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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| Power, Who do you see being inducted in 2030 or later in the Performers and Musical Excellence categories?. | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 16:14pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| Richie Put John Mayer in 2029 instead of Beck Not weezer | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 16:14pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| Richie Put Weezer in 2029 instead of Beck | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 16:00pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| Power, You listed Beck twice for both 2028 and 2029 in your predictions for inductees in the next five years (2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2029), Please replace one of the Beck's in one of those years with another act, Thank You. | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 15:50pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| richie Predictions for next 5 years, just for fun. (* means veterans picks for me, ^ means musical excellence) 2025: Phil Collins, Boston, Luther Vandross, Lauryn Hill, Mariah Carey, Cyndi Lauper, Soundgarden*, Iron Maiden*, Warren Zevon^, Devo^, Ashford & Simpson^ 2026: Diana Ross, Lenny Kravitz, Coldplay, Sting, the B-52's, Outkast, WAR, Sade*, John Prine^, Eric B & Rakim^, New York Dolls^, Rick Rubin^ 2027: Roberta Flack, Bryan Adams, TLC, Motley Crue, Gloria Estefan, Wu-Tang Clan, No Doubt, the White Stripes, Jane's Addiction^, Burt Bachrach & Hal David^, the Meters^ 2028: Beyonce, Oasis, Billy Idol, Alanis Morissette, Barry White, Snoop Dogg, Beck, thin Lizzy, the Smiths^, Gram Parsons^, Thom Bell^, Fela Kuti^ 2029: INXS, Alicia Keys, the Smashing Pumpkins, D'Angelo, Beck, Dr. Dre, Motorhead*, Joy Division/New Order*, De La Soul^, Babyface^, Sinead O Connor^ | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 15:32pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| richie, agree with you most. Sade (24) Cyndi Lauper (23) Soundgarden (20, 23) Iron Maiden (21, 23) Mariah Carey (24) Eric B & Rakim (12, 24) (my gut feeling pick, could definitely be wrong) Luther Vandross Coldplay Pixies No Doubt Lauryn Hill Phil Collins TLC Boston Alanis Morissette Inductees: Phil Collins, Boston, Luther Vandross, Lauryn Hill, Mariah Carey, Cyndi Lauper, Soundgarden, Iron Maiden (final two are like veterans picks like Rage, Kate Bush, ATCQ and possibly Spinners, most vote getters almost gurantee final inductees induction in 23 and 24) Musical Excellence: Warren Zevon, Devo, Ashford & Simpson | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 14:31pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| Power, Here are the acts that have received the Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award and have been inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame but are not in the Rock Hall yet: Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award: Diana Ross (solo) (2012), The Meters (2018), Donny Hathaway (2019), Roberta Flack (2020), John Prine (2020), Salt-N-Pepa (2021). Songwriters Hall of Fame: Sting (solo) (2002), Phil Collins (solo) (2003), Cyndi Lauper (2015), John Prine (2019), Mariah Carey (2022), Snoop Dogg (2023), Gloria Estefan (2023), Sade (2023). So Phil Collins (solo), Diana Ross (solo), Roberta Flack, Salt-N-Pepa, Snoop Dogg and Gloria Estefan have enough industry respect to get in FYN if nominated next year and Cyndi Lauper, Mariah Carey and Sade have enough industry respect to get in the next time that they are nominated and also if nominated again next year as well. What do you think?. | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 13:55pm | |
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| About Tammy Wynette, power wrote: | |
| Tammy Wynette recieved grammy lifetime achievement award in this year. Will she get recognitions from rock hall in the future? Usually, if you get Grammy Lifetime Achievement or Songwriters HOF, it means that the industry inner circle guys are focusing on you and want to give you honor. Sade recieved Songwriter HOF recently and then were nominated in this year | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 13:27pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| Tammy Wynette recieved grammy lifetime achievement award in this year. Will she get recognitions from rock hall in the future? Usually, if you get Grammy Lifetime Achievement or Songwriters HOF, it means that the industry inner circle guys are focusing on you and want to give you honor. Sade recieved Songwriter HOF recently and then were nominated in this year | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 13:20pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| So likes of Gram Parsons Merle Haggard Glen Campbell Loretta Lynn Patsy Cline Conway Twitty Kris Kristofferson George Jones Garth Brooks The Chicks Shania Twain John Prine should all be included. | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 13:16pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| So yes country acts are not well represented in rrhof. Country is a very very big genre and 10-20 more country Inductees should be inducted if rock hall really treats country equally as other genres like rap, rnb... | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 13:12pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Mat r wrote: | |
| Power Nah I feel like Sade will have an easier time that Kate Also agree on slayer not anthrax with regards to Megadeth | |
| Friday, 05/31/2024 @ 07:07am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| Power, Who do you think will be the 2025 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees again)?. | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 22:30pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| I feel Sade will be the next Kate Bush, they will be pushed constantly until they are in | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 14:33pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| Richie my guess for likehood in order Sade Eric B Rakim Mariah Carey Lenny Kravitz Oasis Janes Addiction Sinead | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 14:28pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| Power, Which 2024 nominees do you see being nominated/inducted next year for 2025?. | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 14:17pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| As for metal bands, Slayer and Anthrax are way more likely to be included than Megadeth due to connection, despite Megadeth is more popular than these two bands. Because Slayer and Anthrax have more connection (hip hop) | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 14:07pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| The post by Sean is classic and I think it is ultimate answer for many problems Major revelation from this ballot that clarifies some things for me, especially the Mariah Carey snub. Popularity really doesn't matter at all. All that matters is whether the insiders like you. I'm not one of those people who make everything a Jann Wenner conspiracy theory; I know he hasn't been involved much in years. But it is clear that the rock "establishment" has a particular kind of taste in the artists it likes and the artists it doesn't, and it doesn't really have much to do with either popularity or critical acclaim or even genre as much as people still argue those are important criteria when they don't seem to be. If there's somebody the insiders like even if they didn't sell many records (Ramones, Laura Nyro, Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits, etc...) they can get in pretty easily. These acts will usually also be critically acclaimed of course but it's really a small subset of cult artists that the big pop stars and record execs like, and definitely a small sliver of the critically acclaimed artists worthy of nomination. Most indie people were outside of that circle so it makes sense they wouldn't be noticed unless they had a big record executive on their side like Seymour Stein with the Ramones. If there's somebody the insiders like even if they weren't critically acclaimed they can also get in no sweat. We've seen this repeatedly in recent years, including the Peter Frampton and Foreigner inductions right now. In general, maybe the best predictor for induction should simply be how much each artist collaborated with other mainstream artists, since that seems to guide you much more than either popularity (Mariah Carey) or critical acclaim (Oasis). Why Foreigner over Boston (who INVENTED that subgenre of AOR/arena rock/corporate rock, whatever you want to call it)? Because Foreigner had its tentacles all over the rock establishment with their numerous connections all over the place: King Crimson and Mark Ronson and Thomas Dolby and Gary Wright and Junior Walker and Mutt Lange, etc.., etc... Boston were singular artists who did everything by themselves in Tom Scholz's basement and they didn't really ingratiate or hang out or cross over with any of their peers. It has nothing to do with merit exactly; I think Boston is clearly better the band even if they fell off harder, but would they be viewed differently if they had sprinkled their 10 radio songs over 5 albums like Foreigner did instead of 2? Frampton, same thing. It basically comes down to all the people he collaborated with. Lionel Richie, Sheryl Crow, even Willie Nelson, etc... These artists actually aren't selected for popularity amongst the fans as much as popularity with industry people. Maybe as a result, awards show success should be the ultimate predictor (it sure has seemed to be lately with so many Album of the Year winners getting inducted recently). I fear a Toto nomination. The artists who seem to struggle invariably are the artists who don't go to industry functions, don't hang out with their peers, etc... Whether they're popular or not doesn't really matter. Radiohead is popular but doesn't hang out at industry galas. Smashing Pumpkins and Oasis were way more popular than many of the '90s acts the industry likes, but enough people hate their leaders' irascible personalities to not want to vote for them, while somebody objectively less popular who the industry likes like Kravitz will have a better shot. Again, Kravitz has tons of crossovers with other insiders. The acts that tend to not do well (and even the genres that tend to not do well: prog, metal, alternative, indie) don't really tend to collaborate as much with people outside those genres. I don't think rap will ever have the same problem to that extent as it is a collaborative medium in general. The only problem there is probably the age of the voters. Even the new wave acts that got in followed this model: Robert Smith did collaborations and The Cure got in. Dave Stewart's industry respect got the Eurythmics in. The ones who were off by themselves without powerful friends (B-52's, Devo, Joy Division/New Order) don't seem to do as well. You'd think the B-52's would have powerful friends in R.E.M. but they seem to have weirdly lost clout in recent years and I'm not sure why. If popularity really was the deciding factor, Carey would have gotten in no sweat especially since she did have massive influence, but she was clearly offputting to insiders in a way Whitney Houston wasn't even though Carey was probably objectively more deserving (more popular, more influential, she also wrote her stuff, and her crossovers with rap artists probably broke some ground; even as far as the rockists are concerned, she made that alt album and did those classic rock cover songs). Blige got in instead because she was more liked by peers apparently (and a big hint of course was her making the ballot first), although this could be one where the critical acclaim made up the difference (which I think still occasionally happens). There does seem to be a major distaste towards anything that could qualify as adult contemporary getting inducted, but I'd probably say Whitney is much more defined by her AC work than Mariah is. So ultimately, again it's not really a genre thing. You can be considered off-genre and get inducted if your peers like you. You can be a core artist and even be more popular and never get inducted if they don't. Carey of course will get in. She does have tons of industry people who like her, but she did lose Album of the Year to Alanis Morissette at the Grammys, which begs the question... would Alanis have a better shot? Popularity is certainly CORRELATED with industry insiders liking you (considering popular artists make a lot of money for big record labels), and critical acclaim is also correlated with industry insiders liking you (to a much smaller extent, and usually it seems to only be in the singer-songwriter, not the "band" milieu), but it doesn't seem to be much of a criterion in itself and people should probably stop thinking it is. | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 13:59pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, N P wrote: | |
| K-Dawg, I completely agree. Rock and Roll is not rock music. It's popular music, it's a spirit. However rock music is at the core and heart of Rock and Roll. That's why genres like gospel, blues, and rnb make sense in the Hall because that's where Rock came from. And plenty of artists like Elvis for instance incorporated those genres in their "rock" music. Genres like hip hop and pop are a direct result of rock music which is also why I believe they belong in the hall. The problem isn't that so many genres are allowed in the hall. It's that acts that are missing the spirit of rock and roll are getting inducted or nominated. I won't call out any names but a lot of recent acts nominated or inducted don't have the spirit component. There needs to be a certain edge to an act for them to get inducted. There needs to still be a certain inclusivity. Theirs plenty of artists who are black/people of color/women or from another genre who have the spirit and are worthy of being in the hall. The voters just need to take their time evaluating who those acts are instead of making it a popularity contest. | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 12:49pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, xwing1212 wrote: | |
| I'll finish by saying maybe the Sex Pistols had a point when they called the Rock Hall a "piss stain" and "urine in wine." | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 12:38pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, xwing1212 wrote: | |
| The side categories have become a complete joke that even the Rock Hall's definitions don't even make sense. Musical Excellence should be reserved for side musicians who would never get nominated on the main ballot. It should not be a "Performers B" category for artists who can't get voted in on the main ballot. Jimmy Buffett's spot should have been given to someone like Carol Kaye or Mick Ronson. You know, actual session musicians which the category was originally made for. Not a constellation prize for the performer category. | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 12:33pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Alec Tess wrote: | |
| Trust me I hate it too but that's just the way it goes now | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 12:29pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, xwing1212 wrote: | |
| And maybe the institution should be renamed the "Popular Music Hall of Fame" to reflect how much of a farce it has become. | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 12:24pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, xwing1212 wrote: | |
| If that's the way the Rock Hall is going to go than maybe it is a joke of an institution. No wonder Mark Knopfler and the other members of Radiohead snubbed them. | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 12:23pm | |
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| About The Big Bopper, Martyn Gillie THE UK BIG BOPPER wrote: | |
| I have been doing a tribute to The Big Bopper here in the uk for over 20 years now and I can honestly say that his music still attracts people of all ages. He was far more than a one hit wonder or being remembered for being in the plane crash with Buddy and Richie. His song " Someone Who's Watching over You Tonight " is hauntingly beautiful. I'm proud to carry on bringing his music to a new generation of fans. Here's my version of Little Red Riding Hood https://www.smule.com/sing-recording/675554173_4846314425 | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 11:36am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Alec Tess wrote: | |
| Power Plus Judas Priest and now Jimmy Buffett | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 11:33am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Greg F wrote: | |
| If the rock purists want a Rock Music Hall of Fame they should establish one instead of trying to get the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to change their name to the Music Hall of Fame. | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 11:17am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| xwing1212 LL Cool J is an arena tour act but he still was inducted through ME | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 10:27am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, xwing1212 wrote: | |
| Giving Musical Excellence to a band that can sell out a stadium does not feel right. | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 10:21am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| So I'm curious about who votes for the likes of the RS 500 list, it seems their voting group has no relation to the Rock Hall's voting body. If only Rock Hall voting body were casting the votes for RS 500 list, Lionel Richie, Foreigner, Doobie Brothers would have several albums listed, whereas bands like JD/NO, the Smiths, and the Pixies might not make the list at all. | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 08:05am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, K-Dawg wrote: | |
| and for the millionth time... It's the rock and roll hall of fame. Rock AND ROLL. We know what rock is, but not many know roll. Since the beginnings of the 1950s, rock and roll music has been inspired by jazz, soul, blues, and countless other genres. Chuck Berry, Little Richard, even Elvis Presley--from the beginning, it wasn't exclusively rock music. People don't grasp the concept of what rock and roll is, because their brains stop after the first word. Rock, pop, hip hop, rap, you name it--it's all influenced from the same areas. I really laugh every time it gets said "call it the music hall of fame", because we aren't gonna race over to nominate every single instrument or voice, nor should we. It stays in its lane, and that's fine. The fact that someone on this almost universally educated on the subject board mentioned that silly suggestion is maddening. | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 02:22am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, K-Dawg wrote: | |
| I think Ozzy opens the door for Motorhead, or more personally, I hope Pantera gets a look... | |
| Thursday, 05/30/2024 @ 02:16am | |
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| About Sonny and Cher, Dave Differton wrote: | |
| Only time will tell but it seems unlikely Sonny & Cher will not get in. Nearly impossible to believe they are not in but look how long it took them to get Cher in as a Solo artist. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Cher have never mixed well, and it is a huge shame. | |
| Wednesday, 05/29/2024 @ 21:14pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Alec Tess wrote: | |
| Iron Maiden should be a near lock to get Musical Excellence at least right? | |
| Wednesday, 05/29/2024 @ 21:09pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, xwing1212 wrote: | |
| Here's another thought. Where does the Rock Hall go next year with heavy metal with Ozzy Osbourne in? Do they go back to nominating bands like Iron Maiden and Motörhead or do they go for more hard rock acts in the vein of Van Halen/Def Leppard with Motley Crue and the Scorpions? | |
| Wednesday, 05/29/2024 @ 18:09pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Alec Tess wrote: | |
| xwing1212 A lot of the Rock purtists for some reason don't think Rage Agaisnt or Green Day should be in because of their politics or that Kansas or Three Dog Night are more deserving and are better betters (with no exceptions) and should have gotten in right away Kinda funny that a good amount of Rock purists at least from I have seen that criticize the Hall for that are a bunch of right wing Bible thumpers so I guess it makes sense Also I honestly am probably one of the few that thought the Hall would shove Rage through the Musical Excellence route in 2023 and give their eventually Performers spot to either Soundgarden or Warren Zevon | |
| Wednesday, 05/29/2024 @ 12:59pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Alec Tess wrote: | |
| Al Woodruff Here is why it would be so stupid to rename it the "Music Hall of Fame" just because I don't know Foghat isn't in 1.It would cost money The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame museum in Cleveland itself I believe cost millions of dollars to be built and you probably get the same amount of money when it goes through all those renovations and expansions it goes through every year It probably cost million something dollars to even move it to Cleveland and to have these luxurious induction ceremonies The city of Cleveland would lose a good deal of money if they decided to lose one of its most important tourist attractions in the city and I dont think that anyone would be calling for the "Music Hall of Fame" or "Pop Music Hall of Fame" to be in Cleveland And to move it to Los Angeles or something like that? Well you do the math lol Basically it would cost the taxpayers of the city of Cleveland and the state of Ohio extra amount of money for such a type of thing 2.Rock acts would be even more snubbed for a even wider ranges of genres A hypothetical place that calls itself the "Music Hall of Fame" will unfortunately still snub acts like Boston or Styx now in favor for classical and Pre Rock n Roll Pop acts like Mozart,Yo Yo Ma,John Williams,Wayne Newton,Hans Zimmer and Bing Crosby you know acts that no one what so ever is calling Rock n Roll or has credibility of Rock n Roll 3.It wouldn't be good for marketing and public relations 4.Just calling it "The Music Hall of Fame" would be broad and boring | |
| Wednesday, 05/29/2024 @ 12:52pm | |
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| About Looking Glass, Andy wrote: | |
| If you have a song that hits #1, even for a week, you should be in. The song Brandy struck a chord with enough people to hit #1. It has been used in many movie and commercial soundtracks since. The musicians in Looking Glass all talented. | |
| Wednesday, 05/29/2024 @ 10:54am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, al woodruff wrote: | |
| It is crazy name for RRHOF. Most of the inductees are not Rock& Rollers! They should be ashamed that Johnny Maestro and the Crests have not been inducted! I have no respect for the RRHOF. It should named the Music Hall of Fame! | |
| Wednesday, 05/29/2024 @ 08:49am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Mat r wrote: | |
| Power I don't think it's hostility really but embarrassment linked to teens on twitter saying "who is beck" | |
| Wednesday, 05/29/2024 @ 08:40am | |
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