Rock Hall Revisited
This is a chance for Future Rock Legends readers to vote as if they had a ballot for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Thanks to Gassman for organizing and moderating the voting (this discussion originally started in the comments on the 2010 Inductees page).
Here are the original guidelines that Gassman wrote:
As we all know the time between the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony and the announcement of the nominees in September is a relatively slow time for this website. I have thought up of an idea of how to pass the time. Everybody here has their own problems with the way in which the Hall of Fame is constructed. You either think that there are horrible omissions or you feel that someone got inducted that didn’t deserve it. So I think it would be fun and interesting if we made or own Hall of Fame here. My idea would be that every week would represent a given year and people would get seven votes. The top seven vote getters at the end of the week of voting will get inducted into the Future Rock Legends Hall of Fame. I felt that seven would be a good middle ground as the normal five seems too low, but at the same time 10 seems too high. Also I know that you can change your name and vote multiple times, but please refrain from doing this so this can be somewhat legit.
Voting Results(click on the year to see who was actually inducted in that class)
# = Only the lead performer is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Voting on classes 2011 and beyond continues over at the Rock Hall Projected page.
This site is not affiliated in any way with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum or the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation.
Comments303 comments so far (post your own)
Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:24pm
My tiebreaker vote, quick candidate analysis:
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:25pm
Neil Diamond 4
Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:34pm
Seeing that our voting of 1960's acts has died off a bit, I would like to forth the fallowing acts:
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:35pm
To those who are suggesting we add names such as Garth Brooks, Shania Twain and the Dixie Chicks to the influences category in the future, I don't disagree. But, by then we'd better have inducted Merle Haggard, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, Loretta Lynn, George Jones and Dolly Parton. If we're going to open the country can of worms, we've got a lot of ground to cover.
Posted by DC on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:36pm
Oh and in regards to those 60s act Gassman, I can see someone making a case for Johnny Rivers and the Turtles as well
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:38pm
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:41pm
Seeing that our voting of 1960's acts has died off a bit, I would like to forth the fallowing acts:
Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:44pm
Good list, Gassman. I would add the Shangri-Las, Peter Paul & Mary and Brenda Lee, though.
Posted by DC on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:46pm
I would like to add the these 60s names for consideration as well:
Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:50pm
And of course, Scott Walker!
Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 12:56pm
A few more 60s names in addition to Paul Revere & The Raiders, Johnny Rivers, and The Turtles who had at least their first recording in the 60s who may be worth considering who haven't been mentioned yet:
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 13:00pm
For the entire 60s add The Tokens.
Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 13:30pm
1) Neil Diamond - 4 points
Posted by Jonny on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 14:39pm
Well, this is tough, but I'll have to ignore the seniority thing and vote for the act that's most likely to get lost in the shuffle if they lose this.
Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 14:43pm
1) Motorhead - 4 points
Posted by BSLO on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 14:48pm
Posted by Ray on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 15:08pm
tie breaker votes
Posted by Brian on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 15:09pm
You're welcome Ray!
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 15:34pm
Just a reminder to all that tie breaker voting closes on Monday, August 9th at 12pm Eastern
Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 15:58pm
Posted by Darrin A on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:14pm
Here is my 70's queue, after next year I am going to group the 60's together and split the 70's into early and late (i.e. 2 automatic votes for the 70's, one automatic vote for the 60's):
Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:16pm
I hope to make a big push for Mahavishnu Orchrstra in the near future. They were the premire Jazz-Rock Fusion band. They did it in a way that really was Jazz mixed with Rock unlike some of the other Jazz Rock bands that just had a horn section (not that, that's bad). Also I feel like we need to get John McLaughlin in. He was Miles Davis' guitar player for Bitches Brew, which is probably the main reason why Miles Davis could be considered rock and in the 'real' Hall of Fame as a performer. His playing has influenced various guitar players from different genres including Jeff Beck, Steve Morse, Greg Ginn of Black Flag, and Omar Rodriguez of The Mars Volta.
Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:30pm
Neil Diamond - 4 points
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:34pm
Posted by Kyle on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:48pm
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 16:56pm
Gassman: How about Can, Neu!, Uriah Heep, Tangerine Dream, Rainbow, and Throbbing Gristle for your '70's queue?
Posted by Ray on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:06pm
Well, concerning ELO...in the famous words of Warren Zevon;
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:13pm
Rick - My bad, I fixed. That is why I put post the names, just in case I make a mistake. I hopefully will be voting for ELO very soon. The reason I changed my vote for Jethro Tull and Motorhead is I really want to get Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Iron Maiden in. I came to the conclusion that they would get in faster if I helped get their vote competiton inducted first. Now I am hoping that those who supported Jethro Tull and Motorhead will now vote for ELP and Iron Maiden. ELO is really close to getting my vote, I will probably vote for them in 2011. Also I would have voted for them in the tie breaker if they weren't going up against 3 acts that I voted for.
Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:29pm
"Well, concerning ELO...in the famous words of Warren Zevon;
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:35pm
Posted by Zepulon Pike on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:47pm
Electric Light Orchestra 4
Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:47pm
Rick, dude, not cool. Just drop it. People are voting however they feel. If they feel that Neil and Motorhead and Jeff Beck are more deserving than ELO, that's their right to vote as they see fit. And now also badgering Gassman about it too. This is why I dropped support in 2008. No one is doing Git's work for him; there is no conspiracy. Just let it go. It's the best thing you can do right now.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:55pm
Ooh, A tiebreak between some of my favorites, this could be interesting.
Posted by Dr. W on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 17:56pm
"Rick, dude, not cool. Just drop it. People are voting however they feel. If they feel that Neil and Motorhead and Jeff Beck are more deserving than ELO, that's their right to vote as they see fit. And now also badgering Gassman about it too. This is why I dropped support in 2008. No one is doing Git's work for him; there is no conspiracy. Just let it go. It's the best thing you can do right now.
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:14pm
^What Philip said. We don't want an ELO version of Roy around here ("If Chicago ever sucked blame it on the producers"; bollocks.)
Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:14pm
1. Jeff Beck - 4 Points
Posted by Casper on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:16pm
Gassman? FRL mods? My program's on at 9, so I don't have time to stick around and break up a slapping contest, so if one of you could intervene if anyone gets too defensive, angry or whiny... thank you.
Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:17pm
A four-way tiebreaker. This is something I have not seen in quite a while. Anyway, here are my votes and preferences for whom shall be the tiebreakers.
Posted by Lax27 on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:29pm
Vendl, you're pushing it this time like never before. If it weren't for good old Ray changing his vote from Iron Maiden at just about the last possible minute, you wouldn't even be in this tiebreaker.
Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:34pm
"And now also badgering Gassman about it too.
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:43pm
Gloating eh Terry or should I call you obutiny, might as well be since whoever they were did your dirty work with a 1/2 hour left and you do not sabotage ELO huh, yeah right, you never needed to cry about Jeff Beck getting an induction because you knew that he would all along, easy to say when your favorites always get their inductions!
Posted by obutiny on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:46pm
"Vendl, you're pushing it this time like never before. If it weren't for good old Ray changing his vote from Iron Maiden at just about the last possible minute, you wouldn't even be in this tiebreaker.
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:47pm
Rick - I agree with Philip that your aggressive campaigning is only hurting your cause. ELO is going to get in very soon, there has yet to be an act that has gotten as close as ELO has and not gotten in. Just take a deep breath and clam down. Also, obuity always votes really close to the close of voting and he gave ELO 2 votes during the tie-breaker which means he wants to see ELO get in out of the 4 tie breaker acts. Please just cool it down bit!
Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:56pm
"Wow, I can't believe I just got called out on here. Rick, you need to cool your jets. It's really not that serious. I started voting on this almost a month before you came in. It's not like I'm some mysterious new poster. Most of my votes haven't agreed with Gitarzan so how does that even make sense. And to think, I almost voted for ELO just so you might go away (although I do think they deserve induction just not yet). You're really taking the fun out of this because, after all, this is just for fun.
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 18:56pm
classicrocker, do you think it was cool to post your choices and not mention ELO for your vote total? If I was Rick and a huge ELO supporter I wouldn't be happy either when you or someone else doesn't even mention they exist in your ballot.
Posted by Tom Lane on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:00pm
"If this is why your ELO support stopped then you're no better, so Gitarzan can say whatever he wants about me or E.L.O. and I have to shut up, but when my mother votes, most everybody goes apeshit immediately, what the hell double standard is at play here, boy you guys got some nerve, hypocrites!"--Rick
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:04pm
I don't think it should be permitted to change any votes unless it's 24 hours after the opening of voting instead of 24 hours before the close. There's too much of a temptation to try and manipulate the outcome when people see some of their votes that aren't going to produce a winner think they can change them to alter the outcome. And, yeah, I would feel that way even if it worked in my favor.
Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:05pm
I agree with both Tom Lane and Phillip. Both sides just need to back off, calm down and stop disrespecting each other and the acts people like!
Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:17pm
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:04pm
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:26pm
There's really not going to be any losers in this tiebreaker, as whoever falls short is probably going to be one of the top vote getters next year, so without further ado...
Posted by Weiner on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 19:34pm
"classicrocker, do you think it was cool to post your choices and not mention ELO for your vote total? If I was Rick and a huge ELO supporter I wouldn't be happy either when you or someone else doesn't even mention they exist in your ballot." -Tom
Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:01pm
Git was attempting to make a joke. At least that's what I got from him when he quoted Zevon.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:05pm
Hmmm...if my vote this time around would've registered when I entered it there wouldn't have been a tie-breaker in the first place. Add that to the fact I'm not the one who actually threatened litigation on here for something that's rather trivial.
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:13pm
And now for something completely different...
Posted by Weiner on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:25pm
Oingo Boingo...good group, and one of the tightest bands I've ever heard. Danny Elfman is a SERIOUS composer/arranger. Calling them a "top 5 group" is a bit of a stretch, but they did make a strong statement in the 80's.
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:35pm
My tie-breaker votes.....
Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:55pm
"Gitarzan- gloating about ELO's vote totals was pretty immature as well."- Tom Lane
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:56pm
I said they're in my top 5 favorites, not the top 5 greatest of all time. If we were only concerned with the top 5 greatest of all time, we probably would've stopped around the 1993 induction ceremony.
Posted by Weiner on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:57pm
Oingo Boingo? An underrated band that will always be discounted because of their name much in the same way Flock Of Seagulls will always be discounted because of their goofy haircuts, but I'm not sure the members of the band would even put them in the top 5 all-time.
Posted by Darren on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:59pm
Sorry about the misinterpretation, Weiner...my mistake!
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:01pm
To quote Chuck D., "Who Stole the Soul?"
Posted by Tom Lane on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:03pm
"Oh and we're supposed to believe that's not offensive to Motorhead fans, huh Tom.
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:05pm
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:05pm
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:18pm
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 20:13pm
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:29pm
Rick, knock it off.
Posted by DC on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:36pm
"Isn't this exactly what was said about ELO last round? And the round before? Etc. Jeff Beck would surely get in next round, seeing the backlash of vote changing created when he was out and ELO was in. Motörhead is a sure-fire in next round as people feel we're underrepresenting metal. I personally am not in favor of Neil Diamond, but it seems like some feel that we need more early and singer-songwriter presences in our Hall. ELO is the odd men out, I feel. Their situation is much like The Zombies'. They've been on the cusp for years but never seem to break through. Sure, our Hall definitely has more of a progressive presence than the real HoF, but how many symphonic rock bands do we have? The bands closest to ELO in our Hall are The Beatles and Rush.
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:40pm
"classicrocker, do you think it was cool to post your choices and not mention ELO for your vote total? If I was Rick and a huge ELO supporter I wouldn't be happy either when you or someone else doesn't even mention they exist in your ballot.
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:46pm
"Rick, knock it off.
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 21:55pm
The reaction to all of this was predictable...you started fretting about ELO's lack of votes before it was even a done deal! I didn't double check my posting for the simple reason that it's not "life or death" to me. I didn't get a vote this time...so what???? Also...yes, it's trivial! Aren't there enough frivilous lawsuits floating around without someone threatening another one??? Maybe if you're so thin-skinned and don't like people's comments on this site then maybe you should, I don't know...AVOID IT!!!! I enjoy this site (except for people like you) and I'm not going to change the way I conduct myself. If you don't like it...TOUGH!!! My comment didn't mention your name or refer to you in any way, did it? But you sure jumped on it!
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 22:16pm
"Donnie - Your post is spot on about how our influences section is supposed to work. My goal was to have a section where artists from genres that predate Rock but were active after the birth of rock. This is my opinion would include Blues, Classical, Country, Folk, Gospel, Jazz and some R&B (R&B that is more in the mold of pre-Rock R&B and probably couldn't be described as a least somewhat Rock and Roll). Future acts I could see in this category would be Garth Brooks, Shania Twain and The Dixie Chicks. Where I disagree is with electronica/avant garde and Hip-Hop. To me both of these genres are apart of Rock. This is why I have yet to vote for the Silver Apples as an influence. What is different between them and Kraftwerk. My opinion is that all genres of popular music that have come after the start of the Rock Era in the mid-1950's is a from of Rock. To me Rock is describing period of music like Baroque, Classical or Romantic. I wish I could post a drawing on here where I could show what I am saying."
Posted by Donnie on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 22:33pm
Posted by Mike W on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 22:41pm
Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 22:42pm
Dezmond...maybe (you notice that I said "MAYBE") they could learn something from our conversation about Mark Knopfler today...which I found to be enjoyable.
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.8.10 @ 22:56pm
Sure there are Soul / R&B artists who are worthy but haven't gotten in yet. Every genre is under-represented in some way or another. That's why it's a Hall Of Fame and not a Hall of Everyone Gets In.
Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 00:07am
Wait a minute. My post from this morning all of a sudden showed up?
Posted by Donnie on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 00:13am
Tom, I really appreciated your post on R&B. Our Hall has always been just a little bit behind the real Hall in R&B and I figured we would at least catch up during 2010-2025. But now I am startled that we haven't inducted a single R&B act in years. Like Tom said if our Hall is to be greater than the real Hall, it has to be greater in EVERY single way and R&B has been a HUGE part of the real hall. So to me if our hall is superior than the real Hall in Prog Rock and Metal and Alt-Rock but Inferior in R&B than it can't be ultimately superior to the real hall - just different. And I know we have the potential to build a superior, but I strongly believe that involves inducting several of the remaining R&B acts the Hall has PLUS many R&B acts the real Hall has so far neglected. Keep in mind, at the rate that the real Hall inducts R&B acts, by THEIR 2025 inducting ceremony they will have at least an additional 20 R&B performers. I very strongly believe that by 2025 The Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Jerry Butler, The Stylistics, Chic, Kool & the Gang, The Commodors, and War will be in the real hall.
Posted by Jonny on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 01:39am
"I don't really know much about the Silver Apples, but from what I've heard about them, then I do think the Influences category is the wrong category for them. They were a pioneer of electronica music just as Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Can, etc. were and while I haven't seen a vote for Tangerine Dream yet, anyone voting for Kraftwerk and Can in the Performers category and then voting for the Silver Apples in the Influences category really are putting in some puzzling votes." - Donnie
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 02:49am
And in terms of more R&B/soul, I think it's only a matter of time until we get Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers, Solomon Burke and the Spinners in. I have been pushing for Solomon Burke for a few years now and I will continue to do so next year as I feel he's crucial to have in our Hall.
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 02:54am
Posted by Donnie on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:19am
I echo Tom Lane's sentiments that about finding our R&B voting trend to be disturbing.
Posted by Donnie on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:22am
4 pts. Neil Diamond
Posted by Matt Love on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:26am
"I wouldn't have a problem if Knopfler got in at some point as a sidemen, but I think that's doing a disservice not only to Mark Knopfler but to the hundreds of other great musicians who are worthy but also don't have the name recognition that Mark Knopfler does. By inducting Mark Knopfler as a sideman, we're taking away the chance of acknowleding other musicians who won't ever stand a chance as a performer or non-performer and whose only chance of induction is in the sidemen category." - Donnie
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:48am
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:54am
Woops, didn't mean to post Chris Spedding twice
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 03:56am
Would you guys consider Tower of Power to be more of performers or sidemen? We say that we need more R&B, soul, and jazz acts...
Posted by Weiner on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 04:18am
My tiebreqaker votes:
Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 05:39am
Paul in KY...I really don't think anyone is trying to do that, what I DO think is that it's paranoia coming through at it's very worst and someone taking all of this way too seriously. Besides, it's way too easy for the Web Adm. to see if it came from the same computer.
Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 06:10am
Posted by Kyle on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 06:27am
Donnie - One time I had a post that the website thought was spam and Future Rock Legends was able to get it posted on here. That is probably what happens.
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 07:09am
I mentioned The Andantes some time ago,but the comment fell on deaf ears . They DEFINATELY deserve induction in the sidemen category.
Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 07:40am
To put mediocre Rock acts in , while leaving out bonifide R&B superstars and legends over and over is indeed a travesty, a trend that I hope will be reversed soon.
Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 07:45am
Bill G. - Do you have your James Brown & The Famous Flames write up done yet? I would like to get that soon so we can start next year. Thanks!
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 07:59am
Sam - After listening to both Badmotorfinger and Superunknow today, I am changing my position on Soundgarden. I previously held the position that they should wait until Nirvana got in. Yet I have come to the realization that they really aren't grunge. They are more alt-metal and they were labled grunge because they came from Seattle. They will be getting a vote from me in 2012 along with Guns N' Roses and Beastie Boys (25 years after License to Ill).
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 09:19am
Bill G., who is in our Hall that is "mediocre?" Also, and I am sincerely curious, who are some of your favorite non-R&B artists?
Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 09:40am
My 2009 tiebreaker votes...
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 09:58am
Has the tiebreaker closed? Or will it close in 3 hours?
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 10:15am
Tahvo - You are right it should have closed like a half hour ago. I have been getting confused about what time I am setting as deadlines. I set the time to the Eastern Time Zone as it is the most offical, at least in the US, even though I live in the central. I am currently in Europe so I am 7 hours ahead of home but 6 hours ahead of the Eastern Time Zone. So when I said it would close today at noon I was thinkin noon Central. I am just going to let it go to 1pm Eastern/12 Central. Hope that is okay with everyone.
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 10:30am
Fine with me!
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 10:32am
Tie breaker voting is closed!
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:10am
To Future Rock Legends:
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:21am
Voting is now open for 2010!
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:27am
My votes, with the reasoning coming later!
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:36am
The truth of the matter is that Grunge was a media created genre that lumped together bands of many different genres connected only by geographic location. Pearl Jam's sound is the closest to what people think of when they think of Grunge, but the other bands fit neatly into pre-existing genres.
Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:40am
We are also voting on this rule about voting:
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:40am
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:42am
Here is my ballot:
Posted by George on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:44am
My 2010 votes for induction into Rock Hall Revisited...
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:50am
My vote for 2010
Posted by Greg F. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:50am
Darren - I agree with you on Grunge being more of a media creation, but there are still are some musical connections between the bands. There are a bunch of STP songs that sound a like Nirvana songs.
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:54am
2010 Votes and Musings:
Posted by Dezmond on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 11:57am
George - Both John Coltrane and Miles Davis are already inducted as influence. We have everything listed at the way top. Also if you can't think of any sidem men you should look at the vote getters for last year and look them up on wikipedia or somewhere else online.
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 12:00pm
"We are also voting on this rule about voting:
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 12:00pm
Dezmond - John Mellencamp and Jackson Browne are very close to getting my vote.
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 12:08pm
I'm changing my vote for The Flaming Lips to Silver Apples.
Posted by Greg F. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 12:10pm
Performers- Solomon Burke, Wanda Jackson, Iron Maiden, Gram Parsons, Robert Plant, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Barry White.
Posted by KXB on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 12:14pm
Posted by classicrocker on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 13:00pm
Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 13:01pm
DarinRG - Electronic acts are something that I have not given any thought to. My problem is that I won't vote for an act that I haven't heard at least one of there songs. I won't to at least have an idea of what I am voting for. Now I don't have to like it, I just need to hear what they sould like. I don't think that just because you don't like something, you should't vote for them. I will look into the ones that you and Ray listed.
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 13:16pm
Fair enough, Gassman. I'd really recommend starting with Suicide's self titled debut record. Quite an amazing piece of work for the time. Other good records for introduction would be Throbbing Gristle's "20 Jazz Funk Greats", Cabaret Voltaire's "Original Sound of Sheffield 78/82" and Can's "Cannibalism 1" which is an overview of the first (and most important) phase of their career.
Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 13:31pm
I have always have had a preference for vocal groups...as a singer and a member of a vocal group myself. I have always admired great singers and great vocal harmony . Some of my favorite non-R&B vocal groups include : THE FOUR SEASONS (that's why I voted for them), THE MAMAS & THE PAPAS, THE BEACH BOYS, DION & THE BELMONTS, (what can I say, I'm a middle- aged guy). Great singers all . I'm heavy into 50's & 60's doo wop. I also like GINO VANNELLI,DUSTY SPRINGFIELD, TOWER OF POWER, THE KINKS,THE RASCALS, THE RIGHTEOUS BROS,HALL & OATES ,STEELY DAN and THE DOOBIE BROS.(that's just a partial list.)
Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 14:12pm
Posted by Tom Lane on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 14:12pm
Here is my revised vote for Early Influence: Charlie "Bird" Parker and Edgar Varse (without him, no Zappa!)
Posted by George on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 14:13pm
"Fair enough, Gassman. I'd really recommend starting with Suicide's self titled debut record. Quite an amazing piece of work for the time. Other good records for introduction would be Throbbing Gristle's "20 Jazz Funk Greats", Cabaret Voltaire's "Original Sound of Sheffield 78/82" and Can's "Cannibalism 1" which is an overview of the first (and most important) phase of their career." - DarinRG
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 14:29pm
Posted by The_Claw on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 14:32pm
here are my votes
Posted by Brian on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 15:07pm
My votes for 2010:
Posted by BSLO on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 15:10pm
Oh, and Yes to the voting change
Posted by BSLO on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 15:15pm
Posted by Matt Love on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 15:40pm
My 2010 Class
Posted by Kyle on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 15:47pm
yes to the new rule
Posted by Matt Love on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 17:32pm
Bill G. - Do you have your write up on James Brown & The Famous Flames done? If not I am going to have to give it to someone else or do it myself because I want started on the next year.
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 17:49pm
Gassman - There are plenty of STP songs that sound like Nirvana and Pearl Jam and every other popular band of the 90's. lol My friends and I liked to play the "who are they trying to rip-off" game whenever their new album came out. That being said, they were still really good and I'm actually going to see them and Cage The Elephant in concert in St. Paul on Friday.
Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 17:58pm
It is a shame that some give Rick Vendl II a hard time... I don't always agree with his picks but he seems to have a openmind and knows music.. . carry ON...!
Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 18:17pm
Posted by DC on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 18:43pm
I will list my choices for inductees into the Revisited Rock Hall Class of 2010 shortly. I would like, though, to comment on two different artists.
Posted by Lax27 on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 18:48pm
Lax27 - What about Alan Parsons as a Non Performer? He was the producer for Dark Side of the Moon and worked on a lot of The Beatles albums. I am probably going to vote for him in that category next year if one of my votes gets in this year.
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 19:17pm
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 19:27pm
" Bill G. - Do you have your write up on James Brown & The Famous Flames done? If not I am going to have to give it to someone else or do it myself because I want started on the next year."
Posted by Bill G. on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 19:33pm
Thanks Bill G! If I could get it by tomrrow, that would be awesome!
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 19:49pm
I have been reading the comments of everyone here, & I want to say that we've reached a critical state here. Normally I do not comment extensively, but I feel I must say a few things.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 20:31pm
Cheesecrop, we will certainly consider your words and concerns once we all come across that path.
Posted by Lax27 on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 20:46pm
Posted by Sam on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 20:46pm
Just a reminder to all that tie breaker voting closes on Saturday, August 14th at 3pm Eastern
Posted by Gassman on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:07pm
"Red Hot Chili Peppers 6
Posted by Sam on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:18pm
New artists this year:
Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:44pm
Posted by Weiner on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:48pm
Too bad I didn't have room this year for Spın̈al Tap. They deserve some love!
Posted by Weiner on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:53pm
Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 21:59pm
Posted by Casper on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 22:30pm
There has to be some cut-off point. Otherwise the new artists being considered will only have an album or two under their belt. Basically, any Hall of Fame has lost it's point when Blink 182 or Fall Out Boy get serious consideration. That's when you throw in the towel for sure.
Posted by Darren on Monday, 08.9.10 @ 23:29pm
Posted by Mike W on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:22am
With the Peppers, Beasties and LL Cool J all eligible now, I'll be voting for Rick Rubin as a non-performer very soon.
Posted by DC on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:38am
JAMES BROWN and the FAMOUS FLAMES
Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:40am
sorry for the typos. I'm tired. Going to bed now . will finish this tomorrow.
Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:43am
Here's video clip from 1964's TAMI show.
Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:47am
here's another from that same film :
Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:48am
Here is a clip from SKI PARTY (1965) with James & the Flames http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZo954DwLhA
Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:53am
another clip from SKI PARTY (1965) WITH JAMES BROWN & THE FAMOUS FLAMES
Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 00:57am
Casper & Darren:
Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 02:33am
Here are the votes from Caledonia:
Posted by Darrin A on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 04:52am
As Bill G. finishing up his write up for James Brown & The Famous Flames, lets determine who is going to do who for 1987:
Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 05:37am
RE: my previous post:
Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 06:05am
Posted by Steve Z on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 08:09am
Posted by Zepulon Pike on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 09:34am
DC, Rick Rubin is a great choice. I would like to point out that Dr. Dre should be considered soon for a Non-Performer slot...not just yet, but around the time the 1987 or 1988 artists become eligible.
Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 09:49am
Non-Performers- Rick Rubin, Ted Templeman. Early Influences- Willie Nelson, Ravi Shankar. Sidemen- Kenny Aaronoff, Steve Vai.
Posted by KXB on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 09:51am
Also with Rick Rubin you need to give equal attention to Russell Simmons.
Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 10:00am
Regarding how long to do this, I've already said this before, but I don't see a reason to go passed Class of 2011 (one more class after this one). This is simply because if we are going to be consistent with the real Hall's and our adopted standards (you cannot be inducted unless 25 years have passed since your first release), then for this to be consistent we could not induct any newly eligible artists after 2011, it would all be backlog.
Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 11:17am
Gassman, could you please confirm that a poster mean't to vote for 'Sonny Boy Williamson I', instead of 'Sonny Boy Williamson II'?
Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 12:12pm
"As Bill G. finishing up his write up for James Brown & The Famous Flames, lets determine who is going to do who for 1987:
Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 12:26pm
Paul in KY - I did not know that Alex "Rice" Miller was the real name of Sonny Boy Williamson (II). I will correct my mistake.
Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 12:30pm
Johnny Cash - Tahvo Parvianen (previous claim)
Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 12:38pm
Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 13:17pm
Appreciate all your help, Gassman.
Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 13:19pm
Time for my votes....
Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 13:20pm
since the new rule isn't in play yet, this is the first (and probably only) time I'll be doing this.
Posted by Matt Love on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 16:32pm
As I stated before, I'm showing love to the real Hall's inductees that I'm glad got in. So, I'm continuing that theme.
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 17:10pm
Just for everyone's information, the last election of the fall (and year) should be the 2026 class. I know once we go a few weeks or months without an election, some people will get a little trigger happy...but I think we should try and keep the ten year's distance and return for the 2027 class next September (right before the Cleveland Hall announces their 2012 nominees).
Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 18:23pm
Casper - I totally agree!
Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 19:11pm
I will post my comments up on Sam Cooke once we determine who all will be commenting on which artists.
Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 19:50pm
"Little Richard as his inductor" was what I meant to say.
Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 19:51pm
"I hope you will all feel the same way when I start sending in ballots w/Poison, Ratt, Warrant, Dokken, etc. Since we will need to get our fair quota of pop metal acts in." - Cheesecrop
Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 20:29pm
I do not see the need for a cut-off of 10 years for future Revisited Roc Hall inductions. There are quite a great deal of artists that began their recording careers in the past 10 years that would merit a 2036 induction ceremony, and beyond.
Posted by Lax27 on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 20:33pm
I'll agree to disagree Lax.
Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 21:13pm
do not see the need for a cut-off of 10 years for future Revisited Roc Hall inductions. There are quite a great deal of artists that began their recording careers in the past 10 years that would merit a 2036 induction ceremony, and beyond.
Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 21:24pm
I think it would be fun to discuss which newer bands are worthy of the Hall of Fame, but we should definitely stop 10 years short of the present and I think Lax's inclusion of Lady Gaga is a consideration is a good argument for the cut-off. Her music isn't bad, but there's definitely flash-in-the-pan potential. If her next album sucks, that might be the last we hear from her, which is how pop music works and why we need at least some perspective.
Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 22:44pm
JAMES BROWN & THE FAMOUS FLAMES
Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 22:45pm
PS. But, in OUR Hall, The Flames get INDUCTED !!!
Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 22:48pm
It wasn't Gitarzan who did Elvis, it was me, Donnie. I was too busy writing to see the forest through the trees. I apologize for going against protocol. Substitute BB King for Little Richard.
Posted by classicrocker on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 23:05pm
I'll go ahead and do a write-up for Fats Domino.
Posted by DC on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 01:09am
Bill G - Do you have who would play for them at the ceremony and the three songs they would play as a representation of James Brown career?
Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 02:44am
Gassman, since I finished my draft for Johnny Cash relatively quickly (10-15 minutes) I was wondering if I can help you out here a bit by doing the write-up for Bo Diddley, if nobody else minds of course (I don't even know if I'm allowed to do more than one in a single year?). Also, any word from FRL whether or not these write-ups are going to be posted anywhere?
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 03:13am
Tahvo - At first I wanted it to be one write up per person per year, but the response to this idea has been kinda mediocre. So I have no problem if you want to do another one. Also I have had discussions with FRL. They said that they could accommodate. I told them that I would like to have the ability to click the name of the act/person above and you would go to a special page that would have the write up for that act person. It just might take some time to set things up. Also we still aren't 100% done with 1986 yet, as I need to know who will play for James Brown & The Famous Flames and what 3 songs they will play.
Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 03:28am
What hasn't been mediocre is the quality and variety in these write ups. I think that they all are great and some of you choices for replacement performers/indcutors have been great. Now its time to pick that 3 jam songs! Only rule is it can't be one of the songs played earlier. These are the artists that would be apart of the jam:
Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 03:50am
"Not Fade Away" would be really cool especailly considering that Mick Jagger could sing lead as The Rolling Stones covered it really early in their career.
Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 03:55am
With artists in the 2000's with a few exceptions, it's really too soon to tell what their careers will mean. So I think cutting it off with artists that started out in 1999 (which include 2000's music giants like the White Stripes, Coldplay, Eminem and Beyonce (through Destiny's Child)) is the best route to go. Artists like Rhianna, the Killers, and Lady GaGa who have debuted within the last 5 years, it's just too soon to tell.
Posted by Weiner on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 05:01am
Gassman - Thanks for clarifying. I'll do Bo Diddley then.
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 05:30am
I know some of these acts may be more 70s oriented and some maybe even 50s but here's the compiled list nevertheless. I may try to tackle a 70s one as well. We're still in the middle of the 80s so it's a bit too soon and from the 50s there are still a few notable names left:
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 05:36am
And Weiner, in terms of Muse who I'm not very familiar with, would you recommend any required listening?
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 05:40am
Muse will only have 1 or 2 years to get into the Hall at the end of our voting. I don't know if they'll get in right away, but they'd probably get in eventually if they had more opportunities.
Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 06:08am
I would classify them as new prog far more than indie rock. Their first album had some indie elements, but past there, not much. Although they some recent tracks have a more popular feel to them.
Posted by Weiner on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:03am
"In terms of Daft Punk, I would certainly having nothing against them being in our Hall, but being a semi-chronologcial oriented kind of guy I think by that time we should have Silver Apples (It's great to see them picking up support, at this rate we may even see them in as early as next year which would be amazing), Can and Massive Attack all in. And Suicide, Throbbing Gristle, and the Chemical Brothers should all be considered as well (either before during or after the same time as Daft Punk, as long as they're considered). We've done a good job with inducting Kraftwerk but that was a long time ago and I would like to see getting more of the electronic music going and hopefully Silver Apples and Can aren't to far off as they would both be excellent picks to start"
Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:30am
- We still need some one to do a write up for The Everly Brothers and Bill Haley & His Comets. Doesn't have to be that long and will only take about 10-20 minutes. Also if you don't know much about either or if 50's Country leaning Rock and Roll isn't exactly your favorite type of music, you should do it as an educational experience!
Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:39am
Oh and two other major figures of 90's Electronica music that I forgot to mention who are probably sure-fire HOFers are Bjork and Moby.
Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:41am
Thanks for the recommendations Darren and Weiner, I'll check it out.
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:42am
I don't know if you missed my post Gassman, but I offered to write ups on anyone else you needed (kind of bummed that Tahvo stole Bo Diddley as he's my other favorite of this class lol). With the two remaining choices, I could probably do better on the Everly Brothers, but if you need someone for Bill Haley and His Comets, I'm sure I could come up with something for them.
Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:43am
Donnie, you can have Bo Diddley if you want, I just picked him out as he's probably the one I feel most comfortable writing for after Johnny Cash and I wanted to help Gassman out
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:46am
"The rest it isn't looking too good for unless someone steps up and does some serious campaigning."
Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:47am
That's okay Tahvo. I was mostly kidding. You called dibs on him first and it'd be best for everyone to write about artists that they're qualified for, so if Bo Diddley is someone you're more comfortable with, then I'll leave him up to you.
Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:49am
Also great summary of 80s/90s electronica.
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:51am
That's okay Tahvo. I was mostly kidding. You called dibs on him first and it'd be best for everyone to write about artists that they're qualified for, so if Bo Diddley is someone you're more comfortable with, then I'll leave him up to you.
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:53am
Correction: "after I write it of course"
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:54am
and thanks for the Muse recommendation, Gassman, I initially missed seeing your post there
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 07:57am
Donnie - Go for The Everly Brothers! I'll take Bill Haley & His Comets. I already have an unexpected person in mind to do the induction speach, lol!
Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 08:01am
I would also like to see a push for Love. I one time heard Alice Cooper say on his radio show that Love along with The Doors were the best representation of what the Los Angeles sound was in the late 1960's. They were probably one of the best bands at mixing many different genres together. In thier magnum opus, Forever Changes, which is ranked #40 on Rolling Stones Top 500 albums list (intresting enough this is the highest ranking for an act not in either Hall of Fame) you can here perfect mix of folk, garage rock and psychedila. Also Arthur Lee is one of the underrated frontmen in rock history!
Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 08:12am
Posted by Jim on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 08:39am
Performers: Solomon Burke, Def Leppard, Devo, Husker Du, LL Cool J, Gram Parsons, Red Hot Chili Peppers. Non-Performers: Roy Thomas Baker, Mutt Lange. Early Influences: Willie Nelson, Ravi Shankar. Sidemen: RIck Derringer, Steve Vai.
Posted by K9 RockForce on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 10:26am
Also: YES to the proposed rule change...
Posted by K9 RockForce on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 10:28am
'Forever Changes' is a gorgeous album. Don't hear a lot of garage rock in it, though, Gassman. I would love to see Love eventually get in as well.
Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 12:24pm
I was about to volunteer to take Bill Haley, but it looks like Gassman's already got him. that's cool. I've got my Bob Dylan write up ready for next year.
Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 12:26pm
Gassman- When you said Sam Cooke would be writing the induction speech for Fats Domino, did you mean me?
Posted by DC on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 16:49pm
Also Dezmond- Speaking of Dylan, I just bought my ticket to see him in concert Sunday. I'm pretty damn excited.
Posted by DC on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 16:51pm
Posted by akeem on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 18:16pm
Donnie has mentioned The White Stripes, Coldplay, Eminem, and Beyoncé, and I'd full-heartedly agree with those groups (although I don't very much like Coldplay...). Other artists, especially Lady Gaga, are way too new to have any sort of objectivity or grand opinion made of them. Eminem's first LP was released in 1995, and Slim Shady came out in 1999. He's had 7 albums released, plus 8 Mile and its soundtrack. He's an artist that we can safely call "influential". Lady Gaga has basically had an LP then an EP, the first of which was released in 2008. It's really not be in long enough to look at her "career" as a whole and judge it.
Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 19:37pm
I reserve comment on Daft Punk until I actually listen to them. I like Coldplay, and obviously commercially they're off to a great start (though if you don't like them then you think they're either a lightweight version of The Smiths, Radiohead wannabes or U2-lite.) I don't think they're Hall of Fame material quite yet, but they could be by the time they're eligible, and as long as they keep releasing critically acclaimed and commercially succesful material then, barring a huge scandal or meltdown, they'll get into Cleveland easily. In fact, they're close to being a lock right now, and have a new album out at the end of the year. Muse... well, the music that I've heard is pretty good, but Bellamy is kind of a Thom Yorke wannabe as a singer, which is a major turn-off. I won't pass judgement either way just yet.
Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 19:51pm
1. medley: Please Please Please/Try Me/Prisoner Of Love.
Posted by Bill G. on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 20:19pm
My 2010 votes:
Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 06:06am
I'll explain perfrormers since I have the time:
Posted by Jim on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 08:39am
Donnie, good call on Gene Pitney. I will be supporting him in the years to come as well.
Posted by Jonny on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 15:30pm
Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 15:44pm
In addition to the names being discussed, I'll be supporting The Righteous Brothers real soon as well as LaVern Baker (after reading up some more on her, I fully agree with her induction. She just got inducted too early. Surely, they should have inducted Ruth Brown first).
Posted by Matt Love on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 16:24pm
I'd certainly like one.
Posted by Sam on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 16:44pm
I got some bad news. My computer that they have been using here in Europe got a virus. I have been trying to get it off, but it takes forever and it isn't going anywhere. Fortunately my family just arrived and I am currently using my brothers computer, which means that I will be able to vote. Yet I think I am going to need to have somebody else take over and run the show for a while, until I get my computer fixed. Also I think I am going to put on hold the induction ceremony write ups until I get my situation under control. I am sorry for the inconvenience, this whole situation really sucks!
Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 16:48pm
This is certainly unofficial, but it's based on the tally I keep for myself. I've counted 32 votes. The last one was from Paul In KY.
Posted by Darren on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 17:15pm
"Electric Light Orchestra 12
Posted by Sam on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 18:27pm
Thanks Darren for the voting update!
Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 18:46pm
The Everly Brothers
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 08.12.10 @ 19:56pm
Thanks for the voting update, Darren.
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 01:00am
Darren's unofficial tally matches up with a count I've been keeping
Posted by Darrin A on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 02:47am
Posted by Darrin A on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 04:17am
I can try to keep a running tab on the votes here in Gassman's place if everyone would like?
Posted by Donnie on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 06:50am
I believe voting closes tomorrow at 3 est.
Posted by DC on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 09:16am
My 12 suggestions for the year:
Posted by Jonny on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 14:41pm
Posted by GFW on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 14:54pm
You know GFW, you can add three more performers inductees. There is still time to enhance your selections.
Posted by Lax27 on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 18:06pm
Posted by Ray on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 19:12pm
Posted by Jonny on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 20:21pm
Electric Light Orchestra 14
Posted by Sam on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 20:28pm
Posted by Jonny on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 20:54pm
Posted by obutiny on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 22:48pm
I'll go ahead and close the voting tomorrow.
Posted by DC on Friday, 08.13.10 @ 23:45pm
Here are my votes:
Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 04:14am
Bill G. you voted for the Spinners twice
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 04:26am
Sorry . I voted for The Spinners twice. Place that other vote for The Dells.
Posted by Bill G. on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 04:31am
performers...beastie boys, solomon burke, def leppard, devo, husker du, red hot chili peppers, the spinners; non-performers...mutt lange, rick rubin; early influences...lena horne, willie nelson; sidemen...kenny aaronoff, steve vai
Posted by Speed King on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 09:40am
I honestly don't understand what all the Dire Straits fuss is about. Call me ignorant, but i don't really get when exactly they became HOF-caliber. Everyone seems to push for the them for 2 reasons:
Posted by Jim on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 10:33am
Well Jim, I find it interesting that you dismiss people voting for them because "their music was good" as a matter of personal opinion when you yourself refer to them as a "B-level 80s act" which is also a personal opinion. I mean how does one measure "levels?" It's really up to the person who votes. Some may argue that KISS was totally undeserving of induction and have pushed for Donovan's induction while another may have completely dismissed Donovan as "insignificant" and praised KISS. What one person says may be the "worst inductee in our Hall" someone else will totally disagree with saying that inductee is an excellent choice. And the fact of the matter, both parties may have strong, solid support for their respective opinions. As for why Dire Straits deserve it, I take it you've missed both my own posts and Dezmond's posts on why they deserve to be in and if I've ever simplified my support for them as "they should get in because they're great and Mark Knopfler's a good guitarist" (which I don't believe I have but feel free to correct me), then it was simply a matter of me already expressing in detail prior why I feel they deserve it and it was me not wanting to sound like I'm repeating myself.
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 10:55am
Well KISS actually had undeniable influence though, so they're kinda hard to argue against. As for Donovan, well I never understood why he got in early so i agree with you there. I just don't think the DS quite meet the standards, for 3 reasons:
Posted by Jim on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 11:11am
I think my vote for The Bar-Kays changed to The Mar-Keys in the voting tally. An easy mistake to make, especially since they're both from Stax and have very similar names, but they are actually 2 completely different bands. The Mar-Keys were basically an early mix of Booker T & the MGs and The Memphis Horns. We don't need to honor The Mar-Keys because we have essentially already done that by inducting The MGs and The Memphis Horns. The Bar-Kays, however, followed AFTER these other groups and took Stax to a more sophisticated sound at the end of the 60s with their instrumental tracks and Isaac Haye's groundbreaking albums.
Posted by Jonny on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 11:24am
Jonny- you definitely wrote the Mar-Keys. But that's okay, I fixed it. :)
Posted by DC on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 11:30am
That's fair enough Jim and you make a good argument but since this isn't a small Hall we're working on here (7 Performers a year from 1986 to 2026 is hardly small), there's really not enough no-brainer legendary performers to fill all of these slots (like "The Immortals," pretty convenient how they just decided there was exactly 100 Immortals out there, isn't it? I think there's not any more than 30-40 "Immortal" artists out there and these are the one's who should truly be in a Hall of Fame but obviously this isn't what we're working on here). With all this in mind, it's inevitable that there's going to be artists in our Hall some people disagree with. One man's honey may be another man's poison so to speak.
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 11:31am
That's fine Tahvo, and I'll admit that I myself am ignorant on some acts (Devo, Solomon Burke), but I also think we've covered that whole 80s roots rock quite well, and its time to move on, (although you probably need Mellencamp and *possibly* DS to close the door on it)
Posted by Jim on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 11:51am
Posted by Tennison on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 12:05pm
Jim, Dire Straits is one of my favorite bands, but I admit their "influence" argument is not as strong as many other candidates. I do think that their influence lies primarily with Knopfler's playing, and that playing is best expressed through Dire Straits (vs. solo or as a sideman). And 'Making Movies' was such a huge record overseas (not so much in the States, it took 'Brothers in Arms' to make the band a household name over here). But I do not think it is totally absurd to question whether they are Hall of Fame worthy, although I am certainly voting for them.
Posted by Dezmond on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 12:34pm
By my count it looks like the last few ballots settled our class at ELO, Burke, Maiden, RHCP, Cohen, Devo and Spinners with a two vote cushion separating the rest of the pack. Outstanding class!
Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 12:57pm
Voting is Closed!
Posted by DC on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 13:00pm
Voting's already over?
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 13:09pm
Here are my write-ups on Johnny Cash and Bo Diddley
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 13:17pm
Among my Top 10 favorite classes along with 1997 & 2001-2006!
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 13:39pm
Thanks to everybody who voted for and supported Electric Light Orchestra up until their actual induction, then also, I'd like to apologize to Sam and obutiny for unfairly lumping them in with other people that I do not get along with on here!
Posted by Rick Vendl II on Saturday, 08.14.10 @ 14:06pm
The induction speeches for the Rock Hall Revisited classes can be found here: http://www.futurerocklegends.com/Rock_Hall_Revisited_Inductees.php
Posted by Future Rock Legends on Wednesday, 11.3.10 @ 22:32pm
I grade The Rock Hall Revisited an A all the way. Fine work throughout-especially with progressive rock. Infinitely better than the snubfest of Cleveland.
Posted by classicrocker on Wednesday, 11.3.10 @ 23:04pm
Neil Diamond, Leon Russell, Dr. John & Alice Cooper need their "not in the Hall" designations removed from this page. Darlene Love & The Blossoms need their designation changed from "not in the Hall" to "only the lead performer is in the Hall of Fame".
Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 12.14.10 @ 22:37pm
"I've been thinking ahead to the fall and about what I'd choose. I can't really choose who I'd nominate, but I can decide who I'd induct.
Posted by Bill G. on Sunday, 01.30.11 @ 02:57am
A couple of comments here, based on the "early influence" list on the Snubbed board, as well as a couple of comments on this page about Rick Vendl II's age.
Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 13:39pm
I agree with you on Wanda Jackson.
Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 14:34pm
Charles, yeah, we didn't base the decision off Wanda's induction as an Early Influence. The decision was made near the beginning that we would use the category for all "non-rock" artists, whose contributions had a sizeable impact on rock'n'roll. The problem became a matter of what was "rock" and what was "non-rock". IMO, a lot of acts that arguably got shafted got so because putting them on as Performers meant less ballot space for whatever indie/underground acts we were trying to get in that week/month/"induction year"
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 16:28pm
In fact, Charles, a bunch of us fought to keep Wanda Jackson from getting inducted as an Influence in our little version of it. We campaigned against it, and thankfully, it never happened.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 16:32pm
IMO, a lot of acts that arguably got shafted got so because putting them on as Performers meant less ballot space for whatever indie/underground acts we were trying to get in that week/month/"induction year"
Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 17:03pm
Hey DarinRG, I never went away, but never had much interest in the Song or Album Projects.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 18:37pm
Philip, I think where I've always disagreed with you is that throwing around words like Indie, Alternative and Underground is just too overly broad. That's a big swath of the past 30 or so years of music being dismissed as if it's just some tiny little genre.
Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 18:54pm
I've read your comments, and I appreciate them. I was told otherwise about Wanda Jackson being used as an excuse to induct the others. I'm glad we agree otherwise.
Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 21:43pm
"Then there's the conundrum of musicians contemporary to rock & roll who are vastly influential on rock & roll but are not." -Charles Crossley, Jr.
Posted by classicrocker on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 22:30pm
Charles, I think you're confusing Howlin' Wolf with Elmore James. To my knowledge, Howlin' Wolf was never nominated as a Performer, but Elmore James was. In the case of the Wolf, he had a modest pre-rock career (using '55 as the start of th Rock Era), and a modest one Rock Era. "Smokestack Lightning was from '56, but the double sided hit that included "Moanin' At Midnight" was from '51. So you could go either way there. For Elmore, "Dust My Broom" is probably the most important record of his, and was from '51 or '52. Hooker I won't even guess to explain. I think WE called him an Influence, just as we did with Willie Nelson, the Four Freshmen, and Gil Scott-Heron. And if memory serves, there was a buzz about trying to get Coltrane in our Revisitation/Projection as an Influence too.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07.23.11 @ 23:35pm
Howlin' Wolf was nominated for the performer category in 1989, Philip. Go check it out.
Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Sunday, 07.24.11 @ 00:08am
Kraftwerk NOT rock? Ha! Influenced by the Velvet Underground, the Beatles, early Pink Floyd and the Beach Boys besides the obvious influence of composer Karlheinz Stockhausen. The British press at the time lumped them in a category called "Krautrock", and they were known as that throughout the 70s. Electronica, btw, is considered a subgenre of rock, and electronica starts with Kraftwerk. So, what is it about how you define rock that cuts out the historical facts behind Kraftwerk being rock? You need to go back to the books, classicrocker.
Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Sunday, 07.24.11 @ 00:16am
As for Vendl, even if he was born in the early 70s, that means he was culturally aware through much of ELO's heyday. Speaking as someone who was indeed there, Vendl has an overblown emphasis on ELO, and he'll be the first to admit he gets carried away. But that's not saying they aren't important. And when it comes to his facts, he is absolutely correct.
Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Sunday, 07.24.11 @ 00:22am
"Electronica, btw, is considered a subgenre of rock, and electronica starts with Kraftwerk. So, what is it about how you define rock that cuts out the historical facts behind Kraftwerk being rock?"
Posted by classicrocker on Sunday, 07.24.11 @ 00:57am
Charles, where do you get your information on the Wolf being on the 1989 ballot? I looked here on this site and don't see him listed at all as having been nominated before. Care to point me to your source?
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.24.11 @ 12:46pm
Hi, Philip. Got my information from the Cleveland Plain Dealer on that one. Only the Plain Dealer reported on nominees back then. I'm currently looking for my copy of the page that article was on. It's gonna take awhile - it's paper. . . . I sent a request to the circulation desk to see if I could buy another copy of that page, in case that's a lot quicker.
Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Tuesday, 07.26.11 @ 05:06am
Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Tuesday, 07.26.11 @ 05:21am
One of the things that sets rock apart is what Chuck Berry called "the backbeat, you can't lose it." I was listening to the 22 minute version of "Autobahn" today, and guess what? There's a backbeat throughout that whole thing. See, there's a reason they called it rock back when Kraftwerk first came out - because it was.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 07.26.11 @ 07:18am
Well, let's start with the technicality. Kraftwerk originally had a drummer. His name was Wolfgang Flur.
Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Tuesday, 07.26.11 @ 10:40am
So, coming to your point, you're saying that because you want live drums, that Kraftwerk isn't rock, because Kraftwerk doesn't have live drums. I submit that has nothing to do with whether Kraftwerk is rock or not, and it has everything to do with you, and so your preference shouldn't be used to sideline Kraftwerk, or else you're just like the nominators who have sidelined prog all these years.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 07.27.11 @ 08:14am
Charles, I take it your definition of "Rock Era" means it begins with the very first rock'n'roll record. I think the more commonly accepted definition is the time when rock'n'roll began to take over the pop scene. Other than hit or miss, Ray, Fats, Ruth, etc. didn't cross over to the pop scene until '55 or so.
Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 07.27.11 @ 13:18pm
I love these selections. I do believe you have created a Rockhall list that is superior to the true RHOF inductees. I think that your inductees would have few detractors, while the Cleveland Rock Hall has many. I love the fan voting aspect of it. Something like this could yield a viable alternative, analogous to the American Music Awards v. the Grammys. I have created a Rock Hall playlist, that I am thinking about replacing with these, more accurate and democratic selections.
Posted by Gordster on Thursday, 09.22.11 @ 06:37am
I love these selections. I do believe you have created a Rockhall list that is superior to the true RHOF inductees. I think that your inductees would have few detractors, while the Cleveland Rock Hall has many. I love the fan voting aspect of it.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 09.23.11 @ 06:36am
Hi all. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes around here. I think this was a fantastic, fun idea, but I missed it. So I am repeating the experience on the internet movie database message boards. We have already completed the 1986 voting, but everything else is still ahead of us. If you missed the voting here, or just want to experience it all over again, come over and vote. I'm trying to get as many voters as possible for the best results. Link here:
Posted by jtrichey on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 12:28pm
Back to the "Kraftwerk-Topic":
Posted by Soundcheck on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 10:08am
Sylvia Robbinson NEEDS to be inducted as a non performer. This women is one of the most important record producers in history for her work in disco and rap. Robinson is credited as the mother of modern hip-hop, and an important influence on the formation of disco.
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