The Small Faces/The Faces
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Inducted in: 2012
Inducted by: Stevie Van Zandt
Nominated in: 2012
First Eligible: 1992 Ceremony
Inducted Members: Ronnie Lane, Steve Marriott, Ian McLagan, Kenney Jones, Ron Wood, Rod Stewart
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This band will never get the recognition they deserve. It is with this band that the Black Crowes and London Quireboys learned about garage r & b; not the Stones. It is too bad Rod got too big for his spandex. This is a great band.
Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 16:59pm
The Faces have been considered but NOT the Small Faces?? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever considering the criteria above.
Posted by Laura on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 04:10am
The Small Faces are one of the best British invasion bands most Americans have never heard. Either that or they know Itchycoo Park, which is a great song but does not paint an accurate picture of what this band had to offer.
Posted by popguru on Monday, 06.23.08 @ 21:46pm
Whoever comments on the small faces and needs to put them down really pi**es me of and they obviously where not there at the time.I was and they where fantastic and the music industry is sadder without Ronnie Lane and Steve marriott.I tried and failed,they did and succeeded, and all the bands today owe there music history to these guys,even if the concieted sods don't admit it,all the so called critics should try and stand there in front of an audience and entertain them and most of them are talentless sods,it was the best era,we had the best bands all around London,North,South,East,Or West and i am better for the experience,God bless them all and especially those that are not with us anymoreTel Strange,Herne Bay,Kent.
Posted by terry strange on Friday, 10.17.08 @ 12:03pm
Believe me, The Small Faces did not go un-noticed here in the Land of Oz (NYC). They were simply, great!
Posted by Dameon on Friday, 10.17.08 @ 14:36pm
Come on, these guys not only influenced dozens of sloppy but sharp bar bands, but they invented the "party room", for God's sake! You know, the extra hotel room rented to have a place for the party and not use someone's room. How many other bands have these guys played in? Hm...Woody in the Stones, Jones in the Who, McLagan with the Stones and on countless albums as a session player, not to mention the Bump Band? Ronnie Lane? Rod... before the big sell-out???
Posted by Allan on Wednesday, 12.3.08 @ 22:13pm
It makes no sense whatsoever to me that the Small Faces aren't in the Hall. They were an amazing band and had a big impact on the course of rock history. And Steve Marriott - Lordy! If you don't know them well, Youtube them, my friends. You won't be sorry.
Posted by Padraig on Friday, 02.13.09 @ 20:20pm
Can anyone name a band more worthy than the Small Faces that has been overlooked for as long as they have? They were just extraordinary. I agree with the first comment about the "American Rock and Roll Hall of Fame". They didn't sell big in the US, so they are dismissed as unworthy while the Dave Clark Five, a band with less than one tenth of talent of the Small Faces, just sails right in. It isn't right.
Posted by Mickey on Saturday, 04.18.09 @ 09:11am
No to the Small Faces. I'm not familiar with the influence that had across the pond, so if someone would fill me in there, that'd be nice. But "Itchycoo Park" is one of the more annoying records of the British Invasion. I own an anthology on Small Faces, and overall, I thought it was pretty forgettable stuff.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 04.18.09 @ 09:29am
So you think All or Nothing, The Universal, Afterglow of Your Love, the SF's amazing covers of Tim Hardin's tunes and their concept album Ogden's Nut Gone Flake, to name just a few, are "pretty forgettable"?
Posted by Jazzy on Tuesday, 04.21.09 @ 21:23pm
I don't remember all the tracks, I'd have to dig up the CD. I just remember not being all that impressed.
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 04.21.09 @ 22:22pm
I think Itchycoo sums up the whole flower power generation pretty succinctly. Skipping school, feeding the ducks, that whole higher consciousness thing if you know what I mean. It's all toooo beautiful, man. Come on Philip, don't be square.
Posted by Arrow Man on Tuesday, 04.21.09 @ 23:16pm
You're pretty close with the age Arrow Man.
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 04.21.09 @ 23:21pm
I happen to think Itchycoo Park is a great, brilliantly crafted single, but it isn't at all representative of the Small Faces body of work.
Posted by Carl Y. on Wednesday, 04.22.09 @ 07:28am
And Philip, your comment about Rod Stewart being the only reason anyone remembers the Small Faces shows a great deal of ignorance and American bias on your part. So if a band was huge in the UK and Europe but did not get significant airplay in the US, they are automatically forgettable in your limited world view?
Posted by Carl Y on Wednesday, 04.22.09 @ 07:46am
I am not sure that they would have been regarded in the same manner as the Who and Kinks, but IMO, The Small Faces were a very important band. And what is all the craziness about Itchycoo Park. When I was a teenager and in a band, that was an extremely important song.
Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 04.22.09 @ 11:36am
I think they would have evolved into a band as great - or greater - than the Who or the Kinks had they stuck it out and kept moving forward from Ogdens. While they were very prolific, they still were only active between the years 1965 - 1968. And they were just kids. One can only imagine what they could have accomplished if Steve hadn't become frustrated and dumped Ronnie and the others. Splintering into Humble Pie and the Faces did none of them any good, IMHO. Nothing against either band, but they just didn't have the style, the uniqueness, the energy, or the electricity of the Small Faces.
Posted by Jazzy on Wednesday, 04.22.09 @ 15:02pm
The Small Faces and Humble Pie will be two bands who sadly, will never have a chance of getting in. The reason being I read a biography on Humble Pie on Rolling Stone Magaizine's website in which they refered to the late, great Steve Marriott and I quote, "Steve Mariot brandished one of the most annoying voices in rock: a hectoring sandpaper parody of black authenticity". That comment makes me so angry because they run the hall and fail to realize his influence on so many singers. Take Robert Plant for example, he was a huge Small Faces fan and for the song "Whole Lotta Love" he essentially covered Mariott's take on "You Need Loving". Also, even though I am a big Zepplin fan and think that Plant and Marriott do have slightly different voices, is that on thier 100 greatest singers list Plant is 15 and the man who influenced didn't even make the list. It's ignorance to denie influence even on later bands like The Black Crowes Marriott's influence can be found. Small Faces and Humble Pie in my opinion are really underrated in the U.S. In England Marriott did make it to number 4 on a 100 greatest rock singers poll for Classic Rock Magazine( if only the men behind that magazine ran the hall). Steve Marriott's legacy will live on even if the Hall and Rolling Stone do not realize it. In addition I just want to say the only reason I blog on Rolling Stone is to support my favorite bands and critize the hall. Thanks to anyone who read this whole post.
Posted by Dude Man on Wednesday, 04.22.09 @ 20:27pm
I read your whole post Dude Man, and I agree with everything you say, except that I think the Small Faces have a chance of getting in (I'd agree with the 30 something percent given here) while Humble Pie has no shot.
Posted by Mike G on Thursday, 04.23.09 @ 14:09pm
I love both bands tremendoustly Mike G and they are both worthy of a hall meant to honor the greats ( which it doesn't), but that doesn't mean we can change the fact that the people who vote the artists in hate Steve Marriott and they will not let The Small Faces in due to thier own stubborn opinion.
Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 04.23.09 @ 15:58pm
"You've basically admitted to being clueless about the Small Faces' material, so why not either get educated or kindly STFU?"--Carl Y.
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 04.23.09 @ 19:44pm
Posted by Mike G on Thursday, 04.23.09 @ 20:53pm
I took it upon myself to dig up my CD of their stuff again today, and give it another listen.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 19:09pm
Philip, did you listen to thier cover of "You Need Lovin'"? If you did then listen to "Whole Lotta Love" in it the vocal interpretations of Willie Dixon's lyrics sound incredibly similar. Plant and Mariott are both great singers, but no matter what the critics say, Marriott came first and was the better singer. Also, here's a quote from Marriott, "Robert Plant used to follow us around. He was like a fan", yet Marriott had no problem with Plant being heavily by him. Next, on Rolling Stone's "100 Greatest Singers list" they had ballots sent in from famous musicians. On Ozzy Osbourne's ballot he put Marriott as the fourth greatest singer and Clem Burke of Blondie put Marriott in the 16th slot and wrote under it "greatest rock singe"(obviously meaning singer). Also they were more than a psychdelic rock band. They also had a lot to do with hard rock . Listen to "Come on Children" and "Wham Bam Than You Mam". Both very proto-metal or at least I think they are. And a lot of happy mod and upbeat rock like "Tin Soldier", "Sha la la la lee"(even though the band themselves hated it), and "All or Nothing". Really a good band and if you don't like them that's fine, but in my opinion and you can quote me on this, they were the best British Invasion band to never make it big here in the U.S.A.
Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 20:01pm
Dude Man, I compared my CD track listing with the album tracks listed in Billboard's Top Albums, book. There were three (four, if you count Ogdens' charting twice). And surprisingly, there weren't that many album tracks. Strangely enough, "Sha La La La Lee", "Wham Bam Thank You Ma'am". I'm trying to find a link to the CD I've got to give you an idea what I've got to work with. It's an 18 track CD. First track is "Here Comes The Nice", and the last one is "The Autumn Stone."
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 20:21pm
Found it... it's this CD here:
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 20:27pm
Well that's cool that you found the songs, but if you don't think they're worthy that's okay. I still feel they are.
Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 20:41pm
That's fine, I can agree to disagree.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 20:44pm
I'm a relatively young fan (27) of the Small Faces, but I literally stumbled upon them somewhere on line several years ago and have become a huge fan. I'm not good with
Posted by Misha on Wednesday, 05.13.09 @ 22:22pm
It seems as though Itchycoo Park is one of those songs people either love or hate. I think it's great; it's a complex song with fantastic structure and arrangement. But even among the Small Faces, there were differing opinions about it. Kenney Jones loved it, but I heard an interview with Ian McLagen in which he said he had really hated the song. It was completely Ronnie Lane's song and when McLagen joined Ronnie for a brief tour near the end of Ronnie's career, he told Ronnie he did not want to perform Itchycoo. Ronnie agreed, but was, according to Mac, completely crushed. Sometime after Ronnie's death, he found himself listening to the song again and suddenly found a new appreciation for it and he now performs it live.
Posted by CLL on Friday, 05.15.09 @ 07:03am
I'm not trying to categorize them simply as a psychedlic rock band. The Small Faces certainly weren't psychedelic rock in the same way the Seeds, Blues Magoos, or Easybeats were. The Small Faces were more of a flower-power psychedelia. To me, "flower-power" and "psychedelia" go hand-in-hand; however, not everyone shares my assessment, so if that threw you, I apologize. They were bluesy, but their style was also very much synchronous with the flower-power psychedelic scene. I've seen at least one other comment on this thread that partially concurs with that.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.15.09 @ 23:32pm
Philip, I agree completely about The Moody Blues needing to be inducted, but I'm not sure about the other three bands you mentioned. I have never heard a song from The Spencer Davis Group(I only know that Steve Winwood was in the band) or Hollies and I have only heard one song by the Zombies("Time of the Season"). Also I would have no problem if The Faces could be inducted with The Small Faces, but I doubt that will happen. They didn't induct Jefferson Starship with Jefferson Airplane and only The Faces have been consider and not The Small Faces. The hall basically picks what members of a band they want to be inducted(ex. Gary Cherone). Bottom line The Small Faces were just a really good rock band that I feel needs to get thier due.
Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.16.09 @ 11:42am
Well, they did but didn't induct Jefferson Starship. When you go to the Hall's site and read the bio on Jefferson Airplane, they very much combine the Jefferson Starship and Starship years as part of the biography of Jefferson Airplane. And honestly, they were right to exclude Gary Cherone from Van Halen's induction.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.16.09 @ 12:04pm
I never tried to affend you Philip and if I did let me say I'm sorry. Rest assured I'll look up the songs you mentioned and write back as soon as I can and remember we can still have different opinions.
Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.16.09 @ 12:42pm
Naw man, you've been respectful, and are a really cool new member of our little family of regular posters. Lemme know what you think of the other three groups.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.16.09 @ 21:52pm
Philip...another group I remember from around that time was called the Sorrows...they had a song called "Take A Heart" and did a real kickin' version of "Indian Reservation"...BEFORE Paul Revere & the Raiders did it. Just seeing if you remember them.
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 05.17.09 @ 08:18am
Actually, I think Don Fardon (the lead singer of the Sorrows) is credited with doing "Indian Reservation"...even though it sounds like the Sorrows. Kinda like John Fogerty solo sounding like CCR, I guess. It's easy to pinpoint who the influences are within a band....
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 05.17.09 @ 08:46am
The Blues Magoos I remember them from the "Easy Rider" soundtrack (We Ain't Got Nothin' Yet). While we're at it, let's not forget the Holy Modal Rounders (If You Want To Be A Bird)...a group Captain Beefheart would be proud of....LMAO!!!
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 05.17.09 @ 09:15am
I wanted to add this version of "Indian Reservation" to see who remembers it;
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 05.17.09 @ 12:53pm
Hey Philip, just checked out the bands you mentioned. Overall The Zombies are really the only one of those bands I can say I'm a fan of, but still don't think they should be inducted before The Small Faces. I had hear "Gimme Some Lovin'" before, but didn't know it was by The Spencer Davis Group. It's an alright song. Looked up the The Hollies and "Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress" has a good riff to it. Keep in mind I've never really been a fan of Crosby, Stills, and Nash(I do enjoy Neil Young's solo career because I tend to enjoy harder rock). Not saying any of those bands don't belong in, but in my opinion I still think The Small Faces belong in more.
Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 05.17.09 @ 16:45pm
Just to throw in my 2 cents, because I am well familiar with all four bands (The Zombies, Small Faces, Spencer Davis Group, The Hollies) I think a proper order of induction would be
Posted by Jonny on Monday, 05.18.09 @ 23:13pm
"real kickin' version of "Indian Reservation"...BEFORE Paul Revere & the Raiders did it."
Posted by Keebord on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 14:21pm
Dude Man, Long Cool Woman was after Graham Nash had left the Hollies. For his Hollies-days stuff, Bus Stop, On A Carousel, I Can't Let Go, Look Through Any Window, etc. Long Cool Woman songs almost more like a CCR song than a Hollies song, and is pretty atypical of their overall catalog.
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 16:25pm
Sorry, I didn't know it was made after he left the band and I have not yet heard "On A Carsoul" and "I Can't Let You Go", so I'll look those up. Also, I agree "Time of the Season" is a standard, but I completely disagree about "Gimme Some Lovin'" being a standard and that no Small Faces songs are. "Itchyoo Park" is not even thier best song. The Spencer Davis were not very influencial, but The Small Faces influenced Led Zepplin, The Black Crowes, Blur, and alot of other artists.
Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 18:04pm
Gimme Some Lovin'... covered by the Blues Brothers, part of almost every pep band's canon at basketball and football (gridiron, not soccer) games, one that almost every cover band begins by learning how to play, still heavily played in Oldies radio and sometimes on classic rock stations... I don't see how you can say it's not a standard.
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 18:17pm
First off The Blues Brothers were a comedy sketch. Does the cowbell skit give "(Don't Fear) the Reaper" more credibility? Second, The Black Crowes had huge impact. They have sold about 20 million albums and are already getting classic rock radio play. Listen to "Come on Children" if you want to hear an influence in terms of music for Led Zepplin. As far as Blur, even though I have not really payed attention to them myself, it's a fact that they only rivaled Oasis in British alternative rock popularity.
Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 18:54pm
The Blues Brothers started out as a comedy sketch and evolved beyond it. They never tried to be a tour-de-force, but for what they did, they actually garnered a bit of critical respect.
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 19:26pm
Lots of rock subgenres have genres with in them. If you look up heavy metal there are dozens of subgenres. "Britpop" is what British alternative rock is called.
Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 19:42pm
I realize that, but being big within a subgenre of a subgenre isn't exactly a bell-ringer for worthiness.
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 19:49pm
Rock music is based on personal opinion and is subjective. Not everyone will enjoy a certain rock genre, but no one can deny that genre's impact.
Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 05.19.09 @ 20:37pm
I suppose, but it just seems to be getting to a matter of splitting hairs.
Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 05.20.09 @ 14:15pm
Good, keep on listening. Well I'll keep looking into The Hollies catalogue and see if anything grows on me.
Posted by Dude Man on Wednesday, 05.20.09 @ 16:32pm
Oi, this place has taken off more than a bit.
Posted by Padraig on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 14:36pm
I agree 100% Padraig. Steve was one of the greatest voices to ever greet a microphone and the band really doesn't get the respect they deserve. I'm not sure if they will get in because of Rolling Stone's hate towards Marriott, but I sure can hope.
Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 15:02pm
Honestly, I can't agree with the assessment of Steve's voice. I'll grant that he has versatility in his voice, but I'm not a big fan of its timbre and tone color. I also don't particularly like Robert Plant's voice, or Rod Stewart's for that matter.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 17:44pm
Don't understand, Philip. You'd see songs differently if they had been hits in America as opposed to somewhere else? I don't get that; either you like the songs or you don't. Why would it matter to your own ears if they were hits in Japan vs. the UK vs. Lincoln, Nebraska?
Posted by Padraig on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 18:49pm
Regardless if you don't personally enjoy his voice, you can't deny people have loved and been influenced by that voice. Who do you think are good singers? Also, I'm surpised with your choice of songs by the band. I know "Afterglow(of your Love)" is great, but I wouldn't consider "Collibuster" and "Donkey Rides, Penny A Glass" thier best work. "Tin Soldier", "All or Nothing", "Come on Children", and "Afterglow(of your Love" are my favorites. And Philip, no offense or anything, but the "Itchycoo Park" jokes are starting to get a little annoying.
Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 19:04pm
No no no, you read me wrong there. I like the songs just fine. My opinion of the songs themselves are the same regardless of how they charted.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 19:10pm
"Regardless if you don't personally enjoy his voice, you can't deny people have loved and been influenced by that voice."--Dude Man
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 19:21pm
Okay, I understand a bit better now, Philip, and I see what you mean about the Hall's bias towards US hit charters.
Posted by Padraig on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 19:34pm
"However and regardless of my disdain for certain Brit Pop acts, I don't think we can underestimate Britain's contribution to Rock and Roll from 1964 forward. And the Small Faces are a noted major influence on many of the British bands that followed them and these bands had hits all over the place, North America included. In that sense, I see them as "unique and influential in their genres." Plural left in, of course."--Padraig
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 19:42pm
That's okay, Philip. I swing both ways - American football and The Rest of the Bloody World Football. Rather like American football, aside from all the fits and starts and commercials.
Posted by Padraig on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 19:55pm
"But I'm tellin' ya, they'll get in. And it will probably be Marriott's voice that tips the scale for them. Between youtube and the upcoming inductees you mention, that voice - and the Small Faces themselves - are forces that will have to be reckoned with."--Padraig
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 20:09pm
Aren't the (Small) Faces actually listed as one entity by the Hall? That would be the first thing that needs to be straightened out. They were different bands; the "Faces" name was only used because the record company insisted on it. And as I think about this, I wonder if this isn't one of the things that has thus far worked against the Small Faces...maybe they think of them as Rod Stewart's backing band before they grew to their full height.
Posted by Padraig on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 20:24pm
A couple things wrong with that statement. One, they're not listed as anything by the Hall. Neither the Small Faces nor Faces have been inducted. The only one I know of who does is Joel Whitburn, who owns and puts out the Record Research books. And he does it for reason number two. Two, they weren't completely different bands. The styles were different, but for the most part, the bands were the same, major difference being the lead singer. It's more akin to the same band deciding to go a new direction. As a sidebar, using the name Faces as a means to preserve continuity isn't really a bad thing. I mean, if you want to think of the Cadets and Jacks as separate groups, fine, but they really weren't. Three, the Small Faces weren't Rod Stewart's backing band at all until Steve left them to form Humble Pie. It's when they became Faces that they were "Rod's backing band."
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 21:01pm
Wait one minute; I'm not following this one:
Posted by Padraig on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 21:25pm
Like I said, stylistically, they were definitely not the same, but from a line-up perspective, they pretty much were.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 21:46pm
Oh, I forgot to get back to you Philip on the Hollies' songs. I really like "I Can't Let You Go" especially that backround riff. And "Look Through Any Window" has a great intro. As for the singers I think most of those are great(enough though I feel some of them don't belong because they are not rock and roll acts) and honestly I feel Marriott is right up there with them. Sorry, if I came off a little blunt about the kiding around. Joke as much as you want. And Padraig I have to tell you one sad truth. As much as you and I hope Steve's voice will play factor in there induction chances, it won't because critics hate it. Here's a direct quote from Rolling Stone, one of the key groups running the hall, about Steve's voice from thier entry on Humble Pie, "...Steve Marriott brandished one of the most annoying voices in rock: a hectoring sandpaper parody of black authenticity." I posted that before up top, but I'm guessing you didn't see it and that comment really gets me frustrated considering who he and the rest of the Small Faces influenced.
Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 21:54pm
Yo, Dude Man, I hear you, mate, but, re Rolling Stone:
Posted by Padraig on Friday, 05.22.09 @ 22:13pm
Interesting reading here :)
Posted by Mojo Pin on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 12:39pm
Keith Richards is a long time admirer of Steve Marriot's work (and of course Small Faces)
Posted by Mojo Pin on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 12:43pm
on youtube there is a very good documentary about a band. It helps to understand why they never toured in US and why Steve left them :-/ (which for me is a very sad thing because with Ronnie they were an excellent songwriting duo, although they wrote rather separately - for example I know that Tin Soldier, the Autumn Stone, All or Nothing, The Universal, Wham Bam Thank You Mam, I'm only Dreaming are Stive's songs - but there was a magic between them, they influenced and complete each other so well)
Posted by Mojo Pin on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 12:44pm
2. Now I would like to say something about Steve Marriot.
Posted by Mojo Pin on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 12:46pm
This another BBC documentary about a band, worth checking out IMO
Posted by Mojo Pin on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 17:53pm
Here's an interview from Dan Baird(former singer and guitarist for the Georgia Satellites) about how great Steve and the Small Faces were.
Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 20:53pm
With all due respect, talk is cheap. It's easy to say you admire and respect something, especially when that object of admiration is the subject of discussion and the lights and cameras are on. I mean, Paul McCartney once said that the Crew Cuts, being one of the first acts he saw live, made him want to become a singer. But no one's clamoring for the Crew Cuts' induction on this statement (except Roy).
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 05.23.09 @ 22:24pm
With all due respect, I don't understand Philip.
Posted by Mojo Pin on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 01:31am
'It's easy to say you admire and respect something, especially when that object of admiration is the subject of discussion and the lights and cameras are on'
Posted by Mojo Pin on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 01:41am
"With all due respect, I don't understand Philip.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 01:48am
"You know for example Paul Weller even when he was in The Jam, they had some SF's songs in their live sets. It's not fake he really love the band."
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 02:11am
Funny thing, I was just going through the Small Faces page on Rhapsody and there's a song called "Autumn Stone" which sounds a lot like "House of Cards" by Radiohead...as a matter of fact they're eerily similar.There was some obvious influence there...or, at the very least, a VERY strong coincidence. The point I'm trying to make is basically I agree with Philip...musicians can pretty much say anything about others, but the proof of influence is in the music they make...did they like them enough to emulate them...?
Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 08:03am
Why don't I have a quick round up of everything the Small Faces did? They had countless hits in the U.K., the predecessors to the '90s Britpop scene, experimented with many genres(country, blue-eyed soul, R&B, proto-metal, pop-rock, hard rock, vaudeville, ballads, beat, blues rock, etc.), and here's a short list of some of the musicians/bands who have been influenced, covered, or loved the music of Steve and The Small Faces:
Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 11:55am
Also, here's some film of the Steve Marriott tribute concert in which members of Oasis, The Jam, and several other famous musicians payed tribute to the legend:
Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 12:37pm
Thanks for all the links, folks. I think there are are several clips from the 2001 tribute to Marriott on youtube. I've got a copy of tape somewhere around here.
Posted by Padraig on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 20:39pm
I just found another fan to add to the list.
Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 21:42pm
Thanks for the great reading. Though, Dude Man, I don't know if I'd include Elvis Costello... there's a difference between inspiring/influencing a song and being an influence/inspiration on an artist/group as a whole. I think Gitarzan stated my point quite well.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 22:10pm
If I have some time in the next few days, I'll see if I can dig up their chart history. If anyone else has it handy though, please feel free.
Posted by Padraig on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 22:23pm
Well no analogy's ever perfect, but I think it makes the point. Both Richard Barrett and Jesse Belvin are considered pioneers in the West coast R&B style that permeated throughout the late 50s and through the 60's. Marv Johnson's inaugural recordings for the Motown (Tamla) labels/family served as a template for what would become known as the Motown sound. None of these men are in the Hall Of Fame for perhaps the same reason the Small Faces aren't.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 05.24.09 @ 22:57pm
Small Faces hit singles and UK chart positions:
Posted by Padraig on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 11:00am
Small Faces hit singles and UK chart positions:
Posted by Padraig on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 11:00am
Got another one, Gavin Rossdale of Bush is quoted calling the Small Faces a great band.
Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 11:18am
Opps, lack of U.S. hits I meant.
Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 11:19am
It seems to me that the fame of this band comes from what it manifested, and not so much what they did as a core group. Being a young teen (and aspiring musician) during their "heyday", I can assure you that outside of "Itchycoo Park", their exposure in the states was virtually non-existent (and I didn't know many people who were crazy about that song...reminded people of "Feelin' Groovy" by Harper's Bazaar).
Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 11:52am
Like I said, should exopsure shouldn't matter influence should. The Britpop scene, which don't have to be a fan of, but you can't deny it's importance, was heavily influenced by this band. The Velvet Underground made zero impact on the charts, The Stooges have been considered many times and did nothing on the charts, and the Ramones, people forget "Blizkrieg Bop" and some of thier other key sons didn't even dent the charts.
Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 12:28pm
Please ignore the fact that I made countless grammar mistakes in my post and will someone please delete "LIL JON's" comments. They have no relationship to this topic.
Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 12:32pm
So this is how journalists perceive the band.
Posted by Mojo Pin on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 13:32pm
Ogden's Nut Gone Flake was a no 1 album for six weeks. On its release, Melody Maker welcomed the album as: “incredibly, unbelievably, irresistible - just so groovy and quite indescribable.” ;-)
Posted by Mojo Pin on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 14:06pm
*Philip, not Phil. So sorry about that.
Posted by Mojo Pin on Monday, 05.25.09 @ 14:10pm
for me its
Posted by gityer on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 12:56pm
They probably didn't sell enough records here in the U.S. like they did in the U.K.. Sounds like a pretty good suspect to me. Other than that... What's keepin' em out of the RRHOF.
Posted by Joe-Skee on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 14:07pm
Dude Man, the VU and Stooges were both highly influential in the U.S. AND well-recognized for their songs, even if they didn't chart.
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 17:23pm
I believe thier influence came from thier music. Go up to Oasis or Blur and ask them about the Small Faces music and what impact it had on them. Besides the whole point you made is that they did not "get ample opportunity to do more in the U.S.". Well, the bands I mention didn't get any oppotunity either, but they still get respect. Look at all the people/bands that have admitted loving this band's music. Do all those fans mean nothing? Why are the opinions of the fans of the Stooges and the VU considered more important?
Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 17:40pm
"Well, the bands I mention didn't get any oppotunity either, but they still get respect."
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 18:13pm
"Other than that... What's keepin' em out of the RRHOF."--Joe-Skee
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 18:19pm
Posted by gityer on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 18:40pm
Liking one album at the time is a bit different from long-term memory.
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 18:43pm
Posted by Gityer on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 18:52pm
I hadn't when I typed the response, because your comment of "at the time" was the first thing that caught my eye, so I thought I'd make that point before reading the article. Is that okay? Am I allowed to do that?
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 19:08pm
Once again (with feeling), I don't think it's a matter of liking or disliking them...it's a matter of relevence as to whether they are HoF worthy, which I don't think the core group is. Marriott and Lane definitely expanded their horizons later on, and "Ogden" is considered a classic in a lot of circles. That being considered, you can say that about a lot of bands whose members went on to bigger & better things or groups that put out at least one "classic" album.
Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 19:08pm
"This is a page on a site dedicated to the Small Faces"
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 19:09pm
"That being considered, you can say that about a lot of bands whose members went on to bigger & better things or groups that put out at least one "classic" album."--Gitarzan
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 19:18pm
Okay, we get it already! You guys think "Itchyoo Park" is annoying. You don't have to bring it up every 5 seconds and in my opinion I can think of lots of Beach Boy songs just as annoying(for the record I'm not trying to offend any Beach Boy fans when I say that).
Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 20:10pm
"Okay, we get it already! You guys think "Itchyoo Park" is annoying. You don't have to bring it up every 5 seconds"
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 20:29pm
I don't see what could be so annoying about Itchycoo Park at all unless you are referring to it's hippy trippy lyrics. I grew up a punk rocker and we had no use for flared trousers and flower power either, but aside from that I don't see how it compares melodically or structurally to utter garbage like Scott McKenzie's "San Francisco" or fluffy tripe like the above referenced Harpers Bizarre tune.
Posted by Jazzy on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 20:38pm
"Maybe when/if Oasis and Blur get in, they'll use their moment to try and pull leverage for Small Faces. We'll see. IMO, no rush."
Posted by Jazzy on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 20:57pm
Yeah, we've discussed the different styles a little bit... in a strange way, it almost all falls under the "psychedelic rock" umbrella, since part of the psychedlic mindset was experimentation. *rimshot*
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 21:04pm
Okay...forget the fact that "Itchycoo Park" isn't exactly one of my favorites. Small Faces had 2 songs chart in the U.S...the aforementioned tune at No. 16, and "Tin Soldier" at like No. 73, I believe...not exactly stuff of legend. Also, to my knowledge they never toured here (I understand they were supposed to, but their keyboard player had some "legal issues"), and success in the U.S. was very important to most of the British bands in that era. Now, I'm sure that someone my age in the U.K. would have an entirely different perspective, since my understanding is that they were very successful there.
Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 05.26.09 @ 22:10pm
There is a small mistake in singles chart position
Posted by Mojo Pin on Wednesday, 05.27.09 @ 01:39am
Posted by Mojo Pin on Wednesday, 05.27.09 @ 05:10am
Up until now, I had no opinion whatsoever on the Small Faces. I always thought STAY WITH ME was a great song, but apparently were differentiating between the two, and I clearly have missed out on the good end. Up until now I had never heard the Small Faces, even once, in my lifetime. Admittedly, I had never purposely sought them out for anything, so part of that is on me. I have surrendered to the overwhelming logic that I must have missed the greatest thing since Tchaikovsky and dug upsome of their stuff.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Wednesday, 05.27.09 @ 05:36am
About the geography thing and influence - From an article around the the time (1996) Ray Davies awarded the Ivor Novello to the surviving Small Faces:
Posted by Padraig on Thursday, 05.28.09 @ 11:07am
The Jam's take on My Mind's Eye
Posted by Mojo Pin on Friday, 05.29.09 @ 14:40pm
"Fact is, I think GIMME SOME LOVIN is one of the most overrated songs that you are allegedly required to like when it comes to classic rock, or you get that funny look like you shouldn't have your own opinion about it."--Cheesecrop
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.29.09 @ 17:49pm
I don't know about liking it, but by standard, I mean a song you should at least be familiar with.
Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 05.29.09 @ 18:38pm
That's fine. I personally don't care for Aretha's version of "Respect" and I'm not too wild about Marvin's version of "I Heard It Through The Grapevine", but I think we would call those standards too. My point was, the Spencer Davis Group does have a standard. The Small Faces, not so much.
Posted by Philip on Friday, 05.29.09 @ 19:04pm
Ocean Colour Scene And Paul Weller - Song Of A Baker
Posted by Mojo Pin on Saturday, 05.30.09 @ 06:46am
Guess Who's covering Tin Soldier here(bad pun intended).
Posted by Dude Man on Saturday, 05.30.09 @ 10:04am
Posted by Padraig on Monday, 06.1.09 @ 22:59pm
Kaiser Chiefs - Lazy Sunday
Posted by Mojo Pin on Friday, 06.5.09 @ 06:47am
Of course the Small Faces belong in the R&R HoF. Duh. Why aren't they in? Discrimination against short guys if you ask me. If they were the Tall Faces or the Big Faces instead, they'd have been in ages ago. But they were all 5'3" and no one takes them seriously because of it. Oh, ain't they cute little geezers, like wee hobbits they are....
Posted by Jasmine on Friday, 06.5.09 @ 09:26am
I've found on youtube a documentary about Paul Weller. It's called 'PAUL WELLER - Highlights and Hang-Ups'.It's quite long but in this part he's talking about being a mod and about Small Faces . Ha there is even a short interview with Steve who's talking about The Jam :-)
Posted by Mojo Pin on Friday, 06.5.09 @ 15:05pm
Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 06.19.09 @ 09:25am
Plant's ripping off of all that was Marriott should be obvious to anyone who has ears.
Posted by Abel on Friday, 06.19.09 @ 12:33pm
Exactly they did hard rock, psychedelic pop, proto-punk, proto-metal, blue-eyed soul, set up a blue print for the '90s britpop movement, mod, vaudville, rhythm and blues, British invasion, beat, and were just an incredible band.
Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 06.19.09 @ 13:15pm
The Small Faces are one of the few major British Invasion artists left who aren't in the Hall yet (the others being The Hollies, The Moody Blues, The Zombies and The Troggs)
Posted by Keebord on Friday, 06.19.09 @ 13:28pm
The Small Faces should get in first. Perhaps the only reason these guys are even remembered is that Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood were part of the lineup
Posted by Keebord on Wednesday, 07.8.09 @ 16:26pm
Lest anyone have any doubts about the prior statements that Robert Plant's vocals were an attempt to rip off of the superior vocals of the teenaged Steve Marriott's:
Posted by Milt on Friday, 07.17.09 @ 10:38am
Influence of this band can be found in Led Zeppelin, The Black Crowes, Blur, The Jam, Oasis, The Sex Pistols, Quiet Riot, Great White, and The Libertines. Ozzy Osbourne listed Marriott as the 4th greatest singer of all-time and Clem Burke(of Blondie) called Marriott the "greatest rock singe". The Small Faces were just an amazing group.
Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 07.17.09 @ 11:00am
Even though I prefer the Small Faces lineup of the group(with Steve Marriott), the Faces certainly do have a good amount of influence too. I suppose it's only fair that if one goes in the other one goes in as well. After all, Rolling Stone uses the same article for the two bands on thier artists section on thier website.
Posted by Dude Man on Sunday, 07.26.09 @ 15:32pm
Sometimes I listen to a Small Faces tune, and I can hear how they influenced Cream.
Posted by Jonesy on Wednesday, 08.26.09 @ 22:20pm
I doubt they were an influence on Hendrix or Cream, but I have learned recently that Alice Cooper was a fan(I'm not saying he was influenced by them though) because he once said, "I like Jet a lot, because they remind me of the Small Faces,"(it was in the article where he compared Wolfmother to Jimi Hendrix and Steppenwolf.)
Posted by Dude Man on Wednesday, 08.26.09 @ 22:57pm
Jimi Hendrix said once that Steve Marriott's guitar solo on "Whatcha Gonna Do About It" was his favourite of all time. See humblepie.net for details. So I wouldn't dismiss the Small Faces having a very direct influence on Hendrix. He did arrive in London in '66, as their career was taking off and it would have been hard to miss them.
Posted by MaryQ on Saturday, 10.3.09 @ 12:46pm
I've heard about the Hendrix comments also. Guitar on Foxy Lady resembles Whatcha Gonna Do About It. Robert Plant very definitely modeled his vocal style after Steve. Ozzy & others have acknowledged that he was "the man."
Posted by MissMiscellanea on Sunday, 11.1.09 @ 18:51pm
Bob Dylan was big Steve Marriott fan too.
Posted by MaryQ on Tuesday, 11.17.09 @ 21:36pm
You guys heard their version of "If I were a Carpenter"...pretty badass
Posted by Jonny on Wednesday, 11.18.09 @ 00:04am
As covers go, The Small Faces "If I Were a Carpenter" is killa. Their version of Hardin's "Red Balloon" is pretty amazing as well. And I recently stumbled upon their version of "You Really Got a Hold on Me", which I'd never heard before. incredible band all around.
Posted by Sami on Wednesday, 11.18.09 @ 08:02am
Need to be in.
Posted by Frank on Friday, 01.22.10 @ 00:47am
"Need to be in."
Posted by Ralph on Friday, 01.22.10 @ 10:47am
Just watched the new DVD compilation of Small Faces performances. I always liked Green Circles a bit better than Itchycoo Park, as Small Faces psychedelia goes. The slower version sung by Marriott rather than Lane. But I really think of them more as a heavy, blue-eyed R&B band, their experimentation and amusing forays into Cockneyism aside. Tin Soldier, Song of a Baker, Rollin' Over.
Posted by Cat on Friday, 04.2.10 @ 11:20am
I landed here when I searched to find out when the Small Faces were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Posted by T. Jameson on Tuesday, 05.11.10 @ 20:35pm
No, they don't. But Small Faces do. I wish The Faces could just posthumously change their name to something else so people will stop confusing the two bands with each other. The Faces were a fine band, but the Small Faces are total legend.
Posted by Little James on Monday, 06.7.10 @ 16:56pm
It's crazy guys have never been nominated. They have got to be the most deserving band that's been eligible the longest that never has had a single nomination. Huge acknowledged influence on so many later groups and artists like the Clash, Pistols, The Jam, Elvis Costello, Squeeze, Oasis, on forward. Like everyone says the lack of American hits must be the reason, but American hits ain't everything, if they were the Monkees would be in already and the Jonas Brothers would be in the queue.
Posted by JimDee on Wednesday, 10.13.10 @ 22:14pm
I think the versatility of the Small Faces actually goes against them. They don't really fit into a box as they experimented with everything; they were just hugely talanted kids in a sweet shop plus they were badly managed. Steve, in particular, did not want to be pigeon-holed and had huge disagreements with management over which songs should be released as singles. He heartily disliked some of their releases. He could see the way music was going in the late 60s and wanted to bring in Peter Frampton as he knew his own guitar playing, although certainly competent and powerful, could not compete with the Jimmy Pages and etc. Unfortunately the other members of the band wouldn't agree and Steve stormed out, for which the others never forgave him.
Posted by Claire on Wednesday, 02.23.11 @ 01:48am
Forgot to say that I think a lot of people judge the Small Faces by what Steve became; to misquote someone "an embarrassing sordid speck hovering on the outskirts of the music business". Steve crashed and burned in a spectacular rock-god sort of way and it's probably a bit too close for some people to take.
Posted by claire on Wednesday, 02.23.11 @ 02:29am
I agree with much of what Clair says above. So many "ifs" with the Small Faces. They were clearly improperly managed, and I agree that their refusal to be type cast has often worked against them. To some they are an R&B band, to others a pop band, still others a psychedelic band, then there is the Oliver-inspired cockney stage material....on and on it goes. It's hard to believe they only existed for 3 years.
Posted by Bob Arroyo on Monday, 03.14.11 @ 00:40am
The Small Faces
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 09:55am
The Small Faces
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 08.24.11 @ 09:55am
"Stay With Me" is NOT an Essential Small Faces song. It's not a Small Faces song at all.
Posted by Oliver J. on Sunday, 09.18.11 @ 12:04pm
The Small Faces / The Faces
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 08:05am
Finally a nomination!
Posted by Oliver J. on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 14:54pm
They are being nominated as The Small Faces/The Faces because The Faces were a continuation of The Small Faces. Three members of The Small Faces were also members of The Faces: Ian McLagan, Ronnie Lane and Kenney Jones. I guess the Rock Hall really wants to give Ron Wood and Rod Stewart second inductions. There is a possibility that The Small Faces/The Faces will join The Grateful Dead and Parliament-Funkadelic as the only bands with more than 9 members each inducted.
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 17:27pm
When you post something on the The Small Faces/The Faces page, it shows up as only The Small Faces on the main page. Did you do that intentionally? Can it be changed? Do you plan on closing The Faces page after they are inducted as The Small Faces/The Faces?
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 17:44pm
"They are being nominated as The Small Faces/The Faces because The Faces were a continuation of The Small Faces."
Posted by Susie Q on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 18:59pm
I guess then the Rock Hall didn't want to have to induct Ian McLagan, Ronnie Lane and Kenney Jones twice, and they really wanted to induct Ron Wood and Rod Stewart again.
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 20:05pm
Small Faces and Faces keyboardist Ian McLagan told Billboard.com that "it's about bloody time" his bands were nominated but said he felt that grouping the two together was "a bit insulting. If we have to go in as a combo, that's not right. It's a dollar short and many years too late -- but I'll take it." Two of the Faces are already in the Rock Hall: Rod Stewart as a solo artist; and Ron Wood as part of the Rolling Stones. Drummer Kenney Jones was briefly in the Who but was not inducted with them in 1990.
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 21:27pm
Congrats? RT @Ian_McLagan: Small Faces and Faces are two different bands, but the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame are shamefully unaware of this. about 3 hours ago
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 22:05pm
The Hall must be aware they are different bands.
Posted by Susie Q on Tuesday, 09.27.11 @ 23:14pm
They are being nominated as The Small Faces/The Faces, but I bet once they are inducted the Rock Hall will list them as The (Small) Faces on their website, or maybe not.
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 09:59am
It's clear what the surviving Small Faces and their fans think of it, but I'd be interested in hearing what Faces fans think of the merging of the two different bands. However, they seem to be a little harder to find. ;)
Posted by londonsburning on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 10:30am
Is it possible that maybe the Rock Hall nominated them as The Small Faces/The Faces, but they will induct them separately, and we'll have 6 instead of 5 inductees next year? It could be what the Rock Hall's plan is. I'm going to email them and tell them to do it that way. If they nominated Wanda Jackson in the main performers category and then inducted her as an early influence, I think they could nominate The Small Faces/The Faces together and then induct them separately. Ian McLagan, Ronnie Lane, Kenney Jones will join Stephen Stills as the only inductees to be inducted twice in the same year. We'll get two separate induction speeches and two performances.
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 20:47pm
The Small Faces/The Faces has to be the most ridiculous nomination in the history of the R&RHoF, even more ridiculous than Conway Twitty's nomination. That assessment has nothing to do with their worthiness, though. The Small Faces, featuring Steve Marriott, Ronnie Lane, Ian McLagan and Kenney Jones, were a great, influential band that straddled the subgenres of folk rock and psychedelia featuring the best work that Steve Marriott has ever done. The Faces, featuring Rod Stewart, Ronnie Lane, Ian McLagan, Ron Wood and Kenney Jones, were a great, influential, alcohol-fueled pub rock band featuring some of the best work Rod Stewart has ever done. Yes, they share three members, but they were two entirely different bands, and just because you liked one didn't mean you liked the other.
Posted by Charles Crossley Jr on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 20:54pm
Interesting point about the induction performance.
Posted by Susie Q on Wednesday, 09.28.11 @ 22:49pm
Susie Q, don't count your chickens before they hatch.
Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 07:12am
Hypothetical questions, Paul, asked primarily illustrate the absurdity of merging two different bands for nomination.
Posted by Susie Q on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 11:06am
Susie, I was assuming you might want them in (I don't) & that you'd be jinxing yourself.
Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 12:39pm
I can't jinx them, Paul. What will happen will happen. As the Small Faces once sang themselves, "What becomes of me is meant to be, so I'll just groove along quite naturally."
Posted by Susie Q on Thursday, 09.29.11 @ 13:00pm
Wait a minute, if the Rock Hall nominated them as The Small Faces/The Faces, then why the hell didn't the Rock Hall nominate and induct Jefferson Airplane as Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship?
Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.3.11 @ 05:50am
Actually,there is a precedent of sorts to Small Faces/Faces and that goes back to the third year of the HoF.
Posted by Roy on Monday, 10.3.11 @ 21:01pm
Charles, I think reason #3 is the most likely.
Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.9.11 @ 15:30pm
"Something else to chew on: the first hit album from the Rod Stewart-led band was credited to "Small Faces". So it seems that they did indeed try to be masters of reinvention, keeping the same name, and then later just dropped the Small."
Posted by londonsburning on Wednesday, 10.12.11 @ 12:59pm
"Covers aside, most people today would only recognize Stay With Me and perhaps Every Picture Tells a Story. I love Debris, but it's not at the top of too many playlists."--londonsburning
Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.12.11 @ 17:39pm
"Small Faces could not have gotten nomination on their own. They're there on the coattails of the Rod Stewart band."
Posted by londonsburning on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 16:03pm
"'Big Five" British bands of the 60's (the other being the Beatles, the Who, the Kinks, and the Stones)" - londonsburning
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 16:12pm
Final proof, Philip, just take a gander at the offical Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's induction page.
Posted by londonsburning on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 16:14pm
The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Kinks and the Who are the undisputed "Big Four" but I think the Animals and the Yardbirds both have a bigger claim to being part of the "Big Five" than the Small Faces, and that's not to dump on the Small Faces, just sayin.' Hey, maybe even the Spencer Davis Group or the Hollies have a better claim than the Small Faces. Maybe not in the UK, but definitely in the US.
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 16:15pm
Tahvo - Please reread my comment about the Big 5 in it's proper context. I was specifically quoting Mick Jones of the Clash who listed the Small Faces in the Big 5, and indicating that many British fans of the era and later artists would agree with him. And that many Brits consider the Hall to have a heavy American bias and consider illegitimate.
Posted by londonsburning on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 17:03pm
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 17:32pm
"Tahvo - Please reread my comment about the Big 5 in it's proper context."
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 18:28pm
Philip, what mostly negates the argument that they are the same band is the band members all considered them to be 2 different bands. Not only did they create entirely different music, Steve Marriott was not just the frontman, he was the primary songwriter. He was not in the Faces. And Rod Stewart, the most visible member of the Faces was not in the Small Faces. Nor was Ronnie Wood.
Posted by Susie Q on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 19:07pm
If the Small Faces really did influence the Clash, I'd say that is a major thing to consider; however, I don't hear much crossover from their sound to the Clash's, but I'm always willing to give it another listen. Otherwise, I'd also say that Mick is personally propping up his personal fandom of the Small Faces. From an objective standpoint, there are other groups that have much more claim to the title, both in the US and the UK: the Animals, the Yardbirds, Cream, the Zombies, the DC5..., I'd put the Small Faces right to that claim on the as Freddie And The Dreamers... not that they were similar bands, but that their claim is about as big.
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 19:08pm
I think you just live in your own little bubble, Philip. If something isn't in it, it doesn't exist. Objective standpoint, my foot.
Posted by Susie Q on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 22:29pm
We know what Ian McLagan thinks about the ridiculous merging of the two bands, but here's an older quote from drummer Kenney Jones about the Small Faces vs. The Faces.
Posted by Susie Q on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 22:48pm
We know what Ian McLagan thinks about the ridiculous merging of the two bands, but here's an older quote from drummer Kenney Jones about the Small Faces vs. The Faces.
Posted by Susie Q on Thursday, 10.13.11 @ 22:53pm
G'sus, no need to make this so personal. It's nice to have a healthy discussion but c'mon, there's no need for this one-upmanship.
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 04:26am
Susie Q, yes, I am being objective, or at least trying to be. I have copy/pasted the last paragraph. The first three things listed are facts, point C refers to the actual text of the bio. Point D is not as factual, but is reasonable conjecture given that bluesier artists have an easier time getting nominated and inducted than the more experimental artists, and by Wenner's affirmation that rock'n'roll is "the music of the Black man". That tells me that the powers-that-be prefer bluesier musicians. Here is what I said:
Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 14:53pm
LOL, Tahvo, but I think Philip may have deliberately been trying to start a flame war equating the mighty Small Faces to Freddie and the Dreamers. Arent' they the band that had a goofy dance they did? I can't remember much else about them.
Posted by londonsburning on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 14:55pm
LOL, Tahvo, but I think Philip may have deliberately been trying to start a flame war equating the mighty Small Faces to Freddie and the Dreamers. Arent' they the band that had a goofy dance they did? I can't remember much else about them.
Posted by londonsburning on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 14:57pm
Freddie and the Dreamers??? Man I LOVE those guys!! Right up there with Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas in terms of Hall of Fame worthiness for sure, I'm telling you now!!!
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 15:01pm
london, I'm not trying to start a flame war, I promise you. I compared Small Faces to Freddie And The Dreamers because they both have a certain 'quirkiness' about them. Of course, in the case of F&tD, that quirkiness stems more from a nerdy image, and the Small Faces quirkiness is more of a "are they on drugs?" kind of thing. I still hear "The Universal" and think "WTF?"... "Donkey Rides Penny A Stick".... again, this may be a cultural thing, but it's hard to take any song with "donkey" in the title all that seriously. Not that I dismissed the song on title alone, but after I heard it, I thought "the fact that 'donkey' was in the title should have been an indicator."
Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 15:05pm
Sorry, that's Penny A Glass, not Penny A Stick, I believe
Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 15:07pm
The Small Faces had lots of UK-Euro hits. A couple were a bit Brit quirky, but nothing like that ridiculous Freddie and the Dreamers totally Shadows imitated song and dance routine. The Small Faces were mostly a hard core R&B based and pre-metal band with some later psychedelic overtones. So why skip singles like Tin Soldier, All or Nothing, Whatcha Gonna Do About It, Afterglow of Your Love, I Can't Make It, Rollin' Over, Autumn Stone, Red Balloon, etc. in your song list? Why ignore the acknowledged direct influence Marriott and the SF's had on Robert Plant and Zep with songs like You Need Loving and Come On Children? Why ignore what Elvis Costello has to say about what the Small Faces taught him or how Mick Jones ranks them? Or the influence they had on so many other artists that followed?
Posted by Susie Q on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 03:24am
"The Small Faces had lots of UK-Euro hits. A couple were a bit Brit quirky, but nothing like that ridiculous Freddie and the Dreamers totally Shadows imitated song and dance routine. The Small Faces were mostly a hard core R&B based and pre-metal band with some later psychedelic overtones. So why skip singles like Tin Soldier, All or Nothing, Whatcha Gonna Do About It, Afterglow of Your Love, I Can't Make It, Rollin' Over, Autumn Stone, Red Balloon, etc. in your song list?"
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.15.11 @ 18:55pm
The Small Faces / The Faces
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11.3.11 @ 10:33am
I have a feeling The Spencer Davis Group is next because of this Small Faces/Faces nomination!
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 11.17.11 @ 07:53am
Why can't you make this show as The Small Faces/The Faces on the main page? Is it impossible?
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 07:33am
"I have a feeling The Spencer Davis Group is next because of this Small Faces/Faces nomination!"
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 08:32am
First off from this side of Pond, Rolling Stone Mag is a joke always has been,they pushed iggy pop and NY dolls as being ground breaking so they have No respect, Steve Marriott could blow any band off of stage at any given time, Unfortunatly Steve told it like it was and Never kissed anyones ass and Made enemys in Business side of Music. steve belongs in HOF, truly an original greatest soul singer ever
Posted by big rick on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 10:55am
And they demonstrated their disrespect for Steve Marriott once again by inducting Rod Stewart's backing band jointly with the Small Faces. If they think that much of (Rod Stewart and) the Faces, they should have been nominated on their own.
Posted by Pat on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 12:26pm
Well, I proffer the olive branch to the Small Faces faithful. We'll never know how the joint nomination came to be, which side was considered stronger by the NomCom, or even whether Rod's promise to try and reunite Faces was a factor in getting them votes. But they're in together, so let's bury the hatchet here and now.
Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 12.7.11 @ 21:11pm
One song? It's the collective body of work and it's influence they're being honoured for, but if it's an all or nothing question, well then, it's got to be All Or Nothing.
Posted by Timbo Canterbury on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 01:13am
Lazy Sunday kind of struck me as the kind of carefree, fun-loving lyrical style you saw in earlier songs, but with a touch of mod, as they're considered the quintessential mod band apparently.
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 02:19am
'Tin Soldier' gets my vote.
Posted by Claire on Thursday, 12.8.11 @ 05:27am
The Faces versus Small Faces debate going back 2 years on this blog has been facinating to read. There really is a Euro preference for the Small Faces and an American preference for the later band. But the Rock Hall's official bio calls them "two bands in one," which pretty strongly suggests they are being treated as a single inductee and that neither would probably have made it without the other. I regarded the Faces as the best band not in the Hall up to this point on the basis of their incredible live show and that 3 members - Jones, Stewart and Wood - all went on to further stardom. In my mind, Faces also fairly gets credit for all the great Rod Stewart solo hits up through 1975 (Maggie Mae; Every Picture; You Wear it Well, etc) because they were the band playing them on the road. In America, for a few brief years, they rivaled the Stones, the Who and the Kinks as the greatest Brit rock band.
Posted by Charles McGarry on Sunday, 12.11.11 @ 08:01am
What will the trophies say for those who were only members of The Small Faces and for those who were only members of The Faces? Someone will have to ask Rod Stewart and Ron Wood to show their trophies to the camera so we can read them.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 12.15.11 @ 06:36am
They'll all say "Small Faces/Faces". That's how their inducting them, that's what the inscriptions will say.
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.15.11 @ 13:25pm
The Faces page has finally been taken down. Joy Division/New Order is next for induction and that's where joint inductions will stop. Trust me!
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01.26.12 @ 07:28am
JOINT INDUCTIONS: What Was/What Should Have Been/And What Will Be
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 01.28.12 @ 06:42am
The 2012 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 02.16.12 @ 23:57pm
No Jimmy Winston? He was a founding member of the Small Faces.
Posted by Kathy on Monday, 02.20.12 @ 22:46pm
Kathy, not really. Were there differences? Yes. Were the differences more likely the result of the natural evolution of the sound than the dissolution of a group and the formation of a new? Yes.
Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 02.21.12 @ 16:54pm
"Were the differences more likely the result of the natural evolution of the sound than the dissolution of a group and the formation of a new? Yes."
Posted by GrahamR on Friday, 03.9.12 @ 19:32pm
Thanks for your input Graham, but again, when you listen to the First Step album, you hear that natural evolution. Steve Marriott was not the lynchpin of the group. Steve Marriott is not the "All Or Nothing" member of the Small Faces. No one member was.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 03.10.12 @ 13:43pm
PS... "heavier direction"... heavier like "Pool Hall Richard" and "Stay With Me" heavier? Because those were heavier than what the Steve Marriott era band did.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 03.10.12 @ 13:48pm
Why don't you just go sick to the induction!!
Posted by Roy on Friday, 04.13.12 @ 23:06pm
Might as well throw in Humble Pie too since they already put The Small Faces and The Faces together. Then they wouldn't have to worry about inducting Frampton solo.
Posted by Arrow Man on Saturday, 04.14.12 @ 17:45pm
Faces want NRBQ and The Monkees inducted!
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04.15.12 @ 08:03am
"PS... "heavier direction"... heavier like "Pool Hall Richard" and "Stay With Me" heavier? Because those were heavier than what the Steve Marriott era band did."
Posted by Jake on Friday, 05.4.12 @ 12:31pm
Posted by Happy on Tuesday, 05.22.12 @ 22:16pm
Humble Pie mentioned by Steven Van Zandt in his induction speech for The Small Faces/The Faces.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 06.7.12 @ 22:52pm
I'd read Stevie Van Zandt's almost gushing induction speech about the Small Faces, but was just able to watch the HBO televised version and I see that it was severely truncated in favor of the Faces. And when the surviving Small Faces/Faces were walking out to accept their awards "Whatcha Gonna Do About It" was playing to the crowd, but the broadcast version changed it to a Rod Stewart sung Faces song instead.
Posted by faaker22 on Wednesday, 09.5.12 @ 01:08am
Ian McLagan RIP
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 12.3.14 @ 20:08pm
RIP Ian, your keyboards were the identifying factor for both eras/bands.
Posted by Philip on Thursday, 12.4.14 @ 12:45pm
I just heard the news today.
Posted by Joe on Thursday, 12.25.14 @ 02:31am
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