Depeche Mode

Not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Eligible since: 2006 (The 2007 Induction Ceremony)

Nominated in: 2017   

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Inducted into Rock Hall Revisited in 2007 (ranked #107) .


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Will Depeche Mode be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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Undeniably influential, but probably lacking the political connections, even today, to be recognized by the industry.

Posted by Ontario Emperor on Monday, 10.2.06 @ 00:35am


please tell me who they influenced

Posted by curt on Sunday, 12.10.06 @ 10:25am


Bands/Artists that have sited Depeche Mode as an influence:
Coldplay, Green Day, Deftones, The Killers, DJ Shadow, Gwen Stefani, Rammstein, Marilyn Manson, Linkin Park to name a few (now, whether you like these artists is a whole other story).
They are also often sited as having a large influence on techno with their heavy use of progressive sampling.

Posted by Bill on Monday, 12.18.06 @ 13:26pm


I had no idea they were eligible this year.......and somehow they didn't make the ballot? Seems like the '06/'07 induction season was just a way to:

1) Get The Boss's faves The Ronettes and Patti Smith into the Hall. It helps when your manager heads the committee.

2) Get that "pesky Van Halen induction" out of the way

3) Let rap make it's way inward.

Perhaps next year a lot of these recent overlooked artists will start appearing on the ballot.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 01.10.07 @ 05:13am


Depeche Mode is a highly overrated band. I got on a big DM kick about ten years ago and realized it was ultimately a dead end. I'd heard they were like the Pet Shop Boys, and they are, but only in terms of instrumentation.

If you like very depressing, whiny music, I suppose DM is a good band. But they don't deserve to be in the hall of fame.

Posted by Disco on Sunday, 01.14.07 @ 14:15pm


A Rock and Roll Hall of Fame without Depeche Mode is a joke. Electronic/Dance music would not exist as it is today without the influence of Depeche Mode and New Order.

Posted by Martin on Tuesday, 01.16.07 @ 12:43pm


To say that Depeche Mode is a crappy band is just plain ignorance seeing how they not only influenced most bands, but revoloutionized music. Like Martin said the two leaders of the new wave movement were Depeche Mode and New Order, and if that's not rock then your crazy. oh yeah plus they were able to make two cd's for all the singles they made....that has to be some sort of record. sorry but if there gonna put U2 in the hall of fame (whos just as good as Depeche Mode) and grand master flash(who sucks)and not have Depeche Mode....then they might as well discard the whole idea of it.

Posted by Stanley Beaverhousen on Friday, 01.26.07 @ 16:04pm


Highly influential to the synthpop, goth and industrial crowd.

Was able to transcend the 80's and their contemporaries by changing their image and musical identity.

With U2 and very few others, can tour the world regardless of the quality of new material.

Also, for being around 26 years, their new songs are still played on alternative rock radio stations with bands decades younger.

Not really a critical favorite, and not really a mainstream band, but the fans are still there and the hits still sound great.

I just can't enough, so I say yes.

Posted by Matt on Wednesday, 01.31.07 @ 20:17pm


Without question, yes. They were/are a huge influence, they changed alternative/rock music, they are still popular, they are good, talented, and even have the typical rock n roll story to boot. They are still together making music that is good, and if REM made it(who does deserve it), then so should Depeche Mode. Let's see in another year or so, after another album and another tour for another 800k people and maybe then? They should be in next year, but they aren't the only deserving that aren't in yet, so I wonder how long it will be. DM goes eventually for sure.

Posted by Fred on Friday, 02.9.07 @ 11:05am


Too many people still think of DM as the teeny group singing "Just Can't Get Enough". The "metal head" crowd still shouts, "but they don't use guitars!".

The fact is, the band has progressed significantly since 1981, and they have used guitars in some form since 1986. The reason they are not mainstream is the very reason they still have a huge fanbase; they don't follow trends, yet they are very good at whatever they do.

For anyone to say that they haven't influenced anybody else is just obvious ignorance.

Depeche Mode still flies under the rader, incredibly, despite being the most successful electronic group in history. They should be in, period.

Posted by Marc on Saturday, 02.10.07 @ 14:36pm


Depeche Mode is probable the greatest band to come out of the eighties. They have influence bands from The Smashing Pumpkins, to Marilyn Manson to Tori Amos. Enough said.

Posted by Dave75 on Saturday, 02.10.07 @ 21:42pm


I understand that there are a lot of groups that sometimes get overlooked or passed by.... But the true pioneers of electronic and synthesizer music is KRAFTWERK. Yes!!! Way before Depeche Mode, Gary Numan, Human League and Talking Heads. There was KRAFTWERK!!! Now they belong in the Hall before those others. Listen to the albums TRANS-EUROPE EXPRESS and COMPUTER WORLD. Those artist mentioned above where greatly influenced by KRAFTWERK. Brian Eno and David Bowie where influence by them also.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Monday, 02.12.07 @ 13:43pm


Dude, you seem to forget that Depeche Mode is still around, and have been around since early eighties!

Posted by Stanley Beaverhousen on Friday, 02.16.07 @ 17:08pm


Innovation and Influence !!! If the Rock Hall was based on just longevity, then a lot of artist would get inducted. People are people.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Saturday, 02.17.07 @ 13:04pm


These guys pretty much own the classic 80s synth sound. What would be the modern musical world without DM? Different, for sure.

Posted by Thomas on Tuesday, 02.27.07 @ 07:06am


Same thing with The Cure...both have done a lot of major things to music and should be placed in the hall of fame.

Posted by maplejet on Tuesday, 02.27.07 @ 11:14am


Depeche Mode definetly must be part of the Rock & Roll hall of fame. they are one of the few 80s bands that still play, amongst U2, REM, Bon Jovi, Aerosmith ... A history of almost 30 years of electronic and techno hits!

DEPECHE MODE RULLEZ!!!

Posted by Stefan Alex Christian on Saturday, 03.31.07 @ 03:26am


You know how Percy Sledge got in for When A Man Loves A Woman? (I don't know anything else Sledge ever did, but that song was enough for my judging to get him in.)

If the Rock Hall considered Personal Jesus in the same vein, Depeche Mode would get in on that alone. Luckily though, their pioneering of electronica gives them much more content to be judged on.

Shoo. Get in, Depeche Mode.

Posted by Moni3 on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 20:31pm


Wow, it looks like this has engendered some discussion.

One thing that hasn't been cited above is their impact on the business of recording itself. I don't know if any band before them was responsible for as many mixes and remixes as Depeche Mode.

Joe-Skee has a point above, however. I'd gladly delay Depeche Mode's induction for a year or two, if it meant that Kraftwerk would get the recognition that they deserve. Without Kraftwerk, there's no Depeche Mode, no New Order, and a very different Donna Summer.

Posted by Ontario Emperor on Thursday, 05.17.07 @ 18:24pm


Well said !!! Thanks Ontario!!!

Posted by Joe-Skee on Friday, 05.18.07 @ 13:57pm


I definitely believe they belong in the hall of fame

My personal appreciation of the band aside, as mentioned before they have been hugely influential. I can't think of another band since the Beatles that has been more influential on modern music.

Sure, Kraftwerk are the true pioneers of synth-music, but Depeche Mode was one of the first bands to take what Kraftwerk did technically, and translate it into music that appealed to more than just geeks.

Depeche Mode had as of 2006 sold more than 91 million records (56 million albums / 35 million singles) worldwide and have had forty-four songs in the UK Singles Chart.

I would love to see Kraftwerk in th ehall of fame, but Depeche Mode is definitely deserving as well.

Posted by mattlach on Tuesday, 05.29.07 @ 10:10am


To say that no other band has been more influential on modern music since the Beatles than Depeche Mode is totally false. I can say for sure that Kraftwerk is one of the most influencial band in music history with their innovative electronic sound. Practically all synthpop bands from New Order to OMD have said that Kraftwerk has been an influence.

Depeche Mode is the most popular sytnpop band in history, but I would say that New Order is more innovative and is probably also more influencial. If *rock* is the criteria, than New Order surely can rock as much as it can sample because the band has been playing the guitar, bass and drums since day one.

So does Depeche Mode deserve to be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame? Yes, definitely for being THE synthpop band, but only after Kraftwerk and New Order.

Posted by Canuck21 on Wednesday, 07.25.07 @ 21:59pm


What the hell depeche mode should have been inductded the minute they were on the ballet they were one of the greatest bands of the 80's and whoever doesn't believe me see for yourself. They are influencial, they are rock, and they are a band! Are they going unnoticed? WTF?

Posted by Stephanie on Sunday, 08.12.07 @ 16:07pm


Recognise that DM switched from synth-only band into rock, with all the bits and pieces attached ? Still retaining a huge fan base, having their tunes remixed for nightclubs.
Enough efforts to deserve their share in pop music history. Name other bands that can match all that ? I have personally painted my t-shirts to wear at their devotional tour..but they are not on sale !!!

Posted by jaffa.it.68 on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 04:28am


YES! DM should be part of the ROCK and ROLL HALL of FAME. Ater so many freakin' years, they REALLY deserve it! EAch Album that they put out they always had a hit song!Tours were a hit as well.

Posted by Cynthia on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 12:18pm


For those who doubt, there were probably more doubt-ers when tickets when on sale for the Pasadena Bowl concert. They were the first electronic band to sell out a stadium that big for an electronic show in the USA.

And we must not forget the riot that took place in 1990 in L.A. Has there been such a thing since then?

Depeche Mode: Hall of Famers

Posted by DeVo on Tuesday, 10.2.07 @ 09:46am


No hall of FAME without DEPECHE MODE they are like the Beatles. Even greater.
Depeche Mode: Hall of Famers

Posted by ioan pascut on Tuesday, 10.9.07 @ 10:26am


What to say, keep on being what you are!! Reach out and touch faith!

Posted by secreet on Sunday, 10.21.07 @ 15:12pm


not only have they influenced at least three generations of Rock music, a wide variety of genres - synth-pop, industrial, goth-rock, techno, electronic body music, alternative, house, indie-electro, electroclash, ambient, french disco, and nu-metal - they continue to do so, and are still capable of putting out amazing pop songs.

http://90shardrock.blogspot.com/

Posted by 90shardrock on Wednesday, 10.24.07 @ 13:19pm


Wow, I can't believe this is even an argument. Were talking about a band that revolutionized music, and still influences musicians today! Not only that look at there playing the angel tour, it did outstanding.

They are truly something of a legend. Yeah New Order and Kraftwork were good to, but they're not around anymore, they didn't do nearly as well, and they didn't influence nearly as many, as the great Depeche Mode.

To say that kraftwork made the synth sound before Depeche Mode, therefore not being inducted is like saying David Bowie shouldn't either, It's true but no one cares.

p.s.
The Talking Heads were inducted......yet Depeche Mode hasn't been, come on now.

Posted by Stanley Beaverhousen on Thursday, 12.20.07 @ 23:33pm


I think that Vince Clarke has a better chance to be inducted than DM.

Posted by Rev'd Chris on Friday, 12.21.07 @ 08:04am


very influential, but look who've they influenced, a bunch of 'non' crap, musicians who no longer wanna play their instruments and rely on computers and technology to do the job, blurring the line between musician and any douchebag with any program you can buy at Best Buy.

Posted by Rob on Thursday, 12.27.07 @ 04:01am


I wouldn't mind Depeche Mode waiting around for a while, to be honest. I'd say New Order should get in first, what with them being the two pioneers of 80s electronica, as I think that NO's influence (across the entire board - not just in America) is bigger than that of DM.

Oh yeah; New Order has aged far better than Depeche Mode, and NO's newer material is better than DM's newer material.

Posted by liam on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 14:29pm


Liam,

Tell me if I am wrong, but isn't New Order the remnants of Joy Division or continuation, so to speak? And if so, is it your opinion that they both should be in?

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 15:14pm


Oh Lordy Dameon, don't tell me you've managed to miss one of Liam's weekly dissertations on the legacy of Joy Division!

Yes, you are correct - Joy Division was the mother of New Order. After JD's lead singer Ian Curtis commited suicide in 1980, the other members continued on as New Order.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 15:31pm


New Order is the remaining members of Joy Division after Ian Curtis committed suicide (and subsequently ended Joy Division). They gained and dropped a few memebers over the years, aswell.

I would hate Joy Division and New Order to just get casually dumped as the same thing, because they really aren't. They've both innovated,; they've both influenced and the two share little musically.

I believe they both deserve separate inductions, and would hope that it does happen.

Posted by liam on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 15:32pm


Shawn,

Liam has in fact lectured me on the importance of Joy Division. And I am glad to see that all my memory cells are not completely dead.

IMO, Joy Division has zero chance of induction. Although a full library is not required for induction (Sex Pistols), I don't think J.D. had any one album that changed or is perceived to have changed a scene. I like them, but not nearly as much as Liam. As for New Order, I think there is a chance for them, but it will not happen in this decade.

For the record, when I say 'change a scene', I mean to a point where it is publicly acknowledged.

I have a question for those who actually see EMO as a scene or genre. Would not the Beatles be an EMO band when you consider songs like "I'm A Loser", "Hide Your Love Away", "Not A Second Time" and "Yesterday"?

From what I understand, there have actually been different stages of EMO starting with the DC Hardcore scene but then somehow veering off into another direction.

I am not being sarcastic in my question, just trying to understand a scene that I was not a part of. I knew the music, but not the scene.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 16:30pm


"I don't think J.D. had any one album that changed or is perceived to have changed a scene."

Joy Division's two album's are probably the most significant post-punk albums, along with The Cure's "Disintegration", Gang Of Four's "Entertainemnt!". There's also a few others that I cannot remember. Joy Division prctically invented "Gothic" music along with Siouxie & the Banshees.

Posted by liam on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 16:51pm


"For the record, when I say 'change a scene', I mean to a point where it is publicly acknowledged."

TBH, I don't think post-punk was ever given alot of publicity.

Posted by liam on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 16:56pm


TBH, I don't think post-punk was ever given alot of publicity.

I think this may be the key statement regarding these bands and the HoF. You make a valid comment regarding the releases of J.D., and the Cure. I was at the Gang of 4's supposed last show at the Ritz way back when. They couldn't even sell that venue out. And I doubt they will ever be inducted. The Cure managed to get themselves into the thought process of the main stream audience where J.D. did not. And no matter what we say about what should and shouldn't be the criteria, I do think public awareness does carry some weight. And I don't think they have that in their favor. Is that fair? Probably not, but it is the game. And this leads me to my comment which I have made many times; the setting up of named sub-genres in Rock and Roll has not always been a good thing.

I am interested in what you think of my bizarre commentary regarding the Beatles and some of these early whiny songs.

And look Liam, we can actually have dialogue without me wanting to put my fist through something ;-)

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 17:11pm


"The Cure managed to get themselves into the thought process of the main stream audience where J.D. did not."

Yeah, I'd say that the Cure deserves in before Joy Division, even if in an ideal world the two are already in. The Cure stand a chance, as they were the only post-punk group to attain commercial success (for instance - Love Song peaked at #2 in the mainstream US charts!).

That's not to say I'd be content with the Hall trying to fob us off with inducting The Cure and no one else.

Posted by liam on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 17:24pm


"And no matter what we say about what should and shouldn't be the criteria, I do think public awareness does carry some weight."

Of course it does, and so long as this is a POPULIST creation (ie a Hall of FAME), it will be.

But, as William has said before; we're still allowed to bitch about it!

Posted by liam on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 17:27pm


"The Cure stand a chance, as they were the only post-punk group to attain commercial success"

That's forgetting: REM; who went mainstream and lost alot of their post-punk-eyness and U2; who were an arena post-punk group, and whoa ren't regarded (by most) as a REAL postpunk group.

See ya!

Posted by liam on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 17:29pm


The key with U2 is that they actually rode in on the coattails of punk/new wave with Boy. "I Will Follow" was gigantic in the clubs in NYC. This led to Boy doing reasonably well on the charts. In fact, with the release of October, U2 almost fell by the wayside because bigger things were expected of them. As for The Cure, if my memory holds true, the track "Let's Go To Bed" received serious airtime on MTV which pushed them ahead of the crowd. And obviously with "Radio Free Europe", REM jumped into the drivers seat right away. And I believe IRS threw all their weight behind them without being all too obvious.

IMO, these bands were never really part of the indie/underground/alternative scene. It is my belief that their record labels knew exactly what they were doing with all three bands and in the end, it was all good marketing coupled with very good Rock and Roll bands. And all three bands capitalized on it. And as far as I can see and hear, The Cure needs to join the other two and be inducted very soon if the Hall wants to have any level of creditability.

As for this post-punk scene, a lot of bands fall into it. You had the New Romantics Scene (Adam Ant, Spandau B, Yaz, etc.) For awhile, The Thompson Twins were considered the biggest thing in the Alternative scene. Even Madonna emerged out of the NYC Village scene after Punk started its death roll. Kids were dancing again because of Punk/New Wave and she brought it to another level. You also had the reemergence of Hard Rock which turned into the Hair Metal Scene. This is why I argue as I do for Def Leppard. Although AC/DC reawakened everyone to Hard Rock in 1980, and we suffered thorugh that horrible Quiet Riot year, it was Pyromania that turned out to be a defining album in the post-punk era, like it or not. And this was long before anyone found "Aquanet". Except for Dale Bozio of course.

The Post-punk scene was extremely varied and I think bands like J.D. just got lost in the shuffle. And when they crashed, they kind of got shoved to the side by everyone except their fans. Thankfully New Order emerged and hopefully they will be recognized one day.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 01.4.08 @ 19:08pm


"You had the New Romantics Scene (Adam Ant, Spandau B, Yaz, etc.)"

I really wouldn't dump new-romantic and post-punk together. At all. At. All.

Just try listening to "Rio" by Duran Duran, and then "Unknown Pleasures" by Joy Division. Hardly any similarity.

As for new-romantic, I'd be happy if only Duran Duran and Depeche Mode were inducted, and I wouldn't be surprised if only they were inducted.

"The Post-punk scene was extremely varied and I think bands like J.D. just got lost in the shuffle."

Not really. Joy Division were one of the first ever gothic groups, and many groups built on this. I guess you could say that thy weren't regarded much by the public, but their albums are still hailed, critically.

Posted by liam on Saturday, 01.5.08 @ 09:01am


Liam, you are missing my point. When I say Post-Punk, I am talking about everything that followed the Clash's 2nd album and then the onslaught of bands that hit the scene after London Calling. So many different things happened between 78-83. And groups like Joy Division got lost in the shuffle. I am not saying that Duran Duran are anything like J.D.

You are a fan of Joy Division and I understand - but they are not getting in. They could have been the first whatever, but I don't believe "Post-Punk" is considered much of a genre. And I think that is the main reason they will be overlooked.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 01.5.08 @ 11:21am


".. but I don't believe "Post-Punk" is considered much of a genre. And I think that is the main reason (Joy Division)will be overlooked." -dameon

Yikes, D! This is a really ignorant statement; sure you don't want to do some homework, come back and retract?

Posted by shawn on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 11:00am


Yeah, I failed to notice that before.

Pretty dumb, I've got to say.

Posted by liam on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 11:15am


Look guys - I live in NYC and this is where my thoughts are conceived. There never was a real "Post-Punk Genre" scene here in the way that you guys explain it to be. (I lived on 13th Street and Avenue A., just in case you want to google my neighborhood and see how close I actually was to everything.) I am not saying that it did not exist in this name form, but it certainly did not carry much weight as a genre. All the bands that you name are known, but it was not like they were a thing unto themselves, as say Punk, Metal, Hardcore (Straight Edge), Rap, etc. D.M., The Cure, the Smiths, New Order, REM were part of the Alternative Scene which flourished in the Village clubs and Long Island where WLIR broadcasted from. In fact, most of these bands at the time were still being labeled "New Wave". But then Culture Club, The Thompson Twins, Tom Tom Club, Psch Furs, Lords of the New Church, etc. were all considered to be part of the same movement. Even the Knack was labeled in with the rest of them. I am not fighting you and saying that this Post-Punk scene did not exist, but I am saying that it doesn't carry as much weight as you might think it does when it comes to a place like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Also, the truth is that 1983 also saw the re-emergence of Hard Rock in a big way. There were a lot of bands of all genres that made some hay in this time period and that is why I think a band like Joy Division will get lost when it comes to the HoF no matter what genre they belong to. If the Hall does not recognize The Replacements or Television, what makes you think they would acknowledge Joy Division. This is in no way an indictment on these bands, their abilities or the songs that Liam loves. It is just a fact of life.

FYI - The Cult is listed by some to be a Post-Punk band and by some to be a Hard Rock Arena band. There was crossover for some, I guess, I am telling everyone now - if we keep attaching sub-sub genres to Rock and Roll, we are going to lose Rock and Roll altogether.

And Shawn, I never make an ignorant statement. Whether you want to hear them or not is another issue. I make truthful statements based on what I saw, heard and experienced. I did not read about it or experience it on some campus. So, just perhaps we see things a little differently.

And Liam, come up with an idea on your own and stop bandwagoning Shawn. You are the biggest protector of the Post-Punk Scene and you definitely knew exactly what I was saying, but now that Shawn has made a statement, you decided to quickly follow up.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 12:00pm


"Look guys - I live in NYC and this is where my thoughts are conceived. There never was a real "Post-Punk Genre" scene here in the way that you guys explain it to be." - dameon

So you have an admitedly narrow "urban NYC" frame of reference or something - I can't tell how this really matters? Goody for you.

You aren't actually saying that makes your goofy statement:
"I don't believe "Post-Punk" is considered much of a genre."
less ignorant, or that we should not call you out on it, are you?


("I lived on 13th Street and Avenue A., just in case you want to google my neighborhood and see how close I actually was to everything.)" -d

For someone whose scope is so limited you sure are mighty proud of the wild and crazy music "scene" you keep bragging on about, dameon.



"I am not saying that (post-punk) did not exist in this name form, but it certainly did not carry much weight as a genre." -dameon

Dude..... just stop talking. Right now. Cut your losses. Be quiet.
Ugh.


"And Shawn, I never make an ignorant statement." -the great sgae dameon

HAHAHAHA! Do you understand how fundamentally Ignorant that very statement itself is, dude?!!
Whoa! We've all said ignorant things in our lives. That's just appallingly stupid.

"And Liam...now that Shawn has made a statement, you decided to quickly follow up."

He agreed with me -- this is an open, continuous forum -- he's supposed to contribute when the mood strikes him -- that's how this whole thing works, dummy.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 14:48pm


No comment. I won't be baited into one of your drag em' out dialogues. Go look for Anon to do that.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 16:38pm


Well fine Dameon; whatever.

If you have nothing to fight with, it is probably wise to lay down and feign apathy. I'll buy it.

So just let me make sure I get this straight: if you are comfortable with your ignorance (in this case over Post-punk), then you feel OK about flaunting it? Hmmm. Is this like mental streaking? Like for us normal folks, we generally try to avoid public nudity, but you ---

Well, since your exposure there in New York City to music was so limited, allow me to give you the gift of enlightenment, my head bangin' friend:
Post-punk IS a very key genre, because it laid out the plans for the whole "alternative" genre that exploded in the 80's, and it served as the mighty bridge between that "indie" world and the Punk genre that began in the mid-70's by expanding on punk, experimenting and evolving punk into something more than it was up to then. It is extremely significant historically. I am sorry you missed that as it was going on around you.

In addition to that, these artists might want to beat you with a balled up Hysteria concert T for dismissing their genre as "not carrying much weight":
- The Cure, Husker Du, Talking Heads, Blondie, The Psychedelic Furs, Gang of Four, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Joy Division/New Order, Depeche Mode, Echo & the Bunnymen, Magazine, Public Image Limited, The Fall, Television, Peter Ubu, Mission of Burma, The Church, U2, Sonic Youth, The Alarm, Big Black, Wire, XTC, The The, Pulp, R.E.M., Devo, Concrete Blonde, and even Eurythmics and Human League in their first outings.

I also cannot let this gem go, Dameon:
"- if we keep attaching sub-sub genres to Rock and Roll, we are going to lose Rock and Roll altogether."

Derrrrrr ---- WHAT?

Posted by shawn on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 20:59pm


I also cannot let this gem go, Dameon:
"- if we keep attaching sub-sub genres to Rock and Roll, we are going to lose Rock and Roll altogether."

Derrrrrr ---- WHAT?

My point of this which I am sure you know is that we have attached all these titles to music that we sometimes forget that it is just RnR music. A little simple, but all you have to do is look at some of the comments on some of these boards to understand what I mean. And you are way too smart not to understand. IMO, the last 10 years have been the weakest in RnR history.

As for everything else; you don't contradict one of the points I made. All you do is attack me without reading what I actually said. That is fine. I gave you my opinion based on how I see things. If this is not acceptable to you, then that is just not my problem. I didn't say the music didn't carry any weight, I said the title of the sub-genre didn't. If you have read any of my posts, then you would know that I am a very big fan of The Cure, The Church, The Replacements, Echo and the Bunnymen, etc. I was going to see these bands while you were still in grade school in Phoenix or wherever it is you come from. But you are stuck on D.L. Just get over it; as long as the music gets me, I am cool with it and I don't care what genre it falls under. In fact, I am not the one with the limited view of music, you are. Now go fight with someone else because I don't have the time.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 21:52pm


"I didn't say the music didn't carry any weight, I said the title of the sub-genre didn't." -dameon

Wha????? Blah-blah-dee-dah. Next time just keep your yap shut then, Dameon... my God. Have something valid and substantive to contribute and back it up or go home already. Cripes, what silly talk, man.

You said: "..but I am saying that (post-punk) doesn't carry as much weight as you might think it does when it comes to a place like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame."
and:
"I am not saying that (post-punk) did not exist in this name form, but it certainly did not carry much weight as a genre."

You absolutely were discounting the importance of the music of post-punk. You then told us this may have been due to your limited exposure. Then you fell back on your old "I've benn seeing so-and-so at NY clubs since the days of CBGB" shtick.

The problem with your outlook is the same one as all the rest of the dirty commoners out there in rock-&-roll land: only what falls within what you consider "well known" matters to you; what lies beyond those personal borders is obscure and/or crap, and doesn't count.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 23:49pm


"All you do is attack me without reading what I actually said." -dameon

Wrong, Zippy. Wrong-O. I read every word you wrote and comprehended it all. I read that post-punk doesn't amount to much where the Rock Hall is considered. Yup, you said it.

"In fact, I am not the one with the limited view of music, you are." -D

Huh? I'm not the one who says Joy Division doesn't belong because post-punk is not that significant, Ratt fan. Again: huh?

"Now go fight with someone else because I don't have the time." -D

Oh you'll make the time, little mister. Don't you sass me.


Posted by shawn on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 23:56pm


This is what I said little boy. You like to edit/copy/paste - me too. Let's see, I said:

There were a lot of bands of all genres that made some hay in this time period and that is why I think a band like Joy Division will get lost when it comes to the HoF no matter what genre they belong to.

I also said -

I am not fighting you and saying that this Post-Punk scene did not exist, but I am saying that it doesn't carry as much weight as you might think it does when it comes to a place like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Show me where the idiots at the HoF have proven this statement wrong. Is the Cure in? No and they should have been voted in their first year.

If the Hall does not recognize The Replacements or Television, what makes you think they would acknowledge Joy Division. This is in no way an indictment on these bands, their abilities or the songs

Where do you see me being critical towards the music?

So you have an admitedly narrow "urban NYC" frame of reference or something - I can't tell how this really matters? Goody for you.

I at least have experienced life. I didn't have to learn it from some library book or College Quad in Podunk, USA.

Oh you'll make the time, little mister. Don't you sass me.

Sass you - Boy, you would need to be standing in front of me for that to happen. I am trying to remember what it was you said to Anon a couple of weeks ago. Something about if you were standing in the same room with him and a chair. I wouldn't need a chair.



Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.8.08 @ 06:22am


"..but I am saying that it doesn't carry as much weight as you might think it does when it comes to a place like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Show me where the idiots at the HoF have proven this statement wrong. Is the Cure in? No and they should have been voted in their first year."
- fake big spandex tough "you should have seen me in my day" guy Dameon

What does the Rock Hall's failure to induct anybody have to do with your ignorant view that post-punk is not a historically significant genre?

Survey says........:
Nothing.
An adult should be able to support the things he declares with a cogent argument; not throw a fit and get pissy when that erroneous view is simply challenged.

Bottom line is: you said something wrong and ignorant. Dance around it all you want.
Way to go. You are sorta similar to this other guy we used to see. Aye - this is tedious and a waste of time.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 01.8.08 @ 07:56am


Face it, Dameon - Post-punk is certainly important, arguably the most important in the 1980's, even. Definitely more so than that shitty hair metal.

The way you talk about how the Hall recognises (or, more precisely, doesn't recognise) a certain genre, it makes me think that you actually giv any weight AT ALL to Jan Wenner and his musical knowledge.

Posted by liam on Wednesday, 01.9.08 @ 07:57am


By the way Dameon:
"I at least have experienced life. I didn't have to learn it from some library book or College Quad in Podunk, USA." - D

What the hell???? That's it; you are officially stupid.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 01.9.08 @ 08:42am


This is supposed to be about Depeche Mode.
Joy Division, New Order, The Smiths, The Cure all should be in Hall of Fame, but by popularity, influence, and both album and ticket sales, Depeche Mode clearly tops all of them in these catagories. The other New Wave/New Romantic, Post punk music has it's place, but DM has done it from pop songs in the early 80's to dark wave, to industrial, to alternative rock and has influenced many artists in the trance, techno, new wave, alternative rock, and beyond genres. Who would sell more tickets right now (today) with no release of a new record between, New Order, The Cure, The Smiths, REM (WHO'S IN THE HOF), and I won't even include some of the others, EVEN Duran Duran. TODAY - Depeche Mode. They better get in, it's been documented that many of today artists themselves love and respect what Depeche Mode has done. Bands like Linkin Park, Funeral For A Friend, to artists like Franz, the Killers, Bravery, Coldplay, and the Cure, New Order themselves. etc etc etc, this list goes on forever there's a ton. From hard rock, to new alternative to pop artists. The artists themselves should know as much as anyone who's accomplished and who isn't. Give me a break on this arguement, Depeche Mode should be in regardless of whether the other bands get there. Here's the order in whcih I think they should be inducted based on everything:
Depeche Mode
New Order / Joy Division
The Smiths
The Cure
Duran Duran
Echo (? not even sure)
Television, The Church, Souixie, The Birthday Party, Bauhaus, etc etc etc etc, whatever) If it was my HALL OF FAME, then YES, they all should be, but some of the ultimate crap they induct now, tells me that at least the staple (alternative, new wave, post punk, whatever) bands/artists should be in and to REM make it before some of the others is questionable, not that they don't deserve it. There is plenty of crap inducted already to prove it doesn't matter who is "good" and who isn't, it's all about who the "board" likes. Who they like, respoect, feel deserves the honor. Tghe more underground, very influencial artists in these genres all do havge there place, but at least DM could represent 4 or 5 catagories in there for some of those people. It would be like them saying, we don't like good music all around, but here's a staple inductee for all of you who know more than everyday music, because we don't. I think one more record and tour this year or next, should reaffirm for the 4th or 5th time that these guys deserve it and justify again DM's position in the HOF.

Posted by freddy on Friday, 02.15.08 @ 10:33am


"Joy Division, New Order, The Smiths, The Cure all should be in Hall of Fame, but by popularity, influence, and both album and ticket sales,"

Unless you're using all those criteria collectively, I actually think that Joy Division, New Order, The Smiths and The Cure have way more influence than DM. I'm not a detractor (complete opposite infact), btw.

"Who would sell more tickets right now (today) with no release of a new record between, New Order, The Cure, The Smiths, REM (WHO'S IN THE HOF), and I won't even include some of the others, EVEN Duran Duran. TODAY - Depeche Mode."

Well, New Order, The Cure, R.E.M. and Duran Duran Duran are all still going, except for maybe New Order who are going through a legal battle, for start. If The Smiths got back together, I'd imagine the sales would sky-rocket.

Anyway, I'd probably guess that R.E.M. would top DM in terms of ticket sales.

"I think one more record and tour this year or next, should reaffirm for the 4th or 5th time that these guys deserve it and justify again DM's position in the HOF."

Well, yeah, but Playing The Angel hardly leads me to think that it'll be as good as their early work. Here's how I see some of the artists you listed (aside from R.E.M., who are already in) in terms of desrving the Hall:

1. Joy Division
2. The Smiths
3. The Cure
4. New Order
5. Depeche Mode
6. Echo & The Bunnymen

...and no, I'm not forgetting Duran Duran. Their new record sucks.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 02.15.08 @ 11:45am


AS far as ticket sales go, I guess it depends also what side of "the pond" you're on. Depeche Mode was more mainstream in the U.S.than the other groups mentioned...which I'm finding more & more to be a shame.

Posted by Terry on Friday, 02.15.08 @ 12:10pm


Nah, I definitely think R.E.M. would out do Depeche Mode in a ticket sales concert in the US. But it doesn't matter, since the former turned to crap ages ago and the latter has found its comfort zone in music and doesn't seem to wanna leave.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 02.15.08 @ 12:17pm


See: The Police thread.

New Order really is where it's at.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.16.08 @ 08:44am


New Order is definately one of the best ever and Joy Division was amazing but individually, I think DM is more accomplished. One of the problems is that the r'n'r hof would probably have them go in seperately. They DO deserve it - no question and I mean both. My issue with the Smiths was longevity, plus that Morrissey's solo career has outlasted the Smiths as a whole if Im not mistaken, and again, since Morrissey and the Smiths would also have to go in seperately, DM more accomplished. The Cure, I think is more about what was mentioned above by someone else regarding DM, their more recent work and recent career is clearly not anywhere near the quality of the older work. Even if Depeche Mode's Playing the Angel wasn't "good" in some's opinion, it still has sold well, and even gets new alternative (new rock) radio airplay unlike most of the other alternative monster bands. It is also liked by some who only listen to newer music, who have recently become fans, not to mention it definately was better quality compared to some of the other's recent efforts. Many who actually thought of DM to be washed up or even didn't realize they still were around at all now really know of them again, or consider them to actually be current, someone who still makes music, and likes them. I actually think that like it or not, Playing the Angel was possibly the catalyst to put them in the HOF because of this success and popularity after years of mediocrity, a comeback of sorts. I for one personally like all of their stuff, but understand that they did sort of "dissappear" for a while. REM is a completely different story, I debate how they are in before any of the artists listed above. They also have lacked quality since the 90's with anything new. Echo, is a long shot, even though I do think they were great and Ian McCulloch had some quality solo stuff in the late 80's and 90's. Duran Duran should be in just because they revolutionized the MTV video world, plus they have produced multiple world known hits and have been very successful as a whole (ticket and record sales), but still not before the artists listed above. Today's Duran Duran, also is definately not up to par even with this conversation, it's pretty bad. They have actually lacked anything good for years. I think they deserve it at some point though because of their other accomplishments. I could throw 2-3 artists just as deserving as them, especially sticking to the "alternative, New Wave, post punk, etc" scene. I was mearly mentioning the most successful artists overall. Billy Idol - Generation X?, Kraftwork, The Cars, I think we could go on forever and I also believe that some of them WILL eventually get in. I was merely defending that regardless of all of these posts and everyone listed above with many valid points and much musical knowledge - Depeche Mode DOES deserve atleast at some level, to be inducted into the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by freddy on Thursday, 02.21.08 @ 12:30pm


Depeche Mode will eventually be inducted, they just have to wait in line, The Smiths, The Cure, Duran Duran, Violent Femmes will all get in before them. Whats so unique about Depeche Mode is that they have such a distinctive sound. You know its its them the minute you hear a few notes of a song. They have a very strong fan base, they will make it, its just a waiting game really.

Posted by JasonP on Thursday, 02.28.08 @ 08:11am


Seriously, I'd wager that at least 1/2 of all DM fans would find in favour of New Order is they were actually bothered to look beyond the stuff that MTV decided it would cram down people's throats in the 80s.

DM have about 3 albums that I'd call "essential", whereas New Order have between 5 and 7 (the two being "Substance" and "Get Ready").

And plus, New Order weren't new-romantic crap....

Posted by Liam on Monday, 03.3.08 @ 14:15pm


I've listened to all their stuff. IMO, not worthy of inclusion.

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 03.17.08 @ 12:39pm


An impoverished man's New Order.

I especially like Robert Christgau's comments on "Violator":

"Fearing the loss of their silly grip on America's angst-ridden teens, who they're old enough to know are a fickle lot, they forge on toward the rap market by rhyming "drug" and "thug." And for the U.K.'s ecstasy-riding teens, who God knows are even more fickle, there's the techno-perfect synth/guitar sigh/moan that punctuates the easily rescinded "Policy of Truth.""

Go pick up ANY of New Order's studio albums (they're all great, but the first four/five specifically. I recommend Low-Life) and a New Order Best Of (for the HITS, ofcourse).

Posted by Liam on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 13:37pm


Liam, I agree with you quite a bit usually, but while New Order is a superior act in every respect except commercial success, there's no need to ignore the importance of Depeche Mode as well or smear their fans. I'm sure PLENTY of them are aware of New Order's pleasantries and have had epiphanies while listening to "Temptation" or "Age Of Consent"...both are long overdue for the Hall. Perhaps next year they will be enshrined and we'll both get free tickets to the "Ceremony", dress up in black, and make-out with all of the pale chicks.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 00:58am


Hi Casper, haven't seen you in a while!

I do agree that Depeche Mode DOES deserve enshrinement, and I sounded more harsh than I wanted to sound. I do really like some of DM's work, just I don't think it's nearly as good as Joy Division Mark II. I suppose part of my rant was the way that I hardly ever see the superior group get the bigger sales.

But I've always found that the music of Cocteau Twins is a better musical aphrodisiac than that of New Order and Depeche Mode (no, I didn't get that from Pitchfork's "Milk and Kisses" review: it's jus common knowledge amongst Cocteaus fans!).

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 06:00am


I think Christgau's review is way off the mark, and you have to be the most ridiculously cynical person on the face of the earth (or be full of you know what) to actually believe that DM were trying to tap into the Rap market by rhyming two words in a song. I'm sure Martin Gore would be astonished to know that's what he was trying to do when he wrote "Sweetest Perfection". Seriously now...

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, yes DM are undeniably important to both dance and alternative music and do deserve to be in the HOF. Let's try to keep the focus on that please?

Posted by Jason G. on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 20:04pm


What makes DM "undeniably" important to dance and alternative? Yes, they have a fair number of followers, and deserve their place, but their importance (especially to industrial music) is, I've seen, often hugely overstated.

If they get in before Killing Joke and Fad Gadget (and they will), I may well get pissed off about it.

As for the "DM sell-out" implication from Christgau: I wouldn't put it past them, if I'm honest.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 02:02am


Liam, you strike me as being really disingenuous here.

First you go from saying that DM deserve "enshrinement" to then saying that they merely "deserve their place" (at the back of the line probably) and then questioning that they were "undeniably important" and then mitigating their influence. I don't think you can say that a band deserves "enshrinement" and then not know that they were undeniably important without resorting to the kind of nuance popular with polticians. Seriously Liam, what's your deal?

Then you also changed the subject on the Christgau review; he claimed that Martin Gore was trying to aim for the rap market by rhyming "drug" and "thug". Since that was ridiculous (and *you* know it), you then changed the subject to a more broader view of DM selling out in general (something which, again, is ridiculous and which is just another bunch of straws for DM detractors to grasp at). If DM ever sold out, then give a GOOD and VALID example of them doing so, not a BS one.

Posted by Jason G. on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 12:11pm


Nice try at semantics, but no. "Deserving enshriment" just means to say I think they deserve in. I don't think DM are at the back of the queue, but they sure don't come anywhere near to the front of it.

Again, I believe DM to be overstated as far as influence and innovation go. They are far, far less influential than, say, New Order, Kraftwerk and Brian Eno are to electronica, and I can't think of anything they innovated of the top of my head.

I never said or claimed that DM actually sold out, just that I wouldn't be shocked if they actually had. Do try again.

BTW, I'm not a detractor at all. I find DM to be typically unremarkable in the field of electronica, but I'd lean toward the "fan" side if forced to choose.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 12:48pm


Liam, Liam, Liam...you are stretching things to an unbelievable degree here. Don't accuse me of playing with semantics because you're the abuser here. You think that Depeche Mode should be in the the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame yet you think they are unremarkable and "I can't think of anything they innovated off the top of my head". This feels like a game of limbo...how low can you go?

And you base your view that you wouldn't be surprised that DM were capable of selling out on what...nothing?! And you still refuse to repudiate Christgau's claim that Martin Gore was aiming for the Rap market by rhyming "drug" and "thug". I'd think if you'd post that review in support of your position that you'd agree with it (personally I think it's a load of wank).

Posted by Jason G. on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 13:34pm


BTW, Liam. Do you agree with Christgau that Martin Gore was aiming for the Rap market by rhyming "drug" and "thug" in the song "Sweetest Perfection"? It's a yes or no question.

Posted by Jason G. on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 13:39pm


And, while we're at it, did DM ever sell out? Yes or no.

Posted by Jason G. on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 13:46pm


Oh, and since you tacitly agreed with Casper who said that there is no need to "deny their importance", I'd also like you to explain how they can be important while being unremarkable and never innovating anything. Indulge me.

Posted by Jason G. on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 13:49pm


You are playing at semantics. You're trying to point out some huge difference between saying "deserves enshriment" and "deserves a place," (and there really isn't, it was just different wording) and then trying to use this as some sort of lame excuse for an inconsistency in my argument. That's the very definition of semantics.

Thinking of them as unremarkable is simply my opinion and has no bearing on their innovation and influence (or my interpretations thereof).

So you've never forgotten anything in your life? Would you care to remind me what they innovated, exactly?

The reason I wasn't following up my suspicion that they sold-out is because I wasn't expecting anyone to make anything of it or follow it up. If you're as desperate as you appear to know why, it's that I just feel that their entire career was just a capitalisation on trends that were already growing/big.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 13:50pm


I don't know whether they intentionally sold-out, because I've never asked them. Why not ask your precious Dave Gahan yourself? But yeah, I do think that, with them, it was (and probably still is) sales that probably came first.

Like I said, "unremarkable" is my opinion of their music.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 13:54pm


Liam, face it, you're full of it. And you get upset when asked tough questions. This is actually kind of fun.

You're trying to maintain this untenable position of saying that DM deserve to be in the Rock and Roll HOF and "deserve enshrinement", yet at the same time saying they are unremarkable, "I can't think of anything they innovated off the top of my head" and "their entire career was just a capitalisation on trends that were already growing/big". Bands that are unremarkable, haven't innovated anything, and only capitalize on trends don't deserve to be in the HOF. So which is it Liam? I'm really enjoy watching you stretch ever so farther.

Oh, and it's really funny that you fall back on faulty memory for not remembering what Depeche Mode innovated. It's like when politicians say "I don't recall", which really means, "I'm full of (insert synonym for excrement here)". I'd think that if you are going to participate in this argument on the portion of this site DEDICATED TO DEPECHE MODE (caps for emphasis) that you'd have some confidence in your memory of their music. If not, then what are you doing here? If you don't even listen to Depeche Mode enough to have an interest in their music or a good memory of it, then what led you to this part of the site?

And you are PURPOSELY IGNORING my question to you on whether you agree with Christgau that Martin Gore was aiming for the Rap market by rhyming "drug" and "thug". It's very simple, Liam: answer yes or no. I WILL wring that answer from you, Liam.

And OH GOD you have me in stitches here with your last comment. You decline to answer whether or not they've sold out because you haven't had an opportunity to ask them, yet you conclude that they put sales first EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THEM WHETHER THEY PUT SALES FIRST. Liam, you are absolutely unbelievable.

Christ, your arguments have so many holes that they induce a length in my reply that could actually be detrimental to its effectiveness. Is this your idea of the kitchen sink? LOL!

Posted by Jason G. on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 14:40pm


"Bands that are unremarkable, haven't innovated anything, and only capitalize on trends don't deserve to be in the HOF. So which is it Liam? I'm really enjoy watching you stretch ever so farther."

First off, I am able to be objective, and it seems that you aren't. Even if I found a group to be unremarkable (my opinion), if I believed they fit the influence and innovation bill enough then I'd be fine with their induction.

Madonna fits that description perfectly. I find her music unremarkable, she innovated jack and her entire career was built around capitalising on trends. And you know what? I'm happy to let her in, because she perfectly fits the influence bill.

"Oh, and it's really funny that you fall back on faulty memory for not remembering what Depeche Mode innovated. It's like when politicians say "I don't recall", which really means, "I'm full of (insert synonym for excrement here)". I'd think that if you are going to participate in this argument on the portion of this site DEDICATED TO DEPECHE MODE (caps for emphasis) that you'd have some confidence in your memory of their music. If not, then what are you doing here? If you don't even listen to Depeche Mode enough to have an interest in their music or a good memory of it, then what led you to this part of the site?"

This isn't a fansite.

No, thinking back, DM didn't innovate anything musically, They came years about two or three too late to synth-pop to innovate there (beaten by Human league, Ultravox, Joy Division), and then missed the alt-dance boat by eight (New Order). So no one's allowed to forget anything ever then?

"And you are PURPOSELY IGNORING my question to you on whether you agree with Christgau that Martin Gore was aiming for the Rap market by rhyming "drug" and "thug". It's very simple, Liam: answer yes or no. I WILL wring that answer from you, Liam."

Talk about OTT. Ever think that I perhaps missed it? Yeah, the song does sound remarkably influenced by the rap-craze, actually.

The big issue is that I never actually said I agreed with Christgau on the matter, just that I enjoyed his thoughts on it, so your point is kind of moot.

That's one hell of a funny bone you've got.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 15:13pm


First off, I am able to be objective, and it seems that you aren't. - Liam

You are objective? Thank you so much for the giggle.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 15:44pm


OK, so you think (your opinion) that Depeche Mode are unremarkable. That's noted, although I disagree with it.

You also seem to be offering two criteria for an artist being in the HOF:

1. The artist is innovative
2. The artist is influential

Now, I think an artist should be BOTH to be in the HOF, but you think only one is sufficient. Am I correct in understanding you? However, I personally think it's very difficult (but not impossible) to be one without being the other.

Now, you also seem to think that DM should be in because they are #2. Am I correct? And your argument that DM are not innovative (#1) seems to rest on the following...

"They came years about two or three too late to synth-pop to innovate there (beaten by Human league, Ultravox, Joy Division)"

OK, but Kraftwerk had all of them beat. So does that mean Human League and Ultravox couldn't have innovated anything (as well as New Order BTW, because they did synth-pop too)? So, to me, that doesn't sound like a valid way to argue that DM weren't innovative. And, BTW, since when were Joy Division synth-pop? Or did you just throw them in there to pad out your list?

Now, you kind of answered by question about Christgau. Personally, I think it's silly to conclude that Martin Gore was trying to tap into the Rap market by rhyming "thug" and "drug" in the song. And I don't hear anything in the song that can necessarily be traced to anything Rap-influenced. So, I disagree with that pretty strongly.

Posted by Jason G. on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 16:04pm


Jason - I warn you; Liam lives and breathes Joy Division.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 16:23pm


Well then he should know that they're not synth-pop. Maybe he forgot again?

Posted by Jason G. on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 16:27pm


Either way, prepare yourself for his venom. I hope you have asprin because I guarantee he will give you a headache on this discussion.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 18:23pm


Perhaps, but only in the same way as anybody else who is being unreasonable. For whatever reason, he's just refusing to be fair in his assessment of DM. Personally I think they're one of the most innovative and interesting electronic bands ever, right up there with Kraftwerk.

The modern sound of electronic music and dance music was for the most part the result of a series of incremental and often small innovations, and no band or artist can make a claim to the entire thing, although there are some who try to claim disproportionate credit. It was as simple as a sound here, an idea here, etc. all adding up to what we hear today. Depeche had a big hand in that...as did Kraftwerk, New Order, Human League, DAF, Gary Numan, and others.

It would also be very easy, if you have the right leverage, to dismiss the contribution of any one of those bands. Unfortunately, the music press have done that to Depeche for a long time and as a consequence DM fans are constantly having to explain and justify why they like DM. But the bottom line is that all of the evidence *I* need is in the music.

Posted by Jason G. on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 23:49pm


I can honestly say that I have never been a fan of DM but for what it's worth I do think they deserve to be in the HOF. On the other hand I love the Scorpions and are totally behind their enshirnment! Hey Liam I forgot one band on my list that might make you a little happy. The Cars!

That Ratt nomination from me made you loose your breath didn't it!!

Posted by dano on Monday, 04.21.08 @ 02:25am


BTW everyone reguarding the "thug and drug" comment. New Order tried to tap the rap market with "World In Motion" did everyone forget about that horrible rap/dance/pop/rubish? Here is the rap towards to end of the song:
Youve got to hold and give
But do it at the right time
You can be slow or fast
But you must get to the line
Theyll always hit you and hurt you
Defend and attack
Theres only one way to beat them
Get round the back
Catch me if you can
Cos Im the england man
And what youre looking at
Is the master plan
We aint no hooligans
This aint a football song
Three lions on my chest
I know we cant go wrong
Oh yeah! this is a lame attempted at rap, sorry. Another thing, Bernard Sumner did this once before this with Electronic in one of their songs, I think it was "Feel Every Beat"?

Either way, DM were innovative, try listening to the whole catalog, from Speak and Spell through Playing the Angel. Yeah - they just went along with whatever was popular, right? Are you serious, DM seem to go completely against the grain and create music that their huge fan base enjoy. Criteria would be as follows:
Influence - According to so many of the other artist's themselves, DM was a big influence. Not going to list all the ones I have read, seen or heard them having said this, cause there are too many.
Innovative - well, I think that in some respects, an entire genre was created by them (Industrial), and some would argue a couple of other styles as well. Innovative, goes without saying, no disrepect to some of the other Synth Pop bands from the early 80s, but I guess they weren't able to change and mature, so that is why they propbably weren't as successful? Maybe they weren't as talented? Seriously, I think that DM could do other music, and do it well, if they wanted to.
Sales - over 75 million.
Longevity: Over 25 Years

What else needs to be said? - DM deserves it period. It's not about who else does, just a point that they do.

Posted by freddy on Monday, 04.21.08 @ 06:58am


"You also seem to be offering two criteria for an artist being in the HOF:

1. The artist is innovative
2. The artist is influential

Now, I think an artist should be BOTH to be in the HOF, but you think only one is sufficient. Am I correct in understanding you? However, I personally think it's very difficult (but not impossible) to be one without being the other." - Jason G.

First off, it's not me that's offering it. Read the top of the page and you'll see.

Second, an artist doesn't have to be innovative to deserve induction. If they did, then The Beatles, John Mellencamp, The Sex Pistols and many others wouldn't be in.

"OK, but Kraftwerk had all of them beat. So does that mean Human League and Ultravox couldn't have innovated anything (as well as New Order BTW, because they did synth-pop too)? So, to me, that doesn't sound like a valid way to argue that DM weren't innovative. And, BTW, since when were Joy Division synth-pop? Or did you just throw them in there to pad out your list?" - Jason G.

Ultravox were the ones to fuse Kraftwerk's electronica, punk spirit and Roxy Music's glam into one, and they got in very early to synth-pop aswell (about 1977). "Dare" by The Human League was among the very first albums to be recorded totally using electronics (sans traditional instruments). Joy Division's Love Will Tear Us Apart (synth-pop: check) came out a year before Depeche Mode's debut.

New Order were the progenators of the entire alternative-dance movement (not DM), so yeah, they were innovative.

"Jason - I warn you; Liam lives and breathes Joy Division."

Do you just love antagonising me something?

"Well then he should know that they're not synth-pop. Maybe he forgot again?" - Jason G.

Nope.

"The modern sound of electronic music and dance music was for the most part the result of a series of incremental and often small innovations, and no band or artist can make a claim to the entire thing, although there are some who try to claim disproportionate credit."

No it wasn't. Kraftwerk were the originals as far as the electronic sound goes. New Order progenated alt-dance.

"It was as simple as a sound here, an idea here, etc. all adding up to what we hear today. Depeche had a big hand in that...as did Kraftwerk, New Order, Human League, DAF, Gary Numan, and others."

What a cop-out. If Depeche Mode actually innovated anything, you would have been able to say so specifically. Instead you try to denegrate other musicians and their achievements.



Yep, dano, The Cars inclusion will help me sleep a little easier ;D

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.21.08 @ 10:16am


"Either way, DM were innovative, try listening to the whole catalog, from Speak and Spell through Playing the Angel. Yeah - they just went along with whatever was popular, right? Are you serious, DM seem to go completely against the grain and create music that their huge fan base enjoy." - freddy

Yeah, because when I think "going against the grain," I think of groups that wrote accessible synth-pop tunes when synth-pop was at the height of its popularity.

"Innovative - well, I think that in some respects, an entire genre was created by them (Industrial), and some would argue a couple of other styles as well."

Thanks for unveiling your ignorance. No, they didn't create industrial whatsoever. Fad Gadget, Suicide and Killing Joke beat them to it, and DM's first real 'industrial' album was "Construction Time Again," which came out in '83, late by about years.

"Innovative, goes without saying, no disrepect to some of the other Synth Pop bands from the early 80s, but I guess they weren't able to change and mature, so that is why they propbably weren't as successful? Maybe they weren't as talented? Seriously, I think that DM could do other music, and do it well, if they wanted to."

If you think maturity is what the US mainstrem looks for, how the hell do you explain Britneys Spears? If DM could do other music so well, how come Dabe Gahan's solo work is so average.

"Sales - over 75 million.
Longevity: Over 25 Years

What else needs to be said? - DM deserves it period. It's not about who else does, just a point that they do. "

Sales do not mean crap. Being around for a long time means even less. How many artists cite Playing The Angel as influence.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.21.08 @ 10:33am


"You are objective? Thank you so much for the giggle." - Dameon

Says the guy who thinks that his own opinion is enough to keep Billy Bragg out.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.21.08 @ 11:52am


Says the guy who thinks that his own opinion is enough to keep Billy Bragg out. - Liam

All I ever said was that he was a bore and a drag. My opinion is based on listening to his music and seeing him perform live. I don't believe he is HoF material, just like you don't believe that many bands are HoF material. I never said once that my opinion on him was completely objective. I like what I like and I make no apologies for it. I just thought you saying that your commentary is objective is rather funny.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.21.08 @ 12:24pm


It's objective as far as it needs to be. I offered my opinion on Depeche Mode, and didn't let it interfere with my argument about their induction case (and I'll take the chance to remind everyone that I am actually advocating their induction and have been all along).

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.21.08 @ 12:32pm


“Sales do not mean crap. Being around for a long time means even less”
-> Maybe but being around for a long time with constant sales success probably means something

“ How many artists cite Playing The Angel as influence”
-> Playing the Angel is a 2005 album, so it is maybe normal not to have it cited as an influence by other artists.


Anyway, apart of many artistic reason, one of the reason making me think they can be in the AOF is: they totally don’t care about those kind of stuff. That is at least Rock’n roll attitude, no ?



Posted by Vincent on Monday, 04.21.08 @ 14:17pm


Liam, the history of electronic music is pretty much as I described it; a series of incremental innovations all amounting to what what you hear today. Electronic music is a special case whereby its very nature, namely the virtually unlimited sonic possibilities and the technological progress that took place during its heyday in the '70s and '80s, allowed for a lot of innovation. It's not like Punk which, despite the creative explosion it inspired, "died" in part because of the relatively tight parameters of that genre. Even Kraftwerk admitted in the '80s that "the teachers had become the students". No doubt by "the teachers" they were referring to, among others, New Order and Depeche Mode. Both groups put out brilliant singles in 1983 that, I believe, changed the face of electronic music, namely "Blue Monday" and "Everything Counts" (not to mention DM's own "Get the Balance Right!" which was a seminal track in the development of Detroit Techno). In both cases, they borrowed from things that came before but combined things in new ways and introduced innovative new sounds and ideas. I particularly like and agree with Paul Morley's assessment of "Everything Counts": "They placed words after words and sound within other sounds in a way no one else had thought of. They still charted." So to say that Kraftwerk were the originators and that's that, period, is...well...silly. Just ask Karl Bartos himself who happens to be an admirer of both bands.

Posted by Jason G. on Monday, 04.21.08 @ 19:20pm


If DM were to be inducted just for being around over 25 years I'd vote yes... but its been over 25 years of GREAT music and FANTASTIC concerts. We are 3 generations who won't miss one, and will hunt down another if we can. I can think of no other group who deserve this honor more.
Dave, Martin and Fletch have been sadly lacking in well-deserved honors over the years... its time that changed, or I will be forced go on believing that these 'awards' are all tawdry politics and pay-offs.
It always interests me that most of the people who have little good to say about DM are guys... jealous much?? Haha....

Posted by pleasure on Monday, 04.21.08 @ 22:31pm


"It's not like Punk which, despite the creative explosion it inspired, "died" in part because of the relatively tight parameters of that genre."

Punk Rock spawned both Hardcore Punk and Post-Punk, the latter of which developed into the alternative sub-genre. So, no, Punk rock didn't die at all.



Again, if Depeche Mode actually innovated anything, you'd be able show what they innovated specifically. I've given some specifics of how New Order innovated (by bringing dance music into the post-punk mix); something you've failed to for Depeche Mode.

And please don't say anything resembling "they created industrial," because they didn't even come close.

Yes, Kraftwerk did originate electronica as we know it. I'm sure you'll wanna pull out your utterly useless "There were only small innovations!" argument, but Kraftwerk are the earliest (and biggest, but that's besides the point) influence to electronica.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.22.08 @ 06:48am


I'm surprised they're not in yet. They were on Seymour Stein's label, and what Seymour wants, Seymour gets.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 04.24.08 @ 08:50am


I think that Killing Joke, Kraftwerk, Human League all put records out before DM came onto the scene, but seriously, ask your average fan if they have heard of they artists, and the only one you get a yes on is probably the Human League because of their pop hits. It is somewhat directly related to popularity, and longevity. That is part of the criteria whether it is stated officially anywhere or not. These guys (DM) still put out records and still have successful tours, while some of the others listed are long gone. I think it does matter. If it didn’t then they propably wouldn’t still have new fans, still sell out arenas and still sell millions of records. DM took some of their ideas from these artists, true, and it was before they made albums themselves. They took these ideas and took them to the next level. I like the other fore mentioned bands, I think that they are all good, and if DM do get inducted, it could open the door for some of their influences, such as some of the bands listed as well as many others that are not even mentioned. (BTW – Roxy Music is a major snub). Maybe you want to say DM were not innovative, were not one of the original 'influences' to industrial music, but Construction Time, Some Great Reward, Black Celebration, and even Music For the Masses influenced a good part of everything Wax Trax records put out for a few years and would sound much different had DM not made those records. Another label that was once filled with DM influenced bands was Netwerk Records. For one, quite a few of the artists on both labels actually sampled sounds straight off those DM records and a few basically took an DM edgy synthpop sound and just made it harder by adding more driving beats, along with some sounds and noises DM and Kraftwerk both used. Nitzer Ebb and a lot of what Front 242 was doing in the mid to late 80s were influenced by DM records. Also, I know that I will get crap for stating this, but there is still an entire synthpop, industrial, electronic movement going on, with a slew of artists clearly influenced by DM. Name dropping a few (De/Vision, Beborn Beton, Apop Berzerk, Covenant, Monofader, etc, etc). Not popular artists true, but clearly influenced and there are a ton of them out there all well documented as stating that are making records based in large part on being huge DM fans. Another place still DM influenced, go to any trance, rave club and you will still hear remixed DM songs from some of the worlds most famous DJs almost every night, so the ‘club’ influence is also still really there. Most of these DJs seem to love taking DM songs and incorporating them into their DJ sets. Yes, New Order can still be heard as well, but this debate is not about who deserves it more, it is about DM and how they do deserve it. It will open the door for some of the others and could change the face of HOF in post punk, alternative, new wave, post modern, electronica, techno, whatever else – music.

Posted by Freddy on Wednesday, 04.30.08 @ 07:52am


"ask your average fan if they have heard of they artists, and the only one you get a yes on is probably the Human League because of their pop hits. It is somewhat directly related to popularity, and longevity. That is part of the criteria whether it is stated officially anywhere or not." - Freddy

Aaah, ofcourse, the good, old-fashioned fall-back. Rather than actually rely on an argument for the band, you can always use the war-cry of "BUT THEY WEREN'T POPULAAAAR!!" or "THE MAINSTREAM DOESN'T KNOW THEM!!" as that special trump-card to ensure victory. Oh wait, you did.

I couldn't give a crap about what The Man On the Street thinks, because 999 times out of 1000, that man hasn't educated himself beyond Linkin Park, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Britney Sears or whatever else MTV is telling him to listen to.


This is the last time I will repeat myself on this, so listen up: Depeche Mode did not progenate alt-dance, New Order beat them there. They did not innovate industrial electronica, as Killing Joke, Throbbing Gristle, Fad Gadget and Sucide beat them there. They were influential to electronica, and that's why they deserve in.

Posted by Liam on Wednesday, 04.30.08 @ 10:20am


I agree with what is stated above - I am merely sustaining my arguement that DM deserve to be inducted. Let's all agree, DM, New Order/Joy Division (together and seperately), The Cars, Roxy Music, The Smiths, Billy Idol/Generation X, and probably the Cure, (please insert any I have left off) - all need to be inducted immediately. This can then open the door for some of the less known artists that probably deserve it equally as the ones listed above do, because unfortunately the general public does matter - afterall this is what the HOF is trying to appeal to, popularity does actually matter to a certain degree. I for one think that once the nominating committee starts to recognize this entire area of music, starting with the most popular and recognized, it will then open the door for all the rest of them. This would include some of the more talented, influencial, and interesting bands in the minds of many serious music fans. Such as Ministry, Killing Joke, Kraftwerk, Gang of Four, XTC, etc, etc etc (insert whoever your personal choice is).

Posted by Freddy on Thursday, 05.8.08 @ 05:52am


Should Depeche Mode be inducted? As argueably the most successful and influential synth band in history, that is a no-brainer.They have consistently bucked every trend in synth/techno/dance music to come along and still end up in the top ten every time they release a new album.As a tribute to the art of electronica both Depeche Mode and New Order need to have their spot in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by chris on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 11:24am


*heavy sigh*

1. DM are nowhere close to being considered "the most influential synth band in history."

2. They have NOT bucked every trend in synth, techno OR dance.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 05.20.08 @ 11:51am


Ok liam, how old are you? Cause i've been around a while and the one band i hear consistently named as most influential to a lot of today's artists is the Mode. And in the 20-plus years of listening to electronica it seems to me that when the genre was going through a certain phase DM were always doing something different, namely what they wanted to do, not what some record label was telling them would sell records or make them teeny-bop heartthrobs.Case in point:during the techno craze of the early nineties what did DM do? An album with a rock and blues/gospel feel,Songs of Faith and Devotion. And that is just one example. Sorry, but on so many levels DM is the best with New Order coming in a very close second.And I happen to love New Order.

Posted by chris on Wednesday, 06.4.08 @ 14:16pm


What did Depeche Mode do during the electronica-rock craze in the early-to-mid-'90s? They wrote albums full of electronica-rock/industrial to tap into said market.

If you honestly believe that Depeche Mode are the most influential band to today's music, you really need to get your facts straightened out. I'd be more able to make a case around Joy Division, Radiohead, The Cure, Sonic Youth or, heck, even XTC.

Depeche Mode have nothing on New Order at all: New Order have more influence and innovation; and a stronger discography, with much better '00s work.

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 06.5.08 @ 10:55am


without them nin and manson would be hollow besides if U2 got in they should

Posted by bill on Friday, 06.20.08 @ 21:39pm


I must be missing something!! I will get to the point of Depeche Mode but first things first. New Order that influential? , from an alternative view they can hardly be branded revolutionary, If anybody pioneered the term ‘sold out’ they would have to be sturdy contenders as in the release World in Motion(hey guys Word Cup is coming ching ching ching $$$) and now are battling it out with each other for every precious penny (didn’t the bass player say something like "I own a third of New Order" Its a band not a company! Complete disgrace!!!) One thing that confuses me is the quote “New Order has more influence” then the other bands listed?? Errm HOW?? Seriously what have they done that’s so special? Seriously I'm stumped and genuinely would like to be proved wrong, what makes them so influential? Joy Division I can call influential (though albeit a tad overrated?) Atmosphere walks all over any New Order song. New Order live are terrible as well for the record, The fact you get some British bands like Catherine Wheel, who will fade into obscurity for a bland band like New Order means a sorry state of affairs.

Second point. I think The Cure deserve their place, they have constantly kept to their guns and their recent work has been a pleasure to listen to. The Smiths are THE Manchester band. Intelligent lyrics, well-structured songs and also a joy, though I think they shouldn’t reform, they have their respect in time. Echo and the Bunnymen have some great tunes though I feel they will be lost in general time. Kraftwerk have earned their place, no need to even argue a point.

Now onto Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk created and pioneered the electronic sound, Depeche Mode added to it. For anybody who would like an influence for DM look for their recording techniques. Their use of samples was revolutionary, Yes I know other bands sampled before them but this was through computers or synthesisers to gain the sound. Depeche Mode took the idea to record everyday sounds and then re-record them through the soundboards (Stripped’s chugging sound is a slow down distorted Motorbike!). They took the heavy laiden German euro beats and mixed it together with the British New-Wave sound. I love my heavy metal music but sitting their almost uncomfortably with my collection are Depeche albums, One of my friends who is widely into his Dance, House, Trance (you get the picture) has Depeche albums, Another friend who adores all the latest trends (your boybands, Ibiza fuelled Dance, genral pop) has Depeche albums! Though to say they have hugely influenced genres is maybe a bit unrealistic, they have still influenced them nonetheless. I really can’t think of another band that commands respect from a variety of genres! For that they deserve to be inducted. It’s always the way that nobody will agree on who should be inducted as nobody adores or hates the same bands but I think its petty and childish to almost have list with some bands at the top and others at the bottom, Every band means something to somebody, not everything to everybody. (Sorry Manic Street Preachers had to use your quote to finish things off!)

Posted by rammstein on Saturday, 07.5.08 @ 08:01am


Für mich gehört Depeche Mode in die Hall of Fame.
Sie insperieren andere Bands in der heutigen Zeit. Bands wie Marilyn Monsonsingen Ihre Lieder oder auch Coldplay, die sogar ein Video wie Depeche Mode machten (Enjoy the Silence).
Nach 26 Jahren Erfolg und unendlich viel Gold und sogar Platin Alben und viele Hits in Europa und ein Konzert vor 90000 Zuschauern im Rose Bowl Stadion haben sie es auf alle Fälle verdient.
Und sie spielen nicht mehr nur auf Keyboards, sondern auch mit Gitarre und Schlagzeug.

Also rein mit Depeche Mode in The Hall of Fame.

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Posted by dogfrogkitch on Tuesday, 10.28.08 @ 21:32pm


They along with New Order are two most influential rock/pop groups of the 80 - 90's. Depeche Model is clearly in another level than U2. Just U2 has more political/evironmental acclaim than DM and thats probably why they are more socially acclaimed. Depeche Mode has helped revolutionize music with the use of synthesizers, something new in the the early 80's. They have many hits and should of been a first ballot HOF

Posted by Alex 696 on Monday, 11.17.08 @ 00:24am


LIAM!

You gotta be out of your mind that Depeche Mode has nothing on New Order!! I am a big New Order fan but they are in different leagues and cant even stay together for more than 3-4 years together to make music. There last two albums have been whack! Get Ready was a stinker, I am still waiting for an album to come out to replicate Republic, will never happen!

Posted by Alex 696 on Monday, 11.17.08 @ 00:32am


I'm going to have to say Depeche Mode is THE MOST influencial 80's band of all time. They influenced more newly founded genres than anyother band I am aware of... they shaped Alt Rock, Dance, House, Techno, Aggrotech, Industrial... so on and so forth...

Posted by hmmm on Tuesday, 11.18.08 @ 16:50pm


Well... All I have to say is that "Playing The Angel" is the best Depeche Mode album since "Violator".

Posted by Joe-Skee on Tuesday, 11.25.08 @ 16:15pm


Depeche Mode should be inducted to the RRHF as their impact on modern music is undeniable. Whether you like their music or not they are still around after 30 years (Can you imagine Miley or Britney in 30 years?)
Numerous artists (read examples in previous posts) site DM as an inspiration and influence. They were always on the cutting edge of music with an eye for the experimental and alternative trend.
I agree they did not invent synth-pop, electronica, goth or industrial music but were a major influence in shaping the modern form of theses genres. Constantly developing their sound (and skills) almost re-inventing themselves while keeping a common core for each new album.
Granted that Speak and Spell which yielded such candy coated offerings as New Life and Just Can't Get Enough, was disposable and lightweight synthpop, but these guys were naive 17 year olds with a drum machine and a couple of keyboards. Following the departure of Vince Clarke after that album, the music and lyrics of DM became more intricate and inspired.
DM finally became a band to be taken seriously with the 1984 release of Some Great Reward.
1988's US tour proved that DM were a force to be reckoned with when they drew 80,000 people to the Passadena Rosebowl for a 'Concert for the Masses'. Unheard of numbers for that era.

DM were pioneers of remix releases with an unrivalled catalog of official and unofficial remix CD's. Producers and musicians from everywhere lined up to remix DM songs.

DM are also one of the most 'covered' bands with myriad releases of DM covers ranging from Russian electronica to orchestral symphony and everything inbetween. Johnny Cash, Marilyn Manson, The Cure, Smashing Pumpkins, Appolo 440 and Rammstein are among the artists from all musical styles who have covered Mode songs.

In summary, to say DM have not influenced modern music or left their thumbprint on musicians since their first single in 1981 is doing the band a great injustice.

Just because they arent signed to a major record label, and they refuse to conform to the nice comfortable pigeonholes within the industry they will be overlooked again and again.

Posted by ActiveSense on Friday, 01.30.09 @ 10:17am


Depeche Mode are a great band. Still making hits and having a huge fanbase. Depeche Mode gotten better overtime, Speak and Spell was below average (too poppy), so was A Broken Frame, they didn't reach their good era until Black Celebration. Their best albums were probably Music For the Masses, Violator, and Ultra. They are a tad bit overrated, though.

Posted by lame on Sunday, 03.8.09 @ 11:59am


Siouxsie and the Banshees?

Posted by Stanley Beaverhousen on Sunday, 03.29.09 @ 16:20pm


Quotes are from above Rammstein post - "I must be missing something!! I will get to the point of Depeche Mode but first things first. New Order that influential? , from an alternative view they can hardly be branded revolutionary,"

(sigh) No... First, listen to the early New Order single Everything's Gone Green (1981). This was the first time New Order mixed electronic dance music (Italian Disco) with rock. This was the very first song of this type. It had a profound effect on rock language. Every rock band that "went electronic" in the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s are descendants of this song. These techniques are common language in rock music today. That's huge and it's just the surface of what they accomplished...

Quote - "If anybody pioneered the term ‘sold out’ they would have to be sturdy contenders as in the release World in Motion(hey guys Word Cup is coming ching ching ching $$$) and now are battling it out with each other for every precious penny (didn’t the bass player say something like "I own a third of New Order" Its a band not a company! Complete disgrace!!!"

I don't have a problem with New Order writing a theme for the world cup considering the band's and the Factory label's monetary issues at the time. In any case it's a fantastic song. You're aware New Order were one of the truly independent groups of the 1980s right? Doing that one thing isn't going to change that. Also, I don't think the current feud between Sumner/Morris and Hook is about money.

Quote - "One thing that confuses me is the quote “New Order has more influence” then the other bands listed?? Errm HOW?? Seriously what have they done that’s so special? Seriously I'm stumped and genuinely would like to be proved wrong, what makes them so influential? Joy Division I can call influential (though albeit a tad overrated?) Atmosphere walks all over any New Order song. New Order live are terrible as well for the record, The fact you get some British bands like Catherine Wheel, who will fade into obscurity for a bland band like New Order means a sorry state of affairs."

New Order is far more influential than Joy Division. New Order was the first rock band to crossover to the dance crowd while maintaining its credibility with the rockers. Groups that played with disco before, Blondie, The Clash, etc. were all tarred as sell-outs and others like Public Image Ltd. maintained a safe distance from legitimate dance music while still using its tools. New Order approached dance as equal to rock.

Blue Monday is one of the truly important recordings of the decade, it's one of the most significant proto-techno pieces. Its impact on house music is also notable. Confusion is simply one of the definitive electro tracks. Their second album is littered with music that predicts what would become techno a few years later. Why do you think the old post-motorik style synthpop died off in favor of a dance oriented direction in the late 80s? It was because of New Order and even then, none of those bands really tore into dance music the way New Order did. New Order crossed the barriers of rock and dance at a time of intense rockism and in the process changed the way many rock fans thought about this form of music. They are the only rock band that has dealt a legitimate blow against the concept of rockism.

New Order's defunct club, the Hacienda, was a physical manifestation of their ethos; dance, rock, and pop all had a home there (Madonna's first British performance was at this venue, The Bad Seeds did a live video there, The Smiths performed here several times prior to their record deal.) The Hacienda is closely associated with the rise of madchester, acid house, and rave culture. You could argue it's the foundation of electronic dance's development in Great Britain.

Manchester essentially became the music capitol of the UK under New Order. What more do you want? So, yes, you really must have "missed something". New Order was one of the significant groups of their time.

As for Depeche Mode, I like them and I do think they deserve a place in the hall but are they really more important than New Order? Not by a long shot.

Posted by Elastic Man on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 05:19am


New Order crossed the barriers of rock and dance at a time of intense rockism and in the process changed the way many rock fans thought about this form of music. They are the only rock band that has dealt a legitimate blow against the concept of rockism.

Posted by Elastic Man on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 05:19am
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Question - How do you think that line would play out at a meeting of the Rock Hall's voting board? After all, I've noticed Marsh's e-mail, or at least one address where you can contact him, floating all over the place. Heck, Marsh might even think about KISS before he thought about these guys.

You may have just successfully argued them out of the Hall.

Posted by Cheesecrop on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 06:00am


Cheesecrop, that brings up a good point.

If the hall denied them on those grounds, they would betray a basic principle of their organization: "Significance to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll." It would be a blatant denial of how far the boundaries of this music has been spread. The utilization of elements of electronic dance within a rock and pop context has been one of the most visible developments of contemporary popular music over the last twenty years. It would be one of the greatest examples of hypocrisy among their jury.

I also must note, aside from the hall's general bias against electronic music/electronic dance music, America on whole hasn't accepted those genres like Great Britain has (New Order itself has only found cursory success here compared to the UK.) Nevertheless, that cross pollination does extend to artists over here (Smashing Pumpkins are among the American groups that "went electronic" during the 1990s; LCD Soundsystem, 2007 Village Voice Pazz & Jop winners, continue what New Order did in their heyday.) I think if Kraftwerk isn't inducted beforehand and if a more popular entity in the USA like Depeche Mode can't get in, New Order probably doesn't stand much of a chance. That said, hall force Rolling Stone did place New Order's second album Power, Corruption, and Lies on their best of the 80s list twenty years ago and the band has always had much respect from the American critical community in general.

The odds are in a sense against them but if the hall is serious, it's inevitable. Some people here have suggested a Parliament/Funkadelic situation where Joy Division and New Order would be entered as one entity. It's a legitimate option because neither band is complete without the consideration of the other. The Rock Hall will inevitably have to honor post-punk beyond U2; Joy Division is an obvious choice. This is one possibility. The other? If Kraftwerk and Chic both get in, the former considered a great snub and the latter in serious contention before, bands like New Order have a chance.

(Actually, Madonna is a precedent in New Order's favor too. They both perpetuated genres like house among pop and rock audiences.)

Another factor could be the influence of current hall of famers. Bono is someone who would vie for New Order; U2's Achtung Baby and subsequent 90s work is a byproduct of New Order's influence. Bono has given many induction speeches and has the most clout among musicians of U2 and New Order's generation.

Otherwise, it'll take the replacement of the current board, which won't be for some time. I think the generation of the 80s and 90s would be very receptive to their induction. I'd call New Order a wild card at this point. They're in a complex situation among artists that realistically could be considered.

Posted by Elastic Man on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 07:34am


Hey guys... Don't forget about overall record sales. In that category Depeche Mode beats New Order by miles. Like McDonalds'... millions and millions sold.

Posted by Joe-Skee on Tuesday, 04.14.09 @ 12:29pm


Here's a list of about every major band Depeche influenced in some way.

The Killers
Nine Inch Nails
Franz Ferdinand
Coldplay
Marylin Manson
Oasis
Linkin Park
Smashing Pumpkins
Against Me
The Bravery
Artic Monkeys
Green Day
No Doubt
Radiohead

Posted by didyouever on Sunday, 04.19.09 @ 12:34pm


With the release of Depeche Mode's 12th studio album Sounds of the Universe debut at # 3 on Billboard's 200. As well as an upcoming near sold out tour. Should seal the deal. This is not a reunion tour or some comeback thing. But simple Depeche continuing to push the boundaries of modern music, influenceing future artists, and inspiring a universe. Enough said.

Posted by Brian on Tuesday, 05.5.09 @ 11:34am


Pioneers in electronic music, rock music, remixes, and videos as well. They are one of the best bands ever (if not the best). Martin Gore is a lyrical genius. The sounds they produce are incredible and Dave Gah in truly of the best vocalist in the whole music industry

Posted by Carlos on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 13:38pm


By far better tha New order, in terms of sales, production, lyrics and probably fans. Also, I agree that U2 is more acclaimed as a band since it has a more political influence.
But, by any mean, U2 could be considered better than DM , and DM deserve more chances to be inducted rather than NEW ORDER, KRAFTWERK OR U2. Come on, they have been around almost 30 years and its album is now ranked #3 in Billboard charts, #1 in Billboard electronic music charts

Posted by Carlos on Saturday, 05.9.09 @ 13:47pm


Eh, their new album sucks. But the 80s and 90s albums were amazing. influenced some crap artists though.

Posted by crunchypete.com on Friday, 06.26.09 @ 18:31pm


I doubt that Depeche Mode will get in this RnR hall of sham thingie.. Politics and Connection are the main requirements to get in..


DM one of the most influencial modern/alternative acts for the last 30 years!! Sold Stadiums world wide and still kickin A___ DM don't need to be in this RnR hall of Sham thingie lol.. RnR Hall of Blame is a TOTAL JOKE anyways!!

Posted by Bolshoi on Monday, 07.6.09 @ 14:47pm


Shouldn't the fact that they suck be held against them?

Posted by Ralph on Friday, 07.10.09 @ 14:12pm


Geez...I guess Ralph doesn't like DM, and there's nothing wrong with that (although he is vague on why). "elk are better than deer"'s response was a prime example of how NOT to act...

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 07.10.09 @ 20:16pm


'Depeche Mode are one of the few good bands left'

No they aren't, thir light faded along long time ago, just like U2, Bon Jovi etc

Posted by on Friday, 07.10.09 @ 20:17pm


DEPECHE MODE ARE PAST THEIR PRIME AND SUCK, DID YOU SEE THAT DISASTER AT LOLLAPALLOZA IT SUCKED,
they used to be amazing greatest band ever, but now the suck pussies, SOUNDS OF THE UNIVERSE IS GARBAGE

GO WATCH THE WEATHER CHANELL DEPECHE MODE

Posted by SEARS on Saturday, 08.8.09 @ 14:57pm


DEPECHE MODE ARE PAST THEIR PRIME AND SUCK, DID YOU SEE THAT DISASTER AT LOLLAPALLOZA IT SUCKED,
they used to be amazing greatest band ever, but now the suck pussies, SOUNDS OF THE UNIVERSE IS GARBAGE

GO WATCH THE WEATHER CHANELL DEPECHE MODE

Posted by SEARS on Thursday, 08.20.09 @ 13:20pm


They have been and continue to be a great and very influential group. They have always been one step ahead of the rest and I guess that's why some people don't understand them.

Posted by La Dama Demente on Wednesday, 09.2.09 @ 15:41pm


I live in Mexico and their influence in Latin America is huge the only other bands that can claim this are U2 and The Cure and as a DJ during the eighties, I have really seen how their sound influenced DJ all over the planet and Dance Music in general. I really think that they should be in the RRHOF but something that gets DM overlooked is how really great and influential of a songwriter Martin Gore really is, he is so underrated, their first album Speak & Spell was really Vince Clarke at the helm (Of The Assembly, Yaz and Erasure fame) but after that you can start listening the band take a turn in their sound (Sun and the Rainfall, Leave in Silence)and their use of Sampling in the albums after that (Construction Time Again and Some Great Reward)moving away from the New Romantic movement and really carving a place for themselves with that unique sound that is still present to this day. With the arrival of the essential albums Black Celebration and Music for the Masses their sound evolves on to the landmark albums that are Violator and Songs of Faith and Devotion and the very underrated Ultra, Exiter is probably their most dissapointing album but Playing the Angel and Sounds of the Univers are good albums, not great but good. I do believe that their time has passed but they still are very influential in Latin America and have a huge following down here (Argentina, Costa Rica, Colombia, Uruguay, Brasil, Chile and Argentina)the only other bands that have managed to survive and evolved and have proven that they can still deliver are U2 and The Cure. I understand the argument for New Order, The Smiths and other bands that should be in the RRHOF but Depeche Mode is deserving!!!!

Posted by Voyager1270 on Wednesday, 10.7.09 @ 22:44pm


100 million records sold, enough said, did all these other bands can say they achieved that, no.....

Posted by barry on Sunday, 11.8.09 @ 16:43pm


I second the post above me by Barry and add that Depeche Mode is simply one of the biggest bands of all time. After nearly 30 years they are still selling out stadiums and I can only think of 4 or 5 bands that can draw the crowd Depeche does.

I saw some talk of New Order above, I always hoped Depeche Mode & New Order/Joy Division would get inducted same time, the only reason I want to see NO/JD inducted these days is for Hooky and I'm guessing he'd rather get inducted under JD if it can't be NO/JD.

Posted by Corey on Monday, 11.9.09 @ 05:06am


Innovation and influence...who cares how many stadiums they've sold out (if any)....

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 11.9.09 @ 06:31am


Innovation and influence...who cares how many stadiums they've sold out (if any)....

Posted by Gitarzan on Monday, 11.9.09 @ 06:31am

I find that funny comming from you....If "influence and inovation" is the foundation of what it takes to get In...LOL

Yes Zorro was great inovation and influence ..if playing every standard lick is it then it is it.. {Smile}

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 11.11.09 @ 10:27am


Considering it's HOW he played those licks and has influenced countless players because of it, I find it surprising that someone as "in touch" as you profess to be would say something that silly...

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 11.11.09 @ 12:26pm




Considering it's HOW he played those licks and has influenced countless players because of it, I find it surprising that someone as "in touch" as you profess to be would say something that silly...

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 11.11.09 @ 12:26pm



what he had done was done before from: Hendrix, Guy ,Winter,Page,Beck,Lee,Throrogood, Wray . Fuller ,Dale,Atkinson, Clapton,Mayo,Spence, Andrew,Townshend ,Richards and endless real blue's guy Hooker ,Muddy King.Sonny... Just hard to call him influence I would say all of the above influenced him

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 11.11.09 @ 22:46pm


Trust me...Hendrix did NOT play like that! "All ya need are ears (or better yet, TRY yourself to play like that)"! SRV might have been influenced by the "blues", but none, and I do mean NONE of those old blues players could hold a candle to him. Furthermore, Thorogood's a slide player, Dale is, well, DALE (hard to find anyone who plays like that), Wray's influence didn't have much to do with his playing style ("Rumble" is pretty much "guitar 101"), plus you ALWAYS put Fuller down as an influence for EVERYONE, which takes away your credibility from the get-go. Like I said before, I sat down to figure out "Wipeout" (when I was about 13), got it figured out and got bored with it in about a DAY!!!

SRV took the blues (as did the "3 Kings", Waters, Clapton, Winter, etc...) and played it HIS way. The basis for that music came along way before those guitarists you mentioned. As Albert King once said "he was as much of an influence on me as I ever was on him". He gave those old bluesmen way too much credit...he's one of a handful of players who are almost instantly recognizable. The fact that you even argue the point shows me that you know very little about the history of blues (or rock) guitar.

Jim Fuller...influence SRV...spare me!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 11.12.09 @ 00:24am


Trust me...Hendrix did NOT play like that! "All ya need are ears (or better yet, TRY yourself to play like that)"! SRV might have been influenced by the "blues", but none, and I do mean NONE of those old blues players could hold a candle to him. Furthermore, Thorogood's a slide player, Dale is, well, DALE (hard to find anyone who plays like that), Wray's influence didn't have much to do with his playing style ("Rumble" is pretty much "guitar 101"), plus you ALWAYS put Fuller down as an influence for EVERYONE, which takes away your credibility from the get-go. Like I said before, I sat down to figure out "Wipeout" (when I was about 13), got it figured out and got bored with it in about a DAY!!!

Yeah hendrix Came up with the idea As far as Fuller his HPoint panic was love by may GuitarPlayer I know The Who love it and we know Van Halens dug his stuff..Also even James Brown new IT...{ALL YOU NEED IS EARS} Any Who Zorro did not do any thing new.. Just used some fancy gizmo's that any kid can BUY AT GUITAR CENTER.. lol.. Get real .. an learn the truth,, not what the Rock hype is .. As mention lots of times he is a great guitar play... but he is no..Tommy Tedesco ..
Now there is influence..He was to many things! He is one of the biggest one out there..!


Posted by mrxyz on Thursday, 11.12.09 @ 09:30am


SRV took the blues (as did the "3 Kings", Waters, Clapton, Winter, etc...) and played it HIS way. The basis for that music came along way before those guitarists you mentioned. As Albert King once said "he was as much of an influence on me as I ever was on him". He gave those old bluesmen way too much credit...he's one of a handful of players who are almost instantly recognizable. The fact that you even argue the point shows me that you know very little about the history of blues (or rock) guitar.

Jim Fuller...influence SRV...spare me!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 11.12.09 @ 00:24am
Know I doubt Fuller influeced him Directly but the many of the ones that he coipied were..
As Albert King once said "he was as much of an influence on me as I ever was on him". I belive that ..lol
SRV was a marketing tool He had the look and could re creat many styles with his own "little" twist ,just like any guitar player ..know one plays the same.. I take it he is a big influence on you..If I were you. I woud go to the roots.. He was not really a blues player.. He was more a rock player playing the blues..
If you think he "brought the blues back" that says it all.. LOL It never left.. !That's a fact..If you can't play it right play it loud with gizmos..It gets the audience every time.! Smoke an wires behind the curtian..the OZ is waiting LOL .. For the novice/fan he is a big influence..So is Madonna and the Archies.. Real GOOD blues is all "feel" "less is MORE.".

Posted by mrxyz on Thursday, 11.12.09 @ 10:02am


I know this thread has zombified several times already, but I have to point out that Liam has completely disregarded the full definition of "innovation". Innovation isn't just coming up with a completely original idea; it is also coming up with completely original METHODS of using existing ideas. Using that criteria Depeche Mode has touched just about every corner of rock, from electronica to dance, alt-rock to industrial, and just about anything else you can think of since their inception. Kraftwerk may have had some great ideas, but they weren't enough on their own to produce meaningful work across the board. Other than perhaps the song Radioactivity (and a very few others) Kraftwerk is no more than a gimmick. You cannot relate them to your life in a meaningful way. Depeche Mode took their great technical ideas and added something that made them personal. And that's just an example of their greatness. The old axiom "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts" fits nicely with Depeche Mode's methods and philosophy of music. So a concrete example of their innovation is bringing disparate ideas together that had never been combined before to create something greater than its parts. Any rock group that uses synths has Depeche Mode to thank for making the music truly personal. Depeche Mode made people forget they were listening to electronic music and made them see it as simply MUSIC, beyond labels and quantification. NO other band ever came close to DM in this regard, not Kraftwerk, not the Human League, and not New Order even though they came close sometimes. They crossed barriers that had never been successfully crossed before. You only have to look to Johnny Cash's cover of Personal Jesus for example to see what I mean. Their influence permeates in a way than none of their contemporaries could even begin to match.

Posted by Barry on Sunday, 12.6.09 @ 11:40am


"Other than perhaps the song Radioactivity (and a very few others) Kraftwerk is no more than a gimmick. You cannot relate them to your life in a meaningful way."

What??? First, you don't even explain why Radioactivity is different from the rest of Kraftwerk's material. For your information, it isn't. Second, who cares if YOU can't relate to what they write about...or even if anyone could at all. Kraftwerk wrote about "The Man Machine"; I think people can relate to that. Kraftwerk is such a perfect merging of musical concepts and lyrical ideas.

"Any rock group that uses synths has Depeche Mode to thank for making the music truly personal."

This statement doesn't make much sense at all. Brian Eno didn't make personal music? Personal is more than spelling out your feelings in your lyrics; personal music can be a distinct style or vision (Kraftwerk is thus extremely personal music.) Besides that, many groups used synthesizers in a rock context before Depeche Mode, whether it be prog rock bands or Brian Eno or David Bowie or New Order. Depeche Mode didn't even start to use guitars much until the nineties. What are these barriers Depeche Mode successfully crossed before anyone else?

"So a concrete example of their innovation is bringing disparate ideas together that had never been combined before to create something greater than its parts."

Like what? What I can best conjure up would be their merging of electro rhythms (Aside: that's the distinct dance style electro, not shorthand for electronic music) with industrial music (Everything Counts, People Are People, etc.). This had a great effect on the direction of industrial music.

"Depeche Mode made people forget they were listening to electronic music and made them see it as simply MUSIC, beyond labels and quantification. NO other band ever came close to DM in this regard, not Kraftwerk, not the Human League, and not New Order even though they came close sometimes."

You could apply that to any number of bands from that era. Synthesizers had infiltrated popular music completely by the time Depeche Mode broke.

"Their influence permeates in a way than none of their contemporaries could even begin to match."

New Order had a far more pervasive influence on popular music (see my posts above.)

I like Depeche Mode but you're giving them credit they don't deserve.

Posted by Elastic Man on Friday, 03.19.10 @ 03:31am


There's a lot of energy wasted in this thread. Why not discuss a band that doesn't absolutely suck?

Posted by twiggyramirez on Friday, 03.19.10 @ 14:40pm


I watched a few videos of D.M. one day, waz pretty hard to take. thumbs down.

Posted by Telarock on Friday, 03.19.10 @ 15:00pm


Depeche Mode. Here's a band that:

-Never had a formal record contract with their label
-Was hated, hated, hated by the metal and hard rock community for not using guitars and for not having long hair, and the band just could care less what was thought of them.
-Had their primary songwriter leave the band right when they started to make it big
-Despite numerous albums and singles, got largely no airplay on the radio or time on MTV in the U.S. outside of LA, and besides two songs (People are people, Enjoy the Silence)
-Rarely did cover songs, and when they did, they were obscure standards not from rock
-Never got involved in politics like BandAid, LiveAid, Greenpeace, or any other charities (until very recently)
-Almost never added their work to hit compilations
-Almost never collaborated with other musicians, aside from remixes
-Rarely, if ever compromised their own artistic vision
-With the addition of Anton Corbijn, incorporated great visual art into that side of the business and raised the bar high for other acts
-Stayed focused on songwriting, production, creativity, originality, touring and on their fans
-Rode 'new wave' until it hit the shore, remaining one of the few bands that survived afterward
-Survived heroin addiction and a suicide attempt by the lead singer
-Wrote songs about getting laid, having a good time, violence, and death
-Influenced others as stated by elsewhere on this board

In short, they did what they wanted to do and didn't care about what anyone thought of them, they stayed away from fads, from contemporary wisdom in the music business, and continued to grow their fanbase, sell out shows and stadiums, and sell millions of records.

The band's interest in and work with technology pre-dated:
-the rave scene
-the Internet and www
-the tech and dotcom boom
-the world's growing infatuation with gadgets and technology

This has historical parallels. Take the early integration of the black and white races in rock music--years before the Civil rights movement.
In both cases, you could make the case that art changed the culture.

They were not the first electronic artists, nor the only ones who worked with it, but they are the most successful and widely-popularized electronic music.

If none of this is rock and roll to you, then I don't know what to say.
_______
corroso@yahoo.com

Posted by 3MTA3 on Friday, 03.26.10 @ 11:14am


depeche mode is terrible, they had one good album, and one album isn't enough to get you inducted (unless if your the Sex Pistols).

Posted by crunchypete.com on Sunday, 05.2.10 @ 15:53pm


I think all the people from their 2009-10 sold out arena tour would disagree with you crunchypete. Depeche Mode can pull in a crowd just about anywhere in the world, and they have been doing it for decades. Their records have always sold well over time, and almost always make the top 10 on the rock charts; in fact their 8th album put out after already having a multitude of hits & being together for 14 years hit #1! That's probably because they kept their sound fresh; no two albums sound the same or even really fit a precise genre. They are one of the most influential bands to come out of the UK since the Beatles. Very few current rock & roll bands WOULDN'T cite them as an influence, and its been that way for over 20 years. Today's pop music would be very different without them. Now you may not see that as a good thing personally, but you have to admit how massive their influence has been, especially when it comes to alternative rock.

BTW, why do you use crunchypete.com as a nickname when it isn't even an active website? Seems kinda silly to me. Oh, and I was wondering, does the "crunchy" part mean you're a hippie? Or perhaps some kind of candy bar?

Posted by Tim on Wednesday, 05.5.10 @ 12:37pm


I thought Depeche mode was an generic shitty synth pop band but when I heard some more I found them to be qite good.
also crunchypete, the sex pistols had two albums, but the second one was the soundtrack to a unreleased movie.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 05.12.10 @ 11:18am


Not a huge fan, but I'd be okay with their induction.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 06.29.10 @ 17:33pm


It's good to see they've at least been considered

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 07.25.10 @ 11:53am


Without question, yes. They were/are a huge influence, they changed alternative/rock music, they are still popular, they are good, talented, and even have the typical rock n roll story to boot. They are still together making music that is good, and if REM made it(who does deserve it), then so should Depeche Mode. Let's see in another year or so, after another album and another tour for another 800k people and maybe then? They should be in next year, but they aren't the only deserving that aren't in yet, so I wonder how long it will be. DM goes eventually for sure.

Posted by DDD on Monday, 08.23.10 @ 07:42am


List of artists that continue to be ignored making the HOF less credible every year in order:

1. Depeche Mode
2. Rush
3. Red Hot Chili Peppers
4. KISS
5. New Order / Joy Division
6. The Cure
7. The Smiths
8. Bon Jovi
9. Hall and Oates
10. Duran Duran
11. Motley Crue
12 Tears for Fears
13. Social Distortion
14. The Replacements
15. INXS

First ballad in 2011:
Guns and Roses

Posted by MusicFan_for_30 years on Wednesday, 09.1.10 @ 09:55am


DM still commands stadium shows around the world! that alone is a testament of DM's music thru the years! Sold 100 millions records around the world!

Actually SCREW HOF! it's a JOKE! Just put all your American Rappers and call it Whore of Fame lol..

Posted by HOF is a JOKE! on Wednesday, 09.1.10 @ 12:32pm


"List of artists that continue to be ignored making the HOF less credible every year in order:

1. Depeche Mode
2. Rush
3. Red Hot Chili Peppers
4. KISS
5. New Order / Joy Division
6. The Cure
7. The Smiths
8. Bon Jovi
9. Hall and Oates
10. Duran Duran
11. Motley Crue
12 Tears for Fears
13. Social Distortion
14. The Replacements
15. INXS"

Replace Bon Jovi with Husker Du, Tears for Fears with Kraftwerk and Hall & Oates with The Miracles (I'm not sure whether INXS are really an incorrect snub as well), and then we'd be getting somewhere. I might replace Social Distortion as well. Can you really only come up with 15 huge omissions? Actually, group New Order and Joy Division seperately and replace INXS with New Order (I like INXS by the way.)

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 09.9.10 @ 11:31am


Depeche Mode most definitely deserve tuo be in. They were packing arenas just last summer here in the USA.

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 10.6.10 @ 00:43am


They deserve it more than most other British acts, including the Cure, the Smiths and New Order. They are not only hugely influential, but are the only 80s era new wave band apart from U2 that can still claim to be a massive draw today, only last year they were filling 70,000 capacity stadiums around europe and two sellout nights at madison square garden in New York. Their last six albums have reached the US Top 10.

Posted by Paul on Thursday, 11.11.10 @ 18:49pm


Depeche Mode deserves it - but Kraftwerk should be inducted before them.

Posted by Cain on Friday, 11.12.10 @ 07:44am


To say that Depeche Mode is a crappy band is just plain ignorance seeing how they not only influenced most bands, but revoloutionized music. Like Martin said the two leaders of the new wave movement were Depeche Mode and New Order, and if that's not rock then your crazy. oh yeah plus they were able to make two cd's for all the singles they made....that has to be some sort of record. sorry but if there gonna put U2 in the hall of fame (whos just as good as Depeche Mode) and grand master flash(who sucks)and not have Depeche Mode....then they might as well discard the whole idea of it.

Posted by Stanley on Wednesday, 11.17.10 @ 12:30pm


I wouldn't really say they were the two leaders, In Britain perhaps but not In America. That honour would probably go to Blondie and somebody else.

Posted by Okay on Wednesday, 11.17.10 @ 14:23pm


Blondie and Talking Heads in the States yes.

Posted by Paul on Thursday, 11.18.10 @ 10:17am


As I said on the Duran Duran page if the hall starts inducting synthpop artists then DM are probably gonna be the first one in.

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 11.28.10 @ 10:55am


To say that Depeche Mode is a crappy band is just plain ignorance seeing how they not only influenced most bands, but revoloutionized music. Like Martin said the two leaders of the new wave movement were Depeche Mode and New Order, and if that's not rock then your crazy. oh yeah plus they were able to make two cd's for all the singles they made....that has to be some sort of record. sorry but if there gonna put U2 in the hall of fame (whos just as good as Depeche Mode) and grand master flash(who sucks)and not have Depeche Mode....then they might as well discard the whole idea of it.

Posted by Stanley on Thursday, 01.20.11 @ 04:09am


Depeche Mode will get in for sure. Over 95 million sold and surely over 100 million by the time they are done. Pretty hard to argue with that.

Posted by Jeff on Friday, 05.20.11 @ 23:43pm


Commercial: 100 million records sold, that's a hell of a lot by anyones standards.
Innovation: They were, along with new order, the first to integrate synthpop with rock as much as they did, also pioneered sampling.
Influence: Many Electro,Industrial and Post Punk revival acts cite them as an influence.

YES

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 05.21.11 @ 09:24am


Love Depeche Mode! I agree they belong in the Rock Hall of Fame. Also believe Duran Duran belongs there. Those that want these bands in the Rock Hall should unite! Please visit www.ddttrh.info to learn more about our cause and to sign our petition for Duran Duran. ~Kirk, DDTTRH

Posted by Kirk Harrington on Friday, 06.3.11 @ 07:14am


@Kirk Harrington
You come to the Depeche Mode page to promote Duran Duran? You feeling OK?

Duran Duran have their moments but they have only a slim chance of induction in my opinion, they're not exactly influential, not in the way that Depeche Mode, New Order or the Cure have been.

Posted by Paul on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 09:29am


Sorry Kirk, i guess i came on a little strong there, my apologies.

Posted by Paul on Friday, 10.14.11 @ 15:44pm


It's so sad for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. To encourage self expression in music to all poeple and Depeche Mode not in the R&RHF because it is a snub to those who express music in a non-traditional (electric guitar playing bands). Seriously, the dogma of electronic music is not true music. We live in the digital world of the 21century and the evolution music to techo, new-wave is logical a next step. Bands like DM, New Order, OMD, Erasure, Red Flag and Camouflage gave a new outlet of music for those who like to hear different styles of music. It is this style of music that help shape an era. The 80's baby!

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Posted by dmmaseoseoseo on Wednesday, 12.14.11 @ 00:56am


Depeche Mode is not a mode it is a band which trough the years has become to get good places in all over the world and has been influence for other new bands they are really musicians and they are succesful in all the things they do by group and individually too. I think they should be recognized as they are a great music electronic band.

Posted by lilian on Thursday, 12.22.11 @ 16:21pm


I wouldn't worry about it too much, lilian. If there's any act that emerged from the synthpop era the Hall will consider, they'll likely go for Depeche Mode first.

I'd like to see some others as well as pioneers mentioned, but going for Depeche Mode as the only representation seems like something the Hall would do. (Don't get me wrong, I love Depeche Mode, I'd just like to see more of the synthpop era represented/considered)

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Thursday, 12.22.11 @ 16:42pm


is very simple but important to do know. as we know they have too many bands influenced also of the few bands that have managed influence several bands,and bases of the few who have managed to merge several genres rock. electronics. gospell ska, etc. Depeche Mode and deserved the nomination for many years with U2, the Hall of Fame would not be complete without including a band as important as Depeche Mode the Hall of Fame , it is time to give the band the importance it deserves and I think that I want to please if Depeche Mode in the Hall of Fame is a great and legendary band

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Posted by JozyCawnSnona on Wednesday, 01.4.12 @ 14:29pm


Madonna made it into the hall of fame !!!! , so they open the pandora box doing so .... Depeche Mode is the greatest techno-pop-rock- alternative band in the last 32 years ??? of course they are... it doesn't matter if you like them or not..... they have to be there, they influenced a lot of people around the world..... my .0002 cents.....

Posted by German Coronel on Sunday, 01.29.12 @ 15:58pm


Ok The rules are that a band has to have been together for over 30 years so Kraftwerk should be, but are not qualified. Now Depeche Mode on the other hand have been together for over 30 years and still together!!! Plus have sold more albums than aerosmyth and Van Halen!!!!!! Get them in to the Hall of Fame you morons!! Depeche Mode has influenced more new artists of today than any other band!!

Posted by Andy Singer on Friday, 04.13.12 @ 00:15am


@Curt
Although DM isn't a rock band, the complexity of thir music, the dark atmosphere, dark lyrics and the whole aproach of their music is very much like a great rock band. They influenced a great deal of metal bands, if you look on Youtube they surely have more covers from metal bands than any other band that isn't 100% pure rock. Just listen to the compilation "For the masses"...it's just one sample of how they influenced music. For many of the metal bands leaders DM is among their favourites( Tiamat, Paradise Lost, Darkseed, Rammstein,Samael, Lacuna Coil, Anathema...and the list will go on and on..)The fact that DM isn't mainstream makes the band even more special...because special people on this world who can appreciate good music are not that many :-)) . Have a nice day !

Posted by adiscloud on Friday, 04.20.12 @ 09:49am


Music is an evolution of sound. Wether electronic or traditional. Depeche Mode uses both. Most music artist today have synthecised music one way or another.
Depeche Modes's music has always been ahead of the curb. Their music is masterful.
Dee jays will be remixing their music for many years to come. The music is hot, it's atmospheric, erotic, melodic, danceable; makes you believe in something.

Their music is religion.

Posted by Patty Dollman on Thursday, 06.21.12 @ 17:42pm


I could have not said it better myself! Good post Patty.

Posted by Brian on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 00:16am


Depeche Mode is an album band. Their singles are not even the best songs on most or their albums.
If Martin wanted to write hit singles, he could do so easily. I bet thier are loads of them in his trash can.

Posted by David on Tuesday, 04.23.13 @ 10:14am


Be honest there are only 2-3 bands/acts which survived from the 80s

for example u2. bon jovi, madonna and depeche mode

they are still successful. DM can sell out arenas in the us and worldwide. Each of their albums sell at least 1,5 million worldwide.

What happened to other 80s acts? They are poor bankrupt or want to make a comeback on low profiled reunion shows on the tv

DEPECHE MODE are even cited as inspiration by young artists like RIHANNA or FRANK OCEAN

their last hit they had in the year 2006 with precious which was ignored by us radio but still managed to reach # 71 on the hot 100

Posted by Christian on Saturday, 01.18.14 @ 12:43pm


Depeche Mode deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

How many bands can sell out 3 nights in Los Angeles, let alone be from the 80's and still be around.

I don't know of too many groups that have been remixed as often as DM has.

Along with Kraftwerk (SP?) they helped pioneered synth music

Posted by FarbonCiber on Tuesday, 02.18.14 @ 18:59pm


Depeche Mode made Personal Jesus & Enjoy The Silence my FAV of the band. Their music was hit & miss with me. I think they deserve induction but I hope Duran Duran & The Cure make it before them.

Music For The Masses & Violator were Classic albums. I read somewhere that they sold over 100 million units. That's impressive. They are deserving RRHOF. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 02.20.14 @ 22:41pm


Reasons to include DM In HOF:

Longevity, able to sustain creativity and original album tracks over 26 years plus.

Violator, often voted a must have and classic album of its era

Influenced many acts the best being La Roux and Hurts

Diversity. Listen to Martin's ballads eg Home and contrast with up tempo rockier tracks. Effortless.

Distinctiveness., You know it's them. Electro synth beats, plus baritone vocals of DG. unmistakable.

The live performance. Always a truly professional performance with one of the top five best frontmen in the business.

Sales, speak for themselves.

Loyal fan base in particular across Europe where DM are a household name. This fan base if sustained and consistent.

Don't be mad, get them in the half of fame please.

Posted by Fiona on Wednesday, 06.18.14 @ 17:37pm


They should be in already, also Joy Division, The Smiths and The Cure.

Posted by BulmaPunkRocker on Sunday, 07.6.14 @ 22:54pm


Wow! It has been 2 years since a post here for Depeche mode. Maybe the support and fan base is finally starting to wane.

I hope not. Probably a new album nest year and I feel it is almost ther tun within the next 2-3 years for the hall of fame.

The band just needs one last push of support and they can rat where they belong, in immortality, the HOF

Posted by Brian on Tuesday, 09.20.16 @ 01:35am


Finally a nomination for them, it'a about time

Posted by Christian on Tuesday, 10.18.16 @ 15:38pm


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