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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| RG, Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Bad Company, Tracy Chapman, Coldplay, Lauryn Hill, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, OutKast, Pixies, The Pointer Sisters, Diana Ross, Soundgarden, War and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 17:57pm | |
| Leave your own comment about the 2024 Inductees here. | |
| About the 2024 Inductees, RG wrote: | |
| Initial 2025 Predictions: Returning: Cyndi Lauper Joy Division/New Order Motorhead Soundgarden War The White Stripes New: Alanis Morrissette Bad Company Coldplay Diana Ross Lauryn Hill Outkast Pixies The Pointer Sisters Tracy Chapman | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 17:38pm | |
| Leave your own comment about the 2024 Inductees here. | |
| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| lc, What were the official final voting results for each of the 2024 nominees?. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 16:51pm | |
| Leave your own comment about the 2024 Inductees here. | |
| About the 2024 Inductees, Ic wrote: | |
| Someone posted on Facebook, that everyone assumed Mariah Carey had the votes. So many voters felt they would use their vote to help someone else. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 16:46pm | |
| Leave your own comment about the 2024 Inductees here. | |
| About Taylor Swift, Barry wrote: | |
| Like her or not this is the surest of sure things. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 15:49pm | |
| Leave your own comment about Taylor Swift here. | |
| About Ozzy Osbourne, Rachel K. wrote: | |
| Teresa said it best. RNRHF doesn't know what they are doing. Shitshow. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 15:20pm | |
| Leave your own comment about Ozzy Osbourne here. | |
| About the 2024 Inductees, Timothy Pernell wrote: | |
| ChrisD, Willie, I think one of the main reasons for Whitney getting in easier than Mariah may have to do with two things: one was the obvious influence Whitney had in the black female artists that came after her either as a black woman or through her musical choices and two, Whitney was far less polarized than Mariah. Someone did suggest that Mariah may still have haters inside the industry that was against her nomination though it was approved. Plus, having All I Want for Christmas is You being her signature song probably hurt Mariah's chances even more so. Whitney easily has like five definitive songs in her catalog - How Will I Know, Greatest Love of All, I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me), I Will Always Love You, I Have Nothing - whereas it's tougher for Mariah outside AIWFCIY. Plus Mariah is just now starting to get a reappraisal that Whitney got after her death. Plus Mariah was never Brandy or Aaliyah's peer. She was MJB's. Janet, Madonna and Whitney were peers (1980s) so Mariah was definitely after them. It'll take Mariah maybe one or two more nominations before she's clear. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 15:07pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Greg F wrote: | |
| Richie I don't have any early predictions at this time. I'll post some when I think of some. Please don't constantly ask me. I'll post them when I'm ready. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 14:01pm | |
| Leave your own comment about the 2024 Inductees here. | |
| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| Power, Mat R, Elle Dee, Plebeian, RG, Greg F, Will M and others, What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 13:29pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, K-Dawg wrote: | |
| why do you say as such on the Monkees, Paul? | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 10:05am | |
| Leave your own comment about the 2024 Inductees here. | |
| About Kool and the Gang, Bill G wrote: | |
| HERE WE GO AGAIN…. Inducting a Black group…the MAJORITY of whose members are DEAD… So that only TWO new members of Color are added to the Voting Body… And The HoF STILL thinks that people are DUMB or NAIVE as to what's REALLY going on. Only ONE of THE COMMODORES got inducted. RICHIE. Only ONE member of RUFUS got inducted. CHAKA Only ONE,maybe TWO of THE SPINNERS got in…HENRY and JOHN .HENRY DIES ONE MONTH LATER… While the REST of the members of these groups are IGNORED or DEAD.. …And so, the DECEPTION goes on. Fewer Black Voters means less Black representation in the Voting Body… To INDUCT OTHER BLACK ARTISTS IN… Thus the DISPARITY and DECEPTION CONTINUES. And Black artists continue to get SHORT SHRIFT. DONNA SUMMER was NOMINATED FOUR TIMES: 2008, 2010,2011,&2012… With NO INDUCTION. Then she DIED… And THEN they inducted her. Number added to VOTING BODY..ZERO. SMOKEY was inducted ALONE in 1987…while the REST of THE MIRACLES were IGNORED… Then the HoF WAITED: FIVE YEARS…TEN YEARS TWENTY YEARS… 25 YEARS!! In the INTERIM, RONNIE WHITE DIED…MARV TARPLIN DIED…and BOBBY ROGERS was NEAR DEATH. ONLY CLAUDETTE and PETE were LEFT… and THEN, MOTOWN'S Legendary First Group was FINALLY INDUCTED. Then PETE DIED.. Only SMOKEY and CLAUDETTE were LEFT. ONLY TWO PEOPLE added to the VOTING BODY… And SO…The GAME GOES ON.. BIG MAMA THORNTON was inducted this year. She's DEAD. KOOL & THE GANG got in…MOST are DEAD. JAMES BROWN got in the FIRST YEAR…THE FAMOUS FLAMES were SNUBBED… 26 YEARS GO BY… THE FAMOUS FLAMES are FINALLY INDUCTED in 2012. BOBBY BYRD, JOHNNY TERRY,and LLOYD STALLWORTH are DEAD…Only BOBBY BENNETT is LEFT…Then THE FAMOUS FLAMES finally GET IN.BOBBY DIES 8 MONTHS LATER…NOBODY added to the VOTING BODY. DO…YOU…SEE…A…PATTERN…HERE ?? | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 07:28am | |
| Leave your own comment about Kool and the Gang here. | |
| About the 2024 Inductees, Paul in KY wrote: | |
| The Monkees will never be inducted. Gram Parsons will be when everyone in Hall who actually knew and/or met Gram Parsons is dead and Motley Crue will be inducted once all band members are dead. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 07:26am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote: | |
| @willie: You don't…you don't actually believe that do you? Well if you do then you're not a serious enough person to debate with. The thing is, remember how that the anonymous voter in 2020 likened Whitney to Streisand and Julio Iglesias, dismissed her music as schlock, but the Hall voted her in anyway? And again, the majority of her recorded music is sonically closer to Streisand and Celine, but she eclipsed the canonical class of white MOR singers because of her direct and explicit lineage to the black musical traditions, which she showed more in her live performance than in her recorded music. Like Diane Warren is a looming presence on most of her albums. And actually many would argue that Whitney is 50% Aretha and 50% Streisand. So you're pitting Swiss cheese against cheddar cheese. Also why are we continuing to use Whitney as a benchmark when you're just proving my point that there are unchecked biases against Mariah that are still unidentified and unidentifiable. I literally mentioned multiple times that Chris Molanphy specifically, intentionally, strategically, systematically made his ballot choices according to tokenized criteria so he wouldn't have to vote for Mariah. He said (I'm paraphrasing): "how can I make my ballot choices around Mariah in a way that doesn't make me look like a racist or misogynist." So I repeat, my points and curiosities are beyond the capacity of this forum? | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:42am | |
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| About King Crimson, Roy wrote: | |
| Foreigner is in, King Crimson and Jethro Tull are next! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:27am | |
| Leave your own comment about King Crimson here. | |
| About Jethro Tull, Roy wrote: | |
| Foreigner is in, King Crimson and Jethro Tull are next! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:25am | |
| Leave your own comment about Jethro Tull here. | |
| About Foreigner, Roy wrote: | |
| Foreigner is in, King Crimson and Jethro Tull are next! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:21am | |
| Leave your own comment about Foreigner here. | |
| About the 2024 Inductees, Elle Dee wrote: | |
| willie I disagree. Sinéad was highly influential among female singer/songwriters in alt-rock. I placed her in the same category as Kate Bush because they paved the way for the likes of Tori, PJ, Dolores, Liz, Sarah, Alanis, Fiona. There's a reason why you would see her albums "The Lion and the Cobra" and "I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got" on lists of the best albums of all time because she was an artist who was way ahead of time with her look, sound, and dark confessional songwriting (who was singing about being a survivor of child abuse in 1987 and suffering three miscarriages in 1990?). She was someone who women like Liz, Tori, Sarah, Alanis, Fiona look up to. She was deified by women in music as an iconic force of nature in her music and attitude. Sure her mainstream American popularity (1987-1992) was brief, but her influence on the women who came after her shouldn't be ignored just because she had one American hit. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:07am | |
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| About The Commodores, Roy wrote: | |
| Kool & the Gang is in, Commodores are next!!! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:43am | |
| Leave your own comment about The Commodores here. | |
| About Kool and the Gang, Roy wrote: | |
| Robert Bell and J.T. Taylor are the only surviving members of Kool & the Gang being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Both of them will be at the ceremony, and both can still perform! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:38am | |
| Leave your own comment about Kool and the Gang here. | |
| About Kool and the Gang, Roy wrote: | |
| The Commodores are next! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:35am | |
| Leave your own comment about Kool and the Gang here. | |
| About the 2024 Inductees, Roy wrote: | |
| 7 horn players being inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame this year! That's the most ever! All coming from Kool & the Gang, Foreigner, and Dave Matthews Band. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:32am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, willie wrote: | |
| No, Whitney Houston, even if she were nominated this year, would easily be inducted. Meanwhile, Mariah Carey did not even make it into the top half of the voting results. Mariah Carey's music is quite cheesy, and she mainly influences other cheesy artists. That's why voters have a bias against her. Don't blame her lack of success on discrimination by white men, Whitney doesn't face that issue. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:30am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote: | |
| @Willie: So I guess my question is larger than this forum. Because I see the contradictions in your logic as much as I did in Chris Molanphy's and Roy Trakin's. I've been a Mariah fan for many years, more so on the mid-to-high range considering how violently off the scale committed many of her fans can be (I'll watch a YouTube interview from time to time if the algorithm suggests, but still not entirely apprised of her deeper lore) and even I know that straight old white men have always had a problem with her. And figuring out why is a fun sociocultural exercise. The mainstream argument barely holds in isolated terms, but then in relative terms it shatters, especially when the benchmark is Madonna or Whitney. Are they too not "mainstream"? Being at the centre top of the pop culture attention span has always been Madonna's target. Whitney stayed in MOR AC much longer from her first to last album. The "reversal" of Mariah's reputation is entirely credited to the changing demographics of music critics in a poptimist era while the Mariah generation is still tainted by those early reviews. Ariana Grande is someone who has benefit from this change, for example, her last album has a higher metacritic score than any Mariah album. Listening to that Ariana album just reinforces how much of a progeny she is of the very same sound Mariah was criticized for. Thinking about generational bias I think brings me a little closer to a satisfying answer. Whitney and Janet snuck in just in time before the rock critical establishment evolved into the crabby old men's club hardened with the "music was better in my day" perspective; which is ironically the same way the Sinatra generation treated rock. She's considered a peer of the Reagan era superstars because her popularity allowed her to sit at that same table, in fact she steamrolled right past a few of them within a few short years, even though she's much younger and debuted much later. Musically she's closer to what the Aaliyah and Brandy generation were doing. But again, there are traits of her having peddled in both previous and newer musical outputs. Also I guess that even lay people are having trouble interpreting her consistently because why do I see some proselytizing her as a Christmas one hit wonder, when she literally has had more hits than any other solo artist in history lol. Just the same there are spokespeople for collective memory arbitrating classics and non classics, when her granular catalogue has arguably done better through the evolving phases of the music industry, from physical to digital to streaming. Ex: number of tracks with 100 million+ streams on Spotify: Madonna: 14 Whitney: 12 Janet: 4 Mariah: 24 (20 are non-Christmas related for what it's worth) | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:54am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, willie wrote: | |
| richie, Could you explain more? I do not understand what you mean sorry. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:52am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, willie wrote: | |
| Honestly speaking, Sinead is way less influential than Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed, Janis Joplin, Nina Simone, Grateful Dead, Roxy Music, T. Rex, Patti Smith, Kate Bush... She is definitely on a lower level than these acts. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:52am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, willie wrote: | |
| What about the Monkees? If it is possible that this band will be nominated and inducted in the next year. After foreigner and peter frampton, the monkees could be the next, who was blacklisted in Jann Wenner era. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:42am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Timothy Pernell wrote: | |
| Mat r, I can see why he would think that. Some of Mariah's songs do give off that impression (bubblegum pop). Some people even thought she regressed in her sound at a certain point to keep up with the younger acts in the industry. Like she added choreography to her act in the late 90s and we know that was not how she started out. Plus the "plastic" allegations definitely followed her like a virus. She never quite beat those allegations though I don't think she's plastic per se. But I can see why that voter may feel the way he do and why he felt MJB was more "authentic". That may not have been everyone's belief about Mariah but I think the majority do think this. The Christmas song being popular also went against her in the fact, like the dude in the chat pointed out, no other hit she had was more important than that one and if it's an opinion shared by those who voted Mary and Cher over her, then OUCH. That said, I still think she has a chance entering but we're just gonna have to wait and see if they do. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 02:01am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Elle Dee wrote: | |
| mat r On Sinead - Tell that old white rock guy that if Sinead doesn't deserve to get in because of having one major hit song in America, then Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed, Janis Joplin, Nina Simone, Grateful Dead, Roxy Music, T. Rex, Patti Smith, Kate Bush don't deserve to get in because they all qualify as "one-hit wonders" in America. Obviously, I don't view them as one-hit wonders, especially Nina, Kate, Roxy, and Rex. They're too important to be labeled as one-hit wonders. Same goes with Sinead. I'm sick and tired of the lame, bs contradictory from idiots who would try to find ridiculous reasons why Sinead shouldn't be in the hall. If The Cranberries, Sarah McLachlan, Alanis, and Fiona get inducted one day, it would be stupid to leave Sinead out because she's a major influence to them. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 00:40am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Elle Dee wrote: | |
| mat r On Sinead - Tell that white rock guy that if Sinead doesn't deserve to get in because of having one major hit song in America, then Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed, Janis Joplin, Nina Simone, Grateful Dead, Roxy Music, T. Rex, Patti Smith, Kate Bush don't deserve to get in because they all qualify as "one-hit wonders" in America. Obviously, I don't view them as one-hit wonders, especially Nina, Kate, Roxy, and Rex. They're too important to be labeled as one-hit wonders. Same goes with Sinead. I'm sick and tired of the lame, bs contradictory from idiots who would try to find ridiculous reasons why Sinead shouldn't be in the hall. If Alanis and Fiona get inducted one day, it would be stupid to leave Sinead out because she's a major influence to them. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 00:36am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, willie wrote: | |
| richie, Could you explain more? I do not understand what you mean sorry. | |
| Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 23:55pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| willie, It was from the guy that I not only unfollowed, but also ignored on the Steve Hoffman forums as well. What do you think?. | |
| Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 23:32pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| willie, It was the guy that I not only unfollowed but also ignored on the Steve Hoffman forums as well. What do you think?. | |
| Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 23:22pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, willie wrote: | |
| read on steve hoffman forum Someone said Mariah Carey personally rejected the award in order to giving Mary J Blige full light. Is that true? | |
| Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 23:17pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, willie wrote: | |
| No matter how Mariah Carey's fans defend her, it doesn't change the perception that many voters have of her. She is not as respected as her fans might think. Moreover, many of her so-called contributions, such as integrating hip-hop elements, are viewed as trends that only became popular in recent years. Many voters might not understand the recent "reversal" in Mariah's reputation, similar to their confusion over why Taylor Swift consistently receives positive reviews. Mariah Carey herself is considered more mainstream and not particularly innovative or artistically strong, so she does not receive the level of respect her fans might expect. Indeed, in the eyes of many voters, she may align more with Celine Dion rather than with artists like Madonna or Whitney Houston. Additionally, Mariah has influenced younger, more mainstream artists, whereas Mary J. Blige has had a greater impact on more "cool" musicians. | |
| Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 22:55pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Jostie wrote: | |
| A really sad, sad class. Wow, let anybody in. | |
| Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 22:25pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Mat r wrote: | |
| Follower I've mentioned him before. Won't name him but he's an old white rock musician (not a singer) who was inducted ages ago. He gives his ballot away to family members to fill in for him. I think he lives in New York but he's possibly in Newark. I talked with him last year and he.just wants ELP and Tommy James nominated (but now seems to really want Carmine Appice and Randy Bachman to get in also). I texted him in Thursday and he said we could talk and we talked a bit about the class. | |
| Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 22:05pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Follower wrote: | |
| Mat r, Who is this person? | |
| Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 21:55pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Mat r wrote: | |
| To elaborate on the inductee thoughts about Mariah from the chat - I don't think he sees her as AC or RnB. He seems to see her as bubblegum pop. - he singled out "all I want for Christmas" as the first song he thinks of when he hears her name and it's annoying. - he sees Beyonce and Britney as similar acts and also annoying. Sees gaga as different more in line with Madonna, doesn't know taylor that well - doesn't think any of her hits matter aside from the Christmas one - doesn't think she's as glamourous/stylish as cher, Mary J, and sade. Think Mariah looks like plastic Hope that's helpful | |
| Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 21:49pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| ChrisD, Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2024 (Mary J. Blige, Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & The Gang, Ozzy Osbourne, A Tribe Called Quest, Jimmy Buffett, MC5, Dionne Warwick, Alexis Korner, John Mayall and Big Mama Thornton) next year for 2025?. | |
| Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 21:32pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote: | |
| @Timothy Pernell: Well there's some cognitive dissonance there but most of your points circle back to my observation that Chris Molanphy and the like are systematically weighing one person's weakness (ie. AC ballads that make up one third of her total career) against all other women's strengths, and even giving some the benefit of the doubt. For all those who see "girl boss hip hop Mary J Blige", there's also the fact that she's chronically off key with limited range; "feminist rocker Sinead" is a time-stamped one hit wonder; "diva with underrated adventurous catalogue Cher" is an historical trend hopper with no real musicianship; "seductive smooth Sade" is musically limited to Quiet Storm which is just black AC. Musically we're probably beyond deliberation on whether she's good or bad. The talent is there, the impact is there. They see it, but they choose to ignore it, and my question was "why". THAT is what I find most fascinating about the Mariah situation. Because there are predecessors who have had less qualifiers (less talent, musical impact, career longevity, commercial success) who haven't faced a similar challenge. And all roads are pointing to successors who've benefit from the Mariah sonic legacy and won't face the same challenge either. | |
| Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 21:18pm | |
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