The 2020 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

The 2020 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees were officially announced on Wednesday, January 15th at 8am, after inadvertantly being revealed by RockHall.com a day earlier. The induction ceremony will be back in Cleveland on April 14th.

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Looks like the leak proved credible again. They tried to cover it up, but it was the first six they did that with that made it.

Kinda bummed no other inductees in other categories, but at least they didn't back door Kraftwerk or MC5.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 07:04am


So the leak was correct. The top 2 in the fan vote missed out. Really surprised about Pat Benatar.

Thrilled for Whitney, Nine Inch Nails, T-Rex and Depeche Mode.

And no Soundgarden, but at least Dave Matthews didn't get in first.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 07:07am


Oops spoke too soon. Don't know if I agree too heavily with those two, mainly for conflict of interest, but... there's an argument for them.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 07:08am


I screamed like I was at a Whitney concert when her name was called! :D

Stunned that the Doobies were the only ones on the top five to get in.

Pat is not as popular as we thought.

But some of my personal picks got in. :)

And no Kraftwerk as Musical Excellence lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 07:11am


The Ups: Biggie, Whitney, NIN, Depeche Mode, and T. Rex are finally in.

The Downs: the fan ballot is rigged when they shoulda omit the Doobies in favor of Dave Matthews Band who had the most votes from the general public, it's six acts this year again rather than seven, and Pat Benatar has been snubbed again, The Hall is gonna get roasted on those things the most.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 07:11am


Had I discovered the way the inductees leak before last year, we may have been able to know them a day in advance for years now. But whatever, it's still a pleasure to know them early now and probably going forward.

I can see why everyone just assumed Pat Benatar = Classic Rock and figured she was an automatic inductee, bit she isn't really much of an icon like Joan Jett or Stefie Nicks. Had a run of hits and not much of it has aged particularly well.

The Heavy Metal/Hard Rock logjam is the real story here as it ended up being so much worse than we thought. The least "hard" act of the bunch was the only one to make it through (T Rex - a band with Roxy Music-like credentials that was sorely underrated in people's predictions, just like the former). Benatar, Soundgarden, Motorhead, Priest and Thin Lizzy all stabbed each other in the neck.

My point about black artists being above a certain line of overall influence stands true in that they are easily inducted. The black voters vote for them en masse and then some critics and guitar band inductees join in to get them over the line. Bill Withers yes, Joe Tex no. LL Cool J no, Biggie yes. Chaka no, Whitney yes. The only truly borderline candidate proved to be Janet Jackson.

Real progress out of all this is that New Wave-era acts continue to get in easily at this point if they were a big name. A voting body that inducts The Cure will obviously induct The Mode. An acolyte of theirs, NIN, getting in is truly something to behold and akin to Radiohead getting inducted last year. Clearly the voters are emphasizing groundbreaking innovation over mass popularity when it comes to 90s acts. This bodes better for Bjork and Beck than it does for Weezer and Soundgarden.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 07:35am


Um, the Pitchfork article says that Irving Azoff and Jon Landau are being inducted with the Ahmet Ertegun award (a.k.a non-performer induction).

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 07:41am


While nobody is going to argue against the credentials of Azoff and Landau, both of their inductions feel very "inside baseball" because they have a lot of ties to the Rock Hall foundation. I don't believe either is inducted on this website in our fan projects and it comes at the expense of the actual songwriters and producers that shaped the sound of rock and roll (although Landau did produce some Springsteen records if I remember correctly).

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 07:47am


Call me crazy, but the Doobie Brothers seem to be the headlining act. Biggest hits, the act the boomers want to see and the most traditional of the six. It also helps that two of the solo inductees are dead and one band, T. Rex, has had a deceased frontman for decades.

Is this the least guitar-oriented class ever? A pop and rap inductee along with two from the electronic universe.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 07:51am


Depeche Mode to open, Doobies to close, Nine Inch Nails and Biggie for when the old white dudes need to go pee.

Or maybe Springsteen and Co. will close as Landau is "headliner"

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 08:08am


Ideas for speakers/inductors.....

Depeche Mode: Moby

The Doobie Brothers: Donald Fagen of Steely Dan

Whitney Houston: Mariah Carey (a speech from her could lead to a nomination for her next year)

Nine Inch Nails: Marilyn Manson

The Notorious B.I.G. Sean "P. Diddy" Combs

T. Rex: Elton John

Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 08:25am


Quick thoughts! Congrats to Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails after a few nominations . Both should put on an exemplary set at Induction Ceremony. All those The Cure voters and Roxy Music members probably helped both groups vault towards Induction. Very surprised by Pat Benatar falling short on her 1st nomination. She's had plenty of support since October in the FAN voting and general support here from the FRL Regulars. She will be back next ballot. Richie finally got one right with Dave Matthews Band not receiving Induction. They DMB should be back next cycle. I'm surprised Notorious BIG was inducted with this stacked ballot. I don't think many of the rock or metal bands voted for him. Whitney Houston is bittersweet as she has been dead several years now but deserves this honor. I wonder if Kevin Costner will be 1 of her presenters with Clive Davis. Maybe, Dionne Warwick. This paves the way for a Mariah Carey nomination. I am probably happiest for Depeche Mode. They check most of the boxes for Induction. Disappointed for Judas Priest. They should return next cycle. Many here were right on T. REX and their large influence on the voting block. They collected plenty of votes. I'd give this class a solid B. Pat Benatar and Judas Priest I was pulling for their induction. 2021 is shaping up to be 1 of the best classes with DMB, Soundgarden, Judas Priest, Pat Benatar returning plus no-brainer selections Jay-Z and The Foofighters. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 08:27am


I will say, Depeche Mode going in opens the door for Enig's critical darling Duran Duran for sure next year.

Said my initial reaction on the nominees page before I figured out they opened this board up. FRL, with your new layout, you need to include a link to this forum.

In a nutshell, they were going to get a bit of it right unless they went the Cheap Trick route and inducted Thin Lizzy, and (although personally I feel deserving) Motorhead. Bands who fly under the radar and appease the classic rockheads more than those that want a full body of work. However, the logjam, and this very much includes metal, mentioned by Casper is a concern. For me personally, and feelings always change, I can accept more of a rock-heavy ballot next year at this point. Part of me thinks Mariah gets a nod, though...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 08:57am


I also originally posted on the nominees page. I'll re-post here.


I've got mixed emotions about this group. My personal top two (Pat Benatar and DMB) didn't make it, so I'm disappointed about that, but the ones who got in are all deserving enough. I think I'd have liked the class better If they had just one more artist inducted. I get the Whitney induction, even if I wouldn't have put her in myself. Straight up classic rock fans are going to hate this class, as only the Doobies and T. Rex will fit their tastes. And the hard rock acts got completely left out, which is surprising since that seemed to be the general flavor of the ballot in the first place. There's always going to be complaints regarding any class of inductees, but between the fan vote disparity and the lack of classic/hard rock representation, there's going to be a LOT of backlash about this group.

KING and K-Dawg have already suggested between them that Pat Benatar, DMB, Soundgarden, Jay-Z, Foo Fighters, and Duran Duran could be on next year's ballot. That would be a pretty good class of inductees right there.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 09:16am


I guess there is no getting around that Jay Z and the Foo Fighters are automatic inductees next year. The latter is leapfrogging so so so many acts that were way more innovative. But like RHCP and Green Day, Foo Fighters had a super successful 00's decade and thus will be a lock since there have been hardly any mega-popular rock acts in the 21st century that garnered any sort of acclaim.

The Azoff and Landau inductions are starting to feel a bit more annoying when we consider that another Performer could have been inducted at the live show instead.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 09:20am


This post is for Donnie, K-Dawg, Phillip, KING, Ben, Caspar, Tim, remy10, Greg. F, Follower and Enig.

Here's the latest update on the 100 hundred most certified BANDS in America with the inclusion of singles and video albums. With the Doobies, NIN, and Depeche Mode now in, they're now off the list and replaced by RATM, the Goo Goo Dolls and SOAD who are at the very bottom. I also had to recount Lady Antebellum's total to include their certified video album and their newest gold single. Hope you guys enjoy the list!

1. Maroon 5- 79.5 Million
2. Linkin Park- 63.6 Million
3. Florida Georgia Line- 56 Million
4. Twenty One Pilots- 48.5 Million
5. Alabama- 46.8 Million
6. Foreigner- 45.5 Million
7. Panic! At the Disco- 38 Million
8. Coldplay- 36.6 Million
9. Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million
10. Rascal Flatts- 33.7 Million
11. Zac Brown Band- 33.5 Million
12. Fall Out Boy- 33 Million
13. Dixie Chicks- 32.8 Million
14. Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million
15. Boston- 31 Million
16. Imagine Dragons- 30 Million
17. The Carpenters- 29.6 Million
18. Lady Antebellum- 28.05 Million
19. Nickelback- 27.8 Million
20. Motley Crue- 26.8 Million
21. REO Speedwagon- 26 Million
22. Creed- 26 Million
23. Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million
24. 3 Doors Down- 24.5 Million
25. OneRepublic- 24 Million
26. Sade- 23.5 Million
27. Kansas- 23 Million
28. Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million
29. Paramore- 22 Million
30. Fun- 22 Million
31. Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million
32. Daughtry- 20 Million
33. The Fray- 20 Million
34. Three Days Grace- 20 Million
35. The Monkees- 18 Million
36. Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million
37. Styx- 17.5 Million
38. Korn- 17.25 Million
39. Limp Bizkit- 17 Million
40. Bad Company- 16.650 Million
41. Disturbed- 16.5 Million
42. Casting Crowns- 16.5 Million
43. Shinedown - 16.050 Million
44. Sugarland- 16 Million
45. INXS- 16 Million
46. Wings- 16 Million
47. Poison- 15.750 Million
48. No Doubt- 15.6 Million
49. Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million
50. Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million
51. The Offspring- 15 Million
52. The Cranberries- 15 Million
53. The Band Perry- 14.5 Million
54. Evanescence- 14.5 Million
55. Duran Duran- 14 Million
56. Toto- 14 Million
57. My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million
58. Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million
59. Breaking Benjamin- 13.5 Million
60. Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million
61. Dan + Shay 13.5 Million
62. Counting Crows- 13 Million
63. Skilliet- 13 Million
64. Whitesnake- 12.650 Million
65. The Killers- 12.6 Million
66. MercyMe- 12.6 Million
67. Survivor- 12.5 Million
68. Blink 182- 12.1 Million
69. Live- 12 Million
70. Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million
71. Little Big Town- 11.5 Million
72. Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million
73. Savage Garden- 11.5 Million
74. Judas Priest- 11.1 Million
75. Scorpions- 11.1 Million
76. All American Rejects- 11.1 Million
77. Loverboy- 11 Million
78. Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million
79. Owl City- 11 Million
80. Three Dog Night- 11 Million
81. X Ambassadors- 11 Million
82. Godsmack- 10.6 Million
83. Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million
84. 38 Special- 10.5 Million
85. Florence and the Machine- 10.5 Million
86. Bush- 10.5 Million
87. Muse- 10.5 Million
88. Men at Work- 10.5 Million
89. The Black Keys- 10.5 Million
90. Slipknot- 10.2 Million
91. Staind- 10.050 Million
92. Sublime- 10 Million
93. Clean Bandit- 10 Million
94. Air Supply- 9.5 Million
95. Foster the People- 9.5 Million
96. 5 Seconds of Summer- 9.5 Million
97. Tool- 9.3 Million
98. Rage Against the Machine- 9.3 Million
99. Goo Goo Dolls- 9.1 Million
100. System of the Down- 9 Million

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 09:20am


With Jay-Z next year and Eminem the year after, it looks like LL Cool J will be waiting awhile to get back on the ballot. Unless they put multiple hip hop artists on.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 09:42am


Thoughts about this class:

1. I feel pretty good about it. T-Rex, Depeche Mode and Whitney Houston were big additions and personal favorites. I also am happy that NIN starts to chip away at the backlog of early 90s slam dunks. Biggie makes sense with rap becoming more prominent down the road and The Doobie Brothers were inevitable but deserving. I did not think 7 inductees was likely this year, and was happy to see 6 rather than 5. This is a solid class.

2. No Kraftwerk. As happy as I am to see Depeche in it is ridiculous they got in first. I am thankful they didn't shoehorn Kraftwerk in as an Early Influence but I also wonder if they will ever get in as performers. I have a hard time believing they will ever finish in the top 5 of a ballot like this.

3. The fan vote will not be a reliable predictor any longer. I am astounded only one of the top five was inducted. Looking at public comments on other sites there is a lot of Rage Against the Machine. I suppose this was going to happen some day but wow. Kudos to those who called Dave Matthews not getting in.

4. I agree with others that Jay-Z, Duran Duran and possibly Mariah Carey seem closer now. Hopefully Pat Benatar, Soundgarden and Judas Priest quickly return to the ballot. The MC5 needs to go in or go away. Still some big 60s acts that I hope are not completely forgotten. Their odds are slipping by the year. Basically we had two 70s acts, two 80s acts and two 90s acts get in today, although Whitney and Depeche stretch into the 90s and beyond.

5. Slap in the face to hard rock and metal. Judas Priest and/or Iron Maiden are really huge snubs at this point. Probably overkill to have that many hard rock acts on one ballot but it is tough to see none of them advance. I don't really count T-Rex in that group.

6. Bored with the Azoff and Landau choices, although I won't argue against them. Judas Priest, Pat Benatar or Chaka Khan would have made this class much more exciting to me.

7. I got 4 out of 6 predictions right, and T-Rex was my last cut-off in favor of Dave Matthews, so I feel pretty good. Like everyone else Pat Benatar was the shocker. Hopefully she or the Go-Gos get another shot next year.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 10:12am


I'm upset about there being only one of the top 5 from the fan vote.

Otherwise, I'm ok with this. Looks like Team DMB will be the first fan vote winner not to be inducted wins.

Let me try to rationalize them:

DMB are both too recent and compared to most of the others, marginal. Most people only predicted them because of the fan vote win.

The other 3 were hard rock acts in a ballot full of so many hard rock acts that only the non-hard rock acts got in. (NIN might count as Hard Rock though.)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 10:17am


First of all, shout out to for breaking the news of the website error code clues that leaked the nominees early!

I'd like to ask this question:
Given that the results this year give definitive proof that the HOF powers that be don't give a damn about the only voting results that we are given any visible results on (the winners of the kiosk vote did not get nominated, and then the winners of the online fan vote did not get inducted); why should any of us just believe At face value that the six acts being inducted actually won the secret ballot voting that we don't get any actual visible count of?

I'd also like to ask: given the embark Gender imbalance of the HOF; who looked at this list of nominees and said, "you know what this class really needs to round it out? Two more men!"
They tried to justify the small number of women nominees this year by saying it would consolidate votes to improve chances of induction. They did manage to make room for a woman that happens to be one of the top 15 selling artists of all time though, to try to make themselves feel inclusive.

This HOF is an outright misogynistic institution.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 10:22am


Time to update my Ledgends of Rock (Book) look, now that two acts are getting in:

Inducted before the book was published:

AC/DC
Aerosmith
The Allman Brothers Band
The Band
The Beach Boys
The Beatles
Chuck Berry
Black Sabbath
Blondie
David Bowie
James Brown
The Byrds
Eric Clapton
The Clash
Elvis Costello
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Crosby, Stills, and Nash
Bo Diddley
The Doors
Bob Dylan
Eagles
Aretha Franklin
Grateful Dead
Jimi Hendrix
Buddy Holly
Jefferson Airplane
Elton John
Janis Joplin
The Kinks
Led Zeppelin
Jerry Lee Lewis
Little Richard
The Mamas and The Papas
Bob Marley
Joni Mitchell
Van Morrison
Parliament-Funkadelic
Pearl Jam
Tom Petty
Pink Floyd
The Police
Elvis Presley
The Pretenders
Prince
Queen
Ramones
R.E.M.
The Rolling Stones
The Ronetts (Their induction is mentioned in the book)
Santana
Sex Pistols
Simon and Garfunkel
Sly and The Family Stone
Patti Smith
Steely Dan
Bruce Springsteen
Talking Heads
Ike and Tina Turner
Van Halen
The Velvet Underground
The Who
Stevie Wonder
Neil Young
Frank Zappa
ZZTop

Inducted after the book was published:
Alice Cooper
The Cure
Donovan
Small Faces/The Faces
Guns N' Roses
KISS
John Mellencamp
Metallica
Nine Inch Nails
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Radiohead
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Roxy Music
Steve Miller Band (Sort of)
T. Rex
Tom Waits

Not Inducted:
Beck
Captain Beefhart
Jefferson Starship and Starship (The book grouped all three bands in one, the Hall did not)
Carole King (though she is in as a songwriter)
New York Dolls
Gram Parsons
Pixies
Iggy Pop (though The Stooges are in)
Jonathan Richman and The Modern Lovers
The Shangri-La's (Though Leader of the Pack got in the Singles Category)
The Smiths
Television
Weezer
(The White Stripes and Wilco aren't old enough)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 10:41am


I found out this there are 7 dead inductees; Biggie, Whitney, 3 members of T. Rex, and 2 members of the Doobie Brothers. That's almost a record breaker!

The record for class with the most dead (at the time) inductees is 1987, with Eddie Cochran, Marvin Gaye, Bill Haley, Clyde McPhatter, Ricky Nelson, Big Joe Turner, Muddy Waters, and Jackie Wilson all being dead in 1987.

The hall also inducted 7 dead people in 2001: Ritchie Valens, Freddie Mercury, and various members of The Flamingos.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/a-near-record-7-posthumous-inductions-may-cast-a-shadow-over-this-years-rock-hall-induction-ceremony/ar-BBYZaf3?ocid=spartandhp

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 11:15am


Also it's the first time since 2013 when there have been multiple dead inductees: Biggie and Whitney this year, Albert King and Donna Summer in 2013.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 11:17am


With Depeche Mode now in, the New Wave train should look like this in the next seven years.

2021: Duran Duran
2022: INXS
2023: B-52's
2024: Eurythmics
2025: Tears For Fears
2026: Devo
2027: Joy Division/New Order

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 12:13pm


@The Dude, I think you have it out of order. I would bet on Joy Division/New Order, The Smiths, and DEVO being the next three (not necessarily in that order), followed by Duran/B-52s/Eurythmics, then INXS/Tears.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 12:30pm


Soundgarden was snubbed....disappointed for sure.

Posted by MTS on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 13:10pm


@ RG

The Smiths had never been a new wave band; they were a standard 80's Alt-rock/Porto-Hipster band. Two of the members from Duran Duran inducted Roxy Music last year who I think will be next. Joy Division/New Order and Devo are maybe beloved by critics but the general public and/or casual listeners only know them for "Whip It" and "Blue Monday," making them more tougher to induct. It ain't easy to induct bands who only have one local radio staple. Sums up why it took a long ass time for Deep Purple, The Zombies, maybe Roxy Music, and most recently T. Rex to get in.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 13:18pm


The Dude,

I remember a few years ago someone from the Hall said that they go back and forth between The Smiths, Depeche Mode, and The Cure. Since two of those are in now, it looks like The Smiths will be nominated next year, even if they weren't necessarily New Wave.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 13:20pm


The Dude,

I remember a few years ago someone from the Hall said that they go back and forth between The Smiths, Depeche Mode, and The Cure. Since two of those are in now, it looks like The Smiths will be nominated next year, even if they weren't necessarily New Wave.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 13:20pm


@ Follower

I don't think that's always the case cause you need to make sure if the votes are there or not before you nominate a certain act. If they don't start with bands who are more marketable like Duran Duran and INXS first in the next few years from now, then it's possible Joy Division/New Order would get multiple nominations and not get in as a FYN.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 13:42pm


I know we don't like it when they bend the rules, but just backdoor Kraftwerk already. The voters just don't get it that they are one of the most important bands of all time as far as influence.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 14:24pm


I know it's really early, but besides the obvious two FYE locks/shoo-ins in Foo Fighters and Jay-Z, who do you guys see being nominated next year for the 2021 class?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 15:07pm


Currently, I'm expecting next year's class to look like this.

Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Thin Lizzy
Dionne Warwick
Boston: The Next Irving Azoff Pet Project

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 15:13pm


I'm thinking that Depeche Mode's induction will either lead to The Smiths again (although they may be some controversy with Morrissey) or it'll go to another new wave act that's already been nominated - someone like Eurythmics or Devo. The Replacements could maybe get another look as well. In my ideal world, Joy Division would be next (and then New Order in a separate induction would come afterwards).

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 15:19pm


God only knows, but I'd guess they'll start with Pat Benatar and DMB, since they led the fan vote and didn't make it this year. Throw in a couple 90's acts who've been previously nominated like Smashing Pumpkins, Jane's Addiction, or Soundgarden. Give Beck his first nom. Add some 70's & 80's alt/new wave. Perhaps Duran Duran, the B-52's, or the Smiths. Address some of the classic rock backlog with Supertramp, Foreigner, or Boston. I'd like to see Barry White nominated again and KC and the Sunshine Band get a shot (no laughing please). Hopefully more female artists, possibly Cyndi Lauper, Sinead O' Connor, TLC, or Alanis Morissette. Give Judas Priest a break in hard rock/metal and go with Iron Maiden instead. Give Todd Rundgren another shot or replace him with a mellower artist like Jim Croce or America. Then throw in a curve ball like Big Star or Television. I'd like to see 17-18 artists nominated.

Or I'm completely wrong. Definitely one of the two.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 15:34pm


I'd really hate to see Joy Division/New Order get nominated and inducted separately. Both incarcerations in one group needs to get in despite the differences musically.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 15:35pm


As more of a rock and roll purist, not particularly happy with this class, but it was not unexpected. I had picked 4 out of the 6 for induction, with T.Rex and Nine Inch Nails being the two I had not. T. Rex's selection was somewhat of a pleasant surprise. Of the long list of nominees, I would have voted only for two of these, Depeche Mode and the Doobie Brothers.

So, what do these inductions bode for the future?

T. Rex being selected paves the way perhaps for Mott the Hoople, but more likely Duran Duran.

Notorious B.I.G.'s induction makes Jay-Z even more of a lock for next year.

Whitney Houston's induction increases the likelihood of the dreadful Mariah Carey making the ballot, although it may be several years until that happens, as I think Carey is generally disliked throughout the music community. Although her fan base will point out how many number one records Mariah has, I think it is fairly well-known that quite a few of her number one records hit number one due to chart chicanery and deep discounting of singles at a financial loss at a time in which unit sales were the only criteria for Billboard chart positions. Although I personally don't think Whitney Houston belongs in the Rock and Roll Hall fame (with that being the purist's objection that she has little to do with Rock and Roll), Whitney was a terrific singer. I find Mariah ughsome, other than her Christmas song. Whitney being in would increase the chance for a solo Tina Turner nomination as well.

The Doobie Brothers being in may clear the way for some other deserving 70's acts, perhaps Jethro Tull or the Guess Who.

Depeche Mode being in would benefit the Smiths, maybe even Kraftwerk (one could hope), Eurythmics, and Kate Bush.

Nine Inch Nails were going to eventually make it. I see Rage Against the Machine and Beck as beneficiaries from NIN getting in.

I think there will be a Pat Benatar backlash and it will propel her to be nominated and inducted next year. I would have bet heavily on Pat making it, but until she does, that puts other deserving female inductees, including Cyndi Lauper, Bjork and Kate Bush, on hold.

Also, proponents of Judas Priest and Iron Maiden should try to limit the number of hard rock nominees on next year's ballot, so that votes for them wouldn't be diluted, which is what I think happened this year.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 15:37pm


I'd really hate to see Joy Division/New Order get nominated and inducted separately. Both incarnations in one group needs to get in despite the differences musically.

EDITED

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 15:37pm


Agreed. It would compare it to the Parliament/Funkadelic induction where, yes, they are separate artists with separate catalogs, but they belong in the Hall together.

Posted by Michael W. on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 16:05pm


So let's check the final scoreboard for the day.

Pissed off guitar rock fans: Check

Pissed off women: Check

Pissed of massive Dave Matthews fan base: Check.

Pissed off anyone who voted for Dave Matthews, Pat Benatar, Judas Priest or Soundgarden in the fan vote: Check

Just another day for the Rock Hall.

Posted by remy10 on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 16:08pm


I'll agree to disagree with you there, Dude & Michael. Parliament and Funkadelic not only shared a similar sound and interchangeable members, but they co-existed at the same time. With Joy Division and New Order, not only are their sounds different, but there was a clear beginning and end with one and then another beginning with the other. But judging by how the Hall treated the Small Faces/Faces, they'll probably do the same with Joy Division/New Order, although at least with the Small Faces/Faces, they had the same basic name.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 16:15pm


There's been debate around here about possibly doing an all female ballot; but if we can't get that, how about an "all stuff voters usually snub" ballot with a few influential early artists that aren't big names, some 70s R&B and Disco, a bunch of women, maybe some more jambands, and some Metal and noisy punk rock.

Let's force them to choose 5 or 6 from a ballot something like this:
B-52s
Pat Benatar
Bjork
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan
Dead Kennedies
Dick Dale
Judas Priest
King Crimson
The Marvelettes
Motorhead
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Sonic Youth
The Spinners
Big Mama Thornton
Link Wray

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 16:31pm


I know it's really early, but besides the obvious two FYE locks/shoo-ins in Foo Fighters and Jay-Z, who do you guys see being nominated next year?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 16:41pm


I see them going back for Rage Against the Machine again. Maybe Weezer or Beck.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 17:13pm


It's been said before but, despite their worthy qualifications, Irving Azoff and Jon Landau's inductions just reek of cronyism. I don't want to view it as such, especially when the two in general are worthy of induction but the Hall of Fame could've used the extra time to go for some Early Influence names (although I would've hated Kraftwerk getting in this way) or include a 7th or 8th inductee.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 17:18pm


Here's something interesting I wanna ask y'all if you're okay with the kiosk and the fan ballot rigged: Did you guys voted for Hillary Clinton four years ago and still feel down about the fact Donald Trump won his first presidential election? If so, then you need to admit that you're being hypocritical. The Rock Hall treats both the kiosk and fan ballot like how the US government handles the popular votes with the electoral college.

That's what alienation looks like.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 17:49pm


No, The Dude, it's not the same, and thus is not being hypocritical. For one thing, I don't believe the fan ballot or kiosk was rigged. The scale and setup is completely different, and in the end, the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame doesn't encourage xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, and won't bring us to the brink or war with Iran, while trying to gut the country like a trout for personal gain.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 18:43pm


No, It's actually the same thing no matter how much you're okay with it. If you don't give what the majority from the general public wants the most, then it will hurt - or even worse ruin - your relevance.

The Hall sure alienated a lot of people.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 18:56pm


My guesses for next year:

Pat Benatar (I mean, she had to have been #7 on this years ballot, right?)
Joy Division/New Order (Keep the New Wave train rolling, baby)
Carole King (as a performer)
Judas Priest OR Iron Maiden (One of them's got to get in eventually. I'm not much of a metal fan, but come on now, this is ridiculous.)
The Guess Who (Just a weird feeling about this one. Recently the hall seems to be ending up with one straightforward 60s-70s "classic rock" group a year, so I'll go with this one.)
Foo Fighters OR Jay-Z (Also just a feeling. I am not nearly as confident about both being FYE's as many here seem to be.)

But also like, let's put some more women in the hall, yeah? With this induction, the hall is now about 93% male.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 19:04pm


The Dude, you may be opening Pandora's box by bringing up the 2016 election lmao. In any case, I don't think it's the same at all. The Rock Hall makes no secret of the fact that the Fan Vote and Kiosk act as suggestions, but the actual inductions are not meant to represent the will of the people. With the Electoral College, yes it is very outdated and susceptible to the kind of nonsense that happened in 2000 and 2016, but it still is at least theoretically meant to represent a popular opinion. There are also a lot more real world consequences to electing a President than there are to inducting popular bands into a Hall of Fame.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 19:10pm


The Dude, you may be opening Pandora's box by bringing up the 2016 election lmao. In any case, I don't think it's the same at all. The Rock Hall makes no secret of the fact that the Fan Vote and Kiosk act as suggestions, but the actual inductions are not meant to represent the will of the people. With the Electoral College, yes it is very outdated and susceptible to the kind of nonsense that happened in 2000 and 2016, but it still is at least theoretically meant to represent a popular opinion. There are also a lot more real world consequences to electing a President than there are to inducting popular bands into a Hall of Fame.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 19:10pm


Actually, the Hall will face some consequences financially. With DMB snubbed for the second time despite having the most vote from fan ballot, they won't sell much tickets and draw crowds as did in the last two years with Bon Jovi and Def Leppard. You're looking at a band that is very easy to capitalize.

Before one of y'all say "But that because they came from the classic rock era unlike DMB," you do realize the 90's are now considered as classic rock time wise. To say it ends at Guns N Roses and Skid Row is dated these days.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 19:33pm


"I can see why everyone just assumed Pat Benatar = Classic Rock and figured she was an automatic inductee, bit she isn't really much of an icon like Joan Jett or Stefie Nicks. Had a run of hits and not much of it has aged particularly well."

So I guess people are voting based on overall careers and not merely on solo recordings? Because I think Benatar's solo career easily beats the other two, but obviously if you included everything Jett and Nicks did, they did more. If that's the case, why isn't Rundgren getting in?

I think what it comes down to basically is that they never want to induct more than one woman and Houston was certainly more popular and influential. Not that influence has much to do with it (Kraftwerk) so probably it has more to do with the hard rock vote being split and black voters ALL voting for Biggie and Houston.

"Foo Fighters OR Jay-Z (Also just a feeling. I am not nearly as confident about both being FYE's as many here seem to be.)"

Foo Fighters won't make the ballot. My guess is Grohl will actually tell them to wait until some others are in (wouldn't surprise me if he'd ask them to use their spot for Sonic Youth or something.) Then again, RATM made it on the ballot their first couple years despite/due to the conflict of interest but Grohl's more self-effacing than Morello is.

I could see Jay-Z missing too because Outkast did. It took them both a number of years to get really big unlike the first ballot rappers like 2Pac and Biggie, who tended to have much faster ascents. I'd rather see Outkast on... they've waited and they broke big first.

"Here's something interesting I wanna ask y'all if you're okay with the kiosk and the fan ballot rigged: Did you guys voted for Hillary Clinton four years ago and still feel down about the fact Donald Trump won his first presidential election? If so, then you need to admit that you're being hypocritical. The Rock Hall treats both the kiosk and fan ballot like how the US government handles the popular votes with the electoral college."

Feeling down about something and feeling something was rigged are two separate things. I don't think either the 2016 election or this ballot were rigged. The presidential election rules state the electoral college winner wins the election (IF it was rigged at all it would be because some of the parts of the Voting Rights Act expired which may have led to the suppression of black votes in some states, and black turnout did decline, but I'm not sure if that decided any states... but it wasn't rigged just because of the electoral college IMO.) The rules here state that the fans get one ballot. If you want to change those things, fine. But 2016 wasn't rigged just because the popular vote winner lost (when that isn't the rules) and this wasn't rigged just because the fan vote winner didn't make it (which I honestly expected after Motley Crue missed the ballot.) Changing the rules midstream would be rigging it. Just because both outcomes may have been disappointing doesn't mean they have been rigged. And obviously the level of outrage here does not equate to the level of outrage with regard to a presidential election.

And if they want to fix it, automatically add the fan vote winner but let the NomCom pick one to compensate. If you add Matthews and Kraftwerk, it would be a larger and more diverse class music-wise (except of course for the even worse gender imbalance) but that might be something to consider.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 19:34pm


"Actually, the Hall will face some consequences financially."

Depeche Mode will sell. Not as much? Probably.

"You do realize the 90's are now considered as classic rock time wise. To say it ends at Guns N Roses and Skid Row is dated these days."

People are just using that as a shorthand though. The voters by and large are from '70s rock bands, who seem like they are more likely to vote for their peers. Probably a lot of the members of '70s rock bands don't care a lot about or care for newer bands that are played on those stations unless they belonged to a similar genre and it's not like jam bands do particularly well on the ballot outside The Grateful Dead, although I suppose you could argue others like the Allman Brothers and Traffic.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 19:42pm


Dude, I don't know what classic rock stations you're listening to, but the only '90's act that gets played on the classic rock station out here is the Black Crowes, and even then, they only play "Hard To Handle." Then again, I think they way entirely way too much Zeppelin, but that's just me.

And no, they're not the same. One member of the voting bloc is an "electoral vote" in your analogy, while the fan ballot is one electoral vote.... not even an entire state's electoral votes, mind you. Also not the same because each vote is for potentially for five people all vying for what is essentially the same position. I get your analogy, but it's flawed.

Is the Hall going to suffer for it? I think they'll suffer more from Judas Priest or Pat Benatar not getting enough votes. They'll suffer because they keep the classes small, letting the tail wag the dog, thus letting the backlog grow bigger every year. That's what I believe will hurt them financially. The Dave Matthews Band not making it this year will be akin to a poster child for that sentiment, possibly, though in a disjointed way, but the issue at large is way bigger than the Dave Matthews Band, or even their fan base.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 19:47pm


I've heard a myriad of things today about the Inductees and those Nominees that failed induction.
Dave Matthews Band failure to earn Induction shows the integrity of the process. They in fact captured the FAN VOTE and their loyal,devoted fan base would sell out any Ceremony venue. It would be easy to slide DMB into the RRHOF this cycle. Has to be authenticity in voting.
T. REX as some FRL Regulars have noted were very influential in the 1970's and deserving of their Induction. They are similar to Roxy Music, Chicago, ELO, Dire Straits etc in that the voters voted them in right away.
Interesting what Nom Com will do with Chaka, Kraftwerk, MC5, as they have been nominated several times. Perhaps they will bring 2/3 back for 1 more time 2020-2021. The Depeche Mode and NIN inductions should give Kraftwerk more votes next nomination.
Metal another year of waiting as Judas Priest and Motorhead fell short of induction. They might go with Iron Maiden next Nomination cycle or Ozzy Osbourne. Groups like Megadeth, Queensryche, Scorpions, maybe pushed back to 2025.
I'm happy for Duran Duran as the Depeche Mode induction should pave their way for a nomination in 2020 or 2021. Most of Duran Duran's 80's music contemporaries and hit makers : Bruce, Janet, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Prince, U2, Van Halen, etc are now inducted. They Duran Duran now move higher in the snub list.
The Doobie Brothers induction paves the way for a Bad Company or Foreigner. They are 2 of the most deserving still waiting as 70's bands go. The Guess Who have had some grassroots support the last few years.
I still can't understand why LL Cool J cannot be inducted. He's 1 of the 1st rap stars and has a strong longevity. With Jay-Z and Eminem around the corner, it appears LL Cool J will have to wait a few more years.
KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 19:51pm


The Public Hall in Cleveland is much much smaller than the Barclays Center in NYC, so the number of tickets they need to sell to the public to fill out the place is pretty minimal after all the industry people and artist entourages take their share.

Depeche Mode, Doobie Brothers, and Nine Inch Nails will be plenty to sell out that venue.

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 20:38pm


" Dude, I don't know what classic rock stations you're listening to, but the only '90's act that gets played on the classic rock station out here is the Black Crowes, and even then, they only play "Hard To Handle." Then again, I think they way entirely way too much Zeppelin, but that's just me."

Since terrestrial radio is the number reach in America, you should be checking out other stations and formats outside of your home area like what a Hall watcher should do other than looking at the obvious stuff. A lot classic rock stations do play a noticeable amount of the 90's now, since we now live in an era where there is nothing current about Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Green Day, and others.

The format always expands the library when an act's first release turns twenty or so. Some classic rock stations do have their own 90's block. I know this not because I always hear it when I'm at work, but also know a few people who locally works for iHeartmedia and Radio.com.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 20:39pm


This Year's class is actually good, with Depeche Mode, Nine inch Nails & T Rex getting in a year after The Cure, Radiohead & Roxy Music. I don't mind who gets in or not im just exciting that Class of 2020 is finally here, even though only one out of the five winners of the fan vote got in which is the Doobie Brothers but otherwise is great. Can't wait for this ceremony on May 2nd, with NIN getting in ill break down the doors for other industrial artists, T Rex's induction would open its doors for Slade or Badfinger, Depeche Mode inclusion finally paves the way for Duran Duran, Joy Division/New Order, The Smiths and others. The rest of them are deserving in their own right.

Special Guests
Gary Numan presenting Depeche Mode
Donald Fagen or Don Henley presenting Doobie Brothers
Mariah Carey or Brandy presenting Whitney Houston
Marilyn Manson presenting Nine inch Nails
Puff Daddy presenting Notorious BIG
Johnny Marr presenting T Rex

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 20:43pm


Dude, I don't know what classic rock stations you're listening to, but the only '90's act that gets played on the classic rock station out here is the Black Crowes, and even then, they only play "Hard To Handle." Then again, I think they way entirely way too much Zeppelin, but that's just me."

Since terrestrial radio is the number one reach in America, you should be checking out other stations and formats outside of your home area like what a Hall watcher should do other than looking at the obvious stuff. A lot of classic rock stations do play a noticeable amount of the 90's now, since we now live in an era where there is nothing current about Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Green Day, and others.

The format always expands the library when an act's first release turns twenty or so. Some classic rock stations do have their own 90's block. I know this not only because I always hear it when I'm at work, but also know a few people who locally works for iHeartmedia and Radio.com.

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Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 20:44pm


I think you're contradicting yourself a little there. The terrestrial stations outside of my "home area" can't reach me. Their signal strength isn't strong enough. Besides which, the bigger markets have their transmitters aimed more southerly, whereas I live north of them. Outside my home area means pulling in signals from Canada, which is slanted in and of itself with the "35%" rule they have.

A lot of the format also depends on the market itself. The classic rock station that was owned by the company I worked for was much more steeped in the Beatles as a cornerstone artist: not so much the band itself, but more the post-Beatles careers (especially Paul). That's not to say they played mostly Beatles-related music, but there also used to be an Oldies station that had LOCAL all-Beatles programming, including an annual tradition of playing the Beatles A-Z... all the album cuts and singles, all the Top 40 hits from the solo careers, and even some lesser-known "classics" from the solo careers. Because that's what the market wanted. Where I live now, it's primarily driven by a love for Led Zeppelin and the Eagles.

Mind you, I'm not calling you a liar. I believe you, but I'd like to know what market you're in that you're able to get more of this. And when I'm at work, I have to rely on streaming services because we can't be disturbing the co-worker next to us if they don't like our music. So, earphones it is. And never while on the road. That's distracted driving right there.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 21:06pm


I'm in Syracuse and my city's classic rock canon seems to be halfway between Dude's and Philip's. Even when I was a little kid some '90s stuff was picked up by artists from previous decades, but it was mostly just Aerosmith, Tom Petty, Guns 'N Roses, R.E.M., and U2, none of which would really be considered artists who peaked in the '90s.

Nowadays I only like listening to classic rock radio when they have one of their A to Z marathons playing every song that is supposedly is in their catalog (most of which they never, ever play.) Some '90s stuff made it, but it was about 5 Nirvana and Pearl Jam songs, maybe 3 Foo Fighters, Green Day, and RHCP songs, 2 Alice in Chains, Dave Matthews, Offspring, Soundgarden, and Stone Temple Pilots songs, with bands like Candlebox, Collective Soul, and Gin Blossoms represented as one-hit wonders even if they actually weren't. Blues Traveler and Spin Doctors were always picked up for their two hits probably because they were retro. Nothing that wasn't a hard rock or folky derivative though so obviously no Radiohead, Beck, Nine Inch Nails... Honestly, I'm sort of surprised by no Hootie and the Blowfish because they would fit in VERY well with classic rock stereotypes, and all that Dave Matthews/Blues Traveler/Gin Blossoms/Spin Doctors/Wallflowers stuff, all of whom usually get a song or two (but then, I guess they don't want any black singers in the format except Hendrix, so...) But none of those bands are close to being in the canon or really played very often at all. Even R.E.M. is basically limited to 3 songs on classic rock radio despite deserving many more (The One I Love, Losing My Religion, and Man on the Moon is usually all you ever hear.) There really aren't many artists who get something like 10 songs or close played who debuted in the '80s onward except U2, SRV, and Def Leppard from what I recall. Bon Jovi is mostly limited to the three Slippery hits and GNR to the three Appetite hits + November Rain.

IMO the classic rock format has barely left the '70s. And neither has the nominating body. But maybe the logic here was throwing a bunch of '70s rock bands this time precisely so they WOULD split the vote because they really didn't want another 2016 or 2018 again.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 21:24pm


"And neither has the nominating body."

Meant to say voting body obviously, but the last two years certainly show hope as far as that goes.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 21:26pm


Oh, yeah. I actually heard Creed on classic rock radio once and that was years ago. That threw me. I didn't expect them to ever play any post-grunge bands after Bush or the Foo Fighters. Never heard Nickelback though. I'd be surprised if classic rock ever adds any canonical songs from any band that started after the Foo Fighters.

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 21:35pm


If you want to compare this to a presidential election look at 1836:

The Whig Party nominates a lot of candidates in hopes that one of them manages to win, but none of them do well enough and Martin Van Buren gets elected.

Let's change that sentence:

The Rock Hall Nominating Comittie nominates a lot of Hard Rock and Heavy Metal acts in hopes that one of them manages to win, but none of them do well enough and Depeche Mode gets inducted.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 21:40pm


Oh, good catch Sean, I have heard a RHCP song or two, but never anything more recent than "Under The Bridge."

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 21:57pm


@ Philip

I actually check on many different radio stations on Google much as I could to know what they're playing in other towns and states to experience anything different other listening for a while. Interestingly found one classic rock station at Southport, Connecticut that only plays bands from the 80's through the 2000's. Not sure about the market in my home area but I curiously do wanna know how what market I'm in locally, and I also wanna know what makes it different compared to others here in this country, which I could talked to my friends about it. Sean pointed out you won't hear Beck, Radiohead and NIN on the classic rock format locally, but my station do play those acts specially for their 90's block and I do recall hearing the early Korn, Incubus and Limp Bizkit.

No luck on Helmet, Primus, Ministry, and the newly eligible Deftones, which are the biggest bands missing from the 90's that should be play on classic rock radio regularly.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 22:07pm


I'm gonna call it now and say Depeche Mode will close the 2020 ceremony. It's easy to forget that they're still one of the biggest touring bands in the world (top five as recently as 2017). With the dearth of living performers inducted this year, it could only be Nine Inch Nails, The Doobie Brothers or Depeche Mode. And they're the band with the hits that definitely in an all-star jam ("Personal Jesus" and "Just Can't Get Enough" come to mind; not to say the other two don't but DM seems like such an obvious choice).

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 22:12pm


I'm outraged.

This is a case of Fraud. The Rock Hall needs to apologize to every fan who got conned into thinking the Fan Vote had the slightest weight.

There is one way you fix this, and that involves money. Not attending the Induction Ceremony, and not watching the HBO Induction show, will get their attention.

BTW, congrats to the Doobies. Long overdue. Apologies to Pat Benatar, the DMB, Soundgarden and Judas Priest.

Posted by Jay on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 22:15pm


I believe I explained, at least in part, what market you're in has to do with it. But also, where you are also has to do with what areas are close by. And when you said "terrestrial radio," I took that to mean you weren't doing the online streaming of other stations thing.

It also matters because as far as I know, the local stations here aren't part of the iHeartmedia family. That's a big part of it too. Which media conglomerate own which stations has a lot to do with how formats are decided on a national level, because even though local input still matters somewhat, national conglomeration has homogenized formats based on which conglomerate it is.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 22:23pm


I wonder what Song of Proof Philip will use for Jon and Irving.

Probably a song by the boss and Eagles, respectively.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 22:26pm


We mostly have iHeartmedia stations in my home area, but my classic rock, adult contemporary and Top 40 stations are owned by Radio.com that are more local friendly than their biggest rival company. Some are independent, some are owned by Cumulus Media. We got a healthy dose of competition here.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 22:39pm


Does this year's induction class remind you guys of the 2015 induction class when we had a lot of tribute performances to acts that are no longer with us (Lou Reed, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The '5' Royales and most of The Paul Butterfield Blues Band), Is this year's induction class similar to 2015 that we'll get a lot of tribute performances to acts that are no longer with us (Biggie, Whitney Houston and most of T. Rex), Is this year's induction class similar to 2015's?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 22:56pm


Follower, honestly, with the cronyism, I'm considering using either a Metallica or Pearl Jam song for that CEO and chairman of Ticketmaster. Although, the irony would be lost, sadly, as his Global Music Rights handles publishing for those two acts among others.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 22:57pm


Definitely a lot of major activity going on here this evening, and I would like to acknowledge great points by KING, Sean, RG, and especially Remy10's Final Scoreboard, which sums it up well. But I cannot go on without recognizing these comments, which are very impressive. I have a lot of thoughts on those artists who are set for induction, and the deserving artists that did not receive the honor. Congratulations to the Artists who were voted in for induction, all well deserving, but the question bodes, were they more deserving than some nominees that were not selected? I can't help being severely disappointed despite having 5 of 7 of my predictions being selected, because the 2 I championed for the most, Pat Benatar and Judas Priest got the snub.
More on that later, but I am happy for The Doobie Brothers, who I think will open the show, and they have been waiting over 25 years for an induction, and finally get it. They have numerous great , obscure songs which bountifully fill their excellent catalogue of material. Some of which are, "Spirit", "I Cheat the Hangman", "Sweet Maxine", "South City Midnight Lady", and "Another Park, Another Sunday", to name a few. I am glad Whitney got in after a 10 year wait, and of course it is highly unfortunate that she cannot be here to experience it..
I am equally elated for Depeche Mode, a band that just cruises along in Stealth mode it seems, so very fantastic songs that they have, and I am a big fan of the "Violator" album.. T. Rex, I have been pitching for almost a year, since they were mentioned a bunch in last years ceremony, and since Roxy Music went in last year, I felt pretty strongly that T. Rex would follow up for this year. I was hoping Notorious BIG would get bumped to next year to allow space for a Rock artist, but I guess this was kind of automatic, possibly following in the footsteps of Tupac? Not really sure, I do not know enough about it.
Which leads me to the highlight of the Class, Nine Inch Nails, who should close the Show. You really cannot contain this much intensity than to let it run free as a Closer, with "Closer".. Check out Rolling Stone's interview with Trent this morning, if you have not read it.. pretty cool. NIN never fails to deliver with primal type emotion, fierce passion, and creative perfection. I still cannot stress enough the Woodstock '94 Live video, or even the more recent Tension 2013 tour.
Someone posted that Gary Numan would induct Depeche Mode and Marilyn Manson would induct Nine Inch Nails. I think it would be more likely that Gary Numan would induct Nine Inch Nails, as he and Trent are friends and sometime collaborators, and Numan opened for NIN for a few dates on the Tension 2013 tour. I fortunately happened to see one of those shows and Trent had Gary perform with NIN on a couple of songs during their set. So, presenting my thoughts and some info on the new inductees for today, and I am sure there will be plenty of controversy to comment on tomorrow night.. Thanks to All..great stuff.
One other quick note, and can elaborate later, but in response to The Dude's comments and views, I would say there is something to be said for Who did NOT vote in either this Vote, or in any other close election..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 23:19pm


It's actually rather funny. The rock purists today have been louder than in awhile. They are losing their minds about Biggie and Whitney going in. Funny thing is, they are also attacking NIN and Depeche Mode as not being guitar based rock. To some, this is the only kind of music that should be in the Hall of Fame. To do my part and educate them, I reminded some of them that Aretha Franklin and Diana Ross are in the HOF, and Aretha, I believe, went in the 2nd class. I was accosted that rock and roll really wasn't Chuck Berry or any of the 50s stuff, that it began with the Beatles and Stones, and some actually really think that rock should only be hard stuff from 1965 to 1979. There's no pleasing these guys.

Classic rock is, by common definition, anything 20 years in the past. This year, Three Doors Down, Linkin Park, and Limp Bizkit, among others, will begin popping up on classic rock stations in some areas. I heard "Nookie" on a longtime classic rock station just last week and was almost shocked.

I'm totally happy with the class, as I said, the only knock is they could have easily added 6 more acts from this list and they would have been just as deserving. If it offends someone's idea of what the RRHOF should be, they've proven people will come to the Hall regardless of who boycotts it.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 23:35pm


It's actually rather funny. The rock purists today have been louder than in awhile. They are losing their minds about Biggie and Whitney going in. Funny thing is, they are also attacking NIN and Depeche Mode as not being guitar based rock. To some, this is the only kind of music that should be in the Hall of Fame. To do my part and educate them, I reminded some of them that Aretha Franklin and Diana Ross are in the HOF, and Aretha, I believe, went in the 2nd class. I was accosted that rock and roll really wasn't Chuck Berry or any of the 50s stuff, that it began with the Beatles and Stones, and some actually really think that rock should only be hard stuff from 1965 to 1979. There's no pleasing these guys.

Classic rock is, by common definition, anything 20 years in the past. This year, Three Doors Down, Linkin Park, and Limp Bizkit, among others, will begin popping up on classic rock stations in some areas. I heard "Nookie" on a longtime classic rock station just last week and was almost shocked.

I'm totally happy with the class, as I said, the only knock is they could have easily added 6 more acts from this list and they would have been just as deserving. If it offends someone's idea of what the RRHOF should be, they've proven people will come to the Hall regardless of who boycotts it.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 01/15/2020 @ 23:35pm


I am now absorbing this class of 2020.
It is true that Depeche Mode are deserving as an Inductee. They have a nice body of work. I have never owned any Depeche Mode. They pave the way for a better band IMO. That's Duran Duran. More on that another time. I dig. Lot of 80s but NOT Depeche Mode. I liked much more Guitar oriented 80s bands. I like bands like the Replacements,Smithereens and some tunes by Husker Du . Those were also modern bands in the 80s. Depeche Mode though serve a similar Role to the Cure last year. NOT my thing but makes sense. They. Will sell tickets I concede.

Now the Dude said "With DMB snubbed for the second time despite having the most Vote from the fan Ballot...,"That's a mistake. Dave Matthews Band were snubbed this once. They have never been nominated before this year . Can you please Clarify or. Correct? DMB are snubbed this ONE time. I said I would not be horrified by DMB OMITTED. I am horrified by Pat Benatar and JUDAS Priest omitted. That is disappointing. They are both key to their genres . Pat Benatar is great Hard Rock by a Female and Priest was supposed to be the next representation of Metal. I like Metallica more because I am NOT a heavy Metal expert But I like a bunch of Judas Priest and they belong in the Hall. I guess Priest can be nominated again Next year . That's it for Now.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 06:19am


DMB first album came out in 93, making them eligible for the third year in the row. It just wouldn't hurt for the Hall to add those guys as a seventh spot, since they had the most votes on the fan ballot. But they show themselves. It likes when if you were ordered for a pizza and you forgot the toppings he/she wants.

We also woulda have more diversity this year. Although, DMB is my least favorite band from the 90's. But if I'm not mistaken, they do have one or two female band members. There are non-white members in the group too.

But now Whitney Houston is the ONlY female individual who will be inducted this year unless they include T. Rex's Gloria Jones to reduce the controversy.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 07:48am


Ben,

Yes, I agree. I am also mystified on the exclusion of Pat Benatar and Judas Priest, but especially Pat. There is only one woman being inducted and she is not alive. Women are not being represented in this Class. Pat Benatar would have been outstanding to close the show, but I would say without her energetic punch and mass appeal, it would now have to be Nine Inch Nails for the intensity factor. Also with 3 of the 6 new inductees members having passed on, or in the case of T. Rex, very limited representation, you will have half of the ceremony being Tribute performances. This seems a bit strange and lacking in realistic appeal. But I still support the 6 who did make it, and you can check my previous post for details, thoughts and explanations on the new inductees, no need to repeat that info.
I will say though on the subject of Voting, it is possible that more R&B artists cast votes than the more hard Rock artists did. Remember Timothy's list from 2 weeks ago stating who would garner votes from particular artists? Or it is just possible like others have stated that the Rock vote was too spread out over the multiple Classic nominees. Still, you would have thought, as most everybody did that Pat B. would have gotten the votes and support needed.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 07:56am


There aren't any women in Dave Matthews Band other than backup singers that may tour with them. There are multiple non-white members of the band and Dave himself is South African.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 08:20am


Does this year's induction class remind you guys of the 2015 induction class when we had a lot of deceased acts get in (Lou Reed, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The '5' Royales and most of The Paul Butterfield Blues Band) and we had a lot of tribute performances at that year's ceremony, Does this year's induction class remind you guys of 2015 with a lot of deceased acts getting in (Biggie, Whitney Houston and most of T. Rex) and we'll get a lot of tribute performances at this year's ceremony, Does this year's class remind you guys of 2015?.

Posted by richie: on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 09:35am


Does this year's induction class remind you guys of the 2015 induction class when we had a lot of deceased acts get in that year (Lou Reed, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The '5' Royales and most of The Paul Butterfield Blues Band) and we had a lot of tribute performances at that year's ceremony, Does this year's induction class remind you guys of 2015 with a lot of deceased acts getting in this year (Biggie, Whitney Houston and most of T. Rex) and we'll get a lot of tribute performances at this year's ceremony, Does this year's class remind you guys of 2015?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 10:09am


Are they planning to include more members of NIN? I notice Trent Reznor is the only one listed. Once again, this is ridiculous, on par with Steve Miller, Bob Seger, Paul McCartney (sans Wings), and a couple others we have discussed.


And on a side note, since I saw multiple opinions proclaiming this the weakest draft class ever, in my opinion, looking back at each individual class, the 2011 class seems to me to be the weakest of all of them.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 10:19am


Copied and pasted from my comments on NIN's FRL page.

List of NIN members

CURRENT:

Trent Reznor - Lead Vocals and multiple instruments
Atticus Ross - Keyboards, Programming, and synths
Robin Finck - Guitar, bass, and multiple instruments
Alessandro Cortini - Keyboards and multiple instruments
Ilan Rubin - Drums and multiple instruments

FORMER:

Chris Vrenna - Drums, samples, keyboards
Ron Musarra - Drums
Richard Patrick- Guitar
Gary Talpas - Keyboards
Nick Rushe - Keyboards
David Haymes - Keyboards
Lee Mars - Keyboards
James Woolley - Synths
Jeff Ward - Drums
Danny Lohner - Guitar, bass, and synths
Charlie Clouser - Multiple instruments
Jerome Dillon - Drums and Guitar
Jeordie "Twiggy" White - Guitar, bass and Synths
Aaron North - Guitar
Josh Freese - Drums
Alex Carapetis - Drums
Justin Meldel-Johnson - Bass
Josh Eustis - Drums
Pino Palladino - Bass

With them now in, they need to add Atticus, Robin, Ilan, Alessandro, Chris, Richard, Danny, Charlie, and Jerome as the inducted members other than Trent to make things more prevalent for certain names, genres and eras in the future.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 10:31am


The 2020 Songwriters Hall of Fame Inductees have been announced and they are:

In the Non-Performing Songwriters category:

Pharrell Williams & Chad Hugo (The Neptunes)
Rick Nowels
William "Mickey" Stevenson

In the Performing Songwriters category:

Mariah Carey
Eurythmics
The Isley Brothers
Steve Miller

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 11:04am


On Pat's sad ommision from this class. Think it's the Hall telling her "We'll induct you...but not Neil."

I'd be fine with him going in, myself.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 11:10am


Pharrell deserves to go in as a performer...what stupidity is this? He's a gifted songwriter, but he's got some great tunes...although everyone thinks it begins and ends with "Happy"...

In particular, his collaboration with Daft Punk, "Get Lucky", is pure genius and innocent, if lascivious, fun...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 11:22am


For the record, cronyism or not, Landau and Azzoff deserve their inductions.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 12:05pm


"It's actually rather funny. The rock purists today have been louder than in awhile. They are losing their minds about Biggie and Whitney going in. Funny thing is, they are also attacking NIN and Depeche Mode as not being guitar based rock. To some, this is the only kind of music that should be in the Hall of Fame." - K-Dawg

Yes. I'm embarrassed for the people who are still dragging out those tired, thoroughly debunked whining points in 2020. This site had largely been cleaned up from that sort of garbage for many years. It's been sad to see it making a comeback.


This is a very strong class this year. I'm personally not a fan of three of the acts and have some favorites who were snubbed (again), but there's a big reason that each of the six who made it did. Nobody undeserving in the bunch, whether I enjoy them or their style or not. I can also vouch from experience that DM and NIN are amazing live acts and will both put on a great show at the ceremony

Also, my take on the Benatar anger is that I understand the disappointment of being a fan of an artist who doesn't make the cut (I'm there multiple times every year), but the fact is that while she does have a reasonable argument for induction and will likely be inducted within the next few years, she's a mid-level importance act whose case for induction was outmatched by all six of this years inductees as well as by several innovators from this year's ballot who once again were not inducted. The idea that she was some super important lock for induction ahead of everybody else on the ballot never came close to lining up with reality. It will happen for her, but far more important acts missed out on their first try and many of them are still waiting.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 13:09pm


There's a lot of talk about lanes and who certain artists could open the door for so I thought I would try to break down the different lanes of music that the Hall has been inducting in the last five years and speculate:

Classic Pop/Folk/Singer-Songwriter:
Joan Baez - 2017
Nina Simone - 2018
Upcoming: Carole King, Peter, Paul, and Mary, Scott Walker, John Prine, Harry Nilsson, Nick Drake, The Carpenters?

Mainline 60s/70s "Classic Rock":
Paul Butterfield Blues Band - 2015
Steve Miller - 2016
Chicago - 2016
ELO - 2017
The Zombies - 2019
The Doobie Brothers - 2020
Upcoming: The Guess Who, Love, The Monkees, Tommy James and the Shondells, J Geils Band?

Prog
Yes - 2017
The Moody Blues - 2018
Upcoming: Jethro Tull, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Can, Procol Harum, King Crimson?

Punk
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts - 2015
Upcoming: MC5, Runaways, The Buzzcocks, The Jam, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys?

Hard Rock/Early Metal
Deep Purple - 2016
Upcoming: Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy, Bad Company?

70s R&B/Funk/Disco
Bill Withers - 2015
Upcoming: Rufus w/ Chaka Khan, Kool & The Gang, Commodores?

Glam/Art Rock
Lou Reed - 2015
Roxy Music - 2019
T. Rex - 2020
Upcoming: New York Dolls, Sparks, Brian Eno?

Post Punk/New Wave
The Cars - 2018
The Cure - 2019
Depeche Mode - 2020
Upcoming: The Smiths, Joy Division/New Order, Duran Duran, Devo, The Go-Go's?

80s Pop Rock
Journey - 2017
Bon Jovi - 2018
Stevie Nicks - 2019
Upcoming: Pat Benatar, Billy Idol, Foreigner, Boston

80s Blues Revival
2015 - Stevie Ray Vaughan
2018 - Dire Straits
Upcoming: Nick Cave, Steve Earle?

Hip Hop
NWA - 2016
2Pac - 2017
Notorious BIG - 2020
Upcoming: LL Cool J, Jay Z, Eminem, Outkast, Tribe?

80s/90s Hard Rock/Metal
Def Leppard - 2019
Upcoming: Motley Crue, Slayer, Megadeth, Alice in Chains?

90s Alternative
Green Day - 2015
Pearl Jam - 2017
Radiohead - 2019
Nine Inch Nails - 2020
Upcoming: Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Blur, Oasis, PJ Harvey, Alanis Morissette?

Modern Pop
Janet Jackson - 2019
Whitney Houston - 2020
Upcoming: Mariah Carey, Cyndi Lauper, TLC, George Michael?

Lanes that haven't received any inductions in the last five years: 50s Roots, 60s Soul/Motown, Reggae

Posted by RG on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 13:37pm


https://www.futurerocklegends.com/statistics.php

Here's what the voting statistics currently looks like. FRL forgot to add this on their menu.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 19:57pm


The Dude,

Voting Statistics can be found in the menu under "CONTACT US"

Posted by joker on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 20:02pm


Not sure why they would ever put the access to that page into the "Contact Us" section on the menu when they coulda hook it to "Rock Hall Snubs." it kinda looks and sounds out of place to me.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 20:13pm


What I'd like to see is "Who people are voting for right now" and "The Hot List" back on the Latest Comments page. Right now you can only see them on the Home page which I rarely go to.

Posted by joker on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 20:38pm


Can we put Biggie on the list of Rock and Roll HoFers who have killed someone?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 20:41pm


Nick,

Great article you posted. I just read it and I agree with just about everything you stated, and rather than delve into it too much, I will just state that the whole thing was spot on. I would just like to reiterate that it would have been nice to at least get one living woman inducted, and your mention of Pat Benatar as a well deserving 7th inductee would have, I think, raised this Class to another level. But I guess we will never know if the votes were close or not..
I am glad that you were elated over Depeche Mode's induction, being that you are a big fan, that's cool. I have not heard all of their albums, but the one's that I have heard, I really like. I had mentioned before they seem to be cruising on Stealth "mode", never being polarizing in any way, just always displaying positivity.
One other thing, on Trent Reznor, he did say that Nine Inch Nails would be performing at the Induction ceremony, when he was interviewed by Rolling Stone on Wednesday morning.. Thanks for the great read..

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 21:11pm


I was thinking with Depeche Mode announced in this 2020 Class...What 1980's bands would benefit the most and will be next in line for nomination ??? I can think of a quick 10 groups.
1. Duran Duran 2. The Eurythmics 3.Motley Crue 4. Bryan Adams 5. The Replacements 6. Iron Maiden 7. Tina Turner 8. The Smiths 9. INXS 10. Judas Priest. Who could you add to this list of 10? I think Duran Duran will be nominated in 2021. Pioneering in music videos, longevity, commercial success, hit songs, influential, innovative. They check off plenty of boxes. The Eurythmics could receive another nomination. Unique band. Inside or outside of The Eurythmics, Lennox and Stewart have been very important to music. INXS really deserves nomination for musical excellence and a large number of quality hit songs. Devil Inside, Need You Tonight, Never Tear Us Apart, One Thing etc. Hutchence premature death definitely affected the group as Michael was an electric frontman and underrated vocalist. I've been trying to gather momentum for Bryan Adams candidacy for a few years. He's a global star selling 50+ million units and Reckless a Classic album. I wonder if the Committee will keep ramming Judas Priest through or turn to Iron Maiden, Megadeth, or Ozzy. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 21:23pm


The 2020 Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees have been announced and they are:

In the Non-Performing Songwriters category:

Pharrell Williams and Chad Hugo (The Neptunes)
Rick Nowels
William "Mickey" Stevenson

In the Performing Songwriters category:

Mariah Carey
Eurythmics
The Isley Brothers
Steve Miller

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 21:55pm


This post is for KING on the last remaining MAJOR classic rock bands from the 70's and 80's who have three radio song staples or more that should get inducted.

Mötley Crue: They'll be on tour with Def Leppard, Joan Jett, and Poison this year, and eleven shows are sold out so far.

Boston: Very likely to be Irving Azoff's next pet project with the Doobie Brothers now in. He signed them to MCA records in 86.

Bad Company: Paul Rogers is one of the most respected guys in the music industry who has a connection to NOM COM member Little Steven.

Foreigner: Unlike J. Geils Band, they're the only Jann Wenner pet project I don't mind seeing them nominated and inducted mainly because of their connection to King Crimson who are a huge snub in the prog world outside of the classic rock radio format.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 22:05pm


Paul Rodgers*

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 22:08pm


I know it's semi-obscure, but beyond Bad Company and Foreigner, my other favorite 70s band I would love to see in is Foghat. They really never got the love I thought they deserved. Am I totally in left field with this in the faction that wants Nazareth and Mountain in, or do you think they have some sort of a chance? If nothing else, "Slow Ride" would be an epic song to put in. Actually, the whole "Dazed and Confused" album is legendary.

It might be apples and oranges, but I'm not sure Boston had the staying power that BC, Foreigner and Crue did in your list. They were very good for a short time, much like the Smiths. They did tour, but the brunt of their success came from the first 2 albums, and then they struck it on Billboard with "Amanda" years later.

Good analysis, all in all. As I've personally stated, since my 3 pet acts got in that I REALLY wanted (Depeche Mode, NIN and Whitney) and knowing Kraftwerk had little chance, I am thrilled to see a wide open field next year. This ballot was like a Christmas present to me for bands I have been pushing for for years.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 22:31pm


RG,

I would go back 7-8 years with prog, to the time when the first member of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush) had been inducted, therefore:


Prog- now presenting the "holy trinity" of prog:

Rush - 2013
Yes - 2017
The Moody Blues- 2018 .

Upcoming: Duran Duran, Procol Harum, Jethro Tull, Supertramp, King Crimson, Kansas, ELP, XTC.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 00:19am


The 2020 Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees have been announced and they are:

In the Non-Performing Songwriters category:

Pharrell Williams and Chad Hugo (The Neptunes)
Rick Nowels
William "Mickey" Stevenson

In the Performing Songwriters category:

Mariah Carey
Eurythmics
The Isley Brothers
Steve Miller

Do you guys think that Mariah Carey and Eurythmics getting into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year will help them to both get Rock Hall nominations next year for the 2021 class?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 10:25am


The Cure and Depeche Mode getting in back to back opens the doors for 80s post punk act The Smiths to probably get in next year since The Smiths were also nominated a few times in the past. After the 3 bands gotten in, I'm guessing it will be New Order/Joy Division followed by more popular new wave bands like Duran Duran and INXS

Posted by jay k on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 10:26am


Here's the latest update on the most certified BANDS in America with the inclusion of singles and video albums. One of Shinedown's newest single "Devil" has now turned gold; it's starting to look like they'll make to 20 million in total soon. Enjoy!

1. Maroon 5- 79.5 Million
2. Linkin Park- 63.6 Million
3. Florida Georgia Line- 56 Million
4. Twenty One Pilots- 48.5 Million
5. Alabama- 46.8 Million
6. Foreigner- 45.5 Million
7. Panic! At the Disco- 38 Million
8. Coldplay- 36.6 Million
9. Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million
10. Rascal Flatts- 33.7 Million
11. Zac Brown Band- 33.5 Million
12. Fall Out Boy- 33 Million
13. Dixie Chicks- 32.8 Million
14. Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million
15. Boston- 31 Million
16. Imagine Dragons- 30 Million
17. The Carpenters- 29.6 Million
18. Lady Antebellum- 28.05 Million
19. Nickelback- 27.8 Million
20. Motley Crue- 26.8 Million
21. REO Speedwagon- 26 Million
22. Creed- 26 Million
23. Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million
24. 3 Doors Down- 24.5 Million
25. OneRepublic- 24 Million
26. Sade- 23.5 Million
27. Kansas- 23 Million
28. Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million
29. Paramore- 22 Million
30. Fun- 22 Million
31. Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million
32. Daughtry- 20 Million
33. The Fray- 20 Million
34. Three Days Grace- 20 Million
35. The Monkees- 18 Million
36. Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million
37. Styx- 17.5 Million
38. Korn- 17.25 Million
39. Limp Bizkit- 17 Million
40. Bad Company- 16.650 Million
41. Shinedown - 16.550 Million
42. Disturbed- 16.5 Million
43. Casting Crowns- 16.5 Million
44. Sugarland- 16 Million
45. INXS- 16 Million
46. Wings- 16 Million
47. Poison- 15.750 Million
48. No Doubt- 15.6 Million
49. Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million
50. Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million
51. The Offspring- 15 Million
52. The Cranberries- 15 Million
53. The Band Perry- 14.5 Million
54. Evanescence- 14.5 Million
55. Duran Duran- 14 Million
56. Toto- 14 Million
57. My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million
58. Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million
59. Breaking Benjamin- 13.5 Million
60. Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million
61. Dan + Shay 13.5 Million
62. Counting Crows- 13 Million
63. Skilliet- 13 Million
64. Whitesnake- 12.650 Million
65. The Killers- 12.6 Million
66. MercyMe- 12.6 Million
67. Survivor- 12.5 Million
68. Blink 182- 12.1 Million
69. Live- 12 Million
70. Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million
71. Little Big Town- 11.5 Million
72. Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million
73. Savage Garden- 11.5 Million
74. Judas Priest- 11.1 Million
75. Scorpions- 11.1 Million
76. All American Rejects- 11.1 Million
77. Loverboy- 11 Million
78. Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million
79. Owl City- 11 Million
80. Three Dog Night- 11 Million
81. X Ambassadors- 11 Million
82. Godsmack- 10.6 Million
83. Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million
84. 38 Special- 10.5 Million
85. Florence and the Machine- 10.5 Million
86. Bush- 10.5 Million
87. Muse- 10.5 Million
88. Men at Work- 10.5 Million
89. The Black Keys- 10.5 Million
90. Slipknot- 10.2 Million
91. Staind- 10.050 Million
92. Sublime- 10 Million
93. Clean Bandit- 10 Million
94. Air Supply- 9.5 Million
95. Foster the People- 9.5 Million
96. 5 Seconds of Summer- 9.5 Million
97. Tool- 9.3 Million
98. Rage Against the Machine- 9.3 Million
99. Goo Goo Dolls- 9.1 Million
100. System of the Down- 9 Million

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 10:28am


I should mention that I am surprised that the lack of Early Influence Kraftwerk.

But let me say my piece on that: If Early Influence is, in part, meant to be defined as "Not Rock and Roll" the Kraftwerk fit that definition. As Nick Bambach said recently:

"At one point or another, both Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails used guitars and other traditional rock instruments in their records. Kraftwerk, on the other hand, stuck with their computers and I think that's part of the reason why the voters keep snubbing them"

And Philip said during his 5 I of Kraftwerk in November:
"Rock and roll is generally defined as drawing from the traditions of blues and country music. Even with the teutonic, danceable beats, the connection from those traditions to Kraftwerk isn't exactly a straight line, and some would say non-existent."

So Kraftwerk do fit in the "Not Rock and Roll" since of EI. But chronologically, it's bogus to put them in EI. As someone who went to the museum, the EI's are among the first things you see on the ground floor. Seeing the collection of EI's together, Kraftwerk would look out of place. Even the backdoored EI's Wanda Jackson and Freddie King look like they belong, but Kraftwerk being an EI just looks strange, bizarre, an arbitrary.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 12:07pm


Do you guys think that Mariah Carey and Eurythmics both getting into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year will help them to both get Rock Hall nominations next year for the 2021 class?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 12:37pm


Richie,

Anything is possible, but I doubt it. The former is the next logical step in inducting divas, the latter has been nominated before and came in the top 7 that year in the fan vote (but thanks to DMB we now know just how little the fan vote actually counts even if the Hall promotes it as such.)

Posted by Follower on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 12:50pm


Whitney Houston now in, her cousin Dionne Warwick needs to get inducted for next year's class first, then we can start talking about Mariah Carey. She is one of those acts who should get the most votes from the voting body like Nina Simone.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 13:00pm


"Whitney Houston now in, her cousin Dionne Warwick needs to get inducted for next year's class first, then we can start talking about Mariah Carey. She is one of those acts who should get the most votes from the voting body like Nina Simone.

Posted by The Dude "

Dionne would need to start staring long at the crystal ball

Posted by jay k on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 14:50pm


I know it's really early, but besides the obvious two FYE locks/shoo-ins in Foo Fighters and Jay-Z, who do you guys see being nominated next year for the 2021 class?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 16:12pm


Richie, only other 'big' name there is Robyn. A definite candidate for induction some day, but unless Irving Azoff manages her, cannot see it happening as FYE.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 16:38pm


Next year's ballot predictions
The Carpenters
Peter Frampton
Foo Fighters
The Prodigy
Whitesnake
Carole King
Pat Benatar

Posted by Liam McNicholas on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 17:31pm


https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_hall-of-fame-2020.html

CRITIQUE OF THE 2020 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES BY SAMPSON OF DIGITAL DREAM DOOR

OVERVIEW

There are two ways to look at the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame Class Of 2020. The first, and more cynical, way speaks less to who got in and more to who the nomination committee is pushing which means the pool of candidates voters have to choose from continues to feature a disproportionate number of second tier acts from the 1970's, thereby virtually ensuring that less qualified candidates will slip in at the expense of far more worthy acts from later years who are still waiting for a nomination.

But the second, and more charitable, way to look at the Class of 2020 is to say that of the sixteen nominees on the ballot this year five of the six who made it came from among the most qualified candidates giving them a far better percentage in that regard than in past years.

That might not seem like much to celebrate since all Halls Of Fame are designed to honor the most qualified people in their field, but considering the less than stellar history of this particular institution it's always a surprise when they actually manage to pull it off.

THE MAIN PERFORMER INDUCTEES

DEPECHE MODE

For years The Hall seemed to look down on synthesizer driven music as being an anathema to the organic instruments rock had been built on, but styles change over time and that may finally start being recognized. Depeche Mode becomes the first of three synth-based acts to be nominated in recent years to get in and while they arguably had less influence than either Devo or Kraftwerk in this regard, they had far more commercial success thanks to adhering to more mainstream sounds, something which undoubtedly helped their candidacy. The hope is that their induction may lead to more consideration for 80's and 90's dance-rock which made synthesizers even more popular than these guys did, but their induction is well-deserved.

THE DOOBIE BROTHERS

The most surprising thing about The Doobie Brothers induction is that they hadn't already made it years before... or even been nominated! They seem to fit the profile the Hall slavishly respects - a white 70's band with a steady presence on Classic Rock radio. But while it would've been far nicer to see any one of about a dozen far more deserving hip-hop acts from the late 80's and early 90's who've yet be considered get their spot on the ballot (and make it into the Hall), you can't really criticize The Doobie Brothers' candidacy itself much. They were consistent hitmakers for a really long time with solid musical chops and if nothing else it means there's now one less 70's dinosaur band to consider in the future.

WHITNEY HOUSTON

The biggest name of this year's class won't be on the stage, which is a shame for a multitude of reasons, the least of which means there won't be the chance to hear one of the greatest vocalists in history tear the house down. But as overdue as her induction is there's sure to be more focus on the fact that she is the only female inducted, as well as even some who find her brand of music to be too far outside of their narrow opinion of what rock entails. But Houston's body of work from the 80's was some of the best celebratory dance-rock ever made and her vocal talent in all styles she tackled was staggering. It would've been nice to have Chaka Khan, one of the few vocalists who could compete with Whitney, on stage to add another woman to the rolls, but at least the Hall finally got one of its more glaring omissions taken care of.

NINE INCH NAILS

You'd think that now that artists who debuted in the entire first half of the 1990's are eligible there'd be far more inductees who represent that era, but Nine Inch Nails are just one of two in this year's class to fit the bill. The fact this was already NIN's third appearance on the ballot shows that The Hall was determined that this niche be focused on first. Ironically though while Trent Reznor was lumped in with the alternative scene of that era his industrial rock style was almost a category unto itself. Yet there's no questioning its impact or quality and going strictly by credentials it'd be hard to justify their exclusion.

THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G.

When there's one candidate on the ballot who towers over the others in terms of impact and prestige in their field you'd think it would be assured they'd be destined to headline the festivities as soon as they're eligible. But when it comes to rap, and black artists in general, The Hall has proven that's hardly the case, so the fact that The Notorious B.I.G. made it on his first year of eligibility is a relief as much as it is something to be celebrated. His credentials are beyond question and though his tragic murder cut short his career just as he was entering his prime, Biggie's short time on top produced some of the most iconic anthems of the era as he himself became one of the defining artists of the 90's rock scene that saw hip-hop become its dominant commercial and artistic style thanks in large part to his indelible work.

T.REX

The weakest entrant of this year's class, though not completely without merit, their induction over slightly more qualified candidates shows that the 1970's still have a firmer grip on the electorate than is justified. But while T. Rex weren't even the best act from that decade on the ballot - not when Rufus & Chaka Khan were there - the glam rock outfit were iconic enough to be worth at least some healthy consideration and their run of eleven Top Ten hits in Great Britain gives this year's class a more international flavor than it'd have otherwise. When looked at from that perspective their inclusion is hardly a bad thing.

NON-PERFORMERS
JON LANDAU, IRVING AZOFF

Each year The Hall uses this category, now named after Ahmet Ertegun, for transparently self-serving purposes. When the general election produces no females or black inductees, as is too often the case, The Hall tries to sidestep the (entirely warranted) charges of misogyny and racism by inducting someone from those demographics to shield themselves from criticism. Yet when the election actually shows some minimal diversity, like this year, that's when The Hall gleefully rubs its hands together because it's free to induct their friends who otherwise are completely undeserving of any such "honor".

Jon Landau was a rock critic in the 60's who went on to serve as Bruce Springsteen's manager and while he may have been fine at that job about all it is deserving of is a seat at the Springsteen table for Thanksgiving, not a Hall Of Fame induction.

Irving Azoff was the manager of The Eagles, so he's presumably got a few more Thanksgivings to be invited to, but his real power in music came in business deals, including the controversial merger of Ticketmaster and Live Nation which is now under federal investigation for multiple anti-trust charges. Maybe The Hall just wanted to honor him before he was imprisoned.

Everything that is wrong with The Hall Of Fame is laid bare with these shameful inductions... Landau for one has been a longtime member of the Hall's own nominating committee, making it a clear case of nepotism on top of it being undeserving for purely subjective reasons, while Azoff has contributed greatly to the monopolization of the industry that hurts artists and consumers alike.

But when there's no independent oversight and the lords of the manor answer to no one but themselves this is what you can expect.

RECAP

The Non-Performer disgrace aside, this year's induction class at least is pretty respectable and contains no outright egregious inductees among the Main Performers.

That still doesn't mean it's flawless, as the electorate's white male bias is still far too apparent, not to mention dragging its feet on more modern candidates. Though on the surface two acts each from the 1970's, 80's and 90's would seem to be fair and equitable, it needs to be remembered that the 1970's have been eligible for well over a quarter century and yet they still get the same amount of entrants as the 1990's which has only seen artists from that decade on the ballot for five years.

But that also ties in to the Hall's troubling racial history, as it sees fit to basically cap the hip-hop candidates at one per year even though rap has been the most dominant style of rock for the past 35 years. By doing this they ensure that there's not a huge influx of black voters - since inducted artists get votes - which would inevitably tilt the electorate away from the Hall's avowed stylistic preferences.

You could even say that it's hardly a surprise that the two black artists won't be getting votes in the future since both Houston and Biggie are deceased, as was 2Pac two years ago. When you look at the multitude of hip-hop and black vocal groups of the late 80's and 90's that have yet to even be nominated despite being entirely deserving of induction you can see how the Hall works. By keeping out De La Soul, Wu-Tang Clan, Outkast, Salt-n-Pepa, A Tribe Called Quest, En Vogue, Geto Boys, TLC, Boyz II Men, et. all, it serves to keep that voting constituency artificially low.

If you don't think this form of subtle disenfranchisement enters into their thinking you haven't been paying attention to The Hall's long and troubling history in these matters. They've routinely done this in the past, failing to ever consider Kool & The Gang, The Pointer Sisters, Maze featuring Frankie Beverly, The Gap Band, The Commodores, The Chi-Lites, The Delfonics and The Ohio Players which would've brought in lots more black perspectives that would've undoubtedly had a significant effect on the results of the last ten to fifteen years of elections. So instead they look to induct black solo artists (Bill Withers, Bobby Womack, Darlene Love) or deceased acts to keep the racism charges at bay while stuffing the ballots with white groups with plenty of living members that will be more likely to vote for their peers down the road.

This year was no exception as now there will be more than a dozen white guys from the various groups inducted this year who'll get ballots in the future, thereby ensuring the cultural perspective of the voting body remains largely homogeneous.

All of which means that taking The Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame seriously is a perilous proposition. If the artists you personally prefer are the ones being rewarded you might think that's all that matters, but the validity of the institution itself, and thus the legitimacy of the inductees, is only achieved when all eras and styles are evaluated fairly and rewarded based on universally objective standards.

The Hall Of Fame has yet to ascribe that thinking and until it does, even when it comes away with a decent class of inductees as it does in 2020, the questions regarding its methods will still remain.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 20:42pm


There he goes again, Mr. Only Black Music Matters ranting about how he wants marginal black acts inducted at the expense of more worthy white acts.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 21:06pm


I know it's really early, but who do you guys see being nominated next year for the 2021 class?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/17/2020 @ 22:58pm


Despite the glaring omission of many women and non-lightest skin pigmentation men, I think one thing in that article is flawed. Those that get ballots are in an age, in the 80s and 90s, who are of the post-segregation age. Whether or not personal biases play a role in their votes, as the electors age, we will get more people who have grown up in an all-encompassing desegregated nation and world. I think there is no reason some rock band of the 80s is strictly going to stick to their own kind of genre when voting, much as a rap group from the 90s. I, and most I know in my generation (80s and 90s growing up), were fans of the music more than the people. I hope this is a sign that things will be turning into a more inclusive scene as the future turns on. That also includes getting rid of biases based on any factor, and just inducting the best. Including pigments from the darkest to the lightest, and not paying attention to gender.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 01/18/2020 @ 01:31am


Will N.,

This Class is certainly different from the Classes from the Days of Old. Many of which I covered in my recent series. I first actually watched a Hall ceremony in. 1999 when Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen and Dusty Springfield and a few others Of 60s and 70s were Inducted . We have come a long way from those. I covered a lot of Classes after that. As you know with Acts like Traffic, Bob Seger, ZZ Top,Van Halen, REM, DC 5, Jeff Beck and many others .
That series continues in February.

So here we are with the 2020 Class.It has its merits. I do agree after some thought that the Doobie. Brothers will open the Ceremony . That will get the crowd started with Standard Classic Rock. Either you or another regular said that. I am also glad that Whitney Houston is inducted. She has a killer Voice and she is one of the most famous singers In the world. I an also glad Whitney got in after a 10 year wait. And Like you I am a Rock guy. I will have more later

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01/18/2020 @ 06:16am


With NIN now in, these are the industrial bands that should get in next years from now. I don't care if it's a niche genre, there are a lot of Hall worthy names from their world musically.

Ministry
Godflesh
Skinny Puppy
Throbbing Gristle
Monte Cazazza
Cabaret Voltaire
KMFDM
Big Black
The Killing Joke
Coil

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 01/18/2020 @ 08:39am


Richie, here's a list I think is relatively realistic for next year, and my process getting there.

So based on the last few years, an average nomination list looks something like this, genre-wise:
2 New Wave
2 Mainstream Classic Rock
2 90s Alternative
2 70s Hard Rock/Early Metal
1 Hip Hop
1 Glam/Art Rock
1 Modern Pop
1 80s Pop Rock
1 Funk
1 Punk
1 Electronic
1 Singer/Songwriter Folk

On average, it also is roughly half composed of first-time nominees, and has around five nominees returning from the previous years nominee list.

So, based on that, my prediction for next years nominee list looks something like this:
Joy Division/New Order**
The Go-Gos**
The Guess Who**
Boston**
Rage Against the Machine
Foo Fighters**
Judas Priest*
Thin Lizzy*
Jay-Z**
New York Dolls
Cyndi Lauper**
Pat Benatar*
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan*
Husker Du**
Kraftwerk*
Carole King

* = Returning Nominees from 2020
** = First Time Nominees

Posted by RG on Saturday, 01/18/2020 @ 09:43am


@ Richie

Here's my take for next year's nominees! I also think they'll be a couple more acts than what we recently had for more diversity.

Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Boston
Pat Benatar
Foo Fighters
Soundgarden
Judas Priest
Thin Lizzy
Jay-Z
Mott the Hopple
Cyndi Lauper
The Meters
The Buzzcocks
Kraftwerk
Beck
LL Cool J
Dionne Warwick

Who will make it?

Duran Duran
Boston
Pat Benatar
Foo Fighters
Thin Lizzy
Jay-Z
Dionne Warwick

If room for extras

Soundgarden
Kraftwerk
Cyndi Lauper

Whaddya think?

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 01/18/2020 @ 10:41am


Will N.,

Just to continue with a response to you posts from Wed. I have mixed feelings about Depeche Mode. I was opposed to the synth pop scene as a whole although I did like some other New Wave acts like Simple Minds and Duran Duran. I get it about the following. They have a nice body of work. I don't own any Depeche Mode. They deserve it based on the following that has never included me. T. Rex, I have been predicting all year, since they were mentioned a bunch in last years ceremony, and since Roxy Music went in last year, I felt pretty strongly too that T. Rex would followup Roxy Music as a British success. I originally predicted Notorious B.I.G.back in September.After awhile I was hoping Notorious BIG would get bumped to next year to allow space for a Rock artist, like Judas Priest but I guess this makes sense possibly following in the footsteps of Tupac? Not really sure, I do not know enough about Rap music.
Which leads me to the highlight of the Class, Nine Inch Nails, who should close the Show. I agree with that. But I have never been a fan of Nine Inch Nails.I am not into any extreme Industrial music. You mentioned that NIN never fails to deliver with primal type emotion and fierce emotion. I know about the Woodstock '94 Live video actually. I have music knowledge beyond my music tastes. I figure NIN will close the same way Nirvana and Pearl Jam closed in their ceremonies. I can agree with that. In the spirit of an open mind I sampled Closer last week on I tunes. Darin RG can appreciate that even though I am not a fan at all. It's the same way Darin RG understood the Inclusion of acts like the Chicago and Moody Blues. 2 key acts of mine. By the way despite all my Classic rock, I know some things about NIN and also Skinny Puppy. Will N., I am guessing you know them. I can't name a Skinny Puppy tune. But I know who they are.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 01/18/2020 @ 15:58pm


Does this year's induction class remind you guys of the 2015 induction class when we had a lot of deceased acts get in that year (Lou Reed, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The '5' Royales and most of The Paul Butterfield Blues Band) and we had a lot of tribute performances at that year's ceremony, Does this year's induction class remind you guys of 2015 with a lot of deceased acts getting in this year (Biggie, Whitney Houston and most of T. Rex) and we'll have a lot of tribute performances at this year's ceremony, Does this year's class remind you guys of 2015?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/18/2020 @ 16:33pm


richie,

Yes, the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony Is very similar to and will probably be only slightly better than the 2015 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony (which had been the nadir of ceremonies- in my honest opinion). For future reference, this is what happens when no progressive rock acts are nominated, or inducted.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/18/2020 @ 21:10pm


Does anyone know if they're going to use the Singles Category again?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 01/18/2020 @ 21:29pm


@ Enig

NIN is considered as "crossover prog" other than industrial and alt-rock, so they're technically the closest you could get this year when it comes to your preferences in music.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 01/18/2020 @ 22:11pm


"Does anyone know if they're going to use the Singles Category again?"

- Follower

God forbid, I hope not; the Singles Category needs to be eliminated for good.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 01/18/2020 @ 22:15pm


My WAY TOO EARLY predictions for the 2021 ballot. I think they will be around 20 to try to sate some of the bashing they're already taking

1. Soundgarden-The third of the Seattle sound bands has tasted the ballot, and I see them continuing until they get in.
2. Foreigner-Lou Gramm and crew seem a logical next first-time 70s nom, and they will win the hearts of the classic rock purists.
3. Kraftwerk-Again, the perennial bridesmaids will be on the ballot. I keep hoping one year their perseverance will be rewarded. The RRHOF still has a huge black eye for the Chic debacle.
4. Duran Duran -They become my favorite of all the 80s bands to not only be nominated, but to go in on their first try. With Depeche Mode finally getting over the hump, logically it makes sense.
5. Snoop Dogg-I may be the only Snoop advocate on this page, but his celebrity and huge fan base make him a big draw for the RRHOF, and he would nicely complete the West Coast pantheon with NWA and Tupac already in.
6. Pat Benatar-A victim of having way too much talent on the ballot and the voters sticking to their guns with 6 inductees, I see her as an early favorite for induction next year
7. Tina Turner-she is an acceptable candidate for the Hall as she becomes another female nominee, but again, she would be a multiple inductee, which doesn't increase the female count nor the nonwhite count of the Hall
8. Iron Maiden-I think a big shocker is Judas Priest will get a year to cool their jets and Maiden will get another crack
9. Rage Against the Machine-Tom Morello's band is definitely going to be a favorite to be on the ballot until they are inducted with his literal ties to the committee
10. Smashing Pumpkins-As I thought NIN should have gone in when they were first eligible, the same holds true for the Pumpkins. Consider this, if you want: rock band; D'arcy obviously is a woman and James Iha is nonwhite. Affirmative action easy made for the Hall.
11. Motley Crue-A slight surprise that DMB was nominated instead of them because of trends, I think Crue has a decent shot to get a crack next year, still hot off their biopic and headlining tour
12. The Guess Who-a band who should have been in years ago, I think their Canadian status probably, like Rush, has hindered their ascension. Can be considered a 60s band in some respects, and that might resonate with older voters
13. Dave Mathews Band-hard to say if they'll be back right away. If Foo Fighters get a nom, which I'm kind of going against the grain and saying they won't, DMB won't be here
14. Bad Company-another deserving 70s band, and Paul Rodgers is another icon that they need to get in while he's still alive and in good health.
15. Kate Bush -with the push in new wave and progressive sounds, the First Woman of solo new wave acts should be revisisted
16. Eurythmics-Another very talented act that could benefit from Depeche Mode's induction, and linearly similar in format to them than Duran Duran
17. Outkast-Imma shock the world and predict 2(!) rap acts on the same ballot. Likewise, I think Jay Z very well might be skipped for a year or two, but I predicted the same with Biggie, so 50/50
18. Jethro Tull-The band I was most disappointed to not see on the ballot this year, I think they will get a nod but induction gets harder every year with newer genres becoming more represented.
19. Beck-I had to throw a curveball in, and white Canadian dude who occasionally raps and is heralded as a critical darling should see his first nom
20. The Commodores-it seems like it's been a long time since a 70s funk/R&B band has been recognized. The Spinners should have been in a long time ago, and seems like they're forgotten. It's time to give Lionel Richie a crack and see if he can get some love. Apologies for my lack of knowledge, but I believe they haven't been nominated ever, amazingly.

This list will probably change drastically, but this is my knee jerk reaction right now. I welcome all thoughts and feedback

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 02:50am


I should amend--I completely spaced Rufus and Chaka Khan when I mentioned funk/R&B. I honestly always just automatically exclude them, because it seems they, like MC5 and it seems tragically with Kraftwerk, are just names thrown up as tokens to show they are recognizing artists without really taking seriously their chances to go in.

That said, the Commodores have Lionel Richie, who is a huge name. He might give them more of a punch than any other remaining 70s funk act

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 02:57am


I will share some more thoughts about the 2020 RnR Hall of Fame Class.

I just want to say More about the Inductees. I will start with Depeche Mode. Depeche Mode have have been inducted after a few nominations. I forget how many. I mean I guess I can appreciate Depeche Mode, But I don't own anything. by them. They are definitely NOT my cup of tea. Back in the 80s I was not a fan of synth Based acts. There are 3 synth based acts that have been nominated in recent years. Sampson of Digital Dream Door stated that fact. I am referring to some things he said without all the Marginal Black acts that have almost no chance. He says it pretty good about Depeche Mode.

The Doobie Brothers I have now been Inducted. This is another triumph for Classic Rock. They are a White 70s band that are still all over Classic Rock radio. Like Will N., I like a lot of obscure songs from them. South City Midnight Lady, Clear as the Driven Snow, Evil Woman(NOT the ELO song) and I Cheat the Hangman. They were a key 70s band just like Chicago and ELO who were inducted in recent years. I am a pretty big fan.

Whitney Houston has a Killer Voicez. She is very deserved in the RnR Hall of Fame . I say this even though I am a Rock guy. Sadly she will Not be able to be on the stage. She is one of the greatest Vocalists In history . Her induction is Very overdue. I think she is more deserved than Janet Jackson perhaps. In any case she is the only female Inducted this year. I just know there will be a nice Tribute to Whitney Houston. That's it for now. More later.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 06:44am


The Dude,

Please let me amend my earlier statement:

No, I still do not consider Nine Inch Nails to be a prog band. However, I do consider Duran Duran and The Zombies to both be prog bands, but are they listed as such on http://www.progarchives.com? No, because even the staff at Progarchives have their own biases. Case in point: their reviews of Rush: "Exit... Stage Left" and Rush: "Clockwork Angels Tour," In my honest opinion, two of Rush's greatest and therefore two of the greatest live recordings by any "progressive rock" band, period. So, do they warrant five stars? No, they average about 4. Why? Because they were not released by either: Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator, or Pink Floyd. Case in point: "Moving Pictures" is 17th on their list of greatest prog studio albums, after: "Mirage" by Camel. So, I would also take what Prog Archives says with a grain of salt. On the other hand, Digital Dream Door lists "Different Stages" as first and "Exit... Stage Left" as tenth among live prog albums. Yet, they also have their own biases, as well.

richie,

Yes, the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony Is very similar to and will probably be only slightly better than the 2015 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony (which had been the nadir of ceremonies- in my honest opinion). For future reference, this is what happens when no major progressive rock acts are either nominated, or inducted.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 07:05am


Last I checked, the worst class in the history of the Hall was 2011 or 2016. I wonder if there's anyone who thinks this class can rival it.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 10:54am


Just wondering, has every act commented on their induction?

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 11:30am


The 2020 Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees have been announced and they are:

In the Non-Performing Songwriters category:

Pharrell Williams and Chad Hugo (The Neptunes)
Rick Nowels
William "Mickey" Stevenson

In the Performing Songwriters category:

Mariah Carey
Eurythmics
The Isley Brothers
Steve Miller

Do you guys think that Mariah Carey and Eurythmics both getting into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year will help them to both get Rock Hall nominations next year for the 2021 class especially with The Cure and Janet Jackson getting in last year and Depeche Mode and Whitney Houston getting in this year?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 11:38am


"Last I checked, the worst class in the history of the Hall was 2011 or 2016. I wonder if there's anyone who thinks this class can rival it." -Follower

2011 seems to be really unpopular. I actually thought it was a class full of quality performers, but didn't have that big name to get everybody excited. 2016 was awful, IMO. None of the acts were undeserving, but they made for an extremely bland, hyper-vanilla combination. I actually felt bad for N.W.A having to be part of it. They felt really tacked on.

This years class is strong. It's got good diversity and quite a few generationally important acts. Most of the disparagement of it that I've seen has been from pouty rockists, but you're never going to please that crowd if you want a class or HoF with any flavor whatsoever.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 12:12pm


Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 13:01pm


Kat Boyd just posted a picture of the latest Kiosk votes.

1. Motley Crue
2. Foo Fighters
3. Pat Benatar
4. Dave Matthews Band
5. Iron Maiden
6. Blink-182
7. Boston
8. Soundgarden
9. Phish (you have squint, but you can tell they're #9)

So we have 3 of last years nominees, a guaranteed FYE, last year's "winner", and the usual Blink-182 and Iron Maiden.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 14:24pm


Kat Boyd just posted a picture of the latest Kiosk votes.

1. Motley Crue
2. Foo Fighters
3. Pat Benatar
4. Dave Matthews Band
5. Iron Maiden
6. Blink-182
7. Boston
8. Soundgarden
9. Phish (you have squint, but you can tell they're #9)

So we have 3 of last years nominees, a guaranteed FYE, last year's "winner", and the usual Blink-182 and Iron Maiden.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 14:24pm


Mötley Crue is gonna be on tour with Def Leppard, Joan Jett and Poison soon with eleven shows sold out so fat. That's why they're on the top spot. But with the kiosk rigged, I feel like they're gonna have to wait a few years longer, which is sad. If they do get nominated and inducted next year, then it should open the doors more wider for Judas Priest and Iron Maiden.

Foo Fighters will make it next year, since Dave Grohl is on the Nom Com, and the Hall wants him to be a two-timer. Pat Benatar will get nominated again and hopefully inducted. They gotta make a response for those who want more women in. Boston has a really good shot this year thanks to their connection to Irving Azoff.

I could see Soundgarden nominated again, but it might take a couple of years to get in.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 16:35pm


Mötley Crue is gonna be on tour with Def Leppard, Joan Jett and Poison soon with eleven shows sold out so far. That's why they're on the top spot. But with the kiosk rigged, I feel like they're gonna have to wait a few years longer, which is sad. If they do get nominated and inducted next year, then it should open the doors more wider for Judas Priest and Iron Maiden.

Foo Fighters will make it next year, since Dave Grohl is on the Nom Com, and the Hall wants him to be a two-timer. Pat Benatar will get nominated again and hopefully inducted. They gotta make a response for those who want more women in. Boston has a really good shot this year thanks to their connection to Irving Azoff.

I could see Soundgarden nominated again, but it might take a couple of years to get in.

EDITED

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 16:37pm


The Dude,

As for DMB and Blink-182?

Since Motley Crue are literally banned from the Hall I think they shouldn't even be an option.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 16:49pm


There are inductees who have/had their own rap sheet and done terrible things. If the social justice warriors have a problem with Mötley getting get in at some point, then they should start their own by calling it "The Hall of Political Correctness."

In fact, I think the Rock Hall should offend everyone by inducting certain acts like GG Allen for instance who pushed the boundaries of punk content wise. If you thought Marylin Manson is the most terrifying shock rock figure, think again. Rage Against The Machine is far-left enough to offend the conservatives, and Varg Vikernes is far-right enough to offend to offend the liberals.

If the Rock Hall is gonna piss people off, then they need to do it in a good way, so everyone could be happy rather than doing the bad way like recently.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 17:16pm


Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 17:38pm


Richie,

Hopefully the backlash for DMB and Pat Benatar not getting in which we are already seeing will get them in along with Foo FIghters and Jay-Z next year.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 22:38pm


Richie,

Hopefully the backlash for DMB and Pat Benatar not getting in which we are already seeing will get them in along with Foo FIghters and Jay-Z next year.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 22:38pm


I know it's really early, but besides the obvious two FYE locks/shoo-ins in Foo Fighters and Jay-Z, who do you guys see being nominated for the 2021 class?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/19/2020 @ 22:58pm


Looks like the Singles Category is back with or without a vengeance.

This is probably what they'll do to MC5 and/or Kraftwerk.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 09:58am


@ Follower

This is why we desperately need a bigger class in the future by adding a second ceremony for the 50's and 60's.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 10:05am


Ben,

Busy weekend, and I did not respond to your comments right away. Briefly, you mentioned the upcoming Induction ceremony, and also the band Skinny Puppy, in relation to them being an influence on Nine Inch Nails. This is true, as they are a Canadian early Industrial band formed around 1982 in the Vancouver area, and they are one of the early Industrial bands credited with starting the genre. They also involved horror and gory type theatrics onstage, in the shock rock and Goth rock realm. Nine Inch Nails did open for them on a few shows, when they were just starting out in 1988, and one of NIN's first singles was inspired by a Skinny Puppy single called "Dig It". I only know of them from having some songs on a few movie soundtracks like Underworld, the Doom Generation, and one of the Saw movies. There were a few more, but I'm not familiar with very much.

On the induction ceremony, yes, I think The Doobie Brothers could be very likely to open, as that would be my prediction. Then I could see them shifting over to Notorious BIG tribute, and then segueing into a Whitney Houston tribute, with some great select artists for both inductees. Probably the In Memorium tribute to artists lost in 2019, at around the halfway point, with something on Neil Peart, as well. Now with most of the Tributes out of the way, I think Depeche Mode would be next, to start the second half of the show, followed by a T. Rex tribute and honors, with some top names. And then Nine Inch Nails should be closing the show with some sort of intense and spectacular finale. Just a lot of tributes so they really have to bring out the A- game to make up for this with some strong performances..

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 10:11am


The Dude,

I recall John Skykes suggesting that a while back. But this class is the final Wenner class, not the first Skykes class.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 11:44am


@ Follower

With him as the new head of the foundation, it's possible he might get rid of it and replace it with a surprise induction or something else this year.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 11:57am


I know it's really early, but besides the obvious two FYE locks/shoo-ins in Foo Fighters and Jay-Z, who do you guys see being nominated for the 2021 class?. and also, out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 17:42pm


Richie

Now that T.Rex is in I guess that either Mott the Hoople, New York Dolls, Slade, or Sweet could be next. I could also a potential nomination for Mariah Carey or Dionne Warwick or both with Whitney Houston in. Other acts getting on the ballot are Duran Duran and Eurythmics would get new wave spots, 90's spots could go to Smashing Pumpkins and/or Soundgarden again. As far as returning nominees from this year I could see Pat Benatar, Todd Rundgren, Rufus featuring Chaka Khan or Chaka Khan solo, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, and MC5.

I'm not going make a prediction of who could be getting in next year. I'm going wait until the ballot for next year comes out.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 18:04pm


I would like to see any of these artists on the ballot for next year.

Bjork
Kate Bush
Mott the Hoople
Sweet
New York Dolls
Slade
The Pointer Sisters
The Waterboys
Joan Armatrading
Tori Amos
Robyn
Fiona Apple
Alanis Morrisette
Joy Division/New Order
Mariah Carey
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Commodores
Carole King
Carly Simon
Poco
Gram Parsons
Big Star
Smashing Pumpkins
Duran Duran
LaBelle
The Marvelettes
Lesley Gore
Neil Sedaka
Lucinda Williams
Ministry
Connie Francis
Cher
Tina Turner

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 18:35pm


The last 2 weeks have been Very busy. I've been doing Clerical for the Family. I took care of my Dad's Clerical things. His health was on decline so I took care of Accounts and bills. He passed away In Sept 2018. Lots to do after that. I took care of Paperwork for the Apartment of my Parents. They are both deceased now. My brother is the Successor. It's. A big Clerical event .

Now then I do agree that the Doobie Brothers will open the ceremony . And also that Nine Inch Nails will close. I am figuring. Out the order in the middle . More. On that another time. I want to cover the rest of the inductees.

Nine Inch Nails I can understand. I am not. A fan at all . I have never sat down listened to any of their music. There are 2 acts from the 1990s this year. The Hall is determined to represent the Altenavive music of the 90a. Nine Inch Nails get lumped In with Alternative scent of the 90s even though they are kind of in a. Separate category. With Industrial. Despite my lack of knowledge they have their impact. More later

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 18:41pm


https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.54202/title.eminems-music-to-be-murdered-by-album-poised-for-historic-billboard-200-debut

Eminem's 'Music To Be Murdered By' Album Poised For Historic Billboard 200 Debut

He may not be eligible until next year, but his possibilities of getting in as an FYE went through the roof! This is why Jazy-Z needs a home run induction first, so Em won't get a delay.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 19:11pm


I will. Continue my thoughts and explanations of the new Inductees. I was hoping Notorious B.I.G. would be bumped to next year to make space for a Rock artist. That would have made space for Pat Benatar for instance. This was following in the footsteps of Tupac Shakur. I really don't know enough about Rap. I said some of this earlier.

T. Rex was predicting all year. I had this feeling the Hall would want to follow up Roxy Music from last year. It seemed very likely that T. Rex would get a lot of Votes from Veteran Rock voters I agree with Will N. On this one. That's it on my Thoughts and explanations on this new Class for 2020. That's it for Now

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 22:14pm


My early predictions for the next nominees: Many have mentioned Duran Duran, but I think Eurythmics have a much higher benefit from the Depeche Mode induction. I do agree on Jay-Z and Foo Fighters as locks and I hope that Paul Shaffer keeps Willie Nelson in mind.

The next Band fitting into the T.Rex/Marc Bolan - Roxy Music/Ferry & Eno - Dire Straits/Mark Knopfler pattern (innovative Bands with legendary members that float right in with the first nomination) is Big Star with Alex Chilton. I would be pleased seeing them nominated.

Posted by MichaelEU on Monday, 01/20/2020 @ 23:11pm


MichaelEU,

On your early predictions for the 2021 nominees, I have to absolutely agree with you on Eurythmics having a much higher benefit from Depeche Mode's induction this year than Duran Duran, I think that Depeche Mode getting in this year (and The Cure getting in last year) helps Eurythmics greatly since they have previously been nominated once back in 2018, plus the fact that the Eurythmics will be inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year increases their chances for another nomination and an induction next year, so I think that they'll get their second nomination next year and get inducted this time around.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 01/21/2020 @ 00:05am


I wanted to acknowledge the breakdown and methodology that RG posted a few days ago on his more scientific approach, I guess, to the history of the spectrum of genres nominated in recent history and how it applies towards next years predictions. I thought he must have put some time and effort into this and I found it interesting. I did not see much response on his posting and list description, so since he did all the legwork for it, I thought I would repost his predictions, but with substituting 5 or 6 of my own picks into the list, using the same formula. See what you think..

INXS**
The B-52's**
The Guess Who**
Jethro Tull**
Rage Against the Machine
Foo Fighters**
Judas Priest*
Thin Lizzy*
Jay - Z**
New York Dolls
Tina Turner**
Pat Benatar*
The Commodores**
Buzzcocks**
Kraftwerk*
Carole King

** - denotes First Time Nominees
* - Returning Nominees from 2020

My substitution picks were:

INXS
The B-52's
Jethro Tull
Tina Turner
The Commodores
Buzzcocks

I deviated from the formula slightly with The Commodores, staying with an R&B/Funk artist, but being a First Time nominee instead of a Returning from 2020 artist. Other than that, my picks stay with the formula. Please refer to RG's original breakdown and predictions for complete information. I wanted to include Alice In Chains and Kate Bush into the mix, but they would not quite fit into the format. These probably not be my 2021 actual predictions, but I thought it was interesting and cool to use the Formula that RG had presented..

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 01/21/2020 @ 00:37am


I just want to say that even though I feel it's way too early IMO to start predicting predictions for 2021., that is a very interesting and cool breakdown and Formula that RG posted a few days ago. I'm not going to re write the whole list of RG or Will N. Are RG and Darin RG The sane day person. I like reading Darin RG's posts. He seems to be an expert on more Modern acts that I do not know well. RG May be someone different.
I particularly like the list of Will N. Above. I can definitely agree with the New wave choices of INXS and B52s. I have discussed B-52s with Will N. INXS is also worthy. I know both acts rather well. Your Classic Rock choices are accurate with Guess Who and Jethro Tull. I predicted Jethro Tull for this Hall season and they wee totally snubbed.
Speaking of snubs it is accurate that for 70s Hard Rock/Early Metal there would be Judas Priest and Thin Lizzy to return. They were certainly snubbed. They were nominated but then snubbed in the end. More much later on. That's it for now

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01/21/2020 @ 04:47am


If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent Unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart, therefore, here is my preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner (solo)
10. Foo Fighters
11. Mariah Carey
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Motörhead
14. Joy Division/New Order
15. Dave Matthews Band
16. Thin Lizzy
17. Eurythmics
18. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
19. MC5
20. Beck
21. Jay Z
22. Weezer
23. Phish
24. Cher
25. The Go-Gos
26. Sweet
27. Soundgarden

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 01/21/2020 @ 08:41am


https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/hard-rock-albums

Billboard's 2019 YEAR-END CHARTS
HARD ROCK ALBUMS

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/21/2020 @ 09:45am


I know everybody hates the SIngles Category, but what six songs from pre-1970 artists do you think will get in this way?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/21/2020 @ 12:28pm


Since the Blink-182 fans are so desperate for their favorite band to get an induction, I would accept them if these guys from the 90's come first.

AFI (Much more influential than ya think)
Alice In Chains
Deftones (Now eligible)
Faith No More
Foo Fighters (Will get in for next year's class)
Helmet
Jane's Addiction
Korn
Kyuss
The Melvins
Ministry
The Offspring
Pantera
Primus
Rage Against The Machine
Soundgarden
Stone Temple Pilots
Sublime
Tool
Type O Negative

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/21/2020 @ 14:45pm


As a big Blink fan, I would accept these acts off your list to go in before the boys:

The Offspring
Foo Fighters
RATM
Deftones
Soundgarden
STP
Tool

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 01/21/2020 @ 16:27pm


@Follower 6 songs that I feel will get in the singles category would be these right here

Born to Be Wild - Steppenwolf

Kick Out the Jams - MC5

Sleep Walk - Santo and Johnny

Earth Angel - The Penguins

Last Train to Clarksville - The Monkees

Since I Don't Have You - Jimmy Beaumont and the Skyliners

Posted by Edward Hawpe on Tuesday, 01/21/2020 @ 22:31pm


Which Classic Rock acts, Which 80's New Wave/Alternative acts and Which 90's Alternative acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 01/21/2020 @ 23:07pm


Edward Hawpe,

Born to be Wild was already done in the first year of the Singles Category.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 01:06am


Follower, I do hate the Singles Category. But here are 6. Songs I feel will be Inducted in this way.

In the Still of the Night- Five Satins (1954)
Misirlou- Dick Dale and his Del Tones(1962)
Shotgun- Junior Walker and his All Stars(1965)
Kicks-Paul Revere & the Raiders(1966)
Little Bit O' Soul-Music Explosion (1967)
Judy in Disguise-John Fred and his Playboy Band(1967)

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 04:43am


THE 2020 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTED MEMBERS

THE BREAKDOWN - GENDER, RACE, ALIVE, DEAD

21 INDUCTEES

20 MEN
1 WOMAN

14 LIVING
7 DEAD

18 WHITE MALE INDUCTEES
2 BLACK MALE INDUCTEES
1 BLACK FEMALE INDUCTEE

13 LIVING WHITE MEN
1 LIVING BLACK MAN
5 DEAD WHITE MEN
1 DEAD BLACK MAN
1 DEAD BLACK WOMAN

WHITNEY HOUSTON (FEMALE, BLACK, DEAD)

THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G. (MALE, BLACK, DEAD)

NINE INCH NAILS

01. Trent Reznor (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)

T. REX

01. Marc Bolan (MALE, WHITE, DEAD)
02. Steve Currie (MALE, WHITE, DEAD)
03. Mickey Finn (MALE, WHITE, DEAD)
04. Bill Legend (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)

DEPECHE MODE

01. Vince Clarke (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
02. Andy Fletcher (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
03. Dave Gahan (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
04. Martin Gore (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
05. Alan Wilder (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)

THE DOOBIE BROTHERS

01. Jeff "Skunk" Baxter (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
02. John Hartman (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
03. Michael Hossack (MALE, WHITE, DEAD)
04. Tom Johnston (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
05. Keith Knudson (MALE, WHITE, DEAD)
06. Michael McDonald (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
07. John McFee (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
08. Tiran Porter (MALE, BLACK, ALIVE)
09. Patrick Simmons (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 05:36am


While FLR does keep track of who is dead now, I'd like to see him show us who was dead at the time. This 7 dead inductees is a large amount and hasn't been repeated since 2001. (Ritchie Valens, Freddie Mercury and five of The Flamingos were dead at the time)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 08:41am


Thank you Follower on Wednesday, 01.22.20 @ 01:06am for informing me on Born to Be Wild being inducted in the singles category. My substitute for that would have to be Must of Got Lost by The J Geils Band because they shaped such an amazing live sound and live show and this was one of the first big live songs to hit radio and had radio stations start considering live versions of songs rather than the studio versions like Baby, I Love Your Way by Peter Frampton and I Want You to Want Me by Cheap Trick.

Posted by Edward Hawpe on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 09:23am


Hey Guys,

Can I ask you guys some questions?.

I know it's really early, but besides the obvious two FYE locks/shoo-ins in Foo Fighters and Jay-Z, who do you guys see being nominated for the 2021 class?.

Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

Which Classic Rock acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

Which 80's New Wave/Alternative acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

Which 90's Alternative acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 09:55am


Follower,

What do you think of my. 6 songs for the Singles category. In the Still of the Night pick is dedicated to my Dad. He grew up in the 1940s and 50s. He mentioned this Song a couple of times. He was there for its inception in 1954.

Misirlou. Is the earliest of interest to me. It's from 1962. Dick Dale died a few years ago. Perfect tribute for him. Shotgun from 1965 was a huge Motown hit but the artist for this has almost NO chance for. Performer induction. Get back to me on those 6 Songs.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 10:04am


For those interested, I wrote a blog last year on which songs should be honored in the Singles Category. These are six songs that I believe cover the many facets of rock and roll (e.g., doo-wop, hip-hop, garage rock, folk). And these are six artists who I believe would probably not get a nomination in the Performers category anytime soon (or ever).

Don McLean's 'American Pie' (1971)
Little Eva's 'The Loco-Motion' (1962)
Screamin' Jay Hawkins' 'I Put a Spell on You' (1956)
The Penguins' 'Earth Angel' (1954)
The Sugarhill Gang's 'Rapper's Delight' (1979)
The Troggs' 'Wild Thing' (1966)

Explanations on why I chose these songs are listed in the link below -
https://audiovisualrepository.squarespace.com/blog/2019/3/21/predictions-for-the-2019-hof-singles-category

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 11:09am


This post if for Richie

I know you always love to asked us on what the next classes would look like a decade from now, so for the fun of it, I've made my own ten year prediction for ya. I hope they go with seven again, and I wouldn't be surprised how drastically different the future would be with the new head of the foundation.

Duran Duran
Boston
Pat Benatar
Foo Fighters
Thin Lizzy
Jay-Z
Dionne Warwick

INXS
Warren Zevon
Carole King
Soundgarden
Blue Öyster Cult
Eminem
Mariah Carey

B-52's
The Go-Go's
Tina Turner
Dave Matthews Band
Judas Priest
Coldplay
Judy Collins

Eurythmics
Foreigner
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Rage Against The Machine
Jethro Tull
Motorhead
Cher

Tears For Fears
Motley Crue
TLC
Jane's Addiction
The White Stripes
LL Cool J
Celine Dion

Devo
Iron Maiden
Destiny's Child
Beck
Linkin Park
Bad Company
Dolly Parton

Joy Division/New Order
Scorpions
Alicia Keys
Oasis
Eric B. & Rakim
ELP
Missy Elliott

The Smiths
Megadeth
King Crimson
Alice In Chains
Beyonce
Maroon 5
Selena

Stone Temple Pilots
Pantera
UFO
Kanye West
Amy Winehouse
Alanis Morissette
Siouxsie & The Banshees

Anthrax
A Tribe Called Quest
Slayer
Smashing Pumpkins
Wilco
Rihanna
Arcade Fire

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 13:04pm


Follower,

I would love to get your response to those 6 songs. I hate the Category but we got it. I mentioned a detail on 3 of them. Also Kicks was a huge hit In 1966. I focused on my knowledge of 60s. Singles .Get back to me. After your response I will probably not talk about this category much for awhile

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 13:14pm


This post is for Richie

I know you always love to asked us on what the next classes would look like a decade from now, so for the fun of it, I've made my own ten year prediction for ya. I hope they go with seven again, and I wouldn't be surprised how drastically different the future would be with the new head of the foundation.

Duran Duran
Boston
Pat Benatar
Foo Fighters
Thin Lizzy
Jay-Z
Dionne Warwick

INXS
Warren Zevon
Carole King
Soundgarden
Blue Öyster Cult
Eminem
Mariah Carey

B-52's
The Go-Go's
Tina Turner
Dave Matthews Band
Judas Priest
Coldplay
Judy Collins

Eurythmics
Foreigner
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Rage Against The Machine
Jethro Tull
Motorhead
Cher

Tears For Fears
Motley Crue
TLC
Jane's Addiction
The White Stripes
LL Cool J
Celine Dion

Devo
Iron Maiden
Destiny's Child
Beck
Linkin Park
Bad Company
Dolly Parton

Joy Division/New Order
Scorpions
Alicia Keys
Oasis
Eric B. & Rakim
ELP
Missy Elliott

The Smiths
Megadeth
King Crimson
Alice In Chains
Beyonce
Maroon 5
Selena

Stone Temple Pilots
Pantera
UFO
Kanye West
Amy Winehouse
Alanis Morissette
Siouxsie & The Banshees

Anthrax
A Tribe Called Quest
Slayer
Smashing Pumpkins
Wilco
Rihanna
Arcade Fire

EDITED

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 13:18pm


Ben,

All of those songs are good choices, since most of them are by pretty big snubs that are likely to be ignored thanks to the hall moving forward.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/22/2020 @ 15:17pm


Follower,

Thanks for your response. Those six songs are from Pre-1970. I stuck with that not later singles because Steve Van Zant has not. This seems to be his project.
I'm thinking there could be less 50s singles after 2 years of a few 50s songs In the Still of the Night is my one 50s pick. I think as time goes by there could be more focus on the 60s. I could of course be wrong. I think they will hold off on Kick Out the Jams. There must be a member of the board still Hoping for MC5 to have a victory. I do have instead a pop Rock song with Judy in Disguise.-1967. But I do hate the category. It just is what it is. That's that

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/23/2020 @ 04:42am


https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=top_tallies&ttt=T1A#search_section

List of the certified albums in America by acts who are not in the Hall with the exclusion of film soundtracks .

Cracked Rear View
Hootie & The Blowfish
21× Platinum

Come On Over
Shania Twain
20× Platinum

Self-titled
Boston
17x Platinum

No Fences
Garth Brooks
17× Platinum

Jagged Little Pill
Alanis Morissette
16x Platinum

...Baby One More Time
Britney Spears
14x Platinum

21
Adele
14x Platinum

Self-titled
Backstreet Boys
14x Platinum

Ropin' The Wind
Garth Brooks
14x Platinum

Bat Out Of Hell
Meat Loaf
14x Platinum

Nouveau Flamenco
Ottmar Liebert
14x Platinum

Millennium
Backstreet Boys
13x Platinum

II
Boyz II Men
12x Platinum

Wide Open Spaces
Dixie Chicks
12x Platinum

Pieces Of You
Jewel
12x Platinum

Breathless
Kenny G
12x Platinum

Kenny Rogers' Greatest Hits
Kenny Rogers
12x Platinum

Donde Jugaran Los Ninos
Mana
12x Platinum

Yourself Or Someone Like You
Matchbox Twenty
12x Platinum

No Jacket Required
Phil Collins
12x Platinum

The Woman In Me
Shania Twain
12x Platinum

Crazysexycool
TLC
12x Platinum

No String Attached
'N SYNC
11x Platinum

25
Adele
11x Platinum

Falling Into You
Celine Dion
11x Platinum

Human Clay
Creed
11x Platinum

James Taylor's Greatest Hits
James Taylor
11x Platinum

Devil Without A Cause
Kid Rock
11x Platinum

Hybrid Theory
Linkin Park
11x Platinum

Speakboxxx/The Love Below
Outkast
11x Platinum

FIJACION ORAL VOLUMEN 1
Shakira
11x Platinum

UP!
Shania Twain
11x Platinum

Self-titled
'N SYNC
10x Platinum

Opps...I Did It Again
Britney Spears
10x Platinum

Tapestry
Carole King
10x Platinum

Let's Talk About Love
Celine Dion
10x Platinum

Fly
Dixie Chicks
10x Platinum

The Marshall Matters LP
Eminem
10x Platinum

The Eminem Show
Eminem
10x Platinum

The Ultimate Hits
Garth Brooks
10x Platinum

Self-titled
Garth Brooks
10x Platinum

Sevens
Garth Brooks
10x Platinum

The Hits
Garth Brooks
10x Platinum

Faith
George Micheal
10x Platinum

Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em
Hammer
10x Platinum

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/23/2020 @ 15:49pm


Hey Guys,

Can I ask you guys some questions?.

a) I know it's really early, but besides the obvious two FYE locks/shoo-ins in Foo Fighters and Jay-Z, who do you guys see being nominated for the 2021 class?.

b) Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

c) Which Classic Rock acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

d) Which 80's New Wave/Alternative acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

e) Which 90's Alternative acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/23/2020 @ 19:07pm


Will N.,

I'm reflecting on a list you had a few days ago. I am aware those are not your actual predictions for 2021. There are usually some nominees that don't fit the formula. Joe Tex has been nominated before. He doesn't fit formula Todd Rundgren does not You could Call him a more unusual Singer/songwriter but he is Not singer/songwriter folk. Dave Matthews Band, who I think you hate i perhaps, Don't fit formula I would have to look at Nominees of years past for others that are not part of RG's formula. Do you know or think RG is Darin RG?They both have cool views.

Get back to me on that.I was Going to make a list based on the RG formula. But I will wait for actual 2021 hours predictions. I do think I would seriously for New Wave predict B-52s and Eurythmics. You may recall I picked B52s for a nominee this year. Guess Who and Jethro Tull are right on the money for Classic Rock nominees of 2021. I may predict the Spinners again. They are Not really part of the formula discussed. They are NOT folk. Those are some thoughts on actual predictions .I AM NOT MAKING ACTUAL PREDICTIONS for a LONG while.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 04:54am


The Guess Who originally started off as a garage rock band. But IF they do get nominated and inducted for next year's class, then they need to add the Sonics for 2022. I could easily picture David Fricke pushing for those guys.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 08:21am


A couple quick thoughts on the Guess Who. Growing up, I knew two of their songs..."American Woman" and "These Eyes". These Eyes automatically cements them as an AM radio staple in my mind, much like early Chicago and Steely Dan, but they were a legitimate rock band as well. There literally was a treasure trove of great stuff I discovered as I got older and the Internet became a thing. The fact you don't hear many of their songs played on the radio, in my mind, actually enhances their legitimacy for the RRHOF, because their stuff is fresher than say, an AC/DC or Van Halen who gets played to death on classic rock formats across the country. Their fans are louder and more demonstrative, but the Guess Who really is one of those classic rock acts whose star should be recognized and not dimmed by the masses who clamor for anyone to be inducted just because you hear their song on the radio (someone actually said Golden Earring needs to be in). The Guess Who stand the test of time for good sound, and they are Canadian, of whom there is a ridiculously low amount of artists in the RRHOF...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 09:58am


To me, a second induction ceremony is not only a necessity at this point but fairly easy to figure out.

Performer Inductees: The ballot consists of acts that made their first record fifty years prior. Such acts have now become ineligible for the other ceremony but are granted full Performer status. Kraftwerk would be a newly eligible for such a ballot, for example.

Ahmet Ertegun, Musical Excellence and Early Influences: And then the Hall inducts at least two a year from each of these categories. Holding such a ceremony annually would effectively clear the backlog while also making the other Performers ballot far more relevant and focused on the 80s and beyond.

Rock Hall Industry Honors would be a good name. Plenty of artists would want to perform or induct the people that wrote or produced their songs or inspired them, so each ceremony would be loaded with big names.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 10:21am


@ Casper

If a second induction ceremony does happen, do ya think there would be a second separate ballot to show in public or we would get a bigger ballot annually than previous years?

It's possible they could simply just announce the class for the second ceremony based on the votes and decisions from the Nom Com.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 11:09am


Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 17:59pm


Which Classic Rock acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?

Posted by joker on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 18:58pm


I think of all the nominees that lost out this year Kraftwerk, Pat Benatar and Judas Priest have the best chance at induction in 2021.

Classic rock acts that probably have the shot getting nominated are Jethro Tull, Foreigner, Bad Company and The Guess Who.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 19:19pm


Which 80's New Wave/Alternative acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 20:21pm


https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=280194&redirect=mobile

For Greg. F, Joker, K-Dawg, Philip, Ben, and Casper.

Boston is very likely to be Irving Azoff's next pet project. He signed them into MCA records in 86, and I could easily tell the Hall is trying to clear out acts who have or one Diamond album or more certified by the RIAA until there's a shortage (see my recent posts on this page). The newest additions of Biggie, Whitney and the Doobies are proof.

The link is above my comment for those who are wondering about Irving's history on his career as a manager and businessman. Lemme tell ya from my point of view: Not many of the acts he worked with are Hall material. Just a handful of them left and that's it. I'm hoping Boston, Warren Zevon and the Go-Go's will be his last projects in the next few years. STXY and Jimmy Buffett are the most doubtful.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 20:24pm


80's new wave/alternative act that could be nominated next year are either The Smiths, Joy Division/New Order, Devo, Eurythmics, INXS, Gary Numan/Tubeway Army, B-52s and Duran Duran.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 21:13pm


Which 90's Alternative acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 23:23pm


90's alternative acts I see getting nominated next are either Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, Alanis Morrisette, Bjork, Jane's Addiction, Alice in Chains, and Oasis.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 01/24/2020 @ 23:32pm


https://radioink.com/2020/01/21/local-radio-is-alive-and-well/

Local Radio Is Alive And Well

And the current head of the foundation know this.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 01/25/2020 @ 15:33pm


Which Female acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 01/25/2020 @ 18:38pm


Female artists that could be nominated next year Carole King, Carly Simon, Kate Bush, Bjork, Tina Turner, The Go-Go's, and Mariah Carey.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 01/25/2020 @ 21:33pm


Thanks for that article about Azoff, Dude. Seeing a more extensive list of artists that he's managed will be useful in helping to decide what song to use to honor him. I should state though, that I won't have a firm decision at least until after the live ceremony. Sometimes those presentation packages can help really cement which song or artist it should be. I can pretty much guarantee though, Azoff's will NOT be "Hotel California," because I freaking hate that song.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 01/25/2020 @ 22:10pm


I know it's really early, but besides the obvious two FYE locks/shoo-ins in Foo Fighters and Jay-Z, who do you guys see being nominated for the 2021 class?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 01/26/2020 @ 22:24pm


Casper,

That is a great idea about the 2nd Induction Ceremony. Your hypothetical proposal is that the ballot consists of acts that made their first record 50 years earlier. That sounds good. I have some questions.
"Such acts have now become ineligible for the other ceremony but are granted full Performer status" My first question is what do you mean by that? Are you saying that currently bands that are around over 50 years are ineligible because they are too old. You need to explain that. The basic concept is Cool. But what on earth do you mean by ineligible? Are you saying that 60s acts are Ineligible right Now for the other ceremony. It is difficult but Ineligible? Please explain or restate that. Once you tell me then I have other questions. Please let me know. PLease. Thanks

Posted by Ben on Monday, 01/27/2020 @ 06:03am


How I define a casual music listener:

The most obvious definition of that kind of person is he or she doesn't pay attention to music very much whatsoever, don't care about the name of the acts, songs, albums and/or group members when they only listen to feel good, and don't buy music at all or hardly do.

From my point of view on the blue collar workers, most of them are casual listeners who listen to music from the radio - mostly classic rock and country- when they're own their way from home and work, and lived at suburban, rural and somewhere between those areas. They're the type of casual listeners who not only care about being on time and getting things done, they're the same crowd who wanted bands like Kiss, Journey, Bon Jovi, and Def Leppard in the Hall. And they still want more with Pat Benatar, Mötley Crue, Boston, Bad Company, and Foreigner.

While the demands are high for Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Motorhead. But they came from fans of hard rock and metal whose favorites are mostly niche/semi-niche level acts who only got zero, one or two songs on local radio. The only common ground I see the hard rock/metal fans and the blue collar casual listeners is they do want bands like Mötley, Blue Öyster Cult and Scorpions in.

I'm sure there are many more kinds of casual listeners.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 01/27/2020 @ 11:04am


Ripping off Alex ripping off Joe, what are your "Sinister Six" acts you thin should never be in the Hall?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/27/2020 @ 12:13pm


Ripping off Alex ripping off Joe, what are your "Sinister Six" acts you thin should never be in the Hall?

Posted by Follower on Monday, 01/27/2020 @ 12:13pm


If I have my own "Sinister Six" list, then it's gonna be acts who are at the very bottom of the barrel for me. While I don't find Poison, Kansas, Mountain, Cinderella, Whitesnake and Dokken to be Hall Material. But I do enjoy their music and would see them as extras if they ever get in years from now.

Here are my "Sinister Six:"

REO Speedwagon
Air Supply
Bryan Adams
Loverboy
Supertramp
Garth Brooks

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 01/27/2020 @ 12:28pm


My "Sinister Six" of reasonably popular artists who should NEVER be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Mariah Carey*
Celine Dion
Britney Spears
the Backstreet Boys
Air Supply
Justin Bieber

* The Barry Bonds/Sammy Sosa/Mark McGwire of "number one" records

Oddly enough, some of these artists have records that I actually like somewhat, such as Spears' "Toxic" and the BB's "Everybody (Backstreet's Back", but these were I think better records due to production and songwriting rather than due to the talents of the "artists" involved.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Monday, 01/27/2020 @ 15:39pm


Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 01/27/2020 @ 22:20pm


Since, Eric Agreed with me on Air Supply, their so far the most "sinister" on this site. I hate Mariah Carey and find her to be overrated musically, but she is way too big to be ignore. That's how I personally felt about Beyonce too except she is not eligible yet.

Not big on Celine Dion but one thing I'll praise her for is singing in more than one language, which lead to her commercial success massively. She ain't a one trick pony when comes to that.

As for the Backstreet Boys, I'm not expecting any boy bands getting in years from now. If it does happen, they'll probably go with New Kids On The Block and that's it.

Posted by williamjames15@yahoo.com on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 10:14am


Justin Bieber has never been eligible and never will be once his first release turns 25.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 10:22am


Casper,

I'm still looking forward to your response. Because I'm very confused what you mean about Ineligible in the Other Ceremony. Are you saying bands around over 50 years are ineligible for the Original And Only Ceremony. Straighten that out if you can .

My Theory what you Mean is 60s acts like the Marvelettes, Dionne Warwick and the Guess Who are ineligible in the Other Ceremony . Let me know

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 11:12am


One thing I should point out when we debate years in who will and won't go. The old artists and fans will die out or lose influence. The young generations of music are largely interconnected. Once Jay Z and Linkin Park become eligible, we know they are at the centers of their respective genres for influence at the early to mid 2000s, and they, like so many of their contemporaries, dabbled in rap, rock, pop, country, and everything else. Rock and roll became much more solidified after the turn of the century and those of us that wanted to consider it just one style (of which I am not one), became the minority. I think once the 2000s acts begin to become eligible and voting, they will narrow and blur the lines between genres. There is a good chance that, say about 2030, we could have an all-pop/hip hop/country ballot. I don't think that's quite as far as it will go, but the changing tastes the last few years are also due to changing demographics

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 11:46am


Eric Thompkins,

Since Bonds, Sosa, and McGwire are all infamous for steroid use, I'm guessing Mariah's equivalent is use of outside songwriters?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 11:49am


Of my "Sinister Six", I have to admit to owning albums from 3 of the 6, with Mariah, Britney, and Justin being the exceptions. I have multiple albums from Celine Dion, as I think she is a good singer and a worthy artist. I just don't think she belongs in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

And I do realize Justin Bieber won't be eligible until 2034.

Many people think that the best music ever is the music that was released when they were 16. There will undoubtedly be people who argue in 2034 that Bieber's popularity would make him a candidate when 2034 rolls around. I put Bieber in the same category as Mariah, Britney, Connie Francis, and Janet Jackson: artists who were no doubt very popular for a time, but just aren't very good.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 11:55am


@ K-Dawg

That's an interesting point about Jay-Z and Linkin Park, especially the fact both of them collaborated when they made their own mash-up EP. Aerosmith and Run DMC came up with that idea, but LP and Jay popularized it again, and made listeners make their own mash up songs and upload them on YouTube.

Every time when I hear "Numb/Encore," it feels iconic as Queen's and David Bowie's "Under Pressure."

2021 and 2026 truly belongs to them respectfully as FYE's.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 13:07pm


Follower,

No, the Bonds/Sosa/McGwire analogy has to do with Mariah and her record companies selling CD singles at a loss in order to create what I call artificial number ones at a time in which only unit sales counted on the Billboard charts and airplay didn't count at all and streaming counts were way in the future. I think I may have discussed this at length on the Mariah Carey thread. Billboard changed its chart methodology after this to prevent this sort of chicanery. When Mariah and her followers boast of their 18 Number One singles, a good number of those songs are songs that got almost no airplay and peaked quickly and fell off the charts rapidly. The average person other than a Mariah fan would not know those songs at all. Mariah and her record company only did this to feed her ego as there is no reason for a record company to want to lose money by putting out product, which Carey and her company did by sale-pricing singles for 69 cents at a time when the going price for CD singles was either $2.99 or $3.99.

There are tons of artists who use outside songwriters, so it would be hard to fault anyone for that. I would guess Carey wrote most of her own music.
She was just not as popular as she pretended to be.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 14:03pm


My sinister six are: Styx, Backstreet Boys, Solo Freddie Mercury, Pat Boone, J. Geils Band and Poison.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 16:09pm


Rock Hall community's list of the Sinister Sixes"

Joe's

Boston
Bad Company
REO Speedwagon
Jimmy Buffett
Foreigner
STYX

Mine

REO Speedwagon
Air Supply
Bryan Adams
Loverboy
Supertramp
Garth Brooks

Eric's

Mariah Carey
Celine Dion
Britney Spears
The Backstreet Boys
Air Supply
Justin Bieber

Follower's

Styx
Backstreet Boys
Solo Freddie Mercury
Pat Boone
J. Geils Band
Poison

Considered to be "sinister" the most in the community.

Air Supply
STYX
Backstreet Boys
REO Speedwagon

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 16:27pm


When/where did Joe mention his? Here's Alexs':

Pat Boone
Ted Nugent
Motley Crue
Captain Beefheart
Styx
The Scorpions

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 16:39pm


Rock Hall community's list of the "Sinister Sixes"

Joe's

Boston
Bad Company
REO Speedwagon
Jimmy Buffett
Foreigner
STYX

Mine

REO Speedwagon
Air Supply
Bryan Adams
Loverboy
Supertramp
Garth Brooks

Eric's

Mariah Carey
Celine Dion
Britney Spears
The Backstreet Boys
Air Supply
Justin Bieber

Follower's

Styx
Backstreet Boys
Solo Freddie Mercury
Pat Boone
J. Geils Band
Poison

Alex's

Pat Boone
Ted Nugent
Motley Crue
Captain Beefheart
Styx
The Scorpions

Considered to be "sinister" the most in the community.

Air Supply
STYX
Backstreet Boys
REO Speedwagon
Pat Boone

UPDATE

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 16:48pm


My six, FWIW:

REO Speedwagon
Barbara Streisand
Ted Nugent (Damn Yankees exception)
Warrant
Ricky Martin
Justin Bieber, the scourge of music

Honorable mention to Hanson, but they are a one hit wonder

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 16:52pm


Rock Hall community's list of the "Sinister Sixes"

Joe's

Boston
Bad Company
REO Speedwagon
Jimmy Buffett
Foreigner
STYX

Mine

REO Speedwagon
Air Supply
Bryan Adams
Loverboy
Supertramp
Garth Brooks

Eric's

Mariah Carey
Celine Dion
Britney Spears
The Backstreet Boys
Air Supply
Justin Bieber

Follower's

Styx
The Backstreet Boys
Solo Freddie Mercury
Pat Boone
J. Geils Band
Poison

Alex's

Pat Boone
Ted Nugent
Motley Crue
Captain Beefheart
Styx
The Scorpions

K-Dawg's

REO Speedwagon
Barbara Streisand
Ted Nugent
Warrant
Ricky Martin
Justin Bieber

Considered to be "sinister" the most in the community.

Air Supply
STYX
Backstreet Boys
REO Speedwagon
Pat Boone

TIE

Ted Nugent & Justin Bieber

UPDATE

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 17:42pm


My sinister six

Backstreet Boys
N'SYNC
Celine Dion
Amy Grant
Katy Perry
Justin Bieber

Heavenly Seven

Bjork
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk
Daft Punk
Big Star
The Pointer Sisters
Joy Division/New Order
Tori Amos

What would be your heavenly Seven?

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 18:21pm


I put more than seven in my heavenly seven. I would take off Tori Amos for now. When any of the seven get in Tori would be apart of it for sure.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 18:29pm


Joe mentioned his sinister six and heavenly seven in the Todd Rundgren episode.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 18:48pm


Rock Hall community's list of the "Sinister Sixes"

Joe's

Boston
Bad Company
REO Speedwagon
Jimmy Buffett
Foreigner
STYX

Mine

REO Speedwagon
Air Supply
Bryan Adams
Loverboy
Supertramp
Garth Brooks

Eric's

Mariah Carey
Celine Dion
Britney Spears
The Backstreet Boys
Air Supply
Justin Bieber

Follower's

Styx
The Backstreet Boys
Solo Freddie Mercury
Pat Boone
J. Geils Band
Poison

Alex's

Pat Boone
Ted Nugent
Motley Crue
Captain Beefheart
Styx
The Scorpions

K-Dawg's

REO Speedwagon
Barbara Streisand
Ted Nugent
Warrant
Ricky Martin
Justin Bieber

Greg. F's

Backstreet Boys
N'SYNC
Celine Dion
Amy Grant
Katy Perry
Justin Bieber

Considered to be "sinister" the most in the community.

Air Supply
STYX
Backstreet Boys
REO Speedwagon
Pat Boone
Justin Bieber

UPDATE

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 18:48pm


Since Greg showed us his "Heavenly Seven," here's mine.

Early Hard Rock: Thin Lizzy
Metal: Judas Priest
Mainstream Classic Rock: Mötley Crue
Punk: MC5
Grunge/90's rock & alternative: Soundgarden
New Wave/80's alternative: Joy Division/New Order
Prog: Jethro Tull

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 18:53pm


My Heavenly Seven

Kate Bush
Kraftwerk
Eurythmics
Ian Hunter/Mott the Hoople
Duran Duran
Tina Turner
the Guess Who

New Order just missed the cut

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 19:08pm


Here are my predictions for next year

Nominees
Conway Twitty(eligible since 1986)There was talk this year along the lines of more country potentially getting in so with the 3 acts in metal last year getting nominated another genre not included much in the hall. I predict 3 for this year and since Conway Twitty is the only other country artist to have ever been nominated that is not Johnny Cash(I consider Gram Parsons more rock because of his lifestyle and he was in a very influential band the byrds)I predict him.
Willie Nelson(eligible since 1987)Someone said they were going to advocate for hi last year while that didn't happen this is still someone with mass appeal to the rock community and i expect him to get nominated this year.
Loretta Lynn(eligible since 1989)The thing i read was more specifically on old-school country and you cant get much bigger for women in old-school country then her. She helped break barriers for both Female country singers and songwriters that influence on songwriting leads me to predict her over Dolly Parton.
MC5(eligible since 1992)If there is an act that gets nominated over and over again they are going to get in eventually that is my sole reason for predicting the MC5
King Crimson(eligible since 1995)before the 2010s there was only 1 Prog band in the hall which was Pink Floyd who did not even get in on there 1st year. of eligibility or nominated. Then in 2010 we got Genesis on there 1st nomination then a few years later Rush got in on their 1st nomination. The prog train was high since Yes got there 1st nomination the year after Rush got in and after a couple nominations they got in. It has been 4 years since Yes got in so i predict a nomination for King Crimson who made progressive progressive.
Tina Turner(eligible since 1999)with Whitney Houston getting inducted this year and considering they nominated no need to say induct here 1 year after Janet Jackson getting inducted i see her as the next 80s pop diva still influential on modern artists getting nominated.
Chaka Khan(eligible since 1999)Chaka Khan solo or with Rufus has been getting nominated over and over again so i am just going to say Chaka Khan as in her in general,
The Runaways(eligible since 2002)It's time to get an all girl rock band nominated. Only old-school R&B girl groups are in and have been nominated so time to get some girl rock band s nominated and since many people loom up to them as the original just like The Supremes for girl groups in general that's the girl band pick.
Iron Maiden(eligible since 2005)They tried going for metal hard last year and they did not get 1 metal band in. I think they are going to try but not as hard with a more appealing candidate in Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden are 1 of those bands even if you do not like metal you still enjoy there music and they are arguably the biggest band in terms of popularity before Nirvana that is not int he hall of fame yet.
The Smiths(eligible since 2009)I predicted after the 2019 ceremony that there will be 5 years with at least 1 80s and 1 90s alternative band getting in>(those 5 years are 2019-2023)2020 have proved me right with my prediction and they are the most influential 80s alternative band not in yet. They have also been nominated before.
The Pixies(eligible since 2013)I predict that unlike last year there will be multiple 80s alternative bands getting nominated and with the bands massive influence on the sounds of Nirvana the band who made alternative mainstream and the love for grunge with soundgarden's nomination last year i predict they will be getting nominated.(i do not predict that Soundgarden will be getting nominated because they are easily overshadowed by Nirvana and Pearl Jam to many people).
Mariah Carey(eligible since 2016)With Whitney Houston getting in there are enough of the essential 5 80s pop divas(madonna,Janet Jackson,Whitney Houston,Tina Turner and Cyndi Lauper) in to start considering 1990s pop divas and Mariah Carey is the biggest of them. It also helps that Mariah Carey's precursor in music Whitney Houston got in this year
Rage Against The Machine(eligible since 2018)I got to put a few 1990s alternative acts on my predictions and Rage Against the Machine are a top-tier 1990s alternative band whose guitarist just so happens to be on the nominating committee. I wasn't surprised that they didn't get nominated last year since many acts are nominated 2 years in a row and do not get nominated for a 3rd straight year. What makes me predict them is that they are going on a reunion tour and performing their 1st shows in almost 10 years.
Oasis(eligible since 2020)I was stunned that this band was not nominated last year when they became eligible. But they remain a top tier 1990s alternative band who is arguably the most impactful 1990s alternative band not in the rock and roll hall of fame yet. they might get nominated in their 2nd year of eligibility. Remember other legends like Black Sabbath, Queen and Aerosmith did not get nominated on their 1st year but on their 2nd year.
Foo Fighters(eligible since 2021)they have been 1 of the biggest bands in the world for what seems like forever who have just became eligible for the rock and roll hall of fame. They also are a top tier 90s alternative act who happens to have nominating committee member and rock and roll hall of famer Dave Grohl lead them. The bands appeal to older audiences and Dave Grohl's easygoing nature compared to many other rock stars are helping points.
Jay-z(eligible since 2021)Another 1st-year eligible i am predicting. A lot of the massive rappers have been getting nominations in their 1st year and Jay-z fits massive. This also happens to be someone who is still a big star who has become a part of a pop-culture empire with Beyonce. Jay-z has so many things going for him that makes him feel like the most likely option to headline this years ceremony if inducted.

Inductees
Jay-z
Jay-z has influenced so many in rap music and is one of the major legends of rap music that he should be inducted in his 1st year
Foo Fighters
Dave Grohl's positive nature and the bands mass appeal and popularity makes them another act inducted in their 1st year
The Smiths
There are people who have argued that they are the most influential band of all-time. A status like that should be merits for induction. They are my pick for 1980s alternative band to get inducted this year.
Iron Maiden
The less but more effective approach i am predicting for metal on the nominating side will in my prediction work as ways to get more metal through Iron Maiden in.
The Runaways
the last 2 years saw 2 milestones with the 1st female 2-time inductee in Stevie Nicks in 2019 and the 1st full-on electronic band with Depeche Mode in 2020. This will be the 1st all-girl rock band getting in as my prediction this year as well the 1st girl group to get in since the Ronettes 14 years ago in 2007.
Willie Nelson
Country music is more appealing than metal so it think the push for country on nominations will work because of that and also the fact that there is less pure country than metal in the hall of fame. Willie Nelson is my pick because of his mass crossover appeal to rock fans.

Posted by Riley on Tuesday, 01/28/2020 @ 21:47pm


Greg F,

I just listened to the Todd Rundgren episode and it never came up. It must be in a different one.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 01:51am


I think came up in the first episode Semour Stein was on.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 03:39am


My own take on the Heavenly Seven:

Kraftwerk
Carole King
Spinners
LL Cool J
Weezer
Judas Priest
Sleater Kinney

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 06:42am


Riley,

Here are the "major" prog artists (either symphonic, or space rock):

1996- Pink Floyd














2010- Genesis


2013- Rush
2014- Peter Gabriel (solo)


2017- Yes
2018- The Moody Blues


2021- Jethro Tull

Now, let's add "crossover prog," "proto- prog," "Progressive Jazz,"
or "art rock"

1993- The Doors, Cream
1994- The Grateful Dead
1995- Frank Zappa
1996- Jefferson Airplane, The Velvet Underground, David Bowie




2001- Queen
2002- Talking Heads

2004- Traffic











2016- Chicago, Deep Purple
2017- Electric Light Orchestra, Journey

2019- Roxy Music, The Zombies, Radiohead

2021- Duran Duran


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 09:14am


Enig,

Side question, do you consider the Steve Miller Band prog associated? More for his late 70s work?

I know it's a judgment call, but seems like it might be...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 10:27am


https://www.songhall.org/news/view/songwriters_hall_of_fame_announces_2020_inductees

THE 2020 SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Mariah Carey
Steve Miller
Rick Nowels
William "Mickey" Stevenson

Eurythmics
The Neptunes
The Isley Brothers

Induction Ceremony on Thursday, June 11th at the Marriott Marquis Hotel in New York City

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 11:19am


Enig,

Why don't The Beatles qualify as proto-prog? SPLHCB has been called the first Prog album by plenty of people.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 20:01pm


The Rock Hall has always had a gender problem. It most likely will not be fixed anytime soon. I thought I would assemble a haphazard list of 100 female artists who deserve consideration. In my opinion a large swath of them deserve induction. I grouped them in 4 tiers (and a outside genre group) to break up the list slightly. They are numbered not as a ranking, merely to keep track of the amount of acts as I typed. These are off the type of my head so please forgive any omissions, misspellings, or errors. Some have been previously inducted, others previously considered, but they all deserve a fair evaluation.  The list contains both solo artists, female groups, and female members of mixed gender bands. 

Tier 1. The Obvious. Women who should have been enshrined already. Massive influence, iconic sounds, and legendary careers. 7 of this group inducted in a single year would help balance out the Hall's gender problem. Yet the Hall will most likely induct one a year. A female artist releasing a single today will be eligible before this entire group is inducted. 

1. Tina Turner
2. Dionne Warwick
3. Mariah Carey
4. Annie Lennox
5. Pat Benatar
6. Chaka Khan
7.  Kim Deal
8.  The Go Gos
9. Cyndi Lauper
10. Kate Bush
11. Salt N Pepa
12. The Marvellettes
13. Sade
14. Bjork
15. Siouxsie Sioux
16. Cher
17. Roberta Flack
18. Kim Gordon
19. Gloria Estefan
20. Patti LaBelle
21. Kate Pierson & Cindy Wilson
22. Sarah McLachlan
23. Alanis Morissette
24. Tori Amos
25. Mary Wells


Tier 2. Just as vital as the first tier, and more deserving than half of the inducted acts already. Nearly all these acts should have seen a nomination and have not. Most haven't even had the chance to be considered. 

26. Karen Carpenter
27. The Pointer Sisters
28. Melissa Etheridge
29. Tracy Chapman
30. TLC
31. Sheryl Crow
32. Beth Gibbons
33. Carly Simon
34. Queen Latifah
35. Gwen Stefani
36. Poly Styrene
37. Carole King
38. En Vogue
39. PJ Harvey
40. Exene Cervenka
41. Shirley Manson
42. Lesley Gore
43. Anita Baker
44. Big Mama Thornton
45. Toni Braxton
46. The Bangles
47. Mary J. Blige
48. Bikini Kill
49. The Slits
50. LaBelle

Third Tier.  Proving how bad the backlog of nominees has become, this quality mix may never get the full attention they deserve. 

51. The Chantals
52. Dolores Oriordan
53. Grace Jones
54. Connie Francis
55. Ani DiFranco
56. The Shangri Las
57. Liz Phair
58. D'arcy Wretzky
59. MC Lyte
60. The Chiffons
61. Courtney Love
62. Sleater - Kinney
63. Jewel
64. Olivia Newton John
65. Suzanne Vega

Tier 4. More amazing acts who pass the lowest bar set by inducted acts. Most pass that bar easily. All have a case to be made for induction, and an even better case to be made for nomination.

66. Celine Dion
67. Natalie Cole
68. Babes In Toyland
69. Big Maybelle
70. Rickie Lee Jones
71. Indigo Girls
72. Minnie Ripperton
73. The Crystals
74. Joan Armatrading
75. Natalie Merchant
76. kd lang
77. Aaliyah
78. Patty Smyth
79. Robyn
80. Selena
81. Janis Ian
82. Sinead Oconnor
83. Marianne Faithful
84. Rita Lee
85. Fanny
86. Irma Thomas
87. L7
88. The Runaways 
89. Teena Marie
90. Suzi Quatro

Not a tier, but the Hall loves a crossover. This group has largely played in a different field but incorporated enough of the concepts of Rock'N'Roll to draw attention. Oddly name recognition and career may give them the best chance to be inducted. 


91. Emmylou Harris
92. Dolly Parton
93. Judy Collins
94. Barbra Streisand
95. Better Midler
96. Koko Taylor
97. Buffy St. Marie
98. Mary Travers
99. Lucinda Williams
100. Shirley Bassey


Comments, critiques, and opinions are encouraged and welcomed!

Posted by Chris F. on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 20:09pm


Solo Freddie is on my Sinister Six thanks to the Hall. And just to rub it in, I'd rather have the Hall induct any of the community six, even Justin Bieber, than Solo Freddie Mercury.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 20:20pm


Also, the Heavenly Seven needs to have never been nominated, like the Sinister Six. I just listened to the episode where Joe mentioned his.

I don't really have a Heavenly Seven though.

Joe's Heavenly Seven were:
Barry White
T. Rex
Devo
Roxy Music
B-52s
Pixies
A Tribe Called Quest

Two of those have been inducted and one has been nominated, so can someone ask Joe for an update?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 20:40pm


I do not really consider Duran Duran progressive even though i do like them in the same way as Genesis as a great band of the 1980s. Duran Duran were far more 80s alternative and new wave based than they were progressive.

Posted by Riley on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 20:49pm


I'm perplexed that the Hall keeps getting admonished for not putting more black and female artists into their hallowed instititution. As Mr. Jann W. astutely pointed out, most of those rock groups in 60's and 70's were comprised mostly of male musicians. That's why more men were inducted. As we head into the 2021 Nomination cycle, I expect more black and women artists to be inducted. Whitney Houston just was inducted this year. I say for every Cyndi Lauper supposedly snubbed I can give you an Iron Maiden. Gloria Estefan...I'll give you Bad Company. There have been hundreds of musicians since the 1950 year. For the most part, the most innovative and influential musicians have been inducted. Bob Dylan, Bruce, Fleetwood Mac, Michael Jackson, Prince, Radiohead, Stevie Wonder, The Doors, The Beach Boys, U2, Van Halen etc. Right now, most of the fight is trying to battle lower Pyramid 2 and 1 acts into the Hall. I will say I have my favorites who I believe should be inducted. Procol Harum-Musical Excellence and Influential. Emmylou Harris-She would be inducted if on the ballot. Gloria Estefan-Some much needed Latin representation and great singer. Iron Maiden-1 of my biggest snubs. Longevity, Influence, Musical Excellence. Bryan Adams-60 still going strong. Many Classic hits Cuts Like A Knife, Run To You, Summer Of 69, etc. I have proposed 2 ballots for several years now. Maybe, the other ballot could be themed or headed in some way. 60's Artists, Women Artists, R&B Artists etc. That way many artists receive a fair chance of induction. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 20:59pm


Just to clarify, yes, my idea for a second ceremony/ballot annually is that the artists who qualify for the second Performers ballot (fifty years or more since their first recording) would be ineligible for the other one.

This is similar to how the Baseball Hall of Fame has a ten year limit for the main ballot (used to be fifteen).

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01/29/2020 @ 23:57pm


Riley,

New wave is an umbrella term coined by Seymour Stein, in order to placate Blondie and Talking Heads who had objected to being called by the pejorative term "punks." It is a widely expansive term used to describe over 130 different styles of music created after the advent of punk. In essence, it is almost meaningless, unless of course you want to go with professor Bill Martin's definition which is: "New wave equals prog x punk. Or you can eschew the term "new wave" and replace it with the terms "art rock," or "art pop." According to Roger Taylor, Duran Duran had always been a rock band with synthesizers. According to John Taylor, bassist and Duran Duran co-founder, "the most satisfying thing about the new album is that it captures the duality, the sense of conflict, at the heart of the band's music. "In the original blueprint for the band, there was this dark, slightly progressive side to us, and it tended to get a little bit trampled on by the poptastic aspect. In that desire for pop satisfaction, you can forget what you set out to do. The new record really goes back to that strange early Duran mix: the hard-edged pop, coexisting with this dark, weird, experimental side." "That's something that's essential to all of us," agrees Nick. "It's great to be able to lift people's spirits – and your own – with a strong shot of pure pop, but the world we live in isn't all just made of that stuff, so it seems natural to me, and has done since the very beginning, that we have kept, and still keep, one foot in the darker, more Gothic side of life." Therefore, the members of Duran Duran themselves have always considered themselves to be a "prog" band. Due to their overall importance and influence, they are actually a major "prog" band. "The resolidified foursome have remained intact now for four albums and 15 years. They see themselves as back for good, and as a modern, progressive band. And they are prepared to put in the legwork to underpin their relevance and vitality." Excerpts from Duran Duran's website under Current biography and from the article, "Duran Duran 37 years on: We believe in this brand much as we ever have," by Craig McLean, 14 November, 2015 from The Telegraph.

Therefore, the recent inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), in addition to the inductions of The Cars and Roxy Music has opened up a huge 12 lane superhighway for Duran Duran's induction. I have written extensively about this on the Duran Duran and Rush pages on this website.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 01/30/2020 @ 02:13am


Casper,

Thanks so much for responding. I thought the question got lost in the shuffle. That's very cool you got back. Ok, So in this scenario the artists that qualify for the second performers ballot would be ineligible for the other one. Now that's cool. Now I know there us talk that the new chairman of the Hall, John Sykes wants to do something just like this. What confused me was artists 50 years of more are ineligible now. Ahh this would be the new plan. So a lot of 70s acts wouldnt be eligible yet in the new plan. Acts like Bad Company, Boston and Thin Lizzy would still be eligible for the new one.
Here is a list of suggested artists for a new second ballot of artists 50 years or more.

Blood,Sweat & Tears
Joe Cocker
The Fleetwoods
Lesley Gore
The Grass Roots
The Guess Who
Herman's Hermits
Tommy James & the Shondells
Jan and Dean
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Peggy Lee
The Marvelettes
The Monkees
Peter,Paul & Mary
Procol Harum
Tommy Roe
Steppenwolf
Joe Tex
The Turtles
Dionne Warwick

These are suggestions Not actual predictions. I am not even predicting the first and actual Performer ballot for 2021. Those are mostly acts notable in the 1950s and 60s. Take a look at this list. What do you think?

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/30/2020 @ 06:19am


There is nothing meaningless about the term "new wave" cause it's a mixture of rock, pop, punk, and electronic - it's the Ramones meets Kraftwerk.

Even if some of the bands are mislabeled, we go with other terms like "Synth-pop" or simply just "alternative." Some could be both prog and new wave (See the 80's Yes).

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/30/2020 @ 08:09am


To me there are not enough sudden mood shifts in Duran Duran songs for me to consider them a progressive rock band. A lot of them are not even that long as well. We can have our own opinions on whether Duran Duran is progressive or not. but my opinion is that they are more of a new wave.80s alternative/synth pop band.

Posted by Riley on Thursday, 01/30/2020 @ 08:32am


Hey Dude,

I agree with you man. New wave is a mixture of those 4 genres. I just want to add that since I was into music during every minute of the 1980s. I feel that a most of the new Wave 1985-1989 didnt have that punk edge anymore. I remember this was even the case with Duran Duran once they got to songs like Notorious. DD are one of the few new wave bands I know something about. I like some of their tunes as opposed to D Mode. A lot of New wave 1985 to the end of 80s leaned towards the Kraftwerk side. There was bands like Erasure and Information Society at that time. Strictly Electronic mostly. Where is Will N? He should chime in with this. Although a band like the Replacements sort of brought in a Punk edge. I am Not a fan of the synth Pop movement. But I respect the Depeche Mode choice for their influence in their genre. Synth pop is the reason I went to the Hard Rock/Metal scene. That's a different discussion. I'm with you on those. I will post separately on the 80s Metal bands. New Wave is an interesting topic. I agree with your post Above.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 01/30/2020 @ 11:21am


@ Ben

I've noticed about that on many of the new wave albums I heard regularly; the genre itself became less punky during the second half of the 80's, going by the guitar-shredding sounds that weren't heavy as Motley Crue and the Post-70's Scorpions but were still electrifying and influenced by hard rock bands from the genre's era. Some of the new wave bands even added elements of funk, which I could easily hear on INXS' "Need You Tonight."

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 01/30/2020 @ 12:50pm


Riley,

Have you listened to any Duran Duran albums after 1991?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 01/30/2020 @ 19:46pm


Ben, it is all just speculation and fun.

Personally, I would see this as an avenue to induct Kraftwerk, MC5, Love, The Monkees, The Marvelettes, Harry Nilsson, Nick Drake and Link Wray. Those are probably my biggest snubs that would be eligible (along with some I would objectively give the nod to like King Crimson).

I would go as far as to say there are not THAT many would-be eligibles that are inducted here in Rock Hall Revisited/Projected that truly deserve it. Silver Apples and Mary Wells are too borderline. Peter Paul and Mary and Connie Francis do not really fit comfortably under the "rock" banner, etc.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 01/30/2020 @ 21:04pm


I know ordinary World and Come Undone from Duran Duran and i would say no sudden mood shifts in those songs for me to consider them prog.

Posted by Riley on Thursday, 01/30/2020 @ 22:09pm


Hey Guys,

Can I ask you guys some questions?.

a) I know it's really early, but besides the obvious two FYE locks/shoo-ins in Foo Fighters and Jay-Z, who do you guys see being nominated for the 2021 class?.

b) out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

c) Which Classic Rock acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

d) Which 80's New Wave/Alternative acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

e) Which 90's Alternative acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

f) Which Female acts do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 01/30/2020 @ 22:22pm


Ben,

I really could not definitely pinpoint the origins of New Wave, but I would say that quite a bit of the music of the early 80's helped to shape my musical direction. Punk sort of morphed into New Wave as bands continued to experiment and refine their sounds into more radio friendly, less rebellious and intense. But still taking a lot of the new music to higher levels with great ingenuity and inventive sound like the Talking Heads. I picked up a little from MTV but mainly tried to explore a lot of bands myself. I tended to be more focused into New Wave and Alternative rather than the run of the mill Glam or hair metal, at the time.
Signature albums for me would be Thomas Dolby,"The Golden Age of Wireless", Missing Persons,"Spring Session M", Heads,'Speaking in Tongues", of course, U2 "War", The Fixx,"Reach the Beach", Flock of Seagulls, "Listen", Real Life, "Heartland"(a great synth-pop album), Talk Talk, "It's My Life", Psychedelic Furs, "Forever Now", Big Country, "The Crossing", Devo, "New Traditionalists", New Order, "Low-Life", Wall Of Voodoo,"Call Of the West", Berlin, "Pleasure Victim", Tears For Fears, of course, and all of the post Pleasure Principle, Gary Numan albums, "Dance"," I, Assassin", "Warriors", and "Berserker".. I did not mention some of the more obvious great LP's from some other bands like Blondie, the Pretenders, The Cars, B-52's, Duran Duran, and some others, but I wanted to mention some of the overlooked ones. Later on, I got more into Echo and the Bunnymen, The Cure, Depeche Mode, the Banshees, Sisters of Mercy, and the Divinyls(a great hard rock/new wave Aussie band). Probably missing a few there, but that would cover the most of it.. Anybody else have any big favorites from that era? I know KING has a few.. OK, will catch up later..

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 01/31/2020 @ 00:09am


So, because I'm a huge music geek, I went back and added one act to each year of the RRHOF inductions to see how it would stack up. I did cheat a little in that I am not retroactively putting in acts that have been inducted since the years passed, but I just don't have that much time to go back and correct it all. What do you think?

1986-Chubby Checker
1987-Dick Dale
1988-The Kingston Trio
1989-Dionne Warwick
1990-Herman's Hermits
1991-The Monkees
1992-Procol Harum
1993-King Crimson
1994-Tommy James and the Shondells
1995-The Guess Who
1996-Emerson Lake and Palmer
1997-Blue Oyster Cult
1998- The Spinners
1999-The Delfonics
2000-Kraftwerk
2001-Jethro Tull
2002-Foreigner
2003-Kate Bush
2004-Supertramp
2005-Iron Maiden
2006-Duran Duran
2007-Pat Benatar
2008-The Eurythmics
2009-The Commodores
2010-Tina Turner
2011-The Smiths
2012-Judas Priest
2013-Motley Crue
2014-Luther Vandross
2015-Mariah Carey
2016-Fishbone
2017-TLC
2018-Smashing Pumpkins
2019-Alice in Chains
2020-Boyz II Men

I tried to mix a bit of everything how I perceive it should be, and threw in a couple personal faves. Looking back, I am dumbfounded as to how Luther Vandross never even gets a mention. The dude is straight up has the greatest voice of a soul singer in the late 1980s. I appreciate thoughts. I put way too much effort into researching this, and by my calculations, all the acts were 25 years after releasing their first albums by the dates I have them listed.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 01/31/2020 @ 04:17am


Will N.,
Once again great response. Back during the Actual 80s I was not a huge New Wave fan. You mentioned Signature albums for you are Thomas Dolby,"The Golden Age of Wireless", Missing Persons,"Spring Session M", Talking Heads,'Speaking in Tongues", of course, U2 "War", The Fixx,"Reach the Beach", Flock of Seagulls, "Listen", and also albums from. Real Life, Talk Talk, Psychedelic Furs, , Big Country, Devo, Also New Order, "Low-Life", Wall Of Voodoo,"Call Of the West", Berlin, "Pleasure Victim", Tears For Fears, of course and there is the more obvious albums from Blondie,the Pretenders,the Cars, B52s etc. I owned some of these on Lps long ago..The only albums from these I own on Cd are Talking Heads, Speaking in Tongues.and albums by Blondie,the Pretenders and the Cars. I'm working on B52s on Cd. I own Cosmic Thing. I owned about 3 B52s on Vinyl Lp. I have downloads of 2 tunes each for a whole bunch listed. Like i say I am NOT a huge New wave fan. I was Rather different. I gravitated towards the "Run of the Mill" Glam or Hair Metal 1984-1988.
But big New Wave favorites for me though were Missing Persons,Spring Session M, Heads,Speaking in Tongues, the Fixx,Reach the Beach, Big Country,the Crossing, Simple Minds,New Gold Dream. Duran Duran,Rio. Ones like that. There are not nearly as many as you. I focused on the opposite scene of Glam or Hair metal 1984-89. Ok, Talk to ya later.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/31/2020 @ 05:53am


Will N.,
Once again great response. Back during the Actual 80s I was not a huge New Wave fan. You mentioned Signature albums for you are Thomas Dolby,"The Golden Age of Wireless", Missing Persons,"Spring Session M", Talking Heads,'Speaking in Tongues", of course, U2 "War", The Fixx,"Reach the Beach", Flock of Seagulls, "Listen", and also albums from. Real Life, Talk Talk, Psychedelic Furs, , Big Country, Devo, Also New Order, "Low-Life", Wall Of Voodoo,"Call Of the West", Berlin, "Pleasure Victim", Tears For Fears, of course and there is the more obvious albums from Blondie,the Pretenders,the Cars, B52s etc. I owned some of these on Lps long ago..The only albums from these I own on Cd are Talking Heads, Speaking in Tongues.and albums by Blondie,the Pretenders and the Cars. I'm working on B52s on Cd. I own Cosmic Thing. I owned about 3 B52s on Vinyl Lp. I have downloads of 2 tunes each for a whole bunch listed. Like i say I am NOT a huge New wave fan. I was Rather different. I gravitated towards the "Run of the Mill" Glam or Hair Metal 1984-1988.
But big New Wave favorites for me though were Missing Persons,Spring Session M, Heads,Speaking in Tongues, the Fixx,Reach the Beach, Big Country,the Crossing, Simple Minds,New Gold Dream. Duran Duran,Rio. Ones like that. There are not nearly as many as you. I focused on the opposite scene of Glam or Hair metal 1984-89. Ok, Talk to ya later.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 01/31/2020 @ 05:53am


Riley,

If you need to have sudden changes in mood shifts in order to identify a band as being "prog," then I am guessing that you exclude most progressive rock bands with the exceptions of possibly King Crimson and Gentle Giant and maybe some of those Canterbury bands? So, then which artists do you consider to be progressive?

My main criteria for a band to be designated as "progressive" is that they must have symphonic, or quasi-symphonic backing, with either a string section, orchestra, or keyboards, or synthesizers.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 01/31/2020 @ 08:17am


To clarify i want a fair amount of sudden mood shifts, long songs and complex song structures and multiple of these elements for an artist to use to classify as progressive. I would classify Genesis both eras since the Phil Collins era did have its fair share of sudden mood shifts and complex song structures. I would also classify King Crimson, Yes, Rush and Pink Floyd they would be my big 5 of progressive rock since they are the bands i see most often deferred to in progressive rock.

Posted by Riley on Friday, 01/31/2020 @ 08:50am


Since John Sykes works for iHeartMedia, I'm hoping he expands the voting body by bringing in DJ's and Radio personalities from all formats with the exclusion of talk and sports. Here's the list!

Elliot Segal
Diane Stupar-Hughes
Tyler Molnar
Kayleigh Gelles
Mojo
Spike
Shannon Murphy
Steve Reynolds
Kent "Kix" Layton
Aly Young
Bailey Fleming
Big Rig (Ron Michaels)
Chris Rozak
Colfax (Chris Baur)
Corey Rotic" Hawkins
DZL (Chuck Thompson)
Kidd Chris
Shroom (Jason Schumm)
Josh Klinger
Mel Taylor
Theresa Moley
Bill Reed
Bob Pickett
Dave Taft
Dr. Shane Collins
TJ Phillips
Tom Travis
Don "Action" Jackson
Jack Daniel
Lisa Berigan
Marc Coppola
Marty Thompson (Jim Stolz)
BMAN (John Beaulieu)
Doc Reno
Jim Kerr
Ken Dashow
Danna McKenzie
Maria Milito
Bill Moran
Angie Ward
Billy Greenwood
Chris Randolph (Tim Powell)
Craig "Catfish" Hunter
Joe Boxer
Michael J. Stuehler
Chris Davis (Mark Lorenson)
Cindy Spicer
Dave Styles
Jeff Stevens
Kristy Knigh
Romeo (Neil Paris)
Shaun Vincent
Toby Knapp
Bruce Scott
Helen Little
Jack Kratoville
Jana Sutter
JT (Jeff Nysewander)
Billy the Kidd
Brady Broski
Chris Davis
EJ (Edris Jenkins)
JoJo Wright
Romeo (Tim Herbster)
Sisanie Villaclara
"Drew Thomas" Edmundson
Marty Thompson (Jim Stolz)
Mike Frazer
Sheri Van Dyke
Skip Kelly (Richard Brewster)
Deuce (David Jacobson)
Dreena Gonzalez
Frankie V (Frank Vinci)
Freddy Rivera
Kristina Zsenyuk
Mack (Michael Deloran)
Maxwell (Chris Jones)
ODM (Robert Gutierrez)
Humberto Rodríguez "El Gato"
Issa Lopez
Jose "Super" Martinez
Karina Arceo
Oscar Gonzalez
Paula Perez
Big Nat
Big Sue
Chris Michaels
Mr. Chase
T-Roy
Uptown Angela
Consuella Williams
Frankie Darcell
Jo Jo
Patty Jackson
Renee Taylor

Whaddya think?

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/31/2020 @ 11:34am


The more I think about a possible veteran vote, the more I can agree with that. If I was the only one at the top of this institution and all others have to follow my words, I would tell them to induct a class of 20 inductees in the first year to avoid a huge backlog, then reduce it the following years. The most important thing is to induct them as regular performing artists instead of creating a bonus category.

My first class would look like this:
Johnny Burnette & Rock'n'Roll Trio
Link Wray & his Ray Men
Willie Nelson
Patsy Cline
Gram Parsons
The Kingston Trio
Peter, Paul & Mary
Connie Francis
Chubby Checker
The Clovers
John Coltrane
Mary Wells
The Chantels
The Marvelettes
The Shangri-Las
Carole King
Nick Drake
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
MC5

Additionally I'd tell them to induct more early influences. 5 in the first year, then 2 or 3. There are so many names that should definitely be mentioned when speaking of the evolution of popular music.

My first five EIs would be:
The Carter Family
Roy Brown
Wynonie Harris
Charley Patton
Django Reinhardt

Every year there would be new eligible acts for this category. Therefore this big wave at the first time. Some others I haven't even mentioned: Procol Harum, Monkees, Dick Dale, Love, Esther Phillips, The Five Satins, Jan & Dean, Lesley Gore, Harry Nilsson, Ben E. King, The Sonics, The Spinners, Captain Beefheart,... Since most of these acts are dead or at least inactive, the first induction ceremony would be something like a tribute concert.

The Rock Hall started at a time when Rock'n'Roll was still young. 25 years was okay back then. Now it has to capture about 65 years. Maybe a change would do them good. Creating this induction process would also keep the hall relevant to younger generations. With 5 - 7 "regular" inductees (25-49 years), maybe there would be an increase of some long time neglected niche genres (Punk, Alternative, Electronica, Metal).

A scenario just for fun and wishful thinking. However, it's way better than the singles category.

Posted by MichaelEU on Friday, 01/31/2020 @ 14:52pm


https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2020/01/31/warner-music-group-earnings-2020-q1/

Warner Music Group Quarterly Earnings Jump 42% (Thank You, Streaming)

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 01/31/2020 @ 21:19pm


I know it's really early, but who do you guys see being nominated for the 2021 class?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/1/2020 @ 10:20am


Predictions for next years nominees:
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Dave Matthews Band
Pat Benatar
Kraftwerk
MC5
Soundgarden
Rage Against the Machine
Boston
Ozzy Osbourne
The Eurythmics
Duran Duran
Kate Bush
Gram Parsons
Iggy Pop
The Guess Who
King Crimson
Joy Division
The Meters
Procul Harum

Posted by Evan on Saturday, 02/1/2020 @ 19:10pm


MichaelEU,

I am inspired to change my list for a Veteran Ballot 50 Years and Over. It's a real possibility because John Sykes wants to do this. It's NOT just speculation. And this is Very fun. I am very bad a 50s artists. I know Elvis, Chuck Berry, Flamingos. Fleetwoods and a few others. Not a heck of a lot. I am adding most of your 50s acts and deleting a bunch of mine from my list of a few days ago. I am Not simply copying you. I am adding in your 50s knowledge. I am Not sure I know those 50s Names you. My Prime knowledge starts with 1960s. The earliest acts on my list I have good knowledge of are Lesley Gore and the Marvelettes. I happen to know that Lesley Gore was on a very early American Tour with the Beatles. The Marvelettes are key to Motown. I know Motown rather well. Here is a new list of Imaginary Nominees perhaps.

Blood,Sweat & Tears
Johnny Burnette
Patsy Cline
Clovers
Joe Cocker
Jon Coltrane
Fleetwoods
Lesley Gore
The Guess Who
Tommy James & the Shondells
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
The Marvelettes
MC5
Willie Nelson
Peter,Paul & Mary
Gram Parsons
Procol Harum
Dionne Warwick
Mary Wells
Link Wray

Another list just for fun and wishful thinking. Enjoy looking at this.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/2/2020 @ 05:41am


T Rex, Nine Inch Nails & Depeche Mode are the ones I'm mostly excited for this year. The Doobies, Whitney & Biggie are deserving as well I predict that the Doobie Brothers are going to be headlining the ceremony anyways I'll be a fantastic year. Even though its early my predictions for the class of 2021 are:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Foo Fighters
Jay Z
Judas Priest
Joy Division/New Order
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk
Motorhead
MC5
Oasis
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
Todd Rundgren
Weezer

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Sunday, 02/2/2020 @ 18:05pm


Hey Guys,

Here are some 2021 possibilities for the Rock Hall and I'm basing it on the fact that they have either been previously nominated or have been previously considered and they are:

Newly Eligible/Headliners

Foo Fighters
Jay-Z

1970's/1980's Classic Rock Acts

Bad Company
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Iron Maiden
The J. Geils Band
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Motorhead
Pat Benatar
Thin Lizzy
Three Dog Night

1970's/1980's/1990's R&B/Soul/Funk/Disco Acts

The Average White Band
Barry White
Bobby Brown
Chaka Khan
The Commodores
Donny Hathaway
The Gap Band
Grace Jones
The J.B's
Joe Tex
The Meters
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Sade
The Spinners
War

Rap/Hip-Hop Acts

Afrika Bambaataa
Boogie Down Productions
De La Soul
Eric B. & Rakim
LL Cool J
Sugarhill Gang

Alternative Rock/Punk/New Wave/Electronic Acts

The B-52's
Bad Brains
Black Flag
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
Jane's Addiction
Kraftwerk
Living Colour
MC5
New York Dolls
Nick Drake
Pixies
Rage Against The Machine
The Replacements
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden

1950's/1960's Acts

Ben E. King
The Chantels
Chuck Willis
The Crystals
Dick Dale
Herman's Hermits
Joe Cocker
Johnny Burnette & The Rock 'N' Roll Trio
Lesley Gore
Link Wray
Love
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
The Monkees
Neil Sedaka
Procol Harum
The Shangri-La's
Steppenwolf
Tommy James & The Shondells
The Turtles

Solo Artists/Singer-Songwriters

Carole King
Gram Parsons
Judy Collins
Kate Bush
Lucinda Williams
Steve Winwood
Sting
Tina Turner
Todd Rundgren

Left-Field/Outside Genre Picks

Fela
George Jones
Gil Scott-Heron
Johnny Winter
Junior Parker
Los Lobos
Patsy Cline
Peter Tosh

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/2/2020 @ 20:10pm


https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/motley-crue-and-def-leppards-stadium-tour-has-already-sold-more-than-one-million-tickets/

A good read about the successful tour that is coming this year.

"According to Billboard, MÖTLEY CRÜE and DEF LEPPARD's stadium tour has already sold more than one million tickets. The trek, which also includes POISON and JOAN JETT & THE BLACKHEARTS, has grossed $130 million, with another $5 million generated from VIP seats. The tour saw the fastest sellout in Miller Park history in Milwaukee, with additional shows selling out instantly in Atlanta, Seattle, Charlotte, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Chicago and Denver."

"[DEF LEPPARD] was inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame and [MÖTLEY CRÜE] has one of the biggest rock books ever that was turned into a film ['The Dirt'] and the film was seen by tens of millions," said CRÜE manager Allen Kovac. "We knew co-headlining would dramatically lift the ticket sales."

"The Stadium Tour", which kicks off June 18 in Jacksonville, Florida, will mark CRÜE's first live dates since wrapping its 2014/2015 farewell tour. The band toured with POISON back in 2011 and DEF LEPPARD teamed up with POISON for a string of road dates in 2017 — but the upcoming jaunt marks the first time all four acts have hit the road together for an extended tour."

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 02/2/2020 @ 20:23pm


Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/3/2020 @ 00:31am


Now as far as actual predictions for 2021. I don't do Super Early predictions. I do want to say However, that even though there is a possibility that John Sykes will create a Second Ceremony for those 50 years and over starting with 2021 there is nothing concrete to confirm this.
SO even though it's Very fun to make a list of Nominees for a Second Ceremony, nobody knows if it will happen for 2021. When I make predictions for Nominees of the 2021 class. I will follow the same system the Hall always has with 1 Ceremony.
I suggest Dave Matthews Band and Todd Rundgren return among others nominees snubbed this year. I will just say while I'm not predicting I am hoping for Jethro Tull and King Crimson to be nominated for 2021. That's a Hope Not a prediction.

Stay tuned for the return pf my Past Inductee series,I said it would return in Feb. I knew the 2020 Inductees would get repetitive around now. That's it for Now/

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/3/2020 @ 05:09am


Now as far as actual predictions for 2021. I don't do Super Early predictions. I do want to say However, that even though there is a possibility that John Sykes will create a Second Ceremony for those 50 years and over starting with 2021 there is nothing concrete to confirm this.
SO even though it's Very fun to make a list of Nominees for a Second Ceremony, nobody knows if it will happen for 2021. When I make predictions for Nominees of the 2021 class. I will follow the same system the Hall always has with 1 Ceremony.
I suggest Dave Matthews Band and Todd Rundgren return among others nominees snubbed this year. I will just say while I'm not predicting I am hoping for Jethro Tull and King Crimson to be nominated for 2021. That's a Hope Not a prediction.

Stay tuned for the return pf my Past Inductee series,I said it would return in Feb. I knew the 2020 Inductees would get repetitive around now. That's it for Now/

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/3/2020 @ 05:09am


Who should be this year's inductors?

For NIN: The Cure's Robert Smith
For Depeche Mode: Linkin Park's Mike Shinoda
For Biggie: Jay-Z
For T. Rex: Def Leppard's Joe Elliot
For Whitney Houston: Dionne Warwick
For the Doobies: Maybe Billy Gibbons from ZZ Top

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 11:11am


KING,

I think Jann has a tendency to idolize what he was listening to while disregarding the rest of the industry. For every person rocking out to T-Rex there were others playing Janis Ian. The Hall tends to focus on white male groups. That is a mistake.

I expected by now the Hall would begin to diversify and branch out. They have not. Houston was a delightful surprise for me this year. But somehow she is still coming off as a token choice. Benatar or Khan could have joined her this year.

Comparisons can always be made. I have always said Metal (along with Punk) has been largely ignored. I would argue that Lauper is a bigger snub than nearly everyone. But larger classes could fix the issue, and focusing on the gaps rather than the leftover favorites would improve the Hall.

The Hall has inducted nearly all of its top tier candidates. That point I agree with. Still the Hall has room for so many others. Thousands of acts have made some kind of impact and there are hundreds of artists who are eligible and worthy of induction left. My main point is to look at the lowest bar acts enshrined. (Richie Valens, Laura Nyro) An act that surpasses them in any way should be considered.

Procol Harum should be in by now. Period. Emmylou is a personal favorite, but even I have reservations about how well she fits. Estefan rarely is given the respect she is owed. One of the most important acts of the 80s, with more hits and recognition than nearly anyone else still outside the Hall. Bryan Adam's faces an uphill battle because her was too Pop oriented...which is a stupid argument. True Pop music was absorbed by Rock by the mid 1960s. Outside of a few notable acts (Streisand, Melissa Manchester, Celine Dion) it never returned to its former glory.

The Hall needs to be held to a standard that showcases what the culture of each generation truly was. The monumental female acts, who had to work 10 times as hard as their male counterparts, need to be acknowledged. The Hall should and could do better. It is up to the fans of the music to constantly admonish and point out its mistakes and oversights.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 13:17pm


The Dude,

My picks

Whitney Houston - Mariah Carey or Dolly Parton

The Notorious B.I.G. - Jay Z or Lil Kim

Depeche Mode - Chris Martin or Matt Bellamy

The Doobie Brothers - Chaka Khan or Hall & Oates

Nine Inch Nails - Marilyn Manson or David Fincher

T. Rex. - David Johansen or Micheal Stipe

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 13:28pm


richie,

A) Newly Eligible - Foo Fighters and Jay Z
First Nomination - Mariah Carey, Beck, Outkast, Tina Turner

B) Obvious Return - Pat Benatar, Chaka Khan, Dave Matthews

C) Classic Rock - Thin Lizzy, Cheap Trick, Procol Harum

D) New Wave - Duran Duran, Eurythmics

E) Alternative - Soundgarden, Alice In Chains

F) Female Acts - Previously mentioned Benatar, Carey, Khan, and Lennox. Chances for Cher, Dionne Warwick, Kim Deal, Cindy Wilson & Kate Pierson, The Go Gos

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 13:40pm


Chris F.,

You mentioned Cheap Trick as far as Classic Rock acts for your predictions for next year's nominees, well, Cheap Trick has already been inducted, they were inducted in 2016, so you should replace Cheap Trick with another Classic Rock act.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 13:45pm


@ Chris. F

Expect Boston to get nominated for the next class as Irving Azoff's next pet project. If not, he could go with the Go-Go's or Warren Zevon.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 13:53pm


Richie,

I do this everytime with Cheap Trick. I would probably go with Bad Company having a chance. Although I think a Classic Rock free class might be a nice change of pace.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 13:53pm


The Dude,

I am such a big Boston fan that I try to avoid using them. I think I overrate them and show way to much of a bias. I have always said Zevon will be inducted by he keeps the bar lowered and makes so many other acts potential nominees. The Go Gos are overdue for recognition.

Posted by Chris F. on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 13:57pm


The Dude,

The Hall needs to put down the Irving Azoff pipe for at least a year or 2 to avoid a backlash if one hasn't started already. Not that they care, but.....

Posted by joker on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 15:54pm


@ joker

I was hoping they would break the streak with the Doobies rather than rigging the fan ballot to piss off the DMB fans, but I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 16:04pm


My predictions for the 2021 Rock Hall nominees are:

1.) The B-52's (With The Cure and Depeche Mode both going in the last two years, the floodgates have now opened wider for more 80's New Wave/Alternative acts to get inducted, so I really think that The B-52's will finally make their first appearance on the ballot next year)

2.) Pat Benatar (A lot of people were absolutely stunned that she didn't get in this year, but I think that we all need to remember that it took Heart 2 tries to get inducted, Anyways, I really think that they will nominate her again next year and this time, she'll get inducted on her second try, I really think that they will not nominate any other female solo acts (Sorry Mariah Carey, Tina Turner, Carole King, Cyndi Lauper, Carly Simon, etc) to make sure they get Pat in next year where she belongs, She'll be the populist Classic Rock act that gets nominated and inducted next year just like Def Leppard last year and The Doobie Brothers this year)

3.) Devo (see The B-52's, plus this year marks the 40th anniversary of Whip It and Freedom of Choice, so I really think that they'll return to the ballot and get their second nomination next year)

4.) Eurythmics (see The B-52's and Devo, plus they're being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year and their Songwriters Hall of Fame induction will help them to return to the ballot and get their second nomination next year and this time, they'll get inducted)

5.) Foo Fighters (FYE lock/shoo-in, plus Dave Grohl is on the nominating committee, so he'll be the next member of the Clyde McPhatter Club and their long-term popularity also helps them, so they'll be FYE inductees next year as well as they should be)

6.) Iron Maiden (Judas Priest have been nominated and passed over twice and Motorhead have been nominated and passed over once, so why not give Iron Maiden a try?. I know that they would refuse induction if they get inducted, but you can't deny their impact on Hard Rock/Heavy Metal, I really think that Iron Maiden will take Judas Priest and Motorhead's place on the ballot and finally get their first nomination next year)

7.) Jane's Addiction (They're one of the biggest snubs of the 80's/90's Alternative Rock era by far and their lead singer Perry Farrell helped created the Lollapalooza festival, plus with Nine Inch Nails getting inducted this year after returning to the ballot after a few years absence, I think that the same could happen with Jane's Addiction, especially if the ceremony returns to LA next year (which is the place they are from and new Rock Hall Foundation President John Sykes mentioned about looking to do more in LA), I really think that they'll return to the ballot and get their second nomination next year)

8.) Jay-Z (see Foo Fighters, also a FYE lock/shoo-in, Way too big of a name to not get in FYE, he's easily the most successful Rap/Hip-Hop Artist of All-Time in terms of critical and commercial success, he's easily an FYE inductee, no questions asked)

9.) Joy Division (see The B-52's, Devo and Eurythmics. plus this year marks the 40th anniversary of Ian Curtis's death, A lot of people want to combine Joy Division with New Order and induct them as Joy Division/New Order, I disagree, Joy Division are a Punk/Underground band, while New Order are a New Wave/Synth-Pop act, so I really think that they will go with Joy Division before New Order, I really think Joy Division will finally appear on the ballot and get their first nomination next year)

10.) Los Lobos (A Critics Favorite, but not so much in terms of Chart Success, but they have been previously nominated once before for the 2016 class and they could easily reappear on the ballot again next year, I really think that Los Lobos will return to the ballot and get their second nomination next year)

11.) New York Dolls (With Roxy Music and T. Rex getting inducted the last two years, I really think that either New York Dolls or Mott The Hoople will get nominated next year as the next Glam Rock choice, I'm going with New York Dolls because next year will have been 20 years since their lone nomination (they were nominated back in 2001), plus with MC5 being passed over five times now, I really think that they will give them a break and go with the New York Dolls as the Proto-Punk act next year, I really think that New York Dolls will return to the ballot and finally get their long overdue second nomination next year)

12.) Rage Against The Machine (They were surprisingly not nominated this year after being nominated the last two years, but with Nine Inch Nails getting inducted this year on their third try, I really think that the same will happen to Rage Against The Machine especially if the ceremony returns to LA next year (which is the place they are from and New Rock Hall Foundation President John Sykes mentioned about looking to do more in LA), plus they are reuniting this year for some shows and like Dave Grohl, Tom Morello is also on the nominating committee, so I really think that they will return to the ballot and get their third nomination next year)

13.) Todd Rundgren (He's easily the biggest snub as far as Singer-Songwriters go along with Carole King, Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson and Carly Simon. He's been nominated the last two years and I really think that he'll get his third straight nomination next year and get in just like The Cars and Laura Nyro did)

14.) Thin Lizzy (Of all of the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal acts that were nominated this year but didn't get in, I really think that they stand the best chance of returning next year, Nearly every guest on the Who Cares About The Rock Hall? podcast said that they would vote for them if they got a ballot, and they are not straight-up Metal unlike Judas Priest and Motorhead, so I really think that they'll return next year and get their second consecutive nomination)

15.) Toto (I know that you guys may not agree with me, but every year, there's usually an artist that unexpectedly gets a nomination and I think that next year will be Toto, they had some classic songs like Hold The Line, I Won't Hold You Back, I'll Be Over You, the Grammy-winning Rosanna and the All-Time Classic Africa, which was covered by Weezer in 2018, they were inducted into the Musicians Hall of Fame in Nashville in 2009 and are highly respected musicians and are respected by their peers, but they didn't get any critical acclaim during their peak, so that will hurt them, but I really think that they will appear out of nowhere and get a surprise nomination next year especially if the ceremony returns to LA next year (which is the place they are from and New Rock Hall Foundation President John Sykes mentioned about looking to do more in LA), I really think that Toto will shock everyone and get a surprise nomination next year)

Out of my picks for the 2021 nominees and if this was the actual ballot next year, I really think that the following acts would get inducted (if there are six inductees again next year)

1.) Pat Benatar
2.) Eurythmics
3.) Foo Fighters
4.) Jay-Z
5.) Rage Against The Machine
6.) Todd Rundgren

That is my predictions for the nominees for the Rock Hall next year and I can't wait until October to find out who actually gets nominated for next year's class.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 17:42pm


The Dude,

Why are you predicting Boston as the next Irving Azoff act? Did Irving say they were next like he did with the Doobies?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 22:45pm


https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=280194&redirect=mobile

There are few good reasons why Boston is very likely to be part of the next class.

1. The Hall is trying to clear out acts who have one diamond album or more much as they could until there's a shortage. Boston's self titled album shipped over 17 million copies in America.

2. According to this site, Boston has a 32% chance of getting inducted which is higher than Foreigner, Mötley Crue, and Bad Company.

3. Irving Azoff actually met the band and signed them to MCA Records in 86. Look at the link above.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 23:02pm


My predictions for the 2021 Rock Hall nominees are:

1.) The B-52's (With The Cure and Depeche Mode both going in the last two years, the floodgates have now opened wider for more 80's New Wave/Alternative acts to get inducted, so I really think that The B-52's will finally make their first appearance on the ballot next year)

2.) Pat Benatar (A lot of people were absolutely stunned that she didn't get in this year, but I think that we all need to remember that it took Heart 2 tries to get inducted, Anyways, I really think that they will nominate her again next year and this time, she'll win the fan vote and get inducted on her second try, I really think that they will not nominate any other female solo acts next year (sorry Mariah Carey, Tina Turner, Carole King, Cyndi Lauper, Carly Simon, Kate Bush, Cher, etc.) to make sure that they get Pat in next year where she belongs, She'll be the populist Classic Rock act that gets inducted next year just like Def Leppard last year and The Doobie Brothers this year)

3.) Chaka Khan (Except Chaka of course, Chaka has been nominated six times now (four with Rufus and two on her own), I think this time they'll nominate her on her own and she'll get her third solo nomination next year)

4.) Devo (see The B-52's, plus this year marks the 40th anniversary of Whip It and Freedom of Choice, so I really think that they'll return to the ballot and get their second nomination next year)

5.) Eurythmics (see The B-52's and Devo, plus they're being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year, so I really think that it will help them to return to the ballot and get their second nomination next year and this time, they'll get inducted)

6.) Foo Fighters (A FYE lock/shoo-in, plus Dave Grohl is on the nominating committee, so he'll be the next member of the Clyde McPhatter Club along with Matt Cameron, plus their long-term popularity also helps them, so they'll be FYE inductees next year as well as they should be)

7.) Iron Maiden (Judas Priest have been nominated and passed over twice and Motorhead have been nominated and passed over once, so why not give Iron Maiden a try next year?. I know that they would refuse induction if they get inducted, but you can't deny their impact on Hard Rock/Heavy Metal, I really think that Iron Maiden will take Judas Priest and Motorhead's place on the ballot and finally get their first nomination next year)

8.) Jane's Addiction (They're one of the biggest snubs of the 80's/90's Alternative Rock era by far and their lead singer Perry Farrell helped created the Lollapalooza festival, plus with Nine Inch Nails getting inducted this year after returning to the ballot after a few years absence, I think that the same could happen with Jane's Addiction, especially if the ceremony returns to LA next year (which is the place they are from and New Rock Hall Foundation President John Sykes mentioned about looking to do more in LA), I really think that they'll return to the ballot and get their second nomination next year)

9.) Jay-Z (see Foo Fighters, also a FYE lock/shoo-in, Way too big of a name to not get in FYE, he's easily the most successful Rap/Hip-Hop Artist of All-Time in terms of critical and commercial success, he's easily an FYE inductee, no questions asked)

10.) Joy Division (see The B-52's, Devo and Eurythmics, plus this year marks the 40th anniversary of Ian Curtis's death, A lot of people want to combine Joy Division with New Order and induct them as Joy Division/New Order, I disagree, Joy Division are a Punk/Underground band, while New Order are a New Wave/Synth-Pop act, so I really think that they will go with Joy Division first before New Order, I really think that Joy Division will finally appear on the ballot and get their first nomination next year)

11.) Los Lobos (A Critics Favorite, but not so much in terms of Chart Success (except for La Bamba), but they have been previously nominated once before for the 2016 class and they could easily reappear on the ballot again next year, I really think that Los Lobos will return to the ballot and get their second nomination next year)

12.) New York Dolls (With Roxy Music and T. Rex getting inducted the last two years, I really think that either New York Dolls or Mott The Hoople will get nominated next year as the next Glam Rock choice, I'm going with New York Dolls because next year will have been 20 years since their lone nomination (they were nominated back in 2001), plus with MC5 being passed over five times now, I really think that they will give them a break and go with the New York Dolls as the Proto-Punk act next year, I really think that New York Dolls will return to the ballot and finally get their long overdue second nomination next year)

13.) Rage Against The Machine (They were surprisingly not nominated this year after being nominated the last two years, but with Nine Inch Nails getting inducted this year on their third try, I really think that the same could happen to Rage Against The Machine especially if the ceremony returns to LA next year (which is the place they are from and New Rock Hall Foundation President John Sykes mentioned about looking to do more in LA), plus they are reuniting this year for some shows and like Dave Grohl, Tom Morello is also on the nominating committee, so I really think that they will return to the ballot and get their third nomination next year)

14.) Todd Rundgren (He's easily one of the biggest snubs as far as Singer-Songwriters go along with Carole King, Warren Zevon, Harry Nilsson and Carly Simon. He's been nominated the last two years and I really think that he'll get his third straight nomination next year and get inducted just like The Cars and Laura Nyro did)

15.) Soundgarden (With Nine Inch Nails now in, they're now easily the biggest snub as far as 90's Alternative acts go, Nine Inch Nails blocked Soundgarden's chances this year, but I really think that Soundgarden will get their second straight nomination next year and get inducted this time, they're next in line from the Grunge era and they'll be the next Grunge Band that gets inducted following Nirvana and Pearl Jam, plus it would make Drummer Matt Cameron a member of the Clyde McPhatter Club, so I really think that they'll return next year and get their second straight nomination)

16.) Thin Lizzy (Of all of the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal acts that were nominated this year but didn't get in, I really think that they stand the best chance of returning next year, Nearly every guest on the Who Cares About The Rock Hall? podcast said that they would vote for them if they got a ballot and they are not straight-up Metal unlike Judas Priest and Motorhead, so I really think that they'll return next year and get their second consecutive nomination)

Out of my picks for the 2021 nominees and if this was the actual ballot next year, I really think that the following acts would get inducted (if there are six inductees again next year)

1.) Pat Benatar
2.) Eurythmics
3.) Foo Fighters
4.) Jay-Z
5.) Todd Rundgren
6.) Soundgarden

That is my predictions for the nominees for the Rock Hall next year and I can't wait until October to find out who actually gets nominated for next year's class.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/4/2020 @ 23:02pm


I think we have MONTHS to go and let's not push time forward too fast. I've already thrown out a way-too-early ballot and will see how time treats that one.

What is the opinion on the next 90s group that seems a shoo-in past the Foo Fighters? I know Soundgarden and DMB are getting some pretty loud resonance from their fans, but I think the Smashing Pumpkins may well be on the short list, due more to innovation and a diverse lineup that may make the Hall kind of look good as James Iha is Hawaiian and obviously, the talented but tortured D'arcy as their bassist. Love him or hate him, Billy Corgan is utterly unmatched with his unique vision.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/5/2020 @ 08:47am


@ K-Dawg

James Iha is actually half-Japanese.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/5/2020 @ 09:06am


K-DAWG
Agree that Smashing Pumpkins could be on the ballot soon. I'm surprised they weren't a 1st time eligible or 2nd year nominee. An armada of great songs. I like the Double CD Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness. Corgan like a David Byrne musical genius. Hopefully, Smashing Pumpkins on the ballot October 2020.
KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 02/5/2020 @ 23:11pm


To me, the Pumpkins are a HOF quality band. No matter how much of a weirdo Billy is. They may have to wait a bit, due to that, but I expect them to get in there in the next 5 years.

We inducted them into our Hall back in 2016.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02/6/2020 @ 05:52am


I have sone thoughts on the Next 80s group to be Nominated. I think it will be the B52s. Where as I am NOT a fan at all of Depeche Mode, I have always like the B52s. Kate Pierson And Fred Schneider make a good team in the group as well as Cindy Wilson. There is New Wave I like and Support. The Earlier New Wave. Also I often predict New wave acts I don't even like such as the Cure.

There is support for Devo and Eurythmics as well. They have been Nominated before., but I think the B52s will get nominated for 2021. This is one of my Rare prediction at the moment. B52s were notable among the early New Wave bands.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/6/2020 @ 06:55am


Ben,
Here's something I think you'll enjoy reading—my blog on why The B-52's deserve induction into the Rock Hall that I wrote last year for my 'Rock Hall Contenders' series last year. Let me know what you think of it.

And I agree, they're definitely on my shortlist to appear as nominees for the Class of 2021. Devo, Eurythmics, Duran Duran, The Smiths and Joy Division/New Order all stand good chances to get nominations.

https://audiovisualrepository.squarespace.com/blog/rockhallcontendersb52s

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/6/2020 @ 08:11am


Hey Nick,

That's a coool Response for B52s. First of alll I like them far better than Depeche Mode. I am much more of a Fan of the Very old Classic Rock and Heavy Rock Of the 80s. But alas I do like B52s. They exist as a band with Guitar and drums to me. And there is the Amazing Vocal team of Kate Pierson and Cindy Wilson. I will check out your Blog.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/6/2020 @ 09:03am


Nick,

Link wasn't meant for me. Just wanted to mention it was incredibly well done.

Side note everyone talks about the hits. "Give Me Back My Man" qualifies the group for the Hall in my opinion. Also shows Cindy was technically the best vocalist of the 3. Kate always gets the praise. But as an obsessive lover of vocals Cindy always shined a bit more. Not just in harmony.

K-Dawg,

I agree with Smashing Pumpkins. I sometimes worry about D'arcy, and sometimes think she knows what she is doing. Underrated bassist all around.

Posted by Chris F. on Thursday, 02/6/2020 @ 15:37pm


Hey Guys,

May I ask you guys a few questions?.

a.) Which 2020 nominees do you guys see being nominated again next year for 2021?.

b.) Which acts that were not nominated this year for 2020 but were nominated in previous years do you guys see being nominated again next year for 2021?.

c.) Which acts do you guys see being nominated for the first time next year for 2021?.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/6/2020 @ 16:35pm


If the museum is any indication, I wouldn't be surprised if any of DMB, Soundgarden, and Pat Benatar got nominated again.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 02/6/2020 @ 19:58pm


Follower,

I think that Pat Benatar and Soundgarden will both return to the ballot and get their second consecutive nominations next year and this time, they'll get inducted along with Foo Fighters, Jay-Z and 1 or 2 other acts, As far as DMB, I just don't think that they'll return to the ballot next year, I think that there are way too many other 90's Alternative Rock Bands/Acts that are ahead of them like Rage Against The Machine, Jane's Addiction, Beck, Smashing Pumpkins, Alice In Chains, Weezer, Oasis, Tool and Stone Temple Pilots. so I just don't think that DMB will return to the ballot or get inducted anytime soon.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/6/2020 @ 20:17pm


Thank you Chris F! And I look forward to hearing your thoughts on my piece Ben. The other artists I spotlighted (so far) are Gloria Estefan, Joe Cocker, The Pointer Sisters and X. I'm currently researching the subject of my next artist for the series.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 02/6/2020 @ 20:40pm


Two thoughts. Gloria Estefan was just mentioned. I think she and her Miami Sound Machine don't get enough mention for HOF consideration. They are pop, salsa, a tiny bit of disco, a tiny bit of rock. The Latin beat that Santana implemented into his masterpiece of a career also resonates with Gloria and Emilio. I know it's a huge logjam, but the MSM should get a long hard look. I think the first time they get nommed, they well may be in.

Secondly, Ben:

I have been waiting patiently for you to pick up your series. Are you planning on reviving it, or are you satisfied with how far it went?

I posted a way too early ballot higher up on the page, and will not rehash it until I deem necessary.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 02/7/2020 @ 00:15am


For some reason, I have a gut feeling that this will be the 2021 ballot when the next nominees are announced in October and they are:

Pat Benatar
Chaka Khan
Dave Matthews Band
Eurythmics
Roberta Flack
Foo Fighters
Grand Funk Railroad
INXS
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
New Order
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
War

Which would make the class a foregone conclusion of 6 inductees and they would be:

Pat Benatar
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/7/2020 @ 19:06pm


Nick,

I read your piece. It was Very well done. You started with a nice paragraph about John Lennon hearing B52s Rock Lobster. I remember some of that interview, which I heard in 1980,shortly before his assassination. I also remember when Rock Lobster exploded on Radio stations. I also want to mention that Wild Planet was one of my favorite albums of 1980. I missed the boat on Whammy. I will check that out. I think I recall Legal Tender.

Cosmic Thing became a runaway success and the best-selling album ever released by the band, selling well over 4 million copies. "Roam" and "Love Shack" became radio smashes and both even cracked the top 5 I do know this. I want to add in that Bushfire and Channel Z are also great songs on Cosmic Thing. I have Cosmic Thing, their cool comeback album. Both Kate Pierson and Cindy Wilson are great vocalists. I predicted the B52s as Nominees for this year. I think they are the next 80s group to be nominated. Thumbs up to your piece.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 06:02am


Ben,

I have to absolutely agree with you on The B-52's, I think that they will finally get their first nomination next year, but I would also like to mention that the Eurythmics are being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year and they have been previously nominated once back in 2018, so I think that they'll reappear on the ballot next year also, I also think that Devo will reappear on the ballot next year and get their second nomination as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 10:20am


When it comes to New Wave/80's Alternative, I'm going with Duran Duran cause they're on the Cars and Depeche Mode level of popularity and commercial success. If the Nom Com and/or voting body decides to go with a more critical acclaimed band from their genre(s), then I think it's gonna be tossed up between the Smiths and Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 10:37am


Thanks Ben, I appreciate it. I think their first nomination is coming very soon.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 11:33am


Hey Guys,

I'm going to list off all of the acts that have been previously nominated but haven't been inducted yet (excluding Chic) and they are:

Johnny Ace
Esther Phillips
Mary Wells
Ben E. King
Carole King
The Dominoes
New York Dolls
Steve Winwood
Gram Parsons
The Sir Douglas Quintet
Afrika Bambaataa
The Chantels
Chuck Willis
Eric B. & Rakim
Procol Harum
The Replacements
The Marvelettes
Sting
War
The J.B's
Los Lobos
The Smiths
The Spinners
Bad Brains
Chaka Khan
Jane's Addiction
Joe Tex
Steppenwolf
Kate Bush
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
The Meters
Link Wray
Devo
LL Cool J
John Prine
Rage Against The Machine
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy

Out of all of the acts that I mentioned, Which ones do you think are most likely to return to the ballot at some point and how many nominations it will take them before they get inducted?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 12:12pm


The Dude and richie,

Please excuse me, but I am going to weigh in on this. I think that the induction of Depeche Mode opens the door widely for a nomination of Joy Division/New Order. On the other hand, the recent inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), The Cars and Roxy Music opens the door widely for Duran Duran.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 12:14pm


richie, out of all those acts you listed, if I had to pick 7, these are who I would pick:

Eric B. & Rakim
The Marvelettes
War
The Spinners
LL Cool J
Pat Benatar
Judas Priest

This was very, very hard.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 12:29pm


According to this site, both the Smiths and Joy Division/New Order have a 58% chance of getting inducted, so it is likely either one of them could make it next year. But I'm still hoping for Duran Duran though to keep the New Wave/80's Alternative going. Ever since the Cars got in a couple of years ago, they became the catalysts for their genres like Rush is or maybe was for Prog in 2013.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 12:31pm


So guess what. By popular demand I am Reviving my Series. As a Small Recap I went from the Classes of 1994 to 2010. I covered a lot of acts. It's mostly my Favs but some that arent favs but are Well deserved. I delayed reviving it due to Working a lot and doing some Family Clerical. I am up to 2011 class.. This to me was the weakest Class of all. The Hall kind of reached an All time low. Enig I want to apologize for Excluding Abba for my 2010 Roundup. I am veryy sorry about that. I will give a positive remark on Abba. They had International success and are one of the few famous acts from Sweden. I like the hits SOS and Fernando. Those have a special Internatonal flavor. I can relate to those 2 hits because my Mother was French. I recall a tune called Voulez Vous. But NO Dancing Queen for me How's that? The 2010 Class was NOT too bad BUT then came the 2011 Class. Just as most Slightly recent ceremonies I watched the 2011. One of the best Acts was Alice Cooper. He is a shock Rock legend.. I am NOT a huge fan but I like a bunch of his stuff. Alice Cooper is actually the name of the band or originally were.
Alice Cooper released their first album in 1969. Alice Cooper developed their classic Heavy Metal approach on Love it To Death in 1971. It features Eighteen , Which I like. In the early 70s they developed an elaborate Live show.

School's Out was a Top 10 hit. I love that song. Most 70s Rock fans do. Billion Dollar Babies was a huge album. This has my all time fav Alice Cooper song No More Mr. Nice Guy.. I own Alice Cooper's Greatest Hits. Other tunes I like are Hello Hooray. Elected and Billion Dollar Babies. I also own Welcome to My Nightmare. It was also a huge success. Welcome to my Night mare and Black Widow. are favs of mine too.
made a successful comeback in the late '80s, sparked by his appearances in horror films and a series of pop-metal bands that paid musical homage to his classic early records and concerts. Constrictor, released in 1986, started his comeback, but it was 1989's Trash that returned Cooper to the spotlight. Produced by the proven hitmaker Desmond Child, Trash featured guest appearances by Jon Bon Jovi, Richie Sambora, and most of Aerosmith; the record became a Top Ten album in Britain and peaked at number 20 in the U.S., going platinum. "Poison," a midtempo rocker on Trash became a Top 10 hit, one of his few. He continued releasing albums though the 1990s and even Now. Alice Cooper is very deserved in the RnR Hall. It represents Heavy Rock in the 2011 class. The rest of the class is a bit shaky. Stay tuned for Dr, John. He is my other choice for an act that deserves to be an Inductee. K. Dawg, There you go, My series is Back. Comment on Alice Cooper.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 13:09pm


So guess what. By popular demand I am Reviving my Series. As a Small Recap I went from the Classes of 1994 to 2010. I covered a lot of acts. It's mostly my Favs but some that arent favs but are Well deserved. I delayed reviving it due to Working a lot and doing some Family Clerical. I am up to 2011 class.. This to me was the weakest Class of all. The Hall kind of reached an All time low. Enig I want to apologize for Excluding Abba for my 2010 Roundup. I am veryy sorry about that. I will give a positive remark on Abba. They had International success and are one of the few famous acts from Sweden. I like the hits SOS and Fernando. Those have a special Internatonal flavor. I can relate to those 2 hits because my Mother was French. I recall a tune called Voulez Vous. But NO Dancing Queen for me How's that? The 2010 Class was NOT too bad BUT then came the 2011 Class. Just as most Slightly recent ceremonies I watched the 2011. One of the best Acts was Alice Cooper. He is a shock Rock legend.. I am NOT a huge fan but I like a bunch of his stuff. Alice Cooper is actually the name of the band or originally were.
Alice Cooper released their first album in 1969. Alice Cooper developed their classic Heavy Metal approach on Love it To Death in 1971. It features Eighteen , Which I like. In the early 70s they developed an elaborate Live show.

School's Out was a Top 10 hit. I love that song. Most 70s Rock fans do. Billion Dollar Babies was a huge album. This has my all time fav Alice Cooper song No More Mr. Nice Guy.. I own Alice Cooper's Greatest Hits. Other tunes I like are Hello Hooray. Elected and Billion Dollar Babies. I also own Welcome to My Nightmare. It was also a huge success. Welcome to my Night mare and Black Widow. are favs of mine too.
made a successful comeback in the late '80s, sparked by his appearances in horror films and a series of pop-metal bands that paid musical homage to his classic early records and concerts. Constrictor, released in 1986, started his comeback, but it was 1989's Trash that returned Cooper to the spotlight. Produced by the proven hitmaker Desmond Child, Trash featured guest appearances by Jon Bon Jovi, Richie Sambora, and most of Aerosmith; the record became a Top Ten album in Britain and peaked at number 20 in the U.S., going platinum. "Poison," a midtempo rocker on Trash became a Top 10 hit, one of his few. He continued releasing albums though the 1990s and even Now. Alice Cooper is very deserved in the RnR Hall. It represents Heavy Rock in the 2011 class. The rest of the class is a bit shaky. Stay tuned for Dr, John. He is my other choice for an act that deserves to be an Inductee. K. Dawg, There you go, My series is Back. Comment on Alice Cooper.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 13:09pm


ENIG
There's an explosion of posts today I guess because it's the weekend. Plenty to chew and marinate on. Let's start with Duran Duran. I think Depeche Mode's induction leaves a spot open for Duran Duran. I don't think they would have placed Duran Duran and Depeche Mode on the same ballot. I've already posted before many of the 80's legends and groups are inducted RRHOF. Bruce, Janet, John Mellencamp, Madonna, MJ, U2, Van Halen, etc. Duran Duran appears to be the biggest 80's band not inducted. Duran Duran Mania was something else. We can agree to disagree about 80's Duran Duran as PROG. I still say they fit neatly under the New Wave umbrella or New Romantics. Definitely have Duran Duran on my October 2020 ballot with Alabama, The Offspring, Smashing Pumpkins, and Procol Harum.
My guess Bryan Adams, Duran Duran, Eurythmics, Tina Turner could be the 4 chosen Nominated out of the 80's window. I think the question: Will Duran Duran be inducted on their 1st nomination? You would think but Radiohead was skipped over before and Judas Priest is still trying to earn induction. I don't have any quarrels on ABBA and Alice Cooper being inducted. Both had some Classic songs. Alice Cooper never seems to age. I like Eighteen and No More Mr. Nice Guy of the earlier Cooper. Constrictor was a strong 80's album. Happy Birthday Prog King February Aquarius. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 13:51pm


Now that Depeche Mode is in, I have stated from the beginning I thought that they were a 1-2 punch with Duran Duran as being inductees in the RRHOF. I think Duran Duran is almost a shoo-in next year. The Hall has also quietly begun to induct 80s acts who are commercial in addition to critical successes, and have branched out more into the popular genre with successive inductions of Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston. I will admit, this is also a giant lift to diversifying the Hall in both gender and a term I don't recognize, "race", as I feel there is only one, the human race, but it has helped in both respects. Duran Duran had enduring popularity throughout the 80s, and their style is right in the thick of New Wave, so I see them as checking all the boxes for an easy path.

The other new wave band I see getting a lot of love might well be the Eurythmics. Annie Lennox and David A. Stewart are legendary in the business, and their string of hits along with 2 of the most memorable 80s songs in "Sweet Dreams Are Made of This" and "Here Comes the Rain Again" are definitely in the realm of influence and popularity for the Hall. The one thing that may hinder their direct induction might be the failure to put in Pat Benatar this previous year. While everyone inducted was indeed worthy, the omission of Pat sent shockwaves and rage through both the rock community and those wishing to close the gap of gender separation. Quite simply, the Hall should have inducted a minimum of 8 last year, with of course my vocal obliteration of how they treat Kraftwerk every year. Knowing this committee and group of voters, I see Pat Benatar and Annie Lennox possibly being ones to cancel each other out. They should not be.

As to the B52s, incredibly talented band, and their "safari sound" is really unique and could well merit a nomination sooner than later. I just don't see them being as influential yet as they should get in before the Eurythmics (I realize they predate them). Given trends, I think the RRHOF will bow to the commercial success before the critical success

One trend I see possibly continuing is that the 70s acts may become the new 60s where we get token nominations with the occasional one being let in ,i.e the Zombies. Foreigner, Bad Company, Blue Oyster Cult and Supertramp, among a few others, may well be deserving acts that will have to wait their turn in years to come as the focus is now squarely on the 80s with the 90s in close pursuit, and in just a mere 5 years, the 2000s begin to trickle in. The remaining 60s acts? We shall see what happens to them...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 18:15pm


Hey Guys,

I'm going to list off all of the acts that have been previously nominated but haven't been inducted yet (excluding Chic) and they are:

Johnny Ace (nominated twice in 1986 and 1987)
Esther Phillips (nominated twice in 1986 and 1987)
Mary Wells (nominated twice in 1986 and 1987)
Ben E. King (nominated three times in 1986, 1987 and 1988)
Carole King (nominated once in 1989)
The Dominoes (nominated once in 1997)
New York Dolls (nominated once in 2001)
Steve Winwood (nominated once in 2003)
Gram Parsons (nominated three times in 2002, 2004 and 2005)
The Sir Douglas Quintet (nominated once in 2006)
Afrika Bambaataa (nominated once in 2008)
The Chantels (nominated twice in 2002 and 2010)
Chuck Willis (nominated six times in 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990 and 2011)
Eric B. & Rakim (nominated once in 2012)
Procol Harum (nominated once in 2013)
The Replacements (nominated once in 2014)
The Marvelettes (nominated twice in 2013 and 2015)
Sting (nominated once in 2015)
War (nominated three times in 2009, 2012 and 2015)
The J.B's (nominated once in 2016)
Los Lobos (nominated once in 2016)
The Smiths (nominated twice in 2015 and 2016)
The Spinners (nominated three times in 2012, 2015 and 2016)
Bad Brains (nominated once in 2017)
Chaka Khan (nominated twice in 2016 and 2017)
Jane's Addiction (nominated once in 2017)
Joe Tex (nominated five times in 1998, 2006, 2007, 2011 and 2017)
Steppenwolf (nominated once in 2017)
Kate Bush (nominated once in 2018)
Eurythmics (nominated once in 2018)
The J. Geils Band (nominated five times in 2005, 2006, 2011, 2017 and 2018)
The Meters (nominated four times in 1997, 2013, 2014 and 2018)
Link Wray (nominated twice in 2014 and 2018)
Devo (nominated once in 2019)
LL Cool J (nominated five times in 2010, 2011, 2014, 2018 and 2019)
John Prine (nominated once in 2019)
Rage Against The Machine (nominated twice in 2018 and 2019)
Pat Benatar (nominated once in 2020)
Dave Matthews Band (nominated once in 2020)
Judas Priest (nominated twice in 2018 and 2020)
Kraftwerk (nominated six times in 2003, 2013, 2015, 2017, 2019 and 2020)
MC5 (nominated five times in 2003, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020)
Motorhead (nominated once in 2020)
Rufus With Chaka Khan (nominated four times in 2012, 2018, 2019 and 2020)
Todd Rundgren (nominated twice in 2019 and 2020)
Soundgarden (nominated once in 2020)
Thin Lizzy (nominated once in 2020)

Out of all of the acts that I mentioned that have been previously nominated but haven't been inducted yet (excluding Chic), Which ones do you guys see being nominated again at some point and how many nominations it will take them before they get inducted?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 19:15pm


My other sugesstions for special guests of Class of 2020

Bernard Sumner of New Order presenting Decephe Mode
Carlos Santana presenting Doobie Brothers
Dionne Warwick presenting Whitney Houston
Gary Numan presenting Nine Inch Nails
Enimem presenting Biggie
Michael Stipe & Peter Buck of R.E.M presenting T. Rex
Joe Walsh presenting Irving Azoff
Billy Joel presenting Jon Landau

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Saturday, 02/8/2020 @ 19:28pm


KING THOUGHTS FEB 2020 ON RRHOF INDUCTEES.
Here's some of my ideas and proposals to make it a better experience for the RRHOF Ceremony, Inductees, and Music Fans.
1. Allow the Inductees to nominate an artist or group for the next class. Many have been creating music CD's, touring, and working for 30, 40, 50 years. They deserve that honor to choose 1 group for the next class. This also would heighten the excitement as the artist leaves the change. Who would they choose for induction? EX: Depeche Mode shows a big card with "DURAN DURAN" on it before leaving the stage. NIN announces "ADAM ANT" or "SMASHING PUMPKINS".
2. Increase the ballot size to 20 Nominees a class. With the recent Inductees selecting 5, Nom Com still would be able to select 15 more. Additional class size probably adds another female and black artist to the slate. People want diversity from the comments here.
3. End Of Decade Expanded 8-10 Inductees. The NFL had an exciting and successful expanded HOF for their 100th anniversary. 20 gridiron greats, coaches, and executive types were selected and some overlooked players from 40's, 50's, and 60's etc now given a fresh look. This could be something the RRHOF could adopt either for their say 40th or 50th anniversary. Maybe, end of decades. They can have a Special Committee to nominate and induct artists who may have been forgotten in 40's, 50's, 60's.
4. For the artists who have been deceased or recently deceased, I'm curious if they can have an appointed family member or spouse have a vote on their behalf. It's a shame so many great artists just lose their votes when they are dead. With many rock and rollers in their 70's and 80's now, there could be a year when 10 or 12 voters pass away. A few votes sometimes can decide who is inducted and who is not.
5. Examine this Dave Matthews situation. DMB first group to win the FAN VOTE not inducted in that years class. It's finally happened and Richie was right. I wonder what can happen about this in the future. Maybe, the FAN VOTE winner gets 5 or 10 additional votes instead of the 1 or 2 votes it receives now.
6. Repeat Nominated Artists Benefit. 1 Nomination=5 Votes. This might help a multiple inductee like Chaka Khan, Kraftwerk, and MC5. Say a group like Kraftwerk has 6 nominations. That's 30 Votes automatically carried over to next cycle. Eventually, the many nominations will assist in having a group inducted.
What do you think?
KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 02/9/2020 @ 01:48am


Richie,

Any and all the acts you list will most likely see another nomination. As for induction. Khan seems the most obvious. Although I am of the opinion she should be inducted twice. With Rufus going in ahead of her solo career. The nom com seems to want her ( or Questlove seems to at least). Other than that all the Metal acts and Pat Benatar should be finding places soon enough. I say just start at Johnny Ace and Esther William's and put 2 or 3 in every year until that list is cleared up.

KDawg,

"direct induction might be the failure to put in Pat Benatar this previous year. While everyone inducted was indeed worthy, the omission of Pat sent shockwaves and rage through both the rock community and those wishing to close the gap of gender separation."

You have a solid point there. Who would have thought it would be Benatar to be the rally point for that though? As a big fan of her work I didn't expect such a hard push for her from the larger fan base. It was a pleasant surprise.

Posted by Chris F. on Sunday, 02/9/2020 @ 06:37am


K-Dawg,

I revived My Series Yesterday. I am up to the 2011 Class. Yesterday was Alice Cooper. Today I cover Dr. John. Dr, John deserves to be in the Hall. IMO it was at the wrong time though. Clearly an act like Lou Reed, Chicago,Steve Miller or Moody Blues could have at least been inducted in 2011. But Nonetheless,Dr. John is fine..
I like some Dr. John.. Dr. John got big by combining New Orleans music with Jazz,Rock and R&B. He was born Malcolm Rebenneck. He created the character named Dr. John. In 1973 Dr, John finally enjoyed success with the song Right Place,Wrong Time. It was a Top 10 Hit. But he had no more hits. His next album was Destively Bonnaroo had no hits.
In 1976 Dr. John was in the Last Waltz. Such a Night was in the movie about the Band,the Last WAltz. In 1992, he released his second album for Warner Bros., Goin' Back to New Orleans, featuring new interpretations of New Orleans classics with a handful of guest performers including the Neville Brothers, Al Hirt, and Pete Fountain. The record earned Dr. John an album big with Critics. And it sold pretty well. Do you or anyone have comments about Dr. John or Alice Cooper from yesterday? I am done with 2011. You or anyone can mention any other acts from 2011 Class. I will say that Neil Diamond. He is part of why this is the weakest class, Neil Diamond could have gone in Someday after many many others. 2021 would have been better for Neil Diamond. I don't Just Toss an artist away just wish it were a Later year. In any Case. There is Dr. John

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/9/2020 @ 09:27am


K-Dawg,

I revived My Series Yesterday. I am up to the 2011 Class. Yesterday was Alice Cooper. Today I cover Dr. John. Dr, John deserves to be in the Hall. IMO it was at the wrong time though. Clearly an act like Lou Reed, Chicago,Steve Miller or Moody Blues could have at least been inducted in 2011. But Nonetheless,Dr. John is fine..
I like some Dr. John.. Dr. John got big by combining New Orleans music with Jazz,Rock and R&B. He was born Malcolm Rebenneck. He created the character named Dr. John. In 1973 Dr, John finally enjoyed success with the song Right Place,Wrong Time. It was a Top 10 Hit. But he had no more hits. His next album was Destively Bonnaroo had no hits.
In 1976 Dr. John was in the Last Waltz. Such a Night was in the movie about the Band,the Last WAltz. In 1992, he released his second album for Warner Bros., Goin' Back to New Orleans, featuring new interpretations of New Orleans classics with a handful of guest performers including the Neville Brothers, Al Hirt, and Pete Fountain. The record earned Dr. John an album big with Critics. And it sold pretty well. Do you or anyone have comments about Dr. John or Alice Cooper from yesterday? I am done with 2011. You or anyone can mention any other acts from 2011 Class. I will say that Neil Diamond. He is part of why this is the weakest class, Neil Diamond could have gone in Someday after many many others. 2021 would have been better for Neil Diamond. I don't Just Toss an artist away just wish it were a Later year. In any Case. There is Dr. John

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/9/2020 @ 09:27am


Neil Diamond became eligible to be inducted in this farce of an institution in 1989. From his days at the Brill Building to his own prolific solo career, the man has proven his ability over and over again. I take it you don't think he's "rock" enough. Maybe you need to check out his catalog, starting with Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show and Thank the Lord for the Nightime. As far as I'm concerned he should have gone in by 1999 at the latest. Definitely before ABBA.

Posted by joker on Sunday, 02/9/2020 @ 14:15pm


2011, the worst class in the history of the hall, with the possible exceptions of 2016 and 2018.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 02/9/2020 @ 14:56pm


2016 was save by the ridiculously long overdue admission of NWA; also, Steve Miller should have been in decades ago, but they still screwed that big time by omitting his band. By those two inductions, I give it a pass over 2011, along with Deep Purple...

2018 likewise had some deserving bands inducted in the Cars and the Moody Blues, but yes, it was a pitiful attempt. I can recall the rock whiners complaining about Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta Tharpe, but otherwise calling it the best class ever. Simpletons they are.

Ben, I did notice you resumed your series, and thank you. I'll have some to say in the next couple days.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/9/2020 @ 16:32pm


Joker,

I failed to mention this but actually Linda Ronstadt, Cat Stevens, Bill Withers and Joan Baez are acts that could have been inducted before Neil Diamond. And I did NOT say Never. Never is Wrong. It could have been Linda Ronstadt in 2011 and Neil Diamond in 2014. The Sum up is 2011 was a weak Class

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/9/2020 @ 18:03pm


Ben,

For me, Dr. John was the weakest member of the Class Of 2011. I'm not saying he isn't talented, but Neil Diamond is a fantastic and prolific singer/songwriter that people forget just how many great and imaginative songs he did. Tom Waits is much the same... I mean, "The Piano Has Been Drinking" is just sheer genius. And Darlene Love is pure listening pleasure. It's physically impossible to remain unhappy listening to that woman perform. I defy you to state otherwise. And Alice Cooper? As a Michigander, we call him "Uncle Alice" and we're glad they included the whole band. Leon Russell, got nothing but respect for everything the man's done, even when the results weren't the greatest. Art Rupe is responsible for, among others, launching the careers of Little Richard and Lloyd Price, two acts I love very much. Jac Holzman's Elektra label has also given us a ton of amazing songs and artists. 2011 was a pretty awesome class. I wouldn't call it weak by any means.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 02/9/2020 @ 21:45pm


Hey Guys,

I know it's really early, but besides the obvious two FYE locks/shoo-ins in Foo Fighters and Jay-Z, who do you guys see being nominated for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 00:13am


Philip,

You are the one I chatted with about Lloyd Price. I think Lloyd Price is great. He was inducted in the late 1990s. I've been trying to remember lately who I chatted about Lloyd Price. I generally go for Beatles, Rolling Stones, Temptations, Fours Tops and up.But Lloyd Price is back to about 1958 and I like him. His hits like Personality are very fine. I will get to point.As far as Dr. John, I own things by him and feel he is deserved. Not sure about Well deserved but I did say he was inducted at the wrong time. The Hall could have waited and Inducted somebody else in the Backlog. All in All I found 2011 was a Weak class. I don't know Darlene Love much at all. I read she was a back up singer. You seem to be more of an expert on Music 1956-1963. I thought it was a bit weak because of the acts it held back like Linda Ronstadt, Bill Withers, Chicago,Steve Miller. Again Never is BAD. It's the order of things I disagree at times. The biggest problem with 2011 is those acts could have waited. That's all I'm saying. Hats off to you though with Lloyd Price and also Joe Tex who we mentioned I think

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 04:32am


Philip,

You are the one I chatted with about Lloyd Price. I think Lloyd Price is great. He was inducted in the late 1990s. I've been trying to remember lately who I chatted about Lloyd Price. I generally go for Beatles, Rolling Stones, Temptations, Fours Tops and up.But Lloyd Price is back to about 1958 and I like him. His hits like Personality are very fine. I will get to point.As far as Dr. John, I own things by him and feel he is deserved. Not sure about Well deserved but I did say he was inducted at the wrong time. The Hall could have waited and Inducted somebody else in the Backlog. All in All I found 2011 was a Weak class. I don't know Darlene Love much at all. I read she was a back up singer. You seem to be more of an expert on Music 1956-1963. I thought it was a bit weak because of the acts it held back like Linda Ronstadt, Bill Withers, Chicago,Steve Miller. Again Never is BAD. It's the order of things I disagree at times. The biggest problem with 2011 is those acts could have waited. That's all I'm saying. Hats off to you though with Lloyd Price and also Joe Tex who we mentioned I think

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 04:32am


K-Dawg,

I am a Huge Rock fan but certainly Not a whiner. I'm with you man on Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta Tharpe. We have quite a bit of agreement with the Hall. I confess I listened to Sister Rosetta Tharpe after she was Inducted, But I love Nina Simone. I am a big Jazz fan. I've liked Nina Simone for over 30 Years. Every Early morning until around 8AM I play strictly Jazz. John Coltrane, McCoy Tyner. Miles Davis, Milt Jackson, Modern Jazz Quartet and yes Indeed Nina Simone. One of the great Jazz singers I say.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 05:18am


"The the Fan Vote is worth two ballots." - Greg Harris

Sounds like a bullsh*t response to the controversies the Hall is now having with the online fan ballot. I remember listening to one of the episodes of Who Cares About The Rock Hall when Joe said most of the voters he met didn't vote for Bon Jovi. It's very likely some of the REAL winners didn't get enough votes from the voting body, but were grandfathered in to give what the majority of the general public wanted the most. If Greg claimed himself to be a business guy, then why can't they just add DMB as a seventh spot rather than rigging the fan ballot and making it meaningless as the National Popular Vote? That's not how consumerism works.

It does not make fans to look at the Nom Com and voting body, it makes them feel alienated and causes boycotts. Every business had caused financial consequences and the Hall is no exception.

With Whitney Houston, Biggie, most of the members from T. Rex deceased, they coulda stop planning on tributes to make some room for Dave and the company and we would have more non-white inductees for this year's class. But the next ceremony won't be successful as the last two years both commercially and financially. DMB is still one of my least favorites bands from the 90's, but I can't deny the fact they're a ticket-selling-and-money-making machine who would easily capitalize the Hall.

Yeah, Depeche Mode are the biggest band on this year's class, but they don't get played on the Radio regularly as the Doobies Brothers very much, most casual listeners see NIN as a semi-niche level band, and T. Rex is one of those acts who always get mislabeled as a "one-hit wonder."

I know DMB isn't critically acclaimed as other bands from their era, but that because most critics are nothing but hipsters who care about being "cool and edgy" rather being elaborate like they're supposed to be. They claimed themselves to be open minded, but they only listen to college radio and coffee shop music at Starbucks. One Hall Watcher has pointed out they dropped the ball millions of times every time when they criticize since the late 70's and Early 80's. It's no wonder nobody reads reviews, and judge things for themselves.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 10:06am


Ben, you arent my target for the rock purists. Sorry if it came off like that. I love rock as well, but I like to think I'm objective enough to realize not every entrant in the RRHOF has to be played on the local classic rock station.

Follower,
I think dead or alive, Whitney is the biggest name for an inductee this year. I hope they go all out with a tribute, and this will bring some people in. Sadly, though, I think you are right about the rest. The voters cant seem to win, even when they select an excellent class, like this year

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 10:53am


I just realized that there isn't a Jeff Lynne/Mark Knopfner/Brian Eno type. Meaning, a band where one particular member is especially well regarded. I guess Trent Reznor comes close even though NIN is a one-man band. Marc Bolan might count too.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 11:04am


Ben,
Since you have revived your Series, I thought I would make a few comments on 2011. Mainly just Alice Cooper and Neil Diamond, and with Neil D., I believe he was long overdue already at his point of induction. He had a huge career from the 60's into the 90's, and was still a big concert draw at that time. I love the Bang records years of the late 60's, and in creating the Monkees, the musicians borrowed heavily from Neil's music, and he also wrote a ton of songs in that time. Check out the similarities in "Cherry Cherry", and "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You". Great songs like "I Am, I Said", "Cracklin' Rosie", and "Longfellow Serenade". And he also wrote "I'm A Believer".. I did not have a problem with him getting in before the other artists you mentioned, he was definitely overdue.

I was really glad to see Alice Cooper get voted in with this Class. His early career just took the Rock world by storm with those first great albums, and the hits, "I'm Eighteen", and "School's Out". We were jamming on Billion Dollar Babies as young teenagers, and then Welcome to My Nightmare, but the album I really got into was Alice Cooper Goes To Hell, a Concept LP about Alice going to hell in a dream and meeting up with the devil, done in a comedic approach. Cool songs on that are "Go To Hell", "Didn't We Meet", "Guilty", and it had the hit "I Never Cry". I guess being a high school teenager at the time made that LP a favorite for me. I've seen Alice Cooper 3 times in concert, and he always gives 100% in putting on a great show. Also glad they included the band for the Induction which was well deserved.

On Dr. John, I believe he got in for his great talent, his very unique and original approach to music, and his diversity. Not so much for hit songs or sales. I was OK with his induction, but you know how it is with HOF, there is always someone great that gets left out. One pretty cool video is Dr. John jamming with Jeff Healy live, performing on some obscure TV show.

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 11:26am


Oh, the video I mentioned , a must see, with Jeff Healey, Dr. John, Marcus Miller, and Omar Hakim, performing "See The Light", on a show called Night Music. I believe it was from around 1988, but it is excellent quality audio and video on you tube..

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 11:43am


Sorry, I meant to mention the Dude when I acknowledged Follower. I apologize for the confusion...mine lol

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 11:47am


@ K-Dawg

No need to apologize, it happens all the time. But knowing what the newest class are what they are,I just hope the posthumous tributes are worth the experience. Bill Legend from T. Rex should be at ceremony and play a handful of songs with guests as a tribute to his deceased members, and I also think Gloria Jones (also from T. Rex) should be included too as an inductee, since Whitney is the only female on this year's class. It wouldn't hurt to reduce the controversy a bit by adding one more.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 12:14pm


Hey Guys,

Does this year's induction class remind you guys of the 2015 induction ceremony when we had a lot of deceased people go in that year (Stevie Ray Vaughan, Lou Reed, The '5' Royales and most of The Paul Butterfield Blues Band), with a lot of tribute performances at that year's ceremony, This year's ceremony is gonna be very similar to 2015 with a lot of deceased people getting inducted this year (Biggie, Whitney Houston and most of T. Rex), so we'll have a lot of tribute performances at this year's ceremony just like 2015, Does this year's induction class remind you guys of 2015?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 12:20pm


Will N.,

It's always Coool seeing you on here. Our music tastes are Similar. We are originally from the same General Era. I was in 6th Grade in 1976. So Good enough I guess. That is Great conments on Alice Cooper. I heard of Alice Cooper Goes to Hell but NEVER owned it. I own Greatest Hits and Welcome to my Nightmare. I DID NOT know Goes to Hell was a concept Album. I used to own. Schools Out and Billion Dollar Babies albums . LONG long ago. I may remember Lace and Whiskey but Never owned it.

With Neil D., I like Cracklin Rosie, Sweet Caroline And Song Song Blue. I own 2 of. Those. I guess Some say he was Long Overdue. He is a Mellow performer. I love some Mellow performers. Makes the World balanced. But Linda Ronstadt would have been a better choice for 2011. I will stick with Mellow picks . Cat Stevens also was overdue. But Heyy this the Hall. Not everything Makes sense. Neil Diamond around 2016 would have been better. NEVER is BAD. Neil Diamond was Back In my AM days. Do nothing against all his stuff.
Dr. John is pretty good. He did NOT have a lot of hit songs but has a lot of talent. I own a Couple Dr John albums. I was Ok with his Inducton. The video of Dr . John with Jeff Healey live sounds vaguely familiar .

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 15:14pm


Which 2020 nominees do you guys see being nominated again next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 15:47pm


Of all the 2020 nominees I think that Rufus featuring Chaka Khan, Kraftwerk, Pat Benatar, Soundgarden, MC5 and Judas Priest returning for 2021.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 18:47pm


Those are all good bets. Pat, Soundgarden, and Judas Priest I would put money on. Kraftwerk, Chaka, and MC5 are practically perennial nominees at this point. I could see Motorhead and/or Thin Lizzy sneaking back in too.

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 18:53pm


I'm not expecting MC5 to get nominated again; the votes were low as an empty bottle of milk. Why not give another punk band a spin like the Buzzcocks or the Jam? Even if they don't have enough support to get in, they could do better.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 19:08pm


Which acts that were not nominated this year for 2020 but were nominated in previous years do you guys see being nominated again next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/10/2020 @ 21:26pm


joker,

You commented the other day that I don't think Neil Diamond is "rock" enough. Nope that's Not it. I love seeing Folk music artists being inducted. I like Rock and folk. I am diverse. Linda Ronstadt has a lot of mellow and "folkie" music. Also some is countryish. I love Linda Ronstadt. I also love Cat Stevens. These 2 acts are NOT what we call usual Rock. I loved when Linda Ronstadt and Cat Stevens were inducted. The same with James Taylor. I love me some James Taylor. James Taylor was inducted in 1999. You said Neil Diamond could have been inducted 1999. The Great James Taylor and Eric Clapton were inducted in 1999. Along with Earth,Wind & Fire, Lovin Spoonful and Bonnie Raitt. There was only 5 or 6 acts inducted 1999. No room for Neil Diamond. Similarly in 2003 there was ones like Righteous Brothers and the Police. On down the line. Neil Diamond, Linda Ronstadt and Cat Stevens were skipped. I think IMO Linda Ronstadt and Cat Stevens should have been inducted by 2011. Not Neil Diamond. I feel strongly about folk and Mellow rock acts getting inducted.
Neil Diamond was an AM favorite of mine. Tunes like Song Song Blue are great. That doesn't mean Neil Diamond should get inducted 2011, I like Rainy Days and Mondays and Top of the World by the Carpenters. It doesn't mean they should be inducted that soon Now. In fact Neil Diamond and Carpenters belong in the Hall. I just want to clear up that Folk music acts should be inducted before 1970s Middle of the Road acts. Another example is Joan Baez. That's it

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/11/2020 @ 05:48am


Which acts that were not nominated this year for 2020 but were nominated in previous years do you guys see being nominated again next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/11/2020 @ 10:06am


K-Dawg,

I do indeed know that I am Not your target. I was just goofing around but telling the truth that I am Not a whiner. I am a rather diverse Rocker. People here used to think I was this Conservative Classic Rock fan who just wants the Bands that Rock out with Guitars. James Taylor, Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen certainly do Not. Those are very fine talented artists. I OWN a bunch of music from those. That adds diversity. I saw Paul Simon in concert a long time back. I know that you know or sense this about me. And Leonard Cohen has never been played on a Classic Rock station ever. We do agree. Enough said on that. It's terrific we agree. I also like Bobby Womack to some extent. I do like some Very old R&B. And so I look forward to what you have to say in the Next couple days.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/11/2020 @ 14:55pm


Ben,

You say you are diverse. I'll believe you. You said, "Along with Earth,Wind & Fire, Lovin Spoonful and Bonnie Raitt. There was only 5 or 6 acts inducted 1999. No room for Neil Diamond." I don't see why Bonnie Raitt couldn't have waited 10 years after she became eligible, which was 2007. Ronstadt, Taylor and Stevens and other HOFers were AM radio staples just as much as Neil Diamond who was inducted by Paul Simon. I don't see why Diamond who wrote his own songs should have waited till after Ronstadt who covered most of her songs when he was already tearing up the charts years before she emerged as a big time solo act. You say folk artists should be inducted before MOR acts. Is there a reason for this? Is it because folk people are cooler than MOR acts. Shouldn't it be evaluated on a case by case basis? Just like there's good doctors and bad doctors, there's good folk artists and bad, good MOR and bad MOR.

Posted by joker on Tuesday, 02/11/2020 @ 16:04pm


Richie,

Here are my thoughts:

J Geils Band
The Spinners
The Meters
New York Dolls
The Smiths
Devo
Kate Bush
LL Cool J
Rage Against the Machine

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 02/11/2020 @ 18:11pm


J Geils band needs to go in a hole and never be nominated again

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 02/11/2020 @ 19:04pm


joker,

This will be my last entry on this. At least you won't say that I think Neil Diamond is not "Rock" enough for the hall since Cat Stevens is Not exactly Rocking. The truly biggest problem that I forgot about is that the Hall insisted on 5 a year. If that had Not happened then Neil Diamond and Linda Ronstadt could have been inducted at the same time. Remembering that 2011 could have been strengthened by 7 inductees . Then It could have been Neil Diamond, Linda Ronstadt And perhaps Chicago all in 2011. Hypothetical adding is better. Then Neil Diamond stays in 2011. And actually to be positive. I forgot about Bonnie Raitt. I always felt She could have waited . She was Rushed in for 1999. Then Neil Diamond could have been Inducted in 1999. And Everyone is Happy. And we could have moved Bonnie Raitt to 2007. We can Blame Bonnie R. Alll kidding aside. Early Neil Diamond is fine anyway. Cracklin. Rosie , Sweet Caroline and Song. Song Blue. It should have been 7 or 8 inductees Years back. That was the Problem. I'm. DONE

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/11/2020 @ 19:30pm


Which acts do you guys see being nominated for the first time next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/11/2020 @ 19:46pm


Richie, artists I see being nominated for the first time.

Iron Maiden
Bad Company
Carly Simon
The Go-Go's
Cyndi Lauper
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
Beck
The B-52s
Smashing Pumpkins
Big Star
Mott the Hoople
Commodores
Tina Turner

Artists that were previously nominated but not this year I could see.

LL Cool J
New York Dolls
Eurythmics
Kate Bush
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
The Smiths
Devo
The Meters
The Spinners
Rage Against the Machine

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 02/11/2020 @ 21:21pm


joker,

I want to add I was just looking at the Neil Diamond songs I have. I turns out I own Longfellow Serenade. And I apologize for what I said about Neil Diamond. Folk music is Not cooler than Neil Diamond. Nor is Neil Diamond cooler than folk music.Hopefully. Peter,Paul and Mary will have their time. Neil Diamond before them is Fine. Its as you say should be on a Case by Case basis. Bonnie Raitt was a good point made. She could have waited. You know who else could have waited Percy Sledge. If at all. He was inducted based on one or 2 songs. Neil Diamond had a lot more notable songs than 2. BUT 2011 is still weak due to Darlene Love. I read she was a back up singer. She seems to belong in the Musical Excellence category. Neil Diamond is tremendously more Notable than Darlene Love, This makes the Neil Diamond chat VOID. I thought more about it.Being Positive is good. I do NOT like being Negative.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 04:49am


Richie.

For first time noms, here's my list (pretty similar to Greg's):
The Carpenters
Nick Drake
Harry Nilsson
Warren Zevon
The Guess Who
Bad Company
Jethro Tull
Husker Du
Iron Maiden
Commodores
Big Star
Joy Division/New Order
Duran Duran
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Beck
George Michael
Cyndi Lauper
Boston

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 07:29am


It's fine that you want to speculate next year's class, Richie. I just feel sometimes the interjection takes away from the flow of conversations that we have here. The Smashing Pumpkins are quickly rising to my "next 90s band I want to see enshrined", but there's a small, er big list, of nominees that deserve some justice.

I will prepare my 2011 thoughts a little later on. Sorry, real life gets in the way and I've been very busy lately

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 11:17am


Hey Guys,

Assuming five or six acts per class, and ten more years, who do you guys see being the next 50-60 acts inducted into the Rock Hall in some order?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 12:39pm


Soo Coming soon is 2012 Class. I think this was a Strong Class. It has 6 acts I recall. Almost alll of them are Strong acts Well Deserved. I want to give some a chance to Catch Up. Later

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 12:45pm


I think any of these acts from the 50's and 60's have a chance at induction and there might be a chance at them doing two ceremonies starting next year with the second one focusing on 50's and 60's.

Johnny Ace
Esther Phillips
Chubby Checker
Lesley Gore
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
Jr. Walker and the All-Stars
Slim Harpo
Chuck Willis
Joe Tex
MC5
Steppenwolf
Harry Nilsson
Nick Drake
Neil Sedaka
Paul Anka
Big Mama Thornton
Peter, Paul and Mary
The Monkees
The Spinners
Connie Francis
Judy Collins
Jack Scott
Link Wrey
Dick Dale
Jan and Dean

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 13:25pm


Most of them have...NO CHANCE IN HELL!!!

Posted by Mr. XFL on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 14:21pm


Ben,

Don't forget about the backing groups that got inducted!

The Hall needs to do that again with some more backing groups. (The Wailers, The Belmonts, Them, Wings, The Mothers of Invention, Crazy Horse, Silver Bullet Band, etc.)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 14:56pm


Follower,

That's a Very goood point. I won't go back. But I willl keep in mind 2012 and on . Thanks

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 16:20pm


Richie I do not wish to make any induction speculations until I see an official ballot. I don't have a problem with speculating potential nominees for next year.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 18:47pm


Foo Fighters' new album has been fully recorded and it will come out this year to celebrate their 25th anniversary. I could easily tell they're getting themselves ready to become an FYE. Is Jay-Z working on some new music too?

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 19:53pm


Richie,
To help satisfy your thirst I will give you 18 artists for nomination for next year:

Pat Benatar
Rage Against The Machine
The B-52's
Judas Priest
Foo Fighters
Eurythmics
INXS
The Guess Who
Jay -Z
The Commodores
Jethro Tull
Bad Company
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
New York Dolls
Tina Turner
Alice In Chains
Todd Rundgren

Anyway, these would be the 18 nominees I would like to see, including the shoo in's, subject to change of course, but presenting this group of well deserving artists for now.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 02/12/2020 @ 21:16pm


KING FEB 2020 Artists For Consideration RRHOF.
Here's 30 Artists I Will Be Considering For The RRHOF Including A Few Surprises.
1. Bryan Adams
2. Smashing Pumpkins
3. Amy Grant & Vince Gill
4. Scorpions
5. Megadeth
6. X
7. Judas Priest
8. Duran Duran
9. Iron Maiden
10. Pat Benatar
11. The Eurythmics
12. Black Crowes
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. The Spinners
15. Alabama
16. Steve Winwood
17. The Offspring
18. Tina Turner
19. Gram/Emmylou
20. Kool & The Gang
21. Procol Harum
22. Soundgarden
23. Diana Ross
24. Dave Matthews Band
25. Foreigner
26. Bad Company
27. Morrissey
28. The Guess Who
29. Mariah Carey
30. WAR
My guess Jay-Z and Foofighters will be 1st year eligibles. Who are some of your potential nominees October 2020? KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 02/13/2020 @ 01:38am


I know that you guys will not agree with this, but I just don't see the Foo Fighters as a FYE nominee/inductee, I think that Rage Against The Machine and Soundgarden should and will both go in first ahead of them as far as 90's bands go, Foo Fighters are more of a 2000's band than a 90's band, plus they never really had a time period where they got consistent high critical praise which is something all first-year nominees usually have, if they get nominated/inducted FYE next year, it will be thanks to their long term popularity and Dave Grohl in general, I think that Dave Grohl will tell the nominating committee to nominate others before nominating his band, I do think that once Foo Fighters get nominated, they'll get voted in on their first ballot appearance but not FYE, if Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead and Rage Against The Machine couldn't get in FYE, then I doubt Foo Fighters can despite their popularity and Dave Grohl being one of the most beloved figures in Rock and all of Music, so I really think that next year will be either Rage Against The Machine or Soundgarden's year for induction as far as 90's bands go following Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nirvana, Green Day, Pearl Jam, Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/13/2020 @ 11:03am


Other than Green Day, Pearl Jam, The Post-80's Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nirvana and Dave Matthews Band, I can't think of anything band that is universal as the Foo Fighters when it comes to the 90's. Wilco, Deftones and maybe Jane's Addiction are on the the Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails level of critical acclaim.

Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Korn, the Offspring, Stone Temple Pilots, Rage Against The Machine, and Tool are kinda in the middle who might be closer to either sides of the spectrum.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 02/13/2020 @ 11:18am


Other than Green Day, Pearl Jam, The Post-80's Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nirvana and Dave Matthews Band, I can't think of any other band that is universal as the Foo Fighters when it comes to the 90's cause they're a Dave Grohl-related band. Wilco, Deftones and maybe Jane's Addiction are on the the Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails level of critical acclaim.

Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Korn, the Offspring, Stone Temple Pilots, Smashing Pumpkins, Rage Against The Machine, and Tool are kinda in the middle who might be closer to either sides of the spectrum.

EDITED

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 02/13/2020 @ 11:20am


I think I'm with Richie on this one. I love the Foo Fighters and I think they'll certainly get in within the next couple years, but I'm not sure they're quite on the level to be an FYE lock the way Nirvana/Pearl Jam/2Pac/Biggie were.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/13/2020 @ 12:58pm


I think Beck, Tori Amos, Sheryl Crow, and some of the other more celebrated critically acts are going to get a long hard look before the bulk of the 90s rock groups are going to be. We can't neglect the hip-hop/pop groups, either. Boyz II Men, Mariah Carey, the boy bands (Backstreet Boys, N'Sync) and IMO the most overlooked, TLC, are going to get in pretty quick, or at least get talk for a nom.

There's also Bush, No Doubt, Garbage, the Cranberries, and a dearth of other rock bands who could garner some attention. Right now, the central focus is on the 80s..

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 02/13/2020 @ 15:28pm


Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Sublime who might be more tougher to induct than other bands from the 90's I've mentioned before on this page cause they had never beloved by critics during their heyday, and they were a short-lived band.

I know they did got back together with a couple of lineup changes under a slightly different name, but that's just Sublime in name only rather than their actual selves imo.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 02/13/2020 @ 16:08pm


Critical acclaim rankings for '90s rock artists from acclaimedmusic.net

6 - Radiohead
21 - NIrvana
34 - Bjork
35 - Blur
38 - PJ Harvey
42 - Beck
57 - Oasis
67 - Wilco
68 - Daft Punk
83 - Massive Attack
94 - Portishead
95 - Pavement
100 - Pearl Jam

Others mentioned:

114 - Smashing Pumpkins
120 - Red Hot Chili Peppers
136 - Green Day
162 - Nine Inch Nails
188 - Foo Fighters
223 - Rage Against the Machine
244 - Soundgarden
272 - Jane's Addiction
371 - TLC (apparently not overlooked... none of the '90s R&B pop groups - even Destiny's Child - seems to come close)
372 - Tori Amos
381 - Garbage
492 - Tool
508 - Alice in Chains
620 - The Offspring (higher than I expected)
662 - Korn
817 - No Doubt
829 - Mariah Carey
842 - Deftones
846 - The Cranberries
945 - Sheryl Crow
1003 - Stone Temple Pilots
1008 - Sublime
1434 - Backstreet Boys
1447 - Dave Matthews Band (one of the reasons they likely had trouble)
1705 - Boyz II Men
1777 - Bush
2981 - NSYNC

You can pretty much add up popularity to this critical acclaim list to predict who's next, and then discount for the US bias. Seems like the next considering all that would be Oasis, Beck, or Smashing Pumpkins if not Foo Fighters. Foo Fighters may actually have a legitimate argument over Soundgarden, even though I think Soundgarden was more innovative and possibly more influential but not sure. With the three directly above Foo Fighters inducted and the last two nominated (the first in its first year) Foo Fighters does seem to have a case for first-ballot nomination. Most of the uninducted acts in the top 100 are way less popular in the US except for Oasis. It really does seem that inductions have more to do with critical acclaim + popularity than innovation or influence, and some critically acclaimed artists aren't as innovative/influential as you'd expect for how much they are hyped (like GNR and Weezer.)

I'm gonna bet it won't happen though because Grohl will tell them to induct somebody else first. Just a guess.

Smashing Pumpkins seem overdue but is obviously getting ignored because Corgan is being a jerk, much like The Smiths are being ignored because Morrissey is being a jerk.

Posted by Sean on Thursday, 02/13/2020 @ 20:50pm


Hey Guys,

Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/13/2020 @ 21:29pm


K-Dawg.
I will Hold off on 2012 Class in my series. You may need more time. Reality can often make us busy. I would be interested to know your thoughts on 2011. There was some controversy with Neil Diamond on here. I walked it back after I realized there are others that could have waited. You may love Neil Diamond or maybe not. I actually hum Song Song Blue sometimes. I praised Dr. John because he was talented for sure. IMO Dr. John was inducted at the wrong time. As was Darlene Love. Ahh but after your review I will present my reviews of the 2012 Class. I considered that a Rebound from 2011. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/14/2020 @ 04:52am


K-Dawg.
I will Hold off on 2012 Class in my series. You may need more time. Reality can often make us busy. I would be interested to know your thoughts on 2011. There was some controversy with Neil Diamond on here. I walked it back after I realized there are others that could have waited. You may love Neil Diamond or maybe not. I actually hum Song Song Blue sometimes. I praised Dr. John because he was talented for sure. IMO Dr. John was inducted at the wrong time. As was Darlene Love. Ahh but after your review I will present my reviews of the 2012 Class. I considered that a Rebound from 2011. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/14/2020 @ 04:52am


If the Nom Com decides to go with Beck or Oasis rather than Foo Fighters, then it's more proof most music critics are hipsters.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/14/2020 @ 09:54am


Hey Guys,

Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/14/2020 @ 11:05am


Kraftwerk really need the same publicist as Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Equally absurdly influential acts that are only recently getting their truly deserved dues, but Kraftwerk just can't get enough recognition.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 02/14/2020 @ 17:14pm


Hey Guys,

AlexVoltaire said on his blog about Rock Hall inductions in the next seven years (2021-2027) and his hope/outcome/best plausible scenario/outcome for the next seven years of Rock Hall inductions is:

In the Year 2021:

Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Dolly Parton

Early Influence

Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence

Carol Kaye and Glen Campbell

In the Year 2022:

Pat Benatar
Cher
Eminem
Eurythmics
OutKast
Warren Zevon

Non-Performer

Bernie Taupin

Musical Excellence

Willie Nelson

In the Year 2023:

The B-52's
Mariah Carey
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
LL Cool J
Weezer

Non-Performer

Jane Scott

Musical Excellence

The Revolution

In the Year 2024:

Coldplay
The Commodores
Destiny's Child
Judas Priest
The Monkees
Oasis

Non-Performer

Bob Geldof

Musical Excellence

Todd Rundgren

In the Year 2025:

Jimmy Buffett
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against The Machine
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners

Non-Performer

Don Cornelius

Musical Excellence

The Wailers

In the Year 2026:

Beck
Foreigner
Queen Latifah
Motley Crue
Smashing Pumpkins
"Weird Al" Yankovic

Influence

Kraftwerk

Musical Excellence

Chaka Khan

In the Year 2027:

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
Phil Collins
Missy Elliott
Gloria Estefan
No Doubt
The White Stripes

Early Influence

Patsy Cline

Non-Performer

Robert Moog

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/14/2020 @ 17:33pm


Monkees are NEVER gonna make it! Move on already...

Posted by Mr. XFL on Friday, 02/14/2020 @ 20:57pm


Hey Guys,

These acts are rumored to have finished in 7th through 10th place in the actual Voting Committee tally this year and they are:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Kraftwerk
Motorhead

These acts are rumored to have finished in 11th and 12th place in the actual Voting Committee tally this year and they are:

Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy

These acts are rumored to have finished in 13th through 15th place in the actual Voting Committee tally this year and they are:

MC5
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Judas Priest

and finishing in dead last at 16th place in the actual Voting Committee tally this year is rumored to be Todd Rundgren.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/14/2020 @ 23:32pm


Time to give MC5 and Rufus a rest already...

Posted by Mr. XFL on Saturday, 02/15/2020 @ 10:20am


Kraftwerk needs to be more out front and forceful nomination time. Honestly, I can't remember any full stories or thoughts about the members any of these nominations. These guys should be angry and talkative and be on every Oprah or Dr. Phil type program. Present their reasons why they should be inducted and play a few songs. You never know what will resonate induction time. Rob Halford from Judas Priest was very outfront and vocal. He expressed the importance of Judas Priest in the RRHOF for the band, heavy metal genre, and the fans. Judas Priest hasn't been inducted yet but that should be remembered by some of the voters. Joe Elliott was sort of Def Leppard's pointman and he presented why they deserve induction as well as a few groups like T. Rex and Mott The Hoople that are deserving. His strong advocacy of T. Rex might have helped their nomination and induction in 2020. It's really not that much different in these projects when Donnie, Jennifer, Nick, etc present a background or reason for their album and song choices. It doesn't work everytime but it does cross your mind during the voting. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 02/15/2020 @ 10:46am


Do you guys think that Mariah Carey and the Eurythmics both getting inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame this year will help them to both get Rock Hall nominations (Mariah's 1st and the Eurythmics's 2nd) next year for 2021?. I really think that it could happen especially since The Cure and Janet Jackson got in last year and Depeche Mode and Whitney Houston got in this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2020 @ 11:42am


Richie,

Do you have a souce for the presumed finishes for the other artists that were nominated?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/15/2020 @ 12:59pm


Hey Guys,

Assuming five or six acts per class, and ten more years, Who do you guys expect the next 50-60 acts inducted into the Rock Hall to be in some order?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/15/2020 @ 15:57pm


Richie,
Here are my thoughts. 57 artists, broken down by lane/category. I used the number of artists from each lane in the 2010s as a template, but adjusted for a little more 80s/90s artists as opposed to earlier.

50s:
Johnny Burnette and the Rock and Roll Trio

Classic Folk/Pop:
The Carpenters
Carole King
Todd Rundgren
Peter, Paul & Mary
Carly Simon
Harry Nilsson

60s/70s Mainstream Rock:
The Monkees
Warren Zevon
Bad Company
Tommy James and The Shondells
The Guess Who
Love

Motown/60s Soul:
The Marvelettes

Prog:
Jethro Tull
Procol Harum
King Crimson

Punk:
The Jam
Husker Du

Hard Rock/Early Metal:
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Motorhead

70s Funk/Disco:
The Commodores
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan

Electronic:
Kraftwerk

70s Alternative Rock:
New York Dolls
Big Star

80s Alternative:
Joy Division/New Order
The Smiths
Devo
The Go-Go's
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Kate Bush

80s Pop Rock:
Pat Benatar
Boston
Foreigner

80s Blues Rock Revival:
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds

Hip Hop:
LL Cool J
Outkast
Jay-Z
Eminem
Kanye West
Missy Elliott

80s/90s Hard Rock/Metal:
Alice In Chains
Motley Crue

90s Alternative:
Soundgarden
Smashing Pumpkins
Rage Against the Machine
Weezer
Oasis
Foo Fighters

Modern Pop:
Mariah Carey
Cyndi Lauper
George Michael

2000s Rock:
The White Stripes
Arcade Fire

Posted by RG on Saturday, 02/15/2020 @ 18:39pm


Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/17/2020 @ 00:31am


I will Now continue my Series. I am up to the 2012 Class. I feel this was a Rather strong Class. I start with Donovan. He represented the 1960s that year. Donovan is a great folk rock at of the 1960s. He is s Scottish folk rock singer,songwriter and guitarist. He had a lot of success in the UK,US and other countries. He was proclaimed Britain's answer to Bob Dylan. He embraced the positive way of flower power. He released from Psychedelic music. Sunshine Superman is one of his great songs. And so is Mellow Yellow. These are 2 Favorites of mine. Also I love the song Season of the Witch. There is a Mountain and Wear Your Love Like Heaven are also terrific. Hurdy Gurdy Man was a big album in 1968. He collaborated with Jeff Beck in 1969. He continued releasing albums throughout the 1970s. I own Donovan's Greatest hits cd. The song above are my favorites. He actually performed after all these years at the 2012 Ceremony. When he performed Season of the Witch with John Mellencamp it was great. Donovan was 66 years Old at the 2012 Ceremony. and yet he performed. He was overdue for years and finally was inducted, Donovan is pretty cool. Will N. and K-Dawg may have some thoughts on Donovan. I will cover another 2012 Inductee later

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/17/2020 @ 05:12am


I will Now continue my Series. I am up to the 2012 Class. I feel this was a Rather strong Class. I start with Donovan. He represented the 1960s that year. Donovan is a great folk rock at of the 1960s. He is s Scottish folk rock singer,songwriter and guitarist. He had a lot of success in the UK,US and other countries. He was proclaimed Britain's answer to Bob Dylan. He embraced the positive way of flower power. He released from Psychedelic music. Sunshine Superman is one of his great songs. And so is Mellow Yellow. These are 2 Favorites of mine. Also I love the song Season of the Witch. There is a Mountain and Wear Your Love Like Heaven are also terrific. Hurdy Gurdy Man was a big album in 1968. He collaborated with Jeff Beck in 1969. He continued releasing albums throughout the 1970s. I own Donovan's Greatest hits cd. The song above are my favorites. He actually performed after all these years at the 2012 Ceremony. When he performed Season of the Witch with John Mellencamp it was great. Donovan was 66 years Old at the 2012 Ceremony. and yet he performed. He was overdue for years and finally was inducted, Donovan is pretty cool. Will N. and K-Dawg may have some thoughts on Donovan. I will cover another 2012 Inductee later

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/17/2020 @ 05:12am


Coming up is Coverage of Guns N'Roses. Guns n'Roses brought a Raw sound back to Hard Rock. They are associated with Hard Rock/Heavy Metal. I remember there was a lot of Dance music and Pop Metal just before they burst on the Scene. I didn't bother with any of the Dance stuff But I did like quite a bit of Pop Metal. It's become known as Hair Metal mostly. This includes Motley Crue, Ratt, Cinderella, Poison . I like songs from those BUT Guns N' Roses had a much more Raw sound that I like quite a bit. Stay tuned

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/17/2020 @ 14:44pm


Remember when there was a rumor that the eligibility date was going to be lowed to 20 years? People immediately thought it was because the Hall wanted to induct Guns N Roses.

Also, since it's Presidents Day, at the time of GNR's induction, Donald Trump expressed on Twitter that Axel should show up to the induction. He (Axel) refused to go because the then-current lineup other than himself and Dizzy Reed weren't getting inducted.

Posted by Follower on Monday, 02/17/2020 @ 16:16pm


Wasn't the eligibility date originally 15 years before the Hall increased it to 25? I've heard the early years had rules that were more different before some of the acts from the 70's became eligible.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/17/2020 @ 16:59pm


Hey Dude,

I haven't chatted directly with you in awhile. That's just not True. Wayy back in 1988 the RnR Hall first grabbed my attention because the Beatles were inducted after Exactly 25 years. 1962-1987. They were inducted in early 1988. I did NOT watch it BUT it's the Earliest one I was aware of the Inductees. Now before that it was 50s acts inducted. In 1986 and 87. When I became aware the Beatles. Were inducted I learned it started in 1986. There was NO google. I read it in Magazines. What I read Years back In the late 80s and Years since is the first Ceremony was In 1986. Major acts who started 1955-1960 were inducted. Elvis, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis. People like that. So the 25 Year system was always in effect. The Beatles were in fact eligible in Late 1987. They were inducted along with Beach Boys And Bob Dylan in early 1988. The following year Rolling Stones and Temptations were inducted in 1989. And so on and so on. This precedes my series. I started it a few months ago with 1994. Acts like Rod Stewart' are what I covered.
NOW it is true that after GnR was inducted there was Rumor of. Changing Eligibility. Date To 20 years. I NOTICE it never happened. It must. Have been considered a Bad idea

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/17/2020 @ 19:54pm


Thanks for the answer, Ben. I remember having a good talk about the Hall's rules with one of my friends and he told me it was originally 15 years of eligibility, which I didn't believe that at all cause that's not really enough time to observe an act on how much he, she or they meet the criteria from anybody's point of view.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/17/2020 @ 21:31pm


I know it's really early, but who do you guys see being the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/17/2020 @ 22:05pm


Hey Dude,

I was glad to be of Help. Hey it seemed like you should get a Good answer. I first followed the Hall in 1988. I was 23 years Old at that time. It caught my attention that the Beatles were being inducted at that time. There was publicity. That the 1960s had reached the Hall. There was publicity that an act is eligible after 25 years. I forgot how old you are. I am figuring you were a bit too Young to follow the Hall. It comes in handy for me to answer. I witnessed the Hall at that time. You can tell your friend. I'm sure he meant well he just didn't know. You are Right

Posted by Ben on Monday, 02/17/2020 @ 22:14pm


I actually first heard about the Hall when I was twelve in 02, but I've been following it since 2012 when Guns N' Roses, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and the Beastie Boys were inducted.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/18/2020 @ 07:53am


Ok. Here is full coverage of Guns n'Roses. Guns N' Roses were One of the biggest bands in the world during the late 80s. At a time when music was dominated by dance music and pop Metal, Guns N' Roses brought Raw, good and ugly rock n' Roll back on the scene. While Slash and Izzy Stradlin roared out their Guitar riffs, Axl Rose screeched out his tales of Sex, drugs and Rock n'Roll. There was also Duff McKagen and Steven Adler to make lineup full. As the 80s became the 90s they were one of the biggest and most interesting bands around.
In 1987 the band released its debut album , Appetite for Destruction. I remember the album started selling in 1988, when Sweet Child O'Mine. Soon both album and single shot to number one. Welcome to the Jungle was a hit right after this.
GnR released Lies. It has Patience and a couple other studio songs that were added to a Live EP. GnR started recording Their next Full Studio album in the End of 1990. After being delayed almost a year There was 2 albums Released with Use Your Illusion l and II in Sept 1991. These albums featured more daring stuff. While these albums seemed destined to set the pace for the Decade to come that was NOT happening .
Nirvana exploded in early 1992 making GnR with their Videos And Models suddenly Uncool. Axl Rose became a tyrant and In 1993 they released an album of punk covers, Spaghetti Incident. GnR had a lot of personnel Changes and fizzled out. I like Appetite album the best and some of the Lies album. Please give Thoughts EVERYBODY

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/18/2020 @ 08:22am


I love the first three GNR albums and even a couple of tracks from Lies, but they're one of those bands who went downhill way too soon with the messy lineup changes. Although I'm glad Slash and Duff rejoined; but if they could get Izzy back, that would enough for me to consider as a revival.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/18/2020 @ 09:15am


Hey Dude,

Look at that, similar pattern in later Time frame. I first heard of the Hall in 1988 and you first heard of the Hall in 2002. And while I said I first heard of the Hall in 1988 when the Beatles were Inducted I've been following it since 1994 when The Band, Gr Dead ,Elton John and John Lennon were inducted. And Heyy I'm up to 2012 Class when you started following it. I'm sure you and others will catch up on Comments of Donovan and Guns n'Roses

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/18/2020 @ 09:43am


Hey Dude,

You said you like the first 3 GnR albums. I guess you mean first 4. The Use Your Illusions were 1 and 2. You may have put those together. And you may own them as a Set. In 1991 USE Your Illusion l and ll were released as Separate albums. I was working In a Music shop on their Release Day. There was a Line to buy them . GnR were Great.

Nirvana got big a few years later. They were Never my thing or Trend. As opposed to Alternative Rock GnR Made waves In late 80s with their Hard Rock. Ohhh NO worries with Nirvana. I will cover them. Fine. Nirvana were important . BUT I will focus on GnR. GnR Made their own Explosion. They were into alll the Excesses and fun of Hard Rock with Videos and Models.

The problem with GnR for me is NOT the Music at all. It's the way the went Downhill way too soon with Messy lineup. Changes,Axl's Tyrant way and the Alternative scene that made them look Un Hip and UnCool . And so GnR Went Downhill

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/18/2020 @ 10:36am


GNR Lies is actually an EP, so it's kinda a different form of release. But I do get why some might see it as the same, depending on time length.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/18/2020 @ 10:52am


Hey Dude,

Good call about Lies as an EP. I forgot about that. Ahh soo you like the first three GnR albums. Appetite for D, Use Your Illusion l and ll. That's cool. I actually never owned Illusion I and ll. I like the main hits from those. I currently own GNR Greatest Hits. Don't forget about Donovan. You are a very Astute Dude. You may know him a little too. Still to come is Beastie Boys and Laura Nyro. And of course Red Hot C P.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/18/2020 @ 13:03pm


I think Donovan's biggest hit "Hurdy Gurdy Man" is the song from the 60's that aged well the most. I could easily hear the influence of it acoustically on some songs from the 90's like "Sex and Candy" and " Touch, Peel and Stand."

Not sure if Kurt Cobain ever cited him as one of his influences from some of the interviews I read and watched online, but I do think Donovan was one of the building blocks of him musically.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/18/2020 @ 13:34pm


So, of the Illinois music Hall of fame inductees, 4 are in the Rock Hall and 3 aren't. None of those other 3 will get in the Rock Hal anytime soon. Especially since one of them is on Joe's (and many watchers that post here's) Sinister Six.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/18/2020 @ 19:29pm


Hey Dude,

I want to commend you on your last post. But I Just want to correct you slightly with Donovan's biggest Hit. his biggest hit was Sunshine Superman. I don NOT go back to the beginning of Donovan either, I was 1 year old in 1966 when it was a hit. But first got aware of Donovan in the late 70s. I've known since then that Sunshine Superman was his biggest. It went to #1 in Summer 1966. Hurdy Gurdy Man was a Top 10 hit in 1968. So No worries,You are close enough. It's terrific that you know Donovan. I commend ya on hearing Hurdy Gurdy Man's influence on 90s songs like Sex and Candy and Touch,Peel and Stand. I know those 2 songs. Touch,Peel and Stand is by the band Days of the New. Right? I am Not a huge 90s Rock guy.

I don't think Kurt Cobain ever cited Donovan as one of his influences.But Donovan can be one of the Building blocks of him musically.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/19/2020 @ 06:09am


I do remember hearing "Sunshine Superman" many times before, but I didn't know that was Donovan's biggest hit. Thanks for correcting me!

As for the song "Touch, Stand and Peel," that was done by Days of the New who are in my opinion one of the most underrated bands from the 90's.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/19/2020 @ 08:18am


Since Pharrell Williams is one of the newest board directors, I could see him putting out a lot of pet projects yearly. Genre wise, he'll mainly focus on pop, R&B, rap/hip hop, and EDM. But I could see him support some rock and alternative acts he is friends with, including Soundgarden, Rage Against the Machine, and Linkin Park (who will be eligible in the next five years from now).

While I'm not big on Pharrell's music, but I could tell he has a lot of potential and I still wanna know if he has any other connections to his peers. If Kraftwerk gets inducted at some point, then he needs to put out Daft Punk for a spin.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/19/2020 @ 09:34am


Hey Dude,

Yeah. I'm Not an original Hippie Rock Guy either. I missed by about 12 years. I am 55. So that's too Young to be a First hand 60s Expert. BUT I did Catch up on Donovan, the Doors, Cream, Jefferson Airplane and many other. 60s Greats in the Late 70s. That's NOT a mistype. I was a Young teenager in the late 1970s catching up.

So I've had extra time with Donovan info. 40 years is pretty far back. In fact I heard Sunshine Superman on AM radio when I was just a kid MORE than 40 years ago. Started with AM radio around 6 or 7 years old. AM radio for Music still existed in the 70s with 60s still played. And that's how I know. Plus I read Old Billboard charts for years. Rock 1965-1979 is a strong era for me.

Having. Said that I do know the song Touch,Stand and Peel. I recalled it was done by Days of the New. They are an underrated band of the 90s. They are part Acoustic and Part Electric I recall.

Also, a bit more on Guns n'Roses. The Hall got that one right . You would think so. GnR are such an obvious Rock band. It is a shame that Axl sent an Angry letter to the Hall at that time. I remember they fizzled out around 1994 and finally released Chinese Democracy in 2008 . It's a shame Axl couldn't get along with the rest of Original band in 2012. Billy Joe Armstrong of Green Day sang with GnR. He did a good job all considered. I'm NOT a.big Green Day fan. Just wanted to Throw in.more on GnR

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/19/2020 @ 11:05am


Ben,

Billie Joe Armstrong gave the induction speech for Guns N Roses, but it was Myles Kennedy from the band Alter Bridge (he also sings on Slash's solo tours) who sang with the band for their performance. I was at that ceremony, and while everyone was disappointed that Axl refused to show, I remember being very impressed with Myles. He was a very worth stand-in.

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 02/19/2020 @ 14:34pm


Sorry, I will have some major thought about GnR and a gloss of Donovan, but for a minute to the 2011 class.

Alice Cooper never seemed to me to be in that upper echelon of rock stars that you would think of when it comes to Hall of Fame credentials. He is legendary in shock value, much as Ozzy and KISS, but he kind of marched to the beat of his own drum. He is, at heart, a very cerebral artist steeped in glam. His induction may have some day been a reality, but in 2011, he was definitely leapfrogged over so many other deserving artists.

Neil Diamond is more of a worthy candidate that year, and he really probably is the most deserving candidate of this weak class. He combined classic big show theatrics and a good catchy old time beat, but definitely could rock the house.

Darlene Love is the dark horse in this group. For a hall that is severely underrepresented by female talent, she probably has the easiest case to make in terms of originality and influence for a genre.

Honestly, I don't know enough about Dr. John to offer much of an opinion. And Tom Waits was really not what I feel a worthy choice, although it's subjective, like everything. 2011 was a super weak year in terms of classes, and could have been a harbinger for the collapse of the Hall if it hadn't somewhat righted the ship in the following years. They were stuttering on the precipice between the 70s and 80s and the ultimate debate of Prince/Madonna vs the rock purists who seem to forget their beloved headbanging was created at its roots by the likes of Chuck Berry, Elvis and Aretha Franklin, and it is the Rock AND ROLL Hall of Fame. It's been a crazy split since then, as some wish to jump over the pop and hip-hop and move straight to the 90s, where there was more innovation and popularity in the new types of rock, while others tried to embrace all the unique sounds that developed in the 80s. Without this important decade, we don't get pop teen queens and boy bands, the evolution of hip hop, rap and R&B as a premier genre, and the new wave that united rock more fully into the popular scene and created the ability to evolve the traditional rock sound to industrial rock, internet rock, alternative, nu metal, pop punk, and countless other styles.

My take on the class of 2011, which turned out to be much more than I anticipated, so I'll deal with 2012 a little later

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 02/19/2020 @ 14:36pm


Hey Guys,

AlexVoltaire said on his blog northumbriancountdown.wordpress.com that his predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next seven years (2021-2027) are:

In the Year 2021:

Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Dolly Parton

Early Influence

Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence

Carol Kaye and Glen Campbell

In the Year 2022:

Pat Benatar
Cher
Eminem
Eurythmics
OutKast
Warren Zevon

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Bernie Taupin

Musical Excellence

Willie Nelson

In the Year 2023:

The B-52's
Mariah Carey
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
LL Cool J
Weezer

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Jane Scott

Musical Excellence

The Revolution

In the Year 2024:

Coldplay
The Commodores
Destiny's Child
Judas Priest
The Monkees
Oasis

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Bob Geldof

Musical Excellence

Todd Rundgren

In the Year 2025:

Jimmy Buffett
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against The Machine
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Don Cornelius

Musical Excellence

The Wailers

In the Year 2026:

Beck
Foreigner
Queen Latifah
Motley Crue
Smashing Pumpkins
"Weird Al" Yankovic

Influence

Kraftwerk

Musical Excellence

Chaka Khan

In the Year 2027:

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
Phil Collins
Missy Elliott
Gloria Estefan
No Doubt
The White Stripes

Early Influence

Patsy Cline

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Robert Moog

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/19/2020 @ 23:35pm


Ben,

I will weigh in on your last few entries, and although I know very little about Donovan, he was definitely a huge part of the revolutionary music of the period. I was very young at the time, maybe 7 or 8, and I remember Mellow Yellow getting quite a bit of airplay on AM radio, and it got to #2 on the Billboard chart. It was very significant because it represented commercially psychedelic type hits in the emerging age of Flower Power in the mid to late 60's. This era of music is debatably the strongest in positive change for Rock and Roll History with such a great diversity in the direction of creative and experimental sounds and recordings. The influence on music yet to come is immense, and Donovan happened to be a part of that, and it shows across the board with hundreds of bands and artists. With the 60's being so tumultuous and raucous, with leaders fighting for freedom being murdered, in John, Martin and Bobby, with Vietnam, and all the insanity being countered with love and flower power, and also many radical protests, which was all reflected and fused into the music. There has never been and will never be another time period such as this, and musically it culminated in great come together concerts like Monterrey Pop, Atlanta Pop Festival, Woodstock, and unfortunately Altamonte.. For Donovan, later on, Season Of the Witch seemed to get a lot of play on the Classic Rock stations, so I am more familiar with that song the most. I do not hear it any more on the radio, but it is a pretty cool Rock jam..

Guns and Roses was also a band who shifted the direction of music as we knew it. Not your traditional Rock, or Hair Metal, or Glam Metal band that we were bombarded with in the 80's. To me, they were like a throwback to a previous classic rock period, but with new and exciting creativity, more than likely due to the influences on Slash, Duff and the other guys. I never jumped on the Gn'R bandwagon, even though they are fantastic, but I feel the first album got overplayed, and I was more into Alternative and Jazz Fusion at the time. I will have to acknowledge some of the songs that I really like, which are "Civil War", "You Could Be Mine", and "Patience". Something about Axl's nasally, whiny type vocals I don't enjoy, but I would have to say strongly, that musically, the band is top notch, which propels them into the upper echelon of Rock bands. Slash and the band, and all of the great material, and songs they have created and recorded, are why they are in the HOF. Of course I will give credit to Axl for all of his great contributions and songwriting, I am just not a fan of a lot of his vocals, but overall, they have a ton of great tunes, but the Hits, I believe, have fallen victim to an overly excessive amount of corporate airplay..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 02/19/2020 @ 23:55pm


And Now I cover the Beastie Boys. The Beastie Boys are deserved for the RnR Hall of Fame. In fact they were inducted at exactly the the right time. They were the first white rap group. They were accused of being cultural copycats. A lot of people don't know they began as a Punk band. That's right.
But the Beasties weren't copycats. They treated Rap as an underground thing. This is one of my few claims to Rap. It is Not because they are White. They were somewhat interesting. I will be covering Public Enemy somewhat at a later date. I first heard of Beastie Boys with She's On It in 1985. They released License to Ill in 1986. It was a mixture of Street Beats and and Metal riffs. I like She;s Crafty and Fight for Your Right to Party, both big hits.
During 1988, the Beasties became involved in a bitter lawsuit with Def Jam and Rick Rubin, who claimed he was responsible for their success and threatened to release outtakes as their second album. The Beasties finally broke off by the end of the year and moved to California, where they signed with Capitol Records. While in California, they met the production team the Dust Brothers, and they released Paul's Boutique. Densely layered with interweaving samples and pop culture references, the retro-funk-psychedelia of Paul's Boutique was entirely different than Licensed to Ill, and many observers weren't quite sure what to make of it. Several publications gave it rave reviews, but when it failed to produce a single bigger than the number 36 "Hey Ladies," it was quickly forgotten about,
In 1994 they released Ill Communication. The single Sabotage became a big hit. In 1994 they were at the Lollapalooza with Smashing Pumpkins. They were key in 1980s and 90s. I am Not a big Rap fan at all but some I can understand being inducted. You guys can Hop on the Beastie Boys. I am sure some of you know way more about them. Heyy this coverage is Not bad for somebody who is a huge Clapton, Grateful Dead and Steely Dan fan.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/20/2020 @ 07:07am


Hey Guys,

Here's how I see 80's New Wave/Alternative inductions go for the next ten years (2021-2030) and they are:

2021: Eurythmics
2022: The B-52's
2023: Duran Duran
2024: The Go-Go's
2025: Devo
2026: The Smiths
2027: Joy Division/New Order
2028: Sonic Youth
2029: Pixies
2030: The Replacements

Here's how I see 90's Alternative inductions go for the next ten years (2021-2030) and they are:

2021: Rage Against The Machine/Soundgarden
2022: Soundgarden/Rage Against The Machine
2023: Foo Fighters (I know that you guys will disagree with me, but I just don't see them as an FYE nominee/inductee next year)
2024: Beck
2025: Smashing Pumpkins
2026: Alice In Chains
2027: Jane's Addiction
2028: Weezer
2029: Oasis
2030: Stone Temple Pilots

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/20/2020 @ 10:54am


Here's what I'm expecting the New Wave/80's Alternative train to look like now.

If by popularity

2021: Duran Duran
2022: INXS
2023: B-52's
2024: Eurythmics
2025: Tears For Fears
2026: Devo
2027: The Smiths
2028: Joy Division/New Order
2029: The Replacements
2030: Sonic Youth

If by critical acclaim

2021: Either Joy Division/New Order or the Smiths
2022: Either The Smiths or Joy Division/New Order
2023: Sonic Youth
2024: The Replacements
2025: Eurythmics
2026: The B-52's
2027: Duran Duran
2028: Devo
2029: Tears For Fears
2030: INXS

As for the Go-Go's, they do have a connection to Irving Azoff, which I could see them to be part of that train separately along with Boston, Warren Zevon, and maybe No Doubt and Peter Frampton.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 02/20/2020 @ 12:40pm


I think the line for 80s Alt/90s Alt/Hip Hop looks something like this:

80s Alternative:
2021 - The B-52's
2022 - Joy Divison/New Order
2023 - Devo
2024 - The Go-Go's
2025 - The Smiths
2026 - Duran Duran AND Kate Bush
2027 - Pixies
2028 - Eurythmics
2029 - Sonic Youth
2030 - INXS and/or The Replacements

90s Alternative:
2021 - Soundgarden
2022 - Rage Against the Machine
2023 - Blink-182
2024 - Foo Fighters
2025 - Oasis
2026 - Smashing Pumpkins
2027 - Beck
2028 - Fiona Apple
2029 - Weezer
2030 - Alice In Chains

Hip Hop:
2021 - Jay Z
2022 - Eminem
2023 - Outkast
2024 - LL Cool J
2026 - Missy Elliott
2027 - A Tribe Called Quest
2029 - Kanye West
2030 - Wu-Tang Clan

Posted by RG on Thursday, 02/20/2020 @ 13:48pm


RG,

I know that you just did 80's Alternative, 90's Alternative and Hip-Hop as far as inductions go for the next ten years (2021-2030), but regarding other genres/categories of music such as 50's, Classic Folk/Pop, 60's/70's Mainstream Rock, Motown/60's Soul, Prog, Punk, Hard Rock/Early Metal, 70's Funk/Disco, Electronic, 70's Alternative Rock, 80's Pop/Rock, 80's Blues Rock Revival, 80's/90's Hard Rock/Metal, Modern Pop and 2000's Rock, How do you see inductions for all of these genres of music that I just mentioned go for the next ten years (2021-2030)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/20/2020 @ 14:34pm


@ Richie and RG

Would love to see your predictions on who will be the next FYE's a decade from now. Here's mine so far....

2021: Jay-Z and Foo Fighters
2022: Emimem
2023: Coldplay
2024: Don't think there will be one on that year
2025: The White Stripes
2026 Linkin Park (They have solid a connection to the Nom Com & the Foundation)
2027: Alicia Keys
2028: Beyonce and Maroon 5
2029: Kanye West and Amy Winehouse
2030: The Killers

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 02/20/2020 @ 15:23pm


@ Richie and RG

Would love to see your predictions on who will be the next FYE's a decade from now. Here's mine so far....

2021: Jay-Z and Foo Fighters
2022: Eminem
2023: Coldplay
2024: Don't think there will be one on that year
2025: The White Stripes
2026 Linkin Park (They have a solid connection to the Nom Com & the Foundation)
2027: Alicia Keys
2028: Beyonce and Maroon 5
2029: Kanye West and Amy Winehouse
2030: The Killers

EDITED

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 02/20/2020 @ 15:32pm


No way Moroon 5 (an even bigger musical travesty than DMB) and The Killers get in their first year, and Linkin Park may have to wait a few years re. the Hall's attitude toward hard rock...

Posted by EDS on Thursday, 02/20/2020 @ 18:37pm


https://m.citizensvoice.com/news/rocking-for-40-years-rock-107-radio-stations-marks-milestone-anniversary-1.2597194

Rocking for 40 years, Rock 107 radio stations marks milestone anniversary

"According to a 2019 Nielsen report, 92% of people 18 and older listen to the radio weekly."

More proof terrestrial radio is alive and well!!

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 02/20/2020 @ 20:31pm


Agree that there is no way Maroon 5 get in FYE. I would be flabbergasted. The Killers have a much better shot (IMO) of being one, but even then I would be freaking surprised if they went FYE. They will get in one day, though. Linkin Park probably has the best FYE case among the 2 (don't even count Maroon 5), but still would be surprised a bit if they went FYE. Definitely will get in at some pint, though.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02/21/2020 @ 07:05am


Can somebody please tell me what FYE stands for. It's been bugging me for weeks. Is it For Your Entertainment. It was said just now that There is. No way Maroon 5 get in FYE. Please somebody tell me. I'm bad with some Abbrevs

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/21/2020 @ 07:39am


I think it's First Year Eligible, Ben. As in first year eligible to be nominated.

Posted by remy10 on Friday, 02/21/2020 @ 07:44am


remy10,

Thank you soo much. And Thank God I now know. I could Not figure that out. I'm a busy guy who is very bad at Abbreviations. Ahhh it's First Year Eligible. I will use the full term first. Ok, I certainly Agree there is No way Maroon 5 get in their First Year Eligible or Even nominated. I do Not know their music too well. I do know Blink 182. I think there is NO way they get in First Year Eligible either. I know 60s,70s and 80s the best But I know a lot of 90s bands too. I know Blink 182. But Blink 182 are Not really worthy of getting in First Year Eligible. I am practicing using this term, First Year Eligible. Stay tuned for of my series

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/21/2020 @ 10:50am


I Now continue the Series. It's time for Laura Nyro. Laura Nyro was a fine songwriter. Laura Nyro was inducted in 2012.She was a good mellow choice. During the singer/songwriter movement in the late 60s and early 70s.,Laura Nyro was one of the most celebrated songwriters. of her day,writing soulful nice songs that took the folky side of her friends and combined it with elements of soul and gospel. Nyro was well respected for her piano work. That made albums like 1968's Eli and the Thirteenth Confessions. However, Nyro's style was considered too strange for Top 40.and her songs were better known by others. I like the Blood,Sweat & Tears hit And When I die. . It was
In 1971, Nyro released Gonna Take a Miracle, in which she covered a handful of soul and R&B tunes she loved in her teenage years, with the R&B group Labelle helping her re-create the girl group harmonies of the originals. Later in the year, Nyro married and announced her retirement as she found herself not wanting her growing fame and embraced small town life. By 1976, Nyro had divorced, and she returned to the recording studio to cut the album Smile, which reflected a more relaxed, jazzy sound. While most of Nyro's live performances had found her accompanied only by her own piano, she assembled a band to tour in support of Smile. This was the career of this gal, Laura Nyro, She had a cult following. I think of her as a Female Tom Waits, but with a much better Voice. I did skip Tom Waits for 2011. I didn't mention any criticism to avoid insulting anyone. But somebody here did that. Tom Waits also made 2011 weak. In fact Neil Diamond is much more deserved than Tom Waits.

Now, the Red hot Chili Peppers were also inducted in 2012. They were the Headliner. They closed the Ceremony. They are deserving of the Hall. Not sure 2012 was the Right year, But they are a good band. Few Rock bands of the 80s were as original as Red Hot Chili P's, Creating an interesting new musical style by combining funk and punk rock together, I think they formed in 1983. They started releasing album in 1984. They are really a major band of the 90s Not the 80s. A lot of huge 80s bands were skipped over to induct the Red Hot Chili P's. They actually moved in with Rick Rubin to work on their most successful album,Blood Sugar Sex Magik. They beat out Heart, Joan Jett & the Blackhearts and Donna Summer. Those 3 were also nominated. Any of those could have been Inducted. Donna Summer was barely alive. due to cancer but she could have been inducted just before her death. Also Other acts that could have had a chance in 2012 were Chicago,Deep Purple, Journey, Bon Jovi, The Cars and Duran Duran. People noticed a lot of 80s was skipped over for Red Hot Chili P's. Ok guys. Lots of response. GO.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 02/21/2020 @ 11:30am


Thoughts on future FYEs:

2021: Jay-Z

Undeniable, and also still extremely present and relevant in 2021. Will deliver huge ratings for the broadcast. Plus John Sykes' statements on diversifying the Hall make me think they will push for his induction. Chances for this especially go up if he is involved in the Biggie induction. Foo Fighters I am 50/50 on but I think Grohl will probably be pushing for more of his influences to get in before he does, and Foo Fighters are not the undeniable titans that Nirvana were. I see very few other artists from this year getting in at all.

2022: Eminem

Similar reasons as Jay-Z. Massively successful and acclaimed, and also has the kind of staying power where he has a top ten hit right now in 2020. Other artists from the year that I see getting in eventually are Fiona Apple within a decade, and Modest Mouse after a while.

2023: n/a

No FYEs this year. Missy Elliott gets in within five years. This is a really weak year, I'm not sure I see any other artists from this year getting in.

2024: n/a

Also no FYEs. Coldplay comes closest, and they're popular but I don't think they're cool enough or inspire enough strong feelings to really warrant a first year induction. Lauryn Hill will certainly get in eventually, Queens of the Stone Age later on. Britney Spears, Destiny's Child, and System of a Down may get in, but they'll have to wait a while.

2025: The White Stripes

This is the one I'm very confident about. One of the last huge straightforward rock bands, very acclaimed, great legacy. Jack White is extremely well-connected in the music industry and collaborates with everyone. Still got five years, but I'm confident about this.

2026: n/a

Nobody this year. Linkin Park has the best shot, as they were huge and their legacy is somehow only improving, contrary to most of their genre. Sufjan Stevens also has a shot at induction, but it might take a while. Pink could happen.

2027: n/a

Nobody this year. The Strokes and Alicia Keys will certainly get in. The National has a shot. I doubt it will ever happen, but I would be thrilled with a Gorillaz induction.

2028: Rihanna

I'm just throwing this prediction out there, but I think it's a little too soon to say for Rihanna. She's been one of the biggest stars in the world for almost 15 years, and has a very "rock star" kind of energy despite making R&B pop music. She has staying power and has already begun to cement a legacy. Give it a few years and I think this will look more and more likely. Other artists that I think will make it eventually: LCD Soundsystem, The Black Keys, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, and My Chemical Romance. Fall Out Boy could be on here too. The Dude, you brought up Maroon 5 but I don't see it. Sure, they have hits but they are generally critically reviled. They'll be one of those bands in 30 years like how we have Foreigner/Boston/J Geils and other very popular but cheesy and often hated late 70s bands still not in.

2029: Kanye West, Beyonce

This is an extremely difficult year. Kanye West, Beyonce, Arcade Fire, and Amy Winehouse are all huge contenders to get in, and I could see any or ALL of those four getting in immediately. For other artists, I would say John Legend and Pharrell Williams are decent bets, especially with Pharrell now being on the Board of the Hall. Animal Collective, The Postal Service, and TV on the Radio I would lean towards not making it.

2030: n/a

No FYEs. The Killers will get in within a few years. Franz Ferdinand was big, but really did not have much staying power and probably won't be remembered in 2030 besides Take Me Out. Gwen Stefani will get in as part of No Doubt, but not solo.

2031-2040:

Way too early to say for anyone after 2030, but I'm just gonna throw out some names of artists that I think are well on their way to induction.

Arctic Monkeys
Ed Sheeran
Janelle Monae
St. Vincent
Taylor Swift
Adele
Bon Iver
Vampire Weekend
Lady Gaga
Lana Del Rey
Kendrick Lamar
Frank Ocean
Lorde
Lizzo
Sam Smith

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/21/2020 @ 15:09pm


RG,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next ten years (2021-2030)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/21/2020 @ 15:22pm


Richie,

Just tried my hand at making a full list for the decade:

2021
The Guess Who
Boston
Pat Benatar
The B-52s
Soundgarden
Jay-Z

2022
Dolly Parton
Warren Zevon
Judas Priest
Joy Division/New Order
Rage Against the Machine
Eminem

2023
Carly Simon
Commodores
Devo
Cyndi Lauper
Blink-182
Outkast

2024
Tommy James and the Shondells
Todd Rundgren
New York Dolls
The Go-Gos
LL Cool J
Foo Fighters

2025
Nick Drake
Jethro Tull
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
The Smiths
Oasis
The White Stripes

2026
Bad Company
Kraftwerk
Duran Duran
Kate Bush
Smashing Pumpkins
Missy Elliott

2027
Carole King
Dionne Warwick
Iron Maiden
Pixies
A Tribe Called Quest
Beck

2028
Harry Nilsson
Husker Du
Eurythmics
Fiona Apple
The Strokes
Rihanna

2029
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
Sonic Youth
Weezer
Kanye West
Beyonce
Amy Winehouse

2030
The Replacements
Alice in Chains
Wu-Tang Clan
Dave Matthews Band
Lauryn Hill
Arcade Fire

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/21/2020 @ 16:01pm


The Dude,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next ten years (2021-2030)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/21/2020 @ 21:55pm


Currently, It might take some for me to see what the next classes would look like a decade from now. When theirs a streak of a certain form or music or/and from a certain era, it would sometimes flip into an act who is inducted either by popularity or critical acclaim. I'm actually expecting Duran Duran to make it next year, but it's possible the Nom Com and the voting body might go with the Smiths or Joy Division/New Order first.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 02/22/2020 @ 10:03am


Currently, It might take some time for me to see what the next classes would look like a decade from now. When theirs a streak of a certain form or music or/and from a certain era, it would sometimes flip into an act who is inducted either by popularity or critical acclaim. I'm actually expecting Duran Duran to make it next year, but it's possible the Nom Com and the voting body might go with the Smiths or Joy Division/New Order first.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 02/22/2020 @ 10:04am


Heyy Everybody,

Are there any Comments for the latest installment of my Series. It Will go up through 2016. That's my Plan. Later than that are so Recent so they've been referred to a lot this year. I'm just keeping series Alive

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/22/2020 @ 11:07am


Just in case AlexVoltaire is happens to be reading this, I'd like to correct him on something he said in his Not In The Hall of Fame interview.

In it, he said Mariah Carey wrote more #1 songs than anyone not named John Lennon or Paul McCartney. That is incorrect, the person he is looking for is Max Martin. He wrote about 22 #1 hits compared to Mariah's 19.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 02/22/2020 @ 14:58pm


Ben,

When you get to 2013, I will be very interested in commenting.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/22/2020 @ 17:56pm


The Dude,

Why not both. Nothing excludes the possibility of both a New Order/Joy Division nomination, in addition to Duran Duran. Please remember that Duran Duran's expressway to the Rock Hall is already built.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 02/22/2020 @ 19:46pm


I know it's really early, but who do you guys see being the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/22/2020 @ 22:38pm


@ Enig

Seeing both Duran Duran and Joy Division/New Order on the same class would be interesting to see. But there is only room for one new wave/80's alternative act yearly. Sure we had three prog bands in 2017 with Yes, ELO, and Journey (early), but that because they have more song staples and exposure on terrestrial radio.

Duran Duran actually had a lot songs that made it to the Top 40 Billboard Hot 100. But from my experience, they don't seem to get much love on local radio compared to the Cars. Same thing I've noticed with Depeche Mode, the Cure, INXS, and the B-52's.

Joy Division/New Order probably has one staple with "Blue Monday."

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 02/22/2020 @ 23:11pm


I think Duran Duran is a slam dunk in 2021. They deserve to be in, especially since the group they are intertwined with, Depeche Mode, got in this year. The RRHOF has already proven that while they are not afraid to put in one of their critical darlings, they are trying hard to get groups who dominated the pop charts in decades, and Duran Duran fits that bill admirably from 1983-86. Joy Division/New Order, while obviously should belong, might have a bit of a snag as they decide whether to put them as one group or two separate groups, and the latter would cause them to lose steam as one or the other.

Speaking of Enig's tastes, I'm curious to see if they will nom Jethro Tull next year. They are long overdue. With the late 60s fading fast on the ballots, their time needs to come sooner than later.

I will have some thoughts of the Class of 2012 in the morning. Trying to play catchup to Ben's good series

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 00:34am


K-Dawg,

No worries with Series. I take Intermissions for people to catch up. I think 2012 was a strong class. It was much better than 2011. The ones I skip are ones I don't consider good enough or were just Not necessary. I just finished 2012. My policy with this has been to wait several days for next class. So this way you got room to catch up with

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 04:44am


I am Done with 2012 Class. There were 6 Inducteees for this Class. I covered 5. Those are the Worthy ones. I only skipped one. If you look it Up you can see which one. That one was Not necessary. I did Not skip anyone else. About the Red Hit Chili Ps. I own a Gr Hits and some other tracks from Blood, Sugar S M. I like them.
My criticism is Only that Many huge 80s acts suffered for them to be inducted first . Red Hot C P's were inducted ahead of Heart, Joan Jett and the BBS,Stevie Ray Vaughn, Journey, Bon Jovi , The Cars, Def Leppard, Whitney Houston and Pat Benatar among many others. That's right Whitney Houston should have been inducted before Red Hot Chili Ps.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 07:11am


The Current Top 8 in the Fan Vote Kiosk at the Rock Hall for the Class of 2021 are:

8. Styx
7. Weezer
6. Iron Maiden
5. Blink-182
4. Dave Matthews Band
3. Foo Fighters
2. Pat Benatar
1. Motley Crue

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 13:42pm


Motley Crue are literally banned from the Hall. I guess winning two years in a row may get the hall to change their minds. We could even have another metal band!

Bitter fans are voting for Pat and DMB, and they have every right to be bitter.

Iron Maiden, Blink-182, and Styx are the usual trio. They've been up high since the beginning but aren't going to be nominated.

The other two are really popular current bands.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 16:38pm


Out of the nominees who didn't get in this year, who do you guys think have the best chances at induction next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 16:42pm


Looking at the top acts on the kiosk, Pat Benatar and Foo Fighters have the best chances of getting nominated. Mötley Crue is number one again cause they'll be on a massive tour with Def Leppard, Poison and Joan Jett - and many of the shows are already sold out with more than 100 million dollars in box office.

If - and I mean a big if - do get nominated, it'll be because of that other than their movie, and the Hall needs to publicly apologies to the fans for being assholes to them by rigging the kiosk and never do it again.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 16:56pm


Looking at the top acts on the kiosk, Pat Benatar and Foo Fighters have the best chances of getting nominated. Mötley Crue is number one again cause they'll be on a massive tour with Def Leppard, Poison and Joan Jett - and many of the shows are already sold out with more than 100 million dollars in box office.

If - and I mean a big if - do get nominated, it'll be because of that other than their movie, and the Hall needs to publicly apologize to the fans for being assholes to them by rigging the kiosk and never do it again.

EDITED

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 17:07pm


No they don't!
#thekioskisacrock
#vinceneilisafatwiss

Posted by KXB on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 17:29pm


If KXB the whiny pussy who is born without a penis have a problem with Mötley possibly getting nominated and inducted, then he might as go well blow his head off with a pistol. Oh, and Vince Neil is f*cking his mom nice and hard in the ass.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 17:42pm


Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 17:43pm


I love pissing KXB off for the laughs. Oh, Tommy Lee is actually a better drummer than Hall of Fame inductee Lars Ulrich cause he always retains the tempos.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 17:45pm


I know it's really early, but who do you guys see being the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 17:50pm


I'm expecting the next class to look like this for now and it should be seven again:

Boston
Foo Fighters
Duran Duran
Thin Lizzy
Jay- Z
Pat Benatar
Dionne Warwick

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 18:00pm


My ideal class for 2021 would be.

Jay-Z
The Go-Go's
Pat Benatar
Kraftwerk
Judas Priest or Iron Maiden
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan or Chaka Khan
Kate Bush

What I think would happen based on current patterns

Jay-Z
Bad Company
The Smiths
Soundgarden
Rage Against the Machine
Mariah Carey

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 18:01pm


What would be your ideal class for 2021?

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 18:17pm


I know it's still really early, but who do you see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 19:00pm


Ok Richie here are my early 2021 nominee predictions.

Duran Duran
Eurythmics
The Smiths
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
Kate Bush
Judas Priest
Thin Lizzy
Pat Benatar
Soundgarden
Rage Against the Machine
Tina Turner
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
Jethro Tull
Big Star
Big Mama Thornton

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 20:41pm


If Justice would ever happen to prevail in the Halls of Rock, there is no way that Motley Crue should be inducted before some of the great Rock/Metal bands that came before them:

Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Thin Lizzy
Scorpions
Motorhead

You could even make a case for a few Punk/New Wave artists more worthy:

Buzzcocks
Joy Division
New York Dolls
X
The B-52's
The Smiths
Black Flag
Eurythmics

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 02/23/2020 @ 23:49pm


Greg F,

My IDEAL class of 2021 would be:

Jay-Z
Joe Cocker
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Smashing Pumpkins
Barry White
Dave Matthews Band or Supertramp

It doesn't seem like Joe Cocker, Barry White, DMB, or Supertramp have much chance of actually getting inducted next year, but I think the others all have at least a decent chance of being considered.

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 08:46am


@ Greg. F

My dream/ideal class of 2021

Foo Fighters
Deftones
Mötley Crue
Jethro Tull
Joy Division/New Order
Thin Lizzy
Pat Benatar

What I'm really expecting the most at this point.

Boston
Foo Fighters
Duran Duran
Thin Lizzy
Jay- Z
Pat Benatar
Dionne Warwick

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 09:10am


My Ideal Class:
Big Star
RATM
Jay-Z
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Kate Bush (if 6)
John Prine (If 7 and just cause of the WTF factor)

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 10:02am


Who do you guys think will be the next 80's New Wave/Alternative act inducted into the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 10:36am


I think The Smiths is the next 80's new wave/alternative act to be inducted.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 11:11am


Who do you guys think will be the next Classic Rock act inducted into the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 11:22am


Next new wave is gonna be Duran Duran

Next classic rock will be either Pat Benatar and/or Foreigner

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 12:49pm


@ Richie

Boston, Pat Benatar, Thin Lizzy, and Foo Fighters (Yep, the 90's are considered as that) are the next classic rock acts who I think have the best chances of getting nominated and inducted.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 13:11pm


Who do you guys think will be the next 90's Alternative act inducted into the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 13:31pm


Just to let you guys know, Duran Duran has a new album coming this year. Nick Rhodes is hoping they could put it out before summer kicks in, which all makes sense for them to get hopefully nominated and inducted, especially with the help of their current label Warner Bros who I think it's one of those companies that dominate the Hall the most.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 15:42pm


Richie, I would love to hear some more thoughts from you on who you think might get in

Posted by RG on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 15:51pm


I think Soundgarden or Beck is next for 90's alternative.

As for classic rock either Pat Benatar, Thin Lizzy, Boston, Bad Company or Foreigner are likely next.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 16:07pm


What if Rage Against the Machine gets nominated inducted next year rather than Foo Fighters or any other eligible 90's band? They're back together again with another tour coming this year.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 16:24pm


Who do you guys think will be the next Female artist inducted into the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 17:52pm


Dionne Warwick has a really good shot to be on next year's class; she would easily take over the voting body and it would also be a landslide if nominated.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 18:01pm


Dionne Warwick, Chaka Khan or Mariah Carey seem likely to be next.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 19:27pm


On second thought Tina Turner has a good shot at be next.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 19:33pm


For the Wish Class , within logical reason of course would be:

Pat Benatar
Judas Priest
Jethro Tull
Buzzcocks
John Denver
The Commodores
The B-52's

More than likely for 2021 factoring in all of the BS:

Rage Against the Machine
Pat Benatar
Jay- Z
Eurythmics
Motorhead
Jethro Tull ( I hope)
Kraftwerk

I would have to think that Kraftwerk is next up for the Roxy Music/ T.Rex slot Vote..

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 02/24/2020 @ 22:19pm


Of the three acts will now refer to as the "kiosk trio" since they've been going strong at the kiosk since its inception, Iron Maiden, Blink-182, and Styx, which one do you see getting nominated first?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 02:21am


I have decided I may be Cutting my series Short. I was going to Take my series to 2016. I think I'm taking it to 2014 instead due to Lack of Reception. I am Not stopping it Right away. I will see what happens during 2013 and 2014. Predictions for Next Year's Nominees seems to be the trend. This makes sense. When I did my Series the first time Response got intense. Now that I've revived the series it doesn't seem as Intense this time. I've read the Posts of the last 2 days. Maybe K-Dawg will pull through. You said your thoughts are coming in 2012. I was sure my position Red Hot Chili P's would stir response. I like them and feel they are deserved for the Hall but it was the wrong time. I even said Whitney Houston should have been inducted before them. It's a case of good band Bad time. I hope to hear from you guys.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 04:40am


Those are some interesting questions posed by richie and Follower.

From the "kiosk trio", I'd think that Iron Maiden was the most respected of the three, so they'd be first, then Styx and Blink-182 further down the line. I wouldn't be surprised to Maiden get a nom in the next year or two.

My guess for the next female artist inducted would be Pat Benatar, followed by Cyndi Lauper or the Go-Go's. I'm guess I'm feeling an 80's artist on that one.

Posted by Michael W. on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 08:03am


Who do you guys think will be the next Rap/Hip-Hop artist inducted into the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 09:05am


Enig,
For the love of God shorten your comments. It's tiresome to read all that in one sitting. Also Duran Duran will get their time. Patience is sometimes the only viable option.

Ben,
RHCP are incredibly deserving and inducted in the right time. Whitney probably had to wait for awhile due to her reputation at the time and death. Also from the comments, it seems everyone tends to give a free pass to her unlike the other inductees from this year. Seems unfair and bias; I like Whitney, but I don't put her on a pedestal above the rest. They are all equally great no matter.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 09:17am


Since the voting body pretty much stopped the 70's prog train at this point, I'm not expecting Jethro to get nominated and inducted next year. The Nom Com is so desperate right now cause they want Judas Priest in soon as possible, still trying to figure out how to make sure the votes are there.

I'm expecting Thin Lizzy to get a second nomination and hopefully inducted cause I could see a lot of support from members of the the Doobies, Fleetwood Mac, Steely Dan, Journey, Bon Jovi, Rush, Deep Purple, KISS, Metallica, Alice Cooper, Def Leppard, Black Sabbath, Queen, Led Zeppelin, and even the Zombies to name many as I could.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 10:26am


Plebian,

I've never seen you here before. You may be Regular using another name. That's Cool whoever you may be. I did say RED Hot CP are incredibly deserving. I forgot about Whitney Houston with her Bad reputation and 2012 around her death. It was shortly after. But what about Journey, Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, Def Leppard and Duran Duran. I know that Duran D Not even in yet. Why did RHCP hey inducted first. They beat out a LOT of 80s. Why?

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 12:05pm


I'm actually pretty new here. Sorry if I took you comment too seriously. My theory on why RHCP got in before all those bands was probably because they were a great start on getting the 90s act and I feel the Hall needed to start looking at those acts. Plus RHCP are still relevant and are a good band that bridges toward old school and new school. Also ticket sales and a possible John F. Reunion.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 12:10pm


The Illinois Rock & Roll Museum's inaugural Hall of Fame class is:

* Cheap Trick
* Chicago
* The Ides of March
* Muddy Waters
* Buddy Guy
* The Buckinghams
* REO Speedwagon

https://wgnradio.com/2020/02/17/illinois-rock-roll-museum-to-induct-seven-performers-into-1st-hall-of-fame-class/

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 12:32pm


Plebian,

Very nice to have you and you make a good point. That makes sense about the Hall wanting to get a 90s act in before those 80s bands I mentioned like Journey, Bon Jovi, the Cars. It looks like you read that post well. So you read my Praise of Red HCP. It makes sense that the Hall wanted to started looking at some 90s acts. I didn't think of that in 2012. I was upset key 80s acts were missed then. It
Seemed strange the Hall was skipping a lot of 80s to get to the 90s. My friends mentioned that in 2012.

As I said I like Red HCP. They are one of the most talented bands to make it big in the 90s. Mothers Milk was their Breakthrough In 1989. Well Now, Welcome to the Future Rock Legends site

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 14:40pm


Who do you guys think will be the next Rap/Hip-Hop artist inducted into the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 15:42pm


Jay-Z and Eminem are next in a couple of years, but I just don't know when will a hip-hop/rap train truly happen. It's doubtful both of those guys I've mentioned could be the catalysts for their genre.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 16:17pm


I think Jay-Z is likely to be next for rap/hip-hop.

Ideally LL Cool J or some other early hip-hop pioneers such as Kurtis Blow, Eric B. and Rakim, MC Lyte or Salt-n-Pepa.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 18:28pm


Who do you guys think will be the next Hard Rock/Metal act inducted into the Rock Hall and how many nominations it will take for that act before they get inducted?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 21:42pm


Ben,

I had been meaning to add a few comments on Red Hot Chili Peppers, as they had been a major band for me in the 1980's and early 90's. Also I don't know if you read my piece on Donovan and Guns and Roses. I had noticed you did not respond to it. Anyway, I read your perspective on the Peppers and their induction, and while not being an FYE inductee, they were a 3YE, or inducted in their third year of eligibility. I was OK with them going in in 2012, because I had been listening to them since 1984, which would be 28 years at that point. I get that there were 70's or 80's bands that got leapfrogged, but we all know from experience this is how the Hall works. It happened once again this year, and I am pretty sure it will happen again next year too. The bands you listed have all been inducted, except for Pat B, and most all of them still had to wait a few years. I think Heart should have gone in sooner, but at the time, RHCP was getting the nominations, so they were front and center, so to speak.

A little Flashback Time.. One night in the fall of 1984, I was watching some cheesy, USA network music video show called Rock N' America, and this video came on with these 3 weird bizarre dudes came up from out of the sand, jumping, bouncing and rolling around acting crazy, and then later smearing paint on each other. This was my first introduction to the Chili Peppers, as there first ever video was broadcast, "True Men Don't Kill Coyotes", and my reaction was, this is Wild as Hell, and I loved it. Absolutely much different than what was being played at the time and very original. So in a few days I had to go down to the record store, Camelot Music, I believe, and pick up their first album. They did not have it because it was too new, so I had to order it. RHCP's debut LP, which is self titled had quite an impact on me for it's energy and new sound. It is Punk/ Funk/ Rock/ Surf and Rap rolled into one, with some weird songs, but overall very cool. This album was produced by Andy Gill of Gang Of Four.. Their follow up, "Freakey Styley" was produced by George Clinton, which is also very good. In 1986, they were touring small clubs across America on the Infinity Tour promoting Freaky Styley, so I went to see them in a Rock club in Ft. Lauderdale, FL, and there was maybe 300 people there. Which made it most excellent and intense, and being right there at the stage was very cool. After The Uplift Mojo Plan album, they scored big with Mother's Milk, another Great LP that I enjoyed a lot, and was able to see them again at Lollopalooza 1992, with Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. An awesome show..

It is a wonder that RHCP survived the 80's with all of the drugs and tragedy they experienced, so maybe their perseverance in overcoming the battles and adversity, combined with the massive chart successes they have had, with many hit songs and LP's, increased their chances of getting inducted in their 3rd year of eligibility. Maybe someone else here knows and can post their achievements, numbers wise. I have read them and they are fairly impressive.

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 22:01pm


I think Motörhead has a better chance. Judas Priest really isn't making a dent, Iron Maiden clearly DOES NOT want to be in the hall, Megadeth is not even being considered and Slayer...yeah no. (I don't hate Slayer, but their chances are 1/100). Motorhead has Lemmy and from Richie's sources, they actually did pretty well on the main voting. I give it 3 to 4 tries for them to get in.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 22:08pm


Also The Dude I have several questions

1) Do you think it's still possible to add Gloria Jones for T. Rex? I think from out of the post T.Rex craze, she would represent it well.

2) Can the MC5 create an underdog narrative for themselves? They are always in last place, but somehow managed to be nominated again the following year.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 02/25/2020 @ 22:13pm


Since Whitney Houston is the only woman on this year's class, the Hall NEEDS to add Gloria Jones, so they could get less controversies. As for MC5, there is no or little name recognition in the voting body, and the only way they could get inducted if they were grandfathered in imo.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 02/26/2020 @ 07:14am


"Laissez les bon temps rouler." Yesterday had been Mardi Gras, a celebration of life.

Yesterday had also marked the termination of nearly slightly more than half of the 92nd rotation of my mother's orbit around the sun. At the age of slightly more than 91.5 she had passed away peacefully yesterday morning, while I had been driving to work. My father had only completed slightly more than 70 rotations when he had passed away nearly 17 years ago. My mother had lived a long life, but the incessant poking, prodding and trips back and forth to and from the hospital to an assisted care living facility over the past few years must have become quite tiresome. Always, the eternal optimist, I find it somehow ironic that her passing had occurred yesterday on a date of celebration for many other people. But the last week must have been exceptionally difficult on my other sibling, my older sister, who had been her primary caretaker for the past few years.

Fortunately, I had been removed from that for many years and my primary focus had been on my career. Nonetheless, I had managed to telephone her for several years, nearly once per day until she had become slightly less than responsive. I suppose that 92 would have been the asymptotic limit of her lifespan. My father's mother had also completed 91.5 rotations around the sun and even more ironically, 46 days later during the same year, my late father's orbit had been terminated as well. My father's grandmother had lived to be nearly a centenarian, passing away only a few days shy of her 99th birthday. Longevity runs in the family on both sides of it, by the way.

Why am I mentioning this? Because my mother had been the individual who had instilled in me as a child, the desire to develop many interests, beyond the norm. The reason why I have been a somewhat regular contributor to this website for nearly the past 8 years is due somewhat to her influence. Even though she had disliked much rock music, we had been allowed to listen to the music of The Carpenters when I had been a pre-teenage boy. Of course, my most recent focus has been on the induction of my favorite artists which for the most part, happen to fit into the art rock/progressive rock category. I have seen the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), Roxy Music, The Zombies, Radiohead, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Chicago, Deep Purple and of course, Peter Gabriel (as a solo artist) since I had joined this forum. However, the non-inductions of either Procol Harum, Supertramp, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, or Duran Duran have weighed heavily on my mind.

Last year, the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee had done those of us who are aficionados of progressive rock A huge disservice by almost completely ignoring "prog" as a genre. Of course, one could argue that new inductee, Nine Inch Nails, is perhaps the closest musical evolutionary link to my favorite genre, but in actuality I would have preferred to see Motörhead inducted instead, due to the late great Ian Fraser (Lemmy) Kilminster's ties to Hawkwind, a bonafide prog band.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 02/26/2020 @ 08:35am


Why am I mentioning this? Because my mother had been the individual who had instilled in me as a child, the desire to develop many interests, beyond the norm. The reason why I have been a somewhat regular contributor to this website for nearly the past 8 years is due somewhat to her influence. Even though she had disliked much rock music, we had been allowed to listen to the music of The Carpenters when I had been a pre-teenage boy. Of course, my most recent focus has been on the induction of my favorite artists which for the most part, happen to fit into the art rock/progressive rock category. I have seen the inductions of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues), Roxy Music, The Zombies, Radiohead, Electric Light Orchestra, Journey, Chicago, Deep Purple and of course, Peter Gabriel (as a solo artist) since I had joined this forum. However, the non-inductions of either Procol Harum, Supertramp, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, or Duran Duran have weighed heavily on my mind.

Last year, the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominating Committee had done those of us who are aficionados of progressive rock A huge disservice by almost completely ignoring "prog" as a genre. Of course, one could argue that new inductee, Nine Inch Nails, is perhaps the closest musical evolutionary link to my favorite genre, but in actuality I would have preferred to have seen Motörhead inducted instead, due to the late great Ian Fraser (Lemmy) Kilmister's ties to Hawkwind, a bonafide prog band.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 02/26/2020 @ 09:00am


Will N.,
Those were great comments on Donovan and Guns n'Roses. I read your piece on Donovan and Guns n'Roses a few days ago. I was busy finishing my reviews of the 2012 Class and I had a Clerical task for my Dad's Estate this week. It was terrific like all your other pieces. On Donovan and did go to #2 on the Billboard chart. It was very significant because it represented psychedelic type hits in the emerging age of Flower Power in the mid to late 60's. I liked what you said about the era of music It is certainly one of the strongest changes for Rock and Roll History. The influence on music yet to come is immense, and Donovan happened to be a part of that, and it shows across the board with hundreds of bands and artists. With the 60's being so tumultuous and wild .it was a special time period. And Yes Season of the Witch was on Classic Rock radio for a lot of years.

I agree that Gn'R also shifted the direction of music. They were Not your Traditional rock or Hair Metal in the 80s. I will talk more about this later.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 02/26/2020 @ 10:15am


Hey Guys,

AlexVoltaire's predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next seven years (2021-2027) as he mentioned on his blog northumbriancountdown.wordpress.com are:

2021

Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Dolly Parton

Early Influence

Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence

Carol Kaye and Glen Campbell

2022

Pat Benatar
Cher
Eminem
Eurythmics
OutKast
Warren Zevon

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Bernie Taupin

Musical Excellence

Willie Nelson

2023

The B-52's
Mariah Carey
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
LL Cool J
Weezer

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Jane Scott

Musical Excellence

The Revolution

2024

Coldplay
The Commodores
Destiny's Child
Judas Priest
The Monkees
Oasis

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Bob Geldof

Musical Excellence

Todd Rundgren

2025

Jimmy Buffett
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against The Machine
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Don Cornelius

Musical Excellence

The Wailers

2026

Beck
Foreigner
Queen Latifah
Motley Crue
Smashing Pumpkins
"Weird Al" Yankovic

Influence

Kraftwerk

Musical Excellence

Chaka Khan

2027

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
Phil Collins
Missy Elliott
Gloria Estefan
No Doubt
The White Stripes

Early Influence

Patsy Cline

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Robert Moog

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 02/26/2020 @ 15:03pm


Will N.,

I have more time at this moment so I will continue. You know very little about Donovan but Nonetheless gave remarkable comments. I go a bit beyond Sunshine Superman and Mellow Yellow. I like Wear Your Love Like Heaven and There is a Mountain a lot. We run about the same on Donovan.
Now Guns n'Roses are certainly amazing and Well deserved for the Hall. But I tend to agree with you on them. Guns and Roses was also a band who shifted the direction of music as we knew it. Not your traditional Rock, or Hair Metal. I never jumped on the Gn'R bandwagon either even though they are fantastic, I agree the first album got overplayed even by 1989 and I was more into other Hard Rock and Jazz Fusion at the time. I will have to say some of the songs that I really like, are "Welcome to the Jungle"Paradise City","Civil War", "You Could Be Mine", and "Patience". Yeah I agree there is Something about Axl's nasally, whiny type vocals I don't enjoy, but I would have to say strongly, that musically, the band is great which makes them one of the All time great Rock bands. Slash and the band, and all of the great songs they have created and recorded, are why they are in the HOF. I too will give credit to Axl for all of his great contributions and songwriting, I am just not a fan of a lot of his vocals. I simply own GnR Greatest Hits. That covers it for me. SO I am Not a huge fan of GnR but like some of their songs. I will respond to your piece on Red Hot CP later on. I can see you are a huge fan of Red Hot CP.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/27/2020 @ 10:11am


Will N.,

That was a great piece on Red Hot CP. Flashback for me to 1984 Certainly did Not include RHCP. I was listening to a lot of the Popular Rock acts of that time. The Pretenders, the Cars,Cyndi Lauper, ZZ Top, Billy Idol, etc as well as REM, Bruce Cockburn and Joe Jackson. Albums. There is a bunch of my Variety. Also a Bunch of the Heavy Metal like Priest, Twisted Sister, etc. I never heard of the Red HCP at all in 1984. The point here is I never heard of the Red HCP until 1989. Mothers Milk was shipped to Record Shop I managed. I played it and I liked some. Higher Ground stood out. This is still a couple years before their Huge hits. You have given me extra insight to RHCP. I KNOW them starting with Mothers Milk. Massive Chart Success came in the 1990's with many hit songs and albums. I know about them playing Lollapalooza in 1992 with Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. Their Successes definitely increased their chances of getting inducted. Do you have any Comments on Laura Nyro and Beastie Boys. Perhaps NOT Laura Nyro. She is a kind of odd Songwriter. But Maybe Beastie Boys

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 02/27/2020 @ 11:47am


Who do you guys think will be the next FYE inductees for the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 02/27/2020 @ 23:16pm


This was a few comments ago, but I would like to have my Magnificent Seven and Sinister Six list:

Magnificent Seven:
Big Star
Eminem (Newly Eligible 2021)
Joy Division/New Order
Daft Punk
OutKast
Kool and The Gang
Oasis

Sinister Six:
Styx (Diet Queen)
REO Speedwagon (One good album can get you so far)
Boston (See REO)
Barbra Streisand (Really? I know we need more women representation, but let's not get too crazy)
Mariah Carey (Brought Pop back to life, but she basically contributed mostly the worst things about mainstream music. Good voice though.)
Pat Boone (No Comment.....)

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/28/2020 @ 14:21pm


@ Plebian

Here's mine just in case you missed my previous comments.

My "sinister six" acts

Garth Brooks: The golden era of country music ended after the 70's, which I felt it marked the decline of the genre in quality. When Garth went big, he partly made things worse.

REO Speedwagon: I'm actually cool with Boston, since they were innovative and influential in a technical sense. But when it comes to 70's arena rock, we shouldn't go too deep with REO.

Supertramp: Jethro Tull, King Crimson, and ELP are the last remaining prog bands from the 70's who have yet to be inducted. But like I said before about REO, the Hall shouldn't go too deep with those guys.

Air Supply: One of the most boring and lamest bands I've ever heard from their era. They don't make think about youth at all compared to most acts.

Loverboy: Just because "Working For The Weekend" was used in a Saturday Night Live skit doesn't mean the band is Hall material.

Bryan Adams: He's quite big but far from being Hall material; I could hardly see the impact when it comes to influence.

My "Heavenly Seven" acts.

Joy Division/New Order: One of the biggest underdogs in new wave, one of the most influential gothic bands, and they invented alternative dance music. We could see them get a nomination this year.

Judas Priest: One of the most important metal bands of all time in music history who has yet to be inducted along with Iron Maiden, Motorhead, and Ronnie James Dio. They're also one of the earliest speed metal bands.

Motley Crue: The REAL Godfathers of 80's glam who embodied the dangerous lifestyle of "Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll." There would be no Guns N' Roses and Bon Jovi if it weren't for them musically. They were also the reason why Def Leppard (Post High N' Dry), Kiss, Aerosmith, and even the Turbo era Judas Priest jumped on the bandwagon back then.

Jethro Tull: They may sold millions of copies worldwide, but they're sadly not appreciated as some of their prog peers from their era. Just because they won a Grammy on the wrong category doesn't mean they don't deserves an induction.

MC5: Screaming "Kick Out The Jams Mutha F*cka!!" maybe a very simple way to say about the band, but they're among the earliest punk bands along with the Stooges and Los Saicos who influenced a lot of names from the The Ramones all the way to the White Stripes. Their impact feels so endless to me musically.

Soundgarden: One of the biggest and most influential grunge bands from Washington state who were bridge between the first (The Melvins, The U-Men, Malfunkshun) and the second wave (Nirvana, Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam) of their genre. I was gratefully lucky to see those guys before Chris Cornell's tragic death.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 02/28/2020 @ 15:32pm


Who do you guys think will be the next FYN inductees for the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/28/2020 @ 15:57pm


Oh I didn't know we counted ones nominated then that case:

Revised Magnificent Seven:
Devo (Made Nerds look cool)
Kraftwerk (The Godfathers of Electronic Music; They are playing the patience game and we (plus I) know they will get their turn in the spotlight)
Kate Bush (Probably currently the most overlooked female artist not in the hall)
Big Star (The ideal American Pop Rock Band and Alex Chilton doesn't get the respect he deserves)
OutKast (Andre 3000 and Big Boi are one of hip-hop's greatest teams of all time)
RATM (Really defines the frustration and confusion that was happening at the time. Also Tom Morello and Zack De La Rocha.)
Kool and The Gang (In a time when dance music was evolving and being shunned, they stick with their guns and trailed on in the early 80s. Ladies Night is still a great song to groove.)

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/28/2020 @ 16:07pm


Plebian,

Who do you see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/28/2020 @ 17:29pm


2021 Predictions:

The Returning:
Kraftwerk (7 noms)
MC5 (5 noms)
Chaka Khan/Rufus (total of 6 noms)
Soundgarden (1 nom)
Pat Benatar (1 nom)
RATM (2 noms)
Eurythmics (1 Nom)
Motörhead (1 Nom)

The Newcomers:
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters (Would you guys count them as 90s or 00s?)
Duran Duran
B-52s
Emmylou Harris (You will be surprised with how many connections she has)
Joy Division/New Order
Big Star
Tommy James and the Shondells
Tina Turner
Warren Zevon

The Class:

Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
RATM
Big Star
Jay-Z
Emmylou Harris

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/28/2020 @ 18:12pm


Scratch Big Star, I meant Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/28/2020 @ 18:16pm


Michael W.,

Who do you see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/28/2020 @ 20:21pm


Plebian,

That would be a cool class. I fully expect the three perennial noms + Soundgarden + Pat + one of the hard rock acts from last year to be back on the ballot. Though I will say that I think that you have the balance of "classic rock" vs. "alternative" a bit off. You have just three "classic rock" acts on there - Tommy James & The Shondells, Warren Zevon, and Pat Benatar, compared to six alt/new wave acts - Big Star, Kraftwerk, Joy Division/New Order, Duran Duran, B-52s, Eurythmics. That ratio should probably be switched. I also think that on your proposed ballot, Tommy James would probably get in on the strength of the voters from the 60s.

Foo Fighters I consider equally a 90s/00s band. Their first three albums were in the 90s, and they exemplify the post-grunge genre, which is iconically late-90s, but their seminal period of work also extended throughout the 2000s until 2011 with the album Wasting Light.

Emmylou Harris is an interesting pick. She would be surprising but I can see it. I think Dolly Parton has a slightly better chance of making it in soon, though, if you're going down the solo female country artists route. She has a bit more crossover into mainstream pop culture and is also having a bit of a moment recently with her Netflix documentary, podcast, social media presence, and possible involvement in the Whitney tribute this year.

Posted by RG on Friday, 02/28/2020 @ 22:08pm


RG,

Who do you see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 02/28/2020 @ 22:12pm


Oh thanks for the feedback, RG!

Yeah, I keep forgetting classic rock is still dominate on the board. We may have gotten already more alternative acts, but it's still an uphill battle. I chose Emmylou Harris due to her connections with some inductees like The Band, Bonnie Raitt, Linda Ronstadt and three time nominee Gram Parsons who was her mentor/close friend. I wonder if I should have put Warren Zevon on the class....As The Dude has stated He signed up with Irving Adzroff and so far to my knowledge that man has a 100% on getting his acts in.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 02/28/2020 @ 22:43pm


Today I will embark on the 2013 Class. This was a good class. It was a really good one. I will start with Randy Newman. He was and is a great Singer/Songwriter. This was a pleasant surprise. He himself thought he would Not be Alive for his Own induction. Then I will cover Blues great Albert King. Somehow he was skipped over until 2013. One may wonder what took Albert King so long. I think what happened is Unlike Blues greats like Muddy Waters,John Lee Hooker he is considered just below that. amongst Blue greats. I like Albert King quite a bit. Just throwing those names out there to get 2013 started.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 05:29am


I don't know much about Albert King, but he is part of the three kings of blue from what I heard. Randy Newman shocked me, but I feel is deserving. I keep forgetting he is an actual musician and not a meme. He also scored some of my childhood movies like the Pixar films, so I may feel bias.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 10:00am


I will Now start my reviews of the acts in the 2013 Class. It was a great Class and Ceremony. I always tend to go in the order they performed. I start with Randy Newman. Randy Newman is an oddity among Early 70s Singer/Songwriters. Randy Newman may have been slightly influenced by Bob Dylan but his music stems more from New Orleans music. He became well known for his extreme sense of satire. I first became aware of Randy Newman when I was 12 due to the hit Short People. He also had a hit with I Love LA when I was a teenager. He had great albums like Good Old Boys. Tunes I know from this are Louisiana 1927 and Mr. President. Little Criminals was a commercial breakthrough in 1977.
Randy Newman had a big hit with I Love LA.and then didn't release another album until 1988's Land of Dreams. It's Money That Matters became a minor hit.

Newman spent most of the '90s composing film scores and working on a musical adaptation of Dr. Faust. The resulting musical, Faust, was initially released as a concept album in the fall of 1995 to mixed reviews. Newman garnered an Oscar nomination in 1996 for "You've Got a Friend," which was featured in the Disney computer-animated film Toy Story. He is known for songs from most of the Toy Story movies. He is known in Modern times for lots of Film music. Some of you remember those from your Childhood. He is certainly deserved for RnR Hall of Fame. His performance and Induction kicked off the 2013 Ceremony. He was helped at the Hall by Jackson Browne and Don Henley.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 10:55am


Speaking of PIxar, Trent Reznor made music for the upcoming film Soul, and Nom Com member Questlove was one of the cast members. Sounds like he was able to pushed NIN successfully cause of that movie.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 11:43am


Who do you guys see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 17:09pm


My predictions for 2021 are
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Boston
Pat Benatar
Mariah Carey (It will happen if we like it or not)

Dream Class
Jethro Tull
Joy Division/ New Order
Boston
Foo Fighters
Kraftwerk
Iron Maiden/ Judas Priest/ Motorhead (Any of them making it would be nice)

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 18:13pm


Replace Jethro Tull with Thin Lizzy

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 18:20pm


For 2022 (With expected and dream not including artists in 2021 in those categories.)

Expected
Eminem
Motorhead
Thin Lizzy
Chic
Scorpions (Yes I think their gonna get in before Kraftwerk knowing the hall)

Dream
Jethro Tull
Eminem
Soundgarden
Pat Benatar
Modest Mouse (Why not)
One of the remaining two of the metal pick from last year
LL Cool J

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 18:26pm


Afrika Bambaataa
Chic
Phil Colllins
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Duran Duran
Foreigner
The J. Geils Band
Joy Division/New Order
Kansas
LL Cool J
The Monkees
Motley Crue
Oasis
Dolly Parton
Scorpions
Barbra Striedent...

...all have NO CHANCE IN HELL of making the 2021 ballot, OR ever getting in (like it even matters anymore), so there!

#enoughabout2021already

Posted by Mr. XFL on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 18:50pm


Afrika Bambaataa
Chic
Phil Colllins
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Duran Duran
Foreigner
The J. Geils Band
Joy Division/New Order
Kansas
LL Cool J
The Monkees
Motley Crue
Oasis
Dolly Parton
Scorpions
Barbra Striedent...

...all have NO CHANCE IN HELL of making the 2021 ballot, OR ever getting in (like it even matters anymore), so there!

#enoughabout2021already

Posted by Mr. XFL on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 18:50pm


Mr.XFL,
I think Chic and Scorpions will get in soon knowing the hall. Chic have a bunch of nominations already and Scorpions I think Azoff might try to force into the hall. Boston and Thin Lizzy I think will also get in and they are two of my favorite bands so I will be ecstatic when they get in.

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 19:04pm


Albert King is next in my Series, I'm up to the 2013 Class. Albert king is one of the 3 Kings of Blues. The other 2 are B.B. and Freddie. Albert was inducted in 2013. Albert King is one of the major influences on Blues and Rock guitarists. he has influenced both black and white blues players from Otis Rush to Eric Clapton and Stevie Ray Vaughn. Albert King had his own style. A lot of rock guitarists have been influenced by Albert King. He's one of the most important blues guitarists. Hey the Hall did finally remember him for 2013.

In 1956 Albert was headlining several clubs around St. Louis. He got a major contract in 1959. Don't Throw Your Love on Me So Strong was a big hit in 1961. Albert King got huge success in 1966 by joining Stax Records in 1966. King's style was heralded by Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton. Some of my favs are Laundromat Blues, Cross Cut Saw and Born Under a Bad Sign. Born Under a Bad Sign was a big album for him in 1967. During the early 70s he toured America and Europe. He did some Soul style albums in the 1970s and returned to straight Blue. In the mid 80s he retired. He died suddenly in 1992.That's a quick history of Albert King. I didn't want to burden people with a long history of Albert King. I own a nice 2 disc set called Ultimate Collection. That's how I got to know him pretty well.
He was inducted in 2013. His inductor was John Mayer. John Mayer has become known for some Blues. So this makes some sense. Tribute performance at the 2013 Ceremony was great. John Mayer, Gary Clark Jr. and others played in Albert Kings's honor. Albert King is certainly Well deserved in the RnR Hall of fame. I like quite a bit of Blues so I can appreciate his induction. That's it for Albert King. Ok guys some feedback and Comments. Plebian said something about it. Where is K-Dawg? Well everybody I would love comments. Enigmaticus you said you would be on the look out for the 2013 Class. I would like to send my condolences to you on the loss of your mother. I can see he was an inspiration to you. She had a nice long life. I think you said she lived to 92. If you are up to it you can chime in with 2013. I hope you are Ok. In any case I know that you are looking forward to Heart and Rush. Everybody chime in.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 19:19pm


I revised my early predictions. Feel free to give feedback.

The Class:
RATM (Reunion.Morello. 2 times. Upcoming presidential election. Need I say more?)
Joy Division/New Order (The critic's pick as they are one of the most celebrated artists not in the Hall.)
Jay-Z (Continues the rap train for more artist in the future)
Pat Benatar (Coming for revenge and this time she will be part of it)
Warren Zevon (Having Irving Adzroff and working with fellow rock hall people like The Boss and David Letterman really helps)
Soundgarden (This might make The Dude ecstatic including me. 35th anniversary is coming and I'm sure the lawsuit will be settled by then. Another piece to Mt. Grungemore)


Nominees:
Motörhead
Kraftwerk
Foo Fighters
Eurythmics
Rufus/Chaka Khan
Tommy James and the Shondells
MC5
Blue Oyster Cult
Big Star
Boston (Seems like a shoo-in, but I'm skeptical)
Tina Turner
Bad Company

Other Awards:
Carol Kaye (ME)
Big Mama Thornton (EI)

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 20:03pm


Good thoughts on the 2013 class so far Ben. Tom Petty also performed with Newman/Henley/Browne and that's a hell of a lineup. He started film scores beginning with Ragtime in 1981 and that's been his primary focus ever since. Like Laura Nyro, much of Newman's legacy largely rests on others covering his songs (Three Dog Night's 'Mama Told Me Not to Come,' Joe Cocker's 'You Can Leave Your Hat On,' etc.) And dozens of HOFers have covered his songs over the years (e.g., Wilson Pickett, Dusty Springfield, Etta James, Gene Pitney, Doobie Brothers). I mean, Harry Nilsson (who should absolutely be in the HOF by now; it's a damn shame) released a covers album of Newman's work in the early 1970s. One of the most distinguished and unique singer-songwriters of the rock era. A well-deserved induction indeed.

A little known fact about myself—the 2013 ceremony is when I started paying more attention to the Rock Hall. When you get to other artists in this series, I'll tell you more about it.

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 21:05pm


Plebian,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next ten years (2021-2030)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 21:47pm


@ Plebian

If Foo Fighters doesn't make it as an FYE, then I won't be upset at all if Soundgarden gets in before them, since they're on my "Heavenly Seven" list and my biggest 90's snub. As for Rage, I felt they had a shot for another nomination last year cause of the upcoming election, but it seems like they're gonna have to wait a bit longer. I doubt it they would get inducted next year if Trumps wins the White House again.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 02/29/2020 @ 21:55pm


For 2023
Expected
Outkast
Oasis
Weezer
Motley Crue
Soundgarden
Dream
Outkast
King Crimson
The remaining metal artist from my 3 for 2021
Oasis
Alanis
Weezer

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 01:47am


For 2024
Expected
Nas
Coldplay
LL Cool J
Devo
Tribe Called Quest (3 Rappers might sound crazy but I think it will happen
Dream
Coldplay
Muse
Nas
Sparks
Queens of the Stone Age
Pixies
BÖC

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 01:55am


2021:
Warren Zevon
Soundgarden
RATM
Pat Benatar
Joy Division/New Order
Jay-Z

2022:
Eminem
Duran Duran
Kraftwerk
The Smashing Pumpkins
Kate Bush
Dave Matthews

2023:
MC5
Judas Priest
LL Cool J
Jethro Tull
Chic
The Go-Gos

That's as far as I will go

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 01:56am


Nick,

That was a great post for Response. I forgot about Tom Petty performing with Randy Newman. They performed I Love LA. They may have performed another tune. I can't remember. You can respond and review Albert King later. Up Next is Public Enemy and Donna Summer. This proves that I don't mind Rap in the Hall. I originally opposed Rap in the Hall 12 years ago but I got used to it. It's part of music. Most contemporary music connects to Rock in some way. I am Not a fan of Public Enemy or any Rap but they are deserved to represent other Genres. 2013 was a Great class. My 2 Favs are coming Later on. I did Not mention those yet

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 08:35am


Will N.,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next ten years (2021-2030)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 10:25am


Who do you predict will be FYE inductees in the years 2040, 2041, 2042, 2043 and 2044?

Will there still be a Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in the year 2050 or will the name have been changed?

Posted by joker on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 14:43pm


joker,
I think by then it will most likely be the music hall of fame. Rock is a dead genre if you like to admit it or not. Even if there is still underground that's nothing. Name the last big rock song you heard? Meanwhile music will always be around. If people are already debating what is rock they should just broaden it to all music. I think it will happen sooner than 2050. I see around 2030 as when they will do it.

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 19:07pm


Joker,

As much as we Kick the Hall now, we still like to have fun speculating about it. I think they will change the name in the future. Right now I think we are enjoying what's left to induct because sooner or later Rock will fade. Let's hope the genre's future is bright and maybe we might get more Future Rock Legends.

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 19:22pm


@ Plebian

The bands aren't to blame for the genre's decline in popularity for ten years straight. It has more to do with gatekeeping, fan services/demands, snobbery, rockism, the decline of pure local radio, and major labels spending less money to sign new acts in favor of rappers, pop divas, and EDM DJ's.

The "rock is dead" statement is just a cliche; the genre is alive and well that needs another big wave of bands with some innovations and uniqueness. Major labels needs to embrace diversity genre wise in order for a revival to happen rather than being greedy. It's no wonder most rock bands are stuck in the underground and/or niche market these days.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 20:24pm


Joker,

It's waaay too soon to tell but from where things stand now but the most likely inductees I can think of from 2040 onwards would be Mitski, SZA, Billie Eilish, Cardi B, Harry Styles, and Lil Nas X (if he can keep his success from last year up).

Posted by RG on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 20:24pm


RG,

Who do you see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 21:18pm


RG,
Don't mind Joker, he's being facetious and rightfully poking fun of the people who constantly ask about our HOF predictions. I'm not even thinking about 2021, let alone anything else beyond that. Let's wait until August to start these conversations and let it flow naturally. And can we just stop and appreciate the current slate of inductees without thinking about the future so much?

Ben,
Thanks! I'm glad Albert King was inducted in 2013. He's one of the most influential blues guitarists of all time and has many great songs in his catalog. My favorites are 'Blues Power,' 'Crosssaw Blues,' 'I'm Ready' and 'She Caught the Katy.' A little known fact—he finished in the top-five of the inaugural fan vote (finishing at #5, ahead of the likes of Public Enemy, Donna Summer, and many others; It's hard to imagine now but Kraftwerk finished at #6 that year too). He was definitely overdue for an induction and glad he got in on his first nomination.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 21:20pm


And if anyone's interested, we're starting the Song and Album Project nominations this month. Take a look at Darren's post on each forum for details. New people are always welcomed and desired in these groups. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or any of the other regulars.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 21:23pm


lol, I'm very tired and didn't pick up on the facetiousness

Posted by RG on Sunday, 03/1/2020 @ 21:47pm


As I continue with the 2013 class I will now cover Public Enemy. It's Not characteristic of me to listen to Rap. I have listened to some light Rap/Hip hop. Public Enemy reset the rules of hip hop. They were the most influential and controversial rap group of the late 80s. They were hardcore rap but they were revolutionary. That makes them deserved for the RnR Hall of Fame. They had a military stance,especially after their 1988 album It Takes a Nation of millions to Hold Us Back. The leading rapper Chuck D's singing gained focus. bring the noise is a tune I know. And there is the tune Don't Believe the Hype I also know.
For their 1991 album Apocalypse 91-the Enemy Strikes Back they rerecorded Bring the Noise with heavy metal band Anthrax. Thus a crossover to Rock and Heavy Metal. Public Enemy were on hiatus during 1993. I am a Rock guy very much who lives near those suburbs but I accept that Public Enemy were innovative. In 2013 they were inducted by Spike Lee and Harry Belafonte, both highly respected across America. Here is my acknowledgement of Rap. I will NOT be running to listen Now to Public Enemy. It's music more likely I run to listen to my Albert King and Eric Clapton BUT I have NOT skipped Public Enemy. I am skipping nobody for this Class. case in Point I skipped the Faces for 2012. I don't find the Faces necessary. And so there it is. 2013 was a great class.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/2/2020 @ 06:47am


Ben,

I love your thoughts on past Rock Hall inductees from 1994 to 2013, I have really enjoyed it so far, but I really think that you should extend your thoughts on talking about past Rock Hall inductees to 2016 like you said that you originally would, not abruptly cut it at 2014.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/2/2020 @ 12:10pm


Ben,

I love your thoughts on past Rock Hall inductees from 1994 to 2013, I have really enjoyed it so far, but I really think that you should extend your thoughts on talking about past Rock Hall inductees to 2016 like you said that you originally would, not abruptly cut it off at 2014.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/2/2020 @ 12:44pm


Since we tend to kick the Hall like a dead horse, is there anything we like about the Hall?

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 03/2/2020 @ 13:52pm


@ Plebian

It's an expansive and historic list of music acts following the aftermath of World War II that so far shaped the Greatest Generation all the way through Millennial Generation musically. That's how I like to describe the Rock Hall.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 03/2/2020 @ 13:58pm


richie,

I've wanted to write that I changed my mind. I will extend my thoughts on the Rock Hal of the Past to 2016. I was frustrated with lack of Reception. The irony is you one of the Key ones with the Other Big Topic-Predictions of the Next 15 Years. Which is Also Coool. Although It's really ahead of ourselves. It's Coool that you say this

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/2/2020 @ 14:50pm


Plebian,

The museum building looks pretty cool the way it sits right on the water. Let's hope there isn't a flood and half the memorabilia isn't totaled.

Posted by joker on Monday, 03/2/2020 @ 16:00pm


Who do you see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/2/2020 @ 17:45pm


The class of 2012.

The Beastie Boys were a compromise for the RRHOF. So far very resistant to exploring the genre of rap/hip-hop, the Beasties were an unusual mix of rock and rap. They are the forerunners to acts like Linkin Park and even harder contemporaries in rap like NWA and the like. Their influence cannot be understated, and they give the rock purist types who couldn't stand anything but guitars a little leeway, but still were criticized. As a kid, I really got into them with "Brass Monkey" and "FIght for Your RIght", but their real influence was with "Intergalactic" with me.

Donovan is an interesting case. He really is known far and wide for the classic earworm "Mellow Yellow", long before the soft drink was even a thing, but he was a folk darling and really to me evinces the Woodstock sound and feel. Looking back at his surreal settings in performances, he takes you to another time.

Guns N Roses came out in 1987 with "Appetite for Destruction". They were technically in the middle of the hair band era and speed metal, but they had a bit of a different sound and influence. Their short tenure (I myself only recognize their actual existence to "The Spaghetti Incident" because Axl Rose was and is only 1/5 of what I consider a true GNR (Izzy, Duff, Slash, Axl and Adler/Matt Sorum), but their double album "Use Your Illusion", released separately but still double powered on the rock charts, really set them apart from the other acts of the late 80s. They arguably could be the last rock superstars to emerge from the traditional 80s rock era before the advent of grunge took over not just the rock scene, but the sound as artists began to alter their styles to meet current genres, and the love ballad and headbanging with big hair and glam became something of a thing of the past. Their brevity makes them a lightning rod, but their music is too big to ignore.

Laura Nyro, I will take a pass on, as with the faces, since Rod Stewart's double nomination was probably the biggest story of it

That leaves us with the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I caught RHCP in the late 80s with "Mother's Milk". They were quite different in sound; the funky quartet really had their own beat, and it wasn't something a kid who loved hard rock and the burgeoning rap scene really paid attention to. They did give me a sense that I could like something that to my ears, was strange and fingernails on a chalkboard, but it has endured. I hate oversaturation of songs, and I will admit, I am as tired of "Under the Bridge", despite its genius and breakthrough status, as I am of hearing the same 200 songs over and over on a local rock station. I do like a lot of later RHCP stuff, well into the 2010s, but to me the best stuff is Mother's Milk, One Hot Minute, Blood Sugar Sex Magik, and the various stuff from the late 80s into the early 2000s. Anthony Kiedis, Flea, Chad Smith, and the other artists are simply great at what they do. They also led me to another group who I never see get much love, but has been around since the late 70s and really needs some attention. If you haven't heard of Fishbone, I suggest you listen to a couple of their songs if you are an RHCP fan, or even not. It might not be for you, but it is awesome

Just some quicky analysis on the class. Sorry, I've been super busy lately with work and life, so I haven't been able to post as much. Will be back soon to answer any feedback and explore the 2013. Great analysis, Ben, WillN, and everyone else.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/2/2020 @ 18:14pm


Which 2020 nominee do you guys see being inducted next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 03/2/2020 @ 21:03pm


Richie,
Sorry for the delay in my response to your prediction request. I really can't say that my outlook would be similar to the Hall's, as I would add a few that I feel would be overdue, logically due for induction, or just out of left field type picks. Anyway, it is cool to give a stab at it. At an average of 6 picks per year I will go with:

2021:
Pat Benatar
Rage Against the Machine
Jay- Z
Motorhead
Kraftwerk
Eurythmics

2022:
Foo Fighters
The B-52's
Jethro Tull
The Commodores
Eminem
Tina Turner

2023:
Judas Priest
Buzzcocks
Duran Duran
The Go- Go's
Soundgarden
Diana Ross

2024:
Smashing Pumpkins
The Guess Who
Bad Company
The Smiths
King Crimson
Dionne Warwick

2025:
INXS
Scorpions
New York Dolls
Beck
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Dave Matthews Band

2026:
Foreigner
Carly Simon
LL Cool J
Thin Lizzy
Joy Division/New Order
Willie Nelson

2027:
Blue Oyster Cult
Todd Rundgren
The Pixies
Carole King
Salt N' Pepa
Alice In Chains

2028:
Grand Funk Railroad
Iron Maiden
Cyndi Lauper
Devo
The Spinners
Dionne Warwick

2029:
Motley Crue
Boston
Husker Du
Kate Bush
Mariah Carey
Tommy James and the Shondells

2030:
Supertramp
X
Kool and the Gang
John Denver
Rainbow
Olivia Newton-John

OK. Probably missed a few, like The Monkees, Peter, Paul and Mary, Harry Nillson, Jim Croce and others, but by 2030, just throwing it out there.. Actually like that 2030 class..

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 00:09am


K-Dawg,

Excellent post on the Class of 2012. You go a little further than me in your like of the Beastie Boys. I told you my 2 main tunes are She's Crafty and Fight for Your Right to Party. I only heard of Intergalactic. Never heard it.

Great thoughts on Donovan as well as Guns n'Roses. Donovan encapsulates the Woodstock sound and Feel I agree. And of course Guns n'Roses came along during the middle of the Hair band era. But their sound was different.I remember I was listening to a bands like Dokken and Cinderella and then came GnR. I certainly see GnR as the last rock superstars of the traditional 80s rock era. Nice writing on them. No need to repeat it all.

I embraced Laura Nyro to some extent. I am Not a huge fan of her. But she is a great songwriter who wrote great songs for Three Dog Night and 5th Dimension. Not everyone is in tune with her. I do take a pass on the Faces for the same reason. It was an excuse for a double nomination of Rod Stewart. There was such a backlog of 70s Rock by 2012. So this was a wasted nomination.

That brings me to Red HCP. It runs about the same for us. I also caught RHCP in the late 80s with "Mother's Milk". They were quite different in sound; the funky quartet really had their own sound. They did give me a sense of a strange sound. Under the Bridge is played out pure and simple. I dig songs like Give it Away and Breaking the Girl more.I am Not a huge fan but I like a bunch of their songs. I'll see you with 2013 reviews. I am Not finished with those, I just did Public Enemy. Donna Summer is next in my series

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 04:40am


Will N.,

Awesome list of your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next ten years (2021-2030), but I have to tell you something, You listed Dionne Warwick twice in 2024 and 2028, I think that you should replace Dionne with another act in one of those two years.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 09:19am


Ben, thanks. I will say, I am a huge Dokken fan and put them far above the traditional 80s hair band fare. To be honest, though, I do like Poison as well. On Dokken, their music sounds a bit more like traditional rock and doesn't have that poppy feel that so many 80s hair/glam bands had, and I will try to put them on a pedestal above the workaday bands that were hair today and gone tomorrow in the blink of an eye.

Yes, I'm being cliché heavy today, but I do place their sound on the same level with GnR. You mention them, and I see them, if anyone from that genre should be considered, as a worthy candidate for the RRHOF for originality. Of course, their lack of success won't help them.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 10:20am


Ben, thanks. I will say, I am a huge Dokken fan and put them far above the traditional 80s hair band fare. To be honest, though, I do like Poison as well. On Dokken, their music sounds a bit more like traditional rock and doesn't have that poppy feel that so many 80s hair/glam bands had, and I will try to put them on a pedestal above the workaday bands that were hair today and gone tomorrow in the blink of an eye.

Yes, I'm being cliché heavy today, but I do place their sound on the same level with GnR. You mention them, and I see them, if anyone from that genre should be considered, as a worthy candidate for the RRHOF for originality. Of course, their lack of success won't help them.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 10:20am


Here's the latest update on the most certified bands in America who are not in the Hall with the inclusion of singles, EP's, video albums, video singles and ringtones. You'll be surprised how much success they had made so far if you're new to the Rock Hall community. Hope you guys enjoy a list!

1. Maroon 5- 121.5 Million
2. Linkin Park- 63.6 Million
3. Florida Georgia Line- 56 Million
4. Twenty One Pilots- 48.5 Million
5. Alabama- 46.8 Million
6. Foreigner- 45.5 Million
7. Panic! At the Disco- 38 Million
8. Coldplay- 36.6 Million
9. Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million
10. Rascal Flatts- 33.7 Million
11. Fall Out Boy- 33 Million
12. Dixie Chicks- 32.8 Million
13. Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million
14. Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million
15. Boston- 31 Million
16. Imagine Dragons- 30 Million
17. The Carpenters- 29.6 Million
18. Lady Antebellum- 28.05 Million
19. Nickelback- 27.8 Million
20. Motley Crue- 26.8 Million
21. REO Speedwagon- 26 Million
22. Creed- 26 Million
23. 3 Doors Down- 25. 8 Million
24. Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million
25. OneRepublic- 24 Million
26. Sade- 23.5 Million
27. Kansas- 23 Million
28. Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million
29. The Fray- 22.5 Million
30. Paramore- 22 Million
31. Fun- 22 Million
32. Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million
33. Daughtry- 20 Million
34. Three Days Grace- 20 Million
35. The Monkees- 18 Million
36. Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million
37. Styx- 17.5 Million
38. Korn- 17.25 Million
39. Limp Bizkit- 17 Million
40. Bad Company- 16.650 Million
41. Shinedown - 16.550 Million
42. Disturbed- 16.5 Million
43. Casting Crowns- 16.5 Million
44. Sugarland- 16 Million
45. INXS- 16 Million
46. Wings- 16 Million
47. Poison- 15.750 Million
48. No Doubt- 15.6 Million
49. Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million
50. Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million
51. The Offspring- 15 Million
52. The Cranberries- 15 Million
53. Breaking Benjamin- 15 Million
54. The Band Perry- 14.5 Million
55. Evanescence- 14.5 Million
56. Dan + Shay- 14.5 Million
57. Duran Duran- 14 Million
58. Toto- 14 Million
59. My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million
60. Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million
61. Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million
62. Counting Crows- 13 Million
63. Skilliet- 13 Million
64. Whitesnake- 12.650 Million
65. The Killers- 12.6 Million
66. MercyMe- 12.6 Million
67. Survivor- 12.5 Million
68. Blink 182- 12.1 Million
69. Live- 12 Million
70. Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million
71. Little Big Town- 11.5 Million
72. Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million
73. Savage Garden- 11.5 Million
74. Judas Priest- 11.1 Million
75. Scorpions- 11.1 Million
76. All American Rejects- 11.1 Million
77. Loverboy- 11 Million
78. Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million
79. Owl City- 11 Million
80. Three Dog Night- 11 Million
81. X Ambassadors- 11 Million
82. Old Dominion- 11 Million
83. Godsmack- 10.6 Million
84. Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million
85. 38 Special- 10.5 Million
86. Florence and the Machine- 10.5 Million
87. Bush- 10.5 Million
88. Muse- 10.5 Million
89. Men at Work- 10.5 Million
90. The Black Keys- 10.5 Million
91. Slipknot- 10.2 Million
92. Staind- 10.050 Million
93. Sublime- 10 Million
94. Clean Bandit- 10 Million
95. Air Supply- 9.5 Million
96. Foster the People- 9.5 Million
97. 5 Seconds of Summer- 9.5 Million
98. Tool- 9.3 Million
99. Rage Against the Machine- 9.3 Million
100. Goo Goo Dolls- 9.1 Million

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 11:36am


Most of these bands aren't even eligible yet, and/or musically worthy...so WhoTF cares???
#itsnotallaboutsalesstupid

Posted by KXB on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 12:07pm


Maroon 5-Noooo
Linkin Park-FYE if not, give it 2 years after eligible
FGL-Bro Country is a fad that should not have existed
TOP-Too out there
Alabama-IDK
Foreigner-Could be used as bait to get Rock purists to see the Hall
Panic!-Not really a critical darling
Coldplay-5+ after eligibility
DMB-Could take a whole decade to have them back in the ballot
Rascal Flatts-Really?
Fall Out Boy-See Panic
Dixie Chicks-Came and went
Zac Brown-Do people still care about him?
Brooks and Dunn-IDK
Boston-Going to say no
ID-Please God No!
Nickelback-It's scary knowing people unironically like them
Sade-Enig will hate me, but no
Paramore-Deserving and hope to get in as an FYE
Three Dog Night-IDK
Slipknot-We still got ways to go for the 2000s retrospective to kick in
Bush-IDK
Muse-Seen as Diet Radiohead
The Black Keys-Deserving to be FYE
Godsmack-IDK
Sublime-Probably not
38 special-IDK
Foster the People-One Hit Wonders
Live-IDK
Blink-182 -Probably when the 2000s start being eligible
Jonas Bros-Why?!
Clean Bandit-IDK
Owl City-One Hit Wonders
Dan + Shay-IDK
All American Rejects-Came and went
Toto-Again as rock purist bait
Duran Duran-Definitely will be considered and I hope it's after The Smiths and JD/NO
STAINDT-IDK
Lover boy-One Hit Wonders
Grand Funk Railroad-I hope to God they are NEVER considered
Cage the Elephant-Came and went
Jethro Tull-Probably the next Prog act to get in
Savage Garden-No
Whitesnake-Def Leppard covers the hair metal base
The Killers-Probably will be FYE because of Brendan Flowers
Scorpions-They will probably only allow Kraftwerk as the only German act
Men At Work-Memes
Judas Priest-Give or take 5 years
Survivor-Seen as the Rocky Band
LBT-IDK
The Cranberries-Do they have hits that's not Zombie?
The Offspring-Never critical darlings
Foo Fighters-Dave Grohl please bless us to have a good year for the Hall...You are the one thing that makes the ceremony awesome
Mercy me-IDK
Tool-Probably when all the classic prog acts are in
RATM-Probably this year
GGD-probably not
Wings-McCartney and his bitches
Breaking Benjamin-IDK
Sugar land-Hey that's where I live! Also no
No Doubt-Gwen gonna get another Chaka Khan situation once she is eligible
Styx-Diet Queen
Disturbed-Heavy Metal still gets no respect
Old Dominion-IDK
Creed-Really?
Fun-Came and went
Korn-Nu Metal will only be recognized with Linkin Park
Florence and the Machine-Probably
Air Supply-Noooo
5 seconds of Summer-No
Skilliet-IDK
Poison-See Whitesnake
Shine down-Idk
Motley Crue-Banned
Matchbox Twenty-Probably
The Carpenters-Really????? Come on guys.....
Daughtry-One Hit wonders
3 Doors Down-No
Mumford and Sons-Nickelback with a hipster edge
The Monkees-Probably never
Huey Lewis-Nope...seen as a joke
MCR-Probably

That's I have to say...I probably missed some

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 12:07pm


The reason I'm bitching about The Dude's list cause I'm a whiner who doesn't know how to contribute in the Rock Hall community.

#I'mapussywhoisbornwithoutapenis

Posted by KXB on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 12:23pm


My belated thoughts on the 2020 inductees:
Depeche Mode-Freakin' yes and New Wave is finally being recognized! Loved these the guys the moment I started listening to music. Hope they push for Kraftwerk next year!
NIN-Hell yeah! Trent is getting love and I'm full on board. Adds more to the 90s music scene.
Biggie Smalls-I'm probably in the minority, but I always liked hip-hop/rap and Biggie is no different. FYE for sure.
Whitney Houston-I'm probably gonna get hate for this, but honestly I don't really find her to be so special as many people have said. Was it sad she died young? Yeah. Still I honestly don't get the hype the Rock Hall Watchers keep parading about for her (Looking at you Kristen from WCATRH?)
Doobie Brothers-Solid classic rock.....has the requirements....like both Tom Johnston and Michael McDonald era
T. Rex-If there was a list of the most overlooked bands of all time, T. Rex would make the list. The amount of people they influenced is staggering and well deserved. Marc Bolan and the gang finally get their due.

As for the nominees:
PB-Next year
Soundgarden-Next Year
Motörhead-Probably in 5 years
Judas Priest-Give or take 5 years
Thin Lizzy-Again 5 years
MC5-If they keep their streak, I can see them in 2023
Rufus/Chaka Kahn-Probably when Khan dies
DMB-Lol, honestly I feel bad for the fans, but hey it's the Hall at this point they don't care
Kraftwerk-Their chances get better with nom after nom; Hope they can get in legitimately
Todd Rundgren-Probably won't be considered again due to his poor showing and being incredibly critical on the Hall

Class Grade: A

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 14:20pm


Which 2020 nominee do you guys see being inducted next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 21:51pm


Richie,
Thanks. Yes I noticed I had listed Dionne Warwick twice, after I posted and then reread it. So I will leave her in for 2024, and then for 2028 I will replace her with the obvious choice, The Replacements.. OK, done..

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 03/3/2020 @ 23:01pm


Next in line to cover is Donna Summer who was also inducted in 2013. Donna Summer is the Queen of Disco. She gained a lot of popularity during the disco era of the late 70s. Yeah I know I'm a Rock guy but Donna Summer is deserved for the hall. She was overdue and finally inducted in 2013.

She met music producer Georgio Morodor in Europe around the early 70s where they recorded popular disco hits like Love to Love You Baby and I Feel Love. Summer returned to the United States in 1975 and other hits such as "Last Dance",MacArthur Park","Heaven Knows", "Hot Stuff", "Bad Girls", "Dim All the Lights", " and "On the Radio" came along.

Summer had 12 Top 10 hits between 1975 and 1982. She returned to the Top 10 in 1983 with "She Works Hard for the Money.". and had her final Top 10 hit in 1989 with "This Time I Know It's For Real". Summer died in May 2012 from lung cancer. She is one of the best-selling music artists of all time. I like a couple tunes from her. I like Last Dance and Hot Stuff. Those are the 2. I didn't mind those as Young teenager. I am Rock guy and also more traditional R&B NOT disco.. But I feel bad she wasn't inducted while alive. That's Donna Summer. My 2 favs for 2013 are coming. Some great terrific Rock.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/4/2020 @ 05:31am


2020 Canadian Music Hall Of Fame

Jann Arden
Pegi Cecconi

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 03/4/2020 @ 13:29pm


Which 2020 nominee do you guys see being inducted next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/4/2020 @ 20:16pm


Richie,

Pat and Soundgarden.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 08:50am


Which past nominees do you guys see being inducted next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 09:49am


Pat Benatar, Thin Lizzy and maybe Soundgarden if Foo Fighters does not make it as an FYE.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 10:11am


Stay tuned in my Cool series for Heart and Rush. These are my 2 favs for 2013. Heart are one of my Favorite bands and I like Rush quite a bit. These 2 are of interest to Enig. My condolences to Enig and his Family on the Passing of his Mother. She lived a Long life I think he says she lived to 92. I know how it is to lose parents. I lost my Mother in 2015 and my Father in 2018. I did not Post here for a long while after my Father passed away. He was an inspiration to my Whole family. I would say it's the same with Enig's Mother. I am Not sure he is up to Reviews. Hey Enig you said to let you know about 2013 Class. I look for anyone's Feeeback on Series. Heart and Rush are coming. They were both key bands in the. 1970s and 80s.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 10:33am


Because I have too much free time on my hands I decided to look at the previously nominated and analyze their chances:
Johnny Ace-Probably grandfathered in EI
The Chantels-same as Ace
The Dominoes-same as Ace
New York Dolls-Probably when the MC5 get off the ballot or get in
LL Cool J-After Eminem, then he can come back and get in
PB-Next Year
Soundgarden-Next Year
RATM-Next Year
Judas Priest-Like I said, 5 years
Motörhead-5 years
Thin Lizzy-5 years
Kate Bush-5+ years
Chuck Willis-Early Influence
The Meters-probably put in the ME award
The Spinners-Get in when all the original members are dead
Link Wray-Grandfathered in or out through EI
MC5-Continue the streak to 2023 or grandfathered in
DMB-A whole decade to be considered again
Carole King-Probably when she is dead
Khan/Rufus-When Khan is dead
Eurythmics-After Duran Duran, JD/NO, The Smiths, Devo, not high priority now
Gram Parsons-If Emmylou gets in, then he should be considered again
Joe Tex-Grandfathered in
J Geils.-NEVER
Kraftwerk-Get in within 2022
Chic-Probably never now because Niles Rodgers is in there
Sting-When he is dead
The Replacements-Whole Decade to get to them
Esther Phillips-Grandfathered
Ben E. King-Grandfathered
Mary Wells-Grandfathered
Steve Winwood-Traffic is in, what's the point?
War-5+ years
The Marvelettes-Grandfathered
The Smiths-After JD/NO
Los Lobos-NEVER
Bad Brains-10+ years
Eric B. And Rakim-After LL Cool J and OutKast
Procol Harum-10+ years
Sir Douglas Quintet-NEVER
Jane's Addiction-5+ years
Devo-After the heavy hitters of the 80s alt are in
Conway Twitty-NO
Afrika Bambataa-10+ years
John Prine-LOL, 10+ Years
The J.B.s-Probably ME
Steppenwolf-Grandfathered
Todd Rundgren-When he changes his mind

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 11:58am


Oh yeah The Smiths, probably after JD/NO

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 12:00pm


remy10,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next ten years (2021-2030)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 16:45pm


richie,

It is really hard to figure out what is going to happen next year, let alone 10 years from now. With the change in leadership I'm hopeful we see some changes in how things are done.

I guess I'm hoping to see Soundgarden, Kate Bush, Pat Benatar and The Eurythmics return to the ballot. Maybe some long forgotten nominees like The New York Dolls, The Spinners or Eric B. & Rakim.

I would predict we will see The Smiths or Duran Duran, Kraftwerk, Jay-Z, RATM and Bad Company. Personally hoping for Tommy James & the Shondells, The Shangri-Las, New Order, Carole King and Iron Maiden.

And richie, you should try to find different ways to create discussions on this site. Repeating the exact same thing over and over just gets tedious. We all love talking about this ridiculous hall of fame but you have to change it up. I think everyone would appreciate different questions.

Let me ask you two questions. Do you think we will see any more acts from the 1960s make it in, or have we completely moved past the decade? And secondly what do you think will happen with Kraftwerk? Will they get in as a performer, as an early influence, or will the committee just give up? I'm curious to know your thoughts. Talk to you soon.

Posted by remy10 on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 19:20pm


"Do you think we will see any more acts from the 1960s make it in, or have we completely moved past the decade?"

-remy10

With Whitney Houston now in, Dionne Warwick SHOULD be around the corner by now for next year's class. The new head of the Rock Hall Foundation wants to have two ceremonies yearly. One night for the 50's and 60's, and one for 70's, 80's, and 90's. The Rock Hall is all about music history after World War II imo, so we shouldn't think forward too much nor backwards.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 20:07pm


The Dude,

As much as I love Dionne Warwick, I just don't see her getting nominated next year (let alone being inducted) IMO, so I really think that either Mariah Carey, Tina Turner or Cher will get nominated next year and then get inducted, I just don't see Dionne Warwick ever getting nominated (let alone being inducted) IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 20:27pm


But what specifically makes you think Dionne Warwick is someone who can't get a Rock Hall nomination? There's definitely a strong case for her candidacy. She's one of the best-selling artists of all time. She performed several big hits including 'Walk On By,' 'Do You Know the Way to San Jose?' and 'I Say a Little Prayer' (among many others). Maybe her psychic persona later on in her career hurt her a bit, but she has one of the most sophisticated voices in modern music. And it's kinda sad that all of Dionne's Friends are inducted and she's on the outside looking in.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 22:43pm


Ben,
Donna Summer was how I became interested in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Besides Diana Ross and Madonna, Summer is my mother's favorite singer. She loved disco and pop music in the 70s and early 80s. When Summer passed away in 2012, something I noticed in a lot of the articles and news pieces I read mentioned her not getting into the Rock Hall while she was still alive. Although I always had an understanding of the Rock Hall, my interest was tepid at best. The Summer of 2012 is when I became more interested in the Rock Hall. I started conducting research and reading as much information as possible to try and understand not only the history/culture of the institution, but why someone like Donna Summer could be snubbed 4 times and died before she could be inducted. I started visiting FRL around this time and read the comments, initially too scare to chime in on the conversations (perhaps my lack of knowledge at the time made me insecure). Anyway, Summer was nominated for the 5th time in 2012 and got enough votes for 2013 induction. It's a bittersweet moment because the Rock Hall and its voters had plenty of times to get her inducted during her lifetime. Of course they didn't realize she would pass away, but it's one of the great tragedies in the history of the institution. Perhaps the disco stigma hurt in the eyes of many, but Summer is one of the most significant and revolutionary musical artists in the late 20th century. Although she was rightfully hailed as the 'Queen of Disco,' Summer was a singular talent who redefined female sexuality in pop music. From my perspective, she was the first modern diva who paved the way for so many others. I was thrilled when she announced as an inductee and it made me think 'who else is missing from the Rock Hall?' That question continues to fascinates me and now I am an active member of the Rock Hall watcher community in large part because of that question. It's what makes me interested in this institution and I've talked to and met some wonderful like-minded people along the way. And, at least for me, it all go back to Donna Summer's Rock Hall snub from several years ago.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 23:00pm


I still think Dionne needs to get nominated and inducted for next year. The votes are there and she would easily take over the ballot on the voting body. She also needs to be an inductor for her cousin too.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 03/5/2020 @ 23:31pm


I think they'll Early Influence Kraftwerk and give up on the 60's. MC5 was the only real 60's band nominated, so after they get inducted or the Hall gives up on them, the 60's representation will be reduced to the Singles Category.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 03/6/2020 @ 01:07am


Hope MC5 get in, they should probably end the 60s run of nominees. Kraftwerk as an EI is TERRIBLE....don't give them ideas.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 03/6/2020 @ 01:22am


I love Dionne Warwick, but I've come to the conclusion she will never get in (at least during her lifetime). She's been eligible for many years.

The voters all know about her. She was a huge star back in the 60s.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 03/6/2020 @ 07:05am


I guess my take on Dionne Warwick is she is one of those inexplicable oversights. She's someone who has the hits, influence and career to be a no-brainer, but she's never been nominated. I agree with Paul; if she hasn't been nominated by now it just doesn't seem likely.

I put her in with a number of other acts that in my mind should have been in two decades ago, but for whatever reason have been ignored. Procol Harum, Mary Wells, The New York Dolls, Gram Parsons and Carole King are other examples. At least most of them have been nominated.

Posted by remy10 on Friday, 03/6/2020 @ 08:28am


I now continue my Series with Heart and then Rush. 2 Very fine Rock bands that started in the 1970s but were snubbed before 2013. I am a Rock guy,so I love these 2 Inductees. Heart is one of my favorite bands of all time. They were inducted in 2013. They are very deserved and were overdue by late 2012. That's when they were nominated and then Inducted. They formed in Seattle,Washington around 1973 and the vocalists have have always been the lovely sisters Ann and Nancy Wilson.

Heart rose to success around 1976 with music influenced by Hard rock and flok music. That was an interesting combination at the time. Their success declined in the early 1980s but in 1985 Heart had a huge comeback with lots of Hard Rock songs and ballads.

Some of my favorite albums by Heart are Dreamboat Annie,Little Queen and Dog and Butterfly. They originally found success with radio hits like Magic Man,Barracuda and Straight On. Combining music from progressive rock,hard rock and folk Heart's 1976 debut Dreamboat Annie and the 1977 album Little Queen were amazing. In Enig's absence I will say that this can make them prog adjacent. I never heard that term until Enig on here.
Dreamboat Annie and Little Queen both sold very for Heart. Some of my favorite songs by Heart are magic Man,Barracuda,Love Alive,Dream of the Archer, Straight On,Dog and Butterfly,Lighter Touch and What About Love.

There were romance in Heart for both Ann and Nancy Wilson. After Dog & Butterfly, both of the Wilson/Fisher romances ended and Roger Fisher left the group. In 1980, Heart released Bebe le Strange; following a long U.S. tour, both Fossen and Derosier exited and were replaced by ex-Spirit and Firefall bassist Mark Andes and drummer Denny Carmassi. After 1982's Private Audition and 1983's Passionworks slumped, the group was largely written off by industry watchers, and moved to Capitol Records.
n 1985, however, Heart emerged with a self-titled effort that ultimately sold more than five million copies it was launching four Top Ten hits: "What About Love," "Never," the huge "These Dreams," and "Nothin' at All." Arriving in 1987, Bad Animals continued their comeback success; "Alone" was another number one hit, and both "Who Will You Run To" and "There's the Girl" hits as well. Brigade, issued in 1990, featured the number two smash "All I Want to Do Is Make Love to You" as well as the Top 25 hits "I Didn't Want to Need You" and "Stranded." In the early '90s, the Wilson sisters took a brief hiatus from Heart to form the Lovemongers, an acoustic quartet in 1992, they issued a four-song EP that included a cover of Led Zeppelin's "The Battle of Evermore". Heart returned with other albums in the mid 90s. In 2012 Heart released a retrospective Box set. And in 2013 were gratefully inducted to the RnR Hall of Fame

Posted by Ben on Friday, 03/6/2020 @ 08:48am


I'm of two minds about the Kraftwerk EI idea. On the one hand it kind of makes sense if you're defining the criteria for inductees as any music that can trace its stylistic origins to 40s/50s blues, because Kraftwerk kind of exists outside of that world, despite having influenced many artists inside of it.

On the other hand, it makes the early influence category super non-cohesive. It's like, you have Robert Johnson, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Woody Guthrie, and... Kraftwerk??? One of these things is not like the other.

I would lean towards waiting to induct them as a regular performer. They're too jarringly different from the rest of the Early Influences, and inducting Miles Davis is a precedent for inducting an artist from an entirely separate genre that influenced many in the Rock Hall genre umbrella.

Posted by RG on Friday, 03/6/2020 @ 12:21pm


RG,

Who do you see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 03/6/2020 @ 12:40pm


I agree with Paul on Dionne Warwick NOT being inducted. Don't know how innovative Warwick was and I don't remember her doing a punk or heavy metal album. Very good voice but you could induct Barbra Streisand, Connie Francis, and Lesley Gore just the same. Remember her from Solid Gold. She was 1 of the hosts.
On Heart: The 1985 Heart album was a monster record. What a comeback! Great songwriting on those songs. Alone, These Dreams, What About Love. They could have waited on Heart RRHOF. I would say Heart for RRHOF would be perfect for this class coming around. Very influential for women rock artists and musicians. Nancy Wilson was 1 of the first female guitarists I can remember. Very attractive and talented. Good vocalist as well on These Dreams. Ann Wilson still regarded as 1 of the best singers. The other musicians in Heart were underrated.
On Rush: I honestly can say they never interested me enough to buy their CD's. My FAV songs from Rush are Fly By Night, Time Stands Still, and Tom Sawyer. Master musicians no doubt. Never was a fan of Geddy Lee's vocals. It was good to see Rush inducted. KING always gives credit where it is due.
On Jackie DeShannon: A KING FAV and will receive my vote again in October.
The HOF should just give Kraftwerk one of those special awards Influence or Musical Excellence. Kraftwerk I think has been rejected 5 or 6 times now. Kraftwerk should have been more vocal nomination time about their importance to music. Like these FRL projects, stating your case is very helpful in receiving nomination and induction. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 03/6/2020 @ 12:53pm


Rush was inducted and even headlined in 2013. They are also Very deserved in the Hall. Rush is known for its musicianship,complex songsand deep lyrics. The band's style has changed over the years,from a straight hard rock start ,later moving into progressive rock. There was even a synthesizer phase . In the early 1990s returned to a straight Hard Rock sound. In the absence of EnigI will say that they are a part of the trilogy of Prog. I can agree with that This includes the Moody Blues,Yes and Rush. I am not a huge fan like Enig but I like a few of their albums. They interested me enough to buy some of their cds but only a few. My favorite albums from Rush are 2112,Moving Pictures,Signals and Power Windows. They are master musicians. I am not the biggest fan of Geddy Lee's Vocals. It really depends on the album.

The famous line up of Geddy Lee,Alex Lifeson and Neil Peart emerged in 1974. By 1975 Rush had released 3 albums.
In 1976 2112 became their breakthrough release. It's a futuristic concept album. It was the first in a long line of big albums.
A Farewell to kings followed in 1977 and there was Hemispheres in 1978. These made Rush very known for Progressive Rock. Rush achieved even greater popularity with 1980's Permanent Waves, a record marked by the group's dramatic shift into shorter, less-sprawling compositions; the single "The Spirit of Radio" even became a major hit at radio. With 1981's Moving Pictures, they hit big with "Tom Sawyer," and "Red Barchetta." Tom Sawyer garnered heavy exposure on album-oriented radio and became what is probably the trio's best-known song. As the '80s continued, Rush grew into a phenomenally popular live draw, as albums like 1982's Signals (which generated the smash "New World Man"), 1984's Grace Under Pressure, and 1985's Power Windows continued to sell millions of copies. I saw Rush at Madison Square Garden in Dec. 1982 during the Signals tour. It's the only time I saw them.

As the 80s drew to a close, the trio cut back on their touring schedule. In the studio, they were exploring more deeper, synth-driven efforts exemplified by 1987's Hold Your Fire (that featured Aimee Mann duetting with Lee on the charting title track single). At the dawn of the '90s, however, Rush returned to the heavier sound of their early records and placed a renewed emphasis on Lifeson's guitar sound--1991's Roll the Bones and 1993's Counterparts reached the Top Three on the U.S. album charts. In 1994, Rush were inducted into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame. In 1996, the band issued Test for Echo and headed for the road the following summer. In 1997, Peart lost his daughter in an automobile accident. I read about this very recently. The following year Peart's wife succumbed to cancer and he took a three year break from music. In early 2001, he rejoined his bandmates, but it would be years before Vapor Trails was released. A concert from the supporting tour was released to Dvd as Rush in Rio.
It was a triumph for Rush to be inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame. It paved the way for Yes, Moody Blues and other Prog rock bands to be Inducted, There are some yet to be Inducted. It was great to see Rush inducted,
Rush were inducted in 2013. This indicated that the Hall was catching up on great acts they missed. Their performance was Great. I recall they played 2112 Intro and Tom Sawyer. I think there was a third tune. Heyyy Will N.,this series was originally aimed at Main regulars like you. What is your Take on Albert King, Heart and Rush. You can skip the other 3 if you want. I can see you liking these 3 a lot. This finishes up the 2013 Class

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/7/2020 @ 06:01am


Ben,

Yes, Heart is a prog adjacent artist.

I refer to Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues as being the "holy trinity" of prog.

Rush had certainly deserved induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame long before 2013. Yes had deserved induction long before 2017 and The Moody Blues should have been inducted Into the Rock Hall over 20 years ago, instead of being inducted in 2018. Fortunately, 5 of the biggest prog bands are in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame (Rush, Yes, The Moody Blues, Genesis and Pink Floyd) , unfortunately Procol Harum, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, ELP, Kansas, Styx, Alan Parsons Project, Supertramp and Duran Duran still remain outside of the Rock Hall. However, I think that the inductions of Jethro Tull and Duran Duran will be forthcoming in the very near future.

Perhaps, I will join in on your Rush discussion later this weekend.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 03/7/2020 @ 12:47pm


Who do you guys think will be the next FYN inductees for the Rock Hall?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/7/2020 @ 13:30pm


Enig,

Good to see you back. Before Rush some extra things on Heart. I have been a. Fan of Heart since I'm 14. When I first heard Magic Man as a Teenager I was blown away. By the time I was 17 I owned alll their albums on Record. This is why I can agree with Heart as Prog adjacent . Little Queen has a bunch of deep Tracks like that such as Love Alive and Dream of the Archer. On Dog and Butterfly there is Tracks like Lighter Touch and Nada One that can be Called Prog adjacent. I am sort of to Heart what you are to Rush. Sort of. Maybe NOT as extreme as. That. I will have more chat on Rush later on

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/7/2020 @ 14:13pm


I just hope this year's ceremony won't get cancelled by the Coronavirus Outbreak. I've noticed more and more events have been either cancelled or postponed cause of that.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 03/7/2020 @ 14:50pm


I'm not trying to start World War IV here, but I see the "holy trinity" of prog as being:


Moody Blues for their orchestral, classical contributions

Pink Floyd for the spacier, jazzier style

Grateful Dead for the extended jamming aspects

Posted by joker on Saturday, 03/7/2020 @ 15:19pm


My "Holy Trinity of Prog" is almost the same as Joker's. Instead of the Grateful Dead, it's Rush.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 03/7/2020 @ 16:24pm


My Prog Holy Trinity is
Pink Floyd
Yes
Rush

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 03/7/2020 @ 19:38pm


Hey Guys,

AlexVoltaire's predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next seven years (2021-2027) as he mentioned on his blog northumbriancountdown.wordpress.com are:

In the Year 2021:

Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Dolly Parton

Early Influence

Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence

Carol Kaye and Glen Campbell

In the Year 2022:

Pat Benatar
Cher
Eminem
Eurythmics
OutKast
Warren Zevon

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Bernie Taupin

Musical Excellence

Willie Nelson

In the Year 2023:

The B-52's
Mariah Carey
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
LL Cool J
Weezer

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Jane Scott

Musical Excellence

The Revolution

In the Year 2024:

Coldplay
The Commodores
Destiny's Child
Judas Priest
The Monkees
Oasis

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Bob Geldof

Musical Excellence

Todd Rundgren

In the Year 2025:

Jimmy Buffett
Cyndi Lauper
Rage Against The Machine
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Don Cornelius

Musical Excellence

The Wailers

In the Year 2026:

Beck
Foreigner
Queen Latifah
Motley Crue
Smashing Pumpkins
"Weird Al" Yankovic

Influence

Kraftwerk

Musical Excellence

Chaka Khan

In the Year 2027:

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
Phil Collins
Missy Elliott
Gloria Estefan
No Doubt
The White Stripes

Ahmet Ertegun Award (Non-Performer)

Robert Moog

Early Influence

Patsy Cline

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 03/7/2020 @ 20:34pm


A couple thoughts on Heart. Ann and Nancy Wilson hail from the music hotbed of Seattle, Washington. They originate in the male-dominated rock scene of the mid-1970s where the rock love ballad was first popularized. They easily could have gone in a pop direction, which would have been more like punk in the time. They chose to prove that they could more than hold their own against the guys. Magic Man, Barracuda (an anthem against taking a pretty face for just a pretty face), and Crazy On You are some of the hardest guitar-driven and most iconic songs of the time, to this day instantly recognizable to almost anyone. With others, like Love Alive and Dog and Butterfly (a personal favorite that I have never seen get much love), they proved they had the folk sound too...it can be construed as a country style, but if you look at the body of work, it really meshes well with their harder stuff. Heart is a classic example of a well-rounded 70s rock band that checks all the boxes as one of the greats. Ann's vocal range only enhances their style, matched possibly only by Axl and his bipolar larynx. They did evolve in the 1980s to fit more of the style, but they sounded like what you would consider an 80s rock band, much as Pat Benatar did as a trailblazer solo female rock artist. Sounds got heavier in the 80s with the advent of speed metal, and Heart made a choice to stick to the Billboard charting style a bit more. Their self-titled 1985 album is my favorite, particularly the song "Never", and I have always seen this as their second phase of this career. They did kind of fade into a little obscurity in the mid-90s, but they did come roaring back in 2012 with "Fanatic", which is a classic hard rock album with a sound so rarely heard anymore on the radio. If you get a chance, check it out with the title track and "Mashallah" being very good songs that obviously rarely see play on public airwaves. They aren the quintessential band that proved women weren't all destined to be in R&B/Hip Hop groups or Dance/Disco acts, not that there's a bit wrong with that, but gender should not be a consideration when ranking the best music, and the ladies can rock every bit as well as the men.
I'll hit on the others of 2013, especially Rush and Public Enemy, a bit later.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 03/9/2020 @ 16:35pm


Quick question:

If gender should not be a consideration when ranking the best music and the Wilson sisters were the Wilson brothers instead, with all the music exactly the same; would this band have still been inducted into the Hall of Fame or would they have been seen as just another Led Zeppelin knock off?

Posted by joker on Monday, 03/9/2020 @ 18:04pm


I have an announcement to make. You wouldn't think the Coronavirus Outbreak would affect my series. This year's Ceremony could get cancelled by the Coronavirus Outbreak. So since we don't know for sure that it will take place due to this Outbreak and concern I will extend my series to 2017. This way there is more time to see what happens with this year's ceremony in April. If I end the series earlier then I would tend to predict the Performances and Inductors. It then may be for nothing. There is No point predicting how this ceremony will be if it don't happen. Since I am doing this cool Past inductee series already I will extend it slightly. This opposite of cutting it short. I can extend it.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/9/2020 @ 20:34pm


Which 70's acts/bands do you guys see being nominated next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/10/2020 @ 00:16am


70's acts that could potentially get are Bad Company, Foreigner, Boston, Carole King, Carly Simon, Warren Zevon, Thin Lizzy, New York Dolls and Todd Rundgren.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 03/10/2020 @ 03:02am


Which 80's acts/bands do you guys see being nominated next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/10/2020 @ 09:09am


Joker,

I think that if Heart were all male, they would be seen as nothing but Zeppelin knockoffs. But they also might not have been as famous at all, so being female fronted was Hearts claim to fame as much as their music.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 03/10/2020 @ 18:02pm


Agree with Follower on Heart to a point.. Yes, they may not have ever achieved success without Ann and Nancy. Nor would they have ever covered any Led Zeppelin. Ann and Nancy were the huge fans of Zeppelin. Since they were the leaders and driving force of the band, Heart would never had existed if not for them. Had they been born Male and named Stan and Randy, with similar musical styles than maybe there is a point to this, but I doubt it.
Since the topic is about Heart, and Ben has offered the opportunity to elaborate on this great, groundbreaking band, I will throw in my two cents, since I had been meaning to. So Ben it is Flashback Time again, as this is my personal visceral experience with Heart, not some analytical analogy. Heart's first album, Dreamboat Annie is very significant for me because it is just one of those moments in time where an album or piece of music becomes a part of your life. Kind of like Enig with Hemispheres by Rush, or anyone here that has those special influential experiences that you may not realize until much later, but may have made an impact in your musical direction in life. No Big Deal, but back in the Summer of 1976, when Dreamboat Annie was brand new and popular, and pretty much any summer in that time period when school was out, a bunch of us close friends of guys would camp out a lot. Build a camp, steal or acquire some brew, get a fire going, and just enjoy your free summer time. Most parents didn't care, it was kind of a natural thing in the country. We would venture into town at night illegally, because there was a curfew, looking to avoid the keystone cops, and hopefully not get into trouble. One summer night some high school girls were also camping out in a Winnebago, and one guy's girlfriend was there, so we went to party there. Like I say, no big deal, we just hung out all night, fooling around, and the music playing was Dreamboat Annie. But for those of you who have experienced the playing of an 8-track, it will just play continuously , over and over, which it did probably 5 times and we did not care, it just became better and better each time and weaved itself into the experience of the night. Moments like that become ingrained into your self being. I'm sure everyone has that type of musical and life experience and I have had many. It is just the talk and the topic of Heart triggers that sort of memory, and being 16 at the time, stuff like that gets embedded in your chemistry. I enjoy most all of the music by Heart, including Dog and Butterfly, Little Queen, and the 80's stuff as well, but Dreamboat Annie will always have that special place..

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 03/10/2020 @ 23:25pm


Which 80's acts/bands do you guys see being nominated next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/10/2020 @ 23:31pm


Richie
1980's Artists 10
1. Bryan Adams
2. Duran Duran
3. The Eurythmics
4. The Replacements
5. Tina Turner (Solo)
6. Billy Idol
7. The Smiths
8. INXS
9. Pat Benatar
10. Cyndi Lauper
My guess Pat Benatar returns, Duran Duran earns 1st nomination, Bryan Adams or The Eurythmics. That's how KING sees it. I think Diana Ross or Tina Turner takes Chaka Khan's spot. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 03/11/2020 @ 05:06am


Will N.,

That was an amazing post on Heart. No Big Deal, but back in the Summer of 1976, when Dreamboat Annie was brand new and popular, I was in Sleepaway Camp and I was 11 years old. Heart hit me when I was 13 in 1978. I would sneak over to a Radio in the House when my parents weren't using it Most parents didn't care, it was kind of a casual thing. I would go to the Radio from time to time. I did NOT have my own yet. One night in the Fall I snuck over to the Radio. Like you, no big deal, I just hung out at the Radio. It was AM radio Still, the music playing was Magic Man. I did not Own 8 Tracks at all but I noticed albums Frampton Comes Alive and Dreamboat Annie on 8 Track in stores. You on the other hand hung out all night, fooling around, and the music playing was Dreamboat Annie. It seems like you listened all night to it on 8 Track. Thats a great story. Now when I was 16 or I bought Bebe Le Strange.I was mesmerized by that album and and went backwards to buy Dreamboat Annie, Little Queen and Dog and Butterfly. I enjoy the music of Heart on those albums and also the 80s stuff. Their stuff in the midst of the 80s was cool too. I especially like the Heart album of 1985. You are I think about 5 years older. I was born in 1965. So I was too young in Summer 76 to Camp out with friends. But we run pretty close. We both like Heart a lot. Bebe Le Strange has a simlilar special place for me and Dreamboat Annie is Very very cool too

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/11/2020 @ 07:09am


Will N.,

Before I run off. Heart is a favorite for both of us. Do you have comments on Albert King and Rush also. They are terrific. And maybe perhaps Public Enemy. I am Not a Rap fan but they grabbed my attention in 2013 as a Key Rap group. I have some knowledge of them. I am really just a Jewish Rock guy. But I am acknowledging other genres along the way. 2013 was a great class all around

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/11/2020 @ 07:15am


Which 90's acts/bands do you guys see being nominated next year for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 03/11/2020 @ 09:19am


If you could remove anyone from the Hall other than Percy Sledge, Stevie Nicks, Laura Nyro and Bon Jovi, who would it be?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 03/11/2020 @ 18:30pm


@ Follower

I know this is not the Hall of "acts I love," but If It was based on my preferences in music, these acts from the class of 2007 through this year would be out.

The Doobie Brothers
Whitney Houston
Notorious BIG
Janet Jackson
Stevie Nicks (solo)
Tupac Shakur
Joan Baez
Steve Miller
Chicago
NWA
Cat Stevens
Hall & Oates
Donna Summer
Public Enemy
Randy Newman
The Miracles
The Midnighters
The Famous Flames
The Blue Caps
Neil Diamond
Darlene Love
Dr. John
ABBA
Run DMC
Little Anthony & The Imperials
John Mellencamp
Madonna
Leonard Cohen
The Dave Clark Five
The Ronettes
Grandmaster Flash & Furies Five

Replace them with

Joy Division/New Order
Judas Priest
Boston
Motörhead
Mötley Crue
Iron Maiden
B-52's
Devo
Duran Duran
INXS
Tears For Fears
Megadeth
Slayer
Anthrax
Pantera
Soundgarden
Faith No More
Jane's Addiction
Ministry
MC5
Black Flag
Dead Kenndys
Bad Religion
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Ronnie James Dio
Alice In Chains
Primus
The Offspring
Helmet
Kyuss

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 03/11/2020 @ 20:03pm


The worst according to me and I would remove:
Frankie Lymon-Doo Wop groups are good, but there isn't really anything interesting about them or stand out among the others
Joan Jett-She may have popularized the riot girl look, but she realistically only known for two songs both infamous for being on repeat on traditional radio
Paul Butterfield Band-Jann Wenner cronyism and that they got over more interesting acts like NIN in 2015. They played at Woodstock and PB did sing in The Last Waltz, but really not much
Dr. John-If put on the ME category, I wouldn't have mind, but he has nothing of note as a musician (R.I.P. though)
Darlene Love-Gonna get a lot of hate for this, but she mostly contributed in the side than as a solo musician.
Booker T and the M.G.s-See above
Bill Withers-Has a few hits and while very memorable, I doubt people care or cite him as an influence
Little Anthony and the Imperials-Who?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 03/11/2020 @ 20:09pm


Jann S Wenner

Posted by joker on Wednesday, 03/11/2020 @ 20:20pm


In all honesty, nobody should be removed after receiving induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Everybody who has been inducted has, in some way or fashion, positively contributed to the popularity and legacy of Rock and Roll. Sure, some inductees have better cases than others but they all belong.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 03/11/2020 @ 20:34pm


There have been no undeserving inductees (unlistenable inductees, yes, but not undeserving).

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 03/11/2020 @ 21:34pm


Will N.,

That was a terrific post on Heart. I would love to get your thoughts on Albert King and Rush. Also Public Enemy to some extent. I am very curious what you think. Like you, I'm a Rock guy. Heart was my Fav for 2013. I also like Albert King and Rush quite a bit. I am Not a Huge fan of those but a like a whole bunch of their stuff. Public Enemy is interesting. I have Never listened to them much at all. I am No way I am a Rap person. They are Not very listenable to me but they Deserve to be in the Hall. I recognize they were Very known. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/12/2020 @ 08:27am


Hey everyone I am Waiting for Reviews on Albert King, Public Enemy and Rush. In the meantime I read up on the 2020 Ceremony and HBO showing. Right now there is NO mention of Coronavirus. I read that it's May 2. I also learned that it will be Broadcast Live on HBO for First time. That's coool. It still remains if it's Cancelled or Not. My series is extended to 2017. This will still NOT include acts like Cars,Moody Blues and Roxy Music. I have covered those a lot while they were inducted. Stay tuned for 2014 soon. 2013 is the last year in which NO 1990s Grunge was eligible. That changes with 2014. But also includes Peter Gabriel, KISS among others

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/12/2020 @ 10:16am


Follower:

There aren't many I'd remove, but if I could go back in time and stop the following inductions (in addition to Percy Sledge and Laura Nyro) I'd consider it.

Darlene Love - I'd be fine with her getting the Award for Musical Excellence, but not as a solo performer.
Small Faces/Faces - Probably wouldn't even have been nominated if not for Rod Stewart's brief appearance.
Booker T. & The MG's - Sidemen or Musical Excellence.
Del Shannon - Runaway would've been perfect for the singles category.
Whitney Houston - Just not rock and roll at all in my eyes. Incredibly successful and talented but much closer to Barbra Streisand/Barry Manilow than rock.

Posted by Michael W. on Thursday, 03/12/2020 @ 11:31am


I certainly wouldn't remove anyone, but Booker T, Del Shannon, Little Anthony, Darlene Love, Small Faces, and The Dells seem to be on the more marginal side of things. Miles Davis is also a questionable choice, not due to quality or fame or influence, but just because his induction kind of breaks the cohesion of what type of music is in the Hall in a way that even inducting hip hop acts doesn't.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 03/12/2020 @ 12:28pm


They are postponing the 2020 induction ceremony because of the coronavirus!!

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 03/12/2020 @ 14:00pm


Literally, all events have either been cancelled or postponed. I just hope the outbreak won't badly impact the Nom Com and the next ballot.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 03/12/2020 @ 14:45pm


The R&R hall inductions are cancelled due to coronavirus. In other news water is wet and the mourning sky is blue.

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Thursday, 03/12/2020 @ 15:29pm


This is the entire email from the Rock Hall saying the 2020 induction ceremony is postponed (and NOT cancelled as others above are saying):

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
Induction Ceremony Postponed

Thank you for your support of the Rock Hall and our mission to engage, teach, and inspire through the power of rock & roll.

The health and safety of our fans and visitors is our highest priority. Given recent news regarding coronavirus and the urging by Ohio Governor Mike DeWine regarding large public gatherings, we have made the decision to postpone the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony and Induction Week festivities until later this year. Additional details, including new dates and ticket information, will be announced shortly and shared directly with ticket holders and supporters. Details of the rescheduled HBO live broadcast of the event will be announced at a later date as well.

Tickets purchased through Ticketmaster for the Ceremony at Public Hall will be honored for the rescheduled date. Any Induction Fest Gold Passes or Watch Party tickets purchased through the Rock Hall will be refunded, and we will alert you via email of the opportunity to purchase those at a later date.

This week Cleveland Mayor Frank G. Jackson issued a Proclamation of Civil Emergency with the goal of minimizing the impact, severity and duration of COVID-19 as it spreads. "To me, the most important thing is minimizing the impact [of the coronavirus]" said the Mayor. County Executive Armond Budish also issued a State of Emergency declaration yesterday that helped inform our decision.

Meanwhile, we are maintaining normal operating hours at the Museum. Any additional change of plans will be clearly communicated on our website. Please join us in following the preventive measures recommended by the Center for Disease Control:

Wash your hands frequently with soap and water.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth.
Avoid close contact with people who are sick.

If you are experiencing symptoms (fever, cough, and shortness of breath), stay home and take good care of yourself.

Thank you again for your ongoing support of our mission. We look forward
to welcoming you at the Museum and to honoring our 2020 Inductees
with you later this year.

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 03/12/2020 @ 16:13pm


Well look at that. The Ceremony is Postponed. I was pretty sure the Coronavirus would affect the Ceremony in some way. Alright it's NOT Cancelled But postponed. That's Very similar to what I thought. My series is extended due to this. It was very Uncertain what would happen to it. Like all the events around the Country.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/12/2020 @ 21:09pm


The Dude,
Instead of Primus and Kyuss keep the induction of Chicago and Steve Miller (But induct his whole band) and I agree with everything.

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Thursday, 03/12/2020 @ 21:53pm


Using The Dudes artist induction re-dos plus the two changes I made (Chicago and Steve Miller Band instead of Kyuss and Primus) here is the redone classes of 2007 and 2008.
2007
R.E.M
Rush
Yes
Deep Purple
Van Halen
2008
Metallica
Kiss
T.Rex
Genesis
Chicago

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Thursday, 03/12/2020 @ 22:38pm


2009 (I am no longer following The Dudes re-dos because why not. Though it will still be mostly based of his)
Thin Lizzy
Mötorhead
Boston
Judas Priest
Jethro Tull
Nirvana (Hall lets them get in 5 years early due to amount of influence)
2010
RHCP
Iron Maiden
Steve Miller Band
Kraftwerk
Beastie Boys
2011
Alice Cooper
Hall & Oates
King Crimson
ELO
Bachman-Turner Overdrive
2012
Guns N Roses
Heart
Joy Division/New Order
The Cars
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
2013
Cheap Trick
Soundgarden
Pat Benatar
Journey
Dire Straits
2014
Def Leppard
Doobie Brothers
Sparks
INXS
Joe Cocker
2015 (The Alternative Class)
Green Day
Nine Inch Nails
Pixies
Sonic Youth
Leonard Cohen
Jane's Addiction
2016
Smashing Pumpkins
Bon Jovi
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
Foreigner
Devo
2017
Radiohead
Supertramp
The Smiths
38 Special
Pearl Jam
2018
Todd Rundgren
Roxy Music
Bad Company
Moody Blues (After all the changes I made they still get in 2018)
Alanis Morisette
2019
Stone Temple Pilots
Blur
Phish
Pantera
BÖC
Hüsker Dü
2020
Oasis
Weezer
Beck
PJ Harvey
Tears For Fears
2021
Foo Fighters
MC5
Faith No More
B-52s
The Cure
2022
Can
XTC
Uriah Heep
Captain Beefheart
Procal Harum
2023
Slayer
Daft Punk
Megadeth
New York Dolls
Mott The Hoople
Due to the decline of rock the Rock hall decides that there would be one final 15 artist class which is
Coldplay
Queens Of The Stone Age
The White Stripes
Modest Mouse
Muse
The Strokes
The Black Keys
Arctic Monkeys
Lana Del Rey
The Killers
Jeff Buckley
The Go-Gos
Meat Loaf
Warren Zevon
Phil Collins
After that the Rock Hall becomes the music hall and kicks off with a 25 artist class. But that story is for another day.

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Friday, 03/13/2020 @ 00:31am


Here's a fun fact about two acts that were inducted in 2016:

In the 80's, several bands performed power ballads for money. Cheap Trick was one of them, and Cheap Trick were offered two ballads to perform. They chose "The Flame" because they hated that one the least. The other song they were offered, but rejected because they hated it more? Look Away, which was recorded by Chicago. And of course, they were both inducted in the same year.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 03/14/2020 @ 20:58pm


Follower,

I will continue my series on Monday or Tuesday. This can be useful. You are saying that Cheap trick chose their 1988 ballad the Flame to play at 2016 Ceremony. so You say Cheap Trick was also offered Look Away as the other choice but rejected it because they hated it more. It was recorded by Chicago. Or did you mean to say Chicago were offered to perform Look Away but rejected it. Why would Cheap Trick have been offered to perform a Chicago song? Unless it was to be homage to Chicago at the end of Ceremony. I know Cheap Trick closed the 2016 Ceremony. Please explain it all. Just clarify

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/15/2020 @ 07:42am


Follower likely meant that in 1988 Cheap Trick was offered The Flame and Look Away. They chose to do The Flame and rejected Look Away and it was later given to Chicago to record.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 03/15/2020 @ 09:07am


Ohhh. That makes a lot more sense. I thought Follower was talking about the Performances at the 2016 Ceremony . Ohhh In 1988 Cheap Trick was offered 2 Ballads to record. They chose the Flame. GOT it. Ha I was actually Flashing back on 1988 with songs ysterday. BUT did NOT play those songs

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/15/2020 @ 10:28am


Heyy. So I will move on to 2014 Class on Tuesday I think. I guess you guys did the reviews you wanted for 2013. 2014 shall come

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/15/2020 @ 19:32pm


Will N,.

I was hoping for some reviews and stories on the inductees of 2013 besides Heart. We do agree Heart was the best one. Albert King and Rush were good too. I thought you may have had some things to share about them. I acknowledged Public Enemy for their innovation. I am not too knowledgeable on Rap. I was aware of them for sure. Albert King and Rush were very good. I am not a huge fan of Rush. I dig certain albums. I know mostly their albums up to about 1991. Maybe I'll hear from ya today.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/16/2020 @ 04:56am


Ben and Will N.,

Even though Rush had definitely deserved induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, several years prior, I did not think that their induction ceremony had been that spectacular. In my honest opinion, 'The Spirit Of Radio' and 'Tom Sawyer' are good songs, but not their best songs. I would have enjoyed hearing 'Dreamline', 'Ghost Of A Chance' and 'Available Light,' instead. Those are three of their best songs in my honest opinion. However, 'Xanadu' which is in my honest opinion, probably their best song, is probably far too long. The best version is from "Exit.. Stage Left" and it is 12:43 in length. Another great choice would have been 'The Garden' from "Clockwork Angels," but it would have taken a string section, in order to do justice to that great song. So, instead we had been left with a portion of the '2112 Overture,' 'Tom Sawyer' and 'The Spirit Of Radio.' Overall, It had been a good, but not spectacular performance. However, it would be the first induction of a member of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush), which would later lead to the inductions of the other two members of the "holy trinity" of prog (Yes and The Moody Blues).

Regarding their inductors, Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins of the Foo Fighters, I suppose that had been done to appeal to a younger generation.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 03/16/2020 @ 09:03am


Ben,

It may sound like sacrilege, but I actually thought that Heart had given the best performance during that ceremony with 'Crazy On You.' I had also really liked 'I Love L.A.' by Randy Newman and company, 'Born under A Bad Sign,' the tribute to the late great Albert King, with Gary Clark, Jr., John Mayer and Booker T. Jones and the tribute to the late great Donna Summer: 'Last Dance' with Jennifer Hudson more than Rush's performance, believe it or not!

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 03/16/2020 @ 09:24am


Ben,

It may sound like sacrilege, but I actually thought that Heart had given the best performance during that ceremony with 'Crazy On You.' I had also really liked 'I Love L.A.' by Randy Newman and company, 'Born Under a Bad Sign,' the tribute to the late great Albert King, with Gary Clark, Jr., John Mayer and Booker T. Jones and the tribute to the late great Donna Summer: 'Last Dance' with Jennifer Hudson even more than Rush's overall performances, believe it or not!

However, in 4 years, Geddy and Alex would make up for it, when the second member of the 'holy trinity' of prog (Yes) had been inducted and Geddy Lee had played bass (as a tribute to the late great Chris Squire) and the closing jam at the end of the evening, 'Rockin In The Free World,' by Neil Young.

Well, what do you think?

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 03/16/2020 @ 09:32am


Ben,
I had been meaning to write something on my introduction to Rush and there impact on the Rock world. I don't know much about Albert King, except he is a great Rock legend, and what I have heard from him is excellent. I just don't have any records or CD's from him. Will have to listen to a few.. I also am not much of a fan of Rap, maybe a little like LL Cool J, but I know that Public Enemy had a major impact on the direction of Rap and Rock. Donna Summer was a huge talent and I enjoy most of her material, and especially when it first came out in the late 70's and early 80's. I felt she was a bit overdue when inducted, and like most people tend to agree, it would have been great to induct her while still alive.
I will probably write a piece on Rush tonight after work.. Things have been a little haywire lately with all that is going on, plus being busy at work. I tried to early Vote on Saturday but the polling place closed early?? Ben, I read your introduction to Heart with Magic Man. For me, it was "Crazy On You", which was the first single released in America, and got airplay. Surprisingly, it only reached #35 on the Billboard Hot 100, but it did reach the American Top 40, with Casey Kasem for a couple of weeks. I thought it was great and fresh sounding, and I bought the 45 which had that cool Mushroom label. So before hearing the full album that summer, I got turned on by Heart with Crazy On You. One interesting fact I read recently that Nancy Wilson had stated that the fast acoustic rhythm part was inspired by the Moody Blues song, "Question".. Enig probably already knew that , though.

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 03/16/2020 @ 10:32am


Will N.,

Awesome response as always. I look forward to your story of the introduction to Rush. I wasn't sure if you knew Albert King or Not I have a nice Anthology. And yes Public Enemy on the direction of Rap and Rock. Donna Summer is great talent. She should have been inducted while still alive. I have delayed with 2014 because things as you say have been haywire lately with all that's going on Nationwide. The Current ceremony has even been postponed due to this whole thing. I have also been busy with work too. Hey we do have my series. Stay tuned.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/16/2020 @ 19:32pm


Ben,
It is Flashback Time on Rush.. I don't know any other way to describe the impact of Rush, stormtrooping the World of Rock(Sorry, Ted..), than to elaborate on how they initially came to be, and their influence on Rock that came after.
For me in 1975, Rush was an obscure Rock band out of Canada trying to gain their footing in the Rock world being dominated by the likes of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Bad Company, Jethro Tull, Elton John, and some of the other heavy hitters. I am missing a few, I'm sure, but the mid 70's were a breeding ground for new Rock acts, and creativity, Multi-talented musicianship, great new sounds and ideas were flourishing. It may have been the best time and era for Rock music.. There was a flood of new bands entering the scene in all genres, but with Rock I have noticed a boatload of bands with single word names, and some, just one syllable.. Check it out.. Kiss was just getting started. Rush, Kansas, Styx, Supertramp, Nazareth, Foghat, UFO, Angel, Journey.. Queen was already getting popular, and then a little later you have Boston, Starz, Piper, Rainbow, Moxy, Trooper, Utopia, and etc.. You get the picture, just a ton of bands, and I am only referencing the groups with the more concise names. For Rush, they got their foot in the door, and got a strong hold, and just continued to progress from there..

I first heard of Rush in 1975, when a classmate and neighbor mentioned Rush, and he had gotten the Caress Of Steel album, and liked the song Lakeside Park" . Didn't think too much of it, but I was buying the bi- weekly or monthly issued Circus magazines at the time, because they had the latest news and info on Rock bands, and new and upcoming artists. They were doing some news and stories on the rising popularity of Rush. At some point in 1976, before "2112", I purchased the first Rush album, the debut "Rush", which had that explosive cover that just jumped out at you. For 1974, when that LP came out, it kicked total ass. It was devastating Hard Rock at the time, and we Rock fans were into it.. "Finding My Way", "In the Mood", "What You're Doin'", "Need Some Love", "Take A Friend", and one of the all time killer Rush Rock tune "Working Man", highlighted the album. "Working Man" was Rush's Signature song for a few years until 1980 w/ "A Spirit of Radio" from Permanent Waves.. "Closer To The Heart" was somewhat of a Hit in between, but it was more of a slower, ballad type, beautiful song, but not a hard rocker. So while we were jamming on this heavy, hard rocking album by Rush, then "2112" came out and changed the whole ballgame.. Sci-Fi, Bombastic, Futuristic, Conceptual, mesmerizing and overwhelming, it just overtook the Rock world by storm, and still remains possibly the best Rush album, according to some, and given it's relative time and space, it was definitely quite innovative and having massive creative impact. We were just blown away, and probably just absorbed it for the next year. Then finally, a Live album appeared, "All The World's A Stage". This was as close as you were gonna get to Rush in concert, unless you were somehow lucky enough to see them live.. It kicks off with "Bastille Day", features "Fly By Night", "Something For Nothing", "2112", and the epic favorite "By-Tor and The Snow Dog".. This seminal live Rush double LP is to me what "Exit Stage Left" is to Enig, because of the experience. Exit Stage Left is much better production, sound quality, and song selection, it is just because of the initial exposure to the early chapter of Rush, that you tend to lean more to and appreciate and favor those early albums. Although I did not get more into the Fly By Night and Caress Of Steel albums until later on, I would not include them in my Top 10. Besides liking Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures, I really enjoy the early 80's Rush LP's, "Signals" and "Grace Under Pressure", which I would recommend for anyone who has not heard them. Not so much for the hits, but a lot of the accompanying songs such as "Losing It", "Chemistry", "The Enemy Within", "Digital Man", "The Weapon", "Afterimage", and "The Body Electric".. All are fantastic.

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 03/16/2020 @ 23:50pm


Will N.,

Awesome stories on Rush. I do not actually don't know the first couple albums from Rush too well. I know while people were jamming on the early heavy, hard rocking album by Rush, "2112" came out and changed the whole ballgame.. Sci-Fi, Bombastic, Futuristic, Conceptual, mesmerizing and overwhelming, it just overtook the Rock world by storm, and still remains possibly the best Rush album. That's the earliest album I know. it was definitely quite innovative and having massive creative impact. I was just blown away later on when I was 17. and probably just absorbed it for awhile. Besides enjoying Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures I enjoy 80s albums like Signals and Power Windows. Digital Man.The Weapon and Manhattan Project are very good. Those are cool but I am Not a Huge Rush fan. They have lots of album since that I do Not know well at all. They are very deserved in the RnR Hall of Fame. This has been a great way to end the coverage of 2013 Class.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 03/17/2020 @ 05:39am


Will N.,

You have a much different perspective on Rush then I do. I have always regarded their earliest albums as okay, but with the possible exception of "Caress Of Steel," none of them had been monumental recordings as far as I had been concerned. Even "2112" which is so beloved by many Rush fans has not really resonated with me. So, I suppose that I should say that even though, "Hemispheres " had been the studio album which had introduced me to the majestic nature of their works, I had also previously ranked "Caress Of Steel" relatively highly. However, over the past few decades my opinion has changed. I now regard "Caress Of Steel" as just another step in Rush's musical evolution.

As far as Rush's middle period albums are concerned, I still regard "Hemispheres" as one of Rush's greatest studio recordings (#9), "Permanent Waves" is much better still (#6) and "Moving Pictures" represents the superlative studio recording of that era (#5). "A Farewell To Kings" still ranks relatively highly (#13) among Rush's studio albums, but I happen to prefer "Exit... Stage Left" (#1 in all categories) to any of Rush's previously recorded studio output, even though it is their superlative second live album.

As far as Rush's early modern period studio albums are concerned, "Signals" ranks seventh, "Grace Under Pressure" ranks fifteenth, "Power Windows" is third and "Hold Your Fire" is eleventh.

As many of you my favorite Rush studio albums are from the middle modern period, with "Presto" being ranked (#2) and "Roll The Bones being in the pole position (#1) among Rush's studio albums. "Counterparts" is twelfth and "Test For Echo" is tenth.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 03/18/2020 @ 10:18am


Will N.,

You have a much different perspective on Rush then I do. I have always regarded their earliest albums as okay, but with the possible exception of "Caress Of Steel," none of them had been monumental recordings as far as I had been concerned. Even "2112" which is so beloved by many Rush fans has not really resonated with me. So, I suppose that I should say that even though, "Hemispheres " had been the studio album which had introduced me to the majestic nature of their works, I had also previously ranked "Caress Of Steel" relatively highly. However, over the past few decades my opinion has changed. I now regard "Caress Of Steel" as just another step in Rush's musical evolution.

As far as Rush's middle period albums are concerned, I still regard "Hemispheres" as one of Rush's greatest studio recordings (#9), "Permanent Waves" is much better still (#6) and "Moving Pictures" represents the superlative studio recording of that era (#5). "A Farewell To Kings" still ranks relatively highly (#13) among Rush's studio albums, but I happen to prefer "Exit... Stage Left" (#1 in all categories) to any of Rush's previously recorded studio output, even though it is their superlative second live album.

As far as Rush's early modern period studio albums are concerned, "Signals" ranks seventh, "Grace Under Pressure" ranks fifteenth, "Power Windows" is third and "Hold Your Fire" is eleventh.

As many of you are well aware, my favorite Rush studio albums are from the middle modern period, with "Presto" being ranked (#2) and "Roll The Bones being in the pole position (#1) among Rush's studio albums. "Counterparts" is twelfth and "Test For Echo" is tenth.

Their late modern period is a mixed bag with "Vapor Trails" (#14), "Feedback# (#18), "Snakes & Arrows" (#8) and "Clockwork Angels" (#4), as far as studio albums are concerned.

Well, what do you think?
Wednesday, 03.18.20 @ 10:18am

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 03/18/2020 @ 10:31am


It is Now finallly time for the 2014 Class. I get going with Peter Gabriel. He was inducted for his solo career in 2014. He did not Show up with Genesis for their induction. he is very deserved. But he did for his own. After leaving Genesis in 1975,Gabriel started a successful solo career. with Solsbury Hill as his first hit. Gabriel's third self titled album was his artistic breakthrough. It was released in 1980 and established Gabriel as one of Rock's most ambitious musicians. It's my favorite Peter Gabriel album. It has Biko, a song about anti apartheid. Family Snapshot and Games Without Frontiers are also great.

In 1982,Gabriel released Security .which was even bigger and it had the hit and Video, Shock the Monkey. Released in 1986,So became Gabriel's huge breakthrough. mostly because his Stax homage "Sledgehammer" was blessed with an innovative video that combined stop-action animation with live action. So climbed to number two as "Sledgehammer" became number one, with "Big Time" -- featuring a video very similar to "Sledgehammer" -- reaching the Top Ten and "In Your Eyes" hitting the Top 30. As So was riding high on the American and British charts, Gabriel co-headlined the first benefit tour for Amnesty International in 1986 with Sting and U2. Another Amnesty International Tour followed in 1988, and the following year, Gabriel released Passion: Music for The Last Temptation of Christ, a collection of instrumentals used in Martin Scorsese's film. Passion was the furthest Gabriel delved into worldbeat, and the album was widely acclaimed In 1992 I think, he released the hits compilation Shaking the Tree.
Gabriel labored long on the pop music follow-up to So, finally releasing Us in the spring of 1992. During the recording of Us, Gabriel went through a number of personal upheavals, including a painful divorce, and those tensions manifested themselves on Us, a much darker record than So. For various reasons, not the least of which was the fact that it was released six years after its predecessor, Us wasn't as commercially successful as So, despite positive reviews. Only one single, the "Sledgehammer" takeoff, "Steam," reached the Top 40, and the album stalled in sales. In 1993, Gabriel embarked on the most ambitious WOMAD tour to date, touring the United States with a roster including Crowded House, James, and Sinéad O'Connor, with whom he had an on-off romantic relationship. The following year, he released the double-disc Secret World Live, which went gold. Later in 1994, he released the CD-ROM Xplora, one of many projects he developed with Real World. For the rest of the decade, Gabriel concentrated on developing more multimedia projects for the company and working on the next studio album.
Up was released in 2002, a full decade after Gabriel's last studio effort. Dense, cerebral, and often difficult, it failed to sell well in America. It fared slightly better in Canada. He then turned his attention to a host of different projects, although the release of Big Blue Ball -- a compilation of collaborative performances recorded at Real World Studios during the '90s -- helped satisfy fans while Gabriel focused his energies elsewhere. He has released some other albums. In 2014 he was inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame as a solo act. His performance was pretty good with Washing of the Water and In Your Eyes. It was one of the better performances for 2014,

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/18/2020 @ 13:57pm


Kiss are Next. Kiss had their roots in the theatrics of Alice Cooper. Kiss became a favorite of American teenagers in the 70s. Not me. I was never a huge fan of the look or music. But i like a bunch of their stuff. I originally hated Kiss but I go to like them a bit because Ace Frehley is an awesome guitarist. My love grew for Beatles, Led Zep, Pink Floyd,David Bowie, Alice Cooper etc,etc. A little known fact Now is that I started as a poster here at FRL in 2013. I was looking for a site that predicts Rock n'Roll HOF classes . Donna Summer,Heart and Rush were FRL favs that had just been inducted. There was big chat that Kiss should be inducted. Kiss had been nominated for the second of third time I recall. The Hall worked hard to honor Rush fan base first. It was time to get Kiss inducted.

Taken from numerous concerts Kiss Alive! made Kiss superstars. It was a Top Ten album. and Rock n'Roll All Nite made it to Number 12. Their follow-up, Destroyer, was released in March of 1976 and became the group's first platinum album; it also featured their first Top Ten single, Peter Criss' power ballad "Beth." Kiss mania was in full swing; thousands of pieces of merchandise hit the marketplace (including pinball machines, makeup and masks, and board games), and the group had two comic books released by Marvel as well as a live-action TV movie, Kiss Meet the Phantom of the Park. A 1977 poll named Kiss the most popular band in America. The group was never seen in public without wearing their makeup, and their popularity was growing by leaps and bounds; the membership of the Kiss Army, the band's fan club, was huge.

Even such enormous popularity had its limits, though, and the band reached them in 1978, when all four members released solo albums on the same day in October. Simmons' record was the most successful, reaching number 22 on the charts, yet all of them made it into the Top 50. Dynasty, released in 1979, continued their streak of huge albums, yet it was their last record with the original lineup -- Criss left in 1980. Kiss Unmasked, released in the summer of 1980, was recorded with session drummer Anton Fig; Criss' true replacement, Eric Carr, joined the band in time for their 1980 world tour. Kiss Unmasked was their first record since Destroyer to fail in sales, and 1981's Music from the Elder, their first album recorded with Carr, didn't even get high on the charts -- it couldn't even climb past number 75 on the charts. Ace Frehley left the band after its release; he was replaced by Vinnie Vincent in 1982. Vincent's first album with the group, 1982's Creatures of the Night, fared better than Music from the Elder, yet it couldn't make it past number 45 on the chart.

Sensing it was time for a change, Kiss got rid of their makeup for 1983's Lick It Up. The publicity worked, as the album became their first big record in four years. Animalize, released the following year, was just as successful, and the group essentially recaptured their niche. Vincent left after Animalize and was replaced by Mark St. John, although St. John was soon taken ill with Reiter's Syndrome and left the band. Bruce Kulick became Kiss' new lead guitarist in 1984. For the rest of the decade, Kiss turned out a series of best-selling albums, culminating in the early 1990 hit ballad "Forever," which was their biggest hit since "Beth." They had more albums in the 90s. In 1996 They put back their notorious make up. I own Kiss Platinum on Cd. That's the only one I own. But I heard Kiss Alive and Love Gun many years back. From, the 80s I don't mind Crazy Nights. In 2014, After 15 years of eligibility Kiss was inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame I was glad about it. I am Not a huge fan but they deserve induction. I am one of those guys that feels most of the acts deserve to be in the Hall but it's a matter of what year is right. Kiss refused to Perform because members of the current line up were snubbed. While a performance would have been kind of cool I am not huge fan so I was slightly indifferent about it.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 03/18/2020 @ 14:48pm


BEN
KISS should have been a 1st ballot RRHOF. They influenced nearly everything in music from the KISS marketing of items and products to their innovative flamboyant stage shows to their incredible commercial success. Who hasn't seen people dressed in KISS make-up or seen the band in concert? The first 5 or 6 KISS albums are Classics. They have a swath of influence from Garth Brooks to Tom Morello to Weezer. I am a big fan of Dynasty. KISS has taken their slings and arrows over the years but what's left is the number of quality songs. Beth, Calling Dr. Love, Detroit Rock City, Firehouse, Hard Luck Woman, Naked City, 100,000 Years, Strutter, Sure Know Something, etc. The Elder album might have been a misstep. Was KISS lyrically on the level of Bob Dylan or The Beatles or some other music artists?! Maybe not. However, 46 years later they are still touring and making new fans and rocking and rolling to their loyal KISS ARMY FANS. They definitely are deserving of RRHOF. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 03/18/2020 @ 19:02pm


I will admit something - whenever I question why I follow the Rock Hall, I watch Tom Morello's KISS speech on YouTube every few months or so. His passion, energy and enthusiasm reminds me why I continue to study and write about the Rock Hall. Even if one doesn't like KISS, it's impossible to deny their impact on music and pop culture at large and they definitely belong in the Hall. Morello's speech makes the best case possible for their induction. It's a tour-de-force performance that ranks among the best speeches in HOF history.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 03/18/2020 @ 19:07pm


So it seems like this year's induction might not happen until October due to the virus. What are the chances that they announce next year's nominees at this ceremony?

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 03/18/2020 @ 22:00pm


King,

Great post on Kiss. I will add that while I am not huge fan of Kiss I own parts of Kiss Alive and Love Gun. Calling Dr. Love, Strutter,Black Diamond,Rock Bottom. I Stole Your Love,Shock Me and Detroit Rock City are some good tunes. I do prefer The Who,Led Zep,Pink Floyd,David Bowie,etc that's true. I'm not sure about 1st Year Eligibility But they should not have been 15 years late.I would have gone with about 10 years earlier. Im Not a huge fan but Kiss had a huge impact on music. Just so you know I do skip certain acts but Certainly Not Kiss. Morello's speech was great.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/19/2020 @ 05:21am


I will now cover Cat Stevens. It was funny that he was on the stage right after Kiss. Cat Steven was inducted into the Hall in 2014. He is a British singer/songwriter with a folk sound. He made his debut in 1967. But it was in the 1970s that Cat Stevens had big success with albums Tea for the Tillerman and Teaser and the Firecat.

He was disillusioned for awhile for awhile with music business. He released a spiritual album called Mona Bone Jakon in 1970. I don't know this one too well. Nobody paid attention in America.that much. But Tea for the Tillerman did well and suddenly made him a star. in the US. Teaser and the Firecat came soon after. It was a huge album. He had a bunch of hits at this time with Moonshadow,Peace Train, and Morning Has Broken. I love those.

He toured and worked on his next album,Catch Bull at Four. A slightly harder rocking effort,it was released in Fall 1972. It was his peak. Once again feeling the strains of pop stardom, Stevens left the U.K. in early 1973 for tax reasons and moved to Brazil; he donated the money he would have paid in taxes to charity. He became a UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador, and during his five years in Brazil, he performed less often and became more reluctant to grant interviews. In June 1973, he released a new single, "The Hurt," which made the U.S. Top 40. It was followed in August by his seventh album, Foreigner, an ambitious effort that featured an entire LP side given over to a musical suite. The record was another massive commercial success, peaking inside the Top Five in the U.S. and U.K. and going gold instantly. His major appearance for the year was a 90-minute performance on the American TV show In Concert in November.

In 1974, Stevens released a summer single, a remake of Sam Cooke's "Another Saturday Night," and it made the U.S. Top Ten and the U.K. Top 20. In November, A&M extracted "Ready" from Buddha and the Chocolate Box and released it as a single that made the Top 40. Stevens' Greatest Hits LP was released in June 1975 and was, predictably, a big success, eventually selling over three million copies in the U.S. alone. "Two Fine People," a new song featured on it, reached the American Top 40. Stevens released more albums. In December 1977, Stevens formally became a Muslim and adopted the name Yusuf Islam. That was the end of his pop career. With that, Yusuf Islam announced his retirement from the pop music business. He entered into a marriage that eventually produced five children, auctioned off his instrument collection, etc.
He was not widely heard from for another ten years, until he made news at the end of the '80s by commenting on the Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa against novelist Salman Rushdie for writing the book The Satanic Verses. Islam later explained he was not calling for Rushdie's death but that he was defining Islamic law. Whatever the case Classic rock stations stopped playing him and he got a lot of backlash. In April 2014 he was inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame. He is deserved for the Hall. What are people's thoughts on Cat Stevens. It was nice mellow artist to balance things out in 2014.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 03/19/2020 @ 10:41am


RIP Kenny Rogers 81. Another legend of my youth now with the Lord. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 03/21/2020 @ 01:53am


I also say RIP Kenny Rogers. He is another Music legend of my youth taken from us. My favorite song by him is Lucille.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/21/2020 @ 15:32pm


I guess I will continue my series. I figure everyone will chime in later. Next is Linda Ronstadt. Linda Ronstadt is retired now but she performed and recorded in diverse genres including rock,Country,Light opera and Latin. She was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in April 2014. She is very deserved of this. Ronstadt has released lots and lots of studio albums and compilation albums. In 1971, her self titled 3rd album was a key album in her career. It featured a group of session musicians who would later form the Eagles. The original Eagles were her back up band. in the early 70s. I don't any of her early albums very well. 1974's Heart Like a Wheel made her a star. Some of my favorite Ronstadt songs are her hit covers of You're No Good,When Will I be Loved,It Doesn't Matter Anymore,Love is a Rose,Heat Wave and Blue bayou.Simple Dreams is an album I own. It expanded the formula by adding a more rock-oriented supporting band, The Hall were able to induct 2 mellow artists in 2014 with Cat Stevens and Linda Ronstadt. The thoughts with Linda Ronstadt were to get her inducted fast before she succumbs to Parkinson's Disease.
With Living in the U.S.A. (1978), Ronstadt began experimenting with new wave, recording Elvis Costello's "Alison"; the album was a number one hit. On 1980's Mad Love, she made a full-fledged new wave record, recording three Costello songs and adopting a synth-laden sound. While the album was a commercial success, it signaled that her patented formula was beginning to run out of steam. That suspicion was confirmed with 1982's Get Closer, her first album since Heart Like a Wheel to fail to go platinum.

Sensing it was time to change direction, Ronstadt starred in the Broadway production of Gilbert & Sullivan's Pirates of Penzance, as well as the accompanying movie. Pirates of Penzance led the singer to a collaboration with Nelson Riddle, who arranged and conducted her 1983 collection of pop standards What's New. I am aware of her Pirates of Penzance performance. I think that happened around 1981. I am not crazy about that stuff. Ronstadt's next two albums -- Lush Life (1984) and For Sentimental Reasons (1986) -- were also albums of pre-rock standards recorded with Riddle.

At the end of 1986, Ronstadt returned to contemporary pop, recording "Somewhere Out There," the theme to the animated An American Tail, with James Ingram; the single became a top ten hit. She also returned to her country roots in 1987, recording the Trio album with Dolly Parton and Emmylou Harris. In 1987, Ronstadt also recorded Canciones de Mi Padre, a set of traditional Mexican songs that became a surprise hit. Two years later, she recorded Cry Like a Rainstorm - Howl Like the Wind -- her first contemporary pop album since 1982's Get Closer. Featuring four duets with Aaron Neville, including the top ten hit "Don't Know Much," the album sold over two million copies.

Ronstadt returned to traditional Mexican and Spanish material with Mas Canciones (1991) and Frenesi (1992). She returned to pop with 1994's Winter Light, which failed to generate a hit single, as did 1995's Feels Like Home. In 1996, she released the children's album Dedicated to the One I Love; We Ran followed in 1998. She released another collection of standards in 2004.
Around 2010 she decided to retire. And soon after that she confessed that she had parkinson's disease. Early in 2014. She was inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame;even though she was unable to attend,an all star group performed in her honor, including Emmylou Harris, Stevie Nicks, Bonnie Raitt, Sheryl Crow, and Carrie Underwood. I am not a huge fan but I like a bunch of her stuff. This is 6 years ago. I just want to point out that This would be a reason why other females like Stevie Nicks, Janet Jackson, Whitney H among others were not considered at the time. There was a focus on getting Linda Ronstadt inducted first. Everyone or some people respond. It's something to do.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/22/2020 @ 05:28am


In 1980, what wasn't called new wave? I don't really hear anything but the slightest underpinnings of new wave in the 3 singles from Mad Love - How Do I Make You, I Can't Let Go and Hurt So Bad. To me the 1st 2 sound like straight up rock and roll, almost even rockabilly. I Can't Let Go is probably my favorite song by her because it's the one where she really does "let go" and takes her foot off the brake pedal and sounds like she's actually having some fun.

Posted by joker on Sunday, 03/22/2020 @ 14:40pm


joker,

That is a good point about Mad Love. I want referring to the Big hits like Hurt So Bad. I was referring to Elvis Costello songs like Party Girl and Girls Talk. But I also Recall they were Not that good. And after the Get Closer Album she wasn't Pop for a long while. I find her Trio album with Emmylou Harris and Dolly Parton Interesting. I own the TRIO album.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/22/2020 @ 16:32pm


I actually have seen Response to my series. Some of you reviewed Peter Gabriel possibly and Kiss. The focus now is Cat Stevens and Linda Ronstadt. After some tunes on Living in the USA. My interest for her skips to TRIO. I dig her Country side. Perhaps some response on Cat Stevens is coming. There was good performances at Ceremony. There is some acts I will skip. I will just mention E STREET Band was inducted for Music Excellence. They should have been inducted with Bruce in the first Place. I will partly skip them. Stay tuned for the first HUGE 90s band. They changed the face of music. I was Never a fan but are one of the MOST important acts inducted in Recent years. They are NIRVANA.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 03/23/2020 @ 09:38am


Im a life long rock fan, now 60 yrs old. I think its a terrible injustice that Bad Company and The Guess Who have not been inducted. Paul Rogers and Burton Cummings have 2 of the greatest rock voices in my opinion.. Thanks, Jon

Posted by Jon on Monday, 03/23/2020 @ 17:04pm


Hey Guys,

The 2020 Rock Hall Induction Ceremony has been rescheduled for Saturday, November 7 in Cleveland and it will be aired live on HBO.

With the induction ceremony now in November, How will it affect the announcement of next year's nominees for the 2021 class?.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 03/24/2020 @ 10:01am


I mean, I think the scenario where they announce next year's nominees at the end of the ceremony is pretty likely. Announcing before would overshadow the ceremony/be confusing. Announcing after might work, but I would think they want to get back to normal-ish scheduling as soon as possible (having the voting open from November-January with a ceremony in May 2021), and the longer they wait the less likely that becomes. Plus, doing a live announcement fits in with the idea of broadcasting the whole show live - it's another reason to tune in.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 03/24/2020 @ 10:25am


I am continuing my series, I will see how it goes. I got to admit the Coronavirus has slowed down this series and Possibly any posts. However, it passes the time very well. I am still in the 2014 class.I will now cover Nirvana. It is possible you guys don't have enough interest in Cat Stevens and Linda Ronstadt.
Nirvana were the first key band of the 1990s. inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame. Nirvana led the whole Seattle grunge scene. I was never a fan. There is a couple reasons for that. I nver grooved with their intense grunge sound when they first emerged. Also I am a big fan of 1980s music much of which they helped destroy. But I can not deny that they have immense influence. They were the leading band of a new generation. Soundwise I prefer the other key Seattle band,Pearl Jam. I have many friends that love Nirvana. As we know Nirvana found unexpected success in 1991 with Smells Like Teen Spirit. from their landmark album Nevermind. other key songs are In Bloom and Come as You Are.

Between 1991 and 1994,Nirvana got a lot of awards. They did become one of the best selling bands of all time. Nirvana wasinducted into the RnR Hall of Fame in the first year of eligibiility. I expected that for sure. They are very deserved. They led a movement and changed the music scene forever. Nirvana's success took the music industry by surprise, including themselves. It soon become apparent that the band wasn't quite sure how to handle its success. Cobain married Courtney Love, the leader of the band Hole, in February of 1992, announcing that the couple was expecting a child in the fall. Shortly after the marriage, rumors that Cobain and Love were heavy heroin users began to circulate and the strength of the rumors only increased when Nirvana canceled several summer concerts and refused to mount a full-scale American tour during the summer. Cobain complained that he was suffering from chronic stomach troubles, which seemed to be confirmed.
Kurt Cobain had some heroin overdoses. In Utero was released in September of 1993 to positive reviews and strong initial sales, debuting at the top of the U.S. and U.K. charts. Nirvana supported it with a fall American tour, hiring Pat Smear as an auxiliary guitarist. While the album and the tour were both successful, sales weren't quite as strong as expected, with several shows not selling out until the week of the concert. As a result, the group agreed to play MTV's acoustic Unplugged show at the end of the year, and sales of In Utero picked up after its December airing. After wrapping up the U.S. tour on January 8, 1994, with a show at Center Arena in Seattle, Nirvana embarked on a European tour in February. Following a concert in Munich on February 29, Cobain stayed in Rome to vacation with Love. On March 4, she awakened to find that Cobain had attempted suicide by overdosing on the tranquilizer Rohypnol and drinking champagne. While the attempt was initially reported as an accidental overdose, it was known within the Nirvana camp that the vocalist had left behind a suicide note.
In March 1994 Kurt Cobain was put in a Recovery Center but he escaped from the clinic on April 1, 1994. On April 5, 1994 Cobain shot himself. In the end of 1994 MTV Unplugged in New York appeared in its place. The album debuted at the top of the British and American charts, as a home video comprised of live performances and interviews from the band's Nevermind era, In 2014, Nirvana was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame by R.E.M.'s Michael Stipe. Cobain's place in the induction performance was taken by several vocalists, including Joan Jett and Kim Gordon.Joan Jett led a nice version of Smell Like Teen Spirit. Kim Gordon took on Aneurysm. I am Not sure I even know that tune. There is my coverage of Nirvana. I say again I am Not a fan. But hey they deserve a strong place in the Hall. Ok Everyone some of you are much more experts on Nirvana than me. I would think some can Elaborate

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 03/28/2020 @ 07:21am


Sorry Ben, but I don't have much to say about Nirvana. Like you I was never a fan except for their final song All Apologies which seemed to sum up Cobain's life perfectly. Also the concert in Munich that you mentioned couldn't have taken place on February 29 since 1994 wasn't a leap year.

Posted by joker on Saturday, 03/28/2020 @ 12:43pm


With the ceremony postponed until November 7 i think the nominations won't be announced until after the ceremony & ill be for two months until they announced the new class next year, with that said my predictions for next years would be

Nominees
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Foo Fighters
Jay - Z
J. Geils Band
Joy Division
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Lenny Kravitz
Motorhead
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus feat Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Thin Lizzy
Tina Turner

Class of 2021
Pat Benatar
Foo Fighters
Jay - Z
Joy Division
Judas Priest
Tina Turner
Thin Lizzy

Ahmet Erguten Award:
Todd Rundgren

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Saturday, 03/28/2020 @ 15:40pm


With the ceremony postponed until November 7 i think the nominations won't be announced until after the ceremony & ill be for two months until they announced the new class next year, with that said my predictions for next years would be

Nominees
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Foo Fighters
Jay - Z
J. Geils Band
Joy Division
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Lenny Kravitz
Motorhead
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus feat Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Thin Lizzy
Tina Turner

Class of 2021
Pat Benatar
Foo Fighters
Jay - Z
Joy Division
Judas Priest
Tina Turner
Thin Lizzy


Ahmet Erguten Award:
Todd Rundgren

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Saturday, 03/28/2020 @ 15:41pm


They really wanted to induct Nirvana so soon, they based it off an early single.

The "I'd chop my arm off if they don't get in" pick that you don't see too much of becoming eleigible now.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 03/28/2020 @ 23:24pm


BEN
RRHOF SERIES NIRVANA.
NIRVANA just exploded onto the scene and for about 3 years...They were 1 of the most important 90's rock groups of the time. It was a shocking day in 1994 learning of Kurt Cobain's death. I myself was in my late teens at the time of Kurt's passing. His music, voice, and words breathed life into a music scene that had become self-indulgent and hedonistic in the hard rock and metal world. Also, it crushed some of the empty sounding dance and pop music of the time. It was at times aggressive and abrasive punk rock music with surprising melody. Thanks to Nirvana's success, the Seattle Music scene was highlighted now showcasing talented Seattle bands. Somehow, it all worked and Nirvana quickly became superstars. I think Kurt's honest and insightful words rang true to many young music fans. My FAV Nevermind song is Come As You Are. I think Nevermind has to be 1 of the most important 90's albums with Pearl Jam's Ten and Radiohead's OK Computer. The Nirvana MTV Unplugged is my FAV of the Series and I think arguably the best. Kurt and the band were at top of their game. Close to perfection in my book. Kurt joined the 27 club on his death. There still are rumblings that Cobain could have been murdered instead of suicide. I still don't know. NIRVANA definitely deserving of 1st ballot HOF. NIRVANA started a revolution in music seemingly overnight as established musicians in different genres suddenly became dinosaurs. These musicians had to navigate the music shift to stay relevant. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 03/29/2020 @ 01:40am


Quick chime in on Nirvana, sorry I haven't been around much to review some more stuff, life is busy. However, Nirvana did not get in on the merits of a long and glorious career. What Nirvana did, as someone who was about 12 at the time that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" came out, was transform an entire genre. Rock in the late 80s was steeped in the big hair, tight pants, love ballads and headbanging. The bands who survived from the 70s had somewhat incorporated their sound and style with the trend. There was a voice of the youth who really felt lost and wanted to make their own identity. There was a reason it was called "Generation X". There were other bands, both from Seattle and elsewhere, that did it better, but Nirvana hit the lucky note, and their song, dedicated to a deodorant or scent famous at the time, reached proportions arguably not seen since Led Zeppelin in the early 70s. It was everywhere, and in their footsteps followed the legions of grunge bands, some who preceded and some who followed. Kurt Cobain really can't be classified as a hero in the traditional sense. He was a tortured soul, and his last suicide attempt was not his first. He became a martyr, and his legend continued to grow. We should pity him, but there are some who never want the spotlight, no matter what they do. The 27 curse gets lost in the fact that 4 of the 5 seminal "Grunge sound" bands of the early 90s have had their lead singers leave us decades too early. This sound, really, changed rock and forever buried the 80s. Nirvana belongs, but they don't belong. They didn't want the spotlight. Just remember, Mr. Hendrix and Ms. Joplin also only survived around 3-4 short years, and they are among the very best. Infer what you will in that statement.

Thank you. I will have some more opinion in the coming days.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 03/29/2020 @ 02:04am


BEN
NIRVANA RRHOF SERIES PART II
I forgot to touch on In Utero and want to say a few words about the album. My FAV songs after 1st listening to In Utero were Heart-Shaped Box and Serve The Servants. I remember excitedly buying In Utero at a record place when it first dropped. My guess September 1993 but I could be wrong. It's clear that Kurt didn't want to create Nevermind II. Heart-Shaped Box sounded like a single from the jump and I was proven right. Rape Me I remember created a stir but Kurt clarified what the song was about. Pennyroyal Tea is a song I enjoyed after a few listens. I think 25+ years later I prefer Nevermind to In Utero song for song. A few of the songs I just didn't like. Too much noise and just didn't flow. I think Kurt's death ironically freed up Dave Grohl to pursue creating Foo Fighters and show his incredible musical talents. Had Kurt never died, the music fans might never have seen Grohl's amazing full range of talents. He would still be in Nirvana and probably working on a new Nirvana album with Kurt. It would have been interesting to see Kurt and Nirvana and their musical direction in the 1990's and 2000's. Maybe, they would have jumped into a heavy metal direction or Industrial. Or added a little electronica to the music. I think Kurt might have pulled back like Eddie Vedder did in the later 1990's. It becomes too big the spotlight and all the media and press. I remember Mark Knopfler saying similar things when Dire Straits was at their peak in 1985 and 1986. It just becomes too big. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 03/29/2020 @ 02:06am


Follower,

That's exactly right. The Hall was so anxious to induct Nirvana so soon that they based it off an early single. I think it was Love Buzz in 1988. Based on that Nirvana were inducted in 1st Year eligible. It is an irony for me that I give good coverage of Nirvana. I am into my fair share of the 80s music scene that had become self indulgent and pleasurable in the hard rock and metal world. But it would not be accurate of me to ignore or be skimpy about Nirvana. I don't mind Come as You Are. I was in my late teens back in 1984. So clearly I enjoyed the 1980s a lot. Nonetheless I realize that Nirvana needed to be inducted right away. I will reflect on King comments later on

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/29/2020 @ 07:14am


King,

I think those were some great comments on Nirvana. They are better than mine It makes sense that they would. You are good at analyzing music. You seem to be about 10 years younger. I was already about 26 when Nirvana came through. I was an actual teenager of the actual 80s. Nirvana were a shock to me at the time. I was still into the flashy 80s styles and of course guys like Billy Joel,etc. Nevermind is one of those important 90s albums I have trouble listening to myself. Pearl Jam Ten and Radiohead OK Computer I have an easier time with actually. Nirvana are deserving of first ballot HOF.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 03/29/2020 @ 08:21am


BEN
RRHOF SERIES CAT STEVENS.
Cat Stevens was before my time but I like Cat Stevens music. He was 1 of the excellent singers and songwriters of the 1960's and 1970's. I credit the Nomination Committee placing him on the ballot and for the RRHOF voters voting for him. Father & Son always resonated with me. Excellent work and going from a lower baritone to a sudden tenor...It's not an easy thing to do. Peace Train is a very good song athough I like 10,000 Maniacs version a little better. His voice and guitar work I enjoy. No doubt Cat Stevens left plenty of music years on the table. He appears to have a good life and has resumed his music a good decade plus now. Have plenty of respect for him. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 03/29/2020 @ 17:59pm


One correction:

"Also it's the first time since 2013 when there have been multiple dead inductees: Biggie and Whitney this year, Albert King and Donna Summer in 2013."

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 01.15.20 @ 11:17am

2018 Class had 3 dead inductees:
Nina Simone
Benjamin Orr (The Cars)
Ray Thomas (Moody Blues) - he was still living at time of induction announcement, but passed in Jan 2018, so he was dead before the actual induction and ceremony in April 2018.

Posted by Jack on Monday, 03/30/2020 @ 16:11pm


Jack,

What I meant to say was that it was the first time since 2013 that two dead soloists were inducted. There were a few dead people inducted last year, from Roxy Music and The Zombies.

But this year, while not exactly a record-breaker, is still a high amount of deaths. Biggie, Whitney, 3/4 of T.Rex, and two Doobies. That's seven.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 04/1/2020 @ 00:00am


Will N.,

I want to give you an extra day for response on Nirvana. It seems to me you are a big fan of Nirvana, I am Not a big fan at all. But I gave them decent coverage because of their place in Rock history and influence. I know that you are older than me. Unlike me, who embraced a lot of very known 80s music. It seems like you were into the more Underground music of the 80s. Therefore it makes sense that you dug Nirvana at their onset. I will hold off on 2015 for an extra day

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/1/2020 @ 13:19pm


Also, I just realized this ceremony is after the election. That'll probably have some effect on how the people on stage behave.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 04/1/2020 @ 13:20pm


https://www.nytimes.com/1983/04/27/arts/mca-hires-irving-azoff.html

Found an old article about Irving Azoff from the New York Times.

"Mr. Azoff's clients include the Eagles, Stevie Nicks, Styx, Dan Fogelberg, Boz Scaggs and the Go-Gos."

If the streak keeps going, I could easily see the Go-Go's on his list of pet projects along with Boston and Warren Zevon in the next few years.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 04/1/2020 @ 14:33pm


Oh, F*** Irving Azoff!

Posted by A. Sam Ettic on Wednesday, 04/1/2020 @ 15:13pm


Irving Azoff is destroying the Hall of Fame cause he is to blame for keeping off the Teletubbies.

Posted by A. Sam Ettic on Wednesday, 04/1/2020 @ 15:29pm


At least the first 8 words of the last post are true...

Posted by NeverStyx on Wednesday, 04/1/2020 @ 20:56pm


No, he's making it more relevant for the masses. If it weren't for him, not only Journey, Bon Jovi, Fleetwood Mac, and the Eagles would not be in but the Hall would lose out a lot of money and go bankrupt. Irving strongly knows the radio-casual listeners are the main demographic. But it is possible he could be to blame for RIGGING the kiosk and fan ballot. The biggest common ground between Dave Matthews Band and Mötley Crue is both of them got ROBBED.

This is the Hall of Fame, NOT the Hall of Acts Critics, Hipsters, and Social Justice Warriors like. And If you're about say "terrestrial radio is dead," then you clearly not looking at other people's world. Local radio is still the number one reach in America.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 04/1/2020 @ 21:41pm


Ben,
I have not been intentionally neglecting your series, or attempting to bypass the bands you have highlighted. I have been reading, just not a whole lot of time to comment, even with the virus restrictions, our company has been super busy picking up and delivering bulk mail, as we contract for UPS, and people are ordering an above normal amount of things online, so not very much free time lately.
However, about Nirvana, yes, I like them a great deal, but no, not one of my favorites. I was much more of a fan of Pearl Jam,"Ten", than "Nevermind". I like Nirvana as a whole, with there complete body of worked, and I really love the Nirvana Unplugged show on MTV. I remember watching and enjoying that live, when it was broadcast, and recorded it also. That show is excellent, classic and timeless. In comparison, with Pearl Jam, I remember hearing "Alive" for the first time on the radio and being immensely impressed, saying holy shit, this sounds like 70's Rock, with the guitar solo triggering emotions I had not experienced in quite awhile. So Nirvana, I recognize what they did was groundbreaking and I love that, and they were well deserving of first ballot entry. But for me and Grunge, I tend to favor Alice In Chains, Screaming Trees(favorite grunge album, "Sweet Oblivion"), Pearl Jam, and Smashing Pumpkins, who I regard as more versatile than a grunge band..
I did want to weigh in some on Peter Gabriel, as I love his 80's solo material, mostly the LP with "Solsbury Hill", and when the landmark "So" album came out, it was just incredibly fantastic. Excluding the hits, I think the best tracks are "Red Rain", "That Voice Again", and "Don't Give Up", with Kate Bush.. I also like the "Us" album with the hit "Digging In the Dirt", is very cool. Never got to see him live in concert, but would like to. Hey what do you guys think about the planned Genesis tour?
Let's see, what else.. yeah Cat Stevens. I suppose I love all of his hits. They were all great. In the early to mid 70's it was all Cat Stevens, or Jim Croce, Harry Chapin, or Gordon Lightfoot, for that style of singer/songwriter type music. All wonderful, contemporary creative works that spoke the times. Throw in Seals and Croft, Carly Simon, Carole King, James Taylor, just so many to mention, Dan Fogelberg and Michael Murphy too. A few favorite Cat Steven's tunes would be "Wild World", "Moonshadow", "Ready", and "Oh Very Young".

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 04/1/2020 @ 22:16pm


Hey Dude, I mean Douche, get a clue...

Fleetwood Mac, Eagles (who I personally don't care for), and also Steely Dan are in the HoF on merit, not solely because of their association with the Horned One...

Azoff is NOT out to make the cRock Hole of Lame 'more relevant to the masses', but to further line his /** pockets- otherwise, why doesn't he advocate for acts who aren't /weren't his clients???

The sad thing is, I doubt even he could/would help Warren Zevon get in- the sh¥sters in charge of the Hole don't seem to give a damn (not 'commercial' enough for them, right?)...

Also, if it's all about pandering to the masses (most of whom still think Drumpf is cool), WHY/HOW would A$off rig the kiosk/fan ballot to 'rob' the musically useless DMB and Muttley Crud, other then he doesn't represent them, and can't make extra $heckle$ from it???

Finally, whyTF is this horned cretin A$$off getting an award, when an actual musical talent (say, Todd Rundgren??) could have (and SHOULD have!) been honored in his place?

Posted by AzoffHasDevilHorns on Wednesday, 04/1/2020 @ 22:41pm


Wow.. I don't know who's been nipping at the hooch, but even with a fifth in me I couldn't write something that ignorant, biased, and hateful/bigoted. Nobody is denying that his induction is pure cronyism, but most are at least willing to concede there's an argument to make for his inclusion, even if done from a devil's advocacy position, which is apparently the literal truth for this person.

Rock and roll is largely considered being about the devil horns, so Azoff certainly should be a part of it then, by that logic.

Keep on rockin' in the free world, people.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 04/2/2020 @ 00:30am


The most annoying arguments, beyond the personal attacks that happen, are the ones where someone brings up a lame construation of someone's name. It's not clever when you bash a celebrity or politician like it, and it sure as hell isn't clever when you use it with a band name. If you're going to use satire or wit, at least be intelligent about it. We know that Azoff is getting in not strictly on his merits, but it's being done. Criticize it if you want, but don't act like an 8 year old on a computer...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/2/2020 @ 01:48am


Will N.,

Thanks for the post you made. I will reflect on your Peter Gabriel comments first. I only own Here Comes the Flood from his first solo album. I love Solsbury Hill. I do agree that the So album is incredibly fantastic. We agree that the best tracks are Red Rain, Don't Give Up and That Voice Again. Cat Stevens was one of the great singer/songwriters of the 1970s. I like Cat Stevens, Harry Chapin and Gordon Lightfoot quite a bit. I like Jim Croce to an extent too. You threw in Seals and Crofts, Carly Simon and Carole King. You even mention Dan Fogelberg. Not everyone mentions him. All of these should be inducted. A few of my favorite Cat Stevens tunes are Wild World,Moonshadow,Oh Very Young One and Two Fine People. I would have to hear Ready again. I am not sure about that one.

Now, with Nirvana. I would not even say I like them a great deal. I have never owned any Nirvana. I was much more of a fan of Pearl Jam,"Ten", than "Nevermind" also. With Pearl Jam, I remember hearing "Alive" and 'Jeremy" for the first time on the radio and being immensely impressed, saying also this sounds like 70's Rock, with the guitar solo triggering different things So Nirvana, I recognize what they did was groundbreaking and I love that, and they were well deserving of first ballot entry. But for me and Grunge, I tend to favor a couple Alice In Chains tunes, Screaming Trees- I remember the main tune I Nearly :Lost You, Pearl Jam, who I regard as more diverse than a grunge band.And I like quite a few tunes from Soundgarden. I expected Nirvana first. I recognize that Nirvana spearheaded the Grunge movement. It would seem that the Hall lags behind now with these others in the Grunge movement. I wanted to end the 2014 class with Nirvana the way Nirvana closed that show. Stay tuned for 2015. The Hall wanted to catch up in that year. There was a couple old surprises for 2015. Stay tuned.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/2/2020 @ 08:42am


Even Flow is in my top 10 all-time favorite songs and has been since what, 1991. Best Pearl Jam album is their first, but I will have more to say about them later.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 04/2/2020 @ 10:13am


I will now begin looking at the 2015 class. After reaching new heights in 2014 with acts like Peter Gabriel, Kiss, Cat Stevens and entering the 90s with Nirvana. 2015 was a year for catching up. I start with Joan Jett & the Blackhearts. It makes sense that they were inducted in 2015 after she sang at the Nirvana tribute. Joan Jett started in the Runways. I Love Rock n'Roll was a #1 hit in 1982. Joan Jett's other notable hits were Bad Reputation, Crimson and Clover. Joan Jett gained extra attention with the Hall when she sang at the Nirvana tribute. In 2015 Joan Jett & the Blackhearts were inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame. They opened the show. They are deserved for the Hall.

Joan Jett formed the Blackhearts in 1981. I Love Rock n'Roll was a huge hit. The follow up was Crimson and Clover. and it was also a Top 10 hit. An album called Album was released in 1983. It had no hits that compared with I Love Rock n'Roll but I remember Fake Friends.

Joan Jett starred in a movie in 1987 called Light of Day.but she had no big hits again unril 1988 when I hate Myself for Lovin You was a Top 10 hit. taken from the Up Your Alley album. After the album's success, her career had another slow period, with 1990's all-covers album The Hit List making it to number 36 and 1991's Notorious failing to chart. Between Notorious and 1994's Pure and Simple, a new generation of female rockers came of age and everyone from hard alternative rockers like L7 to the minimalist riot grrrl punk rockers like Bikini Kill claimed Jett and the Runaways as an influence. As a consequence, Pure and Simple received more press and positive reviews than any of her albums since the mid-'80s. In 1995, Jett recorded some live album with a punk band around 1993. Jett reunited with the Blackhearts for the 1999 album Fetish, and in 2006 Sinner, a return to her punk roots came out. The next few years were spent touring with spots on the Warped Tour and as an opening act for bands like Alice Cooper, Aerosmith, and Green Day. When Jett returned with a new album, it was with touring guitarist Dougie Needles, longtime drummer Thommy Price, and even longer-time associate Kenny Laguna all on board. 2013's Unvarnished represented a stunning return to the form of the early days of the Blackhearts and featured a song produced and co-written with Dave Grohl. I think Dave Grohl helped get JJ and the Blackhearts get inducted in 2015. I recall JJ and the Blackhearts performed Bad Reputation and Crimson and Clover at the 2015 ceremony. This is only 5 years ago. Stay tuned for more. 2015 had its diversity with acts ranging from Joan Jett to Paul Butterfield Blues Band. Paul Butterfield Blues Band will be next. It seems like they were a pet project of some committee members. Stay tuned.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/2/2020 @ 15:53pm


Jett is someone who is more important as a figure than for her actual music. Still, her status as a figure is Hall-worthy.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 04/2/2020 @ 19:03pm


I will now cover the Paul Butterfield Blues Band. With a style that originated in the rough blues bars of Chicago's south side,Paul Butterfield Blues Band was key in bringing the sound of real Chicago blues to a young white audience in the mid 60s. They were suddenly inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame in 2015. I was figuring at this time that some other 60s act like Moody Blues or Steppenwolf would get inducted. This must have been a pet project of some older guys on the committee. I remember the Paul B Blues Band were nominated a few times. I don't know too much about them myself. I know they were formed by Paul Butterfield and Elvin Bishop.

Guitar whiz Mike Bloomfield joined the band just before their debut album. They then backed up Bob Dylan at his infamous set at the 1965 Newport Folk Festival. Some other guys,Mark Naftalin and Bill Davenport also came on board during the sessions for the self-titled The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, which was released by Elektra late in 1965. They recording their second album, the Ravi Shankar-influenced East-West, released in 1966. This album I own. This is the album that stands out to me. It became notable during 1967, I think. Bloomfield departed to form Electric Flag in 1967, and Bishop handled all the lead guitar on the more R&B-oriented third album, The Resurrection of Pigboy Crabshaw, which was released later that year and featured an entirely new rhythm section of Bugsy Maugh on bass and Phil Wilson on drums. Bishop and Naftalin left the band and a couple other albums followed. After a live album in 1970 and the lackluster Sometimes I Just Feel Like Smilin', released in 1971, Butterfield broke up the band. In retrospect, the Butterfield Blues Band had pretty much put their cards on the table in their first two albums, both of which are classics of the era, featuring a heady mixture of folk, rock, psychedelia, and even Indian classical music played over an embedded base of good old Chicago blues. It's a bit odd that they would be inducted over other 60s acts but it was a Pet project I am very sure. It did add diversity to the 2015 class.Does anyone have anything to say about the Paul B Blues Band. They were certainly not what we call a populist choice with commercial success. Will N, you may have some comments about them. I only own East/West from this band. Those older than both me and Will N would know more about them. Maybe King,Dude and K-Dawg have a couple comments. Ok Guys go ahead.

Posted by ben on Friday, 04/3/2020 @ 08:18am


BEN
The 2015 was a very weak nomination ballot and induction I can remember. Joan Jett & The Blackhearts biggest hits were mostly covers. I like Joan Jett as she was very influential to later female singers and guitarists. They could have waited on them. Joan also attractive, a great singer, and guitarist. I agree with many who believe she needs to be inducted and RRHOF made the right call. Saying that, I Love Rock & Roll was a monster hit. This Paul B Blues Band was definitely a pet project. They kept putting them on the ballot until they were inducted. East-West had its share of critical acclaim. I would have rather seen Bad Company, Duran Duran, Iron Maiden, or Judas Priest nominated and inducted instead. This is the class that I believe that started many of the blogs and posts and increased social media pressure on the RRHOF. I think it has worked because every class since 2015 has been different shades of excellent. Also outstanding slate of nominees.
KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 04/3/2020 @ 09:11am


Great quick response to the 2015 class so far. Yes, it was a weak class. The next in line indicates that. Green Day were inducted in 2015. I gave good coverage of Nirvana. They have their place in history. They,Nirvana were one of the most important 90s groups of the time. You can NOT say that as clearly about Nirvana. Soundwise I like Green Day slightly more than Nirvana. Not by much anyway. I can't justify Green Day as clearly as Nirvana. My opinion is that Green Day were simply loved by the Hall. Green Day was inducted in 2015. Green Day was originally part of the late 80s-early 90s punk scene. The band's early releases were punk records with an independent label. In 1994.their major label debut was Dookie. It was a huge success. I am aware they popularized mainstream interest in Punk. I have said before I am not much of a fan of any punk. Unlike Nirvana, I just don't think they led a movement in the same way.

Green Day were rushed in for 2015. They deserve to be inducted but the question is when they should have been inducted. They were inducted in 1st year of eligibility. Now Pearl Jam were not eilgible yet in late 2014. But Soundgarden were eligible. . Green Day were inducted based on the release of some unknown Ep in 1989.

Dookie,Green Day's major label debut was released in the spring of 1994. Thanks to MTV support of Longview,Dookie was huge. Basket Case was also a huge hit. Green Day quickly followed Dookie with Insomniac in the fall of 1995;," Insomniac performed well initially, entering the U.S. charts at number two and selling over two-million copies by the spring of 1996, yet none of its singles -- including the radio favorite "Brain Stew/Jaded" -- was as popular as those from Dookie. In the spring of 1996, Green Day abruptly canceled a European tour, claiming exhaustion. Following the cancellation, the band spent the rest of the year resting and writing new material before issuing Nimrod in late 1997. Three years later, their long-awaited follow-up, a refreshingly poppy record titled Warning, was released. Another long wait preceded 2004's American Idiot, an aggressive rock opera that became a surprise success -- a chart-topper around the world, a multi-platinum Grammy winner, and easily the best-reviewed album of their career. Green Day reveled in the album's success, hitting numerous award shows and performing as part of Live 8 in July 2005. That fall brought the release of Bullet in a Bible, a concert album that documented the trio's expansive Idiot live show.
When they got big again around 2005 they did some small projects. They contributed a cover of John Lennon's Working Class Hero to the Instant Karma John Lennon tribute. They started releasing a lot of albums again in 2009. In 2015 Green Day were inducted into the Rn'R Hall of Fame. It just seems to me another key 90s band could have been inducted instead. I think the 2015 class is weak overall. It was a weak nomination ballot in the first place. Hey everyone continue your comments and thoughts.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/3/2020 @ 11:00am


One of the strongest inductees of 2015 was Stevie Ray Vaughan. He is a great guitar legend. He is considered one of the most iconic and greatest guitarists in the history of blues and rock. I like a lot of his albums. Some of my favorite albums if his are Texas Flood,Couldn't Stand the Weather and Soul to Soul.

Stevie Ray Vaughan's debut album ,Texas Flood was released in the Summer of 1983. Texas Flood was a blockbuster blues success. Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble set off on a successful tour and recorded their second album,Couldn't Stand the Weather, which was released in May 1984. The album was more successful than its predecessor. Double Trouble added keyboardist Reese Wynans in 1985, before they recorded their third album, Soul to Soul. The record was released in August 1985 and was also quite successful, reaching number 34 on the charts. I am proud to say that I saw Stevie R Vaughan twice in concert.

Although his professional career was soaring, Vaughan was sinking deep into alcoholism and drug addiction. Despite his declining health, Vaughan continued to push himself, releasing the double live album Live Alive in October of 1986 and launching an extensive American tour in early 1987. Following the tour, Vaughan checked into a rehabilitation clinic. The guitarist's time in rehab was kept kind of quiet, and for the next year Stevie Ray and Double Trouble were fairly inactive. Vaughan performed a number of concerts in 1988, including a headlining gig at the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival, and wrote his fourth album. The resulting record, In Step, appeared in June of 1989 and became his most successful album. Its a good one too.
On August 26, 1990, their East Troy, WI, gig concluded with an encore jam featuring guitarists Eric Clapton, Buddy Guy, Jimmie Vaughan, and Robert Cray. After the concert, Stevie Ray boarded a helicopter bound for Chicago. Minutes after its 12:30 a.m. takeoff, the helicopter crashed, killing Vaughan and the other four passengers. He was only 35 years old.I remember this accident in the news vividly. After that an album of studio outakes was released in the Fall of 1991. During the 90s his albums were remastered and a box set was released in 2000. In 2015 Stevie R Vaughan was finally inducted into the Hall. There was a great tribute to S R Vaughan that included John Mayer, Gary Clark Jr,Jimmie Vaughan and the surviving Double Trouble band. The tunes performed were Pride and Joy,Texas Flood and Six Strings Down,which is a tribute by Jimmie Vaughan to his younger brother. from a solo album of his. The induction of Stevie Ray Vaughan was one of the highlights of the 2015 class.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/3/2020 @ 12:40pm


Stevie Ray Vaughan is very deserved for the Hall. He is a guitar legend. It would be very cool to get comments on SR Vaughan. I think he was overdue but I don't think he had to be inducted in 1st Year eligible. He was eligible since late 2008. There was other priorities at that time. He could have inducted earlier though. But hey,it made 2015 better. Hey King, Will N and others go chime in.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/3/2020 @ 12:52pm


How was the 2015 ballot weak? The Induction class may not have have been as good as some years but all inductees are worthy. The weakest act on the ballot was Sting but the other acts especially Kraftwerk, NWA, The Smiths, Lou Reed, Nine Inch Nails, and The Marvelettes are very important and deserving.

Posted by Ozmeow1900 on Friday, 04/3/2020 @ 16:05pm


I am now up to Bill Withers. Bill Withers is a soul music legend. He had several major hits like Ain't No Sunshine,Grandma's Hands,Use Me and Lean on Me. He was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2015.

I just found out today tat Bill Withers has passed away. The slight coincidence here is that I was just getting to 2015 in my series and then I found out today that he has passed away. He was 81. He lived a long life. I remember some of his hits when I was a kid.

Ain't No Sunshine was a Top 10 hit in Summer 1971. Lean on Me" was based on his experiences growing up in a West Virginia coal mining town. Times were hard and when a neighbor needed something beyond their means, the rest of the community would chip in and help. He came up with the chord progression while noodling around on his new Wurlitzer electric piano. The sound of the chords reminded Withers of the hymns that he heard at church while he was growing up. His second gold single, "Lean on Me," landed at number one R&B and number one pop for three weeks on Billboard's charts in summer 1972. It was included on his Still Bill album.. "Lean on Me" has became a standard with hit covers by U.K. rock band Mud and Club Nouveau. "Lean on Me" was also the title theme of a 1989 movie starring Morgan Freeman. Still Bill also included "Use Me" which was a #2 hit in Fall 1972.

After a legal battle of some kind Withers signed with Columbia Records. His releases on Columbia were the Making Music album,as well as albums like Naked and Warm; Menagerie. "Lovely Day," , was a huge hit in 1977;Teaming with Elektra Records artist Grover Washington, Jr., Withers sang the tender ballad "Just the Two of Us," written by Withers, Ralph MacDonald, and William Salter. It went to number three R&B and held the number two pop spot for three weeks in early 1981. "Just the Two of Us" was redone with hilarious effect in the Mike Myers movie Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me, released in summer 1999. I thought I would throw in a later use of a Bill Withers song.

Withers resurfaced in the 21st century, playing concerts, and having his albums reissued in various countries. He is also the subject of the 2010 bio-documentary Still Bill. In 2015 he was inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame. He was a bit overdue. Although given the priorities for other singer/songwriters I suppose it makes sense. And so on this day I pay tribute to Bill Withers due to his passing. I raced through a lot of the 2015 class to get to Bill Withers. I only started covering 2015 yesterday. In response to Ozmeow1900 I reviewed the 2015 ballot before.The weakest act was Sting, I see that some other acts were Kraftwerk,the Smiths, Lou Reed, Nine Inch Nails. I think what me and King meant is that the Inductees were NOT as good as some years. I agree with King that this is the class that I believe that started many of the blogs and posts and increased social media pressure on the RRHOF. I think it has worked because every class since 2015 has been excellent generally speaking. Also outstanding slate of nominees.I would have to review those ballots. And so I have made it to Bill Withers. RIP Bill Withers 1938-2020. But I am not done with 2015. There was a great Musical Excellence award given to a legendary drummer. He is alive and Headlined for 2015. 2014 had no All Star Jam but 2015 sure did. Stay tuned.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/3/2020 @ 17:54pm


And so RIP Bill Withers. Yet another music legend of my youth now in Heaven. I just happened to be getting to the 2015 class. Stevie Wonder inducted Bill Withers. Bill Withers gave a nice speech. He thanked his wife and R&b pioneers like Booker T. Jones. Withers didn't sing at first but sat onstage during the tribute to him. Stevie Wonder sang Ain't No Sunshine. which was followed by Stevie W. backing up John Legend for Use Me. Then John Legend played piano for Lean on Me. Bill Withers was convinced to sing his own classic Lean on Me. That was the standout moment for the Bill Withers segment. I just wanted to mention some details of the Bill Withers segment in his honor. Hopefully, some of you have comments on Bill Withers and the other acts of 2015 so far. I just want to make an honorable mention of the 5 Royales. The 5 Royales were inducted in the Early influence category. I know extremely little about them. I think my Dad knew about them. Someone on here said to mention groups and acts in the Early Influence category. Not sure who. I think I know their version of Dedicated to the One I Love from 1958. I just wanted to mention them. Stay tuned for the famous Music Excellence act.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/4/2020 @ 05:42am


Now then as I continue my series. Ringo Starr was inducted into the Rn'R Hall of FAme in 2015. He is of course the legendary drummer of the Beatles. The Hall didn't feel his solo career made him deserved in the performer category of the Hall. But Ringo Starr certainly qualified for the Musical Excellence category. So even though he was Not inducted as a performer that didn't stop the Ceremony planners from making him the headline.for 2015.

Ringo sang lead on an occasional song with the Beatles. This includes Act Naturally,Yellow Submarine, With a Little Help from my Friends, Don't Pass me By and Octopus's Garden. So he sang some nice songs with the Beatles.

Upon the Beatles' split, Starr went solo with two odd solo albums called Sentimental J Beaucoups of Blues. Starr then had some Top Ten hits with "It Don't Come Easy",'Back off Boogaloo" "Photograph" and "You're Sixteen." With assistance from the 3 other Ex-Beatles he made the album, Ringo.

I am going to skip a long to 1983. His 1983 effort Old Wave did not find a U.S. distributor. Starr was also suffering from the excesses of his lifestyle, but by the late '80s he had cleaned up his act and put together a new lineup, the "All-Starr Band," which toured in 1989. Featuring a rotating lineup of high-profile musicians -- Joe Walsh, Nils Lofgren, and Levon Helm among them -- the All-Starr Band went on to tour multiple times for over 20 years. Ringo toured with his tenth All-Starr ensemble in 2008, populating the lineup with past participants (Colin Hay, Billy Squier, Hamish Stuart, and Edgar Winter) and new additions (keyboardist Gary Wright and drummer Gregg Bissonette). Ringo has become known for his All Star Band ensembles. It was announced in early 2015 that Ringo would be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame that year. He used parts of his All Starr Band and the 2015 ceremony. It was of course Paul McCartney that inducted Ringo. Nothing makes more sense than that. Ringo, together with Green Day played Boys. After that Ringo sang It Don't Come Easy and I Wanna be Your Man. Then to close the Whole show was With a Little Help from my Friends. Paul came on stage for that and along with a lot of others. It was a cool All Star Jam. Pardon the pun. There you have it. I will give you guys a few days to catch up on the 2015 class.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/5/2020 @ 07:16am


So there you have it. A couple of you have commented on Joan J and Blackhearts and Paul Butterfield B B. I would expect some to comment and even criticize about Green Day rushed in for induction for 2015. There are other 90s acts that could have been nominated and inducted. I think Stevie Ray Vaughan and Bill Withers are among the strongest inductees for 2015. I notice nobody besides me commemorated the passing of Bill Withers. They inducted him in time. He was inducted while alive.

It makes sense that Ringo Starr headlined. Obviously due to being a Beatle. Beatles songs make for goood All Star Jams. He is probably the most successful act in Musical Excellence category to be inducted. I don't even feel Ringo is the best drummer ever. I love Keith Moon the most as a Rock drummer. But Ringo is charismatic.I will continue to give you guys time for response.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/6/2020 @ 05:46am


BEN
Let's be honest here! Say Ringo Starr was some random drummer named Chris Clark or Roy Smith. Not in The Beatles. Think he would have been inducted?! If YES and I'm Cyndi Lauper! The Hall noticed 1 day they had 3/4 Beatles inducted as solo acts. It made sense for symmetry and completeness to induct Ringo Starr. Ringo is an interesting character. His All Stars band is legitimate featuring excellent musicians. Maybe, that helped him over the top. Do you remember the movie Over The Top with Stallone? Ringo is inducted twice but Procol Harum and Trower have not been inducted once. There isn't much justice for Procol Harum. Other than being Beatles, I don't think I would have inducted George Harrison's, John Lennon's, and Ringo Starr's solo careers.
On Bill Withers: Sorry to hear he passed at 81. FAV Songs: Ain't No Sunshine and Lovely Day. I was surprised Bill Withers was inducted 1st time around but it was a weak ballot. He had a very good voice. They say it's a baritone but I think his range is higher. He was also on Just The Two Of Us. That was 1 of my 1st FAV Songs. It was good to see Mr. Withers inducted while he was alive. Withers could have been a comedian. His acceptance induction speech was filled with funny quips and sharp wit. Will miss him. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 04/6/2020 @ 06:17am


BEN
I forgot to mention Green Day. When Dookie started to catch fire, I believe I was 19 or 20. Something around that age. Basketcase is my FAV song off that. She is another song probably #2 and When I Come Around #3. It was a punk sound with good melody. They were just kids then. A little older than me. Dookie is definitely a 1990's Classic. Green Day appeared to me a group with staying power. I was proven right. There's something about trios that produce a lot of power and longevity. Rush and ZZ Top spring to mind. Nimrod I think was okay but I like Dookie better. I liked the Warning album even though others did not. Macy's Day Parade, Church On Sunday, Warning jump out as songs I enjoyed. No doubt, American Idiot propelled Green Day back as a top act. It put them on the RRHOF path. A Classic album. American Idiot, Boulevard Of Broken Dreams, Wake Me When September Ends etc. They found their MAGIC on that album. Probably the legendary groups have 3 or 4 of these Classic Albums. I know it won plenty of awards. Green Day would be somewhere in my Top 20 groups. Maybe in 12-15. Vocally Billie Joe delivers and the band is tight. I think they deserved 1st ballot when you think Elvis Costello and The Pretenders did. They helped punk have a 90's resurgence although they have their detractors. Although if they had waited two or 3 years for induction, I could have settled for that too. Green Day could write hit songs. Not every group has that talent. KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 04/6/2020 @ 11:19am


King ,

Great response. I knew some of you would know Green Day more than me. So I guess you dug their Induction a lot. They were inducted in 1st Year eligible. Your comments were cool on Bill Withers. He had a great voice.

I see what you mean about Ringo. They wanted alll the Beatles inducted for their solo acts. No, if Ringo had been an average Shmo like Roy Smith I don't think he would be inducted

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/6/2020 @ 12:10pm


King,

I just want to say I did not realize about all those awards of Green Day. I like Basket Case and Longview quite a bit. The reason I don't know about all those awards and Albums is was not a fan.I was already 29 when Dookie came out. The last album I know somewhat from Green Day is Nimrod. I have heard of the titles Warning and American Idiot but have never known songs on those. Thanks for the extra info on Green Day. I think the problem for me is I'm not a big punk fan in the first place. I am certainly not as Prog driven as Enig but am not a big Punk guy.

I am a huge fan of Stevie Ray Vaughan. I know almost all his albums. I notice you skipped him in comments. You may not know SR Vaughan that well. He was embedded in the Blues. Nice comments too on Bill Withers. It was a weak ballot so Bill Withers was one of the stronger nominees for 2015. Ain't No Sunshine and Lovely Day are 2 of my favs from him too. Just the Two of Us is also a great song. It was certainly good to see Bill Withers inducted while he was alive. As far as Ringo Starr I must admit I own very little of his solo stuff. I only own 2 of his solo hits. I do like his All Star Band stuff. There has been some great musicians in those ensembles. I think helped Ringo a lot. I think we are wrapping up 2015. But I do want to give other regulars like WIll N and K-Dawg. They seem to be following the series very well too.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/7/2020 @ 05:09am


BEN
I really don't know much about Stevie Ray Vaughan. The song Caught In The Crossfire sounded pretty good. However, I remember as a newspaper carrier delivering the newspapers around the neighborhood. It had a front page story about the Stevie Ray Vaughan crash and his death. It was very sad seeing a rising musician star extinguished. Perhaps Vaughan would have been like Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton are today...A guitar legend in their 70's with enormous respect. Maybe, he would have dabbled into country music or another genre. It seems many promising musicians have tragic endings whether it's alcohol and drug overdoses, car accidents, plane crashes etc. That would be a good Masters or PHD thesis paper. Are musicians at more risk to die young from the constant traveling, periods of loneliness recording and writing, and large amount of money they earn? Or is each case just an independent event and has no correlation? Good series Ben! U dig! KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 04/7/2020 @ 07:56am


Up until 2015, Stevie Ray Vaughan was, to me, one of the more baffling Rock Hall snubs. As a kid, my dad would blast Texas Flood all the time, so I grew up loving that album. I truly believe SRV is every bit as good, if not better, of a guitarist than Hendrix, but Jimi came first. I think what makes SRV's tragic death even sadder was that he was a guy who got clean and had stayed clean, and was really getting his life together.

I'm really enjoying these series, Ben. Looking forward to see what you have to say about Lou Reed before you move to 2016.

Posted by Greg P. on Tuesday, 04/7/2020 @ 10:39am


Greg P.,

Yeah I skipped Lou Reed. I would have included him if not for Rushing to get to nice coverage of Bill Withers, Also to me 2015 was a weak class. I usually skip someone when it's a weak class. At one time in my life I valued Lou Reed as great performer. I have bought some of his albums I found that he has lot of weak solo material. I like his main tunes Walk on the Wild Side and Sweet Jane live the most, Lou Reed was more successful as a solo artist than with Velvet Underground. But the bigger accomplishments were with Velvet Underground.They were inducted in 1996. He died in 2013 of liver disease. Reed got success when David Bowie and Mick Ronson produced his second album, Transformer. A more energetic set that had some influence of glam rock, it also included his sole Top 20 hit, "Walk on the Wild Side," and other good songs like "Vicious" and "Satellite of Love." It also made him a star in Britain, which was quick to appreciate the influence Reed had exerted on Bowie and other glam rockers. Reed went into more serious territory on Berlin (1973), its sweet orchestral production coating lyrical messages of despair and suicide. In some ways Reed's most ambitious and impressive solo effort, strange reaction by critics.. Unbelievably, in retrospect, it made the Top Ten in Britain, though it flopped stateside.

When he decided to play it relatively straight and sincere, he could produce nice work in the spirit of his best vintage material (parts of Coney Island Baby and Street Hassle). I own those 2 albums. Coney Island has some decent tunes like Crazy Feeling and Charley's Girl. But there is others like Oooooh Baby and Nobody's Business that are dull and silly. I own Street Hassle but don't even remember how it is. I also own New York from 1989. It heralded both a commercial and critical come back for Reed, and in truth it was his best work in quite some time, although it didn't break any new ground.

Lou Reed was inducted in 2015 for his solo career. One could say he was overdue after his death. I just didnt value his career enough to originally include it. I would be curious how a couple of you feel about Lou Reed solo. I thought the other acts in 2015 were a bit more deserved at that time. But yes I do also remember it was a cool way to honor him,. Soo I have mixed feelings of Lou Reed. What are some of your thoughts.

I will end though with a few more comments on Ringo He was nominated based on being a Beatle. But I will remind people he was inducted in the Musical Excellence category. I forgot to remind everyone of that. This way he was Not competing with deserved performers, In Theory Procol Harum or Moody Blues or Procol Harum could have been inducted as a Performer while Ringo was a Musical Excellence. Of course Ringo was made a Headline anyway. Ringo provided a good All Star Jam for 2015 with the tune With a Little Help from my Friends. Ok. Final thoughts on 2015 are welcome

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/7/2020 @ 12:39pm


BEN
I forgot to mention Green Day's Insomniac yesterday. A strong follow-up to Dookie. Brain Stew was a pretty good song. Honestly, I probably liked Dookie better because Basket Case and When I Come Around were on that album. Green Day were young RRHOF inductees and at this point have nothing to prove. Groups like AIC, Green Day, Pearl Jam, RHCP, etc will carry rock into the 2020's. It appears Ben that your series has resonated with the FRL regulars. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 04/7/2020 @ 12:57pm


King,

I would say so, You may recall I have extended it to 2017 in light of the Virus crisis we are in. But I will still Not cover the last couple. Because Many of us have referred to those in recent times. And hey this way I won't focus on the Moody Blues for instance at all. They are one of my favorite groups of all time but my series is designed to deal with slightly Older classes. The next class will be 2016. We can all remember that one as the one that followed the firing of alll the Oldest committee members. They were the experts on the 50s and early 60s. That's all I will say right now. In fact 2016 was a very good class. It's when they addressed the back log. Stay tuned. Will N and K-Dawg may want more time for 2015

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/7/2020 @ 15:48pm


John Prine has succumbed to the Coronavirus. He becomes a leading candidate for early influence...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/7/2020 @ 22:20pm


R.I.P. John Prine...

I hope to see you and the many others that succumbed to the virus from the other side

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 04/7/2020 @ 22:25pm


I have a blurb on Green Day. As I have been a fan of theirs since the days of Dookie, they are definitely a worthy HOF choice. That being said, I feel they are one of the bands, like some recent additions, who went in too soon. Their punk influences, Sex Pistols, the Clash, and the Ramones, indeed were all in, but Green Day caught fire when the grunge scene was in full effect. New wave definitely should have been recognized before they got their induction, as should have Pearl Jam and maybe a couple other first wave grunge acts got their due. From 1995 to 2005, they were absolutely smashing and couldn't be topped. I preferred their more in your face style songs, like "Basketcase", "American Idiot", "Nice Guys Finish Last" and "Warning", but they found their best success with "Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)", which was every senior class's song in 1998 and '99, and "Boulevard of Broken Dreams", which catapulted them into superstar status. That album, their biggest seller to date, was far more pop and away from their punk roots as you could get. It is the same thing that will slam Adam Levine and Maroon 5 into the RRHOF in 2026 on their first year of eligibility, the fact they are one of the biggest selling bands by moving away from their sound and dabbling in pop.

I will need some time to finish compiling on the other acts, but that was a critique that I gave for Billie Jo and his brothers, not a knock on them at the slightest, but maybe they should've waited 5 more years while the 80s and early 90s rounded out the genre more.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/7/2020 @ 23:53pm


K-Dawg,

I agree with the majority of your points on Green Day. They were one of the most important bands to me growing up, and I think with American Idiot they hold an important place in Rock history as one of the last times that a rock band was really able to capture the mainstream cultural zeitgeist.

I do, however, strongly disagree with your Maroon 5 comparison/prediction. With Green Day, their turn was from a fun, immature pop punk band to a popular, more mature and political mainstream rock band. Their change in sound gave them critical acclaim and a lot of respect they did not have before. If they had stopped after their 90s albums, they certainly would not have gotten in as soon as they did, if at all.

With Maroon 5, they changed from a solid acoustic pop rock band to a group producing an endless stream of extremely popular soulless radio pop. Basically everything they have done while popular has been critically reviled in spite of its popularity. I would compare Maroon 5 much more to popular 70s/80s groups like Foreigner or Bon Jovi - groups that were very popular but nowhere near respected or acclaimed enough to get in immediately. Not saying it will never happen, but I don't think it will happen as soon as you think.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 04/8/2020 @ 01:06am


K-Dawg,

There you go. Excellent response. Thats what I was trying to say. Green Day were inducted in 1st year of eligibility. It's not as a clear a case for that to happen with them as Nirvana or Pearl Jam. It seems tome Soundgarden could have been inducted instead in 2015. But Hey such is life. Or any of the 80s bands could have been inducted instead. For instance Journey or Duran Duran could have been inducted earlier. And yes, I know Duran Duran are still Not inducted. Some of you guys have way more knowledge than me on Green Day. I agree, Green Day could have waited perhaps 4 or 5 years.

I would love to see your critique on Joan Jett and the B's, Stevie Ray Vaughn and Bill Withers. Hey and also Ringo Starr. Don't forget Ringo was inducted in Musical Excellence NOT performer. Anyway, Hear from Ya. I will wait awhile on 2016. Heyyy Will N. You should chime in when able.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/8/2020 @ 05:36am


R.I.P. John. I saw him several years ago at ROMP Music Fest. Both he & the crowd had a great time! Sure glad I saw him.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 04/8/2020 @ 06:22am


Ben,
Yes, I did offer up some opinions on Joan Jett recently when someone asked a question about Pat Benatar. While I am a big fan of The Runaways and Joan Jett, I still hold true that Pat B.'s career with her band far outdistances what Joan Jett and The Blackhearts have accomplished. Joan may have gone in a few years early, but I do not have a problem with it, because of her undying commitment to Rock and Roll. But I still feel that Pat Benatar is overdue by 2 or 3 years. I did elaborate recently on why I think she was snubbed. I love Joan Jett and The Blackhearts, and The Runaways, who have to be considered separately , and you have to admit Joan Jett did a lot of covers, which is cool, but her hits were covers by Tommy James and The Shondells, The Arrows, and Gary Glitter. Also how can we deny that Suzi Quattro was a big influence on her, and is virtually ignored by the Rock Hall, which is a real shame there..
On Bill Withers, who is an amazing talent, but I really only knew of him when I was a young teenager. "Lean On Me" was just a super huge, genre and racial crossing hit, that with just a limited body of work and a few hits, got him into the Hall. I think anyone who heard that song in the 70's was impacted someway by the song, it was that strong..
Stevie Ray Vaughn was very well deserving, who unfortunately met with a tragic demise, but left us with a very impressive body of work in the Blues/Rock department. I did not go deep into his material, besides the radio airplay, though I do own "Texas Flood", which is excellent, and although I am not a big Blues guy, I am sure Stevie Ray and Double Trouble have quite a few outstanding tunes that do not get the recognition they may deserve.
Ringo Starr is an icon. He is deserving just because of who he is. The dude is one of the coolest musician and person ever in the history of Rock. He epitomizes the Rock music industry and is no doubt worshipped by the majority of it. He may have not created the best music or albums over the years, but his work with The Beatles, his solo stuff, side projects, and the All Star Band, has been consistently very good over the decades. Remember, he did some drumming for the Plastic Ono Band with John Lennon also.. Very deserving IMO, I love his solo stuff, "Goodnight Vienna", "Photograph", "IT Don't Come Easy", "Back Off Boogaloo", and the "No No Song", plus a few others. I wish I had seen the All Star Band when he had some killer lineups, but I kind of overlooked it at the time.
Which leaves us with Green Day, of whom I am a fan, but not a fanatic. Who did not like "Dookie" when it came out, they whole album kicks ass, although now I would prefer "American Idiot" as their best record and they have a few others that are great as well. I would say I have about 5 of their CD's, but I am not the expert here to rate them. I feel that they probably went in a few years too early, but so have many others, so I am OK with it. I would consider Green Day in a similar league with Red Hot Chili Peppers, though I do prefer RHCP, and feel that the Peppers are more talented with more diverse material, and extensive body of work. None the less, Green Day is in, which is a good thing, but there are still about 15 to 25 deserving artists that are still sitting out there, being overlooked, passed over, or tossed aside that deserve more recognition and attention. I do have to point out that nominating Thin Lizzy, T. Rex, Pat Benatar, Motorhead, and finally The Doobie Brothers indicates a movement in the right direction.. Ben, I am good for awhile.. Everybody, listen to some John Prine, and be safe.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 04/8/2020 @ 23:13pm


Will N.,

That is an awesome post on the 2015 class. We are on the same page with rock usually. And I know that you are a few years older than me so you are one of the guys with the most Rock experience. Perhaps before you run off you can answer question about shows in the 70s, Did you get to see some of the old greats like Allman Brothers B,Gr Dead, Clapton, The Who, Led Zep etc when it was still during the 1970s. I see you as also seeing Blue Oyster Cult and Deep Purple in concert. I would love to know about your old concert experience. 1980 and before.

I actually saw Joan Jett & the Blackhearts by surprise in 1983 during a senior trip in High School. You certainly like your share of Joan Jett.
I go back just far enough to when Bill Withers had his huge hit with Lean On Me. Lean on Me was a huge super hit when I was 7 year old.. I got into AM radio a lot around 7 years old. I heard that song in the 70s and was impacted by it. There is other great tunes he had like Ain't No Sunshine, Lovely Day and Railroad Man. Check out Railroad Man. I discovered that tune at the time he was inducted in 2015. I don't remember hearing Railroad Man before that.
Stevie Ray Vaughn was very well deserving. He met his tragic demise in 1990. I did go deep into his material. I own alll his regular albums but not the Out take albums. My 2 fav albums are Texas Flood and Couldn't Stand the Weather.He has a lot of outstanding tunes. Since you have Texas Flood check out Couldnt Stand the Weather. Some outstanding tunes on it are his version of Voodoo Chile as well as Cold Shot and Tin Pan Alley. He has other outstanding tunes on Soul to Soul.
Ringo Starr certainly is an icon just for being in the Beatles. He is worshiped by a lot of the Rock music industry. He was inducted in the Musical Excellence category so as not to compete acts deserving in the Performer category. I like some of his solo stuff. But I only own It Don't Come Easy and You're Sixteen. I do own an album of the All Star Band somewhere, I dig the All Star Band. I overlooked them at first but caught up with that around 1999. That should be wrap up on 2015. You helped wrap it up. We are good for some time. RIP John Prine. I will listen to some.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/9/2020 @ 05:08am


I am coming up on covering the 2016 class. Before I get into all that. I want remind everyone that it was just before this one that the oldest committee members were fired. They were the experts of the 1950s and early 60s. Essentialy it was the ones from the first decade of Rock N'Roll 1954-1964 that were let go. It happens that I do not know that first decade very well. I mean I know some Elvis and Chuck Berry and even know some tunes by guys like Lloyd Price. But as with so many others my personal music knowledge begins with 1964 and 1965, which brought the rise of the Beatles,Rolling Stones. Bob Dylan,Motown etc. Some of you know this about me. By 2015 it had been awhile since a 50s type act was inducted as a Performer.I recall the last act of that type inducted was Little Anthony & the Imperials. I remember though it was only primarily the experts of that era that were let go. I am sure many of them were close to 80 and were therefore looking to retire soon anyway. Those experts had a good run. I mentioned that the 5 Royales were inducted as an early influence in 2015. I guess that was a last hoorah.

The firing of those Experts was a game changer for the Hall. But the experts of 1960s music have remained.It just meant that it became much more difficult for 50s type acts to be inducted. It is sad this happened but I guess it was part of updating the Hall. The ballot of nominees was different for 2016. Actually this ballot ignored 60s too. I think it was a great ballot. It stressed the 1970s and 80s. The Hall finally wanted to address the big back log at long last. While it was sad about those firings. My eras of the 1960s,70s and 80s remain intact. I just wanted to say alll that. I won;t name any yet but Inductees for 2016 are coming. I think it was a terrific class. A lot of you are younger than me. I'm one of the oldest here these days. I'm lucky I experienced great 60s acts. 2016 is coming. Stay tuned

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/10/2020 @ 07:06am


Ok. We are up to the 2016 class. Deep Purple is among the pioneers of heavy metal and Hard rock. They were finally inducted in 2016. They originally formed as a psychedelic rock but shifted to a heavy sound. At one point they were considered the world's loudest band. They had a lot of line up changes.

Deep Purple are from England. They went through lots of personnel changes. The addition of Ian Gillan and Roger Glover had the band starting fresh. Together with Ritchie Blackmore, Jon Lord and Ian Paice this was the classic lineup. They released Deep Purple in Rock and Fireball.

Plans to record a followup,Machine Head,were ruined after the venue burned down, but the experience inspired the All time classic Smoke on the Water. The song, was on on the classic Machine Head, reached the U.S. Top Five in mid-1972 and positioned Deep Purple among rock's elite; the band consolidated its status with the 1973 studio follow-up Who Do We Think We Are and the hit "Woman from Tokyo." However, long-simmering creative differences between Blackmore and Gillan pushed the latter out of the group that same year, with Glover soon exiting as well. Singer David Coverdale and bassist/singer Glenn Hughes were recruited for 1974's Burn..

After completing 1974's Stormbringer, Blackmore left Deep Purple as well, to form Rainbow with vocalist Ronnie James Dio; his replacement was ex-James Gang guitarist Tommy Bolin, who made his debut on Come Taste the Band. All the changes clearly took their toll, however, and following a farewell tour, the group dissolved in 1976. Coverdale, meanwhile, went on to form Whitesnake, and Bolin died of a drug overdose later in the year.

The classic lineup of Blackmore, Gillan, Lord, Glover, and Paice reunited Deep Purple in 1984 for a new album, the platinum smash Perfect Strangers. There was a couple other albums of the reunited band. There was a bunch of other albums in the 90s. They were given the Box set treatment in 1999 with hits,demos, outtakes, etc. I will skip ahead to 2016. Deep Purple were finally inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame. They gave a great performance with Hush, Highway Star and Smoke on the Water. I have a bunch of favs from Deep Purple. Those are 3 favs there. I also love Strange Kind of Woman, Space Truckin and Woman from Tokyo. Deep Purple opened the 2016. I think that was a good rockin way to get it going. I mean remember discussing this class as it approached. I wanted the Moody Blues so bad. But hey Deep Purple, Steve Miller and Chicago were all inducted as a way of catching up on the Back log. I have gotten 2016 started. You guys can give critiques on Deep Purple if you want. Steve Miller is coming. It should have been the Steve Miller Band. Anyway,stay tuned.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/10/2020 @ 14:15pm


Ok. We are up to the 2016 class. Deep Purple is among the pioneers of heavy metal and Hard rock. They were finally inducted in 2016. They originally formed as a psychedelic rock but shifted to a heavy sound. At one point they were considered the world's loudest band. They had a lot of line up changes.

Deep Purple are from England. They went through lots of personnel changes. The addition of Ian Gillan and Roger Glover had the band starting fresh. Together with Ritchie Blackmore, Jon Lord and Ian Paice this was the classic lineup. They released Deep Purple in Rock and Fireball.

Plans to record a followup,Machine Head,were ruined after the venue burned down, but the experience inspired the All time classic Smoke on the Water. The song, was on on the classic Machine Head, reached the U.S. Top Five in mid-1972 and positioned Deep Purple among rock's elite; the band consolidated its status with the 1973 studio follow-up Who Do We Think We Are and the hit "Woman from Tokyo." However, long-simmering creative differences between Blackmore and Gillan pushed the latter out of the group that same year, with Glover soon exiting as well. Singer David Coverdale and bassist/singer Glenn Hughes were recruited for 1974's Burn..

After completing 1974's Stormbringer, Blackmore left Deep Purple as well, to form Rainbow with vocalist Ronnie James Dio; his replacement was ex-James Gang guitarist Tommy Bolin, who made his debut on Come Taste the Band. All the changes clearly took their toll, however, and following a farewell tour, the group dissolved in 1976. Coverdale, meanwhile, went on to form Whitesnake, and Bolin died of a drug overdose later in the year.

The classic lineup of Blackmore, Gillan, Lord, Glover, and Paice reunited Deep Purple in 1984 for a new album, the platinum smash Perfect Strangers. There was a couple other albums of the reunited band. There was a bunch of other albums in the 90s. They were given the Box set treatment in 1999 with hits,demos, outtakes, etc. I will skip ahead to 2016. Deep Purple were finally inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame. They gave a great performance with Hush, Highway Star and Smoke on the Water. I have a bunch of favs from Deep Purple. Those are 3 favs there. I also love Strange Kind of Woman, Space Truckin and Woman from Tokyo. Deep Purple opened the 2016. I think that was a good rockin way to get it going. I mean remember discussing this class as it approached. I wanted the Moody Blues so bad. But hey Deep Purple, Steve Miller and Chicago were all inducted as a way of catching up on the Back log. I have gotten 2016 started. You guys can give critiques on Deep Purple if you want. Steve Miller is coming. It should have been the Steve Miller Band. Anyway,stay tuned.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/10/2020 @ 14:15pm


BEN
I was very excited to see Deep Purple inducted. They were the architects of several Classic songs Burn, Child In Time, Highway Star, Hush, Smoke On The Water, Space Truckin', etc. Ritchie Blackmore is truly a guitar legend and virtuoso. He showed his talent later with Rainbow giving the late singer Ronnie James Dio his big break and now with Blackmore's Night. David Coverdale also has been impressive after Deep Purple. The Whitesnake group has been going pretty steady over 40 years. Selling millions of albums.
Deep Purple closed up shop in 1976 but regrouped with the strong Perfect Strangers in 1984. They are all amazing musicians the late Jon Lord, Ian Paice, Ian Gillan. Deep Purple continues to produce music and tour and were very worthy RRHOF Inductees. They score high in Influence, Innovation, and Musical Excellence. I think my FAV song from Deep Purple is Burn. It just blazes and goes at a fast pace. Come Taste The Band was an underrated album and I think You Keep On Moving was quite brilliant. It's a shame Tommy Bolin died young. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 04/10/2020 @ 15:51pm


Excellent early response with Deep Purple. More on that later. There was a lot of nice catching up on 2016. Steve Miller was another overdue act for the Hall. I would have preferred it as the Steve Miller Band. The way lots of us grew up knowing him. He began his career in blues and blues/rock and evolved into a more pop sound. He had a lot of hits from the mid 70s to early 80s.

Steve Miller's career had 2 parts. One part was as one of the top San Francisco blues-rockers during the late 60s. The other part is as one of the top selling pop/rock acts of the mid to late 70s. He had huge success with albums like Fly Like an Eagle.
He had success with early albums like Sailor. He had a bunch of less known albums in the early 70s. He broke his neck in a car accident,which put him out of commission during 1972 and 73.

Miller spent his recuperation time reinventing himself as a blues-influenced pop/rocker, writing compact, melodic, catchy songs. This approach was introduced on his 1973 album, The Joker, and was an instant success, with the album selling well and the title track hitting number one on the pop charts. Now an established star, Miller elected to take three years off. He purchased a farm and built his own recording studio, at which he crafted the wildly successful albums Fly Like an Eagle and Book of Dreams at approximately the same time. Fly Like an Eagle was released in 1976 and eclipsed its predecessor in terms of quality and sales (over four million copies) in spite of the long downtime in between. It also gave Miller his second number one hit with "Rock'n Me," plus several other hits Book of Dreams was almost as successful, selling over three million copies and producing several hits as well. All of the hits from Miller's first three pop-oriented albums were collected on Greatest Hits 1974-1978, which contains a lot of my favorites. I know and like the Steve Miller stuff of the 70s and 80s.
Miller again took some time off, not returning until late 1981 with the disappointing Circle of Love. Just six months later, Miller rebounded with Abracadabra; the title track gave him his third number one hit. The remaining albums released in the '80s -- Italian X Rays,1984; Living in the 20th Century, 1986; and Born 2B Blue, 1988 -- weren't consistent enough to be critically or commercially successful. The early '90s saw Miller return to form with Wide River and the release of a retrospective box set compiled by the artist himself. Miller continued to headline shows into the 2000s, sharing the bill with classic rock acts such as 2008 tourmate Joe Cocker. Some of my favs from the Steve Miller Band are Fly like an Eagle, Wild Mountain Honey, Rock n' me, Take the Money and Run, Jet Airliner, Winter Time and True Fine Love. I own a couple of his albums. His 2016 induction was very cool. He should have been inducted many years before. Steve Miller played at the Ceremony. The tunes were The Joker, Fly Like an Eagle and Rock n' Me. He was part of this cool class of 2016. Ok guys. Go ahead. There is couple from 2016. I will hear from some of ya.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 04/10/2020 @ 17:59pm


Chicago are a great classic American rock band. They described themselves as a "rock and roll band with horns". They popularized Jazz rock. They began with political type songs but later moved to a softer sound,making a lot of hit ballads. Chicago is is one of the longest running and one of the world's best-selling groups of all time. They were finally inducted in 2016. They were certainly very overdue.

There was a lot of guys in the band. There has always been. Walter Pazaider, Lee Loughlin and James Pankow were some of the founding members. Others like Terry Kath joined and they got hold of Peter Cetera as a singer. James Guercio became the band's manager and producer. Their first album was called Chicago Transit Authority. and was released in 1969. The album was taken up by free form FM rock stations.

To Guercio's surprise, he was contacted by the real Chicago Transit Authority, which oopposed the band's use of the name; he responded by shortening the name to simply "Chicago." They were known as Chicago from then on. In 1970 they released Chicago II. Chicago II vaulted into the Top Ten even before its first single, "Make Me Smile," hit the charts. The single was an excerpt from a musical suite, and the band at first objected to the editing considered necessary to prepare it for AM radio play. But it went on to reach the Top Ten, as did its successor, "25 or 6 to 4." The album quickly went gold and eventually platinum. In the fall of 1970, Columbia released "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?," drawn from the group's first album, as its next single; it gave them their third consecutive Top Ten hit.
Chicago III was released in 1971. There were no Top Ten hits, however, Columbia, released "Beginnings" (from the first album) backed with "Colour My World" (from the second) to give Chicago more hits. Next up was a live album, the four-disc box set Chicago at Carnegie Hall, which, despite its size, crested in the Top Five and sold over a million copies. Chicago V, a one-LP set, released in July 1972, spent nine weeks at number one on its way to selling over two million copies, spurred by its gold-selling Top Ten hit "Saturday in the Park." Chicago VI followed a year later and repeated the same success, launching the Top Ten singles "Feelin' Stronger Every Day" and "Just You 'n' Me." I enjoy this period of Chicago the most. I am talking about 1969-1975.

The next Top Ten hit, "(I've Been) Searchin' So Long," was released in advance of Chicago VII in late 1974. It's an Ok song but not as good as other hits. "Call on Me" was another hit.. Chicago VIII, which marked the promotion of sideman percussionist Laudir de Oliveira as a full-fledged bandmember, appeared in the spring of 1975, spawned the Top Ten hit "Old Days," and became the band's fourth consecutive number one LP. After the profit-taking Chicago IX: Chicago's Greatest Hits in the fall of 1975 came Chicago X, which missed hitting number one but eventually sold over two million copies, in part because of the inclusion of the huge number one single "If You Leave Me Now." Chicago XI, released in the late summer of 1977, continued the seemingly endless string of success, reaching the Top Ten, selling a million copies, and generating the Top Five hit "Baby, What a Big Surprise."

Then Terry Kath, a gun enthusiast, accidentally shot and killed himself on January 23, 1978. Though he, like most of the other members of the band, was not readily recognizable outside the group, he had actually had a large say in its direction, and his loss was incalculable. Nevertheless, the band closed ranks and went on. They were in a slum for a bit and in 1981 releases Greatest Hits Vol. 2. After that they were looking for a new approach.

They released Chicago 16 in the spring of 1982, with the single "Hard to Say I'm Sorry," which topped the charts, leading to a major comeback. The album returned Chicago to million-selling Top Ten status. Chicago 17, released in the spring of 1984, was even more successful -- in fact, the biggest-selling album of the band's career -- with platinum certifications for six million copies as of 1997. It spawned two Top Five hits, "Hard Habit to Break" and "You're the Inspiration. This is Not a period of theirs I am so proud of. But Chicago had already proved themselves as great legendary band.

Then Peter Cetera left the band for a solo career in 1985. They had more hits in 1988. As the 90s came along there was more personnel changes. And albums released sold disappointingly. But hey they were a legendary Classic group. They continued touring successfully every summer.

Chicago was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2016. They were inducted by Rob Thomas. Chicago performed Saturday in the Park, Does Anybody Really Know What time is is I think and 25 or 6 to 4. It was Without Peter Cetera. Chicago were finally inducted. Ok. Guys there is a few to critique.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/11/2020 @ 08:26am


Here's an updated list of the most certified bands in America who are not in the Hall. Both eligibles and future eligibles with the inclusion of albums, digital and standard singles, EP's, video albums, video singles, and even ringtones. Hope you guys enjoy it!

1. Maroon 5- 121.5 Million
2. Linkin Park- 63.6 Million
3. Florida Georgia Line- 56 Million
4. Twenty One Pilots- 49 Million
5. Alabama- 46.8 Million
6. Foreigner- 45.5 Million
7. The Dixie Chicks- 40.8 Million
8. Panic! At the Disco- 38 Million
9. Coldplay- 36.6 Million
10. Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million
11. Rascal Flatts- 33.7 Million
12. Fall Out Boy- 33 Million
13. Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million
14. Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million
15. Boston- 31 Million
16. Imagine Dragons- 30 Million
17. The Carpenters- 29.6 Million
18. Lady Antebellum- 28.05 Million
19. Nickelback- 27.8 Million
20. Motley Crue- 26.8 Million
21. REO Speedwagon- 26 Million
22. Creed- 26 Million
23. 3 Doors Down- 25. 8 Million
24. Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million
25. OneRepublic- 24 Million
26. Sade- 23.5 Million
27. Kansas- 23 Million
28. Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million
29. The Fray- 22.5 Million
30. Paramore- 22 Million
31. Fun- 22 Million
32. Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million
33. Daughtry- 20 Million
34. Three Days Grace- 20 Million
35. The Monkees- 18 Million
36. Dan + Shay- 18 Million
37. Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million
38. Styx- 17.5 Million
39. Korn- 17.25 Million
40. Limp Bizkit- 17 Million
41. Bad Company- 16.650 Million
42. Shinedown - 16.550 Million
43. Disturbed- 16.5 Million
44. Casting Crowns- 16.5 Million
45. Sugarland- 16 Million
46. INXS- 16 Million
47. Wings- 16 Million
48. Poison- 15.750 Million
49. No Doubt- 15.6 Million
50. Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million
51. Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million
52. The Offspring- 15 Million
53. The Cranberries- 15 Million
54. Breaking Benjamin- 15 Million
55. The Band Perry- 14.5 Million
56. Evanescence- 14.5 Million
57. Duran Duran- 14 Million
58. Toto- 14 Million
59. My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million
60. Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million
61. Skillet- 13.5 Million
62. Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million
63. Counting Crows- 13 Million
64. Whitesnake- 12.650 Million
65. The Killers- 12.6 Million
66. MercyMe- 12.6 Million
67. Survivor- 12.5 Million
68. Blink 182- 12.1 Million
69. Live- 12 Million
70. Jonas Bros- 11.56 Million
71. Little Big Town- 11.5 Million
72. Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million
73. Savage Garden- 11.5 Million
74. Judas Priest- 11.1 Million
75. Scorpions- 11.1 Million
76. All American Rejects- 11.1 Million
77. Loverboy- 11 Million
78. Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million
79. Owl City- 11 Million
80. Three Dog Night- 11 Million
81. X Ambassadors- 11 Million
82. Old Dominion- 11 Million
83. Godsmack- 10.6 Million
84. Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million
85. 38 Special- 10.5 Million
86. Florence and the Machine- 10.5 Million
87. Bush- 10.5 Million
88. Muse- 10.5 Million
89. Men at Work- 10.5 Million
90. The Black Keys- 10.5 Million
91. Slipknot- 10.2 Million
92. Staind- 10.050 Million
93. Sublime- 10 Million
94. Clean Bandit- 10 Million
95. Air Supply- 9.5 Million
96. Foster the People- 9.5 Million
97. 5 Seconds of Summer- 9.5 Million
98. Tool- 9.3 Million
99. Rage Against the Machine- 9.3 Million
100. Goo Goo Dolls- 9.1 Million

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 04/11/2020 @ 10:36am


I will continue with 2016 later. Cheap Trick is next. What did you guys think of the firing of oldest Committee members. I feel it was sad but it didn't bother me as far as nominees and inductees. A bunch of us talked about it extensively on here in late 2015. It did increase nominees of the 1970s and 80s. I know very little about Little Anthony & the Imperials as example. They were inducted in 2009 when those old experts were still active in the Hall. Darlene Love was probably a result from those experts. I don't know enough about the era to say who is right or wrong to be inducted among the early artist. I have always held respect for the era without knowing it. I think Darlene Love was the last of the early era to be inducted as Performer.
As a result of the Old experts departing there was a greater influx of 1970s and 80s nominees. than ever. The Cars,Chaka Khan, Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, and Janet Jackson are good examples of this. I would like your thoughts on this. It's kind of a side topic.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/12/2020 @ 05:56am


BEN
I think Cheap Trick and their nomination surprised some people. Honestly, I can't remember any FRL Regular selecting Cheap Trick on their final nomination ballot. Cheap Trick has always been admired and respected by musicians. They had more Influence than most believed. Cheap Trick has had a loyal fan following and known as a hard-working band. Zander is an underrated singer. Excellent voice for a long time. Saying that, the whole band is underrated. My FAV Cheap Trick songs would be: Surrender, Dream Police, Ghost Town, I Want You To Want Me, and The Flame. The Lap Of Luxury dropped and was a big hit for Cheap Trick and allowed them some much deserved recognition. You could tell Cheap Trick was honored about the Induction and were good speakers. Telling the story of the band. One of my FAV speeches.
On Steve Miller: I remember later Steve Miller with Abracadabra. That was a big hit that year. Plenty of memorable hits. Rockin' Me, Jet Airliner, Take The Money And Run, etc. He had a good sound, voice, and loved his guitar work. Miller like Cheap Trick had plenty of respect from fellow musicians. He had the votes for Induction. 1 of my FAV Steve Miller songs was the one he talks about winter. Love that one! It's funny looking back at some old posts here. I thought Steve Miller could be nominated and of course he was and inducted. Looked like a genius! Miller probably remembered for his outspoken words on the RRHOF and explaining deficiencies in many areas. Miller's words were well-received by many and some changes have been implemented. I also was frustrated they didn't induct the Steve Miller Band. Did a similar thing with Bob Seger. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 04/12/2020 @ 07:40am


King,

You are certainly active in my series. We get to see who people like and think are deserved in the Past classes. I will cover Cheap Trick later on. On Steve Miller for me: I'm a bit older so I remember somewhat earlier Steve Miller with Rock n'Me. It was a huge hit when I was 11 years old. I heard that song everyday back in Fall 1976. Plenty of memorable hits and albums. You should check out the Book of Dreams albums. It was huge for the Steve Miller Band in 1977. The song about winter you are talking about is Winter Time. It's on that Book of Dreams album. There is a great tune called Sacrifice that shows off his guitar work. I saw Steve Miller Band once in concert.

I would love to see your critiques on Deep Purple and Chicago. I think you have praised them a lot before. I still remember we were both very pleased with the 2016 class. The Hall realized their mistakes. Hear from on those other 2 2016 inductees and anyone else chime in. Ben

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/12/2020 @ 08:42am


Dude, it might be interesting to divide those numbers by number of years of an act's existence. So many million per year would give an idea of who have sold the most in the least amount of time.

Hope you are staying safe!

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 04/12/2020 @ 09:37am


Cheap Trick was definitely a surprise in 2016. I never expected them to be inducted. Even when they were nominated I thought the Cars or Yes would be inducted. Those 2 were nominated that year. I own Live at Budokhan and a few other songs. Some of my fav Cheap Trick songs are Surrender,I want you to Want Me,Dream Police,Tonight It's You and the Flame.

Cheap Trick's concerts at Budokhan were legendary. The live album didn't appear until the band's third album, 1978's Heaven Tonight. That third album captured both the loud, raucous energy of Cheap Trick's debut and the hook-laden songcraft of In Color, leading to their first big single, "Surrender," which peaked at number 62. However, the live performances on At Budokan (1979) captured the band's energetic, infectious live show, resulting in their commercial breakthrough in America. The album stayed on the charts for over a year, peaking at number four and eventually selling over three million copies. Meanwhile, a live version of "I Want You to Want Me" became their first Top Ten hit. Later that year, the group released their fourth studio album, Dream Police, which followed the same stylistic approach as Heaven Tonight. It also followed At Budokan into the Top Ten, selling over a million copies and launching the Top 40 hit singles "Voices" and "Dream Police." In the summer of 1980, the group released an EP of tracks recorded between 1976-1979 called Found All the Parts.

Following the recording of the George Martin-produced All Shook Up, Released toward the end of 1980, All Shook Up performed respectably, peaking at number 24 and going gold, yet the single "Stop This Game" failed to crack the Top 40. One on One appeared in 1982. The record was more successful than All Shook Up. Nevertheless, the group was entering a downhill commercial slide, despite the fact that its music was becoming increasingly polished. Next Position Please, released in 1983. Standing on the Edge (1985) and The Doctor (1986) were the same way, as the group were slowly losing their creative spark.

The group began work on a new record with the help of several professional songwriters. The resulting effort, Lap of Luxury, was a platinum Top 20 hit, featuring the number one power ballad "The Flame" and a Top Ten hit with Elvis Presley's "Don't Be Cruel." Busted, released in 1990, wasn't as successful as Lap of Luxury.

Cheap Trick released a bunch of albums I know very little about in the 90s. They continued touring the world. In 2016 Cheap Trick were inducted into the Hall. Cheap Trick closed the show with 3 of their biggest songs Dream Police,I Want You to Want Me and Surrender. They gave a decent all star jam with Ain't That a Shame I recall. They aren't a favorite band of mine. But I feel they deserved induction. Everybody give your thoughts.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/12/2020 @ 13:06pm


Ben,

When you get to the 2017, 2018 and 2019 classes, I will be much more interested in commenting. Otherwise, I have been very busy at work during the past 3 months and I have also been doing more cooking, lately.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 04/13/2020 @ 00:21am


Enig,

I will get to 2017 perhaps at the end of the week. You should know I planned on the series ending with 2017. The more recent ones have been discussed and referred to recently. I extended it from 2016 to 2017.Also,it's tedious doing this series. I've Been doing it a long while. I started it in November. I was going to change over to early predictions for 2021. And also deal even more with concerns at home during this time. I am planning some cleaning projects. But I am including 2017. You will like that class.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/13/2020 @ 04:49am


Quick side note: I recently saw a video where Led Zepp and Aerosmith were playing together at Zepp's HOF induction in 1995. I see all these people saying how honored Aerosmith must have felt to be in the presence of Page and Plant. We forget how dominant Steven Tyler and co. were in the 1970s through the 1990s. They are our American Led Zeppelin. Page, Plant and Jones have said on numerous occasions how they respect the Boys from Boston. I do always recognize Zeppelin as the original metal masters with Sabbath, but am a bit shocked how Aerosmith's light has seemingly diminished when nothing should ever cause it to. Aerosmith is on that same plane

Agreement or nays?

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/13/2020 @ 11:22am


I won't argue with their stats, but from the time Aerosmith did a cover of Come Together in the movie Sgt. Pepper's Lonley Hearts Club Band which was an incredible disaster til the end of the 80s when they managed to resurrect themselves with their MTV videos they really didn't have much of an impact. I don't see how they dominated the 80s. If their light has diminished it's because there's a 10 year doughnut hole there from late 77 to 87.

Posted by joker on Monday, 04/13/2020 @ 15:36pm


Hey Everyone,

I figure I'll get some reactions and critiques for 2016. Deep Purple and Chicago should be 2 that grab attention. It was a small class of 5. They caught up on some classic rock. That was very cool. There was a big backlog by 2015. I think the reason Cheap Trick closed was by default. It seems like in order to be headliner you have to have no problems or gripes going on. And the Whole act or perhaps tribute needs to be running smooth. This covers most of that headline rule. Is it an actual rule. I think if Peter Cetera were being very friendly and joined Chicago that Chicago would have headlined.Someone let me know if there is any rules for an act to Headline. In any case Cheap Trick headlined.It was a surprise that they were even inducted. But the Whole famous line up of the band was there. More Response to 2016 is cool.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/14/2020 @ 06:11am


Hey Ben,
I will post a little input on Deep Purple, Chicago, and Cheap Trick very soon. I've been very busy at work also, with not much free time, but I will make a little, hopefully tomorrow night.. Check you later..

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 04/14/2020 @ 23:30pm


King,

I want to correct myself. You gave an excellent critique on Deep Purple. I saw that. You only skipped Chicago. Maybe you will do Chicago later. You did indeed cover Deep Purple,Steve Miller and Cheap Trick. Chicago you skipped. I recall you like your share of Chicago.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/15/2020 @ 05:05am


On the former Chicago Transit Authority...

I became a fan of theirs by proxy. My first exposure as a kid were "You're the Inspiration" and the ending song from the Karate Kid II. The thing was, in their first exposure to me in the mid to late 80s, they sounded way too much like the vanilla soft pop rock bands, like Alias and Cutting Crew, I felt, so I just kept them as background. Nothing against Peter Cetera, and I've grown to appreciate him as time has gone on, but at that time I was into harder stuff and the burgeoning rap scene, in particular NWA and a guy by the name of LL who I hope does hear his name called one day soon.
"Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is" sounded to me like a 50s standard that I had always enjoyed, but I didn't realize it was Chicago, in its original name, until the early 90s. I'm not against knowing who sings what, just never cared to check it for some reason. Once that happened, I looked into some of their old stuff. Again, with 25 or 6 to 4, a song that really rocked and I had appreciated for a few years, I couldn't believe it was the same band. After that, I kind of got more into their sound, and have a bigger overall appreciation for them. There are bands that have 2 lead singers, but many bands also go through different phases of a career. Aerosmith, RHCP, arguably Metallica. Hell, Rod Stewart reinvents himself every album, it seems. With Chicago, there sound is so diverse, you sometimes have a hard time comparing a 60s/early 70s song with one they made in the mid 80s. It's hard to believe they are the same band.
What have they contributed to Rock and Roll to make them Hall of Fame worthy? That's just it. Their sound is awesome. They can fit almost any genre. Whether they want to sound like Andy Williams or Journey, they fit right in. Sorry if I made this a little different than most of my reviews of bands, I wanted to cover it from my own perspective.

I will have more to say on other bands in coming days. Great series, Ben, but I've said that before

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/15/2020 @ 09:37am


BEN
Chicago made some memorable songs and were before my time. I remember an older Uncle sharing his albums and music in the late 70's and early 80's. A few were Chicago albums. Honestly, I enjoy their more uptempo songs like 25 or 6 to 4 and Saturday In The Park. Just You And Me is also a KING FAV. Kath's death was a monumental loss. Many groups might have folded their tents. He could play awesome guitar, sing, and also 1 of the songwriters. Thankfully, Chicago continued on and I remember Stay The Night. Very good song and video. You're The Inspiration. Cetera is 1 of the best vocalists and a unique voice. He sure makes it look easy. He has had a successful solo career. I think Chicago was deserving for several reasons: 1. Their Influence on later musicians many who became big stars. 2. Musical Excellence 3. Commercial Success and gold and platinum albums. 4. Several Classic Hit Songs that have stood the test of time. 5. Incorporating the horns into the Rock sound advancing rock music and making a signature sound then reinventing themselves again in the 80's. 6. Quality Musicians and some of the best on their instruments. Very respected by other musicians. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 04/15/2020 @ 10:26am


IMO, Chicago was never the same band after Terry died. He was the heart & soul of Chicago in their Imperial Period.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 04/15/2020 @ 14:12pm


In my opinion, Chicago was good for their first 10 years roughly. They started going downhill by the late 70s. But hey they had already proved themselves. All the reasons King said apply to Chicago. They are very deserved for Hall. It's happened many time. Good example is Rod Stewart. He was not inducted for 80s hits like Some Guys Have all the luck. Same here with Chicago. Their influence, Musical Excellence, etc. is all there.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/15/2020 @ 17:59pm


Ben,
I don't have a whole lot to say on Deep Purple or Cheap Trick, but I will get to Chicago first, since they seem to be the group most referenced today. I am not a Chicago fanatic by any means, but they were huge in the mid 70's, one of the best selling bands, and always seemed to be on the top of the charts, especially with their LP's. I was probably more into the Singles hits then due to radio airplay, and everyone knows the early hit, 25 or 6 to 4, and King mentioned a great one, Just You and Me. For me though it is "Feeling Stronger Every Day", which is fantastic and a signature song, and I believe they performed it on Induction night. Also, "Wishing You Were Here" was a massive hit when I was a teenager. "Beginnings" and "Colour My World" are excellent. "Old Days" was very cool, but probably my favorite by Chicago is a more obscure hit called "Questions 67 and 68", which sounds like a high school graduation song, but it is very moving and emotive, IMO. Chicago, I feel could have been nominated and inducted a few years before, but I am very glad they were finally voted in for 2016.
Cheap Trick is a band that may have been inducted prematurely, but I do not have a problem with that, as I feel they are a very unique band with a lot to offer, and a band that early on stuck to their guns, and did not compromise their sound and style. Which resulted in a lot of great music, and they took the world by storm with "One Night At Budokan". Favorite LP for me would be Dream Police, as pretty much every song is excellent, with choice cuts being, "The Way Of the World", "Voices", "I Know What I Want", and the title cut, "Dream Police". They also contributed 2 very cool tunes on the "Heavy Metal" movie Soundtrack, "I Must Be Dreamin'", and "Reach Out", which are standouts on the compilation. I think what may have helped them with their induction is simply their broad appeal. So many people and musicians just enjoy and respect what they have done in their career.
Deep Purple ranks up there with Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath as one of the heaviest Rock bands of all time, and had to wait far too long for nomination and induction, but Black Sabbath also had to wait quite a spell, so as everyone knows how the Hall drags their feet on the Heavier Rock and Metal type bands. King Crimson and Jethro Tull are 2 examples that get overlooked or ignored, and Judas Priest gets snubbed again, but at least more are getting nominated with JP, Thin Lizzy, and Motorhead, so it seems moving forward on a positive note, slowly but surely. Call me crazy, but I really like the early Deep Purple works with the Rod Evans vocals. "Hush" is really great, "Kentucky Woman" is done very well. Songs like "The Shield" and "Listen ,Learn, Read On" are very cool off "The Book Of Taliesyn" album. They also were doing Beatles covers like "Help" and "We Can Work It Out". Of course, everybody knows the Heavy masterpiece "Machine Head" that is jam packed with excellence, and then you have "Who Do We Think We Are", "Burn", "Fireball", and "Stormbringer" LP's that all kick ass, but maybe their most killer Rocking album would be "Deep Purple In Rock", which would be my favorite. Total hard driving solid Rock like "Speed King", "Child In Time", "Flight Of the Rat", and "Hard Lovin' Man" propel this Mt. Rushmore of albums over the Top and solidify them as one of the Best In the world of Rock and Roll..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 04/15/2020 @ 23:42pm


Will N.,

I will certainly respond to your critique of 2016. Yes everyone knows 25 or 6 to 4. King mentioned that great one Just You n' Me.Feeling Stronger Everyday is one of their signature songs. I am Not sure they played it induction night but it's very possible. I liked most of their singles as a kid. I went on later to get some of their albums. You may want to check out Chicago V and VI. Those are rather good albums. Chicago most definitely could have been nominated and inducted a few years earlier. There were technically eligible since late 1994. I would not have expected them to be inducted as early as 1995 or 96. But Chicago could have been inducted about 10 years earlier than they were. But hey I am very glad they were inducted in 2016.
Deep Purple waited far too long to be nominated and inducted, I think they were nominated 3 times and were finally inducted on the third try. But as you say Black Sabbath had a spell of delay too. Heavier Rock and Metal bands so often get snubbed. Jethro Tull and king Crimson are prog but J Priest is certainly heavy metal and have been snubbed. I do not know the early works of Deep Purple with Rod Evans. I only know Hush and Kentucky Woman. I know Machine Head and Who Do We Think We are very well. I even know the tune Mary Long. You probably know that one. It's a nice throwaway from Deep Purple in their heyday. I also own Made in Japan.
Cheap Trick I agree are a unique band. Cheap Trick did not compromised their sound and style. They had huge success with One Night at Budokhan. It's the only album I own. I don't know all those other tunes you mentioned. Of the ones you said I know Dream Police. I am Not a big Cheap Trick fan. I agree that they deserve induction due to their wide appeal. They have a lot of respect. Another great review you have there.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/16/2020 @ 06:44am


At least one outfit called 2016 the worst class in the history of the Hall. 2011 deserves it more.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 04/17/2020 @ 18:42pm


Back from the dead!
What I miss?

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 04/18/2020 @ 02:28am


Here's my update picks now that AlexVoltaire made his early predictions

Previously Nominated:
Pat And Neil (1 Nom)
John Prine (1 Nom)
RATM (2 Nom)
New York Dolls (1 Nom)
Kraftwerk (6 Noms)
Rufus/Chaka Khan (6 Noms total)
Judas Priest (2 Noms)
Soundgarden (1 Nom)

Newbies:
Foo Fighters
Big Star
The Go-Gos
Duran Duran
Willie Nelson
Jay-Z
Tommy James and the Shondells
Warren Zevon

Class:
RATM (Still betting this year as govt reputation has hit a new low)
Foo Fighters (Too big to ignore and Dave Grohl is beloved by EVERYONE. Even cynical rock hall watchers like Grohl.)
John Prine (His death might get him in or not, but I'm betting he is the sympathy vote)
The Go-Gos (5 girls including PB. Also helps they have significance in the rock circle)
Pat and Neil (Back for Round 2 and actually gets a slot)
Jay-Z (He's Jay-Z. C'mon. A easy slam dunk. Hits all the requirements.)

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 04/18/2020 @ 02:39am


KING 2020-2021 Nominees RRHOF As Of April 18, 2020.
1. Bryan Adams
2. Soundgarden
3. Procol Harum
4. Duran Duran
5. Diana Ross
6. Judas Priest
7. Pat Benatar
8. The Eurythmics
9. Megadeth
10. Steve Winwood
11. Gram/Emmylou
12. Bad Company
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. LL Cool J
15. The Offspring
16. Kool & The Gang
17. Iron Maiden
18. Dave Matthews Band
19. Jay-Z
20. Foo Fighters
21. Smashing Pumpkins
KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 04/18/2020 @ 08:00am


Ok. So I will be going ahead with the 2017 class. Originally I was going to end my series with 2016. But as I said due to the Virus crisis there is so little going on. But I am not going thru to 2019. It's too recent. And it does get tedious. Also I want to predict 2021 like everyone else. I could not have handled the series and Predictions at the same time. 2017 was a very fine class. It was more diverse than 2016. It gratefully covered the 80s. 2016 did Not. 2017 represented a bunch of genres. Both Pearl Jam and Tupac Shakur were first eligible. They were both inducted and yet so was Joan Baez. It was a fair lineup. I am Not a Rap fan. But I will cover him. I know that he is an icon. But I am a bit of a folk fan so Joan Baez will get nice coverage by me too. Also 2017 was a big triumph for Yes. They are one of the great prog groups for all time. This is an aspect of the 1970s avoided a lot in previous years. Yes sold out arenas all the time in 1970s and 80s. Much later I will start 2017. This will be the last year of the series.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/18/2020 @ 08:27am


Revising my 2021 predictions from what I originally posted in January:

Duran Duran (This slot was originally Joy Division/New Order, but I think with Depeche Mode getting in and the MTV generation taking greater control of the committee, they'll want to get one of the more popular groups of the era in.)
The Go-Gos
Tommy James & The Shondells (This slot was originally The Guess Who, but it seems like TJ & The Shondells are a bit more influential)
Boston
Rage Against the Machine
Foo Fighters
Judas Priest
Thin Lizzy
Jay-Z
New York Dolls
Cher (This slot was originally Cyndi Lauper, but Cher has been having more of a moment in the popular consciousness recently)
Pat Benatar
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Husker Du
Kraftwerk
John Prine (This slot was originally Carole King, but Prine just died and I can see why the Hall would be hesitant to put Carole in when she's already in as a non-performer, as deserving as she is.)

With this list, I would expect the inductees to be:
Jay-Z
Duran Duran
Cher
Boston
Foo Fighters
Pat Benatar (if 6)
RATM (if 7)

Posted by RG on Saturday, 04/18/2020 @ 14:03pm


I will now start the class of 2017. It was another good one. I start with Electric Light Orchestra. I will start by saying I had really wanted the Moody Blues on the ballot for 2017. They,the Moody Blues are a terrific British prog group with a fusion of rock,pop and classical arrangements. The Moody Blues were once again not even nominated for 2017. This is an unusual way to start my review of Electric Light Orchestra. They are also known as Rock group that has used classical. I guess the Hall wanted to get ELO inducted first due to the leadership and influence of Jeff Lynne. During the 1970s and 80s,ELO released a string of Top 10 albums and singles. ELO are another key 70s act that needed to be inducted. I remember some friends sharing their albums and music in the late 70s. Some were ELO albums. I enjoy some of their hits like Livin Thing and Telephone Line. Don't Bring Me Down is great song too. I wouldn't say I am huge fan. I didnt get into their full albums.
ELO was formed in Birmingham,England in the fall of 1970 by Roy Wood and Jeff Lynne. Roy Wood soon left ELO. Jeff Lynne took over ELO. They did a grand cover of Roll Over Beethoven. ELO had a lot of success. Jeff Lynne and Bev Bevan let their elaborate stage shows and big spaceship serve as their trademark.
The huge double-LP, Out of the Blue, appeared in 1977. Columbia distributed the remainder of the group's output, issued through their own Jet Records imprint, beginning with 1979's Discovery, which gave them the Top Ten hits "Shine a Little Love" and "Don't Bring Me Down." In the wake of ELO's best-selling Greatest Hits compilation, Lynne wrote several songs for the soundtrack of the Olivia Newton-John film Xanadu, including the hit title track. The next proper Electric Light Orchestra album, 1981's Time, generated their final Top Ten hit, "Hold on Tight." Following 1983's Secret Messages, Bevan left the group to join Black Sabbath, although he returned to the fold for 1986's Balance of Power, which despite the presence of the Top 20 hit "Calling America," received little interest from fans and media alike.
However, as Electric Light Orchestra's career went downhill, Lynne emerged as a sought-after producer, producing well-received comebacks from George Harrison (1987's Cloud Nine) and Roy Orbison (1989's Mystery Girl) and also re-teaming with both rock legends as well as Bob Dylan and Tom Petty in the hit supergroup the Traveling Wilburys. Lynne made his solo debut in 1990 with Armchair Theatre but otherwise spent the decade out of the limelight, instead producing material for Joe Cocker, Tom Jones, and Paul McCartney in addition to working on the Beatles' Anthology project. In 1988, meanwhile, Bevan formed Electric Light Orchestra Part II with vocalist Neil Lockwood, keyboardist Eric Troyer, and bassist Pete Haycock; although Lynne filed suit against the group (hence the "Part II" tag), a self-titled LP followed in 1991, with a live collection recorded with the Moscow Symphony Orchestra appearing a year later.
After 2001 Jeff Lynne spent more time than ever as a producer. working on a couple projects. In 2017 ELO was inducted into the Hall. They are very deserved for the Hall. They played Roll Over Beethoven,Evil Woman and Mr. Blue Sky. It was great to see them inducted. What gave them an edge was Jeff Lynne. It was good to see them inducted.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/18/2020 @ 14:50pm


Joan Baez was a key folk performer of the 1960s. Finally in 2017 she was inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame certainly proved that the 60s were not dead at the Hall. There was a few 60s acts nominated for 2017.
I am not a huge fan of Joan Baez. I like a handful of songs. Baez experimented with a variety of albums.
In the late '60s and early '70s, Baez moved toward pop/rock music and also began to write her own songs, resulting in the seller Diamonds & Rust (April 1975),Diamonds and Rust and her version of the Night they Drove Old Dixie down are 2 tunes I like. In 1976 the entirely self-written Gulf Winds (October 1976) came. Baez moved to the Portrait label of CBS Records with Blowin' Away (June 1977), but she left the label after Honest Lullaby (May 1979), and her next album, European Tour (1980), was released only outside the U.S. It was another seven years before she found an American record label, Gold Castle, for Recently (1987), which was followed by the live album Diamonds & Rust in the Bullring (January 1989). More albums followed.
In 1993, Vanguard released Rare, Live & Classic, a three-CD box-set retrospective. Ring Them Bells, a live album on which Baez was joined by musical descendants like Mary Chapin Carpenter and Indigo Girls, came out on Guardian Records in 1995. Gone from Danger, followed in 1997. Baez was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2017, After her acceptance speech. She performed Swing Low,Sweet Chariot. The Indigo Girls and Mary Chapin Carpenter joined her for Woody Guthrie's Deportee and also the Night they Drove Old Dixie Down. It was good to have her inducted. Ok guys there is couple to review.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/18/2020 @ 17:31pm


I published the next blog in my 'Rock Hall Contenders' series and it focuses on OutKast who deserves serious consideration for a 2021 nomination.

https://audiovisualrepository.squarespace.com/blog/rockhallcontendersoutkast

Posted by Nick on Saturday, 04/18/2020 @ 21:24pm


Great write up, Nick, and thanks for sharing! Hopefully we will be at the point soon where more than one hip hop artist can be on the ballot at a time, because the backlog is really starting to take hold. OutKast 100% deserves to be in, and as soon as possible. If things go as I expect, we will see Jay-Z get in next year, and Eminem in 2022. After that, I think they will start backtracking to get LL Cool J and OutKast in (fingers crossed for Tribe too)

Posted by RG on Sunday, 04/19/2020 @ 01:35am


It was a great triumph for Yes to be inducted in 2017. They are one of the great groups of Progressive Rock. The Hall mostly avoided prog rock until recent years. This is an aspect of the 1970s that needed to be represented much more in the Hall. They sold out arenas in the 70s.
Yes was first formed in London in 1968, In the beginning they consisted of Jon Anderson,Chris Squire, Peter Banks,Tony Kaye and Bill Bruford. Yes began performing original songs and covers of rock,pop and Jazz songs. They changed their direction in 1970. This led to a series of successful progressive rock albums. Some of my favorite Yes albums are the Yes Album,Fragile,Close to the Edge and Relayer. I love those albums. I have owned those for years. Yes toured as a major rock act in the 70s.
Peter Banks left and was replaced by the great Steve Howe. With The Yes Album doing well on both sides of the Atlantic, Yes toured heavily, and began work on a fourth album. Tony Kaye quit the band , so Yes hired Rick Wakeman, a great keyboardist. Wakeman's nearly Baroque styles- created with a bank of nearly a dozen instruments -- combined with Howe's intricate guitar, the supple rhythm section of Squire and Bruford, and the keening vocals of Anderson gave Yes a unique sound, while album designer Roger Dean gave the band a distinctive, fantasy look. This combination was unveiled on Fragile, an album that featured showcases for each of the musicians along with two of their signatures: the epic "Long Distance Runaround" and "Roundabout:". This same lineup quickly released a cover of Simon & Garfunkel's "America" as a single -- it peaked at 46 -- but their primary interest was thematically linked albums, such as the 1972 record Close to the Edge, which contained two lengthy suites. The album was a smash in both the U.S. and the U.K.. Yes now became known for incredible suites. Bill Bruford left Yes after Close to the Edge replaced by Alan White. Rick Wakeman eventually left too. The band's new keyboardist, Patrick Moraz, appeared on Relayer, which charted well upon its November 1974 release, but the band quickly took a break to pursue other projects.
The mid-'70s had a lot of Yes product. In addition to solo albums from Squire, Howe, White, Anderson, and Moraz, Atlantic released a compilation called Yesterdays in March 1975, and the concert film of Yessongs had a theatrical release. Yes regrouped at the end of 1976, swapping out Moraz for a returning Wakeman. This revived lineup released Going for the One, a sleek and succinct album, in August 1977; A year later, the group released Tormato -- it reached the Top Ten in both the U.K. and the U.S. -- then went into hiatus as the individual members pursued solo projects.
A lot of the original members got back together for a new version of Yes. Horn rejoined to produce this new version of Yes, which wound up with the biggest hit the group ever had with the brash, modernist "Owner of a Lonely Heart." A hit on pop radio and MTV, "Owner of a Lonely Heart" was a huge hit. and its accompanying album, 90125, had two other big mainstream rock hits in "Leave It" and "It Can Happen."
I owned 90125 in its time,around 1984. Big Generator contained production by Horn, but he left during the sessions. The album performed respectably, reaching 15 in the U.S. and 17 in the U.K., but it generated no hit singles. Around the release of Big Generator, the Yes camp became embroiled in legal battles over the group's name. During this time, Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, and Howe reunited, releasing an album under this name in 1989. The quartet continued to tour with "An Evening of Yes Music" through 1990, and not long afterward, the lawsuit was settled in their favor, paving the way for a monumental Yes reunion in 1991. Comprising Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe, Squire, Kaye, White, and Rabin, this new version of Yes released a new album, Union, and the retrospective box set Yesyears in 1991, accompanied by a supporting tour.
Through the '90s and 2000s, the Yes lineup was fluid, with members playing in different contexts either on their own or under the group umbrella. I do in fact own the album Talk.
Lots of personnel changes continued. They recorded with an orchestra and all kinds of other things.
Squire died of leukemia in June of 2015, but the band carried on, as per his request.Sadly he was not alive by the time of their induction. In 2017 Yes were inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame. They were inducted by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush. Yes performed Roundabout and Owner of a Lonely Heart,their 2 biggest hits. I would have loved to see them do Starship Trooper or some monumental classic like that. It may have been due to time limits. Ok. guys. There is a few 2017 inductees to review. Stay tuned for more.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 04/19/2020 @ 09:49am


Thanks RJ! OutKast's time will come very soon. Very few artists, even outside hip-hop, obtained the same level of commercial success and critical acclaim as OutKast. I'm thinking within the 5 years, if not sooner.

Posted by Nick on Monday, 04/20/2020 @ 09:29am


No mention of Todd Rundgren? Come on, people. He should have already been in. If he doesn't get in next, they'll probably back door him as a non performer since he's just as well known as a producer.

Posted by Michael on Monday, 04/20/2020 @ 21:48pm


Tupac Shakur is up next. He was a rap guy. He is considered by many to be one of the most notable rappers. I am Not into Rap music but even I know that. He is better known as 2Pac. A lot of 2Pac's work has been known for raising awareness of modern day social issues in the urban areas.
Shakur was born in New York but moved to California. By the time he released his debut album 2Pacalypse Now in 1991,he had become a legend in West Coast hip hop.
Shakur had a lot of success in the early 90s. I recognize that 2Pac is a key rap artist of the 90s. I recognize that 2Pac is a key rap artist. He quickly became an icon in music. I don't know his music very well because I am not a rap listener. Nonetheless he is deserved for the Hall. In 2017 he was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in fist year of eligibility.
Snoop Dogg indcuted 2Pac. Alicia Keys performed several 2Pac songs in his honor including Changes and California Love. A couple of you guys should elaborate on Tupac Shakur,. At least a couple of you know him better than me.

Posted by ben on Tuesday, 04/21/2020 @ 05:57am


Re: 2017 Induction Ceremony.

As far as recent years are concerned, this had been the best ceremony, in my honest opinion. The highlights for me personally had been the induction of Yes by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush and the induction of the Electric Light Orchestra by Dhani Harrison. I had also enjoyed Joan Baez's induction ceremony, in particular- the performance of the Band's classic, 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down,' with Joan Baez, Mary Chapin Carpenter and the Indigo girls.

I will also begin with the induction of E.L.O.

Firstly, I would like to say that in my honest opinion, the Electric Light Orchestra had been long overdue for induction. This group which had married progressive rock with Beatlesque pop founded by: Jeff Lynne, Bev Bevan, Richard Tandy and Roy Wood - which had also brought string instruments into the mix had definitely deserved this honor. My only objection to their induction had been that neither the late bassist Kelly Groucutt, nor Mik Kaminski, nor Melvyn Gale, nor various other orchestral members had either been inducted, nor acknowledged alongside the four founding members. Otherwise, the 2017 Rock & Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony had started rather spectacularly. Although, I had originally only owned various compilations by E.L.O. , including "E.L.O.'s Greatest Hits" and "The Original Motion Picture Soundtrack to Xanadu," I had also owned the studio recordings: "Eldorado" and "Time." I had been inspired to purchase most of their back catalog, prior to their induction. The highlights of Jeff Lynne's E.L.O. had been numerous and in particular- Jeff Lynne's E.L.O.'s cover of Chuck Berry's 'Roll Over Beethoven' had been one of the best Rock Hall tributes. Of course my favorite E.L.O. performance for that evening had been the performance of 'Mr. Blue Sky,' followed closely by 'Evil Woman.'

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04/21/2020 @ 09:38am


I will continue 2017 with the induction of Journey. They have gone through a bunch of phases. Journey's biggest success was between 1978 and 1987 with Steve Perry as lead singer.
I know that they started as progressive jazz rock instrumental rock band. I am only slightly familiar with those. The first songs I heard from Journey were Lovin,Touchin and Squeezin, Any Way You Want it and Walks Like a Lady. That was around 1979 and 1980. I know the albums Escape and Frontiers pretty well. I certainly like the hits. Some of my favs are Anyway You Want It,Who's Cryin Now, Stone in Love,Separate Ways and Send her My Love among others. Journey were huge in the 80s. They got a reputation as one of America's beloved arena rock bands. Journey is one of the best selling bands of all time. Journey is very deserved for the Rn'R Hall of Fame.
Journey released a a few jazz rock albums with mostly instrumentals. By 1977, however, the group decided it needed a strong vocalist/frontman and hired Steve Perry. They had success right after with Infinity (1978), (By this time, Dunbar had been replaced by Steve Smith.) Evolution (1979) was similarly successful, as was Departure (after which Rolie was replaced by Jonathan Cain). Journey released Escape in 1981, which broke them through to the top ranks of pop groups by scoring three Top Ten hits, highlighting Perry's smooth tenor: "Who's Crying Now," "Don't Stop Believin'," and "Open Arms." The album topped the charts and sold millions. Frontiers (1983), featuring the hit "Separate Ways," was another big success, after which Perry released a big solo album, Street Talk (1984). When the group got back together to make a new album, Valory and Smith were no longer in the lineup and Raised on Radio (1986) was made by Schon, Perry, and Cain, who added other musicians for a tour.
Following the tour, Journey disbanded. Perry went into a prolonged period of seclusion as Schon and Cain formed Bad English with vocalist John Waite. Bad English had several hits,"When I See You Smile," never mind that. Perry returned to recording in 1994, releasing For the Love of Strange Medicine. It was kind of a dud. In 1996, Perry, Schon, Cain, Valory, and Smith staged a Journey reunion, releasing the million-selling Trial by Fire. Steve Perry left the reunion behind after a tour. But Journey continued with new singers. One of the more notable later singers is Arnel Pineda,a Filipino singer that sounds a lot like Steve Perry.
In 2017 Journey was inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame. They were inducted by Pat Monahan of Train. Steve Perry was there. And he gave a terrific acceptance speech with Journey. Steve Perry did NOT join the band to perform. Journey did play Separate Ways, Lights and Don't Stop Believing. Journey was then done performing. Steve Perry did NOT participate. Many fans were disappointed. I was disappointed. Nonetheless they were inducted. Still to come is Nile Rodgers and Pearl Jam.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/21/2020 @ 10:16am


Johnny Guitar Watson belongs in The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame beyond a shadow of a doubt. Johnny was a superb showman, including his band. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by donald buttram on Tuesday, 04/21/2020 @ 12:11pm


Johnny Guitar Watson belongs in The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame beyond a shadow of a doubt. Johnny was a superb showman, including his band. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by donald buttram on Tuesday, 04/21/2020 @ 12:13pm


Nile Rodgers is next. Nile Rodgers was inducted into the Musical Excellence category in 2017. I can appreciate this. he originally was in chic, the disco group. Chic was nominated so many times but failed. The solution was Nile Rodgers in Musical Excellence category. He had much more influence in the music world as a producer..
Chic had couple huge disco hits. It's not my thing. With the dawn of the 80s came the disco backlash. Chic sold less and less and the group split in 1983. Nile Rodgers really shined as a producer in the 80s. Rodgers was free to focus solely on working with others. What followed was a string of the post-disco era's biggest albums and singles. First up was Let's Dance, one of David Bowie's all-time best-selling albums. From there, offers from others flooded in, as Rodgers scored further hits -- INXS' "Original Sin," Duran Duran's "The Reflex" and "Notorious," Madonna's "Like a Virgin," Mick Jagger's "She's the Boss," Jeff Beck's "Flash," the B-52's' "Cosmic Thing," and the Vaughan Brothers' "Family Style," among many others.
n, Edwards tragically passed away from pneumonia. Rodgers continued to be active, in the 90s founding the We Are Family Foundation, and he produced Duran Duran's Astronaut. Rodgers also operated a national music distribution company, Sumthing Distribution, which specialized in video game soundtrack.
Rodgers is very known as a producer. He was inducted in 2017 for the Musical Excellence category. Nile Rodgers fought back tears in his speech. and talked about how the award was amazing to him. He is very deserved of the Musical Excellence award.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/21/2020 @ 14:44pm


Joan Baez is a socially conscious singer-songwriter, musician and political activist. She had been Bob Dylan's muse and also the late Steve Job's girlfriend. Although I had only been aware of a few of her cover songs, namely The Band's 'The Night That They Drove Old Dixie Down,' I still think that her induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame had been warrantedand long overdue. 'Diamonds and Rust' is also a great song.


Now:

on to one of the induction that I had long been waiting for- the second member of the "holy trinity" of prog: Yes. When I had first started creating my long-archived website in late May- early June, 1997, my focus had been primarily on my Creation of webpages for Rush and Duran Duran. However, periodically throughout the summer of 1997 through the early spring of 1998, I had also been focused on creating webpages for Yes and The Moody Blues, as well. Strangely enough, the inductions of each of the members of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) happens to follow the exact order of my preferences. Rush having been inducted first in 2013 and Yes had followed in 2017 after three nominations and of course, the long, long overdue induction of the co-founders- The Moody Blues in 2018.

My discussion about Yes will actually be quite involved, so please do not expect me to complete it until possibly later this weekend. Suffice it to say that Yes is my co-favorite band musically, alongside Rush with The Moody Blues, King Crimson and Duran Duran only slightly behind Rush and Yes.

Well, what do you think so far?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 04/22/2020 @ 09:29am


Joan Baez is a socially conscious singer-songwriter, musician and political activist. She had been Bob Dylan's muse and also the late Steve Job's girlfriend. Although I had only been aware of a few of her cover songs, namely The Band's 'The Night That They Drove Old Dixie Down,' I still think that her induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame had been warranted and long overdue. Additionally, 'Diamonds and Rust' is also a great song written by Joan Baez about her relationship with Bob Dylan.


Now:

on to one of the inductions that I had long been waiting for- the induction of the second member of the "holy trinity" of prog: Yes. When I had first started creating my long-archived website in late May- early June, 1997, my focus had been primarily on my creation of webpages for Rush and Duran Duran. However, periodically throughout the summer of 1997 through the early spring of 1999, I had also been focused on creating webpages for Yes and The Moody Blues, as well. Strangely enough, the inductions of each of the members of the "holy trinity" of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) happens to follow the exact order of my preferences. Rush having been inducted first in 2013, with Yes following in 2017 (after three nominations) and of course, the long, long overdue induction of the co-founders- The Moody Blues in 2018.

My discussion about Yes will actually be quite involved, so please do not expect me to complete it until possibly later this weekend, if I have time. Suffice it to say that Yes is my co-favorite band musically, (alongside Rush) with The Moody Blues, King Crimson and Duran Duran ranking only slightly behind Rush and Yes.

Well, what do you think so far?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 04/22/2020 @ 09:35am


I come to Pearl Jam. I will reflect on Enig's comments at a later moment. Pearl Jam are one of the more obvious acts to be inducted into the Hall. That's why they Headlined.They are one of the most key bands of the 1990s. Pearl Jam formed in Seattle at the beginning of the 90s. I prefer Pearl Jam a lot more than Nirvana. Pearl Jam was also one of the leading groups of the grunge movement of the early 90s.
Pearl Jam broke into the mainstream with its debut album Ten in 1991. Ten is a very important album of the 90s. The Pearl Jam guys often shunned common practices like music videos and interviews. The band also sued Ticketmaster saying it monopolized the concert ticket market. Pearl Jam outsold a lot of the other alternative bands from the early 90s and is considered one of the most influential bands of the 90s. They are very deserved of the Hall.
Ten sold very well in 1992. That's when I discovered them. Ten gained the world's attention. Jeremy,Even Flow and Alive are some of my favs. Pearl Jam's audience continued to grow. during 1992 thanks to some hits.
Despite their status as rock & roll superstars, Pearl Jam refused to succumb to the common things of the music industry. The group refused to release any videos or singles from their second album, 1993's Vs. Nevertheless, it was another multi-platinum success, debuting at number one and selling nearly a million copies in its first week of release. On their spring 1994 American tour, the band decided not to play the conventional stadiums, choosing to play smaller arenas, including several shows on college campuses. Some of my favs on Vs. are Go,Daughter and Glorified G.
. Vitalogy appeared at the end of 1994. The album shot to the top of the charts and quickly went multi-platinum. In early 1995, the band recorded an album with Neil Young. Meanwhile, Vedder toured with his wife Beth's experimental band Hovercraft in the spring of 1994 as Stone Gossard founded an independent record company. Mad Season, Mike McCready's side project with Layne Staley of Alice in Chains, released their first album, Above, in the spring of 1995. Comprised entirely of Neil Young songs, Mirror Ball appeared from Neil Young. Pearl Jam helped a lot there.
n late summer of 1996, Pearl Jam released their fourth album, No Code. Although the record was greeted with fairly positive reviews and debuted at number one, its weird amalgam of rock, worldbeat, and experimentalism dissatisfied a lot of fans and it quickly fell down the charts. The album's performance was also hurt by Pearl Jam's inability to launch a full-scale tour, due both to their battle with Ticketmaster and a reluctance to spend months on the road. The band spent most of 1997 out of the spotlight, working on new material; Pearl Jam had completed a new, harder-rocking record entitled Yield. The album was greeted with enthusiastic reviews upon its February 1998 release, but its commercial fortunes weren't quite as clear cut. Pearl Jam supported the record with a full-scale arena tour in the summer of 1998.
In 1999 Pearl Jam had a huge hit with their cover of the Oldie Last Kiss. Many albums like Binaural and Riot Act followed a lots of others. In 2017 Pearl Jam were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They were inducted by David Letterman. Pearl Jam performed Alive,Given to Fly and Better Man. The All Star Jam chosen was Rockin in the Free World with Eddie Vedder leading the way. 2017 had a great ceremony. There it is. Ok guys time for more reviews on 2017. I will chime in and respond on those.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/22/2020 @ 10:59am


I come to Pearl Jam. I will reflect on Enig's comments at a later moment. Pearl Jam are one of the more obvious acts to be inducted into the Hall. That's why they Headlined.They are one of the most key bands of the 1990s. Pearl Jam formed in Seattle at the beginning of the 90s. I prefer Pearl Jam a lot more than Nirvana. Pearl Jam was also one of the leading groups of the grunge movement of the early 90s.
Pearl Jam broke into the mainstream with its debut album Ten in 1991. Ten is a very important album of the 90s. The Pearl Jam guys often shunned common practices like music videos and interviews. The band also sued Ticketmaster saying it monopolized the concert ticket market. Pearl Jam outsold a lot of the other alternative bands from the early 90s and is considered one of the most influential bands of the 90s. They are very deserved of the Hall.
Ten sold very well in 1992. That's when I discovered them. Ten gained the world's attention. Jeremy,Even Flow and Alive are some of my favs. Pearl Jam's audience continued to grow. during 1992 thanks to some hits.
Despite their status as rock & roll superstars, Pearl Jam refused to succumb to the common things of the music industry. The group refused to release any videos or singles from their second album, 1993's Vs. Nevertheless, it was another multi-platinum success, debuting at number one and selling nearly a million copies in its first week of release. On their spring 1994 American tour, the band decided not to play the conventional stadiums, choosing to play smaller arenas, including several shows on college campuses. Some of my favs on Vs. are Go,Daughter and Glorified G.
. Vitalogy appeared at the end of 1994. The album shot to the top of the charts and quickly went multi-platinum. In early 1995, the band recorded an album with Neil Young. Meanwhile, Vedder toured with his wife Beth's experimental band Hovercraft in the spring of 1994 as Stone Gossard founded an independent record company. Mad Season, Mike McCready's side project with Layne Staley of Alice in Chains, released their first album, Above, in the spring of 1995. Comprised entirely of Neil Young songs, Mirror Ball appeared from Neil Young. Pearl Jam helped a lot there.
n late summer of 1996, Pearl Jam released their fourth album, No Code. Although the record was greeted with fairly positive reviews and debuted at number one, its weird amalgam of rock, worldbeat, and experimentalism dissatisfied a lot of fans and it quickly fell down the charts. The album's performance was also hurt by Pearl Jam's inability to launch a full-scale tour, due both to their battle with Ticketmaster and a reluctance to spend months on the road. The band spent most of 1997 out of the spotlight, working on new material; Pearl Jam had completed a new, harder-rocking record entitled Yield. The album was greeted with enthusiastic reviews upon its February 1998 release, but its commercial fortunes weren't quite as clear cut. Pearl Jam supported the record with a full-scale arena tour in the summer of 1998.
In 1999 Pearl Jam had a huge hit with their cover of the Oldie Last Kiss. Many albums like Binaural and Riot Act followed a lots of others. In 2017 Pearl Jam were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They were inducted by David Letterman. Pearl Jam performed Alive,Given to Fly and Better Man. The All Star Jam chosen was Rockin in the Free World with Eddie Vedder leading the way. 2017 had a great ceremony. There it is. Ok guys time for more reviews on 2017. I will chime in and respond on those.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/22/2020 @ 10:59am


Hey everyone. I loook forward to the reviews of 2017. It was a fair one. I think all the Inductees are rather deserved for 2017. It's one of the best classes ever. Enig is going to have a nice review of Yes. Both ELO and Yes were in the same class. That was a good boost for Prog. I think it was 2 prog because Jeff Lynne was involved. He is respected beyond ELO. But they have their own achievements. Joan Baez was fine also. It was good to have a folk act inducted. It was a very fair Class. I will look for rev reviews.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/22/2020 @ 16:16pm


BEN
On Pearl Jam: Deserving 1st ballot RRHOF. TEN is 1 of the best and Classic CD's of the 1990's. In most Top 10 lists. Black and Jeremy are my FAV songs off TEN. Versus had plenty of good songs. Dissident stands out. Elderly Woman had a nice melody to it. Vitalogy is one of my FAVS of the 1990's period. It is a dark honest album and 3 of my FAV Pearl Jam songs are on there. 1. Better Man 2. Immortality 3. Corduroy. Some Pearl Jam fans might have jumped off the bandwagon after Vitalogy but the real fans stayed with the group. Pearl Jam and Eddie made the right decision withdrawing a little as the media and attention becomes enormous. Dire Straits legend Mark Knopfler mentioned that salient point as Dire Straits exploded in 1985 and 1986 with Brother In Arms CD and touring. No Code I've appreciated over time. Off He Goes is a memorable song and Smile is straight up great. Like singing that. In the later 1990's, I can say I don't remember buying any of their CD's. College, Life, other things occupied my time. With Chris Cornell, Scott Weiland, Kurt Cobain, and Layne Staley dead, Eddie is the last 1 standing of those singing legends. He has reached that rare legend status (age, wisdom, and talent) that is reserved for select musicians.
YES-Don't know much about YES other than Owner Of A Lonely Heart. A masterpiece song. One of my mom's favorite songs. I remember Leave It. Think it was from the same album. I know ENIG likes this band.
ELO-They had a strong 70's period of hit songs. Jeff Lynne is important in the music industry. I realized ELO would be inducted eventually. My FAV ELO songs would be Mr. Blue Sky, Don't Bring Me Down, Hold On Tight etc. Lynne has a brilliant ability to craft a good song. Very good melody and you can sing along. ELO also has done well here in the song and album projects. I know Enig and Rick Vendl are ELO enthusiasts. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 04/22/2020 @ 20:48pm


King,
Great response and review. I did jump off for awhile after Vitalogy, I'm not a real deep Pearl Jam fan. This is probably for me because I am more of a 70s and 80s guy. I didn't fully adjust to all of the 90s. More on Pearl Jam later.
I thought you knew more about Yes than you say. I am a deep big fan of Yes. I don't know every single album like Enig but close. I know Yes albums going back to the Yes Album. I'm with Enig mostly when it comes to Yes. I think I'm about Enig's age. That's probably a factor. Tunes like Starship Trooper, Roundabout and long suite Close to the Edge are masterpieces to me.
ELO had a long string of hits. And Jeff Lynne is very known in the music industry. 2 of my favs are Telephone Line and Mr. Blue Sky. I know Rick Vendi is an ELO enthusiast.
Now you may not know Joan Baez, I don't know her too well myself. But I expected you to mention Journey, A terrific arena rock band. I think they are the first actually arena pop rock band to be inducted. It;s kind of a genre. Hundreds of great bands sell out arenas. But arena pop rock is like a genre with rockers,ballads and lots of hits. You should know what I mean. I got played out on Don't Stop Believing even before the resurgence of the song in more recent years. Some of my favs for Journey are Who's Cryin Now,Stone in Love,Separate Ways and Send Her My Love. I would have thought you'de review Journey. But terrific response

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/23/2020 @ 05:47am


Enig,
ELO was very deserved of induction. You covered ELO quite well. I originally only owned ELO's Greatest Hits along with Face the Music and New World Record. I mostly like their main Hits. I didn't get into their albums as much.
ELO's cover of Chuck Berry's Roll Over Beethoven was a perfect tribute to Chuck Berry at the 2017 ceremony. It was a great way to open the Ceremony.
Pleasant surprise with your review of Joan Baez. I am only aware of a few of f her songs

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/23/2020 @ 07:36am


Enig,

I look for we'd to your discussion of Yes on the weekend perhaps. I still remember our discussion about Yes in 2016 and 2017. I know lots of their albums. King and others seem to mainly know Owner Of a Loneiy Heart. I, however know many of their key albums like Fragile and Close to the Edge. Hear from ya on the weekend

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/23/2020 @ 14:31pm


Enig,

I was trying to say I look forward to your discussion of Yes on the weekend perhaps. I know lots of their albums. I own a lot of them. Not all of them. There are some regulars here like King and some others that don't know that much about Yes. Yes get varied responses on here. I know all of their Key albums like Fragile,Close to the Edge. I also know Relayer and Going for the One. These 2 are not as known overall. Yes fans. I am quite a bit of a fan. But I am Not a total fan like you. Hear from ya on the weekend.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/23/2020 @ 15:57pm


BEN
I didn't include Journey first time around. Wheel In The Sky is just a masteriece. Perry's voice on point. Schohn's guitar really rocks out. It might be my FAV Journey song. Journey had a string of hit songs from Don't Stop Believin' to Separate Ways to Faithfully. Although a hit, the Faithfully ballad tripped up Journey like hundreds of other rock bands. It's like these bands try to go to broadening their audience. Should just continue to rock out I think. I also noticed the decade wall from about 1977-1987. The Cars, Foreigner, Journey, Talking Heads etc just either ran out of creative steam or things began to change in the bands. Steve Perry started out strong with Oh Sherry but then it was like he disappeared. That glorious voice. Journey finally was nominated and inducted RRHOF. They had incredible commercial success and had a signature song Don't Stop Believin' . It also didn't hurt Steve Perry had a unique voice and 1 of the greatest vocalists. I remember playing the Journey Escape game on the Atari 2600 or some other system. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 04/23/2020 @ 17:39pm


King,
There you go. Your review of Journey. I recall you like Journey. There was the ballad Open Arms that was a huge hit a little before Faithfully. I think you meant ballads in general. Hundreds of pop rock bands of the 80s felt compelled to have some ballads. It's a trademark of the 80s. But you know that. I think missed the Rockin side of Journey. Chain Reaction is a good rocker.
And yeh after 1987 a lot of 80s bands either ran out of creative steam or fell apart. Steve Perry disappeared by the end of the 80s. There was a slightly weak album in 1996 with Steve Perry and then he totally disappeared. Hey he re appeared on stage at the RRHOF in 2017. Steve Perry is one of the greatest vocalists.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/23/2020 @ 19:02pm


Nick,

I can see you giving a review of Joan Baez. You seem to a number of singer/songwriters. Joan Baez is a socially conscious singer/songwriter. I thought her performance was great.

I think you would appreciate my inclusion of Nile Rodgers. He does not fall into the usual types of Rock. He is an incredible producer. The many nominations of Chic did not work out. You may be disappointed that Chic were not inducted. Chic as an act were not getting enough votes.But Nile Rodgers in Musical Excellence widened the scope to his huge career as a producer. He has produced a wide range of artist from Madonna to Jeff Beck. When the Hall gave Nile Rodgers the Musical Excellence it was solution for honoring him.
You probably also can appreciate the Journey induction. Huge band of the 80s. They were a big part of arena rock. It would be great to hear from you

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/25/2020 @ 05:56am


Will N.,

You seem to be the dude that wraps up the class. I would say as a good guess you liked the 2017 class a lot. It touched on a bunch of genres in a tasteful way. I look forward to your reviews as always. This is in fact the last year of the series. 2017 was one of the best classes for the Hall.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 04/25/2020 @ 08:22am


Ben,
Hey, yes another busy week but I have a little time to weigh in on this mega talented class of 2017, which is quite a full lineup of well deserving artists. You covered each artist very well, so I will just attempt to add to it with my perspective and some further information. Beginning with Joan Baez, I noticed that you did not mention her exceptional Woodstock performance, which helped to transcend her career, and expose her to a much wider audience in times of turmoil, new discovery, and revolutionary enlightenment happening in our country. Her legendary performance of "Joe Hill", was highly memorable, as she did a 12 song set just after midnight, towards the end of Day One. Also included, "I Shall Be Released", "We Shall Overcome", and "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot".(which Ben mentioned was performed at her HOF induction.) I was more involved with her songs later in the 70's with "Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" and "Diamonds and Rust"..
Nile Rodgers finally got in after all of those tries with Chic. Chic was super popular in the late 70's, and they were probably too good to be labeled as Disco, in an era where a lot of disco music just became unbearable. I liked a lot of it including Chic, and also Donna Summer, Taveras, Bee Gees, Santa Esmerelda, Gloria Gaynor, and some more. And Nile Rodgers was involved with and influenced a ton of music in the 70's and 80's. He is well deserved for induction.
I do not know a great deal about Tupac, because I was more into Rock, Alternative, and Jazz Fusion at the time, but I would have to say what I have heard on his releases is very strong, highly creative and original, and groundbreaking. It is hard to deny his impact as a major influence in a developing musical genre, then resulting in propelling him into his legendary status.
I know we have had a few previous discussions on ELO, but to re-emphasize on Electric Light Orchestra, who I first heard on AM radio in the mid 70's with the hypnotic "Can't Get It Out of My Head", their first hit, I do believe. Hearing that, with the orchestrative influence with Rock, I knew this band was different, great and original, and one of a kind. Of course, they followed with a slew of radio hits, "Evil Woman", "Strange Magic", "Living Thing", "Telephone Line", "Sweet Talkin' Woman", "Mr. Blue Sky", and more. I am a big fan of the album A New World Record, and the song "Tightrope" is great. Face The Music is another favorite LP, and ELO also had a more obscure, classic tune featured in the movie American Hustle, "10538 Overture", also outstanding. ELO was well deserving for induction, and could have gone in sooner IMO, but factoring in the classic rock era waiting period, I am OK with it. I finally got to see ELO with Jeff Lynne, for the first time last year in July 2019, and they did not disappoint. It was a fantastic show, outstanding music and a very cool laser show as well...Check it out on YT.
Yes is a band that has been super great for such a long time, starting in the late 60's, with the Debut album, the Time and A Word LP, before the gangbuster "Fragile" burst onto the scene, and gaining thousands of new dedicated fans with the Rock and Progressive Rock and experimental new sound. They definitely took Prog to a new level with their stellar 70's compositions. My introduction would have to be the song "Roundabout", which I had on 45, with "Long Distance Runaround" on the flip side, a better tune IMO. Yes was the band that people were getting into as an alternative to the more heavier Rock of the mid 70's, when I was a teen in high school. I had just considered it to be another type of Rock and liked it all, including Jethro Tull, who was big at the time, but I leaned more to the Heavy side with BOC, Sabbath, Led Zep, Kiss, Rush debut LP, Thin Lizzy, Nazareth, Foghat, and more because the choices were many. I started scoring some Yes LP's.. Fragile, The Yes Album, Close To the Edge, and Tormato, then they were kind of on hiatus for awhile until 90125 came out. This of course, rocketed them into gigantic popular status with MTV and the mega hits on that LP. "Leave It" and "Changes" are songs I favor on that disc. I"ve seen Yes about 4 times Live, but the first time with 90125 Live show was the best for sure, when they emerged from beneath the stage portals into a cloud of smoke, was just awesome, opening with Leave It. It took way to long to get Yes in the RRHOF, but here again, and especially with Prog Rock bands are in a serious holding pattern before getting nominated, and we're seeing it again with Jethro Tull and King Crimson, but it was very cool to finally have Yes get inducted..
Last is Pearl Jam, who needs no introduction, and were very well deserved, and covered heavily here by others, so not too much to add for Pearl Jam. I will just say that "Ten" is such an amazing album, I liked it better than Nirvana's "Nevermind", so it was very difficult for Pearl Jam to live up to, or surpass that monster debut. I don't think they really had to try to, though. They sort of just moved along at their own pace, and controlled their own destiny, despite all of the battles, which was a great influence to all in the music industry. Pearl Jam puts on such great shows in concert, which I have seen 3 times, but nothing recently. I will have to include the band Mother Love Bone as a mention, that Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament were in before Pearl Jam, having 2 excellent releases, and also the Temple Of the Dog album, with members of Pearl Jam, and Chris Cornell, and Eddie Vedder, as a tribute to the band Mother Love Bone, and the late singer, Andrew Wood.. Both LP's are worth checking out..

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 04/26/2020 @ 13:38pm


Will N.,

That was awesome. I will reflect in a couple of posts Yeah, with Joan Baez I forgot all about mentioning her terrific Woodstock performance. I also was more involved with listening to Night they Drove Old Dixie Down and Diamonds and Rust.
With Electric Light Orchestra , I first heard them on AM radio with Evil Woman, one of the earlier hits for ELO. And yes whole slew of hits followed. I am not a fan of all their albums but I am a fan of their album A New World Record with one of my favs, the Mission. ELO was very well deserved for induction and certainly could have gone in sooner. But hey we know about the Classic Rock era waiting period,so it's OK. That's it for now. Be back later.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/27/2020 @ 06:50am


Will N.,

To continue You covered most of the acts of 2017 great. Yes are one of the great groups for a long long time. I know about their Debut Time and a Word. Their breakthrough was actually the Yes album. That's shortly before Fragile. The blockbuster was Fragile. My Intro to Yes was also Roundabout and Long Disrance Runaround. I prefer hearing it followed by the Fish. I love Heart of the Sunrise on that album. There was Close to the Edge, Relater and Going for the One. I've heard of Tormato . I never owned that. Then came the hiatus for awhile until 90125. Owner of a Lonely Heart was the mega hit. I prefer Leave Ir and Changes. I've seen Yes twice. The first was the 90125 Live show. I remember the Clouds or smile. I was into as much heavy rock right away. Yes were totally up my Alley. Yes were long overdue for the RR HALL of Fame. It was very cool to have Yes in the class. I will stop again for now. A lot of great acts in 2017 class .

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/27/2020 @ 08:11am


Ben,
Hey, Thanks. Yes, I did not elaborate too much on the early years of Yes. I wanted to mention great songs "Starship Trooper", "Heart Of the Sunrise", and one of my favorites, "Yours Is No Disgrace". I had forgot to include Journey in my post, and I had a few things to add about the band. So I will probably do a small piece on Journey coming up soon. I really like their early stuff, especially the first 4 albums.

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 04/27/2020 @ 10:03am


Yes is one of my favorite bands. They are in my personal Top 10 somewhere. I love those songs from Yes. Yours us No Disgrace is one of my favs. I like Sound Chaser a lot. I figure you know that.
Nile Rodgers finally got in after all of those tries with Chic. Chic was super popular in the late 70's, and it's like you say were probably too good to be labeled as Disco, in an era where a lot of disco music just bad. I didn't mind Donna Summer and Tavares. And Nile Rodgers was involved with and influenced a ton of music in the 70's and 80's. He is well deserved for induction. He is a great producer. He produced albums for David Bowie,Inxs, Duran Duran among others. He produced albums for a lot of people.
I do not know a lot about Tupac either. Very similar thing, I was more into Rock, Alternative, and Jazz at the time, but I would have to say what I checked out on his stuff is quite strong, and groundbreaking. It is hard to deny his place as a major influence in a developing a genre, then resulting in making him so known.
You will get to Journey you said. They are one of the Top Arena rock bands. When you say the first 4 albums you may be including their prog rock phase. Or you could be starting with Infinity. I will find out.
Nice piece on Pearl Jam too. Very well deserved, and covered heavily here by others. "Ten" is such an amazing album, I certainly liked it better than Nirvana's "Nevermind" They sort of just moved along at their own pace, and controlled their own goals, despite all of the battles, which was a great influence to everyone in the music industry. I know their early 90s stuff the best,Up through Vitalogy. Great pieces there. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 04/27/2020 @ 17:27pm


Who do you guys see being nominated for the 2021 class?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/27/2020 @ 22:22pm


Ben,

Many apologies, I had been extremely busy last week and last weekend. I will attempt to discuss Yes during the upcoming weekend, if I have time.

Well, what

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 04/28/2020 @ 10:19am


Who do you guys see being the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/28/2020 @ 10:25am


Does anyone know where I could find some sites that actually shows the ratings of HBO programs, including the annual Rock Hall ceremony? If you look at other award ceremonies like the Oscars, they're getting less and less numbers from viewers cause they don't truly offer what the masses want. I'm pretty sure some of the voters and the management made smart business decisions by inducting acts that are familiar to most of the people, but made a terrible move with the last ballot by rigging the fan poll. All I can hope for is this year's upcoming ceremony should get a good amount of ratings in November.

That's why I've asked about it cause it's a good way to track the Hall's relevance.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 04/28/2020 @ 13:26pm


Ben,
Apologies for a delayed response. I haven't been on FRL much in the last week or so. I just saw this and I'll talk about the 2017 class. Although all the names are worthy, it's one of my least-favorite Rock Hall classes. Dunno why.

Joan Baez is someone who's historically and culturally important but I don't think I'd ever willingly play one of her records. She had some great songs like 'Diamonds and Rust,' 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down' (The Band cover) and 'We Shall Overcome.' She's talented and I'm definitely not saying she's unworthy (the total opposite). But I find it hard to get excited for her induction. It's sad that it took the nominating committee as long as it did to put her on a ballot and she got inducted ASAP.

The inclusion of Nile Rodgers in the Musical Excellence category has always rubbed me the wrong way. After a record 11 nominations, Chic just wasn't getting into the Rock Hall and that's a shame. And Rodgers deserves his induction as an influential producer, but at the same, I still contend Chic is one of the biggest Rock Hall snubs.

Of the Performers in the 2017 Class, I like Yes, 2Pac and Pearl Jam the most. ELO is fine too. Jeff Lynne is a great musician and producer and it was overdue. Not a big fan of Journey although I like a few of their songs. I think I like the 2017 ballot more than the performers inducted that year (e.g., Depeche Mode, Cars, Janet Jackson, Joe Tex, Kraftwerk and Chaka Khan).

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 04/28/2020 @ 15:57pm


Nick,

Excellent to hear from ya. I wasn't sure how you felt about. I said you have been disappointed about Chic not getting inducted. Chic were not getting enough votes. Tupac is one I think you would. You may want to elaborate on Tupac. You may know more about him than me. He is an Icon I know. You may want to elaborate on Yes and Pearl Jam also. But hey you are probably busy. And a lot has been said about all these. You closed up the post in a confusing way.
"I think I like the 2017 ballot more than the performers inducted that year (e.g., Depeche Mode, Cars, Janet Jackson, Joe Tex, Kraftwerk and Chaka Khan)". What did you mean there? You may have said inducted by mistake. Nominated maybe? Joe Tex,Kraftwerk and Chaka Khan have still not been inducted. Hear from ya soon. .

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/28/2020 @ 16:37pm


Nick,

Excellent to hear from ya. I wasn't sure how you felt about. I said you have been disappointed about Chic not getting inducted. Chic were not getting enough votes. Tupac is one I think you would. You may want to elaborate on Tupac. You may know more about him than me. He is an Icon I know. You may want to elaborate on Yes and Pearl Jam also. But hey you are probably busy. And a lot has been said about all these. You closed up the post in a confusing way.
"I think I like the 2017 ballot more than the performers inducted that year (e.g., Depeche Mode, Cars, Janet Jackson, Joe Tex, Kraftwerk and Chaka Khan)". What did you mean there? You may have said inducted by mistake. Nominated maybe? Joe Tex,Kraftwerk and Chaka Khan have still not been inducted. Hear from ya soon. .

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 04/28/2020 @ 16:37pm


My series is Now winding down. 2017 is the past class I will cover. I had not planned on going to the most recent. 2017 is an extension. We know the 2 most recent. The Moody Biues have finally been inducted. They are Such a legendary group. Also last year 2019 the Cure expanded New wave in the Hall. It was an odder year with acts also like Roxy Music and Radiohead. But it was Def Leppard that headlined the show. They are a great band. That.was my fav fir last year. But I am not really covering the more recent Classes. We now come to the 2020 class. It's now scheduled for November due to Covid-19 crisis. We will have to see how they do that one. More on that another time. This weekend I may finally make my first list of predictions for 2021. There is so much Classic Rock legends in that those nominees will be less. But it will be heavy on the 80s again. And perhaps a couple extra 90s acts too. It will be nice to make a list for 2021

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 09:09am


Ben,

I am still really very interested in hearing your thoughts and continuing discussions about the 2018 & 2019 classes, also. However, if you have decided not to do that, then may I make this suggestion: why not discuss prog/art rock artists as a greater overall theme? You can begin with The Beatles, then 1993 with The Doors and Cream and continue through to 2019, since we know that no "prog," or "prog" adjacent artists had been inducted in 2020, unfortunately. Off the top of my head, I can think of these artists who have been inducted:

The Beatles
The Doors
Cream
The Grateful Dead
Frank Zappa
Jefferson Airplane
Pink Floyd
Velvet Underground
David Bowie
Queen
Talking Heads
Traffic
Genesis
Rush
Yes
The Moody Blues
Peter Gabriel
Chicago
Deep Purple
Electric Light Orchestra
Roxy Music
Radiohead
The Zombies

These who have not yet been inducted, but have been nominated, at least once:

Procol Harum
Kraftwerk

Those "prog " adjacent artists:

Heart
Journey
The Cars

And finally, the possible 2021 prog nominees:

Duran Duran
Jethro Tull

Well, what do you, think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 09:40am


Ben,
Just a few things on Journey, and yes I am a fan of the early Prog/Fusion albums, before Steve Perry joined. The origins of Journey, as most know, started from the band Santana, when Neil Schon and Gregg Rollie left Santana to start a new band, and later recruiting the great Ansley Dunbar on drums, who was playing with Frank Zappa. They started as a 5 piece after signing on bassist Ross Valory and guitarist George Tickner, and released the Debut album, "Journey" in 1975. By the time of the release of the 2nd album, "Look Into the Future" in 1976, Tickner had left the band, leaving just the 4 members. Their 3rd LP, "Next" was released in 1977, but still their sales were not very good. It was agreed upon that the band needed a lead vocalist/frontman to complete the sound and direction, so Steve Perry was brought into the band, resulting in the highly successful album "Infinity" in 1978. By the time the following LP , "Evolution" came out in 1979, drummer Ansley Dunbar had left and was replaced by another fantastic drummer, Steve Smith.
Looking overall at the beginnings of the band, and the first 5 albums, which are my favorites, and especially "Infinity", being my introduction to the band, and the entire LP is great. I really like the complimentary vocals between Gregg Rollie and Steve Perry on "Feeling That Way/Anytime", for instance, one low and one high, makes the songs great. On the early Prog/Fusion albums, they have a lot of very cool songs such as "Spaceman", "Of A Lifetime", "Kohoutek", "Mystery Mountain", "Hustler", "I Would Find You", and more. In 1980, Journey released a double album "In The Beginning" consisting of the best of the first 3 LP's. I also like the album "Departure" from 1980 and also the Live LP "Captured" is excellent from 1981. Then once the more commercial, arena Rock blockbuster "Escape" came out in 1981, with all of the major hits, and eventually going 9x Platinum, Journey was riding the crest of the wave of mega popularity, they continued to dominate the music world for a few years. These 80's records are great, with a lot of excellent cuts, although the hits are way overplayed, but I suppose for me I had moved on to more Alternative type music like R.E.M. by then.
Journey was definitely overdue for induction when they finally got in, but all is good, they just got stuck on the waiting train like so many other deserving bands. I have seen Journey a few times, but never with Steve Perry, more recently with the new singer, he is pretty good. The best show I saw by them was in 2005 for their 30th Anniversary Tour, when Steve Augeri was still the vocalist, he was good. We had obtained 2nd row tickets at the brand new Hard Rock Live in Hollywood, FL, luckily, so the band was right on top of us. They opened the show with about 5 or so songs from the early LP's like Kohoutek, Of A Lifetime, Topaz, and Mystery Mountain, then proceeding through time into Infinity and their later hits. That would be my best Journey experience, which would be fantastic to have a show like that on video.. Ben, that's a wrap. I know you are a fan of Jazz Fusion, maybe not so much of Prog, but you may like some of the early Journey. No Steve Perry, but with Gregg Rollie vocals, there is some good stuff there..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 10:40am


Bored. So I'll take the 100 Biggest selling bands not in the hall and throw in their eligibility dates if they are old enough or not

1. Maroon 5- 2027
2. Linkin Park-2025
3. Florida Georgia Line- 2035
4. Twenty One Pilots- 2034
5. Alabama- Already Old Enough
6. Foreigner- Already Old Enough
7. The Dixie Chicks- Already Old Enough
8. Panic! At the Disco- 2030
9. Coldplay- 2023
10. Dave Matthews Band- Already Old Enough
11. Rascal Flatts- 2025
12. Fall Out Boy- 2027
13. Zac Brown Band- 2029
14. Brooks & Dunn- Already Old Enough
15. Boston- AOE
16. Imagine Dragons- 2034
17. The Carpenters- AOE
18. Lady Antebellum- 2032
19. Nickelback- 2021
20. Motley Crue- AOE
21. REO Speedwagon- AOE
22. Creed- 2022
23. 3 Doors Down- 2025
24. Hootie & the Blowfish- AOE
25. OneRepublic- 2032
26. Sade- AOE
27. Kansas- AOE
28. Matchbox Twenty- 2021
29. The Fray- 2028
30. Paramore- 2030
31. Fun- 2034
32. Smashing Pumpkins- AOE
33. Daughtry- 2031
34. Three Days Grace- 2028
35. The Monkees- AOE
36. Dan + Shay- Can't find them on this site.
37. Stone Temple Pilots- AOE
38. Styx- AOE
39. Korn- AOE
40. Limp Bizkit- 2021
41. Bad Company- AOE
42. Shinedown - 2028
43. Disturbed- 2025
44. Casting Crowns- Can't find them on this site.
45. Sugarland- 2029
46. INXS- AOE
47. Wings- AOE
48. Poison- AOE
49. No Doubt- AOE
50. Alice In Chains- AOE
51. Foo Fighters- AOE
52. The Offspring- AOE
53. The Cranberries- AOE
54. Breaking Benjamin- 2027
55. The Band Perry- 2034
56. Evanescence- 2023
57. Duran Duran- AOE
58. Toto- AOE
59. My Chemical Romance- 2027
60. Mumford & Sons- 2023
61. Skillet- 2021
62. Huey Lewis & the News- AOE
63. Counting Crows- AOE
64. Whitesnake- AOE
65. The Killers- 2029
66. MercyMe- Not on this site
67. Survivor- AOE
68. Blink 182- AOE
69. Live- AOE
70. Jonas Bros- 2031
71. Little Big Town- 2027
72. Jethro Tull- AOE
73. Savage Garden- 2022
74. Judas Priest- AOE
75. Scorpions- AOE
76. All American Rejects- 2027
77. Loverboy- AOE
78. Grand Funk Railroad- AOE
79. Owl City- 2032
80. Three Dog Night- AOE
81. X Ambassadors- Not on this site
82. Old Dominion- Not on this site
83. Godsmack- 2024
84. Cage The Elephant- 2032
85. 38 Special- AOE
86. Florence and the Machine- 2033
87. Bush- AOE
88. Muse- 2023
89. Men at Work- AOE
90. The Black Keys- 2027
91. Slipknot- 2022
92. Staind- 2021
93. Sublime- AOE
94. Clean Bandit- 2035
95. Air Supply- AOE
96. Foster the People- 2035
97. 5 Seconds of Summer- 2037
98. Tool- AOE
99. Rage Against the Machine- AOE
100. Goo Goo Dolls-AOE

2027 looks good for bands, but I don't know if any of them will be FYE.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 13:32pm


@ Follower

Slipknot will actually be eligible next year; they put out an EP in 96 three years before the self-titled album was released and the classic lineup was introduced. FRL got their year wrong and needs to fix that.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 13:43pm


ENIG
I'll start on some of your Progressive and PROG Adjacent Artists.
On Duran Duran: I remember the 1st time I saw Duran Duran. Planet Earth MTV video. It must have been around 1981 or early 1982. DD had an interesting sound even then. Simon the singer stood out and Nick on keyboards. I've lost count how many times Nick changed his hair color. I remember Hungry Like The Wolf and Save A Prayer. Love Save A Prayer!!! Is There Something I Should Know? UNDERRATED early song. Duran Duran were definitely pioneers in music video. Exotic locales and good songs. My sister was an early fan of Duran Duran and we would travel to the local market to obtain the latest Star Hits, 17, Teen Beat, etc to collect the DD posters. My sister had a nice-sized collection. My sister would drive my family crazy when MTV had updates on a Duran Duran new video drop or news. I remember when New Moon On Monday premiered. I think Queen Radio Gaga around the same time. Duran Duran I believe is still my sister's FAV group and I would consider myself a moderate fan. Later, my sister and I attended a few Duran Duran concerts together. This would be after Pop Trash dropped. I really enjoy that album. Some of the songs like Playing With Uranium have a harder edge. Now that it's 2020, Duran Duran were definitely underestimated. You could call it New Wave, Pop, or New Romantic or whatever...Duran Duran left the negative critics in the dust long ago. No doubt, Duran Duran was helped early by their model looks and British 2nd wave. They have endured 42+ years and still going strong. The turning point was the Wedding Album. An exemplary album that allowed Duran Duran to gain a 2nd wind and brought them back to prominence. Ordinary World is an epic song. Come Undone and Too Much Information outstanding songs. With Depeche Mode, Janet Jackson, The Cars etc inducted in recent years, the RRHOF has machete-cleared a path for Duran Duran 2021. I would be surprised if they aren't nominated and inducted. FAV Duran Duran Songs include: Ordinary World, Save A Prayer Hungry Like The Wolf, RIO, The Chauffeur, Playing With Uranium, Notorious. Probably 6 CD's of hit songs. That's RRHOF material. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 18:17pm


Enig,

I am definitely ending my series Now with 2017 as the last. I will pass on leading a series of Prog. Hey I Just did a series I started back in November. I started with the 1994 class and went from there. I toook a break and continued with 2011 or so. I think I did good with it. It maintained attention I think because it's better than the Crisis out there. It seems like King wants to do the Prog series. I will leave that to him. I will take a rest from any series. I may respond to some Prog posts.
But don't worrry No Hiatus. I will be posting my 2021 nominee predictions. I will try to make it Diverse. It is clear that we have plenty of time to predict the inductors for 2020. I have heard that Live concerts won't be allowed until some time Next year . They can do a Virtual concert for the 2020 Ceremony. That's a trend now. It can be HBO but virtual. More on that.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 18:57pm


PROG and PROG Adjacent Artists.
PROCOL HARUM.
Procol Harum is 1 of my all-time FAV bands. I really love them. Like many music fans, I was introduced to A Whiter Shade Of Pale and went from there. I'm still amazed they have only been nominated once and haven't been inducted. There really isn't another band like Procol Harum. 2 songs that I think are underrated by Procol Harum are: Pandora's Box and As Strong As Samson. I think Conquistador is a masterpiece. Outstanding musicians. Homburg is a song that shows the greatness of the musicians. Brooker's soaring vocals and wondrous piano. Fisher's organ and Trower on guitar. B.J's octopus and brilliant drumming. There's a nice video of Homburg I stumbled upon with the group performing on stage. Procol Harum could speed it up with Simple Sister and Whisky Train. Trower was a big loss when he departed the group but Procol Harum continued on. Reid's incredible, insightful and intelligent lyrics gave them an advantage. I wasn't born until the mid-late 70's but many have said Procol Harum was 1 of the best concerts they ever attended. It's still a mystery why Procol Harum hasn't been inducted. Perhaps the unusual name or maybe the incredible bands of the late 60's and early 1970's...Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Moody Blues, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, etc. Amazing time for music! It can be a group gets lossed in the shuffle. It also probably hurt Procol Harum that they weren't in the news for trashing hotels, yelling at fans, or engaging in other forms of alcohol/sexual excess. Nor were they blatant self-promoters or arrogant types pounding their chest about their greatness. They let their glorious music do the talking. Procol Harum is still alive and kicking today and many 60's-70's members are still alive. My guess they would be honored to be Inducted. Procol Harum 2021. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 19:01pm


Follower,

What source do you use for this list, and why only bands? Wouldn't this list be a little more comprehensive if it included top-selling solo artists, many of whom are far more likely to get in than the dozens of Country/Christian artists on this list.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 19:12pm


BEN
I'm not doing a PROG Series just started the ball rolling with Duran Duran and Procol Harum. People can type or make a comment on the PROG groups at their leisure. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 19:12pm


Follower,

What source do you use for this list, and why only bands? Wouldn't this list be a little more comprehensive if it included top-selling solo artists, many of whom are far more likely to get in than the dozens of Country/Christian artists on this list.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 19:13pm


@ RG

I actually made a list of the most certified bands in America who are not in the Hall with the inclusion of singles, video albums, video singles, and even ringtones other than albums and EP's.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 20:04pm


The Dude,

Wow, thank you for putting the effort into that! That's interesting, why the choice not to include album or EP sales?

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 21:02pm


@ RG

Albums and EP's are included on my RIAA certification list. The reason I made this cause I felt the organization's lists are somewhat dated and don't make sense in some ways. I think they should make a list of acts with a total of all certified releases as an update.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 04/29/2020 @ 21:27pm


The Dude,

Is there a specific reason you didn't factor soloists? Does any non-country or pop soloist come close to Maroon 5 in terms of sales?

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 04/30/2020 @ 01:55am


You know what, I just took the easy way. Here's all the soloists not in the Hall that have sold more than Maroon 5:

Rihanna (Best selling in general)
Eminem
Celine Dion
Taylor Swift
Mariah Carey (Best Selling that is old enough.)
Garth Brooks
Drake
Ed Sheeran
Justin Beiber
Barbra Streisand
Phil Collins
Frank Sinatra
Katy Perry
Chris Brown
Kanye West
Bruno Mars
Jay-Z
Lady Gaga

That's 18 artists who have sold more or equal to Maroon 5. (Amusingly enough, exactly 5 of them are old enough to be in the hall. Celine, Mariah, Gath, Phil Collins, and Frank.) Recent acts are easier to certify, which is so many of them are on the list.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 04/30/2020 @ 02:15am


Will N.,

Nice piece on Journey. You know far more about the early albums than me. I know they are a Prog/fusion type. I know the origins of Journey, started from the band Santana, when Neil Schon and Gregg Rollie left Santana to start a new band, and later added the great Ansley Dunbar on drums, who was playing with Frank Zappa. I knew those facts.
I know a lot about the fact that the band needed a lead vocalist/frontman to complete the sound and direction, and so Steve Perry was brought into the band, resulting in the highly successful album "Infinity" in 1978. By the time the following LP , "Evolution" came out in 1979, I know more about the band after Steve Smith was added.
"Infinity", was an early introduction to the band for me, and the entire LP is great. I also like the complimentary vocals between Gregg Rollie and Steve Perry on "Feeling That Way/Anytime".
I also like the album "Departure" from 1980 but I don't know the Live LP "Captured" very well. Then the arena Rock blockbuster "Escape" came out in 1981, with all of the huge hits.Journey became hugely popular.They continued to dominate the music world for a few years. These 80's records are great, with a lot of excellent cuts, the hits got kind of overplayed but I do like those hits. I didn't get into all the Alternative type music like you did. But I did like early REM at that time. Anyway I followed Journey for awhile. I do think Raised on Radio was weaker though.
Journey was definitely overdue for induction when they finally got in, but all is good, They got stuck on the waiting train like so many other deserving band like you say. I will try to check out the early Journey when I get a chance.
It was cool and appropriate to have Pearl Jam close. They are one of the best selling bands of the 90s. They have managed to be intact all these years. They helped define the 90s alternative sound. Journey couldn't get Steve Perry to perform. If he had Journey could have co headlined with Pearl Jam. Journey would have been directly followed by Pearl Jam. But never mind it didn't happen. Pearl Jam headlined alone just fine. Pearl Jam did a great set with Better Man and other tunes. Rockin in the Free World was a great all star jam. And now as they say that's a wrap up. It was a great series.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/30/2020 @ 07:22am


Will N.,

Nice piece on Journey. You know far more about the early albums than me. I know they are a Prog/fusion type. I know the origins of Journey, started from the band Santana, when Neil Schon and Gregg Rollie left Santana to start a new band, and later added the great Ansley Dunbar on drums, who was playing with Frank Zappa. I knew those facts.
I know a lot about the fact that the band needed a lead vocalist/frontman to complete the sound and direction, and so Steve Perry was brought into the band, resulting in the highly successful album "Infinity" in 1978. By the time the following LP , "Evolution" came out in 1979, I know more about the band after Steve Smith was added.
"Infinity", was an early introduction to the band for me, and the entire LP is great. I also like the complimentary vocals between Gregg Rollie and Steve Perry on "Feeling That Way/Anytime".
I also like the album "Departure" from 1980 but I don't know the Live LP "Captured" very well. Then the arena Rock blockbuster "Escape" came out in 1981, with all of the huge hits.Journey became hugely popular.They continued to dominate the music world for a few years. These 80's records are great, with a lot of excellent cuts, the hits got kind of overplayed but I do like those hits. I didn't get into all the Alternative type music like you did. But I did like early REM at that time. Anyway I followed Journey for awhile. I do think Raised on Radio was weaker though.
Journey was definitely overdue for induction when they finally got in, but all is good, They got stuck on the waiting train like so many other deserving band like you say. I will try to check out the early Journey when I get a chance.
It was cool and appropriate to have Pearl Jam close. They are one of the best selling bands of the 90s. They have managed to be intact all these years. They helped define the 90s alternative sound. Journey couldn't get Steve Perry to perform. If he had Journey could have co headlined with Pearl Jam. Journey would have been directly followed by Pearl Jam. But never mind it didn't happen. Pearl Jam headlined alone just fine. Pearl Jam did a great set with Better Man and other tunes. Rockin in the Free World was a great all star jam. And now as they say that's a wrap up. It was a great series.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 04/30/2020 @ 07:22am


I organized The Dude's list + a few other solo artists with comparable sales into tiers of how soon they'll get in in relation to their eligibility:

Tier 1 (LOCKS, Potential FYE)
Coldplay, Foo Fighters, Rihanna, Eminem, Taylor Swift, Jay-Z, Kanye West, Lady Gaga, Adele, Beyonce

Tier 2 (Very likely, 2-5 years eligibility)
Drake, Nicki Minaj, Linkin Park

Tier 3 (Likely, 6-10 years eligibility)
Twenty One Pilots, Dave Matthews Band, Fall Out Boy, Smashing Pumpkins, Ed Sheeran

Tier 4 (Somewhat Likely, 11-20 years eligibility)
Maroon 5, Panic! at the Disco, Imagine Dragons, Sade, Paramore, Stone Temple Pilots, No Doubt, Alice in Chains, Celine
Dion, Mariah Carey, Bruno Mars, Lil Wayne

Tier 5 (Possible, 20+ years eligibility)
Foreigner, Boston, The Carpenters, Nickelback, Motley Crue, REO Speedwagon, OneRepublic, Kansas, Matchbox Twenty, The
Monkees, Styx, Bad Company, INXS, Justin Bieber, Phil Collins, Katy Perry, Poison, Backstreet Boys, George Strait, Cher, Tina
Turner, Barry White

Tier 6 (Never, mainly for genre or relevance reasons)
Florida Georgia Line, Alabama, The Dixie Chicks, Rascall Flatts, Zac Brown Band, Brooks & Dunn, Lady Antebellum, Creed, 3
Doors Down, Hootie & the Blowfish, The Fray, fun., Daughtry, Three Days Grace, Dan + Shay, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Shinedown,
Disturbed, Casting Crowns, Sugarland, Garth Brooks, Wings, Barbra Streisand, Frank Sinatra, Chris Brown, Kenny Rogers,
Olivia Newton-John

Posted by RG on Thursday, 04/30/2020 @ 17:35pm


Who do you guys see being nominated for the 2021 class and also, Who do you guys see being the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/30/2020 @ 19:15pm


Here Now are the Ben 2021 Predictions of Nominees for Rock and Roll HOF
B52s
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Cher
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Tommy James & the Shondells
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Dave Matthews Band
John Prine
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden

Posted by Ben on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 08:09am


RG, decided to do my version of what you did above:

Tier 1 (LOCKS, Potential FYE)
Coldplay, Foo Fighters, Rihanna, Eminem, Jay-Z, Kanye West, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Bruno Mars

Tier 2 (Very likely, 2-5 years eligibility)
Drake, Linkin Park, Adele, Taylor Swift

Tier 3 (Likely, 6-10 years eligibility)
Twenty One Pilots, Fall Out Boy, Smashing Pumpkins, Paramore, Imagine Dragons

Tier 4 (Somewhat Likely, 11-20 years eligibility)
Panic! at the Disco, Sade, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Lil Wayne, Nicky Minaj, Ed Sheeran, Katy Perry

Tier 5 (Possible, 20+ years eligibility)
Foreigner, Boston, The Carpenters, Nickelback, Motley Crue, REO Speedwagon, OneRepublic, Kansas, Matchbox Twenty, Styx, Bad Company, INXS, Phil Collins, Cher, Tina Turner, Barry White, Stone Temple Pilots, Dave Mathews Band, Maroon 5, Alice In Chains, Disturbed, No Doubt

Tier 6 (Never, mainly for genre or relevance reasons)
Florida Georgia Line, Alabama, The Dixie Chicks, Rascall Flatts, Zac Brown Band, Brooks & Dunn, Lady Antebellum, Creed, 3 Doors Down, Hootie & the Blowfish, The Fray, fun., Daughtry, Three Days Grace, Dan + Shay, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Shinedown, Casting Crowns, Sugarland, Garth Brooks, Wings, Barbra Streisand, Frank Sinatra, Chris Brown, Kenny Rogers,
Olivia Newton-John, The Monkees, Backstreet Boys, Poison, Justin Bieber, George Strait

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 09:02am


Who do you guys see being nominated for the 2021 class?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 10:27am


OutKast, Richie!

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 10:45am


Jay-Z
OutKast
Beck
Kate Bush
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
B-52s
The Go-Go's
John Prine
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Duran Duran
Commodores
Foo Fighters
Soundgarden
Tommy James and The Shondells
Harold Melvin and The Blue Notes

I might make my ideal ballot later on today or tomorrow.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 12:12pm


Greg F,

I can only hope the actual ballot looks something like that. It looks fairly ideal to me.

In fact if we could just induct that list and add a few more (The Smiths, Iron Maiden, The Spinners, Carole King) my faith in humanity and the rock hall might be restored.

Posted by remy10 on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 13:36pm


Here's my ideal ballot

Bjork
Kate Bush
Lesley Gore
Link Wray
Big Star
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Carole King
Carly Simon
Kool and The Gang
Harold Melvin and The Blue Notes
Sparks
Nick Drake
OutKast
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Go-Go's
Big Mama Thornton
B-52S
The Pointer Sisters
Gram Parsons (solo or with The Flying Burrito Brothers)
Kraftwerk
Daft Punk

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 14:21pm


Who do you guys see being the 2021 inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 14:57pm


Quick KING MAY 2020 Talk.
Amazing Iron Maiden has never been nominated. Judas Priest has caused a log jam because they can't get inducted. Motorhead might return as well.
This should be Willie Nelson's time in 2021. He just turned 87 years old. Enough waiting!
I think Diana Ross and Kool & The Gang would be inducted if they are on the ballot. Chaka Khan had her chance.
Here's your Quick 20 Nominees Richie! 2021 man.
1. Duran Duran- Pioneer in video. Influence + 6 CD's of Hits.
2. Soundgarden-Cornell legend!
3. Diana Ross-Sexy and great. Millions of record sold.
4.Judas Priest-Incredible Influence and Longevity. Love Turbo lover!
5. Smashing Pumpkins-90's greats. Diverse work. 1979!
6. Procol Harum-Conquistador! A Whiter Shade Of Pale! PH salute!
7. Gram/Emmylou-Both deserve induction. This would ensure induction joint nomination.
8. Black Crowes-Musically excellent. Deserving. Bluesy Southern rock.
9. Pat Benatar-Pat's back in black. Going to be inducted this time.
10. Lenny Kravitz-Need Lenny to rock the place. Underrated catalog.
11. Bad Company-Time for legend Paul Rodgers. Strong 6 album run. Had success with and without Paul.
12. Iron Maiden-Greatest group of all-time. The whole package. Love The Trooper and Run To The Hills.
13. Rage Against The Machine-Innovative and maybe their time.
14. Kool & The Gang-Have the longevity and hit songs. Give them a chance.
15. Dave Matthews Band- #1 in Fan Vote. Deserve another chance.
16. Foreigner-70's Classic Rock. Urgent Classic! Gramm 1 of the best singers.
17. LL Cool J-Another chance for LL but difficult with Jay-Z here.
18. Bryan Adams-80's time and Adams earns 1st nomination. Cuts Like A Knife feels so right!
19. The Eurythmics-Annie Lennox returns sliding into 1 of the last positions on the ballot.
20. Jay-Z. One of the locks as influential rappers have sailed in 2 PAC and Biggie.
Willie Nelson may be given a special award. Foo Fighters should be a good bet but Grohl may push for Soundgarden, Rage, Motorhead. He's a humble man.
KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 17:01pm


If my prediction ballot were the real ballot the inductees would likely look this.

Jay-Z
OutKast
Beck
Duran Duran
John Prine

If six: Commodores or Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

If seven: Tommy James and The Shondells

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 17:44pm


It could also go like this

Jay-Z
Go-Go's
Duran Duran
Beck
Soundgarden

If six: Kate Bush
If seven: Judas Priest

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 17:52pm


My ideal class for 2021

Big Star
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk
Judas Priest
OutKast
Carole King
Carly Simon
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Harold Melvin and The Blue Notes

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 18:04pm


My ideal class for 2021 would be something like:

Black Flag
Brian Eno
Joy Division
Judas Priest
King Crimson
Kraftwerk
OutKast
The Pixies
Siouxsie and the Banshees


...which would probably never happen. But at least some of that would be nice.

Incidentally, that would be an awesome show.

Posted by Ray on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 22:34pm


I like what Greg F. and KING are throwing out there, and I also like Nick's pitch article for Outkast, which is very compelling and interesting, so I will include them. Looks like 20 for nomination, which is cool..

Pat Benatar/ Neil Giraldo (no explanation needed)
Motorhead ( I got a feeling on this)
Jethro Tull -- (Can we wait any Freakin' longer?)
OutKast
The Go - Go's (have been building some momentum)
The Guess Who (stop snubbing them!)
Thin Lizzy (critics favorite.. Go For it..)
The B-52's ( Riding them til they are in.. let's go. Dance this Mess Around!)
Tommy James and The Shondells ( gotta go Classic Elite at some point!)
Soundgarden (Get 'em In Already!!)
The Commodores - (Overlooked for way too long..)
New York Dolls - (Early Punk/ Glam Pioneers with rebellious in your face statements..)
The Smiths - (How long are you gonna ignore them?!!)
Kate Bush - ( One of a Kind extraordinaire) damn, I even spelled it right..
Buzzcocks - (Have to have me some first wave British Punk included, maybe the best..)
INXS - ( Major hits, very Original, material is still relevant and fresh..)
Tina Turner - (Lest we forget..she was the Boss in women's power for an era of music)
Willie Nelson - (for Christ sake's..wtf!)
King Crimson - (hard to exclude a band of this caliber..)
Smashing Pumpkins - (maybe not yet , but soon. it is inevitable..)
Bad Company - (had to throw in another Classic Rocker, agree with KING.. Paul Rodgers HAS to get in..)
Eurythmics - (if we're going new wave it has to be this band..)

I think that is 20. I am excluding the no brainers, Hall lock picks like Jay -Z, Foo Fighters, maybe Rage, or DMB, in lieu of the more average potential bands and artists that are great. Also went for a bit of freshness with new nominees instead of previous repeats like Kraftwerk, Judas Priest, Rufus w/Chaka Khan, MC5, etc. who are spinning their wheels and not getting traction. These bands can be revisited in another year to gain some perspective. The Hall needs to mix it up a bit. What does everyone else think?..

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 05/1/2020 @ 23:58pm


Will N.,

I am back on track with predictions. You have a nice list. We have several in common. But I am a little confused. You said at the bottom that you are excluding Hall lock picks like Jay-Z, Foo Fighters,maybe Rage etc in lieu of the more average potential bands. Are those predictions of yours too? If they are Hall lock picks do you think they will hold off or include those for sure. I am actually and totally predicting Jay-Z, Foo Fighters and DMB, In any case we agree totally on others like Pat Benatar, Jethro Tull and the B52s. I also agree with Tommy James & the Shondells. You got to have some other 60s act at some point. The Smiths and Eurythmics are rather possible among others you have. Let me know about the Hall lock picks. Are those predictions also or not? Maybe you think they will do those another year. A bit confusing. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/2/2020 @ 06:55am


Songwriters Hall Of Fame Reschedules 51st Annual Induction And Awards Dinner

New date set for June 10, 2021 in New York City

New York, NY – March 31, 2020 – The Songwriters Hall of Fame has rescheduled their 51st Annual Induction & Awards Gala originally set for June 11, 2020 to June 10, 2021, at the Marriott Marquis New York.

https://www.songhall.org/news/view/songwriters_hall_of_fame_reschedules_51st_annual_induction_and_awards_dinner

THE 2020 SONGWRITERS HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Mariah Carey
Steve Miller
Rick Nowels
William "Mickey" Stevenson

Eurythmics
The Neptunes
The Isley Brothers

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 05/2/2020 @ 12:41pm


Ben,
No, those are not really predictions. It is really too early to post serious predictions. What I was really doing was following KING's lead, and the list Greg F. threw out there. I excluded some of the more obvious and probable selections for nomination, and instead posted who, or what bands I feel should be considered, and may be close to being recognized or possibly nominated, but have been hanging on the cusp, of maybe receiving that honor of nomination. I guess you would say it comprises a combination of bands or artists I feel have a chance, with those who I would really like to see get a nomination, and deserve one, and also adding a brief statement, supporting the choice, As KING did with his choices. It seemed like they were just attempting to have some fun with it, so I ran with the notion and idea as I saw it. In these times, we should be having a little fun with it. Nothing serious for me for a few more months. Although I will be serious in support of a band or artist that I feel should be considered or recognized that is not being given respect, love, or acknowledgement. There are a ton of bands out there that do not get their just due. Someone just mention Grand Funk Railroad in a recent post, and there is a fine example of that. In support of my choices on the list, I am also not including favorite bands/artists that I would love to see get nominated, but I realize there are quite a few more worthy candidates, probably still ahead of them. So my inclusion of bands like Blue Oyster Cult, Styx, Kansas, Supertramp, The Monkees, Grand Funk, Alice In Chains, Rainbow, Wishbone Ash, Nazareth, Devo, or Jim Croce, or John Denver, I would not include on such a list. Actually, I could have included Devo, I sort of forgot about them until just now.
Anyway, Ben, I hope that explains the inspirational logic, or lack of logic, behind those picks.. Really, it's just throwing stuff out there trying to stimulate some conversation and follow through....

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 05/2/2020 @ 22:39pm


Will N.,

I do see now. Now even though I made serious predictions It will probably change about 3 times in the next few months. You have a cool twist on a ballot. Having fun with it is good. It passes the time well. I may do a similar thing to that. It's great to do that in these times. Knowing what you did Blue Oyster Cult, Supertramp,The Monkees,Devo and the others are great choices. That's a cool kind of list in the meantime.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/3/2020 @ 07:13am


It is May 3, 2020 .

In prog news:

This month will mark the 40th anniversary of Simon Le Bon joining Duran Duran. Later this month, will also mark the 39th anniversary of my introduction to the music of Yes. In August, it will mark the 40th anniversary of my discovery of the music of The Moody Blues. In October, I will acknowledge the 40th anniversary of my re-introduction to the music of Rush via "Hemispheres" and my introduction to the music of Pink Floyd via "Dark Side Of The Moon."

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05/3/2020 @ 13:43pm


I like what Will N. and King are doing with a Fun list for 2021. Here is 20 for nomination.
B52s( I agree with getting them in already).
Bad Company(Good Classic Rock band like King says)
Pat Benatar(she clearly needs another shot Right away)
Cher( it's a good choice for a Female pop singer)
Duran Duran( one of the most popular New wave bands of the 80s)
Grand Funk Railroad( these guys were a huge in the 70s)
The Guess Who( they have been snubbed a long time)
Iron Maiden(a key Old Heavy Metal band from the 80s era)
Tommy James & the Shondells( great act for the 60s)
Jethro Tull( come on already. Stop snubbing them)
Judas Priest( a Key 80s Heavy Metal band that should return)
King Crimson( I agree it's hard to exclude a Prog act of this caliber)
Dave Matthews Band( they need another chance)
Willie Nelson( He is 87 for gosh sake, Come on)
OutKast
John Prine( Great singer/songwriter who was a victim of this crisis)
The Smiths
Soundgarden( Just like Will N. Get em in already)
Tina Turner( Oh yes a Boss in Woman's power back in the 70s and 80s)
Steve Winwood(He should be In for his solo work)

Posted by Ben on Monday, 05/4/2020 @ 16:24pm


Hey Ben,
Good choices! You threw a few wild cards out there. We just need a few more participants to throw a few of their favorites and borderline choices out there to mix it up a little, and get creative.. Where is K-Dawg? I'm sure the Dude has a little time to give us 20 wild picks..

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 05/4/2020 @ 21:11pm


Ben, and KING, and the Dude and anyone else, maybe Jennifer,
Lately with this pandemic, I find myself going back to music that I may not heard in quite awhile, and I keep checking out early Jefferson Starship. I would like to get some feedback from people on their relevance, as they were very huge in the mid 70's after changing their name and some personnel. They scored big with "Miracles", "With Your Love", "Count On Me", "Runaway", and a few others, as singles, and the LP's, "Red Octopus", "Dragon Fly", "Spitfire", and "Earth", which were all great. This is not even including their stuff from the 80's with Freedom at Point Zero and other releases, which they had quite a bit of commercial success. Maybe it is because in my formative years with music they were one of the prominent hit bands at the time, but what I would like to get is how everyone else feels how this band fits into the equation. Or what sort of effect they may have played on your early years. Yes, it is kind of Phase 2 from the original band Jefferson Airplane, but a unique quandary nonetheless, as I may even like the Starship better overall. I guess I am just needing some Input on this subject.. Anybody have some opinions?.

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 05/4/2020 @ 21:42pm


If next year's class was based on my taste of music it would look like this:

Foo Fighters (As an FYE)
Deftones (Also an FYE)
Mötley Crue
Judas Priest
Joy Division/New Order
Pat Benatar
Jethro Tull

What I'm really expecting:

Jay-Z
Either Foo Fighters or Soundgarden
Pat Benatar
Dionne Warwick
Boston
Either Duran Duran or the Smiths
Thin Lizzy

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 05/4/2020 @ 21:44pm


Hello, Will N.

I'm not Ben, KING, The Dude or Jennifer. I'm joker, and it's good to finally meet you. You asked about Jefferson Starship so I'll tell you what I think about them. I really like their 1st album Dragon Fly. I love to sing the song "I wanna ride, ride the tiger!" It's after that where I don't really have anything great to say. I remember way back when I was at the phase when I wanted to look at girlie magazines. An older "friend" was able to help me out, and I remember reading a review of Red Octopus. The writer talked about Miracles and what a great song it was to f**k to or something to that effect. At the time I was too young to take him up on his advice. I never cared for the song. It goes on too long, and I'm just not a sax guy. I did like their song With Your Love. A nice mellow space love song. But then on the Earth album I just thought they went way too far into Adult Contemp territory. I like plenty of that type of music, Count on Me just puts me to sleep. That's like Doctor's office Adult Contemp. I did like Runaway though. They surely needed a change, and thankfully like a breath of fresh air, they hired Micky Thomas to sing and released Freedom At Point Zero with the rockers Jane and Find Your Way Back. To sum up on a scale of 1 to 10, I say 5.5 or 6. It's like Carole King. Already induced, let's put some others in who deserve it first.

Posted by joker on Monday, 05/4/2020 @ 22:36pm


Hey Thanks Joker,
Yes, I always read your perspectives. I neglected to include With Your Love and Ride The Tiger, both of which are great. Thanks, for the response. I'm not sure what audience they were aiming for in the mid to late 70's, but yes you could say Adult Contemporary. I just remember it being on the radio a lot and the singles going pretty high on the charts, there seemed to be quite a lot of that style of music around that time. I probably ditched most of it when Punk, NWOBHM, and New wave came around.. Such is life, then once in awhile we reflect back on certain periods.. Be Well.

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 05/4/2020 @ 23:00pm


Will N.,
You want to chat about the Jefferson Starship. This was really the 2nd Phase for Grace Slick,Paul Kanter,etc. Long long ago I owned Dragonfly and Red Octupus. Later on I simply got some Fr hits type CDs for them. I really like Ride the Tiger and Caroline on Dragonfly. On Red Octupus I don't mind Miracles. It's an AM memory from when I was a kid. Later on I liked Play on Love and Fast Buck Freddie. This period was kind of mellow compared to the Airplane. But they did Jam on some of the less known Tracks. I did Own Spitfire for awhile too. I love St Charles on that. That is more of a Jam. I also like With Your Love. It's a nice Love song. I listen Jefferson Starship quite a bit. There is some stuff for now on Jefferson Starship.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/5/2020 @ 07:15am


Hey Ben,
Thanks for the response on Jefferson Starship. Joker weighed in also on the band. You seem to have good knowledge on the album cuts, and not just the hits. I will have to check out more of the LP material. I had skipped over a lot of it, because of the multitude of Rock bands of the 70's and 80's. I know the band was pretty big for some time, and they don't really get mentioned at all, which I'm sure is due to Jefferson Airplane being in HOF. Still, it is kind of a unique situation, which tweaks my curiosity on how people think on their status. For me, I would say they are in that revolving, grey area orbit, as so many other Classic Rock type bands. I agree with Joker that there are far too many deserving acts ahead of JS, at this time, and for these reasons I do not include them on any possible nominations list, although I do think they should not be ignored also..

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 05/5/2020 @ 10:21am


IMO, it will be a cold day in Hell when Jefferson Starship is sent to the Hall. The best they could do is that one day 'Jefferson Airplane' is changed to 'Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship' and the major performers in the Starship, who were not in the Airplane, get added.

This would probably happen in a time when we're all dead.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 05/5/2020 @ 11:13am


Will N.,
Jefferson Starship is an interesting act t ok chat about. It's a Middle phase for the key members. I meant to say I own some Greatest hits CDs for them. They did Not have a lot of Top 10 hits at all. Just 2 I think with Miracles and With Your Love. Album tracks are thrown on the Greatest hits albums On Red Octopus the Closing tracks are Sandalphon and There Will Be Love. I recall those are Mellow Jams. But certainly not the Commercial Type. St Charles is a Jammin tune on Spitfire. When they Jam it's typical 70s Jam tunes. I have never Seen them in concert but I recall hearing that they jammed with these tunes I mention. To add more I will say Earth was released in 1978. It's the last with Marty Balin. Count on me was the big hit. It's a sleepy tune . But there is the tune Light the Sky on Fire. That tune kind of rocks in a 70s style. It's the last time Marty Balin rocked. There was a concert fiasco around Summer 1978 in Germany. Grace Slick got sick and the German fans had a riot. After that Marty Balin quit and Grace took an hiatus. They hired Mickey Thomas and released Freedom at Point Zero in 1979. They ditched the Mellow sound a lot . It has the Rocker Jane. Just to correct Joker, Find Your Back is on Modern Times That was released in 1981. That is as far as I went with Jefferson Starship. Didn't follow them after that much at all. By the early 80s they had an Arena Rock style. I like some Arena rock. But arena Rock better by those like Journey . Jefferson Starship are NOT arena Rock material

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/5/2020 @ 11:55am


Damn there is no Edit. I mean Jefferson Starship are NOT Induction material. Jefferson Airplane is already inducted. Let's hold off on this one. I agree that they should NOT be included on any nomination lists any time soon.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/5/2020 @ 11:59am


You're right, Ben. Grace Slick had been away from the band and then Found Her Way Back to appear in some of the songs on Modern Times.

Posted by joker on Tuesday, 05/5/2020 @ 15:29pm


joker,

That's as far as I went altogether with Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship. I phased them out with further releases. Yes,Grace Slick returned with Modern Times. That's as far as I stretched. My favorite stuff of their stuff is the Airplane and early Jefferson Starship in the 70s

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/5/2020 @ 16:47pm


joker,

That's as far as I went altogether with Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship. I phased them out with further releases. Yes,Grace Slick returned with Modern Times. That's as far as I stretched. My favorite stuff of their stuff is the Airplane and early Jefferson Starship in the 70s

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 05/5/2020 @ 16:47pm


Ben.
Hey, good discussion , guys. It's cool to air out some opinions occasionally. While I am on the road at work, I checked out some of those Dragonfly and Spitfire tunes today. "St. Charles" is a definite Classic jam, and of course, "Ride the Tiger", which used to get FM radio play years ago. Also listened to "Caroline", Devil's Den", and "Hyperdrive", all of which are very good to excellent. I am not really a fan of the later 80's material of Jefferson Starship. After Freedom at Point Zero, I felt they went much more commercial and into the Arena Rock as you guys say, but their first 4 to 5 albums stack up pretty well against some other bands and artists of the same time period. In that particular genre, not comparing to heavier Rock, Metal, or early Punk, of course..

Posted by Will N. on Tuesday, 05/5/2020 @ 23:33pm


Will N.,
Great chat as always. Jefferson Starship in the 70s was a good middle period. I forgot to mention Hyperdrive, They were not that commercial during the 70s except for Miracles and With Your Love. St. Charles certainly shows that they weren't just doing Adult Contemporary. I didn't dabble into Punk so I followed Jefferson Starship for awhile. I almost saw them in 1981 but couldn't get tickets. But Yes, after Freedom at Point Zero I also feel they went much more commercial. and they were into Arena rock.. I stopped in the early 80s with them

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/6/2020 @ 06:01am


Will N.,
Great chat as always. Jefferson Starship in the 70s was a good middle period. I forgot to mention Hyperdrive, They were not that commercial during the 70s except for Miracles and With Your Love. St. Charles certainly shows that they weren't just doing Adult Contemporary. I didn't dabble into Punk so I followed Jefferson Starship for awhile. I almost saw them in 1981 but couldn't get tickets. But Yes, after Freedom at Point Zero I also feel they went much more commercial. and they were into Arena rock.. I stopped in the early 80s with them

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 05/6/2020 @ 06:01am


Sorry, I've been super busy with work and life, but I wanted to say RIP Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk. And a crying shame he isn't prefaced with Rock and Roll Hall of Famer Florian Schneider.

A lot of great content lately. I hope I can get up to speed and contribute, but we will see how things go...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/6/2020 @ 10:11am


Weren't Kraftwerk supposed to go on a tour this year for their 50th anniversary before Florian's death or was already cancelled for obvious reasons (Covid-19)? They'll get nominated again though, but it won't be easy to induct them for next year's class- it might take several more nominations to happen.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/6/2020 @ 10:29am


Dude, I saw Kraftwerk listed on some British fest that has been cancelled. So you are correct on that.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 05/6/2020 @ 14:00pm


Hi all,

Does anyone have thoughts on what post-2000 rock bands are likely to get in eventually? Obviously most of the artists that have become popular/influential/acclaimed in the last two decades to the point of being Hall-worthy have been more pop, hip hop, or R&B oriented, with traditional rock bands facing diminishing returns in terms of broad mainstream appeal and influence. Here's a list of rock groups from the 2000s & 2010s (I have several here that had releases in the 90s but are generally more known for their 2000s work) that I think have a shot at making it in at some point, ordered by eligibility year:

Modest Mouse (2021)
Coldplay (2023)
Muse (2023)
Queens of the Stone Age (2023)
System of a Down (2023)
The White Stripes (2024)
Linkin Park (2025)
Sufjan Stevens (2025)
The Strokes (2026)
The Black Keys (2027)
Fall Out Boy (2027)
LCD Soundsystem (2027)
Maroon 5 (2027)
My Chemical Romance (2027)
Yeah Yeah Yeahs (2027)
Arcade Fire (2028)
The Killers (2029)
Arctic Monkeys (2030)
Panic! at the Disco (2030)
Paramore (2030)
St. Vincent (2031)
Bon Iver (2032)
Vampire Weekend (2032)
Imagine Dragons (2034)
Twenty One Pilots (2034)

Thoughts, and any you would add or remove?

Posted by RG on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 00:04am


RG:

Death Cab for Cutie, Florence + the Machine, the Fleet Foxes, Tame Impala, Animal Collective, Panda Bear, and Ariel Pink all come to mind, some of them more likely than others.

Neurosis (probably more of a '90s band), ISIS, Alcest, and Weakling would deserve it, but I'm not sure if even Dave Grohl knows who they are. Nightwish, too, but they're a little more well known (though I'd still give their odds as doubtful).

Posted by Ray on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 00:35am


Ray,

Thanks for responding! Tame Impala & Florence are great picks, I should have included them on my list. Fleet Foxes are one of my favorite bands of all time, I would be thrilled to see them get in but am not holding my breath. Animal Collective I could see if the Hall starts getting really cool about indie rock, but I don't think a Panda Bear solo induction will ever happen. Death Cab and Ariel Pink are both great, but I don't think either have the kind of careers you could immediately point to as Hall-worthy.

The rest you mentioned are pretty far into the Metal niche. Things can always change, but if Judas Priest and Iron Maiden can't easily get in after 20 years, I don't see how Neurosis and Alcest ever will.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 09:08am


Another HOFer is gone. Little Richard has passed at 87...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 09:10am


This post is for RG.

These are the future eligible bands from the 2000's and beyond who I think should be inducted the most from my point of view.

The White Stripes
Slipknot
System of Down
Linkin Park
My Chemical Romance
The Strokes
The Black Keys
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Queens of the Stone Age
Kill switch Engage
Paramore
Bring Me The Horizon
Babymetal
Deafheaven
Cage the Elephant
Eagles of Death Metal

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 09:45am


I like The Dude's taste in music, but I also think Dream Theater, Opeth & DragonForce need to be added to the list.

Posted by John Mangee on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 09:55am


@ John Mangee

Dragonforce is also on my most wanted list along with Muse and A Day To Remember. Forgot to add those guys too.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 10:07am


Great list, The Dude.

And RIP to Little Richard. A true legendary music icon, and one of the reasons that any of this music that we love exists at all.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 10:30am


@Dude, I would add Cage the Elephant to my list as well.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 10:31am


Franz Ferdinand is another 00's band that has received ongoing critical acclaim with some hits that have continue to receive airplay on indie rock radio. I'm not sure if they've been a major influence on any massive artists yet, but its still a bit early, and I've seen names like Two Door Cinema Club, Atlas Genius, Western Education, and the Cribs been listed as followers. I don't think Franz Ferdinand will get in right away but they're certainly one to be considered.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 16:21pm


I considered putting Franz Ferdinand on my list, but in the end I specifically decided to leave them off. They were big for a brief period in the 2000s, but their longevity mainly only consists of Take Me Out and maybe two other singles still getting play. Their sound was good, but not anything particularly unique among their peers, and they are well-liked but not really that critically acclaimed. And it's really not too soon for them to be influential yet, their breakthrough was 16 years ago, and their last release that got any kind of critical/commercial traction was 11 years ago. Compare them to their mid-aughts indie boom peers like Arcade Fire, Modest Mouse, The Killers, LCD Soundsystem, & Sufjan Stevens, and each one of them has a decent case based on longevity, critical acclaim, influence, and commercial success that Franz Ferdinand has really never lived up to. I kept Phoenix off of my list for pretty much the same reasons.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 18:31pm


Ok, this time I'm taking the 100 biggest selling bands and putting them in order from earliest year to latest. Thos already old enough will be grouped in one, though.

Already Old Enough:
Alabama
Foreigner
The Dixie Chicks
Dave Matthews Band
Brooks & Dunn
Boston
The Carpenters
Motley Crue
REO Speedwagon
Hootie and the Blowfish
Sade
Kansas
Smashing Pumpkins
The Monkees
Stone Temple Pilots
Styx
Korn
Bad Company
INXS
Wings
Poison
No Doubt
Alice In Chains
Foo Fighters
The Offspring
The Cranberries
Duran Duran
Toto
Huey Lewis and The News
Counting Crows
Whitesnake
Survivor
Blink-182
Live
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Scorpions
Loverboy
Grand Funk Railroad
Three Dog Night
.38 Special
Bush
Men at Work
Sublime
Air Supply
Tool
Rage Against the Machine
Goo Goo Dolls.

Eligible in 2021:
Nickelback
Matchbox Twenty
Limp Bizkit
Skillet
Slipknot
Staind

Eligible in 2022:
Creed
Savage Garden

2023:
Coldplay
Evanescence
Mumford & Sons
Muse

2024:
Godsmack

2025:
Linkin Park
Rascal Flatts
3 Doors Down
Disturbed

2027:
Maroon 5
Fall Out Boy
Breaking Benjamin
My Chemical Romance
Little Big Town
All American Rejects
The Black Keys

2028:
The Fray
Three Days Grace
Shinedown

2029:
Zac Brown Band
Sugarland
The Killers

2030:
Panic! At The Disco
Paramore

2031:
Daughtry
Jonas Brothers

2032:
Lady Antebellum
OneRepublic
Owl City
Cage The Elephant

2033:
Florence and the Machine

2034:
Twenty One Pilots
Imagine Dragons
fun.
The Band Perry

2035 or latter:
Florida Georgia Line
Clean Bandit
Foster the People
5 Seconds of Summer

Date Unknown, or at least not on this site. Can someone please find a date for these acts?:
Dan+Shay
Casting Crowns
MercyMe
X Ambassadors
Old Dominion

As you can see, 2026 is the only year not on this list from 2021-2035.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 18:53pm


"Eligible in 2021:
Nickelback
Matchbox Twenty
Limp Bizkit
Skillet
Slipknot
Staind

Eligible in 2022:
Creed
Savage Garden"

God, what a terrible couple of years in rock history.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 19:59pm


The worst future eligible band of all time that will and should NEVER be inducted into the Rock Hall: Blood On The Dance Floor.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 20:40pm


Slipknot and Staind are a couple awesome bands. Hold your tongue

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 21:11pm


Like what you like, K-Dawg, no shame in it! My personal opinion is just that most nu metal is pretty much unlistenable.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 05/9/2020 @ 23:09pm


RG, here are my thoughts on em:

Modest Mouse (2021) - Probably
Coldplay (2023) - Definitely
Muse (2023) - Probably
Queens of the Stone Age (2023) - Definitely
System of a Down (2023) - Probably
The White Stripes (2024) - Definitely
Linkin Park (2025) - Definitely
Sufjan Stevens (2025) - No
The Strokes (2026) - No
The Black Keys (2027) - Probably
Fall Out Boy (2027) - Probably
LCD Soundsystem (2027) -Probably
Maroon 5 (2027) - No
My Chemical Romance (2027) - Probably
Yeah Yeah Yeahs (2027) - No
Arcade Fire (2028) - Definitely
The Killers (2029) - Definitely
Arctic Monkeys (2030) - Probably
Panic! at the Disco (2030) - Probably
Paramore (2030) - Probably
St. Vincent (2031) - Probably
Bon Iver (2032) - No
Vampire Weekend (2032) - Probably
Imagine Dragons (2034) - Probably
Twenty One Pilots (2034) - Definitely

Hope you are doing fine & staying safe!

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 05/10/2020 @ 10:20am


Thanks Paul! Hope you are well too.

Interesting that you think The Strokes will never get in. When I put them on this list, I had them as one of my safer bets for 2000s bands getting in. Any particular reason why you left them off?

Posted by RG on Sunday, 05/10/2020 @ 10:39am


If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner (solo)
10. Foo Fighters
11. John Prine
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Motörhead
14. Joy Division/New Order
15. Dave Matthews Band
16. Thin Lizzy
17. Eurythmics
18. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
19. MC5
20. Beck
21. Jay Z
22. Weezer
23. Phish
24. Cher
25. The Go-Gos
26. Soundgarden
27. Judas Priest

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 05/10/2020 @ 14:43pm


RG, I may have been too hasty on The Strokes. I do think that since 'Is This It', their later albums have been not as good. Probably gonna happen, as that album is so good.

Now that they are back from their long hiatus, this new album (IMO) will show me if they still have that magic that they did at one time have. Just feel that right now (leaving new album aside) that they just don't have enough killer material for Hall.

Saw them at Bonnaroo back in 2011 or 2012. Great set, though Casablancas was late getting to it.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 05/11/2020 @ 07:35am


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Here's the links to the installments released so far -

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Part 4 will be released sometime this weekend.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 05/13/2020 @ 22:31pm


Who do you guys see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/16/2020 @ 00:08am


Here's an updated list of the most certified bands in America who are not in the Rock Hall with the inclusions of albums, EP's, singles (both digital and standard), video albums, video singles, and ringtones.

1. Maroon 5- 121.5 Million
2. Linkin Park- 63.6 Million
3. Florida Georgia Line- 56 Million
4. Twenty One Pilots- 49.5 Million
5. Alabama- 46.8 Million
6. Foreigner- 45.5 Million
7. The Dixie Chicks- 40.8 Million
8. Panic! At the Disco- 38 Million
9. Coldplay- 36.6 Million
10. Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million
11. Rascal Flatts- 33.7 Million
12. Fall Out Boy- 33 Million
13. Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million
14. Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million
15. Boston- 31 Million
16. Imagine Dragons- 30 Million
17. The Carpenters- 29.6 Million
18. Lady Antebellum- 28.05 Million
19. Nickelback- 27.8 Million
20. Motley Crue- 26.8 Million
21. REO Speedwagon- 26 Million
22. Creed- 26 Million
23. 3 Doors Down- 25. 8 Million
24. Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million
25. OneRepublic- 24 Million
26. Sade- 23.5 Million
27. Kansas- 23 Million
28. Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million
29. The Fray- 22.5 Million
30. Paramore- 22 Million
31. Fun- 22 Million
32. Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million
33. Daughtry- 20 Million
34. Three Days Grace- 20 Million
35. The Monkees- 18 Million
36. Dan + Shay- 18 Million
37. Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million
38. Styx- 17.5 Million
39. Korn- 17.25 Million
40. Limp Bizkit- 17 Million
41. Bad Company- 16.650 Million
42. Shinedown - 16.550 Million
43. Disturbed- 16.5 Million
44. Casting Crowns- 16.5 Million
45. Sugarland- 16 Million
46. INXS- 16 Million
47. Wings- 16 Million
48. Poison- 15.750 Million
49. No Doubt- 15.6 Million
50. Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million
51. Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million
52. The Offspring- 15 Million
53. The Cranberries- 15 Million
54. Breaking Benjamin- 15 Million
55. The Band Perry- 14.5 Million
56. Evanescence- 14.5 Million
57. Duran Duran- 14 Million
58. Toto- 14 Million
59. Skillet- 14 Million
60. My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million
61. Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million
62. Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million
63. Counting Crows- 13 Million
64. Whitesnake- 12.650 Million
65. The Killers- 12.6 Million
66. MercyMe- 12.6 Million
67. The Jonas Bros- 12.56 Million
68. Survivor- 12.5 Million
69. Blink 182- 12.1 Million
70. Live- 12 Million
71. Little Big Town- 11.5 Million
72. Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million
73. Savage Garden- 11.5 Million
74. Judas Priest- 11.1 Million
75. Scorpions- 11.1 Million
76. All American Rejects- 11.1 Million
77. Loverboy- 11 Million
78. Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million
79. Owl City- 11 Million
80. Three Dog Night- 11 Million
81. X Ambassadors- 11 Million
82. Old Dominion- 11 Million
83. Godsmack- 10.6 Million
84. Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million
85. 38 Special- 10.5 Million
86. Florence and the Machine- 10.5 Million
87. Bush- 10.5 Million
88. Muse- 10.5 Million
89. Men at Work- 10.5 Million
90. The Black Keys- 10.5 Million
91. Slipknot- 10.2 Million
92. Staind- 10.050 Million
93. Sublime- 10 Million
94. Clean Bandit- 10 Million
95. Air Supply- 9.5 Million
96. Foster the People- 9.5 Million
97. 5 Seconds of Summer- 9.5 Million
98. Tool- 9.3 Million
99. Rage Against the Machine- 9.3 Million
100. Goo Goo Dolls- 9.1 Million

Below the top one-hundred

System of a Down- 9 Million
Soundgarden- 9 Million
Ratt- 9 Million
Bread- 9 Million
Lonestar- 8.5 Million
Bastille- 8.5 Million
Gym Class Heros- 8.5 Million
Skid Row- 8.1 Million
Weezer- 8.050 Million
Oasis- 8 Million
Hinder- 8 Million
America- 8 Million
Collective Soul- 8 Million
Plain White T's- 8 Million
Of Monster & Men- 8 Million
10,000 Maniacs- 8 Million
Megadeth- 7.950 Million
Iron Maiden- 7.9 Million
The Black Crows- 7.6 Million
311- 7.750 Million
Blood, Sweat & Tears- 7.5 Million
B-52's- 7.5 Million
Third Eye Blind- 7.5 Million
Awolnation- 7.5 Million
Jefferson Starship- 7.5 Million
Supertramp- 7.5 Million
Kool & the Gang- 7.5 Million
Pantera- 7.350 Million
Big & Rich- 7 Million
The Eli Young Band- 7 Million
Quiet Riot- 7 Million
Eurythmics- 7 Million
Cinderella- 7 Million
The Bangles- 6.55 Million
Theory Of A Deadman- 6.5 Million
Cultrue Club- 6.5 Million
Telsa- 6.5 Million
Incubus- 6.5 Million
Snow Patrol- 6.5 Million
The Oasis- 6.5 Million
Tears for Fears- 6.5 Million
War- 6.5 Million
Good Charlotte- 6.5 Million
The Lumineers- 6.5 Million
Bon Iver- 6 Million
Seether - 6 Million
Queensrÿche- 6 Million
Foghat- 6 Milllion
Portugal. The Man- 5.5 Million
Diamond Rio- 5.5 Million
Steppenwolf- 5.5 Million
Hoobastank- 5.5 Million
Phish- 5.5 Million
Five Finger Death Punch- 5.5 Million
Twisted Sister- 5.5 Million
Audioslave- 5.150 Million
Montgomery Gentry- 5 Million
Warrant- 5 Million
Papa Roach- 5 Million
Avenged Sevenfold- 5 Million
Buckcherry- 5 Million
Asia- 5 Million
Yellowcard- 5 Million
The Alan Parsons Project- 5 Million
Smash Mouth- 5 Million

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 05/16/2020 @ 13:47pm


I wonder why Nick and the Legion of Hall Watchers didn't just decide to put all 3 acts on for a 19-act ballot instead of breaking a 3-way tie between Kate Bush, Foo Fighters, and The Monkees.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 05/16/2020 @ 16:27pm


Dude,
Good job on all of your sales totals for bands, however you omitted Blue Oyster Cult @ 7 Million records sold in the U.S, They have sold 25 Million worldwide..

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 05/16/2020 @ 21:10pm


Blue Oyster Cult's certification total is actually 4.5 Million here. They have yet to get an update.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 05/16/2020 @ 22:25pm


Follower,
Because the number of nominees change each year, we wanted to stay safe and stick with whatever the number of nominees were in the previous year (16 for the Class of 2020). Kate Bush, Foo Fighters, and The Monkees vied for the 16th slot. Unfortunately the latter two missed out to appear on our ballot.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 05/17/2020 @ 00:15am


I hope you guys didn't have personal bias on the mock voting noms. Also since I'm here again (sorry I'm infrequent as ever now) The Dude, I have another question. We know Foo Fighters are eligible this year, but the question is, are they slam dunks? They have notable songs and Dave Grohl is a literally music god, but lack that sort... I don't know influence. Can you help me on this question?

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 05/17/2020 @ 01:13am


Foo Fighters does have a really good shot of getting inducted at first year, but it's possible Dave might wanna show some seniority for a few years cause of his good guy attitude.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 05/17/2020 @ 08:42am


Interesting, Dude. So the top selling 'Old Timey Band' not in Hall is The Carpenters. We inducted them into our Hall in 2013.

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 05/17/2020 @ 11:20am


When it comes to "Easy-listening" music, the Carpenters deserves an induction the most. Way more than Bread and Air Supply combined, but it's unfortunately seems like the support aren't there in the Nom Com and maybe the voting body.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 05/17/2020 @ 12:11pm


So, to anyone who may be reading this:

Who is a band/artist you like that you also feel shouldn't be in the rock hall?

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 05/17/2020 @ 20:37pm


Personally, I would see some of the acts who I like but don't meet the Hall's criteria as extras if inducted.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 05/17/2020 @ 22:39pm


And the local radio is also helping the Hall to stay relevant.

https://www.socastdigital.com/2020/02/26/radio-isnt-dying-its-just-evolving-a-millennials-point-of-view-posted-by-hussein-hamir-jan-30-2020-12417-pm/#

Radio Isn't Dying, It's Just Evolving – A Millennial's Point of View

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 05/19/2020 @ 14:11pm


Who do you guys see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 10:54am


Has anyone read the comments on Blabbermouth, related to the Rock Hall? They're so impetuous, clumsy, formulated with lots of cliches.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 11:22am


Who do you guys see being the 2021 induction class?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 14:25pm


Well, here's my choices for the 2021 induction class, if it were up to me:

Pat Benatar
Mariah Carey
Duran Duran
Judas Priest
King Crimson
Soundgarden

I know it's not up to me, but I'm pretending that it is. I think I have a right.

Posted by John Mangee on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 15:15pm


Richie
2-Lenny Kravitz and Scorpions watch4these2.
KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 15:24pm


What I'm expecting the next class to look like the most.

Either Foo Fighters or Soundgarden
Either Duran Duran or the Smiths
Jay-Z
Pat Benatar
Boston
Thin Lizzy
Dionne Warwick

I really want them to get back to seven again like last year.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 15:59pm


Personally, I wish they would just plain induct more than 7 acts per year.

Posted by John Mangee on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 16:04pm


@ John Mangee

The new head of the Rock Hall foundation wants to do two ceremonies yearly. One for the 50's and 60's, and one for the 70's, 80's and 90's. If it does happen, we could get a total of 14-20 acts inducted per year.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 16:34pm


Right, a class of 10 would be so refreshing and really work to get rid of the backlog. But I get why they don't, the ceremony would start to get out of hand even if steps were taken to streamline it. But certainly in a class like this year's, where only 3/6 of the inducted artists are alive to accept/perform at the ceremony, squeezing in a few more would not have hurt.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 16:38pm


The Dude -

Oh, interesting, do you have a link to the interview where he said that? This may be what he suggested, but if it is being split in two, I would much prefer one ceremony for artists eligible for 25+ years (currently 1970 or earlier) and one for artists eligible 0-25 years (currently 1971-1995) that changes with the times rather than having one be rooted specifically in the 50s and 60s.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 16:57pm


@ RG

Follower had said this a couple of times here from what I've heard, but he should show us a link, since I couldn't find where he got the info.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 17:18pm


Who do you guys see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 19:45pm


I know I have a lot of nominees for the 2021 Class, but that's based on what The Dude messaged me earlier this evening. And here they are.

Pat Benatar
Boston
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Foreigner
The Go-Gos
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
King Crimson
Kool & the Gang
Kraftwerk
Mariah Carey
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus feat. Chaka Khan
The Smiths
Soundgarden
War

I wanna thank The Dude for telling me about the Rock Hall possibly doing 2 induction ceremonies a year. Just one thing, though: You're running rather low on '50s & '60s acts to choose to induct. So I would rather the Hall focuses on the '70s, '80s, '90s and even 2000s.

Posted by John Mangee on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 20:44pm


Yeah, having looked at the list of artists still not in from the 50s and 60s since my last post, I really don't think we need a second ceremony. There just aren't enough worthy older artists left to justify it. Going for a higher number of inductees per year would be good, and I really like the Veteran's Committee idea that's been floating around.

It's gonna be shocking if Duran Duran doesn't breeze right into induction this year, huh? They seem to be on the top of everyone's predictions (mine included) despite never being nominated before.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 21:17pm


John Mangee, Richie, Dude, and others,
I believe they should definitely induct 7 or 8 per year to help with the backlog, and maybe 18 to 20 nominees would be good. Excluding the FYE's, the supposedly, blatantly obvious, and the shoo in's, if the Rock and Roll Gods were to administer justice and crown the most deserving acts the way that it appears it should be. This would be my perspective of course, 8 picks would be:

Pat Benatar/ Neil Giraldo
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
The B-52's
Tommy James and the Shondells
The Commodores
Soundgarden
Kraftwerk

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 21:58pm


Personally, the only 50's acts who are on my most wanted list are Link Wray and shock rock pioneer Screamin' Jay Hawkins. There are a good amount of bands left from the 60's that should get in other than the Monkees like Procol Harum, MC5, The 13th Floor Elevator, and Steppenwolf to name a few. I know two of the bands I've mentioned have their biggest songs added on the Singles Category, but it was executed horribly and even caused a lot of backlashes from fans, including most of us here - It really needs to go.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 05/27/2020 @ 23:04pm


Here's my list of artists that started in or prior to 1969 that I think are worthy of getting in, by eligibility year:

1976:
Big Mama Thornton

1982:
Patsy Cline
Screamin' Jay Hawkins

1983:
Link Wray

1984:
Carole King

1986:
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
Willie Nelson

1987:
Dick Dale
Patti LaBelle

1988:
Dionne Warwick
Dolly Parton

1990:
Cher
The Guess Who
The Shangri-Las
The Sonics
The Spencer Davis Group

1991:
Jim Croce
Love
MC5
The Monkees
Tommy James & The Shondells

1992:
Gram Parsons
Harry Nilsson
Procol Harum (which my phone repeatedly tried to autocorrect to Provolone)

1993:
Can
Emmylou Harris
Jethro Tull

1994:
The Carpenters
Grand Funk Railroad
Joe Cocker
King Crimson
The Meters
Mott the Hoople
Nick Drake
Slade
Warren Zevon

Posted by RG on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 00:13am


I would add, at least (not including a number of other Early Influence candidates):

1980:
Johnny Ace

1981:
Ella Fitzgerald
Herbie Hancock
John Coltrane
Johnny Burnette and the Rock N Roll Trio
The Tokens

1983:
The Chantels
Connie Francis
The Kingston Trio
Ornette Coleman
Serge Gainsbourg

1984:
Buck Owens
Lightnin' Hopkins
Sonny Boy Williamson

1985:
Cliff Richard and the Shadows
Jan and Dean

1986:
Nancy Sinatra

1987:
Davey Graham
Gordon Lightfoot
Toots & the Maytals

1988:
Anne Briggs (doesn't have a page on the site yet, but should)

1989:
Son House

1990:
Bert Jansch
Fred Neil
Joe Tex
John Cale
John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers
Junior Walker & the All-Stars
Nico

1991:
The 13th Floor Elevators
Captain Beefheart
The Incredible String Band
Roy Harper
Scott Walker
Tim Buckley

1992:
Crazy World of Arthur Brown
The Electric Prunes (probably)
Fairport Convention
The Soft Machine
Vanilla Fudge

1993:
Blue Cheer
Free
Pentangle (probably in a joint induction with Bert Jansch)
The Silver Apples

1994:
The Flying Burrito Brothers (probably in a joint induction with Gram Parsons)
Johnny Winter
Melanie (probably)
Van der Graaf Generator


Procol Harum and provolone are a great combo. The best way to enjoy the music.

Posted by Ray on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 02:47am


Who do you guys see being the 2021 induction class?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 09:40am


Screw it, I have time on my hands. Here's the continuation of my wishlist for the 70s-90s.

1994 (missed this one):
Kool & The Gang

1995:
Badfinger
Kraftwerk
Supertramp
Thin Lizzy
Todd Rundgren

1996:
Carly Simon
John Prine
Sparks
Steve Winwood
War

1997:
Big Star
Blue Oyster Cult

1998:
New York Dolls
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Tina Turner

1999:
Bad Company
Brian Eno
Commodores
Gloria Gaynor
Judas Priest
Pat Benatar

2000:
Television

2001:
Bonnie Tyler
Boston
The Modern Lovers
The Runaways

2002:
Bjork
The Buzzcocks
Chic
Devo
Iggy Pop
The Jam
Motorhead
Wire
XTC

2003:
The B-52's
Black Flag
Chaka Khan
Joy Division
Kate Bush
Los Lobos
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Squeeze
X

2004:
Bauhaus
The Dead Kennedys
Iron Maiden
The Specials
Sugarhill Gang
Weird Al Yankovic

2005:
The Go-Go's
INXS

2006:
The Bangles
Billy Idol
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Husker Du
Lionel Richie
Motley Crue
New Order
Phil Collins
The Replacements
Tears for Fears

2007:
Bad Brains
Sonic Youth
Steve Earle

2008:
Cyndi Lauper
Pantera
Pulp
Slayer
The Smiths
Social Distortion

2009:
LL Cool J
Nick Cave
Sade

2010:
Faith No More
My Bloody Valentine
Stone Roses

2011:
Eric B & Rakim
Salt N Pepa
Soundgarden

2012:
George Michael
Gloria Estefan
Jane's Addiction
Pixies
Sinead O'Connor

2013:
De La Soul
Kylie Minogue
Massive Attack
The Offspring
Phish
Tracy Chapman

2014:
A Tribe Called Quest
Lenny Kravitz
Pavement
Queen Latifah

2015:
Alice in Chains
Blur
Celine Dion
Hole
Mariah Carey
Smashing Pumpkins

2016:
Alanis Morrissette
Aphex Twin
The Cranberries
PJ Harvey
Tori Amos

2017:
Mary J Blige
Nas
No Doubt
Rage Against the Machine
Stone Temple Pilots
Tool
Wu-Tang Clan

2018:
Beck
Blink-182
Fugees
Jeff Buckley
Outkast
Sheryl Crow

2019:
Daft Punk
Elliott Smith
Oasis
Portishead
Sleater-Kinney
Weezer
Wilco

2020:
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z

Posted by RG on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 13:27pm


Don't forget Korn (2019) and Deftones (this year), RG; they're now eligible. Even though, I don't see those guys get inducted at this point but will and should later.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 13:42pm


The Dude -

This is just my personal list, and I am not in favor of a Korn or Deftones induction

Posted by RG on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 14:00pm


Here is my list of deserving artists by eligibility year 1975-1992:

1975:
Charles Mingus
The Weavers

1976:
The Dominoes
Esther Phillips

1977:
Big Mama Thornton
The Clovers
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Sonny Boy Williamson ll
Chuck Willis

1978:
Johnny Ace

1979:
Harry Belafonte
Tom Lehrer
Screamin' Jay Hawkins

1980:
Jacques Brel
George Jones
Odetta

1981:
Patsy Cline
Lonnie Donegan
Connie Francis
Joe Tex

1982:
John Coltrane
Johnny Burnette & The Rock N Roll Trio
Miriam Makeba
Conway Twitty

1983:
The Belmonts
The Chantels
Willie Nelson
Sun Ra

1984:
Glenn Campbell
Ornette Coleman
Dick Dale
Serge Gainsbourg
Carole King
The Kingston Trio
Link Wray

1985:
Jan & Dean
Waylon Jennings
Dolly Parton

1986:
Ben E. King
Loretta Lynn
Paul Revere & The Raiders
Mary Wells

1987:
The Crystals
The Marvelettes
The Spinners

1988:
Merle Haggard
Herbie Hancock
Labelle
Hugh Masekela
Peter, Paul and Mary
Dionne Warwick

1989:
Billy Preston
The Shangri-Las
Barry White

1990:
Cher
Marianne Faithfull
Harry Nilsson
The Pretty Things
The Sonics
Tommy James & The Shondells
Toots & The Maytals

1991:
The Guess Who
Nico

1992:
The 13th Floor Elevators
Tim Buckley
Jim Croce
Love
MC5
The Monkees
Scott Walker

Posted by Ozmeow1900 on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 15:40pm


Who do you see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 15:45pm


Part Two 1993-2009:

1993:
Big Brother & The Holding Company
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band
Gram Parsons
Procol Harum
Steppenwolf
Caetano Veloso

1994:
Can
Jethro Tull
The Meters
Yoko Ono
Os Mutantes
Silver Apples
Three Dog Night
Townes van Zandt

1995:
The Carpenters
Nick Drake
Emmylou Harris
King Crimson
Kool & The Gang
Slade
Warren Zevon

1996:
Emerson, Lake, & Palmer
Fela Kuti
Kraftwerk
Rufus
Todd Rundgren
Gil Scott-Heron
Tangerine Dream
Thin Lizzy
War

1997:
Faust
John Prine
Sparks
Wings

1998:
Big Star
Blue Öyster Cult
Neu!
The Residents

1999:
New York Dolls

2000:
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
The Commodores
Brian Eno
Judas Priest
Tina Turner

2001:
Boney M.
Television

2002:
Boston
The Damned
Jonathan Richman & The Modern Lovers
The Runaways
Peter Tosh

2003:
Björk
The Buzzcocks
Chic
Devo
Gloria Estefan & Miami Sound Machine
The Jam
Chaka Khan
Motörhead
Iggy Pop
Suicide
Throbbing Gristle
Wire
XTC

2004:
The B-52's
Kate Bush
The Cramps
The Fall
Joy Division
Public Image Ltd
Siouxsie & The Banshees
X

2005:
Bauhaus
Black Flag
The Dead Kennedys
Echo & The Bunnymen
Iron Maiden
Killing Joke
Gary Numan
Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark
The Psychedelic Furs
The Specials
"Weird Al" Yankovick

2006:
Afrikaa Bambaataa & Soulsonic Force
Bad Brains
INXS
Ozzy Ozborne

2007:
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
The Go-Go's
Hüsker Dü
Billy Idol
Ministry
New Order
The Replacements
Tears for Fears

2008:
Cocteau Twins
Sonic Youth

2009:
Faith No More
Cyndi Lauper
Pantera
Slayer
The Smiths
Violent Femmes

Posted by Ozmeow1900 on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 16:11pm


I already gave out predictions and I'll share them again since I made small changes .

Beck
Jay-Z
Soundgarden
Harold Melvin and The Blue Notes
Kate Bush
The Smiths
Joy Division/New Order
Kraftwerk
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Foreigner
MC5
New York Dolls
Tommy James and The Shondells
Kool and The Gang
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Judas Priest or Iron Maiden
John Prine
Carole King
Tina Turner

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 16:12pm


Who do you guys see being the 2021 induction class?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 17:48pm


I don't know maybe it would go something like this.

Kraftwerk
Jay-Z
Beck
Duran Duran
Joy Division/New Order
Tina Turner

Early Influence: The Carter Family (just a guess here)

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 18:26pm


Reposting my most recent predictions since we're doing this:

Boston
Cher
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Gos
Husker Du
Jay-Z
John Prine
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
Pat Benatar
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Thin Lizzy
Tommy James & The Shondells

With this list, I would expect the inductees to be:
Jay-Z
Duran Duran
Cher
Boston
Foo Fighters
Pat Benatar (if 6)
Tommy James & The Shondells (if 7)

Posted by RG on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 19:56pm


Kraftwerk had their chance. Make them an Early Influence and move forward. The voters have rejected Kraftwerk and Chaka Khan time and again. Might as well nominate Diana Ross. She would have the votes and 2x inductee.DuranDuran'syear.
7-2021Inductees
1.Duran Duran
2.DianaRoss
3.Bad Company
4.Soundgarden
5.PatBenatar
6.JudasPriest
7.Kool&TheGang
KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 19:58pm


Speaking of 2021 nominations, has anyone associated with the Hall spoken publicly about whether nominations for next year are expected to be delayed since this year's ceremony has, or if they will happen around the same time as or even at the ceremony in the fall (assuming it goes forward as scheduled)?

Posted by RG on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 20:26pm


Fellow Rock Hall watcher Alex Voltaire and myself created a Mock Nom Com Project where we asked a group of 20 Rock Hall Watchers to predict the Class of 2021 class. Thank you to those who already voted, but we need to get more votes and further legitimize the Project. And if you know anyone you would wanna vote, please share it and spread the word.

Here's the link to vote (results will be released in early September) -
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1A123aTsBOr-Dz2iy28NseoJwBCfas_F88OkhLtrv5OI/viewform?edit_requested=true

Posted by Nick on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 21:57pm


My predictions for the 2021 nominees are:

Beck
Pat Benatar
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
The Smiths
The Spinners
Tina Turner
War

Posted by richie on Friday, 05/29/2020 @ 09:45am


So far, these are the acts I'm expecting to be nominated the most.

Boston
Willie Nelson
Pat Benatar
The Buzzcocks
Mott the Hopple
Foo Fighters
Soundgarden
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Dionne Warwick
Thin Lizzy
Kate Bush
Rufus Feat. Chaka Khan
John Prine
The Smiths
Duran Duran
Jay-Z

What I'm expecting the next class to look like.

Either Foo Fighters or Soundgarden
The Smiths
Jay-Z
Pat Benatar
Boston
Thin Lizzy
Dionne Warwick

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 05/29/2020 @ 10:23am


Sorry KING, I disagree about Kraftwerk. It isn't because the voters rejected them that they keep getting nommed. It's because they SHOULD be in because they are the pioneers, progenitors and godfathers of electronic rock, the genre that spawned Euro, trance, techno, new wave, and countless others. While it may stick in the craw of so-called rock purists who only want guitar bass drums and a gyrating frontman, it is essential they get inducted. The very fabric and evolution of rock n roll has taken the direction it has, and gave us the 80s sounds and beyond, because of Kraftwerk and their contributions. They are among the most important acts in rock n roll history. It's a joke they keep getting passed over. They need to be rectified, and hopefully next year

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 05/29/2020 @ 11:50am


I think Chaka Khan, J. Geils Band, Kraftwerk, MC5, etc have had plenty of nominations to earn induction. I'd like to see Bad Company, Duran Duran, Iron Maiden, Motley Crue, Scorpions, The Pretty Things, The Stranglers, Wishbone Ash etc. receive an opportunity. Say Emmylou Harris or Diana Ross is placed on the ballot. They will have the votes.
I am shocked LL Cool J has not been inducted. He has everything in commercial success, albums and units sold, innovative and influential. Also a good-looking and charismatic performer. He's old enough now 52 to be a legend. I've advocated LL Cool J for many years now. Procol Harum should be inducted. Maybe my FAV group! Happy Birthday Mr. Gary Brooker May 29. Lenny Kravitz is someone Ive had on my list for a few years now. He's a unique artist and maybe 2020 he receives a nomination. I think Jay-Z is the ultimate slam dunk nominee and inductee. The question will be whether they nominate Foo Fighters or wait 1 year. They might try and get Rage and Soundgarden nominated and inducted for 2021. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 05/29/2020 @ 13:39pm


I like switching things up with the names on the nominee list, but we've gotta remember that it took seminal artists like Black Sabbath & The Stooges 8 nominations to get inducted, while the likes of Lynyrd Skynyrd, Patti Smith, and Gene Vincent all needed 7 nominations. Kraftwerk is too significant an artist to not be in the hall (as a performer and not an influence) and they should be nominated every year until they're in. Frankly, if the hall inducts more than 5-7 names a year, then this could be easily solved.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 05/29/2020 @ 13:50pm


Yeah, as of now, the Nom Com is so desperate for Kraftwerk to get in. It would take many more tries for it to happen cause I'm not really sure if Depeche Mode and Trent Reznor are enough.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 05/29/2020 @ 14:36pm


I would be fine with them temporarily easing up on MC5 and Rufus/Chaka because their respective genres are fairly well represented in the Hall and there are similar groups that might have better chances, but Kraftwerk is kind of a massive, glaring omission that they should keep trying for as soon as possible.

Posted by RG on Friday, 05/29/2020 @ 17:10pm


King,

I am No fan of Kraftwerk at all. I have never followed or liked Electronic Rock,Euro and Trance, I barely know what those are. I have some idea. But I still got to admit the Kraftwerk followers have a point in terms of predictions. I figure guys like K-Dawg have followed Kraftwerk through the years. I really just know the name. In terms of my own tastes I would be happy with Bad Company,Pat Benatar,Duran Duran,Iron Maiden,Motley Crue, Tommy James & the Shondells,Blood,Sweat & Tears,Jethro Tull,etc getting their opportunity as Nominees. Hell I would even throw in George Thorogood. But the fact is there is other kinds of genres out there. It's for that reason I keep Kraftwerk as a prediction. I base it on patterns. Chic and Rufus have been nominated soo many times. And so the same is true for Kraftwerk I suppose. As for whether Kraftwerk will ever be inducted. That we shall see. My guess is the ones you say will be inducted first, I've predicted acts that don't really know or like before.
Some of the Kraftwerk people here may not know Bad Company,Judas Priest and the Scorpions as much as we do. But I think some of them strongly favor Kraftwerk and also would predict ones like Bad Company.etc. So No I have never known much about Kraftwerk and their influence but I am aware of the Electro people out there. I am NOT an Electro person. I do like predicting accurately though. I love your choices though

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/30/2020 @ 08:30am


I have followed Kraftwerk mostly since the 90s, but make no mistake--my biggest classic rock omission complaint is Bad Company. Paul Rodgers has made far more contributions to rock than just singing on 6 albums for BC, and since they are on such a trend lately to get contributors like Brian Eno and the like involved, he is a glaring, gaping empty space in the RRHOF. Brian Howe's recent passing kind of reminded us, that BC is still on the outside looking in, and let's be honest--these guys aren't getting any younger. It would be nice if 70s acts were elected in a timely manner so that they're still spry enough to perform and appreciate; I get that it's largely been gutted because we've been seeing half the acts voted in likely 70s or 60s for the past 2 decades, but there's a smattering of acts, like them and Foreigner, who I feel still need induction.

That said, Kraftwerk should have been in 20 years ago.

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/30/2020 @ 14:09pm


K-Dawg,

Who do you see being the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 05/30/2020 @ 15:11pm


K-Dawg,

That was well Said. Except I did not follow what you said about Brian Zeno. You totally lost me there. Brian Eno have been a reference to other contributors . Please clarify that.
In any case I get ideas from a bunch of you that know these other genres and I incorporate them into my predictions. Just please Clarify. Hey you supported my series NOT too long ago.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 05/30/2020 @ 17:20pm


Simple, Ben. With some recent inductions, big names in music that hadn't previously been recognized are getting their due by acts associated with them going in. With Brian Eno, it's Roxy Music. Paul Rodgers has been in Bad Company, Free, the Firm and solo, and he is such a huge name in music, that it's a joke he hasn't found his way in the RRHOF yet. Hence, Bad Company, who I wanted in years ago, should be the next 70s act of a classic rock stature to be inducted ;)

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 05/30/2020 @ 19:01pm


K-Dawg,

Ah yes that's right. Brian Eno got recognition with Roxy Music. I forgot about the Roxy Music induction last year. It's been a crazy hectic time lately. And yes Paul Rodgers is the reknowned Lead singer of Bad Company as well as Free and his other contributions. Bad Company should be the next 70s act of a Classic rock stature to be inducted. There is a smattering of 70s acts like them,Grand Funk Railroad and Jethro Tull that still need to be inducted. I have a lot of knowledge of Bad Company. They are part of my music tastes. I learned of Kraftwerk from some of you guys. That prediction is based on that.

But Bad Company should be an easy win. They were the first band to release an album on Led Zep's Record Label,Swan Songs. That gives them extra credentials perhaps. They have respect amongst Rock musicians. And Paul Rodgers is well known

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 05/31/2020 @ 12:37pm


https://musically.com/2020/05/29/study-rock-still-americans-fave-genre-despite-the-charts/

Study: rock still Americans' fave genre – despite the charts

Proof the "rock is dead" statement is nothing but a meme and cliche. No form of music truly "dies."

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 06/1/2020 @ 08:06am


I got somebody to mention of a Classic Rock stature. How about Grand Funk Railroad? A lot of us haven't touched on them too much. Will N. has mentioned them for a ballot. Can a case be made for Grand Funk Railroad? They were top selling band of the early 70s. All kinds of 70s bands have been inducted. How about these guys. They had a bunch of albums in the early 70. Closer to Home and Grand Funk Live come to mind. Grand Funk Railroad are classic Rock omission. They are not serious an omission as Bad Company but they are worth considering.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/3/2020 @ 05:17am


I don't think Grand Funk Railroad will ever get in, but they're considered as the first arena rock band.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 06/3/2020 @ 07:16am


Hey Dude,

I know what you mean. They are consider the first Arena Band. I agree. I entertained the idea of them. There is 70s band way more important than G F Railroad that take priority. One of those is Bad Company. There is also Jethro Tull and Mott the Hoople that should be Nominated VERYY soon. How about those? Those are good bets

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/3/2020 @ 07:30am


Yeah, both Jethro Tull and Bad Company have a really good chance of getting inducted. Mott the Hopple might be more trickier cause they're not on a T. Rex level of popularity in the rock and alternative world.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 06/3/2020 @ 08:13am


Ben, and the Dude,
Real quick on Grand Funk. I definitely would not relegate Grand Funk solely in the Arena Rock category. They are more traditional Rock and Roll, but much heavier Hard Rock than blues, with a lot of Funk elements, especially in Mel Schacher's Bass playing. On the definition of Arena Rock, the term is attributed to technological advances in amplification, sound and lighting, visual techniques, and the ability for stage shows to be louder and more elaborate, and reach a larger audience. Resulting in some of the more popular acts of that time being able to book and play in much larger venues. The Rolling Stones "The Guardian" Tour in 1969 was stated to be the first to take advantage of these advancements and opportunities. Grand Funk Railroad happened to gaining in popularity a great deal, at the time after playing to big crowds at the Atlanta International Pop Festival in 1969 and 1970, also building momentum with the first 2 LP's achieving Gold status, and 1971's "Closer To Home" going multi- Platinum.
So promoting the band at this point, they were able to sell a lot of tickets and book the bigger venues, such as selling out Shea Stadium in New York in 72 hours. So this does include them into the genesis of Arena Rock, but really not with a particular style of music that may be associated with the Arena Rock term, as with later bands like Boston , Journey, REO, Styx, whose material may have been produced to attract larger audiences. Queen also probably benefited in the mid 70's to being able to play for huge crowds and sell a ton of tickets..
The success of Grand Funk probably helped and hurt them as well, as they put out a great deal of music in a short period of time, keeping them close to the top for awhile, and then kind of falling off quickly in the late 70's, after achieving some commercial stardom with "We're An American Band", "All the Girls in the World, Beware.." and "Shinin' On",. With the hits "American Band", "Locomotion" ,"Bad Time", "Some Kind Of Wonderful", and "Shinin' On", their popularity began to fade, with Disco and Punk rock coming into the scene, despite the Frank Zappa produced, cult record, "Good Singin', Good Playin'".
I would say Grand Funk Railroad does have the credentials, the material, the popular status, and decent sales to qualify them for the RRHOF, and they would be in mine for sure. But their band issues and quick drop from stardom probably hinders their chances, and like the Dude said, it would be difficult, but I feel they have a chance at some point. They did have a comeback try in the early 80's with 2 very good albums, with one song, "Queen Bee", being on the "Heavy Metal" movie soundtrack. Unfortunately, they are stuck on that Classic Rock in limbo list, with other bands that need to be nominated, or inducted like Bad Company, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Thin Lizzy, Foreigner, and the highly underrated Wishbone Ash.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 06/3/2020 @ 11:16am


Since David Fricke is on the Nom Com, here's what he once said about GFR.

"You cannot talk about rock in the 1970s without talking about Grand Funk Railroad!"

Yep, they're on his most wanted list along with the Guess Who.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 06/3/2020 @ 12:08pm


Will N.,

I'm Glad you chimes in. I recall you know a lot about Grand Funk. They are on my Fun prediction list You inspired awhile back. When I do a serious Prediction list Grand Funk Will Not be on it for 2021. There is too many other bands that need to be Nominated from the 70s era. The ones you said Bad Company, Jethro Tull, etc

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/3/2020 @ 14:03pm


I would love to see Grand Funk nominated but I don't see it in the Cards for 2021. I do think both Bad Company and Jethro Tull have a good chance getting on the ballot. As far as the 80s I see both Duran Duran and The Smiths as Noninees. As far as Heavy Metal stuff. I would Pick Motley Crue again but I guess that's Not where the Hall is at. I will pick Judas Priest. The Hall seems to be trying them. And this time I may also pick Iron Maiden. They may drop Motörhead in favor of them.

And there is ones that I pick based on what some of you guys know a lot about. Kraftwerk is an Example of that. I have never listened to Electro Rock and Techno. So I guess some of you may be on to something I don't know about. First Though I am thinking of acts up my Alley. Up my alley is Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Judas Priest among others. I will add in other genres later.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 06/3/2020 @ 20:52pm


Ben,

Kraftwerk is not one of the bands that I listen to on a regular basis, but they are fascinating to listen to in how they have infuenced artists from an extremely wide variety of genres. They, of course, were one of the originators of the Electronic genre, but their innovation influenced artists from genres as wide ranging as:

Disco/Synth-Pop - Kraftwerk's pioneering use of synthesizers was picked up by artists like Giorgio Moroder in his work with Donna Summer, as well as David Bowie in his late 70s albums. This was an influence on the bright and iconic synth-pop of the 80s, and basically all pop music since.

Post-Punk/New Wave - Bands like Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Devo, and the Talking Heads all were inspired by Kraftwerk to fuse their electronic influence with the traditional classic rock and art rock sounds to create their styles.

Hip Hop - Kraftwerk's "Trans-Europe Express" was sampled in Afrika Bambaataa's "Planet Rock" which became one of the most seminal and influential records of early hip hop.

Kraftwerk for me is not a group that I find myself wanting to listen to all the time, but their importance in the history of rock, pop, and hip hop is unquestionable. If I had to recommend a few tracks, I would choose "Trans-Europe Express", "The Model", and "The Robots"

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 06/3/2020 @ 22:30pm


Thanks Ben,
Appreciate the response. Just a couple of additional points in reference to Grand Funk and next years nomination/ induction possibilities. If you notice there seems to always be a wild card, or out of left field type pick, and I feel Thin Lizzy was last years wild card. They did well enough in the voting to warrant a re-nomination. So therefore, there should be a wild card nomination for next year. This is the only way that Grand Funk would get a nomination, but I agree with you, probably not next year, but maybe in the next 2 or 3. Grand Funk definitely has the extensive catalogue of material to merit a nomination. 13 Studio albums, not including the 3 great Live LP's, and one of the reasons they stand above a lot of bands is they do not have a lot of bad songs. Most all of their tunes are pretty damn good, and that is quite a large collection of above average albums. Being they were a trio, and Mark Farner leaving the band to pursue his Christian Rock career set them back. They are still currently performing to this day, and have had Bruce Kulick on guitar since 2001, so they are still relevant and in the mix..
Getting back to the next years nominees, and the wild card pick. You know, I would love to see Bad Company nominated, but I am not sure if I am feeling that yet. What I am feeling is a push for Motorhead for the heavy Rock, also a re- nomination for Thin Lizzy. I would love to have Judas Priest get in next year, but please do not nominate them unless they be inducted. This is like wearing out their welcome if they are not to be voted in, and maybe take a break from them instead of putting them on the proverbial treadmill. These were my feelings last year, so I moved them down, before they were nominated again.
Now KING had mentioned, watch out for Scorpions for next year's nomination, which most certainly would be a wild card type pick. KING, you know I would be all in for that nomination, so give JP a breather and mix it up a tad. Scorpions actually formed before Judas Priest in the 60's with the Schenker brothers and Klaus Meine joining together in 1970. First album "Lonesome Crow" was released in 1972, a more bluesy, Psyche rock Lp, but their 2nd release in 1974, "Fly To The Rainbow" had a couple of Metal /Rock tunes on it. "Speedy's Coming" and "Drifting Sun" , and with their next 3 LP's being very heavy hard Rock and 70's metal, they sort of paralleled their career alongside Judas Priest. They may be also a fairly appealing commercial type pick in comparable relation to JP. So KING, Why Not?.. is what I say.. Give it a shot, as Scorpions are most well deserving, and they have the mega catalogue, and are still relevant. They are credited with influencing practically all of the 80's hard rock, glam metal, and Metal bands.. Anyway, that is my take for now.. Any doubters, take the Scorpions 60 Reasons challenge listed, before making any reasonable opiniated statements, and listen to those 60 songs, then form a logical deduction. Thanks.. Ben, RU up for that? I'm just stirring it up a bit..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 06/3/2020 @ 23:17pm


Will N.,

There is no need for me to give it a challenge.You just made a great statement for Scorpions. I only know about 20 songs of Scorpions as opposed to 60. Loving You Sunday Morning is the earliest Scorps I know. I will strongly consider them for my first official 2021 predictions. I don't doubt about them at all. This is one of the reasons I read what you and the other guys say. They did indeed influence a lot of the 80s hard rock and Metal bands. I just should listen to more Scorpions stuff. It's a good tip for my predictions.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/4/2020 @ 07:26am


Thanks Ben,
I really had not considered Scorpions for next years nominees, as they would definitely be a wild card pick. But KING had mentioned that they would be a band to watch out for concerning the 2021 predictions for nominees. I sort of picked it up and ran with it, and kind of got on a roll there a little bit. Just throwing stuff out there and making comparisons, and it seems once I get going, I have quite a few points to present. Of course, a lot of us would love to see some first time nominees like Grand Funk, Scorpions, King Crimson, Procol Harum, Styx and there is a good case for Bad Company. Hopefully and more likely Jethro Tull will get a nod..

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 06/4/2020 @ 11:01am


Make no mistake, I LOVE the Scorps and have since the mid 1980s as a kid. That said, I think they might be a little too close to arena rock (in their 1980s part, anyway) to get much consideration yet. Motley Crue was handed to the RRHOF on a silver platter and a perfect storm, and the clowns that be neglected to put them on a ballot that undoubtedly would have won the fan vote and given them considerable good press. While they are trying to get the new wave pushed (something a decade overdue), they are still clinging to a few of their artistic darlings or random picks. Scorps belong, but I don't see them getting a shot for at least the next 5 years with all the deserving and not-deserving but pet project faves already backing up the list. Picking them is not a bad idea, and it would be a pleasant surprise from a personal standpoint, but I just don't see them getting a nod. The other thing that seems to work against them might be that they are still very active in the rock community, which could give the silly committee a false assumption they'll be around forever to let in...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 06/4/2020 @ 16:14pm


K- Dawg,
Great points you make on the Scorpion's chances for the near future. You really put it in a realistic perspective, and most all of you guys seem to know the inner workings of what is going on behind the curtain, whether it is logical or illogical. It is pretty cool that you provide some insight on the subjective roadblocks and hang-ups that exist within this committee, and I have picked up on some it. Which is why I had only considered Scorpions for a possible wild card nomination, so thanks for your introspective views.

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 06/4/2020 @ 21:14pm


Side note: has anyone heard from Zazu in forever? I rarely agreed with her, but she did know her stuff and always was an interesting side conversation...hope her health is okay...

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 06/5/2020 @ 04:21am


K-Dawg, haven't seen a post from her in a long time. Let me put out some bait:

REO Speedwagon completely sucks and has no redeeming value as a band!!!!

Any musician who was active in Chicago (the town) is a complete loser!!!

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 06/5/2020 @ 08:58am


The lead singer of REO Speedwagon has always reminded me of Axl Rose, for some reason. On stage...

That's not bait, that's a stone cold fact.

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 06/5/2020 @ 13:25pm


Now if you are not familiar with an artist ask for help and stop passing judgement on artist that you are clueless about.

Posted by Zuwo on Friday, 06/5/2020 @ 16:40pm


Sorry, couldn't resist.

I believe the name was "Zuzu." She might have known about the town of Chicago where she was from, but how what she knew related to the rest of the world spinning around her was what the issue was. The word is myopic.

Posted by joker on Friday, 06/5/2020 @ 16:50pm


K-Dawg,

What do you mean by that? Do they both make the same moves?

Posted by Follower on Friday, 06/5/2020 @ 17:37pm


Possible 2020 ceremony:


"We're In This Together" by NIN (good opener for a COVID 19 theme)
NINE INCH NAILS
Inducted by: Axl Rose and/or Slash? Gene Simmons? Paul Stanley?
Trent Reznor Accepts, performs with Atticus Ross and touring members.: "The Hand That Feeds," "The Day the Earth Went Away."

DEPECHE MODE
Inducted by: Lady Gaga? Pink? Gwen Stefani?
All inducted band members attend, accept.
Performances: "People Are People," "Personal Jesus," "Just Can't Get Enough"

T. REX
Inducted by: Steve Winwood? Michael Stipe? Elton John?
Bill Legend accepts, perhaps joined by surviving family of other band members.
Performance (if any) "Get It On" by Kate Bush? PJ Harvey? (or whomever), accompanied by Rock and Roll Hall of Fame orchestra.

(Which segues into...)

IN MEMORIAM:
Part one: Bob Kulick (session musician, briefly member of Kiss), Jimmy Cobb (session musician, worked with Bob Dylan, among others), Marie Fredriksson (Roxette), Peter Tork (the Monkees), Eddie Money, perhaps Kenny Rogers, remote possibility of Doris Day (and others)
Part two (R&R HoF members) Al Rex (Bill Haley's Comets), Neil Peart, Ric Ocasek, Bill Withers, others?

(Speaking of dead people...)

THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
Inducted by: Snoop Dogg? P. Diddy? Suge Knight (to end the East Coast-West Coast feud)?
Family members accept
Performance: Medley of his songs, perhaps by Usher, Lil' Wayne, Eminem, others

WHITNEY HOUSTON
Inducted by Clive Davis? Oprah Winfrey? Dionne Warwick?
Family members, perhaps including Warwick and Cissy Houston accept
Performances, by Dionne Warwick? Dolly Parton? Darlene Love? Ariana Grande? Christina Aguilera (the only one with a voice even close to the quality of Houston's)? "I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me)," "Saving All My Love For You," "I Will Always Love You."

THE DOOBIE BROTHERS
Inducted by: John Fogerty? Little Steven Van Zant? Kid Rock (who inducts everybody these days)?
Various surviving members accept
Performances: "Black Water," "What a Fool Believes," "China Grove"

FINALE (All-star jam) "Listen to the Music"

Posted by Joe on Friday, 06/5/2020 @ 17:41pm


The above was just a proposal! (I have no idea, I was just thinking from my keyboard!)

Posted by Joe on Friday, 06/5/2020 @ 17:43pm


Oops, forgot to include...

IRVING AZOFF (between Nine Inch Nails and Depeche Mode) Inducted by Don Henley? Bruno Mars? Eddie Vedder?

JON LANDAU (between Depeche Mode and T. Rex) Inducted by Bruce Springsteen? Jann Wenner?

Posted by Joe on Friday, 06/5/2020 @ 17:53pm


My money there won't be a Little Richard Tribute. Even though there should be.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 06/5/2020 @ 19:54pm


Joe,

Great predictions!

I think Brandon Flowers would do well as a T. Rex inductor or performer. Kate Bush would be lovely, but her performing live is basically a once in a blue moon event that I doubt she would make a special exception for the Hall to do.

Suge Knight inducting Biggie would be a liiiiiittle difficult to land, given that he's in prison and will be until 2037. It'll be Diddy, for sure.

The dream performers, that I'm sure the Hall is trying very hard to make happen - would be Jay-Z in the B.I.G. tribute and Beyonce in the Whitney tribute. Both were highly influenced by those artists, and if the plan is still to have a live broadcast, having big spots for the Carters would be a great way to drum up viewership.

Posted by RG on Friday, 06/5/2020 @ 21:15pm


Follower: Damn, I forgot about Little Richard. I think he will be the last of the In Memoriam, after Bill Withers. In the place of honor, as he should be.

RG: Thanks for the compliment. I didn't know about Suge Knight's incarceration (shows how valuable my opinion is), so yes, that would be a little difficult. Perhaps someone else from Tupac Shakur's posse would be willing to take up the truce.

Posted by Joe on Saturday, 06/6/2020 @ 00:36am


Was just listening to Little Richard's "The Girl Can't Help It" and me & the wife were rocking hard to it. To me, the best Little Richard song.

Posted by Paul in KY on Saturday, 06/6/2020 @ 08:51am


My predictions for 2021 are:

Nominees:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Jane's Addiction
Jay-Z
Joy Division
Los Lobos
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Thin Lizzy

Inductees:

Pat Benatar
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 06/6/2020 @ 10:35am


Richie,
I like your nominees, but I would have to include Jethro Tull, and remove Jane's Addiction. With this being said, and if your other nominees were correct, from those selections I would induct 7:

Pat Benatar
Jethro Tull
The B-52's
Jay-Z
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Thin Lizzy
New York Dolls(Wild card selection)

I also like your inclusion of Los Lobos in your nominees, a very underrated, highly talented band..

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 06/6/2020 @ 20:16pm


Richie asked for my picks for the 2021 cycle. I posted it back in February, a too early list. I haven't perused it in months, so I'll post it now and then critique it soon...again, this is an already-published list, not my current picks, per se.

(My WAY TOO EARLY predictions for the 2021 ballot. I think they will be around 20 to try to sate some of the bashing they're already taking

1. Soundgarden-The third of the Seattle sound bands has tasted the ballot, and I see them continuing until they get in.
2. Foreigner-Lou Gramm and crew seem a logical next first-time 70s nom, and they will win the hearts of the classic rock purists.
3. Kraftwerk-Again, the perennial bridesmaids will be on the ballot. I keep hoping one year their perseverance will be rewarded. The RRHOF still has a huge black eye for the Chic debacle.
4. Duran Duran -They become my favorite of all the 80s bands to not only be nominated, but to go in on their first try. With Depeche Mode finally getting over the hump, logically it makes sense.
5. Snoop Dogg-I may be the only Snoop advocate on this page, but his celebrity and huge fan base make him a big draw for the RRHOF, and he would nicely complete the West Coast pantheon with NWA and Tupac already in.
6. Pat Benatar-A victim of having way too much talent on the ballot and the voters sticking to their guns with 6 inductees, I see her as an early favorite for induction next year
7. Tina Turner-she is an acceptable candidate for the Hall as she becomes another female nominee, but again, she would be a multiple inductee, which doesn't increase the female count nor the nonwhite count of the Hall
8. Iron Maiden-I think a big shocker is Judas Priest will get a year to cool their jets and Maiden will get another crack
9. Rage Against the Machine-Tom Morello's band is definitely going to be a favorite to be on the ballot until they are inducted with his literal ties to the committee
10. Smashing Pumpkins-As I thought NIN should have gone in when they were first eligible, the same holds true for the Pumpkins. Consider this, if you want: rock band; D'arcy obviously is a woman and James Iha is nonwhite. Affirmative action easy made for the Hall.
11. Motley Crue-A slight surprise that DMB was nominated instead of them because of trends, I think Crue has a decent shot to get a crack next year, still hot off their biopic and headlining tour
12. The Guess Who-a band who should have been in years ago, I think their Canadian status probably, like Rush, has hindered their ascension. Can be considered a 60s band in some respects, and that might resonate with older voters
13. Dave Mathews Band-hard to say if they'll be back right away. If Foo Fighters get a nom, which I'm kind of going against the grain and saying they won't, DMB won't be here
14. Bad Company-another deserving 70s band, and Paul Rodgers is another icon that they need to get in while he's still alive and in good health.
15. Kate Bush -with the push in new wave and progressive sounds, the First Woman of solo new wave acts should be revisisted
16. Eurythmics-Another very talented act that could benefit from Depeche Mode's induction, and linearly similar in format to them than Duran Duran
17. Outkast-Imma shock the world and predict 2(!) rap acts on the same ballot. Likewise, I think Jay Z very well might be skipped for a year or two, but I predicted the same with Biggie, so 50/50
18. Jethro Tull-The band I was most disappointed to not see on the ballot this year, I think they will get a nod but induction gets harder every year with newer genres becoming more represented.
19. Beck-I had to throw a curveball in, and white Canadian dude who occasionally raps and is heralded as a critical darling should see his first nom
20. The Commodores-it seems like it's been a long time since a 70s funk/R&B band has been recognized. The Spinners should have been in a long time ago, and seems like they're forgotten. It's time to give Lionel Richie a crack and see if he can get some love. Apologies for my lack of knowledge, but I believe they haven't been nominated ever, amazingly.

This list will probably change drastically, but this is my knee jerk reaction right now. I welcome all thoughts and feedback)

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 06/7/2020 @ 04:10am


K-Dawg,

That's a very fine list. A case can be made for every single artist on your list. I have not made a serious prediction list for 2021. I am strongly considering lots of these. The Guess Who should have been in years ago and is great for older voters. Bad Company need to finally be nominated and inducted. Kate Bush could get a 2nd nomination. I'm not sure about this one. I'm mulling over my predictions. Duran Duran for sure. They were a huge 80s band.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 06/7/2020 @ 07:18am


Monthly update of my predictions:

Kraftwerk
RATM
Pat and Neil
Jay-Z
Bad Company
If 6: Foo Fighters
If 7: Tina Turner (Won't increase the board, but F it, good publicity isn't so bad)

New Nominees:
Duran Duran
B-52s
The Go-Gos
Big Star
Jay-Z
Bad Company
Foo Fighters
Tina Turner
Boston
B-52s
Returning:
Kraftwerk (7 noms)
New York Dolls (1 Nom)
Pat and Neil (1 Nom)
RATM (3 Noms...The TIME IS NOW THAN EVER!)
Motörhead (1 Nom)
Soundgarden (1 Nom)
John Prine (1 Nom)

Special Award:
Ashford and Simpson
Burt Bacharach and Hal David

Early Influences:
Big Mama Thornton
Carter Family

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 06/7/2020 @ 12:05pm


Plebian,

Great list of your predictions for the 2021 nominees and inductees, but you listed The B-52's twice on your nomination predictions for 2021, I think that you should remove one and replace it with another act on your nomination predictions list for next year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 06/7/2020 @ 16:26pm


KING JUNE 2020 Early Nominations And Things.
Intrigued by the latest early 2020-2021 predictions. I have been tinkering with my list. Here's a quick KING update. No particular order.
1. Soundgarden-Probably 1 of the easiest selections. 2 of the Big Seattle 4 (Nirvana and Pearl Jam) have been inducted. Chris Cornell a legend alive and in death. They will hammer Soundgarden until they are inducted.
2. Diana Ross-I have been in love with Diana Ross for a long time. She's still alive 75 or 76 now and looks and sings great. She's had several hits solo. Upside Down a KING FAV. She's also a FAV of the LGBTQ community. Maybe, 2x inductee.
3. Smashing Pumpkins-I've had SP on my list for a few years now. Maybe, they break the glass wall this year onto the ballot. Smashing Pumpkins have a diverse and impressive catalog of songs. 1979, Bullet With Butterfly Wings, Disarm, Today, and many others.
4. Foreigner
5. Procol Harum-Just a KING FAV. Influential on the Progressive Rock and made brilliant compositions. A Whiter Shade Of Pale, Conquistador, Homburg, Pandora's Box, Simple Sister and many others.
6. Judas Priest-JP now 1 of the biggest snubs although they have been nominated a few times. Influential on Metal from Rob Halford's high octave screams to the black leather outfit and twin guitar attack. My FAV JP song is Turbo Lover.
7. Rage Against The Machine
8. Tina Turner-Could be a split vote with Diana and Tina but Tina Turner is a legend who is 80 now. Time running out for a 2x induction. I like the song Private Dancer. Similar to Stevie Nicks, Tina has been influential on many later female music artists.
9. Motley Crue-They have been 1 of the FAVS at the voting kiosk. Crue next in line after Bon Jovi and Def Leppard. FAV songs: Girl Don't Go Away Mad, Kick Start My Heart, Girls, Girls, Girls, and Too Young To Fall In Love.
10. Dave Matthews Band
11. Iron Maiden-I can't keep them off despite having Judas Priest and Motley Crue already. Too influential and innovative. FAVS: Aces High, Flight Of Icarus, Run To The Hills, Wasted Years etc.
12. Duran Duran-The deck is cleared for the 1st DD nomination. An incredible amount of great songs for nearly 40 years. Hungry Like The Wolf, Planet Earth, Ordinary World, Save A Prayer, Rio, Serious, The Chauffeur, etc. Happy Birthday Nick June 8.
13. Ian Hunter/Mott The Hoople
14. Kool & The Gang. They recently were inducted in the Songwriters HOF. 50+ years they have been making quality songs. Celebration, Emergency, Misled, Jungle Boogie and many more.
15. Jay-Z
16. Pat Benatar-Many believed Pat Benatar would be inducted last year. She should return to the ballot this year as a good female Classic Rock representative. FAVS: Fire And Ice, Hit Me With Your Best Shot, Shadows Of The Night, You Better Run.
17. The Eurythmics
18. Steve Winwood-He's been around 55+ years and is living music history. Definitely deserving of a 2x nomination.
19. LL Cool J. Probably stacked against him with Jay-Z on the ballot. However, LL definitely is deserving. I like when he sang Mama Said Knock You Out. The Mic is still on fire.
20. Scorpions-The 2020-2021 a very hard rock and metal friendly ballot. So many great songs. Big City Nights, Rock You Like A Hurricane, No One Like You, Send Me An Angel, The Zoo, Wind Of Change, etc.
21. Lenny Kravitz-Lenny sneaks in for a 1st Nomination. I call it a KING Pancake 12. I think a legend or future HOF should have 12 great to outstanding songs. Lenny has that with Again, Are You Gonna Go My Way, Fly, Heaven Help, Let Love Rule, etc. What do U think FRL regulars? KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 06/7/2020 @ 18:32pm


Really enjoying reading the prediction lists that have been recently posted. Hard to believe we're only a few months away, assuming they keep with the same schedule.

I am especially curious to see if there are any significant changes to the nomination process this year. Will having a new chairperson really lead to tangible changes? Maybe fewer or greater nominees? Maybe a different way of handling older acts? This seems like a year where big changes could possibly happen. Or we might get the same old situation.

I have been following the hall for about 14 years now, and I have basically seen two major shifts in that time. The first was (thankfully) getting away from the 9 nominee/5 inductee morass that the hall followed religiously throughout most of the 2000s. The second change was the more populist bent of nominees in the past 5-6 years or so. I still remember how shocked I was when Chicago finally got nominated and inducted. That seemed like it would never happen, no matter how deserved it was.

I really hope they come up with some plan to get at least a few more 50s-60s acts in. I don't see how acts like Link Wray or The Marvellettes can possibly compete on a large, modern ballot anymore. I don't know that a separate induction ceremony is the answer, but creating some type of committee to consider acts pre-1970 would be a nice gesture.

I haven't really created any type of prediction list yet. I prefer smaller ballots (13-14 or so) if we are only going to induct around 6 acts a year. Otherwise it's just too painful. I'm especially curious about Kraftwerk. I really don't see them getting in with the type of ballots that are coming out. The voting body just will not accept them. I think most of us agree they are a top-3 snub at worst. Curious to see what happens.

Older acts I'm hoping to see include Tommy James & the Shondells, Gram Parsons, The New York Dolls and The Shangri-Las (I think they're screwed because of the singles category, and I really want to say nasty things right now so I will stop).

More recent acts I really want to see on the ballot are Soundgarden (before Dave Matthews please), Outkast, Beck and Jane's Addiction. For the acts I grew up with, hoping for Cyndi Lauper, The Eurythmics, Iron Maiden, Kate Bush and Joy Division. And for god's sake renominate Benatar.

I am also still really happy that Depeche Mode and T-Rex got in this year. Almost makes me forget that singles category...

Posted by remy10 on Sunday, 06/7/2020 @ 19:52pm


I accidentally put B-52s twice so I will put Stone Temple Pilots

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 06/7/2020 @ 20:27pm


Another 2021 prediction:

Pat Benatar: Probably came damned close last year, probably will get in this year.
Chubby Checker: Undeniably deserving, but too many are probably worried about what he would say on the stage. It would be a shame to give him a posthumous induction.
Tina Turner: The major reason her solo work has probably not been considered sooner is that she probably wouldn't come to America (from her new home in Switzerland; she relinquished her American citizenship).
Kraftwerk: Will probably be nominated again, will probably be not inducted again.
The Go-Gos: Probably the most successful all-female band (where the members played their instruments); they will eventually get in.
B-52s: Am I the only one who sees a similarity between them and Talking Heads, the Pretenders and a few others already inducted? Those who nominated them (albeit decades ago) will probably come through for the B-52s. Their popularity with the LGBT crowd won't hurt either.
Duran Duran: 1980s music is starting to be recognized, so this would probably a good start, along with:
INXS: See above.
Joe Cocker: Arguably the last major act at Woodstock not to be inducted. Yet.
Soundgarden: As remy10, above, pointed out, the Seattleites (Nirvana and Pearl Jam--but also Heart) will get them at least nominated. Sentimentality for the late Chris Cornell will help as well.
Carly Simon: I've mentioned a few women here, and the PC crowd will happily point out others, including Simon. Not that they're not all deserving--she, and they, obviously are.
Three Dog Night: Ah, why the hell not?

Posted by Joe on Monday, 06/8/2020 @ 20:23pm


I was wondering this morning:

How many non-straights are in the rock hall? It is Pride month, after all.

The non straights I can think of in the Hall: Little Richard (a self-hating non-straight), Elton John, possibly David Bowie, Freddie Mercury, Porl/Pearl Thompson, Janis Joplin, Dusty Springfield, Joan Jett, Jann Wenner, Michael Stipe, David Geffen, Brian Epstein, Billie Joe Armstrong and possibly Whitney Houston.

Am I forgetting anyone?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 06/10/2020 @ 16:41pm


The others that come to mind are Ma Rainey, Sister Rosetta Tharpe was rumored, Lou Reed, Kurt Cobain, Laura Nyro, and certainly many more that were not public knowledge.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 06/10/2020 @ 17:15pm


Also, if David Bowie counts, then maybe Mick Jagger does considering they were caught in bed together.

And Michael Jackson if you believe the allegations. (Many of them are of him with male children).

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 06/10/2020 @ 19:17pm


This is my first Serious Early predictions for 2021 Nominees.

B52s
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Cher
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Tommy James & the Shondells
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Dave Matthews Band
John Prine
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick

What do you think? This will probably change drastically. I would love to get thoughts and feedback.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 06/11/2020 @ 09:32am


Bored. Here's the number of living members from every 80's and 90's class:

1986: 2 (Jerry Lee Lewis and Don Everly)
1987: 2 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 10 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Mary Wilson, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 10 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Charlie Watts, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, Otis Williams, and Phil Spector)
1990: 15 (Tom DeVito, Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 15 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Hilton Valentine, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 23 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Calvin Simon, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 21 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Peter Green, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Lloyd Price, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 5 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Mavis Staples, and Pervis Staples)

As you can see, four classes are in single digits ('86, '87, and '99) while two have more than 20 ('97 and '98). '97 is heavily helped by Parliament-Funkadelic, The Jackson 5, and The (Young) Rascals. '98 has the help of Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, and Santana. The members of those 6 groups, for the most part, have avoided death. '99 mostly inducted soloists besides The Staple Singles.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 06/18/2020 @ 13:02pm


Very interesting, Follower! Unfortunate that those first two classes have almost entirely left us.

One correction though, Bob Dylan should be on 1988. It looks like you included him on the count but not the list. He is alive and well and releasing his 39th studio album, Rough and Rowdy Ways, tomorrow. It is getting fantastic reviews, particularly for an artist 60 years into his career.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 06/18/2020 @ 14:56pm


Hey everybody,

What are people's thoughts on 60s acts on the 2021 ballot and beyond. Is it just going to be MC5 nominated for the Next 6 years or something? There has been a bunch of chatter about 2 ceremonies. This seems to be a proposal by the new Chairman of the Hall, John Sykes. This would make things a lot easier for acts that started in 1960's. I have not read any article about this yet. But some of you seem to have read articles on this. It's getting very hard for 60s acts to get on ballots now dominated by the 1970s ,80s and 90s. Right now acts like the Marvelettes, Joe Tex, Herman's Hermits, the Searchers and even Blood,Sweat & Tears and Procol Harum seem to be between a rock and a Hard place. I love Blood,Sweat & Tears and Procol Harum. Some of you may be bored so what are your thoughts on the 60s acts?

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 06/20/2020 @ 09:23am


I really don't think the idea of having a separate ceremony for 50s/60s artists is workable. The reason the ceremonies work as well as they do is because they have a range of artists that represent different eras and appeal to different groups. Look at this year, you have acts that appeal to classic rock fans (T Rex, Doobies), 80s/90s Alternative fans (Depeche, NIN), Modern Pop/R&B fans (Whitney), and Hip Hop fans (Biggie). That makes up a pretty wide age range from Boomers to Millenials.

If you make a separate ceremony for older artists, you're really only appealing to the older fans, and you also run into other issues such as:
- Many artists are dead or old enough that they are no longer performing, so they would have to rely heavily on tribute speeches/performances.
- Pretty much all of the huge icons of the era are already in. Plenty of these artists are deserving of recognition, but a Herman's Hermits reunion and a Joe Tex tribute are not going to be the kind of draws that their more well-known and already inducted peers were.

I am in favor of two ceremonies per year, if they both were to draw from the whole timeline. Basically just double the number of nominees/inductees in each cycle, and that would solve some problems in terms of working through the backlog and allowing for more artists to break through that wouldn't under the current system.

I also think that the Veteran's Committee idea is a workable one to solve this issue. As a refresher, basically the idea is that there would be a separate committee that focuses on artists that started releasing music 50+ years prior (eligible for 25 years). They would get one automatic slot on the induction list per year, and any artist that gets 80%+ of the Veteran's Committee vote would also be placed on the normal ballot. Part of that proposal is that any artist that gets less than 10% of the Vet Committee vote would be removed from contention entirely, but I don't support that, as tastes change, and artists whose work is not well remembered can often be rediscovered long after they have been forgotten.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 06/20/2020 @ 11:16am


Maybe the second ceremony could focus on smaller, niche levels acts for all eras other than music fans in general while the other could focus on the Hall's biggest consumers; the masses whose characteristics and tastes are more casual other than certain music fans.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 06/20/2020 @ 11:33am


RG,

I see that point. There was a bunch of people entertaining the Rumor of a separate Ceremony for 50/60s acts. I'm actually Not one of them. I haven't read that. Don't get me wrong I'm looking forward to B52s, Pat Benatar, Foo Fighters and Judas Priest on the next Ballot to make a few. It just seems to be getting difficult for the 60s acts. I am only predicting Tommy James & the Shondells as a 60s act for the 2021 Ballot. This is in the Hope the switch out MC5.
Actually that idea of a Veteran's committee works Very well. And then the 1 Ceremony can Remain. Tommy James & the Shondells, Blood Sweat & Tears or Procol Harum could be nominated by that committee. I guess a Herman's Hermits Reunion is not going to be a big draw like the 60s acts already inducted like Cream and the Animals. I realize that Now. This makes sense.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 06/20/2020 @ 12:05pm


I might as well continue the living inductees series. But first, I think I'll include fractions for the previous years. top is how many are still alive, bottom is how many were inducted that year.

1986: 2/17
1987: 2/26
1988: 10/25
1989: 10/28
1990: 15/30 (simplified into 1/2!)
1991: 8/21
1992: 13/30
1993: 14/28
1994: 15/29
1995: 12/25
1996: 12/27
1997: 23/39
1998: 21/30
1999: 5/22

Someone else do the % for each of them. Please?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 06/20/2020 @ 13:02pm


Ben,

I've only read that rumor here as well, I've never been able to find a source for it. I do think that they should go a different route than MC5 this year as far as 60s acts go, I would not be disappointed at all with Tommy James being on there. I do think that there are plenty of 60s acts that deserve to be inducted, but maybe not as many as some other posters here do. I also think that as long as there is only space for 5-7 inductees a year, there should be much more focus on inducting the backlog of essential first and second tier artists from the 70s/80s/90s rather than getting every third and fourth tier influential 60s artist in.

The Dude,

That's an interesting idea, and I would be thrilled to see something like it, but I have to wonder how it would work practically. Like, where do you draw the line between what you're considering a larger commercial act and a niche act. There are plenty that may have been large commercial acts in their time but over time have become artists only known to a small niche, and vice versa. The only thing that I can think of is multiple smaller nominating committees that each focus on a single subgenre. The other thing that I would say is that this institution is the Hall of FAME. Any artist that gets in has to have some balance of critical acclaim, influence, and mainstream success. Some artists gravitate towards one side, and some to the others, but I don't think it's enough for an artist to have, for instance, a lot of critical acclaim but nobody knows who they are, or vice versa, massive chart success but are frequently held up as the worst popular music of their era. You've got to have a balance.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 06/20/2020 @ 13:02pm


I agree with all of what you said, RG. I would say that there is only really only a small portion of 50s and 60s left now, and all we really have is 70s, 80s, and 90s. Would be great to have two ceremonies, like the Oscars. They have one for Honorary and one that's the real deal. I could see them in that direction.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 06/20/2020 @ 13:24pm


RG,

You made a good point this morning that a lot of the 60s acts left are not as big a Draw. Tommy James & the Shondells is one that could give a draw and get the Votes. There is plenty of other 60s acts to consider. But I also not as many as some other posters.
There should be a focus on the backlog of Essential 70s and 80s.
Acts. Like Bad Company, Jethro Tull, B52s, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Judas Priest, Squeeze and Joe Jackson all deserve to be on a ballot and Inducted. There is a diverse bunch of acts

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 06/20/2020 @ 15:55pm


Ben,
In response to your inquiry on possibly 60's bands nominations, I am still big on The Guess Who and Steppenwolf, who's career's began in the late 60's, but were predominantly in the early 70's. Grand Funk also started in the 60's, but I am thinking you are going back a little further into the mid 60's. You know I have been on board with Tommy James and the Shondells for quite some time now. I will also have to include Joe Cocker and Ten Years After as possible noms, as they, along with Blood Sweat & Tears, that you mentioned, are some of the last notable groups who performed at the original Woodstock. I am also a fan of Peter, Paul, and Mary, who were very talented with great songs. But did they do too many covers? I don't know what hurts their chances with the critics. It seems people have stopped mentioning The Monkees, I'm OK with them. Despite their musicianship controversy, they were still a huge influence on millions of young people. I also like bands of that era like Vanilla Fudge, the Lovin' Spoonful, The Seeds, or the Fifth Dimension.. What about The Sonics? They have been mentioned before.. I do not see why they could not include one or 2 nominees per class from the 60's era.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 09:46am


Will N.,

It's cool you chime in again. Tommy James and the S is one of the oldest acts I would predict as a nominee. I see you agree with me on Blood, Sweat & Tears. I agree with you on Joe Cocker and Ten Years After. Alvin Lee is under rated. It does NOT have to be MC5 all the time for a 60s act. Lovin Spoonful I'm sure you know were Inducted in 2000. But Vanilla Fudge have Not. There is another possibility. There is a bunch of 60s acts to still consider. You said Peter, Paul & Mary and there is also Judy Collins in the area of 60s folk. They are both very talented. That's it for now

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 10:42am


Thanks Ben,
I had forgotten about Lovin' Spoonful's induction, which was quite awhile ago, 20 years.. damn. There are some other heavier bands that I like from that time period like Iron Butterfly, Blues Image, Quicksilver Messenger Service, or Blue Cheer, but they would all probably fall short of being potential nominees..

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 10:58am


I have a lot of time to kill, so here's a little project I've been working on. Here are the next ten years of First Year Eligible artists, the top ten of each year ranked by Spotify Monthly Listeners. Obviously this is a very imperfect measure for Rock Hall prediction, as it does not take into account genre, critical acclaim, one-hit wonder status, geography, or the fact that Spotify skews young. It will be interesting, though, to compare different artists' popularity on a relative basis. Anyways, here it is:

2020 (1995)
1. Jay-Z - 17.0 Million
2. Enrique Iglesias - 15.6 million
3. Backstreet Boys - 13.3 million
4. Foo Fighters - 11.2 million
5. Rammstein - 5.6 million
6. Incubus - 4.4 million
7. Lil' Kim - 3.7 million
8. Robyn - 3.6 million
9. Faith Evans - 3.3 million
10. Monica - 3.0 million

2021 (1996)
1. Eminem - 36.1 million
2. Armin van Buuren - 11.5 million
3. Nickelback - 9.2 million
4. Robbie Williams - 8.1 million
5. Spice Girls - 7.0 million
6. Limp Bizkit - 6.1 million
7. Skillet - 4.8 million
8. Fatboy Slim - 4.4 million
9. Matchbox Twenty - 4.1 million
10. Damian Marley - 3.6 million

2022 (1997)
1. Sia - 32.3 million
2. Will Smith - 10.0 million
3. P Diddy - 6.9 million
4. Missy Elliott - 6.6 million
5. Slipknot - 6.5 million
6. Smash Mouth - 6.3 million
7. Timbaland - 5.9 million
8. Third Eye Blind - 4.2 million
9. Savage Garden - 4.0 million
10. Natalie Imbruglia - 3.7 million

2023 (1998)
1. Black Eyed Peas - 36.2 million
2. Coldplay - 33.0 million
3. Luis Fonsi - 18.0 million
4. Britney Spears - 15.9 million
5. Train - 13.4 million
6. Destiny's Child - 9.9 million
7. Muse - 8.4 million
8. System of a Down - 8.4 million
9. Snow Patrol - 7.2 million
10. Idina Menzel - 6.8 million

2024 (1999)
1. Lil Wayne - 21.3 million
2. 50 Cent - 15.8 million
3. Christina Aguilera - 15.4 million
4. Jennifer Lopez - 15.1 million
5. John Mayer - 14.8 million
6. The White Stripes - 7.8 million
7. Gym Class Heroes - 5.3 million
8. Westlife - 4.9 million
9. Ja Rule - 4.6 million
10. Brad Paisley - 4.1 million

2025 (2000)
1. Pink - 20.9 million
2. Sean Paul - 18.3 million
3. Linkin Park - 17.7 million
4. Nelly - 10.7 million
5. Disturbed - 7.6 million
6. Ludacris - 7.0 million
7. Rascal Flatts - 6.9 million
8. 3 Doors Down - 6.6 million
9. A Touch of Class - 6.5 million
10. Keane - 6.0 million

2026 (2001)
1. David Guetta - 35.0 million
2. Tiesto - 22.6 million
3. Alicia Keys - 19.8 million
4. Gorillaz - 11.0 million
5. Jack Johnson - 9.7 million
6. T.I. - 8.4 million
7. Blake Shelton - 7.7 million
8. The Strokes - 7.2 million
9. Nelly Furtado - 6.8 million
10. Kaskade - 5.8 million

2027 (2002)
1. Maroon 5 - 41.9 million
2. Rihanna - 39.7 million
3. Justin Timberlake - 23.6 million
4. Fall Out Boy - 17.9 million
5. Jason Mraz - 14.9 million
6. Avril Lavigne - 12.0 million
7. Jhene Aiko - 8.7 million
8. My Chemical Romance - 7.4 million
9. Kacey Musgraves - 6.5 million
10. The Black Keys - 6.3 million

2028 (2003)
1. Beyonce - 41.9 million
2. Diplo - 36.1 million
3. Kanye West - 31.1 million
4. John Legend - 20.0 million
5. Mark Ronson - 18.5 million
6. Kelly Clarkson - 14.0 million
7. Pharrell Williams - 13.2 million
8. Kings of Leon - 9.8 million
9. Amy Winehouse - 8.6 million
10. Michael Buble - 7.6 million

2029
1. Pitbull - 21.9 million
2. The Killers - 15.4 million
3. Nick Jonas - 7.4 million
4. Zac Brown Band - 7.4 million
5. Gwen Stefani - 7.3 million
6. Sara Bareilles - 6.8 million
7. Natasha Bedingfield - 4.9 million
8. All Time Low - 4.3 million
9. Bring Me the Horizon - 4.2 million
10. Franz Ferdinand - 4.0 million

If anyone wants to know about other artists eligible within those years, I'm happy to answer.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 15:50pm


How about Ashlee Simpson?

Posted by joker on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 18:56pm


I wonder, who is the biggest albums act and the biggest singles act not in the Hall? Since every year Philip does his I-5 thing he mentions the biggest singles and albums act to get nominated. (This year, Whitney Houston was the biggest singles act, while the biggest albums act was either her from a sales perspective, or Dave Matthews Band from a chart perspective).

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 19:18pm


Joker,

Pretty low, what little music she released has aged pretty poorly. She clocks in at #39 for 2004 debuts, with 573k monthly listeners, just below Hawthorne Heights, Death From Above 1979, and Norwegian DJ Todd Terje, and just above Danger Mouse's solo non-production/Gnarls Barkley/Broken Bells career and Say Anything.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 19:39pm


RG,

Interesting, considering her first 2 albums debuted at #1. Thanks for the info.

Posted by joker on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 20:01pm


Yeah, my thought is that since her peak popularity, her Millennial fans from the mid-00s have grown out of her music, which generally isn't good or memorable enough to be nostalgic about, and Gen Z kids have no reason to know or care who Ashlee Simpson is.

Alternatively, the numbers are way off and I've just been wasting my time.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 20:13pm


"I wonder, who is the biggest albums act and the biggest singles act not in the Hall?"

Almost certain that would be Garth Brooks for albums and Mariah Carey for singles respectively. Carey is extremely likely given the precedent of Jackson and Houston but isn't as critically acclaimed as them so she might have a wait while they try Chaka Khan or Dionne Warwick or Diana Ross or somebody else first (I could see Beyonce getting in first although it would be wrong.) No chance on Brooks because they tend to exclude people from genres that predated rock & roll whether country or easy listening pop in the vein of Barbra Streisand. Brooks also didn't cross over and was critically despised except by Robert Christgau. After Willie Nelson wasn't nominated when he was expected to be, it seems clear they're stopping here with Johnny Cash, and if they're going to jump straight to Brooks over a bunch of other country singers who dabbled in rock (whether Willie Nelson or Glen Campbell or Steve Earle or whoever) it would also be wrong. The next country act to get in will probably be Taylor Swift, but not at all for her country work.

Posted by Sean on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 20:22pm


I thought those would be the answers for sales, (both are just behind The Beatles in both cases) but what about charts, the metric that put Joan Baez ahead of Journey? (Although she was barely ahead of them)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 20:26pm


I still think singles will be Carey but albums will probably be somebody who released a lot more than Brooks like Jay-Z, but he probably doesn't count as a snub yet.

Posted by Sean on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 20:29pm


Though they're not eligible yet, but there are some names who do have a really good balance of commercial success when it comes to both single and album sales like Eminem and Linkin Park to name a couple for instance.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 06/21/2020 @ 20:43pm


Will N.,

I just want to followup on your last post for 60s acts. I know all about Iron Butterfly,Quicksilver Messenger Service and Blue Cheer. But I don't know Blues Image very well. I think of them as a one hit wonder with their hit Ride Captain Ride. That was a top 10 hit in 1970. I have never heard anything else by them. It is possible their other music is a bit heavier. Do you mean them or the Blues Magoos. That's a group with a similar name.I think All of the above will probably fall short of being potential nominees. But get back to me on Blues Image. I missed the true blue heyday of FM Radio by a couple years. I recall reading that Blues Image had a few albums that caught some interest. So Let me know about Blues Image.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 06/22/2020 @ 05:58am


Ben,
I have only recently begun checking out the albums of Blues Image. They were formed in 1966 by Mike Pinera in Tampa, Fl, and then relocated to Miami in 1968, where the band helped to promote a Rock club venue called Thee Image, playing as the house band, and bringing in acts like Cream, the Grateful Dead, and Blood, Sweat and Tears. In 1969 they moved on to Los Angeles to Record their debut album, "Blues Image", and their 2nd LP, "Open" in 1970, which features the hit "Ride, Captain Ride". Mike Pinera left the band to join Iron Butterfly later in 1970, before the release of their 3rd album, "Red, White and Blues Image".
What got me reinterested in them was a cover song that Blackfoot did on their "Strikes" LP, called "Pay My Dues", and I noticed it was originally done by Blues Image, and is a great tune.. check it out.. I think what is the legacy of Blues Image is the quality of their material from especially the first 2 albums, which are great Rock with a mixture of styles and performed with creative energy and a crafty blend of talents.. I'm still checking out the first 2 LP's and have not heard the 3rd. Of course, with only 3 albums, they would not be Hall relevant, but their LP's have some critical acclaim, and are worth a listen or two..

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 06/22/2020 @ 22:59pm


Will N.,
Ok. I see. You are talking about Blue Image. I have seen album covers of theirs displayed over the years and I may have seen a Blues Image record back at the Used record shop I helped run. I surmised from that they have been played on early FM radio. I will check it out. They would not be Hall relevant but you did mention Iron Butterfly and Blue Cheer. They may be Hall relevant. In a Gadda Da Vida is certainly an anthem from the early FM era. I entertained Iron Butterfly as a nominee a couple years ago. Any of these would break up the redundance of MC5 as a pick. As far as Blues Image I think you are saying that they were an opening act for Cream, the Grateful Dead and Blood,Sweat & Tears. And BS &T are not in the Hall. B,S & T could easily be on a ballot. Anyway I can see Blues Image had some critical acclaim

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/23/2020 @ 05:53am


Now unlike the 60s there is plenty of acts of the 1970s should be on the couple Ballots. Some 70s acts that should be on either the 2021 or 2022 Ballot are Bad Company, Jethro Tull,John Prine, Carole King,the Commodores,the Spinners,Grand Funk Railroad. Those are some. What are the thoughts on some 70s acts. Some of those have been on Ballots before. Hear from ya all.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 06/26/2020 @ 05:55am


My new realistic predictions for 2021
Inducted
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Jay-Z
Soundgarden
Foreigner
Nominated
Motorhead
Foo Fighters
INXS
Kraftwerk
Dave Matthews Band
38 Special
Carole King
Oasis
Judas Priest
Buzzcocks

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Sunday, 06/28/2020 @ 17:01pm


I was trying to Raise some attention with 70s acts for Ballots of 2021 and 2022. I figured I would analyze by decade. I covered the 1960s. So Now the 70s, Unlike the 60s there is plenty of 70s acts that deserve to be nominated and many I predict. Some acts of the 70s that may be nominated in the near future are Bad Company, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, John Prine,Carole King, The Commodores,the Spinners, Grand Funk Railroad, Todd Rundgren and Diana Ross. Those are certainly some notable 70s acts that can be nominated. I also will point out again that although I am Not fan at all Kraftwerk will keep returning. The Hall seems to like representing Very Old Dance Music. They are from the 70s. Much more up my alley and also from the 70s is Mott the Hoople. They showed some love for Ian Hunter last year when he sang during the all star Jam. but it's more likely Ian Hunter will be nominated as a solo act. He has many more albums on his own. Ok Here is more extensive list of 70's artists. What do you think? I really want to know

Posted by Ben on Monday, 06/29/2020 @ 04:40am


My 25 best chances for acts to be nommed from the 1970s (This is not a list of most deserving, just ones I feel have a good chance)

1. Jethro Tull
2. Foreigner
3. Bad Company
4. Kansas
5. Boston
6. The Meters
7. The Spinners
8. The Commodores
9. Ohio Players
10. Kraftwerk
11. Diana Ross
12. LaBelle
13. Judas Priest
14. Supertramp
15. REO Speedwagon
16. Don McLean
17. Procol Harum
18. King Crimson
19. Little Feat
20. George Thorogood
21. Bachman Turner Overdrive
22. Foghat
23. Edgar Winter
24. Jimmy Buffett
25. Pointer Sisters

I don't have a comprehensive list of groups or stats right now, so this is just off the tip of my mind....thoughts are welcome

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 06/29/2020 @ 13:42pm


70s acts that I think are deserving or will get in eventually, organized by genre:

Classic Pop:
Carole King
Carpenters

Classic Folk/Singer-Songwriter:
Nick Drake
Todd Rundgren
Carly Simon
Harry Nilsson

70s R&B/Funk/Disco:
Commodores
Kool & The Gang
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Diana Ross (solo)
LaBelle and/or Patti LaBelle (solo)
The Pointer Sisters
The Spinners

Mainstream Classic Rock:
Warren Zevon
Bad Company
Supertramp
America
Foreigner
Boston

Glam/Art Rock/Proto-Punk:
New York Dolls
Slade
Sweet
Mott the Hoople

Prog:
Jethro Tull
Procol Harum
King Crimson

Hard Rock/Early Metal:
Judas Priest
Motorhead
Thin Lizzy

Punk
The Buzzcocks
The Jam
The Runaways

Post Punk/New Wave
Joy Division
Devo
The B-52's
Kate Bush

Electronic
Kraftwerk

Posted by RG on Monday, 06/29/2020 @ 14:46pm


K-Dawg, I love your list, but here's some more artists I think you should add:

Carole King
Carly Simon
Kool & the Gang
War
Emerson Lake & Palmer
Loggins & Messina

Posted by John Mangee on Monday, 06/29/2020 @ 18:58pm


I like those responses to the 70s acts. RG has a whole breakdown there. I like the R&B choices RG has there. With the rock in the 70s I am Not sure how much chance Supertramp has. Not too soon for them. If at all I see them on a Ballot until about 2028. Also although Boston were huge in the late 70s. Its mainly the Debut Boston album in 1976 that is memorable. They had a few other notable album like Don't Look Back and Third Stage. but those faded fast. There are other arena rock band that will be nominated and inducted first. The R&B picks are good. The Commodores should be on a ballot and the Spinners.should return. I happen to like some Mott the Hoople. They are a Glam rock band I know about. I own 1 album. But I think it would be Ian Hunter solo on a ballot. Mott the H only had a few albums. But Ian Hunter has a long career.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 06/29/2020 @ 19:42pm


Ben,

I agree that Supertramp is probably the most borderline of the acts on my list, they're probably the group on there that I am least confident about ever having a chance.

I think that Boston has a good chance of getting in as soon as next year. They had some huge and enduring hits, and even though they really only have one well-known album, it was one of the largest rock albums of all time. I think that they would perfectly fit into the populist 70s/80s rock act slot that Bon Jovi and Journey have filled in recent years. What arena rock acts do you think would get in before them?

I'm not sure that I agree about Mott the Hoople vs. Ian Hunter. I think that while he does have more solo albums, the band's work is better and much more well remembered. Besides Cleveland Rocks, which admittedly is basically the Hall's theme song, there's not much of Ian Hunter's solo work that's really well known these days. I think if one were to get in it would be Mott the Hoople. They would definitely play Cleveland Rocks at the ceremony though.

Posted by RG on Monday, 06/29/2020 @ 20:13pm


RG,

There is a few arena rock acts I think will get in before Boston. I think Foreigner, and Styx would get in before Boston. Also Bad Company will probably get in for sure before Boston. I define Arena Rock as the bands that filled stadiums and did both Rockers and Ballads..

As far as Mott the Hoople instead of Ian Hunter solo. I will re Think that. Mott the Hoople were more groundbreaking. So I can see you point. Mott had 2 Notable albums, All the Young Dudes and MOTT. I re think this. Ian Hunter it is true has very few memorable albums in his long SOLO career.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 07:05am


My update predictions:

Bad Company
Pat Benatar
RATM
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
The Go-Gos (Did that doc release yet?)

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton

Musical Excellence: Ashford and Simpson

Nominees:
Soundgarden (1 Nom)
Judas Priest (2 Noms)
B-52s (first time)
Big Star (first time)
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan (total of 6 noms)
New York Dolls (1 Nom)
Kraftwerk (7 Noms)
The Smiths (3 Noms)
Sweet (first time)

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 11:53am


Plebian,

The Go-Go's doc is planned to air August 1st on Showtime!

And I'm warming to the idea of Sweet popping up on the ballot. I don't think they would get in for a little while, but the nominating committee seems to be pushing for some of the long-overlooked glam acts like Roxy and T Rex. They certainly don't have as deep of a discography as those two, but Ballroom Blitz is an eternal bop, and they have some other pretty great tracks too.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 12:31pm


I think Mott the Hopple/Ian Hunter has a really chance of being nominated. Maybe we will see a 70's and 80's glam train. Bon Jovi is pretty much the catalyst of it like Rush is with prog.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 14:48pm


The Dude,

What other glam groups do you see making the cut after Roxy Music & T. Rex, and besides Mott the Hoople?

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 15:14pm


My new realistic predictions for 2021
Inducted
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Jay-Z
Soundgarden
Foreigner
Nominated
Motorhead
Foo Fighters
INXS
Kraftwerk
Dave Matthews Band
38 Special
Carole King
Oasis
Judas Priest
Buzzcocks
Any thoughts?

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 15:38pm


Maybe Slade and Sweet?

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 15:45pm


I don't see 38 Special getting a nomination anytime soon.

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 15:49pm


Greg F,
The rock hall does weird stuff sometimes. I also wanted 1 artist who was on no ones nominations.

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 16:13pm


And here is my new dream 2021 inductees and nominations
Inducted
Boston
Foreigner
Soundgarden
Commodores(It stunned me when I found out Lionel Richie was not in the hall. It feels like he was inducted 5 years ago)
Jay-Z
Nominations
Kraftwerk(I don't want them as much as other people)
Iron Maiden
Carole King
Smashing Pumpkins
Dave Matthews Band(just to appeal to their massive fanbase)
Alan Parsons Project
Foo Fighters
Warren Zevon
Devo
Bryan Adams

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 16:25pm


I am digging these responses on the 70s. I covered the 60s so hey why not the 70s. There is plenty of possible nominees for the 70s. What I do is first I think of the acts I like. But in recent years I've expanded my predictions to acts I don't like or know. Thus Kraftwerk. On my own I would not have known to predict them but some of you guys seem to dig them. Some of you guys know them well. I certainly never paid attention to them growing up in the late 70s and early 80s. But they have showed up on ballots a lot. Now I do know a bunch of both Glam Rock and Prog. Mott the Hoople is a band I know something about. They make sense as a Glam rock act after T. Rex. And with Prog Jethro Tull, Procol Harum and King Crimson are the ones most likely for Prog. I know and own a lot of Jethro Tull Albums.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 20:49pm


@ RG

If Mott the Hopple makes it, then they need to nominate New York Dolls next. As for 80's Glam, Mötley Crue are pretty much the only guys that should get in since they're considered as the pioneers of "glam metal," and I don't think Poison will ever make it.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 06/30/2020 @ 21:18pm


RG,

What do you think of Bad Company, Foreigner and Styx as getting in before Boston. Those 3 bands had extensive careers. All 3 still tour as opposed to Boston. Boston would get in after those 3. Ohh as for Bad Company. Truly the style of later Arena Rock bands. They were a Super group that had a powerful Debut on Led Zep's Swan Song. Label. Then came Straight Shooter and Run with the Pack. Desolation Angels was a big album In 1979. They broke up in 1982. They were out of the scene for Awhile. They made a comeback in 1986 without Paul Rodgers. One could call them the first Arena Rock band.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 07/1/2020 @ 08:10am


Ben,
I believe that Bad Company has the edge over the other 3 bands, then Foreigner, Boston, and Styx, which is how I would think it would play out with the Hall voters. If it were up to me, I would have Styx ahead of Foreigner, and then Boston.

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 07/1/2020 @ 10:03am


Ben,

It's hard to say for me. 70s arena rock is not a genre that I am particularly fond of, though I recognize that each of those bands were huge and important to rock history, so it's hard for me to argue against most of their eventual inclusions. Ultimately, I think that Bad Company and Boston will come first. Bad Company is a lot more rooted in blues and traditional classic rock, and would appeal to more of the traditionalists in the voting body. Boston gets some industry respect points due to their backstory and Tom Scholz' innovation in building his own equipment and inventing new recording techniques, and I think their first album holds up pretty well. Foreigner and Styx - Look, I know they were hugely popular, but they are not very critically respected at all. So much of the narrative around them is how they were the peak of cheesy, over-the-top arena rock that has not aged well. I can't say that I disagree. If I had to guess, I would say:

Bad Company - Inducted within the next five years
Boston - Inducted within the next ten years
Foreigner - Inducted within the next twenty years
Styx - Inducted after at least twenty years, if ever

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 07/1/2020 @ 10:56am


It's been a while since The Dude updated his 100 biggest-selling bands not in the hall.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 07/1/2020 @ 15:55pm


That because I'm for waiting for more certification awards from the RIAA.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 07/1/2020 @ 16:04pm


Decided to take a look at Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums and decided to see (and show you) what the highest ranking albums by non Hall of Famers are! Including their positions on the list. This is based on the 2012 version. (Note: A few albums have various artists credited to them or appearing on them so they won't be counted. I also excluded albums attributed to a band whose frontman has been inducted, such as The Wailers or The Mothers of Invention)

1. Tapestry by Carole King (In as a non performer, though) (36)
2. Forever Changes by Love (40)
3. A Love Supreme by John Coltrane (47)
4. Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band (60)
5. In The Wee Small Hours by Frank Sinatra (101)
6. Giant Steps by John Coltrane (103)
7. Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs by Derek and The Dominoes (117) (Does Clapton really need a 4th induction, though?)
8. Late Registration by Kanye West (118)
9. Moby Grape Self-Titled (124)
10. Slanted and Enchanted by Pavement (135)
11. Tim by The Replacements (137)
12. The Chronic by Dr. Dre (138)
13. Rejuvenation by The Meters (139)
14. Funeral by Arcade Fire (151)
15. The B-52's Self-titled (152)
16. Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest (153)
17. Closer by Joy Division (157)
18. Something / Anything? by Todd Rundgren (173)
19. Close to You by The Carpenters (175)
20. Red Headed Stranger by Willie Nelson (183)
21. Happy Trails by Quicksilver Messenger Service (189)
22. The Gilded Palace of Sin by the Flying Burrito Brothers (192)
23. Blues Breakers by John Mayall with Eric Clapton (195)
24. The Best of Little Walter (198; in as a Sideman, though.)
25. This Is It by The Strokes (199)
26. Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain by Pavement (212)
27. New York Dolls Self-titled (215)
28. The Queen is Dead by The Smiths (218)
29. Look-Ka Py Py by The Meters (220)
30. Loveless by My Bloody Valentine (221)
31. Doolittle by Pixies (227)
32. Paid in Full by Eric B. & Rakim (228)
33. The Ultimate Collection by Patsy Cline (235)
34. Let It Be by The Replacements (241)
35. The Marshall Mathers LP by Emenim (244)
36. The Shape of Jazz to Come by Ornette Coleman
37. Reasonable Doubt by Jay-Z (250)
38. The Blueprint by Jay-Z (252)
39. Trans-Europe Express by Kraftwerk (256)
40. Stardust by Willie Nelson (260)
41. Tracy Chapman Self-Titled (263)
42. Child is Father to the Man by Blood, Sweat and Tears (266)
43. Psychocandy by The Jesus and Mary Chain (269)
44. Dig Me Out by Sleater-Kinney (272)
45. Nightbirds by LaBelle (274)
46. The Slim Shady LP by Eminem (275)
47. My Life by Mary J. Blige (281)
48. Can't Get Enough by Barry White (283)
49. Los Angeles by X (287)
50. Kick Out The Jams by MC5 (294)
51. Meat is Murder by The Smiths (296)
52. The College Dropout by Kanye West (298)
53. Weezer (The Blue Album) by Weezer (299)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 07/2/2020 @ 00:29am


Follower,

I usually don't follow such lists(Pardon the Pun), But that is an interesting list. I see that Tapestry is #1 for Non Hall of Famers. That's why I have predicted Carole King a whole bunch of times. Forever Changes by Love and Love Supreme are near the top. This could factor into nominees. I am Not aquainted with Kanye West at all. He is a very famous name in the tabloids. I may check it out. I even know some Rock guys that took a listen to Kanye West. I see Late Registration is rather high at #8. I don't think he is eligible until about 2026. You can let me know. I am a Rock and Jazz guy. that's why I know nothing about his music. Also I guess not every 55 year Old knows Kanye W very well. That would be me. I am sure there are some older ones my age that know some Kanye W songs. Now a little further down is a Williie Nelson. album. I do own and like some Willie Nelson. Red Headed Stranger is a good album. I do Not know the whole album but several songs from it are on the Greatest Hits. Willie Nelson always seems to elude the Hall. He is about 85 so I do Not know what the Hall is waiting for. I hear that Red Headed Stranger is a key album of Willie's. There is even a Ornette Coleman album on here. I know my Jazz. The Shape of Jazz to Come was a key Jazz album around 1959.. There is one track I know well called Chronology I know well. I am a bit of a Jazz enthusiast. I have always liked Rock the most. But I do love a bunch of Jazz. This album list is rather fascinating.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/2/2020 @ 04:57am


Ben,

You should check out Kanye West if you get a chance! Despite his controversial and often atrocious public persona, he is definitely in contention for the best musical artist of the 21st century so far. Basically everything that he released from 2004-2016 is good, if not great.

A trademark of his work that you might appreciate is his tendency to use samples of classic songs from the 1960s & 70s, distorting and modifying them in very interesting ways to fit the tone of his work. Usually they are samples of classic soul & R&B artists like Nina Simone, Chaka Khan, Otis Redding, & Gil Scott-Heron, but his tastes are eclectic and samples from King Crimson, Steely Dan, Tears For Fears and others pop up here and there.

If you're interested, I would recommend you start with his first album, The College Dropout. Other highlights are Late Registration and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. If you'd rather check out individual songs, I think "All Falls Down", "Diamonds From Sierra Leone", "POWER", and "Ultralight Beam" should give you a good indication of his style and why he is so acclaimed.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 07/2/2020 @ 09:06am


Who do you guys see being the nominees for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 07/2/2020 @ 13:41pm


RG,
I am curious about the Kanye fellow because he is so Famous. Because he is so popular it occurred to Me he may NOT be Hardcore. I oppose Hardcore Rap. I do NOT mind some light Rap. OUTKAST are like that. I own 1 tune by OUTKAST. I am NOT a Rap guy. There is 1 OUTKAST tune that sounds ok. NOT Ms Jackson. Another one.
In the same way KANYE West May be like that. I didn't even know that about his samples of Classic songs. I will check it out. Put it this way I'm NO way an NWA guy.

I am curious about this future Nominee to the Hall. Rap is Not a genre I am particularly fond of. though I recognize that certain Rap acts were huge and important to music history. Kanye West seems to be one of those. He may be listenable for me.

On the other hand there is some Jazz to consider like John Coltrane and Herbie Hancock. This makes it fair.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 07/3/2020 @ 09:34am


Ben,

Yeah, if you like or appreciate OutKast there may be something for you in Kanye's work. He is much closer to their style than to NWA. I know that you don't really like much hip-hop but try to keep an open mind, there is plenty of great music out there that is not what you would normally be drawn to.

Posted by RG on Friday, 07/3/2020 @ 10:17am


RG,

Exactly. Some people I only like Rock of the 1960s and 70s. Not true. I love that the most. The music I grew up with. And I like a lot of 80s Rock. But I do have an Open mind. I am a liberal rock guy. I like a decent amount of R&B 1965-1989. But hey other things pop up here and there. I listened to Erica Badu and BoyzII Men with great success in the 90s. I don't love them like Eric Clapton,Allman Brothers B, Grateful Dead, etc, etc but those are OK. I don't know that Kanye has any stuff in the Mellow R&b style. But if it's similar to Outkast I can live with that. BTW I think Outkast will get their shot as a nominee. But I think Jay-Z will be nominated for 2021. I like Outkast much better than Jay-Z But is bigger. Oh I know 2 songs from Jay-Z. There you go I just covered R&B and Rap.

I will now go back to listening to Jazz and lots of Old Rock like an Eric Clapton or Steely Dan or something like that. Us Liberal Rock guys we venture out of our zone sometimes.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/4/2020 @ 05:05am


Hey Guys,

With the Boxing, Baseball, Tennis, Horse Racing and Pro Football Halls of Fame all moving their induction ceremonies to next year combining their 2020 induction classes along with their 2021 induction classes, Do you guys think that the Rock Hall could follow suit and move their induction ceremony to Spring 2021 in Cleveland combining the 2020 induction class (Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails, The Notorious B.I.G., T. Rex, Irving Azoff and Jon Landau), along with the 2021 induction class?. I think that could happen, I think that HBO and The Rock Hall Foundation could make the induction ceremony into a two-night event next year inducting the 2020 and 2021 classes together in Cleveland.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 07/4/2020 @ 17:46pm


Yeah, given where things are I think it's unlikely that we will be in a place where 3 hour long stadium concerts filled with older people are feasible by November. Hopefully they would double up in the spring to make up for it and spread it over two nights.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 07/4/2020 @ 18:23pm


I don't necessarily think that's gonna happen. BUT...here's what I DO think will happen:

The R&RHOF Class of 2020 will be inducted in November, as now scheduled. However, starting next year, the Rock Hall will start having 2 induction class ceremonies per year. It's either John Sykes or Greg Harris (or possibly both) that wants this to happen, and I think there's strong support for this to happen. It's a great way to clean up the backlog of worthy inductees who are still waiting their turn.

That's my take. But please feel free to tell me what you think.

Posted by John Mangee on Saturday, 07/4/2020 @ 18:29pm


It's up in the air, and depends heavily on whether or not they are planning to have an audience. As far as award shows this year go, the VMAs are still planned to happen with very limited or no audience, and the Emmys are almost certainly going to follow suit. I work in theatre and live events, and basically every planned event that needs to have a large audience is not expected to return before January 2021, and that's assuming that state governments take measures to curb the spread again. If they can go without much of an audience, it will happen in November, but if they want an audience at capacity, it will absolutely be delayed again.

Basically, wear your masks if you want the ceremony to happen any time soon.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 07/4/2020 @ 19:08pm


Aha Alright,

There it is again. a post about the rumor of 2 ceremonies. Last week on 6/20 I mentioned there has been a bunch of chatter of 2 ceremonies. I have never read an article about this.
This seems to be a proposal by the new Chairman of the Hall, John Sykes. I said this would make things a lot easier for acts that started in 1960's. I have not read any article about this yet. Have any of you read articles on this. It's getting very hard for 60s acts to get on ballots now dominated by the 1970s ,80s and 90s. So my question what would the 2 ceremonies really be like.
It has been suggested here on the site to just double the number of nominees/inductees in each cycle, and that would solve some problems in terms of working out the backlog and allowing for more artists to break through that wouldn't under the current way. Can someone like RG comment? I had suggested that this would make it a lot easier of the 60s acts. But maybe instead separating eras it could be some other idea for the content of the 2 ceremonies. Respond as soon as you can

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/5/2020 @ 05:33am


Haha I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion recently. Until someone comes through with a source for where this rumor started, I'm just going to assume that it started here and mistakenly got attributed to John Sykes as part of our endless game of telephone.

Like I've said before, if there were two ceremonies I think the best option would be just to have two classes of inductees per year, regardless of any criteria. This would make it easier for worthy artists that haven't been getting voted in because there are only so many slots per year (50s/60s artists, artists from a broader range of genres). The problem with splitting it up by time period (I.e. one ceremony for 1955-1975 and one for 1976-1996) is that it would inevitably be very unbalanced. There are still plenty of huge, culturally important artists from 1976-1996 that haven't had a chance at induction, but for the previous two decades the acts still outstanding are primarily deep cuts, since the majority of the major players are already in. That's just my take though.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 07/5/2020 @ 08:37am


RG,

If there are 2 Ceremonies my humble new suggestion would be 1 CEREMONY of Huge primes acts from different eras and 1 of deeper acts from different eras Soo the first Ceremony for 2021 can have acts like Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran Foo Fighters,Jay-Z, and Soundgarden. The 2nd Ceremony can have perhaps B52s, the Guess Who, Tommy James & the Shondells, Judas Priest,Motley Crue and John Prine. There you go. Both ceremonies with acts of Different eras. Please respond when able

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/5/2020 @ 09:14am


Ben,

I think there is some merit to that idea, but there are several questions that would have to be answered in order to make it work. For instance:

Where, specifically, is the line drawn between a major act and a minor act?

Who makes this decision?

Is there a quantifiable criteria that makes an artist a major act vs. a minor one - i.e. sales numbers, chart success?

If not, is it subjective and up to the nominating committee?

If it is subjective and up to the nominating committee, how do you ensure that there are a variety of different perspectives being input into that decision? (if the nominating committee is mostly composed of white male music industry executives in their 60s, you're likely to see a lot more traditional classic rock put into the major category while other genres are relegated to the minor tier.)

How does this system account for genre? (Most metal fans would certainly consider Judas Priest and Motley Crue to be "major"-tier bands, but fans of other genres might not)

Let me know what you think!

Posted by RG on Sunday, 07/5/2020 @ 11:10am


RG,

I will rephrase that. Maybe not major and Minor acts actually. But acts that keep getting snubbed. B52s, Judas Priest and Motley Crue are big snubs. Crue got totally snubbed last year for sure. B52s too. I will NOT call it PRIME and deep. But 1st Ceremony is ones that have good shot. The other for big snubs. Soo using my example the 2nd Ceremony can be for instance B52s, the Guess Who, Tommy James and the S, Judas Priest, Motley Crue and John Prine. They can also be considered Major BUT those are having a hard time. They have been snubbed one way or another. This way alll acts are Major. But these have been snubbed badly. Respond again please.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/5/2020 @ 14:35pm


Yeah, I can get behind that idea! I think the best way to accomplish that would be if for one ceremony, the ballot would be entirely composed of first time nominees, and the other would have a ballot composed of acts that have been nominated before. The usual ballot (and induction class) is roughly about half first timers and half returning noms, so this would not be that hard to accomplish. There are roughly 40 or so artists that have been nominated and not inducted, with that number growing every year, so there wouldn't be a danger of running out.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 07/5/2020 @ 17:08pm


So like if this were a thing last year, the Returning Nominee ballot would be something like:
Depeche Mode (Actual Inductee)
Devo
John Prine
Judas Priest (Actual Nominee)
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk (Actual Nominee)
LL Cool J
MC5 (Actual Nominee)
New York Dolls
Nine Inch Nails (Actual Inductee)
Procol Harum
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus ft Chaka Khan (Actual Nominee)
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Todd Rundgren (Actual Nominee)

And the First Timers Ballot would be something like:
The B-52's
Commodores
Dave Matthews Band (Actual Nominee)
The Doobie Brothers (Actual Inductee)
Harry Nilsson
Iron Maiden
Joy Division
Kool & The Gang
Motorhead (Actual Nominee)
Notorious BIG (Actual Inductee)
OutKast
Pat Benatar (Actual Nominee)
Soundgarden (Actual Nominee)
T. Rex (Actual Inductee)
Thin Lizzy (Actual Nominee)
Whitney Houston (Actual Inductee)

Posted by RG on Sunday, 07/5/2020 @ 17:34pm


RG,

Close enough we agree. I thought of the second ceremony having B52s,the Guess Who,Tommy James and the S and Motley Crue because they have been snubbed a lot by not even getting nominated. Your idea is close to mine. But my new idea does cover a few eras, A little 60s and a bunch of 70s and 80s. Judas Priest and Motley Crue would be big draws in my 2nd Ceremony scenario. But 1 ceremony for first time nominees and 1 for acts that have been nominated. before is good. But the fact is this 2 ceremony thing is just a Big rumor. I can't find anything concrete online. Soo I will just go with the usual kind of predictions unless I hear otherwise. There is a good chance that this rumor started here.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/5/2020 @ 19:47pm


The most recent cancellation Is another reason why we need two ceremonies yearly.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 07/8/2020 @ 10:57am


"While we might not be able to rock out together in 2020, we are excited to announce that in the Fall of 2021, the Induction Ceremony returns to Cleveland for a live concert and celebration. More details about the 2021 Ceremony, and Induction Week will be provided at a later date."

Oof, I guess this means we won't be seeing a new nominee slate until next summer? Happy waiting, folks.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 07/8/2020 @ 11:16am



There's going to be an exclusive special about the 2020 inductees that will air on HBO and HBO Max on Saturday, November 7 in place of the annual Induction Ceremony, It will feature acceptance speeches, interviews with inductees and artists by whom they've influenced, archival content and more, Also, The Nominating Committee will meet in Early 2021 instead of September and Timing for the Fan Vote will adjust accordingly with the Nominating Committee meeting shortly after the new year, and the Annual Induction Ceremony will be moving to the Fall starting in 2021 and will be back in Cleveland next year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 07/8/2020 @ 11:28am


Figured I'd continue my living/dead inductees thing. Now we're in the 2000's! Once I get to 2010 I'll just list the dead ones, with the exception of 2012 because of the numerous backing groups being mostly dead. For now, here are the living members of every class from the 00's!

2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 10/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2007: 17/19 (Everyone but Cowboy and Estelle Bennett are alive.)
2008: 7/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Don Wilson, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 13 or 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson. It is unknown if Glouster "Nat" Rogers is alive or dead.)

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 07/8/2020 @ 11:44am


OHH. man,. That stinks. Now wasn't the Original plan to have the actual 2020 Induction Ceremony on NOV 7? And now it's changed to an Exclusive Special. In April I am rather sure the Hall announced the Regular 2020 Ceremony Live would be Nov 7. But schedules have been constantly changing for events due to PANDEMIC.
An Exclusive special is under the circumstances. I'm just asking. What the Pandemic postponement was? This year an Exclusive special on HBO makes sense. With the Speeches, interviews ,archival content makes sense. Performances may be problematic . Unless each Inductee performs from Their Home.

As for 2021.Ceremony and beyond I see now that the Annual Induction Ceremony will be moving to the Fall. It looks like Maybe a new Nominee slate is about 5 months later than before . A nominee list could be in March instead of the usual September. But the Inductee list for 2021 will not be announced until Next summer. It's still Happy waiting folks. I will hold off on any Revised lists of 2021 predictions .Thats it for Now

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 07/8/2020 @ 13:26pm


Ben,

The changing plans make sense. The original postponement was because they knew this Spring would not be safe to hold a ceremony, but they were hoping that it would be safe by Fall. With the new wave of cases across the country, it is now clear that it will not be safe to hold large concerts by November.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 07/8/2020 @ 13:49pm


Whom ever they choose to speak about each of the 2020 inductees on the HBO 2020 Rock Hall inductees special should be counted and listed as the presenter on each of the inductees FRL page.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 07/8/2020 @ 16:31pm


Ben,

Troy L. Smith said on Twitter that the 2021 Rock Hall ballot will be released before the end of this year, but that the ceremony has been moved to the Fall starting in 2021 and will be back in Cleveland in the Fall of next year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 07/8/2020 @ 16:34pm


Richie,

Very interesting. It may well be that we end up with a similar timeline to this year, but with nominations announced this winter, inductees announced in spring, and then a long wait for the 2021 ceremony in the Fall. And then for 2022 onwards, they would settle on the opposite schedule of what we used to have - April nominations, July inductees, October ceremony.

I also think that if they're planning on releasing nominations before the end of the year, it might make sense to announce them as part of the HBO "ceremony" broadcast in November.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 07/8/2020 @ 17:00pm


R they gonna have presenters for the 2020 class even though its cancelled

Posted by Chris on Thursday, 07/9/2020 @ 03:22am


Chris,

Seems like it. I imagine the prerecorded special will take a similar format of:

1. Reel summarizing the artists history and influence, with interviews and performances
2. Speech by someone close to the band (influenced, influenced by, or knew them well)
3. An acceptance speech by the artist or someone speaking on their behalf
4. A full performance (likely archival and not newly recorded given the format and the fact that most of this class is dead)

Posted by RG on Thursday, 07/9/2020 @ 10:55am


RG,

They can have performances that are archival. This will benefit Whitney Houston, Notorious BIG and T. Rex. But also the living acts like the Doobie Brothers don't have to perform at one of their Homes or something.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/9/2020 @ 11:31am


RG.,

In light of the info it's harder to predict who will be or considered the Presenters. And I suppose we could predict the order for the acts. The Exclusive Special about the 2020 Inductees is equivalent to a Ceremony. What your thoughts on predicting. It kind of throws a twist into predicting how this 2020 ceremony equivalent will go. The tradition here is to predict the Presenters and the order of the acts. I guess we could. Not sure.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/9/2020 @ 19:15pm


RG,

So is it worth it to predict how the Special will go as far as Presenters and the Order of the acts. Performances will be archival so we wouldn't be able to predict what songs each act will perform. I know songs well from Doobie Brothers,Whitney Houston and T. Rex. Depeche Mode,and Nine Inch Nails. Neither of those was ever my bag. Not really at all. But it won't matter what songs are played by each act since it will more likely be Old concert footage. This saves on tributes being set up although tributes are always Nice. Give me your thoughts. I would like to predict Presenters at least if possible

Posted by Ben on Friday, 07/10/2020 @ 05:18am


https://chartmasters.org/most-streamed-artists-ever-on-spotify/

List of the most streamed bands on Spotify who are not in the Hall.

"Numbers are continuously updated as you search for them. As soon as new daily data is in for an artist, this will be reflected in this overall ranking.

As the Spotify database is tricky, we can't guarantee you there won't be occasional data glitches, even if we developed several controls to grant data consistency. If an issue appears in spite of these controls, manual fixes will be performed."

Coldplay- 13,899,269,996
Imagine Dragons- 13,574,994,807
Maroon 5- 12,904,957,425
Twenty-One Pilots- 9,170,880,967
Linkin Park- 8,276,373,028
Panic! At The Disco- 6,333,551,033
Arctic Monkeys- 6,192,111,213
OneRepublic- 5,981,148,340
Fall Out Boy- 5,877,915,191
5 Seconds of Summer- 4,922,139,573
Mumford & Sons- 3,899,049,674
blink-182- 3,708,033,328
Foo Fighters- 3,680,703,367
The Killers- 3,635,861,245
The 1975- 3,568,061,329
Muse- 3,532,980,421
Gorillaz- 3,519,146,775
System Of A Down- 3,329,657,200
Florence + The Machine- 3,179,026,703
Florida Georgia Line- 3,140,263,306
Paramore- 3,110,764,461
Oasis- 3,103,043,612
Five Finger Death Punch- 3,082,143,667
Slipknot- 3,036,992,225
The Lumineers- 3,005,616,012
Nickelback- 2,910,559,638
Tame Impala- 2,760,819,705
Disturbed- 2,754,185,838
My Chemical Romance- 2,633,908,444
Rammstein- 2,626,315,602
Three Days Grace- 2,420,212,254
Avenged Sevenfold- 2,397,905,109
Bring Me The Horizon- 2,298,943,266
The Offspring- 2,257,295,042
Foster The People- 2,251,127,249
Train- 2,243,229,694
Bon Iver- 2,203,480,621
The Strokes- 2,153,861,246
The Black Keys- 2,150,183,568
Dan + Shay- 2,138,298,109
Rise Against- 2,074,514,938
Sum 41- 2,013,138,993
Zac Brown Band- 1,980,408,836
Iron Maiden- 1,907,320,189
Skillet- 1,904,744,706
Papa Roach- 1,859,711,519
Cage The Elephant- 1,829,620,270
Volbeat- 1,766,911,953
Korn- 1,765,807,918
Breaking Benjamin- 1,763,988,640
Weezer- 1,750,978,940
The Fray- 1,724,101,524
A Day To Remember- 1,610,441,815
Portugal. The Man- 1,591,120,949
Hollywood Undead- 1,586,361,218
Sublime- 1,538,891,156
Rage Against The Machine- 1,533,693,911
The White Stripes- 1,524,830,941
The Smiths- 1,515,846,167
Limp Bizkit- 1,488,038,621
All Time Low- 1,470,761,493
The Cranberries- 1,438,203,712
Vampire Weekend- 1,426,129,391
Thirty Seconds To Mars- 1,415,388,036
Evanescence- 1,414,197,943
3 Doors Down- 1,409,777,015
MGMT- 1,385,423,856
Rascal Flatts- 1,357,319,660
Queens of the Stone Age- 1,349,486,265
Sabaton- 1,343,568,534
Incubus- 1,313,461,998
CHVRCHES- 1,307,479,375
fun- 1,303,486,629
Scorpions- 1,266,863,818
The Smashing Pumpkins- 1,262,815,848
Owl City- 1,261,761,595
Arcade Fire- 1,237,697,340
The National- 1,236,016,358
Old Dominion- 1,203,548,469
The Goo Goo Dolls- 1,190,007,472
Lady A- 1,179,567,259
Bullet For My Valentine- 1,162,674,014
Mötley Crüe- 1,094,042,226
Alice In Chains- 1,084,472,738
Seether- 1,082,862,044
Simple Plan- 1,076,424,709
Audioslave- 1,075,330,122
a-ha- 1,059,888,867
Sade- 1,057,596,811

Lots of future eligbles who are part of the billion club.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 07/10/2020 @ 11:06am


RG,

I will be bold I will predict somebody to speak for the Doobie.Brothers. Steve Miller would be a good choice. I think the 2 bands Toured together several times. But Steve Miller May hate the Hall too much to be In the special that will air. Then it could be Don Henley. He has Been a presenter for a couple of acts in the Hall. He gets along with the Hall. There I started with 1 prediction. Maybe you can predict somebody for some of the other inductees

Posted by Ben on Friday, 07/10/2020 @ 11:58am


RG,

I am using the Doobie Brothers as a starting point for predicting somebody to speak for a group in the Exclusive special. I am thinking Don Henley. I can't think of any contemporary to speak or be a presenter for the Doobie Brothers. I am only choosing Doobie Brothers for the Intro prediction. It's the act this year I know the most about. Many of their albums like the Captain and Me,Stampede and to small extent, Taking it to the Streets. This album,the group's first album with Michael McDonald marked a shift to a more mellow and self-consciously soulful sound for the Doobies, not all that different from what happened to Steely Dan -- but since Donald Fagen may also not want to do an intro. I go with Don Henley.
I would love to hear your thoughts on Whitney Houston, Notorious BIG and T Rex. Let me know what you think. I am trying to move ahead and make the best of the Exclusive Special. Hear from Ya.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/11/2020 @ 04:40am


Ben,

Don Henley seems like a good bet for the Doobies.

Notorious BIG - The presenter will almost certainly be Sean Combs/P Diddy/Puff Daddy/whatever he's going by now. Combs was Biggie's producer and close friend, and even wrote the hit song "I'll Be Missing You" in tribute to him after his death. Jay-Z would also be a good option if they can get him, the two went to high school together and came up at the same time. I feel like they may end up doing some kind of prerecorded tribute performances from artists homes, in which case I would hope that Diddy would be the presenter and Jay-Z one of the performers.

Whitney Houston - This prediction is a little more difficult because you can pretty reasonably make a case for basically every popular female R&B/pop singer of the last 30 years. She's just that influential. Just to throw a few names out there - Dionne Warwick (her cousin). Brandy. Monica. Alicia Keys. Mariah Carey. Jennifer Hudson. Kelly Rowland. BEYONCE. The dream would be to have Jay-Z involved in the BIG tribute and Beyonce involved in the Whitney tribute in some way.

T Rex - I think that Brandon Flowers, the lead singer of The Killers, would be a good inductor for T Rex. Or for Depeche Mode, in fact, he is inspired by both. He inducted The Cars a few years ago.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 07/11/2020 @ 09:08am


Lmao accidentally put your name in the name slot in my last post. Its me, RG.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 07/11/2020 @ 09:31am


Ben, I'd add Bobby Brown to that list for inducting Whitney Houston. He lost both his wife and daughter tragically, and I think he'd see it as a fitting tribute to honor Whitney. His own life, tattered as it is, might find some redemption as well. Let's not forget for a minute he was probably the biggest and hottest solo male act in the late 80s...

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 07/11/2020 @ 14:07pm


Who do you guys see being the nominees for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 07/11/2020 @ 19:29pm


I think maybe these could possibly be the nominees.

Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
Kraftwerk
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Judas Priest
Mariah Carey
B-52s
The Go-Go's
Todd Rundgren
The Meters
The Commodores
Motorhead
X
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Bad Company
Jethro Tull

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 07/11/2020 @ 19:53pm


Who do you guys see being the 2021 inductee class?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 07/11/2020 @ 20:01pm


I don't know it depends on who the nominees are. I can't predict inductees until the nominees list comes out. However if my prediction list were the real ballot. I could see these artists as potential inductees.

Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
B-52s
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Kraftwerk

If 6: Judas Priest
If 7: Bad Company

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 07/11/2020 @ 21:27pm


My official predictions for 2021 are:

Nominees:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Jane's Addiction
Jay-Z
Joy Division
Los Lobos
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Thin Lizzy

Inductees (I think that they'll do seven inductees next year just like they did in 2019):

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 07/11/2020 @ 22:33pm


Richie stole my predictions.

Posted by Zack F on Saturday, 07/11/2020 @ 22:46pm


Zack F,

Thank You for the compliment, I really love your prediction list for the 2021 nominees, so I really wanted to make my prediction list for the 2021 nominees just like yours, Have a great night.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 07/11/2020 @ 22:55pm


KING 2020 Nominees July 12, 2020 A Quick 20.
1. Scorpions
2. Duran Duran
3. Procol Harum
4. Soundgarden
5. Diana Ross
6. Judas Priest
7. Gram/Emmylou
8. Midnight Oil
9. Kool & The Gang
10. Megadeth
11. The Eurythmics
12. Bad Company
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. Dave Matthews Band
15. Mariah Carey
16. Iron Maiden
17. Jay-Z
18. The Offspring
19. Ian Hunter/Mott The Hoople
20. Bryan Adams
KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 07/12/2020 @ 00:03am


RG,

Good quick response. Yeah I know the Doobie Brothers Well. SO I am able to go with Don Henley. T. Rex is the other act I know a bit about this year. Brandon Flowers seems good and likely. After he inducted the Cars a couple years ago he seems likely to Induct/Introduce another act. I know the Killers but just a little.

Notorious BIG seems likely to be inducted by Puff Daddy. I don't know him too much. I am a Rock guy Not a Rap fan. but even I know Puff Daddy was his producer and good friend.

Whitney Houston has a lot of possible Presenters. There is Dionne Warwick, Brandy and Beyonce to choose. Everyone knows Beyonce. I think thats the most likely to introduce Whitney Houston. But another possibility is Janelle Monae. She inducted Janet J last year. But it's probably Beyonce. I needed your feedback with BIG, T. Rex and Whitney Houston presenters. You have a lot more knowledge of those 3. I only know Juicy from BIG. He is a bit hardcore for me. You helped out my memory. I don't keep up with BIG and Whitney. Although I know some Whitney pretty well. She is very influential. Hey do you want to take a stab at Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails. I know really little about those 2. It's probably more appropriate for you to predict and elaborate and predict Presenters on Depeche M and NIN too.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/12/2020 @ 05:01am


Depeche Mode -
Influences that could induct them: Brian Eno, Bryan Ferry, Iggy Pop, David Byrne
Similar artists that could induct them: Gary Numan, Annie Lennox, Roland Orzabal (Tears for Fears), Bono
Later artists that could induct them: Matt Bellamy (Muse), Brandon Flowers, Will Butler

Nine Inch Nails -
Influences: Robert Smith (bring it full circle from Trent inducting The Cure), Mark Mothersbaugh
Similar: Tom Morello, Zach de la Rocha
Later: Josh Homme (QOTSA), Mike Shinoda (Linkin Park), Serj Tankian (System of a Down)

Posted by RG on Sunday, 07/12/2020 @ 08:59am


RG,

I think that Nine Inch Nails could be inducted by by the singer of Queens of the Stone Age. I own 1 song I think by Queens of the Stone Age also known as QOTSA. I think he used some electronic music. I know veryy little by Nine Inch Nails. But you know them welll it seems. I know about their sound. And I saw the Head Like a Hole video back in 1991 on MTV. But I didn't like it. Sorry. They are an act for you to discuss.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 07/13/2020 @ 04:00am


RG,

I have 2 questions. First did you used to be Darin RG. There was a regular named DarinRG. You may have shortened your name on here to RG. Either you are him or you don't know who that is. This has been a mystery allll year. Now Darin RG focused a lot on acts like The Cure,Depeche Mode, Joy Division,The Smiths, others like that and also Kraftwerk I think. Is that you or Not at All.

Other question. can you elaborate on Depeche Mode. I don't even like them But I am curious who you leans towards as a presenter. .You have vast knowledge of them. I was Not a big New wave fan at all in the 80s. I was Classic Rock and the New Hard Rock/Heavy Metal at the time like Def Lep, Twisted Sister. You can fill in the gaps I do Not know about. I only know the name Depeche Mode well. Not the music. I recall maybe one song. If you are Formerly Darin RG you are a big fan of Depeche Mode. You are NOT and a big fan.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 07/14/2020 @ 05:32am


Ben,

Nope, DarinRG and I are not the same person, but I have seen him post here since I started frequenting this site. It's a coincidence, I use RG because they are my initials. I do, however, like all of those acts.

I'm sure that I am among the youngest of the regulars on this site, the main genres that I tend to know a lot about are like 2000s-present indie rock & pop, pop punk, New Wave, and hip hop, but I am constantly trying to broaden my musical horizons and this site has helped me out with that very much.

Depeche Mode - first of all, I highly highly highly recommend this band, they are one of my favorites of the new wave/80s alternative scene and I'm very glad that they're finally being inducted. If you want to hear their three biggest, most well-known songs, check out Personal Jesus, Enjoy the Silence, and Just Can't Get Enough. These are the ones they would likely have played at the ceremony if it had happened normally.

As far as presenters go, I would lean towards either:

Brian Eno - Depeche Mode's biggest influences were artists like David Bowie, Kraftwerk, and Roxy Music. Eno would be able to talk about how they took the fusion of rock and synth-pop pioneered by artists in the 70s, and used it to become one of the biggest bands of the 80s, moving from a bright synth-pop act in their early days to becoming a critically acclaimed, harder edged alt rock band by the end of the 80s, inspiring the likes of Nine Inch Nails and other 90s alternative bands.

OR

Matt Bellamy - The frontman of Muse. Muse's work is absolutely covered with Depeche Mode influence, but with more prog rock elements. He could speak very well on how they influenced his work.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 07/14/2020 @ 08:01am


If you look at the list of bands that were nominated the most of all time then you will see why the nominations for (ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME) are a joke. This years list has very little to do with rock n roll. In fact if you look at the inductees in the hall as a whole there is probably less than 50% rock and rollers in the hall. That is a travesty when there are so many bands not in that are all rock n roll and don't even get a mention. Boston, Styx, REO Speedwagon, Ted Nugent etc still pack arenas nearly 50 years after they started out. What is wrong with this picture? Change the name if you don't want rock and rollers in the hall. It's not rocket science. Rock and Roll Lives Matter too.

Posted by ron on Tuesday, 07/14/2020 @ 15:45pm


@ Ron

Okay, gramps. Another day, another old man yelling at a cloud.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/14/2020 @ 16:19pm


Yeah, I'm sure the Hall is going to listen to a guy extolling the virtues of pedophile nutjob Ted Nugent while mocking the largest civil rights movement of the last several decades.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 07/14/2020 @ 18:22pm


Boston (except for the first album), Pedo Nugent, and esp. Stynx and RIM Chuckwagon DON'T MATTER musically!!! #keepthemout #loserrockbands

Posted by MR. XFL on Tuesday, 07/14/2020 @ 18:38pm


Me and Ron are whiny enough to get rape by members from Boston, Styx, REO Speedwagon, and even Ted Nugent because we're pussies. I'm a snowflake and Ron is a white fragile. Bang us hard, Teddy!

Posted by MR. XFL on Tuesday, 07/14/2020 @ 19:32pm


You guys do realize political correctness and modern standards are not part of the Hall's criteria, right? There are inductees who were pedos at one point including David Bowie, Jimmy Page, Jerry Lee Lewis, Anthony Kiedis, and Steve Tyler.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/14/2020 @ 19:40pm


RG.

Yeah I know that tune Just Can't Get Enough. I am 55 I lived life a lot during the whole 80s. But I was NOT a big new wave guy. Duran Duran is one of the few I like of that kind. Ahh but I would highly recommend Twisted Sister. Now that was an 80s scene I followed. Check out We're Not Gonna Take it and I Wanna Rock. I look forward to them being Inducted someday. BUT probably Motley Crue would go first for the Heavy Metal genre.
Any way the point is you already know Depeche Mode and others In the new wave / 80s alternative scene. You know certain genres better than me. Thanks for the boost. People here are experts of different genres. That's why I asked.

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 07/14/2020 @ 19:43pm


Yes, The Dude, I know that there is no morality clause for induction. There would be very few artists in the Hall otherwise. I am aware of almost all of those artists histories, as much as I would love to be able to ignore many of them. I also think that it is much easier to separate the art from the artist in some of the other cases, due to their historic and innovative careers that have nothing to do with their views or actions. Nugent does not have that kind of historic career, and his music and public persona are pretty inextricably linked to his insane views and the things that he has done. Even if he weren't a nutjob, though, I don't think he has a Hall-worthy career.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 07/14/2020 @ 20:30pm


RG,

That is absolutely right. Ted Nugent is Just NOT Hall worthy. He is known mainly for Strangleholld and Cat Scratch Fever. And maybe one album Free for All. There is MUCH better and historic Hard Rock acts. to be inducted.such as Foreigner

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 07/14/2020 @ 22:18pm


RG,

Just 1 or 2 more things on Depeche Mode for acknowledgement. I mean I guess I can appreciate Depeche Mode,But I don't own anything by them . Definitely not my cup of tea. I know both Just can't Get enough and People are People. I heard them around 1984. Yes I know Just Can't Get Enough is 1982. Since I didn't know them I heard it in 1984. It was on a local New wave station in NEW York. But every genre gets its recognition.

I do NOT know what that guy Ron is talking about . He doesn't either. I am into most of the Classic Rock but I am diverse. My fav artists are The Who, Eric. Clapton , Grateful D, Moody Blues,etc. But I also love some Earth, Wind & Fire, Bill Withers, Nina Simone, Roxy Music, Whitney Houston, a little , B52s and Tina Turner. Not just rock nRoll. I wanted to say that. Yeah B52s are kind of Rock but a different kind. NOT the kind this Ron talks about. I don't even think BOSTON and REO should get in anytime soon. Respond soon. Later

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 07/15/2020 @ 09:03am


I go away for a few days and some old hippie headbanger starts throwing out crass accusations and being an old hippie headbanger...Ted Nugent has his bright spots; Stranglehold really is one of the best songs to zone out to ever made. That said, he is not a rocker worthy of the RRHOF, mainly because he's like Billy Squier, Ronnie James Dio, etc. Good rockers who are fairly vanilla compared to everything else. They get their run from being staples of terrestrial classic rock stations. I would argue his best work came before and after his solo career, IE the Amboy Dukes and especially the Damn Yankees. While I have limited knowledge on the Amboy Dukes, he's arguably the THIRD best person in the Damn Yankees. That is not a knock to the group at all, but Tommy Shaw literally broke out of Styx's sleepy elevator camp and proved he was truly a rocker. Jack Blades, likewise, while he is great with Night Ranger, really put his stamp on this band as well. Ted Nugent does what he should do best here--jam on his guitar and act goofy. He is best seen and not heard, because he is cuckoo for cocoa puffs. If the Damn Yankees put together a solid career through the 90s beyond just their first 2 great albums, and we are talking HOF shoo-ins. Which would be well deserved for the artists, since the bands they came from probably will never cross that threshold

Just some thoughts here..from a different perspective...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 07/16/2020 @ 00:48am


I just want to say a couple more things about the rant of this Ron guy. In his world Michael Jackson. I am NOT a big fan but Hey is one of the biggest Music stars of all time. I admit I prefer my Fleetwood Mac and Steely Dan to him but diversity is cool and important to have. I admit this year's list has very little to do with Rock n'Roll. Ok That's true. The only 2 acts you can call Rock n'Roll are the Doobie Brothers and T Rex. Those are my fav acts this year. I love Rock n'Roll. But hey Whitney Houston has a killer voice with huge hits that were worldwide.And Depeche Mode although not my cup of tea at all deserves to be in because of their intense popularity. I heard the name in College every day. back in the 1980s. I can appreciate their success. But, I don't own anything by them. Synth pop though was very prevelant during the 80s. despite my listening. A similar thing can be said for Nine Inch Nails. They sort of represent the industrial sound of the 90s
And by the way Ted Nugent is just a rocker that had some Rock Radio hits. And then went on to kill lots of Animals. He also is a huge supporter of the President Donald with the Orange hair. Worst President of all time. But that's a whole other topic. David Crosby said even if you ignore his current politics Tender Ted is just not that good. I like Billy Squier but he is not worthy either without knowing his politics. I can get behind Styx. They may be deserved but Not right Now. Styx I see as an induction around 2031 NOT 2021.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 07/16/2020 @ 04:12am


Ronnie James Dio SHOULD have been inducted as a member of Black Sabbath, and was NOT a 'vanilla rocker', esp.compared to the stale likes of Chicago (thanks, David Fister), The Moldy Blahs, Bon Phoni, Gene Pitney, and lip-syncher (at the Super Bowl) Whitney Houston...

Posted by EDS on Thursday, 07/16/2020 @ 08:30am


Me so mad Chicago, Whitney Houston, the Moody Blues, and Bon Jovi are In the Hall of Fame because I'm not manly and mature as them. I'm wimpy enough for Jon Bon Jovi to bang me in the ass.

#I'mapussywhoisbornwithoutapenisandwon'tgrowup

Posted by EDS on Thursday, 07/16/2020 @ 09:23am


Rock purists are the worst.....

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 07/16/2020 @ 15:10pm


I think the only comments more entertaining than the rock purists are the rock purists that think that the Rock Hall runs this site or even reads it, DEMANDING to let Styx or whoever in or else they will BOYCOTT the #HallOfShame and never go to Cleveland again.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 07/16/2020 @ 20:56pm


I wonder what a riot would look at the Hall If they made an idiotic business decision by rigging the kiosk and fan ballot again. Even the consumers are radical enough to cause destruction.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 07/16/2020 @ 21:25pm


I literally read some guy once thought that Mountain should go in.

Mississippi Queen is a great song and I'm sure they have some other good stuff. They belong in the RRHOF like Luis Sojo belongs in the baseball hall of fame...

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 07/16/2020 @ 23:28pm


Who do you guys see being the nominees for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 07/16/2020 @ 23:32pm


RG.

As for me I love Rock but I am not a Rock purist. I think Michael Jackson is perfect in the Hall as he is. One of most major stars of all time. Hey I did series on Past classes. I acknowledged everybody I like and feel deserved in the Hall. Some of you caught that. I included Public Enemy as a major innovative Rap group even though I am a Rock guy. One could actually say that Linda Ronstadt and Cat Stevens are not really in the rock purist definition of the Hall. Nice mellow acts. I love those 2 acts there.Bill Withers deserves to be in the Hall for sure. I am not sure what took so long. He was finally inducted in 2015. So this year is simply extra diverse with Depeche Mode, Whitney H. and Nine Inch Nails. I think acts like Cher, John Prine, Tina Turner,Dionne Warwick and the Commodores all deserve to be inducted. Now there's diversity

Posted by Ben on Friday, 07/17/2020 @ 04:52am


Dio should get the Kenny Laguna treatment.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 07/17/2020 @ 13:00pm


RG, Plebian, & others,

Who do you guys see being the nominees/inductees for 2021?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 07/17/2020 @ 22:53pm


Richie,

I'm pretty sure the nominees will be:

Styx
Freddie Mercury (solo)
Captain & Tennille
Starship
Sugar Ray
Pat Boone
Vanilla Ice
Toto
Christopher Cross
Cannibal Corpse
Rockwell
Kid Rock
Allman & Woman
& Dave Matthews Band

I am certain that this list will happen, and will not take questions or criticisms.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 07/18/2020 @ 12:46pm


I've answered your question Richie. I made a prediction list already and I don't know who would be inductees.

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 07/18/2020 @ 13:52pm


Richie,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner (solo)
10. Foo Fighters
11. John Prine
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Motörhead
14. Joy Division/New Order
15. Dave Matthews Band
16. Thin Lizzy
17. Eurythmics
18. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
19. MC5
20. Beck
21. Jay Z
22. Weezer
23. Phish
24. Cher
25. The Go-Gos
26. Soundgarden
27. Judas Priest

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 07/18/2020 @ 17:12pm


RG,

Did you see my list of predictions fro 2021? I am re posting my list 2021 here with Updates.I also am thinking a few of the previous nominees will return. After what many presume to be the near miss of Pat Benatar she will return. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Also I think Kool & the Gang may get a nomination.They were kind of innovative and have explored many musical styles throughout their history, including jazz, soul, funk, rock, and pop music. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) list of the 2021 nominees:

Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Cher
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Tommy James & the Shondells
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kool & the Gang
Kraftwerk
Dave Matthews Band
Megadeth
Mott the Hoople
John Prine
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
Tina Turner
Steve Winwood

What are your thoughts on my List. it's mostly the same from a few weeks ago. Let me know what you think. I would love to know.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 07/19/2020 @ 04:15am


Ben,

We have quite a bit of overlap in our prediction lists.

Artists that I fully agree will be on the ballot this year:
Pat Benatar
Cher
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
Tommy James & The Shondells
Jay-Z
Kraftwerk
John Prine
Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
Soundgarden

50/50:
Bad Company - I have Boston on my prediction, but I suppose Bad Company is just as, if not more likely.
Jethro Tull - They don't always have Prog representation on the ballot, but if they do I expect Jethro Tull to show up.
Judas Priest - They are on my list, but I could see them taking a break again.
Kool & The Gang - I would be thrilled to see them on the ballot, and I think it could happen.
Dave Matthews Band - I think the Hall screwed themselves over last year by putting them on the ballot way too soon. They (in my and many other's opinion) don't have the credentials to get in this quickly, but they also have a massive army of fans that will treat them as the biggest snub of all time now that they have been nominated.
Mott the Hoople - I'm warming up to the idea of them on the ballot this year, taking the Roxy/T Rex slot.
Tina Turner - Clearly should be in as a solo artist, but I'm sure there are some on the committee who have the mindset of "well, she's already in with Ike, so do we really need to?". If the Hall is serious about trying to get better about female and POC representation, Tina should be first on their list.

Less Likely:
Iron Maiden - It could happen, but probably only if Judas Priest is not on the ballot.
Megadeth - I just don't think the Hall is there yet when it comes to metal. Metallica is in because they have had a lot of crossover success, and early metal bands are in because they are more linked to classic rock, but I think that if Priest and Maiden are only just now being considered, it's going to be a while before Megadeth has any real chance.
Steve Winwood - I would be surprised.

The other artists that I have on my prediction are The Go-Go's, Husker Du (there's often an unexpected wild card that gets thrown in - think Bad Brains or Los Lobos showing up on the ballot in recent years), Rage Against the Machine, and Thin Lizzy

Posted by RG on Sunday, 07/19/2020 @ 10:40am


RG,

Since your predictions for the 2021 nominees are Pat Benatar, Boston, Cher, Duran Duran, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Husker Du, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jay-Z, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, John Prine, Rage Against The Machine, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Soundgarden and Thin Lizzy, Which ones do you see being inducted?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 07/19/2020 @ 11:00am


Richie,

I am more confident about:
Boston (though I am starting to reconsider this pick for nomination/induction in favor of Bad Company, based on Ben's arguments)
Cher
Duran Duran
Jay-Z

And then some combination of the following depending on how many inductees there are:
Foo Fighters
Tommy James & The Shondells
Pat Benatar
Rage Against the Machine

Posted by RG on Sunday, 07/19/2020 @ 11:44am


KING THOUGHTS July 2020 RRHOF Nominees.
Quick Look Hard Rock/Metal.
1. Iron Maiden
2. Judas Priest
3. Megadeth
4. Motley Crue
5. Scorpions.
These 5 jump out and I think all deserving to be inducted. They won't put all 5 on 1 ballot. Judas Priest in the lead with a couple of nominations. Iron Maiden continues to be a Top 5 in the kiosk. Should be nominated and inducted. Megadeth interests me for several reasons. Megadeth and Metallica battled for several years to be Top Dog with Metallica Black album tipping the scales in their favor. Metallica has been inducted 10 years now. It should be Megadeth's time. Dave Mustaine a legend has battled cancer. I think when this happens people realize how important a person and their discography music is in their life. Megadeth also has their share of critical acclaim and commercial success. Mustaine also wasn't afraid to sing about topics. I remember my sister and I listening to Peace Sells But Who's Buying. 1986-1987 time frame. We both agreed this band Megadeth had a bright future.
To Motley Crue. With Bon Jovi and Def Leppard inducted, Motley Crue logically would be the next one up. They had the commercial success and influenced many later bands. Songs like Girls...Girls...Girls...Home Sweet Home, Shout At The Devil, Too Young To Fall In Love showed the Crue's talent and 1 of the popular 80's groups. The Crue has a signature sound. It appears the Crue's youthful antics and controversial things are keeping them out.
Moving to the Scorpions. They deserve Induction for several reasons. Scorpions had some epic songs. Rock You Like A Hurricane is a song you hear everywhere from baseball or football games to the local music shops to small birthday parties. Wind Of Change is another incredible song as many remember the collapse of the Berlin Wall and Soviet Union also moving towards a democratic nation. Scorpions have the commercial success in records sold and enough Classic songs in their catalog. It also can't be easy to be from 1960's Germany and then sing the songs in English. Remember when the Scorpions arrived on the scene, groups didn't have MTV or other shows now to showcase their talents. Most of the time it was word of mouth, constant touring, and hopefully having a hit song to get you noticed. Scorpions also influenced later European metal bands.
FRL Regulars. I was curious how you would rank these 5 bands on your favorite to least favorite. Also, which do you think has the best chance at Induction and who might have to wait longer? Hot day today. KING has to order some cookies and cream. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 07/19/2020 @ 15:35pm


KING THOUGHTS July 2020 RRHOF Nominees.
Quick Look Hard Rock/Metal.
1. Iron Maiden
2. Judas Priest
3. Megadeth
4. Motley Crue
5. Scorpions.
These 5 jump out and I think all deserving to be inducted. They won't put all 5 on 1 ballot. Judas Priest in the lead with a couple of nominations. Iron Maiden continues to be a Top 5 in the kiosk. Should be nominated and inducted. Megadeth interests me for several reasons. Megadeth and Metallica battled for several years to be Top Dog with Metallica Black album tipping the scales in their favor. Metallica has been inducted 10 years now. It should be Megadeth's time. Dave Mustaine a legend has battled cancer. I think when this happens people realize how important a person and their discography music is in their life. Megadeth also has their share of critical acclaim and commercial success. Mustaine also wasn't afraid to sing about topics. I remember my sister and I listening to Peace Sells But Who's Buying. 1986-1987 time frame. We both agreed this band Megadeth had a bright future.
To Motley Crue. With Bon Jovi and Def Leppard inducted, Motley Crue logically would be the next one up. They had the commercial success and influenced many later bands. Songs like Girls...Girls...Girls...Home Sweet Home, Shout At The Devil, Too Young To Fall In Love showed the Crue's talent and 1 of the popular 80's groups. The Crue has a signature sound. It appears the Crue's youthful antics and controversial things are keeping them out.
Moving to the Scorpions. They deserve Induction for several reasons. Scorpions had some epic songs. Rock You Like A Hurricane is a song you hear everywhere from baseball or football games to the local music shops to small birthday parties. Wind Of Change is another incredible song as many remember the collapse of the Berlin Wall and Soviet Union also moving towards a democratic nation. Scorpions have the commercial success in records sold and enough Classic songs in their catalog. It also can't be easy to be from 1960's Germany and then sing the songs in English. Remember when the Scorpions arrived on the scene, groups didn't have MTV or other shows now to showcase their talents. Most of the time it was word of mouth, constant touring, and hopefully having a hit song to get you noticed. Scorpions also influenced later European metal bands.
FRL Regulars. I was curious how you would rank these 5 bands on your favorite to least favorite. Also, which do you think has the best chance at Induction and who might have to wait longer? Hot day today. KING has to order some cookies and cream. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 07/19/2020 @ 15:36pm


Here's a July 2020 Quick 20 KING Nominees for the 2021 Rock & Roll HOF.
1. Megadeth
2. Diana Ross
3. Rage Against The Machine
4. Procol Harum
5. Judas Priest
6. The Offspring
7. Soundgarden
8. Pat Benatar
9. Kool & The Gang
10. Duran Duran
11. LL Cool J
12. Scorpions
13. The Go-Go's
14. Lenny Kravitz
15. The Eurythmics
16. Bad Company
17. Jay-Z
18. Bryan Adams
19. Midnight Oil
20. Iron Maiden
KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 07/19/2020 @ 17:30pm


KING,

A personal ranking of my favorites would be...
1. Judas Priest (by a nose)
2. Scorpions
3. Iron Maiden
4. Megadeth
5. Motley Crue

For me there is a gap between 3 and 4, and another gap between 4 and 5.

As far as deserving of the hall of fame, I think the top four all should have been in years ago. My ranking for the hall:
1. Iron Maiden (again by a nose)
2. Judas Priest
3. Megadeth
4. Scorpions

Although I personally love Scorpions I would have to rank them as lower than the other three. I really have a hard time getting behind Motley Crue, at least before these other names.

Posted by remy10 on Sunday, 07/19/2020 @ 19:06pm


KING,

A personal ranking of my favorites would be...
1. Judas Priest (by a nose)
2. Scorpions
3. Iron Maiden
4. Megadeth
5. Motley Crue

For me there is a gap between 3 and 4, and another gap between 4 and 5.

As far as deserving of the hall of fame, I think the top four all should have been in years ago. My ranking for the hall:
1. Iron Maiden (again by a nose)
2. Judas Priest
3. Megadeth
4. Scorpions

Although I personally love Scorpions I would have to rank them as lower than the other three. I really have a hard time getting behind Motley Crue, at least before these other names.

Posted by remy10 on Sunday, 07/19/2020 @ 19:06pm


KING,
If I did a Top 10 on Hard Rock/ Metal Favorites not yet inducted, it would be slightly different than my Hard Rock Metal rankings, but my favorites including the bands you mentioned would be:

Favorites Hard Rock/ Metal-
1. Blue Oyster Cult
2. Judas Priest
3. Scorpions
4. Thin Lizzy
5. Iron Maiden
6. Megadeth
7. Rainbow
8. Motorhead
9. Budgie
10. Motley Crue

I may have omitted a few bands between 9 and 10 that may otherwise play into my favorites, but wanted to include the Crue, since they were mentioned, even though I do not consider them to be very talented..
My more official Rankings of Top 10 Hard Rock/ Metal artists to be inducted would be more like:

1. Judas Priest
2. Thin Lizzy
3. Scorpions
4. Iron Maiden
5. Motorhead
6. Megadeth
7. Motley Crue
8. Blue Oyster Cult
9. Rainbow
10. Slayer

These choices would by in no means align with what the Hall or voting committee would probably come up with. But are more in line with my personal deserving rankings, and listed favorites..

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 07/19/2020 @ 23:15pm


Hi FRL, sorry that I don't post here that often like I used to years ago, but can you please promote my blog posts of analyzing the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's class that I just started.

Thank you.

https://the-avocado.org/2020/07/20/breaking-down-the-walls-of-the-rock-hall-class-of-2020/

Posted by John R.C. on Monday, 07/20/2020 @ 16:38pm


Hey FRL Regulars,

I could see any of the following artists appear on the 2021 ballot alongside Foo Fighters and Jay-Z and they are:

Previously Nominated:

Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan/Rufus With Chaka Khan
Devo
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Jane's Addiction
Judas Priest
Carole King
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
MC5
The Meters
Motorhead
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Thin Lizzy
War

Previously Considered:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Joe Cocker
The Commodores
Iron Maiden
Tommy James & The Shondells
Jethro Tull
The Monkees
Pixies
Sonic Youth
Tina Turner
Barry White

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 07/20/2020 @ 19:03pm


Mid July Update

Pat and Neil
RATM
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
*Insert Classic Rock bait here*
B-52s

Nominees:
Kraftwerk
Rufus w/Chaka Khan
Motörhead
Soundgarden
Big Star
New York Dolls
The Go-Gos
John Prine
DMB

Musical Excellence:
Ashford and Simpson
Clive Davis

Early Influence:
Big Mama Thornton

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 00:26am


Clive Davis is already a Rock Hall inductee

Posted by EDS on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 03:12am


Plebian,

You have The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z and Rage Against The Machine as your current predictions for the 2021 inductees and Big Star, Dave Matthews Band, The Go-Go's, Kraftwerk, Motorhead, New York Dolls, John Prine, Rufus With Chaka Khan and Soundgarden as ones that you think will get nominated for the 2021 class, but What's your Insert Classic Rock bait pick on your list of current predictions for the 2021 inductees besides The B-52's, Pat Benatar, Foo Fighters, Jay-Z and Rage Against The Machine?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 11:00am


Something Classic Rock Ritchie IDK, we usually get at least one every year
2016-Steve Miller, Cheap Trick, Chicago
2017-Journey
2018-Bon Jovi
2020-Doobie Bros
2021-Bad Company probably maybe Boston or worse Styx

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 13:08pm


What about Foreigner? I think they deserve some consideration for 2021.

Posted by John Mangee on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 14:06pm


Once Boston, Mötley Crue, Foreigner, and Bad Company are inducted in the next few years or so, the Rock Hall will either be on a shortage or out of classic rock giants from the 70's and 80's.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 14:54pm


Here's a list of 70's and 80's classic rock snubs from the biggest to smallest when it comes to exposures.

Most exposed names: Acts the masses care about the most

Boston
Motley Crue
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Ozzy Osboure (Solo)
Phil Collins (solo)

The Middle

Jethro Tull
Iron Maiden
Scorpions
Peter Frampton
Judas Priest
Ronnie James Dio
Blue Oyster Cult
Robert Plant (Solo)

The Least Exposed: Niche-level bands

Thin Lizzy
Motorhead
Slade
Sweet
Mott the Hopple/Ian Hunter
King Crimson
Saxon
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Todd Rundgren
The Runaways
UFO
Hawkwind

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 15:24pm


Continuing my living members count, now for the 2010's! Since most of them are alive I'll just list the dead members:

2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2012: 30 or 31/70 (In this case, I'll list the living ones: Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Joey Ambrose, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Norman Thrasher, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, all seven members in Guns N Roses, every Chili Pepper other than Hillel Slovak [7 members], Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, and Glyn Johns. It is unknown if Charles Sutton is alive or dead.)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 20/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 15:53pm


Replace Clive Davis with Burt Bacharach and Hal David.

Also I assume the Rock Hall will mostly repeat as the virus took major impact on the 2020 ceremony:

Also The Dude, you watch Jojo's Bizarre Adventure right? I'm into it and wow the music references are insane! Love it! Also pretty cool that 1/3 of the references are already in the Hall.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 18:23pm


@ Plebia

Yeah, I'm into that anime series, and I was shocked there are a lot of music references, especially the inductees. Oh, I've even noticed Hotter Than Hell (both the song and album) by Kiss is referenced in Fairy Tail.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 19:41pm


I was looking at Dave Matthews Band page and I noticed someone said they are a strictly American phenomenon. Could that be said of any other fan vote winner? Obviously Rush and Def Leppard aren't American, but I think Stevie Ray Vaughn or Chicago might count, but I don't know how big they are outside of America.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 21:53pm


From a rockist point of view, all of the actual fan ballot winners made it simply because they're "pure" classic rock acts. One of the reasons the Hall made a bad and idiotic business move by rigging it simply because DMB is not from the 70's and 80's. Like it or not, the 90's are now considered as classic rock. The 2000's will join the timeline in the next few years or so.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/21/2020 @ 22:43pm


Hi Follower, maybe I as the resident Dutchman can shine a light on it. The Dave Matthews Band is not wellknown in Europe at all. In The Netherlands, "The Space Between" got some airplay on the radio and MTV Europe around 2000, but that was it. I can say with quite some certainty that most Europeans have no idea who Dave Matthews is, even the people my age (I was born in the early 1980s).

I'd say that of the fan vote winners, only Bon Jovi is more famous worldwide than Chicago. "If You Leave Me Now" was a #1 hit in many countries around the world. Kiss and Def Leppard also have multiple international hits. SRV is as famous as a blues guitarist can be. I would say Journey and Rush are probably the bands that come closest to being North-American phenomena. It's not that they are not wellknown in Europe (Don't Stop Believin'!), but they are not nearly as popular here as they are in the US and Canada.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 07/22/2020 @ 18:12pm


The_Claw,

Thank you for your information! It's nice to see that the fan vote winners other than DMB have international success. That's another strike against their induction. Next time anyone whines about Bon Jovi being in the hall we can bring up their international fame.

Rush and Def Leppard are Canadian and British, respectively, so I wasn't really including them since they obviously have fame in their own home countries in addition to America.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 07/22/2020 @ 19:11pm


International appeal is part of the equation, but I think that there are more important things that set DMB apart from the other fan vote winners. The Hall is, after all, a primarily American institution. I think the biggest differences - and reasons that they did not get inducted - are their relative recency, being a 90s/00s group rather than a group from the prime classic rock era, and their cult status. Bands like KISS and Journey, while not the most critically loved groups, are extremely widely known and listened to among the general public, and have very wide appeal. It stands to reason that both the general public and voting body would have enough fans to get them inducted/winning the fan vote. DMB, on the other hand, has a much more narrow but extremely devoted fanbase, that can organize and mobilize en masse for events like the Fan Vote. However, that appeal is not even across a wide public spectrum. It makes a lot of sense that the extremely motivated group of Dave Matthews Band fans would push them to a victory in the fan vote, while that level of passion is not reflected in the voting body. No "rigging" about it.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 07/22/2020 @ 21:00pm


RG,

This is an interesting Topic with Dave Matthews Band. You make some good points. I agree that one of the big reasons that they did Not get inducted is their era is the 1990s and 2000s rather than the Prime Classic Rock era and their Cult status. Bands like Kiss, Stevie. Ray Vaughan and Journey have wide appeal. DMB On the other hand has a much more narrow Fan base. They have masses for the Fan Vote but not as much in the Voting Body. That's why they lost out last year. There is not enough Love for then in the voting Body.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 07/22/2020 @ 21:38pm


I could see any one of the following acts appear on the 2021 ballot alongside Foo Fighters and Jay-Z and they are:

Previously Nominated:

Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Chaka Khan/Rufus With Chaka Khan
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
The J. Geils Band
Jane's Addiction
Judas Priest
Carole King
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
Los Lobos
The Marvelettes
MC5
The Meters
New York Dolls
Gram Parsons
John Prine
Procol Harum
Rage Against The Machine
The Replacements
Todd Rundgren
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Sting
Thin Lizzy
War
Mary Wells
Steve Winwood

Previously Considered:

The B-52's
Bad Company
Black Flag
Joe Cocker
The Commodores
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Iron Maiden
Tommy James & The Shondells
Jethro Tull
The Monkees
Pixies
Gil Scott-Heron
Sonic Youth
Tina Turner
Barry White

I personally feel that all of the acts that I mentioned that have either been previously nominated or previously considered are the acts that are the most likely to appear on the 2021 ballot besides Foo Fighters and Jay-Z.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 07/22/2020 @ 22:33pm


The DMB fans are not narrow. They're actually more diverse than ya think. Do ya really think all of them are jam rock fans?Others do came from different backgrounds genre wise such as folk, alternative, adult contemporary, and funk. You also have a lot of casual listeners who do love those guys. One commenter on this site stated that they're popular outside of North America.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 07/23/2020 @ 07:49am


The Dude,

Diversity and genre background is not really the point I am trying to make, I know Dave Matthews fans are not a homogeneous stereotype. It's more about cult status. The level of fan organization and engagement is a lot higher for DMB than for most other bands. Of course they have casual fans, but the ratio of casual to hardcore fans is more weighted towards hardcore for them. It is easy to win the fan vote with a huge number of casual fans, and it is also easy to win the fan vote with a large number of hardcore fans and a smaller number of casual fans, due to the fact that the hardcore fans are more likely to care and vote. However, if that proportion of highly motivated hardcore fans isn't reflected in the voting body of the Hall, it means that the results are likely to be different.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 07/23/2020 @ 08:29am


Who do you guys see being the 2021 nominations?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 07/24/2020 @ 20:01pm


With a reason not to take acid having died peacefully in his sleep, the class of 1998 now has 20/30, or 2/3, of its members alive. (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Lloyd Price, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 07/26/2020 @ 17:29pm


Who do you guys see being the 2021 nominations?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 07/26/2020 @ 19:39pm


Why will Styx never be inducted in the R&R Hall of fame? Yes, Mr. Roboto was a bust but prior to that is golden.

Posted by Becky Batta on Monday, 07/27/2020 @ 23:14pm


Here's an updated list of the most certified bands in America who are not in the Hall with the inclusion of albums, EP's video albums, singles (both standard and digital), video singles, and ringtones.

1. Maroon 5- 122.5 Million
2. Linkin Park- 63.6 Million
3. Florida Georgia Line- 56 Million
4. Twenty One Pilots- 49.5 Million
5. Alabama- 46.8 Million
6. Foreigner- 45.5 Million
7. The Dixie Chicks- 40.8 Million
8. Panic! At the Disco- 38 Million
9. Coldplay- 36.6 Million
10. Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million
11. Rascal Flatts- 33.7 Million
12. Fall Out Boy- 33 Million
13. Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million
14. Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million
15. Boston- 31 Million
16. Imagine Dragons- 30 Million
17. The Carpenters- 29.6 Million
18. Lady Antebellum- 28.55 Million
19. Nickelback- 27.8 Million
20. Motley Crue- 26.8 Million
21. REO Speedwagon- 26 Million
22. Creed- 26 Million
23. 3 Doors Down- 25. 8 Million
24. Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million
25. OneRepublic- 24 Million
26. Sade- 23.5 Million
27. Kansas- 23 Million
28. Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million
29. The Fray- 22.5 Million
30. Paramore- 22 Million
31. Fun- 22 Million
32. Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million
33. Daughtry- 20 Million
34. Three Days Grace- 20 Million
35. Dan + Shay- 19 Million
36. The Monkees- 18 Million
37. Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million
38. Styx- 17.5 Million
39. Korn- 17.25 Million
40. Limp Bizkit- 17 Million
41. Bad Company- 16.650 Million
42. Shinedown - 16.550 Million
43. Disturbed- 16.5 Million
44. Casting Crowns- 16.5 Million
45. Sugarland- 16 Million
46. INXS- 16 Million
47. Wings- 16 Million
48. Poison- 15.750 Million
49. No Doubt- 15.6 Million
50. Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million
51. Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million
52. The Offspring- 15 Million
53. The Cranberries- 15 Million
54. Breaking Benjamin- 15 Million
55. The Band Perry- 14.5 Million
56. Evanescence- 14.5 Million
57. Duran Duran- 14 Million
58. Toto- 14 Million
59. Skillet- 14 Million
60. My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million
61. Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million
62. Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million
63. Counting Crows- 13 Million
64. Whitesnake- 12.650 Million
65. The Killers- 12.6 Million
66. MercyMe- 12.6 Million
67. The Jonas Bros- 12.56 Million
68. Survivor- 12.5 Million
69. Blink 182- 12.1 Million
70. Live- 12 Million
71. Little Big Town- 11.5 Million
72. Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million
73. Savage Garden- 11.5 Million
74. Judas Priest- 11.1 Million
75. Scorpions- 11.1 Million
76. All American Rejects- 11.1 Million
77. Loverboy- 11 Million
78. Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million
79. Owl City- 11 Million
80. Three Dog Night- 11 Million
81. X Ambassadors- 11 Million
82. Old Dominion- 11 Million
83. Godsmack- 10.6 Million
84. Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million
85. 38 Special- 10.5 Million
86. Florence and the Machine- 10.5 Million
87. Bush- 10.5 Million
88. Muse- 10.5 Million
89. Men at Work- 10.5 Million
90. The Black Keys- 10.5 Million
91. Slipknot- 10.2 Million
92. Staind- 10.050 Million
93. Sublime- 10 Million
94. Clean Bandit- 10 Million
95. Air Supply- 9.5 Million
96. Foster the People- 9.5 Million
97. 5 Seconds of Summer- 9.5 Million
98. Tool- 9.3 Million
99. Rage Against the Machine- 9.3 Million
100. Goo Goo Dolls- 9.1 Million

Under the top 100.

System of A Down- 9 Million
Soundgarden- 9 Million
Ratt- 9 Million
Bread- 9 Million
The Neighbourhood- 9 Million
Lonestar- 8.5 Million
Bastille- 8.5 Million
Gym Class Heros- 8.5 Million
Smash Mouth- 8.5 Million
Skid Row- 8.1 Million
Weezer- 8.050 Million
Oasis- 8 Million
Hinder- 8 Million
America- 8 Million
Collective Soul- 8 Million
Plain White T's- 8 Million
Of Monster & Men- 8 Million
10,000 Maniacs- 8 Million
The Eli Young Band- 8 Million
Megadeth- 7.950 Million
Iron Maiden- 7.9 Million
The Black Crows- 7.6 Million
311- 7.750 Million
Blood, Sweat & Tears- 7.5 Million
B-52's- 7.5 Million
Third Eye Blind- 7.5 Million
Awolnation- 7.5 Million
Jefferson Starship- 7.5 Milllion
Supertramp- 7.5 Million
Kool & the Gang- 7.5 Million
Pantera- 7.350 Million
Big & Rich- 7 Million
Quiet Riot- 7 Million
Eurythmics- 7 Million
Cinderella- 7 Million
The Bangles- 6.55 Million
Chevlle- 6.5 Million
Theory Of A Deadman- 6.5 Million
Cultrue Club- 6.5 Million
Telsa- 6.5 Million
Incubus- 6.5 Million
Snow Patrol- 6.5 Million
The Oasis- 6.5 Million
Tears for Fears- 6.5 Million
War- 6.5 Million
Good Charlotte- 6.5 Million
The Lumineers- 6.5 Million
Bon Iver- 6 Million
Seether - 6 Million
Queensrÿche- 6 Million
Foghat- 6 Milllion
Portugal. The Man- 5.5 Million
Diamond Rio- 5.5 Million
Steppenwolf- 5.5 Million
Hoobastank- 5.5 Million
Phish- 5.5 Million
Five Finger Death Punch- 5.5 Million
Twisted Sister- 5.5 Million
Audioslave- 5.150 Million
Montgomery Gentry- 5 Million
Warrant- 5 Million
Papa Roach- 5 Million
Avenged Sevenfold- 5 Million
Buckcherry- 5 Million
Asia- 5 Million
Yellowcard- 5 Million
The Alan Parsons Project- 5 Million

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 07/29/2020 @ 09:47am


Are the sales for the groups whose names changed not being counted from here on?

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 07/29/2020 @ 20:04pm


@ Follower

If you're referring to the Dixie Chicks (now simply known as the Chicks) and Lady Antebellum (or Lady A for short), then no. They're still the same bands with the same brands, adding a more "appropriate" versions of the names for some people in today's world. It's not like how RATM went from being RATM to Audioslave nor like how Creed went from being Creed to Alter Bridge.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 07/29/2020 @ 21:44pm


Will N.,

Just before I was playing some Old Jefeerson Starship. How did you do with Jefferson Starship? Did you buy or Download anything? I remember this chat. I only have a couple Gr Hits collections. GOLD gives you good Basics. I first knew about them when I was around 12. You may have passed them over in the late 70s due to PUNK and Heavy Metal. I was not listening to any of that so I became learned on them at an early age. They are good and Mellow in the mornings. I

I listened before to Songs like Runaway and Hyperdrive. It's laid back Rock. I play the Gold quite a bit. It was a gap for you back then but NOT me. I am curious. There is a handful of us on here that know them.. Its mostly laid back 70s Rock. It's after the Revolutionary J Airplane. They were kind of a different band then Airplane. Grace Slick got more laid back in this period. Marty Balin was still there. In the 1970s. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 09:11am


I was listening to a lot of Jefferson Airplane recently. Weird that they're in yet the Hall didn't include all things related to Starship (band members, material, etc). They were still the same group under a not-so-very-much of a different name with different musical styles. Would hate to see that mistake again with Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 09:25am


Charles Crossley Jr. made his predictions for the 2021 nominees today and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Tina Turner

If Charles's predictions for the 2021 nominees were to be the actual ballot this year, Who do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 12:09pm


The Dude, just want to say...if you include all things Starship, you get "We Built This City" too...

Sure you want that? ;)

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 13:09pm


Charles Crossley Jr. made his predictions for the 2021 ballot today and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Tina Turner

Now, If Charles's predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Who do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 13:20pm


@ K-Dawg

It's not the best song I've heard from those guys, but one thing is for sure is the Jefferson Band's induction wasn't done a hundred percent right. They had a strong power staying during their heyday.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 13:45pm


K-Dawg,

I do hold the view that We Built This City is one of the worst songs made. And I love some 80s BUT NOT that. And on top of that it's a Super commercial hit from musicians that previously showed a lot of Talent. I love the J. Airplane and take the JEFFERSON Starship to about 1979. This includes the song Jane. As far as as I'm concerned when the J Airplane was inducted it included the Jefferson Starship. The lineup is similar. I am waiting for Will N to respond

Posted by Ben on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 13:58pm


Richie if Charles's list were the actual I would see these artists inducted.

Pat Benatar
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
The B-52s
Kraftwerk
Judas Priest

If 7: Tina Turner

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 14:35pm


Jefferson "Starship" aka "Airplane" was always fairly commercial at least compared to their San Francisco counterparts Grateful Dead and Moby Grape. They were good at changing with the times. In the 60s they had psychedelic hits like White Rabbit and Somebody to Love. In the 70s they mellowed out, and in the 80s, they were.....80s. Even hippies gotta pay the bills.

Posted by joker on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 16:12pm


When is the airing of the Go-Gos doc? Need to record it on cable. Honestly, don't really care for them, but would be nice to see how their impact is seen back then.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 16:58pm


Plebian,

Charles Crossley Jr. made his predictions for the 2021 ballot today and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Tina Turner

Now, If Charles's predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 17:02pm


If it's gonna be on HBO, then expect a nomination to happen.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 17:03pm


B-52s (FYN)
Foo Fighters (FYE)
Jay-Z (FYE)
Pat Benatar (2 Noms)
The Go-Gos (FYN)
If 6: DMB (I side with The Dude; I hate them, but it was very unfair to leave them out (2 Noms))
If 7: Smashing Pumpkins (FYN; Probably with most of the original lineup minus Darcy)

This is a good ballot, but I would add RATM in there

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 19:48pm


RG,

Charles Crossley Jr. made his predictions for the 2021 ballot today and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Tina Turner

Now, If Charles's predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 20:11pm


Becky Batta,
Styx has 1 BIG problem
The rock hall hates arena rock. Boston, Bad Company and Foreigner are still not in. For Styx to even be considered, the 3 aforementioned artists have to be inducted first. The rock hall also might pick REO Speedwagon before Styx which means that they might have to wait even longer. They are also the most B tier rock artist imaginable so there is no hassle to get them in. I see them inducted in about 10 years.

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 20:43pm


Still can't picture STYX getting inducted years from now, but doubt it. Boston and/or Bad Company have more chances getting in where they belong.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 21:49pm


Ben,
Yes, I checked out quite a bit of the 70's material from Jefferson Starship, mostly from Dragon Fly and Spitfire. Some of the songs I doubt that I had heard since the 70's. You recommended "Caroline" and "St Charles" which were both excellent. One that I really liked off of Spitfire was "Song To the Sun/ Ozymandias/ Don't Let it Rain", which really has that Airplane influence. It is definitely worth a listen here at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Q99Pq97BY . This one was new to me and pretty cool. I enjoy most all of the cuts from the first 4 Jefferson Starship albums. I ended up buying a double CD of both Airplane and Starship released in 1998 with Disc 1 having 17 songs from the Airplane, and Disc 2 has 18 songs from J. Starship. I know most all of them, so this collection was just pretty cool.
One tune that I did run across that I nearly had forgotten about is the song "Stranger", from the 1981 Modern Times album. This is a fun video to check out. It screams 80's but is an excellent jam with Thomas and Slick sharing vocals, Kantner rocking out, and Craig Chaquico ripping out a great solo.. This is the Official video and is absolutely worth checking out at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPCiC1Nku18 . Enjoy..

Posted by Will N. on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 23:06pm


Will N.,

Charles Crossley Jr. made his predictions for the 2021 ballot today and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Tina Turner

Now, If Charles's predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 07/31/2020 @ 23:26pm


I'll stab some names off that list, but truth told, it's filled with retreads and many don't stand a chance, deserving or not

Personally, I'd go with:

Pat Benatar
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Kraftwerk
Jay-Z
Smashing Pumpkins
if 7: Tina Turner

Posted by K-Dawg on Saturday, 08/1/2020 @ 00:17am


I think that if that ended up being the ballot, the inductees would end up being:

Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Todd Rundgren
Tina Turner
The B-52's

I think Todd Rundgren would actually have a huge advantage on this ballot by being the only pre-1977 mainstream classic rock artist (MC5 being on the protopunk side and Judas Priest being metal), so I would fully expect him to make it.

The Go-Go's seem to have the most "momentum" behind them right now as far as their music being revisited, especially with the documentary having just come out.

I don't think I need to go over why Jay-Z is obvious.

I'm not quite as certain about the Foo Fighters as I am Jay-Z, but if it's a ballot like this where their main competition for votes are Smashing Pumpkins and Motörhead, I for sure see them getting in. With a ballot like last years where it's half harder rock acts, maybe not.

I think the main barrier for Tina Turner is just not having been on the ballot. I think once she's there, a lot of voters will be like "yeah, I like many of the other artists, but do I really wanna leave off Tina Freaking Turner?" (the answer is no, they do not.)

I am confident about those five. I think spot #6 would be one of the late 70s early 80s artists - likely The B-52's or Pat.

As for the artists that miss out - the things keeping Kraftwerk, MC5, Priest, & Rufus out will not have changed by the next vote. I can see Motörhead joining that group too, of artists that continue to be nominated but don't make it for years. Smashing Pumpkins, Eurythmics, & Devo will all have their time, just not yet. I think what's important to remember concerning the DMB is that the induction is a vote, not a committee decision, and I just don't see a lot of the voters who didn't think that they were worthy last year changing their minds. They're polarizing is all I'm saying.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 08/1/2020 @ 00:26am


My predictions for the 2021 nominees are:

1.) The B-52's (With The Cure and Depeche Mode both going in the last two years, the floodgates have now opened wider for more 80's New Wave/Alternative acts to get inducted, so I really think that The B-52's will finally make their first appearance on the ballot this year)

2.) Pat Benatar (A lot of people were absolutely stunned that she didn't make it in last year, but I think that we all need to remember that it took Heart 2 tries to get inducted, Anyways, Expect her to return again this year)

3.) Devo (see The B-52's, plus the ceremony is returning to Cleveland for 2021, so expect one of the biggest acts to ever come from Ohio to return for a second nomination)

4.) Eurythmics (see The B-52's and Devo, plus they were recently announced as 2020 Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees (which they'll be inducted next year), so I really think that it will help them to return to the ballot and get their second nomination this year)

5.) Foo Fighters (A FYE lock/shoo-in, plus Dave Grohl is one of the most beloved figures in Music today and he's a member of the nominating committee, Expect to see them on the ballot this year)

6.) The Go-Go's (see The B-52's, Devo and Eurythmics, plus their new documentary about their career premiered on Showtime last night, so they have a lot of momentum going into the 2021 ballot, They were considered for the 2019 ballot along with Pat Benatar, Eurythmics and Cyndi Lauper for the spot that ultimately went to Stevie Nicks, Benatar was nominated last year and Eurythmics in 2018 and I have them both reappearing again this year, so I really think that The Go-Go's will finally get their long overdue first nomination this year based on the strength and momentum of that documentary on Showtime)

7.) Jay-Z (see Foo Fighters, also a FYE lock/shoo-in, no questions asked)

8.) Judas Priest (They'll be back for their third nomination this year, They're the next Hard Rock/Metal act that needs to get inducted along with Motorhead, Expect them to return again this year)

9.) Kraftwerk (They're easily the biggest snub of the Rock Hall by far, but they just can't seem to get enough votes to get inducted, but with Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails both getting in last year, maybe that'll finally help them especially with the passing of founding member Florian Schneider earlier this year, Expect them to return once more this year)

10.) MC5 (see Kraftwerk, plus they've finished dead last in the fan vote in each of the last two years, but they still have a pretty big supporter in Tom Morello on the nominating committee, so expect them to return again this year)

11.) Motorhead (see Judas Priest, plus there's a biopic about Lemmy that will start shooting next year pending any delays, so expect them to appear again this year)

12.) Rufus With Chaka Khan (see Kraftwerk and MC5, but they still have a pretty big supporter in Questlove on the nominating committee, so expect them to return once again this year)

13.) Todd Rundgren (I am confident that he'll get his third straight nomination this year as the sole Singer-Songwriter representative)

14.) Smashing Pumpkins (90's Rock acts have a hard time getting inducted with Nirvana, Green Day and Pearl Jam all getting in FYE, Radiohead and Red Hot Chili Peppers getting in after two tries, Nine Inch Nails getting in after three tries and Rage Against The Machine and Soundgarden both still waiting for induction, but there's one 90's Rock act that has never been nominated before and that is Smashing Pumpkins, Yes, They've had a lot of fighting with their former bass player D'Arcy, but they're truly deserving and should get in soon, I really think that they'll finally appear on the ballot and get their long overdue first nomination this year)

15.) Tina Turner (Pop Divas have had a hard time getting into the Rock Hall and Madonna getting in FYE, Whitney Houston getting in last year FYN and Donna Summer and Janet Jackson both taking a few nominations to get in, I really want to say that Mariah Carey should get nominated this year because she along with Eurythmics, was announced as a 2020 Songwriters Hall of Fame inductee (which she'll be inducted next year) plus her memoir is coming out in September, but I don't know if the nominating committee would nominate her yet so I am going with a woman who was inducted with her ex-husband back 30 years ago and that is Tina Turner, Without a doubt, she's been called The Queen of Rock 'N' Roll and she should be in as a solo artist, An icon in her own right, She truly deserves it for her solo career, so I really think that she'll finally appear on the ballot and get her long overdue first nomination this year)

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 08/1/2020 @ 13:14pm


KING AUGUST 1 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees (20)
1. Smashing Pumpkins
2. Soundgarden
3. Procol Harum
4. Lenny Kravitz
5. Judas Priest
6. Diana Ross
7. Pat Benatar
8. Scorpions
9. Bad Company
10. LL Cool J
11. Kool & The Gang
12. Blue Oyster Cult
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. Duran Duran
15. Megadeth
16. Bryan Adams
17. Iron Maiden
18. Tina Turner
19. Dave Matthews Band
20. Jay-Z
KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 08/1/2020 @ 14:50pm


I believe the Go- Go's documentary is on Showtime. It must have debuted yesterday, I was watching some of it last night and it looks pretty good. I did not see it on tonight but it is airing tomorrow, Sunday night on Showtime 2 at 8:00 pm eastern time..

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 08/1/2020 @ 21:36pm


If you have Showtime through your cable subscription, you can also just stream it anytime on the Showtime website or app. I plan on watching it sometime this week.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 08/1/2020 @ 21:52pm


Will N.,

Charles Crossley Jr. made his predictions for the 2021 ballot yesterday and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Tina Turner

Now, If Charles's predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 08/1/2020 @ 22:22pm


Richie,
I had noticed when you posted this to me the other day, and it had struck me that it was very similar to some of my lists of potential nominees I had posted a few months back, give or take a few. But a lot of his predictions I have been high on for quite some time now, so I do like his choices and I will take some time tomorrow to go over it further, and give you more of a definitive response. Thanks, - Will N.

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 08/1/2020 @ 22:46pm


remy10,

Charles Crossley Jr. made his predictions for the 2021 ballot yesterday and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Tina Turner

Now, If Charles's predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 08/1/2020 @ 23:07pm


remy10,

Charles Crossley Jr. made his predictions for the 2021 ballot yesterday and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Tina Turner

Now, If Charles's predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 08/1/2020 @ 23:11pm


Will N.,

Always cool getting your response. Yes, I see you checked out quite a bit of the 70's material from Jefferson Starship, mostly from Dragon Fly and Spitfire. Some of the songs you doubt that I had heard since the 70's.I guess you did originally listened to them in the 70s. I did recommended "Caroline" and "St Charles" which were both excellent. One that you really liked off of Spitfire was "Song To the Sun/ Ozymandias/ Don't Let it Rain", which really has that Airplane influence. I definitely recall it rather well. I heard it very close to the time. I owned some Jefferson Starship albums on Vinyl wayy back when.
You enjoy most all of the cuts from the first 4 Jefferson Starship albums. I think what you meant last month is you never owned their albums during the 70s. Now you ended up buying a double CD of both Airplane and Starship released in 1998 with Disc 1 has songs from the Airplane, and Disc 2 has 18 songs from J. Starship. You know most all of those. What is the title of that collection? I own a Box set of the Jefferson Airplane called Loves You. It has nice songs including out takes from Crown of Creation, Volunteers and one called Bark. Its great as a lot of highlights of the J Airplane. But it is strictly Airplane. I have 2 small Gr Hits cds for Jefferson Starship. But Not this 2 disc set. I would get it but I don't want to duplicate all the Airplane songs. Need to save money a little. I need the title to check it out if you get the chance.
I recall owning the first 4 on Vinyl album. They are are the Best ones for the group Jefferson Starship. I did also own Freedom at Point Zero. But that one is Not as good. Marty Balin had left. You need Marty to keep some of the original style. By the way Marty BAlin died in Sept 2018.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 08/2/2020 @ 04:17am


Ben,
Following up on your response, the CD you were inquiring about from 1998 and released by RCA, titled Jefferson Airplane/ Jefferson Starship Hits, double CD, with a picture of half of an airplane and half of a starship on the cover. It covers most all of the popular tunes and a few others, but I like it because it spans about 20 years and is a decent collection..
I did not buy any of the LP's new until "Earth" came out in '78, then I picked up Gold in the 80's and the first 3 J. Starship albums used in the 80's. Later on I started getting some CD's like Surrealistic Pillow and Volunteers, Gold, and the Live, "Bless it's Pointed Little Head". So I had overlooked a lot of the deeper cuts over the years from both versions of the band. I tend to lean more towards J. Starship because they were big during my teenage years.
Have you checked out the somewhat critically acclaimed "Blows Against the Empire", which was Kantner and Slick's pre- Starship LP? And along with "Sunfighter", were the genesis of the new band of Jefferson Starship starting to come together and form. Both albums are very good, especially the first which was loaded with talent, and contributions from the Grateful Dead, Quicksilver Messenger Service, and Crosby, Stills and Nash. The albums are kind of a bridge between the 2 bands, and Kantner actually has a song titled "Starship" on the LP.. I have heard a little of both and is some interesting material, so just relaying a few under the radar facts about the history of the bands.

Posted by Will N. on Sunday, 08/2/2020 @ 13:51pm


RG,

What are your predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 08/2/2020 @ 23:25pm


Richie,

I've posted my predictions in this thread many times and they haven't changed. I think there are other, more interesting things we can be discussing here besides just going in circles on nominee predictions.

Posted by RG on Monday, 08/3/2020 @ 09:20am


My official predictions for the 2021 nominees are:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Iron Maiden
Jane's Addiction
Jay-Z
Joy Division
Los Lobos
New York Dolls
Rage Against The Machine
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Thin Lizzy

10 returning nominees and five first-timers.

Inductees (I think that they'll do seven inductees next year just like they did in 2019):

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Rage Against The Machine
Todd Rundgren

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 08/3/2020 @ 10:03am


Welcome to richie's world, RG. He is completely bound to his internal wiring...

That said, I will do an updated list of my predictions soon. I haven't really inducted a personal want list yet, which I usually do.

A guitarist for Molly Hatchet just passed away a couple days ago. I haven't gone and compiled a list of all the musicians/actors/celebrities that have died this year, but it seems like there is a ton...

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 08/3/2020 @ 11:50am


Since our Twitter has been going on about female representation lately, I was wondering if there are deserving female artists you like to see in and why. Give more than reason than because they are a woman. Mixed bands or groups count (B-52s and New Order FE)
They have to be legit too!
Just a question to pass time :)

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 08/3/2020 @ 14:21pm


Plebian,

Here are a (large) handful of female artists/50%+ female/female-fronted groups that I think deserve induction. I also think that even though you're asking for reasons other than gender, gender can be a big part of the equation. Given the struggles that women face in the music industry, being the first woman/group of women to [blank] can be a big accomplishment and reason for historical importance.

I'm not gonna go too deep into the reasons behind each one, but I would be happy to make a case for any of them.

Eligible artists (including early influences):
Big Mama Thornton
Ella Fitzgerald
Esther Phillips
Patsy Cline
Dolly Parton
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
Dionne Warwick
Tina Turner (solo)
Diana Ross (solo)
Chaka Khan (w/ Rufus)
The Pointer Sisters
LaBelle
Carole King
Cher
Carly Simon
The Carpenters
The Runaways
Pat Benatar
Gloria Estefan
Cyndi Lauper
Kate Bush
The Go-Go's
The Bangles
Eurythmics
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Sonic Youth
Salt-N-Pepa
PJ Harvey
Sheryl Crow
Alanis Morrisette
Sleater-Kinney
Mariah Carey
Sade
Bjork
Fugees and/or Lauryn Hill (solo)

And artists that will become eligible in the next decade:
Fiona Apple
Missy Elliott
Destiny's Child
Alicia Keys
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Amy Winehouse
Beyonce
Paramore

You would be able to craft some strong ballots with just the artists listed here.

Posted by RG on Monday, 08/3/2020 @ 15:59pm


I would add Rihanna to your list. She is definitely in the conversation...

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 08/4/2020 @ 12:41pm


K-Dawg,

Yes, absolutely! Somehow missed her when scrolling through the Future Eligible list.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 08/4/2020 @ 13:16pm


Plebian,

Assuming five-seven acts per class, and five more years, Who do you expect the next 25-35 acts inducted into the Rock Hall to be in some order?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 08/4/2020 @ 19:17pm


I really don't know Richie, but for your desperation and compensation, I expect the 5-7 thing from these years

2021-5
2022-5
2023-6
2024-6
2025-6
2026-5
2027-6
2028-5
2029-7

The act predicting is left to the others

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 08/4/2020 @ 19:22pm


RG,

Assuming five-seven acts per class, and five more years, Who do you expect the next 25-35 acts inducted into the Rock Hall to be in some order?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 08/4/2020 @ 19:28pm


Here's an updated list of the most certified bands in America who are not in the Hall with the inclusion of albums, EP's, video albums, singles (both standard and digital), video singles, and ringtones. Hope you guys enjoy the list.

1. Maroon 5- 124.5 Million
2. Linkin Park- 63.6 Million
3. Florida Georgia Line- 56 Million
4. Twenty One Pilots- 49.5 Million
5. Alabama- 46.8 Million
6. Foreigner- 45.5 Million
7. The Dixie Chicks- 40.8 Million
8. Panic! At the Disco- 38 Million
9. Coldplay- 36.6 Million
10. Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million
11. Rascal Flatts- 33.7 Million
12. Fall Out Boy- 33 Million
13. Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million
14. Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million
15. Boston- 31 Million
16. Imagine Dragons- 30 Million
17. The Carpenters- 29.6 Million
18. Lady Antebellum- 28.55 Million
19. Nickelback- 27.8 Million
20. Motley Crue- 26.8 Million
21. REO Speedwagon- 26 Million
22. Creed- 26 Million
23. 3 Doors Down- 25. 8 Million
24. Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million
25. OneRepublic- 24 Million
26. Sade- 23.5 Million
27. Kansas- 23 Million
28. Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million
29. The Fray- 22.5 Million
30. Paramore- 22 Million
31. Fun- 22 Million
32. Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million
33. Daughtry- 20 Million
34. Three Days Grace- 20 Million
35. Dan + Shay- 19 Million
36. The Monkees- 18 Million
37. Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million
38. Styx- 17.5 Million
39. Korn- 17.25 Million
40. Limp Bizkit- 17 Million
41. Casting Crowns- 17 Million
42. Bad Company- 16.650 Million
43. Shinedown - 16.550 Million
44. Disturbed- 16.5 Million
45. Sugarland- 16 Million
46. INXS- 16 Million
47. Wings- 16 Million
48. Poison- 15.750 Million
49. No Doubt- 15.6 Million
50. Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million
51. Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million
52. The Offspring- 15 Million
53. The Cranberries- 15 Million
54. Breaking Benjamin- 15 Million
55. The Band Perry- 14.5 Million
56. Evanescence- 14.5 Million
57. Duran Duran- 14 Million
58. Toto- 14 Million
59. Skillet- 14 Million
60. My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million
61. Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million
62. Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million
63. Counting Crows- 13 Million
64. Whitesnake- 12.650 Million
65. The Killers- 12.6 Million
66. MercyMe- 12.6 Million
67. The Jonas Bros- 12.56 Million
68. Survivor- 12.5 Million
69. Blink 182- 12.1 Million
70. Live- 12 Million
71. Little Big Town- 11.5 Million
72. Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million
73. Savage Garden- 11.5 Million
74. Judas Priest- 11.1 Million
75. Scorpions- 11.1 Million
76. All American Rejects- 11.1 Million
77. Loverboy- 11 Million
78. Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million
79. Owl City- 11 Million
80. Three Dog Night- 11 Million
81. X Ambassadors- 11 Million
82. Old Dominion- 11 Million
83. Godsmack- 10.6 Million
84. Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million
85. 38 Special- 10.5 Million
86. Florence and the Machine- 10.5 Million
87. Bush- 10.5 Million
88. Muse- 10.5 Million
89. Men at Work- 10.5 Million
90. The Black Keys- 10.5 Million
91. Slipknot- 10.2 Million
92. Staind- 10.050 Million
93. Sublime- 10 Million
94. Clean Bandit- 10 Million
95. Air Supply- 9.5 Million
96. Foster the People- 9.5 Million
97. 5 Seconds of Summer- 9.5 Million
98. Tool- 9.3 Million
99. Rage Against the Machine- 9.3 Million
100. Goo Goo Dolls- 9.1 Million

System of A Down- 9 Million
Soundgarden- 9 Million
Ratt- 9 Million
Bread- 9 Million
The Neighbourhood- 9 Million
Lonestar- 8.5 Million
Bastille- 8.5 Million
Gym Class Heros- 8.5 Million
Smash Mouth- 8.5 Million
Skid Row- 8.1 Million
Weezer- 8.050 Million
Oasis- 8 Million
Hinder- 8 Million
America- 8 Million
Collective Soul- 8 Million
Plain White T's- 8 Million
Of Monster & Men- 8 Million
10,000 Maniacs- 8 Million
The Eli Young Band- 8 Million
Megadeth- 7.950 Million
Iron Maiden- 7.9 Million
The Black Crows- 7.6 Million
311- 7.750 Million
Blood, Sweat & Tears- 7.5 Million
B-52's- 7.5 Million
Third Eye Blind- 7.5 Million
Awolnation- 7.5 Million
Jefferson Starship- 7.5 Milllion
Supertramp- 7.5 Million
Kool & the Gang- 7.5 Million
Pantera- 7.350 Million
Big & Rich- 7 Million
Quiet Riot- 7 Million
Eurythmics- 7 Million
Cinderella- 7 Million
The Bangles- 6.55 Million
Chevlle- 6.5 Million
Theory Of A Deadman- 6.5 Million
Cultrue Club- 6.5 Million
Telsa- 6.5 Million
Incubus- 6.5 Million
Snow Patrol- 6.5 Million
The Oasis- 6.5 Million
Tears for Fears- 6.5 Million
War- 6.5 Million
Good Charlotte- 6.5 Million
The Lumineers- 6.5 Million
Bon Iver- 6 Million
Seether - 6 Million
Queensrÿche- 6 Million
Foghat- 6 Milllion
Five Finger Death Punch- 6 Million
Portugal. The Man- 5.5 Million
Diamond Rio- 5.5 Million
Steppenwolf- 5.5 Million
Hoobastank- 5.5 Million
Phish- 5.5 Million
Twisted Sister- 5.5 Million
Audioslave- 5.150 Million
Montgomery Gentry- 5 Million
Warrant- 5 Million
Papa Roach- 5 Million
Avenged Sevenfold- 5 Million
Buckcherry- 5 Million
Asia- 5 Million
Yellowcard- 5 Million
The Alan Parsons Project- 5 Million

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 08/5/2020 @ 10:58am


I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion, but I actually think it would be cool if they announced the 2021 nominees on the HBO Induction Special in November. They can do the inductions, have a nice "Congratulations to the Class of 2020", take a beat, then go into "And now, here are the nominees for the Class of 2021..." They could have clips for each nominee. I think it would make for good tv.

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 08/5/2020 @ 12:57pm


Actually, Greg P., I think that's an excellent idea! Good job!

Posted by John Mangee on Wednesday, 08/5/2020 @ 14:46pm


It actually is an unpopular opinion; I've seen posts on Twitter denouncing it, saying it would overshadow the inductees' big night, especially in the press the next day. No one would cover the "night of magic" or whatever you wanna call it, it'd be all about the next year's nominees.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08/5/2020 @ 15:14pm


Philip,

I get it. That's why I know it is an unpopular opinion. As a fan, neither would overshadow the other for me. I will enjoy the inductions, and revel in them over the following days, and also be excited about the new slate of nominees. I also think the press, if they are worthy of their jobs, should be able to compartmentalize and be able to cover each component separately.

Posted by Greg P. on Wednesday, 08/5/2020 @ 15:33pm


Yeah, I think Philip brings up a good point. I'd only do that if, somehow, all of the inductees of that year were deceased or not present, but that's very unlikely.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 08/5/2020 @ 15:34pm


Updated 2021 predictions Early August

I think they are only going to stick with 5 considering the circumstances with the pandemic, so I think it will be these 5

1. Go-Gos- Again, I don't care for them, but the buzz from the doc and another reunion is setting up for a early pick for the Hall to choose from (1 Nom)

2. Jay-Z- No further questions (1 Nom)

3.Foo Fighters- People will cry favoritism, but there is no denying the FF are still going strong to this day. Dave Grohl is also a sweetie pie and his band is still relevant in a world of pop and rap (1 Nom)

4. Pat and Neil- She will be back with a vengeance and her plus the Go-Gos will be a step in the right direction one way or another to address the gender problem in the Hall (2 Noms)

5. RATM- I feel like I'm the only one that feels it's their time. 2 plus more political events happening in the world ... what more can you want? (2 Noms)

ME-
Todd Rundgren- Todd will probably place here and over with it (2 Noms)

Early Influence-Big Mama Thornton- The most requested of the EI and deservingly so. Both her version and Elvis' of Hound Dog are spectacular.

The others:
Kraftwerk (6 Noms)
Chaka Khan/Rufus (6 Noms total)
MC5 (5 Noms, Lol)
Judas Priest (2 Noms)
Smashing Pumpkins (1 Nom)
B-52s (1 Nom)
John Prine (1 Nom)
Mott The Hoople (1 Nom)
Motörhead (1 Nom)
Tommy Shondell (1 Nom)
Devo (1 Nom)

Any questions? If more please don't be afraid to ask. :)

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 08/5/2020 @ 20:40pm


RG,

I'm going to list off all the artists that have either been previously nominated or previously considered for the Rock Hall and they are:

Previously Considered:

Ashford & Simpson
The Average White Band
The B-52's
Bad Company
Barry White
The Big Bopper
Big Brother & The Holding Company
Billy Preston
Black Flag
Blind Faith
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Blues Incorporated
The Blues Project
Bobby Brown
Boogie Down Productions
Boz Scaggs
Brook Benton
Canned Heat
Captain Beefheart
Chubby Checker
Chuck Brown
Cliff Richard & The Shadows
The Commodores
Country Joe & The Fish
Crazy Horse
The Crystals
De La Soul
Delaney & Bonnie
Dick Dale
Donny Hathaway
Doug Sahm
Dr. Hook
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Fela
Fishbone
The Five Keys
The Five Satins
The Flying Burrito Brothers
Freddy Cannon
The Gap Band
George Jones
Gil Scott-Heron
Grace Jones
The Harptones
Herman's Hermits
Hot Tuna
Huey 'Piano' Smith & The Clowns
Iron Butterfly
Iron Maiden
Ivory Joe Hunter
Jack Scott
The Jam
The Jayhawks
Jethro Tull
Joe Cocker
Johnny Burnette & The Rock 'N' Roll Trio
Johnny Hallyday
Johnny Winter
Judy Collins
Junior Parker
Junior Walker & The All-Stars
Junior Wells
Keith Richards
The Last Poets
Lee Andrews & The Hearts
Lee Dorsey
Lesley Gore
Living Colour
Love
Lucinda Williams
Manfred Mann
The Marshall Tucker Band
Mick Jagger
Mitch Ryder
The Monkees
Neil Sedaka
The Neville Brothers
Nick Drake
Otis Rush
Pat Boone
Patsy Cline
Paul Anka
Peter Tosh
Pixies
Poco
Rufus Thomas
Ry Cooder
Sade
The Shangri-La's
Simple Minds
Sinead O'Connor
Slim Harpo
Sonic Youth
Sonny & Cher
The Spencer Davis Group
Sugarhill Gang
Teddy Pendergrass
Ten Years After
Three Dog Night
Tim Hardin
Tina Turner
Tommy James & The Shondells
Treacherous Three
The Turtles
X

Previously Nominated:

Afrika Bambaataa
Bad Brains
Ben E. King
Carole King
Chaka Khan
The Chantels
Chic
Chuck Willis
Conway Twitty
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
The Dominoes
Eric B. & Rakim
Esther Phillips
Eurythmics
Gram Parsons
The J. Geils Band
The J.B's
Jane's Addiction
Joe Tex
John Prine
Johnny Ace
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
Kraftwerk
Link Wray
LL Cool J
Los Lobos
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
MC5
The Meters
Motorhead
New York Dolls
Pat Benatar
Procol Harum
Rage Against The Machine
The Replacements
Rufus With Chaka Khan
The Sir Douglas Quintet
The Smiths
Soundgarden
The Spinners
Steppenwolf
Steve Winwood
Sting
Thin Lizzy
Todd Rundgren
War

Now, By telling you all of the acts that have either been previously nominated or previously considered for the Rock Hall, Does that influence your predictions for the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 08/5/2020 @ 22:30pm


Richie,

Nope.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 08/5/2020 @ 23:05pm


RG,

Assuming five-seven acts per class, and five more years, Who do you expect the next 25-35 acts inducted into the Rock Hall to be in some order?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 08/5/2020 @ 23:10pm


Plebian,
Not to override Richie's request for nominees/inductees predictions, which I will get more into later because it involves more time and thought, but you brought up a lot of interesting viewpoints..
First of all, if I had to choose 5 inductees, OK. But I believe it would be at least 6. So if I had to throw Jay-Z in there as an automatic, because the powers that be say so, I am good with that, although I would not have him as an inductee. But as it stands,
#1.- Jay-Z - , and then that would leave 5 more..
#2.- Pat and Neil - ; agree with you there, should already be in, so get it done..wtf.
#3 - The B-52's - ; far more influential than The Go-Go's, should be first time nominee/inductee.. overlooked for too long.
#4 - Motorhead - ; A lot of love for Lemmy in the voting committee.. he seems to be worshiped in the Rock world.. Dave Grohl included.
#5 - Soundgarden - ; Once again, a beloved Rock icon in Chris Cornell has a place reserved in RRHOF, why not now? Dave Grohl and Tom Morello agree..
#6 - The Go- Go's - ; They would be an upbeat pick for the 6th slot, though a very tough choice, also considering Jethro Tull or Bad Company, but they are unique being the first girl Rock band to hit #1..

If #7 - Kraftwerk, J. Tull, Bad Company, Judas Priest or Thin Lizzy could be possibilities, but sticking with 6 inductees, I feel this group could get in.
I am excluding Foo Fighters and RATM for the reasonings that I believe Dave Grohl and maybe also Tom Morello would concede in favor of some of their influential favorites that inspired them in the first place. Personally, I am older than Dave Grohl and I understand that maybe he sees Lemmy or Phil Lynott, Chris Cornell or Paul Rodgers as Rock leadmen that may have inspired him to get into Rock and Roll, and it would be unfathomable and not right for him to be inducted before his influences. The same for Tom Morello, although I am not sure how they feel personally, as these are just thoughts brought to me from the comments presented by Plebian, so I am just relaying them along for analysis or debate..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 08/5/2020 @ 23:48pm


Digital Dream Door is home of several musical lists, so I'll just list the highest ranking person on various lists not in the hall and lowest ranking person in the hall. Some lists go to 100, some lists go to 200.:

Greatest Rock Artists: Jay-Z (#44) and Paul McCartney/Wings (#100)
Greatest Rock Artists of the 1950's: The Clovers (#9)/ The Shirelles (#176)
Greatest Rock Artists of the 1960's: The Monkees (#40)/ Santana (#195)
Greatest Rock Artists of the 1970's: Peter Frampton (#47)/ Chuck Berry (#190)
Greatest Rock Artists of the 1980's: Phil Collins (#11)/ Tom Waits (#196)
Greatest Rock Artists of the 1990's: Mariah Carey (#3)/Queen (#85)
Most Influential Rock and Roll Artists: Afrika Bambaataa (#43)/Sex Pistols (#100)
Greatest Frontmen of Rock: Tina Turner (#6) or Ian Anderson (#27)/John Sebsastian (#200)
Greatest Live Artists: Big Jay McNeely (#24)/The Staple Singers (#98)
Greatest Female Artists: Mariah Carey (#8)/ Christine McVee (#74)
Greatest Rock Guitarists: Robert Fripp (#11)/Various as guitarists after #250 didn't have a number, but of the ones with a number, Rick Nielson (#248)
Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists: Tony Levin (#6)/Tom Hamilton (#100)
Greatest Rock Drummers: Carl Palmer (#4)/ Various for the same reason as guitarists, but of the ones with a number, Phil Rudd (#149)
Greatest Rock Keyboardists: Keith Emerson (#1!)/Roger O'Donnell (#96), but various hall of famers were honorable mentions.
Greatest Rock Pianists: Amos Milburn (#6)/Christine McVee (#50)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 08/6/2020 @ 21:14pm


Supergroup of Greatest ____ not in the hall of fame:
Frontman: Ian Anderson
Guitar: Robert Fripp
Bass: Tony Levin
Drums: Carl Palmer
Keyboardist: Keith Emerson.


Wait a minute.... ALL of these are Prog musicians!

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 08/6/2020 @ 21:17pm


Seems like a website I shouldn't take seriously.....
Bias really apparent

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 00:02am


Will N.,

Always good seeing your posts on here. I never predict inductees before knowing the full list of nominees. But to speak of them as Nominees. I see Jay-Z as automatic for nominees before an inductee win. I have yet to check out Jay-Z tunes as of this date. That's because I am a Rock guy like you. Anyway,speaking of in terms of nominees you make some good points. I have just included Thin Lizzy as a nominee prediction. There was a whole pack of heavy rock nominees for 2020.Thin Lizzy is a band who elude me with their material. I have very little knowledge of their full albums. I add them as a nominee because of immense influence. I feel for sure Tom Morello was the main one who picked the pack of Heavy Rock for 2020. He is an expert on Heavy Rock.
I have already excluded Rage ATM from predictions. It makes sense to exclude Foo Fighters as well in favor of their influential favorites. I will most likely include Motorhead instead. I agree with Plebian on several acts also. I see both Kraftwerk and John Prine as likely nominees. Also relaying comments along from Plebian for analysis or discussion. Hear from ya.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 03:50am


KING QUICK THOUGHTS 8/7/20
The backlog of RRHOF worthy heavy metal bands really hurts their chances of multiple inductions. Incredible bands Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motley Crue, Megadeth, Motorhead, Scorpions, etc have to wait year after year. It's difficult for the average pop singer or R&B artist to match the influence, longevity, number of units sold, talent, etc of these metal bands. I'm still amazed Iron Maiden has not been inducted. They are everything a RRHOF band should be. Scorpions, I hope gather momentum. They are a KING FAV. Rock You Like A Hurricane & Wind Of Change are Classic songs. I'm also forgetting other worthy artists like Blue Oyster Cult, Ozzy (Solo), Queensryche, Slayer, etc. They had a good collection last year but split the vote. You could honestly make a quality ballot just with the metal acts. Judas Priest should have been inducted years ago but have recently been nominated. I think Iron Maiden should be nominated this year. How would you like to see the metal acts inducted as far as most worthy and electability? Enjoy watching some of the early 2020 nominee ballots I've seen. Congrats to Cyndi Lauper on her victory. The 1990's 2000's alternative rock and the like is going to be another close race. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 10:17am


Richie,

I made a list of who I think the next five years of inductees will be (assuming six inductees per year). Didn't think about the order they will go in, but I tried to get a similar breakdown of subgenres and eras as the last five years (but weighted a bit more to the 80s/90s):

Classic Pop (1): Cher
60s Classic Rock (1): Tommy James & The Shondells
70s Classic Rock (3): Bad Company, Boston, Todd Rundgren
80s Classic Rock (2): Pat Benatar, Phil Collins
70s R&B/Disco/Funk (2): Commodores, Rufus w/ Chaka Khan
70s Hard Rock/Metal (2): Judas Priest, Thin Lizzy
80s Hard Rock/Metal (1): Motley Crue
80s Alternative/New Wave (4): Duran Duran, The Go-Go's, The Smiths, Joy Division/New Order
90s Rock/Alternative (5): Soundgarden, Foo Fighters, Oasis, Smashing Pumpkins, Beck
Modern Pop (3): Mariah Carey, George Michael, Tina Turner
Punk (1): Dead Kennedys
Prog (1): Jethro Tull
Hip Hop (3): Jay-Z, Eminem, Outkast
Electronic (1): Kraftwerk

Let me know what you think!

Posted by RG on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 12:32pm


RG,

What year do you think that all of the acts that you have as acts that you think will get into the Rock Hall in the next five years (Cher, Tommy James & The Shondells, Bad Company, Boston, Todd Rundgren, Pat Benatar, Phil Collins, The Commodores, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Judas Priest, Thin Lizzy, Motley Crue, Duran Duran, The Go-Go's, The Smiths, Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden, Foo Fighters, Oasis, Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, Mariah Carey, George Michael, Tina Turner, The Dead Kennedys, Jethro Tull, Jay-Z, Eminem, OutKast and Kraftwerk) will all get in in?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 13:31pm


Personally, I think Iron Maiden will get in before Motley Crue.

Posted by John Mangee on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 13:37pm


Richie,

Like I said, I'm not going to speculate on the order. I want to make one change to my list though:

90s Rock/Alternative (4): Soundgarden, Foo Fighters, Oasis, Smashing Pumpkins
00s Rock/Alternative (1): The White Stripes

Do you have any thoughts on this list you asked me to make, Richie? Artists you would add/remove?

Posted by RG on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 13:41pm


John,

I disagree. Motley Crue is in much more of the same pop hair metal vein as Def Leppard, they had popular mainstream success in the US, whereas Iron Maiden never really crossed over from the metal niche, even though they are ultimately the more critically respected and popular group in the long-term.

Posted by RG on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 13:56pm


RG,

I think your list is perfect and realistic, I love all your picks that you have for the next five years (2021-2025) for getting into the Rock Hall (Cher, Tommy James & The Shondells, Bad Company, Boston, Todd Rundgren, Pat Benatar, Phil Collins, The Commodores, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Judas Priest, Thin Lizzy, Motley Crue, Duran Duran, The Go-Go's, The Smiths, Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden, Foo Fighters, Oasis, Smashing Pumpkins, The White Stripes, Mariah Carey, George Michael, Tina Turner, The Dead Kennedys, Jethro Tull, Jay-Z, Eminem, OutKast and Kraftwerk). Now, After all of these acts get in in the next five years, Which acts do you see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the following five years after that (2026-2030)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 14:01pm


https://nysmusic.com/2020/07/27/billionaire-john-malone-approved-to-take-over-control-of-iheartmedia/

Iron Maiden is still not an easy one to induct yet, which would take a few more years. Yeah, they sold millions and headline arenas. But they still lack radio airplay, they're not one of the most certified bands of all time, and their market was built on the niche side than mainstream.

If stations had the balls to play their music regularly, not only Maiden would be more bigger than they were before, they'd also be in the Hall now. I've always wondered why I'm the only FRL regular who talks about economics other than the fact some here couldn't handle the truth.

Since the Rock Hall has connections to iHeartmedia, Pandora, Live Nation, Ticketmaster, and SiriusXM, John Malone have not only been approved to controls those companies but the also the music industry from the root of the fruit, making more harder to induct Eligible acts who are either not heard on terrestrial radio or only could get less than three songs staples regularly.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 14:04pm


Richie,

Here's my 2026-30 list:

Classic Folk/Singer-Songwriter (1): Carly Simon
60s Soul/R&B (1): The Spinners
60s Classic Rock (1): The Monkees
70s Classic Rock (2): Foreigner, Warren Zevon
80s Classic Rock (1): Billy Idol
70s R&B/Disco/Funk (2): Barry White, Kool & The Gang
70s Hard Rock/Metal (2): Motorhead, Blue Oyster Cult
80s Hard Rock/Metal (1): Iron Maiden
70s Glam/Art Rock (1): New York Dolls
80s Alternative/New Wave (4): The B-52's, Devo, Eurythmics, Pixies
90s Rock/Alternative (5): Beck, Dave Matthews Band, Alice in Chains, Rage Against the Machine, Weezer
00s Rock/Alternative (2): Arcade Fire, Coldplay
Modern Pop (2): Beyonce, Cyndi Lauper
Prog (1): Procol Harum
Hip Hop (4): LL Cool J, Kanye West, Wu-Tang Clan, A Tribe Called Quest

Doing this makes me think that they really need to be inducting more artists per year. The fact that I'm 10 years out now and still have a long list of worthy artists that I would like to see inducted in the next decade is frustrating.

Posted by RG on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 15:54pm


RG,

After the 2021-25 list (Cher, Tommy James & The Shondells, Bad Company, Boston, Todd Rundgren, Pat Benatar, Phil Collins, The Commodores, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Judas Priest, Thin Lizzy, Motley Crue, Duran Duran, The Go-Go's, The Smiths, Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden, Foo Fighters, Oasis, Smashing Pumpkins, The White Stripes, Mariah Carey, George Michael, Tina Turner, The Dead Kennedys, Jethro Tull, Jay-Z, Eminem, OutKast and Kraftwerk) and the 2026-30 list (Carly Simon, The Spinners, The Monkees, Foreigner, Warren Zevon, Billy Idol, Barry White, Kool & The Gang, Motorhead, Blue Oyster Cult, Iron Maiden, New York Dolls, The B-52's, Devo, Eurythmics, Pixies, Beck, Dave Matthews Band, Alice In Chains, Rage Against The Machine, Weezer, Arcade Fire, Coldplay, Beyonce, Cyndi Lauper, Procol Harum, LL Cool J, Kanye West, Wu-Tang Clan and A Tribe Called Quest) all get in, Which acts do you see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the following five years after that (2031-2035)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 08/7/2020 @ 17:26pm


I wonder what happened to the museum kiosk. Even after it reopened I never see anything about it.

Then again, the usual "kiosk trio" of Iron Maiden, Styx, and Blink-182 are probably still doing well.

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 08/8/2020 @ 14:31pm


If Motley Crue is still number one, then they need to give what the fans and their consumers want the most by loosening their popularity control bullsh*t and nominate them rather than rigging it again. They were ROBBED and lost UNFAIRLY last year. If they keep doing this, they'll start losing out their money and relevant, and go bankrupt. The Kiosk is made to demand, NOT suggest.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 08/8/2020 @ 14:54pm


If Motley Crue is still number one, then they need to give what the fans and their consumers want the most by loosening their popularity control bullsh*t and nominate them rather than rigging it again. They were ROBBED and lost UNFAIRLY last year. If they keep doing this, they'll start losing out their money and relevance, and go bankrupt. The Kiosk is made to demand, NOT suggest.

EDIT

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 08/8/2020 @ 14:58pm


Inducting Motley Crue would actually be in the right direction. Rock Hall needs to prove they can have the trust of those who visit their museum. With them in, it would get more of a response that hey! Our voice matters and so on. The fan vote also needs maintenance and again let the top 5 be in and let the board members decide on final touches to the class. Simple, but effective.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 08/8/2020 @ 15:31pm


Hey Dude,
I agree Iron Maiden is still not an easy one to induct yet, it would take a few more years. Yeah, they sold millions and headline arenas. But they still lack radio airplay, they're not one of the most key bands of all time, and their market was Not based on the Mainstream. I am Not a big fan. I listened to them a little in the 80s. I think Motley Crue would be inducted if nominated Next year. I doubt Iron Maiden would be inducted if nominated. Motley Crue had a whole bunch of big Radio hits.There lies a strength.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 08/8/2020 @ 20:39pm


Ben it seems you hate everything that's not traditional rock with a few sprinkles in between

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 08/9/2020 @ 02:33am


Plebian,

I'm not sure where you got that conclusion. I like a lot of traditional. I am not sure what you mean by sprinkles. I own a few Motley Crue tunes. I admit top favorites of mine are The Who,Eric Clapton, Yes, Steely Dan, Talking Heads,etx Etc,etc. But I do like lots of other stuff. Also is Talking Heads Traditional rock? I'm not sure. I own 3 of their album. Well besides that I do like a bunch of Heavy Metal. It is true it's the traditional Metal I like. I certainly don't hate Motley Crue. And I don't hate Iron Maiden. I assume you thought I hate those. I'm not sure if your comment was relevent to Iron Maiden and Motley Crue. Or your talking about other genres like R&B and New Wave.
I was saying that Iron Maiden would not be inducted if nominated. They are niche group. But as far as Iron Maiden I own Piece of mind tunes. I did say I am not a big Iron Maiden fan. But hey I like other Metal bands quite a bit like Queensryche. I am not one to argue much. I know Traditional rock acts are most of my favs. I am Not sure if other kinds of acts are sprinkles.for me. Could we say I like a lot of sprinkles rather than just a few. Hey I listen to some Danzig the other day. Ahh Danzig. I am willing to say I like lots of sprinkles in between. You can respond if you want. I am Not into Sepultura and Corrosion of Conformity if thats what you mean. But I love a bunch of sprinkles. Not just a few.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 08/9/2020 @ 04:37am


RG,

After the 2021-25 list (Cher, Tommy James & The Shondells, Bad Company, Boston, Todd Rundgren, Pat Benatar, Phil Collins, The Commodores, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Judas Priest, Thin Lizzy, Motley Crue, Duran Duran, The Go-Go's, The Smiths, Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden, Foo Fighters, Oasis, Smashing Pumpkins, The White Stripes, Mariah Carey, George Michael, Tina Turner, The Dead Kennedys, Jethro Tull, Jay-Z, Eminem, OutKast and Kraftwerk) and the 2026-30 list (Carly Simon, The Spinners, The Monkees, Foreigner, Warren Zevon, Billy Idol, Barry White, Kool & The Gang, Motorhead, Blue Oyster Cult, Iron Maiden, New York Dolls, The B-52's, Devo, Eurythmics, Pixies, Beck, Dave Matthews Band, Alice In Chains, Rage Against The Machine, Weezer, Arcade Fire, Coldplay, Beyonce, Cyndi Lauper, Procol Harum, LL Cool J, Kanye West, Wu-Tang Clan and A Tribe Called Quest) all get inducted, Which acts do you see being inducted into the Rock Hall in the following five years after that (2031-2035)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 08/10/2020 @ 00:47am


richie, why oh why do you persist on this wild goosechase of a year to year induction? The same subjects in different perspectives.

It's getting more and more foggy to see who will be in the 2021 class, yet September is upon us soon, and the speculation begins for next year. It feels incomplete with the RRHOF not yet putting in the inductees for this year; it's meant to be cyclical and having us honoring the newest classes in due course over the seasons. Damn you Coronavirus.

I will put forth my updated list by this weekend, and I will have some things to say. For one thing, I want my Depeche Mode concert performance! It's been way too long for them and I would love to see a jam with some others they have influenced. My personal new wave pantheon of the pioneers is almost complete, just missing Duran Duran and the Eurythmics. But I don't want to spoil all the surprises...to be continued...

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 08/12/2020 @ 00:57am


Richie,

Too far in the future, not gonna try to make that prediction right now. Side note, I scroll up to read all of the comments here, so if I don't respond to you, you don't need to keep posting the same thing repeatedly until I do, especially if it's basically just repeating a list I made back to me. Thank you.

Any feedback on the predictions I made?

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 08/12/2020 @ 09:22am


King,

I read a good post of yours from several days ago. I wrote about the Metal acts. Thats very cool. The metal acts you say are all worthy of inductions. More on that at a later time. A couple questions. You enjoy some of the early 2020 nominee ballots. Do you mean the early 2021 nominee ballots. 2020 Nominee ballots could possibly mean For 2021. Can you clarify that?
My Main question is you gave congrats to Cyndi Lauper on her victory. I love Cyndi Lauper. What Victory do you mean? I can google Cyndi Lauper on her activity. It is easier to just ask you. Hear from ya. Thank you

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 08/13/2020 @ 05:00am


King,

I read a good post of yours from several days ago. I wrote about the Metal acts. Thats very cool. The metal acts you say are all worthy of inductions. More on that at a later time. A couple questions. You enjoy some of the early 2020 nominee ballots. Do you mean the early 2021 nominee ballots. 2020 Nominee ballots could possibly mean For 2021. Can you clarify that?
My Main question is you gave congrats to Cyndi Lauper on her victory. I love Cyndi Lauper. What Victory do you mean? I can google Cyndi Lauper on her activity. It is easier to just ask you. Hear from ya. Thank you

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 08/13/2020 @ 05:00am


I think that IMO, I feel that these are the acts that are the most likely to appear on the 2021 ballot because all of them have either been previously nominated or previously considered for the Rock Hall and they are:

50's/Early 60's:

Johnny Burnette & The Rock 'N' Roll Trio
Ben E. King
Chubby Checker
Chuck Willis
The Crystals
Dick Dale
Lesley Gore
Link Wray
The Shangri-La's
Neil Sedaka

Classic Folk/Singer-Songwriter:

Carole King
Gram Parsons
Nick Drake
John Prine

60's Soul/R&B:

The Spinners
The Marvelettes
Mary Wells
Joe Tex

60's Classic Rock:

Tommy James & The Shondells
The Monkees
Joe Cocker
Steppenwolf
Love

70's Classic Rock:

Bad Company
Todd Rundgren
The J. Geils Band

80's Classic Rock:

Pat Benatar
Sting
Steve Winwood

70's/80's R&B/Disco/Funk:

The Commodores
Chaka Khan/Rufus With Chaka Khan
Barry White
War
The Meters
The Average White Band
Donny Hathaway
The Gap Band
The J.B's
Bobby Brown

70's Hard Rock/Metal:

Judas Priest
Thin Lizzy
Motorhead

80's Hard Rock/Metal:

Iron Maiden

70's Glam/Art-Rock:

New York Dolls

80's Alternative/New Wave:

The Smiths
The B-52's
Devo
Eurythmics
Pixies
Kate Bush
Sonic Youth
The Replacements

90's Rock/Alternative:

Soundgarden
Foo Fighters
Rage Against The Machine
Jane's Addiction

Modern Pop:

Tina Turner

Americana/Blues/Reggae:

Los Lobos
Lucinda Williams
Junior Parker
Johnny Winter
Peter Tosh
Fela

Punk:

MC5
Black Flag
Bad Brains

Prog:

Jethro Tull
Procol Harum
Emerson, Lake & Palmer

Hip-Hop:

Jay-Z
LL Cool J
Eric B. & Rakim
Afrika Bambaataa
Boogie Down Productions
Sugarhill Gang

Electronic:

Kraftwerk

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 08/13/2020 @ 23:37pm


Hey Everyone,

Does anyone actually know when the FRL will actually put up the section or whatever for 2021 predictions. I know that the cycle was all screwed up by the Pandemic, Some of you had theories on when Official predictions for 2021 would begin in its own section and when the Nominees would be announced down the line. It's clear Nominees will not be announced in October. I just want to know if anyone knows anything concrete about a section here for 2021 predictions. Is section the right word. Maybe the FRL people in charge can respond to this post. It will probably be some time. I would think a 2021 predictions section/forum would pop up by December. Some of you should respond.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 08/19/2020 @ 05:10am


Has anyone looked at Troy Smith's lists lately? I'm a bit annoyed by them is anyone having that feeling?

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 08/19/2020 @ 09:37am


So i just want to ask again about when the 2021 predictions Section would start. Normally that Section starts In Middle August. Could we say it is delayed by 3 months to November. It actually may not start up until about Feb 2021. Things are pushed over 6 months. It would be cooool to not be Solo on this Topic. I recall the plan is to Now always have the Ceremony In November. The acts this year got jipped with Normal Live Performances and Presentations . Future years wlll be fine BUT each November

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 08/19/2020 @ 10:13am


What I'm currently expecting for the nominees of next year's class to look like if it's similar to the last one.

The Buzzcocks
Mott the Hopple/Ian Hunter
Kraftwerk
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Pat Benatar
The Smiths
Duran Duran
Rage Against The Machine
Dionne Warwick
Mariah Carey
Willie Nelson
Boston
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy

Who would make it the most?

Boston
Pat Benatar
Thin Lizzy
Dionne Warwick
The Smiths
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 08/19/2020 @ 11:03am


The Dude,

As much as I love Dionne Warwick, I just don't see her ever getting nominated (let alone being inducted) into the Rock Hall, I think that Tina Turner is far more likely to get nominated and inducted for the 2021 class than Dionne IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 08/19/2020 @ 12:31pm


Have to agree with richie here. They've had many years to nominate Ms. Warwick & they just haven't. I think she should have been in years ago. Looks like if she ever does get in, it will be posthumous. Sad, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 08/19/2020 @ 14:45pm


Troy Smith made his MVP of every rock hall class so let me put my hat in the ring!

1986-Chuck Berry
1987-Aretha Franklin
1988-The Beatles
1989-The Rolling Stones
1990-The Who
1991-The Byrds
1992-Jimi Hendrix/Johnny Cash
1993-CCR
1994-Elton John/Bob Marley/John Lennon
1995-Led Zeppelin
1996-Pink Floyd/David Bowie
1997-Joni Mitchell
1998-Eagles
1999-Bruce Springsteen
2000-Eric Clapton (I will die on a hill and say he deserves it)
2001-Michael Jackson
2002-Ramones
2003-The Clash
2004-Prince
2005-U2
2006-Black Sabbath
2007-R.E.M.
2008-Madonna
2009-Metallica
2010-The Stooges
2011-Alice Cooper
2012-Beastie Boys
2013-Public Enemy
2014-Nirvana
2015-Green Day
2016-N.W.A.
2017-Pearl Jan
2018-Nina Simone
2019-Radiohead
2020-Biggie Smalls

Future MVPs?:
2021-Jay-Z
2022-Eminem
If you have any opinions on why I chose these MVPs, feel free to ask! :)

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 08/21/2020 @ 01:57am


Plebian,

That is a Coool awesome MVP list. Is. That yours or Troy Smith's. Like you I would die on a hill and say he deserves it. I'm a huge ERIC Clapton fan. One of the biggest. Clearly he is my favorite guitarist of allll time. After that I can certainly agree with 2001- Michael Jackson. 2002-Ramones 2003- The Clash . 2005-U2 2006-Black Sabbath . 2007-R.E.M. 2008-Madonna. Among others .

But I do disagree with 2010-The Stooges and 2012-Beastie Boys. 2010 should be Genesis and 2012 GUNS nRoses. 2013 i am torn between PUBLIC. ENEMY and Rush. Yes I'm not a Big Rap fan but I know Public Enemy are a key name in Rap. and I heard a couple songs of. PUBLIC. Enemy.
Everyone ignored my question. About the 2021 prediction section.. Maybe you can be the first to answer and guess that.

Posted by Ben on Friday, 08/21/2020 @ 12:05pm


Plebian,

I'm with you on most of those! The only ones that I would change are:

1992 - Johnny Cash
1994 - Elton John
1996 - David Bowie
1998 - Fleetwood Mac
2002 - Talking Heads
2006 - Miles Davis
2011 - Tom Waits (I feel like we don't discuss enough how downright bizarre the 2011 induction class was)
2012 - Guns N Roses (barely)
2017 - Pearl Jam/Tupac

Posted by RG on Friday, 08/21/2020 @ 12:46pm


RG and Plebian,

What are your current predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 08/21/2020 @ 12:53pm


Richie the robot...not every post needs to gravitate back to your core subject, my friend. You are a sucker for nominees...so I will give an off the cuff prediction

Bad Company
Duran Duran
Smashing Pumpkins
Kraftwerk
Alice in Chains
Pat Benatar
Monkees
Jay Z
Mariah Carey
Rage Against the Machine
Eurythmics
Jethro Tull
Commodores
Iron Maiden
Sublime
the B52s
Foreigner
Motley Crue

I realize it's rock heavy, but this is my gut at the second with a little wish list thrown it slightly

Posted by K-Dawg on Friday, 08/21/2020 @ 13:07pm


Another Spotify Listeners list - Here are the top & bottom 25 inductees by monthly Spotify listeners (in millions), as well as the 10 that are smack dab in the middle of the list:

1. Queen - 32.42
2. Elton John - 23.68
3. The Beatles - 23.09
4. Michael Jackson - 22.70
5. Whitney Houston - 20.53
6. The Rolling Stones - 19.23
7. Red Hot Chili Peppers - 18.57
8. AC/DC - 17.84
9. Guns N Roses - 17.42
10. Fleetwood Mac - 17.33
11. Green Day - 16.52
12. Bon Jovi - 15.91
13. Metallica - 15.03
14. Stevie Wonder - 14.83
15. U2 - 14.77
16. Billy Joel - 14.31
17. The Police - 14.26
18. Aerosmith - 14.22
19. David Bowie - 14.09
20. Led Zeppelin - 14.01
21. Nirvana - 13.93
22. Bob Marley - 13.85
23. Eagles - 13.65
24. Creedence Clearwater Revival - 13.49
25. Madonna - 13.45
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109. Donna Summer - 4.11
110. The Pretenders - 4.10
111. Dusty Springfield - 4.05
112. Joni Mitchell - 3.99
113. Alice Cooper - 3.98
114. Ray Charles - 3.96
115. The Isley Brothers - 3.90
116. Peter Gabriel - 3.89
117. Chuck Berry - 3.88
118. The Velvet Underground - 3.87
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202. Bo Diddley - 0.57
203. Bobby "Blue" Bland - 0.56
204. Albert King - 0.48
205. The Flamingos - 0.40
206. Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers - 0.39
207. Carl Perkins - 0.37
208. The Ventures - 0.33
209. Duane Eddy - 0.32
210. Little Anthony & The Imperials - 0.32
211. Darlene Love - 0.29
212. Gene Pitney - 0.29
213. Gene Vincent - 0.27
214. Lloyd Price - 0.22
215. The Dells - 0.22
216. LaVern Baker - 0.17
217. Big Joe Turner - 0.15
218. Ruth Brown - 0.13
219. Laura Nyro - 0.12
220. Jimmy Reed - 0.11
221. Dave Clark Five - 0.11 (As far as I can tell their catalog was only put on Spotify about a year ago, which would account for them being so much lower than their contemporaries.)
222. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - 0.11
223. Little Willie John - 0.08
224. The Moonglows - 0.07
225. Clyde McPhatter - 0.06
226. Hank Ballard - 0.02

Posted by RG on Friday, 08/21/2020 @ 15:49pm


RG and Ben,

Thanks for the feedback! :) Also Ben I think we need more time for the Hall to make a decision about the pandemic. Then we will get our old show on the roll. P.S. Most of Clapton's stuff is with other people, but his solo work still manages to stand on its own. Plus he stands out the most among the class.

Also Richie,

We love you here, but let's sit back and talk about other things.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 08/21/2020 @ 17:37pm


Plebian,

Thanks for the Response on the 2021 predictions plan. Thats what I call it. But yes I agree the Hall needs more time to make a decision about the Pandemic. And in turn the FRL will decide what they do. Soo it will be awhile. Well We know the Ceremony. is Now Nov. 7. So I would say we are looking at about a 6 month delay. And our predictions and whole show on the roll. And yes Clapton has done stuff with other people .I suppose most of his stuff is with other people but we do agree his solo work is great. He does stand out the most in the 2000 class.
I agree with most of your MVP's I agree with all the ones up to 2001. Right up thru Bruce Springsteen, Eric Clapton and Michael Jackson. But I want to change these.

2006-Miles Davis
2010-Genesis
2012-Guns N'Roses
2015-Stevie Ray Vaughan
2016-Chicago
2018-The Moody Blues
2019-Def Leppard
2020- Whitney Houston

Posted by Ben on Friday, 08/21/2020 @ 18:53pm


So since the class of 2020 is being inducted in 2021, does that mean there won't be a class of 2021?

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 08/22/2020 @ 16:06pm


Anon,

Nope. The Class of 2020 is being inducted in the fall of 2020 instead of the spring. So will the 2021 class, and so on.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 08/22/2020 @ 16:52pm


RG,

Thats right you tell him. In Fact the Class of 2020 is being inducted on Nov. 7, 2020. And the 2021 class will be inducted in Nov and so on.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 08/23/2020 @ 20:42pm


Plebian,

I want to say again that you had an amazing list there.of MVP's I agree with alll up to 2001. I changed some after. I noted that you chose Joni Mitchell for 1997. I don't if you are big fan or just felt MVP for her. But thats impressive you know who that is Well. Also you inspired me just now to Download Public Enemy. I've known them since 1988. They are talented Rap. That's Not a bad statement coming from a Rock guy like me. Kiss are a runner up to Nirvana for 2014. I left Nirvana like you have because of the immense influence. I don't feel it about Green Day as MVP. I change that to Stevie Ray Vaughan. One of the greatest guitarists of all time. Bravo with your list.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 08/24/2020 @ 06:50am


Just wanted to say, if you thought Jackie Jackson and Mike Dirnt sharing a birthday is weird, look at today. Walter Williams,
Gene Simmons, Elvis Costello, Vivian Campbell, and Terminator X all share a birthday today.

I didn't know where else to put this.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 08/25/2020 @ 09:48am


The Hall is losing out some of their employees? If they're having trouble bringing a certain amount of guests back right now, then it's not only because of the pandemic, it's also their recent bad business decisions. That's what happens when you don't listen to your consumers after rigging both the kiosk and the online fan ballot. Karma is a beast!

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 08/26/2020 @ 08:38am


@The Dude

Except, I don't think the kiosk or the online fan ballot voting ever stated to guarantee a nomination or induction. I can't really fault them for not always going with the winners of each. It did clearly piss off a lot of fans though and the fact that the Hall ignored the winner of both the kiosk and the online ballot in the same year only doubled that fan frustration and made it seem even worse.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 08/26/2020 @ 08:57am


@ Steve Z

Both are made to guarantee a nomination and/or induction. Is just that the Hall acts like if the presidential campaign happens yearly. Running a Hall of Fame is much more like running theme parks than ya think. If you've build something for the MASSES, then you need to be consumer-friendly and listen to them what they want in order to draw crowds. But that doesn't mean I don't want acts that lack mainstream popularity. If we had Roxy Music and Def Leppard last year, then we should get Mötley Crue and Kraftwerk in the future.

Posted by The Dude on Wednesday, 08/26/2020 @ 09:42am


@The Dude

Both are made to make fans involved in the process and have their voices heard, but neither have ever stated that the #1 pick will surefire receive a nom or induction. The online vote winners become one single "fan" ballot that gets sent in, but I think it's likely that DMB missed out on a lot of other ballots. I don't disagree that the Rock Hall plays dirty politics and that they could be more consumer friendly, but the fact is is that neither the kiosk nor the fan vote have ever claimed to get the #1 vote getter in. Should they? Probably. We'll see what happens this year but I think the nom com brings DMB back this go around and if Crue tops the #1 spot in the kiosk again, they'll bring them in too.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 08/26/2020 @ 12:22pm


Steve,

Exactly! I am sure that there is corruption in the institution, but the Fan Vote and ESPECIALLY the kiosk have never been billed as an automatic nomination/induction. The induction vote in particular, unlike the nominations, is not done by a committee decision, it's by hundreds of voters sending in ballots. Just because the DMB has an extremely committed group of fans that are highly motivated and mobilized to vote for them in an online poll doesn't mean that their support is broadly shared across the voting body.

I also think, Dude, that you are overestimating the number of people who care enough about this institution and the intricacies of the induction process. The Hall is in trouble because a) COVID, b) Rock is not in the cultural zeitgeist the way it used to be, and c) It's located in a declining Rust Belt city with little else in the way of tourist attractions. I promise you that the army of disaffected Motley Crue fans is nowhere near as much of a factor.

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 08/26/2020 @ 13:01pm


I think that the 80's New Wave/Alternative act that will get nominated/inducted this year coming up for 2021 will be either Eurythmics, The B-52's, The Smiths, Devo, Pixies, Sonic Youth or The Replacements, I think that it's highly likely that one of these acts that I just mentioned will get the 80's New Wave/Alternative slot this year coming up for 2021 because all of them have either been previously nominated (Eurythmics, The Smiths, Devo and The Replacements) or previously considered (The B-52's, Pixies and Sonic Youth). As much as I love Duran Duran, The problem that I have with them is that they aren't on the previously considered list (which is a strong reminder for a nomination at some point), so because of that, I think that it's more likely that the 80's New Wave/Alternative slot this year coming up for 2021 will go to either Eurythmics, The B-52's, The Smiths, Devo, Pixies, Sonic Youth or The Replacements rather than Duran Duran IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 08/26/2020 @ 18:56pm


I've came to report on The Go-Gos documentary on Showtime. It's standard rock documentary flair and not much is added about them that was not covered in the Behind The Music series. The documentary emphasizes their exclusion from the Rock Hall, but how the documentary tries to justify them is weak. My friend said it best on an Andy Warhol quote on how The Go-Gos only really had 15 minutes of fame or what not. I'm not gonna condemn those that want them in, but I'm not totally convinced still. What do you guys think? I still have them as part of the class from my predictions. Feel free to express your opinion :)

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 08/27/2020 @ 14:27pm


Richie,
I like your selections for the possible New Wave /Alternative genre nominations for next year. I would say any of those could receive a nom, and I think there may be about 3 bands or artists that get nominations. I see you did not include The Go- Go's who I believe have as good of a chance as the acts you mention, and I would also have to include Kate Bush in the mix as well.
If I were to rate this group of Bands/ Artists according to who I feel are most deserving, and not who I think the voting committee would favor, I would go with:

1. - The B-52's
2. - Devo
3. - The Go-Go's
4. - Kate Bush
5. - Eurythmics
6. - Duran Duran
7. - The Smiths
8. - The Replacements
9. - Sonic Youth
10.- Gary Numan
11.- The Pixies
12.- Siouxee and the Banshees

OK, had to throw in a couple more influential, pioneering artists to make it an even 12..

___

Posted by Will N. on Thursday, 08/27/2020 @ 21:58pm


My list must not have been impressive or else too pedestrian. Haven't heard a single comment or feedback on it...

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 08/30/2020 @ 01:36am


K-Dawg,

I will give you feedback on your list. I get disappointed when there is No feedback to my posts. I like your list. It's a cool list. We have 7 in common. Bad Company,Pat Benatar, Duran Duran etc. We both even chose Kraftwerk. The ones I left out are feasible. I didn't pick the Monkees, Commodores,B52s and Foreigner. I was close to picking those 4 on my own list. Although they fall short for me they can easily happen. B52s is a good new wave choice and Foreigner is a good arena rock nominee. But with Foreigner I don't think the Hall wants a conflict with Bad Company. The Hall seems to push one Arena pop rock band at a time. But it's possible. I actually I skipped Motley Crue. Thats only because of the fiasco last year. Motley Crue are a terrific choice but I chose other Heavy Metal choices. Now in another genre I chose Cher as a pop diva choice, She has certainly been around a long time.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 08/30/2020 @ 07:58am


Richie,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner (solo)
10. Foo Fighters
11. John Prine
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Motörhead
14. Joy Division/New Order
15. Dave Matthews Band
16. Thin Lizzy
17. Eurythmics
18. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
19. MC5
20. Beck
21. Jay Z
22. Weezer
23. Phish
24. Cher
25. The Go-Gos
26. Soundgarden
27. Judas Priest

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 07.18.20 @ 17:12pm

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08/30/2020 @ 08:34am


K-Dawg,

Here's more feedback. Our 80's picks are similar. I do like my share of 80s for sure. We agree with Pat Benatar and Duran Duran. I am actually still considering B52s. They have a career that should be acknowledged in some way. Over the years I have owned some of theirs. I own currently Cosmic Thing. This is feedback on your 80s. I've been focusing on 80s acts in the Hall.
I feel that after a resurgence of 1970s in 2016 that the trend is towards 80s. You can give me feedback to your feedback. Plebian's MVP's came along at the same time as your list. We can chat about it. Hey that's right you were a big fan of my Old inductee series a months back. We know eachother's tastes and views on acts for the Hall.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 08/31/2020 @ 04:37am


The Go-Gos documentary may push them for Rock Hall consideration, which they may join these bands who had documentaries before being inducted:

Rush-Beyond the Light and Darkness (2010), inducted in 2013
Whitney Houston-Whitney (2018), inducted in 2020
Nina Simone-What Happened, Miss Simone? (2015), inducted 2018

OR they can have a huge film that propels them to get in:
N.W.A.-Straight Outta Compton (2015), inducted in 2016

Just a nice observation
(If you want to know my opinion on the Go-Gos doc and the band itself, just find the post that says Plebian under my name :))

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 08/31/2020 @ 21:14pm


Plebeian,

Re: The Go-Gos documentary and if it will help push the Go-Gos into the Rock Hall:

I must admit that Idea is certainly an interesting thought. Of course, the documentary about Rush was "Rush: Beyond the Lighted Stage" and it had been released in 2010, almost 3 years prior to Rush's induction. If a documentary is needed for an induction into the Rock Hall, then Duran Duran has multiple documentaries, but their most recent one, "Duran Duran: There's Something You Should Know," (2018) had really received a great deal of attention, even from heavy metal/hard rock enthusiast and long-time supporter Eddie Trunk who having seen the aforementioned documentary, believes that Duran Duran deserves an induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, as well. Do we really believe that a band with more than a 40 year history is really a new wave band; are we really that naive?


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Tuesday, 09/1/2020 @ 02:23am


Isn't Duran Duran a new wave band? They stated they were, I checked Allmusic, looked into Wikipedia, and saw the Behind the Music episode. Where did you get this thought? It seems like you are trying to be revised their highly non-acceptable genre to your prog rock tastes.
(Not trying to be mean. I want to know why.)

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 09/1/2020 @ 12:41pm


Duran Duran is a new wave band, but they considered themselves as prog for certain reasons. They're actually both since some bands back in the 80's like Yes and Genesis incorporated elements of those genres.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 09/1/2020 @ 12:52pm


September Update on 2021 predictions

The Inductees:
Pat and Neil (1 Nom)
The Go-Gos (FYE)
Jay-Z (FYE)
The Smashing Pumpkins (FYE)
Bad Company (FYE)
If 6:Foo Fighters (FYE)
If 7:Joy Division/New Order (FYE)

The nominees:
Chaka Kahn/Rufus (6 total noms)
Motörhead (1 Nom)
The Spinners (3 Noms)
Big Star (1 Nom)
RATM (2 Noms)
MC5 (5 Noms)
B-52s (1 Nom)
Duran Duran (1 Nom)
Todd Rundgren (2 Noms)
Soundgarden (1 Nom)
Kraftwerk (6 Noms)

ME:
Ashford And Simpson
Big Mama Thornton

My personal 2021 Class:
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
RATM
Kraftwerk
Joy Division/New Order
The Smashing Pumpkins

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 09/1/2020 @ 21:50pm


Plebeian,

Oh, this argument again?

By the way, It is plainly stated on both the Duran Duran website under Timeline and Current Biography, and in an article from the Telegraph titled, "Duran Duran, 37 years on: 'We believe in this brand much as we ever have."

That article includes this statement:

"The resolidified foursome have remained intact now for four albums and 15 years. They see themselves as back for good, and as a modern, progressive band. And they are prepared to put in the legwork to underpin their relevance and vitality."

From their website:

"We have been through a lot together" John Taylor adds, "and now it's very much a case of 'Know thyself.' At this point in our career, it's about being really in touch with your identity, and drawing strength from the knowledge that you've all been on this incredible journey, a journey that is still going on. I think you can hear that in the new songs; we're still learning things from and about each other, personally as well as musically." For John, the most satisfying thing about the new album is that it captures the duality, the sense of conflict, at the heart of the band's music. "In the original blueprint for the band, there was this dark, slightly progressive side to us, and it tended to get a little bit trampled on by the poptastic aspect. In that desire for pop satisfaction, you can forget what you set out to do. The new record really goes back to that strange early Duran mix: the hard-edged pop, coexisting with this dark, weird, experimental side." "That's something that's essential to all of us," agrees Nick. "It's great to be able to lift people's spirits – and your own – with a strong shot of pure pop, but the world we live in isn't all just made of that stuff, so it seems natural to me, and has done since the very beginning, that we have kept, and still keep, one foot in the darker, more Gothic side of life."

I have never heard the members of Duran Duran refer to themselves as being "new wave," although I have heard them being referred to as being "new romantics."

By the way, The Duran Duran page on this website elucidates numerous more examples.


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 00:50am


I....alright fine...they are a "prog" band to you, but their roots are still lingering in New Wave/New Romantics/Synthpop. Unless The Dude and others give me sources, they are still New Wave to me. Let's leave it at that.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 01:29am


Ok. This Duran Duran has gone on a long time. This conflict of whether they are New Wave or Prog. Let me ask this during 1982-1985. were they considered New Wave or Prog. The answer-Duran Duran were known worldwide as an English New Wave band. I was a teenager at that time. Soo did Duran Duran do interviews strictly 1982-1985 in which they state they are Prog?This is at the height of their original popularity. I say Not. Around 2004,2005 they could have declared themselves a Modern Progressive band. Ahh but what about around 1984 I Say Not. In 1982-85 Duran Duran were known as New Wave, A good one but New Wave.
I looked at DD website. I learned Duran Duran get the opening slot on Blondie's Tracks Across America tour in 1982. The CNE venue in Toronto has over 30,000 fans in the audience, the largest the band have done.
I also learned that in 1983
Duran Duran fly to New York City and perform "Hungry Like The Wolf" and "Girls on Film" on Saturday Night Live.

"Hungry Like The Wolf" peaks at #1 in Canada.

Duran Duran's Video 45 with videos for "Girls on Film" and "Hungry Like The Wolf" is released in US. The VHS contains the MTV-friendly version of "Girls on Film", while the Beta format has the uncensored Night Version.ver played to up to this point. They became huge.in 1983 as a New Wave band.

I just learned these facts on the Duran Duran website. There is no mention in the 80s of DD as Prog. I usually side with Enig. But it seems a bit off the mark. In the 80s years they were New Wave. Perhaps in 2004 DD declared themselves Prog. Therefore they can be both. There you go

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 08:17am


I think Duran Duran is a pop band :-)

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 08:53am


Enigmaticus,

Genuine question. What music do you like that you DON'T consider Prog?

Posted by RG on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 09:38am


Happy 25th anniversary Rock Hall! You're not perfect and we kick you no matter what, but the joys of Rock N' Roll live on in you!

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 09:47am


Hey, also genuine question: what's our relationship with the Rock Hall? We tend to slug them all the time, but do we still like it? I'm seeing some Stockholm syndrome lately.

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 09:52am


I think of Duran Duran as a pop band with art Rock and prog influences. They can be both and are both.

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 09:55am


It's great that the Hall added NIN's additional members. Wish they could do the same with ELO and Steve Miller, as well as add the abandoned backing bands like the Belmonts, Wailers, Silver Bullet Band, Mothers of Invention, Big Brother & the Holding Company, Wings, etc.

They should re-add John Gustafson to Roxy Music too, while we're at it. Him appearing and then disappearing is the greatest snub, in my opinion.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 10:30am


...Or the most disrespectful, at the very least.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 10:31am


Steve Z, that has LONG been a complaint of mine. Especially for Steve Miller, Bob Seger and Paul McCartney. The RRHOF gets right the fact that it inducts so many genres and eras. It gets wrong many things too, but this one is a glaring omission.

Duran Duran, to me, is new wave. They came up in the era, had their biggest success in the early 80s, and was a contemporary of the more synth oriented Depeche Mode. They have pop elements, but so do the B52s, Eurythmics, and Wang Chung, and you don't see people lumping them in with Madonna and Janet Jackson.

Hell, in the 80s, the pop charts were dominated by rock acts, so really, is there a true definition of pop music? Pop is supposed to be short for popular, right? Kind of crazy it now gets shunted into its own category, that some purists think has no place in the Hall when in the 60s and 70s, the same sounding stuff was very much embraced...

Posted by K Dawg on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 11:16am


K-Dawg,
I often agree with ya.First I will say that I gave feedback on your recent prediction list. We both have ones like Pat Benatar, Duran Duran and even Kraftwerk. Anyway Hell yes the 80s pop charts were dominated by rock acts. There is not really a true definition of pop. It gets shunted? I i don't know what that is. So I will change those words. It now gets PUT into its own category. and purists think it has no place in the Hall when in the 60s and 70s pop type stuff was embraced. I am not sure what age group you are. Due to the wide array of people on here. You could have been in your early 20s during the 80s like me or your parents were in their 20s during the 80s. Either way you know a lot about the older decades. I recall you just slightly younger than me. Hear from ya

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 14:51pm


I'll post my updated predictions again in case any did not see it.

The Inductees:
The Go-Gos
Smashing Pumpkins
Pat and Neil
Jay-Z
Bad Company
If 6: Foo Fighters
If 7: Joy Division/New Order

The nominees:
B-52s
MC5
Chaka Khan/Rufus
Motörhead
Big Star
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
The Spinners
RATM
Kraftwerk

Posted by Plebian on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 20:22pm


Plebian,
I think your list is pretty spot on.. I love your inclusion of Smashing Pumpkins(kind of a wild card), Pat and Neil, The Go-Go's(they are due), Bad Company(overlooked for awhile), and going out on a limb with Joy Division/New Order.. (We could only hope, but maybe in that Roxy Music/ T, Rex lane). You also have B-52's in the mix(Fan favorite for sure),Motorhead(strong voter support), Soundgarden(same and deserves induction soon), and the returning nominees who can't seem to get over the hump, MC5, Rufus/Chaka Khan, Kraftwerk, and Todd Rundgren. Great choices, but are they going to continue to be leapfrogged by these other strong candidates. For myself, I would prefer The Commodores over The Spinners, Thin Lizzy over MC5, and I think Judas Priest or Jethro Tull needs to be in there somewhere. Some of these bands are just way overdue for a nomination or induction.
But overall, I believe you present a very realistic and logical set of qualifying nominees and inductees..

Posted by Will N. on Wednesday, 09/2/2020 @ 21:55pm


KING SEPTEMBER 3, 2020 Rock & Roll HOF Nominees Update (20)
1. Duran Duran
2. Judas Priest
3. Procol Harum
4. Soundgarden
5. Diana Ross
6. Bad Company
7. Pat Benatar
8. Motley Crue
9. Kool & The Gang
10. Gram/Emmylou
11. Scorpions
12. The Spinners
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. Jay-Z
15. Smashing Pumpkins
16. Bryan Adams
17. The Eurythmics
18. Lenny Kravitz
19. Iron Maiden
20. The Go-Go's
KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 09/3/2020 @ 02:17am


Patrick Moore (aka Zoot Marimba/The Music Zamboni) made his predictions for the 2021 ballot today and his predictions are:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Kraftwerk
The Monkees
New York Dolls
John Prine
Todd Rundgren
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Now, If Patrick's predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 09/3/2020 @ 22:13pm


Zoot Marimba/The Music Zamboni made his predictions for the 2021 ballot today and his predictions are:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Kraftwerk
The Monkees
New York Dolls
John Prine
Todd Rundgren
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Now, If his predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 09/3/2020 @ 23:10pm


"The Hall is in trouble because a) COVID, b) Rock is not in the cultural zeitgeist the way it used to be, and c) It's located in a declining Rust Belt city with little else in the way of tourist attractions. I promise you that the army of disaffected Motley Crue fans is nowhere near as much of a factor."

- RG

That's not enough to prove why the Rock Hall had layoffs recently. It's like saying the political pressures have nothing to do with Hollywood's badly deep financial state (In fact, it's possible we might a see decline of the "wokeness" cause of that). Mötley Crue are the real pioneers of "glam metal" who sold over a 100 million copies worldwide and they're also on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, making it an easy act to capitalize the Rock Hall and draw more crowds to stay relevant. The fanbase also had an expansion with newer and younger listeners thanks to their movie on Netflix.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 09/4/2020 @ 08:35am


Zoot Marimba/The Music Zamboni made his predictions for the 2021 ballot yesterday and his predictions are:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Kraftwerk
The Monkees
New York Dolls
John Prine
Todd Rundgren
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Now, If his predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 09/4/2020 @ 10:29am


https://www.robertfeder.com/2020/09/03/iheartmedia-blows-webgs-country-format-new-rock-95-five/

iHeartMedia blows up WEBG's country format for new 'Rock 95 Five'

"Targeting primarily male listeners between 25 and 54, the new format will feature such artists as Nirvana, Guns N' Roses, Linkin Park, AC/DC, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Def Leppard and Foo Fighters, in addition to Metallica and Mötley Crüe."

Rock Radio has finally been returned in Chicago!

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 09/4/2020 @ 11:31am


Congrats Dude! If only they don't follow terrestrial radio's format of being stuck in a couple hundred songs in a loop. This is the problem with free radio ;/

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 09/4/2020 @ 15:29pm


Greg F., Plebian, K-Dawg, RG, Ben, KING and others,

Zoot Marimba/The Music Zamboni made his predictions for the 2021 ballot yesterday and his predictions are:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Kraftwerk
The Monkees
New York Dolls
John Prine
Todd Rundgren
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Now, If his predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 09/4/2020 @ 15:53pm


Richie,

You've worn me down. I'll bite.

Inductees:
Pat Benatar - Likely a narrow miss last year that voters will be motivated to induct.
Duran Duran - Keeping up the trend of big, very popular New Wave acts.
Foo Fighters - Obvious choice
Jay-Z - Obvious choice
The Monkees - May be controversial, but I see it. They have the hits, they're generally liked and would be the only 60s artist on the ballot, plus the Rock vs. Pop split doesn't really matter the way it used to given some of the other inducted artists.
Tina Turner - She has taken a while to nominate because of the double inductee factor, but I think once she finally gets on a ballot solo, plenty of voters will be like "Yeah, obviously she should be in there" and vote for her. (Like Stevie Nicks but better.)

If 7:
Todd Rundgren - This ballot is pretty light on the mainstream 60s/70s classic rock compared to some of the last few years, I could see him sneaking in.

Also Possible:
Dave Matthews Band - I think that if they are on the ballot, the exact same thing will happen as last year. They will win the fan vote, they won't get in, the fans will be pissed. (Which is why I think they won't be on the ballot...) However there is a possibility that voters will respond to the backlash by reevaluating their stance on DMB.
The Go-Go's - It's very possible that they could get in, but I think that they would narrowly miss out in favor of Benatar and Duran Duran in this scenario, but would be set up for an easy induction in 2022.
John Prine - He has been nominated, and has the "just died" thing going for him, but I think he was always somewhat of a longshot. Much less of a longshot now.
Soundgarden - I think they would once again suffer from having another big 90s alt rock artist on the ballot (Foo Fighters). Would also be an easy induction in 2022.

Unlikely:
Eurythmics - I think there will be some vote splitting between them, Duran Duran, Kraftwerk, The Go-Go's, and Benatar and they will miss out for now.
Iron Maiden - If Priest can't do it, what chance does Maiden have?
Kraftwerk - What's changed?
New York Dolls - An obvious successor to the Roxy/T Rex slot, who both got in. However the Dolls were more influential than they were popular, which would limit their chances.
Sonic Youth - I just don't think the votes are there for some of these 80s alternative groups that didn't have any big hits. Once we get some more 90s/00s alternative artists in the voting body is when I would expect Sonic Youth to have a real shot.

Posted by RG on Friday, 09/4/2020 @ 16:59pm


Not to gloat, but still going by mine. I think I have a more optimistic and realistic ballot.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 09/4/2020 @ 20:14pm


Plebian,

Just in case I missed it, but what are your latest predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees again?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 09/4/2020 @ 21:32pm


I have not posted here in a long time. I was once very active making comments for the induction of my favorite band The Moody Blues.
I come here to read comments from time to time and felt the need to express my thoughts on the 2021 nominees.
For 2021 I can see a good possibility of induction for Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Tod Rundgren, Jay-Z and Foo Fighters.
Tina Turner deserves a chance solo for sure and a possible choice on the ballot. Also Dave Mathews considering how well they did on the fan poll for 2020.
Why no mention here for Jethro Tull or The Guess Who?
Now that The Moodies are in it is pretty obvious the it is time for Tull. I think it past time for them. It would be nice if they were inducted sooner rather than later as Ian has COPD. I would hate to think it would be a repeat of what happened to The Moody Blues when original member Ray Thomas passed away before the ceremony. Justin Hayward did say in an interview that Ray knew before he died that they got inducted....FINALLY. I read that Tull influenced Iron Maiden and Rush. Several top hits include Aqualung, Thick as a Brick and Songs from the Wood. Jethro Tull won a Grammy in 1989.
As far as The Guess Who they had the early lineup of Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings and several other members came in and out of the band over the years. Several top hits including American woman, These eyes, No sugar tonight and Undun. Now that Rush has been inducted they would vote for a fellow Canadian band.
A few other possible picks for 2021 include Devo, Warren Zevon, OutKast, The Spinners, and The Scorpions
I think the result of Covid19 has impacted everything in our world today and that includes the RRHOF. Hopefully they can hang on and come back. Perhaps during this time the people who make decisions at the RRHOF will be productive and review the many mistakes made in the past and make positive changes for the future. I for one will not give up on hope. I enjoy reading the comments,
Thank you for taking time to read mine
.

Posted by Sue on Friday, 09/4/2020 @ 23:06pm


Again, here is my September update on the 2021 class predictions:

The Go-Gos (New doc + reunion + more woman, easy)
Pat and Neil (Coming for vengeance after last time. Hopefully she secured a spot)
Jay-Z (Slam dunk. Nothing more.)
Smashing Pumpkins (My wildcard pick, they have critical love and popular hits plus are still known in pop culture)
Bad Company (Obligatory Classic Rock pick that will get the boomers wet)
If 6: Foo Fighters (Dave Grohl. 'Nuff said)
If 7: Joy Division/New Order (Depeche Mode, NIN, and The Cure really secure this one. The T-Rex/Roxy Music pick)

The Nominees:
Rufus/Chaka Khan-Questlove is just being stubborn
MC5-Tom Morello is just being stubborn
Kraftwerk-Even with Florian dead, still no backing
Motörhead-Heavy Metal pick that replaces Judas Priest
Big Star-A really out there one
B-52s- There is clearly fan support from this from the FRL website and Twitter. The band even has our support. However, they may be perceived as too
weird
Soundgarden-They have ton of passion and Chris is very beloved. Although, Vicky and the band gotta settle their differences or else their 35th anniversary will be a disaster
Todd Rundgren-Lambasting the Hall is justified, but sometimes you gotta kiss ass unfortunately. A lot of people (including me) gotta remember that. (Also side note, to fellow Rock Hall Watchers we can't always get what we want no matter what.)
RATM-Having very Marxist views can be worrisome, but they have support to be on the ballot
The Spinners-Added just cause why not?

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 09/4/2020 @ 23:29pm


Sue,

Welcome back to this forum. Yes, you would have thought that by now, Jethro Tull would have received a nomination for entry into the Rock Hall. But that was not to be. Since, Jann Wenner has stepped down, not a single major "prog" band has been nominated. Jann Wenner, whether we liked to admit it or not, has arguably been one of our "prog" advocates, along with Rick Krim and Steven Van Zandt.

Hopefully, the Rock Hall Nominating Committee will be more pro-active and Provide Duran Duran and Jethro Tull With their first nomination and possibly a re-nomination of Procol Harum later this year.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/5/2020 @ 06:28am


Richie, Plebeian and KING,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner (solo)
10. Foo Fighters
11. John Prine
12. Todd Rundgren
13. Motörhead
14. Joy Division/New Order
15. Dave Matthews Band
16. Thin Lizzy
17. Eurythmics
18. Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
19. MC5
20. Beck
21. Jay Z
22. Weezer
23. Phish
24. Cher
25. The Go-Gos
26. Soundgarden
27. Judas Priest

Well, what do you think?

If I were to speculate on the 2021 inductees:

01. Duran Duran
02. Jethro Tull
03. The Bangles
04. Tina Turner (solo)
05. Sade
06. Carly Simon
07. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo

I think that the aforementioned 7 artists have that something extra which definitely needs to be acknowledged by the Hall.

Well, what do you think?

possible wildcards:

Kraftwerk
John Prine
Procol Harum
The Go-Gos
Cher

Those who (in my honest opinion) can definitely wait another another year, at least:

Jay Z
Foo Fighters

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/5/2020 @ 13:54pm


You like anything that's not prog?

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 09/5/2020 @ 19:03pm


The Dude,

You think with added members of NIN plus Depeche Mode will finally have Kraftwerk leap in?

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 09/5/2020 @ 23:03pm


@ Plebian

Could happen. I think the seven members from NIN mostly opened doors for their peers from their era like Soundgarden, Rage Against the Machine, Tool, Korn, and Alice In Chains. I also think it made a big difference for future eligibles who incorporated elements of industrial and/or electronic music within their styles, especially Linkin Park and Muse.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 09/5/2020 @ 23:15pm


Greg F.,

Zoot Marimba/The Music Zamboni made his predictions for the 2021 ballot a couple of days ago and his predictions are:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Kraftwerk
The Monkees
New York Dolls
John Prine
Todd Rundgren
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Now, If his predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 09/6/2020 @ 00:14am


Sue,

Welcome back to the Forum. It is soo cool to have you back. I also agree that you would have thought by Now Jethro Tull would be nominated for entry into the Rock Hall. Why no mention here for Jethro Tull or The Guess Who? That's a good question for sure.
Now that The Moodies are in it is pretty obvious the it is time for Tull. I think it past time for them. I would hate to think it would be a repeat of what happened to The Moody Blues when original member Ray Thomas passed away before the ceremony. Justin Hayward did say in an interview that Ray knew before he died that they got inducted....FINALLY. I read that Tull influenced Iron Maiden and Rush. Several top albums include Aqualung, Thick as a Brick and Songs from the Wood. Jethro Tull won a Grammy in 1987 actually. It was the year of the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal mixup.
As far as The Guess Who they had the early lineup of Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings and several other members came in and out of the band over the years. Several top hits including Undun, American woman, These eyes, No sugar tonight. A personal fav is Bus Rider.
I think a few other possible picks for 2021 include Duran Duran, John Prine, Jay-Z, The Spinners and Bad Company.
I think the Pandemic has affected everything in our world today and that certainly includes the RRH of Fame. I think in this time those in charge are making positive changes for the future. At least to some extent. Hopefully the RH Nominating Committee will provide the Guess Who and Jethro Tull with their first nomination. We shall see.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 09/6/2020 @ 06:54am


Sue,

Welcome back to the Forum. It is soo cool to have you back. I also agree that you would have thought by Now Jethro Tull would be nominated for entry into the Rock Hall. Why no mention here for Jethro Tull or The Guess Who? That's a good question for sure.
Now that The Moodies are in it is pretty obvious the it is time for Tull. I think it past time for them. I would hate to think it would be a repeat of what happened to The Moody Blues when original member Ray Thomas passed away before the ceremony. Justin Hayward did say in an interview that Ray knew before he died that they got inducted....FINALLY. I read that Tull influenced Iron Maiden and Rush. Several top albums include Aqualung, Thick as a Brick and Songs from the Wood. Jethro Tull won a Grammy in 1987 actually. It was the year of the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal mixup.
As far as The Guess Who they had the early lineup of Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings and several other members came in and out of the band over the years. Several top hits including Undun, American woman, These eyes, No sugar tonight. A personal fav is Bus Rider.
I think a few other possible picks for 2021 include Duran Duran, John Prine, Jay-Z, The Spinners and Bad Company.
I think the Pandemic has affected everything in our world today and that certainly includes the RRH of Fame. I think in this time those in charge are making positive changes for the future. At least to some extent. Hopefully the RH Nominating Committee will provide the Guess Who and Jethro Tull with their first nomination. We shall see.

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 09/6/2020 @ 06:54am


Sue,

Welcome back to this forum. Yes, you would have thought that by now, Jethro Tull would have received a nomination for entry into the Rock Hall. But that was not to be. Since, Jann Wenner has stepped down, not a single major "prog" band has been nominated. Jann Wenner, whether we liked to admit it or not, has arguably been one of our "prog" advocates, along with Rick Krim and Steven Van Zandt.

Hopefully, the Rock Hall Nominating Committee will be more pro-active and provide Duran Duran and Jethro Tull with their first nominations and possibly a re-nomination of Procol Harum later this year.

As far as The Guess Who is concerned, my favorite song is 'No Time.' What helps The Guess Who is the recent documentary about Randy Bachman; what may hurt The Guess Who is their chaotic career.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/6/2020 @ 11:40am


THE 2020 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTED MEMBERS

THE BREAKDOWN - GENDER, RACE, ALIVE, DEAD

27 INDUCTEES

26 MEN
1 WOMAN

20 LIVING
7 DEAD

23 WHITE MALE INDUCTEES
1 BLACK AND WHITE MALE INDUCTEE
1 BLACK MALE INDUCTEES
1 BLACK FEMALE INDUCTEE

18 LIVING WHITE MEN
1 LIVING BLACK AND WHITE MAN
1 LIVING BLACK MAN
5 DEAD WHITE MEN
1 DEAD BLACK MAN
1 DEAD BLACK WOMAN

WHITNEY HOUSTON (FEMALE, BLACK, DEAD)

THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G. (MALE, BLACK, DEAD)

T. REX

01. Marc Bolan (MALE, WHITE, DEAD)
02. Steve Currie (MALE, WHITE, DEAD)
03. Mickey Finn (MALE, WHITE, DEAD)
04. Bill Legend (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)

DEPECHE MODE

01. Vince Clarke (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
02. Andy Fletcher (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
03. Dave Gahan (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
04. Martin Gore (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
05. Alan Wilder (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)

NINE INCH NAILS

01. Trent Reznor (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
02. Chris Vrenna (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
03. Danny Lohner (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
04. Atticus Ross (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
05. Robin Finck (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
06. Ilan Rubin (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
07. Alessandro Cortini (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)

THE DOOBIE BROTHERS

01. Jeff "Skunk" Baxter (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
02. John Hartman (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
03. Michael Hossack (MALE, WHITE, DEAD)
04. Tom Johnston (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
05. Keith Knudson (MALE, WHITE, DEAD)
06. Michael McDonald (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
07. John McFee (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)
08. Tiran Porter (MALE, BLACK, ALIVE)
09. Patrick Simmons (MALE, WHITE, ALIVE)

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09/7/2020 @ 07:02am


Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony 2020

Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame will replace the live 35th annual Induction Ceremony with an exclusive special honoring the class of 2020 Inductees. The program will air on HBO and HBO Max Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 8 p.m. EST.

Ticketmaster purchasers will automatically be issued a refund to their account.

The 2021 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony will move to the fall with the 36th Induction Ceremony returning to Cleveland.

https://www.rockhall.com/class-2020-inductees

Posted by Roy on Monday, 09/7/2020 @ 07:17am


Gloria Jones needs to be added as a fifth spot for T. Rex. Seeing Whitney Houston as the only female inductee on this year's class is painfully sad.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 09/7/2020 @ 10:01am


Gloria Jones should be included with T. Rex, but if she is, they should also include Dino Dines, Davy Lutton, & Steve Peregrin Took.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 09/7/2020 @ 10:44am


Would also have Bill Legend not be so lonely during the acceptance speech. Poor guy...

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 09/7/2020 @ 12:17pm


Here's an updated list of the most certified bands in America with the inclusion of albums, singles (both standard and digital), EP's, ringtones, video albums, and single albums.

1. Maroon 5- 124.5 Million
2. Linkin Park- 63.6 Million
3. Florida Georgia Line- 56 Million
4. Twenty One Pilots- 50.5 Million
5. Alabama- 46.8 Million
6. Foreigner- 45.5 Million
7. The Dixie Chicks- 40.8 Million
8. Panic! At the Disco- 38 Million
9. Coldplay- 36.6 Million
10. Dave Matthews Band- 34 Million
11. Rascal Flatts- 33.7 Million
12. Fall Out Boy- 33 Million
13. Zac Brown Band- 32.5 Million
14. Brooks & Dunn- 31 Million
15. Boston- 31 Million
16. Imagine Dragons- 30 Million
17. The Carpenters- 29.6 Million
18. Lady Antebellum- 28.55 Million
19. Nickelback- 27.8 Million
20. Motley Crue- 26.8 Million
21. REO Speedwagon- 26 Million
22. Creed- 26 Million
23. 3 Doors Down- 25. 8 Million
24. Hootie & the Blowfish- 25 Million
25. OneRepublic- 24 Million
26. Sade- 23.5 Million
27. Kansas- 23 Million
28. Matchbox Twenty- 22.7 Million
29. The Fray- 22.5 Million
30. Paramore- 22 Million
31. Fun- 22 Million
32. Smashing Pumpkins- 20.6 Million
33. Daughtry- 20 Million
34. Three Days Grace- 20 Million
35. Dan + Shay- 20 Million
36. The Monkees- 18 Million
37. Stone Temple Pilots- 17.5 Million
38. Styx- 17.5 Million
39. Korn- 17.25 Million
40. Limp Bizkit- 17 Million
41. Casting Crowns- 17 Million
42. Bad Company- 16.650 Million
43. Shinedown - 16.550 Million
44. Disturbed- 16.5 Million
45. Sugarland- 16 Million
46. INXS- 16 Million
47. Wings- 16 Million
48. Poison- 15.750 Million
49. No Doubt- 15.6 Million
50. Alice In Chains- 15.150 Million
51. Foo Fighters- 15.1 Million
52. The Offspring- 15 Million
53. The Cranberries- 15 Million
54. Breaking Benjamin- 15 Million
55. The Band Perry- 14.5 Million
56. Evanescence- 14.5 Million
57. Duran Duran- 14 Million
58. Toto- 14 Million
59. Skillet- 14 Million
60. My Chemical Romance- 13.750 Million
61. Mumford & Sons- 13.5 Million
62. Huey Lewis & the News- 13.5 Million
63. MercyMe- 13.1 Million
64. Counting Crows- 13 Million
65. Whitesnake- 12.650 Million
66. The Killers- 12.6 Million
67. The Jonas Bros- 12.56 Million
68. Survivor- 12.5 Million
69. Blink 182- 12.1 Million
70. Live- 12 Million
71. Little Big Town- 11.5 Million
72. Jethro Tull- 11.5 Million
73. Savage Garden- 11.5 Million
74. Judas Priest- 11.1 Million
75. Scorpions- 11.1 Million
76. All American Rejects- 11.1 Million
77. Loverboy- 11 Million
78. Grand Funk Railroad- 11 Million
79. Owl City- 11 Million
80. Three Dog Night- 11 Million
81. X Ambassadors- 11 Million
82. Old Dominion- 11 Million
83. 5 Seconds of Summer- 11 Million
84. Godsmack- 10.6 Million
85. Cage The Elephant- 10.5 Million
86. 38 Special- 10.5 Million
87. Florence and the Machine- 10.5 Million
88. Bush- 10.5 Million
89. Muse- 10.5 Million
90. Men at Work- 10.5 Million
91. The Black Keys- 10.5 Million
92. Slipknot- 10.2 Million
93. Staind- 10.050 Million
94. Sublime- 10 Million
95. Clean Bandit- 10 Million
96. Tool- 9.8 Million
97. Air Supply- 9.5 Million
98. Foster the People- 9.5 Million
99. Rage Against the Machine- 9.3 Million
100. Goo Goo Dolls- 9.1 Million

System of A Down- 9 Million
Soundgarden- 9 Million
Ratt- 9 Million
Bread- 9 Million
The Neighbourhood- 9 Million
Lonestar- 8.5 Million
Bastille- 8.5 Million
Gym Class Heros- 8.5 Million
Smash Mouth- 8.5 Million
Skid Row- 8.1 Million
Weezer- 8.050 Million
Oasis- 8 Million
Hinder- 8 Million
America- 8 Million
Collective Soul- 8 Million
Plain White T's- 8 Million
Of Monster & Men- 8 Million
10,000 Maniacs- 8 Million
The Eli Young Band- 8 Million
Megadeth- 7.950 Million
Iron Maiden- 7.9 Million
The Black Crows- 7.6 Million
311- 7.750 Million
Blood, Sweat & Tears- 7.5 Million
B-52's- 7.5 Million
Third Eye Blind- 7.5 Million
Awolnation- 7.5 Million
Jefferson Starship- 7.5 Milllion
Supertramp- 7.5 Million
Kool & the Gang- 7.5 Million
Pantera- 7.350 Million
Big & Rich- 7 Million
Quiet Riot- 7 Million
Eurythmics- 7 Million
Cinderella- 7 Million
The Bangles- 6.55 Million
Chevlle- 6.5 Million
Theory Of A Deadman- 6.5 Million
Cultrue Club- 6.5 Million
Telsa- 6.5 Million
Incubus- 6.5 Million
Snow Patrol- 6.5 Million
The Oasis- 6.5 Million
Tears for Fears- 6.5 Million
War- 6.5 Million
Good Charlotte- 6.5 Million
The Lumineers- 6.5 Million
Bon Iver- 6 Million
Seether - 6 Million
Queensrÿche- 6 Million
Foghat- 6 Milllion
Five Finger Death Punch- 6 Million
Portugal. The Man- 5.5 Million
Diamond Rio- 5.5 Million
Steppenwolf- 5.5 Million
Hoobastank- 5.5 Million
Phish- 5.5 Million
Twisted Sister- 5.5 Million
Audioslave- 5.150 Million
Montgomery Gentry- 5 Million
Warrant- 5 Million
Papa Roach- 5 Million
Avenged Sevenfold- 5 Million
Buckcherry- 5 Million
Asia- 5 Million
Yellowcard- 5 Million
The Alan Parsons Project- 5 Million

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 09/10/2020 @ 10:50am


Looking at some of the artists.....yeah I don't know if in the future that the Rock Hall is gonna touch some of those acts with a ten-foot pole.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 09/10/2020 @ 14:55pm


Man, that Maroon 5 success is just staggering.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 09/10/2020 @ 16:52pm


https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Get%20Woke%2C%20Go%20Broke

Since the phrase has become a meme, take it as a friendly reminder on why political correctness and modern standards aren't Rock Hall requirements and should never be as a way to keep certain eligibles off - but diversity still matters though.

Get Woke, Go Broke

"Get Woke, Go Broke" is a phrase coined by the internationally bestselling author John Ringo to express the opinion that when organizations "get woke" to politically correct actions, those same actions usually result in a massive loss of income.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 09/11/2020 @ 12:26pm


Say that to our Official Twitter.....

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 09/11/2020 @ 15:42pm


"Get Woke, Go Broke" = When a thing touches on issues that affect an audience other than just straight white men and it fails commercially, it's obviously because it had the audacity to try to appeal to an audience other than just straight white men. Unless of course it's one of the many times it succeeds commercially, and then its success certainly can't have anything to do with its message or good representation, it's just them pesky Wokes and their Liberal Agenda forcing it down our throats.

Posted by RG on Friday, 09/11/2020 @ 17:31pm


Hey RG and The Dude,

I came up with rules that might improve the Rock Hall. Feel free to give criticism on my new rules.

-When you get nominated 7 times (not in a row, just randomly 7 times), you automatically get in. This might help acts like MC5 and Kraftwerk who have trouble getting in.
-Solo acts are solo; Elton John is just Elton John and David Bowie is just David Bowie simple as that.
-10 member cap limit; Bands/groups can have up to 10 members. Otherwise, they need to choose wisely.
-The fan vote winner gets in; Before you start typing, I feel this rule can really benefit the Hall and audience. Hall gets respect plus publicity and the audience feels like their vote matters.
-A batch of old and new nominees. A nice split of 8 old and new, so 16?
-Nominee Committee has a term limit of 5 years. However, they have privilege to pass their role to other close friends with similar tastes.
-Diversity; This one is tiring as an issue, but genres should be represented well. POC and woman also need respect, but let's be realistic. The statistics are getting worse, but hey we need to try our hardest no matter what.
-Up to 7 inductees per class. Hey, we been doing this since this website's existence. Why don't the Rock Hall try doing that again? It was what made the 2019 class so good!
-An early influence and ME person every year can benefit the people behind the scenes
-Maybe livestream the ceremony on Twitch. Makes the interaction with fans more meaningful.

That's all I have to say. :)

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 09/12/2020 @ 01:40am


Good suggestions Plebian, but how would you define an 'old' nominee? 10 years eligible? 15?

Posted by EDS on Saturday, 09/12/2020 @ 02:47am


Great suggestions, Plebian! I have some thoughts.

-When you get nominated 7 times, you automatically get in.
Love it. Totally agree.

-Solo acts are solo;
Not sure I agree with this one. I think the presence of backing bands can be more of a spectrum between "just there to play behind the leading artist" and "prominent creative force that just isn't billed as high as the leading artist." and it wouldn't be fair to paint them all with the same brush.

-10 member cap limit; Bands/groups can have up to 10 members.
I feel like I oppose this one in theory, but in practice, when has the 11th member of a group ever been significant?

-The fan vote winner gets in; Before you start typing, I feel this rule can really benefit the Hall and audience.
I actually agree with this one. I'm not at all opposed to a system where the fan vote winner is an auto-inductee, I just point out when this comes up that that's not our current situation, so they're not reneging on any deal by not inducting the winner.

-A batch of old and new nominees.
I believe I brought up a similar idea to this in a post a while back. Half of the nominees from the pool of previously nominated, half that have never been on the ballot before. I'm into it.

-Nominee Committee has a term limit of 5 years.
Yes please, new blood and new perspectives are key.

-Diversity;
At least half of the nominees in each year should be women and/or POC. This habit of promising change, and then nominating literally three women and three POC along with dozens of white men has got to stop.

-Up to 7 inductees per class.
Agreed. End the classes of 5. 6-7 should be the baseline, and I think that in years like this one where much of the class is dead, they can afford to add the nominee with the next most amount of votes to the induction class.

-An early influence and ME person every year
Agreed.

-Maybe livestream the ceremony on Twitch.
Interesting, I don't use Twitch very often but I've always thought of the Rock Hall target demo (Gen X/Boomers) and the Twitch target demo (Millennials/Gen Z) as not having much overlap. It could work though, especially as artists from Millennials youths are beginning to age into eligibility.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 09/12/2020 @ 08:24am


I'll put Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Motley Crue, Scorpions up against any nominee. Looking at longevity, number of albums sold, influence etc. That's 1 of the problems. They have to continually wait because there might be 1 or 2 spots for these groups on the nomination ballot. At least, Judas Priest has been nominated.
I don't know about the 7x nomination thing. When a group reaches 6 nominations, they could be frozen out by a few members that don't like the group. I would move Kraftwerk and MC5 to Early Influence and just induct them that way. It's 2020 now and they started out over 50 years ago. I would say 5-10 years from now most people wouldn't know how they were inducted.
Music has no color. I think the most innovative and most influential groups should be inducted. I have been pushing Kool & The Gang for a few years now. Roy also has done some posts on Kool & The Gang.
I think the cap on band members inducted is a good thing. Most successful bands have a core of 4 or 5 members that stays steady until 1 leaves or dies. 10 should be enough.
The Fan Voting winner should be increased to 5 or 10 votes. Otherwise, it is a very hollow victory. We saw that with the Dave Matthews Band.
I stated it 2 or 3 years ago but 2 ceremonies should be the answer. 1 for the 50's and 60's and early 70's bands. Maybe the cut off point 1972. Many from those years are either in their early 70's now or passed. Then, have the regular ceremony 1973-2020 years of groups. Many have agreed the most important bands in the 1950's and 1960's have already been inducted. I still can't believe Peter, Paul & Mary and Procol Harum haven't been inducted. Good discussion. I think the increase of social media has put the pressure on the Hall. It's easy to discard a letter saying why a group should be inducted. However, when 20,000 or 30,000 signatures can be presented by an on-line petition site....It adds more weight and credibility to the effort. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 09/12/2020 @ 13:40pm


King,

You are surely one of the consistent Regulars here. I always dig the chats. I agree that music has no color. I have been pushing Kool & the Gang a bit too. There is more to Kool & the Gang than people may realize. They had huge hits like Ladies Night,Too Hot and Celebration. Many people here know those. Ahh you and me know that much earlier they had tunes like Summer Madness, Chocolate Buttermilk and Jungle Boogie. These are great early tunes of Kool & the Gang. I own these. They are my favs from Kool & the Gang.

Now as far as the 2 ceremonies. I suggested this in posts earlier this year. Several people here say it's Not practical. I thought it was a great idea. I forget who they were but some here said 2 ceremonies of the entire scale of the Rock Era should happen. But hey it's an entertaining thought about 1 for 50s,60s and early 70s and the other 1973-2020. Good discussion. We need the ones who oppose this idea to spark more discussion on this. My feeling is that the Hall will disregard this idea right Now. Heyy everyone. What are your thoughts. I think it's a Great idea. This way the Marvelettes, Peter Paul & Mary and Procol Harum can have their own ceremony.Everyone give your thoughts on the 2 ceremonies

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 09/13/2020 @ 04:54am


Agree that the nomination process/ballot is a much better way of doing it than the old way.

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 09/13/2020 @ 19:53pm


When do we get the 2021 nominees?

Posted by anonymous on Monday, 09/14/2020 @ 13:48pm


Either the end of this year or the beginning of next year.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 09/14/2020 @ 14:02pm


I said nominees, not inductees.

Posted by anonymous on Monday, 09/14/2020 @ 18:31pm


I was referring to the nominees. It'll happen after the program special of this year's class.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 09/14/2020 @ 18:57pm


I was expecting next month, one year after last month.

Posted by anonymous on Tuesday, 09/15/2020 @ 14:59pm


anonymous,

That doesn't make much sense, One year after last month? It may be a mistype mistake. You may have meant one year after last year's nominees. Which is not happening. I agree with the Dude. In fact I'm thinking beginning of next year for the 2021 nominees

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 09/17/2020 @ 03:55am


It's been a while since I last posted a prediction for 2021, so I figured I'd go for it and revise my list. Here's where I'm at:

16 NOMINEES
1. Bad Company (Taking that Doobie Brothers slot)
2. Cher (The Hall is on a pop star kick recently, she has the music and the multi-generational appeal)
3. Duran Duran (Next in line for the big New Wave groups)
4. Foo Fighters (First Year Obvious)
5. The Go-Go's (They've got the momentum, or in other words, the beat)
6. Jay-Z (Even More First Year Obvious)
7. Jethro Tull (Been a minute since anything prog has shown up)
8. Judas Priest (Yeah, they'll be a perennial nominee for a while)
9. Kool & The Gang (Overdue R&B snub, gives Chaka a break)
10. Kraftwerk (Perennial nominee)
11. Marianne Faithfull (Okay, hear me out. The Nom Com likes to throw in wild card picks that nobody is expecting but have a genuine argument for induction, and I think Marianne fits the bill.)
12. Pat Benatar (Second time's the charm)
13. Rage Against the Machine (Big 90s snub, banner year for protest culture)
14. Soundgarden (They'll stick around on the ballot and be inducted within a few years)
15. Todd Rundgren (Also getting perennial here)
16. Tommy James & The Shondells (Throwing a bone to the 60s classic rock fans)

INDUCTEES
Bad Company
Cher
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
One of: Kool & The Gang, Pat Benatar, or Todd Rundgren (if 7)

Posted by RG on Thursday, 09/17/2020 @ 10:27am


Interesting note regarding the gender disparity in HOF inductees. This problem has been noted since the very first induction class. I watched the videos of that ceremony last night; and Roberta Flack made comments during her induction of Little Richard noting that none of her female musical heroes were being honored that night and hoping the next year perhaps would be "the year for women" (as we know, the following year , one woman {but only one} was inducted - Aretha Franklin).

Posted by Shrek on Thursday, 09/17/2020 @ 10:49am


Jethro Tull Is one of those band who has a really good chance of getting an induction if nominated with no to little competition.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 09/17/2020 @ 11:02am


When it comes to the 90's, Foo Fighters have the best chance of getting in other than Jay-Z. Though, Dave Grohl is in with Nirvana, but he'll be more than a just two-timer, making his era more prevalent. All of the members from the band's timeline are alive, so it makes a lot of sense to add all eight of them in. Rage have only four members, Beck is just one dude, and Soundgarden had a total of five members who are not in but alive, including their original bassists like Hiro Yamamoto.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 09/17/2020 @ 11:49am


RG,

Oh my god! My predictions on the class are the same as well! I have Kool and the Gang take Cher's spot though.

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 09/17/2020 @ 16:16pm


Plebian,

Promise I didn't copy you! We seem to agree on a lot when it comes to predictions and such.

I'm pretty ambivalent about Bad Company, but I think that otherwise, if this class were to happen the ceremony would be fun as hell.

Let me know if you have any other thoughts about it

Posted by RG on Thursday, 09/17/2020 @ 18:12pm


KING SEPT 17, 2020. A Quick King 20 RRHOF Nominations. Rounding Into Shape.
1. Smashing Pumpkins
2. Iron Maiden
3. Diana Ross
4. Duran Duran
5. Soundgarden
6. Judas Priest
7. Gram Parsons/Emmylou Harris
8. LL Cool J
9. Scorpions
10. Bad Company
11. Kool & The Gang
12. The Offspring
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. Bryan Adams
15. Rufus/Chaka Khan
16. Dave Matthews Band
17. Motley Crue
18. Procol Harum
19. Jay-Z
20. Pat Benatar
_____________________________
My list is rounding into shape. I decided to bring Rufus/Chaka Khan back. Guess she gets 1 last kick at the can. I have The Go-Go's just out right now. Motley Crue had tremendous momentum last year but did not receive a nomination. Lenny Kravitz could jump back in but they might give LL Cool J 1 more chance. Hated leaving Megadeth, The Eurythmics, and Tina Turner off but it's a difficult process. Don't know with the metal groups but I have enough represented. They could bring Motorhead back but many of the members have died now. It should be Iron Maiden's time. I am very interested in how the Nomination Committee decides. There's a quick 50 that I think deserves Induction. They have plenty to choose from on the Conmmittee. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 09/17/2020 @ 22:15pm


Are you really honestly that excited about seeing the 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Ceremony? Because, I certainly am not.


In approximately two more months, the televised 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Ceremony will air on HBO. I must admit that this list of inductees is probably my least favorite, overall since 2015. Although, I do like several songs by both The Doobie Brothers and Depeche Mode, I have only a few recordings of this class. I am much less excited about the other 4 inductees, none of which will ever make my list of favorites in any way, shape or manner whatsoever. In fact outside of owning "The Very Best of The Doobie Brothers," I do not own a single album by any of the other inductees This is in sharp contrast to last year's ceremony.



Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 09/18/2020 @ 06:16am


People have different tastes, Enigmaticus. I for one am really honestly that excited to see Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails, Notorious BIG, Whitney Houston, and T. Rex receive this honor.

Posted by RG on Friday, 09/18/2020 @ 09:42am


I am definitely with RG on this one. This was one of the better classes of the past 5 years in my opinion. Even though I enjoy the Doobie Brothers and their music they are probably the least interesting act going in this year. And I say that not really being a huge fan of Biggie. But his induction was necessary and appropriate.

Posted by remy10 on Friday, 09/18/2020 @ 11:06am


Ben, Will N. and K-Dawg,

Are you as non-plussed by the list of 2020 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees as I am? From what could have been a great ballot and a great list of inductees, I only had 3 correct (Whitney Houston, Doobie Brothers and Depeche Mode). Unfortunately, I had not been able to channel my "alter ego," in order to predict such great and noteworthy rock and roll artists as: Notorious B.I.G. (who just screams- rock and roll oh so loudly) and the long, long, long, long, long, long overdue Nine-Inch Nails. I would like to acknowledge that congratulations are definitely in order for richie, who had been able to predict most, if not all of this year's inductees.

Congratulations also to the fans and family of T. Rex, I had definitely been surprised by their induction.

At least, the long overdue inductions of The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston and Depeche Mode will finally occur.

Regarding the non-inductions of Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo, Dave Matthews Band and Motörhead- maybe next year! I am certain that both Kristen Studard and Evelyn McDonnell will be rather upset about the lack of live female inductees this year! Why didn't' Pat Benatar get inducted? Seriously, what the heck were the voters thinking?


Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 09/18/2020 @ 12:22pm


remy10 and RG,

Yes, we definitely have different tastes. I had been watching the induction ceremonies for the past 10 years, recently. Based upon those ceremonies, and the one scheduled to be televised this year, therefore I would rank and grade them accordingly:

11. 2015 Induction Ceremony (D)
10. 2020 induction Ceremony (C-) (pluses: the long overdue inductions of The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston and Depeche Mode)
09. 2011 Induction Ceremony (C-)
08. 2012 Induction Ceremony (C)
07. 2014 Induction Ceremony (pluses: the long overdue inductions of Peter Gabriel (as a solo artist), the tribute to Linda Ronstadt and the induction of Hall & Oates) (B-)
06. 2010 Induction Ceremony (pluses: the long overdue inductions of Genesis, The Hollies and ABBA) (B)
05. 2016 Induction Ceremony (pluses: the long overdue inductions of Deep Purple and Chicago) (B)
04. 2019 induction Ceremony ((pluses: the long overdue inductions of Roxy Music by John Taylor and Simon Le Bon of Duran Duran, The Zombies by Susanna Huffs (of The Bangles) and Stevie Nicks (as a solo artist)) (B+)
03. 2018 Induction Ceremony (((pluses: the long overdue inductions of The Moody Blues (co-founder of "prog," member of the "holy trinity" of prog, alongside Yes & Rush)), the long overdue inductions of the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe (the godmother of Rock & Roll, as an early influence), Nina Simone and The Cars))). (A-)
02. 2013 Induction Ceremony ((pluses: the long overdue inductions of Randy Newman, the late great Donna Summer and Albert King, Heart and Rush (member of the "holy trinity" of prog, alongside Yes and The Moody Blues)). (A)
01. 2017 Induction Ceremony (pluses: the long overdue inductions of Electric Light Orchestra, Joan Baez, Yes (member of the "holy trinity" of prog, alongside Rush and The Moody Blues), Nile Rodgers (for musical excellence), Journey, Pearl Jam and the first part of Lenny Kravitz's tribute to Prince and the induction speech and Alicia Keys playing for the late Tupac Shakur). (A+)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 09/18/2020 @ 13:05pm


Ok, what I meant was one year after next month, but I guess I'll just have to wait until December for the nominee announcement right?

Posted by anonymous on Friday, 09/18/2020 @ 13:22pm


remy10 and RG,

Yes, we definitely have different tastes. I had been watching the induction ceremonies for the past 10 years, recently. Based upon those ceremonies, and the one scheduled to be televised this year, I would rank and grade them accordingly:

11. 2015 Induction Ceremony (D)

10. 2020 induction Ceremony (pluses: the long overdue inductions of The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston and Depeche Mode) (C-)

09. 2011 Induction Ceremony (pluses: the long overdue induction of Alice Cooper and Darlene Love) (C-)

08. 2012 Induction Ceremony (C)
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07. 2014 Induction Ceremony (pluses: the long overdue inductions of Peter Gabriel (as a solo artist), the tribute to Linda Ronstadt and the induction of Hall & Oates) (B-)

06. 2010 Induction Ceremony (pluses: the long overdue inductions of Genesis, The Hollies and ABBA) (B)

05. 2016 Induction Ceremony (pluses: the long overdue inductions of Deep Purple and Chicago) (B)
—————————————————————————————
04. 2019 induction Ceremony ((pluses: the long overdue inductions of Roxy Music (by John Taylor and Simon Le Bon of Duran Duran)), The Zombies by Susanna Huffs (of The Bangles) and Stevie Nicks (as a solo artist))) (B+/A-)

03. 2018 Induction Ceremony (((pluses: the long overdue inductions of The Moody Blues (co-founder of "prog," member of the "holy trinity" of prog, alongside Yes & Rush)), the long overdue inductions of the late great Sister Rosetta Tharpe (the godmother of Rock & Roll, as an early influence), Nina Simone and The Cars))). (A-)

02. 2013 Induction Ceremony ((pluses: the long overdue inductions of Randy Newman, the late great Donna Summer and Albert King, Quincy Jones, Lou Adler, Heart and Rush (member of the "holy trinity" of prog, alongside Yes and The Moody Blues)). (A)

01. 2017 Induction Ceremony (pluses: the long overdue inductions of Electric Light Orchestra, Joan Baez, Yes (member of the "holy trinity" of prog, alongside Rush and The Moody Blues), Nile Rodgers (for musical excellence), Journey, Pearl Jam and the first part of Lenny Kravitz's tribute to Prince and the induction speech and Alicia Keys playing for the late Tupac Shakur). (A+)

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Friday, 09/18/2020 @ 13:22pm


Plebian,

What are your latest predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 09/18/2020 @ 19:37pm


Enig,

I haven't posted to ya in awhile. I admit that this is not the best. I am not sure what you mean by non-plussed. I assume you mean disappointed. Well I am disappointed. It's not a great class. But hey I think T Rex are a great choice. I've wanted them to be inducted for a long time due to the legendary Marc Bolan. I also know of Steve Currie. So I am not as disappointed as you. I like some Glam Rock of the 70s and know its importance, T Rex in particular have importance in the history of Rock. Notorious BIG is not an act I am a fan of but his induction is key and appropriate. SO that means there are 4 acts to hold up this class with Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Notorious BIG and T Rex. I am a bit thrown actually by Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails. I have never owned anything by these 2. Depeche Mode is definitely not my cup of tea at all but but they have a nice body of work. It continues a path for New wave in the Hall. I would love to hear from Will N. and k-Dawg on whether they are non-plussed or disappointed on this. This class is not as good as the 2018 class. That was basically a perfect class actually. Will N. and K-Dawg let's hear from yu.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 09/19/2020 @ 06:06am


Ben,

Yes, I am extremely disappointed since neither Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo, nor any of the other hard rock bands (Motörhead, Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest, Soundgarden) had been inducted. In my honest opinion, a much better class, in fact -an almost perfect class would have been:

Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo
Doobie Brothers
Depeche Mode
T. Rex
Whitney Houston
Motörhead (since Lemmy had previously been a member of Hawkwind (a prog band)
Dave Matthews Band

In my honest opinion, both The Notorious Big and Nine Inch Nails could have waited several more years to get in.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/19/2020 @ 07:23am


Ben,

Yes, I am extremely disappointed since neither Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo, nor any of the other hard rock bands (Motörhead, Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest, Soundgarden) had been inducted. In my honest opinion, a much better class, in fact -an almost perfect class would have been:

Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo
Doobie Brothers
Depeche Mode
T. Rex
Whitney Houston
Motörhead, since Lemmy had previously been a member of Hawkwind (a prog band)
Dave Matthews Band

In my honest opinion, both The Notorious Big and Nine Inch Nails could have waited several more years to get in.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 09/19/2020 @ 07:29am


RG,

Out of your predictions for the 2021 nominees, I agree with Bad Company, Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Marianne Faithfull, Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Tommy James & The Shondells, Jay-Z, Jethro Tull, Judas Priest, Kool & The Gang, Kraftwerk, Rage Against The Machine, Todd Rundgren and Soundgarden as nominees, I think that they will all be nominated this year, As much as I love Cher, I just don't think that she's Hall Worthy, I think that there are other Pop Stars that deserve it and are far more deserving of induction including Tina Turner, Mariah Carey, Cyndi Lauper and Gloria Estefan. Heck, Even Celine Dion is more deserving of an induction than Cher IMO, So IMO, I think that you should take out Cher from your 2021 nominee predictions and add either Tina Turner or Mariah Carey, I think that Tina and Mariah are the next Pop Stars in line for induction after the inductions of Janet Jackson in 2019 and Whitney Houston last year, so I think that either Tina or Mariah are far more likely to appear on the ballot and get inducted this year than Cher IMO.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 09/19/2020 @ 08:50am


I must admit Cher is a bit weak. Cher is currently an act I predict. I don't know what RG will do but plan on taking out Cher. I forgot about Cyndi Lauper. I predicted her a year ago at this time I recall. I already have Tina Turner. I love some Tina Turner. I saw Tina Turner in concert once in the early 90s. She gave a great show. One hour ago I downloaded some early Tina Turner. She was originally part of Ike and Tina Turner. They released notable hits like "Proud Mary", and "Nutbush City Limits". Raised a Baptist, she became an follower of Nichiren Buddhism in 1973, crediting the spiritual chant of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo with helping her to endure during difficult times Ike & Tina Turner disbanded in 1976, ending both their personal and their musical partnership; they divorced in 1978. Turner later revealed that she had been subjected to domestic violence. I just played a whole bunch of Tina Turner at Home. I was playing tunes like Sexy Ida and Acid Queen. A lot of people don't know that she released the albums Rough and Love Explosion in the late 70s.
In the 1980s, Turner launched "one of the greatest comebacks in music history" as a solo artist. She released Private Dancer (1984), which became a worldwide success. The album contained the hit song "What's Love Got to Do with It", it became her first and only Billboard Hot 100 No. 1 hit. Turner's chart success continued with "Better Be Good to Me", "Private Dancer", "We Don't Need Another Hero (Thunderdome)", "Typical Male", "The Best", "I Don't Wanna Fight", and "GoldenEye". She is a legendary superstar. I happen to be on a Tina Turner kick right Now. I certainly think that Tina Turner is in line as the next Pop Star in line for induction. It makes sense after Janet Jackson in 2019 and Whitney Houston for 2020. Tina Turner is already in my predictions for the 2021 nominees. But I had Cher also. I am removing Cher. Tina Turner is great

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 09/19/2020 @ 09:31am


Enig,

I am not reading all that....

Ben,

I agree, Tina Turner has more of a chance than Cher. Cher, whether you like her or not, is more of a meme and isn't really taken seriously. Tina Turner at least has respect.

To everyone,

I rather have a class that is diverse as this than to say another "Classic Rock" class like 2016 and 2018. The bitterness and hostility throughout those ceremonies rubbed me the wrong way plus rock is about celebrating different genres. Personally, 2013 and 2019 were great showcase in celebrating multiple genres, so 2020 is no different.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 09/19/2020 @ 10:02am


Plebian,

What are your latest predictions for the 2021 nominees/inductees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 09/19/2020 @ 10:17am


Richie,

Thank you for the feedback!

Call it a hunch about Cher. I totally get why you all aren't so hot on her, but at risk of being dead wrong come nomination time, I'm going to keep her on for the time being.

I would be thrilled for any and all of Tina, Mariah, Cyndi, and Gloria to get in, among others. Tina Turner as a solo inductee is perhaps in the top five when it comes to snubbed artists that should be in. The only reason that she's not at the top of my prediction list is because I think that a lot of people on the committee think that her induction with Ike is adequate (it isn't), which is why she has never been on the ballot in the first place. I hope this will change this year, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

As for the classes/ceremonies, I think that 2019 was among the best, and 2018 one of the worst (although I appreciate Nina Simone, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, & The Cars getting in).

I would love to hear some feedback on my prediction of Marianne Faithfull as the surprise wild-card nominee. I don't think I have ever seen her name brought up in the discussions on this site. What do we think?

Posted by RG on Saturday, 09/19/2020 @ 11:09am


RG,
We have different Musical tastes But not as different as Enig. I like sone Prog but don't obsess on Prog. I think 2018 was one of the best Ceremonies. It's because I am a huge Moody Blues fan plus it had Bon Jovi, Nina Simone and the Care. But 2020 is NOT the worst. I can understand Doobie Bros, Whitney Houston, Notorious BIG and T REX

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 09/19/2020 @ 12:33pm


Ben,

What are your predictions for the 2021 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 09/19/2020 @ 13:25pm


Ben, RG, Enig, etc.,
If you guys are doing a bit of analyzing on the 2020 inductees, I would like to add that The reason Nine Inch Nails got inducted is because they transcend most all genres of music and literally are creating their own. Sure, Trent Reznor was influenced by a variety of different types of music, but what makes NIN unique is their incorporation of so many different styles into a melting pot of a strange brew of inspired, bordering on genius, creative works. Trent's use of Metal, Industrial, Electronic, Goth, Prog, New Wave and Classic Rock materialized into a mutated form of new Rock. Perhaps that is why he credits Gary Numan as a prime influence, because Numan also experimented in different forms and mutations of existing music at the time. Although, Gary Numan credits Kraftwerk as an Influence..
Depeche mode is a further extension of the Electronic/ New Wave genre, and more than likely also influenced by Kraftwerk, and maybe Tangerine Dream, a band that I have been listening to a lot lately, and were no doubt more influential on me for Electronic music than Kraftwerk. Maybe it was the accessibility factor being that TD were doing movie soundtracks like "The Sorcerer", "Risky Business", "Legend", and "Thief". And with great albums like "Stratosfear", "Richochet", "Phaedra", and "Rubycon" in the 70's, they were very popular and no doubt an influence on many bands that came after, and possibly Depeche Mode and NIN.. Another band that could have had an influence on Depeche Mode and NIN is one of my favorite Progressive/Psych Rock bands, which would be the German band, Nektar, who had some fantastic records in the early to mid 70's, and no doubt also influencing some bands in the Prog/Psych/New Wave genres.. LP's like "A Tab In the Ocean", "Remember The Future", "Journey To the Center Of the Eye", "Recycled", and "Magic Is A Child" inspired many a European musician and some U.S. musicians as well. For Depeche Mode, I have nothing but respect and admiration for them, and along with The Cure, I was a bit late for the Party with these 2 bands, not having really experiencing Depeche Mode until the early 90's with the amazing "Violator" album. Maybe their pinnacle of their career with that LP, it is just fantastic..
The Doobie Brothers are also very well deserved as they mixed an eclectic brand of styles into their stellar catalogue of Great 70's LP releases.. Really no need to delve into all of the details of their legendary career that scored them 6 or 7 outstanding albums of rich and soulful, memorable material.. The Doobie Brothers did not just put out some hits and surround them with filler on their records, but rather put all of their heart and spirit into all of their songs. making their LP's all works of high regard. The Doobie Brothers crafted a blend of Soul, Cajun, Gospel, R&B, Rock, Dixie,Jazz,and the kitchen sink into their sound making them highly unique and very well deserved of induction. I highly recommend their hits, but also more obscure deep cuts like "Spirit", "I Cheat the Hangman", "Sweet Maxine", "Another Park, Another Sunday", "Eyes of Silver", "Song to See You Through", "Dark Eyed Cajun Woman", "South City Midnight Lady", and "Without You"..
T. Rex was a legendary, highly influential band who I had been promoting and picking for nomination and induction for nearly 2 years, and predicted them in the Roxy Music follow up slot, so I was very glad to seem them get their due. My experience with T. Rex was getting the "Electric Warrior" and "The Slider" cassettes in the very early 80's, and absorbing them with repeated listens. The era when those 2 LP's were huge in England pretty much cemented the legacy of Marc Bolan and T. Rex, and further influencing the Glam Rock period. Even to the extent of all of the popularity hype being coined T. Rextasy..
With Whitney, she was just huge, huge very huge, and could not be denied. I believe her induction was just fine and very deserving, and after waiting a few years for nomination as well.
For Biggie, I will leave a discussion on him for the more informed, as I was more into the Grunge and Alternative scene at the time, which was just overwhelming for me as there were just a ton of great Rock bands throughout the 90's to be involved with. So I listened to very little Rap during that time, but I do recognize, and was aware of the massive impact of Biggie and Tupac on the Rap world and their place in Music History that developed. That cannot be ignored, so his induction was bound to happen. I can only ask the question because I do not know for sure, Would there be any Rap artist that came before Biggie that would be more deserving? I guess LL Cool J had a few chances and was not nominated for this class, so there you go..
I would have liked to see one more artist out of the 2020 class get inducted.. Pat B./Neil G., and Judas Priest not getting in was disappointing, but even one more would have been cool. Whether it could have been Rufus/Chaka Khan, Motorhead, Kraftwerk, or even Thin Lizzy, I think it would have added more depth to the Class, and a few more people still alive.. But overall, I cannot complain too much about the 2020 Class, as you know no matter who gets chosen, there will be people who will be upset about the selections.. Hopefully the omissions will lead into some positive selections for 2021..

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 09/19/2020 @ 21:41pm


Will N.,

Always great reading your posts. This is a quick post. I will have a longer one later. We are almost always on the same page. Depeche Mode is a big gap for me. They were not my cup of tea. But I do know some Tangerine Dream. I dabbled into some of theirs in the mid 80s. But it was their 70s albums I checked out. I recall Phaedra. Ahhh I love the German band Nektar. Not everyone knows them. I do know they were a somewhat key German Prog band. I own part of Recycled. It's from 1976 I recall. They were Notable on FM radio for awhile.
The Doobie Brothers are also very well deserved as they mixed an eclectic brand of styles into their terrific catalogue of Great 70's album releases.. Really no need to delve into all of the details of their legendary career that scored them 6 or 7 outstanding albums of rich and soulful, memorable material.. The Doobie Brothers did not just put out some hits and surround them with filler on their records, but made all their albums great works. I will have a longer post later. This is to be continued

Posted by Ben on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 08:20am


My predictions (again) for 2021

The Class:
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
Bad Company
The Go-Gos
Kool and the Gang
Pat Benatar
If 7: Tina Turner

The others:
Duran Duran
Kraftwerk
Rufus/Chaka Kahn
MC5
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
B-52s
Motörhead
RATM
Smashing Pumpkins

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 10:44am


Plebian,

Just read this:

No, it is more than that- I do not only want Duran Duran inducted next year, but I want them inducted and immortalized as a "prog" band. That is why, I am constantly finding little tidbits of info and adding them to the already huge arsenal of data which I have on Duran Duran.

During the earlier PBS pledge drive this year, "A Diamond In The Mind: Live 2011" by Duran Duran had been aired. For several years previously PBS had aired "A Night At Red Rocks" by The Moody Blues (co-founders of prog and a member of the "holy trinity" of prog, alongside Rush and Yes).


A question had been asked earlier this week, as to whose music from this time will still be revered 200- 250 years from now? The answer that had been given had been The Beatles and Bob Dylan. Although, I agree that the music of The Beatles will probably be appreciated two centuries from now, I do not believe that they will be alone. Based upon the fact that older generations of fans have turned on their children to other bands and that their children have developed an appreciation for the said bands, I will offer the following list: The Beatles, the holy trinity of prog (Rush, Yes and The Moody Blues) and of course, Duran Duran.

Why do I think this?

Because, there is a prog rock group named Fleesh (from Brazil) who does covers by artists such as: Duran Duran, Rush, Genesis, Renaissance and Marillion and others, in addition to their own original work. By the way, their videos can be seen on YouTube. I am especially enamored of Fleesh's cover of 'Ordinary World.' I also happen to like what The Professor of Rock had said about Duran Duran- "... Simon Le Bon is a vocalist for the ages and Duran Duran are metamorphic and timeless artists."

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 13:45pm


Enig,

Your revisioning of Duran Duran is kind of pissing me off. I get it, to you they are special band. Regardless, you gotta wait like everyone else. Also The Beatles are considered universal unlike your holy trinity whatever and many people are not so die hard for Duran Duran unlike you. I think many others like Elton John, Queen, David Bowie, and Etc. are considered more influential. So, please stop telling me this prog crap that you have plaguing for the last 6 years.
(I apologize for harsh language, but I have had enough)

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 14:33pm


So here's Alex Voltaire's predictions so far:

Jethro Tull. (Who is a person, but he's not in the band)
Rufus with Chaka Khan (Free Slot on the Bingo card!)
Foo Fighters (Duh)
Kool & The Gang (RIP)
The Go-Gos (Because more women)
Jay-Z (Once again, Duh.)
New York Dolls (Fresher than MC5)
Dave Matthews Band (Sweet Revenge!)
Tina Turner (Anyone picking Tina is delusional.)
Kraftwerk (Another free spot)
Judas Priest (I don't get this pick since they did poorly twice)
Mary J. Blige (Interesting, but many potential vote splitters)
Duran Duran (a favorite of Hall Watchers)

What do you think?

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 15:00pm


Bill and Will N,

Do you mind if I ask you the following question: what is it that you like about Nektar?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 15:12pm


Follower:

Very Funny- Jethro Tull would have had to be 346 years old now; far too old to be in a rock band. But then again, does anybody really know how old Mick Jagger and Keith Richard really are? LOL.

According to Wikipedia:

"Jethro Tull is named after the individual who had helped to bring about the British Agricultural Revolution. He had perfected the horse drawn seed drill, back during the early 18th century, circa 1700.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 15:25pm


Follower:

Very Funny- Jethro Tull would have had to be 346 years old now; far too old to be in a rock band. But then again, does anybody really know how old Mick Jagger and Keith Richard really are? LOL.

According to Wikipedia:

"Jethro Tull is named after the individual who had helped to bring about the British Agricultural Revolution. He had perfected the horse drawn seed drill, back during the late 17th to early 18th century, circa 1700."

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 15:27pm


Ben and RG,

Yes, I am an unapologetic defender and aficionado of progressive rock music and have been so for nearly 40 years. It is the music which happens to appeal most to me. If it is not within the perimeter of progressive rock, then I probably will not even listen to it. In my honest opinion, more progressive rock and "prog" adjacent bands still need to and deserve to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 15:52pm


Follower,

You may want to edit Alex Voltaire's list of predictions for the 2021 nominees so far because he also predicted Soundgarden as well in addition to the ones that you mentioned (Jethro Tull, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Foo Fighters, Kool & The Gang, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, New York Dolls, Dave Matthews Band, Tina Turner, Kraftwerk, Judas Priest, Mary J. Blige and Duran Duran).

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 16:27pm


Enigmaticus,

I don't have the same level of anger that Plebian does towards your posts - I do enjoy reading them and interacting with you on here - but I think he does bring up a good point. I respect and appreciate that you are passionate about the music that you enjoy and I would never want to quash that, but I would encourage you to try to be a little more open-minded when it comes to music.

From your posts on here, it seems like you assess whether or not you think music is good based on how well it fits within the definition of "prog rock", or how closely it is connected to other artists in the genre (your advocation for Motorhead to be inducted based on the fact that Lemmy was part of a prog band at some point previously). It seems like you even stretch your definition of prog to include artists that you enjoy, that most music fans would not really consider to be included in those parameters (Duran Duran, Sade, Carly Simon), in order to justify enjoying them. Even your post about what music you think will be remembered centuries from now essentially boils down to Your Favorite Bands=Prog Rock=Objectively Good Music That Will Stand The Test Of Time.

Like what you like, all good, but there is so much good and important music out there that has nothing to do with prog rock, that you are limiting yourself from appreciating based on some arbitrary labeling. Again, no disrespect to you or prog as a genre (which I quite like some of), but whether or not an artist adheres to a specific genre definition shouldn't be the end-all, be-all of whether it is good or deserves recognition.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 17:33pm


RG,

Thank you.

Yes, you have stated my opinion quite eloquently, In a nutshell:

My favorite music= prog= music which will stand the test of time.

If it seems reactionary, then perhaps I had become very tired of music critics constantly berating my favorite bands. Who wouldn't be? They had the unmitigated gall to say that what I had appreciated was not worthwhile and they did so, without apology, for several decades. Then, lo and behold something called the Internet had emerged and I had found myself in almost the unique position of defending "prog rock." So, I had to set the record straight. I now had the ability to reverse those lame-brained and possibly drug- fueled opinions of those critics. Therefore I had begun creating webpages; at that point, I had to learn html thoroughly, in order to accomplish this. I had created most of my website during my time off, when not either attending class, or working part-time at my job. I had started with Rush and Duran Duran, two bands which, in my honest opinion- had always been mislabeled and worthy of immediate induction into the Rock Hall. Unfortunately, Rush had been identified as "heavy metal" and Duran Duran as "synth pop." Then I had laboriously begun putting together my long-archived website (AKD's Art Rock Site). However, in order to facilitate the change necessary, I had needed to bring the rings together, by creating webpages for several more bands. So, instead of advocating for just one artist- I would become the advocate for several. I would like to think that Rush's induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame had been a huge game changer, but honestly I had thought that the inductions of The Moody Blues and Yes would have been much earlier. Knowing that both of the aforementioned bands had been a huge influence upon the music of Rush, caused me to become their advocates also. Of course, I can honestly say that my favorite "prog" bands had been inducted in my order of preference. Of course, King Crimson is fourth on the list, but their lack of familiarity among the general public would be detrimental to their induction. Of course, I had known that several members of Duran Duran had been hugely influenced by Roxy Music and Roxy Music had been influenced by King Crimson. Still, i had thought that it would help immensely if a member of Duran Duran would acknowledge King Crimson as an influence and guess what- one did. Being aware that Simon had long enjoyed choral or orchestral music, I could conclude that Simon Le Bon- lyricist and songwriter extraordinaire would have also been a prog advocate. My website had been created a year after Pink Floyd's induction into the Rock Hall. By the way, several members of Duran Duran had also cited Pink Floyd as an influence.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 18:43pm


RG,

Then the question had arisen: Why had Duran Duran still been around when several artists of their supposed genre had disappeared off the face of the earth, or so to speak? Then, the answer came to me. I had started listening more intently to Duran Duran and had realized that 'The Chauffeur' had definitely been a prog song, but it had not been until the early nineties and the release of "Duran Duran" (1993) that I actually had my answer. After the release of 'Ordinary World,' I had become a huge advocate, since, 'Ordinary World' had been an out and out "prog" song. Still, I had lost track of Duran Duran for several years, until I had heard 'What Happens Tomorrow' from "Astronaut." Then, I had lost track of Duran Duran until the release of "All You Need Is Now." I had purchased a copy of 'All You Need is Now" about a year later and had been thoroughly impressed with the BluRay version of "A Diamond In The Mind: Live 2011." Still, I had needed the acknowledgement that what I had stated more than a decade earlier, had been true. After the release of "Paper Gods," the band members had described themselves as always having been a hybrid of "progressive rock" and "pop," therefore affirming my then 18 year old statement.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 09/20/2020 @ 19:10pm


Will N.,

I now have a longer post for yu. eWe are almost always on the same page. Depeche Mode is a big gap for me. They were not my cup of tea. But I do know some Tangerine Dream. I dabbled into some of theirs in the mid 80s. But it was their 70s and early 80s albums I checked out. I recall Phaedra and some soundtracks. Ahhh I love the German band Nektar. They actually were British. Not everyone knows them. as I said I do know they were a somewhat key Prog band. I own part of Recycled. It was released in the US in 1976.They were Notable on FM radio for awhile.
The Doobie Brothers are also very well deserved as they mixed an eclectic brand of styles into their terrific catalogue of Great 70's album releases.. Really no need to delve into all of the details of their legendary career. I saw the Doobie Brothers in concert back in Dec. 2019. It is one of the last shows I saw before the Pandemic. Doobie Brothers are pretty good. I own The Captain and Me and Stampede. Dark Eyes Cajun Woman and South City Midnight Lady are 2 of my favs. I love those and also love Cheat the Hangman and Sweet Maxine.
T. Rex was a legendary, highly influential band who I also had been promoting somewhat forgot to pick them for nomination and induction. I predicted them in the Roxy Music follow up slot for 2020. My experience with T. Rex was getting the "Electric Warrior" on record and hearing some tunes from the Slider in the very early 80's, and absorbing them with repeated listens. The era when those 2 LP's were huge in England pretty much confirmed the legacy of Marc Bolan and T. Rex, and further influencing the Glam Rock period. There was a lot of popularity for T. Tex.
With Whitney, she was just huge, huge very huge, and could not be denied. I believe her induction was just fine and very deserving, and she has a killer voice.
For Biggie, I will also leave a analysis on him for the more informed, I was also more into some of the GrungeAlternative scene at the time, and then the Jam bands. I agree There were just a ton of great Rock bands throughout the 90's to be involved with. So I listened to very little Rap during that time too but I do recognize, and was aware of the massive impact of Biggie and Tupac on the Rap world and their place in Music History that developed. So his induction was expected. There is this one tune I know called Juicy. That was a huge one in 1994 for Biggie. I think that's the only one I know.
I am certainly disappointed also that Pat Benater/N Gerardo and Judas Priest did not get in. Those would have been very cool or Rufus/Chaka Khan and Thin Lizzy would have been cool also.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 09/21/2020 @ 06:12am


Will N.,

I now have a longer post for yu. eWe are almost always on the same page. Depeche Mode is a big gap for me. They were not my cup of tea. But I do know some Tangerine Dream. I dabbled into some of theirs in the mid 80s. But it was their 70s and early 80s albums I checked out. I recall Phaedra and some soundtracks. Ahhh I love the German band Nektar. They actually were British. Not everyone knows them. as I said I do know they were a somewhat key Prog band. I own part of Recycled. It was released in the US in 1976.They were Notable on FM radio for awhile.
The Doobie Brothers are also very well deserved as they mixed an eclectic brand of styles into their terrific catalogue of Great 70's album releases.. Really no need to delve into all of the details of their legendary career. I saw the Doobie Brothers in concert back in Dec. 2019. It is one of the last shows I saw before the Pandemic. Doobie Brothers are pretty good. I own The Captain and Me and Stampede. Dark Eyes Cajun Woman and South City Midnight Lady are 2 of my favs. I love those and also love Cheat the Hangman and Sweet Maxine.
T. Rex was a legendary, highly influential band who I also had been promoting somewhat forgot to pick them for nomination and induction. I predicted them in the Roxy Music follow up slot for 2020. My experience with T. Rex was getting the "Electric Warrior" on record and hearing some tunes from the Slider in the very early 80's, and absorbing them with repeated listens. The era when those 2 LP's were huge in England pretty much confirmed the legacy of Marc Bolan and T. Rex, and further influencing the Glam Rock period. There was a lot of popularity for T. Tex.
With Whitney, she was just huge, huge very huge, and could not be denied. I believe her induction was just fine and very deserving, and she has a killer voice.
For Biggie, I will also leave a analysis on him for the more informed, I was also more into some of the GrungeAlternative scene at the time, and then the Jam bands. I agree There were just a ton of great Rock bands throughout the 90's to be involved with. So I listened to very little Rap during that time too but I do recognize, and was aware of the massive impact of Biggie and Tupac on the Rap world and their place in Music History that developed. So his induction was expected. There is this one tune I know called Juicy. That was a huge one in 1994 for Biggie. I think that's the only one I know.
I am certainly disappointed also that Pat Benater/N Gerardo and Judas Priest did not get in. Those would have been very cool or Rufus/Chaka Khan and Thin Lizzy would have been cool also.

Posted by Ben on Monday, 09/21/2020 @ 06:12am


Ben and Will N,

Do you mind if I ask you the following question: what is it that you like about Nektar?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 09/21/2020 @ 10:10am


Enig,

What I like about Nektar is their way out. Prog sound. They were stylistically close to Gentle Giant whom I'm also acquainted with. I like the fact that they did Concept albums. As I said I own part of Recycled. I plan on downloading the rest of this album Veryyy sooon. I own 2 tunes. I think they are Recycle and Cybernetic Consumption. I neeeed to download the rest. I'm psyched to find people that know Nektar. They are outside the Rock Hall zone. That's why they haven't come up. They were an amazing band

Posted by Ben on Monday, 09/21/2020 @ 19:38pm


Looking ahead a bit, what do we think about the chances of any artists other than Jay-Z & the Foo Fighters that become eligible this year making the ballot at some point down the road?

I think that any others from the list won't be considered for quite a while. I think Garbage would be the next most likely to be considered, then maybe Deftones, followed by a tier of artists that would only even be considered if the Hall goes down some serious tangents into various subgenres or the rest of the major '90s players have already been inducted (Chemical Brothers, D'Angelo, Robyn, Backstreet Boys, Lil Kim, Incubus).

One of my favorite bands, Guster, is also eligible as of this year but I fully acknowledge that they will never have a chance in hell lol

Thoughts?

Posted by RG on Monday, 09/21/2020 @ 22:10pm


Enig,
My experiences with the band Nektar, and why I enjoy listening to their records go back to 1978 when I first heard the "Recycled" album. Well some guy in the military had the 8-track, and was playing it while we were hanging out and partying a bit. I remember it being very different, and energetic, and futuristic in nature with kind of sci-fi type lyrics, which appealed to me at the time, as I was always keeping my ear open for different and cool new music.. Liking it enough to go scour the local record stores(Record Bar or Camelot Music) for some Nektar. I believe I found the "Recycled" album and also their 1972 LP "A Tab In the Ocean" as cut-outs in the discount bins, and later in 1978 they released a Compilation/Live LP called "Thru The 'Ears" which I bought, and all 3 records were really Great. I enjoy the band for their rough, edgy, progressive space Rock and somewhat psychedelic sound. Some of their records sound a bit like early Pink Floyd, but it is Krautrock, so it is different as well,like the Tab In the Ocean CD, here.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHc0XMhkkQ8
It has the excellent Title track, the fantastic "Desolation Valley", and "King of Twilight".
Enig, there were a ton of "Prog" bands in the early to mid 70's, but I only remember referring to them as Rock, and most everyone who was listening to the Stones, Zeppelin, or Aerosmith was also listening to Yes and Kansas, and then you had ELO came out, early Styx is considered as "Prog" now, and Supertramp, but it was just all great music then growing up and experiencing Rock as a teenager..And of course Rush when they came out, evolving from a Hard Rock band into Progressive..
Ben also mentions Gentle Giant who draws comparisons to Nektar, and some people raved about them , but I did not pursue the chance to hear them much. I thought they were maybe more like early Genesis, which is pretty Heavy Prog, IMO. Though I did buy "Nursery Crimes" and "Foxtrot" back in the day, and like those.
Enig, You might like the "Tab In the Ocean" CD by Nektar, if you've not heard it. And which I provided the link to the Remastered version, and it sounds awesome..
The core of Nektar has mostly always been guitarist, Roye Albrighton (R.I.P), and bassist Derek "Mo" Moore..
One of my favorite tunes by Nektar is an early song released as a single and should have been a hit, called "Do You Believe In Magic?" Remastered here, but is the "Thru the 'Ears" version.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVRPDBv7dVI
Ben, something for you too.. I would guess that you are aware that the song "Recycled" is a 7 part epic composition totalling over 17 minutes, the first side of the LP.. The link with no commercial interruptions is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ev1ueQv3u8
Ben, maybe I will go and check out some Gentle Giant soon..

Posted by Will N. on Monday, 09/21/2020 @ 23:04pm


@ RG

Deftones is one of those alt-rock and adjacent-hardcore bands from the 90's that should get in years from now. Seeing them nominated and inducted at first year is just a wishful thinking for me much like how I felt about Korn when they officially became eligible last year. Slipknot is coming up next year (they actually put out an EP in 96), then System of a Down for 2023, and finally you have Linkin Park in 2025 who do have a pretty, good big shot to be both nominated and inducted at first year, since they do have a solid connection to the Nom Com and would easily get enough votes to make it cause their diverse musical styles and they're a household name despite some drastic differences.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 09/21/2020 @ 23:14pm


Alex Voltaire made his predictions for the 2021 ballot today and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Mary J. Blige
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kool & The Gang
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Now, If Alex's predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you guys see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 09/22/2020 @ 10:03am


@ Richie

If the nominees will look like that, then these guys will make it the most:

Foo Fighters (FYE)
Jay-Z (FYE)
The Go-Go's (An Azoff project)
Jethro Tull (Voting Body Winner)
Judas Priest (Classic Rock project)
Mary J. Blig (Female of the year)
Tina Turner (Female of the year)

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 09/22/2020 @ 10:25am


If Alex Voltaire's list were the actual nominees I think the inductees will be.

B-52s
Jay-Z
Kool and The Gang
The Go-Go's
Jethro Tull
Tina Turner
Soundgarden

Posted by Greg F on Tuesday, 09/22/2020 @ 12:36pm


The Dude,

I think that Nine Inch Nails getting in is the first step for the potential of nu metal bands in the Hall. Rage Against the Machine should happen within the next five years to open it a bit more, and then I expect Linkin Park to be inducted on the sooner side once they're eligible. Once Linkin Park is in, then I would expect to see some more consideration for the likes of Deftones, Slipknot, etc. I think it will be a long time before any of those bands get in though, think of how long it has taken to even get seminal classic metal acts like Judas Priest & Iron Maiden on the ballot.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 09/22/2020 @ 12:50pm


From that list:

Jethro Tull
Foo Fighters (Don't care if Dave is in the committee, they are awesome)
Jay-Z
The Go-Gos (Irving Azdroff gets his acts in whether we like it or not)
Kool and the Gang
Tina Turner


The Dude,

Nine Inch Nails getting in is huge as it shows the 90s getting more respect than usual. Really helps out the rest of the 2000s bands. Speaking of which, here is my wishlist of 2000s music acts I want in:
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Coldplay
Paramore
MCR
White Stripes
Linkin Park
Eminem

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 09/22/2020 @ 13:19pm


Also, RIP to Tommy DeVito of The Four Seasons, who was the oldest living performer inductee and the last performer inductee born in the 1920s.

The list of oldest living performer inductees (unless I am missing anyone) now looks like:

1. Don Wilson [Rhythm Guitarist, The Ventures] (2/10/1933-)
2. Lloyd Price (3/9/1933-)
3. Tommy Hunt [Singer, The Flamingos] (6/18/1933-)
4. Frankie Valli [Singer, The Four Seasons] (5/3/1934-)
5. Sam Gooden [Singer, The Impressions] (9/2/1934-)
6. Sam Lay [Drummer/Singer, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band] (3/20/1935-)
7. Pervis Staples [Singer, The Staple Singers] (7/1/1935-)
8. Jerry Lee Lewis (9/29/1935-)
9. Sam Moore [Singer, Sam & Dave] (10/12/1935-)
10. Duke Fakir [Singer, Four Tops] (12/26/1935-)
11. Verne Allison [Singer, The Dells] (6/22/1936-)
12. Buddy Guy (7/30/1936-)
13. Bill Wyman [Bassist, The Rolling Stones] (10/24/1936-)
14. Jerome Arnold [Bassist, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band] (11/12/1936-)
15. Don Everly [Singer, The Everly Brothers] (2/1/1937-)

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 09/22/2020 @ 13:29pm


ALSO also,

Rolling Stone just released an update to their 500 Best Albums of All Time list. It's a very big change from the 2012 update, and you can tell that they included a much wider variety of voices in constructing this list. Definitely worth discussing, since it may be a look at where the Hall will end up going in the future.

High-Ranking Albums by Artists Not Yet Inducted:
#10 - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (1998) - Lauryn Hill
#17 - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (2010) - Kanye West
#19 - To Pimp a Butterfly (2015) - Kendrick Lamar
#25 - Tapestry (1971) - Carole King
#27 - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) (1993) - Wu-Tang Clan
#28 - Voodoo (2000) - D'Angelo
#32 - Lemonade (2016) - Beyonce
#33 - Back To Black (2006) - Amy Winehouse
#37 - The Chronic (1992) - Dr. Dre
#43 - The Low End Theory (1991) - A Tribe Called Quest
#44 - Illmatic (1994) - Nas
#49 - Aquemini (1998) - Outkast
#50 - The Blueprint (2001) - Jay-Z
#56 - Exile In Guyville (1993) - Liz Phair
#61 - Paid In Full (1987) - Eric B. & Rakim
#64 - Stankonia (2000) - Outkast
#66 - A Love Supreme (1965) - John Coltrane
#67 - Reasonable Doubt (1996) - Jay-Z
#68 - Hounds of Love (1985) - Kate Bush
#69 - Jagged Little Pill (1995) - Alanis Morissette
#73 - Loveless (1991) - My Bloody Valentine
#74 - The College Dropout (2004) - Kanye West
#79 - Blonde (2016) - Frank Ocean
#81 - Beyonce (2013) - Beyonce
#89 - Baduizm (1997) - Erykah Badu
#93 - Supa Dupa Fly (1997) - Missy Elliott
#95 - Take Care (2011) - Drake
#98 - Car Wheels On a Gravel Road (1998) - Lucinda Williams
#99 - Red (2012) - Taylor Swift

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 09/22/2020 @ 14:09pm


RG,

Alex Voltaire made his predictions for the 2021 ballot today and his predictions are:

The B-52's
Mary J. Blige
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kool & The Gang
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Now, If Alex's predictions for the 2021 nominees turns out to be the actual ballot this year, Which ones do you see being inducted out of that list?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 09/22/2020 @ 16:00pm


Alex Voltaire's list is pretty similar to mine. If it were the real ballot, I think the class would be:

Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Tina Turner
Kool & The Gang (if 7)

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 09/22/2020 @ 16:48pm


I'm going to list off the Rock Hall Watcher prediction round-up for the 2021 ballot so far and they are:

Charles Crossley Jr.:

The B-52's
Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Devo
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
MC5
Motorhead
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Smashing Pumpkins
Tina Turner

Zoot Marimba:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Eurythmics
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Iron Maiden
Jay-Z
Kraftwerk
The Monkees
New York Dolls
John Prine
Todd Rundgren
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Alex Voltaire:

The B-52's
Mary J. Blige
Dave Matthews Band
Duran Duran
Foo Fighters
The Go-Go's
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kool & The Gang
Kraftwerk
New York Dolls
Rufus With Chaka Khan
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Tina Turner

Now, Out of all three predictions by Rock Hall Watchers for the 2021 ballot so far, Which one do you guys is the most realistic so far?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 09/22/2020 @ 18:44pm


The Class of 1990 now has 14 living members: Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.

Posted by Follower on Wednesday, 09/23/2020 @ 01:53am


RG,

I am going to your Rolling Stone Update in another direction. I was going to write a piece on some neglected genres in the Hall. Rock of course, Rap and R&B are constantly in the Hall. During the 90s I got into a lot of Folk, Jazz and Alt Country. Rolling Stone is a good source. I am not going to discuss the Big change. I just looked at the list for Folk, Jazz and Alt country. I looked at the Top 300 for this. I noticed albums by Wilco and Lucinda Williams. I also listened quite a bit to acts like Shawn Colvin and Greg Brown among others during the 90s. I did Not notice those. But I noticed Wilco and Lucinda Williams. At #98 there is Lucinda Williams, Car Wheels on a Gravel Road. This was a key album for me in 1998. I noticed at #254 Herbie Hancock Headhunters. I listened to this album somewhat during the 90s. In addition to folk I listened to quite a bit of Jazz. John Prine is somewhere in the Top 300 albums. This may be some of the acts headed to the Hall in the future. I don't often talk about my folk and Jazz. These are other genres for the Hall to delve more into.

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/23/2020 @ 05:41am


KING Quick 20 RRHOF Nominees SEPTEMBER 23, 2020 (20).
The List Is Rounding Into Shape. Next list per the October 1 deadline, it will be the Final Master List.
1. Duran Duran
2. Soundgarden
3. Kool & The Gang
4. Judas Priest
5. Rage Against The Machine
6. Diana Ross
7. Procol Harum
8. Scorpions
9. Pat Benatar
10. Gram/Emmylou
11. Smashing Pumpkins
12. Rufus/Chaka Khan
13. Iron Maiden
14. Dave Matthews Band
15. Lenny Kravitz
16. Bad Company
17. Steve Winwood
18. Jay-Z
19. Blue Oyster Cult
20. The Go-Go's
_____________________________
Not many seismic changes. Lenny Kravitz in for LL Cool J's spot. Kravitz in his mid 50's now and a good 12-20 Classic songs. Right on line. Steve Winwood is added when you think he's been in music around 57 years. That's impressive plus all the groups he was in...Also solo work. I added The Go-Go's but don't know if I will keep them. Good women representation as well as other diversity. I think Gram/Emmylou is a winning ticket. Both deserve separate nominations and inductions. However, this would be great for the voters who love both. Blue Oyster Cult intrigues me because they bring plenty of utility. Hard Rock, Progressive, Heavy Metal and very literate lyrics. BOC brings plenty to the table. Excellent concert group and master musicians. I also needed a solid 70's rock group to pair with Bad Company. I'm trying to bring Bryan Adams, Motley Crue, and The Offspring back. Very tough decisions next week. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 09/23/2020 @ 07:50am


Here is my updated list for 2021 Nominees:

Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Iron Maiden
Tommy James and the Shondells
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Cyndi Lauper
Dave Matthews Band
Megadeth
Motorhead
Mott the Hoople
John Prine
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick

Posted by Ben on Wednesday, 09/23/2020 @ 19:09pm


King,

Important. What Oct. 1 deadline are you speaking of? I think you had a post in the few weeks about Oct. 1. What date did you mention Oct 1 deadline. It's bugging me about Oct 1 deadline. Let me know when this started. I only see Oct 1 deadline mentioned ysterday. Please let me know.

Posted by Ben on Thursday, 09/24/2020 @ 04:54am


BEN
I think you are being intentionally obtuse. The October 1 deadline or date was for the FRL Regulars to submit their Final List of their 2020-2021 RRHOF Nominees. The Range usually lists from about 12-25 nominees. I think Enig might have 27 or 30 but I have lost count. This was done as music fans here would catch wind of leaks or read things late September or early October and change their list 5 or 6 different times. The October 1 was not voted on but was a kind of gentleman's agreement. Otherwise, people could keep changing their lists until the final hour of the announcement of nominees. With the pandemic and the crazy 2020 in general, I wouldn't have a problem relaxing the Final Master List of Nominees submitted by each FRL Regular to October 15. I think the last few years the RRHOF released their slate of 15-20 Nominees October 8 or 9. I'm hearing they might release the Nominees at the November 2020 Induction Ceremony. Can't confirm or deny that. We have some new blood voters this year. A group of 5-10 who will be important in shaping the FRL Hall Of Fame voting in October. I'm open to any and all suggestions. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 09/24/2020 @ 07:05am


"Every vote counts when it comes to your favorite Nominees. Get the inside look at how @EY_US helped us scale the 2020 Fan Vote to accurately capture millions of votes from passionate fans."

- Rock Hall on Twitter

And yet they won't apologize to their consumers for rigging the online fan vote and the kiosk. It goes to show how stupid and stubborn they could be when they make bad business moves.

*facepalm*

It's no wonder they suffered from the layoffs other than the pandemic.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 09/25/2020 @ 12:12pm


Oof

Yeah, I will not be surprised on all the hate comments they are gonna get.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 09/25/2020 @ 12:30pm


I'd like to see someone else do the MVP/LVP of each class like Troy L. Smith did.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 09/25/2020 @ 13:44pm


Since Tory's MVP list is up earlier, here's the LVP list! (Least Valuable Player, by the way) In many cases, the LVP is a significant drop, but there are a few of the "SOMEBODY has to be in last place" variety, like 1988, 1995, 1996, 2003, 2006, and a few others.

1986-Jerry Lee Lewis
1987-Clyde McPhatter
1988-The Drifters
1989-Dion
1990-Bobby Darin
1991-Lavern Baker
1992-Bobby "Blue" Bland
1993-Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers
1994-Duane Eddy
1995-Martha and the Vandellas
1996-Gladys Knight and the Pips
1997-The (Young) Rascals
1998-Lloyd Price
1999-Del Shannon
2000-The Lovin' Sponful
2001-Ritchie Valens
2002-Issac Hayes
2003-The Righteous Brothers
2004-The Dells
2005-Percy Sledge (Duh!)
2006-Sex Pistols
2007-The Ronetts
2008-The Dave Clark Five
2009-Jeff Beck
2010-Jimmy Cliff
2011-Dr. John
2012-Small Faces/The Faces
2013-Randy Newman
2014-Cat Stevens
2015-Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
2016-Chicago
2017-Electric Light Orchestra
2018-Bon Jovi
2019-Stevie Nicks
2020-The Doobie Brothers

Troy's list, not mine.

Posted by Follower on Friday, 09/25/2020 @ 14:12pm


Sounds like too much of his bias and not a fair try. Let me try!
(RG, The Dude, Ben this ones for you!)
1986- Ugh too good, n/a
1987- Clyde McPhatter
1988-Again, everyone here is too good
1989-Dion
1990-Hank Ballard
1991-LaVern Baker
1992-Booker T and the M.G.s (Not their fault, wrong category)
1993-Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers
1994-Duane Eddy
1995-n/a too good
1996-Little Willie John
1997-The (Young) Rascals
1998-Lloyd Price
1999-The Staple Singers
2000-The Loving Spoonful
2001-Ritchie Valens
2002-Gene Pitney
2003-The Righteous Bros.
2004-The Dells
2005-Percy Sledge
2006-This is where everyone gets pissy about. I'm gonna say none of them. Sex Pistols are very worthy, one album or not. They started a cultural movement and are the prime example of the U.K. Punk scene. Alright, moving on.
2007-The Ronettes
2008-Dave Clark Five
2009-Little Anthony and the Imperials
2010-Jimmy Cliff
2011-Dr. John
2012-Laura Nyro
2013-Randy Newman
2014-Cat Stevens
2015-Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
2016-Steve Miller (His rant was good tho)
2017-Joan Baez
2018-Bon Jovi
2019-Stevie Nicks
2020-Doobie Bros.

All in all, do not take this so seriously as it's just people's opinions.

(I actually like some these acts too!

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 09/25/2020 @ 14:45pm


)*

Also since some want a last place from me here is a quick update.
1987-Everly Brothers
1988-The Drifters
1995-Martha and the Vandellas
2006-Sex Pistols (Not last cause they suck, just because of rules)

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 09/25/2020 @ 14:50pm


Scratch that for 1999, it's Del Shannon.

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 09/25/2020 @ 14:52pm


King,

Intesnse Obtuse? Oh my, I didnt see that word coming. I have not been called that in my entire life. I have praised you and your lists many times. This is not exactly praise to me. It still remains that you have some great lists. Heyy it's been a rough year for all of us. There is worse things than being "intentionally obtuse". Somehow I missed this fact that's supposed to be obvious it seems. Ok, I'm sorry I asked that question. I was Not being intentional anything. It was just a question about the Oct. 1 deadline. It was hard to respond to a word like Obtuse. I would like to just move on. I recall something about a gentleman's agreement for Oct. 1 deadline in past years. I forgot about it. I just had to take a Time out to say this. Carry On.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 09/26/2020 @ 04:56am


BEN
I can't wait to see your Final RRHOF Nominees for the 2020-2021 cycle. Should be a great list. Enig thinks Duran Duran will be nominated this time and I agree. Having trouble with the 60's. Kind of torn by Peter, Paul & Mary, Steve Winwood, and The Guess Who. Already have Procol Harum finalized. Hope you have an enjoyable weekend. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 09/26/2020 @ 15:29pm


BEN E KING, lol.

Posted by joker on Saturday, 09/26/2020 @ 15:57pm


King,

Yeah I'm busy thinking over a final list of nominees for 2020-2021. I am indeed having trouble with the 60s. For the last couple years only MC5 have been nominated as far as a band truly from the 60s. The 60s does not just have to be represented by the loud energetic style of this band. I'm thinking the Guess Who and Procol Harum are good choices to have instead. Have a good weekend too.

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 09/26/2020 @ 21:06pm


There are a good amount of bands who put out their first releases between the late 60's and early 70's, and they also have really good shots of winning the most votes from the voting body in the next few years. The Guess Who, Procol Harum, Steppenwolf, Jethro Tull, Blue Oyster Cult, Thin Lizzy, and Krawtwerk to name many as I could.

Both the Zombies and T.Rex (who originally started off as a psychedelic folk band) made it cause they were among the longest-running snubs who got nominated at the right time with name recognition and no competition. MC5 doesn't have that over there and just can't compete with other nominees who do better than them in terms of support.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 09/26/2020 @ 23:16pm


*Kraftwerk

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 09/26/2020 @ 23:20pm


Just for the record, I don't acknowledge any October 1 deadline. I'll post thoughts when and if I feel like it.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 09/27/2020 @ 00:23am


I'm with Philip. Given that nominations could come out any time between October and March this year, it seems pointless to cut off discussion on like the one thing we talk about here so soon. My final predictions will be posted when we know that a nomination announcement is imminent.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 09/27/2020 @ 07:40am


Philip
Thanks for the write-up. You have been a valuable member here at FRL with your thoughts and predictions. I have gained much knowledge over the years from your posts. From the last few years, the RRHOF Nominations released around the October 8th and 9th. That's why October 1 seemed to be a great, natural final deadline to submit his or her slate of 15-20 Nominees. It's something I mentioned a few years ago. Some adhered to that while others waited until the last day or two. I agree with the uncertain circumstances and the pandemic...It will be better wait for those to wait into October and maybe later into the Fall to submit their Final Nominees list. Good discussion already and I think it will be great to wait later to submit the RRHOF predictions. Leaving it open seems the best course at this time. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 09/27/2020 @ 11:39am


Re. Mariah Carey:

Yeah right...

Posted by Mr. XFL on Monday, 09/28/2020 @ 11:24am


Dude,

I saw that! Truly wild, but pretty awesome and I would love to hear more.

I think she's getting in regardless but this certainly doesn't hurt. Her memoir coming out tomorrow and her 30th anniversary releases might help her get on the ballot as soon as this year.

Posted by RG on Monday, 09/28/2020 @ 11:25am


I don't know how to do any contributions here, all I do is nay say like a whiny little pussy and pretend to be cool and edgy.

#Mesowimpy

Posted by Mr. XFL on Monday, 09/28/2020 @ 11:31am


Hey The Dude,

Can you give me an example of the Hall being PC? I don't recall and I feel that our podcasts are not any better when they share the same liberal thinking.
(Just an observation, not trying to be angry)

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 09/28/2020 @ 15:05pm


@ Plebian

There are a couple of examples of political correctness in the Rock Hall. The first one is judging an act their behaviors or the severity of their criminal records weighed against their contributions to music. I used to be against the addition of R. Kelly simply because he's a pedo, but grow out of it, realizing there are inductees who had done terrible things to kids sexually. Some even said mean things with certain comments? Remember when Eric Clapton made racist comments when he was drunk on stage and called the UK "a country for whites only?"

You also have eligibles who are and were on different political spectrums that the Hall is afraid to include, thinking it would help them make more money (which it doesn't). Look at Meat Loaf, he's a Trump-loving conservative and he's not in. Same goes with the late Charlie Daniels. Tokenism does have a connection to political correctness.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 09/28/2020 @ 15:24pm


Didn't Clapton apologize for that? Also yeah I can see why. We have a murderer (Phil Spector), domestic abuser (Ike Turner), and implied rapist (2Pac). Though this is the Rock Hall of Fame, not the good person Hall of Fame. Regardless, political opinion should not be factor on why they are not in the Hall of Fame. Also it sucks that even when the Hall does do its "diversity" it feels forced and like you said feels like Tokenism. I already have 2 out of 6 people in my predictions for 2021, but again feel like Tokenism at best.

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 09/28/2020 @ 16:18pm


Yep, Eric did apologized for that and once said he had a black girlfriend to prove he isn't a racist at all. Guess his most controversial comment was probably the last nail in the coffin for his substance use and later went sober.

Posted by The Dude on Monday, 09/28/2020 @ 16:47pm


The Hall got woke, and went broke!

Posted by Follower on Monday, 09/28/2020 @ 21:15pm


Hey Dude,

I recalled something about a racist comments In the 1970s. He was in his early. Heyday as a solo act. But he was also deep into Substance abuse. It was at a 1976 concert. He is my all time favorite guitarist but he had lots of problems at that time. He didn't know what he was talking about. He embraced Black blues musicians for decades. It actually inspired me to check out lots of Blues.

It was a deplorable and horrible that he said Those things. It was his most controversial statement ever. He went sober and has apologized. People get strange when they take drugs and liquor. Racism is very bad. It is a sin but he did apologize. He is a damn good guitarist and a better person in his sober years

Posted by Ben on Tuesday, 09/29/2020 @ 07:05am


Yeah, Eric is in a better place now.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 09/29/2020 @ 11:20am


Here is my 2021 realistic ballot
Mariah Carey
Bad Company
Duran Duran
Pat Benatar
Soundgarden
Jay-Z
Boston
Dave Matthews Band
Lionel Richie
Peter Frampton
Smashing Pumpkins
America
War
Motorhead
Devo
The Replacements

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Tuesday, 09/29/2020 @ 12:12pm


A fun and random post. List of inductees who were on South Park.

Isaac Hayes (of course)
Ozzy Osbourne
Elton John
Robert Smith
Radiohead
Joe Strummer

The Snubs

Korn (The classic lineup)
Devo
Primus
Meat Loaf
Rancid
Ween
DMX
Brad Paisley

Am I missing anyone?

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 09/29/2020 @ 12:46pm


KING-Here's my 2020-2021 Cycle RRHOF Nominees List. 20 excellent nominees and a diverse group. RRHOF FINAL NOMINEES LIST. I figure I'll just get it over with as any future changes would be minor.
KING'S 2020-2021 RRHOF Nominees 4 Nomination (20).
1. Duran Duran
2. Procol Harum
3. Soundgarden
4. Smashing Pumpkins
5. Rufus/Chaka Khan
6. Judas Priest
7. Pat Benatar
8. Scorpions
9. Kool & The Gang
10. LL Cool J
11. Bad Company
12. Diana Ross
13. Rage Against The Machine
14. Iron Maiden
15. The Offspring
16. Dave Matthews Band
17. Lenny Kravitz
18. Gram/Emmylou
19. Jay-Z
20. Motley Crue
___________________________________
I really like this list as it has something for everyone. Difficult cuts include: Bryan Adams, Foo Fighters, Gloria Estefan, Mariah Carey, Megadeth, Motorhead, Peter Paul & Mary, Steve Winwood, The Eurythmics, The Go-Go's, The Guess Who, The Sonics, Tommy James etc.
LL Cool J could be left off with Jay-Z on the ballot but I think he's quite deserving. I have decided to keep Chaka Khan on. Guess she deserves 1 more chance. The hard rock and metal were very difficult. 6-10 very deserving. I decided to cut Megadeth and Motorhead this time around. Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motley Crue, and Scorpions all deserve Induction. Don't think much of an argument there. All groups incredible longevity and made their mark on metal. Also commercially successful in albums sold and things. I don't think I have too many surprises. Probably Lenny Kravitz, Scorpions, and The Offspring won't be on too many ballots. Diana Ross the slight nod over Tina Turner. Gram Parsons and Emmylou a powerful ticket. Both deserve separate performer inductions. Gram remains 1 of the highest ranked musicians not to be inducted. It's possible Dave Grohl utilizes his support for Soundgarden and Rage instead of his own group Foo Fighters. I don't know what to do with The Go-Go's. There's a lot of smoke and fire but there was plenty with Motley Crue last year. They were not nominated. Kool & The Gang might be the death beneficiary after Bell's passing. There were plenty of people surprised Kool & The Gang had not been inducted. That should change as Kool & The Gang in the Songwriters Hall Of Fame. Bad Company and Duran Duran should benefit here. Not much direct competition.
Other possible Awards. Musical Excellence-Ian Hunter. He's already passed his 80th birthday. Still going strong. There's plenty of affection for him. Sheila E. would work here.
Early Influence-Kraftwerk and MC5. Both were very influential on music and just not getting the votes. Repeated nominees. Eventually, the RRHOF will have to move on to others. 5-10 years from now, most people will forget how they were inducted.
KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 09/29/2020 @ 13:02pm


Predictions 2021

The Inductees:
Jay-Z
Foo Fighters
The Go-Gos
Bad Company
Kool and the Gang
Pat Benatar

The Nominees:
Motörhead
Kraftwerk
MC5
Rufus/Chaka Khan
John Prine
Toots and the Maytals
Duran Duran
Soundgarden
B-52s
Big Star

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 09/29/2020 @ 14:28pm


It's October 1 today but take your time on your nominations. I like 20 as it is a round number. Usually between 15-20. Wonder if Foo Fighets and Jay-Z will both be on the ballot. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 10/1/2020 @ 19:36pm


I think It's obvious to say all of the nominators from the Nom Com did all the work online. I'm starting to have a good feeling the nominees will be revealed in a month or two after the Induction Program Special despite the ongoing pandemic.

Posted by The Dude on Thursday, 10/1/2020 @ 20:25pm


I'm with you there, Dude. My totally random guess is early January for the nominations and late April/early May for the inductees.

I'd also like to revisit what we think this years pre-recorded ceremony will look like. Earlier on in the pandemic, most of us commenting here assumed that it would be a very low-key affair with no new performances due to pandemic limitations. The last month or so, though, has shown us that televised events (especially when they aren't live) can be done safely with strict distancing and testing procedures, and can be more put-together than just a series of zoom calls from peoples homes - studios are open, the VMAs & Emmys took place with performances, performance-based shows are filming and airing again. So I think it's pretty likely that what we end up getting features some new content, including performances by inducted artists and tribute performances. Most musicians will certainly not have anything better to do, since touring is still out.

What do you think? Any predictions for who might be involved with tribute performances?

Posted by RG on Thursday, 10/1/2020 @ 22:50pm


Depeche Mode-
Inductor: The Killers
Songs:Enjoy the Silence, I Just Can't Get Enough, Personal Jesus

Doobie Bros.-
Inductor:Dave Matthews
Songs:China Grove, Listen to The Music, What A Fool Believes, Long Train Running

Nine Inch Nails-
Inductor:Marilyn Manson
Songs:Hurt, Head Like A Hole, The Bite The Hans That Feeds

Whitney Houston-
Inductor:Dionne Warwick
Songs:I'm Every Woman (Chaka Kahn), I Will Always Love You (Ariana Grande),
How Will I Love (Mariah Carey)

T.Rex-
Inductor:Joe Elliot
Songs:Bang A Gong (Power Station)
Jeepster (Joan Jett),
Children of the Revolution (Kesha)

Biggie Smalls-
Inductor:Puffy Daddy
Songs:Mo Money Mo Problems,
Big Poppa (Jay-Z), Hypnotize (Jay-Z)

Jon Landau-
Inductor:Bruce Springsteen and Stevie
Van Zandt

Irving Adzroff-
Inductor:Don Henley

All-Star Jam:
Cars (with guest star Gary Numan)
(Ft. NIN and Depeche Mode)

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 10/2/2020 @ 00:51am


K-Dawg's Final Predictions List (odd that the Hall still hasn't officially enshrined the class of 2020):

1. Bad Company-a band talked about for years of being omitted. Paul Rodgers. Need you say more?
2. Alice in Chains-My gut says that they will waffle between the 2 remaining Seattle grunge bands. Both are worthy.
3. Jay Z- FYE, and from a producing and acting standpoint, a proverbial giant in the industry
4. Kraftwerk-I hold to the hope the Hall will not shunt the Godfathers of Electronic and countless genres into Musical Influence
5. Pat Benatar-Her nom and snub last year did not sit well with rock purists. She will be a perennial nominee until she is in
6. The Smashing Pumpkins-Now that NIN has gone in, look for them to turn to another seminal 90s act who has a huge following, and maybe this can be the motivation to reunite the original cast
7. Tina Turner-while I am not a fan of multiple inductions mainly because it tends to take away a spot from a ridiculously large backlog, Tina's career is too big to ignore and she does deserve to be honored independent from Ike and their supposedly abusive relationship
8. Foreigner-the token 70s pop rock band of the year, but these guys are deserving of getting in.
9. Duran Duran-New wave has been getting its due in recent years, and it's time for DD to get its love. Lockstep in many eyes with Depeche Mode as the most deserving, they also should give prog fans a little jolt
10. Motley Crue-Last year's shocking omission, the Crue will be the talk of much speculation
11. The Monkees-My perennial choice, because one year I hope they will give them the due they deserve. There aren't many 60s acts that are remaining that have been overlooked, and they are at the very top
12. Iron Maiden-As I've said before, I think they will alternate the metal heavyweights back and forth with Judas Priest, and either one really is deserving
13. The B52s-They've picked up a lot of steam in conversations, and they are an appealing band to a huge number of different groups
14. The Eurythmics-David A. Stewart and Annie Lennox are tailormade for an induction; their careers, both solo and in tandem, are the thing of legend
15. Mariah Carey-Part of me thinks the Hall might make her wait a year or two, but with Janet and Whitney going back to back, there's definitely a shot of Ms. Carey getting her due ahead of a couple other worthy female pop acts who predate her
16. The Commodores-My other shot in the dark, since the Spinners and Meters are ignored year after year (and I'm a huge Spinners proponent and have been for a decade), Lionel Richie may be an appealing choice for the Nom Com
17. Rage Against the Machine-Tom Morello's group will be back in the spotlight this year. If not for actual enshrinement, at least for political notoriety in an election year
18. Dave Mathews Band-They got ditched and broke the fan kiosk trend, so they'll be returning. Bet on it.
19. Todd Rundgren-3rd time is the charm for the talented songwriter, or will he take the vaunted ME cat?
20. Snoop Dogg-One year I'll get this right. He is overlooked, and while his influence on pop culture has extensively been beyond his music catalog, he does close the door on the West Coast juggernauts of rap until Eminem becomes eligible in a couple years

What do you think? Yes, I know I omitted Foo Fighters. That was not an accident

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 10/2/2020 @ 07:17am


Final predictions for 2021 nominees. 18 feels like a good number:

1. Jay-Z - I'd be stunned if he wasn't in on the first ballot, but I've been stunned before.
2. Pat Benatar - Sure seems like they'd give Pat another shot, since she's one of the most noteworthy female rockers not inducted yet.
3. Smashing Pumpkins - Billy Corgan takes Trent Reznor's place as the tortured genius of the 90's on the ballot.
4. Kraftwerk - I think they'll keep appearing on the ballot until they finally get their due. They're on everyone's biggest snubs list.
5. Cyndi Lauper - Many think Mariah will fill the Janet Jackson/Whitney Houston spot, but I think they'll go with another pop queen who's been around since the mid-80's.
6. Duran Duran - It sure feels like it's their time following the inductions of the Cure and Depeche Mode.
7. Soundgarden - Dave Grohl will likely want them inducted before Foo Fighters get a nom.
8. Kool & The Gang - I toyed with the Commodores here, but went with Kool & the Gang just because they're more fun.
9. Big Star - MC5 doesn't seem to have the support so we'll pivot to another seminally influential band.
10. LL Cool J - I honestly can't understand why he keeps getting passed over, so I hope the committee will give him another shot.
11. Judas Priest - They get one more chance before Iron Maiden replaces them on the ballot
12. Beck - He seems to check all the boxes. He's innovative, influential, critically acclaimed, reverent of those who came before him, and has a couple iconic songs in "Loser" and "Where It's At".
13. Joe Cocker - One of the most iconic performers at the original Woodstock deserves at least a nomination.
14. Bad Company - Paul Rodgers has one of the best voices in rock and the band has a number of recognizable songs, similar to the Doobie Brothers.
15. Tina Turner - Lots of people think she should get in as a solo artist along with her existing induction and that makes a lot of sense. Her career revival in the 80's was arguably greater than her work with Ike.
16. Dave Matthews Band - Have to give them another chance after winning the fan vote, and they'd likely win it again but still not get inducted.
17. The B-52's - One of the most distinctive bands out there. Also one of the earliest artists to make it big on college rock stations.
18. Motorhead - I can see them being someone's pet project and fighting for them to come back for a second try.

10 first-time nominees; 8 previously nominated artists

Tough omissions: Rage Against the Machine, The Smiths, Foo Fighters, The Pointer Sisters, Foreigner, Outkast

Artists I'd love to see on the ballot but who probably don't stand much of a chance: KC and the Sunshine Band, Tommy James and the Shondells, Sinead O'Connor, Supertramp, Mary J. Blige, Tori Amos

Posted by Michael W. on Friday, 10/2/2020 @ 13:04pm


The overlooking of Foo Fighters is making me sad. At first, people love them, but now safe super skeptical :(

Posted by Plebian on Friday, 10/2/2020 @ 13:43pm


I'm stunned at how quiet it is here. Did we open a new forum?

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 10/3/2020 @ 11:52am


No, we're still here.

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 10/3/2020 @ 12:50pm


We should be getting a new forum next month after the program special.

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 10/3/2020 @ 13:32pm


Nope, we just run out of things to discuss at some point when we go this long without any real news or updates.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 10/3/2020 @ 13:40pm


RG,

That's the point. We should be running headlong into predictions and analysis at this point. It's just gone silent. I realize there's been next to nothing of a word from the RRHOF and the NomCom about 2021, but richie's constant incessant prattling to get us to predict acts for the next 30 years has finally reached the appropriate time, and it seems the group is a bit burned out? Where is Enig, Ben, Will F, and the rest of the regulars with their predictions? Not calling anyone out, just throwing up some people off the top of my head I haven't seen yet. And richie, do us a favor and predict your 2021 and repost it. Now that I've researched and done my list, I'm ready to see analysis...

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 10/3/2020 @ 15:37pm


:(

Posted by Plebian on Saturday, 10/3/2020 @ 17:35pm


K-Dawg,

No worries! You're totally right. In that case, I'll give you some feedback on your list.

Artists that are also on my prediction list:
Bad Company
Jay-Z
Kraftwerk
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Rage Against the Machine
Todd Rundgren
I think we're pretty much in agreement on why these artists will be here, so I'm not going to go into detail here.

The rest of your list is very plausible, so I'm just gonna note a few things that stick out.

Mariah Carey - I initially had been thinking that she would wait a few more years. After all, Whitney had to wait way too long. I am now warming to the idea of her being on this years ballot. She has had a pretty big year, releasing her memoir and a bunch of material to mark the 30th anniversary of her debut, plus her Songwriters Hall of Fame induction and "All I Want For Christmas Is You" hitting #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 25 years after its release. As I'm typing this, I am strongly considering bumping her up to my official prediction list next time I update. We'll see.

Commodores - The Hall has unfortunately not been too great at pushing for 70s R&B representation in the last few years. I think The Commodores, Rufus/Chaka, & Kool & The Gang all have pretty even chances of making this ballot. I currently predict Kool.

Snoop Dogg - That's a very interesting pick. I think he deserves to be in eventually, but I don't see him making the ballot this year for a few reasons. 1 - Hopefully the Hall will be at a place in the near future where more than one rapper/hip hop group can be on the ballot without sabotaging both artists chances, but I unfortunately don't think we're there yet. 2 - Doggystyle was obviously a massive album, and he has some huge hits, but at this point in time he is kinda more notable for his celebrity/public persona than for the quality of his music. There is certainly room for him in the Hall, but I think the priority for rappers that have so far been overlooked will be LL Cool J and Outkast.

The Monkees - The supposedly disqualifying fact that they were a constructed band from a TV show seems like it matters less and less each year. Very plausible.

I remain unconvinced about the chances of Tina Turner (but hope I'm wrong) and the Dave Matthews Band (and hope I'm right).

I would also love to hear if you have any predictions for an unexpected wild card pick - artists that have made the ballot in recent years like John Prine, Los Lobos, Bad Brains, and arguably the Dave Matthews Band.

Posted by RG on Saturday, 10/3/2020 @ 18:34pm


there are other queries I have and will make in time, but I wonder--will AIC and Soundgarden be rotating? There is a groundswell for Chris Cornell's recent passing, but Layne Staley has been dead for a decade and they barely get a whisper despite being equally as iconic as Soundgarden almost down to song for song...

Posted by K Dawg on Saturday, 10/3/2020 @ 19:05pm


Hey Guys;
I think all of your prediction lists were great.. K-Dawg, Michael W., KING, RG with very cool feedback and info, and Plebian, we could only hope that the Hall or whoever checks out your list of inductors and song playlist. If it went down like that, would be awesome, pretty spot on. Also, I am a huge Gary Numan fan, and to end the show with "Cars" would be icing on the cake for me..
Hopefully I will get some sort of nominee prediction list together soon.

Posted by Will N. on Saturday, 10/3/2020 @ 22:31pm


Will N., RG, Enig, Plebian, Michael W., KING and Ben,

My official predictions for the 2021 nominees are:

The B-52's/The Replacements (one of those)
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Joe Cocker/Tommy James & The Shondells/The Monkees (one of those)
The Commodores/The Meters/The Spinners/War (one of those)
Eurythmics/The Smiths (one of those)
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest/Iron Maiden/Motorhead/Thin Lizzy (one of those)
Carole King/Gram Parsons/Todd Rundgren (one of those)
Kraftwerk
MC5
Rage Against The Machine/Soundgarden (one of those)
Rufus With Chaka Khan/Chaka Khan (solo) (one of those)
Tina Turner

I chose 17 nominees, I chose only acts that have been either previously nominated for the Rock Hall or previously considered, The acts that I chose for my predictions list I feel are the most likely to appear on the ballot this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 10/4/2020 @ 13:12pm


Will N., RG, Enig, Plebian, Michael W., KING and Ben,

My official predictions for the 2021 nominees are:

The B-52's/Jane's Addiction/Pixies/The Replacements/Sonic Youth (one of those)
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Joe Cocker/Tommy James & The Shondells/The Monkees (one of those)
The Commodores/The Meters/The Spinners/War/Barry White (one of those)
Eurythmics/The Smiths (one of those)
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest/Iron Maiden/Motorhead/Thin Lizzy (one of those)
Carole King/Gram Parsons/Todd Rundgren (one of those)
Kraftwerk
MC5
Rage Against The Machine/Soundgarden (one of those)
Rufus With Chaka Khan/Chaka Khan (solo) (one of those)
Tina Turner

I chose 17 nominees, I chose only acts that have been either previously nominated for the Rock Hall or previously considered, The acts that I chose for my predictions list this year I feel are the most likely to appear on the ballot this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 10/4/2020 @ 13:46pm


Richie,

If I were to speculate on a preliminary list of the 2021 nominees. I would think that quite a few of the same old stalwarts will return. Also, since no major "prog" bands have been nominated during the past 2 years, I would expect to see more of a "prog" presence especially after the recent unfortunate and untimely passing of the magnificent Neil Peart. Additionally, the recent passing of Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk may improve the chances of Kraftwerk's induction. John Prine may receive an induction, due to his recent passing from complications due to COVID-19. Therefore, here is my (recently modified) preliminary list of the 2021 nominees:

01. The Bangles
02. Duran Duran
03. Jethro Tull
04. Procol Harum
05. Pat Benatar/Neil Giraldo
06. Sade
07. Carly Simon
08. Kraftwerk
09. Tina Turner (solo)
10. Willie Nelson
11. John Prine
12. B-52s
13. Motörhead
14. Joy Division/New Order
15. Dave Matthews Band
16. Thin Lizzy
17. Eurythmics
18. Kool & The Gang
19. MC5
20. Go-Gos
21. Jay Z

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/4/2020 @ 19:37pm


Will N., RG, Plebian, Michael W., KING and Ben,

My official predictions for the 2021 nominees are:

The B-52's/Devo/Jane's Addiction/Pixies/The Replacements/Sonic Youth (one of those)
Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Kate Bush
Joe Cocker/Tommy James & The Shondells/The Monkees (one of those)
The Commodores/The Meters/The Spinners/War/Barry White (one of those)
Eurythmics/The Smiths (one of those)
Foo Fighters
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest/Iron Maiden/Motorhead/Thin Lizzy (one of those)
Carole King/Gram Parsons/Todd Rundgren (one of those)
Kraftwerk
MC5/New York Dolls (one of those)
Rage Against The Machine/Soundgarden (one of those)
Rufus With Chaka Khan/Chaka Khan (solo) (one of those)
Tina Turner

I chose 17 nominees this year, I chose only acts that have been either previously nominated for the Rock Hall or previously considered, The acts that I chose for my predictions list this year I feel are the most likely to appear on the ballot this year.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 10/4/2020 @ 20:17pm


Ben's Final predictions for the 2021 Nominees:

Bad Company
Pat Benatar
Duran Duran
Iron Maiden
Tommy James & the Shondells
Jay-Z
Jethro Tull
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Dave Matthews Band
Megadeth
Motley Crue
Mott the Hoople
John Prine
Rage Against the Machine
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Soundgarden
Thin Lizzy
Tina Turner
Dionne Warwick

What are you thoughts? I wanted to include Kool & the Gang and Cyndi Lauper but I think they will wait on them. And yes I too omitted Foo Fighters. That was not an accident for me either

Posted by Ben on Monday, 10/5/2020 @ 04:53am


For some reason I've had a difficult time marshaling my thoughts on predictions for the 2021 class. I think the schedule change has been a part of that, with the official nominations not coming out for at least another month or so. But I suddenly realized I need to start considering the Projected vote next week, which led me to think about predictions. I guess this is where we are leaving these posts (probably need a new page for next year's vote put up soon).

I have really enjoyed looking at the predictions that are already posted. Awesome post this morning by Hall Watchers, which has really prompted me to get my act together. The hardest part of this exercise is balancing the ideal ballot with a realistic viewpoint. Thank you to Ben, K-Dawg, KING, RG and others who have already posted their best guesses.

Hopefully I will get this figured out in my head and posted in the next couple of days. God knows I can't do much worse than last year, when I think I only got about 5 right (give or take, I'm too lazy to look it up). I will probably limit my guesses to about 16. I try to match the previous year number to be fair.

Keep the predictions coming everyone.

Posted by remy10 on Monday, 10/5/2020 @ 08:43am


Remy makes a good point.Scorpions will receive my vote but I'm open on the other six for Projected HOF!Anybody have any discussion on Anthrax or Cher or Sheryl Crow or The Cranberries!KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 10/5/2020 @ 09:32am


With Eddie Van Halen's death, The class of 2007 now has three dead members. The other two are Cowboy and Estelle Bennet. This also makes the class of 2017 the class with the most living members: only Tupac and Chris Squire are dead.

I think I'll post the "Master" list of living Hall of famers from the 80's, 90's and 00's classes.:
1986: 2/17 (Jerry Lee Lewis and Don Everly)
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 10/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Mary Wilson, Charlie Thomas, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 10/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Charlie Watts, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, Otis Williams, and Phil Spector)
1990: 14/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 8/21 (David Crosby, Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Tina Turner, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash, and Sam Gooden)
1992: 13/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 15/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Hilton Valentine, Garth Hudson, Robbie Robertson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 12/25 (Al Green, Dickey Betts, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 23/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Calvin Simon, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, Gene Cornish, and Dino Danelli)
1998: 20/30 (Don Felder, Don Henley, Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner, Timothy B. Schmit, Joe Walsh, Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, Christine McVee, John McVee, Stevie Nicks, Jeremey Spencer, Lloyd Price, Michelle Phillips, Jose Chepito Areas, Mike Carabello, Gregg Rolie, Carlos Santana, and Michael Shrieve)
1999: 5/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, Mavis Staples, and Pervis Staples)
2000: 15/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Fred White, Verdine White, Andrew Woolfolk, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2001: 14/26 (James Burton, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Joe Perry, Steven Tyler, Brad Whitford, Tommy Hunt, Terry "Buzzy" Johnson, Paul Simon, John Deacon, Brain May, Roger Taylor, Donald Fagen, and Chris Blackwell.)
2002: 11/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, Benmont Tench, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 17/23 (Brian Johnson, Phil Rudd, Cliff Williams, Angus Young, Terry Chimes, Topper Headon, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Elvis Costello, Steve Nieve, Bruce Thomas, Pete Thomas, Stewart Coppeland, Sting, Andy Summers, Bill Medley, and Mo Ostin.)
2004: 10/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill, and Jann S. Wenner)
2005: 12/17 (Buddy Guy, Eddie Levert, Bobby Massey, Sammy Strain, Walter Williams, Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, Bono, Adam Clayton, The Edge, Larry Mullen, and Seymour Stein)
2006: 19/28 (Gezer Butler, Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Clem Burke, Jimmy Destri, Nigel Harrison, Debbie Harry, Frank Infante, Chris Stein, Gary Valentine, Artimus Pyle, Gary Rossington, Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock, Johnny Rotten, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss.)
2007: 16/19 (Everyone but Cowboy, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen are alive.)
2008: 7/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Don Wilson, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2009: 13 or 14/21 (Spooner Oldham, Jeff Beck, Clarence Collins, Anthony Gourdine, Sammy Strain, Ernist Wright Jr., Kirk Hammett, James Hetfield, Jason Newstead, Robert Trujillo, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels, Joseph "DJ Run" Simmons, and Wanda Jackson. It is unknown if Glouster "Nat" Rogers is alive or dead.)


And from 2010 and onward, the dead members will be listed, aside from 2012:

2010: 22/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 9/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, and Leon Russell)
2012: 30 or 31/70 (In this case, I'll list the living ones: Tommy Facenda, Dickie Harrell, Bobby Jones, Joey Ambrose, Jerry Alison, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Norman Thrasher, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, all seven members in Guns N Roses, every Chili Pepper other than Hillel Slovak [7 members], Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, and Glyn Johns. It is unknown if Charles Sutton is alive or dead.)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 22/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, and Eazy-E)
2017: 26/28 (Tupac Shakur and Chris Squire)
2018: 20/25 (Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 16/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 10/6/2020 @ 16:05pm


They announced the list of special guests for the induction special. Let's try to figure out who will be involved in each segment -

The Doobie Brothers
- Billy Gibbons
- Don Henley
- Adam Levine

T. Rex
- Billy Idol
- Iggy Pop
- Nancy Wilson

Depeche Mode
- Chris Martin
- St. Vincent

Whitney Houston
- Jennifer Hudson
- Alicia Keys

Nine Inch Nails
- Dave Grohl
- Miley Cyrus

Notorious B.I.G.
- Sean "Diddy" Combs
- Lin Manuel-Miranda

Jon Landau
- Bruce Springsteen

Irving Azoff
- Gwen Stefani
- Ringo Starr

Nothing comes to mind for how Brad Paisley, Luke Bryan, and Charlize Theron fit in.

Posted by RG on Thursday, 10/8/2020 @ 14:24pm


The Rock Hall has announced the people that will be appearing on the 2020 Induction Special airing on HBO and streaming on HBO Max on Saturday, November 7 and they are:

Luke Bryan
Sean "Diddy" Combs
Miley Cyrus
Billy Gibbons
Dave Grohl
Don Henley
Jennifer Hudson
Billy Idol
Iggy Pop
Alicia Keys
Adam Levine
Chris Martin
Lin-Manuel Miranda
Brad Paisley
Bruce Springsteen
St. Vincent
Ringo Starr
Gwen Stefani
Charlize Theron
Nancy Wilson

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 10/8/2020 @ 14:29pm


Alright I'm back from B-day! And wow! One minute I'm gone and the Rock Hall has just announced the people that will help with the ceremony. Personally, I think they missed the ball on this one. Not to be bias, but the choices for induction people I made were way more interesting than what they got. Though I should not surprised as this is during pandemic time. So excited! Got to subscribe to HBO MAX now!

Posted by Plebian on Thursday, 10/8/2020 @ 17:55pm


When will we be told who the presenters are for each of the 2020 inductees?

https://futurerocklegends.com/past.php

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 10/8/2020 @ 19:03pm


Special Guest Stars Announced For THE ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME 2020 INDUCTIONS Debuting November 7 On HBO

https://pressroom.warnermedia.com/ca/media-release/special-guest-stars-announced-rock-roll-hall-fame-2020-inductions-debuting-november-7

The 2020 Performer Inductees Are Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails, The Notorious B.I.G., and T-Rex

The Ahmet Ertegun Award Honorees Are Jon Landau and Irving Azoff

THE ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME 2020 INDUCTIONS debuts SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 7 (8:00 p.m. ET/PT) on HBO and to stream on HBO Max. The special presentation will honor this year's inductees: Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails, The Notorious B.I.G., T-Rex, and Ahmet Ertegun Award honorees Jon Landau and Irving Azoff. This special event is in lieu of the live Induction Ceremony originally scheduled for May 2 of this year.

The special will feature guests including Luke Bryan, Sean "Diddy" Combs, Miley Cyrus, Billy Gibbons, Dave Grohl, Don Henley, Jennifer Hudson, Billy Idol, Iggy Pop, Alicia Keys, Adam Levine, Chris Martin, Lin-Manuel Miranda, Brad Paisley, Bruce Springsteen, St. Vincent, Ringo Starr, Gwen Stefani, Charlize Theron, Nancy Wilson and more, all highlighting the importance and influence of the 2020 inductees.

Dave Grohl kicks off the show with a heartfelt introduction to this year's class of inductees, and the special guests will speak further on how the 2020 inductees impacted their personal and professional careers.

"We're honored to come together with this distinguished group of musicians and artists to celebrate our 2020 class of inductees," said Joel Peresman, President and CEO of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. "While this year's program will be different than those of years past, we look forward to recognizing their impact on the industry, their fans and the next generation of artists."

THE ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME 2020 INDUCTIONS is executive produced by Joel Gallen, John Sykes, and Joel Peresman; directed by Joel Gallen.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 00:37am


PRESENTER PREDICTIONS

Bruce Springsteen speaks for Jon Landau.

Don Henley speaks for Irving Azoff.

Ringo Starr speaks for T. Rex

Chris Martin and Gwen Stefani speak for Depeche Mode.

Luke Bryan and Brad Paisley speak for the Doobie Brothers.

Jennifer Hudson and Alicia Keys speak for Whitney Houston.

St. Vincent and Miley Cyrus speak for Nine Inch Nails.

Puff Daddy and Lin-Manuel Miranda speak for the Notorious B.I.G.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 00:42am


Ahh. And So they have announced the special guests for the 2020 Induction special. I will start by predicting Presenters.

Don Henley, Luke Bryan and Brad Paisley speak for the Doobie Brothers

Ringo Starr speaks for T. Rex

Jennifer Hudson and Alicia Keys speak for Whitney Houston

I will start with these 3. They are the easiest ones for me. I recall that Jennifer Hudson and Alicia Keys admire Whitney from way back. Thats it for now

Posted by Ben on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 04:57am


I've gotta say, Diddy and Lin Manuel Miranda being the only rappers on this roster does not bode well at all for the Notorious BIG segment.

Posted by RG on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 08:46am


Am I the only who doesn't like the idea of Miley Cyrus doing a possible segment for NIN? They coulda went with one of Trent's peers from other bands like Al Jourgensen from Ministry.

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 09:23am


I don't have a big problem with Miley for NIN. It's a bit out of the box, but her more recent work is definitely influenced by them, and she covered/parodied several of their songs for the Black Mirror episode that she starred in. Since industrial rock is such a niche genre (of which Nine Inch Nails is easily the most notable band), it makes sense that they would want to go for a mainstream voice that is well known among the general population to induct rather than someone from a similar, but lesser-known band.

Posted by RG on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 09:47am


A compelling list, Ben...my input is below. I leave the ones I've already listed on my own predictions:

Bad Company- K-Dawg prediction
Pat Benatar- K-Dawg prediction
Duran Duran- K-Dawg prediction
Iron Maiden- K-Dawg prediction
Tommy James & the Shondells-first break. Interesting but solid pick. They are always in the conversation, but often are forgotten. They might be another 60s sneaker
Jay-Z - K-Dawg prediction
Jethro Tull-Excellent choice. Prog pioneers who are among the biggest omissions. I figure they might take another year off, and focus more on a couple 70s pop rock acts who are darlings of the rock purist masses.
Judas Priest-They are a worthy enough pick, but I don't see the Hall putting them and Maiden on the same ballot. The premise also holds true for Maiden...
Kraftwerk- K-Dawg prediction
Dave Matthews Band- K-Dawg prediction
Megadeth- My first eyebrow raiser of your list. If the Hall wants to get their act together about metal, these guys are going to be in the conversation at some point. I believe Dave Mustaine has had some health issues, but obviously, the Nom Com usually ignores this...
Motley Crue- K-Dawg prediction
Mott the Hoople- Another solid choice, but buried in the annals of the 70s. They would have a solid fan support
John Prine- I think, from the gut, they are going to bypass him as a full member and probably ME him.
Rage Against the Machine- K-Dawg prediction
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan-Sooner or later, the sun is going to set on Rufus and MC5 (hopefully, Kraftwerk will not suffer that fate). I am continually frustrated that the committee always forgets the 70s R and B acts unless their names are the O'Jays or Earth Wind and Fire...
Soundgarden-Not a surprise at all to see them on most lists, but personally I hope they give AIC a look this time, while not at all forgetting about Cornell and crew
Thin Lizzy-one of those picks that send the rock purists into a frenzy, I really think Lizzy is a good but not great band. This is of course, just my opinion.
Tina Turner- K-Dawg prediction
Dionne Warwick- A good pick, but I'm not sure the nomcom is gonna know what to do with 3 solo female acts and a prominent one included in a 4th. I think Diana Ross would also get a solo look before Dionne.

Just some thoughts. I know you like critical analysis, so I know you won't take this negatively. Great list, once again!

Posted by K Dawg on Friday, 10/9/2020 @ 23:44pm


K-Dawg,

Another dude it's always good to hear from. My final predictions has something for everyone. We have a whole bunch in common. Bad Company, Pat Benatar and Duran Duran all have a really good chance at nomination this year. Kraftwerk is common prediction on here. I know very little about Dance music myself but I know they started out in my teenage time with Tran Europe Express. You dont have to be a Kraftwerk fan to include them. I have a God daughter who is 23. She loves Dance music. She has never heard of Kraftwerk but I guess the influence is in her favorite music. She has mentioned some guy named Todd Terry. I suppose Kraftwerk influenced a guy like that. Beats the hell out of me. I've analyzed Kraftwerk before. If it wasn't for the prominence of Kraftwerk I would probably other favs like Joe Walsh and George Thorogood on my list. This way I include Electro music.
We both predict Dave Matthews Band. It stands to reason that since they won the Fan vote but lost for induction that the Hall gives them another shot. I pick John Prine because the Halll may be looking for Homage to him. Plus it acknowledges the sad effects of the Pandemic. He has been nominated before. I agree that the sun will set on Rufus. But not yet. That's too bad because I regret not picking Kool & the Gang due to them. That's a deserved overdue act. There have been almost no R&B acts actually inducted since the O'Jays. I'm glad we agree on Tina Turner. She is totally overdue. You probably know she had some serious health problems for 5 years. There was rumors that she was dying. They are totally false. I am a bit of a fan. I googled for real facts. Tina had a stroke and intestinal cancer, But she won the battles. She is in good enough health to travel and give interviews. She gave an interview in August. But come on let's have her inducted before we really lose her. Tina is now 80 years old. You have a great list too. That's it for Now

Posted by Ben on Saturday, 10/10/2020 @ 05:24am


Now with so many deaths, I wonder who will get a tribute performance.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 10/11/2020 @ 02:23am


Follower,

That's a good question, but I think that Neil Peart and Eddie Van Halen are a good bet.

Well, what do you think?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 10/11/2020 @ 14:13pm



Wow another bull shit year the best one is the Dobbie Brothers. What About ,UFO,IRON MAIDEN ,JUDAS PRIEST, DIO, RAINBOW, THIN LIZZY , SCORPIONS, OZZY, IS ACDC IN IT YET FOR GOD SAKE WHAT A JOKE WHITNEY HOUSTON OVER ALL OF THEM WOW More WHITE SNAKE, BLACK LABEL SOCIETY, ALICE COOPER, ROB ZOMBIE,TED NUGENT,FOGHAT, MOUNTAIN,MOTORHEAD, WASP,THE WHO, WAKE UP JUDGES LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE GOD DAM WHAT A FREAKIN JOKE

Posted by WAYNE HARRIS on Tuesday, 10/27/2020 @ 16:51pm


@ WAYNE HARRIS

Okay, gramps. Time to go back your local nursing home.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 10/27/2020 @ 18:33pm


Whitney Houston had more talent and success than most of those bands could ever dream of.

Posted by RG on Tuesday, 10/27/2020 @ 19:12pm


Do not feed the trolls, guys. They are just asking for it.

Posted by Plebian on Tuesday, 10/27/2020 @ 20:15pm


THE 2020 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTION CEREMONY TONIGHT AT 8 ON HBO AND HBOMAX

https://www.hbo.com/specials/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame

https://www.hbomax.com

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 18:41pm


If you find a free live HBO feed, post the link here.

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 18:44pm


Does anyone know where I could watch the special program live on HBO max?

Posted by The Dude on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 18:47pm


Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony 2020 Live Stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYrvUi36ShU

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 18:53pm



THE ORDER OF INDUCTIONS

1. The Doobie Brothers
2. Nine Inch Nails
3. Irving Azoff
4. The Notorious B.I.G.
5. Depeche Mode
6. Jon Landau
7. T. Rex
8. Whitney Houston

Posted by Rooy on Saturday, 11/7/2020 @ 21:14pm


I think I cracked a formula (not accurate, but bear with me) by following the 2020 inductees

Depeche Mode-New Wave/80s Alt
Biggie Smalls-Rap/Hip-Hop
Whitney Houston-Pop or R and B
Doobie Brothers-Classic Rock
T.Rex-Act that is super Influential, but low in commercial success
NIN-90s act

Who do you think will get in based on this formula?
Just pure speculation :)

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 01:02am


Ceremony was great! Really heartfelt!

Posted by Plebian on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 12:50pm


Proposal:
For the next 6 years, start each HOF induction ceremony with a kickoff live performance by one of the 6 acts (or a tribute to the deceased acts) that were denied the opportunity to do one this year...

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 13:41pm


Let me guess, there were either no tribute performances, or just one for EVH.

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 11/8/2020 @ 16:18pm


No new performances at all, as previously announced-
Pretty short induction comments for each with quick cut comments by other folks, and mini-documentaries for each, a bit more fleshed out than the ones they've already been doing at the HOF, with bits of major songs from their career and clips of them in live performances.

For Eddie there's video of Slash, Morello and a couple others talking about his skills over various videos of EVH playing solos in concert, leading into the In Memoriam section which ends with an emphasis on a little Richard. The music for the segment were clips of a few appropriate songs from HOF members who were lost this year.

Overall, it was enjoyable but I for one would have loved at least one full song for each artist; and I thought there was no satisfying climactic ending. When the Whitney doc is over, they roll credits and play short bits of songs again from the inducted performers.

It would have been improved by ending with at least one full song( preferably done as a newly recorded live performance).

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 00:02am


I take it a lot of the hall watcher community either have a lot of things to say about the special, or didn't see it yet (Maybe they wanted to watch Joe Biden instead?)

Posted by Follower on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 19:34pm


Haha this class can't catch a break, between having to change plans and now the first airing being at the same time as the President-Elect's victory speech.

I finally got a chance to watch it this afternoon. I thought it was very well put together! While I was definitely missing the live energy and the performances, I thought they did a very good job editing together the historical footage with interviews and narration. In fact, I kind of preferred this style to the typical Reel->Long Induction Speech->Long Acceptance Speech format.

I was relieved that they had more speakers for each segment than initially announced. I was very worried that Diddy and Lin-Manuel were going to be the only rappers speaking about Notorious BIG, so I was happy that they were able to interview Nas, Jay-Z, Faith Evans, and others for this. I also appreciated how well they were able to match the tone of each artists music with the editing of their segment - Nine Inch Nails in particular stood out to me in this way.

This was a great class, probably my second favorite of recent years behind the high water mark of 2019. I would love to see, even if it's not a full performance, this years inductees being involved in some way in next years ceremony to make up for the lack of live ceremony this year.

Just three more months to wait until 2021 nominations, folks. Light at the end of the tunnel.

Posted by RG on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 21:38pm


Is it just me or does Depeche Mode get the most slander in this class? Like what is up with that?

Posted by Plebian on Monday, 11/9/2020 @ 22:20pm


Here's my objective rankings of the Class of 2020 performers.

Depeche Mode - 8/10
They're one of the most defining acts of the 1980s having critical acclaim & had been an influence to fellow Alternative/New Wave Bands, they definitely deserve to be inducted.
The Doobie Brothers - 6/10
Although they might not have enough critical acclaim & not as influential as the other 70s bands that got in before them but they have so much popularity. Congrats to them.
Whitney Houston - 9/10
She's one of the most influential female singers that ever existed, cited as an influence. Too sad she's gone too soon. She definitely deserves to be enshrined.
Nine Inch Nails - 9/10
They were one of the most important bands of the 90s generation, they put industrial music on the map. So glad they got inducted alongside DM a year after The Cure.
Notorious BIG - 7/10
He's definitely worthy of induction, he had a short but impactful career whom influenced today's rappers. So he deserves to be enshrined.
T. Rex - 8/10
They pioneered on what Glam Rock would become, they influenced countless of artists from Alternative/Punk to Metal anchored by Marc Bolan's charismatic rock n roll presence. They have critical acclaim with Electric Warrior & I'm proud to say that they definitely came to the right place in the RRHOF.

Posted by Navonte Robertson on Wednesday, 11/11/2020 @ 09:19am


ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?! Why the hell woukd Notorious BIG and lame Whitney Huston even be considered in thenROCK N ROLL Hall of fame? And to pass up MC5- the band that deserves it more that ANYONE on that pathetic list (except T. rex of course who shoulda been in decades ago) KICK OUT THE JAMS. Rap should have its own , and we wouldn't expect GUNS n ROSES to be in that one . THIS IS A JOKE

Posted by Paulie Hips on Monday, 11/23/2020 @ 02:35am


Look man.... I'm an old school kinda guy, and quite frankly I don't get it..
I thought this is the rock 'n' roll Hall of Fame... not the pop or rap or hip-hop Hall of Fame... not taking away anything from those genres or artists they are very deserving in their own right with their own awards and halls of fame, but leave the rock 'n' roll Hall of Fame for the rock and rollers man...

Posted by Vincent on Tuesday, 01/26/2021 @ 17:19pm


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