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| About the 2024 Inductees, Paul in KY wrote: | |
| K-Dawg, The Monkees had a Broadcasting System working with them and on behalf of them. They had Neil Diamond and others writing their songs. The guys & gals in bands that didn't have that kind of help don't like or respect that (in terms of being in Hall). | |
| Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 05:31am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Follower wrote: | |
| I remember someone noting the members of USA for Africa/We Are The World that are in the Hall of Fame. How about I do that now with an update? USA For Africa members in the Hall of Fame: 01. Quincy Jones 02. Ray Charles 03. Smokey Robinson 04. Stevie Wonder 05. Diana Ross 06. Michael Jackson 07. Tito Jackson 08. Marlon Jackson 09. Jackie Jackson 10. Tina Turner 11. Bruce Springsteen 12. Billy Joel 13. Daryl Hall and John Oates 14. Lindsey Buckingham 15. Bob Dylan 16. Paul Simon 17. Steve Perry 18. Harry Belafonte 19. Lionel Richie 20. Willie Nelson 21. Dionne Warwick USA For Africa members NOT in the Hall: 01. Kenny Rogers 02. Kenny Loggins 03. Huey Lewis and the News 04. Cyndi Lauper 05. Kim Carnes 06. Al Jarreau 07. James Ingram 08. Jeffrey Osbourne 09. The Pointer Sisters 10. LaToya Jackson 11. Randy Jackson 12. Sheila E. 13. Bette Midler 14. Bob Geldof 15. Waylon Jennings 16. Dan Akroyd | |
| Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 05:08am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Roy wrote: | |
| 21st Century Artists Become Eligible for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame next year!! | |
| Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 04:59am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Roy wrote: | |
| THE 2025 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES Ben E. King Mary Wells The Marvelettes Diana Ross Chubby Checker Judy Collins Peter, Paul & Mary The Kingston Trio Jan & Dean The Monkees The Spencer Davis Group Blood, Sweat & Tears Emerson, Lake & Palmer Jethro Tull King Crimson Commodores Phil Collins Joe Cocker | |
| Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 04:52am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, GuestG wrote: | |
| People finding out the insiders club is in fact the insiders club. I mean how else did you all expect people like Sheryl Crow, Dr John and Peter Frampton to immediately get inducted when brought up but outsiders like Kraftwerk, Dianne Warwick, Judas Preist, MC5 with better resumes could never get the amount of inductions needed? This is pretty clear indication, the voter base has to be an insane percentage of boomers Been rumored for years so not surprising and even expected, I think part of my interest is how bizarrely it's ran like this so you root for underdogs. It just makes it funnier with how most young people don't give a shit or are just looking into this hall as a sort of interesting circus | |
| Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 03:53am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, chasingwildcat wrote: | |
| will m This further shows that the Rock Hall is in a vicious cycle, becoming a game for insiders to entertain themselves. Outsiders, even those who are inductees, are much less likely to vote than insiders. As a result, their voting rights are also stripped away. This leads to an increasingly higher proportion of votes coming from insiders. I also think this is definitely a case of discrimination. For instance, Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel—though it's unthinkable because they are the most enthusiastic and control the Rock Hall—I believe that even if they didn't vote for ten years, they would still 10000% get votes. Whereas other less known or outsider inductees might have their voting rights stripped away. Even more conspiratorially, one could suspect that the 'not voting for two consecutive years' rule is just an excuse for the Rock Hall to strip outsiders of their voting rights. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 23:16pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| Power, Mat R, Elle Dee, Plebeian, Will M, K-Dawg, Timothy Pernell and others, What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:59pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote: | |
| @Timothy Pernell: I would also add that having Clive Davis - the industry heavyweight that he still is with his glamorous pre-Grammy party et al - as an internal advocate most assuredly helped Whitney's chances as well. Neither Mariah nor Janet has/had that same advantage, which is why they had a harder time on their first ballot appearance. But there is no question about it that Whitney was more of the industry darling, and for a while was the North Star for Black music, ambition and representation, a position stripped of Diana Ross the moment the WH debut album became a success; but one that came with certain pressures she obviously couldn't handle. Now there is Beyonce who owns that title and has wielded it to her advantage into her forties in a way that neither Whitney nor Diana nor MJ never could. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:27pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| Will M This is just too crazy. It's hard to believe. Would the Rock Hall do this to Paul McCartney, Springsteen, Stevie Wonder? I think this is discrimination. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:22pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, power wrote: | |
| No, that's not the issue. Cher was also considered a lock, so why isn't there a supposed issue where voters, thinking she's a lock, don't vote for her and instead give their votes to someone else? I think it's more that voters just aren't that fond of Mariah Carey. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:19pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Will m wrote: | |
| The rock hall news from FRL is insane Completely changes how we view the voting body, imagine loads of classic rockers literally can't vote for whatever reason | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 21:04pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, JE wrote: | |
| The possible ballot for next year's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions. Returning: Mariah Carey Iron Maiden Joy Division/New Order Lenny Kravitz Cyndi Lauper The Replacements New: Alice in Chains Bjork Coldplay Daft Punk Melissa Etheridge John Mayer OutKast Diana Ross Snoop Dogg Possible contenders for side categories. Musical Influence: John Coltrane, Ella Fitzgerald, Dick Dale Musical Excellence: Devo, Fela Kuti, New York Dolls, Warren Zevon Ahmet Ertugun Award: Estelle Axton | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 20:45pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, RG wrote: | |
| Richie, Bad Company Coldplay Cyndi Lauper Diana Ross Joy Division/New Order Outkast Soundgarden White Stripes (if 8) | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 20:02pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| RG, Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Bad Company, Tracy Chapman, Coldplay, Lauryn Hill, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, OutKast, Pixies, The Pointer Sisters, Diana Ross, Soundgarden, War and The White Stripes). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 18:31pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| RG, Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Bad Company, Tracy Chapman, Coldplay, Lauryn Hill, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, OutKast, Pixies, The Pointer Sisters, Diana Ross, Soundgarden, War and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 17:57pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, RG wrote: | |
| Initial 2025 Predictions: Returning: Cyndi Lauper Joy Division/New Order Motorhead Soundgarden War The White Stripes New: Alanis Morrissette Bad Company Coldplay Diana Ross Lauryn Hill Outkast Pixies The Pointer Sisters Tracy Chapman | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 17:38pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| lc, What were the official final voting results for each of the 2024 nominees?. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 16:51pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Ic wrote: | |
| Someone posted on Facebook, that everyone assumed Mariah Carey had the votes. So many voters felt they would use their vote to help someone else. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 16:46pm | |
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| About Taylor Swift, Barry wrote: | |
| Like her or not this is the surest of sure things. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 15:49pm | |
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| About Ozzy Osbourne, Rachel K. wrote: | |
| Teresa said it best. RNRHF doesn't know what they are doing. Shitshow. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 15:20pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Timothy Pernell wrote: | |
| ChrisD, Willie, I think one of the main reasons for Whitney getting in easier than Mariah may have to do with two things: one was the obvious influence Whitney had in the black female artists that came after her either as a black woman or through her musical choices and two, Whitney was far less polarized than Mariah. Someone did suggest that Mariah may still have haters inside the industry that was against her nomination though it was approved. Plus, having All I Want for Christmas is You being her signature song probably hurt Mariah's chances even more so. Whitney easily has like five definitive songs in her catalog - How Will I Know, Greatest Love of All, I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me), I Will Always Love You, I Have Nothing - whereas it's tougher for Mariah outside AIWFCIY. Plus Mariah is just now starting to get a reappraisal that Whitney got after her death. Plus Mariah was never Brandy or Aaliyah's peer. She was MJB's. Janet, Madonna and Whitney were peers (1980s) so Mariah was definitely after them. It'll take Mariah maybe one or two more nominations before she's clear. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 15:07pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Greg F wrote: | |
| Richie I don't have any early predictions at this time. I'll post some when I think of some. Please don't constantly ask me. I'll post them when I'm ready. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 14:01pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, richie wrote: | |
| Power, Mat R, Elle Dee, Plebeian, RG, Greg F, Will M and others, What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 13:29pm | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, K-Dawg wrote: | |
| why do you say as such on the Monkees, Paul? | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 10:05am | |
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| About Kool and the Gang, Bill G wrote: | |
| HERE WE GO AGAIN…. Inducting a Black group…the MAJORITY of whose members are DEAD… So that only TWO new members of Color are added to the Voting Body… And The HoF STILL thinks that people are DUMB or NAIVE as to what's REALLY going on. Only ONE of THE COMMODORES got inducted. RICHIE. Only ONE member of RUFUS got inducted. CHAKA Only ONE,maybe TWO of THE SPINNERS got in…HENRY and JOHN .HENRY DIES ONE MONTH LATER… While the REST of the members of these groups are IGNORED or DEAD.. …And so, the DECEPTION goes on. Fewer Black Voters means less Black representation in the Voting Body… To INDUCT OTHER BLACK ARTISTS IN… Thus the DISPARITY and DECEPTION CONTINUES. And Black artists continue to get SHORT SHRIFT. DONNA SUMMER was NOMINATED FOUR TIMES: 2008, 2010,2011,&2012… With NO INDUCTION. Then she DIED… And THEN they inducted her. Number added to VOTING BODY..ZERO. SMOKEY was inducted ALONE in 1987…while the REST of THE MIRACLES were IGNORED… Then the HoF WAITED: FIVE YEARS…TEN YEARS TWENTY YEARS… 25 YEARS!! In the INTERIM, RONNIE WHITE DIED…MARV TARPLIN DIED…and BOBBY ROGERS was NEAR DEATH. ONLY CLAUDETTE and PETE were LEFT… and THEN, MOTOWN'S Legendary First Group was FINALLY INDUCTED. Then PETE DIED.. Only SMOKEY and CLAUDETTE were LEFT. ONLY TWO PEOPLE added to the VOTING BODY… And SO…The GAME GOES ON.. BIG MAMA THORNTON was inducted this year. She's DEAD. KOOL & THE GANG got in…MOST are DEAD. JAMES BROWN got in the FIRST YEAR…THE FAMOUS FLAMES were SNUBBED… 26 YEARS GO BY… THE FAMOUS FLAMES are FINALLY INDUCTED in 2012. BOBBY BYRD, JOHNNY TERRY,and LLOYD STALLWORTH are DEAD…Only BOBBY BENNETT is LEFT…Then THE FAMOUS FLAMES finally GET IN.BOBBY DIES 8 MONTHS LATER…NOBODY added to the VOTING BODY. DO…YOU…SEE…A…PATTERN…HERE ?? | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 07:28am | |
| Leave your own comment about Kool and the Gang here. | |
| About the 2024 Inductees, Paul in KY wrote: | |
| The Monkees will never be inducted. Gram Parsons will be when everyone in Hall who actually knew and/or met Gram Parsons is dead and Motley Crue will be inducted once all band members are dead. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 07:26am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote: | |
| @willie: You don't…you don't actually believe that do you? Well if you do then you're not a serious enough person to debate with. The thing is, remember how that the anonymous voter in 2020 likened Whitney to Streisand and Julio Iglesias, dismissed her music as schlock, but the Hall voted her in anyway? And again, the majority of her recorded music is sonically closer to Streisand and Celine, but she eclipsed the canonical class of white MOR singers because of her direct and explicit lineage to the black musical traditions, which she showed more in her live performance than in her recorded music. Like Diane Warren is a looming presence on most of her albums. And actually many would argue that Whitney is 50% Aretha and 50% Streisand. So you're pitting Swiss cheese against cheddar cheese. Also why are we continuing to use Whitney as a benchmark when you're just proving my point that there are unchecked biases against Mariah that are still unidentified and unidentifiable. I literally mentioned multiple times that Chris Molanphy specifically, intentionally, strategically, systematically made his ballot choices according to tokenized criteria so he wouldn't have to vote for Mariah. He said (I'm paraphrasing): "how can I make my ballot choices around Mariah in a way that doesn't make me look like a racist or misogynist." So I repeat, my points and curiosities are beyond the capacity of this forum? | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:42am | |
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| About King Crimson, Roy wrote: | |
| Foreigner is in, King Crimson and Jethro Tull are next! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:27am | |
| Leave your own comment about King Crimson here. | |
| About Jethro Tull, Roy wrote: | |
| Foreigner is in, King Crimson and Jethro Tull are next! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:25am | |
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| About Foreigner, Roy wrote: | |
| Foreigner is in, King Crimson and Jethro Tull are next! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:21am | |
| Leave your own comment about Foreigner here. | |
| About the 2024 Inductees, Elle Dee wrote: | |
| willie I disagree. Sinéad was highly influential among female singer/songwriters in alt-rock. I placed her in the same category as Kate Bush because they paved the way for the likes of Tori, PJ, Dolores, Liz, Sarah, Alanis, Fiona. There's a reason why you would see her albums "The Lion and the Cobra" and "I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got" on lists of the best albums of all time because she was an artist who was way ahead of time with her look, sound, and dark confessional songwriting (who was singing about being a survivor of child abuse in 1987 and suffering three miscarriages in 1990?). She was someone who women like Liz, Tori, Sarah, Alanis, Fiona look up to. She was deified by women in music as an iconic force of nature in her music and attitude. Sure her mainstream American popularity (1987-1992) was brief, but her influence on the women who came after her shouldn't be ignored just because she had one American hit. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:07am | |
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| About The Commodores, Roy wrote: | |
| Kool & the Gang is in, Commodores are next!!! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:43am | |
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| About Kool and the Gang, Roy wrote: | |
| Robert Bell and J.T. Taylor are the only surviving members of Kool & the Gang being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Both of them will be at the ceremony, and both can still perform! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:38am | |
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| About Kool and the Gang, Roy wrote: | |
| The Commodores are next! | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:35am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, Roy wrote: | |
| 7 horn players being inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame this year! That's the most ever! All coming from Kool & the Gang, Foreigner, and Dave Matthews Band. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:32am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, willie wrote: | |
| No, Whitney Houston, even if she were nominated this year, would easily be inducted. Meanwhile, Mariah Carey did not even make it into the top half of the voting results. Mariah Carey's music is quite cheesy, and she mainly influences other cheesy artists. That's why voters have a bias against her. Don't blame her lack of success on discrimination by white men, Whitney doesn't face that issue. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:30am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, ChrisD wrote: | |
| @Willie: So I guess my question is larger than this forum. Because I see the contradictions in your logic as much as I did in Chris Molanphy's and Roy Trakin's. I've been a Mariah fan for many years, more so on the mid-to-high range considering how violently off the scale committed many of her fans can be (I'll watch a YouTube interview from time to time if the algorithm suggests, but still not entirely apprised of her deeper lore) and even I know that straight old white men have always had a problem with her. And figuring out why is a fun sociocultural exercise. The mainstream argument barely holds in isolated terms, but then in relative terms it shatters, especially when the benchmark is Madonna or Whitney. Are they too not "mainstream"? Being at the centre top of the pop culture attention span has always been Madonna's target. Whitney stayed in MOR AC much longer from her first to last album. The "reversal" of Mariah's reputation is entirely credited to the changing demographics of music critics in a poptimist era while the Mariah generation is still tainted by those early reviews. Ariana Grande is someone who has benefit from this change, for example, her last album has a higher metacritic score than any Mariah album. Listening to that Ariana album just reinforces how much of a progeny she is of the very same sound Mariah was criticized for. Thinking about generational bias I think brings me a little closer to a satisfying answer. Whitney and Janet snuck in just in time before the rock critical establishment evolved into the crabby old men's club hardened with the "music was better in my day" perspective; which is ironically the same way the Sinatra generation treated rock. She's considered a peer of the Reagan era superstars because her popularity allowed her to sit at that same table, in fact she steamrolled right past a few of them within a few short years, even though she's much younger and debuted much later. Musically she's closer to what the Aaliyah and Brandy generation were doing. But again, there are traits of her having peddled in both previous and newer musical outputs. Also I guess that even lay people are having trouble interpreting her consistently because why do I see some proselytizing her as a Christmas one hit wonder, when she literally has had more hits than any other solo artist in history lol. Just the same there are spokespeople for collective memory arbitrating classics and non classics, when her granular catalogue has arguably done better through the evolving phases of the music industry, from physical to digital to streaming. Ex: number of tracks with 100 million+ streams on Spotify: Madonna: 14 Whitney: 12 Janet: 4 Mariah: 24 (20 are non-Christmas related for what it's worth) | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:54am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, willie wrote: | |
| richie, Could you explain more? I do not understand what you mean sorry. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:52am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, willie wrote: | |
| Honestly speaking, Sinead is way less influential than Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed, Janis Joplin, Nina Simone, Grateful Dead, Roxy Music, T. Rex, Patti Smith, Kate Bush... She is definitely on a lower level than these acts. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:52am | |
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| About the 2024 Inductees, willie wrote: | |
| What about the Monkees? If it is possible that this band will be nominated and inducted in the next year. After foreigner and peter frampton, the monkees could be the next, who was blacklisted in Jann Wenner era. | |
| Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:42am | |
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