefore, I have amended my 2014 list to include Carole King, in addition to Carly Simon.

Hence, here is my updated 2014 inductees list:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Carole King
4. Carly Simon
5. Doobie Brothers
6. Foreigner
7. Electric Light Orchestra
8. Nile Rodgers (for the lifetime achievement award)
9. Sade
10. Nirvana

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 06.12.13 @ 09:43am


Where do k.d. Lang, Martina McBride, Shania Twain and Faith Hill fit into this organization?

Of course, I would endorse both Stevie Nicks (as a solo artist) and Pat Benatar. But are the aforementioned artists also worthy of induction?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 06.12.13 @ 10:01am


NWA is going to be nominated next year as well, you can take that to the bank!

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 06.12.13 @ 14:39pm


Where do k.d. Lang, Martina McBride, Shania Twain and Faith Hill fit into this organization?

Of course, I would endorse both Stevie Nicks (as a solo artist) and Pat Benatar. But are the aforementioned artists also worthy of induction?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 06.12.13 @ 10:01am
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You've answered your question, within your question.

Where DO they fit?

To me, it all depends on how they treat Garth Brooks. If they let Brooks in, it means the modern country sound from the first half of the 90's is now up for grabs. Excluding Lang, they all fit in there. So do a boatload of others.

By all rights, they don't fit, but the Hall has done some strange things.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 06.13.13 @ 06:55am


Well done Cheesecrop,

Garth Brooks will open up the door for those ladies. Therefore, I would like to amend my 2015 inductees list:

Once again, here is my list for induction in 2015:

Yes
Deep Purple
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Chicago
Garth Brooks
The Eurythmics
Green Day
Phish
Bad Company
Styx

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 06.13.13 @ 09:30am


Patsy Cline has yet to be nominated, yet be inducted. Garth Brooks won't smell the Hall of Fame.

Enigmaticus: Where are the Hip-Hop groups on your lists? You do know that at least 2 will be nominated every year and its almost certain that 1 will be inducted every year, right? Even if you don't like the genre, you should recognize that is here to stay.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 06.13.13 @ 15:04pm


After nominating Chic 7 times, they're not going to give Nile Rodgers a lifetime achievement award and forget about Chic. Not happening. Besides, Bernard Edwards was a crackerjack musician, and I understand a good producer and engineer too.

Unfortunately, the new series at the Hall, (if I read Bill G. correctly) may also indicate a nomination for Dionne Warwick. That would really sadden me, as I cannot stand Dionne Warwick, nor Burt Bachrach and Hal David as songwriters. I'm fine with Whitney Houston, love her music (mostly), but can't stand Warwick.

I really hope De La Soul doesn't get overlooked. At the very least, I'd like to see that they were in fact (Previously) Considered.

And yeah, Enig, I'm still calling that list unrealistic, along with DarinRG. No slight against you. In the end, we're all guessing.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 06.13.13 @ 20:07pm


Philip, you never know about Chic. They may get nominated and inducted this next year. It would be great to have another disco group in the Hall.

I'm also with you on De La Soul as they are a great rap group, but The Hall might put N.W.A. in next year. I would rather see De La Soul get nominated and inducted rather than them.

Since Heart got inducted this year, I'm praying that Journey, Foreigner, Styx, Bon Jovi, and Huey Lewis & The News are nominated and inducted within the next few years.

It would be a insult not to have Whitney Houston in the Hall too.

Posted by Andrew on Thursday, 06.13.13 @ 20:58pm


Well done Cheesecrop,

Garth Brooks will open up the door for those ladies.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 06.13.13 @ 09:30am
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Enigma:

I didn't necessarily Say that Brooks would open the door for the country ladies. I merely suggested he would be the litmus test for modern country.

btw - everyone else who mentioned hip-hop is probably right, here. I completely respect your list the way it is, & as a fantasy list, it's quite good. Even w/that, they'll be placing hip-hop acts in for yrs. to come (more's the pity).

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 06.14.13 @ 06:02am


I am not familiar enough with "rap music," to make that adjudication. Of those artists who utilize the spoken word and "hip hop" elements in a positive and constructive way, Kid n Play, Will Smith and Queen Latifah come to mind. I like 'Rapture' by Blondie and appreciate 'Roll The Bones,' by Rush. As far as I am concerned, as long as another group is not marginalized in some way by the artists in question, I will not have a problem with it. However, if the art form advocates, or incites violence against a group, groups, or individuals, I cannot condone it.

If you want a great spoken word intro, as far as I am concerned, try the chant at the beginning of 'The Revealing Science Of God' from "Tales From Topographic Oceans" by Yes.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 06.14.13 @ 09:41am


The 2013 Songwriters Hall of Fame

Petula Clark inducts Tony Hatch
Patty Smyth inducts Holly Knight
Billy Joel inducts Lou Gramm and Mick Jones
Chad Kroeger and Ryan Peake induct Steven Tyler and Joe Perry
Peter Asher inducts JD Souther

Sting presents the Johnny Mercer Award to Elton John and Bernie Taupin
Smokey Robinson presents the Pioneer Award to Berry Gordy

Posted by Roy on Friday, 06.14.13 @ 10:36am


Enigmaticus - What did you think of Vanilla Ice?

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 06.14.13 @ 17:34pm


I am not familiar enough with "rap music," to make that adjudication. Of those artists who utilize the spoken word and "hip hop" elements in a positive and constructive way, Kid n Play, Will Smith and Queen Latifah come to mind. I like 'Rapture' by Blondie and appreciate 'Roll The Bones,' by Rush. As far as I am concerned, as long as another group is not marginalized in some way by the artists in question, I will not have a problem with it. However, if the art form advocates, or incites violence against a group, groups, or individuals, I cannot condone it.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 06.14.13 @ 09:41am
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Then you aren't going to be inducting that much rap into your personal Hall of Fame. The first ten yrs. or so had acres of creativity. The rest has been a mixture of lowest common denominator pandering, w/brief outbursts of interesting ideas.

You might like De La Soul, Arrested Development, and P.M. Dawn, a few late 80's/early 90's groups that had some inspiration beyond the "hood", as it might be termed. Beck's stuff is interesting, though most rapper's would toss him in the rock category. Same w/G. Love & Special Sauce, a rap-blues outfit that's pretty good.

I'd also listen in on Outkast. They started in 94, but it's the later stuff, in the early 2000's, that caught everybody's attention (that's when they realized there was something more going on here then just the "hood", per' se). If you want the best live group hip-hop ever produced, then check out The Roots, who really Can do it all. They're certainly the only modern hip-hop act I'd induct on the first ballot into the Hall. They started in the mid-90's, and now they're the house band on " Jimmy Kimmel".

The majority of the rest can be really bad, if you're going by what you said. N.W.A., Dre, Cube, Snoop, 2Pac, Notorious Big, on & on, up through Master P, Eminem, Jay-Z, & everyone else down the line, can be a real trip, in the worst possible way.

Nevertheless, they'll make the Hall, cause they're STARS!!! oohhh... (sarcasm definitely noted, thank you!)

For the Record, others on site could help you find acts that don't resort to cliché's, posing, & crap, but who do have something of interest to offer. It's like anything these days, in that you have to be willing to dig around to find it.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 06.15.13 @ 05:52am


Woah woah, Jay Z was amazing around the time of The Blueprint.

And then there's KING KANYE THA GAWD.

(Yeezus is guaranteed to be AOTY btw)

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 06.15.13 @ 07:42am


Yes, Outkast looks interesting. Anybody who expands on what Stevie Wonder has done, is going to get praise. Speaking of which, Coolio wrote a song called 'Gangsta's Paradise,' but isn't that the same song as 'Halftime Paradise,' from "Songs In The Key Of Life," by Stevie Wonder with different lyrics?

Then weird Al Yankovic did a parody of it called 'Amish Paradise?'

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 06.15.13 @ 13:56pm


Enigmaticus you might like this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsfnuyyjaB0

Posted by JimmyRussles on Saturday, 06.15.13 @ 14:50pm


http://hitparadehalloffame.com

The Hit Parade Hall of Fame’s 2013 Nominees

Jerry Butler
Patsy Cline
Foreigner
Merle Haggard
Little Anthony & the Imperials
Van Morrison
Bob Seger
Rod Stewart
Donna Summer
Queen

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 06.15.13 @ 15:18pm


Let's talk about Yes, shall we?


I happen to have seen Yes in concert 3 times and have owned multiple T shirts with the Yes logo on them,

My most sincere condolences on Peter Banks' passing.

As far as Yes is concerned, their work is certainly quite diverse. In my honest opinion, they have quite a few masterpieces amongst their discography, such as: "The Yes Album," "Fragile," "Close To The Edge," "Tales From Topographic Oceans," "Going For The One," "90125," "Keys To Ascension 1 & 2," "Magnification" and "Yes Symphonic." Unfortunately, they also have quite a few "less than great" recordings: "Tormato," "Drama," "Big Generator" and "Fly From Here." Then they have a few albums that leave little to be desired: "Union," "Talk" and "Open Your Eyes." Plus, the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame might be considering the logistics of inducting every member. My guess is that they will center the inductees around those of the Classic Yes era. That means that they will probably include the following members: Jon Anderson, Chris Squire, Steve Howe, Rick Wakeman, Bill Bruford and Alan White. If they include 90125 era Yes, then they would add Trevor Rabin and Tony Kaye to the inductee list. Unfortunately, this may not include Peter Banks, Tony Levin (who deserves a spot with King Crimson), Benoit David, Oliver Wakeman, Geoff Downes, or Trevor Horn. The idea of playing "The Yes Album," "Close To The Edge" and "Going For The One" in their entirety was a great one, that helps expose a new audience to their older classics. Bringing Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman back would probably be a great idea as well. Seeing Yes without Jon Anderson for many fans, would be akin to seeing Rush sans Geddy Lee.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05.6.13 @ 04:02am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 06.15.13 @ 20:02pm


I had committed a faux pas. I am sorry, I had meant 'PastIme Paradise,' not Halftime Paradise.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 06.18.13 @ 01:26am


For those detractors who do not feel that Duran Duran is worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, I would strongly suggest that you check out the following items: "Classic Albums: Rio," "A Diamond In The Mind," "All You Need Is Now," "Astronaut," and "Duran Duran (aka The Wedding Album)"

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 06.18.13 @ 20:15pm


Since somebody had mentioned David Byrne, I thought that it would be appropriate to mention his former group, Talking Heads. I have been an aficionado of Talking Heads music for 26 years. They were one of the.bands that I had basically, for all intents and purposes, discovered on my own. I had started getting into their music after having discovered the 1980's version of King Crimson. Since Talking Heads had influenced the music of King Crimson and Rush, they were definitely worthy of induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. I was glad that they had been inducted more than a decade ago. Perhaps, they also deserve a spot in the Progressive Rock Hall Of Fame also.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 06.21.13 @ 10:14am


Does anybody remember the "New Rolling Stone Record Guide," edited by Dave Marsh and John Swenson, from 1983 (the blue book)?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 06.27.13 @ 08:46am


Naw, but I got the 90's edition. Pretty daft really.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 06.27.13 @ 09:06am


Does anybody remember the "New Rolling Stone Record Guide," edited by Dave Marsh and John Swenson, from 1983 (the blue book)?


Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 06.27.13 @ 08:46am

Yes, it's on Amazon. Used copies for sale.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 06.27.13 @ 10:05am


Yes, I happen to have a copy in my possession. I had to order it on the Internet; my original copy had been borrowed and had never been returned.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 07.4.13 @ 13:01pm


Does anyone remember where Enig posted his list of snubs and such that included Sade, Garth Brooks, and Shania Twain? I thought it was on this thread, but I can't find it.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.7.13 @ 01:31am


Well done Cheesecrop,

Garth Brooks will open up the door for those ladies. Therefore, I would like to amend my 2015 inductees list:

Once again, here is my list for induction in 2015:

Yes
Deep Purple
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Chicago
Garth Brooks
The Eurythmics
Green Day
Phish
Bad Company
Styx

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 07.7.13 @ 03:12am


My personal list would be different than the Rock Hall's choices.

However, these are the 8 acts who are likely to get inducted in 2014:

1. Duran Duran
2. The Moody Blues
3. Carly Simon
4. Sade
5. Electric Light Orchestra
6. Doobie Brothers
7. Foreigner
8. Nirvana

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04.29.13 @ 00:56am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 07.7.13 @ 06:48am


No diss on you, Enig, but I don't think even half those names will be on the ballot.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.7.13 @ 09:52am


Thank you Philip, but do you remember this?

My list of 2013 inductees:

Donna Summer (posthumously)
Heart (two sisters who had dominated a band, whose great singles are still being played on the radio)
Rush (their long term snub is starting to reach critical mass, even Rolling Stone magazine readers are in favor of this. Rush was voted greatest prog rock of all time by their readers). They are ranked third in most consecutive gold and platinum albums behind The Beatles and The Rolling Stones.
Yes (IMHO, if you induct Rush, then you absolutely must induct Yes), but probably not necessarily in 2013.
Yes was instrumental in starting prog rock, plus 90125 was a danceable hit album.

I think that The Moody Blues deserve a nod also, for inventing the "prog rock" genre, but inducting Rush and Supertramp should push the Moodies and Procol Harum, in within the next several years. Compared to the amount of time that they have waited, this will be relatively soon. Technically, Rush is not really heavy metal, and most of their songs are not that hard anyway.

Although one could argue for King Crimson as well,
"ITCOCK," "Red" and "Discipline" are bonafide masterpieces.
Supertramp sold millions of albums, especially "Crime Of The Century" and "Breakfast In America." therefore they are the most likely prog band to get in this year.
Monkees (Davy Jones will be inducted posthumously)
Posted by Keith on Sunday, 06.10.12 @ 02:12am

Of course, the first 3 were inducted as I had said that they would be. Then I was speculating upon the ones who were likely to appear next. I first had to take into consideration who had been most active and had still remained relevant. Both Rush and Heart had remained likely candidates to me. I was not surprised that either had appeared on the nominee's ballot, either. Of course, the passing of Donna Summer had made her a shoo in, in my opinion.



Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 07.7.13 @ 12:26pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32zkIOf7U6Y

Assholes at the Rock Hall leave out Davy Jones of the Monkees from the 2013 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame In Memoriam video

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 07.7.13 @ 23:19pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32zkIOf7U6Y

In Memoriam 2013 video surfaces

Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.8.13 @ 06:53am


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxbMhlzoIk0

Lou Adler induction video surfaces

Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.8.13 @ 06:55am


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOpEXVIcmmk

Don Henley inducts Randy Newman. Video Biography not available yet.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.8.13 @ 06:57am


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwAtxRtO4RU

Spike Lee and Harry Belafonte induct Public Enemy. Induction video not included yet.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.8.13 @ 07:03am


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49UxMBSpOYI

Kelly Rowland inducts Donna Summer

Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.8.13 @ 07:12am


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq4LkaQkSbw

John Mayer inducts Albert King

Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.8.13 @ 08:12am


Thank you, Roy. When all is said and done, after the conclusion of the ceremony, I think that it will be remembered as one of the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame's better efforts.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 07.10.13 @ 09:13am


Davey Jones was in the 2012 In Memoriam

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 07.10.13 @ 10:11am


I do not know really where to place Thin Lizzy and Blue Oyster Cult, my guess would be that they would receive a nomination in the not too distant future (possibly 2016). The probability of induction of the late Phil Lynott would probably be enhanced by a biopic about his life. Do we know if any such proposed movies about Phil's life are in the works?

Blue Oyster Cult is another enigma. Many individuals are most familiar with their hits: 'Don't Fear The Reaper' and 'Burnin' For You.'

Otherwise, I am still standing behind my 2014 and 2015
induction lists.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 07.14.13 @ 14:32pm


Someone recently posted online that Jethro Tull was on the 2014 nominee's list. Does anyone know if this is true?

In another recent article, Ann Wilson of Heart has just endorsed The Moody Blues for the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame induction, add that to the previously mentioned endorsements from Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush and that makes at least 3 present "hall of famers" who want to see The Moody Blues inducted.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 07.19.13 @ 09:55am


Someone recently posted online that Jethro Tull was on the 2014 nominee's list. Does anyone know if this is true?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 07.19.13 @ 09:55am

What's the link?

Posted by Roy on Friday, 07.19.13 @ 10:28am


http://www.noise11.com/news/rolling-stone-ask-readers-to-vote-for-artists-who-should-be-in-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-20130507

Rolling Stone Ask Readers To Vote For Artists Who Should Be In Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame

Posted by Roy on Friday, 07.19.13 @ 10:38am


Considering that the ballot is still a month and a half to two months away from being compiled at the Nominating Committee's meetings, I would say no, it is not true.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 07.19.13 @ 17:31pm


Thank you DarinRG,

I did not put a great deal of emphasis on that statement. I really should have placed the list of my favorite 1970's era songs here instead:

1. Rush- Xanadu (1977)
2. Eagles- Hotel California (1976)
3. Kansas- Miracles Out Of Nowhere (1976)
4. Yes- Awaken (1977)
5. Jethro Tull- Thick As A Brick (1972)
6. Foreigner- Cold As Ice (1977)
7. Fleetwood Mac- Rhiannon (1975)
8. Pink Floyd- Shine On You Crazy Diamond (1975)
9. Queen- Bohemian Rhapsody (1975)
10. Genesis- The Musical Box (1971)
11. Heart- Crazy On You (1976)
12. Styx- Man In The Wilderness (1977)
13. Moody Blues- I'm Just A Singer In A Rock And Roll Band (1972)
14. Yes- Close To The Edge (1972)
15. Jethro Tull- Aqualung (1971)
16. Kansas- Dust In The Wind (1977)
17. Boston- More Than A Feeling (1976)
18. Rush- La Villa Strangiato (1978)
19. Pink Floyd- Time (1973)
20. Yes- Heart Of The Sunrise (1971)
21. Heart- Magic Man (1976)
22. King Crimson- Starless (1974)
23. Styx- Renegade (1978)
24. Rush- Cygnus X-1 Book II Hemispheres (1978)
25. Jethro Tull- Skating Away On The Thin Ice Of The New Day (1974)
26. Pink Floyd- Wish You Were Here (1975)
27. Yes- Roundabout (1971)
28. King Crimson- Book Of Saturday (1973)
29. Rush- Closer To The Heart (1977)
30. Pink Floyd- Echoes (1971)

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 07.14.13 @ 17:28pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 07.24.13 @ 09:19am


As you can see by my previous post, most of those aforementioned songs are of the "progressive rock" and/or progressive rock adjacent persuasion.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 07.24.13 @ 09:24am


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