Patti Smith

Rock & Roll Hall of Famer

Category: Performer

Inducted in: 2007

Inducted by: Zack de la Rocha

Nominated in: 2001   2002   2003   2004   2005   2006   2007

First Eligible: 2001 Ceremony

Snubbed Members: Jay Dee Daugherty, Lenny Kaye, Ivan Kral, Richard Sohl


Inducted into Rock Hall Revisited in 2006 (ranked #185) .


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Horses (1975)

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Gloria (1975)
Redondo Beach (1975)
Dancing Barefoot (1979)

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81 comments so far (post your own)

Of course Patti Smith will be inducted in 2007. R.E.M. would boycott the Hall if they passed her over again but voted to induct them. No brainer.

Posted by REM and Patti on Saturday, 10.28.06 @ 14:29pm


You couldn't pay me enough to listen to Patti Smith's caterwauling. She's always been a Jim Morrison wanna be.

Posted by Michael Boyd on Tuesday, 10.31.06 @ 09:25am


Of course!!! Patti rules!!!

Posted by Mirita on Saturday, 11.4.06 @ 16:59pm


Probably my favorite among this year's nominees.

Posted by Kit on Monday, 11.27.06 @ 14:57pm


The Pretenders made it in largely due to a magnificent (and magnificently influential) debut album. It's hard to believe Patti Smith hasn't based on "Horses" alone. Rumor has it she's had some disagreements with one of the officers on the RRHOF election committee. She will have her day, and it should be in '07, perhaps with Michael Stipe (who should make it in himself with REM) doing the induction honors.

Posted by TJWood59 on Wednesday, 12.20.06 @ 23:18pm


She would make the Ugly Hall of Fame

Posted by Elevation on Tuesday, 01.2.07 @ 17:39pm


Because that has so much to do with music.

Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 01.2.07 @ 18:28pm


Inducted? Hell, she should get her own wing.

Posted by Savannah Night on Wednesday, 01.3.07 @ 12:40pm


if you havent seen or heard her live,do it.

Posted by kamikaz[kat59 on Tuesday, 01.9.07 @ 19:02pm


Patti Smith and Lenny Kaye [guitarist] have both been huge influences in Rock and Roll history and music. I agree with the person who posted above - if you get the chance go see the band live! Its an incredible performance always.

Posted by Thomas Richardson on Friday, 01.12.07 @ 05:51am


I don't get the Patti Smith induction. What exactly was her "influence"? Who did she influence? I mean, as far as women go, I've heard Heart & Benatar's name far more, from current/recent female groups/individuals.

Posted by dave on Monday, 03.19.07 @ 12:00pm


SHE INFLUENCED MICHAEL STIPE! AND OTHERS BUT YOU PROBABLY JUST SEEM TO KNOW WHAT'S MAINSTREAM AND WHAT THEY PLAY ON THE RADIO.

Posted by CAYCE on Monday, 03.19.07 @ 13:58pm


Can anyone tell me the name of the song playing when Patti Smith walked on stage to accept her award?

Posted by Stone16 on Thursday, 03.29.07 @ 14:47pm


"If they renamed the place Rock and Roll Hall of Artists You Should Have Liked More Than the Ones You Actually Did, I would not begrudge them these exclusions." says Wade....referring to Rush and Kiss (For rest of quote see Rush page).

Patti Smith yet another example of some obscure artist that no one really ever listened to, but since she is "punk" and supposedly so "influential", she gets inducted...what an arrogant institution it is...out of touch with the pulse of the "people"

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 07.11.07 @ 18:18pm


Except Smith's "Horses" album is better than the entire catalog of Rush/Kiss combined...

And by "no one really ever listened to" - you mean yourself.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 07.11.07 @ 18:38pm


That is only your opinion. I wholeheartedly disagree, at least with the Rush comparison. Rush has more talent than she could ever wish to have. Sorry, but one great album does not cut it.

Plus, when I say no one ever really listened to her, obviously I was exaggerating to make a point - I was merely pointing out that she is not very well known and not very successful commercially. From Wikipedia:

"Although Smith's success has been limited in commercial terms (she has never had an RIAA certified record and has had just one Top 20 single."

The bottom line is that I love the quote I supplied b/c it demonstrates the blatant bias of the so called hall "voters." And, I really do not care what the arrogant bloggers have to say. Here is the rest of the quote, which summarizes how I have felt about this all along -finally an inteliigent writer!:

"They reflect rock history through their own prism of 'how it should have been.' I've never owned a Rush album, and I've long harbored an actual dislike for both Kiss and its army. ... As both a musician and an avid record buyer starting in the early '80s, my allegiances were firmly in the punk, new wave, and alternative camps and against the 'dinosaur rock' of Rush and Kiss, but even I'm willing to admit both were wildly popular and hugely influential among fans as well as my fellow musicians." (COMMENT: Unlike others bloggers here, this writer is able to be "objective")

"This is supposed to be a hall of fame, and denying both the fame and influence of Rush and Kiss makes the institution look ridiculous."

That is right....absolutely ridiculous

Later Much

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 07.11.07 @ 19:14pm


Patti Smith is hugely influential though, that's what you're forgetting. And sale don't mean jack. Anyone with a love for rock and its history would list The Velvet Underground as one of the most important bands, and probably one of their favorites. They never had a Gold record, either.

If anything, the hall plays favoritism FOR mainstream acts that everybody knows. The independent scene that began blossoming in the early 80's is really only represented by R.E.M. - a band that had monster success on a major label afterwards.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 07.11.07 @ 22:16pm


Don't get me wrong in many, many instances, they have gotten it right. However, the "hall of fame" does put in more obscure and less known artists (i.e. the Dells, Moonglows, Solomon Burke, etc.). They have put in innumerable R & B artists, punk artists, and have even now put in rap. Yet, they ignore an entire genre - leave out bands like The Moody Blues, Yes, Rush, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple, all of whom have been very successful AND influential in the landscape of Rock music. The RRHOF is a joke people-----not to be taken seriously

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 07.12.07 @ 05:18am


With all the talk about how good of a record "Horses" is. You'd think it would be Gold by now.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Friday, 07.13.07 @ 12:21pm


Joe-Skee, there's great albums every year that come out and don't go gold...many of them are on indie labels. You do know that to earn radio play the record company has to dish out large sums of promotional money, pay for an agent, and then influence the stations (most of them owned by ClearChannel) to play the music? Let's not forget that these same stations refuse to play much out of the ordinary and stick to their tired and predictable formats.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 07.13.07 @ 13:37pm


Yeah I'm aware of that!!! But "Horses" came out in 1975!!! Way before ClearChannel started gobbling up national radio outlets.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Friday, 07.13.07 @ 14:43pm


And The Velvet Underground never had a gold album, but anyone would be hard pressed not to include VU&Nico on a greatest albums list. Sales don't mean squat. Creed has a diamond selling album.

Innovation and influence, my friend. Innovation and influence. That's why Patti Smith was in the Top 50 Artists in that recent Rolling Stone poll. Is Patti Smith more influential than The Moody Blues, Rush, Yes, etc...? Unfuckin'questionably.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 07.13.07 @ 16:19pm


Oh, enough already about the VU and their great influence. They were not that good, which is why they could not sell many albums.

Regarding Smith's influence, that is your opinion...sure she was influential, but to whom? Believe you me, Rush, Deep Purple, Yes, Moody Blues, King Crimson, etc. are all highly influential bands, certainly on par with patti smith. Obviously, her influence was in a different genre than the bands I mentioned, but certainly equivalent if not more influential.

Sales don't mean squat? Hmmm..so why did the VU put their albums to vinyl? To NOT sell albums? Ass....once again, as the brilliant reviewer said (who was a punk artist / music fan by the way):

"This is supposed to be a hall of fame, and denying both the fame and influence of Rush and Kiss makes the institution look ridiculous."

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 07.13.07 @ 23:05pm


Here is a little fact for y'all.

Out of the 104 artists currently in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame as performers only 8-yes EIGHT have never had either a top 40 pop single or top 40 pop album in the United States. It's only 7 if you count their country of origin. (Sex Pistols had numerous top 10 songs in UK)


Big Joe Turner
John Lee Hooker
Bob Marley
Velvet Underground
The Ramones
Buddy Guy
Sex Pistols
Grandmaster Flash


Take out Bob Marley and Buddy Guy who aren't even true rockers, as I explained last night, then it becomes only 5!!!!


FIVE out of 102 is less than 5% of the inductees.

Anybody who tries to make you believe that record sales have no bearing on induction into the RRHOF has absolutely NO understanding of the music business and absolutely NO understanding of how the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame works.

Posted by SG on Saturday, 07.14.07 @ 00:59am


MY BAD!!!

Marley DID have top ten albums and he's from Jamaica so the list starts out with only 7 but the final figure still ends up at 5!!


FIVE OUT OF 102.


I might also add that in today's corporate environment the likelihood of doing this is even less....

Posted by SG on Saturday, 07.14.07 @ 01:17am


I didn't say she wasn't influential!!! All I'm saying is as much as I've heard about how good "Horses" is through out the years. I thought the damn album would already be Gold. Since its release in 1975. That was the impression that I got.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Saturday, 07.14.07 @ 12:00pm


This is a new low in stupid. Patti Smith not influential? Try telling that to, oh, just about every woman to make an album in the past twenty goddamn years. All of them have a debt to Patti. Christ off the cross.

Posted by Kit on Saturday, 07.14.07 @ 13:39pm


Kit, nobody here denied Patti Smiths influence....try to move past that point

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 07.14.07 @ 17:28pm


Patti who?? I can honestly say I have never heard one of her songs on the radio, I always turn it off.
What a joke to put this small cult, no singing, no talent "performer" in ahead of at least 50 others who actually have music that more than 10 people, who don't have rings in their noses, listen to.

Posted by E String on Tuesday, 09.11.07 @ 20:37pm


You wear your ignorance so very proudly, like a naked, fat guy parading around in his fruited hat.

Smith is an absolute icon - if "Horses" doesn't make you understand, you are just beyond redemption. Radio play has never proven much.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 09.11.07 @ 23:32pm


You gotta love this review though:

"I know it's not cool to say. I know that everyone who is cool lists her as a friend or influence. Normally, that carries a lot of sway with me (see my Joni Mitchell piece). Anyhow, everyone thinks she is cool. I have heard her music and she is a terrible terrible singer. Like, worse than Lou Reed. On top of that, she seems mostly famous for covers. While she might be as ugly as Joe Cocker, her skills to not compare. I saw her on Leno (or Letterman, one of those shows) doing a Stone's song and she just butchered it. It must have been Letterman's, because she was in NYC for the Rock and Roll hall of fame. She was getting inducted, or inducting someone... who cares.


Like Warhol, or Paris Hilton... she is the punk rock equivalent. She is famous for being famous. Lastly, look at that picture. I mean, I think it's great she doesn't feel obligated to buy into the patriarchal models of femininity and sexuality but dude... at least brush your fuckin' hair."

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 00:01am


Also, found this:

They are ranked from most-over-rated at the top, to just a little over-rated at the bottom. In order, the Most Over-Rated Sacred Cows:


1. The Velvet Underground, The Velvet Underground and Nico

2. Love, Forever Changes

3. Television, Marquee Moon

4. Patti Smith, Horses

5. James Brown, Live at the Apollo

"a logical (in my mind) conclusion as to the most over-rated critical sacred cow record of all time. Flat out bad is flat out bad . . . and that's Horses"


Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 00:14am


Wow. Couldn't disagree more. I legitimately love "Horses", regardless of how critics feel about it.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 01:31am


The core of E String's stupidity though, is his premise that Patti Smith is a jok because he's never heard one of her songs on a radio.
That, and then he goes on to explain to us that he always turns it off. Huh.
Yea, I too hate all that stuff I've never listened to.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 01:36am


One thing I know is that her rendition of "My Generation" is enough to cause nauseau and dizziness - just plain awful and gheez, she cannot hold a note. I know she was inlfuential and all and it is "hip" to like her, but as a famous lyricist said, "It's really just a question of your honesty."

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 05:58am


I can't help but find it a little odd that while Anon loves going against the popular opinion for "underground" artists like the Velvets and Patti, he didn't seem too thrilled with my negative comments toward Led Zepellin (although that exchange has been deleted at this point).

I really don't care what you do or do not like, nor that you're vocal about it, but show some consistency.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 06:33am


EDIT: Should be Zeppelin, although at least I didn't write "Zepplin."

Posted by William on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 06:34am


Yeah, b/c comparing Zep to PS is a fair comparison. One are the greats of all time compared to the most overrated, talentless garbage.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 06:42am


Interested in what I like? That has no relevance here - this is an "open" forum. Consistency? I have always consistently been a fan of Zep and consistently been a realist when it comes to bands like the VU and PS.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 06:48am


"Yeah, b/c comparing Zep to PS is a fair comparison. One are the greats of all time compared to the most overrated, talentless garbage."-Anon

Did I compare them? If you answered "yes," move to the back of the class.

"I have always consistently been a fan of Zep and consistently been a realist when it comes to bands like the VU and PS."-Anon

Because obviously you can't like something AND be realistic. That's just crazy talk.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 06:51am


Don't you have something better to do? I merely pointed out my opinion of PS - I do not like her and think she is way overrated. If you do not agree - that is fine. It is my opinion and I think there is some truth to that, as was seen in those posts above. Sure, I admit she was influential and was a "critics" choice. But for me, it comes down to - "It is really just a question of your honesty." And, I know it is hip to like bands like the VU or PS, but I do not have that connection. And, the fact that both artists cannot really sell many albums, CD's, etc. probably not many people connect with the music. I know, I know, you are going to say sales means nothing, the "people" know nothing, etc. yawn....

I also think Zep is a great band. So, who cares? It is my opinion. There is really nothing to argue about here William, so go pick a fight on some other thread.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 07:06am


Actually, I think it's relevant because you nearly threw a shitfit when I talked about the seamier side of Zep (the blatant thievery). I think that's "honest" on my part, that I'm willing to actually look at the bad aspects of popular bands and accept them rather than try to excuse them. On the other hand, for saying these things, which are true, and not opinion, you jumped on me for criticizing a band that, in your own words "lots of people love" or something. It was basically a big "HOW DAR U!" I think being "honest" about a band you don't like and demanding others keep quiet about a band you do like shows a lot of inconsistency.

"And, I know it is hip to like bands like the VU or PS"-Anon

Now where I'm from, and certainly not any of the places I've been. They're a critics' favorite, but that's hardly the same thing, and you're dumb for mixing the two.

"And, the fact that both artists cannot really sell many albums, CD's, etc. probably not many people connect with the music."-Anon

It doesn't help that Wal-Mart and other large chains that sell the majority of music that people buy only carry things that are guaranteed from day 1 to sell a hojillion copies. If you want to completely ignore the business aspect of music, then yeah, you kinda sorta have something maybe resembling a point if you squint hard enough and make wishes.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 07:18am


"...but as a famous lyricist said, "It's really just a question of your honesty." -anon

What in the name of St. Chester's ass does this slogan have to do with.... anything, anon? Are you suggesting that there is some virtue or,or,or... endorsement for you to drape over your head because you're "honest" about your dislikes? Who the fuck cares? What's your point?

Are you suggesting that I like Smith/Horses dishonestly?

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 09:13am


I gotta say I lean more towards Anon on this one. I own "Horses", I own "Easter", I own the "Land" set...so I really have tried and given her a fair shot. The best I can say is that her attitude is mildly amusing. Perhaps she was more effective in her day, but listening to it now much of it comes across as the female version of Jim Morrison (bad high school poetry intended to have deep meaning). I do dig a handful of her tunes, but just a handful.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 10:17am


Wow, someone actually agreed with what I said - thanks Dez. No, Shawn - what that means or at least what I was saying is that some bands are "cool" or "hip" to like. So, my point was, sometimes you just need to be honest with yourself...do you in fact genuinely like and enjoy the music. I do think for some, they SAY they like certain bands because they fit in to a crowd or it makes them feel hip or whatever. Obviously, I am not suggesting that about anyone here because I do not know anyone on this site on any personal level.

For instance, on a pure listening basis, I would take Journey any day over P.S. Even though it is not so cool and hip to like Journey, and even though she was more "influential." After all, they were a pop friendly corporate rock band. I was really not trying to say much more than that Shawn.

Just so everyone knows, I do respect the opinions of Kit and William, despite these back and forth "arguments." They are both obviously knowlegable (spelling?) about music and the history of music, but that does not mean they are always right, and that would obviously apply to anyone here at this site....

Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 11:25am


I would also listen to Journey over Patti Smith about 9 out of 10 times. Journey rocks, corporate or not.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 11:29am


Okay Dez, now that is what I meant by honesty - it is so refreshing.

Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 12:02pm


"Wow, someone actually agreed with what I said - thanks Dez."

Yes Anon, print that up, fold it into your wallet, take it out and gaze at it and stroke it a few times a day.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 12:55pm


Wow, that's dramatic...how about responding to the content, rather than resorting to personal attacks...we would all be better off.

Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 13:01pm


OK, how's this: I like Patti Smith's "Horses", YOU SANCTIMONIOUS TURD BALL, because she is good.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 13:56pm


sorry, but even i think this is a case of 'lookat me i listen to patti smith so i must be a music buff'

Posted by liam on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 13:57pm


Okay, as long as you are being honest with yourself...I can accept that. What's up though with the 3rd grade language thing (i.e. turd ball). Ghheezzz, calm down Shawn...I do not think anything in these posts was aggressive or rude on my part or Dez, etc. For gods sake, I even complimented William and Kit...

Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 14:02pm


liam, did you hear me? I said I legitimately like "Horses". I naturally cannot speak for all who claim to value Patti Smith, but as for myself... were you talking to me directly, or speaking in general?

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 14:17pm


"I do not think anything in these posts was aggressive or rude on my part" - anon

I LIKE "HORSES". You grasp at any petty chance to assume tiny righteosness, Anon.. and it eternally annoys me. I LIKE SMITH'S SONGS AND STUFF.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 14:24pm


Children, children, please. It's only rock and roll (but I like it).

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 17:32pm


I love how Anon just quotes random other people instead of defending his own viewpoints. I don't care what that guy thought, what do you think?

Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 19:50pm


In a post above, I said: "I do not like her and think she is way overrated." And, also said: "Sure, I admit she was influential and was a "critics" choice."

If that is not what "I" think, I do not know what is.

Honestly, I really do not want to bash her career, hey to each is own - I just do not resonate with her music - that's all.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 20:09pm


That's fair enough, but I don't like it when you pull a random critic's list or quote out and point to it as justification for your viewpoint. That's weak, I think.

ps: Horses is overrated only in that Easter is much better. Her album of covers that she released this year was pretty bad though.

Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 20:49pm


I understand your point, but I only quote other critics or reviews to show that I am not spewing out some random BS (i.e. that in fact, someone else agrees). But, the point is well taken...

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 09.12.07 @ 21:03pm


"I only quote other critics or reviews to show that I am not spewing out some random BS"

It shows you can QUOTE bullshit, aswell

Posted by liam on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 15:36pm


Oh, nice to follow up to my post that is over two months old and your post is not even relevant to the flow of the "old" conversation. Now, you know you are bordering on a blog "stalker"...

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 17:58pm


"It shows you can QUOTE bullshit, as well"

Why is it BS? - because it does not conform to your way of thinking. Wow, anything that is not in agreement with Liam, is BS - okay, if you say so...

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 18:01pm


Having seen Patti Smith back at CBGB's in the beginning I can say that although I am not a fan of hers as an artist, you cannot deny her influence on the 70's Punk movement. She wrote excellent poetry and was an excellent reflection of the times for some. As a musical artist (singer), at best, she was an okay singer in the studio. Live, she was not very good at all. However, I have not seen her since her days at CBGB's. Begrudgingly, I agree with her inclusion into the HoF. What I do find insulting is her entrance before Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, ELP, etc. Patti Smith somehow became an icon for the Indie movement "Intelligent Rock". Personally, I prefer my music not try and teach me anything. I rather just be entertained. As for this ongoing arguement on this site about record sales; of course it should count for something.

I do have a question for Shawn, Kit, Casper and Liam since you all defend and fight for the "Indie/Alt" music scene which I do respect all of you for; I was just wondering if you were even around when the Stooges and MC5 were doing their thing in Detroit and the rest of the State of Michigan and the VU, NY Dolls, Ramones and Patti Smith were doing their thing in the East Village of NY? A lot of what their impact on the audience was had to do with their attitude and anger, and with Lou Reed, his sometimes indifference and loathing of what was around him. I cannot say how much of that came from his relationship with Warhol. However, I do believe it was this attitude and thought process that influenced future bands and not so much their musical chops.

Anyway, this is just my opinion.

Posted by dameon on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 11:48am


"I was just wondering if you were even around when the Stooges and MC5 were doing their thing in Detroit and the rest of the State of Michigan and the VU, NY Dolls, Ramones and Patti Smith were doing their thing in the East Village of NY?"

No, I was around when Nirvana, Oasis, Pearl Jam, Blur, Soundgarden etc. were doing their thing. 90s, incase you didn't know.

Posted by LLIIAAMM on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 11:53am


What a bunch on twits!!!

Get over who is in or not in the RnRHoF; or, who deserves to be in the RnRHoF.

First, PS is PS.
Second, PS has worked with numerous other bands and you can find credits seemingly everywhere on CDs.
Third, when did looking good or bad mean you were a good or bad musician?
Fourth, the RnRHoF is a joke; it is a pyramid that can only really house pointy-headed people, and supported by pointy-headed people.

Look at my BOC comment. It isn't who gets in or who doesn't. It all has to do with who fits into your own RnRHoF. Check out the recent FOX411 report about $10,000 per table or $2,500 per seat to get into the show. Then, they donate nothing to the RnRHoF - and actually, don't donote much money to anything. RnR is being exploited by these clowns.

Posted by subhuman on Saturday, 03.15.08 @ 19:29pm


Hello Patti how are you?Hey have you ever gotten a chance to check out my demos?Damn...dinasours will be ready to roam earth again before i get any help from rock stars...???anyways be cool,peace,db...

Posted by DAN BARCAN on Thursday, 05.8.08 @ 14:17pm


H-O-R-S-E-S < Horseshit

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Friday, 11.21.08 @ 07:12am


Patti Smith is a joke

Posted by Bad Grammer on Friday, 11.21.08 @ 15:57pm


"Horses" is worse than horse shit.

Posted by ORMISTON on Friday, 11.21.08 @ 15:59pm


Horses for courses.

Posted by denyo on Friday, 11.21.08 @ 17:54pm


I can't see how Patti Smith was inducted before The Stooges

Posted by Keebord on Wednesday, 07.8.09 @ 17:04pm


She is terrible....no talent what so ever! Stop pretending that all of you pretensious cocksucker indie/alt lovera are so amazed by her 'talent'! She sucks. That's it. Get over it. And Rolling Stone magazine is the worst piece of mooseshit ever! And yes I will repeat what a lot of people have said already, BUT: DEEP PURPLE, YES, KING CRIMSON, ELO, ELP, KISS, RUSH, PROCOL HARUM, UFO, JUDAS PRIEST, IRON MAIDEN, HELLOWEEN, ACCEPT, JOY DIVISION, BAUHAUS M-U-S-T B-E I-N-D-U-C-T-E-D B-E-F-O-R-E all the garbage like patti smith!

Posted by Gentle Giant on Tuesday, 08.4.09 @ 23:45pm


She is terrible! Jethro Tull ELO, ELP, Nazareth, Uriah Heep and Procol Harum should have been there before her!

Posted by ak47 on Sunday, 08.9.09 @ 01:37am


hahaha
uriah heep, deep purple etc will not be inducted in the hall in near future, thanks god

Posted by abc on Wednesday, 08.12.09 @ 21:59pm


patti rules

Posted by abc on Wednesday, 08.12.09 @ 22:01pm


BUT: DEEP PURPLE, YES, KING CRIMSON, ELO, ELP, KISS, RUSH, PROCOL HARUM, UFO, JUDAS PRIEST, IRON MAIDEN, HELLOWEEN, ACCEPT, JOY DIVISION, BAUHAUS M-U-S-T B-E I-N-D-U-C-T-E-D B-E-F-O-R-E all the garbage like patti smith!

Posted by Gentle Giant on Tuesday, 08.4.09 @ 23:45pm

I was thinking "Hell Yes they should all be inducted" until I read "ELO". What did they do for music? I'm not so sure about Procol Harum or Accept either, though there's certainly room to argue for UFO. Bauhaus are a toss-up. And why are you so obsessed with "c*cksucking"? Do you have some homosexual motivations going on there? It's pathetic to label every alternative fan as "pretentious" (which you misspelt you moron). Luckily, Patti Smith was rightfully inducted (though I'm not a fan) and the stupid twat named Gentle Giant is gone.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 07.9.10 @ 14:56pm


That Patti Smith was inducted really isn't life and death to me. But it is worth a comment.

I would say she didn't deserve it. One of the issues with the whole punk era was that it was marred by media pettiness. The music journalists that started covering the CBGBs scene thought that they had the right to define the music it produced. Certain bands, such as Television and Patti Smith, were absolutely fawned over. There work was constantly overestimated. Nick Kent's review of Marquis Moon, to cite an instance, remains a signal example of hyperbolic praise. "Horses" benefited the exact same way. They are both pretty good albums, but not what I consider great albums. And the best track on Horses was actually a cover of two 60s songs with a poetic introduction.

Once you consider that the effusive praise of "Horses" was not a reflection of any true musical genius but rather a reflection of the self-important state of music journalism in the 70s, the rationale for this induction begins to crumble.

Another prong of her induction, her alleged historical importance as the "godmother of punk", also doesn't stand up. Bands like the Ramones, Blondie, the Talking Heads, Suicide, the Dictators, the Dead Boys, the NY Dolls, the Sex Pistols, the Clash, and so on, owe nothing to Patti Smith either chronologically or musically. (John Lydon even denounced her as a hippy).

A lesser claim, that she brought attention to the scene, is equally suspect. Her series of shows with TV at CBGBs in 1975 attracted media attention. But this didn't last and didn't spread to the other bands, so much so that Hilly Crystal had to stage the Festival of Unrecorded Rock Talent at CBGBs in July, 1975 in a desperate bid to get attention. The Ramones being signed by Sire, Blondie being signed by Private Stock and so forth had nothing to do with Smith's personal situation.

On top of that, there is an absence of great songs. Horses was a cover. Gloria a cover. Hey Joe the same. Her one hit, Because The Night, was created to a large degree by Bruce Springsteen, who provided its musical structure (including the haunting introduction), its title and concept, while Smith modified the lyrics. In fact in her whole catalogue the only original song that I think is good is Free Money. You certainly are not hearing original brilliance like the Velvet Underground.

Once you begin to chip away at the myth of her alleged importance to punk, it is worth asking what her impact was on future music. It was certainly fashionable for musicians, faced with a constant media drumbeat of her supposed importance, to cite her as an influence But where is that influence reflected in their music? Smith's music was very backward looking, the tail end of the prog era as opposed to looking forward to the emergence of 80s music.

For me, all in all her induction reflects the group think of music writers who have perpetuated the favoritism that music writers around the punk scene initial bestowed on her. Objectively it really doesn't add up, but since when is music or music journalism anything but subjective? Like I said, not life and death, but the whole punk era needs a fresh perspective.



Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 08.11.11 @ 21:48pm


I just realized that Lenny Kaye, who co-wrote and helped arrange so many of her songs, was not inducted. I have my issues with this induction, but who cares? If you are going to induct her then how the heck is Kaye excluded?

Posted by astrodog on Sunday, 09.18.11 @ 03:27am


Lenny Kaye is on the committee. He'll induct himself in the sideman category.

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