Future Rock Legends

I PREDICTED NORMAN WHITFIELD

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 19:44pm

DMB got in is crazyyyyy

only one vote and it was fan vote. definitely pulled some weight I think

and no Mariah??? I have been vindicated.

FINALLY MC5 and buffet to??????? deaths really make an impact unless you're sinead

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 19:46pm

Alright now let's see the reactions

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 19:54pm

I knew my Instagram sleuthing will work out well.

Can I kick it? Yes I can.

Congrats to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees A Tribe Called Quest.

Posted by John R.C. on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 19:54pm

Ultimately what's cool about this is it doesn't throw any genre under the bus like we thought it could

Ozzy means metal/hard rock can get in with the right artists

ATCQ means rap can get inducted based on critical success and influence vs just big hit-making name

DMB means alternative, even those people give no shot, can get a sincere shot at getting in

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 19:54pm

I only predicted 7; got 5 of them right.

I also predicted MC5 as Musical Influence; but they got Excellence instead.

Extremely disappointed that they still didn't induct The Wailers vis Musical Excellence. This really needs to happen while at least some of the band are still alive to receive the award. They've been starting to die off in recent years.

Didn't predict DMB; but I'm thrilled because I'm a huge fan.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 19:56pm

I only predicted 7; got 5 of them right.

I also predicted MC5 as Musical Influence; but they got Excellence instead.

Extremely disappointed that they still didn't induct The Wailers vis Musical Excellence. This really needs to happen while at least some of the band are still alive to receive the award. They've been starting to die off in recent years.

Didn't predict DMB; but I'm thrilled because I'm a huge fan.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 19:56pm

We will have al least 7 performer inductees, probably 8-9 in the next few years, which is a good thing.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 19:58pm

and EIGHT PERFORMER INDCUTEEES LETS GOOOOOOOO

Posted by willm on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:00pm

Alexis Korner, John Mayall are all musicians only making success in UK

Which is also a good thing

And it means that probably more UK musicians, will probably get inducted by MI or ME route

I start to believe the smiths will be inducted, even maybe the jam, the stone roses, blur, pulp

Also, Dionne Warwick is inducted by ME using only two nominations

It means that the minimum threshold for musical excellence is 2 nominations, not 3. It's possible that next year we could see bands like Iron Maiden, Jane's Addiction, and The Smiths being directly selected for musical excellence.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:04pm

The big question now is: Will Cher Show up or will she pull a Kate Bush???

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:07pm

I just counted, theres THIRTY NINE inductess (subject to change if barret strong or members of Kool/foreigner are added) that's our biggest inductee list since 2012

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:07pm

unless cher says anything about her induction (I doubt) shes not showing. shes also busy with trying to put a conservatorship over her son w Gregg allman

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:09pm

Dionne Warwick getting in after two nominations (same as Link Wray) is disappointing and likely only disappointing thing here, it shouldn't be a two and your done while others get like 5 chances. They need a consistent final amount to be nominated. 3 or 5 just make it consistent

Also anyone surprised they didn't try Jimmy Buffett in main category and directly side categorized him? I'm certain he would have made it in within 2 nominations

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:10pm

I feel like Alexis Korner is setting up for a Free/Bad Company nomination in 2025

Posted by Alec Tess on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:11pm

I am a little suprised that Lenny does not make it. He seems to fit the model of FYN.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:12pm

Alec Tess

Alexis Korner and John Mayall have no success in US and they are mainly UK acts.

Are they supported by Little Steven or other people who are willing to support brits.

If it is the latter, we can see likes of the Jam, the Smiths, Blur and maybe even Pulp inducted in side category soon.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:16pm

So this class kind proves that rock especially classic rock isn't dead at the hall.

Also people are pissed about sineah and Mariah lol

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:16pm

we mentioned that Lenny checked off many boxes, maybe that was a detriment to him. they could have guitar hero they chose frampton. they wanted 90s rock they went DMB. they wanted black rnb tinged they went Mary J. general iconicity they went Ozzy and cher. massive hits they went foreigner.

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:16pm

I'm sorry I'm still cracking up hearing Ryan Seacrest talking about MC5 on national television

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:18pm

Also, I think musical excellence is used to induct producers and songwriters and non-performers is only used to induct industry people now.

By previous definition, Norman should be inducted as non-performers.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:20pm

Inducting Jimmy Buffett directly into musical excellence makes no sense. He should at least be nominated in the performer category. Direct induction seems chaotic.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:23pm

All Fan Vote ballot artists got inducted except for Lenny Kravitz. ATCQ and MJB are the two not on that ballot being inducted

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:27pm

Well I feel like Oasis will be like Radiohead and get in after 2 tries in 2025 unless someone like Coldplay is on the ballot so Blur might have to wait a bit

Ozzy and Dionne getting in should both lead to Diana Ross being nominated by the way

Posted by Alec Tess on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:27pm

No Mariah is very disapponting. There are few artists more deserving and she has all the requirements the past inductees have. I was hoping they would induct her and get her out the way and keep it pushing but having her return is only a sign that she is gonna struggle more. Oh well, here's hope to 2025.

As for Mary and Cher, im surprised it was that female combo but not upset. Both are well deserving, especially Cher for her longevity and Mary for her sheer musical impact in the last four decades.

Them shoving Dionne in the side category is just wrong, but its whatever.

Posted by ABJ on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:29pm

Almost all white classic rock and classic rock related acts on the ballot, are inducted.

And DMB I think get many industry votes at this time. Mat R is right

I think Coldplay will be nominated in 25 and Oasis will have to sit a year and be nominated in 26. It will be ridiculous that Coldplay will be inducted before Oasis if this is the case

May see likes of Free/Bad Company, Boston, Jethro Tull, Toto, Styx in next year.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:32pm

It's not even the end of the year and I'm already predicting the 2025 nominees:

Tracy Chapman
Mariah Carey
OutKast
Oasis
Soundgarden
Sade
Patti LaBelle
Diana Ross
Warren Zevon
Cyndi Lauper
Lenny Kravitz
No Doubt
Salt-N-Pepa
Iron Maiden
Joy Division / New Order
Melissa Etheridge

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:32pm

Most surprised that that all three classic rock acts made it in. Figured at least one would be left out, most likely Frampton.

Happiest about Big Mama Thornton, who we all have pushed for for many years, Tribe, who's probably the most deserving act on the list, and DMB, who's my favorite of this year's noms.

Most disappointed that Sinead didn't make it. I was really hoping. Also disappointed Jane's Addiction missed out, but I didn't really expect them to get inducted this year. Eventually though.

Also, that's the first time I've watched American Idol in well over a decade. I do not feel like I have been missing anything. And so predictable that with music from all of the inductees to choose from, three did songs from Whitney Houston (maybe more. I didn't stay to watch the whole thing). Yawn!

Posted by Michael W. on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:34pm

mat r

I wouldn't exactly say that I'm pissed. I'm disappointed that both Mariah and Sinead didn't get in. They both deserve to get in and hopefully they will one day when the dust settles in. Honestly, Sinead wouldn't want this even if she were alive. But I think she deserves to get in simply for being highly influential among a crop of 90s alternative female singer/songwriters. It's a bummer that alternative rock is non-existent in this class. I wouldn't exactly classify DMB as alternative rock, but more AAA like Sheryl.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:37pm

I'm actually quite glad that Mary and Cher made it over Mariah, as I feel they are both greater, more complete artists. I know Mariah will eventually be inducted simply because of the sheer number of hits she's generated, but it's gratifying to see two more well-rounded artists get the nod.

Posted by Michael W. on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:39pm

Except for Tribe, Mary J Blige, and DMB (their sound also is very similar with classic rock), the preferences of the inductees are very boomer-oriented.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:45pm

I hope Weird Al gets inducted next year, either (preferably) as a performer or for Musical Excellence.

Posted by Coreyrocks on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:46pm

its an extremely old school class, even down to the special categories.

between oasis, Lenny, Janes, Sinead, Sade, and Mariah, all debuted 80s or later
Sade 84
Sinead/Janes 87
Lenny 89
Mariah 90
Oasis 94

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:48pm

I forgot EBAR, theyre 87 as well. tough year for 87 acts

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:50pm

The only two things that are maddening about this induction are Warwick and Buffett as side category. Warwick feels like trying to get someone in while alive and, more negatively, a futile attempt to try and prop up the female inductee numbers since only two made it in via main category. Buffett, absolutely no idea.

Otherwise the list is very solid this year. Main performer category is a wide variety and I think they all deserve it (DMB has the fans and Frampton is an journeyman story that doesn't get main rock hall induction credit often). Side category is also very solid outside those two who should have been main, especially MC5 getting their due and BMT being a correction of something that should have happened in the 80s.

Even if just Foreigner, DMB and Frampton show up they will sell the absolute hell out of that induction ceremony

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:52pm

Definite showing that we're still in the boomer era and are only slowly getting newer acts in (like Tribe/MJB) as all older acts immediately get inducted and only a few stray newer acts are, and they likely need inductions with solely just new acts

For those who didn't make it:
Oasis, Lenny, Sade, and Mariah will eventually make it via performers. This was a tough year with powerhouses and they could have easily made it last year

Jane, Sinead and EB&R are the ones I'd be thinking would eventually be in danger of getting ME, however there's also the chance the can stick in a weaker list and make it to induction, Jane in particular I think could.

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:57pm

quite the list will be interesting to see what Cher does so glad for foreigner and Kool and the Gang

Posted by Dan on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:58pm

My go at my way too early 16 nominees picks for 2025

Returning from 2024
Lenny Kravitz
Mariah Carey
Oasis

Returning from previous years
Warren Zevon (nominated in 2023)
Cyndi Lauper (nominated in 2023)
Iron Maiden (nominated in 2021 and 2023)
Joy Division/New Order (nominated in 2023)
DEVO (Nominated in 2019,2021 and 2022)
Soundgarden (Nominated in 2020 and 2023)

First nominees
Diana Ross
Free/Bad Company
Coldplay
Linkin Park
OutKast
Smashing Pumpkins
Phil Collins

Posted by Alec Tess on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 20:59pm

Shocked to see Mariah didn't make it in but I believe it was due to the combination of voters thinking she was a lock and didn't need her vote as much, and rock purists thinking she's too pop for the hall.

Posted by Ralib on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:04pm

Honorable mention is and I believe the toss up for the final nominee is between Devo and Lauryn Hill

Posted by Alec Tess on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:05pm

Alec Tess,

Personally predicting this year we're see Lenny, Mariah and Sade (instead of Oasis). Think they'll get some flack for only two female inductions so will bring them back for another shot. Plus they are both massive artists ranked by industry as some of the best ever so they'll be a priority until inducted via main route

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:07pm

Congrats to the 2024 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Class. A very eclectic class and I would give it an A definitely. Championed Kool & The Gang induction for many years. Now a reality. Amazing number of Hits they have when you think of Celebration, Fresh, Jungle Boogie, Ladies Night, Misled, Tonight, Too Hot, etc. A Tribe Called Quest finally has broken through. They have been respected in the music industry and have critical acclaim. They have been solid in the voting last few years. Ozzy Osbourne strong heavy metal representation. An icon and legend. Will be playing Bark At The Moon and The Ultimate Sin tonight. Dave Matthews Band I missed on my picks but they are plenty deserving. They had several #1 albums plus an incredible Grateful Dead-like following. Cher is 1 of the bigger snubs we have talked about over the years here on FRL. Incredible longevity stretching from 1963 to now 2024. I read somewhere she sold over 100 million records. Very impressive! Foreigner was 1 of the easier no-brainers for me considering their hot 10 year period. Classic songs like Cold As Ice, Double Vision, I Want To Know What Love Is, Jukebox Hero, Urgent, etc. Foreigner songs continue to be in heavy rotation on Classic Rock stations. I could have waited on Peter Frampton but he's very respected in the music industry. Frampton Comes Alive! 1 of the most successful Live Albums and he was also 1 of the pioneers using the squawk box thing.
It's also an intelligent work with the class considering selling the venue out. DMB has plenty of loyal fans. Ozzy is a Metal God and Cher also has her share of devoted fans. Foreigner has plenty of Classic Rock fans. Should be standing room only. The Fire Marshall will probably make a visit. Music Legends like Dionne Warwick & John Mayall have earned Special Awards. Deservedly for both. MC5 most had in their Special Awards as an Influence or Musical Excellence.
Lenny Kravitz & Mariah Carey highlight a possible monster class in 2025. Bad Company, Cyndi Lauper, Diana Ross, Iron Maiden, Soundgarden, Joy Division/New Order, Phil Collins, Smashing Pumpkins, The Bangles, could earn Induction.
Also, the FRL Regulars and Hall Watchers deserve credit. They have continually brought up and nominated excellent artists deserving induction. No doubt, the RRHOF Committee is aware of these sites and videos and it probably helps in the selection. KING

Posted by KING on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:11pm

Why give Jimmy Buffett a side door induction now? Why not put him on the ballot next year?

Posted by xwing1212 on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:13pm

Few thoughts on discussions here:
I don't think Oasis is getting in very easily through the main voters any time soon. Because the biggest block of voters are existing Rock Hall inductees, and Oasis has slagged on so many of those performers over the years, that I really can;t imagine any of them being willing to invite them to their exclusive club.

Cher loves the spotlight. Despite her past statements, I really can't believe she would turn down a chance to perform for a major tv event, as well as a stadium full of fans and fellow artists.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:14pm

Now that Tribe is finally in that clears the few year backlog for rap artists

EB&R might still be a priority but they are sporadically nominated and might even decide to do ME so they may or may not return next year. With Tribe making it in in a monster nomination year they don't have to panic for a big brand name solo act like Snoop or Dre immediately and can fill out some of the other 90s names since they have shots. We can realistically see options like Outkast (who was in consideration for this year but not nominated), De La Soul, Nas, Wu Tang, and Queen Latifah as next up to bat.

Any thoughts?

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:18pm

Early prediction for 2025:

Returning Nominees:
Soundgarden (20, 23)
Joy Division/New Order (23)
Warren Zevon (23)
Cyndi Lauper (23)
the Replacements (14)
Mariah Carey (24)
Iron Maiden (21, 23)
Eric B & Rakim (24)

New Nominees
Coldplay
No Doubt
Luther Vandross
New Edition
Outkast
Melissa Etheridge
Boston

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:19pm

xwing, they had to have one death fairy inductee, and since Sinead didn't get the votes.... j/k

Bizarre, but I'm here for it. I was just scrolling through the Previously Considered list this past week to see if there'd been any new names added since I last checked (I saw two: Coldplay and Ice-T). I recognized the name "Blues Incorporated" but had forgotten literally everything I had ever learned about them. Slightly eerie that Alexis Korner is now getting the nod. But whatever.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:20pm

It's just weird. Why not put him on the ballot next year? He would stand a decent chance of getting in if put up.

Posted by xwing1212 on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:23pm

This appears to be a high Q score class!

What occurs to me is that this this years inductees each have a personal likeability factor to them, with Kool and the Gang, who I would bet got the largest number of votes, maybe being the most likeable act, with the most general goodwill, who made it as performers. And Jimmy Buffett, who I thought was going to be nominated and make it in easily next year as a performer, parlayed his extreme likability into a Musical Excellence entry a year early. And who doesn't like Dionne Warwick?

The artists I voted for repetitively who did not make it in were Oasis, Sinead O'Connor, and Sade. I love the Gallagher brothers, and think an induction will happen for them in the next several years but they are not personally likeable, god love 'em. Also think Sinead belongs in, as well, but she too although extremely talented, was not a likeable personality. Helen Adu has her own thing going on, which is why I voted for her, but her personality is less defined than many of these other artists.

The artists who did not make it, I think had a high enough unlikeability factor that they didn't make it, or were less known to the voting body, which is what I think happened with Eric B and Rakim.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:24pm

2025 predictions

Returning

Mariah Carey
Oasis
Sade
Jane's Addiction
War
Devo
Cyndi Lauper
Iron Maiden

Newcomers

Black Flag
Boston
Pink
Outkast
Ice Cube
Weird Al Yankovic
Phil Collins
Alanis Morissette

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:27pm

Jimmy Buffett will be seen as a mistake ME induction over time because he easily could have cracked getting in via performers but was never given that opportunity

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:30pm

I am still very astonished that Mariah Carey does not make it

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:32pm

Also guys let's call it: ballot tracker is useless

DMB got a single vote this year and they're in

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:38pm

Frampton, foreigner, ozzy, and dmb were ranked between 12th to 16th on the ballot tracker and all got in.

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:42pm

GuestG, I know it's you that's been hacking Richie. You're a very sick person. My son has not made a comment on here since before the Inductions. Alec, XW1212, This is not my son typing It's GuestG. Stay away from my son. Richie's Mom Sheri

Posted by Sheri on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:42pm

mat r,

not completey, tribe and Kool DOMINATED the tracker on a level not seen before, both I had as Locks while many doubted tribe. this really solidifies my trust in it for high scorers only. a poor tracker performqnce wont count you out in my eyes

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:49pm

FRL can check IP ranges to know I'm not "Posiden" aka the fake larper I endlessly mock, nor the 3 or so other names he larps over that I've called out numerous times and openly tried getting this website to ban, nor have I ever posted under the name "Richie". In fact I had to change my name used on this website because the person "Richie" gets involved with tarnished the original name I used before they showed up

Good job trying to fling shit out of nowhere during a big celebratory time for this website. Now back to the celebration.

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:50pm

sheri,

guestg, is a different person from whoever has been manipulating your son. they added an extra letter to prove that it is not them

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:51pm

Mariah Carey is a complete lock for induction next year right? we all agree this is a very radioheadesque situation?

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 21:59pm

Little Steven still has a lot of power.

We will probably see Procol Harum, J Geils Band, Steppenwold inducted in either ME or MI in the next few years.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:00pm

I feel that as long as you have the most nominations on the ballot, you are very likely to be selected. This was the case in 2023 (Kate Bush, RATM, Spinners) and 2024 (ATCQ). Looking ahead to next year, whoever has the most nominations will likely be the candidate with a very high chance of being inducted.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:09pm

Okay first things first: PRAISE THE LORD MARY, DIONNE and BIG MAMA ARE IN!

I get why people are disappointed Dionne got in through the side door but after Chaka's induction through that category, I think they were gonna immediate shoo Dionne in and they did.

Mary J. getting in was right because I feel she was the real innovator of the merging of hip-hop and R&B, plus she has one of the most beloved discographies of any R&B artist, especially with the first five and The Breakthrough.

Big Mama's induction was a LONG TIME coming. She should've gotten in on the first year. Anyway, better late than never.

Lenny's induction chances fell a bit short and that is likely due to the Boomer-heavy list. I was iffy on his chances. That said, I think he'll get on the ballot next year.

No telling what will happen with Mariah and Sade. I imagine they'll take another stab next year but the Hall might think they're not ready yet. They'll bring back Sinead and renominate Cyndi next year is my guess before trying MC/Sade again.

The failure to induct Mariah and Oasis shows that '90s acts are still gonna have it a little bit hard.

That out of the way, this is one of the most satisfying inductee classes I've seen in years. Probably since 2019-2020 (though I loved the classes of 2021, 2022 and 2023). And I'm looking to see a similar class next year. :)

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:10pm

Will m

I would say it's too flawed and inconsistent to be useful

Posted by Mat r on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:11pm

The rap voters have matured significantly. Even with a boomer-dominated ballot like this year, as long as there isn't a rap superstar like Jay-Z or Eminem on the ballot, a group like A Tribe Called Quest can still get inducted, even without a hit single. I think Eric B. & Rakim also have a good chance of being selected in the main performer category. Then, under the right circumstances, Wu-Tang Clan, Salt-N-Pepa, Outkast, Nas, and others could all be FYN. Yes, I think if A Tribe Called Quest hadn't been nominated alongside Eminem and Missy in their first two nominations, they might have been inducted earlier. The rap voters are now solid enough to consistently produce a rap inductee each year, even if that inductee hasn't achieved massive commercial success.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:13pm

Have to say the ballot tracker actually got it a bit right. Kool and Tribe had tons of votes there with Mary and Peter not far behind. DMB was the only one who did the worst that got in because they have friends in high places who dig those guys - and I get why. But yeah, shows you that though it's not always accurate, it can still tell you who gets in and who doesn't.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:14pm

wayyyyyy too early predictions (I'm still going with my theory that the eligibility years were pushed to 30)

New nominees:
Pixies
Outkast
Jethro Tull
bjork (hot take but trust me)
Diana Ross
Tracy chapman
Bryan Adams
patsy cline


returning:
War
Mariah
DEVO
Soundgarden
Cyndi lauper
sting

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:16pm

Oops, I meant to say Ozzy, not Peter lol

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:16pm

I'll predict next year's nominations tomorrow.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:17pm

interesting we had 22 the top 8 (counting priest) inducted
23 only GM out of the top 5 (#1 winner) made it in
24 has all of top 5 plus #7 make it in

kinda a pattern forming... will next year be anti populist??

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:21pm

Scratch that change of plan here is the way too early picks for the 17 nominees for the 2025

Returning from 2024
Lenny Kravitz
Mariah Carey
Oasis

Returning from previous years
Warren Zevon (nominated in 2023)
Cyndi Lauper (nominated in 2023)
Iron Maiden (nominated in 2021 and 2023)
Joy Division/New Order (nominated in 2023)
DEVO (Nominated in 2019,2021 and 2022)
Soundgarden (Nominated in 2020 and 2023)

First time nominees
Diana Ross
Free/Bad Company
Coldplay
Linkin Park
OutKast
Smashing Pumpkins
Lauryn Hill
Phil Collins

Posted by Alec Tess on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:24pm

my rank of each 2024 inductee (that I've heard every album by)

MC5, Foreigner, Buffett, Frampton, Ozzy, Tribe, (all amazing btw)

also adding to my 2017 inductee ranking:
Yes, Pearl Jam, ELO, Journey,

I'll probably deep dive into Madonna Jackson 5 Mj and Janet soon...

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:28pm

New York Dolls are probably going to get inducted in next year via musical excellence.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:30pm

Anybody have a feeling that the only reason why we have an 8 performer class is because Tribe came in 8th place and instead of leaving them off they decided to include them to have a hip-hop group inducted? I mean, if Jane's Addiction came in 8th place, I don't see the Rock Hall extending that courtesy.

Posted by xwing1212 on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:32pm

power,

yes definitely. I'm kinda surprised this year didn't correlate for them considering the scorsesse doc on johnasen. maybe that correlates to a fourth nomination in 25? or an automatic EI.

also very disappointed with the lack of session guys in AME. went full backdoor induction now. at least we see Norman Whitfield (infuriatingly without barret strong). which, on that note, did they exclude him because of the singles category????? what a goddamn mess that as been for the hall oh my lord

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:35pm

xwing,

I had a similar situation in mind regarding DMB where they come in 8th and get the full induction because of their repeat fan vote win

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:36pm

The induction of Alexis Korner and John Mayall is a good sign for British musicians because they primarily influenced the music scene in the UK. Although these two were championed by the staunch advocate Little Steven, it also shows that other members of the nomination committee are more open to British musicians who have not had a large impact in the US. Even for younger bands like The Jam, The Smiths, The Stone Roses, Pulp, Blur, and Buzzcocks, being selected through musical excellence is now a possibility. It seems that the nomination committee members have agreed to choose musicians who have influenced primarily in the UK. This is definitely a good thing.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:36pm

Problem with the ballot tracker is that it's just not getting enough public votes for it to be a great barometer.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:37pm

The induction of Alexis Korner and John Mayall is a positive sign for British musicians, as they primarily influenced the UK music scene with minimal impact on American music. Although these two were favored by Little Steven, a staunch advocate from the boomer-era classic rock scene, this also shows that other members of the nomination committee are becoming more open to British musicians who have not had significant impact in the US. Even for younger bands like The Jam, The Smiths, The Stone Roses, Pulp, Blur, and Buzzcocks, being selected through musical excellence is now a possibility. It seems that the nomination committee members have agreed to select musicians who have primarily influenced the UK. This is definitely a positive development.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:38pm

First class since 2013 not to have anyone with a Diamond album in.

Now how many of these people are dead so I can update my list?

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:39pm

Dave Matthews Band is so weird to me because of how insular their fanbase is. You're either REALLY into them or you don't care for them at all.

Posted by xwing1212 on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:39pm

Damn lol this ceremony is gonna be like twelve hours long. Even though this is a pretty elderly class, almost everyone there is not only alive but likely to show up and give a performance. We love to see it though.

Posted by RG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:40pm

xwing1212,

Honestly no, one thing I brought up that was leading me to think they were going 8 is that aborted Coldplay nomination attempt. Because 8 inductees is half of 16 which is what they are usually going for.

If they made that the cutoff with a reason in mind in regards to who was 8th, which there's no proof of, it didn't have to be Tribe either. DMB could have easily gotten 8th and they made that the cutoff knowing they'd get raged at if they topped fan poll second time but didn't get inducted Or Frampton or Ozzy thinking there's not much time for his induction while they are around.

Posted by GuestG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:40pm

According to my interview with Alan Light, the reason we would be at 8 is because that would be where a logical tiering cutoff would be on the vote totals. He said they do go in with a specific number in mind, but don't like anybody to miss the cut by just a vote or two. They look for logical tiers in the vote results.

Posted by Shrek on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:41pm

interestingly,,, the side categories we normally see used to balancre out a fiaml list. put a soul writer in where there's no soul singer, get a rock session guy where there's no classic rock bands, get funk producers when there's no funk act.

but this year, buffet and mayall only swell the classic rockers, there's no country anything either. Dionne and Whitfield add some soul and mayall/Thornton add the blues. maybe the ticket was balanced enough as is?

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:45pm

in the first sentence I meant to put mc5 instead of mayall

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:48pm

Also congrats to everyone who read the 8 inductees tea leaves, I was dead wrong on that

Posted by RG on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:48pm

Also, now there are two people named Mick Jones in the Hall! (And two people named James Taylor!)

Ok then, here's the class list:

2024: 43 People are inducted! This is the second largest class in Hall history! As for the dead members:

Phife Dawg, Leroi More, Ed Gagliardi, Ian McDonald, Ronald Bell, George Brown, Robert "Spike" Mickens, Claydes "Charles" Smith, Dennis "Dee Tee" Thomas, Ricky Westfield, Jimmy Buffet, Michael Davis, Wayne Kramer, Fred "Sonic" Smith, Rob Tyner, Norman Whitfield, Alexis Korner, and Big Mama Thorton. That's 18/43 dead, making this the deadest class in Hall History! The previous record hold was 1988, with 8 dead members. He we have more than double that! Even if you restrict it to the performer inductees you have 10.

Still more than half of them are alive!.

Living members of classes where a minority, half, or none of the inductees are still alive:

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 5/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 11/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 13/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 11/25 (Al Green, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 19/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2012: 26/70 (Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members of each class where a majority or half of the inductees are alive:

1993: 14/28 (Ginger Baker, Jack Bruce, Tom Fogerty, Ray Manzarek, Jim Morrison, Etta James, Sherman Garnes, Frankie Lymon, Joe Negroni, Ruth Brown, Cynthia Robinson, Dick Clark, Milt Gabler, and Dinah Washington)
1998: 17/30 (Glenn Frey, Randy Meisner, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Christine McVie, Gene Vincint, Lloyd Price, Denny Doherty, Mama Cass Elliot, John Phillips, David Brown, Allan Toussaint, and Jelly Roll Morton) The most alive 20th Century class.
2001: 14/26 (Johnnie Johnson, Jake Carey, Zeke Carey, Johnny Carter, Sollie McElroy, Nate Nelson, Paul Wilson, Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury, Richie Valens, Solomon Burke, and Walter Becker)
2002: 10/20 (Chet Atkins, Gene Pitney, Issac Hayes, Joey Ramone, Johnny Ramone, Dee Dee Ramone, Tommy Ramone, Howie Epstein, Tom Petty, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 16/24 (Benny Benjamin, Floyd Cramer, Steve Douglas, Bon Scott, Malcom Young, Joe Strummer, Bobby Hatfield, and Mo Ostin)
2004: 9/18 (Chuck Barksdale, Johnny Carter, Johnny Funches, Marvin Junior, George Harrison, Prince, Jim Capaldi, Chris Wood, and Dusty Hill)
2005: 11/17 (William Powell, Percy Sledge, Pete Farndon, James Honeyman-Scott, Frank Barsalona, and Seymour Stein.)
2006: 17/28 (Miles Davis, Sid Vicious, everyone from Lynyrd Skynyrd other than Artimus Pyle, and Jerry Moss)
2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2009: 14/21 (Bill Black, DJ Fontana, Bobby Womack, Jeff Beck, Tracy Lord, Cliff Burton, and Jason "Jam-Master Jay" Mizell)
2010: 21/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Cynthia Weil, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 21/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, Eazy-E, and Bert Berns)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 17/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Denny Lane Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 14/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Tina Turner, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton, and Clarence Avant)
2022: 24/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, Harry Belafonte, and Elizabeth Cotten)
2023: 13/21 (George Michael, Everyone from the Spinners other than John Edwards, Don Cornelius, and Link Wray.)
2024: 25/43 (Phife Dawg, Leroi More, Ed Gagliardi, Ian McDonald, Ronald Bell, George Brown, Robert "Spike" Mickens, Claydes "Charles" Smith, Dennis "Dee Tee" Thomas, Ricky Westfield, Jimmy Buffet, Michael Davis, Wayne Kramer, Fred "Sonic" Smith, Rob Tyner, Norman Whitfield, Alexis Korner, and Big Mama Thorton)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:54pm

I'd like to congratulate the nom com successfully sticking it to jann with the foreigner induction. do they keep this up and nominate monkees next year? foreigner started as the wildcard too

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:55pm

After no Classic Rock in the performers category last year, we get two this year and one Classic Rock adjacent act (Ozzy)

Posted by Follower on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 22:58pm

Follower

DMB is also Classic Rock adjacent.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:02pm

Power

New York Dolls,DEVO.Jane's Addiction,The Meters,Iron Maiden and War are the next likely previously nominated acts to either get Musical Exellence or Musical/Early Influence

Posted by Alec Tess on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:05pm

And Eric B and Rakim

Posted by Alec Tess on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:07pm

Alec,

I disagree. I'm extremely confident that war will be nominated next year after Kool occupying their funk slot on the ballot, devo I and Janes I think need better ballots to be inducted. I dont count them out yet

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:18pm

Side bar

The Hall is officially f u c k e d going forward with indie rock (aka the last real rock genre). Couldn't get Beck, White Stripes, and Oasis in on the first try and they're the biggest and couldn't get the Smiths in on two and their foundation. There is no hope in hell for quick entries for either major acts like Pixies, Arcade Fire, Vampire Weekend, or Death Cab for Cutie or for foundational acts like Sonic Youth, Pavement, or Liz Phair. This will be more painful and slower than metal.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:21pm

Soooo much to take in from this year's inductees. Starting off, Peter Frampton is among the least deserving artists and it chills me to the bone the rockists are crowing about him. Hey, let's put Rick Derringer in for "Rock and Roll Hootchie Koo" next.

Most of the list I'm fine with. Glad to see MC5 given their due even though I never mentioned them much as I'm not too famiiar with them past one song. John Mayall is one who I respect a lot who hasn't gotten much fanfare yet. Dionne? Glad to see that debate settled. Jimmy Buffett definitely belongs.

As to the actual voted inductees, I wasn't predicting Mary J., but I totally see where they are going with her. This may close the book on East Coast hip hop largely because Puffy is toxic and tainted. Dave Mathews Band, I REALLY don't see them being more worthy than a dozen other bands of the 90s that are still looking on (Smashing Pumpkins koff). They are a jam band, and open the door for a Phish or Liz Phair. Foreigner, Cher, Ozzy, Kool and the Gang, Tribe--all expected and certainly worthy.

The Hall screwed up with Oasis and most importantly, Mariah Carey. They did virtually the same thing last year with JD/NO and Cyndi Lauper, so right there we have the core for a supreme and very influential class potentially next year. It would've also been nice to see Lenny get in. All in all, apart from Frampton, I am satisfied with this year's class and see it as kind of a 'catch up" as there really weren't any newer than early 90s acts inducted.

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:31pm

mat r,

yea I agree unless we get a ballot where the sole rock acts are indie, then they'll always lose out. even then if you get all indie rock acts on a bill and they could all get scrwed. I think a bill where the only rock names are replacements, pixies, and Janes, then we stand a chance at getting indie bands in. as it stands, ace frehley and ritchie Blackmore dont know any words that rhyme with pavement cause they don't know it exists. gene Simmons knows teenage fanclub exist tho and that's cause he sued them lol

Posted by will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:35pm

Elle Dee,

Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Mariah Carey, Tracy Chapman, Melissa Etheridge, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Lenny Kravitz, Patti LaBelle, Cyndi Lauper, No Doubt, Oasis, OutKast, Diana Ross, Sade, Salt-N-Pepa, Soundgarden and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Alec Tess,

Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Bad Company/Free, Mariah Carey, Coldplay, Phil Collins, Devo, Lauryn Hill, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Lenny Kravitz, Cyndi Lauper, Oasis, OutKast, Diana Ross, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Power,

Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Boston, Mariah Carey, Coldplay, Eric B. & Rakim, Melissa Etheridge, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, New Edition, No Doubt, OutKast, The Replacements, Soundgarden, Luther Vandross and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Mat R,

Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Black Flag, Boston, Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Devo, Ice Cube, Iron Maiden, Jane's Addiction, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Oasis, OutKast, Pink, Sade, War and "Weird Al" Yankovic). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Will M,

Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Bryan Adams, Bjork, Mariah Carey, Tracy Chapman, Patsy Cline, Devo, Jethro Tull, Cyndi Lauper, OutKast, Pixies, Diana Ross, Soundgarden, Sting and War). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:38pm

Im soo for R&B and Hip-Hop legends Mary J. Blige, Dionne Warwick, Kool and the Gang, A Tribe Call Quest made it after they been nominated many times. But Mariah Carey should be there too Lenny Kravitz and Sade too. Its not enough vote. But dont worry, next year We will nominate Mariah and Lenny for 2025. She will be locked to be get inducted. I will nominate like Diana Ross.

Posted by Amie Hampton on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:42pm

K dawg,

I'll agree w you on Lenny, I'm very disappointed he didn't get in. Makes me worried about the future standing of black rock musicians like thin Lizzy bad brains and Love.

Posted by Will m on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:46pm

richie

i'll entertain for a sec: mariah, outkast, cyndi, collins, oasis, war, alanis, boston + devo with ME

will m

yea i think some bigger acts (oasis, beck, stripes, pixies, vampire weekend) might be 2 or 3 even with difficult ballots but you know i don't see any hope in hell for liz phair, even if she's the only 90s rock act or woman rocker on the ballot. if you're an indie act and you've never gone better than gold ballot is gonna be near impossible without like 10 nominations and i don't think they'll give belle and sebastian 2 nominations let alone 10.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:48pm

richie

i'll entertain for a sec: mariah, outkast, cyndi, collins, oasis, war, alanis, boston + devo with ME

will m

yea i think some bigger acts (oasis, beck, stripes, pixies, vampire weekend) might be 2 or 3 even with difficult ballots but you know i don't see any hope in hell for liz phair, even if she's the only 90s rock act or woman rocker on the ballot. if you're an indie act and you've never gone better than gold ballot is gonna be near impossible without like 10 nominations and i don't think they'll give belle and sebastian 2 nominations let alone 10.

Posted by Mat R on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:48pm

Im soo happy for Mary J Blige made it. Mariah Carey will be in the lock next year 2025 and Lenny Kravtiz will be returning. They will get in next year. I will nominate for nominee Patti LaBelle, No Doubt, Diana Ross,

Posted by Amie Hampton on Sunday, 04/21/2024 @ 23:53pm

Ritchie,

War, Mariah, Soundgarden, Jethro Tull, Tracy Chapman, OutKast, Diana Ross, DEVO

Posted by Will m on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 00:17am

Upon checking the Mariah Reddit, they're pretty level headed. A lot of them are upset Mary j went in befire mariah. They're also passionate about Lenny, they were rooting for him as well.

Posted by Will m on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 00:19am

Will m

The fauxmoi (the big celebrity gossip sub) and fantanoforever (Anthony fantano's sub) are talking about it a fair bit

Also saw the punk sub celebrating mc5 getting it

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 00:26am

Will M -

I need to object to you saying Jimmy Buffett adds to the Classic Rock roster and that there's no County music element to this class.

Buffett is much *more* country than he is Classic Rock. He began his career in Nashville playing country and that style stayed very influential to his music.

His legacy of influence is also strongly on modern country. I mean there is some influence elsewhere too. Jack Johnson obviously. Dave Matthews certainly. String Cheese Incident absolutely. But his most visible descendants are folks like Zac Brown, Kenny Chesney, Alan Jackson, etc.

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 00:35am

There is one thing that we all forgot to mention is that this is the first time that we have had 8 Performer inductees in over 20 years (since the 2001 class), so that's historic and exciting at the same time.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 00:35am

I want to say Congrats to this year' s class of inductees!! They are all very deserving.

Can't even say I'm disappointed Mariah wasn't inducted because I feel they put Mary J Blige on the ballot along with Mariah just for this very result. But Mary is an amazing artist so she deserves it so much. Also very happy for Cher and Dionne Warwick too. Hopefully next year for Mariah and Sinead.
.
Diana Ross
Mariah Carey
Gloria Estefan
Sinead O' Connor
Cyndi Lauper
Coldplay
Luther Vandross
The B 52s
Outkast
Joy Division/New Order

I hope at least 50% of these names makes the class next year

Posted by Aria Diamond on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 00:47am

Major revelation from this ballot that clarifies some things for me, especially the Mariah Carey snub.

Popularity really doesn't matter at all. All that matters is whether the insiders like you. I'm not one of those people who make everything a Jann Wenner conspiracy theory; I know he hasn't been involved much in years. But it is clear that the rock "establishment" has a particular kind of taste in the artists it likes and the artists it doesn't, and it doesn't really have much to do with either popularity or critical acclaim or even genre as much as people still argue those are important criteria when they don't seem to be.

If there's somebody the insiders like even if they didn't sell many records (Ramones, Laura Nyro, Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits, etc...) they can get in pretty easily. These acts will usually also be critically acclaimed of course but it's really a small subset of cult artists that the big pop stars and record execs like, and definitely a small sliver of the critically acclaimed artists worthy of nomination. Most indie people were outside of that circle so it makes sense they wouldn't be noticed unless they had a big record executive on their side like Seymour Stein with the Ramones.

If there's somebody the insiders like even if they weren't critically acclaimed they can also get in no sweat. We've seen this repeatedly in recent years, including the Peter Frampton and Foreigner inductions right now.

In general, maybe the best predictor for induction should simply be how much each artist collaborated with other mainstream artists, since that seems to guide you much more than either popularity (Mariah Carey) or critical acclaim (Oasis).

Why Foreigner over Boston (who INVENTED that subgenre of AOR/arena rock/corporate rock, whatever you want to call it)? Because Foreigner had its tentacles all over the rock establishment with their numerous connections all over the place: King Crimson and Mark Ronson and Thomas Dolby and Gary Wright and Junior Walker and Mutt Lange, etc.., etc... Boston were singular artists who did everything by themselves in Tom Scholz's basement and they didn't really ingratiate or hang out or cross over with any of their peers. It has nothing to do with merit exactly; I think Boston is clearly better the band even if they fell off harder, but would they be viewed differently if they had sprinkled their 10 radio songs over 5 albums like Foreigner did instead of 2?

Frampton, same thing. It basically comes down to all the people he collaborated with. Lionel Richie, Sheryl Crow, even Willie Nelson, etc... These artists actually aren't selected for popularity amongst the fans as much as popularity with industry people. Maybe as a result, awards show success should be the ultimate predictor (it sure has seemed to be lately with so many Album of the Year winners getting inducted recently). I fear a Toto nomination.

The artists who seem to struggle invariably are the artists who don't go to industry functions, don't hang out with their peers, etc... Whether they're popular or not doesn't really matter. Radiohead is popular but doesn't hang out at industry galas. Smashing Pumpkins and Oasis were way more popular than many of the '90s acts the industry likes, but enough people hate their leaders' irascible personalities to not want to vote for them, while somebody objectively less popular who the industry likes like Kravitz will have a better shot. Again, Kravitz has tons of crossovers with other insiders. The acts that tend to not do well (and even the genres that tend to not do well: prog, metal, alternative, indie) don't really tend to collaborate as much with people outside those genres. I don't think rap will ever have the same problem to that extent as it is a collaborative medium in general. The only problem there is probably the age of the voters.

Even the new wave acts that got in followed this model: Robert Smith did collaborations and The Cure got in. Dave Stewart's industry respect got the Eurythmics in. The ones who were off by themselves without powerful friends (B-52's, Devo, Joy Division/New Order) don't seem to do as well. You'd think the B-52's would have powerful friends in R.E.M. but they seem to have weirdly lost clout in recent years and I'm not sure why.

If popularity really was the deciding factor, Carey would have gotten in no sweat especially since she did have massive influence, but she was clearly offputting to insiders in a way Whitney Houston wasn't even though Carey was probably objectively more deserving (more popular, more influential, she also wrote her stuff, and her crossovers with rap artists probably broke some ground; even as far as the rockists are concerned, she made that alt album and did those classic rock cover songs). Blige got in instead because she was more liked by peers apparently (and a big hint of course was her making the ballot first), although this could be one where the critical acclaim made up the difference (which I think still occasionally happens). There does seem to be a major distaste towards anything that could qualify as adult contemporary getting inducted, but I'd probably say Whitney is much more defined by her AC work than Mariah is. So ultimately, again it's not really a genre thing. You can be considered off-genre and get inducted if your peers like you. You can be a core artist and even be more popular and never get inducted if they don't.

Carey of course will get in. She does have tons of industry people who like her, but she did lose Album of the Year to Alanis Morissette at the Grammys, which begs the question... would Alanis have a better shot?

Popularity is certainly CORRELATED with industry insiders liking you (considering popular artists make a lot of money for big record labels), and critical acclaim is also correlated with industry insiders liking you (to a much smaller extent, and usually it seems to only be in the singer-songwriter, not the "band" milieu), but it doesn't seem to be much of a criterion in itself and people should probably stop thinking it is.

Posted by Sean on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 01:05am

By the way, all these recent trends: awards show success (fitting that the reveal was on American Idol), MTV success, and friends in the industry, seem to be pointing at one name as honestly THE most likely candidate left standing:

Phil Collins

Posted by Sean on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 01:13am

Sean

100% agree with you.

As of now, it seems that most important factor is connection, connection, connection.

If you have more friends in nom com and voting body, you are in.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 01:14am

Sean

100% agree with you.

As of now, it seems that most important factor is connection, connection, connection.

If you have more friends in nom com and voting body, you are in.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 01:14am

Potential introducer for all inductees:

Mary J. Blige: Alicia Keys

Cher: Lady Gaga

Foreigner: Mark Ronson

Peter Frampton: Sheryl Crow

Kool & the Gang: Smokey Robinson

Dave Matthews Band: John Mayer

Ozzy Osbourne: Slash

A Tribe Called Quest: Questlove

Dionne Warwick: Stevie Wonder

Others will be introduced with videos

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 01:37am

Sean,

Excellent analysis.

What you say definitely rings true. With that being the case, one would have to wonder whether next year may finally be Paul Rodgers' year or Ian Hunter's. Wouldn't be surprised to see either of these worthies who are both fairly well connected getting their first nominations. Think we may see Alanis Morissette as well.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 02:03am

A weak year tbh, almost as weak as 2018, Oasis and Mariah Carey were by far the most worthy and relevant acts on the ballot and they didn't get in.

Posted by Corey Finn on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 05:42am

toto and boston are most likely classic rock acts to be nominated in next year I believe.

Africa and More than a Feeling have enduring impact, which other classic rock snubs lack

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 05:47am

It should be noted that at the 1996 Grammy Awards, Mary J. Blige won her very first one for the hit "You're All I Need/I'll Be There for You" with Method Man, whose Wu-Tang Clan act has yet to get a nod (but that might change after Tribe got in... more on that later today ;)) while Mariah was snubbed the entire night. A case of deja vu if you will... Mary J. gets in the Hall and Mariah gets snubbed 28 years later... talk about a coincidence (and a bit of irony).

Also, it should be noted that despite her branching out to hip-hop and a more soulful R&B direction, it wasn't that groundbreaking.

Whitney was seen more as a genre-blurring artist than Mariah was IMHO. She ventured into dance pop quite early into her career (How Will I Know, I Wanna Dance with Somebody). She became just the second black female artist to take a rock song to number one on the Hot 100 (So Emotional). She also was one of the first artists to take a new jack swing song to number one on the Billboard Hot 100 (I'm Your Baby Tonight, which in turn became Babyface's first number one hit on the pop chart). Whitney also was one of the first to have a hip-hop remix with a rapper (My Name Is Not Susan remix with Monie Love, only preceded by Janet Jackson's Alright remix with Heavy D) so that right there shows you it's not fair to say Whitney was "more AC" unless you meant by chart stats, then yes, she was, but so was Neil Diamond and Elton John. :)

Then there was the Star-Spangled Banner at the Super Bowl and the artistic, historic and cultural significance that performance had that made Whitney stand out more. Of course, The Bodyguard where she sang ballads, soulful numbers, gospel, dance and hard rock. She became more and more urban based afterwards though and ventured into gospel (The Preacher's Wife SDTK; prior to that, she did Jesus Loves Me and then the duets with BeBe & CeCe Winans), hip-hop soul (It's Not Right but It's Okay) and reggae fusion (My Love is Your Love).

Whitney paved the way for the melismatic pop-gospel vocalizing that Mariah would help to further elevate.

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Mariah by comparison could likely be credited for her inventive remixes, not just hip-hop but house remixes as well (she released a remix compilation in 2003 just to prove that point). But as I said, the hip-hop merging she did was already attributed heavily to Mary before her. Mariah's albatross is likely "that Christmas song". AIWFCIY has become so ubiquitous with her that few of her other classics before and after are not giving much credence as they should. Like I haven't seen a great debut like Vision of Love being reversed as it should. Neither has Emotions from a year afterwards. Music Box was ballads heavy. Give some credit to Whitney: she made sure every one of her albums had a few uptempo cuts! I think Mariah's second most famous song is Fantasy, then We Belong Together over a decade later. But after that, can we say the same for her other big hits like Love Takes Time or Someday or Make It Happen (which didn't even hit number one) or her cover of I'll Be There or Dreamlover or her cover of Without You or Always Be My Baby (which should be seen as another iconic song but isn't) or Honey (which produced a great music video) or My All (one of the songs after Hero that folks have sung at talent shows)? I don't think you can.

Maybe in R&B and hip-hop circles, some of those songs have a bit more shelf life (Fantasy got one via Latto's Big Energy though both Fantasy and Big Energy sampled the same source: Tom Tom Club's Genius of Love; Touch My Body's music has been sampled too) than in pop ones.

All that said, Mariah definitely is a RRHOF-qualified artist and I think she'll get in next year or whenever she gets her next nomination. If not, then I do wonder about her stance within the industry.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 05:56am

Power,

They should but I'm not too confident of their chances. I'd love to see Toto get a nod though. But yeah, they may make my 2025 predictions.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 06:03am

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees and nominees who won the Grammy Award for Best New Artist (and the year of their induction or nomination):
Bobby Darin (1990) - the first BNA winner in 1959
The Beatles (1988) - won in 1965
Crosby, Stills & Nash (1998) - won in 1970
Carly Simon (2022) - won in 1972
Cyndi Lauper (nominated in 2023) - won in 1985
Sade (nominated in 2024) - won in 1986
Mariah Carey (nominated in 2024) - won in 1991
Sheryl Crow (2023) - won in 1995

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees who lost the BNA Grammy:
The Four Seasons (1990) - nominated in 1963
The Byrds (1991) - nominated in 1966 (also oddly enough Sonny & Cher)
Jefferson Airplane (1996) - nominated in 1968
Cream (1993) - nominated in 1969
Chicago (2016) - nominated in 1970
Led Zeppelin (1995) - nominated in 1970
Elton John (1994) - nominated in 1971
Bill Withers (2015) - nominated in 1972
Eagles (1998) - nominated in 1973
Foreigner (2024) - nominated in 1978
The Cars (2018) - nominated in 1979
Elvis Costello (2003) - nominated in 1979
Dire Straits (2018) - nominated in 1980
The Go-Gos (2021) - nominated in 1982
Eurythmics (2022) - nominated in 1984
Green Day (2016) - nominated in 1995

The only one to lose both the BNA Grammy AND RRHOF induction? John Prine.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 06:15am

CS&N should've read 1997 instead of 98 as their induction year.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 06:17am

Rock Hall has always been an insider club, since day 1. This has been shown over close to 40 years at this point. Surprised when people get surprised over it

The main thing is, especially now with bringing new voters from a wide range in, is that being an industry favorite does no mean automatic induction or sole indicator for induction. Lenny would have made it in this year with no issue if that was the case since he's arguably the industry's favorite on this list

Posted by GuestG on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 06:22am

Not intending to beat a drum that I always do, or maybe I am, but with all the talk about inroads in the industry, what about Bad Company's chances for next year? Paul Rodgers and Mick Ralphs definitely have that pedigree for their induction.

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 06:50am

Power,

Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Boston, Mariah Carey, Coldplay, Eric B. & Rakim, Melissa Etheridge, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, New Edition, No Doubt, OutKast, The Replacements, Soundgarden, Luther Vandross and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 07:18am

richie

My prediction list is rough and I will further think about it.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 07:26am

While these think pieces on Mariah Carey is entertaining to read, it's not that deep. There are literal R&B Legends like Chaka Khan, Dionne Warrick, and others who've had to wait decades to get inducted. Mariah not getting in on her first nomination is not all that shocking considering Mary J Blige was also on Ithe ballot and she's more revered. It is what it is.

Its a shame Sade and Sinead O Connor didn't get in. Sade probably wouldn't have shown up anyway considering she didn't attend the Songwriters Hall of Fame. Cher getting in after telling the Rock Hall to F themselves is very Rock and Roll I guess but I'm happy for her still. Very well deserved. It'll be interesting though if she will show up. They'll probably have to grovel lol which serves them right.

Posted by Aria Diamond on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 07:28am

I feel Steven Van Zandt will use side category to induct Paul Rodgers (Free/Bad Company). He seems only to be powerful in side category nom com but he has already lost his magic in performer nom com. So I expect we see Paul Rodgers in side category

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 07:40am

It is possible that Warren Zevon could be directly inducted into the Musical Excellence category. It seems that there are no longer any restrictions regarding previous nomination times for this category. Dionne Warwick was nominated only twice, and Jimmy Buffett has never been nominated. Warren Zevon fits the definition of musical excellence, he wrote songs for Linda Ronstadt and others, and in some ways, he is comparable to songwriters like Bernie Taupin.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 07:56am

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Posted by richie on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 08:55am

Woohoo! Proud of you Ritchie!!

Posted by Will m on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 08:58am

The whole insiders club thing is the reason why a band like Iron Maiden will continue to struggle. Sure, they have Tom Morello and Metallica in their corner, but I guess those aren't that really matter in the grand scheme of things.

Posted by xwing1212 on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:14am

Sean's comment should be considered a classic, too accurate.

https://futurerocklegends.com/2024_Inductees/#448179

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:20am

The page should be this

https://futurerocklegends.com/2024_Inductees/#448178

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:24am

Who will be the next older R&B nominee? Will the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame focus on artists like War, Luther Vandross, and Barry White, or will the Rock Hall opt for younger acts like New Edition instead?

Who will be the next hip-hop nominee? I think EBAR might be considered by the Rock Hall again, along with others such as Outkast, Wu-Tang Clan, Nas, Snoop Dogg, and Salt-N-Pepa.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:30am

Richie

We were not hating on you we knew that you were being victimized and we were trying to tell you that guy was back help

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:32am

Mary J Blige finished next to last in the fan vote and she gets in? WTF? Eric B and Rakim finished dead last and still gets in. It's almost as if they are putting people in to placate a certain community.

Glad that Sinead didn't get it, as she was only a sympathy vote.

Would love to see these acts nominated next year:
OutKast, Culture Club, Anita Baker, Luther Vandross, The Smiths & Joan Armatrading.
(Someone in the committee has issues with the above nominees, I wish they would leave their politics aside. Outkast inducted Kate and with their influence and huge album sales you would have thought they'd be in by now. Culture Club is not even nominated while Eurythmics are in totally absurd. Anita Baker literally spawned countless clones, but being a conservative black woman ensures she will be blackballed. Luther Vandross being gay and black ensures that he keeps getting forgotten. The Smiths are real rock and roll, its ok to have a conscience as long as you make money for certain communities, and now he has spoken out for Israel which will doom him, because people are only allowed to be on one side. Joan Armatrading is so influential and if acts like MC5 and Eric B and Rakim can get put in, then Joan should be quickly put in under Excellence.
Go ahead and slag me off for having my opinions, you dont know me.But, give artist a fair shake no matter their political persuasion.

Roux

Posted by Roux on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:45am

It's hard to predict the nominees because, based on this year's situation, the nominees have not followed any pattern, unlike in previous years where there were discernible trends.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:45am

Roux

Eric B and Rakim are not in, and the hip hop inductee in this year is ATCQ

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:48am

chasingwildcat,

I think the Tribe induction is really interesting in that it is our first proof that hip-hop can get in on a competitive ballot even when the artist is not a mega-star level of popularity. So I think the template that we had this year of two straightforward hip-hop acts plus an artist in the hip-hop/R&B crossover area makes a lot of sense.

I'm biased because they're my favorite hip-hop group, but Outkast has gotta be next year.

For slot #2, it could be EB&R again, but I would also love to see Wu-Tang make a ballot appearance.

And I think the back to back Missy Elliott and MJB inductions bode well for Lauryn Hill in the near future, though I wouldn't be surprised if it's the Fugees or even a paired nomination. TLC could be interesting in this slot as well.

Posted by RG on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:56am

roux

You're glad Sinead didn't get it because she was only a sympathy vote?? What a horrible thing to say. The votes she received were from critics who are long time fans and admirers.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:56am

Next of the "Classic" metal act that will get in is Iron Maiden or Ronnie James Dio through the Musical Excellence

Or they go ahead and nominated someone that can easily get put in the Performers like Motley Crue or the Scorpions

Next of the "Classic Rock" acts is Bad Company/Free,King Crimson or Warren Zevon

Next 90s Rock act to get in I think will be either Soundgarden,Oasis,Smashing Pumpkins or Lenny Kravitz

Jane's Addiction I feel like is destined for a Musical Excellence induction if they don't return to the ballot in 2025 or 2026

As for Hip Hop I think it's either OutKast,Snoop Dogg,Wu Tang Clang or Dr Dre

Eric B and Rakim are destined for the Musical Excellence route

The first big 00s Rock Act to get in will either be Coldplay,White Stripes,Linkin Park or The Strokes if they get nominated in 2026 as a FYE

Classic R&B? I think either War,Luther Vandross,Rick James or Patti LaBelle or of course Diana Ross

Modern R&B? Mariah will return but I can definitely see Lauryn Hill's presence on a ballot and maybe TLC could sneak in as a nominee in the near future

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:57am

roux

You're glad Sinead didn't get in because she was only a sympathy vote?? What a horrible thing to say. The votes she received were from critics who are long time fans and admirers

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 09:58am

It's pretty interesting how much 90s acts have struggled. Going from 2014->now we've largely only seen the marquee names-nirvana Radiohead Green Day Pearl Jam Foos Rage NIN Sheryl. But even then some of them struggled w years between first noms and inductions. Big names like Soundgarden Lenny and Oasis are missing the mark too. AIC Weezer and Pumpkins can't even get nominated. Beck had no shot btw, and maybe the white stripes didn't?

Out of this years rock noms, I only see Sinead returning for next year. With Soundgarden returning and Weezer getting a first nomination. Next year I think will be very boomer oriented again, Jethro Tull, War, Motörhead, and Marvelettes I see getting on next years ballot.

Posted by Will m on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 10:10am

Will M & Alec Tess, Thank you for your kind words towards my son Richie. As you know Richie is is Autistic & easily led. He is vulnerable & so wishes to make friends. He is somewhat desperate to make friends & even more so as I, ( His Mother Sheri) am currently dying from terminal cancer. He was sucked into a web by a very sick man & he played a cat & mouse game with my son. Thank Gentlemen for understanding. Much love & any blessings. Sheri, Richie's Mom.

Posted by Sheri on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 10:12am

It seems that nom com thinks they have already inducted all worthy new wave/post punk/80s alternative acts, and this year no one in these genres is inducted.

I am afraid that these genres will be ignored in the future as nom com thinks rock hall has done enough on these genres already.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 10:15am

Will M,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 10:16am

Will m

Yea I'm looking at the fantano sub (they're excited by this class cause tribe, Ozzy, and MJB) and there are two acts that they keep mentioning as needing to happen: Smiths and Weezer

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 10:16am

Power

Joy Divison/New Order and DEVO will get in soon yes but after that it's anybody's guess for that group of acts that will be voted in next

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 10:18am

Alexis Korner fits "Musical Excellence" more than "Musical Influence"

Am I the only one who thinks that?

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 10:21am

Alec tess

I was more confused that MC5 ended up in musical excellence than musical influence. That band and The Velvet Underground pioneered punk rock. It's weird that they're not in musical influence since they were one of the pivotal bands from the '60s who were the blueprint of punk.

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 10:40am

John Mayall getting me makes me wonder if they will honor Chubby Checker as an Early/Musical Influence very soon while he is still with us?

Or someone like Herbie Hancock,Sonny Rollins,Paul Anka, Cissy Houston or Roberta Flack

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 11:35am

Here's my stab at an induction ceremony script:

Cold Open:
Kool & The Gang - Celebration
Kool & The Gang inducted by Jimmy Jam
Ronald Bell acceptance speech
K$TG play Jungle Boogie > Funky Stuff, Ladies Night

Norman Whitfield video tribute - no speech or performance

A Tribe called Quest inducted by ?uestlove
Acceptance speech
ATCQ performs Can I Kick It, Award Tour, Check The Rhime

Video tribute Suzanne de Passe
Suzanne acceptance speech

MC5 inducted by Tom Morello
No acceptance speech or performance

Peter Frampton inducted by Ringo Starr
Frampton acceptance speech
Frampton plays Show Me The Way, I'm In You, Baby I Love Your Way

Big Mama Thornton video tribute only

Dave Matthews Band inducted by John Mayer
DMB acceptance
DMB plays Satellite, Grey Street, Crash

Dionne Warwick inducted by Alicia Keys
Dionne Warwick acceptance
No performance

Jimmy Buffett inducted by Jack Johnson
No acceptance
Jack Johnson and Dave Matthews perform "A Pirate Looks At 40"

In Memorium

Cher inducted by Lady Gaga
Acceptance by Cher
Cher performs Gypsies Tramps and Thieves, If I Could Turn Back Time, Believe

Foreigner inducted by Mark Ronson
Acceptance
Foreigner plays Feels Like The First Time, Hot Blooded, I Want To Know What Love Is

Video tribute to Alexis Korner and John Mayal

Mary J. Blige inducted by Kamala Harris
MJB acceptance
MJB plays Work That, Real Love, Family Affair

Ozzy Osbourne inducted by Axl Rose
Ozzy acceptance
Ozzy plays Flying High Again, Crazy Train, Mama I'm Coming Home

All Star Jam
All Along The Watchtower
Shoop Shoop Song

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 11:58am

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 11:59am

We all know that this is a political game played by the RRHOF committee. The class is already determined before they release the names of the nominees. The fan votes are a waste of time. It is obvious that Mariah is blacklisted and was doomed from the start. However, she seems to persevere in spite of the music industry's treatment of her. She will probably never be inducted although she is more deserving than most. This rejection will not break her. Also, please stop comparing her to Whitney Houston.

Posted by Wannie on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 12:03pm

Now to see in a couple months what Rock n Roll Hall of Famers are announced as 2024 Kennedy Center Honorees or what possible future Rock n Roll Hall of Famers will get that honor

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 12:53pm

My picks for next years's nominees:

Bad Company
Outkast
the Monkees
Ian Hunter/Mott the Hoople
Smashing Pumpkins
B-52's
Joy Division/New Order
the Indigo Girls
the Carpenters
Olivia Newton-John
Iron Maiden
Salt-n-Pepa
Pink
Phil Collins
War
Devo
the Smiths

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 13:26pm

And Alanis Morissette.

Posted by Eric Tompkins on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 13:30pm

Who inducts who

Mary J Blige - Taraji P. Henson
Ozzy Osbourne - Rob Halford
A Tribe Called Quest - Tyler, The Creator
Cher - Ru Paul
Peter Frampton - Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo
Dave Matthews Band - Bob Weir
Kool and the Gang - Pharrell Williams

Jimmy Buffett - Brian Kelley
MC5 - Iggy Pop
Dionne Warwick - Alicia Keys
Big Mama Thornton - Brittany Howard

Everyone else video package

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 13:36pm

Mat R,

You forgot Foreigner. Who do you think will induct Foreigner?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 13:38pm

Foreigner - Jack Black

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 13:50pm

K-Dawg's Way Way WAYYY too early 2025 nomination predictions:

1. Bad Company - With Foreigner being inducted this year, it proves there are still bands that have a case for the RRHOF despite some's interjections. Paul Rodgers should be enough of a reason, but their catalogue, endurance, and radio airplay cannot be ignored.

2. Mariah Carey - We all know she got snubbed. She will be on the ballot til she gets inducted.

3. Soundgarden - I think going forward, the big four have the writing on the wall. I think Soundgarden gets picked before AIC

4. The Guess Who - Either they are going to get in through ME or the main ballot

5. Smashing Pumpkins - The Hall can rectify one of its most glaring omissions by turning back from Oasis to another band met with internal struggles between members, in this case, D'arcy and the ego of William Patrick Corgan.

6. the Commodores - the last couple years, the Hall went a long way to fix the funk groups being kept out. Ohio Players have a case, but putting the Commodores in will also fix the error of putting Lionel Richie in first

7. TLC - I'm looking for the next big female hip hop act to get in, and Alicia Keys isn't eligible til next year, so maybe time to get the 90s female rap groups in. These ladies were the best at their time.

8. Joy Division/New Order - Now that they had a year off, time to revisit and properly induct the last major new wave influencing group of the 80s.

9. Cyndi Lauper - Another miss on this year's ballot, how Cyndi didn't get the nod with her ties to socially conscious causes baffles me. They went for the one hit wonder this year when Cyndi would've had a far better chance to get in

10. the B-52's - They're wrapping up their farewell tour. So many others are in with less.

11. Outkast - I would've had them first a year ago, and did. I'm not sure if the Hall is going to go in the direction of Wu Tang first or not. But these guys are only a matter of time away.

12. Boston - Unsure of this one. With all the rock heavy acts going in, they seem to be a natural followup for Foreigner, but BC could carve into this.

13. Sade - I think they get another crack

14. Coldplay - With all the question marks surrounding the logic of the 90s rock acts, I think they may skip to the 00s as it's their style

15. Snoop Dogg - No question the RRHOF is going for star power as a selling point. Snoop is a big name and has the credentials to get in

16. Tori Amos - A lot of 90s female folk/singer-songwriter types are going to be a new vogue in the coming years. I hold onto the thought Tori is at the forefront, but Bjork is also a possibility.

This is a VERY early list and very subject to change. I was trying to think of someone with just one album to replace Frampton in terms of getting an unworthy induction, but I mentioned Rick Derringer in a joke earlier and probably that would be the best replacement lol. Rock and Roll HOOTCHIE KOOOO

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 14:12pm

The NFL Draft is this weekend and I am thankfully they didn't announce the inductees during this weekend like how they announced the nominees during the Super Bowl week haha

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 14:45pm

*weekend*

Remember when the 2021 NFL Draft was in Cleveland and the draft was all Rock Hall theme?

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 14:46pm

The Mariah stans on Twitter on unhinged and I am all for it lol

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 14:49pm

its interesting that the acts we all knew would not make it; Janes Sade and EBAR, really didn't make it.

those 3 not making it in, is kinda lame. the class is less interesting without the wildcard inductions, like last year with the spinners and rage who no one expected

oasis Lenny Mariah and Sinead there was much debate and discussion on, while every act inducted had at least some predictions going for them (DMB had many feeling they'd go in off of fan vote alone) (many thought Peter would go in via excellence).

now mariah not making it in, that does make this class more interesting. how did the superstar slip through the cracks???? (id probably outlined 40 reasons previously in my predictions). very similar to 2018 when radiohead faltered. shes an absolute lock for next year-nom and inductee. I think that means we'll see more underrated smaller acts on next years ballot since we KNOW the superstar will be in

Posted by will m on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 15:33pm

Will M,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 15:38pm

Inductors (My Guess):

Mary J. - H.E.R.

Cher - Cyndi Lauper

Kool & the Gang - Raphael Saadiq

A Tribe Called Quest - Common

Foreigner - Mark Ronson

Peter Frampton - Sheryl Crow

Dave Matthews Band - John Mayer

Ozzy Osbourne - Post Malone

Jimmy Buffett - Jack Johnson

Dionne Warwick - Alicia Keys

MC5 - Patti Smith

Norman Whitfield - Smokey Robinson

Big Mama Thornton - Brittany Howard

Alexis Korner - Keith Richards

John Mayall - John McVie

Suzanne de Passe - Diana Ross

Posted by Elle Dee on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 15:47pm

The Mariah snub is beginning to look over the class in the mainstream

https://nypost.com/2024/04/22/entertainment/rock-amp-roll-hall-of-fame-2024-inductees-mary-j-blige-cher-not-mariah-carey/

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 15:51pm

I gave you my way too early nominees for 2025 but still I don't know yet what I really think yet

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 15:52pm

Alec Tess,

Before Richie fell for the charlatan, he was an eager and tireless compiler of lists dating decades. Get ready for a lot of this

Posted by K-Dawg on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 16:28pm

Predicting the presenters of the 2024 Hall inductions

Cher-Cyndi Lauper

Mary J Blige-Michelle Obama

A Tribe Called Quest-Busta Rhymes

Peter Frampton-Bono

Kool & The Gang-Burno Mars

Foreigner-Mark Ronson

Dave Matthews Band-John Mayer

Ozzy Osbourne-Post Malone

MC5-Tom Morello

Jimmy Buffet-Elton John

Dionne Warwick-Debbie Allen

Norman Whitfield-Berry Gordy

John Mayall-Joe Walsh

Eric Clapton-Alexis Korner

Big Mama Thornton-Sheryl Crow

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 17:03pm

I think Foreigner and Peter Frampton has close the door on 70s and early 80s AOR being considered

Other than Free/Bad Company I think them putting Foreigner and Peter Frampton in pretty much closes the door on 70s and early 80s AOR at least in the Performers

I expect the next "Classic Rock" acts to inducted in the Performers category to be Warren Zevon,Thin Lizzy,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,Mott The Hopple,Phil Collins,Harry Nilsson and Steve Winwood

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 18:24pm

Thought long about who I think will return and who will be newly nominated. Here goes nothing lol

Returning:
Mariah Carey
Cyndi Lauper
Warren Zevon
White Stripes
Lenny Kravitz
Eric B. and Rakim (if they don't go for a new hip-hop inductee)
Sinead O'Connor
Devo
Joy Division/New Order

New:
Tracy Chapman
Outkast
Luther Vandross
Phil Collins
Diana Ross (not sure if they're gonna do it but yeah)
Delfonics

I can only think of 15 since they might go with that number of nominees but yeah.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 18:25pm

Who knows? I might change my list. I'm not mentally prepared for 2025 yet. So dismiss this list for now. XD

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 18:28pm

Does anybody else feel like performer, musical excellence, and musical influence should all be merged into one category? Like have half of the performers voted in and the other half selected via committee. At this point, there should only be two categories: performer and non-performer. I still don't understand what Musical Excellence is tying to be. They're just putting everybody into this category: sidemen, producers, artists who can't get voted in on the ballot (LL Cool J, Judas Priest, MC5) and now artists who could possibly do well if nominated (Jimmy Buffett). It should renamed to Miscellaneous Excellence.

Posted by xwing1212 on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 18:31pm

This year, except for tribe, all the returning noms were on their second shot, what if that happens again? After janes returned, I actually think bad brains could get another go. It's a long shot but they were a long shot at first too.

Posted by Will m on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 18:35pm

I think that Bad Brains nomination was all Dave Grohl considering Grohl grew up in Northern Virginia and Bad Brains were formed in Washington DC.

Posted by xwing1212 on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 18:47pm

As for now my way too early 2025 nominee predictions are

Returning:
Oasis
Mariah Carey
Lenny Kravitz
Joy Division/New Order
Warren Zevon
Iron Maiden
Cyndi Lauper
Soundgarden
War

Newcomers
Bad Company/Free
Lauryn Hill
Diana Ross
Coldplay
Linkin Park
Phil Collins
Smashing Pumpkins
OutKast

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 18:49pm

The hall of course has an indie/alternative problem, always has since that has always been anti-insider in nature. I think it's more then that though, the main thing is the Rock Hall has a 90s issue, or more specifically an age issue.

People are more inclined to vote for 60s/70s acts for a multitude of reasons. They will rather vote for a 60s/70s c-rate act while they are still living and make a-list 80s/90s/00s acts "wait their turn" due to younger age, and go through a certain number of nominations. Only s-list 90s acts like Nirvana will immediately get in, others will wait years for nomination #1 and then take a few after that.

Consider this year - Literally every single 60s/70s act nominated got immediately inducted on first try. Many saw them as waiting years for "their turn", and for many there was the "get them in before they die" argument and incentive going around. All acts that missed were late 80s to 90s. Even more significant, the three 90s acts that were inducted were nominated before and had to "wait their turn" - DMB 2nd time, MJB 2nd time, and ATCQ 3 times. Not only with multiple nominations but multiple years waiting for that first nomination. MJB is an a-lister even. All acts newly nominated - Mariah, Oasis, Sinead, Sade, Lenny Kravitz - all now have to "wait their turn" because they are seen as too new, not only against older acts including FYN but also 80s/90s acts who have been nominated before.

Unless the voter base shifts entirely or the make the next nomination only artists from late 80s onwards this is the future - outside certain s-listers all 90s acts will take a few years to nominate, and at least 2 ballots to be inducted while c-list 70s acts get inducted first nomination". Even the Mariahs and Coldplays are having to wait. Which is only a scary issue when you consider how actually rough the nominations they allow until they sidedoor you - 2 nominations until sidedoored is even harder then Baseball Hall of Fame. And that's going to lead to some very major act get screwed over.

Posted by GuestG on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 19:22pm

I just noticed, a 2018 nominee has been inducted every year since 2018. Go check the page, it's true.

So… are the meters an AME lock for next year or am I wayyyyy too superstitious?

Posted by Will m on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 19:25pm

GuestG,

What are your way-too-early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 19:30pm

Here's a Quick 20 KING Nominees For 2024-2025.
1. Alabama
2. King Crimson
3. Cyndi Lauper
4. Mariah Carey
5. Scorpions
6. Soundgarden
7. Diana Ross
8. Phil Collins
9. Iron Maiden
10. WAR
11. Bad Company
12. Dr. Dre
13. The Bangles
14. Smashing Pumpkins
15. Bryan Adams
16. Joy Division/New Order
17. Lenny Kravitz
18. The White Stripes
19. Salt N Pepa
20. Luther Vandross
KING

Posted by KING on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 19:30pm

Lenny seems to be another Soundgarden, who most people thought would be surefire FYN but finally actually struggles.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 20:51pm

Anyone else feel a member of Sonic Youth will induct Frampton?

Kim Gordon did Cobain and the Hall wants to get indie in and this would be a decent set up for Sonic Youth.

Beyond that.....the induction would 1000000% go viral among Simpsons fans who would spam it like crazy

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 20:53pm

Mat R,

What are your predictions for Rock Hall inductees in the next 10 years (2025-2034) (If 8 inductees each year)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/22/2024 @ 22:12pm

Remember when I did the "worst person in every class" thing? Well, who do you guys think qualifies as the worst person in this class?

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 00:05am

richie

2025: Mariah Carey, Outkast, Cyndi Lauper, Phil Collins, Oasis, War, Alanis Morrisette, Boston
2026: Beck, Tracy Chapman, The Guess Who, Snoop Dogg, The B-52s, Coldplay, Alicia Keys, Diana Ross
2027: Pink, Beyoncé, Warren Zevon, Iron Maiden, Lesley Gore, Wu-Tang Clan, Barry White, Soundgarden
2028: White Stripes, Britney Spears, Motley Crue, Roberta Flack, Weezer, Wings, Daft Punk, Billy Idol
2029: Joy Division/New Order, Dr. Dre, Weird Al" Yankovic, No Doubt, John Mayer, Suzi Quatro, Bad Company, Luther Vandross
2030: Jane's Addiction, Nas, Lauryn Hill/Fugees, Supertramp, Cliff Richard, Tori Amos, Ed Sheeran, Amy Winehouse
2031: Taylor Swift, The Killers, 50 Cent, TLC, Alice in Chains, Lucinda Williams, Babyface, Bryan Adams
2032: Pixies, Lil Wayne, Harry Nilsson, The Smiths, Kelly Clarkson, The Strokes, Sinéad O'Connor, Selena
2033: Lady Gaga, The Black Keys, Deftones, Hootie and the Blowfish, Clipse, Rihanna, Poison, The Chicks
2034: Drake, Kendrick Lamar, My Chemical Romance, Sarah McLachlan, Bjork, Destiny's Child, Megadeth, Robert Plant and Alison Krauss

Follower

Of the performers Kool and the Gang are the worst act music wise but they're more worthy than Dave Matthews Band

Posted by Mat R on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 00:22am

I will finally predict who will be returning in 2025. I will predict who will be first nominees on the weekend.
Returning
1. Mariah Carey
2. Lenny Kravitz
3.Cyndi Lauper
4. Sade

Posted by Amie Hampton on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 00:22am

I meant worst as in worst people, like people who killed someone.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 00:51am

Well, I don't know the full backstage stories on all of this large class of musicians; but of the ones I do, I'd say Boyd Tinsley, former member of Dave Matthews Band, definitely qualifies for consideration of "worst person", considering he was accused of sexual assault, harassment, and long-term grooming. He settled that out of court, but was sued again this year for violating the terms of that settlement.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 01:24am

On the "get them in before they die" front, again the Monkees were shafted this year. Micky now has been the last surviving member of the group for 2 cycles. It's criminally stupid (no pun intended) that they've all but ignored the Monkees for decades.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 02:31am

I'm pretty sure The Monkees were blacklisted.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 04:51am

Might as well give my early 2025 predictions.

Previously Nominated:
Devo (4th nom)
War (4th nom)
Soundgarden (3rd nom)
Mariah Carey (2nd nom)
Lenny Kravitz (2nd nom)
Sade (2nd nom)
Joy Division/New Order (2nd nom)
The White Stripes (2nd nom)
Thin Lizzy (2nd nom)

New to the ballot:
Coldplay
OutKast
Tracy Chapman
Lil Wayne
John Mayer
Shakira
No Doubt

Honorable Mentions: Motörhead, Warren Zevon, TLC, The Replacements, Billy Idol
Probable inductees: No Doubt, Soundgarden, Mariah, Lenny, Coldplay, OutKast, White Stripes. Spoilers: Devo, Tracy, JD/NO, Thin Lizzy, War

Also don't expect me to post much stuff here for a while after this. I'll still be here, I just probably won't say anything. I've honestly gotten tired of Hall discussion here. This is mostly because, and I mean no offense to anyone, I feel like you guys have been saying the same old shit for a few years now and this year it feels like its gotten worse. I'll definitely be participating in this year's Projected season coming up, and I'll still join in on the Song and Album projects, and I'll probably post links to whatever poster or video I've made in the future, but otherwise don't expect to see much of me.

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 08:26am

I wonder if were plans to nominate both Sinead O Connor and Jimmy Buffett as the Hall on Twitter did a "Rest in Peace" Tweet to both them after they passed

Posted by Alec Tess on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 09:41am

alec tess

I wonder since Sinéad didn't get inducted in musical excellence means that she did decent enough in the regular ballot voting that she has enough potential to try again next time. I don't predict her as the 2025 nominee. I think they're going to take a break from her for a little bit.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 10:06am

Elle Dee,

Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 10:11am

Elle dee

Yea I think there's a good chance they leave Sinead on the bench for a while.

I will say I think the Jimmy Buffett induction signals that they will just induct older big or dead icons without the ballot going forward. I imagine Bette Midler, Cliff Richard, Roberta Flack types will just go straight in without a nod.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 10:15am

Mat R,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 10:20am

Richie

I already did that

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 10:30am

Raichu,

Sorry if I missed it, but how did your nominee project turn out? I don't have the link handy to your page

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 10:30am

Early predictions for 2025:

Eric B. & Rakim
The B-52s
Bad Company
Boyz II Men
Mariah Carey
INXS
Joy Division/New Order
Lenny Kravitz
Cyndi Lauper
The Meters
Motley Crue
Sinead O'Connor
Outkast
The Pointer Sisters
Soundgarden
"Weird Al" Yankovic

Posted by Ian on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 10:49am

If I had to guess with Sinead I would guess she did ok but not borderline (probably ranked 11th or 12th).

Guessing the hall moves on to bigger names for a bit like Tracy Chapman and Alanis Morissette and possibly Bjork, Tori Amos, Sarah McLachlan, and Melissa Etheridge before bringing her back to a ballot.

Chapman and Morrissette for sure feel next up. No idea who gets it.

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 10:51am

My way too early predictions for the 2025 side categorizes

Musical Excellence
DEVO
Iron Maiden
Harry Nilsson
Carol Kaye

Early/Musical Influence
Chubby Checker
John Coltrane
New York Dolls
Odetta

Ahmet Ertegun Award
Slyvia Moy
Jonathan Poneman

Posted by Alec Tess on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 11:04am

K-Dawg,
What nominee project? I don't remember what that is/was.

Posted by Raichu on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 11:20am

Mat r

I don't know why, but I have this feeling that Alanis will do much worse than Sinéad. I remember listening to an episode of immaletyoufinish… and Amy Linden mentioned that if Alanis gets on the ballot she won't vote for her because she thinks she's wack, going so far to say that her biggest claim to fame was singing about going down on a guy from Full House in a movie theater. Very harsh.

Posted by Elle Dee on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 11:20am

now that foreigner is in, I wonder who the most played act on classic rock radio is that isn't in the hall. Boston? Bad Company? Phil Collins solo?

its probably Boston, more than a feeling is a huge staple

Posted by will m on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 12:44pm

Elle dee

I don't disagree. Alanis is a one album wonder of sorts and was pretty heavily criticised and mocked upon arrival despite sales.

The two counters would be the reappraisal jagged little pill has over gone and Alanis having the "right" friends and allies (Madonna, Dave Grohl, Dave Matthews, Joan Jett, Flea)

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 13:10pm

I think a smart idea for the hall to make everything fit on time, would be to have the MC5 performance double as the in memorium. As well as limiting tribute performances to 1 or 2. The George Micheal segment of last year was extreme dead weight. Only doing careless whisper would have sufficed.

Posted by Will m on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 13:37pm

Will

I am going with King Crimson or Bad Company/Free (You have to nominate them both together and All Right Now more well known than any Bad Company song)

Or you can give Paul Rodgers Musical Excellence

And in that case I will say Warren Zevon

Posted by Alec Tess on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 13:54pm

I would put Phil Collins in the 80s Rock crowd along with Bryan Adams and not in the 70s and early 80s AOR crowd

Posted by Alec Tess on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 13:57pm

Will M,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 14:39pm

So...how do we think Pink sets up her nomination next year at this year's ceremony (she seems the most likely for a fyn)? Being involved in the Cher induction seems possible?

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 15:22pm

Salz und Pfeffer, Mariah, & PINK, Patsy Cline & Bjork.

It's odd to me that Salt-N-Pepa hasn't been nominated already.
They are an obvious lock with being female and melanated.

Shocking that someone with the chart success of Mariah has been Kate Bushed. Now that we know is an all genre institution not inducting her is idiotic.

A few people mentioned PINK! Please, please, please. She is just another Sheryl Crow. Crow doesnt belong in something that is about originality and innovation, nor does Alicia Moore. No, no, no. So many qualified women need to be put in before we even discuss her.

Patsy Cline is deserving, few more deserving.

Bjork needs to be inducted ASAP along with Salz und Pfeffer, Patsy Cline & Mariah Carey the work is now done for the women who will be inducted in 2025 the Hall of Fame can just listen to me and stop their waste of money.

Posted by Ms. Maude Frickert on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 15:25pm

Just took a look, and all 5 of the top 5 got in. So know the list of acts who have reached the top 5 but have not gotten in consists of:

Soundgarden
Iron Maiden
Fela Kuti
Warren Zevon
Cyndi Lauper

All except Fela were nominated last year.

Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 18:11pm

Follower wrote:

Remember when I did the "worst person in every class" thing? Well, who do you guys think qualifies as the worst person in this class?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm with Shrek. Easily Boyd Tinsley. I'm a huge DMB fan but what he did was both indefensible and unforgivable. I get why he has to be inducted as he was an integral part of their most well known songs (which still sound great live without him) and most popular albums but do us all a favor rock hall and don't invite him to the ceremony.

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 19:14pm

Power,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 19:17pm

Boyd Tinsley as the shittiest human seems right.

Weird that the best humanitarian inductee this year, Wayne Kramer, spent several years in prison for drug trafficking

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 19:41pm

Wanting to talk about if performers will show up and/or perform at the ceremony. This of the main 8 performers inducted, as for the side category Warwick will perform but the rest kind of won't and will get tributes

A Tribe Called Quest - Debatable. They officially broke up and this would have to be a one-off reunion, however they did tour at the end without Phife Dawg so it isn't ruled out as a final tribute to him and the group. They've acknowledged it on social media so at least one should be showing, so I can realistically see them performing since they are all on good terms.

Mary J Blige - Seems very excited so I think she's coming and performing. Hopefully the Diddy drama doesn't sneak up to spoil the moment

Cher - The absolute question mark. Not quite like Kate Bush since in her case it's more being reclusive and terrified of flying, here it's Cher being pissed she wasn't in earlier. She loves the spotlight and this is one of the last moments she'll truly have it, so will she cave in and perform? Historically yes.

Dave Matthews - Will be showing up to perform, they know how much this means to those diehards that really fought hard for this

Foreigner - They had one of the more blatant hall campaign in recent times and often talked about it years leading up to this. Absolutely will be showing up and performing, would be embarrassing for them not to after all that

Peter Frampton - He performed last year, of course he'll perform at his induction. It's is last big thing.

Kool & the Gang - Another hall campaigner. They'll be there to accept but will they be there to perform? As far as I know it's like Spinners, a touring group without really any original members who are being inducted. This might lead to another Spinners tribute performance instead of them performing

Ozzy - Didn't care for Sabbath, cares a bit more now but health issues will prevent any performance since he retired from that

Realistically up to 6/8 inductees might perform with Kool and Ozzy being definite nos. Even at its lowest acceptance Frampton, Foreigner, DMB, probably even MJB will 100% be locks to perform and that's a monster lineup for tickets

Posted by GuestG on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 20:14pm

GuestG,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 20:27pm

Will Muscial Excellence inductee Dionne Warwick preform?

Posted by Alec Tess on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 20:46pm

Dionne Warwick despite saying that she doesn't see herself as "Rock n Roll" and says the Hall should change her name

She seems to have a change of heart now
https://x.com/dionnewarwick/status/1782492455344144495?s=46&t=sOaE2ooXGWYBfm5i3mQiKA

Posted by Alec Tessitore on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 20:53pm

I think Alanis will have a better chance than Sinead. To many casual listeners, Sinead is a 'one-hit wonder,' which is perceived more negatively than Alanis being a 'one-album wonder.' In terms of general popularity, Sinead is not on the same level as Alanis. Moreover, due to her rebellious nature, Sinead has made many enemies in the industry, whereas Alanis has more friends.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 23:23pm

Few things I need to say about this class.

1. There's a lot of classic rock field being represented with Foreigner, Peter Frampton & Jimmy Buffett selected as inductees. This means the rock crowd can finally stop bitching about how the Hall doesn't listen to them complaining about rappers, country stars & anyone else they don't like being honored. Heck we can stop letting in acts from the era so lets focus on modern artists for their consideration.

2. A very populist class just like 2022. Remember when inductions are based on artistic merits, legacy star power & true impact in the music industry, well this is the complete opposite of what I'm pointing out. Nowadays it's about whether you're popular with fans is what it takes to be included which I find it to be ridiculously laughable.

3. Now Tribe is officially inducted, it means they're off the ballot & it finally opened the door for others including OutKast, Wu-Tang Clan, De La Soul etc.

4. Post punk/new wave is nowhere to be found unfortunately & I thought it would be the case for Devo alas it wasn't meant to be. Maybr next year the genres would make a return on the ballot, however let's save that discussion for another time.

5. Ozzy Osbourne is now the 27th artist to have a double induction joining the ranks of the Beatles, Eric Clapton among others.

Overall, this year isn't necessarily bad in any means it just feels lackluster. Maybe the next ballots would be better.

Posted by JE on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 23:26pm

The induction of the Dave Matthews Band makes me wonder if Iron Maiden will be voted in next time. Both acts are similar: big album sellers with almost no pop hit singles, and both have huge cult fan groups. Iron Maiden will have a big tour this year, which could help their chances. Some industry voters might consider voting for them since Maiden is expected to generate substantial revenue. However, one disadvantage for Maiden is that metal is still not favored by the Hall (Ozzy was inducted mainly due to his star power), whereas DMB, with its roots music influence, might be more acceptable to voters.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 23:27pm

Someone mentioned the Scorpions, but they have no chance. They are so isolated from the inner circles of the US music industry.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 23:29pm

JE,

check Sean's comment ( https://futurerocklegends.com/2024_Inductees/#448178 )

Popularity among fans doesn't matter, the main factor is how much the inner circle loves you. Iron Maiden has a ton of fans and can still hold arena tours in the US, but they are nowhere near being inducted, as Maiden is isolated from inner circle people.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 23:32pm

I have a gut feeling that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame will not nominate an old R&B group (like War or The Meters) next year and will instead opt for a newer group like New Edition.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 23:34pm

After these Inductees these are the biggest indicators in order I think can be used for who will be nominated and inducted into the RRHOF.

1. Industry Acclaim & Connections (Accolades, RRHOF Ceremony Appearances/Performances, Collaborations with artists already inducted, Featured on Rolling Stone and VH1 Greatest lists, etc)

2. American Impact: Foreign artists still have a harder time getting in no matter how successful and critically acclaimed they are. The Smiths still aren't in, it took Kate Bush featured on Stranger things for voters to finally put her in, etc.

3. Album sales & acclaim: The hall values artists who have consistently produced influential albums that been both critically acclaimed, and have garnered lots of sales. Everyone inducted usually has at least all their albums at least gold and at least one platinum album or higher.

Posted by Ralib on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 23:35pm

Ralib

Mariah Carey checks all the boxes you listed, but she still hasn't succeeded. Perhaps she has many industry enemies, despite her immense popularity, similar to Janet Jackson.

Posted by power on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 23:40pm

Power,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/23/2024 @ 23:41pm

I don't know why, but I think the Peter Frampton being an inductee has grown on me.

Posted by John R.C. on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 00:37am

power

I think Alanis made some enemies when she ditched the rock hall induction of Carly Simon because she sees the obvious sexism in its institution. With that being said, Sinead having one American hit shouldn't be a detriment. If the hall thinks that's her only claim to fame in America then she wouldn't have been nominated in the first place. I mean, Amy Winehouse is one of the most iconic singers now years after her death, but if you asked someone who isn't a huge fan of her music if they can name a song besides Rehab, they'll more than likely give you a blank look.

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 01:27am

Now that the new class has been announced which acts do you think benefit the most?

For example this is what I think

A Tribe Called Quest- Now that they're in Outkast hopefully won't be far behind or maybe they take a shot at De La Soul.

Ozzy Osbourne- Try Iron Maiden again, though another easy win would be Ronnie James Dio via Musical Excellence.

Foreigner- Boston or Bad Company might be next

Peter Frampton- Same as Foreigner.

Dave Matthews Band- Hopefully Phish

Cher- Among female soloists of the past maybe Roberta Flack or Diana Ross solo?

Mary J. Blige- Also Roberta Flack but if they want to go with solo R&B maybe Luther Vandross. Since she's the queen of Hip-Hop/Soul maybe Queen Latifah or Salt n' Pepa?

Kool & the Gang- War perhaps?

Dionne Warwick- Same as Cher plus maybe the Carpenters if they want to go mellow.

MC5- Who are we kidding? New York Doll for a side category can't be far behind

Jimmy Buffet- I see this filling the boomer singer/songwriter slot that the Hall loves so maybe John Denver or Harry Nilsson?

Big Mama Thornton- Hard to say where they go with Influence but Memphis Minnie anyone?

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 06:45am

Plebeian (if you're around)

How do you rate the new RRHOF class based on your tier structure? I have a hard time giving anyone on this current crop an S, although there are some longtime deserving acts going in like Jimmy Buffett and Ozzy.

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 11:18am

Tom

Good call on Memphis Minnie!

Anyways im sorry I dont know if you can just nominate Bad Company on their own

You nominated them with Free like Small Faces/The Faces and the case gets stronger and there is more longevity plus "All Right Now" is more of a Classic Rock radio staple than any Bad Company song

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 12:14pm

I apologize if someone has already made this point, I didn't read through all of the comments made so far. But what is the deal with putting Jimmy Buffett in as Musical Excellence? Buffett has long been on my snubs list, but using that back door without ever even trying to get him in through nomination first? Weird. I bet he would have been voted in as a Performer if they had just nominated him. I do like how they have been using the Musical Excellence to get artists in like Kraftwerk who are foundational but the voters are just too stupid to understand that. But Buffett? He would have gotten votes. And deservedly so, even though I'm not a huge fan, when you create a whole subculture around your music, that is some influence.

Glad to see they continue to put in important blues artists, but I have long said they need to get Sonny Boy Williamson in there as well.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 12:21pm

A Tribe Called Quest - Wu-Tang Clan
Ozzy Osbourne - Ronnie James Dio (should've been included with Sabbath)
Foreigner - Boston
Peter Frampton - Loggins and Messina, Cliff Richard and the Shadows
Dave Matthews Band - Blues Traveler, No Doubt, Sublime, Pavement
Cher - Cyndi Lauper
Mary J. Blige - Queen Latifah, Salt-N-Pepa, En Vogue, TLC
Kool & the Gang - The Meters, Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes
Dionne Warwick - Ella Fitzgerald (should've been in already if you're going down this path)
MC5 - New York Dolls
Jimmy Buffett - Warren Zevon via Musical Excellence, Harry Nilsson
Big Mama Thornton - Big Maybelle
Alexis Korner & John Mayall - JJ Cale, Big Bill Broonzy
Suzanne de Passe - Estelle Axton (come on already!)
Norman Whitfield - Ashford & Simpson

Posted by dmg on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 13:35pm

I havent really done this before but I wanted to try and predict who will make the ballot next year (even thought its still so early but we all doing it lmaoo). But Im not good at keeping track of patterns beyond the acts that im more familiar with so instead, I'll make a perfect ballot.

Potential Nominees for Class of 2025

Iron Maiden
Mariah Carey
Soundgarden
Coldplay
Luther Vandross
Outkast
Garth Brooks
Joy Division/New Order
Phil Collins
Smashing Pumpkins
The White Stripes
Fela Kuti
Beck
New York Dolls

I wanted to include far more rnb/pop artists like Patti LaBelle, Boyz II Men and Diana Ross but I feel like those slots were already full with Mariah and Luther and it always helps for induction if the field isnt too crowded for acts in those genres.

Posted by ABJ on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 15:10pm

Power and GuestG,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 17:17pm

This is pretty much my only predictions on next year's nominations so far.

Nominees

Beck - A singer songwriter still active & expect him back by next year.

Mariah Carey - A second nomination would be different for the singer.

Coldplay - A possible FYN inductee plus a headliner for the 40th anniversary.

Daft Punk - Electronic music pick would end up being Kraftwerk as side category honorees.

Melissa Etheridge - Next year's Sheryl Crow.

Iron Maiden - A third time's a charm for them & more metal to be represented.

Joy Division/New Order - Lack of post punk/new wave this year would be the speculation for their comeback.

Lenny Kravitz - Way too well - known to not make a return.

Cyndi Lauper - Cher's induction would be the turning point for Lauper.

OutKast - Tribe is now in so let focus on this duo for the honor.

The Replacements - A band being left out of ballots for 10 years would make an reentrance on the list.

Diana Ross - Would become the 4th woman to receive the "double induction" award.

Soundgarden - May become the new Rage Against the Machine with few more tries or third times a charm.

Snoop Dogg - Will receive an nomination yet would get passed over for OutKast.

Thin Lizzy - A dual classic/hard rock rock pick for the old audience.

War - Following the Spinners & Kool & The Gang as the next classic R&B act to get fully recognized.

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 18:27pm

And the predictions for the side categories as well!

Musical Excellence: Devo, Warren Zevon, Lee "Scratch" Perry, Fela Kuti

Musical Influence: Ella Fitzgerald, John Coltrane, New York Dolls

Non - performer: Estelle Axton

Posted by Ron Jenkins on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 18:33pm

Every act I think each inductee helps:

Tribe:OutKast
Mary J:ErykahBadu
DMB:Phish
Ozzy:Dio
Frampton:BryanAdams
Foreigner:Boston
Cher:DianaRoss
Koolgang:War
MC5:NYDS
Buffett:JimCroce
Warwick:JudyColins
Korner/Mayal:Free/BadCo
Bigmama:ScreaminJay

Posted by Will m on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 21:29pm

RIP Mike Pinder

Posted by Willm on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 21:35pm

My 25 biggest Rock n Roll Hall of Fame snubs for 2025 in random order

John Coltrane

Herbie Hancock

Duke Ellington

Warren Zevon

OutKast

Dr Dre

Soundgarden

Iron Maiden

King Crimson

Jethro Tull

Daft Punk

Oasis

INXS

Phil Collins

Joy Divison/New Order

Thin Lizzy

DEVO

Motorhead

Ronnie James Dio

Dick Dale

Weird Al Yankovic

Alice In Chains

Smashing Pumpkins

The Smiths

Jane's Addicton

Alanis Morissette

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 04/24/2024 @ 22:33pm

After the possible induction of the New York Dolls into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame next year, I believe Motorhead will be inducted in musical excellence in the near future. Motorhead seems to be the best successor to MC5 and the New York Dolls.

Also, I feel Warren Zevon and John Prine will be inducted in musical excellence in the future as well, similar to Jimmy Buffett.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 08:13am

Power,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 09:01am

If they nominate Zevon or Motorhead again and they feel like it won't work against on their 2nd on the main ballot then they will get Musical Excellence as I can't see that happening only after just 1 nomination

Actually I feel like Maiden will get its 3rd nomination in 2025 and they will get the Musical Excellence route

However good chance also Ronnie James Dio is headed towards the Muscial Excellence route soon

Posted by Alec Tessitore on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 10:47am

Alec Tessitore,

I don't think there are any nomination limits before being selected for musical excellence now. Jimmy Buffett completely disrupted the whole system. So now, if the Rock Hall feels it necessary, anyone can be directly chosen for musical excellence, regardless of whether they were previously not nominated, or nominated once, twice, three times, or five times.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 11:01am

The induction of the Dave Matthews Band makes me wonder if Iron Maiden will be voted in next time. Both acts are similar: big album sellers with almost no pop hit singles, and both have huge cult fan groups. Iron Maiden will have a big tour this year, which could help their chances. Some industry voters might consider voting for them since Maiden is expected to generate substantial revenue. However, one disadvantage for Maiden is that metal is still not favored by the Hall (Ozzy was inducted mainly due to his star power), whereas DMB, with its roots music influence, might be more acceptable to voters.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 11:02am

Thin Lizzy might have a better chance than Motorhead and Maiden because they have two hit classic rock singles. If placed on the right ballot (where they are the only or one of two classic rock nominees, with only 1-2 classic rock acts and the rest being alternative rock nominees), they could become the inevitable choice for white boomers, allowing them to sneak in. The question is, can Tom Morello help Thin Lizzy get nominated again, considering Thin Lizzy's popularity is definitely weaker than that of Maiden and other classic rock acts?

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 11:05am

Power,

I think thin Lizzy would do amazing with rock voters on a second shot. Although despite Phil Lynott being black, I think the majority of black voters would ignore them. The alliance of black voters seems to only extend to pop/RNB/funk/soul/rap and not rock. DMB had zero votes from black voters despite many black members.

2020 had Lizzy competing with Doobie Brothers T Rex Motörhead Soundgarden Judas Priest MC5 Pat Benatar Todd Rundgren and even NIN Depeche Mode amongst rock voters.

A ballot with only Thin Lizzy on it, or them alongside like king crimson, Thin Lizzy would soar in, a garunteed induction. Very beloved influencial acclaimed band.

Posted by Will m on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 11:17am

The discussion of thin Lizzy makes me wonder about blue oyster cult. Another beloved influential acclaimed 70s hard rock. More staples than Lizzy too. Both are far more acclaimed than foreigner or Frampton. Could BÖC be one of the next classic rock acts? I'd hope so cause I love them

Posted by Will m on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 11:21am

Maybe Motley Crue or The Scorpions are the next Metal acts to be nominated cause those are the only 2 Classic Metal acts left can I see doing well with voters

Scorpions already have a permanent exhibit in the Rock Hall's museum so

And Winds of Changes just feels so timely especially what's going on with Russia and Ukraine

Posted by Alec Teds on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 12:37pm

Now I have had more time to think of who I believe will be nominated for 2025, I think I've come up with a decent list of returning nominees and newer acts:

Returning:
Beck - I don't know how good his chances are but I'm confident they'll nominate him again. It'll still be a test to see if he could actually get in despite the respect he's gotten over the years.
Devo - if they don't nominate Joy Division/New Order, they'd pick these guys again for the main class.
Lenny Kravitz - I'm not as confident as I was earlier that he'd return but him returning wouldn't surprise me.
Cyndi Lauper - this will be her second nomination and she could easily get in this time as opposed to last.
New York Dolls - I think Todd Rundgren's induction as well as the inductions of T. Rex and Roxy Music puts them in good standing for another chance at the hilt.
Sinead O'Connor - I think the reason voters didn't choose her because they agree that her nomination was "too soon". I see her returning in 2025 and she'll likely get in this time (or not).
Soundgarden - I think it's time to put Jane's Addiction aside unless they wanna do to them what they did to MC5 for years!
Thin Lizzy - the only other 70s rock act I see that they could try to bring back.
Warren Zevon - I can see a return for him. It will still be a challenge if he could get in or not but it's worth a shot.

New:
Phil Collins - after Ozzy's induction, he's the next one to get a dual induction. I think it's almost guaranteed he'll get nominated for 2025. Especially before he passes.
Luther Vandross - I think the Hall is gonna start nominating more 1980s R&B acts than 1970s R&B acts. Meaning War is gonna have to wait, meaning the Ohio Players are gonna have to wait (or not at all). And I think this will be THE 1980s R&B nominee of next year's class. He could be a first ballot inductee but it depends on how many voters are familiar with him. Dionne's induction definitely helps his chances as well as the inductions of his bigger 1980s pop-R&B peers (Whitney, George Michael).
OutKast - the induction of A Tribe Called Quest definitely opens the door for the duo of Andre 3000 and Big Boi to finally get their long awaited nomination/induction.
Alice in Chains - as much as Soundgarden deserves induction, AIC could actually give them a run with their nomination.
Tracy Chapman - She had a big boost in recent years via the revival of Fast Car. This could interest the Hall to nominate her.
Melissa Etheridge - I don't know if they really consider her but after Sheryl Crow, she seems to be the next female rock nominee coming.

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I may be way off but these are my picks.

Those still in play for a possible return/new nod:
Mariah Carey (I think if the field doesn't have more than 2 R&B nominees, she's in there whatever year she returns, next year or even much later)
Diana Ross (like Ozzy, she has a chance to be a dual inductee and she could follow Tina Turner, Carole King and Stevie Nicks as the fourth dual female inductee, depends on how they view her in the rock era)
Lenny Kravitz (not too confident but he's not out of the woods yet)
White Stripes (this is a case of might be or might not but never say never)
Bangles (they were the only other top 80s female rock band after the Go-Gos, I want a nod but I don't know if they'll get it)
Runaways (I don't know why I'm not as confident of their chances as I was of Joan Jett's years ago but they could get a nod, would NOT surprise me. Would be well-earned too).

My picks for side door inductions:

Musical Excellence picks:
Ashford & Simpson
Burt Bacharach and Hal David
The Wailers (Bob Marley's group/band)
The Sweet Inspirations (the backing vocalists formed by Whitney Houston's mother Cissy and who sang background for RRHOF inductees such as Elvis, Aretha and Dionne)

Musical/early influence:
Roy Brown (the originator behind "Good Rockin' Tonight" and whose sound predated Little Richard and Elvis)
Marvelettes (the Motown group to help bring the label's early success, they were nominated for the main class twice so I can see them getting in through this class)
Clara Ward (how many years has it been since a gospel act got in? 2018? Clara could definitely be the next one. Without her, you really don't have Aretha)

Ahmet Ertegun:
Florence Greenburg (Scepter Records founder, without which, New Jersey greats such as Dionne Warwick and the Shirelles wouldn't have been in)
Sylvia Moy (Motown songwriter behind Stevie Wonder's cherished 1960s Motown hits)
Ed Sullivan
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Still early but I had to get my thoughts together. I was too happy when I made my initial list that I didn't really think straight lmao

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 12:38pm

Also like Deep Purple they have 2 Classic Rock radio stamps "Rock You Like a Hurricane" of course and even though it wasn't that big of a hit they had also "No One Like You"

Posted by Alec Tess on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 12:41pm

I can't see The White Stripes be nominated at least not for the next go around before well I think they will give Coldplay a shot or 2 on the ballot

And even though critics love him there are many musicians out there that can't stand Jack White so

And a lot of people in public can't see to stand him so

Posted by Alec Tess on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 12:48pm

The problem of scorpion is that although is famous in US, this band has no friends supporting them

Posted by chasingwildcat on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 12:59pm

Question

Do we think Billy Corgan making his wrestling career mainstream will help or harm the Smashing Pumpkins' chance?

He's had a number of controversies with NWA but it's also made him seem more normal. He also has kind of made it as big a part of his brand as the Pumpkins.

This new show seems to spotlight both the Pumpkins and NWA also it's on The CW so it's gonna be super accessible.

https://deadline.com/2024/04/billy-corgans-adventures-in-carnyland-sets-premiere-date-at-cw-1235892596/

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 14:47pm

Mike Pinder of The Moody Blues has died. They made arguably the first progressive rock album, so a tribute to him would be too long.

So far Mike Pinder, Dickey Betts, Denny Lane and Henry Farmborough have died since the ceremony, a very small amount compared to previous years. This class is probably too big for a tribute performance.

Living members of classes where a minority, half, or none of the inductees are still alive:

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 5/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 11/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 13/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Duane Eddy, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 11/25 (Al Green, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 19/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2012: 26/70 (Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members of each class where a majority or half of the inductees are alive:

1993: 14/28 (Ginger Baker, Jack Bruce, Tom Fogerty, Ray Manzarek, Jim Morrison, Etta James, Sherman Garnes, Frankie Lymon, Joe Negroni, Ruth Brown, Cynthia Robinson, Dick Clark, Milt Gabler, and Dinah Washington)
1998: 17/30 (Glenn Frey, Randy Meisner, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Christine McVie, Gene Vincint, Lloyd Price, Denny Doherty, Mama Cass Elliot, John Phillips, David Brown, Allan Toussaint, and Jelly Roll Morton) The most alive 20th Century class.
2001: 14/26 (Johnnie Johnson, Jake Carey, Zeke Carey, Johnny Carter, Sollie McElroy, Nate Nelson, Paul Wilson, Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury, Richie Valens, Solomon Burke, and Walter Becker)
2002: 10/20 (Chet Atkins, Gene Pitney, Issac Hayes, Joey Ramone, Johnny Ramone, Dee Dee Ramone, Tommy Ramone, Howie Epstein, Tom Petty, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 16/24 (Benny Benjamin, Floyd Cramer, Steve Douglas, Bon Scott, Malcom Young, Joe Strummer, Bobby Hatfield, and Mo Ostin)
2004: 9/18 (Chuck Barksdale, Johnny Carter, Johnny Funches, Marvin Junior, George Harrison, Prince, Jim Capaldi, Chris Wood, and Dusty Hill)
2005: 11/17 (William Powell, Percy Sledge, Pete Farndon, James Honeyman-Scott, Frank Barsalona, and Seymour Stein.)
2006: 17/28 (Miles Davis, Sid Vicious, everyone from Lynyrd Skynyrd other than Artimus Pyle, and Jerry Moss)
2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2009: 14/21 (Bill Black, DJ Fontana, Bobby Womack, Jeff Beck, Tracy Lord, Cliff Burton, and Jason "Jam-Master Jay" Mizell)
2010: 21/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Cynthia Weil, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 21/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, Eazy-E, and Bert Berns)
2017: 25/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, and Chris Squire)
2018: 16/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Denny Lane, Mike Pinder, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 14/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Tina Turner, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton, and Clarence Avant)
2022: 24/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, Harry Belafonte, and Elizabeth Cotten)
2023: 13/21 (George Michael, Everyone from the Spinners other than John Edwards, Don Cornelius, and Link Wray.)
2024: 25/43 (Phife Dawg, Leroi More, Ed Gagliardi, Ian McDonald, Ronald Bell, George Brown, Robert "Spike" Mickens, Claydes "Charles" Smith, Dennis "Dee Tee" Thomas, Ricky Westfield, Jimmy Buffet, Michael Davis, Wayne Kramer, Fred "Sonic" Smith, Rob Tyner, Norman Whitfield, Alexis Korner, and Big Mama Thorton)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 14:57pm

Follower,

Now that the mc5 are inducted, you should list Wayne Kramer as one of this years dead inductees like Denny Mike and Henry

Posted by Will m on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 15:38pm

Out of the acts who missed out on induction this year for 2024, Who do you think have the best chances at induction next year for 2025?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 16:30pm

Seems like Dennis Thompson is planning on attending the ceremony

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 16:34pm

Ritchie,

Mariah Carey 200% is returning and going straight in next year. Her snub isn't at the level Mat R predicted but there's a lot of discussion on how she failed to get in. That's not gonna happen again, it'll be another Radiohead situation

Posted by Will m on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 17:40pm

Adding my late thoughts to the inductee class this year:

-Disappointed by the expected, routine and standardized lack of women. All five female nominees were much worthier than Peter Frampton
-A bit shocked at Lenny Kravitz omission, especially after he groveled. "Friends of the Hall" induction is a one token vacancy every year (Frampton)?
-I'm old enough to remember when Frampton and Buffett were punch lines. Gen X hated them, millennials never heard of them, boomers have one foot in death's door but still the loudest voices in the room
-Joyful at Dionne Warwick, would've liked Bacharach and David to triangulate
-Big Mama Thornton finally the most significant snub in the history of this institution is rectified but in a crowded year of living and active performers so her placement in the ceremony would probably be brief
-DMB induction nudges me towards conspiracy theory. But glad to get them over with, so we can all move on
-We were all dead wrong about Mariah. Having listened to all the WCATRH Patreon episodes, Mary benefit the most from this snub. A few of those men stated they were voting for Mary because they refused to vote for Mariah. Chris Molanphy admitted to tokenizing most of his picks so he wouldn't have to vote for her. Still some some toxic, outdated opinions. Thinking now they'll always find an excuse to exclude her from their ballot, whether it's in favour of another contemporary (Lauryn Hill), overdue predecesor (Diana Ross), or glossy successor (Beyonce). She gets in eventually somehow and I'm thinking they wait another five years until she turns 60 to give her Musical Excellence
-Open up that International ("non-English") Side Category already

Posted by ChrisD on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 17:47pm

Will M,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 18:05pm

More thoughts:
-Forgot to add that an International Side Category is also useful to reward British/Anglosphere acts whom nobody knows or cares about…like Alexis Korner and John Mayall. Bring on Johnny Hallyday, Serge Gainsbourg, Fela Kuti, Miriam Makeba, Celia Cruz, Mariya Takeuchi, Joao Gilberto, Nina Hagen, Yellow Magic Orchestra, Mina, Grace Jones, Kylie Minogue
-90's dad rock is a token spot (DMBx2024) that left Lenny waiting in the wings. Still a backlog of 70's and 80's equivalents and maybe they rushed too quickly to the 90's
-Slightly disappointed at Sinead'd omission, even though I'd dismissed her as a one hit wonder. Would've been an emotional highlight in the show
-This year's ceremony will be a parade of "last hurrahs" for many
-I think Cher shows up contributing low effort. She doesn't walk the red carpet, doesn't perform. She accepts the award and exits the building. Similar to Janet Jackson's presentation

Posted by ChrisD on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 18:12pm

ChrisD,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 18:24pm

Also just a question, but am I missing something about Culture Club? Why are they never in the conversation? Is Boy George too controversial or something? Or is their musical impact only something in my head?

Duran Duran and George Michael got in, Cyndi Lauper nominated and seen as a major snub…but Culture Club??

Posted by ChrisD on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 18:28pm

Who does everyone think came dead last in the official vote?

Posted by xwing1212 on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 19:11pm

xwing,

I would guess either Sade or Jane's Addiction. I'm not saying they aren't respected or can't get in but those I feel are the ones that got the lowest support

Posted by More Than A Feeling on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 19:26pm

Who does everyone think came dead last in the official vote?

Posted by xwing1212 on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 19:54pm

I'm going to add some thoughts on this class:

I'm shocked that Mariah Carey and Lenny Kravitz both missed out, but they will be back and will both get in the next time that they are nominated.

Happy to see Mary J. Blige, Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & The Gang, Ozzy Osbourne, A Tribe Called Quest, Jimmy Buffett, MC5, Dionne Warwick and Big Mama Thornton all get in this year.

This is only the second time that the entire top five of the fan vote (Dave Matthews Band, Peter Frampton, Foreigner, Ozzy Osbourne and Cher) all got in (the first being two years ago in 2022 when Duran Duran, Eminem, Pat Benatar, Eurythmics and Dolly Parton all got in after finishing in the top five of the fan vote).

Something we haven't worth mentioned yet that this is the first time that we have had a 8 Performer inductee class in over two decades, The last time that we had 8 inductees was back in 2001, I think that official Rock Hall voters now voting for 7 people instead of 5 now has really helped the huge backlog of deserving acts waiting to get in and we're going to see 7-8 acts get in each year now.

Also worth mentioning is that 17 of the 19 nominees for the 2018 class (Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, The Moody Blues, Nina Simone, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Radiohead, The Zombies, Depeche Mode, LL Cool J, Eurythmics, Judas Priest, Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine, Chaka Khan, Link Wray and MC5), 13 of the 15 nominees for the 2019 class (The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks, Radiohead, Roxy Music, The Zombies, Todd Rundgren, LL Cool J, Kraftwerk, Rage Against The Machine, Chaka Khan and MC5), 13 of the 16 nominees for the 2020 class (Depeche Mode, The Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails, The Notorious B.I.G., T. Rex, Todd Rundgren, Kraftwerk, Pat Benatar, Judas Priest, Chaka Khan, Dave Matthews Band and MC5), 12 of the 16 nominees for the 2021 class (Foo Fighters, The Go-Go's, Jay-Z, Carole King, Todd Rundgren, Tina Turner, LL Cool J, Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine, Chaka Khan, Mary J. Blige and Dionne Warwick) and 13 of the 17 nominees for the 2022 class (Pat Benatar, Duran Duran, Eminem, Eurythmics, Dolly Parton, Lionel Richie, Carly Simon, Judas Priest, Kate Bush, Rage Against The Machine, A Tribe Called Quest, MC5 and Dionne Warwick) are now all in. The only nominees from 2018-2022 that are still not in yet are The J. Geils Band and The Meters for the 2018 class, Devo and John Prine for the 2019 class, Motorhead, Soundgarden and Thin Lizzy for the 2020 class, Devo, Iron Maiden, Fela Kuti and New York Dolls for the 2021 class and Beck, Devo, Fela Kuti and New York Dolls for the 2022 class, so that is good news for Devo, Motorhead, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy, Iron Maiden, New York Dolls and Beck getting in soon either via the Performer category or in the Musical Excellence category.

All of the 60's, 70's and early 80's (aka Baby Boomer) acts that were nominated this year got in (Cher, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & The Gang and Ozzy Osbourne plus Jimmy Buffett, MC5 (who were nominated in 2003, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2022) and Dionne Warwick (who was nominated in 2021 and 2022) in the Musical Excellence category) so this year's class is dominated by baby boomer acts and I'm so happy about that, That is good news for acts that have been previously nominated and debuted or peaked in the 60's, 70's and early 80's like Devo (nominated in 2019, 2021 and 2022), Iron Maiden (nominated in 2021 and 2023), Joy Division/New Order (nominated in 2023), Cyndi Lauper (nominated in 2023), Motorhead (nominated in 2020), New York Dolls (nominated in 2001, 2021 and 2022), The Replacements (nominated in 2014), The Smiths (nominated in 2015 and 2016), Sting (nominated in 2015), Thin Lizzy (nominated in 2020), War (nominated in 2009, 2012 and 2015) and Warren Zevon (nominated in 2023) to get in either via the Performer category or the Musical Excellence category soon. and names that debuted or peaked in the late 60's, 70's and early 80's that will appear on the ballot and get in either via the Performer category or the Musical Excellence soon as well like Diana Ross, Phil Collins, Bad Company, Jethro Tull, Boston, The Monkees, The Guess Who, Joe Cocker, The B-52's, INXS, Billy Idol, The Bangles, Tears For Fears, Bryan Adams, Harry Nilsson, Roberta Flack, Patti LaBelle, Barry White, Luther Vandross and The Pointer Sisters.

Worth noting is that the three 90's acts that were inducted this year were all previously nominated (Mary J. Blige was nominated in 2021, Dave Matthews Band was nominated and won the fan vote in 2020 and A Tribe Called Quest were nominated in 2022 and 2023), so that is good news for Beck (nominated in 2022) and Soundgarden (nominated in 2020 and 2023) the next time that they are on the ballot.

For the ones that missed out on induction this year, I think that Mariah Carey and Lenny Kravitz definitely have the best chances of getting in next year along with Sade, Oasis, Jane's Addiction and Eric B. & Rakim.

So overall, A very solid class this year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 20:08pm

I think Janes Addiction finished dead last.

I agree with Richie's analysis.

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 21:01pm

Richie

Please do more posts like that

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 21:14pm

Power,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Mat R,

I plan on doing more posts like that soon.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 21:34pm

Another name that I forgot that benefits from this year's class and will appear on the ballot and get in soon is Motley Crue.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 21:38pm

Ritchie,

I agree. Ozzy and Buffet means the most here.

Jimmy is a big concert seller, whose critically divisive but widely beloved by fans and fellow musicians, Crue fit that same bill.

Ozzy was an 80s metal star, more edged than def Leppard or bon Jovi. Crue could find a slot in based on Ozzy. and they'd add 4 more metal votes to help out say motorhead or maiden.

Posted by will m on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 23:04pm

Will m

Regarding concert sellers don't forget: Dave Matthews band was the biggest box office draw of the 2000s.

I do think box-office drawing power has been the most under valued metric here especially with rock recently (the cure, Radiohead, def Leppard, doobie bros, nin, Depeche mode, foo fighters, Duran Duran, Rage, Ozzy, DMB are all massive live draws)

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 23:14pm

Mat r

What you said bodes well for Maiden as well. Maiden is also an arena tour act for about 30-40 years in US. Maiden could sneak in as performer on the right ballot

Posted by power on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 23:48pm

I can see Jeff Buckley being on the ballot next year. He has one of the most acclaimed albums of all time and has had a lot of influence other rockers in the industry from Radiohead to Soundgarden, and despite being out of the scene since 1997 he still gets a high amount of streams with 4.2 million monthly Spotify listeners.

Posted by Ralib on Thursday, 04/25/2024 @ 23:52pm

I think Sinéad might end up in the musical excellence category in the 2025 class because a lot of music critics and columnists are still pissed that she got snubbed. I'm sure the nom com are aware of the vitriol.

Posted by Elle Dee on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 03:09am

Power

I agree I think maiden can get in on a ballot and unlike priest I don't think they'll be crammed in a side category.

They've been nominated twice against not only foo fighters and rage (two bands that also draw incredibly well but unlike maiden could headline Coachella, having general audiences matters) but also Soundgarden in 2023. If they get the Ozzy situation and they're the only harder rock act I think they can get in.

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 08:24am

One thing to point out that next year (2025) is Iron Maiden's 50th anniversary as a band, so if there was ever a perfect year to induct them into the Rock Hall, It's next year without a doubt, I'm really hoping with Ozzy's solo induction this year, that next year is finally Maiden's year especially with their 50th anniversary next year.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 08:46am

I feel Outkast and Wu Tang Clan will all be nominated in front of other hip hop snubs

Outkast has the biggest selling album in hip hop genre and one of the greatest hip hop songs of all time

Wu-Tang Clan is another obvious choice. It's not just their success as a group, but also the fact that individual members have released several platinum albums, which is truly remarkable. Inducting the Wu-Tang Clan could encompass the careers of several rap artists with platinum-selling albums.

I think these two will be the highest priority hip hop snubs for rock hall in the next.

What do you think?.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 09:41am

One name that hasn't been nominated for a few years now is Beck, He was first nominated for the 2022 class, but missed out on induction that year, Soundgarden and Dave Matthews Band were both first nominated for the 2020 class but both missed out on induction that year, Mary J. Blige was first nominated the following year for the 2021 class but missed out on induction that year, then Beck was nominated the following year for the 2022 class but missed out on induction that year, then Soundgarden came back for a second time the following year for the 2023 class but once again missed out on induction, then Mary J. Blige and Dave Matthews Band both came back for a second time this year for the 2024 class and this time, both got in, so don't be surprised to see Beck come back next year for the 2025 class and given how so much respect he has had with musicians, critics and industry people, Don't be surprised to see Beck as one of the 2025 inductees, plus the ceremony's most likely returning to Los Angeles (Beck's hometown) next year, so don't be surprised to see Beck come back and this time, get in next year for the 2025 class.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 11:05am

If the Hall decides to open up the book for more Jazz acts who is the mostly like to get honored 1st?

As much as I want it to be some one like John Coltrane or Charlie Parker

I feel like it will be someone who is still with us so they don't feel regret about leaving them out when they unfortunately leave this mortal plane so I am gonna say it will be Sonny Rollins or Herbie Hancock and mostly likely Hancock

Posted by Alec Tess on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 11:45am

Alec tess

Maybe more in influence which reminds

Mc5 and Warwick getting excellence rather than influence and the influence inductees being both proto rock and almost traditional blues...any one think they might be going back to making influence more non-rock/pop?

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 12:56pm

Humble Pie will probably never get into the Rock Hall but Steve Marriott who is with Small Faces and now Peter Frampton is still good representation of the band in the Hall

Posted by Alec Tess on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 13:18pm

Mat r

This year, you can see that the two inductees in the influence category primarily impacted British music, with little direct influence on American music. Does this suggest that the Rock Hall's side category committee is becoming more open to introducing non-US musicians whose influence isn't centered on American music? Historically, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's criteria would not have allowed for the induction of artists who only influenced popular British musicians in the US, rather than directly influencing many American musicians and styles. Does this mean that artists who are very influential in the UK but less so in the US, like Cliff Richard, or even bands like The Jam, Stone Roses, Blur, and Pulp, might have a chance to be selected by the side category? Or that we might soon see artists like Serge Gainsbourg, Fela Kuti, or Jacques Brel inducted in side category?

Posted by power on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 13:28pm

xwing1212,

Who I think came dead last? Sade likely.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 13:29pm

ChrisD,

CC might be perceived as a technical one-hit wonder. Despite scoring many transatlantic hits between 1982-86, they're primarily known as the band behind "Karma Chameleon", which is their signature song. But who knows? They could be a contender. George Michael is in (and I think they credit the Wham hits to him solely), Eurythmics, Depeche Mode and Duran Duran are in. But my guess is Culture Club have yet to make a serious case for an induction. Hope I'm wrong.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 13:33pm

@Timothy Pernell:

I think that one monster hit is enough for consideration. Many people don't even have a single hit, a few of those types were inducted this year. But they would have at least two songs in contention for their signature song no? Karma Chameleon and Do You Really Want to Hurt Me? The legacy of their 80's cultural cachet is as least equal to Duran Duran? And it's not like they had to be reassessed like Duran Duran, since they won Best New Artist at the Grammys.

Boy George has quietly been active across media throughout the decades, similarly to Cyndi. He's currently on Broadway in Moulin Rouge I believe. I mean crudely speaking the Hall would fulfill some neglected queer quota with Culture Club.

They were on the Hall's radar before with their song Time Clock of the Heart included in their 500 Songs that Shaped Rock. It wasn't even a major hit in the grand scheme of things and not the most recognized in their canon.

Honestly I'm officially an advocate for Culture Club and I'll be spamming comment sections in fansites, forums and podcasts until they're on their radar.

Posted by ChrisD on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 14:04pm

ChrisD,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 14:08pm

personally Ive never brought up culture club cause I dislike them,

but my opinion is irrelevant. I don't see them as very critically acclaimed nor fondly remembered. they're not on critic best of lists (clock of the heart being on the 500 songs rock hall list is very interesting tho).

in response to your points on their worthiness Chris, for queer rep, just go with the B-52 s who have far more acclaim and obvious influence (and are better but my opinion is irrelevant).

CC are definitely not on the level of DD. Duran has had much longer sustained critical and commercial success without having to resort to becoming tabloid fodder like boy George did. and durans music is more acclaimed and looked back on fondly than CC. Duran had a genuine renaissance of appreciation after having initially being maligned by critics for many years. culture club had no such re evaluation.

and if they're gonna induct any act whose recorded "do you want to hurt me" put in violent femmes. the song is so bad I don't even like the femmes cover, but I LOOOOOVE violent femmes-put them in.


as for my opinion which needs no justifications-i think karma chameleon, do you really want to hurt me, time clock of the heart, all those songs are annoying. and I dont like boy georges voice either. its all so plasticy. in my view, culture club are the point where "new wave" stopped reffering to more palatable yet artisier strains of punk-like DEVO Elvis Costello The Police the cars blondie etc, to begin referring to plasticy pop groups the majority of which I think are crap. I'm not being polite, for that I apologize but personally, I cannot see how culture club are a hall worthy band. I'm queer myself, and I think boy George is a complete hack.

as for genuine evidence they are not well regarded nowadays, on rate your music, only 2 of their albums are above a 3.0.

Posted by will m on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 14:34pm

for the sake of making another list here are my 25 biggest snubs

Screamin Jay Hawkins
King Crimson
Jethro Tull
DEVO
Thin Lizzy
Pixies
Warren zevon
Runaways
B52s
New York Dolls
Janes Addiction
Violent Femmes
Soundgarden
Blue Oyster cult
Motorehead
Maiden
DIO
Misfits
Buzzcocks
Smiths
Replacements
Squeeze
Siouxsie and Banshees
JD/NO
Weezer

Posted by will m on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 14:53pm

extending it to 30, (these didn't include any technicaliteis like double/snubbed members/bands or session players)
steppenwolf
Free/Bad Company
Alice in chains
bauhaus
television

Posted by will m on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 15:03pm

@Will M:

Can I assume that you're British? Seems like opinions across the Atlantic are polarized lmfao. I guess that's why Boy George has spent more time in the States lately. He's been stunt casted on Broadway right now to help sell tickets, and it's going well for all I know.

I'm not sure how much worth my narrow perspective has, since I was born well after their imperial pop phase, but have always thought of them at least an equal peer to Duran Duran as a relic of the New Romantics, at least in image...like in the way you would go to an 80's themed bar night...there would be Cyndi Lauper, Eurythmics, Duran Duran and Culture Club on the poster. When you zoom in on the minutiae, that might not equal quantitative acclaim, but others have got in for much, much, much less.

Posted by ChrisD on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 15:07pm

@Richie

I'm bad at making predictions, especially when it relates to metal, punk, hard rock, etc. since I have no gauge of their influence. And it seems like they're consistently the "most snubbed". I'm still in favour of inducting the centrist pop stars, as a poptimist myself *side smirk emoji*

Most of the people I'm rooting for have absolutely no hope of recognition outside the remote chance of an International Side Category. For example, the three most pervasive non-English genres in the American musical landscape today are Reggaeton, K-pop and Afrobeats. So I'm in favour of recognising their regional foremothers. Yes, foreMOTHERS:
LatAm: Celia Cruz
East Asia: Mariya Takeuchi
Africa: Miriam Makeba

Posted by ChrisD on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 15:24pm

chrisd,

nah I'm American and a new Yorker, I've not seen moulin rouge with him in it but I did hear good things. I think you're right where images of BG would be posted next to cyndi or George Micheal on an 80s night poster, but that doesn't really equal acclaim in my eyes. just name recognition. sorta like msifits tho I believe they're worthy for a whole host of other reasons. and to CC's credit, they're songs certainly aren't forgettable, karma chameleon is often on pop radio. but I dont believe that equates into acclaim y'know?

like euythmics, I really only know and love Sweet Dreams are made of these. but that song is so legendarily amazing that you cant dispute euythmics belonging in the rock hall. culture club don't have a song that is trancendatly amazing like that.

interestingly, despite their importance, euthymics are kinda a one hit wonder in America I think. moreso than DEVO, who overcame that OHW tag through all the years of nerds like me insisting they aren't. not an insult against euthymics btw

Posted by will m on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 15:29pm

Will M,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 15:35pm

Ritchie,

I have extreme confidece that Mariah will return to the ballot and get inducted. honestly, I could see a ballot consisting mostly of returning nominees. kinda a counterpoint to this year, seeing as so many heavy hitters lost out, oasis Lenny Mariah Sade are all extremely popular.

Posted by will m on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 16:15pm

If the Hall of Fame wanted to do some serious reaching out they should nominate Vince Clarke. Yes, he was inducted for his work with DepecheMode; but, thats a mere fraction of what this guy has done. His work with Alison Moyet and later Andy Bell cements him as a real pioneer in electronic music. If anyone from the committee is reading these posts it's high time you listed Vince Clarke, he is truly deserving. Along with artists like Kate Bush, Roxy Music, Peter Gabriel he needs to be finally included.

Posted by RapeOfTheSabines on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 16:16pm

literally why would you make your username that? out of all the possible usernames... good lord

Posted by will m on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 16:39pm

Power,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 20:19pm

Shocking twist for 2025

Sufjan Stevens fans are stoked that he's eligible

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 21:01pm

Nominating Committee member Alan Light says he was told that the 6th, 7th, and 8th place finishers were all within a few votes of each other so the Rock Hall put them all in. He also heard there was more distance between 8th and 9th place than between 1st and 8th.

The new voting rules this year might have led to more ties and smaller vote margins between the inductees. For example, it's possible that many voters cast their votes for almost all nominees such as Ozzy Osbourne, Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, and Peter Frampton, resulting in a similar number of votes for those who were finally inducted.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 21:13pm

Power,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 21:20pm

richie,

Return Nominees:
Beck (22)
Devo (19, 21, 22)
Mariah Carey (I am shocking she does not even ever near the finish line according to Alan Light's statement, she may actualy have many industry enemies)
Soundgarden (20, 23)
Iron Maiden (21, 23)
Eric B & Rakim (12, 24)
Cyndi Lauper (23)

New Nominees:
Coldplay
Luther Vandross
Outkast
Phil Collins
Bryan Adams
Alanis Morissette
TLC (Rick Krim has relation with TLC, this is a name will be brought up soon just like Oasis. Rick Krim actually has powers)

My guess of performer Inductees from my list: Coldplay, Outkast, Phil Collins, Luther Vandross, Cyndi Lauper, Mariah Carey, Bryan Adams, Devo (If 8)

Posted by power on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 21:46pm

Power,

As much as I love Coldplay, I just have a really hard time seeing them getting in on their first nomination especially if Radiohead, The White Stripes and Oasis all couldn't get in on their first nomination, so I see Coldplay doing the same.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 22:00pm

richie

Coldplay is more famous than white stripes, Radiohead and Oasis in US. Even old people like Willie Nelson covered Coldplay songs. Also, Chris Martin is more friendly with industry people than likes of Thom Yorke, Jack White and Gallagher Brothers.

But yes nothing is guaranteed, especially after the shocking failure of Mariah Carey in this year (she did not even near the finish line, she was way from being voted in). Any big acts could actually fail.

Posted by power on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 22:06pm

Being able to vote for seven candidates makes ties more likely, so I believe that having 8-9 performer inductees in future classes will become the norm.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 22:51pm

Being able to vote for seven candidates makes ties more likely, so I believe that having 8-9 performer inductees in future classes will become the norm.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 22:51pm

Ya know what I would change if I was the hall: the calender.

Like why not break up when you announce the inductees and categories (like do a category a month between Jan and March with the performers in April)? Why not like do a special in the summer of a pair of tributes to your influence and me inductees filmed at the Hall as like Disney+ specials so they get a better spotlight?

God this current hall calendar sucks

Like I gotta imagine the hall, Disney, Skyes, and krim could pull of a quickie turnaround series of 30 minute behind the music type episodes on each performer inductee that could be rolled out over August to the ceremony

Posted by Mat r on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 23:28pm

Mat R,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Friday, 04/26/2024 @ 23:42pm

Iron Maiden is set to celebrate their 50th anniversary next year and they have started a U.S. tour this year which will continue into next year, featuring arena-sized venues. The year 2025 represents a prime opportunity for them. If they are nominated but not inducted next year, it's likely we'll see them chosen in 2026 through the musical excellence category. Indeed, large-scale tours can significantly boost a candidate's profile. For instance, Rage Against The Machine's brief return in 2022 helped secure their induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2023.

What do you think?

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 04:09am

Alan Light recently said the top 8 inductees of this class had far more votes than the 7 who didn't get in. Meaning acts like Mariah and Sade may have a harder time getting in looking forward. It's likely Mariah does have enemies in the industry that were like "nah". Wouldn't surprise me. Could also explain that, despite her accolades, why Diana has never been considered for even a nomination.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 04:29am

Yeah I think we're overestimating Mariah's chances, which is why I am portending that the nomcom gives her one more try, pushed by whomever her internal advocate is (maybe Questlove or Danyel Smith), while the rest sets her up for failure again, either by putting Lauryn Hill or Cyndi Lauper or both on the same ballot; and if or when she doesn't get it, then they keep her off to side door her in a few years when she turns 60. Because when the Beyonces and Taylors become eligible, then she'll be old news.

Actually I see a lot of overlap between Mariah and Diana. Mariah is kind of like a modern day Diana Ross in the 80's. The apex diva veteran who's on a lateral (but flat) career path in her 50's, but who pops up in broader culture from time to time. In the 80's Diana would host award shows and manage sparse top 40 hits. Mariah has Christmas all to herself, and has had a few songs trending on TikTok.

I think most people thought Diana was a slam dunk winner of the Traditional Pop Vocal Album last year, giving her her first competitive Grammy, but they ended up giving it to their evergreen winner Michael Buble. It's a shame that people are holding grudges against an octogenarian???

Their perception has to be something about their career-focused personal relationships with their svengalis. Also their hyper femme presentation.

Posted by ChrisD on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 06:12am

Hey so I was gonna write a longer post on this (still will) but I did talk to my inductee link about this class

Regarding Mariah he said he finds her too annoying to vote for. When I asked about the down the line contenders (Beyonce, Britney) he finds them as or more annoying (especially Beyonce).

He said Mariah has a great voice but cause she's annoying and Sade was on the ballot he went with Sade cause he likes her voice too.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 07:55am

Also I don't believe Alan light at all here cause basically it would mean everyone who didn't get in is a total flop and shouldn't be nominated again for a decade or something. It also suggests uniform voting which makes no sense given the size of the voting body.

I think he's trying to justify 8 inductee

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 08:03am

Mat R,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 08:34am

Mat r

I think what Alan Light said makes sense mathematically. For example, it's possible that the first to eighth places each received five to six hundred votes, and the rest got one to two hundred, two to three hundred, or three to four hundred votes, which fits the scenario he described.

What do you think?

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 08:35am

Or I think part of his statement is correct, while another part is debatable. For instance, it's probable that the vote counts for #6 to #8 are quite similar. It's also likely that there is a significant gap between #8 and #9. However, the gap between #1 and #8 being smaller than that between #8 and #9 makes sense statistically, but it could also be Alan Light exaggerating to emphasize how solid the top 8's voting situation is. Nonetheless, I tend to believe that this scenario is very possible. Because voting for 7 could indeed result in some unexpected outcomes, who knows.

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 08:49am

Power

It makes sense mathematically but in terms of likelihood it doesn't.

Like dmb had no support among critics and writers from what we saw, if that trend held he'd need to appear on probably over 60% of returned ballot from everyone else while Sinead, Mariah, Lenny, and oasis and even kool and the gang got under 20% and 30% to produce this result.

You need a lot of voter magic to happen

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 08:57am

The oldest Xers were teenagers in the late 70's and early 80's for music that is typically associated with younger Boomers (Foreigner, Ozzy).

The oldest Millennials were teenagers in the mid-to-late 90's for music that is typically associated with younger Xers (DMB, Mary J. Blige).

There aren't hard boundaries between generations, especially when it comes to music. There's tons of overlap at the edges.

Just thought I'd point this out. :-)

Posted by TGC on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 09:12am

The only way what he's saying makes sense is if the gap is like 31 votes vs 37 votes and the whole class was super duper close. Overall and the actual gap was really quite small

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 09:13am

Mat R

I'm not quite sure how many critics voted, it's possible that critics and writers together only make up a minority (maybe less than 200 votes), which might not have a significant impact. Then, living inductees might have around 500-600 votes, and the rest are industry insiders (I estimate 500-600 votes).

It's possible that industry insiders have surprisingly consistent opinions, all voting for 4 classic rock or classic rock-related acts (DMB, OZZY, FOREIGNER, Peter) along with Mary J Blige and Cher, so it's not impossible for these individuals to have similar vote counts.

Moreover, it's uncertain if the ballot tracker can truly reflect all critics' thoughts since it only samples 30 people, but many critics didn't show their ballots in public.

It's unclear, this year is just too strange, voting for 7 might lead to many different outcomes. Who would have thought before that Mariah Carey would end up in the bottom half of the candidates?

Strange things can happen. However, I think the two points Alan Light made are very likely correct: the vote counts between #6 and #8 are quite close, and there's a significant gap between #8 and #9. But the gap between #1 and #8 being smaller than that between #8 and #9 might be him exaggerating (I can't completely refute or agree with this possibility).

BTW, I look forward to you revealing more about your conversation with that past inductee.

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 09:15am

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 09:20am

Power

Guy's grandkid didn't know Kool and the gang so they ended up doing it together sweet story.

He did Sade, Ozzy, foreigner, Frampton, Kool, oasis (grandson lobbied), and tribe (grandson lobbied)

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 10:04am

Mat R,

Thanks for your info.

I remember last year you mentioned three past inductees, I want to know which one of the three this person is.

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 10:09am

Mat R,

Are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Black Flag, Boston, Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Devo, Ice Cube, Iron Maiden, Jane's Addiction, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Oasis, OutKast, Pink, Sade, War and "Weird Al" Yankovic) and 2025 inductees (Boston, Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Oasis, OutKast and War if 8 inductees again plus Devo via Musical Excellence) the same as before?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 10:16am

Power

Guy who gives his ballot to his grandkid. Old white rock guy

Will note he dislikes Frampton's music but voted for him cause he can play and hopes it gets Carmine Appice, Randy Bachman, or ELP a shot

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 10:18am

Mat r,

The Appieces, Vinny and carmine, are 2 of the best drummers in rock history but neither I don't think can get in with a band (unless Vinny goes in with dio).

For carmine, vanilla fudge have one song, cactus are kinda an asterisk, Whitesnake and rainbow will never happen, and the Jeff Beck group (yea he was BBA but still) are dead in the water until they do a backing band redux.

I think carmine would have to be AME and that'd kill the fudge and Cactus chances of getting in ever.

Posted by Will m on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 10:24am

Upon further inspection, neither Appiece was in Whitesnake or rainbow. Idk why I thought this

Posted by Will m on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 10:37am

Will m

He mentioned no band just Carmine. He actually would not shut up about carmine, Randy, ELP, tommy James, (I think) Paul Anka, and most surprisingly Lita ford not being in

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 10:44am

Mat r,

Did he mention Vinny or Tim Bogert? This guy must be a huge carmine fan. That'll be a good clue for who he is. I'll look into who he's played with, My best guess is geezer butler (there's no way it's actually Geez). I'll have to think about other Long Island inductees too maybe it's a location thing (there's absolutely zero chance that it's billy Joel or Pat Benatar, and Lou Reed is dead so not them).

Posted by Will m on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 11:14am

Will m

Did not mention them. I will say I don't think they ever played together

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 11:16am

Mat R,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2024 (Mary J. Blige, Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & The Gang, Ozzy Osbourne, A Tribe Called Quest, Jimmy Buffett, MC5, Dionne Warwick, Alexis Korner, John Mayall and Big Mama Thornton) next year for 2025?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 12:48pm

I really really want Wu-Tang Clan and Outkast to be inducted.

Five snubs I want most:
1. Joy Division/New Order
2. Outkast
3. Iron Maiden
4. Wu Tang Clan
5. Devo

Posted by power on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 13:01pm

Power,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2024 (Mary J. Blige, Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & The Gang, Ozzy Osbourne, A Tribe Called Quest, Jimmy Buffett, MC5, Dionne Warwick, Alexis Korner, John Mayall and Big Mama Thornton) next year for 2025?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 14:42pm

Who was the voter that gave the ballot to his grandson?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 14:47pm

What's interesting is that if you look on Ranker.com Mariah is nowhere near close to the top of the list. She's #800 something. I think her popularity far outweighs her musical influence and acclaim within the industry. She has one timeless song (Fantasy) that is lauded by critics and one timeless christmas song. That should be enough to get her in considering someone like Darlene Love is in but the hall doesn't real care much about popularity it's a club and if they don't respect you, you just wont get in, or will have a hard time no matter how popular you are.

I think Mariah will get in eventually unless she continues to be snubbed and the newer generation of voters forgets her outside of her Christmas legacy.

Posted by Ralib on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 15:34pm

Ralib,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 15:37pm

Inductee take from the class. Again he's an old white rock guy. Didn't wanna go on the record or record the chat so forgive me

Voted for inductees

Ozzy - happy Ozzy got in. Voted for him despite not having voted for Sabbath. Thinks Ozzy is an icon of rock

Frapton - not a fan of Frampton, thinks the Alive album isn't all that good. Does think Frampton is good at guitar.

Kool and the gang - thinks they're cheesy but is impressed by how massive celebration is

Foreigner - really happy about this. Thinks mick and Phil are great. Envious of their number of top 10 hits. Didn't get how it took so long. Hopes they play "hot blooded" at the ceremony so there's some old fashion rock n roll on display

Tribe - doesn't know them really grandson pushed him. Heard a few songs on YouTube and thought it was ok for rap.

Other inductees

Cher - didn't vote for her cause he thinks it should have been Sonny and Cher cause the music is better. Says sonny was a massive part of Cher's career and success and also should have been given the honour. Does think cher belongs in.

Mary j Blige - doesn't know her. Is shocked two *rap" acts got in. Listened to a few songs on YouTube after and wasn't big on it but thinks she has style.

Dave Matthews band - like Dave Matthews but does not care for his music. Thinks it's imitation grateful dead. Thinks my morning jacket and hootie are better than dmb and phish.

Other acts he voted for

Oasis - likes that one album but needed to be pushed to vote for them

Sade - loved their 80s work. Hasn't kept up with them but adores smooth operator and no ordinary love. Think Sade has the same vibe as Bryan ferry. Hopes she gets another try next year.

Other acts

Sinead - doesn't think one hit wonders should be in the hall and thinks the photo was one of the most disgusting acts he's ever seen.

Lenny Kravitz - shocked he didn't get in. Thinks Lenny is super cool and that "fly away" is a top song of the 90s.

Mariah Carey - she's talented but annoying. Thinks the Christmas song is bad and hates listening to it every day from October to January.

Categories

Alexis Korner and John mayall - they deserve it

Big Mama Thornton - thinks elvis's hounddog is better and thinks her importance is overstated in recent years but has no issue with her getting in.

Mc5 - communists band that made a few good records

Jimmy Buffett - deserves it

Dionne Warwick - she's so nice. Happy she got in

Eric b and Rakim and Jane's addiction - has no idea who they are. YouTubed both and found Jane's addiction bad and Eric b and Rakim ok.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 17:37pm

@Ralib:

*Long post warning*

Yeah I think we've all ruminated about Mariah here since she was revealed as a nominee. Discourse about her objective influence on the sonic progression of pop music is redundant at this point. Most people would agree that she has a credible argument for being in the top 3 most influential female centrist pop singers of the last quarter century. I guess what most people were shocked by, was the starkly delineated distaste for her in the significant margin of RRHOF voters, that she would end up in the bottom tier of vote getters on this year's ballot. Also, having listened to all the WCATRH Patreon episodes, every single last one of the critic/writer/podcaster type who they interviewed, and who claims the following attributes: white, male, straight, 50+ years (Gen X-Boomer) old, were openly hostile to the idea of voting for her, and were brazen about dissenting from their usual voting criteria just so they wouldn't have to vote for her.

I'm actually kind of baffled by the whole thing, mostly because I haven't found a satisfying answer to it yet. One hypothesis is that Hall voters find her "annoying" for the way she leverages a hyper femme presentation, coquettish sexuality and camp personality that stops shy of girl boss female empowerment, which is the most basic way many of those men are able to perceive feminism. Cher and Mary J Blige are also sexual, which they brandish to break into the boy's club, and it's that "spirit of rock and roll" that make them fluent to the Hall's male voter. If I'm not getting my point across yet, I watched one of Mariah's interviews where she was asked what she would be if she were a man, and she answered, "a drag queen". Ask any of those male voters what their opinion of drag queens are.

There's also the more fundamental issue of people still not being able to compartmentalize her in a way that helps visibilize her strengths. Actually she's always contended with dualities, from the obvious one being race, how she's never been fully nuzzled in either white or black. Generationally, she's ten years too young to be in the musical genius club of MJ, Prince and Madonna, but ten years too old to be in the musical genius club of Beyonce. Musically, people still have trouble interpreting her place in genre, that they didn't know if she was the direct competitor of pop diva Cher, or R&B diva Mary J Blige. Well, she ended up losing to both.

Historically, her place in the industry and treatment from the critical establishment was always pretty fraught, but also not really. She was in an interesting place. They liked her compared to Celine Dion, but hated her compared to Aretha Franklin. They couldn't ignore her objective popularity or her objective talent, but were always willing to dangle the prize just a few inches above her head where she couldn't reach. For example, she has had more Grammy nominations than Madonna, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston. But she's actually won the least out of them (aside from Janet, who she is tied with). She has had more General Field nominations than all of them, but never won.

Posted by ChrisD on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 18:13pm

Mat R,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 19:05pm

I kept saying that no one knew what box to put Mariah in: pop diva? R&B artist? Hip-hop adjacent act? Or worse, one of those "annoying AC acts". There are also others who think she fits the Celine box more than the Aretha/Whitney box (odd cause in her early career, they compared her to Whitney a LOT). Someone like Whitney and Madonna were more straightforward entries because their places in history were far more secured (it might've taken a decade for the former but once her name was announced, I think a lot of voters in the Gen X-Boomer side of things easily picked her because they likely own a Whitney album or two or three but won't have a Mariah album). Like Whitney and Aretha have songs that are some of the most beloved anthems of their eras (Respect, I Wanna Dance with Somebody, I Will Always Love You, Natural Woman, etc.) whereas Mariah, despite having a song that's supposed to be beloved (Fantasy) is still mostly known for a holiday song.

There's also the possibility that the other female/female-adjacent nominees produced far more interesting music than Mariah. I mean, you're putting a woman who put out AC ballads like Love Takes Time, Hero and One Sweet Day next to a feminist, "boss girl" hip-hop/R&B act (MJB), a feminist rocker (Sinead), a diva with far more adventurous catalog than she's given credit for (Cher) and a band led by one of the most seductive and smooth R&B divas in the history of the genre (Sade). And then you compare it to a woman whose material was heavily criticized back in the day. If that was the case, she stood no chance.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see if she ever gets another stab at it and if not, then that'll give us the true answer, I guess.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 19:36pm

Timothy Pernell,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 19:43pm

@Timothy Pernell:

Well there's some cognitive dissonance there but most of your points circle back to my observation that Chris Molanphy and the like are systematically weighing one person's weakness (ie. AC ballads that make up one third of her total career) against all other women's strengths, and even giving some the benefit of the doubt. For all those who see "girl boss hip hop Mary J Blige", there's also the fact that she's chronically off key with limited range; "feminist rocker Sinead" is a time-stamped one hit wonder; "diva with underrated adventurous catalogue Cher" is an historical trend hopper with no real musicianship; "seductive smooth Sade" is musically limited to Quiet Storm which is just black AC.

Musically we're probably beyond deliberation on whether she's good or bad. The talent is there, the impact is there. They see it, but they choose to ignore it, and my question was "why". THAT is what I find most fascinating about the Mariah situation. Because there are predecessors who have had less qualifiers (less talent, musical impact, career longevity, commercial success) who haven't faced a similar challenge. And all roads are pointing to successors who've benefit from the Mariah sonic legacy and won't face the same challenge either.

Posted by ChrisD on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 21:18pm

ChrisD,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2024 (Mary J. Blige, Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & The Gang, Ozzy Osbourne, A Tribe Called Quest, Jimmy Buffett, MC5, Dionne Warwick, Alexis Korner, John Mayall and Big Mama Thornton) next year for 2025?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 21:32pm

To elaborate on the inductee thoughts about Mariah from the chat

- I don't think he sees her as AC or RnB. He seems to see her as bubblegum pop.

- he singled out "all I want for Christmas" as the first song he thinks of when he hears her name and it's annoying.

- he sees Beyonce and Britney as similar acts and also annoying. Sees gaga as different more in line with Madonna, doesn't know taylor that well

- doesn't think any of her hits matter aside from the Christmas one

- doesn't think she's as glamourous/stylish as cher, Mary J, and sade. Think Mariah looks like plastic

Hope that's helpful

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 21:49pm

Mat r,

Who is this person?

Posted by Follower on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 21:55pm

Follower

I've mentioned him before. Won't name him but he's an old white rock musician (not a singer) who was inducted ages ago. He gives his ballot away to family members to fill in for him. I think he lives in New York but he's possibly in Newark.

I talked with him last year and he.just wants ELP and Tommy James nominated (but now seems to really want Carmine Appice and Randy Bachman to get in also).

I texted him in Thursday and he said we could talk and we talked a bit about the class.

Posted by Mat r on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 22:05pm

A really sad, sad class. Wow, let anybody in.

Posted by Jostie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 22:25pm

No matter how Mariah Carey's fans defend her, it doesn't change the perception that many voters have of her. She is not as respected as her fans might think. Moreover, many of her so-called contributions, such as integrating hip-hop elements, are viewed as trends that only became popular in recent years. Many voters might not understand the recent "reversal" in Mariah's reputation, similar to their confusion over why Taylor Swift consistently receives positive reviews. Mariah Carey herself is considered more mainstream and not particularly innovative or artistically strong, so she does not receive the level of respect her fans might expect. Indeed, in the eyes of many voters, she may align more with Celine Dion rather than with artists like Madonna or Whitney Houston. Additionally, Mariah has influenced younger, more mainstream artists, whereas Mary J. Blige has had a greater impact on more "cool" musicians.

Posted by willie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 22:55pm

read on steve hoffman forum

Someone said Mariah Carey personally rejected the award in order to giving Mary J Blige full light.

Is that true?

Posted by willie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 23:17pm

willie,

It was the guy that I not only unfollowed but also ignored on the Steve Hoffman forums as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 23:22pm

willie,

It was from the guy that I not only unfollowed, but also ignored on the Steve Hoffman forums as well.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 23:32pm

richie,

Could you explain more? I do not understand what you mean sorry.

Posted by willie on Saturday, 04/27/2024 @ 23:55pm

mat r

On Sinead - Tell that white rock guy that if Sinead doesn't deserve to get in because of having one major hit song in America, then Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed, Janis Joplin, Nina Simone, Grateful Dead, Roxy Music, T. Rex, Patti Smith, Kate Bush don't deserve to get in because they all qualify as "one-hit wonders" in America.

Obviously, I don't view them as one-hit wonders, especially Nina, Kate, Roxy, and Rex. They're too important to be labeled as one-hit wonders. Same goes with Sinead. I'm sick and tired of the lame, bs contradictory from idiots who would try to find ridiculous reasons why Sinead shouldn't be in the hall. If Alanis and Fiona get inducted one day, it would be stupid to leave Sinead out because she's a major influence to them.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 00:36am

mat r

On Sinead - Tell that old white rock guy that if Sinead doesn't deserve to get in because of having one major hit song in America, then Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed, Janis Joplin, Nina Simone, Grateful Dead, Roxy Music, T. Rex, Patti Smith, Kate Bush don't deserve to get in because they all qualify as "one-hit wonders" in America.

Obviously, I don't view them as one-hit wonders, especially Nina, Kate, Roxy, and Rex. They're too important to be labeled as one-hit wonders. Same goes with Sinead. I'm sick and tired of the lame, bs contradictory from idiots who would try to find ridiculous reasons why Sinead shouldn't be in the hall. If The Cranberries, Sarah McLachlan, Alanis, and Fiona get inducted one day, it would be stupid to leave Sinead out because she's a major influence to them.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 00:40am

Mat r,

I can see why he would think that. Some of Mariah's songs do give off that impression (bubblegum pop). Some people even thought she regressed in her sound at a certain point to keep up with the younger acts in the industry. Like she added choreography to her act in the late 90s and we know that was not how she started out.

Plus the "plastic" allegations definitely followed her like a virus. She never quite beat those allegations though I don't think she's plastic per se. But I can see why that voter may feel the way he do and why he felt MJB was more "authentic".

That may not have been everyone's belief about Mariah but I think the majority do think this. The Christmas song being popular also went against her in the fact, like the dude in the chat pointed out, no other hit she had was more important than that one and if it's an opinion shared by those who voted Mary and Cher over her, then OUCH.

That said, I still think she has a chance entering but we're just gonna have to wait and see if they do.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 02:01am

What about the Monkees? If it is possible that this band will be nominated and inducted in the next year.

After foreigner and peter frampton, the monkees could be the next, who was blacklisted in Jann Wenner era.

Posted by willie on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:42am

Honestly speaking, Sinead is way less influential than Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed, Janis Joplin, Nina Simone, Grateful Dead, Roxy Music, T. Rex, Patti Smith, Kate Bush... She is definitely on a lower level than these acts.

Posted by willie on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:52am

richie,

Could you explain more? I do not understand what you mean sorry.

Posted by willie on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:52am

@Willie:

So I guess my question is larger than this forum. Because I see the contradictions in your logic as much as I did in Chris Molanphy's and Roy Trakin's. I've been a Mariah fan for many years, more so on the mid-to-high range considering how violently off the scale committed many of her fans can be (I'll watch a YouTube interview from time to time if the algorithm suggests, but still not entirely apprised of her deeper lore) and even I know that straight old white men have always had a problem with her. And figuring out why is a fun sociocultural exercise.

The mainstream argument barely holds in isolated terms, but then in relative terms it shatters, especially when the benchmark is Madonna or Whitney. Are they too not "mainstream"? Being at the centre top of the pop culture attention span has always been Madonna's target. Whitney stayed in MOR AC much longer from her first to last album.

The "reversal" of Mariah's reputation is entirely credited to the changing demographics of music critics in a poptimist era while the Mariah generation is still tainted by those early reviews. Ariana Grande is someone who has benefit from this change, for example, her last album has a higher metacritic score than any Mariah album. Listening to that Ariana album just reinforces how much of a progeny she is of the very same sound Mariah was criticized for.

Thinking about generational bias I think brings me a little closer to a satisfying answer. Whitney and Janet snuck in just in time before the rock critical establishment evolved into the crabby old men's club hardened with the "music was better in my day" perspective; which is ironically the same way the Sinatra generation treated rock. She's considered a peer of the Reagan era superstars because her popularity allowed her to sit at that same table, in fact she steamrolled right past a few of them within a few short years, even though she's much younger and debuted much later. Musically she's closer to what the Aaliyah and Brandy generation were doing. But again, there are traits of her having peddled in both previous and newer musical outputs.

Also I guess that even lay people are having trouble interpreting her consistently because why do I see some proselytizing her as a Christmas one hit wonder, when she literally has had more hits than any other solo artist in history lol. Just the same there are spokespeople for collective memory arbitrating classics and non classics, when her granular catalogue has arguably done better through the evolving phases of the music industry, from physical to digital to streaming.

Ex: number of tracks with 100 million+ streams on Spotify:
Madonna: 14
Whitney: 12
Janet: 4
Mariah: 24 (20 are non-Christmas related for what it's worth)

Posted by ChrisD on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 04:54am

No, Whitney Houston, even if she were nominated this year, would easily be inducted. Meanwhile, Mariah Carey did not even make it into the top half of the voting results. Mariah Carey's music is quite cheesy, and she mainly influences other cheesy artists. That's why voters have a bias against her. Don't blame her lack of success on discrimination by white men, Whitney doesn't face that issue.

Posted by willie on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:30am

7 horn players being inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame this year! That's the most ever! All coming from Kool & the Gang, Foreigner, and Dave Matthews Band.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 05:32am

willie

I disagree. Sinéad was highly influential among female singer/songwriters in alt-rock. I placed her in the same category as Kate Bush because they paved the way for the likes of Tori, PJ, Dolores, Liz, Sarah, Alanis, Fiona.

There's a reason why you would see her albums "The Lion and the Cobra" and "I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got" on lists of the best albums of all time because she was an artist who was way ahead of time with her look, sound, and dark confessional songwriting (who was singing about being a survivor of child abuse in 1987 and suffering three miscarriages in 1990?). She was someone who women like Liz, Tori, Sarah, Alanis, Fiona look up to. She was deified by women in music as an iconic force of nature in her music and attitude.

Sure her mainstream American popularity (1987-1992) was brief, but her influence on the women who came after her shouldn't be ignored just because she had one American hit.

Posted by Elle Dee on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:07am

@willie:

You don't…you don't actually believe that do you? Well if you do then you're not a serious enough person to debate with.

The thing is, remember how that the anonymous voter in 2020 likened Whitney to Streisand and Julio Iglesias, dismissed her music as schlock, but the Hall voted her in anyway? And again, the majority of her recorded music is sonically closer to Streisand and Celine, but she eclipsed the canonical class of white MOR singers because of her direct and explicit lineage to the black musical traditions, which she showed more in her live performance than in her recorded music. Like Diane Warren is a looming presence on most of her albums. And actually many would argue that Whitney is 50% Aretha and 50% Streisand.

So you're pitting Swiss cheese against cheddar cheese.

Also why are we continuing to use Whitney as a benchmark when you're just proving my point that there are unchecked biases against Mariah that are still unidentified and unidentifiable. I literally mentioned multiple times that Chris Molanphy specifically, intentionally, strategically, systematically made his ballot choices according to tokenized criteria so he wouldn't have to vote for Mariah. He said (I'm paraphrasing): "how can I make my ballot choices around Mariah in a way that doesn't make me look like a racist or misogynist."

So I repeat, my points and curiosities are beyond the capacity of this forum?

Posted by ChrisD on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 06:42am

The Monkees will never be inducted. Gram Parsons will be when everyone in Hall who actually knew and/or met Gram Parsons is dead and Motley Crue will be inducted once all band members are dead.

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 07:26am

why do you say as such on the Monkees, Paul?

Posted by K-Dawg on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 10:05am

Power, Mat R, Elle Dee, Plebeian, RG, Greg F, Will M and others,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 13:29pm

Richie I don't have any early predictions at this time. I'll post some when I think of some. Please don't constantly ask me. I'll post them when I'm ready.

Posted by Greg F on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 14:01pm

ChrisD, Willie,

I think one of the main reasons for Whitney getting in easier than Mariah may have to do with two things: one was the obvious influence Whitney had in the black female artists that came after her either as a black woman or through her musical choices and two, Whitney was far less polarized than Mariah. Someone did suggest that Mariah may still have haters inside the industry that was against her nomination though it was approved. Plus, having All I Want for Christmas is You being her signature song probably hurt Mariah's chances even more so. Whitney easily has like five definitive songs in her catalog - How Will I Know, Greatest Love of All, I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me), I Will Always Love You, I Have Nothing - whereas it's tougher for Mariah outside AIWFCIY. Plus Mariah is just now starting to get a reappraisal that Whitney got after her death.

Plus Mariah was never Brandy or Aaliyah's peer. She was MJB's. Janet, Madonna and Whitney were peers (1980s) so Mariah was definitely after them. It'll take Mariah maybe one or two more nominations before she's clear.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 15:07pm

Someone posted on Facebook, that everyone assumed Mariah Carey had the votes. So many voters felt they would use their vote to help someone else.

Posted by Ic on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 16:46pm

lc,

What were the official final voting results for each of the 2024 nominees?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 16:51pm

Initial 2025 Predictions:

Returning:
Cyndi Lauper
Joy Division/New Order
Motorhead
Soundgarden
War
The White Stripes

New:
Alanis Morrissette
Bad Company
Coldplay
Diana Ross
Lauryn Hill
Outkast
Pixies
The Pointer Sisters
Tracy Chapman

Posted by RG on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 17:38pm

RG,

Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Bad Company, Tracy Chapman, Coldplay, Lauryn Hill, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, OutKast, Pixies, The Pointer Sisters, Diana Ross, Soundgarden, War and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 17:57pm

RG,

Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees (Bad Company, Tracy Chapman, Coldplay, Lauryn Hill, Joy Division/New Order, Cyndi Lauper, Alanis Morissette, Motorhead, OutKast, Pixies, The Pointer Sisters, Diana Ross, Soundgarden, War and The White Stripes). Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 18:31pm

Richie,

Bad Company
Coldplay
Cyndi Lauper
Diana Ross
Joy Division/New Order
Outkast
Soundgarden

White Stripes (if 8)

Posted by RG on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 20:02pm

The possible ballot for next year's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductions.

Returning:

Mariah Carey
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order
Lenny Kravitz
Cyndi Lauper
The Replacements

New:

Alice in Chains
Bjork
Coldplay
Daft Punk
Melissa Etheridge
John Mayer
OutKast
Diana Ross
Snoop Dogg

Possible contenders for side categories.

Musical Influence: John Coltrane, Ella Fitzgerald, Dick Dale

Musical Excellence: Devo, Fela Kuti, New York Dolls, Warren Zevon

Ahmet Ertugun Award: Estelle Axton

Posted by JE on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 20:45pm

The rock hall news from FRL is insane

Completely changes how we view the voting body, imagine loads of classic rockers literally can't vote for whatever reason

Posted by Will m on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 21:04pm

No, that's not the issue. Cher was also considered a lock, so why isn't there a supposed issue where voters, thinking she's a lock, don't vote for her and instead give their votes to someone else? I think it's more that voters just aren't that fond of Mariah Carey.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:19pm

Will M

This is just too crazy. It's hard to believe. Would the Rock Hall do this to Paul McCartney, Springsteen, Stevie Wonder? I think this is discrimination.

Posted by power on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:22pm

@Timothy Pernell: I would also add that having Clive Davis - the industry heavyweight that he still is with his glamorous pre-Grammy party et al - as an internal advocate most assuredly helped Whitney's chances as well. Neither Mariah nor Janet has/had that same advantage, which is why they had a harder time on their first ballot appearance. But there is no question about it that Whitney was more of the industry darling, and for a while was the North Star for Black music, ambition and representation, a position stripped of Diana Ross the moment the WH debut album became a success; but one that came with certain pressures she obviously couldn't handle. Now there is Beyonce who owns that title and has wielded it to her advantage into her forties in a way that neither Whitney nor Diana nor MJ never could.

Posted by ChrisD on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:27pm

Power, Mat R, Elle Dee, Plebeian, Will M, K-Dawg, Timothy Pernell and others,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 22:59pm

will m
This further shows that the Rock Hall is in a vicious cycle, becoming a game for insiders to entertain themselves. Outsiders, even those who are inductees, are much less likely to vote than insiders. As a result, their voting rights are also stripped away. This leads to an increasingly higher proportion of votes coming from insiders.

I also think this is definitely a case of discrimination. For instance, Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel—though it's unthinkable because they are the most enthusiastic and control the Rock Hall—I believe that even if they didn't vote for ten years, they would still 10000% get votes. Whereas other less known or outsider inductees might have their voting rights stripped away. Even more conspiratorially, one could suspect that the 'not voting for two consecutive years' rule is just an excuse for the Rock Hall to strip outsiders of their voting rights.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Sunday, 04/28/2024 @ 23:16pm

People finding out the insiders club is in fact the insiders club. I mean how else did you all expect people like Sheryl Crow, Dr John and Peter Frampton to immediately get inducted when brought up but outsiders like Kraftwerk, Dianne Warwick, Judas Preist, MC5 with better resumes could never get the amount of inductions needed? This is pretty clear indication, the voter base has to be an insane percentage of boomers

Been rumored for years so not surprising and even expected, I think part of my interest is how bizarrely it's ran like this so you root for underdogs. It just makes it funnier with how most young people don't give a shit or are just looking into this hall as a sort of interesting circus

Posted by GuestG on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 03:53am

THE 2025 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

Ben E. King
Mary Wells
The Marvelettes
Diana Ross
Chubby Checker
Judy Collins
Peter, Paul & Mary
The Kingston Trio
Jan & Dean
The Monkees
The Spencer Davis Group
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Commodores
Phil Collins
Joe Cocker

Posted by Roy on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 04:52am

21st Century Artists Become Eligible for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame next year!!

Posted by Roy on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 04:59am

I remember someone noting the members of USA for Africa/We Are The World that are in the Hall of Fame. How about I do that now with an update?

USA For Africa members in the Hall of Fame:

01. Quincy Jones
02. Ray Charles
03. Smokey Robinson
04. Stevie Wonder
05. Diana Ross
06. Michael Jackson
07. Tito Jackson
08. Marlon Jackson
09. Jackie Jackson
10. Tina Turner
11. Bruce Springsteen
12. Billy Joel
13. Daryl Hall and John Oates
14. Lindsey Buckingham
15. Bob Dylan
16. Paul Simon
17. Steve Perry
18. Harry Belafonte
19. Lionel Richie
20. Willie Nelson
21. Dionne Warwick

USA For Africa members NOT in the Hall:

01. Kenny Rogers
02. Kenny Loggins
03. Huey Lewis and the News
04. Cyndi Lauper
05. Kim Carnes
06. Al Jarreau
07. James Ingram
08. Jeffrey Osbourne
09. The Pointer Sisters
10. LaToya Jackson
11. Randy Jackson
12. Sheila E.
13. Bette Midler
14. Bob Geldof
15. Waylon Jennings
16. Dan Akroyd

Posted by Follower on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 05:08am

K-Dawg, The Monkees had a Broadcasting System working with them and on behalf of them. They had Neil Diamond and others writing their songs. The guys & gals in bands that didn't have that kind of help don't like or respect that (in terms of being in Hall).

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 05:31am

Someone posted on Facebook, that everyone assumed Mariah Carey had the votes. So many voters felt they would use their vote to help someone else.

Posted by lc on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 07:58am

lc,

I can definitely see that as a possibility, coupled with as ChrisD has written the very dismissive attitude of many rockiest voters, its way easier to imagine a scenario where she finishes low on the ballot. that'd align with Alan Lights statement of the top 8 being all way above the bottom 7.

Posted by will m on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 08:25am

In my eyes, the issue with Mariah Carey is that, despite her immense vocal talent, she doesn't have the ability to evoke any genuine emotion when she sings. It all seems very rehearsed and disingenuous. In this regard, she is much more similar to Celine Dion than to other's in her lane. That's where Mary J. excelled over Mariah. You can feel her emotion when she sings "Be Without You" or "Just Fine". When she covered U2's "One", it felt genuine. When Mariah covers someone else's songs, it doesn't typically resonate the way the original does even though she is inevitably a more talented singer than the other person. Harry Nillson sounds far more convincing on his version of "Without You" than Mariah does on hers, for example. She can hit any note she wants, but for many people, myself included, she doesn't use that ability in a way that stirs one's emotions.

This also carries over to her public persona, where she always feels like she's trying to do and be whatever she thinks a "diva" should do and be, rather than just being herself. That can be very off-putting to a lot of people. Katy Perry is an example of someone else who comes across the same way in this regard.

That being said, she will eventually be inducted based on the sheer volume of hits she's created and the amount of influence she has on American Idol-type singers. I wouldn't presume to know what the Hall voters' rationale is regarding Mariah, but for me, Mariah's best comparison is Bon Jovi, great at making hits and probably deserving of induction as a result, but never really creating anything of substance.

Posted by Michael W. on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 08:40am

DJ Yella (who was inducted with NWA in 2016) confirmed in a Patreon episode of "Who Cares About the Rock Hall that he no longer receives a ballot because he didn't vote for a few years.

Would the Rock Hall pull the voting privileges from Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, or Mick Jagger if those guys did the same?

Posted by xwing1212 on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 10:56am

Does anybody think that after Ozzy, Motley Crue could be logical choice for a heavy metal nomination? They could voted in and would be a draw to the ceremony.

Posted by xwing1212 on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 10:59am

i think motley crue will wait more years

but who knows

I still predict maiden to be nominated in next year but I will not be surprised if Motley Crue is nominated in 2025

Posted by power on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 11:10am

Also

Motley crue seems to have a ton of industry enemies, which may hinder their chances.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 11:11am

Here are some reasons I think Linkin Park will surprise us and get a 2025 Rock Hall nomination at least

1.They are one of the most successful and influential Rock bands of the 21st century so far like with Coldplay and LP has influences that go beyond Rock music and go into Pop,Rap and Electronic music some key Non Rock acts influenced or fans of them are Halsey,The Weeknd,Billie Eilish.Chance the Rapper,Tyler The Creator and Rihanna

2.The Hall even since Rick Krim and John Skyes became part of the nomination committee have been not shy on nominating acts that were massive on MTV and VH1 back in the day and in the 2000s one of the Rock acts that dominated MTV was Linkin Park

3.Like with Coldplay for better or for worse they have shaped what the Rock scene has sounded like since the early 2010s

4.Chester Bennington has been seen as this martyr figure in recent memory (RIP)

5.Recently Linkin Park has been released a bunch of unreleased songs and old demos reworked which has gone on to crack the Top 40 on the Hot 100 and have top the Mainstream Rock charts and they just released a greatest hits album from 2003 to 2023 and we could see more unreleased and reworked stuff being released as singles which could have the same impact

6.It will be 25 years since Linkin Park released their smash hit debut album "Hybrid Theroy" with their biggest song on it "In The End" so that would be cool to capitalize on that

7.Linkin Park became the first rock band to achieve more than one billion YouTube views. "Numb" is the third and "In the End" is the sixth "timeless song" on Spotify. The two songs make Linkin Park the only artist to have two timeless songs in the top ten.

8.Rage Against the Machine getting in I feel as opened up the door for them and other Rap Metal acts to be considered

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 11:28am

Iron Maiden will return to the ballot in 2025 in 3 straight odd years like just like how Judas Priest were one the ballot 3 straight even years (2018,2020 and 2022) and for Maiden it will be (2021,2023, and 2025)

And like with Priest they are set to get the Musical Excellence route in 2025

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 11:38am

the problem w Linkin park is I still don't think they have enough critical respect. there's like no placements on any critic lists or anything. all extremely populist. I'd imagine deftones or SOAD get the nu metal nod first. but even then I don't expect them for another 14 years

Posted by will m on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 11:59am

I have seen LP on best bands of the 2000s lists

And Hybrid Theroy and Meteora on several best albums and Rock Albums of the 2000s lists

Posted by Alec Tess on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 12:13pm

I bet linkin park will not be nominated in 2025. Generally speaking, Coldplay has more connections, critical acclaims and almost same amount of commercial success compared with Linkin Park and Coldplay is not FYE. I do not think Linkin Park will be

Posted by power on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 12:50pm

I feel like we should all be extremely confident in a new York dolls Excellence or Influence induction next year. I'm 100% certain on that happening

Posted by will m on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 13:16pm

Michael W,

I remember doing that: comparing Mariah to Bon Jovi and that didn't get a good response haha

I hate that I'm right though. :/ I did want her in it but I wanted MJB in it more so this year so meh...

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 14:33pm

Will m,

I'm with you on the Dolls.

As for Motley Crue? Yeah don't count on it especially if they don't have a lot of industry supporters.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 14:34pm

Timothy Pernell,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 14:36pm

Richie

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by willie on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 15:03pm

Chris D,

Actually, that's not AS simple. For instance, Patti Smith was one of the first artists signed to Arista around 1975 (label formed in November 1974). So she'd be the first Arista artist that was inducted. Now let's run down a list of every act Clive dealt with at one point or another and the number of ballots it took for them to get in:

Clive Davis-associated artists inducted into the RRHOF:
1987: Aretha Franklin (Arista from 1980-2007) - 1st ballot (mostly from her non-Clive run at Atlantic)
1993: Sly & the Family Stone (Epic) - 1st ballot
1994: Grateful Dead (Arista from 1976 to 1990) - 2nd ballot
1995: Janis Joplin (Columbia) - 1st ballot
1998: Santana (Columbia/Arista) - 1st ballot
1999: Billy Joel (Columbia) - 2nd ballot
1999: Bruce Springsteen (Columbia) - 1st ballot
2000: Earth, Wind & Fire (Columbia) - 2nd ballot
2001: Aerosmith (Columbia) - 2nd ballot
2004: Prince (Arista from 1999-2000) - 1st ballot (mostly for his non-Clive work with Warner)
2007: Patti Smith (Arista) - 7th ballot (she was the first Arista signee to get inducted yet it took her YEARS)
2009: Run-DMC (Arista in their final years) - 1st ballot (their most famous work was not connected w/Clive)
2012: Donovan (Epic) - 2nd ballot
2012: Laura Nyro (Columbia) - 3rd ballot
2016: Chicago (Columbia) - 1st ballot
2020: Whitney Houston (Arista) - 1st ballot (second artist from Arista proper after PS to get inducted)

So judging on this list, the artists that were either discovered primarily by Clive and those discovered and with whom he worked close to that got in on their first ever ballot (either eligible or nominated for the first time ever) are:
Sly & the Family Stone
Janis Joplin
Santana
Patti Smith
Donovan
Laura Nyro
Chicago
Whitney Houston

The rest either signed with Arista in their later years or thrived after he left. Seems Whitney had a much easier time getting in than Patti Smith ever did.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 15:03pm

It seems that U2 and Rem do not have power in industry as before (in their heydays), they do not even try to push their heores, JDNO and B52s into rrhof. It seems that these two big industry darlings do not care about rock hall.

Posted by power on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 15:05pm

Oops, shouldn't have included Patti since it took until her 7th ballot. So that leaves just 7 artists who Clive actually worked with that got in on their first ballot. Add in artists he discovered, 8 (Springsteen).

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 15:08pm

What do you think Mariah Carey's ranking will be in the final voting results this year? I think it will be #9-#10, but if she doesn't even make the top ten, considering her fame and popularity, it would definitely be a very poor performance for her.

Posted by willie on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 15:13pm

Imagine the U.S. presidential ballots. You can choose not to vote, but every citizen should have the right to vote, regardless of whether they vote for someone, abstain, or otherwise; they should not be deprived of their ballot. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should operate in a similar manner regarding past inductees.

Posted by chasingwildcat on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 15:43pm

I saw something interesting here when running down who got inducted based on how many ballots they were on. The results are a bit shocking...and weird.

1987 - Aretha Franklin got in on her first ballot
1988 - The Supremes got in on their second ballot
1991 - LaVern Baker, the second solo female inductee, took until her sixth ballot
1993 - Ruth Brown, the third solo female inductee, took until her sixth ballot
1993 - Etta James, the fourth solo female inductee, took until her second ballot, first since the Supremes
1995 - Janis Joplin, the fifth solo female inductees, got in on her first ballot
1995 - Martha and the Vandellas took until their third ballot to get in
1996 - The Shirelles took until their third ballot to get in
1997 - Joni Mitchell, sixth solo female inductee and first since Janis, took until her third ballot
1999 - Dusty Springfield, seventh solo female inductee, took until her second ballot
2000 - Bonnie Raitt, eighth solo female inductee, got in on her first ballot
2002 - Brenda Lee, ninth solo female inductee, took until her third ballot
2007 - Patti Smith, tenth solo female inductees, took until her SEVENTH ballot to get in, surpassed Ruth Brown and LaVern Baker for the longest wait... who knows what was the hold up?!
2007 - The Ronettes, surprisingly, were the first female group to get in on their first ballot
2008 - Madonna, eleventh solo female inductee, got in on her first ballot
2011 - Darlene Love, twelfth solo female inductee, got in on her third ballot
2012 - Laura Nyro, thirteenth solo female inductee, got in on her third ballot
2013 - Donna Summer, fourteenth solo female inductee, got in on her fifth ballot
2014 - Linda Ronstadt, fifteenth solo female inductee, got in on her first ballot (first since Madonna)
2017 - Joan Baez, sixteenth solo female inductee, got in on her first ballot
2018 - Nina Simone, seventeenth solo female inductee, got in on her first ballot
2019 - Janet Jackson, eighteenth solo female inductee, got in on her third ballot
2019 - Stevie Nicks, nineteenth solo female inductee, got in on her first ballot (first dual inductee)
2020 - Whitney Houston, twentieth solo female inductee, got in on her first ballot
2021 - Carole King, twenty-first solo female inductee, got in on her second ballot
2021 - The Go-Go's, first female group to be inducted in 14 years, got in on their first ballot
2021 - Tina Turner, twenty-second solo female inductee, got in on her second ballot (second dual inductee)
2022 - Pat Benatar, twenty-third solo female inductee, got in on her second ballot
2022 - Dolly Parton, twenty-fourth solo female inductee, got in on her first ballot
2022 - Carly Simon, twenty-fifth solo female inductee, got in on her first ballot
2023 - Kate Bush, twenty-sixth solo female inductee, got in on her fourth ballot
2023 - Sheryl Crow, twenty-seventh solo female inductee, got in on her first ballot
2023 - Missy Elliott, twenty-eighth solo female inductee, got in on her first ballot (first female rapper)
2024 - Mary J. Blige, twenty-ninth solo female inductee, got in on her second ballot
2024 - Cher, thirtieth solo female inductees, got in on her first ballot

So running down the female inductees in the main class (30 solo and 5 groups):

1st ballot:
Aretha
Janis
Bonnie
Ronettes
Madonna
Linda
Joan
Nina
Stevie Nicks
Whitney
Go-Go's
Dolly
Carly
Sheryl
Missy
Cher
(16)

2nd ballot:
Supremes
Etta
Dusty
Carole
Tina
Pat
MJB
(7)

3rd ballot:
Martha and the Vandellas
Shirelles
Joni
Brenda
Darlene
Laura
Janet
(7)

4th ballot:
Kate
(1)

5th ballot:
Donna
(1)

6th ballot:
LaVern
Ruth
(2)

7th ballot:
Patti Smith
(1)

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Tina WOULD seem like a first ballot inductee but the RRHOF actually nominated her first in 1987 (apparently almost doing to her what they did to Smokey Robinson). Carole King was nominated immediately after she became eligible (1989 ceremony). Of course most of the first ballot inductees got nominated YEARS after they became eligible, which is more normal than not. But yeah, there you go!

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 16:11pm

@Timothy Pernell: I'm not sure what point you're referring to that's not "as simple"? Did you somehow misinterpret something? Because I'm in complete agreement that Whitney was an industry darling…who insiders liked so much they ignored her shortcomings. I mean an artist's output in recorded music is the largest part of their career composition; but you and I both know that it was artistically the weakest part of Whitney's career.

That database you've assembled, those seven of Clive's Trilby artists is enough of a precedent that would support the argument that Whitney benefitted from having him as an advocate? Or what exactly is the threshold you have in your head? Eight? Ten? One hundred?

Posted by ChrisD on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 16:39pm

Let me remind everyone that the Sex Pistols told the Rock Hall to go f$ck themselves and they still got inducted.

Posted by xwing1212 on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 18:31pm

How would Motely Crue, Iron Maiden or any band/artist that tells the Rock Hall to piss off be any different?

Posted by xwing1212 on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 18:32pm

This month is almost over so I predict who will be nominated and I know Mariah Carey will be return next year for second year next year. And now I will predict first nominees. I will choose 10 who will be first nominees.

1. Luther Vandross.
2. Patti LaBelle
3. New Edition
4.Phil Collins
5.Diana Ross
6.OutKast
7. Snoop Dogg
8.Anita Baker
9. Vanessa Williams
10. Shelia E.

Posted by Amie Hampton on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 18:41pm

Amie Hampton,

Which returning nominees do you see being nominated next year besides Mariah Carey?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 18:46pm

I'm not sure about the dolls for next year, especially if Devo is nominated.

Also I'd note war and the meters

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 21:12pm

Mat R,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 21:26pm

Richie

I gave you them already

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 21:32pm

Mat R,

So you're saying your early predictions for the 2025 nominees are still Mariah Carey, Oasis, Sade, Jane's Addiction, War, Devo, Cyndi Lauper and Iron Maiden for returning and Black Flag, Boston, Pink, OutKast, Ice Cube, "Weird Al" Yankovic, Phil Collins and Alanis Morissette for newcomers and your early predictions for the 2025 inductees (If 8 inductees again) are still Mariah Carey, OutKast, Cyndi Lauper, Phil Collins, Oasis, War, Alanis Morissette and Boston plus Devo via Musical Excellence?.

Posted by richie on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 21:47pm

Richie yes

Posted by Mat r on Monday, 04/29/2024 @ 23:14pm

GuestG,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees?.

Elle Dee,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/30/2024 @ 00:25am

xwing1212,

That's actually a good point. I think Crue and Maiden could get a shot in the future. Depends on how long the wait is, I guess. They can't avoid them FOREVER. If anything, Ozzy's induction should clear the way for them.

Posted by Timothy Pernell on Tuesday, 04/30/2024 @ 08:15am

Mat R,

What are your predictions for inductees in the side categories (Musical Excellence, Musical Influence and Ahmet Ertegun Award) in the next 10 years (2025-2034)?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/30/2024 @ 09:28am

Richie

Given that they been inducting non-performers and megastars in musical excellence I don't think it can be predicted anymore

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/30/2024 @ 10:04am

Mat R, Power, Elle Dee, Plebeian, RG, Greg F, Will M, K-Dawg, Timothy Pernell and others,

Out of all of the previously nominated acts (Johnny Ace, Afrika Bambaataa, Bad Brains, Beck, Mariah Carey, The Chantels, Chic, Devo, The Dominoes, Eric B. & Rakim, Iron Maiden, The J. Geils Band, The J.B.'s, Jane's Addiction, Joy Division/New Order, Ben E. King, Lenny Kravitz, Fela Kuti, Cyndi Lauper, Los Lobos, The Marvelettes, The Meters, Motorhead, New York Dolls, Oasis, Sinead O'Connor, Gram Parsons, Esther Phillips, John Prine, Procol Harum, The Replacements, Rufus With Chaka Khan, Sade, The Sir Douglas Quintet, The Smiths, Soundgarden, Steppenwolf, Sting, Joe Tex, Thin Lizzy, Conway Twitty, War, Mary Wells, The White Stripes, Chuck Willis, Steve Winwood and Warren Zevon). Which ones do you see being inducted at some point, How many more nominations that it will take them to get in and Which year do you see them being inducted in?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/30/2024 @ 10:26am

If it's not Motley Crue or Maiden in 2025 I am still thinking it will be Motorhead or The Scorpions

I mean the Scorpions already have a permanent exhibit at the Rock Hall museum

Posted by Alec Tess on Tuesday, 04/30/2024 @ 11:58am

I'm trying to think of a reason why anyone elected shouldn't be in the HOF in some capacity that was inducted this year in either a main or side category. Outside of my railing on Peter Frampton, I really don't have an argument individually on any one act, and indeed, Frampton had a case for musical excellence.

Also, given the fact he and DMB were both elected this recent cycle and Jimmy Buffett got ME'd, that sends a signal that jam bands or acts known for live performances are very much on the radar of the RRHOF. I'm thinking at this point Phish is going to be a shoo-in.

Posted by K-Dawg on Tuesday, 04/30/2024 @ 17:25pm

K-Dawg

I'd argue Kool and the gang suck. That said I think they belong in and would have voted for them

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/30/2024 @ 18:05pm

Mat R,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2024 (Mary J. Blige, Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & The Gang, Ozzy Osbourne, A Tribe Called Quest, Jimmy Buffett, MC5, Dionne Warwick, Alexis Korner, John Mayall and Big Mama Thornton) next year for 2025?.

Posted by richie on Tuesday, 04/30/2024 @ 18:13pm

Mary J. Blige - Mariah Carey, Lauryn Hill, D'Angelo

Cher - Cyndi Lauper, Barbara Streisand, Bette Midler

Dave Matthews Band - Weezer, John Mayer, Tracy Chapman

Foreigner - Boston, Supertramp, Styx

Peter Frampton - BTO/Guess Who, Bryan Adams, The J. Geils Band

Kool & The Gang - War, Ohio Players, Barry White

Ozzy Osbourne - Phil Collins, Iron Maiden, Billy Idol

A Tribe Called Quest - Outkast, Wu-Tang Clan, De La Soul

Jimmy Buffett - Garth Brooks, Merle Haggard, The Carpenters

MC5 - New York Dolls, Devo, Black Flag

Dionne Warwick - Mariah Carey, Burt Bacharach and Hal David, Diana Ross


Alexis Korner and John Mayall - Cliff Richard, The J. Geils Band, Chuck Willis

Big Mama Thornton - Memphis Minnie, Hank Snow, The Last Poet

Posted by Mat r on Tuesday, 04/30/2024 @ 19:02pm

With Kool & the Gang in, I think War is the next logical funk/soul band choice. They already have three nominations under their belt. Why not?

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 09:49am

So post Ozzy who do you all think are the 10 most likely pure metal (not hard rock, so no thin Lizzy) to get a shot

1. iron Maiden - nominated before
2. Motorhead - nominated before
3. Alice in Chains - critical favourites, sold extremely well, big four grunge, involved at the hall
4. Motley Crue - sold extremely well, influential, mainstream celebrity member
5. Faith No More - insanely influential
6. Megadeth - sold well, influential, big four thrash
7. Quiet Riot - broke metal in mainstream
8. White Zombie/Rob Zombie - massive band/artist, deeply well known front man who is a mainstream celeb and involved with the hall
9. Tool - strong sales, biggest of progressive metal
10. Twisted Sister - sold well, have 2 well known in the mainstream hits, free speech stuff

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 10:14am

Mat R

No Scorpions or Whitesnake or is that more "Hard Rock"?

I'm hopeful UFO get in through the Musical/Early Influence category down the road

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 10:18am

Speaking of Whitesnake actually like with Paul Rodgers I think even though he's in as a member of Deep Purple you can make a case like with Paul Rodgers you can make a case for David Coverdale as a possible side category inductee

Also he had a hit one off album back in the mid 90s with Jimmy Page called " Coverdale–Page"

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 10:28am

Yeah I am now leaning towards Paul Rodgers getting honored through the Musical Excellence route

So the next of the "Classic Rock" radio acts I think they will be nominated will be Thin Lizzy or King Crimson

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 11:03am

Alex tess

I considered both, also poison, Korn, slipknot, slayer, and Deftones. All were in my mind kinda vying for #10 (the first 9 I think are firm contenders) and ultimately Dee Snider kinda being the face of the PMRC hearings was why I point ts over the rest.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 11:34am

Alex tess

I considered both, also poison, Korn, slipknot, slayer, and Deftones. All were in my mind kinda vying for #10 (the first 9 I think are firm contenders) and ultimately Dee Snider kinda being the face of the PMRC hearings was why I point ts over the rest.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 11:34am

For any of you who were unable to hear my interview with Alan Light last year about the inner workings of the Rock HOF Nominating Committee; those podcast episodes have now been distributed beyond Spotify and are available on most podcast platforms. My website includes a list of sites I've personally verified the podcast is available on.

https://roadtojamnation.com/

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 12:02pm

The Alan interviews are in episodes 14 and 15

Posted by Shrek on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 12:06pm

Return Nominees:
Beck (22)
Mariah Carey (24)
Soundgarden (20, 23)
Iron Maiden (21, 23)
Eric B & Rakim (12, 24)
Cyndi Lauper (23)
Devo (19, 21, 22)

New Nominees:
Coldplay
No Doubt
Luther Vandross
Outkast
Phil Collins
Bryan Adams
Alanis Morissette
TLC

Inductees: Phil Collins, Bryan Adams, Cyndi Lauper, Luther Vandross, Mariah Carey, Outkast, Coldplay, Devo (if 8)

Musical Excellence: Warren Zevon, New York Dolls, Ashford & Simpson

Musical Influence: Odetta, Patsy Cline, Chubby Checker

Non-Performer: Estelle Axton

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 13:34pm

They won't put Paul Rodgers in ME. Bad Company will get inducted if nominated. You people are so trigger happy at putting people in side categories.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 14:10pm

Power,

As much as I love Coldplay, I just have a really hard time seeing them get in on their first try especially if fellow British bands Radiohead and Oasis couldn't get in on their first try and fellow 2000's Rock act The White Stripes couldn't get in on their first try, so I see Coldplay doing the same.

What do you think?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 14:14pm

Then again, I'm noticing not many people are predicting Supertramp. They could easily take the Foreigner slot. So many songs people recognize: The Logical Song, Breakfast in America, Goodbye Stranger, Take the Long Way Home, Give a Little Bit, etc.

Posted by xwing1212 on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 14:15pm

Richie

Coldplay has many more hit singles and significantly higher album sales in the United States compared to Oasis and The White Stripes. Additionally, Chris Martin is known for having better relationships within the industry, getting along with almost everyone, unlike Jack White and especially the Gallagher brothers, who have quite a few industry enemies. Coldplay has also collaborated with many mainstream pop musicians, which Oasis and The White Stripes lack. Of course, anything can happen (as we saw with Mariah Carey's Hall of Fame snub), but I still think Coldplay's case is much stronger than that of The White Stripes and Oasis.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 14:30pm

xwing1212

I think Phil Collins and Bryan Adams have better chance than Supertramp, way more influential, way more hits and most importantly way more connected.

So I think after Foreigner (who are also well connected but only are hated by RS people) and Peter Frampton, Phil and Bryan have good chance as not only they have many hits and good album sales, but also they are most connected in classic rock snubs.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 14:34pm

Power,

Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2024 (Mary J. Blige, Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & The Gang, Ozzy Osbourne, A Tribe Called Quest, Jimmy Buffett, MC5, Dionne Warwick, Alexis Korner, John Mayall and Big Mama Thornton) next year for 2025?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 14:34pm

Power

I have a feeling we'll see Destiny's Child before TLC on a ballot.

There is obviously a desire from the museum for Beyonce and Kelly Rowland is on positive terms with the Hall.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 14:37pm

Power

Also like with Mariah there is a lot of people in the industry who can't stand Jack White

xwing1212

If you have to nominate Bad Company you have to nominate them together with Free

It strengths their case and gives them longevity also All Right Now is more well known than any Bad Company now

Beside Stevie doesn't have that much power anymore on the main Performers category nominating committee and is only now restricted to side categories

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 14:39pm

richie

I think this isn't very significant because if you look at the 2024 nominees, they didn't follow any pattern and had no correlation or continuity with the 2023 nominations.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 14:39pm

Power

King Crimson and Thin Lizzy have industry connections as well

Also I believe Rick Krim the Nominating Committee head now is a big Jethro Tull fan

Posted by AlecTessitore@Aol.com on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 14:46pm

Mat R,

I'm not sure about this. The person organizing Destiny's Child events at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame might not be on the nomination committee, as the event organizers and the nominating committee might be from different departments. I'm uncertain about Destiny's Child's situation and how the nomination committee internally views them. However, I am confident that TLC will be nominated soon, probably within the next five years. Rick Krim is very influential, and he will push for TLC. I'm not sure if Destiny's Child will be inducted before or after TLC, but I'm certain that TLC will be nominated and inducted soon.

Alec T,

KC's situation is complex. It's certain that the pop camp and the Black camp generally won't vote for them, and neither will Bruce Springsteen and his circle. KC's influential friend, Daryl Hall, seems to view KC as a good partner for experimenting with music, but doesn't seem to seriously fight for KC's chances. I think many in the British rock circle would vote for KC, but I'm less certain about other classic rock acts in the U.S. I even doubt that KC's name has ever come up in a nomination committee meeting. I'm pessimistic about their chances, despite believing they truly deserve to be inducted.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 14:52pm

Power

The Alternate Rock crowd would vote for King Crimson though

Grohl and the rest of Foo Fighters are fans

Kurt Cobain and Taylor Hawkins were fans and I am sure Radiohead are fans

Rick Krim is a big Progressive Rock fan and I am sure he has brought them up along with Jethro Tull,Styx and Boston names in there

Also I am all for TLC being nominated and I know Mary J Blige got in but she was nominated before it all went down but yeah the P Diddy connections might hurt them

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 15:00pm

Also massive RIP to Duane Eddy by the way

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 15:01pm

alec tess

I think P Diddy had little influence on TLC' case because he wasn't a major collaborator with them; he only participated in a very small amount of their work.

As for KC, the strength of the alternative crowd seems quite weak, lacking any absolute power. You can see that apart from U2, REM, Nirvana, and Pearl Jam, other artists supported by the alternative camp always struggle. Additionally, KC is likely to lack support from the industry (record labels and concert staff), which is extremely crucial for voting. KC is likely to be chosen in the future as musical excellence.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 15:12pm

Power,

Which other acts that you wouldn't be surprised to see get nominated/inducted next year for 2025 even though you don't have them on your early predictions for the 2025 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 15:17pm

richie

Oasis, Lenny, Motorhead, JDNO, the Smiths, the Replacements, Salt N Pepa, War, Boston, Melissa Etheridge, Wu Tang Clan, New Edition, Diana Ross, Patti Labelle, Roberta Flack,

We will have more clue after induction ceremony.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 15:26pm

TLC is no slouch of a name. Arguably they have bigger hits than Destiny's Child, specifically "Waterfalls".

I would also think En Vogue and Salt n Pepa should get inducted in the next calendar decade

Posted by K-Dawg on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 16:35pm

Power

Again I am sure they will get a nomination at least down the road

Why are some early 00s Rock acts that also could be considered?

I woundnt be surprised if they Muse gets a nomination or knowing how close Grohl is with Josh Homme maybe Queens of the Stone Age?

Though I think eventually Josh Homme will get Musical Excellence

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 16:50pm

RIP Duane Eddy and Richard tandy :((((((

Posted by will m on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 17:41pm

Power and k-dawg

Tlc should go first but the star power of d.c. (beyond just Beyonce) I'd call a tipping point.

Alec Tess

Coldplay + Thom Yorke aka Muse is probably a decade away I'd guess. They're big enough.

Josh Homme I feel depends. He is a Damon Albarn like figure (someone I think will get ME) but I think Queens of the Stone Age could contend but that's way down the line (like 2040 or something). I do think him getting involved could impact things and I do think he's gonna induct someone very soon.

Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 18:54pm

I feel completely lost whenever muse are mentioned cause I still know nothing about them or any of their songs despite them apparently being one of the biggest 00s rock bands.

I don't think they'd be a first choice once we reach the 00s. Paramore, the strokes (not a fan of strokes btw), MCR, And QOTSA I think will all happen before. Plus white stripes ( I think many view them as 00s despite debuting in 1998)

Posted by Will m on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 18:59pm

A lot of Classic Rock fans I know still don't want a lot of 90s Rock acts like Soundgarden,Beck,Oasis,White Stripes,Jane's Addiction,Alice In Chains,Stone Temple Pilots and a few others that should still not be in the Rock Hall because it's still "Too Early" for them and that there still many 60s and 70s acts that need recognition

Also one guy on YouTube not gonna say a name has this bonkers conspiracy theater that the Grunge bands were "Puppets of Clear Channel/iHeartRadio

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 19:49pm

My updated way too early 2025 Rock n Roll Hall of Fame nominee predictions

Returning from 2024
Mariah Carey
Oasis
Lenny Kravitz

Returning from previous ballots
Iron Maiden
Soundgarden
Joy Divison/New Order
Cyndi Lauper
War
Warren Zevon

Newcomers
Styx
OutKast
Diana Ross
Phil Collins
Coldplay
Linkin Park
Smashing Pumpkins
Lauryn Hill

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 21:13pm

Bill Wyman (writer at Vulture) updated his best to worst rock hall inductees list with the inclusion of the 2024 class.

#111 - A Tribe Called Quest (should be a little higher on the list)

#125 - Mary J. Blige (perfect spot)

#171 - Kool & the Gang (should be waaaay higher than that)

#224 - Peter Frampton (makes sense)

#238 - Dave Matthews Band (makes sense)

#249 - Foreigner (makes sense)

#251 - Cher (she's a freaking American music icon. She should not be this low on the list. Ridiculous!)

#254 - Ozzy Osbourne (makes sense)

https://www.vulture.com/article/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-artists-ranked-from-best-to-worst.html

Posted by Elle Dee on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 21:23pm

Elle Dee,

What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees and Out of your early predictions for the 2025 nominees, Which ones do you see being inducted (If 8 inductees again)?.

Posted by richie on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 21:39pm

Elle Dee

Holy shit the absolute disrespect towards Queen in that article!

Posted by Alec Tess on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 22:52pm

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/motley-crue-dead-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/

Motley Crue is complaining about not being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Does this suggest they might be nominated next year? Last year, Ozzy Osbourne, Foreigner, and Cher made similar complaints and then were all inducted this year.

Posted by power on Wednesday, 05/1/2024 @ 23:39pm

Does anyone know why the "Wyman" list ignores the "Back-Door" inductee's??? Buffet, Preston, etc??

Posted by Ic on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 01:12am

Mariah Carey must have personally rejected the award
to give Mary J Blige full light.

Posted by lc on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 02:14am

Lenny Kravitz is probably the next Soundgarden, most people thought would be surefire FYN before but finally struggles.

I think I have expressed my opinion many times that these two artitsts are somewhat similar.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 07:56am

Bill Wyman is a blithering idiot. That being said, everyone has their opinions. I posted my list in order a couple years back and if I still have it somewhere I may reedit it to include acts listed since I put it out. However, I never claim to make it THE LIST. Some of his choices, particularly acts like Rush, Queen, and Whitney Houston near the bottom? And people like Laura Nyro and Randy freakin Newman so high are laughable. He did get Stevie Nicks mostly right, though (as a SOLO artist--she's indispensable with Fleetwood Mac)

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 09:20am

Someone posted on Facebook, that everyone assumed Mariah Carey had the votes. So many voters felt they would use their vote to help someone else.

Mariah Carey must have personally rejected the award
to give Mary J Blige full light.

Mariah Carey and Lenny Kravitz and Eric B &Rakim are #9-#11 respectively.

Posted by lc on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 11:05am

richie,

I believe

#9 Mariah
#10 Lenny
#11 EBAR
#12 Oasis
#13 Sinead
#14 Jane's
#15 Sinead

Correpsond well with my Steve Hoffman Forum posts

Posted by lc on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 11:09am

lc,

You listed Sinead twice, #13 should be Sade.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 11:12am

k-dawg

Laura Nyro should be a lot higher (somewhere between 120 - 130). She was the type of singer/songwriter who pioneered the quirky female singer/songwriter trope that paved the way for Kate, Tori, Bjork, Fiona, Joanna Newsom, etc. Her late 60s / early 70s albums (specifically New York Tendaberry) were way ahead of their time with the artsy, unconventional approach towards songwriting.

Posted by Elle Dee on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 11:13am

Please trust me, richie.

I really have a correct information source.

And this year is really strange. But I can guarantee to you
that my information source is true.

Posted by lc on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 11:19am

lc,

Yes, I will trust in you, You really have a correct information source and You can guarantee to me that your information source is true, Anyway, May I ask you the following questions:

1. What are your early predictions for the 2025 nominees/inductees (If 8 inductees again)?.

2. Out of the acts who missed out on induction this year for 2024, Who do you think have the best chances at induction next year for 2025?.

3. Which acts do you think have the biggest beneficiary of the acts getting in this year for 2024 (Mary J. Blige, Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Foreigner, Peter Frampton, Kool & The Gang, Ozzy Osbourne, A Tribe Called Quest, Jimmy Buffett, MC5, Dionne Warwick, Alexis Korner, John Mayall and Big Mama Thornton) next year for 2025?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 11:29am

Here's my list from early 2022. DIdn't realize it had been that long. I added the new acts. Take note, I didn't peruse to change the order based on if I feel differently about them now, but take this list as very subjective.

1. Led Zeppelin
2. Chuck Berry
3. BB King
4. Aerosmith
5. Rolling Stones
6. James Brown
7. The Who
8. Little Richard
9. Beatles
10. Prince
11. Fleetwood Mac
12. The Jimi Hendrix Experience
13. The Doors
14. ZZ Top
15. Jerry Lee Lewis
16. Smokey Robinson
17. Marvin Gaye
18. NWA
19. Pearl Jam
20. Bob Marley
21. Metallica
22. Def Leppard
23. Eagles
24. The Clash
25. Depeche Mode
26. Bob Dylan
27. Deep Purple
28. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
29. Queen
30. Creedence Clearwater Revival
31. Ray Charles
32. The Yardbirds
33. The Police
34. The Kinks
35. Heart
36. Whitney Houston
37. Crosby Stills Nash and Young
38. Elvis Presley
39. Michael Jackson
40. Black Sabbath
41. The Cars
42. Genesis
43. Tupac Shakur
44. Pink Floyd
45. David Bowie
46. Jackie Wilson
47. Spinners
48. Public Enemy
49. Madonna
50. Stevie Wonder
51. Aretha Franklin
52. Nine Inch Nails
53. Jay Z
54. Talking Heads
55. Otis Redding
56. Lynyrd Skynyrd
57. The Supremes
58. Earth Wind and Fire
59. AC/DC
60. Green Day
61. Guns N Roses
62. Janet Jackson
63. Chicago
64. Nirvana
65. Paul McCartney
66. Sly and the Family Stone
67. Roy Orbison
68. Steve Miller
69. Blondie
70. Janis Joplin
71. Lou Reed
72. Yes
73. Elton John
74. Red Hot Chili Peppers
75. The Byrds
76. Bruce Springsteen
77. The Cure
78. Eric Clapton
79. Rush
80. Wilson Pickett
81. The Pretenders
82. Run DMC
83. Hall and Oates
84. Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble
85. Sam Cooke
86. Radiohead
87. Foo Fighters
88. Cream
89. Duran Duran
90. Ramones
91. Billy Joel
92. Ozzy Osbourne
93. The Notorious BIG
94. Electric Light Orchestra
95. Eurythmics
96. Cheap Trick
97. The Jackson 5
98. Tina Turner
99. Sex Pistols
100. Bee Gees
101. Bob Seger
102. Santana
103. Beach Boys
104. Kool and the Gang
105. Simon and Garfunkel
106. Buddy Holly
107. Missy Elliott
108. The O'Jays
109. Peter Gabriel
110. Foreigner
111. Joan Baez
112. Roxy Music
113. Donovan
114. Miles Davis
115. Rod Stewart
116. Van Halen
117. Bon Jovi
118. Johnny Cash
119. The Velvet Underground
120. REM
121. Beastie Boys
122. Muddy Waters
123. Carly Simon
124. The GoGos
125. Temptations
126. Van Morrison
127. U2
128. Jeff Beck
129. Bill Withers
130. The Hollies
131. The Animals
132. The Impressions
133. The Moody Blues
134. KISS
135. Jefferson Airplane
136. Mary J. Blige
137. John Cougar Mellencamp
138. Eminem
139. Isaac Hayes
140. Neil Young
141. Steely Dan
142. Cat Stevens
143. Booker T and the MGs
144. Dire Straits
145. Neil Diamond
146. Donna Summer
147. The Allman Brothers
148. Bo Diddley
149. Al Green
150. Kate Bush
151. John Lennon
152. Hank Ballard
153. The Isley Brothers
154. Willie Nelson
155. Ike and Tina Turner
156. Traffic
157. Fats Domino
158. Nina Simone
159. Grateful Dead
160. Dolly Parton
161. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five
162. Buddy Guy
163. Journey
164. Jackson Browne
165. Bonnie Raitt
166. Paul Simon
167. Curtis Mayfield
168. Drifters
169. A Tribe Called Quest
170. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
171. Elvis Costello and the Attractions
172. The Band
173. Frank Zappa
174. Ventures
175. The Stooges
176. Dusty Springfield
177. Carole King
178. Joni Mitchell
179. Bill Haley
180. Pat Benatar
181. Linda Ronstadt
182. Bobby Darin
183. The Doobie Brothers
184. Cher
185. Brenda Lee
186. Clyde McPhatter
187. Todd Rundgren
188. LaVern Baker
189. Buffalos Springfield
190. ABBA
191. James Taylor
192. Ricky Nelson
193. Sam and Dave
194. Gladys Knight and the Pips
195. The Four Seasons
196. Alice Cooper
197. T-Rex
198. Randy Newman
199. George Harrison
200. The Ronettes
201. The Shirelles
202. Parliament Funkadelic
203. Mamas and the Papas
204. Leonard Cohen
205. The Zombies
206. Everly Brothers
207. Martha and the Vandellas
208. The Platters
209. The Coasters
210. The Four Tops
211. The Flamingos
212. Lionel Richie
213. John Lee Hooker
214. Dave Mathews Band
215. Carl Perkins
216. Gene Vincent
217. Gene Pitney
218. The Lovin Spoonful
219. The Righteous Brothers
220. Little Anthony and the Imperials
221. Patti Smith
222. Ruth Brown
223. Tom Waits
224. Ritchie Valens
225. Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers
226. Big Joe Turner
227. Jimmy Cliff
228. Little Willie John
229. Solomon Burke
230. The Dells
231. Rascals
232. Bobby Womack
233. George Michael
234. Eddie Cochran
235. Rage Against the Machine
236. Faces/Small Faces
237. Albert King
238. Jimmy Reed
239. Dave Clark Five
240. Duane Eddy
241. The Moonglows
242. Percy Slege
243. Dr John
244. Etta James
245. Sheryl Crow
246. Lloyd Price
247. The Staple Singers
248. Bobby Blue Bland
249. Dion
250. Del Shannon
251. Darlene Love
252. Peter Frampton
253. Paul Butterfield Blues Band
254. Stevie Nicks
255. Laura Nyro

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 11:40am

I cant confidently make a ranking if every act cause uve not heard every album by every act. I don't even know any any Clyde mcphatter, dells, or moonglows songs.

I have made a rank by each class tho, only accounting for each act I've heard every album by

Posted by will m on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 11:43am

richie

Mariah Carey, Eric B & Rakim, Queen Lafitah, Luther Vandross, New Edition
I think all slam-dunks next year.

Aaliyah, the Replacements, the Bangles,
give you solid 8 performer inductees.

Probably some of Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy, Hooties, Alanis, Bunneymen, Devo, most of them have ZERO chance or ship has sailed.

Cyndi Lauper, Warren Zevon no chance since they were screwed by Kate Bush disaster.

Posted by lc on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 11:47am

lc,

Out of the acts who missed out on induction this year for 2024, Who do you think have the best chances at induction next year for 2025?.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 12:00pm

sidenote before I start ranking: I hate the new official rock hall website, so annoying and the inductee page is so much worse than it had been previously. the previous form was absolutely fantastic btw.

86:chuck berry, little Richard, buddy Holly, Robert johnson
87; haven't listened to every album by any this year
88: Beatles Dylan Beach Boys
89: Stones, Stevie wonder,
90; who, kinks, Simon Garfunkel,
91 only byrds
92 hendrix, yardburds
93CCR, Cream, Van, doors, Sly stone,
94 the band, Elton, lennon, dead, Marley, Rod,
95 Neil young allman bros, zeppelin, al green, janis
96 Bowie, velvets, Floyd,
97 CSN, Springfield, Joni
98, eagles fleetwood, Santana,
99 Billy Joel, springsteen, mccartney
00 J Taylor, EWF Clapton, lovin' spoonful
01 sttelely Dan, queen, p Simon, aerosmith
02 t heads, petty, Ramones,
03 Costello, clash, police, acdc,
04 G Harrison, Prince, seger, j browne, zz top
05 Pretnders, u2
06 blondie, sabbath, Skynyrd, pistols,
07, Patti Smith, REM, Ronettes, Van Halen (super hard)
08 mellancamp, cohen, madonna
09, Metallica, beck, run DMC,
10 stooges, genesis
11 Alice Cooper, waits
12 (SMall) faces, GNR, chillis, beasties, donovan
13 rush, heart, donna
14 e street band, nirvana, Gabriel, Linda, kiss, hall and oates
15 Joan Jett, Lou Reed, green day, Ringo
16 cheap trick, deep purple, Chicago, Steve miller, nwa, bert berns
17 yes, Pearl jam, ELO, journey
18 moodies, cars, dire straits, bon jovi
19 cure zombies, Stevie, Roxy, def Leppard radiohead
20 t Rex Depeche, doobies, biggie, NIN
21 Carole, go gos, Tina, Randy roads foos
22 Judas priest, P benatar Carly Simon, Duran duran
23 rage, spinners, Sheryl, missy
24 MC5, Frampton, Ozzy, buffet Tribe foreigner

Posted by will m on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 12:04pm

richie,

I believe I am accurate.

I said on the Steve Hoffman Forum under the username Poseidon that
only the top 5 of the vote are based on actual voting results.

So ATCQ, Cher, Kool, and Mary are the top 4.
Foreigner is likely to have made it to #5 through money (just like I said on the Steve Hoffman Forum).

I wouldn't rule out DMB, Peter Frampton, and Ozzy using weighted votes like last year.

After #5, it's all weighted votes rather than actual voting results.

This aligns with the message I posted on the Steve Hoffman Forum using the username Poseidon.

So I believe I am still accurate.

Richie, you should see my accuracy.

I will continue to make accurate predictions.

Posted by lc on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 12:06pm

lc,

Yes, I believe that you are accurate, but I have to tell you one thing, Nominating Committee member Alan Light said on his podcast Sound Up with Mark Goodman that he was told that 6th, 7th and 8th place finishers were all within a few votes of each other so the Rock Hall put them all in. He also heard there was more distance between 8th and 9th place than 1st and 8th. So I believe that you are still accurate and I should see my accuracy, and You will continue to make accurate predictions, and I believe that Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy, Alanis Morissette and Devo all have a chance of getting in if on the ballot next year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 12:18pm

Nom com member danyel smith just published a piece on Luther Vandross

2025?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6d5jS2NkTk/?igsh=MTVjMGdmcWs2YTYxaw==

Posted by Mat r on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 12:31pm

I'd love to see Luther in. He is so influential, his songs are staples, and yes, I love his voice in a completely respectful way.

Posted by K-Dawg on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 13:14pm

I've got zero perspective on Luther. I only know he was gay, he did some schlock Christmas songs, and he's been mentioned in always sunny in philadelphia. to me he seems one of the lesser soul candidates, I'd rather like to see Mary wells or ben e king (double induction) get in.

Posted by will m on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 13:24pm

I apologize I now realize how condescending that sounds cause it is. I got nothing against Luther I just know very little on him. from my perspective he doesn't seem very influential. but I'm a rockist I really don't have any perspective on his spehere of music at all.

Posted by will m on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 13:29pm

Luther is one of the most influential male rnb acts in 80s.

Influential in Quiet Storm movement. Influence D Angelo, John Legend, Boy II Men.

I think he will be nominated and then inducted in the next year.

Posted by power on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 13:32pm

Two inductee deaths were announced in the same day! Richard Tandy of ELO and Duane Eddy. One closer to the original rock and roll, and the other coming from a part of its eternal evolution. This means one name is added, as most of 2017 is still alive, and one is removed, as most of 1994 is dead.

Of the 12 living inductees from 1994, half of them are members of Grateful Dead.

So far Richard Tandy, Duane Eddy, Mike Pinder, Dickey Betts, Denny Lane and Henry Farmborough have died since the ceremony, a very small amount compared to previous years. This class is probably too big for a tribute performance.

Living members of classes where a minority, half, or none of the inductees are still alive:

1986: 0. They're dead, Jim.
1987: 2/26 (Smokey Robinson and Mike Stroller)
1988: 8/25 (Berry Gordy Jr., Diana Ross, Paul McCartney, Ringo Star, Bob Dylan, Al Jardine, Mike Love, and Brian Wilson)
1989: 8/28 (Dion, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor, Ron Wood, Bill Wyman, Stevie Wonder, and Otis Williams)
1990: 13/30 (Bob Gaudio, Frankie Vali, Abdul "Duke" Fakir, Mick Avory, Dave Davies, Ray Davies, Art Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, Carole King, Brian Holland, and Edward Holland Jr.)
1991: 5/21 (Chris Hillman, Roger McGuinn, Richard A. Brooks, Jerry Butler, Fred Cash)
1992: 11/30 (Steve Cropper, Booker T. Jones, Ernie Isley, Ronald Isley, Chris Jasper, Sam Moore, Eric Clapton, Chris Dreja, Jim McCarty, Jimmy Page and Paul Samwell-Smith)
1993: 14/28 (Eric Clapton, Doug "Cosmo" Clifford, Stu Cook, John Fogerty, John Densmore, Robby Krieger, Jimmy Merchant, Herman Santiago, Gregg Errico, Larry Graham, Jerry Martini, Freddie Stone, Rosie Stone, and Sly Stone)
1994: 12/29 (Eric Burdon, Allen Price, John Steel, Garth Hudson, Elton John, Tom Constanten, Donna Godchaux, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, and Rod Stewart)
1995: 11/25 (Al Green, Jai "Jaimoe" Johanny Johanson, John Paul Jones, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Rosalind Ashford, Betty Kelly, Lois Reeves, Martha Reeves, Annette Sterling, and Neil Young)
1996: 12/27 (Gladys Knight, Merald "Bubba" Knight, Jack Casady, Jorma Kaukonen, Grace Slick, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Shirley Alton Reeves, Beverly Lee, John Cale, and Maureen Tucker.)
1997: 19/39 (Barry Gibb, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young, Graham Nash, Jackie Jackson, Jermaine Jackson, Marlon Jackson, Tito Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Grady Thomas, Eddie Brigati, Felix Cavaliere, and Gene Cornish)
1999: 4/22 (Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and Mavis Staples)
2000: 13/28 (Bonnie Raitt, Philip Bailey, Larry Dunn, Johnny Graham, Ralph Johnson, Al McKay, Verdine White, Eric Clapton, James Taylor, Steve Boone, Joe Butler, John Sebastian, and Clive Davis)
2002: 10/20 (Brenda Lee, Marky Ramone, David Byrne, Chris Franz, Jerry Harrison, Tina Weymouth, Ron Blair, Mike Campbell, Stan Lynch, and Benmont Tench.)
2004: 9/18 (Bob Seger, Verne Allison, Michael "Mickey" McGill, Jackson Browne, Dave Mason, Steve Winwood, Frank Beard, Billy Gibbons, and Jann S. Wenner)
2008: 6/16 (Dave Clark, Lenny Davidson, John Mellencamp, Madonna, Kenny Gamble, and Leon Huff)
2012: 26/70 (Bobby Jones, Sonny Curtis, Billy Davis, Lawson Smith, Claudette Rogers Robinson, Mike D, Ad-Rock, Donovan, Steven Adler, Duff McKagen, Dizzy Reed, Axl Rose, Slash, Matt Sorum, Izzy Stradlin, Flea, John Frusciante, Jack Irons, Anthony Kiedis, Josh Klinghoffer, Cliff Martinez, Chad Smith, Kenny Jones, Rod Stewart, Ron Wood, and Glyn Johns.)

Dead members of each class where a majority or half of the inductees are alive:

1993: 14/28 (Ginger Baker, Jack Bruce, Tom Fogerty, Ray Manzarek, Jim Morrison, Etta James, Sherman Garnes, Frankie Lymon, Joe Negroni, Ruth Brown, Cynthia Robinson, Dick Clark, Milt Gabler, and Dinah Washington)
1998: 17/30 (Glenn Frey, Randy Meisner, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Christine McVie, Gene Vincint, Lloyd Price, Denny Doherty, Mama Cass Elliot, John Phillips, David Brown, Allan Toussaint, and Jelly Roll Morton) The most alive 20th Century class.
2001: 14/26 (Johnnie Johnson, Jake Carey, Zeke Carey, Johnny Carter, Sollie McElroy, Nate Nelson, Paul Wilson, Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury, Richie Valens, Solomon Burke, and Walter Becker)
2002: 10/20 (Chet Atkins, Gene Pitney, Issac Hayes, Joey Ramone, Johnny Ramone, Dee Dee Ramone, Tommy Ramone, Howie Epstein, Tom Petty, and Jim Stewart.)
2003: 16/24 (Benny Benjamin, Floyd Cramer, Steve Douglas, Bon Scott, Malcom Young, Joe Strummer, Bobby Hatfield, and Mo Ostin)
2004: 9/18 (Chuck Barksdale, Johnny Carter, Johnny Funches, Marvin Junior, George Harrison, Prince, Jim Capaldi, Chris Wood, and Dusty Hill)
2005: 11/17 (William Powell, Percy Sledge, Pete Farndon, James Honeyman-Scott, Frank Barsalona, and Seymour Stein.)
2006: 17/28 (Miles Davis, Sid Vicious, everyone from Lynyrd Skynyrd other than Artimus Pyle, and Jerry Moss)
2007: 15/19 (Cowboy, Ronnie Spector, Estelle Bennett, and Eddie Van Halen)
2009: 14/21 (Bill Black, DJ Fontana, Bobby Womack, Jeff Beck, Tracy Lord, Cliff Burton, and Jason "Jam-Master Jay" Mizell)
2010: 21/30 (Eric Haydock, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Cynthia Weil, Ellie Greenwich, Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman, and Otis Blackwell.)
2011: 8/12 (Glen Buxton, Dr. John, Leon Russell, and Art Rupe)
2013: 15/18 (Albert King, Donna Summer, and Neil Peart)
2014: 20/24 (Kurt Cobain, Brian Epstein, Clarence Clemons, and Danny Federici)
2015: 15/27 (Bill Withers, Lee Crystal, Lou Reed, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield, Billy Davenport, Sam Lay, Stevie Ray Vaughn and everyone from The "5" Royals.)
2016: 21/25 (Terry Kath, Jon Lord, Eazy-E, and Bert Berns)
2017: 24/28 (Tupac Shakur, Alan White, Richard Tandy, and Chris Squire)
2018: 16/25 (Alec John Such, Ric Ocasek, Benjamin Orr, Graeme Edge, Denny Lane, Mike Pinder, Ray Thomas, Nina Simmone, and Sister Rosetta Tharpe)
2019: 33/36 (Steve Clark, Graham Simpson, and Paul Atkinson)
2020: 14/23 (Michael Hossack, Keith Knudson, John Hartman, Andy Fletcher, The Notorious B.I.G., Marc Bolan, Steve Currie, Mickey Finn, and Whitney Houston)
2021: 14/22 (Taylor Hawkins, Tina Turner, Billy Preston, Randy Rhodes, Florian Schneider, Gil Scott-Heron, and Charlie Patton, and Clarence Avant)
2022: 24/28 (Sylvia Robinson, Dave Holland, Harry Belafonte, and Elizabeth Cotten)
2023: 13/21 (George Michael, Everyone from the Spinners other than John Edwards, Don Cornelius, and Link Wray.)
2024: 25/43 (Phife Dawg, Leroi More, Ed Gagliardi, Ian McDonald, Ronald Bell, George Brown, Robert "Spike" Mickens, Claydes "Charles" Smith, Dennis "Dee Tee" Thomas, Ricky Westfield, Jimmy Buffet, Michael Davis, Wayne Kramer, Fred "Sonic" Smith, Rob Tyner, Norman Whitfield, Alexis Korner, and Big Mama Thorton)

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 14:51pm

I love Luther! The nominal leader of the 80's R&B romanticists…Peabo Bryson, James Ingram, Freddie Jackson. Interesting that people are predicting him as an easy entry next year, but Sade would've been dead last this year. They shared air space on Quiet Storm radio. I guess the men will always have it easier. *Side eyeing the campaigns to acknowledge ATCQ, EB&R and others but ignoring Queen Latifah and Salt n Pepa….*

The argument against him and his progenies and his female counterparts though (ie. Anita Baker) is that they glossed over the conventional soul traditions of the 60's and commercialized R&B in a way that wouldn't sit well with rock purists. Ie. David Foster-style overproduction, melodrama, bombast etc. But his style was a necessary stepping stone to the Babyface era and the Neo soul movement of the late 90's when R&B abandoned melodies for glacial tempos and introspective lyrics. I would've thought the Hall would just altogether skip the Luthers and Anitas to go straight for the Maxwells and Erykahs since Neo soul aligns more with their taste…

Posted by ChrisD on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 14:58pm

Follower,

You gotta add Wayne Kramer as one of this years deaths

Posted by Will m on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 15:03pm

Will m,

He wasn't an inductee at the time of his death, so he doesn't count.

Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 15:09pm

lc,

Yes, I believe that you are accurate, but I have to tell you two things: Nominating committee member Alan Light said on Tony Kiriluk (aka Shrek on here)'s Road To Jamnation podcast last year that 7 is now the target number for Performer inductees, not 5, Also, He said on his podcast Sound Up with Mark Goodman regarding this year's inductions that he was told that the 6th, 7th and 8th place finishers were all within a few votes of each other so the Rock Hall put them all in. He also heard there was more distance between 8th and 9th place than 1st and 8th. So I believe that you are still accurate and I should see your accuracy, and You will continue to make accurate predictions, and I believe that Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden, Thin Lizzy, Alanis Morissette and Devo all have a chance of getting in if on the ballot next year.

Posted by richie on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 15:19pm

Richie

I said on the Steve Hoffman Forum under the username Poseidon that
only the top 5 of the vote are based on actual voting results.

So ATCQ, Cher, Kool, and Mary are the top 4.
Foreigner is likely to have made it to #5 through money (just like I said on the Steve Hoffman Forum).

I wouldn't rule out DMB, Peter Frampton, and Ozzy using weighted votes like last year.

After #5, it's all weighted votes rather than actual voting results.

This aligns with the message I posted on the Steve Hoffman Forum using the username Poseidon.

Posted by lc on Thursday, 05/2/2024 @ 15:45pm