Love

Not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Eligible since: 1991 (The 1992 Induction Ceremony)

Previously Considered? Yes  what's this?


Inducted into Rock Hall Projected in 2017 (ranked #193) .


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Forever Changes (1967)

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7 and 7 is (1966)
Alone Again Or (1967)
The Red Telephone (1967)

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Will Love be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
"Musical excellence is the essential qualification for induction."
   

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Should have been a long time ago.

Posted by AZ Dave on Friday, 08.18.06 @ 22:57pm


Forever Changes is a life-changing record, one that tends to overshadow the rest of their excellent work. Hard to believe they haven't even been nominated.

Posted by Kit on Friday, 01.26.07 @ 20:04pm


Love cranked out AT LEAST 15 excellent songs. Not sure if many bands have sited them as influences, but are one of the greatest bands ever. clark and hilldale is a prime example of their, or should i say, Arthur Lee's great song writing.

Posted by Brad on Sunday, 02.4.07 @ 13:00pm


Jim Morrison has specfically stated Love as one of the Door's influences.

Posted by Jason on Friday, 07.27.07 @ 01:25am


Alright, Love is not -that- known, but they deserve to be in the HoF. For God's sake, just listen to Forever Changes!

Posted by Kuro on Monday, 03.10.08 @ 16:32pm


Whether Love really did enough for the Hall may not be an issue, if the voters continue to follow the Steve Van Zandt line and get behind any and all things 60's. They have an awesome catalog, but there really isn't enough of it if you wish to be truly serious-minded about it. I'd have no real issue if they went in, as I like the majority of their work. I also have to say that the artwork for "Forever Changes" is quite possibly the best psychedelic inspired work ever. A lot of 60's stuff comes out as useless gobbledegook that comes w/the unspoken tagline "it was the 60's, remember". Most of it can't past muster unless it is given that catchphrase, but "Forever Changes" truly is wonderful. The vivid Dark Blues, Reds, & Aquamarine colors deserve to be seen as I have them, w/a vinyl copy. The images of Arthur Lee, Bryan Mc Lean, and the others are not ruined by overdoing the lettering and graphics. This may be the only case where I extoll an album cover as well as what's inside. It's truly worth it.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Sunday, 08.31.08 @ 04:57am


The cutting edge in its day..YES is the answer

Posted by mrxyz on Thursday, 09.11.08 @ 13:45pm


I was just watching the Love Story dvd the other night,in segement Arthur Lee commented how much it meant when English Parliament honored him and considered Forever Changes the greatest album of all time.
He then mentions how he wished he got recognized for his work in the RRHOF.
RRHOF worthy as a longtime fan,and admirer of his writing skills as a lyricist.

Posted by Cal on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 19:48pm


Would like too add also all the many known artists who cite Love as a major influence.

Posted by Cal on Thursday, 09.25.08 @ 19:51pm


A great writer singer.. he did it his way ..!! light years a head of his time!
RIP AUTHOR LEE !!!

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 09.27.08 @ 21:24pm


As far as musical style goes, Love kinda reminded me of the Electric Prunes, or vice versa, it's been so long I can't remember who was first.

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 09.30.08 @ 18:34pm




As far as musical style goes, Love kinda reminded me of the Electric Prunes, or vice versa, it's been so long I can't remember who was first.

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 09.30.08 @ 18:34pm

Forever Changes is like the electric prunes??LOL NO.
It is light years a head I would compare it to and beyond Revolver..

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 09.30.08 @ 21:19pm


mrxyz...Forever Changes is just one album. Listen to "Seven & Seven Is" on Da Capo and the listen to "I Had Too Much To Dream"...I think they're similar. Forever Changes was a good album, I don't know that it was light years ahead of anything. Of course, I was only 12 when I first heard it...I just thought it was cool!!

I guess I need to listen to it now to get some perspective, eh??

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 09.30.08 @ 22:20pm


I guess I need to listen to it now to get some perspective, eh??

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 09.30.08 @ 22:20pm

It is really quite the LP
When you think of the lack of budget compared to the Beatles..
Set yourself down in the Way Back Machine" and enjoy... Just try to think what had not been recorded up to that date .. Some good stuff..I still savor many of Authors tunes He had it going..
PS the bass player was with the Surfairs after the first Surfaris bass player. then he went with Love.

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 09.30.08 @ 23:10pm


t is really quite the LP
When you think of the lack of budget compared to the Beatles..
Set yourself down in the Way Back Machine" and enjoy... Just try to think what had not been recorded up to that date .. Some good stuff..I still savor many of Authors tunes He had it going..
PS the bass player was with the Surfairs after the first Surfaris bass player. then he went with Love.

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 09.30.08 @ 23:10pm

*********Forever Changes is the LP...Enjoy

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 09.30.08 @ 23:12pm


rxyz...Forever Changes is just one album. Listen to "Seven & Seven Is" on Da Capo and the listen to "I Had Too Much To Dream"...I think they're similar. Forever Changes was a good album, I don't know that it was light years ahead of anything. Of course, I was only 12 when I first heard it...I just thought it was cool!!

I guess I need to listen to it now to get some perspective, eh??

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 09.30.08 @ 22:20pm


I have heard them and more than you know LOL

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 09.30.08 @ 23:29pm


mrxyz, do you have to repost the complete post of someone's that you are commenting on? Even if the post is 100 lines & you are just commenting on one line?

Please excerpt the relevant quote & skip the rest.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.1.08 @ 06:50am


A great writer singer.. he did it his way ..!! light years a head of his time!
RIP AUTHOR LEE !!!
Posted by mrxyz on Saturday

Agreed, I get the feeling you're much more than a casual fan (like myself ) of Arthur Lee/Love.

So if you haven't seen the "Love Story" DVD yet, I highly recommend it.
Arthur plays coy (as usual) on many topics,John Echols is featured alot in interview segments.
As is Jac Holtzman,John Densmore,Bryan Maclean.
David Angel tells his story about the strings arrangement on Forever Changes.
They even dug up Snoopy!
A must have for fans,as is the(non related to the dvd) indie pressed book "Love Story" by Ken Brooks.

Posted by Gary James CA on Wednesday, 10.1.08 @ 10:52am


As far as musical style goes, Love kinda reminded me of the Electric Prunes, or vice versa, it's been so long I can't remember who was first.
Posted by Gitarzan

I think that's a fair assesment to a degree upon first listen pertaining to the first two Love albums anyway.

The compilers of the "Nuggets" comp. felt so to as both Love's "Seven and Seven" (it's spelled both ways on the single,and Da Capo album)and The Electric Prunes "I Had Too Much To Dream" are rubbing shoulders on the comp.
But the comparision stops there once "Forever Changes" was released, lyrically The Prunes were no match for Arthur Lee's wordplay as a whole.

Posted by Gary James CA on Wednesday, 10.1.08 @ 11:00am


Also there was an Love/Arthur Lee 1995 tribute cd released "We're All Normal and We Want Our Freedom: A Tribute to Arthur Lee & Love"

http://www.google.com/musicl?lid=rjoO5Y0-u3P&sa=X&oi=music&ct=result

Here's a mini list of some of the acts that have recorded Love songs:

The Velvet Underground
Alice Cooper
Mazzy Starr
The Move
Smack Dab
The Groovie Ghoulies
Urge Overkill
Fever Tree
The Hooters
The Gonn
Lyres
Das Damen
Television Personalities

Posted by Gary James CA on Wednesday, 10.1.08 @ 11:10am


The link didn't display correctly for the trib. album.
Here it is for those interested:

http://www.amazon.com/Were-All-Normal-Want-Freedom/dp/B000001HVF

Posted by Gary James CA on Wednesday, 10.1.08 @ 11:14am


You forgot to mention the most recent cover of a Love song. Calexico did a verston of "Alone Again Or" in 2004.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Wednesday, 10.1.08 @ 12:40pm


As far as musical style goes, Love kinda reminded me of the Electric Prunes, or vice versa, it's been so long I can't remember who was first.
Posted by Gitarzan

I think that's a fair assesment to a degree upon first listen pertaining to the first two Love albums anyway.

The compilers of the "Nuggets" comp. felt so to as both Love's "Seven and Seven" (it's spelled both ways on the single,and Da Capo album)and The Electric Prunes "I Had Too Much To Dream" are rubbing shoulders on the comp.
But the comparision stops there once "Forever Changes" was released, lyrically The Prunes were no match for Arthur Lee's wordplay as a whole.



Posted by Gary James CA on Wednesday, 10.1.08 @ 11:00am

I guess one could say Love and Prunes have the same sounds .But that so called psychedolic sound was canned by many ,,Love was sure at the tip of the spearhead in the sound,,Agreed what ever they had in comman it ended with Arthurs writting ..Also his musical arrangments .. I like the Prunes but I really do not see much of the same other than they were in the same musical genre ..

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 10.1.08 @ 14:45pm


I agree totally that the similarities ended with Forever Changes, which had nothing in common with the Prunes. I was just thinking of the stuff before that.

Thanks for the information, Gary. I really did like the Damned's cover of that song.

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 10.1.08 @ 18:38pm


Thanks for the information, Gary. I really did like the Damned's cover of that song.
Posted by Gitarzan

Cool,I haven't heard The Damned version in eons,but i remember liking it.

Posted by Gary James CA on Thursday, 10.2.08 @ 08:43am


I like the Prunes but I really do not see much of the same other than they were in the same musical genre ..
Posted by mrxyz

Agreed,But for the novice The Prunes are a good yard stick to give a (very) "basic" idea what early Love sounds like.
Two prized possesions in my collection are orig. vinyl copies of Da Capo (mono)and Forever Changes signed by Arthur Lee.

I caught him twice on during his reunion shows.
The second time was The Forever Changes Concerts Tour where he performed the entire album with strings/brass.
Great!!!
He beat all the odds and made one of the most respectable comebacks i've ever witnessed.

Posted by Gary James CA on Thursday, 10.2.08 @ 09:01am


You forgot to mention the most recent cover of a Love song. Calexico did a verston of "Alone Again Or" in 2004.
Posted by Aaron O'Donnell

Huh,I wasn't aware of this,thanks!

Posted by Gary James CA on Thursday, 10.2.08 @ 09:03am


Sitting on a hillside,
Watching all the people die

Posted by Chalkie on Thursday, 02.12.09 @ 19:36pm


THE WORD IS "LOVE"
YES YES YES

Posted by mrxyz on Thursday, 03.5.09 @ 21:44pm


Love should be in the Hall of Fame. Though the band and it's members may have been quirky and created their own future with bad choices, the blends of music that they created were timeless, yet not a product of the big money machine. From their first fledgling folk-rock inspired album, they opened eyes into a jazzy DaCapo world which led to the milestone psychedelic Forever Changes.
The late Arthur Lee was a musical talent that deserves the induction. Lesser talents are voted in by popularity. Love deserves it's place as a true moment of musical wonder.

Posted by PJ Krivosky on Wednesday, 04.1.09 @ 20:01pm


Heady music with lots of folk, jazz and classical influences. Very beautiful concept in music. Much different than the San Francisco sound during this period.

Love were innovative and underappreciated. Like their other LA counterpart, Spirit, the San Francisco based Rolling Stone didn't lean towards giving them a national push like they did towards the Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead and Santana.

Posted by ed on Friday, 05.15.09 @ 16:07pm


Like their other LA counterpart, Spirit, the San Francisco based Rolling Stone didn't lean towards giving them a national push like they did towards the Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead and Santana.

Posted by ed on Friday, 05.15.09 @ 16:07pm
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I agree w/you on the band Love. They are very underrated. One thing to consider in regards to RS - yes, the mag was in Frisco, but don't forget the very much L.A. based Doors were given heavy coverage in those early years. It's rare I defend RS, but I'd have to be fair w/them here.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 05.15.09 @ 18:23pm


Still some of the best music now and then..
YES

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 01.16.10 @ 17:18pm


Agree, some amazing stuff... what I like so much about it, is that it sounds like they just started recording a jam or something. Just on and off... nothing fancy. Still great stuff.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 01.16.10 @ 18:33pm


Love and Author Lee was the influence in "town" back in the 60's .. He set a high musical standard bar. Which was amazing, since his production budget was small compared to the other Big Hitters.. He had some of the better players in town ... Everybody dug Love and their songs .....He was a thing to "be musically , in the psychedelic 60's .....
He should of been In years ago.!!!

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 03.17.10 @ 21:44pm


Yes

Posted by mrxyzomg on Sunday, 07.4.10 @ 02:41am


Hear is another band with lots of votes lately!!!!
I am very Happy the forum is finally getting IT...
Rock On

Posted by mrxyxomg on Wednesday, 09.15.10 @ 21:26pm


Should have been in since mid 1990's. Why is the band being blocked?

Posted by Skip on Thursday, 11.17.11 @ 05:21am


How is "Alone Again Or" their only essential song? They had AT LEAST half a dozen other essential songs and "Alone Again Or" isn't even their best, and where's "A Message to Pretty?"

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 11.30.11 @ 15:02pm


OK, using the GFW-formula for calculating Hall of Fame-worthiness:

Innovation: Unique blend of garage rock, psychedelia and folk. 20

Influence: I'll let wikipedia do the talking: The band's influence extends beyond the realm of 1960s psychedelia to such punk and post-punk bands as Television Personalities and The Jesus and Mary Chain. William Reid of the Jesus and Mary Chain wore a Love t-shirt in his band's video for "Head On" from their Automatic album. The Damned covered "Alone Again Or" on the album Anything, and the Swedish band The Hellacopters covered "A House Is Not A Motel". Love have also influenced many 1960s inspired Top 40 UK acts, including The Stone Roses, The Bluetones, Shack, The Stands, Primal Scream and Ricky, whose mini-album, You Set The Scene was named after a song on Forever Changes. In tribute, Led Zeppelin's Robert Plant cites Forever Changes as one of his favorite albums ever. A tribute album We're All Normal And We Want Our Freedom: Tribute To Arthur Lee & Love was released in 1994.
Jim Morrison's 1967 personal biography for Elektra lists one of his favourite bands as Love. 30

Commercial Success: Not much. 5

Critical acclaim: "Today, the band's critical reputation exceeds the limited success they experienced during their time, their 1967 album Forever Changes being held in particularly high regard." Forever Changes is usually considered on of the best albums of the era and the had an impressive run of critical acclaim with their first several albums. 30

Total: 85

Conclusion: All of this means Love is way overdue for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 11.30.11 @ 15:15pm


Love really had a three album career. The first one was pretty standard for the time, partly Byrds, partly Garage and Surf, some psychedelic elements. Arguably only the last two albums of this trilogy are really noteworthy. (Forever Changes is a bona fide classic-Andmoreagain and Old Man brilliant). After 1968 the band imploded at warp speed. A few more albums emerged, but they were from the last remaining member, Arthur Lee, and these were forgettable and forgotten. So you are looking at a narrow window. On top of that you have minor chart success.

There is a decent analogy in the Velvet Underground, another band from the time period that only had minor commercial success. The Velvets had four strong albums, with the first being a towering classic. (The fifth was the VU in name only as all the main players had departed).

So judging by body of work, I would say the VU has an advantage. But the VU also has a reputation as a highly innovative/influential band. When Love emerged you had already seen the emergence of folk and psychedelic rock. There are seemingly innovative elements in Love's music, particularly classic elements. But it has to be placed in the context of the musical trends of that time. As to influence, wikipedia articles aside, it is an open question if Love was a major musical influence. For example, the Jefferson Airplane was already in full swing by then. Personally I think Love at their height were terrific, but I can see why induction is an iffy proposition.



Posted by astrodog on Wednesday, 11.30.11 @ 19:29pm


There are maybe a handful of non-inductees where the decision-making process is inexplicable. Situations where it can't be about the sub-genre, quality, etc. This is absolutely one of the dumbest decisions at a place where dumb decisions are routine.

For example:
Heart- yes; Roxy Music-no?
Laura Nyro- yes; T Rex- no?
The Dave Clark Five- yes; Joy Division- no?
Billy Joel- yes; Love- no??

I understand the stupid, inane thinking regarding bands like Deep Purple, Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, ELP. Its stupid, but I understand why the process is stupid and lame. But regarding Love and a few others, I just have no clue.

Posted by Skip on Wednesday, 05.15.13 @ 04:32am


I agree those four bands should be inducted and obviously it's mostly about American commercial success (which T. Rex and Roxy Music didn't have besides one hit and the others didn't have at all...admittedly Nyro's was only the success of her songs by other artists). However, shouldn't you be comparing artists in the same genre, like comparing DC5 to the Zombies or Billy Joel to Warren Zevon or something? And I don't agree with the seemingly common prevailing view that Joel is one of the absolute worst inductees (I don't even see how he's worse than Elton John even though everyone else apparently disagrees with me...)

Posted by Sean on Wednesday, 05.15.13 @ 13:04pm


Skip, I like Love alot too, but I will say that Billy Joel is a badass mofo & well deserving of enshirement in the Hall.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 05.15.13 @ 21:46pm


Just a fun fact...

Love is the highest-ranked act on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums list that is NOT inducted into the HOF but eligible. Carole King's Tapestry does rank higher, but after several minutes of dilemma, I decided to include her among the inductees even though she wasn't inducted as a solo artist. Nirvana, assuming they will get inducted next year, has the highest ranked of any non-HOFer.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Friday, 07.26.13 @ 19:57pm


wow Jason I agree again,, Love was ahead of their time Author lee is the Man {RIP] They had some great players


Arthur Lee, who was originally from Memphis, Tennessee but had lived in Los Angeles since the age of five, had been recording since 1963 with his bands, the LAG's and Lee's American Four. He had also produced the single "My Diary" for Rosa Lee Brooks in 1964 which featured Jimi Hendrix on guitar.[3] A garage outfit, The Sons Of Adam, which included future Love drummer Michael Stuart, also recorded a Lee composition, "Feathered Fish." However, after viewing a performance by the Byrds, Lee became determined to form a group that joined the newly minted folk-rock sound of the Byrds to his primarily rhythm and blues style.[2] Singer, songwriter / guitarist Bryan MacLean, who Lee had met working as a roadie for The Byrds, joined the band just before they changed their name from the Grass Roots to Love, spurred by the release of a single by another group called The Grass Roots.[2] Maclean had also been playing guitar in bands since about 1963 but picked up music early. Neighbor Frederick Loewe, of the composers Lerner & Loewe, recognized him as a "melodic genius" at the age of three as he doodled on the piano. Also joining the band were another Memphis native, lead guitarist Johnny Echols, and drummer Don Conka. A short time later, Conka was replaced by Alban "Snoopy" Pfisterer. Love's first bassist, Johnny Fleckenstein, went on to join the Standells in 1967. Fleckenstein was replaced by Ken Forssi (formerly of a post-"Wipe Out" lineup of The Surfaris).

Love started playing the Los Angeles clubs in April 1965 and became a popular local attraction. At this time, they were playing extended numbers such as "Revelation" (originally titled "John Lee Hooker") and getting the attention of such contemporaries as the Rolling Stones and the Yardbirds. The band lived communally in a house called "the Castle" and their first two albums included photographs shot in the garden of that house

Posted by Happy on Friday, 07.26.13 @ 21:03pm


I'd love to see them inducted. You never hear much chatter about them, though. One of those cult hero oversights.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 07.26.13 @ 21:52pm


There's a Page on Facebook dedicated to this:

https://www.facebook.com/InductLoveRNRHOF

Posted by Paul on Monday, 01.19.15 @ 11:41am


Legendary group - need to be in the Hall!

Posted by Tim on Saturday, 01.21.17 @ 11:51am


182 bands have covered LOVE songs spanning decades. Some: Alice Cooper, Electric Prunes, Fever Tree, The Hooters, Lenny Kravitz, Matthew Sweet & Susanna Hoffs, Mazzy Star, The Move, Ramones, Robert Plant, Rush, Sarah Brightman, Urge Overkill, & the Velvet Underground to name a few. That partially explains why albums 1-4 have remained in my listening rotation for 50 years. If nothing else, listen to Forever Changes 10 times. Author, Andrew Hultkrans wrote this about FC album: "It takes work to scale these walls, more work than most causal listeners are willing to endure, but as with any heightened understanding of a great work of art, the rewards are life-informing and affirming. Be forewarned: Forever Changes initially resists interpretation, even ordinary enjoyment, and requires many spins before it casts its odd spell; once it does, though, it will beguile, baffle, challenge, and thrill you for your remaining days." Arthur Lee was the primary songwriter & lead singer & his fondest wish was to be inducted into the R&RHofF. Do yourselves a favor and find as much LOVE music as you can on YouTube & give it a good listen. I have many cds and albums in my collection form many different bands, but LOVE has remained my favorite. Cheers on this Saint Patrick's Day 2017. Induct this band & Arthur Lee.

Posted by Bill McGuire on Friday, 03.17.17 @ 15:07pm


I have to agree with Bill....Love is fantastic.. Arthur Lee was a head of his time.. He had a great band....The bottom end top the top Great live and recorded

Posted by Happy on Wednesday, 03.22.17 @ 22:43pm


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