Television

Not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Eligible since: 2000 (The 2001 Induction Ceremony)

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Inducted into Rock Hall Projected in 2027 (ranked #226) .


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Will Television be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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me2, I would not want to be in your position...the joy of listening to Television is one of life's great pleasures. Start listening to them, along with other underground and indie acts, then you'll come back hear and realize just why Manilow, Diamond and Mellencamp don't deserve induction.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 02.14.07 @ 13:50pm


Casper the friendly ghost,
How can you think Manilow is not a rock God.
I bet he would kick Televisions ass.
I bet you know all of the words to "Mandy" and play air guitar to "Weekend in New England"..

Posted by me2 on Thursday, 02.15.07 @ 14:09pm


Kit: "The Television Rule applies here; One album isn't enough, no matter how good."

Please expound, Kit. Was there 2nd studio album so bad and 3rd so posthumous as to make "Marquee Moon" their only true and good product?

Posted by shawn mc on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 13:54pm


I'm not sure where Kit first expressed the 'Television Rule', but does that rule also apply to The Sex Pistols? They only had one proper record of note. It was a hell of a record, though.

Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 15:23pm


Their second album, Adventure, has only one song of note (Foxhole) and the unbearable tension and interlocking solos of Marquee Moon is replaced by keyboards and soft backing vocals. Just a really dissapointing affair. I haven't checked their 90s reunion album out, but I get a bad vibe off those.

Dezmond, I believe I expressed the television rule in Blind Faith, and someone brought out the very same counterexample. The Pistols get in on their sheer cultural impact. Their influence goes far beyond the music on that album, it goes to every garage in America and Britain over the next 30 or so years.

Posted by Kit on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 18:11pm


Like I have said before, I think bands are "underground" for a reason

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 20:21pm


A band may be "underground" (as the public perceives it) for any number of reasons. Insinuating that it's because they're not good or not influential, which is what you're doing, is just incredibly stupid of you. Musicians tend to be more informed than the public anyway, so it's not unusual for a band that is incredibly influential among other musicians to be virtually unknown to the public, or "underground." Most people couldn't tell you much about Citizen Kane aside from the scenes that have become cultural canon, and it was a complete commercial failure when it released, but film critics unanimously recognize its importance. The same rules apply. Influence and innovation are important. Popularity is irrelevant.

Posted by William on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 21:04pm


"Dezmond, I believe I expressed the television rule in Blind Faith"

Actually you brought the rule out in reference to Arrested Development.

So Television, though noteworthy, does not have enough of a resume for the Hall?

Posted by shawn mc on Monday, 06.11.07 @ 23:34pm


So the Sex Pistols are an exception to the Television Rule. Fair enough. That makes sense.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 06:47am


Take it easy William....first, I like some more obscure bands - i.e, I like Particle, yet virtually no one has ever heard of them.

In any event, there are a number of reasons bands are "underground." One, may be due to bad marketing or PR. Could be due to the band members not being interested in a "Big" music career. There are a plethora of reasons. But, one last reason bands could be underground is because they suck, blow, are shit and no one gives a rats ass about their lack of talent.

Interestingly, seems that you read into my statment as being the latter explanation...I guess that's your choice, but I guess that makes you the bigger idiot...

Oh, and btw, I saw the movie Citizen Kane, and it sucked. Unlike you, I do not pretend to like something simply b/c it will make me appear different, smarter or more elite....

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 19:29pm


"Influence and innovation are important. Popularity is irrelevant"

Totally wrong....first, I highly doubt that the band Television is very influential. Plus, virtually every band in the hall has been commerically successful. In fact, in virtually every "description" of the bands that are in the hall (i.e. Van Halen, REM, U-2, Police, Prince, etc.) record sales, concert sales, and commercial success is directly mentioned - that is a fact. If you do not believe me, then take a look for yourself.....I know, I know, I know the Velvet Underground lacked commercial success, but were very influential, save your breath...they are the fuckin' exception, not the rule......

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 19:37pm


"Interestingly, seems that you read into my statment as being the latter explanation...I guess that's your choice, but I guess that makes you the bigger idiot..."

You were strongly implying it. You didn't even say "some bands," you just said "bands" in general are "underground for a reason." I think you're just backpedaling.

"Oh, and btw, I saw the movie Citizen Kane, and it sucked. Unlike you, I do not pretend to like something simply b/c it will make me appear different, smarter or more elite...."

Did I say it was a "good" movie? No, but it was a very influential and innovative film, particularly in its cinematography. Unlike you, I'm capable of being objective.

"first, I highly doubt that the band Television is very influential"

Never said they were. You're 0 for 3.

"In fact, in virtually every "description" of the bands that are in the hall (i.e. Van Halen, REM, U-2, Police, Prince, etc.) record sales, concert sales, and commercial success is directly mentioned - that is a fact. If you do not believe me, then take a look for yourself.....I know, I know, I know the Velvet Underground lacked commercial success, but were very influential, save your breath...they are the fuckin' exception, not the rule......"

I would say that's one reason why the current Hall is a failure and almost no one is happy with it. Big sales might contribute to impact, but they're not the reason. If the Beatles only sold 1000 records, they'd still be the fucking Beatles. "Beatlemania" was just overkill.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 20:08pm


"I highly doubt that the band Television is very influential."

U2 would like a word with you outside.

Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 20:28pm


William, think you need another outlet there.......

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 20:47pm


"U2 would like a word with you outside."

Boy, that's a long list of bands....Oh, yeah, and U-2 sounds just like Television, they are very similar bands....

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 20:54pm


With regards to pouplarity and commercial success:

Bands can be succesful commerically for two main reasons. One, is that the music is not very good, lacks substance, but sells (i.e. see Brittany Spears, Def Leppard, etc.) because it is catchy.

Or, bands can be commerically succesful because the music IS THAT GOOD - i.e. see many of the bands in the RRHOF - Beatles, Who, Zeppelin, Police, U-2, etc. So, stop ragging on the hall - yes, it is far from perfect, but stop with the black and white thinking. Bands can be very good AND be commercially successful - that is the ultimate goal, I would imagine of any aspiring band - to play the kind of music that the band likes, to be of high quality, and for people to actually like it....

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 21:04pm


"Boy, that's a long list of bands....Oh, yeah, and U-2 sounds just like Television, they are very similar bands...."

Did you listen to Bono's induction speech? Television is in the "U2 Hall of Fame."

They're also cited repeatedly by bands in the "grage rock revival" movement, the foremost of which would be The Strokes.

Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 21:24pm


Like I said, not much of a catolog of bands they influenced....when u cite the "garage rock revival", you are reaching.....

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 21:44pm


Not a reach at all.

Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 06.12.07 @ 21:50pm


"Like I said, not much of a catolog of bands they influenced....when u cite the "garage rock revival", you are reaching.."

Oops - gotta call you on this one Anon. Are you forgetting The White Stripes? How about Yeah Yeah Yeahs? Jet? Kings of Leon, Mooney Suzuki, The Vines, The Hives and The Strokes?

"Garage Rock" also could be said to have fed into the larger/broader Grunge Rock and the nascent stages of Alternative back when that actuall y meant something more specific in the 80's.

Posted by shawn mc on Wednesday, 06.13.07 @ 00:01am


We'll have to agree to disagree....I just think a band like TV is minor in the big picture of rock music.....don't think you will see them in the RHOF

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 06.13.07 @ 01:18am


Boy, that's a long list of bands....Oh, yeah, and U-2 sounds just like Television, they are very similar bands....

Posted by Anonymous on


Marquee Moon is a personal favorite of both Bono's and the Edge, so yeah I wold guess Television had some influenece. For reference go see the Dave Stewart interview with the two of them.

Oh and it is just U2. Not U-2. They are not a plane, kthx.

Posted by Starr on Sunday, 06.24.07 @ 12:39pm


"We'll have to agree to disagree....I just think a band like TV is minor in the big picture of rock music.....don't think you will see them in the RHOF"

Little history lesson here...

Television was the first non-country, bluegrass or blues band to play at the Mecca of punk that was CBGBs. When they did that Television made a platform for up-and-comers I.E. the Ramones (who have been inducted).

Without Television (Richard Hell included) the Sex Pistols wouldn't be what they were; the Ramones wouldn't be what they were. Patti Smith, another inductee, saw them as peers.

I'd say Television is JUST as deserving of a spot in the Hall of Fame as any of the folks I've mentioned.

Do your homework folks.

Posted by Grumbling on Thursday, 08.16.07 @ 04:26am


Michael Stipe also advocated for Television's induction after this year's ceremony. Momentum is building...

Posted by c.w. on Thursday, 08.16.07 @ 05:21am


I am so excited....

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 08.16.07 @ 05:33am


I'm still divided....as much as I love Marquee Moon...I agree with Kit's ruling. One album does not a HOF-worthy career make. The one exception is the Sex Pistols, but their shenanigans outside of the album played a large part.

Would I love to see them in? Sure, especially as a slap in the face to all of these shitty major label acts being shoved down our throats because Wenner or Springsteen is in love with them. On the other hand, there's plenty of more deserving, oft-overlooked artists in front in the queue.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 08.16.07 @ 18:10pm


OK, I've been thinking about it, and I've come to the conclusion that I don't give a bullcrap about how many albums an artist released, or how many albums OF NOTE they released.

**I was actually going to make a list, but it's about 1am, I'm knackered, and therefore can't think of more than about five (GOF, Sex Pistols, Television, La's....who was the other?)**

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 01.31.08 @ 17:58pm


But seriously, why should it be just artists with one album that get locked out? Why not 2? Or even 3?

And hey, if Percy Sledge gets in on one song...

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 03.1.08 @ 12:49pm


...a song that Percy Sledge didn't even write, by the way. The significance of "When A Man Loves A Woman" and Percy Sledge is that it was the first gold record for Atlantic Records, which was founded by the Ertegun brothers...who also were co-founders of...The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame!!! Hmmmm....??? Think the crew was being a little biased there???

Posted by Terry on Saturday, 03.1.08 @ 13:06pm


Television was the first non-country, bluegrass or blues band to play at the Mecca of punk that was CBGBs. When they did that Television made a platform for up-and-comers I.E. the Ramones (who have been inducted).

Posted by Grumbling on Thursday, 08.16.07

just because they were the first to play somewhere doesnt mean they should be in the hall of fame. hypothetically lets say milli vannilli were the first to play there they shopuld be in,

Posted by Brian on Saturday, 03.1.08 @ 21:15pm


You either ignored or else were oblivious to his point. There's no suitable excuse for either, though.

Posted by William on Saturday, 03.1.08 @ 22:56pm


The five most prominent CBGB groups should all be included; Television is the only one that isn't.

Afterall, they were the first CBGB band. Didn't they even build the stage? Marquee Moon is one of the definitive alternative guitar records. It offered something very different from what your average "guitar" bands was doing at the time. Sonic Youth is one band that has inherited some of Television's essence (that's an important influence in and of itself.) U2, REM, Patti Smith, and other important groups and artists have also vouched for their greatness.

Oh, Adventure is a fantastic album and the self titled disc they did in the early nineties is nothing to scoff at. I urge everyone who has yet to hear them to check them out.

Posted by Elastic Man on Saturday, 01.17.09 @ 03:54am


Yes, U2 did embarass the hall committee on purpose during their induction, for the Hall has no respect w/o hugely influential bands like Television, Roxy Music and The Smiths.

Posted by M Rourke on Sunday, 05.3.09 @ 21:08pm


Here's one interesting question:

If Metallica can lobby for bands like Rush that the Nominating Committee have never discussed, why have U2 and R.E.M. who both strongly acknowledge the influence of Television not been lobbying to have Television in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

Posted by Julien Peter Benney on Thursday, 05.28.09 @ 22:28pm


I guess they did, but Television wasn't high enough on the HoF's priority list. U2's Larry Mullen, Jr. (not Bono, as some believe) gave at his induction a list of the artists he thought should be in the HoF, just like James Hetfield did. "We never would have got out of my kitchen in our town in Dublin had it not been for people like the Sex Pistols, Tom Verlaine and Television, Roxy Music, Patti Smith. These people are in our Rock and Roll Hall of Fame." Since then, two of them are inducted, while the other two have yet to get a nomination.

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 05.29.09 @ 16:32pm


If I don't think Love gets even with Forever Changes, then TV is shouln't get in based on Marquee Moon. Personally I never understood the love affair the music press had with this album, which I owned at one point. Always sounded like Country Joe and the Fish, but that's just me. To my uneducated ears it always sounded like a belated late 60s album.

Incidentally the Eric Emerson and the Magic Tramps were the first rock band to play CBGBs when it was still called Hilly's On the Bowery in October, 1972. Suicide and Wayne County also played there before TV.

Posted by astrodog on Friday, 12.30.11 @ 20:13pm


Influence: Many bands have cited Television as an influence, and their mark is obvious on the garage rock revival scene. 20
Innovation: By mixing Punk with a classic rock sensibility they did create a new sound. 10
Commercial: None.
Critical: Critics love Marquee Moon, but some points were docked for the other two albums. 15

+5 added for Marquee Moon

50, not enough for the hall.

Posted by GFW on Thursday, 04.19.12 @ 13:48pm


The fact that Television is "cited" as an influence is meaningless. The more relvant question is how did they stylistically impact music. I'd say not that much.

One of the unfortunate aspects of the punk era was the way that music journalists tried so desperately to control it. Anything that was superficially "intellectual" was given the seal of approval. So of course writers like Nick Kent loved Marquee Moon. But the stark reality is that Marquee Moon was one of the most laughably overrated albums of that era. No one listening to it can say why it's allegedly so brilliant (like I always say, a good album, but nothing special). But in a classic feedback loop, they "know" it's brilliant because music writers, who are typically a bunch of middling hacks, say so. I'm sorry but after thirty years with an album never capturing an audience nor producing a recognizable song, it gets ludicrous to keep insisting how great it supposedly is.

Posted by astrodog on Friday, 04.20.12 @ 00:49am


And just to be clear, I don't mean to bash TV or anyone else. I actually love the whole punk era. But I loath the laziness and hipsterism associated with how it is approached where commonsense gets turned completely upside down. Which bands made the best music? Which bands had the biggest impact? Which were the most innovative or creative? These should be the primary considerations, not which band makes me seem sophisticated, which is really a perjorative term anyway.

Posted by astrodog on Friday, 04.20.12 @ 01:07am


I think the greatness is the brilliant guitar playing, and the songs are pretty damn good. That said, it's not like the Sex Pistols where they had a massive impact, so one brilliant album isn't enough.

Posted by GFW on Friday, 04.20.12 @ 13:05pm


With MM you always get some theory about the interplay of the guitars, etc. It's never the lyrics or the musical composition or the song quality. The whole theory about the guitar playing has always been a bit desperate. The only song I ever liked was See No Evil. I think it says more about the state of music journalism than anything else. Old habits die hard.

Posted by astrodog on Friday, 04.20.12 @ 20:26pm


I was at a party about 5 years ago with people mostly a little older than me, in their mid-late 40s. After a few hours of hearing the stereo playing the tired "classic rock" station with its standard boring playlist of artists whose songs I've heard thousands of times (Led Zeppelin, Elton John, Fleetwood Mac, Journey) I decided to grab a CD from the car of various tunes I had recorded over the years. I begged to have it put on just to break the monotony, and one of the songs was Marquee Moon which came on. Nobody knew who it was, and after about 5 minutes someone requested that it be shut off.

I think if you hear them for the 1st time they come off as fairly bland. Elevation is pretty campy but sluggish nevertheless.

I agree the sound was rather interesting compared to the blues based guitar rock from the mid 70s by bands like BTO, Foghat and Bad Company which all tended to sound the same.

It's like driving on a road that goes through a town and then when you reach the town's edge, the name of the road changes even though you're on the same road. If you look in the rear view mirror at just the right split second you can still see the city you just emerged from at the same time the new paridgm is unfolding in front of you. That's what Marquee Moon represents. Television was right there at that precise moment but somehow just couldn't seize the day and bring it to the masses. That's why, as interesting as I think they are, they will ultimately be regarded as a footnote.

Posted by classicrocker on Saturday, 04.21.12 @ 02:27am


classicrocker - I don't know if it's just because I'm drunk, but that was one of the best arguments I've ever read on this site. Bravo! I've had almost a very similar experience with Marquee Moon at a party.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 04.21.12 @ 03:36am


Man, you guys need to go to cooler parties. ;)

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 04.21.12 @ 04:38am


Elton John, Fleetwood Mac and Journey music at a party?

That's a paddlin'

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 04.21.12 @ 04:57am


wait, elton john and fleetwood mac as party music?

you need to go to better party's bro.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 04.21.12 @ 08:39am


Thanks Gassman. I was half asleep when I wrote that after watching a ballgame till 1 in the morning. I wasn't sure if it would make sense.

About the party- to be fair, I believe the radio was on because their CD player was half broken and you could only hear songs if you pressed the play button before each one instead of just once before letting the CD play all the way through. I pity anyone who's forced to listen to WMGK for 8 hours straight at work. Terrible station, steer clear!

Posted by classicrocker on Saturday, 04.21.12 @ 12:14pm


I stand corrected. I now realize that despite what my ears are telling me, if I would only stand on one foot at midnight during the full moon in Cancer between the latitudes of 41 and 43 degrees while heavily drunk and blindfolded, the unadorned genius of Marquee Moon while magically emerge after about two hours of playing the album on repeat. Forgive my phllistine attitude.

Posted by astrodog on Saturday, 04.21.12 @ 19:10pm


yeah, it's a real pain keeping in the exact latitudes.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 04.22.12 @ 08:45am


YES YES YES YES YES

Posted by BulmaPunkRocker on Sunday, 07.6.14 @ 23:36pm


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