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About the 2024 Inductees, Alec Tess wrote: | |
I have seen LP on best bands of the 2000s lists And Hybrid Theroy and Meteora on several best albums and Rock Albums of the 2000s lists | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 12:13pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, will m wrote: | |
the problem w Linkin park is I still don't think they have enough critical respect. there's like no placements on any critic lists or anything. all extremely populist. I'd imagine deftones or SOAD get the nu metal nod first. but even then I don't expect them for another 14 years | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 11:59am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Alec Tess wrote: | |
Iron Maiden will return to the ballot in 2025 in 3 straight odd years like just like how Judas Priest were one the ballot 3 straight even years (2018,2020 and 2022) and for Maiden it will be (2021,2023, and 2025) And like with Priest they are set to get the Musical Excellence route in 2025 | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 11:38am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Alec Tess wrote: | |
Here are some reasons I think Linkin Park will surprise us and get a 2025 Rock Hall nomination at least 1.They are one of the most successful and influential Rock bands of the 21st century so far like with Coldplay and LP has influences that go beyond Rock music and go into Pop,Rap and Electronic music some key Non Rock acts influenced or fans of them are Halsey,The Weeknd,Billie Eilish.Chance the Rapper,Tyler The Creator and Rihanna 2.The Hall even since Rick Krim and John Skyes became part of the nomination committee have been not shy on nominating acts that were massive on MTV and VH1 back in the day and in the 2000s one of the Rock acts that dominated MTV was Linkin Park 3.Like with Coldplay for better or for worse they have shaped what the Rock scene has sounded like since the early 2010s 4.Chester Bennington has been seen as this martyr figure in recent memory (RIP) 5.Recently Linkin Park has been released a bunch of unreleased songs and old demos reworked which has gone on to crack the Top 40 on the Hot 100 and have top the Mainstream Rock charts and they just released a greatest hits album from 2003 to 2023 and we could see more unreleased and reworked stuff being released as singles which could have the same impact 6.It will be 25 years since Linkin Park released their smash hit debut album "Hybrid Theroy" with their biggest song on it "In The End" so that would be cool to capitalize on that 7.Linkin Park became the first rock band to achieve more than one billion YouTube views. "Numb" is the third and "In the End" is the sixth "timeless song" on Spotify. The two songs make Linkin Park the only artist to have two timeless songs in the top ten. 8.Rage Against the Machine getting in I feel as opened up the door for them and other Rap Metal acts to be considered | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 11:28am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
Also Motley crue seems to have a ton of industry enemies, which may hinder their chances. | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 11:11am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
i think motley crue will wait more years but who knows I still predict maiden to be nominated in next year but I will not be surprised if Motley Crue is nominated in 2025 | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 11:10am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, xwing1212 wrote: | |
Does anybody think that after Ozzy, Motley Crue could be logical choice for a heavy metal nomination? They could voted in and would be a draw to the ceremony. | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 10:59am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, xwing1212 wrote: | |
DJ Yella (who was inducted with NWA in 2016) confirmed in a Patreon episode of "Who Cares About the Rock Hall that he no longer receives a ballot because he didn't vote for a few years. Would the Rock Hall pull the voting privileges from Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, or Mick Jagger if those guys did the same? | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 10:56am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Michael W. wrote: | |
In my eyes, the issue with Mariah Carey is that, despite her immense vocal talent, she doesn't have the ability to evoke any genuine emotion when she sings. It all seems very rehearsed and disingenuous. In this regard, she is much more similar to Celine Dion than to other's in her lane. That's where Mary J. excelled over Mariah. You can feel her emotion when she sings "Be Without You" or "Just Fine". When she covered U2's "One", it felt genuine. When Mariah covers someone else's songs, it doesn't typically resonate the way the original does even though she is inevitably a more talented singer than the other person. Harry Nillson sounds far more convincing on his version of "Without You" than Mariah does on hers, for example. She can hit any note she wants, but for many people, myself included, she doesn't use that ability in a way that stirs one's emotions. This also carries over to her public persona, where she always feels like she's trying to do and be whatever she thinks a "diva" should do and be, rather than just being herself. That can be very off-putting to a lot of people. Katy Perry is an example of someone else who comes across the same way in this regard. That being said, she will eventually be inducted based on the sheer volume of hits she's created and the amount of influence she has on American Idol-type singers. I wouldn't presume to know what the Hall voters' rationale is regarding Mariah, but for me, Mariah's best comparison is Bon Jovi, great at making hits and probably deserving of induction as a result, but never really creating anything of substance. | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 08:40am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, will m wrote: | |
lc, I can definitely see that as a possibility, coupled with as ChrisD has written the very dismissive attitude of many rockiest voters, its way easier to imagine a scenario where she finishes low on the ballot. that'd align with Alan Lights statement of the top 8 being all way above the bottom 7. | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 08:25am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, lc wrote: | |
Someone posted on Facebook, that everyone assumed Mariah Carey had the votes. So many voters felt they would use their vote to help someone else. | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 07:58am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Paul in KY wrote: | |
K-Dawg, The Monkees had a Broadcasting System working with them and on behalf of them. They had Neil Diamond and others writing their songs. The guys & gals in bands that didn't have that kind of help don't like or respect that (in terms of being in Hall). | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 05:31am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Follower wrote: | |
I remember someone noting the members of USA for Africa/We Are The World that are in the Hall of Fame. How about I do that now with an update? USA For Africa members in the Hall of Fame: 01. Quincy Jones 02. Ray Charles 03. Smokey Robinson 04. Stevie Wonder 05. Diana Ross 06. Michael Jackson 07. Tito Jackson 08. Marlon Jackson 09. Jackie Jackson 10. Tina Turner 11. Bruce Springsteen 12. Billy Joel 13. Daryl Hall and John Oates 14. Lindsey Buckingham 15. Bob Dylan 16. Paul Simon 17. Steve Perry 18. Harry Belafonte 19. Lionel Richie 20. Willie Nelson 21. Dionne Warwick USA For Africa members NOT in the Hall: 01. Kenny Rogers 02. Kenny Loggins 03. Huey Lewis and the News 04. Cyndi Lauper 05. Kim Carnes 06. Al Jarreau 07. James Ingram 08. Jeffrey Osbourne 09. The Pointer Sisters 10. LaToya Jackson 11. Randy Jackson 12. Sheila E. 13. Bette Midler 14. Bob Geldof 15. Waylon Jennings 16. Dan Akroyd | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 05:08am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Roy wrote: | |
21st Century Artists Become Eligible for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame next year!! | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 04:59am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Roy wrote: | |
THE 2025 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES Ben E. King Mary Wells The Marvelettes Diana Ross Chubby Checker Judy Collins Peter, Paul & Mary The Kingston Trio Jan & Dean The Monkees The Spencer Davis Group Blood, Sweat & Tears Emerson, Lake & Palmer Jethro Tull King Crimson Commodores Phil Collins Joe Cocker | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 04:52am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, GuestG wrote: | |
People finding out the insiders club is in fact the insiders club. I mean how else did you all expect people like Sheryl Crow, Dr John and Peter Frampton to immediately get inducted when brought up but outsiders like Kraftwerk, Dianne Warwick, Judas Preist, MC5 with better resumes could never get the amount of inductions needed? This is pretty clear indication, the voter base has to be an insane percentage of boomers Been rumored for years so not surprising and even expected, I think part of my interest is how bizarrely it's ran like this so you root for underdogs. It just makes it funnier with how most young people don't give a shit or are just looking into this hall as a sort of interesting circus | |
Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 03:53am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, chasingwildcat wrote: | |
will m This further shows that the Rock Hall is in a vicious cycle, becoming a game for insiders to entertain themselves. Outsiders, even those who are inductees, are much less likely to vote than insiders. As a result, their voting rights are also stripped away. This leads to an increasingly higher proportion of votes coming from insiders. I also think this is definitely a case of discrimination. For instance, Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel—though it's unthinkable because they are the most enthusiastic and control the Rock Hall—I believe that even if they didn't vote for ten years, they would still 10000% get votes. Whereas other less known or outsider inductees might have their voting rights stripped away. Even more conspiratorially, one could suspect that the 'not voting for two consecutive years' rule is just an excuse for the Rock Hall to strip outsiders of their voting rights. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 23:16pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
Power, Mat R, Elle Dee, Plebeian, Will M, K-Dawg, Timothy Pernell and others, What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:59pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote: | |
@Timothy Pernell: I would also add that having Clive Davis - the industry heavyweight that he still is with his glamorous pre-Grammy party et al - as an internal advocate most assuredly helped Whitney's chances as well. Neither Mariah nor Janet has/had that same advantage, which is why they had a harder time on their first ballot appearance. But there is no question about it that Whitney was more of the industry darling, and for a while was the North Star for Black music, ambition and representation, a position stripped of Diana Ross the moment the WH debut album became a success; but one that came with certain pressures she obviously couldn't handle. Now there is Beyonce who owns that title and has wielded it to her advantage into her forties in a way that neither Whitney nor Diana nor MJ never could. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:27pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
Will M This is just too crazy. It's hard to believe. Would the Rock Hall do this to Paul McCartney, Springsteen, Stevie Wonder? I think this is discrimination. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:22pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
No, that's not the issue. Cher was also considered a lock, so why isn't there a supposed issue where voters, thinking she's a lock, don't vote for her and instead give their votes to someone else? I think it's more that voters just aren't that fond of Mariah Carey. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:19pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Will m wrote: | |
The rock hall news from FRL is insane Completely changes how we view the voting body, imagine loads of classic rockers literally can't vote for whatever reason | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 21:04pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, JE wrote: | |
The possible ballot for next year's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions. Returning: Mariah Carey Iron Maiden Joy Division/New Order Lenny Kravitz Cyndi Lauper The Replacements New: Alice in Chains Bjork Coldplay Daft Punk Melissa Etheridge John Mayer OutKast Diana Ross Snoop Dogg Possible contenders for side categories. Musical Influence: John Coltrane, Ella Fitzgerald, Dick Dale Musical Excellence: Devo, Fela Kuti, New York Dolls, Warren Zevon Ahmet Ertugun Award: Estelle Axton | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 20:45pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, RG wrote: | |
Richie, Bad Company Coldplay Cyndi Lauper Diana Ross Joy Division/New Order Outkast Soundgarden White Stripes (if 8) | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 20:02pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
RG, Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Bad Company, Tracy Chapman, Coldplay, Lauryn Hill, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, OutKast, Pixies, The Pointer Sisters, Diana Ross, Soundgarden, War and The White Stripes). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 18:31pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
RG, Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Bad Company, Tracy Chapman, Coldplay, Lauryn Hill, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, OutKast, Pixies, The Pointer Sisters, Diana Ross, Soundgarden, War and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 17:57pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, RG wrote: | |
Initial 2025 Predictions: Returning: Cyndi Lauper Joy Division/New Order Motorhead Soundgarden War The White Stripes New: Alanis Morrissette Bad Company Coldplay Diana Ross Lauryn Hill Outkast Pixies The Pointer Sisters Tracy Chapman | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 17:38pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
lc, What were the official final voting results for each of the 2024 nominees?. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 16:51pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Ic wrote: | |
Someone posted on Facebook, that everyone assumed Mariah Carey had the votes. So many voters felt they would use their vote to help someone else. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 16:46pm | |
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About Taylor Swift, Barry wrote: | |
Like her or not this is the surest of sure things. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 15:49pm | |
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About Ozzy Osbourne, Rachel K. wrote: | |
Teresa said it best. RNRHF doesn't know what they are doing. Shitshow. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 15:20pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Timothy Pernell wrote: | |
ChrisD, Willie, I think one of the main reasons for Whitney getting in easier than Mariah may have to do with two things: one was the obvious influence Whitney had in the black female artists that came after her either as a black woman or through her musical choices and two, Whitney was far less polarized than Mariah. Someone did suggest that Mariah may still have haters inside the industry that was against her nomination though it was approved. Plus, having All I Want for Christmas is You being her signature song probably hurt Mariah's chances even more so. Whitney easily has like five definitive songs in her catalog - How Will I Know, Greatest Love of All, I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me), I Will Always Love You, I Have Nothing - whereas it's tougher for Mariah outside AIWFCIY. Plus Mariah is just now starting to get a reappraisal that Whitney got after her death. Plus Mariah was never Brandy or Aaliyah's peer. She was MJB's. Janet, Madonna and Whitney were peers (1980s) so Mariah was definitely after them. It'll take Mariah maybe one or two more nominations before she's clear. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 15:07pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Greg F wrote: | |
Richie I don't have any early predictions at this time. I'll post some when I think of some. Please don't constantly ask me. I'll post them when I'm ready. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 14:01pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
Power, Mat R, Elle Dee, Plebeian, RG, Greg F, Will M and others, What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 13:29pm | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, K-Dawg wrote: | |
why do you say as such on the Monkees, Paul? | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 10:05am | |
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About Kool and the Gang, Bill G wrote: | |
HERE WE GO AGAIN…. Inducting a Black group…the MAJORITY of whose members are DEAD… So that only TWO new members of Color are added to the Voting Body… And The HoF STILL thinks that people are DUMB or NAIVE as to what's REALLY going on. Only ONE of THE COMMODORES got inducted. RICHIE. Only ONE member of RUFUS got inducted. CHAKA Only ONE,maybe TWO of THE SPINNERS got in…HENRY and JOHN .HENRY DIES ONE MONTH LATER… While the REST of the members of these groups are IGNORED or DEAD.. …And so, the DECEPTION goes on. Fewer Black Voters means less Black representation in the Voting Body… To INDUCT OTHER BLACK ARTISTS IN… Thus the DISPARITY and DECEPTION CONTINUES. And Black artists continue to get SHORT SHRIFT. DONNA SUMMER was NOMINATED FOUR TIMES: 2008, 2010,2011,&2012… With NO INDUCTION. Then she DIED… And THEN they inducted her. Number added to VOTING BODY..ZERO. SMOKEY was inducted ALONE in 1987…while the REST of THE MIRACLES were IGNORED… Then the HoF WAITED: FIVE YEARS…TEN YEARS TWENTY YEARS… 25 YEARS!! In the INTERIM, RONNIE WHITE DIED…MARV TARPLIN DIED…and BOBBY ROGERS was NEAR DEATH. ONLY CLAUDETTE and PETE were LEFT… and THEN, MOTOWN'S Legendary First Group was FINALLY INDUCTED. Then PETE DIED.. Only SMOKEY and CLAUDETTE were LEFT. ONLY TWO PEOPLE added to the VOTING BODY… And SO…The GAME GOES ON.. BIG MAMA THORNTON was inducted this year. She's DEAD. KOOL & THE GANG got in…MOST are DEAD. JAMES BROWN got in the FIRST YEAR…THE FAMOUS FLAMES were SNUBBED… 26 YEARS GO BY… THE FAMOUS FLAMES are FINALLY INDUCTED in 2012. BOBBY BYRD, JOHNNY TERRY,and LLOYD STALLWORTH are DEAD…Only BOBBY BENNETT is LEFT…Then THE FAMOUS FLAMES finally GET IN.BOBBY DIES 8 MONTHS LATER…NOBODY added to the VOTING BODY. DO…YOU…SEE…A…PATTERN…HERE ?? | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 07:28am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, Paul in KY wrote: | |
The Monkees will never be inducted. Gram Parsons will be when everyone in Hall who actually knew and/or met Gram Parsons is dead and Motley Crue will be inducted once all band members are dead. | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 07:26am | |
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About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote: | |
@willie: You don't…you don't actually believe that do you? Well if you do then you're not a serious enough person to debate with. The thing is, remember how that the anonymous voter in 2020 likened Whitney to Streisand and Julio Iglesias, dismissed her music as schlock, but the Hall voted her in anyway? And again, the majority of her recorded music is sonically closer to Streisand and Celine, but she eclipsed the canonical class of white MOR singers because of her direct and explicit lineage to the black musical traditions, which she showed more in her live performance than in her recorded music. Like Diane Warren is a looming presence on most of her albums. And actually many would argue that Whitney is 50% Aretha and 50% Streisand. So you're pitting Swiss cheese against cheddar cheese. Also why are we continuing to use Whitney as a benchmark when you're just proving my point that there are unchecked biases against Mariah that are still unidentified and unidentifiable. I literally mentioned multiple times that Chris Molanphy specifically, intentionally, strategically, systematically made his ballot choices according to tokenized criteria so he wouldn't have to vote for Mariah. He said (I'm paraphrasing): "how can I make my ballot choices around Mariah in a way that doesn't make me look like a racist or misogynist." So I repeat, my points and curiosities are beyond the capacity of this forum? | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:42am | |
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About King Crimson, Roy wrote: | |
Foreigner is in, King Crimson and Jethro Tull are next! | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:27am | |
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About Jethro Tull, Roy wrote: | |
Foreigner is in, King Crimson and Jethro Tull are next! | |
Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:25am | |
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