Of course GnR will get in. Appetite is one of the best albums ever, Slash is such an amazing guitarist, and Axl (even though he's a dick) has an amazing voice. Guns and Roses are so influential, they should definitelt get in.

Posted by Stephen on Monday, 07.24.06 @ 21:56pm

Of course GN'R will be inducted. They are legends in their own right. Appetite is one of the greatest rock albums ever. GN'R dominated at a time where hair metal ruled the charts changing rock forever with good honest rock n' roll. &&. it should be a chance to get them all together :D Guns N' Roses should be inducted, it's not a rock n' roll hall if they ain't in it!

Posted by Saza on Wednesday, 08.2.06 @ 17:04pm

Yes, that's right, it's not a rock n' roll hall if they ain't in it! I always thought that Guns and Nirvana were the greatest rockbands that this universe offered! No Doubt that they will be inducted but Axl will not be present :D, i'm kidding

Posted by Andrew on Thursday, 08.3.06 @ 11:05am

They will definitely get in! They are still selling thousands of copies of Appetite every week! They changed the music world. Slash is probably one of the most well known and famous rock stars still alive today!

Posted by Ash on Saturday, 08.12.06 @ 08:55am

In the late 80's and early 90's, GNR were on top of the world. Those types of bands are extremely rare, and are exactly the types the Rock Hall needs to be honoring.

Posted by c.w. on Monday, 08.28.06 @ 11:59am

Guns 'n' Roses have created a legacy out of one okay-ish album and Axl Rose finding new and exciting ways to be a douchebag. No hall for them.

Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 08.29.06 @ 16:08pm

Guns N' Roses will definitely get in. Appetite is one of the most influential albums and also high grossing. Even though, they were a short lived band they still had an array of talent.

Posted by hellspawn007 on Saturday, 09.2.06 @ 15:27pm

GUNS WILL DEFINATELY GET IN.

Posted by BRIAN on Monday, 09.25.06 @ 16:11pm

Whoever says GnR wont get in has a date with my fist. They are one of the most original hard rock bands that were out there and completely dominated their time period.

Posted by Gavin on Wednesday, 10.11.06 @ 17:40pm

they are the greatest band in the world axl is the king and aaaaaaah and hellspawn by the way they are still going shows whta you know !!ha all there albums are great!

Posted by adm on Thursday, 10.26.06 @ 07:27am

why is everyone keep on going on about appetite although yes it is the greatest album ever everyone is forgeting about lies and use your illusion 1&2 and the (spagetthi incident!)

Posted by guitarist 6754 on Thursday, 10.26.06 @ 07:30am

GNR sucks...
they didn't contribute anything to the Rock music

Posted by pixie_alice on Thursday, 10.26.06 @ 14:33pm

Guns N' Roses will get in eventually. They had the popularity and the influence it takes. The only question is, how long will the judges snub them?

Posted by Tim on Thursday, 11.16.06 @ 17:52pm

GNR suck now, they were gr8 until Axl found out he could take over the band, they totally suck now.

Posted by Frodijr on Thursday, 11.23.06 @ 11:19am

Highest grossing debut album, countless awards and being notoriously dangerous. If that dosn't get you in, nothing will. Actually, I take that back. I saw on future balots, theyre including 2pac and 50 Cent and the Backstreet Boys. They'll let anyone in.

Posted by ECWNET on Saturday, 11.25.06 @ 14:23pm

I believe that GUNS N ROSES Are on of the greatest rock artists that ever lived. They helped reshape ROCk N Roll for the late 80s, early 90s. I mean they have been inducted into Rollingstone Magazine 100 Greatest artists of rock N Roll, They entered the Top 10 list of the 100 greatest Artists of Hard Rock on Vh1. and they are considered one of the most influential artists in Rock History. They also have never recieved a negative review by the critics on their Almbums, which makes them one of the most important Groups in rock N Roll.

Posted by Frank Commisso on Thursday, 11.30.06 @ 22:51pm

Gnr was great then and they are great now. Axl justs needs to release the damn Chinese Democracy Album

Posted by andrew flatley on Saturday, 12.9.06 @ 14:57pm

the single most influential band ever. anybody after them have some form of a GNR influence

Posted by curt on Sunday, 12.10.06 @ 09:53am

OFCOURE they'll get in...they kick ass. If those poppie shithole metallica twats can get in then I say INDUCT GnR right now!

Posted by ad on Monday, 12.11.06 @ 14:17pm

hellya guys out there!!! Guns N Roses will definitely get in...they r one of the greatest rock bands ever produced (especially slash one of the all time greats) n they r n influence 2 most of the modern rock bands....so they definitely will n if they don't thn it probably will b a shame 2 the rock n roll hall of fame....

Posted by randy on Wednesday, 12.13.06 @ 03:28am

Izzy Stradlin is the only one of the original lineup with any talent. People love to stroke Slash's ego, but can you actually point to anything innovative or technically challenging he's done?

One fairly good album followed by decades of crap from Axl and Pals.

Posted by William on Monday, 01.8.07 @ 18:19pm

The intro to Sweet Child O' Mine, while not inovative still ranks imo s the greatest guitar intro i have ever heard

Posted by Mate on Tuesday, 01.9.07 @ 09:58am

I dont care who you are you know that GNR will get into the Rock N' Roll Hall because they are the greatest band that ever played a show. After all the high placement on the billboards and plenty of the Greatests Charts there is no way that they wont get in.

Posted by Mat on Tuesday, 01.16.07 @ 16:30pm

You've failed to explain how their popularity makes up for them never breaking any new ground or making more than one decent album.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 01.17.07 @ 09:54am

Yes. It would also reunite them.

Posted by Master on Saturday, 01.20.07 @ 19:44pm

William, I feel you. I kinda thought Appetite was their only decent album too. But it was so huge, man. (And I'd argue that Slash is really one of the great guitarists.) Hell, I'd argue that Nirvana only made one really excellent album, and I think they deserve it.

Seriously, I hear what you're saying, but I think that one album was actually good enough.

Posted by Al on Wednesday, 01.24.07 @ 08:14am

Look i never liked guns and roses i think their guitarists and drums are but Axl Rose should be in Hell i hate him to the bottom of my soul he mistreated Kurt Cobain and his wife Courtney Love by saying they were F#$%^ing junkies when when he was doing more heroin and crack more then Kurt and Courtney combined I think HE should not be in the Hall because he is a true asshole and not someone people should be seeing when they go to this great place.

Posted by Bryan on Thursday, 02.22.07 @ 13:41pm

Hey William have you ever heard all their music? Every song they wrote was a work of art. Yes their fist album was their best but you cant forget their other albums. Oh and "never breaking any new ground" what are you talking about? Appetite for Destruction has sold over 25 million copies one of the best selling albums ever, and that was their fist album. Name one band that has sold over 25 million copies with their first album, you cant because that album is the best selling debut album ever. Everyone has heard a GNR song weather they are rock or rap influenced.

Posted by Mat on Sunday, 02.25.07 @ 20:38pm

This really shouldn't be in for debate. The real question though is...will Slash and Axl make up by then?

Posted by maplejet on Friday, 03.2.07 @ 06:14am

Of course yes. I just can't wait to see the fiasco that will take place at the induction.

Posted by AZ Dave on Sunday, 03.4.07 @ 10:22am

Guns N Roses are the deffanition of Rock N Roll. Thats true ####ing talent right there. If they dont get in then no one deserves to be there.

Posted by Maggie on Monday, 03.12.07 @ 21:10pm

I think they will definitely get in...it would be gr8 to see Slash, Axl, Izzy, Duff, and Steve back together again...that is if they want to

Posted by Kiley on Wednesday, 03.14.07 @ 14:58pm

GNR will get in, but a reunion of the original members seems destined to end up like Van Halen.

Posted by c.w. on Wednesday, 03.14.07 @ 16:02pm

hell no i hope they dont get put in the hall of fame guns n roses is a bitch band they were cool with there first album but axel rose disgraced the band with his attitude and wtf waiting 10 years for new gnr and find out its never coming out gnr+late 80's bitch band

Posted by GARY LEMON on Thursday, 03.15.07 @ 12:46pm

wtf some people must have terrible taste in music. How could you say appetite was their only decent album, the illusion albums are works of art, not many bands can make so many great epic songs, the only other bands I can think of that could do it are Zeppelin and Pink Floyd 2 of the greatest bands of all time. They should get in first year of eligibility or else the hall will lose all credibility, especially if they let bands like U2 and REM on first year.

Posted by samaran on Thursday, 03.15.07 @ 15:22pm

Exactly like with Metallica, this band is to big to be ignored. They need to be in the Rock and hall of fame. Otherwise the whole hall looses it's credibility, if the biggest giants aren't even in there.

Posted by Metallica_fans on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 04:18am

GN'R should definitely be in. They are one of the best bands to come out of well..ever. If not for their music, they should still be inducted for the awesome concerts they have. They give the most entertaining concerts. I was lucky enough to have a friend that had some front row tickets. i went with him and we caught the drummers towel. kick ass

Posted by jlw on Sunday, 03.25.07 @ 17:01pm

GNR is not at all like Metallica except that they both made their strongest material earlier and got progressively worse over time. The biggest difference is that Metallica had about four times as many good albums under their belt before they turned to crap. Then there's the part where Metallica was actually kind of important to thrash whereas hard rock had already come and went without GNR.

If Guns N' Roses had come out about 10 years earlier, they'd have been outshined by all the better hard rock acts of the mid-'70s and probably forgotten, but oddly enough, being a decade late makes them seem just different and "original" enough to market to idiots who weren't aware of the growing alternative scene.

Posted by William on Friday, 03.30.07 @ 01:42am

No way, they were god in the l8 80's and early 90's but now axl took them over & now they totally suck ass

Posted by frodijr on Wednesday, 04.4.07 @ 13:22pm

William I seemed to have found that you praised the untalented douche bags from the grunge era who couldn't play. You and your little alternative loving friends seem to think that popularity doesn't count, and that Guns and Roses didn't break any new ground. We will get to the one decent album thing. Popularity has to have some focus to get into the hall. If it didn't you would have bands that no one ever heard of getting in. It's sad but there are great artists who release albums and never get heard from. Second Appetite For Destruction was not a decent album, it was a great one. No it wasn't their only good one either. Did you ever hear of Lies of Use Your Illusion 2? Probably not because they didn't have all the top 40 hits people seem to go for. I do not understand the breaking the new ground thing. Do you know how hard it is to come up with your own distinctive sound, that hasn't been used to at least some small degree? Especially since rock has been around for over 50 years now. The new ground thing sounds like a lame excuse to put semi-talented bands that play garbage (but sound unique), in the hall over bands that can actually play.

Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 04.10.07 @ 06:20am

Who are these hard rock acts from the 70s that would have outshined them? Led Zepplin and Aerosmith would have been their only competition. Yes, they were better than Aerosmith in any era. As for Zepplin I won't go there. You obviously have a bone to pick with the scene they were from. Sorry it looks like you love grunge, and cant handle the fact that these guys music easily
runs roughshod over that scene. As for grunge, it wasn't original. Punk music, overamplified, and all crying about how bad life is. How did Guns and Roses albums get progressively worse over time? Their last studio albums came out in 91. Use Your Illusion 1 was good and 2 was even much better. It seems like you wan't to make them out to be a one trick pony like Nirvana.

Posted by Frank on Tuesday, 04.10.07 @ 06:32am

Unfortunately for your point, Mike, Kim Thayil, Buzz Osborne, and Dale Crover (especially Dale Crover) could all play quite well.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 04.10.07 @ 09:18am

Better hard rock acts in the '70s? That's a toughie. Let me give it a shot:

Free, Cream, Jeff Beck Group, Blue Öyster Cult, Thin Lizzy, Foghat, AC/DC...All earlier and better than GNR.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 04.10.07 @ 19:17pm

guns n' roses will obviusly get in you can't say appetite for destruction is not ground breaking is fucking brilliant and kickass oh and about that douche who said axl should be in hell because he insulted kurt cobain and courtney love and that he did twice as much drugs as them combined i can only say one thing you have fucking mental problems kid and wtf with their albums getting progressiviley worse? and that afd was their only good album? every single person who said that deserves to die

Posted by godhimself on Friday, 04.27.07 @ 15:03pm

Free, Cream, Jeff Beck Group, Blue Öyster Cult, Thin Lizzy, Foghat all suck on gnr's balls the only band on the same level with gnr out of those you said is AC/DC

Posted by ohyeah on Friday, 04.27.07 @ 15:06pm

So aside from not consisting of total douchebags, showing up on the scene ten years earlier, and writing material that's both memorable and creative, not only for its time, but that has also dated well, how are they inferior to GNR? Nevermind that GNR lists several of those bands as inspirations. What about their sound makes them better or more creative? Is it the boring, mediocre solos or the wailing, cat-like vocals?

Posted by William on Friday, 04.27.07 @ 18:15pm

Well, duh.

Posted by Moni3 on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 19:17pm

Guns needs to get in the HALL..... GREATEST GUITARIST EVER!!!!.... GREATEST FRONT MAN EVER HANDS DOWN MOTHERFUCKERS!!!! LONG LIVE GNR!!!

Posted by Izzy999 on Sunday, 05.20.07 @ 02:07am

Axl and those other guys don't deserve the Hall.

Posted by Luiz on Thursday, 05.24.07 @ 22:12pm

Anyone who thinks that we should get in can
SUCK MY DICK.

Posted by Axl on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 23:01pm

Anyone who thinks that G n R(Axl and those other guys)should get in....can SUCK AXL'S DICK

Posted by Slash on Tuesday, 05.29.07 @ 00:50am

For me, they belong to the same category as AC/DC, Aerosmith and Van Halen so their place is in

Posted by roméo on Thursday, 06.7.07 @ 11:16am

anybody who really knows rock music will say gun and roses(original line up ofcourse) were the best and greatest band evr to hv existed on this mother earth...maybe led zeppelin pinkfloyd ac/dc n nirvana are the nxt in line...gnr is the classic prototype of a hard rock outfit..no pair wil nvr be able to recreate the magic of axl and slash working 2gether..they were really awesome..

Posted by gnrish on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 02:26am

Too bad Zeppelin and AC/DC were making seminal hard rock records a full ten years before GNR's one good album came out.

Posted by William on Friday, 07.6.07 @ 02:30am

They are the Rolling Stones of Hard Rock. Axl has the voice and showmanship and Slash can play any solo amazingly. I'll be surprised if those two will play together at the induction ceremony.

Posted by Seth on Saturday, 07.7.07 @ 18:02pm

wut fuck-ups "people from the grunge era couldnt play"? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT kurt cobain(ring any fuckin bells?), the guitarist of soundgarden,eric erlanderson of hole, and of course alice in fuckin chains you stupid axl rose loving fuck-heads. Now i will admit that slash is a great guitarist(i listen to VR) but jesus people who are complaining over the better artist at this point theres fuckin none. and godhimself can go fuck his axl rose fuckin ass

Posted by bryan on Tuesday, 07.24.07 @ 17:46pm

Message to Kit. YOU are a douchebag. I want to hear you sing night train. Oh wait, no I don't. I want to hear Axl sing it. You didn't sell 40 million records worldwide....did you, Kit? GN'R IS the rock n' roll hall of fame!
ps just to emphasize it again, you are still a douchebag.

Posted by Julie on Tuesday, 07.31.07 @ 03:13am

and also a message to grunge loving Bryan. Stop being a hater and stop using the word "fuck" so often. It shows how young and ignorant you are. Just because Kurt Cobain is cool doesn't mean anyone has to "fuck" Axl in the "ass".

Posted by Julie on Tuesday, 07.31.07 @ 03:20am

julie im sorry for the use of language i chose but axl rose is a a true fuck-up, yes i know about influence and all that stuff but who did he influence? slash influenced many guitarists that we know today, duff influenced many bassists we know today and matt sorum did the same but axl rose? what could he influence? ill point out what im saying axl acts like a bitch, stops concerts because people throw something onstage,and sings like a hamster on helium who would gain from that? at least grunge stopped the 90's from becoming a hair metal hell

Posted by bryan on Thursday, 08.9.07 @ 12:10pm

First of all, Guns 'N Roses is one of the big names in rock & roll and will undoubtedly be inducted into the Hall, but I can't help but wonder if some people are only saying it because they're GNR fans, or because they really, honestly do think GNR is the greatest band of all time, the most influential band of all time, and the greatest performing band, because they're nowhere close in any category.

Sure they're a great and influential band. Greater and more influential all-time bands? Try the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Who, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath, to name only a few.

Sure, they were great performers. Better performers? Try Cream, the Who, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppelin, the Allman Brothers Band, the Grateful Dead, Bruce Springsteen, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and Queen, to name a few.

So let's not kid ourselves. While GNR is certainly a big band and a future Hall of Famer, their are certainly bigger bands.

Posted by Drew on Saturday, 08.25.07 @ 12:18pm

"So let's not kid ourselves. While GNR is certainly a big band and a future Hall of Famer, their are certainly bigger bands."

Sorry, but there are fanboys on this site aswell.

"Sure they're a great and influential band. Greater and more influential all-time bands? Try the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Who, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath, to name only a few."

You forgot Oasis. And GNR arent so great they made one decent album

Posted by liam on Friday, 09.7.07 @ 15:00pm

Liam: You're forgetting that Oasis "rip-off" the Beatles so that automatically means that they suck. I'm not sure if GnR fanboys would stoop that low to say that about Oasis (considering how much of a ripoff band GNR is), but many of them are stupid.

Posted by Duffman Can't Breathe on Friday, 10.12.07 @ 13:41pm

Oasis do/did not rip off the Beatles; they did not ever suck

Posted by liam on Friday, 10.12.07 @ 14:01pm

"You and your little alternative loving friends seem to think that popularity doesn't count"

hmm. I think the Cure were popular

Posted by liam on Sunday, 10.21.07 @ 10:14am

Guns and Roses are defined by their stupid fans. Read the messages and see at how many of these idiots can't even spell. Their music is boring, regurgitated crap...can you spell boring?

Posted by Dick Tator on Monday, 10.29.07 @ 19:17pm

GnR blows whale ass, and although they were influential, they only influenced more crap. Why does everyone think selling a ton of albums is an indicator of success or greatness. They sold the majority of these albums in the 80's, a decade bankrupt of almost any talent.

Posted by jeff on Tuesday, 10.30.07 @ 19:03pm

I'm going to say no, mainly because their music is so damn repetitive and I couldn't handle it unless it was on the radio.

And....what's happening with CHINESE DEMOCRACY lol?

Posted by Tom on Sunday, 11.11.07 @ 10:12am

Guns N Roses=the best Hard-Rock group in history.
And Guns N Roses will be inducted in the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame in 2012.Welcome To The Jungle,Sweet Child O' Mine,Paradise City,Don't Cry,November Rain there are the songs that in 2012 will be inducted from GN'R....

Posted by william on Monday, 11.12.07 @ 08:05am

Yea i agree with the person below...
im SO sure it will.. Their awsome!

Posted by Amii on Wednesday, 11.14.07 @ 13:21pm

Yu fukin silly ass clowns. Slash is great, but you can thank axl for that. For fucks sakes give me a lead singer since axl that could match his intensity, anger, just his mere presence alone. He made that band, I know it, slash knows, and all you band wagon jumpers know it. Funny thing is your all sell outs, you all have the same thing to say. And so does slash. When do you ever hear Axl say anything. Silence speakes louder that words. You dig what the fuck im sayin HOmeFuck.

Posted by Chad on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 08:25am

I LOVE AXLS DICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CRITIZE OTHER PEOPLE CUS I SIT AT A COMPUTER 24/7 AND LOOK AT WIKIPEDIA 24/7 365!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANNA GET BUTT FUCKED BY AXL AND I WANNA GET TEA BAGGED BY HIM!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by william on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 16:04pm

I knew william would crack everyone could thank me later for getting this asshole to confess he has an axl fetish

Posted by bryan on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 16:06pm

"BAWWWWWWW!"-bryan

That's pretty much all I heard.

Posted by William on Sunday, 11.18.07 @ 18:48pm

Guns belongs and will undoubtably get in; most likely in their 1st year being nominated. I am not quite understanding the Guns haters, but you are all entitled to your opinion. Clearly there is a serious gap between those fans who loved 80's guitar rock and those who loved grunge, although I state that the two actually complimenty each other quite well. I love both styles. In fact, to me, they both played "Hard Rock". Yes, Axl is a bit off and Chinese Democracy should not be called a GnR album, but he certainly has his place as one of the great front men of all time. Slash played great talking guitar and also deserves his due. I would like to point out the Zep and Cream were nearly 20 years ahead of Guns. Actually, I think Cream released their 1st album in '66'. I know Zep's 1st was '69'. Without those two bands, it is unlikely that Guns, Nirvana, Soundgarden ever appear in the mindset of popular music.For all the alt/grunge rockers out there who blasted Guns here, may I ask this question? Why do you all seem to feel that Guns and those bands similiar to them are useless? Was their lyrical content not deep enough for you? Did it not touch on enough social issues for you? Or is this just a generation thing? As Mick and Keith said, "I know, it's only Rock and Roll, but I like it"!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Frankie on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 10:09am

"Why do you all seem to feel that Guns and those bands similiar to them are useless?"

Because GnR had one good album

Posted by liam on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 10:13am

Its not the number of albums sold that makes them great...otherwise today's popular "music" would be great- I love GNR, not because of their album sales, but because there's an honesty and rawness to this band that i find very special. William, you have a good point with those bands you bring up, however everything is influenced by something before them-including the beatles...and the use your illusion albums are absolutely great, although different from appetite. I wouldn't want them doing the same album over again- they were growing as musicians and their ambition is evident here, i dont need to name the songs they speak for themselves

Posted by Jessica on Wednesday, 11.28.07 @ 09:21am

Gnr will defiently get in. They made a decades worth of music look ridiculous and put their own stamp on music. They are a one of a kind band who has the number one selling debut album of all time. They had AFD and GNR Lies in the top 5 on the billboard chart at the same time. The only band to do so up until then. Theres no question about it they have such a one of a kind band. They will get in.

Posted by Ryan on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 10:54am

"They made a decades worth of music look ridiculous"

What, you mean their own music? Because the major players in 80s alternative far outshine GnR.

"They are a one of a kind band who has the number one selling debut album of all time."

It certainly isn't the best debut album though. Not even close.

"Theres no question about it they have such a one of a kind band."

A pretty mediocre one, though.

Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 12:37pm

I'm still trying to figure out what it is that people see being so original or unique about a decent but formulaic '70s hard rock album released seven years after the '70s ended.

Posted by William on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 13:14pm

I know this might be hard to accept, but the only rational explanantion is that they simply aren't aware of 70s hard rock. Or, in most cases, anything.

That said, I do know ALOT of people who deify GnR Lies and all that muck, and yet still own Back In Black, Led Zep IV...

Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 13:18pm

Also, you must bear in mind that alot of people don't have strong enough record collections, or just simply aren't 'in the know' enough, to get a real grasp of what innovation is.

Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 15:02pm

Guns 'n' Roses have created a legacy out of one okay-ish album and Axl Rose finding new and exciting ways to be a douchebag. No hall for them.

Posted by Kit

Based on this comment - the Pistols should not be in. Sid and Rotten certainly have had their douchebag moments. We can start with Sid being a murderous SOB. Appetite, although not a complete groundbreaker of an album did move the scene at the time to a more grittier style.
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the single most influential band ever. anybody after them have some form of a GNR influence

Posted by curt

Can I suggest you pick up albums by Elvis, Little Richie, The Beatles, The Stones, The Who, Cream, Hendrix, etc., etc., etc. and in the genre of Hard/Rock, listen to Zep, AC/DC and the first 4 Aerosmith albums. Let me add Alice in Chains into this group.
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Also, you must bear in mind that alot of people don't have strong enough record collections, or just simply aren't 'in the know' enough, to get a real grasp of what innovation is.

Posted by liam

What about those of us that do have an extensive collection and do believe that Gun's deserves this accolade? I have a feeling that I am a bit older than you and am grateful that I opened my ears to all the different variations and sub-cultures of RnR.
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I swear this site is like a reenactment of the Civil War. Alt/Grunge Rockers vs Metalhead/Hard Rockers. Why can't they all have their place in the history of RnR? And why can't the exceptional bands of each genre receive accolades? And what should those of us who enjoyed Guns, Priest, D.L. as well as AIC, The Cure, The Pixies and Nirvana do?

I swear, you all read like little kids fighting over the next wrapped present under the Christmas tree. Get over yourselves - please! Just enjoy the f'n music.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 16:42pm

"Guns 'n' Roses have created a legacy out of one okay-ish album and Axl Rose finding new and exciting ways to be a douchebag. No hall for them." - Kit

"Based on this comment - the Pistols should not be in." - Dameon

No, the Pistols's one album is truly influential because so many people owe the Pistols their sound. GnR are vey influential because there are a lot of douche bags in the world.

Posted by whydoyouhatemeso,admins? on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 16:59pm

GnR are vey influential because there are a lot of douche bags in the world.


Posted by whydoyouhatemeso,admins?

And clearly you are one of them. A lame arguement from a lame person. Thank you so much for your imput.

Posted by Eric on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 11:53am

Hey, fel free to make a convincing and legible argument in favour of GnR. If there actually is one, "Eric".

Posted by l i a m on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 11:54am

I don't have to make an arguement as to whether they deserve or not. Doesn't faze me at all. I was just commenting on that persons's comment regarding "douchebags" in the world. But if you feel the need to stick up for "whydoyouhatemeso,admins?" and his/her type of comments, then you go right ahead.

Posted by Eric on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 13:07pm

"Doesn't faze me at all." - Michael

Wow, you sound so tough, you know that? I'll bet you take nails for breakfast aswell. No milk, even!

Posted by l i a m on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 13:19pm

What is your problem? What is it exactly that I have commented on that has you all in a f'n tizzy. What, I should get tough with the likes of you - why would I do that?

Posted by Eric on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 13:42pm

I'm not in a "tizzy" at all. You come on here calling me a "lame person", so why exactly should I just let you off for it? You come on here, basically denying that all GnR influenced were dorks, when it's quite obviously true.

My argument may be lame, which it isn't, but at least it exists.

Posted by l i a m on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 13:49pm

I think you need to check the comments box. I made a comment regarding the comment by "Posted by whydoyouhatemeso,admins? on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 16:59pm

Now unless you are saying that you and whydoyouhatemeso,admins? are the same person, then you have no business barking at me. And as far as my comment to him was concerned, it only had to do with their remark that GnR's only influenced douchebags. What would the purpose of this comment actually be except to belittle someone else?

All I said to you was that if you wanted to stick up for someone like this, go right ahaed. Like I said, check the comments box.

Posted by Eric on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 14:08pm

"Now unless you are saying that you and whydoyouhatemeso,admins? are the same person, then you have no business barking at me" - Eric

I'm not actually saying it.

"GnR are vey influential because there are a lot of douche bags in the world." - me

"What would the purpose of this comment actually be except to belittle someone else?" - Eric

Do you have a valid counter argument? You could, perhaps, give me some examples of some worthwhile artists who are influenced by GnR.

Posted by l i a m on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 14:13pm

You realize that your counter arguement with me makes no sense. Explain to me why calling someone a douchebag is a valid comment? You have yet to do that. If you want to call Axel a douchebag, go ahead. I would agree with that. Also, if I am reading your responses correctly, you are in fact the original poster of the "Douchebag" comment. Why would you have an alias here? If you look at my first post, I came out and said that it wouldn't faze me one way or another if they were inducted. They repopularized a sound that in my opinion goes back to the late 60's. What they did as far as music is concerned, they did very well. I don't think they touched on anything new or innovative, but they had an edge to their style. I am not sure as to what influence they had with bands that followed; maybe Skid Row, if that. But they certainly did something right because their fan base was huge from the minute Appetite was released. Maybe it was good promotion, I don't know. The point is that at least according to this site, 90 % of the people think GnR is relevant to the history of music. And whether you like it or not, fans matter. You want to call them all douchebags, go right ahead. And if you do that, then I will stick by my call and say "very lame".

Posted by Eric on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 14:37pm

"Explain to me why calling someone a douchebag is a valid comment?"

Can you not just read between the lines, Michael? I mean, I made those gaps pretty big. How would my comment be funny if I just went and said it: "GnR shouldn't be inducted, IMO"?

"Why would you have an alias here?"

I don't. It's simply that my name (liam) was blocked and I chose to use another.

"They repopularized a sound that in my opinion goes back to the late 60's."

Well exactly. Popularity, among the general, non-musician public, shouldn't mean jack in terms of induction. So basically, GnR have lost out on "Influence", one out of the two key criteria.

"they had an edge to their style."

No, they didn't. Axl is a complete twat.

"according to this site, 90 % of the people think GnR is relevant to the history of music."

Your saying that makes me imagine that "90% of the people" actually have enough knowledge about the history of music to discern what is and what isn't important to the history of music. Which they don't.

"And whether you like it or not, fans matter."

Here, they don't, and I've already mentioned why.

Posted by l i a m on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 14:50pm

First off, my name is not Michael. See if you can comprehend that. Why would this site not allow you to post under your name? Do you tend to get vulgar with yourt comments? I can see by your use of the word t*at that being vulgar is not a problem for you. Bravo!!!!

I will type this one last time. My original comment here really has nothing to do with GnR. It has to do with your feeling the need to post the following comment:

No, the Pistols's one album is truly influential because so many people owe the Pistols their sound. GnR are vey influential because there are a lot of douche bags in the world.

If you are telling me that this was an attempt at humor on your part, well to be honest, I am just not seeing it. To me, it is an attempt to belittle people or at least to put yourself on a highter plain than the others that have posted comments on this site.

I can see by this comment that you believe this to be true:

Your saying that makes me imagine that "90% of the people" actually have enough knowledge about the history of music to discern what is and what isn't important to the history of music. Which they don't.

Perhaps you have a special degree in music that I am unaware of. Perhaps you are a master musician; I cannot say because I don't know you. I like to consider myself a amateur musician as I can play guitar, bass, piano and accordian, so I will say that I have some knoweldge to make an informed decision. And the one thing that I would never do is negatively put someone down because they did not agree with me.

As far as your personal opinion of GnR are, I cannot say that I disagree with some of what you say. But if you want people to respect your thoughts and opinions, I suggest you be a bit more humble when you express them. And if you don't care if anyone respects your opinions or if you think these people have opinions which are beneath you, then what can I say accept that you are lame, which is what started this to begin with.

And for those of you who love GnR, go ahead and enjoy. They will get in one day; this I would bet on.

Posted by Eric on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 16:28pm

Guns n' Roses sound like early Aerosmith and the Dead boys; however appetite for destruction is superior to anything they've ever done--also the music is lived in...I seriously don't understand how many of you have negative opinions about Axl Rose...Do you know him personally?? He did not break up the band- they left out of their own free will. He is one of the most private artists, you rarely hear about him regarding the media...Ozzy Osbourne was right, GNR were the rolling stones of their generation!

Posted by Jessica on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 08:38am

Hi Jessica - I think the arguement that some have with GnR's inclusion has to do with the fact that their style of music was nothing new. I agree weith you that you can certainly hear early Aerosmith in it. However, GnR did spice up the hard Rock scene at the time. As for Axel, the word is that he may not have called it quits, but it was due to his actions that forced everyone else's hand. He had all the members sign over the rights of the band name to him personally. That was the main reason that Izzy left. I got this from an aired TV interview with Slash. Ozzy actually said that they could have been the Rolling Stones of their generation. Guns is a band that might have scaled some serious musical heights. But they self-destructed and I don't care what Axel says, Chinese Democracy, if and when it ever is released will not be a GnR album.

I think they will get inducted.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 09:39am

I think GnR was nothing new, but I agree that they definitely brought back kick ass rock music and saved it from some of the bad acts that were out in the 80's.

Posted by Ryan on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 10:54am

theHi Dameon- You might be right about Ozzy, but I’ve read from about three sources that both Ozzy Osbourne and Joe Perry referred to the Guns as the new Rolling Stones- also I meant to say Guns n’ Roses sound SOMEWHAT like early Aerosmith and the Dead Boys, but obviously there’s much more to their sound and since many who have posted on this site have brought up the band’s questionable originality, and also the idea of being “Revolutionary” in the history of Rock n’ Roll, I’d like to add something in that regard. Guns n’ Roses’ work on appetite incorporates many styles that were around before 1985 into one unique sound; there’s the glam punk and sleaze rock of the Swedish band Hanoi Rocks and the hard rock/blues from Aerosmith and AC/DC, fused with the New York punk of the Dead Boys and British punk of the Sex Pistols, along with the southern rock of Lynyrd Skynyrd, and also the songwriting structure of Queen.

Posted by Jessica on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 17:25pm

The Mighty Guns took all this and added an immense amount of soul, personality, and passion to the record- They, like EVERY band that came before them, blended what was there already in varying degrees and made their own authentic sound- Aerosmith was mainly part Rolling stones and part New York Dolls…the Rolling Stones were greatly influenced by American Blues from the likes of Muddy Waters, Jimmy Reed etc…When it comes to Zeppelin I won’t get into how many old blues artists they ripped off lyrically since they’re music was about the overall sound and the chemistry of the tones which was undeniably great- they took old blues and folk and added jazz, funk, and a mythical aspect to their sound; Cream, which made the likes of Zeppelin possible, mainly incorporated jazz and blues- Clapton was heavily influenced by Chicago Blues along with contemporary successful guitarists… And to those of you who consider the Sex Pistols “revolutionary”, well, not really… THEY did not invent punk- The Ramones and The New York Dolls earn that status together, and THEY were not the first punk band in England- The Damned were; they were NOT the best punk band around (Ramones), and their music was not really about substance—Glenn Matlock was fired from the band since someone looked more fashionable or cool as the main bassist (Vicious).

Posted by Jessica on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 17:26pm

The term “Revolutionary” is not a word that should be used to determine the talent of a particular band after the 60’s; Rock n’ Roll is a relatively recent phenomenon and what I consider truly “Revolutionary” in this genre is what Elvis Presley did for music- He was a big factor in introducing black music (which he essentially imitated/ borrowed from) to the new generation previously subject to Orwellian control over the media, and consequently helped to create an African influenced culture. He also helped gender roles become less distinct, and his image influenced not only America but the entire world in the 50’s- That’s what being “Revolutionary” truly means in my eyes, and to a lesser extent I’d say the Beatles share this title for changing the way music was recorded. Anyways, back to Appetite for Destruction, there is no rock album that matches its inexorable energy, its aggression, its passion, its tales of twisted dreams and dark illusions---those of you wondering why someone who owns Back in Black and Zeppelin 4 praises this particular album, and does have an extensive record collection, well I think I’ve written an essay already…Will the Mighty Guns enter the rock hall of fame? Not very doubtful, but since the likes of Madonna are eligible to enter it, I think its credibility is questionable…and Mr. W. Axl Rose, if you’re reading this, I hope the Mayan prophecy doesn’t come true since you’re planning to release the trilogy in 2012, and it’s great that you didn’t respond to that whining pussy called Scott Weiland when he verbally attacked you. I’d like to end my response with Joe Perry’s (lead guitarist of Aerosmith) view of Guns n’ Roses- “Guns n' Roses are still an example of how a band can move rock forward. Sometimes you think, "How can you top anything by the Yardbirds, or Zeppelin, or the Stones?" And then you hear Guns n' Roses, and it's inspiring. You can think that it's all been written, but it hasn't. There's another way to twist those three chords around, to make it sound new, fresh and rebellious”.

Posted by Jessica on Thursday, 01.3.08 @ 17:27pm

A lot of you criticise Guns N' Roses for borrowing influences from 70s bands. But in my opinion, the reason they're such a great band is because they kept good rock & roll alive by interpreting classic rock and making it applicable and popular their own time.

Posted by Thepenismightier on Tuesday, 01.15.08 @ 15:26pm

Jessica - sorry it took so long to get back to you. I know of the interviews that you speak of. Yes, Guns was being labeled by many to be the next Stones. But in the end, it did not happen. However that does not take anything away from them. IMO, they will be inducted into the Hall. Enjoy them babe, but don't wait too long on Axel doing anything, anytime soon.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.15.08 @ 17:27pm

"A lot of you criticise Guns N' Roses for borrowing influences from 70s bands. But in my opinion, the reason they're such a great band is because they kept good rock & roll alive by interpreting classic rock and making it applicable and popular their own time."-Thepenismightier

So rather than listen to the original '70s artists, you'd rather listen to a cut-rate imitation? Explain this to me. I hear enough of this "they kept real rock alive" shit to boggle the mind. What the hell is "real" or "true" or "good" rock to you?

For the majority of people, it seems to be hard rock. The dumber the better, too. A good back beat, some pentatonics, and most of you could listen to the same song for the rest of your lives.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 01.15.08 @ 18:37pm

That's right, William. I could listen to the same song for the rest of my life, especially a good old hard rock Guns N' Roses song. And there's nothing dumb about the music; you're just incapable of understanding, obviously. So if you don't like it, don't listen to it, don't comment on it and most importantly, bite me, because I do like it.

Posted by Thepenismightier on Wednesday, 01.16.08 @ 10:42am

Another example of the lead singer thinking he's above the band and not an intregal part. Pity, the original line-up was great and had nowhere to go but up.

Posted by Terry on Sunday, 01.27.08 @ 16:33pm

no question GNR will get in first year

Posted by Steiny on Thursday, 03.6.08 @ 17:50pm

I'm really beginning to wonder about this, given Axl Rose's recent escapades. I think the more he stalls releasing new work, changing the line-up, not showing for gigs, etc..., its going to start to tarnish their legacy a bit. Who knows...

Posted by Terry on Thursday, 03.6.08 @ 19:17pm

Guns N' Roses will get in because they where so good and they showed everyone what rock is about.

Everyone, all frontmen are dicks.

Posted by Tray Knows All on Thursday, 03.13.08 @ 15:48pm

Just put them in now!

Posted by Timothy Kraft on Thursday, 03.13.08 @ 16:37pm

"Everyone, all frontmen are dicks."-Tray

Generalizations are generally wrong, but this one's just ridiculous.

Posted by William on Thursday, 03.13.08 @ 21:36pm

Tray truly does know all.

Posted by Metalsmith on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 12:38pm

they are not better than scorpions but if scorpions deserve it , GnR deserve it too

Posted by Scorpion on Tuesday, 03.25.08 @ 14:11pm

Scorpions probably had better musicians but Guns N' Roses had more of the wild heart of Rock'N'Roll about their music. And no one can touch Axl Rose as a singer.

Posted by Metalsmith on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 13:36pm

...Or else he'll start a fist-fight with them.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 13:40pm

Exactly.

Posted by Metalsmith on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 13:42pm

I don't know why they're still not there...Guns N' Roses should be there years ago, not just because of Appetite but for everything they did to the rock world. For me Axl and Slash are rock icons that will never be forgotten and their music so...They are so great, an amazing rock n' roll band that in my opinion, save the 80's.
Guns N' Roses Forever!!!!!

Posted by Maiara on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 09:37am

The rules of eligibility for the HoF are 25 years after your first recording. That would make 2011 as their first year of eligibility. You will have to wait a few more years.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 09:57am

"I don't know why they're still not there...Guns N' Roses should be there years ago,"

Everyone's got their own sob-story. If you'd even bother to read the top of the page, you'd see why.

"an amazing rock n' roll band that in my opinion, save the 80's."

They have one good album. Maybe if people would bother looking into the absolute gold mine of '80s alternative and post-punk, they wouldn't bother with mediocre hair metal like this.

GnR aren't even the best metal the '80s had to offer. They aren't even close.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 12:42pm

They have one good album. Maybe if people would bother looking into the absolute gold mine of '80s alternative and post-punk, they wouldn't bother with mediocre hair metal like this. - Liam

Everyone bow down to the gospel according to Liam.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 13:27pm

Finally, some sense around here....

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 13:33pm

Some would argue (including certain members of Guns N' Roses) that they were never a hair metal band, preferring to be identified as a sleaze metal or classic rock revival band. But it makes little difference. They were one of the most powerful and talented bands especially of their own era and my belief is that they will be remembered as the last of the truly great classic rock and roll bands.

Posted by Metalsmith on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 15:39pm

I'm pretty sure Echo & The Bunnymen could out play Guns N' Roses (even with Slash, who is among the most overated guitarists of the '80s, if not ever), and they also gave (and still give, even lacking two original memebers) much, much better live performances (and even Dameon would vouch for me on that).

Not that they're the only ones.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 15:47pm

How exactly do you revive something that never went anywhere?

Posted by William on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 16:10pm

Does he not realise that Gn'R took influence from punk?

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 16:28pm

Some would argue (including certain members of Guns N' Roses) that they were never a hair metal band, preferring to be identified as a sleaze metal or classic rock revival band. - Metalsmith

I may be showing my age again, but what exactly is a "Classic Revival Band"? Is that another sub-sub genre that I haven't picked up on yet? God I hate getting old. They were a Hard Rock Band who IMO, was heavily influenced by early Aerosmith and nowhere near as good. I persoanlly think that LA Guns was as good and a lot more fun than GnR. They were far more sleazy.

Does he not realise that Gn'R took influence from punk? - Liam

I'm pretty sure Echo & The Bunnymen could out play Guns N' Roses - Liam

As much as I hate to agree with Liam, he is correct that GnR did take some from Punk, but definitely more from Aerosmith.

Having had the pleasure to see both GnR and Echo and the Bunnymen, I would have to say that I walked away a bit more impressed with Guns. That being said, they presented two different types of performances with completely different attitudes towards playing live. It is said by many that if Axel was on, you got a great show, but if he was pissed, they sucked on stage. I guess I got lucky that evening.

This arguement pitting Hard Rock/Heavy Metal vs. Post-Punk/Alternative is ridiculous. They all have their place in the history of Rock.

As far as the HoF is concerned, I believe they will be inducted.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 18:46pm

"but what exactly is a "Classic Revival Band"?"

Something he made up on the spot.

"This arguement pitting Hard Rock/Heavy Metal vs. Post-Punk/Alternative is ridiculous. They all have their place in the history of Rock."

Huh? There's nothing "hard" or "heavy" about GnR.




I've seen videos of GnR live and I've seen Echo & The Bunnymen live (and have heard their live tracks on the album remasters). I can safely say that the former sucked and was totally out of touch with the crowd and the former just kicked ass.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 18:51pm

Huh? There's nothing "hard" or "heavy" about GnR. - Liam

Yeah, whatever you say.

I can safely say that the former sucked and was totally out of touch with the crowd and the former just kicked ass. - Liam

Would you care to reword that sentence.

You cannot say anything safely. I don't understand the point of some of your comments Liam. You feel that you are able to give a better representation based on video as opposed to myself who saw both bands live. Okay, if you say so.

Isn't it like 3:30 AM by you? Shouldn't you be sleeping?

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 19:29pm

Aww whatever. GnR suck and The Bunnymen don't.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 19:51pm

Aww whatever. GnR suck and The Bunnymen don't. - Liam

There you go everyone. The Rock Gospel according to Liam. What would we ever do without him?

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 19:54pm

I know you've only quite recently discovered what an opinion is, and I know that that's why you feel the need say "but that's only my opinion" like the middle-of-the-road kinda guy it makes you sound like, but could you give it a rest?

Not everyone has the time or effort to be spelling out what is and what isn't an opinion. I do have that ability to discern factual statements from opinions, and if anyone didn't, then I'd actually just give up talking to them.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.7.08 @ 20:01pm

PS Try using grammar properly. If your not going to make any relevant or coherent points, at least make them legible. - Liam

This was one of your rebuttals on the Def Leppard board.

I can safely say that the former sucked and was totally out of touch with the crowd and the former just kicked ass. - Liam

And this is one of your comments here. Do you find anything funny about this? I do!

When I first came to this site, I was actually impressed with your vast knowledge of music, especially of the sub-genres that you love. And even though you annoyed me at times, I respected most of your opinions and I learned a thing or two. But lately, you seem to be spouting off on sh*t just for the sake of it. I am going to chalk it up to your being tired from University and work.

You probably don't care about my opinion, but I have to tell you anyway - lighten up! Respecting a different point of view (as long as it is not completely ridiculous and over-the-top) is a lot better than trying to run it over.

GnR were certainly not innovative and I can only name a few bands off the top of my head that seem to have been influenced heavily by them. If these are indeed the only criteria that the Hall reviews, then I think GnR will not be inducted. However, I believe the nominating committee also looks at the impact a band has on the musical landscape; whether they like the music or not and commercial success to a degree. Guns and Roses certainly released an excellent debut album and it did have a major impact on the musical landscape. Many like to say that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the death knell of the Hair Bands. Personally I think they were just the gravediggers. Guns and Roses with the release of Appetite and Metallica's "Justice For All" seemed to be the executioner's.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 05:07am

I think the Liam is just a rude putz. I don't mind other peoples opinion but, if you don't agree with him it's just plain rude. It shows a huge lack of character on his part. Mabye the university that he goes to can teach him some of that. I won't bet on it.

Posted by dano on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 05:44am

I'd actually love it if anyone would point out how I'm being rude...

But the chances of that happening are slimmer than The Mekons getting inducted.

Posted by Liaml on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 06:10am

"This was one of your rebuttals on the Def Leppard board."

I was actually trying to do an impression of the common fanboy comment on this site. Guess it was lost on you...

BTW it's the holidays over here, and I can't go out because the weather sucks.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 06:12am

"Guns and Roses certainly released an excellent debut album and it did have a major impact on the musical landscape."

For one, it pales against '70s hard rock, and it actually had alot less impact than the sales suggest. Seriously, how many Gn'R's are there today? You'd be lucky to scrape about ten. Even less if you only count the actual good ones.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 06:14am

Alright I'll try this. Liam what are your top favorite bands of alltime? If you can narrow it to five. Mine.

Def Leppard (big surprise here)
38 Special
Aerosmith
Tesla
Danger Danger

okay I lied here is a few more

Van Halen
Ratt

no no no country

though I might live in Montana I hare country

Posted by dano on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 06:36am

Oh my god I forgot...

AC/DC

is it to early or to late?

Posted by dano on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 06:40am

Five? You can ration your favourites to FIVE?

1 The Kinks
2 New Order
3 The Rolling Stones
4 The Cure
5 Pixies
6 The Smiths
7 Joy Division
8 The Smiths
9 Blur
10 David Bowie

I actually can't do it without expanding to ten, sorry, and even that was difficult.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 06:45am

I was just in the middle of writing something complimentary about you, but here you go again.

I was actually trying to do an impression of the common fanboy comment on this site. Guess it was lost on you... - Liam

You are full of it. You thought I would back you on the live show example and I didn't. You made a silly mistake because you were pissed that I disagreed with you and you didn't watch what you were saying; own up to it!

I'd actually love it if anyone would point out how I'm being rude... - Liam

That is the point Liam - you don't realize that you are quite rude at times. You call people and their comments stupid at times and we know that you can get vulgar. It is like you are insulted if someone disagrees with you. How dare we?

For one, it pales against '70s hard rock, and it actually had alot less impact than the sales suggest. - Liam

Read my comment again - did I say they have had a long lasting effect on the landscape; No! But they certainly had an immediate effect on the landscape of the day. And I sure as sh*t did not put them into the same category as the 70's Hard Rock that I grew up with.

I am not goint to argue opinions.

I suggest you deal with the fact that there is a very good chance that G&R will be inducted. And their is a good chance that those bands you think do deserve this lame honor will not be (Joy Division, New Order, etc.) You take this sh*t too seriously - there are more important things in life than what honors or accolades a musician who could give a rat's ass about you or I receives. Have fun with this crap and stop taking everything so personally. Go to a strip bar or something and get drunk. With any luck they will play Girls, Girls, Girls (Crue)and Pour Some Sugar On Me (D.L.). That should get you into a hell of a mood :-)

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 06:46am

Dano, if you want, fill out one of these little lists:

Your ten favourite indutees,
Your ten favourite eligible but not inducted artists,
Your ten favourite artists that become eligible wihin the next ten years,
Your ten favourite contemporary artists (as in those that became active within the last ten years).

I've done one but cannot find it.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 06:47am

I didn't expect you to agree that they were better than GnR. I was expecting that you would agree that they gave a great live show.

I actually don't care very much about the HOF, I just find he discussion here interesting sometimes.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 06:54am

I didn't expect you to agree that they were better than GnR. I was expecting that you would agree that they gave a great live show. - Liam

I didn't say they didn't. I had the pleasure of seeing Echo and the Bunnymen (Billy Bragg opened) at the Beacon Theatre, They put on a fabulous show (Bragg bored me to sleep). I am a big fan and would love to see them inducted one day. I just felt that the energy and passion that GnR had the day I saw them was off the charts. This goes back to the day when Izzy S. was still with them. Your disinterest in Slash aside, the boy can play talking guitar as well as anyone.

I actually don't care very much about the HOF, I just find he discussion here interesting sometimes. - Liam

Then I suggest that we all keep the conversation interesting and not drag it into the mud. It has been going there lately and it is boring.

Now what happened to Shawn?

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 04.8.08 @ 08:52am

laim here is my list (please no rude comments or loud laughter allowed! :)

10 favorite inducted artists

Elvis, Roy Orbison, Van halen, CCR, Bruce Springsten, Billy Joel, Queen, Ac/CD, ZZ top, U2

10 eligable artists

Def Leppard, Scorpions, Metallica, Sweet, ELO, Whitesnake, 38 Special, Billy Idol, Huewy Lewis and the News, and Ratt (never happen)
10 favorites that will be eligible within 10 years

Pearl Jam, Green Day, Weezer, Bon Jovi, Soundgarden, Blink 182, Collective Soul, Sublime, No Doubt, and the Mighty Mighty Bosstones

and finally the 10 comtempory artists

Marchbox 20, Breaking Benjamin, Puddle of Mud, Distrubed, Staind, Rob Zombie, Three days Grace, Our Lady Peace, System of a Down

argh finally done!

Posted by dano on Saturday, 04.12.08 @ 05:08am

Yes, yes, Y-E-S.

Posted by K-Money on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 09:19am

Guns n' Roses müssen aufgenommen werden!
Ohne sie ist es keine Rock n' Roll Hall!

Posted by Ronny on Sunday, 05.18.08 @ 09:39am

Hell yeah they should get in. Majority of their albums were record holders! Let's just ignore Chinese Democracy....

Posted by Slash Stralden on Sunday, 05.18.08 @ 23:03pm

gnr got 2 make up dare da best band in da world me and my best freind r dare biggest fans dare fregin legends makeup already

Posted by gianni on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 22:23pm

GNR will get in. They were the last great rock band and they probably will be. Only reason they might not get in is because of Chinese Democracy...

Posted by Tray Brown on Sunday, 06.1.08 @ 13:04pm

Every rock band today sucks because I can't find any good ones on MTV!

Posted by AKA on Sunday, 06.1.08 @ 13:11pm

Appetite was a great album, but it didn't influence anyone. If you guys didn't notice, rock is dead. And I don't think Appetite influenced Linkin Park or Fall Out Boy...

Posted by Tray Brown on Sunday, 06.1.08 @ 13:14pm

"Rock is dead" = you're an idiot, and you clearly aren't looking.

Posted by AKA on Sunday, 06.1.08 @ 13:17pm

'ROCK IS ALIVE'=YOU ARE CLEVER AND YOU ARE CLEARLY LOOKING

Posted by SOMEONE on Sunday, 06.1.08 @ 15:23pm

hey AKA rock ain't dead there is still some good underground stuff but,it's almost dead and GNr should definetly get in.

Posted by the pac on Sunday, 06.1.08 @ 16:50pm

"Doctor, how's the patient?"

"I'm afraid to say he's...mostly dead."

No, rock isn't even close to getting the flu virus.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 06.2.08 @ 09:55am

DEAR AKA
YOU SAID THAT ROCK IS DEAD.I THINK YOU ARE A BIT CRAZY.THERE ARE STILL 70s AND 80s BANDS THAT ARE STILL AS POPULAR AS EVER LIKE IRON MAIDEN, GUNS N ROSES, DEEP PURPLE, KISS AND SCORPIONS.WHAT KIND OF MUSIC IS MORE ALIVE THAN ROCK?

P.S. THE NEXT TIME YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING SILLY , THINK ABOUT IT FIRST.

Posted by T.Z.S. on Wednesday, 06.11.08 @ 04:36am

T.Z.S.- They may still be popular but they are mostly defunct as performers nowadays. Rap and hip-hop is taking over where rock once was.

About GNR, no doubt they will make it into the hall of fame. They were the best band in the world for several years, and AFD was not only amazing but the Use Your Illusion albums were also rated quite highly.

I agree with Eric above, fans matter, and since most people agree Guns N Roses should make it into the Hall of Fame, they will.

PS. Liam, you are quite a jackass

Posted by Chris on Wednesday, 06.25.08 @ 11:16am

I DONT THINK THAT GNR WERE THE BEST BAND IN THE WORLD. ME AS A GREEK I THINK THAT SCORPIONS IS THE BEST BAND IN THE WORLD CAUSE THE SCORPIONS IS THE MOST SUCCESFUL BAND IN GREECE. I DONT KNOW WHERE ARE
YOU FROM AND WHICH IS THE MOST SUCCESFUL BAND IN YOUR COUNTRY BUT YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT GNR WERE THE BEST BAND WHEN ROCK WASNT SO SUCCESFUL(A FEW YEARS AGO) NOWDAYS ROCK IS BECOMING AGAIN THE MOST SUCCESFUL MUSIC SO BANDS BIGGER THAN GNR (LIKE SCORPIONS ) ARE THOSE WHO REMIND PEOPLE WHAT ROCK IS ALL ABOUT.

Posted by T.Z.S. on Sunday, 06.29.08 @ 15:32pm

Guns N' Roses were so unique on how they worked on stage and how they wrote songs. They were the biggest band in the world.Stuff like this is extremely rare. They're great artists who will definitely get in. They might have a reunion after that..... you never know.

Posted by Xiomara on Monday, 06.30.08 @ 17:49pm

thats exactelly what they are the biggest band in the world. IN THEIR WORLD CAUSE IN THE REAL WORLD THEY ARE NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by h.r.h. on Tuesday, 07.1.08 @ 08:04am

It's really hard to say whether GNR are gonna make the cut when it comes time. It does bring up the point of how influential a single album can be. I tried to read as many of the posts as I could (no way you can read them all) and most everyone who thinks they will get in uses "Appetite" as the main basis. The "Use You Illusion" albums are good, but the sum total never really stands up. If you can remember the Beatles documantary a ways back, I think it was Ringo who noted the White Album should have probably been a single disc.

The way I see it, GNR get's in if all the good material get's pooled together into one body of work. On a ten point scale:

"Appetite" - 9/10
"GNR Lies" - 8/10
"Use Your Illusion I - 6/10
"Use Your Illusion ii" - 6/10

GNR doesn't get in.

"Appetite" - 9/10
GNR Lies" - 8/10
"Use Your Illusion" (combined) 9/10

GNR makes it first ballot.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 07.3.08 @ 06:20am

To start, Nirvana and company was not the death of the Hair Bands; it was GnR. That aside, Appetite was not any better than Aerosmith's first 4 albums (nowhere near as good as "Rocks") and it certainly was not as influential as those same albums. It was a reinvention of that grittier sound of the early - mid 70's Hard Rock scene and it certainly should be commended. I very much thought "Lies" was an excellent album which moved across several different musical lines. And Illusion's was definitely their version of Physical Graffiti. If Axel wasn't such a knucklehead, this band could have done some impressive things. But in the end, they self-destructed. I certainly don't think they are first ballot HoFer's. But they so dominated the scene for 5 years and I think they will eventually get in because of it. I really enjoyed GnR, but they could have and should have been much more than what they were.

Live Shows: I saw them twice; once as an opening act and once as a headliner. When Axel was on, the band was f'n amazing; when he was off, not so much.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 07.3.08 @ 07:33am

OK...Guns was an amazing band...for about 6 years. It's just that, and I apologize in advance for the sensitive fans I'm going to piss off by saying this, but...the band has sort of been a punchline for the last decade or so due to the ridiculously delayed Chinese Democracy. They'll get in on the strength of Appetite and Illusion...but it won't be in their first year of eligibility.

Posted by Trey on Tuesday, 07.8.08 @ 13:54pm

GNR definitely get in, no doubt about it.

Posted by Mountaineer on Tuesday, 07.15.08 @ 12:40pm

GUNS N'ROSES is the last great rock band on the planet,no other band came close to them in every level,they combined authenticity with popularity they wrote some of the greatest songs of all time and also made great music videos (November Rain is the most expensive music video from rock band).They had one of the strongest chemistry between Axl Rose and Slash in the way they had other classic bands (Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Queen, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Black Sabbath,...)considering that Axl Rose is one of the greatest frontmen and Slash is one of the greatest guitarists.Finally, Chinese Democracy is the most expensive ($16 million)and anticipated album in history! Definitely they get in!

Posted by Faid85 on Thursday, 07.17.08 @ 08:03am

Chemistry between Axl and Slash? I don't want to break the news to you, but they really were not all that enamored with each other.

Explain to me how have the most expensive album which has never been released a reason for them to be put into the Hall? And unless Slash, Izzy and Duff are on the recording, it is not a Guns release and I don't care what Mr. Paranoid Rose has to say.

And just so you know, I am a fan and not a hater. I am just trying to be objective here.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 07.17.08 @ 08:39am

Will be a major upset if they're not inducted in their 1st year of eligability.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 07.17.08 @ 11:14am

GUNS N' ROSES ARE THE BEST BAND OF ALL THE TIME!!! They have to win cause they are, for me, the most succesfull band of the 80's!! Their songs are fantastics and the lyrics are beautiful!!! Their albums and CDs are cazzutamente better than other, Appetite for Destruction, Use your Illusion 1 and 2, for me are the best...
I like too the new cd Chinese Democracy..."Better" is FANTASTIC!!

Posted by alessandraita on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 14:27pm

From AP News dated July 18, 2008:

"Former Guns N' Roses drummer Steven Adler has been arrested in Hollywood for alleged drug possession.

Los Angeles police spokesman Richard French says the 43-year-old Adler was arrested around 4 a.m. Friday by officers called to a home where a man reportedly was creating a disturbance and refusing to leave.

Adler was booked for investigation of possessing narcotics, being under the influence and for an outstanding warrant.

He was jailed on $45,000 bail.

Adler has a long history of drug use. He performed on the early Guns N' Roses albums but was later fired."

Posted by noonethatmatters on Friday, 07.18.08 @ 14:46pm

GUNS N' ROSES!!! Undoubtedly the only band from this year who deserves to be inducted!!! Even a blind man can see it!!!

Posted by Faid85 on Thursday, 08.14.08 @ 15:18pm

once they inducteed i hope there was a second version of it..

slash can play today.. but i hope he can run and dance as the old days..

axl .. i love him but.. there is always a limit for everyone.. i hope a new singer but not in the velvet revolver the singer SUCKS hahah its not RocK!... right.. only axl rock in this days..

Posted by Frast on Thursday, 08.21.08 @ 03:29am

WELL I AM NOT SURE I HAVE UNDERSTOOD BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS A HALL FOR LEGENDS. GUNS N ROSES ARE GOOD BUT NOT LEGENDS AND IF YOU HAVE NOTICED IT THERE ARE MEGALEGENDS OUT OF THE HALL RIGHT NOW LIKE DEEP PURPLE , SCORPIONS , KISS AND IRON MAIDEN. WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO IGNORE THE TRUTH?
GUNS N ROSES WILL NEVER BE INDUCTED INTO THE ROCK N ROLL HALL OF FAME. NOT UNTIL THEY BECOME LEGENDS.

Posted by LAKIS on Sunday, 08.31.08 @ 15:42pm

Nothing against The Scorpions, but 'megalegends'? Come on!

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 08.31.08 @ 17:02pm

BUT I THINK GUNS N'ROSES IS 1000000000 TIMES LEGENDS THAN MADONNA!!!!!she isn't even rock!!!
So they deserve of course a place in it because is one of the greatest bands in the last 25 years!!!

Posted by Faid85 on Monday, 09.8.08 @ 16:01pm

Yas they should be in the RHOF

Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 09.8.08 @ 21:52pm

slash is the best and axl sucks

Posted by eric on Tuesday, 09.9.08 @ 11:34am

Of course they are, despite the last decade for them, Appetite and Use Your Illusions are best selling albums! And with Chinese Democracy being released they'll be back in mainstream metal! When you have one of the greatest guitarists (Slash, BucketHead worked with tracks on Chinese Democracy) and Axl Rose is the soul of GN'R being with them since they started, you're definately going to be inducted.

Posted by Shaun on Saturday, 09.27.08 @ 15:03pm

They are not metal by any stretch of the word.

Posted by William on Saturday, 09.27.08 @ 15:43pm

blah,blah,blah....anyone who listens to hard rock knows that GnR are one of the greatest ever. They deserve to be inducted.......and yes, Appetite totally rocks but their real masterpiece is Use Your Illusion. Illusion made rock n roll dangerous again....just listen to the lyrics and how Axl delivers them....damn, he was angry!! and it reflected in the music. I also like how they got all epic like The Who or Zeppelin with songs like Estranged, Civil War, Locomotive, Coma, November Rain and Breakdown. Also, Knockin On Heavens's Door........best cover song ever! Too bad Axl is such an ass and destroyed what might have become THE greatest.

Posted by bquest on Tuesday, 09.30.08 @ 13:59pm

Of course Guns N'Roses will make it to the hall of fame but,we are going to have to wait a long time...well not that long maybe 3 1/4 years since it is October now.But, GN'R deserves to be in the rock hall.I'm a big GN'R fan and I reding the book "Slash" and he said when the two Illusions came out,they were litteraly the best band on the world.And stores were sold out of them when they got shipped, and were on sale.

Posted by David on Friday, 10.3.08 @ 19:12pm

GNR! who wouldnt like them? and thy diserve 2 go 2 the hall of rnr. I hope u agree with me.

Posted by Amanda on Friday, 10.3.08 @ 19:48pm

I just read this. The computer said that Steven Adler was talking to Axl,Izzy,Slash,and Duff about a reunion or a reunite.He said that Led Zeppelin got back together and so did Van Halen so,why can't Guns N' Roses, Steven Adler said that it would be like the greastest rock reunite because, they were so popular in the 80's and the 90's

Posted by David on Saturday, 10.4.08 @ 09:47am

I just read this. The computer said that Steven Adler was talking to Axl,Izzy,Slash,and Duff about a reunion or a reunite.He said that Led Zeppelin got back together and so did Van Halen so,why can't Guns N' Roses, Steven Adler said that it would be like the greastest rock reunite because, they were so popular in the 80's and the 90's

Posted by David on Saturday, 10.4.08 @ 09:47am
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As C-3P0 once explained to R2D2 -

"You know not to trust a strange computer."

You should know by no yourself. These things will try to mislead you. Shame on you! Shame, Shame, Shame!

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 10.4.08 @ 10:21am

Don't blame him! Guns N' Roses will make the rock and roll hall of fame but I'm not so sure that Slash will go by himself. Jimmy Page, Angus Young, Jimi Hendrix, and Buckethead I think are better. It could happen look for yourself

SHAME,SHAME,SHAME

Posted by Mike on Saturday, 10.4.08 @ 18:10pm

What kind of name is cheesecrop?

Posted by Mike on Sunday, 10.5.08 @ 06:30am

20 of there best songs

1.Welcome to the Jungle
2.Sweet Child O' Mine
3.Paradise City
4.Patience
5.November Rain
6.Don't Cry
7.Live and Let Die (remix)
8.Yesterdays
9.Estranged
10.Rocket Queen
11.Civil War
12.You Could be Mine
13.Knock'in on Heaven's door (remix)
14.Nightrain
15.Since I Don't Have You (remix)
16.Dead Horse
17.Mr.Brownstone
18.You're Crazy (Lies),and Appetite
19.Ain't it Fun (remix)
20.Hair of the Dog (remix)

Posted by David on Sunday, 10.5.08 @ 17:34pm

I'm pretty sure "Sweet Child o' Mine" is better than "Welcome to the Jungle" David

Posted by Mr. Octagon on Sunday, 10.5.08 @ 19:33pm

You know you are right mr.octagon

Swope

1.Sweet Child O' Mine
2.Welcome to the Jungle

Posted by David on Monday, 10.6.08 @ 17:06pm

Best 20 by Mike
1.Sweet Child of Mine
2.Welcome to the Jungle
3.Estranged
4.November Rain
5.Don't Cry (orginal)
6.Paradise City
7.Patience
8.Live and Let Die
9.Civil War
10.Ain't it fun
11.Dead Horse
12.Rocket Queen
13.Since I don't have you
14.Hair of a Dog
15.Bad Apples
16.Buick Mckarne
17.Knocking on Heaven's Door
18.Sympathy for the Devil
19.Mama Kin
20.One in a Million

Posted by Mike on Friday, 10.10.08 @ 13:15pm

Yesterday I got a skateboard that looks almost exactly like the Appetite for Destruction cover. Exept it only has Axl and he's wearing like some kind of a detective hat. I got it at Secret Sauce and it's a Ellington Death Wish deck.

Posted by Mike on Friday, 10.10.08 @ 13:52pm

Mike -

I just found this out from someone else, so if this is old news to you, please forgive me.

Do you know that the letters in Axl Rose's name can be re-arranged to form ORAL SEX?

AXL ROSE

ORAL SEX

I'm not a degenerate pervert, I swear. I really did find this out from someone else.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 10.10.08 @ 13:56pm

I relly actrually did not know that.

Posted by Mike on Saturday, 10.11.08 @ 16:32pm

David, Estranged is better then Patience, Paradise City, November Rain, Yesterdays, and Don't Cry (by the way which one). Estranged is probably the best song with dolphins.

Posted by Mike on Saturday, 10.11.08 @ 17:55pm

Axl Rose = Oral Sex

This is pretty good. It's better than Jon Bon Blow Me, but not as good as a story relayed by Dick Cavett regarding a letter Groucho Marx sent him in the late 60's, noting that actor Peter O' Toole posessess not one but two references to his better half.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 10.11.08 @ 18:58pm

Mike-why is Buick Mckane,Mama Kin,Bad Apples and One in a Million on the top 20 songs and, Patience and Paradise City on # 7. and 6.

Not really a good list Mike
Sorry

Posted by David on Wednesday, 10.15.08 @ 17:16pm

Leave everyone alone,Cheesecrop,Expecially Mike,and I read what Steven Adler said on GOOD computer

SHAME,SHAME,SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by David on Wednesday, 10.15.08 @ 17:37pm

I'll take out One in an Million and put in Garden of Eden.

Posted by Mike on Thursday, 10.16.08 @ 13:49pm

The top 3 songs they should have never made or remix:

1.One in a Million
2.I Don't Care About You (remix)
3.My World

Posted by David on Thursday, 10.16.08 @ 15:21pm

O.K., so it's finally coming out in November. The new G&R record, "Chinese Democracy". So who's got the courage to check it out? Anybody? Gonna lay down greenbacks for Axl & the (new) boys? Or is the illegal download going to rule the day here?

Personally I might pick it up, but not immediatly. With the wait the way it was, I've got to hear more than just the first single.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 10.18.08 @ 05:49am

Lets hope Axl finally means it by now,Cause' he has been saying this for the past 10 or 11 years

But I trust him this time

Posted by David on Monday, 10.20.08 @ 16:23pm

O.K., so I finally heard the title track to "Chinese Democracy". It's actually a real album and it will come out (we hope) later this month. First impression - not so bad. The track has a lot of extra production, & Axl's voice on occasion reminds me of Disturbed a bit, but overall it's not too bad. Of course it's also not too good, either, & when I say this I mean it in the sense that fans perceive this as some sort of "album that will save rock" nonsense. I'll admit I know I've only heard 2 songs in their entirety so far - the title track & "I.R.S." However, neither one sounded like they were going to set the world on fire here. I hope I'm wrong on this one, but only having a solid album would've been alright if the wait hadn't been 13 yrs. I'm not sure what we're getting w/this one.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 10.24.08 @ 04:45am

So, Axl has finished HIS little album, and is going to package it and pawn it off as "Guns N' Roses"...brother!!! Isn't it basically just an Axl Rose solo project, and he's just afraid "Axl Rose" won't sell??? He'll always have to live in the shadow of the original line-up...whether he likes it or not. Unfortunately, we'll more than likely never see that line-up again...which is a shame!!

What "Lead Singer's Disease" does to some bands...tsk, tsk, tsk!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 10.25.08 @ 20:16pm

Chinese Democracy (albume) should be called Madagascar instead.

Posted by Mike on Monday, 10.27.08 @ 12:57pm

I don't know who Guns N' Roses are but I know the Jonas Braothers are probably better.

Posted by Jason on Sunday, 11.16.08 @ 16:06pm

I sure hope that's a joke Jason.

Posted by Keebord on Sunday, 11.16.08 @ 17:35pm

Axl Rose = Oral Sex

hahahaha

Posted by gibraltar on Wednesday, 11.19.08 @ 02:29am

No, I really don't know who they are.

Posted by Jason on Thursday, 11.20.08 @ 19:11pm

It is probably not a joke. GnR have not been relevant to the music scene in almost 15 years. Why should a teenager know about them. And if they listen to Chinese Democracy, they will still know nothing of this band. Therefore, to the average teenager, the Jonas Brothers would be better in their eyes.

Jason....I know nothing of the music of the Jonas Brothers. But I can assure you that they cannot match GnR (1987-1991)

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Friday, 11.21.08 @ 07:01am

SHUT UP YOU STUPID COMMMUNIST FREAKS!!!!!

Posted by king floyd on Saturday, 11.22.08 @ 20:27pm

Whose a commie?

Posted by Mr. Octagon on Saturday, 11.22.08 @ 21:40pm

So finally the decent album came out. I really did not believe it (at least in November). But the millions and millions of dollors Geffen used to pay for Chinese Democracy was not worth it at all. Nor it was to Axl, Dizzy, or Bumblefoot.

Posted by Mike on Monday, 11.24.08 @ 14:11pm

But the millions and millions of dollors Geffen used to pay for Chinese Democracy was not worth it at all. Nor it was to Axl, Dizzy, or Bumblefoot.

Posted by Mike on Monday, 11.24.08 @ 14:11pm
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I live nowhere near a Best Buy, so I ask this to save travel time: Does it really suck? I mean, suck that TRULY bad that it's not worth the layout cash wise?

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 11.24.08 @ 18:38pm

Cheeseman...I've heard that it ranks about an 11 out of 10 on the suck-o-meter. I haven't heard it myself, but that's the word. Sounds like it should've been billed simply as an Axl Rose solo album...which is essentially what it is...

By the way, the "suck-o-meter" is a very valuable tool on a website like this!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 11.24.08 @ 19:05pm

Appetite was great and the illusions albums would have been equally as great if they would have pared it down to maybe 15 songs (Novembr rain,dont cry,you could be mine locomotive, estranged, coma etc.) and gotten rid of the filler crap ( the garden, garden of eden, my world,and a few others) Lies was an awesome snack between the two greats and the spaghetti incident was the begining of the end. They were profoundly impactful for the short time that they were relevant and definitly deserve to be nominated

Posted by Jeff on Monday, 11.24.08 @ 20:39pm

Allow me to set you all straight. Chinese Democracy is a sensational album. It's the best new album I've heard in years. It's the record that will save Rock'N'Roll and it's gonna kick you in the face, man. Honestly, it's up with their classic albums. I put it on a par with the Use Your Illusions, since, after 15 years of production, it could never have the raw quality of the immortal Appetite for Destruction. But Illusion definitely. Tell your friends to get Chinese Democracy. It kicks balls. Over and out.

Posted by Metalsmith on Monday, 11.24.08 @ 22:40pm

No - it is middling at best, IMO. 15 years of hype and Axel did not deliver.

Posted by blah-blah-blah on Tuesday, 11.25.08 @ 06:26am

Black Ice is the best album in years. Those 8 years were worth it.



Album of 2007: Black Rain (Ozzy Osbourne)
Album of 2008: Black Ice (AC/DC)

Posted by Mike on Thursday, 11.27.08 @ 11:29am

Chinese Democracy is garbage and rock doesn't need it to "save" it. It's no one else's fault if you can't find a better album under the rock where you live. They're out there and no one's trying to hide them.

Posted by Willam on Thursday, 11.27.08 @ 14:36pm

I was expecting a song called "ST. Louis Sucks" would be on Chinese Democracy.

Posted by Mike on Friday, 11.28.08 @ 05:35am

Best hardrock albums of 2008...

#5. Guns n' Roses - Chinese Democracy -took 15 yrs
#4. AC/DC - Black Ice -8 yrs
#3. Metallica - Death Magnetic -2-3 yrs
#2. Motorhead - Motorizer -2 yrs
#1. Motley Crue -probably under a year

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but of the best hard rock albums to be released the year, the bands who spent less time recording produced a better album.

Posted by scott on Monday, 12.1.08 @ 12:38pm

Scott, Saints of Los Angeles is the first Motley Crue album in eight years. At least look on Wikipedia before you start talking out of your ass. Mike, good music tastes, man.

Posted by Metalsmith on Monday, 12.1.08 @ 18:15pm

Black Ice isn't bad but they just rehashed all their previous songs. Nothing imressive and it may be AC DC's first album in years, but it's nothing impressive. Death Magnetic and Motorizer are great. @Mike: It's their first album in 8 years but that doesn't mean it took 8 years to record. And GNR does not deserve RNR, but they'll probably get inducted anyway, since there are so many idiots in the world. Like someone said, GNR only influenced more crap, for instance listen to "Crazy Bitch" by Buckcherry. They had one decent album, and they did not innovate or revolutionize shit, which does not meet RNR criteria. Slash copies so much from Joe Perry and Jimy Page, I didn't think it was possible. Axl is an egomaniacal prick who "sings" like a cat being raped. Duff is a mediocre bassist at best. Stephen Adler and Matt Sorum just suck at drumming. They leaves their only talent from Izzy Stradlin.

Posted by Bruce on Monday, 12.1.08 @ 19:16pm

For how old AC/DC is hell yeah Black Ice is inpresive.

Posted by Mike on Thursday, 12.4.08 @ 15:59pm

I think Chinese Democracy is quite brilliant....more on par with Illusion than Appetite....actually, more on par with something like The Who than old GnR. For those who are disappointed because they wanted another Appetite can sit in their '87 Camaro, comb your mullet for your senior year book picture and crank Appetite.....hey, some like to stay in high school forever.....so Chinese Democracy is not for you.

Posted by bquest on Monday, 12.8.08 @ 14:14pm

It should be fairly decent.It took 'em long enough. When they said "Patience". They were not lying.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Monday, 12.8.08 @ 15:46pm

You can't compare Chinese Democracy to Appetite For Destruction or the Use Your Illusion albums but Chinese Democracy is diffrent. I guess it would be GN'R's fourth best album and trailing democracy would The Spagetti Incident and then GN'R Lies. Anyways I'll put in my top 5 Chinese Democracy songs:

1. Madagascar
2. Shackler's Revenge
3. Better
4. Chinese Democracy
5. This I Love

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 12.10.08 @ 06:57am

Mike......GnR Lies is an absolutely excellent release.

I had no illusions that Democracy would sound anything like 20 years ago. How could it considering that the real talent of GnR is gone, (Izzy and Duff)!

I have a feeling that Axel must be losing his mind right now because sales is nowhere near what was expected. I hope so; his insanity and ego destroyed what could have been a great band.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Wednesday, 12.10.08 @ 07:35am

Duff was the real talent in Guns N' Roses? Seriously?

Posted by Metalsmith on Wednesday, 12.10.08 @ 20:19pm

Bruce is right. GNR is one of the most overrated bands of all time. The only have a couple of songs worth listening to. More importantly, they're basically a knock-off of Geffen era Aerosmith. Slash is a watered down Joe Perry and Axl is a talentless version of Steve Tyler. Really nothing to separate GNR from the rest of the hair metal hordes of the time either.

Posted by Randy on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 02:02am

I don't necessarily think GNR are extremely overrated. Maybe slightly overrated. They did strip away some of the over-production that was on a lot of the metal releases of the day. Their problem was that they never took it all the way like the grunge bands did. Appetite was wilder than anything coming out of Poison, Warrant, Winger, etc. GNR LIES expanded on Appetite, and "Patience" showed they could do something else besides regurgitate "Paradise City" or "Mr. Brownstone" endlessly. Then they let the little inner-Liberace run amok all over USE YOUR ILLUSION and blew it big time.

In addition, Geffen era Aerosmith kicked in right on cue w/GNR. APPETITE and PERMANENT VACATION both came out right about the same time. Not quite sure how they area knock off if they're both starting together.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 05:31am

Cheesecrop you are super anal. Its friggin Axl Rose and Slash - not rocket science! Feel it in your groin dude.

Posted by Worm on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 11:06am

Speaking of unheralded influences on the 80's scene; I present for consideration the following two bands:

Angel
Starz

Obviously neither band received commercial or critical aclaim, but both bands have been cited as a big influence by many of the bands that were to follow.

And I fully admit to these bands both being a guilty pleasure of mine.

I am not in anyway saying that they should be in the Hall of Fame. But this shows that a band does not have to sell a lot of albums to be influential. Obviously that helps, but this only shows why sales is not one of the major selling points for the Hall.

Posted by Blah-blah-blah on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 11:54am

Worm, my squiggly friend, you missed the part where I said GNR lost it around USE YOUR ILLUSION. While you suggest that I feel it in my groin, I'd like to suggest that it was at this time that GNR began their own turn toward rocket science.

BTW, please don't tell me to feel it in my groin while suggesting I am super anal. The contradictions inherent in this left me quite confused.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 18:05pm

Yep, I can tell by reading a lot of these posts today that there's a full moon out. All the sudden, Europe is the best band ever (WRONG!!!!) and a bunch of smitten females want to gang rape Steve Perry. The only thing normal is the lack of an intelligent reason why a select few bands are so great!! Oh, well....

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 19:06pm

Honestly guys !!! I don't think they'll get in. "Appetite For Destruction" is a late 80's classic Hard Rock album. But we all know what happened a few years later when Grunge came along and kicked everybodys azz. So GNR's influenced wasn't felt across the industry for too long.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Friday, 12.12.08 @ 12:40pm

Hey Joe - what you say is partly true, although I don't think it was Grunge that did it. I think that scene was dieing already due to the excesses of the artists. All those third tier bands that came out (Warrant, Nelson, Europe, Extreme, etc.) had already laid the groundwork for its funeral. Also, if you look at the history of RnR, most scenes, genres (whatever you want to call them) have only a certain amount of years that they stay in the forefront before something else comes along. The Hair Band Scene for lack of better term dominated for 8 years. In fact, I think GnR helped kill off that scene once and for all. I also think the death of Steve Clark helped it along because Def Leppard went from a band that took chances to nothing more than a bad clone of itself. GnR would have probably stayed strong and viable through the 90's if Axl wasn't such a headcase. Grunge just might have been the last nail in the coffin.

As for GnR entering the Hall, I am indifferent about this. I just think they rehashed early Aerosmith and not nearly as well. But at the time, the music did sound fresh and new to a new genreation. One thing is for, Chinese Democracy didn't help Axl's chances. I hear he has gone into hiding again.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 12.12.08 @ 14:14pm

Dameon, you're a sensible man. Can you explain to me the endless comparisons of Guns N' Roses to Aerosmith? Because I really can't hear it. I've always thought they sound a lot like AC/DC, which is what Axl thinks as well. Or maybe Van Halen. But Aerosmith? I don't get it.

Posted by Metalsmith on Friday, 12.12.08 @ 20:35pm

Dameon, you're a sensible man. Can you explain to me the endless comparisons of Guns N' Roses to Aerosmith? Because I really can't hear it. I've always thought they sound a lot like AC/DC, which is what Axl thinks as well. Or maybe Van Halen. But Aerosmith? I don't get it.

Posted by Metalsmith on Friday, 12.12.08 @ 20:35pm
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I know I'm not Dameon, who REALLY COULD give you a better answer. However I do have a big mouth, a big ego, and a rather small brain. Can I cut in here?

It's the fact that GNR & Aerosmith did share the same label at the same time, when GNR were the biggest thing going, and Aerosmith were a known commodity jumping back into the game. I think when Axl and Tyler did the "Mama Kin" duet it pretty much sealed the deal in the minds of the rock press. You are right in not hearing it all the way. I always thought they were a little of both bands (Aerosmith & AC/DC).

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 12.13.08 @ 06:01am

Metalsmith...I think that Slash's approach to playing is similar to Joe Perry's and Angus Young's (you notice I didn't say "the same"), and they're all very solid, blues driven rock guitarists...very basic, but heavier than wet carpet!! Also, all three bands have a rhythm guitarist. To me, Axl is kind of a Steven Tyler wannabe.

So, with those two key ingredients in mind, you can definitely hear Aerosmith's and AC/DC's influence on GnR...saying that you can hear them in their style just makes sense.

One thing I might add...Buckethead is such a different guitarist than Slash. I was surprised to hear he was playing with them for a while because his approach would have probably made those classic songs sound totally different (I never heard him play any of them, but his style kind of tells me that). Adding a "great player" can change the whole make-up. That just says how vital a lead guitarist is to a group.

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 12.13.08 @ 07:42am

I went to YouTube to watch a video of "Sweet Child O' Mine", and they had 2 lead players...Buckethead and some other fella I didn't recognize. The other guy played more like Slash.

I guess Buckethead's chicken bucket does resemble Slash's top hat a bit, though....

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 12.13.08 @ 08:10am

I know for a while they had a guitarist named Robin Finck who plays on Chinese Democracy and I think he sounds a lot like Slash. He used to be in Nine Inch Nails but you wouldn't know that; he's one hell of a player.

Posted by Metalsmith on Saturday, 12.13.08 @ 12:15pm

Who givs a crap if they only had 1 good album or wat problems gnr has had or wat bandz they sound like, its all about the music and their misic rox harder than anything else, there is no way they wont get in

Posted by Nelly boi on Sunday, 12.14.08 @ 04:08am

Not that I care if they get in or not, but no, they don't "rock harder" than everyone else...no one denies that they WERE a very good group. To a lot of people, "Appetite For Destruction" was the beginning and end for them.

Anything released now (including Chinese Democracy) should be viewed as an Axl Rose solo project...but he's too dumb to realize that. If anyone soils the GnR name it will be him. Just another example of someone putting themselves above the rest of the band...and he wasn't even the real talent...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 12.14.08 @ 08:06am

Axl was always the talent. He formed the band. He wrote the songs. He managed the band when the other members were too wasted to care. And the original members may have bailed on Axl, but the band never broke up.

Posted by Metalsmith on Monday, 12.22.08 @ 17:20pm

Metalsmith - my understanding is that GnR was formed by Axl and Traci Guns. 2nd - Izzy Stradlin had as much to do with the early massive success as anyone in that band, including Axl and finally, the band members split because of Axl pushing for them all to sign over all rights to the name Guns and Roses. Izzy was the first one to tell Axl to f*k off. And as far as I see it, GnR fell apart when Izzy left. And now Chinese Democracy is going to force Axl back into hiding. Anyway, that is my take on things.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 12.22.08 @ 17:57pm

Randy-
Axl has probably the most diffrent voice out of any lead singer (along with Brian Johnson). Steven Tyler sounds like Bruce Dikinson from Iron Maiden, Joe Elliott from Def Leppard, and Duff Mckagen from obviously Guns N' Roses and Tyler is probably the worst out of all of them. Anyways I came here for my top 5 strangest Gn'r songs.

1. Used to Love Her
2. Garden of Eden
3. Get in the Ring
4. I don't Care about you
5. One in a Million

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 12.24.08 @ 09:34am

I don't know that Axl's voice is so different...I stepped on a cat's tail once, sounded amazingly similar!!!! I recall someone saying that he was the "talent" of that group...I actually think Slash was.

Anyway, I just want to take this time to wish everyone a safe and Happy Holiday season! It's been nice discussing and debating on this site (even when it gets a little "rowdy""), and when it comes down to it, if you love rock & roll, you're alright with me!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 12.24.08 @ 13:16pm

Ok, Guns n Roses will get into the RnR Hall of Fame and they deserve it. But, what is sad is that they never lived up to their potential..after Appetite for Destruction their career went downhill pretty quickly. They were the biggest band in the world for about two years, but their entire reputation is built on a very small body of work. Because of Axl's mental illness and the drug use by all the rest of them...they pissed away what could have been a long, truly monumental career. Instead...one great album and then essentially done (don't care what anyone says Use Your Illusion albums are pretty terrible.)

Posted by JohnnyA on Tuesday, 12.30.08 @ 11:58am

There going to get in,but they should'nt.One pretty good album and then they completely self-destruct does not make a hall of fame band.

Posted by Josh on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 12:32pm

"One pretty good album and then they completely self-destruct does not make a hall of fame band."
See: The Sex Pistols.

Posted by Elvin on Saturday, 01.3.09 @ 19:43pm

Guns N Roses will get inducted. They are the top band to come out of the glam mess of the eighties. And Chinese Democracy is a great album. It takes a lot of guts to try to do something different. That's what Axl did. This I Love is one of the best songs ever from GNR. And it wouldn't be GNR without Axl. You can replace everyone else but the singer. Look at Judas Priest, Motley Crue, and Queen. All of them sucked without the original singer. Buckethead is probably the best guitar player ever. No one gives Axl credit for trying to keep GNR going. Axl is GNR and they will be inducted. Oh Yeah Slash is a whiny little baby and knows he screwed up when he left. In his book he doesn't talk like he hates Axl. Whatever.

Posted by DaNNY on Wednesday, 01.7.09 @ 09:47am

yes guns n roses will be in the rock n roll hall of fame appetite for destruction went through the roof sold millions gnr lies and use your illusions I and II sold millions gnr live and greatest hits sold. they sold out every show they did they went around the world more times than i have fingers and toes but the question is is when they do get ready to inducted the band will the original 5 members of the band be together they havent even talked rather than see each other in over 12 years GUNS N ROSES 4 LIFE

Posted by courtney s pennington on Sunday, 01.11.09 @ 09:42am

GNR RULEZZ!!!!!
I CAN'T WAIT 4 THEM TO BE INDOUCTED!:D
EVERYONE WHO THINKS THEY SHOULDNT BE INDOUCTED CAN SUCK MY BALLS!!!

Posted by jacky on Sunday, 01.11.09 @ 10:51am

jacky...instead of making just another stupid comment about some miniscule body part of yours (which would fill a book on this website), why don't you give a good reason why they should be inducted...try going by the criteria, it would be a good start!! They were a great band (I say "were" because they really no longer exist), but HOF worthy, I'm not sure they really did enough. There are tons of artists who put out one or two really great albums, but all Axl Rose is doing now is tarnishing their legacy by calling what he's doing "Guns N' Roses", instead of a solo project. I have a feeling you're going to be waiting a long time...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 01.11.09 @ 11:56am

I want to see Axl sing Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap.

Posted by Mike on Sunday, 01.11.09 @ 12:54pm

Mike...he could probably write his autobiography and call it that...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 01.11.09 @ 12:58pm

Or "Get That Camera".

Posted by Mike on Sunday, 01.11.09 @ 13:02pm

My GN'R Top 10 Guitar Solos:

1. Estranged
2. November Rain
3. Sweet Child O' Mine
4. Madagascar
5. Civil War
6. Welcome to the Jungle
7. Nightrain
8. Paradise City
9. Patience
10. Shakler's Revenge

Posted by Mike on Sunday, 01.11.09 @ 14:33pm

I think GN'R should had put Whole Lotta Rosie, Every Rose Has Its Thorn, and Sympathy For The Devil on the Spagetti Incindent.

I know Sympathy For The Devil is on Greatest Hits and Interview With A Vampire and Whole Lotta Rosie is on Acoustic Jam put these songs would make it a much better album.

Posted by Mike on Friday, 01.30.09 @ 18:24pm

Sorry Mike, but Every Rose Has Its Thorn was Poison, not GNR. Wow. You should apologize to GnR for that one.

Posted by Mountaineer on Sunday, 02.15.09 @ 19:33pm

I know Poison made Every Rose has it's thorn. GN'R did a version of it.

Posted by Mike on Monday, 02.16.09 @ 08:15am

GNr is one of the best bands ever.But with people who suck and axl rose sucks now but he is still cool.her are my top ten GNR songs
1.dont cry
2.estranged
3.wecome to the jungle
4.sweet child O' mine
5.piradise city
6.live and let die
7.madagascar
8.patience
9.garden of eaden
10.deadhorse

Posted by steven on Monday, 02.16.09 @ 18:09pm

That list sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Mike on Thursday, 02.19.09 @ 13:49pm

Don't like GNR, but they're walk-ins for sure.

Posted by Ash on Saturday, 03.14.09 @ 23:38pm

If you don't like them why do you think they are walk ins?

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 03.18.09 @ 14:52pm

my top 10 songs ever

1. Piano Man
2. Spongebob Sqarepants Theme
3. Pokemon Theme
4. Old McDonold
5.I Kissed A Girl
6. ICarly Theme
7. I Like to Eat Apples & Bananas
8. My Gym Partner's a Monkey Theme
9. Hot N' Cold
10. Big Girls Don't Cry

Posted by Jason on Monday, 03.23.09 @ 18:18pm

my top songs evr

1.sweet child o' mine
2.dont cry
3.november rain
4.welcome to the jungle
5.yesterdays
6.my michelle
7.night train
8.this i love
9.chinese democracy
10.out ta get me

all songs r by guns n roses cuz they rock! i think that if gnr gets inducted into the hall of fame that will at least bring slash back i have to admit buckethead is good, but slash is better.

Posted by kyle on Friday, 04.3.09 @ 14:21pm

Posted by kyle on Friday, 04.3.09 @ 14:21pm
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Toss in "Rocket Queen", "Mr. Brownstone", & "You Could Be Mine", and you'd come close to my top ten songs. Come to think of it, I don't think I ever tossed up a favorites GNR list. Here goes:

Welcome to the Jungle
Paradise City
Sweet Child O Mine
Rocket Queen
Mr Brownstone
Patience
Night Train
You Could Be Mine
Don't Cry

& I also like there cover of Fear's "I Don't Care About You", though precious few ever agree w/me on this.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 04.3.09 @ 17:58pm

I will chime in on this list:

Used To Love Her
One in a Million
Rocket Queen
My Michelle
Mr. Brownstone
The Garden
So Fine
Civil War
14 Years
Paradise City

honorable mention: Patience (This is a beautiful song)

I will also say that GnR was one of the best cover bands ever. Their versions of the following are as good if not better than the originals:

Live and Let Die
Knochin on Heavens Door
Ain't It Fun
Black Leather

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 04.3.09 @ 18:12pm

of course ill vote for Guns N' Roses! But the thing that puts me to shame is that Slash & Steven Adler aren't part of the band anymore

=[

but i stille vote YES!

=]

Posted by Argel on Thursday, 04.9.09 @ 20:02pm

I love GNR and Madonna. The greatest artists. What i love about Axl and Madonna is that they are both geniuses and also 2 deeply mentally disturbed people. Amazing! Also I saw this old picture with Axl going to a Madonna's birthday party, with a present in his hand, which i thought it was great!Also in his concerts he used to wear a leather jacket with Madonna's picture on the back! Great!

Posted by FanBoy on Friday, 04.10.09 @ 14:33pm

Madonna and Metallica and Guns 'N Roses r tha best rockers )):::

Posted by Gavroche on Friday, 04.24.09 @ 07:26am

Another sure bet--- Appetite for Destruction "changed the world" just as the Stones did way back when.

If you were not around in the late 80's/early 90's, you would not know what a kick in the ass to popular music GNR, Jane's Addiction, Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails and Metallica were. All bands- anti- authority, anti formula, just unexpected to break out, but they did. And they all did in a HUGE way.

Appetite ranks up there with some of the most legendary albums of all time like Back in Black, Pyromania, Exile on Main St, Revolver, Led Zeppelin IV, Nevermind, The Wall, etc.
And the other albums were good too (ok Spaghetti Incident not so much)

Add all the controversy that Guns N Roses brought , and you have another sure HOF induction for the future. People CARED what Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, and Steven did, years later, VH1 even puts Steven on a show, and he was the least known and celebrated gun!

And for all those who say that one great album does not get you in-- ahem... please see (Sex Pistols) nuff said!

Posted by Rich In NYC on Friday, 04.24.09 @ 11:37am

Seriousley putt theez guayz in
they arez teh bestss

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Posted by KAREN on Friday, 05.29.09 @ 16:03pm

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Posted by KAREN on Friday, 06.19.09 @ 14:06pm

Karen, this is a rock n roll website. You can't talk about your personal life unless it has something to do with rock n roll.

But I heard the "Coven page" on this site welcomes your kind of stories.

Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 06.19.09 @ 14:11pm

Karen.. You would be a lot less annoying and a lot easier to understand if you WROTE IN PLAIN ENGLISH AND NOT GIBBERISH

Posted by Keebord on Friday, 06.19.09 @ 15:38pm

i'm going to take a wild stab and say GNR will be inducted. Alongside Van Halen and Aerosmith, they were THE hard rock band of the 80s.

Posted by Justin on Thursday, 06.25.09 @ 02:47am

They have ONE good album people. Count 'em - ONE. I love Appetite for Destruction (even though it is, at the end of that day, the ugly stepsister of Permanent Vacation) as much as anyone but the fact of the matter is that everything they did afterwards was crap.

Posted by Randy on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 11:07am

Beatles, they are like an institution, if u could only imagine what people r capable to defend them
Anything, any artist that is better than them (and there are several), will be severally punished, by all means possible? He's nothing, he's zero, nada...

And...guess who will be the most "punished", by any means possible...The very best of those who are better than the fags, the better they are, the bigger the "punishment" will be...Guns' and others...

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 12:11pm

Bruce Springsteen the best performer, bar to none? That redneck?

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 12:19pm

Anyone, but anyone better than Beatles, shall be punished by any means possible.

But how could that be done, on mass scale?

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 12:23pm

The problem here is that. For a supposed Beatles fan, Gitarzan always acts litlle jerk to acts like Michael Jackson, Madonna, Guns, even though Gitarzan is American, Beatles British. He doesn't seem open minded towards other artists, he hates them, he enjoys degrading them:

Guns have only one album
Madonna is nothing
Jackson was never in the Top 10 immortals

who are those, they are the worst

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 12:28pm

Gitarzan and the other rock purists/ Beatles fans envy and hate anything that even resembles of being better than the fab four mediocres: Michael Jackson, Madonna, Guns'

In the name of that envy, they will say anything:

Bruce Sprinsteen, the best performer ever! lol
Garth Brooks, he's better than Elvis. How could Elvis be better than Beatles, and even B. springsteen and Garth Brooks (2 rednecks) are better than Elvis?

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 12:35pm

According to you, I bet, Garth Brooks is better than Elvis. After all, he did sell more than him, and that in only what, 15 years? lol

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 12:49pm

How is it possible, for that mediocre human being and artist, to sell in 15 years, more (albums) than Elvis in 50 years, according to RIAA?

Can someone explain this crap?

A global legend, outpassed by whom, a mediocre redneck. WTF is that?

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 12:53pm

How is it possible, for that mediocre human being and artist, Garth Brooks,

to sell in 15 years, more (albums) than Elvis in 50 years, according to RIAA?

Can someone explain this crap?

A global legend, outpassed by whom, a mediocre redneck. WTF is that?

Can someone provide a logical explination? Thanks

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 12:57pm

How is it possible, for that mediocre human being and artist, Garth Brooks,
to sell in 15 years, more (albums) than Elvis in 50 years, according to RIAA?
Can someone explain this crap?
A global legend, outpassed by whom, a mediocre redneck. WTF is that?
Can someone provide a logical explination? Thanks

Listen dude, I'm a huge elvis fan, i just don't get it.

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 13:02pm

Does Garth Brooks appeals more than Elvis in USA, and if so, why?

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 13:06pm

I know Madonna is a talentless biotch,

but I was talking about Elvis

How is it possible for Garth Brooks to sell more than Elvis?

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 13:12pm

I was giving examples of big icons like my hero, elvis

But how is it possible for that repulsive redenck, Garth brooks, to have sold more than Elvis, in USA, becoming therefore the biggest selling artist ever in USA?

Thanks, or to put it another way, is USA a sane country? Thanks

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 13:20pm

Gun N Roses deserve induction and they most likely will be inducted. You can find blues rock, heavy metal, hard rock, softer ballads, and everything in between in the GNR catelog. They have a massive influence on the bands that followed. The only problem with thier induction is how are they going to get the original line-up back together?

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 13:57pm

Bull, Garth Brooks has nothing on Elvis the King. hIS GORGEOUS VOICE, STAGE PRESENCE - UNMATCHED. eVEN IF HE'S SLIGHTLY BEHIND ON usa, eLVIS IS THE MUCH BIGGER SUCEES WORLDWIDE
iCONS LIKE NEATLES OR MIHAEL, PRETTY DECENT, BUT THE KING REMAINS THE KING, ELVIS FOREVET, NOT GART bROOKS OR BEATLES

THEY ARE PLAIN JOKES

Posted by Kubbet on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 15:45pm

Wow I try to generate a litle discussion and it degenerates into this mess? Stop feeding the trolls, people. They go away if you ignore them.

Posted by Randy on Tuesday, 07.7.09 @ 05:03am

Personally it wouldn't bother me if the original lineup didn't reunite for the induction. Steven's too messed up to do anything anymore and Slash is just a lousy drunk. I'd like to Axl, Dizzy and the current band rejoined by Izzy and Duff to accept the award.

Posted by Metalsmith on Thursday, 07.16.09 @ 17:18pm

Well, the original lineup is the classic lineup as far as I'm concerned, but yes Adler is very out of it(I remember his band, Adler's Appetite was playing a place called the Crazy Donkey and actually advertised that he was on Celebrity Rehab). Still he should be inducted with the band because those first two albums are very important. Matt Sorum as well should be inducted with the band because his time in the band is just as important as Adler's.

I can't stand all the lineup changes the band is going though now. And being honest I consider Chinese Democracy an Axl Rose solo album not a GNR album(like the Black Sabbath albums when Iommi was the only original remember I see those as his solo albums not Sabbath albums).

Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 07.16.09 @ 18:22pm

I guess now is the time to say this. Everyone is bitching about Chinese Democracy. "It's an Axl solo album, wahhh!" Has anyone said the same thing about Ian Anderson, Lemmy Kilmister, Dave Mustaine, David Coverdale, Ian Paice? No, it's all just part of the Axl Rose hate club which exists for no reason other than that he took his time in creating an album which is a damn sight better than anything else coming out at the moment.

Posted by Metalsmith on Friday, 07.17.09 @ 21:35pm

Good point and for the record I do not hate Axl. He is one of the best frontmen in rock history IMO and I actually think Chinese Democracy has a few good tracks on it, but it doesn't sound like anything GNR have done in the past. It has a very machine-like sound to it and is very different from the older GNR sound. Which is why I have trouble really calling it a GNR album because it sounds so different.

Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 07.17.09 @ 22:05pm

Yeah some of it is very mechanical, shall we say? I think that's Buckethead's influence. Some of it is a bit more organic though, I think, like some of the tracks with just Axl and his piano.

Posted by Metalsmith on Friday, 07.17.09 @ 22:11pm

My top 10, favorite GNR tracks:

1. "Paradise City"
2. "Sweet Child O' Mine"
3. "November Rain"
5. "Welcome to the Jungle"
6. "Live and Let Die"(PM & Wings cover)
7. "Estranged"
8. "Patience"
9. "Knockin' on Heaven's Door"(Bob Dylan cover)
10. "You Could be Mine"

They deserve it. Class of 2012(if they can figure out this lineup problem...)

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 07.20.09 @ 23:17pm

Hah, I skipped 4... I guess I'll add "Civil War"

Posted by Dude Man on Monday, 07.20.09 @ 23:20pm

They are great, for real, the best rock band of all time, by farrrr

Posted by Gaven on Tuesday, 07.21.09 @ 14:03pm

Then AC/DC, Zep, Beatles, Stones, Queen

Posted by Gaven on Tuesday, 07.21.09 @ 14:06pm

ok well first of all it doesn't sound like original GN'R because, well.....they ALL left except Axl.Everybody's saying," it's not GN'R" but in all reality, it's what Axl wanted to do in original GN'R, but it got pushed into this generation instead because "other members" had other ideas. It's just another side to them, but mainly Axl. And I personally LOVE Chinese Democracy, and so does Slash. Obviously, Axl's doin' somethin' right to keep some hardcore fans interested!

Posted by Allywood Rose on Tuesday, 07.21.09 @ 19:02pm

of course they will.
if anyone deserves to be inducted then its GNR.
appetite is the finest rock album.
Lies was pretty awesome.they created great acoustic masterpieces which are in that album.
use your illusion (I&II):perfect blend of artistic imaginations with rock music. contains the best composition and arrangement in rock history(NR)
and spaghetti incident was pretty damn good.

they had everything musical talent,each member were a master of their craft.
they were very influential and one of the most successfull acts in rock n roll history and their legacy will live forever.

Posted by liv4rockk on Saturday, 08.1.09 @ 07:21am

They should get in, they deserve it. But honestly the new members, other than Axl should not receive the prize. It's Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, and Steven who made Guns N' Roses and maybe Matt and Dizzy.
But they deserve it, they are the best rock band ever :)

Posted by Gunsuperfan on Monday, 08.10.09 @ 05:14am

One good album. Not worth the hall of fame.

Posted by RustinPeace on Monday, 08.10.09 @ 21:10pm

This is Guns and Roses.Enough said.The answer is YES.

Posted by Rashme on Friday, 08.21.09 @ 00:41am

RustinPeace-
I know GN'R Lies and Spaghetti Incindent sucked but your forgetting the Illusions. Those were great albums.

Posted by Mike on Saturday, 09.12.09 @ 11:51am

yeah!! I mean this could b such a good oppotunity to get them all together! that would b a dream come true for a lot of gnr fans borned in the 90s, who didn't see gnr in their wildest years!!They MUST be on the rock n'roll hall! definitely!

Posted by lucero on Saturday, 09.19.09 @ 19:17pm

Arguably the most influential rock band in recent memory, a no brainer in my mind. If they don't deserve to get in, neither do well over half the bands that are already in.

Posted by Chris on Sunday, 09.20.09 @ 17:22pm

i think they will get in of course appetite was a kick ass debut album i loved use your illusion 1 and 2 and i really think chinese democracy is a kick ass album now the thing is will the put the new guns or old guns in the rock in roll hall of fame?

Posted by Forrest on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 13:48pm

of course GUNS N ROSES are going in...NO DOUB'T for that,only if something un natural happens and they don't get in,it's impossible and i'm angry how could they not be in yet!!!!!!!
GUNS' made the difference between hair metal and a real ROCK BAND in the late 80's early 90's and most of the musicians nowdays are influanced by them!!!
they're songs are UNIQUE and the way they performed is AMAZING!!!!!!!they had everything that a rock band should have!!!!!

Posted by yvonne on Monday, 09.21.09 @ 16:58pm

Anyone ever compare the main "Zero the Hero" riff to "Paradise City"? Not saying, GNR "borrowed" anything, but they are similiar.

Posted by Dude Man on Thursday, 09.24.09 @ 13:26pm

I actually quite enjoy GnR -- of all the Hard Rock groups to make it in the 1980's, they remained the most reverent to classic rock... actually, they're kind of like the Pearl Jam of 1980's Hard Rock. It's a shame that the abundance of fanboys on this thread prevents any intelligent discourse on the subject.

Posted by Chalkie on Friday, 10.16.09 @ 05:45am

Is this even a question??? GNR is the greatest pure hard rock band ever, even if all these jokers say they only made one good album out of Appetite. They are a lock

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Posted by karen on Sunday, 10.18.09 @ 15:38pm

guns n roses will definitally get inducted. appetite for destruction was the best. most first albums suck but theres was sick.

Posted by nick on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 11:22am

Living rock legends!! If they don't get in they should do away with the RnR Hall of fame. For all of you incompetent haters who can't appreciate music in its originality, find something else to do besides critizing.

Posted by cabledawg on Saturday, 11.7.09 @ 15:39pm

I personally own every GNR song EVER and I am still waiting on one I don't like... even Chinese Democracy... reinvigorated hard rock in the eighties with a vengeance... ridiculous to think that induction chances aren't 100% right now... Axl and Slash deserve in as individuals too, even though neither one has had a real solo career (Snakepit isn't actually a solo career, they just used his name for promoting the band)

Posted by Chris on Saturday, 11.14.09 @ 13:10pm

wooow this argument has been going on for over 3 years.... pathetic much?

Posted by hwell... on Wednesday, 12.16.09 @ 17:33pm

Axl: Emotion, high energy, songwriting.
Slash: Soul, raw energy.
Izzy: Songwriting and musical theory talent.
Duff: Songwriting and punk influences.
Steven: Great rhythm. He played to the guitar more then to the bass.

Each brought something to the band. It wasn't just any one or two of them.

Posted by Michael on Wednesday, 12.23.09 @ 20:29pm

I would include Dizzy Reed and Matt Sorum as well. They are both very talented musicians who contributed to Guns N' Roses's success during their peak era.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 12.23.09 @ 23:15pm

I would love to say that Guns N' Roses is getting in the hall of fame because they are a great band. Their influence is incredible and they are extremely talented. Not to mention one of the best live bands. But keep in mind the cluelessness of the Hall Of Fame voters, remember who isn't in...a few little bands named Kiss, Rush, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Deep Purple and so on. God bless GN'R!! Good luck guys!

Posted by Alec L on Sunday, 12.27.09 @ 21:40pm

Axl Rose
Slash
Izzy Stradlin
Duff McKagan
Steven Adler
Matt Sorum
Dizzy Reed
Gilby Clarke

That's it.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 12.28.09 @ 21:12pm

I am going to preface this question with this statement: I am a fan of GnR and believe they will be inducted.

That being said, here is my question:

Can someone please give me several examples of bands that Guns actually influenced?

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 12.29.09 @ 05:55am

I am going to preface this question with this statement: I am a fan of GnR and believe they will be inducted.

That being said, here is my question:

Can someone please give me several examples of bands that Guns actually influenced?

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 12.29.09 @ 05:55am
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I hate to say it, but not many.

Skid Row is the obvious first choice. You might say the Black Crowes took something from them, but you're on slippery ground here. Lenny Kravitz maybe... he ran around w/Slash for a while, & for all I know he might still do so now...

Buckcherry... ?

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 12.29.09 @ 20:15pm

Avenged Sevenfold I believe have cited GNR.

Posted by Dude Man on Tuesday, 12.29.09 @ 20:27pm

Oh God I can't believe some think GN'R shouldn't be in the Rock N' Roll Hall Of Fame.
They're simply one of the best rock bands in history.
It would be awesome that Slash and Axl go to the ceremony and play a song. Yeah THAT would be incredible!!
So influential or not I think they should be awarded although I think they are.
God Bless Guns N' Roses and every GN'R fan!!

Posted by ViK on Sunday, 01.3.10 @ 15:14pm

Well, they will be inducted in but they won't accept the award, or at least the entire band won't. Axl has stated he won't because he doesn't want a big fight to break out like, correct me if im wrong, but i think he said Van Halen had when they got the award. I haven't heard anything about steven adler in forever except he had a stroke and has mental problems now or something but maybe slash, duff, and izzy wil accept the award

Posted by jake on Friday, 02.12.10 @ 19:51pm

I guess now is the time to say this. Everyone is bitching about Chinese Democracy. "It's an Axl solo album, wahhh!" Has anyone said the same thing about Ian Anderson, Lemmy Kilmister, Dave Mustaine, David Coverdale, Ian Paice? No, it's all just part of the Axl Rose hate club which exists for no reason other than that he took his time in creating an album which is a damn sight better than anything else coming out at the moment.
Posted by Metalsmith on Friday, 07.17.09 @ 21:35pm

I just questioned your metal credentials on the Poison board; I can now safely decide that your metal credibility is 0. Every real metal fan knows that Lemmy IS Motorhead and Dave Mustaine IS Megadeth. Let's start with Lemmy; he came up with the name, he wrote the first song ("Motorhead", in Hawkwind, though I bet you didn't know that.) Everyone who's been in the band with him has kicked ass, but their sound isn't so distinctive that you can tell when they're gone. No, the distinctive bits are Lemmy's vocals and bass playing, plus he writes most of the songs. Mustaine writes most of the lyrics (90-95%) in Megadeth, he sings, he writes most of the riffs, he came up with the bassline for Peace Sells, he wrote the first song, he came up with the name Megadeth before he met Ellefson, and he does lots of soloing and writing lead parts. Replace anyone else in Megadeth and the casual listener wouldn't know the difference. Likewise, the guys who have been in Whitesnake don't have such a distinctive sound that you'd notice if they were gone. Guns do (Appetite and UYI.) Slash's distinctive tone, Duff's funk-tinged bass lines; it's easy to notice when they're missing. Plus, what pisses people off is that Axl basically held the band hostage and forced them to sign the name over to him, otherwise they wouldn't have done the Use Your Illusion Tour. G'N'R was about the chemistry between 5 talented guys and when you mess with that chemistry... Consequently, it doesn't make it right for Coverdale to keep firing people, but nobody notices the difference. Ian Paice never held anybody hostage, and this current lineup is close enough to being Deep Purple because even without Lord and Blackmore, there's still Gillan, Paice and Glover (3/5ths of Mk.II.) As for Jethro Tull, Martin Barre joined after only 1 album, so the fan base wasn't enough for it to be that big a deal, and the bassists and drummers don't have distinctive styles or songwriting talents that make them irreplacable. Since '69, Tull's been about Martin and Ian.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 02.14.10 @ 20:30pm

So... now that that crap's deal with, I can talk to the fans. Hello my fellow G'N'R fans. I'm afraid you're why overestimating the band. They were a great band, but William, Dameon, Liam and Kit are right in saying that they were not innovative nor all that influential. They were a great band, I will always think that, and I know that they are a virtual lock for induction. Unfortunately, for reasons stated above, I cannot support their induction. I'll be happy for them, but also dissapointed that some of the bands that were more important that partially paved the way for Guns will not be honored. These bands? Motley Crue, Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Thin Lizzy, Motorhead, Alice Cooper, The Damned. There are also others who deserve it more. I'm sorry, my fellow fanboys, it's just how I feel. Now... I would like a serious discussion. Who do you think is a good choice to induct them? Any thoughts?

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 02.14.10 @ 20:37pm

As I've stated before...unfortunately, GnR is one of those bands who had a member who thought he was somehow above his bandmates. I guess one could write a book about the times that has happened. I also don't think I'd classify them as "metal"...not all hard-driving rock & roll is "metal"...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 02.14.10 @ 20:54pm

They have to put em in there one of the rock gods but only when slash was in there Axel and slah ruled with an iron fist at one point in time

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Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 02.17.10 @ 07:28am

Guns n Roses are a shoe-in! They will be inducted. There is no need to talk about them.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 02.17.10 @ 13:20pm

We can certainly talk about whether they deserve it, Roy. Or would you like us to devote all our attention to 50's and 60's acts?

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Posted by karen on Sunday, 03.7.10 @ 17:47pm

Is this even a question??? GNR is the greatest pure hard rock band ever, even if all these jokers say they only made one good album out of Appetite. They are a lock

Posted by Chris on Saturday, 10.17.09 @ 12:01pm

I do think the Illusions were good, but first of all no they were not the best hard rock band ever. I wouldn't even call them the best hard rock band of the 80's or the 90's. I agree they are a lock, and I am a fan, but it's difficult for me to justify them getting in ahead of so many other hard rock acts that actually fit the bill (some of whom paved the way for Guns.) And I don't care what anyone says, Appetite era GNR was close to being hair band material (check out Axl's hairdo in the "Welcome to the Jungle" vid if you don't believe me.) Plus, that scene wasn't quite as tame as people would have you believe (mostly due to Motley Crue, who played the same kind of raw, ugly rock that GNR did; the difference is the Crue used more hooks.) I reckon I'll do a Keltner analysis at some point.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 03.10.10 @ 19:52pm

"Yes, that's right, it's not a rock n' roll hall if they ain't in it!" That ranks right up there as the 2nd dumbest comment on this board. The dumbest being the person who said that Free, Cream, The Jeff Beck Group and Thin Lizzy "sucked on GNR's balls".

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 03.10.10 @ 19:56pm

Obviously one of my fellow GNR fans took offense to my being objective (what a concept, huh?) and decided to impersonate me. I give them credit for somehow knowing I was bi though. Post your own comments instead of impersonating me, even if imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 03.21.10 @ 21:17pm

Keltner time. 1. Were Guns N Roses ever regarded as the best artist in rock (Did anyone ever seriously suggest this?) Nobody outside of any diehard fans that I know of has suggested this, and I don't think it, though they were great.

2. Were GNR ever the best artist in their genre? Subjective. In terms of hard rock, no. However, Appetite could be the best hard rock album. If you consider them a hair band, maybe. As for whether anyone else thinks they're the best hard rock act: UYII ranked #20 and AFD #1 on Classic Rock and Metal Hammer's 100 greatest hard rock albums (a collab. between the two mags,) so maybe they think it. They won Favorite Hard Rock/Metal Artist at the American Music Awards twice.

3. Were GNR ever considered the best at their instruments? Guitar One Magazine ranked AFD #1 in the Classic Rock section of their 200 Greatest Guitar Albums, so possibly some of them think Slash and/or Izzy are the best Classic Rock guitarists. Slash often makes it onto those Greatest Guitarists (#2 on Time Magazine's 10 Best Electric Players behind only Jimi,) but the only time he came out on top was when Esquire Magazine voted him "Best Guitarist" at the 2005 Esky Music Awards (how much water that holds, I don't know.) Sebastian Bach once called Axl the best singer in the world, but he's changed his story several times. Duff, Matt and Steven are not the best at what they do by any means.

4. Did GNR have an impact on a number of other bands? AllMusic Guide lists as followers: Almighty, Circus of Power, Four Horsemen, London Quireboys, D Generation, Brian Welch, Nashville Pussy, Backyard Babies, New American Shame, Dir en Grey, Galapagos, Living Things, Satanicide, The Compulsions, Dirty Little Secret. I've never listened to any of them. I believe you could draw a line between GNR + Buckcherry (GNR is listed as one of their influences). Other than that I don't know for sure.

5. Were GNR good enough that they could play after their prime? Depending on whether you consider this incarnation to be GNR (I don't). Nonetheless, all of them are still recording and touring this side of the millenium (yes, Steven's playing; he plays on the new Slash album, and formed a GNR tribute band.)

6. Are GNR the very best artist in history not in the Hall? Best rock band? No, not to me. Nonetheless, they made #9 on VH1's 100 Greatest Hard Rock Artists, and all but one of the artists ahead of them are in. Likewise, Classic Rock Magazine ranked AFD #6 on their 100 Greatest Rock Albums, and everyone ranked higher is in, so they might say disagree with me. Acclaimed Music, which is a round-up of all the critical lists, lists GNR as the 88th greatest artist of all time, with 26 of those 87 ahead of them not in the Hall (yes, I counted not yet eligible as well.) I know GNR aren't eligible but I figured I should do it now as not much will change in the next 7-8 months.

7. Are most bands who have a comparable recording history and impact in the Hall of Fame? Recording wise, that's subjective. I might be able to think of at least a dozen artists ahead of them in terms of impact not in the Hall.

8. Is there any evidence to suggest that GNR were significantly better or worse than suggested by statistical records? If we're talking sales and charts, no.

9. Are GNR the best artist in it's genre eligible for the Hall? Recording wise, not in Hard Rock, though due to their lack of output they could beat Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy and Ozzy (to name a few) for consistency, even though I think those artists' best stuff is better than GNR's best stuff. According to Acclaimed Music, there are really only 3 "Hard Rock" artists better than GNR not yet in the Hall.
10. How many #1 singles/gold records did GNR have? 5 Gold (1 Plat.) singles, 1 #1 in the US. 2 #1 albums in the US, 2 in the UK. No Grammy wins, 3 nominations.
11. How many Grammy-level songs/albums did GNR have? For how long of a period did GNR dominate the music scene? How many Rolling Stone Covers did GNR appear on? Did most of the bands with this kind of impact go into the Hall of Fame? They had many songs that were better than Grammy-winning songs. They were one of the biggest bands in the world from 1988-93, and the Axl Rose Band can still fill stadiums in Asia. Several RS covers: Axl on his own in '89 and '92, the band in '91 and '88, and Slash once on his own. Most of the bands with a bigger impact are inducted, but there are some still waiting.
12. If GNR were the best band at a concert, would it rock? Yes.
13. What impact did GNR have on rock history? Any stylistic changes or new equipment? Did GNR change history? Some credit GNR for bringing raw rock back onto the charts, though it someways it was still around (see Motley Crue.) Not really groundbreaking; maybe you could say November Rain was, but that might be a stretch. Soundgarden opened for them, and they are for sure HOF worthy. Maybe GNR changed history.

14. Did GNR uphold the standards of sportsmanship and character? They partied a lot. Axl deserves blame for the split, of course, but it's worth noting that he was angry with Slash and Duff for being too wasted to properly contribute.

Tough call. They will get in, and there could be a case for it being legitimate, but I feel that all their predecessors should get in first as they were more important. It won't bother me when they get in, as I am a fan, it'll just make them seem more important than they are.

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Posted by karen on Saturday, 04.17.10 @ 22:11pm

"slash influenced many guitarists that we know today, duff influenced many bassists we know today and matt sorum did the same but axl rose? what could he influence?" - bryan

I'm sure Slash has influenced some guitarists (as any popular guitarist probably does), but I couldn't name anybody Axl, Duff, Matt, Izzy or Steven influenced.

"Arguably the most influential rock band in recent memory, a no brainer in my mind. If they don't deserve to get in, neither do well over half the bands that are already in." - Chris

Not much influence actually, and not groundbreaking in the slightest. As other people have said: You can't induct everyone.

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Posted by KAREN on Thursday, 05.13.10 @ 20:48pm

"the single most influential band ever. anybody after them have some form of a GNR influence" - curt

Not even close.

"OFCOURE they'll get in...they kick ass. If those poppie shithole metallica twats can get in then I say INDUCT GnR right now!" - ad

Should I assume you're young and naive and have no idea what it takes to be worthy of induction, or do I start praying that you never reproduce right away?

"Free, Cream, Jeff Beck Group, Blue Öyster Cult, Thin Lizzy, Foghat, AC/DC...All earlier and better than GNR." - William

I disagree with Foghat, and I'm not sure about Cream and Free and BOC (though Cream pretty much allowed GNR to exist), but I agree with the rest. Let me add to it... Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Van Halen, Deep Purple, Rainbow, Black Sabbath, Ted Nugent.

You want Hard Rock in the Hall? Let me try and narrow it down to twenty...

Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth, Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy, Ozzy, Venom, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Alice Cooper, Rush, Motley Crue, Def Leppard, The Runaways, KISS, Rainbow, New York Dolls, Black Flag and Quiet Riot. All deserving of being in before GNR.

I actually like GNR, but it's impossible to carry on an intelligent conversation here because of a lack of intelligence.

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Seconded. Just go to a bloody psych ward at the hospital already; any to reccomend, Gitarzan? I'd reccomend Northampton General just because that's where I was born but it might be a bit far for her.

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Well...Pueblo, Colorado has a nice little "facility" where she could, um, "rest"... That's kinda close to me, though. "Wacko" isn't an airborne virus, is it...????

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Posted by KARENJAMES on Monday, 07.5.10 @ 21:38pm

Guns N' Roses should be inducted ASAP.

The band has sold more than 110 million albums worldwide,including over 46 million in the United States. Appetite for Destruction, has sold in excess of 38 million copies worldwide and reached No. 1 on the United States Billboard 200.

In addition, the album charted three Top 10 hits on the Billboard Hot 100, including "Sweet Child o' Mine" which reached No. 1. The 1991 albums Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II debuted on the two highest spots on the Billboard 200 and have sold a combined 14 million copies in the United States alone and 35 million worldwide.

Posted by Michael on Friday, 07.9.10 @ 08:31am

"Guns N' Roses should be inducted ASAP."

They're not even eligible until next year, and your whole argument revolved around sales and charts figures. At best those should play a minor part. The main criteria is Innovation, Influence and Perpetuation. Guns were a great band, and they do have the third Criteria to some degree, but they have little of the second and none of the first. Sorry, thats just how it is.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 07.10.10 @ 16:01pm

I'm tired of hearing about influence and innovation. Truly after all these years no band is really all that innovative. You name it, it's been done. Who really cares about influence. It's just a way for sucky less deserving bands to get in the hall, while really talented acts get left out. You know like letting REM or Nirvana in, but keeping out Guns and Roses.

Posted by mike on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 10:15am

I'm tired of hearing about influence and innovation. Truly after all these years no band is really all that innovative. You name it, it's been done. Who really cares about influence. It's just a way for sucky less deserving bands to get in the hall, while really talented acts get left out. You know like letting REM or Nirvana in, but keeping out Guns and Roses.

Posted by mike on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 10:16am

Slash is an awesome guitarist but this guys are overrated in my opinion. Thy didn't last that long as a band really, I mean there are bands who have been together for years but aren't in yet why should GNR get in before them.

Posted by Anna-Lee on Thursday, 07.15.10 @ 07:43am

"Truly after all these years no band is really all that innovative."

These days that's probably true. However, it was still going on in the 80's and 90's for sure. If you want examples I'll provide them (and yes some hard rock acts will be involved if I provide them.)

"Who really cares about influence."

Anyone who starts a band, you idiot. If you don't bring anything new to the table and nobody owes anything to your existence then it doesn't mean you don't have good music in you, but it does mean that in the long run you're a cog in the wheel and easy to forget about.

"It's just a way for sucky less deserving bands to get in the hall, while really talented acts get left out. You know like letting REM or Nirvana in, but keeping out Guns and Roses."

Well if you don't care about the two I's then you basically use your perception of things to create your own pet project? Go f*ck yourself. If you can't see why R.E.M. were inducted and Nirvana will be (they haven't been let in yet, moron) then you won't be taken seriously around here, and you're probably on the wrong site. Maybe boyband.com will be easier for you to understand. If "talent" is your thing, then I guess it's time to throw The Clash, The Ramones, the Sex Pistols, Bob Dylan and a few others out of the Hall, and yet I don't think anyone who knows anything would do so. Okay, anyone who would throw those guys out line up for a kick in the balls.

As a sidenote, I think some members of GNR (who haven't been kept out since they're not even eligible yet) themselves would have a thing or two to say about the idea of Nirvana being "sucky".

Posted by Sam on Monday, 07.19.10 @ 21:38pm

Whoever says GnR will not get in will have an ass full of foot. SLASH is my idol. Axel is a jackass but they will get in.

Posted by Eisah on Thursday, 07.29.10 @ 14:33pm

They will definitely be in. Guns N' Roses define what Rock N' Roll is and are one of the most musically talented and influential bands of the past 30 years.

Posted by Dan on Sunday, 08.1.10 @ 15:40pm

Free, Cream, Jeff Beck Group, Blue Öyster Cult, Thin Lizzy, Foghat all suck on gnr's balls the only band on the same level with gnr out of those you said is AC/DC

Posted by ohyeah on Friday, 04.27.07 @ 15:06pm

Clearly "ohyeah" (your name should be "clueless") needs to do some serious research on rock and roll history since he/she/it is in a state of such contemptible intellectual ignorance. Not that he/it will.


"I'm tired of hearing about influence and innovation." - mike

Well it's too bad for you that's the criteria for consideration into the RRHOF then, isn't it?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 01:21am

LOL Indeed, Tahvo. Something how some erroneously equate commercial success with HOF induction. GNR was one of those acts that not only were commercially successful, but made some landmark music. When eligible, I can't imagine GNR not getting in. Unfortunately, I don't know how Axl and Slash will appear on stage together (even if jut to accept), but odder things have happened,

Posted by JR on Tuesday, 08.17.10 @ 16:42pm

Who are these hard rock acts from the 70s that would have outshined them? Led Zepplin and Aerosmith would have been their only competition. Yes, they were better than Aerosmith in any era. As for Zepplin I won't go there. You obviously have a bone to pick with the scene they were from. Sorry it looks like you love grunge, and cant handle the fact that these guys music easily
runs roughshod over that scene. As for grunge, it wasn't original. Punk music, overamplified, and all crying about how bad life is. How did Guns and Roses albums get progressively worse over time? Their last studio albums came out in 91. Use Your Illusion 1 was good and 2 was even much better. It seems like you wan't to make them out to be a one trick pony like Nirvana.

Posted by Frank on Thursday, 08.19.10 @ 08:13am

"Who are these hard rock acts from the 70s that would have outshined them? Led Zepplin and Aerosmith would have been their only competition."

You listed two of them there, Zeppelin and Aerosmith. Also: Van Halen, Deep Purple, AC/DC, Thin Lizzy, Queen, possibly ZZ Top, possibly Ted Nugent, The Who, Black Sabbath, Rush (better players for damn sure), The Jeff Beck Group, Judas Priest, Motorhead... I think that mostly covers it.

"Yes, they were better than Aerosmith in any era."

Slash would like a word outside.

"As for Zepplin I won't go there."

Why not?

"Sorry it looks like you love grunge, and cant handle the fact that these guys music easily
runs roughshod over that scene."

I actually think Soundgarden could easily match them in a Battle of the Bands, if not defeat them (it's important to note that GNR actually covered Soundgarden AND picked them as an opening act. Axl also wanted Nirvana as an opening act, so clearly they didn't think that Seattle sucked.)

"As for grunge, it wasn't original. Punk music, overamplified, and all crying about how bad life is."

Sounds like someone who's never listened to grunge in his life.

"It seems like you wan't to make them out to be a one trick pony like Nirvana."

Nirvana weren't a one-trick pony. Honestly, I actually LIKE Guns N Roses, but some people here have massively overrated them.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.22.10 @ 15:56pm

GN'R should definitely be in. They are one of the best bands to come out of well..ever. If not for their music, they should still be inducted for the awesome concerts they have. They give the most entertaining concerts. I was lucky enough to have a friend that had some front row tickets. i went with him and we caught the drummers towel. kick ass

Posted by DDD on Monday, 08.23.10 @ 07:43am