Tom Jones

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I believe Sir Tom Jones should be inducted into the Rock Hall because he has been entertaining thousands over the last 40 years! He is known as "The Voice" which is great! To this day, his concerts all over the world are sold out! If the Queen of England can Knight him, then why can't the United States give him this honor!

Posted by Maureen Heaney on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 18:56pm


I, too wish for Sir Tom Jones to be given this honor. He has earmed it and deserves it. He has so many fans worldwide, let's show the world that we appreciate his talent.

Posted by Anita McGraw on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 19:33pm


What artist has crossed music genres, and eras, as easily and successfully as Sir Tom? Jones "The Voice" is a living legend and has influenced many young, current and established TransAtlantic artists such as Robbie Williams and Wyclef as well those already considered "legends" such as Elvis. This is only the tip of the iceberg...so before Global Warming takes an effect on Rock and Roll, please induct Tom Jones.

Posted by Gatita on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 20:12pm


He is known as "The Voice" today, he is one of the enduring personalities in the music entertainment business. His unique vocal power, ability, and charismatic persona make him one of the most respected, admired and loved performers in modern music.

Ofc Such a Shame that he is not there yet!

GO TOM GO TOM GO TOM!

Posted by Demso on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 20:21pm


Tom Jones is known as "The Voice" and today one of the enduring personalities in the music entertainment business. His vocal power and ability and his charismatic persona make him one of the most respected and loved singers in the music business. Please induct Sir TOM JONES into the R&R Hall Of Fame!

Posted by BeBe on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 20:32pm


Tom Jones has been singing rock and roll songs for more than 40 years. He is a legend in the entertainment field and was knighted in England last year for his contributions to music. Performers of all ages all over the world jump at the chance to sing with him and learn from him.

Posted by Diane M. on Friday, 12.28.07 @ 21:57pm


Tom Jones has been in this industry for over 40 years. He is still touring around the world, selling out, venues and hasn't stopped since he left Wales. Why hasn't he been aready been inducted boggles the mind. He can sing absolouley anything that is out there and make it his own. He has been knighted by the queen in 2006. Let "Sir Tom Jones" be inducted he is a Legend and well desevres it.

Posted by Anna on Saturday, 12.29.07 @ 07:16am


Tom Jones has been in this industry for over 40 years. He is still touring around the world, selling out, and venues and hasn't stopped since he left Wales. Why hasn't he been already been inducted boggles the mind. He can sing absolutely anything that is out there and make it his own. He has been knighted by the queen in 2006. Let "Sir Tom Jones" be inducted he is a Legend and well deserves it. Can anyone else think of anyone who is still inspiring musicians that are out there and are about to surface that hasn't been influenced by Tom or is thrilled to be on the same stage as him still today. For this reason alone Tom should be inducted.

Posted by Brian.G.Stewart on Saturday, 12.29.07 @ 08:56am


If Tom Jones doesn't deserve this honor, I can't think of too many others that do! He has given happiness to many fans in this country and all over the world for over forty years with his beautiful voice and wonderful talent. There are few, No, not really anybody today that can sing with half the magnitude and soul he projects. He blows them all away! His contributions to the musical history of this country are just as important, as Elvis and others. He was wearing bling years ago and singing standards when it wasn't cool, he has always been ahead of his time. There is and never will be another Tom Jones.

Posted by Pam Stone on Saturday, 12.29.07 @ 11:21am


If Elvis Presley is in the Rock Hall, then so should Sir Tom Jones! They were very good friends. Tom has become a legend. He has entertained thousands of fans all over the world! Tom is still entertaining thousands. HE IS A LEGEND and truly deserves to be inducted into The Rock Hall, and if he is not...then something is very wrong here!

Posted by Susan Franceschetti on Saturday, 12.29.07 @ 16:27pm


No liam- Not in a VEGETABLE state, and I can even spell it correctly. Crawl back under your rock!

Posted by Pam Stone on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 08:21am


Thats Sir Thomas Woodward to you!

There is an argument to be made and I am quite capable, however, I don't feel the need to justify
my comments to you.

Posted by Pam Stone on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 08:37am


Enough! This isn't getting anyone anywhere. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if everyone in the world were a Tom Jones fan we wouldn't even be here discussing this. We love Tom, you can't change that with your disparaging remarks and we are not going to debate you, liam.

Posted by Anita McGraw on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 08:59am


Gotta say, I'm a Tom Jones fan as well. The guy has longevity on his side, he's never taken himself too seriously but he DOES have a serious set of pipes, he has adapted with the times surprisingly well (he had a serious of incredibly catchy dance hits in Europe in the 1990's, and if you doubt that he can actually rock at times, check out his version of "Gimme Shelter"). All that said, I don't know if there is a place in the Rockhall for him, I'm not sure I see lots of Tom Jones influence on rockers. He never wrote any material, it was all creative covers. So, I'd say "no" to induction for Sir Tom Jones, but as an entertaining performer, he has few competitors. What, the guy is like 200 years old now, and I saw him in Vegas last year and the show was awesome. Seriously awesome. So, I take issue with anyone bashing Tom, but I acknowledge he doesn't really belong in the Rockhall. Let's concentrate on Yes, Genesis, Peter Gabriel, King Crimson, etc. first.

Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 10:24am


Dezmond,
Thank you for disagreeing in a respectful and informative way. We are rock fans and do not need the likes of certain participants who taint this forum with insults to people who are supporting their influences. No one can argue with an ardent fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and taste in music. I am pleased to see this discussion extend beyond the typical Rockers. The interest in Tom Jones seems valid to a point, but unfortunately I agree with Dezmond. Tom Jones is indeed a force to be reckond with. He has an unbelieveable natural talent that can morph into any musical realm. Unfortunately people associate him with a certain "charicature" born in the 70's and this reputation overshadows this and people don't initially take him seriously....until he actually performs and blows everyone away. He is truly a pop culture icon and entertainer, but he is limited in the direct influences to music itself which is what the RRHF committee seems to be seeking. Maybe his award nominated television series can play a role in his mark in music history. Who knows? I also cringe and question at the list of performers who have made it, but remember this is a highly subjective process. Not to be taken as a true reflection and representation of a complete historical record of Rock history.

Posted by Simon on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 12:49pm


I am an ardent supporter of Sir Tom Jones being inducted. I saw him live for the first time last year, and was absolutely blown away by his talent and showmanship. And, I disagree that he did not provide an influence on rock and roll. Seriously, some of his covers are better than the originals. He has influenced many younger performers throughout the years, as evidenced by the number of them that list his name as someone they listened to when creating their own style. In the early days of his burgeoning career, he influenced the way concerts were managed as well because of the sheer enormity of the crowds going to see him. He has withstood the test of time and his voice and adaptablity to all musical genres is incomparable. If you read a synopsis of his legendary accomplishments, and take the time to truly listen to him, the evidence presents itself.

Posted by PK on Sunday, 12.30.07 @ 16:10pm


A HUGE thank you to this web site for deleting the offensive and inappropraite remarks from Liam who taints this site and the reps of many worthy artists with foul language which deteriorates the spirit of this open forum. Many of us agree Tom is talented, but debate whether he deserves recognition in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame... or elsewhere...Thank you to Dez andSimon for their input and respect. Apparently nomination is up to the higher powers. In the meantime, we'll let our opinions be known. Thank you FRRHF for allowing us this venue to voice our choice for "THE VOICE"!!

Posted by gatita on Monday, 12.31.07 @ 16:45pm


A quick look at the inductee list for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and I have to wonder why Tom Jones wasn't ALREADY inducted years ago?!

Many of his contempories were inducted years ago and many who were not nearly as successful... (not calling anyone out).

However, if Dusty Springfield is in shouldn't Tommy be in???!!!

This year it is Dave Clark Five & John Cougar Mellencamp ????? (I won't even comment on "Madonna" and her "talent.") What the heck???? Before TOM JONES???

Something is wrong here. There are many TJ songs there are part of pop/rock culture ... when they are heard they are triggers --- It's Not Unusual, What's New Pussycat, Thunderball, on and on. Can't think of a SINGLE song of the others named above that have the same effect.

It's time to put constant pressure on the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame to get Tom Jones inducted now!!

Posted by Renn on Tuesday, 01.1.08 @ 12:15pm


Simon, you raise a good point regarding Tom's TV show and the role it played. This is Tom Jones was a very different, innovative show compared to previous and contemporary variety shows. It was not the network's idea to have rock and roll music and acts like CSN&Y, Janis Joplin, Joe Cocker, etc., on the show -- it was Tom's. He insisted that such performances have a prominent role in his program, and thereby promoted rock and roll music to a very farreaching audience.

Posted by Diane M. on Tuesday, 01.1.08 @ 18:55pm


TOM JONES DOES DESERVE TO BE IN ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME BECAUSE HE HAS BROUGHT MUSIC TO THE US AND ALL OVER AND HAS BEEN A ROCKER SINCE THE FIFTYS AND FAMOUSE THROUGH THE 60S HE SHOULD BE THERE

Posted by MAGY on Wednesday, 01.2.08 @ 05:30am


There are no singers more worthy than Sir Tom Jones to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. He has performed to sold-out concert crowds for over 40 years. He conquers each genre of music with his powerful voice. A rocker does not have to write music as some might think. Sir Tom writes it as he sings it and makes the song truly indelibly his own. His voice and style is a mastery of what an experienced, powerful and soulful talent can do; no one can hit the notes Sir Tom has. His talent is limitless, his style unmatchable. It is long past due that Sir Tom should have been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Give the Man his props, please!!!!

Posted by mmd4tj on Wednesday, 01.2.08 @ 10:08am


"There are no singers more worthy than Sir Tom Jones to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame."

There are plenty, whether inducted or not.

"He has performed to sold-out concert crowds for over 40 years."

And that indicates nothing.

"He conquers each genre of music with his powerful voice."

Shoe-gaze, Krautrock, Machester, Rap and Britpop. There's 5 of the various generes unouched by Tom Jones.

"A rocker does not have to write music as some might think."

Go on; explain what exactly you mean by that.

"no one can hit the notes Sir Tom has."

Actually, chances are, there are plenty of singers with bigger voacl ranges than TOm Jones. I'm not saying he hasn't got a great voice, but come on.

"His talent is limitless, his style unmatchable."

That suggests that his entire discogaphy is perfect. Which, and this is coming from someone who has listened to quite a bit of it, it certainly is not.

Posted by liajm on Wednesday, 01.2.08 @ 10:15am


"He has performed to sold-out concert crowds for over 40 years."

And that indicates nothing.

This goes back to the question of commercial success and whether that is a criteria or not for the HoF. In this case, we are talking about almost 40 years and that has to count for something. Maybe not a lot, but something.

"A rocker does not have to write music as some might think."

Go on; explain what exactly you mean by that.

Yeah, what does that mean mmd4tj? We are all aware of the fact that many of the HoF inductees did not write their own music ( some Motown artists), but I am not sure if that would be held against Tom Jones. And could we refrain from using the term Rocker and Tom Jones in the same sentence. I still have horrible visions of my Mama and Aunts going gaga while watching his TV show. These are the same ladies who would drag me to church and douse me with Holy Water if they heard me playing a Beatles record.

Except for the 1st issue regarding commercial success, I have to admit that I agree with Liam here and believe me, that is very difficult for me to say. But I must admit that typing was easier since my hand wasn't balled up into a fist.

Does anyone remember the name of the guitarist that used to be his sideman. He was a regular on T.J.'s variety show. Now that boy could play.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 01.2.08 @ 11:51am


Dameon, the guitarist was Big Jim Sullivan. He toured with Tom for about five years. Tom still has an eye for great musicians as his current group shows.
Tom is planning to release a brand new CD later this year on S-curve which I believe will bolster his qualifications for induction. But his sheer talent alone - his vocal ability, power, longevity, his range and energy - takes music, including rock, to a higher level. You can nitpick over the various criteria for induction, but why miss the forest for the trees? Ignoring Tom is like pretending that the elephant in the middle of the room isn't there because he can't squeeze through the mouse holes in the walls.

Posted by Diane M. on Wednesday, 01.2.08 @ 13:04pm


Thank you Diane. Although I agree with you regarding the big picture and all that Tom Jones and others bring to the table as far as performers are concerned, I still have to wonder if their inclusion should be before RnR artists that have clearly met the "supposed' criteria but who have been kept out due to politics or the preferences of the nominating committee. Writers and critics usually have differing tastes than that of the listening audience.

It seems that unlike a sports HoF where statistics count for much of an individuals consideration, it is the opinion by many that when it comes to music, innovation and influence should be what is focused upon. I cannot discount the longevity of Tom Jones and his charted success, but besides Engelbert Humperdink, I am not quite sure who he influenced. There are artisits out there who have also been ignored, but who need to be in before Tom Jones. (Alice Cooper, Cheap Trick, ELP and Deep Purple to start)

However, with all that being said, if he was inducted one day, I certainly wouldn't scream bloody murder over it. They may get to him one day, but I don't think it will be anytime soon.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 01.2.08 @ 13:45pm


Dameon, I think Tom has had more influence than most people realize. For instance, many of the (much younger) acts he performed with on his 1999 Reload album looked to him as a strong role model in how to make good music.
Your points are well taken and I could understand better if the HoF had been more rigid and consistent in adhering to their criteria over the years. However, they have shown that there is ample room for discretion and liberal judgment in some of their past choices. When you open the door to some, it's hard to justify closing it to others who have also made significant contributions in their own ways.

Posted by Diane M. on Wednesday, 01.2.08 @ 15:22pm


Does anyone know who these people with the power are? Sure would like to contact them.

Posted by Anita McGraw on Sunday, 01.6.08 @ 09:45am


i would just like to ad.

Tom is one of the best entertainers of the last 40 years, his fans range from frank to elvis, frank zappa, jerry lee, from bono to robbie williams, he was first solo entertainer in big places like madison square garden.

In their scope, the size of venue (stadiums and large arenas played in the round), their execution and logistics Tom Jones' American tours of 1970 and 1971 were way ahead of their time. Indeed they set the benchmark for the organisation of the large arena tours that were to become the norm. Private planes between gigs, vintage champagne on tap, girls by the score is the kind of superstar excess usually associated with the Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin. Tom was there first.

His television show 'this is tom jones" run from 1969-1971, first british entertainer to enjoy such an honour.
ABC paid 22 milj $ for the first 13 weekly shows..1969!!, it was the largest contract between an individual performer and a network ever. (now second largest i believe).

He influenced countless singers to go out and have a go as an entertainer.

Nuff said.

Posted by Dre on Sunday, 01.6.08 @ 15:58pm


Tom have a truly important place in the story of music.

In pop, rock, country, gospel,blues, beat,soul...in any kind of music he is great and have class.

He have millions fans around the world that love his art. The different language,ages, sex, cultures...are not problem. Anyone is happy with his art.

In studio but too in live performances (I saw Tom on stage Viña del Mar Festival 22 Feb 2007, Chile, South America)is a master.

For that, we want and need please Tom into Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation .

Is truly wonderful give in live this honor at greatests artists. Tom give us wonderful music, a touch of class and a 'soundtrack" in our lives for be happy with all lovely ones across the years.

For that, we need give Tom thanks, and a truly wonderful way is with he place in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation .

Thank you!!!!

Posted by Alejandro Clark García on Monday, 01.7.08 @ 16:41pm


Tom Jones has been entertaining audiences for over 40 years - he has proven he can sing any kind of song. I have seen him perform many times over the years and have never been disappointed. If any singer deserves to be in the Hall of Fame it is this man. Please consider him for this. Thank you

Posted by Gail Wentzloff on Wednesday, 01.9.08 @ 09:02am


Tom Jones is a model of what a rock legend "should" be. He LOVES to sing, he loves to perform, he loves many different genres of music, he loves and respects other artists, and he loves his fans. It is time to give "The Voice", Sir Tom Jones, his due, a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Posted by Stefanie Williamson on Thursday, 01.10.08 @ 14:16pm


I have loved Sir Tom for as long as I can remember. I seen him live for the first time at the age of 12. His contributions to the music world have been nothing short of dynamic. He has had a successful career for over 40 years. He has a voice like no other. He has a following that goes from 8 to eighty and everywhere in between. A true showman. Amazing talent. Everything that he has done from his balleds filled with emotion to his rock and rhythem and blues. He does not disapoint. I think that this would be the perfect way to thank and recognize Sir Tom for his talents and passion over the past 4 decades.

Posted by michele berard on Saturday, 01.12.08 @ 13:03pm


Tom Jones is and always will be the voice. IT HAS BEEN NOTHING SHORT OF AN HONOUR to watch and listen to this man. The passion that he exudes is rare indeed. I am so grateful that the good lord blessed this man with this incredible voice. I am even more grateful that Sir Tom continues to share it with the world. Let us show him how much we truley love and appreciate him with this honour that he so greatly deserves.

Posted by michele berard on Sunday, 01.13.08 @ 10:52am


Tom Jones has been overlooked too long. He has been a prominent figure in the music world for over 40 years with, dare I say it, millions of fans around the world. THE VOICE, that God-given talent that he has, has been used to entertain and bring joy to the world. He has been honored many times throughout the world, but not here in the States. Let's remedy this situation. He has been eligible since 1990. He should have been inducted years ago.

Posted by Anita McGraw on Sunday, 01.13.08 @ 13:24pm


Tom Jones has stood out and above every singer since he first came on the scene. Tom's voice and style excels in every genre of music. Tom started early in his career singing rock, and is still rocking today with hundreds of albums sold during his forty year career. Tom has included every genre of music in his catalogue of music. He learned his craft by studying American singers popular when he was a child. From his early career singing Hold On, I'm Coming, Chills and Fever, Good Golly, Miss Molly, Proud Mary, Satisfaction to Burning Down the House, the Man has shown his talent in singing rock and roll.

Tom has had a steady career in the music industry, performing to thousands worldwide. He has a strong following of fans who feel he is the greatest performer/singer alive. Tom has never failed to give his audience the best an artist can give in his concerts. He never fails to please his fans.

As with so many great artists who are overlooked when awards are due and merited, Sir Tom Jones deserves to be nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Please do not make him a casualty of oversight; Sir Tom deserves your undivided attention!!!

Posted by Marian Dinan on Sunday, 01.13.08 @ 14:55pm


There is someone missing in the R&R HoF - Sir TOM Jones - The man, the Master, the Voice, the Legend! He who inspires new talents, teams with great artists and and makes every cover his own. R&R is his soul, R&B his heartbeat and with his God-given voice he makes every song unforgettable.
Take a minute and listen to his recordings and go and watch him LIVE but be prepared to get blown away....

Posted by BeBe on Sunday, 01.13.08 @ 18:17pm


Tom Jones "The Voice" is a living legend. He has an unique vocal power, his talent and charisma are uncomparable. Tom Jones really deserves to be given this honour.

Posted by bluerose on Monday, 01.14.08 @ 06:38am


Tom Jones is greatest live allround singer; his gigantic repertoire include many " un-discover" live performed songs, for example, "Walk On Bay" ..and maany more

Posted by Dimitrije on Monday, 01.14.08 @ 06:49am


Liam - go to one of TOMs shows and you find your answer :)

Posted by BeBe on Monday, 01.14.08 @ 18:50pm


Liam, After all the strong arguments on this site, what would you consider a "strong" argument???????!!!!!! I find it hard to believe you are so hard to convince if you are at all familiar with the career of Sir Tom Jones!!!!

Posted by Marian on Monday, 01.14.08 @ 21:19pm


Liam, Your remarks are becoming laughable!! Let me see if you can give a strong argument for any of the members of the R&R Hall of Fame....and why they are now members.

Posted by mmd4tj on Monday, 01.14.08 @ 21:21pm


Tom Jones is a living legend, it`s impossible to compare him with any other singer in the world. Nowadays he keeps his extraordinary and powerful voice.Tom Jones has everything: voice, talent, charisma, a very seductive personality. Tom Jones has a truly important place in the story of music, in pop, rock, country, gospel, blues, beat, soul....., in every kind of music he is great and has an unique style, he performs everything in a wonderful way. Tom Jones really deserves the honour to be inducted into the Rock and Roll of Fame. I can´t believe it, it`s incredible that he is not there yet.

Posted by Bluerose on Tuesday, 01.15.08 @ 05:42am


If you can quote the reasons while you are asleep, why can't you do it while you are awake. I know the artists you mention, you say, deserve to be in the HOF, but you didn't really give their qualifications. If you consider rock music as opposed to rock and roll, I could almost make these two separate genres. As I have gone back through Tom's music career, and listened to his early rock and roll, he is as worthy as Elvis as their styles were so similar. If "hard" rock is the only worthy genre to qualify a nominee, I will admit Tom has few songs in that category. Is that the point you are trying to make? If so, there are numerous members who have been inducted on the same type music.

Posted by Marian on Wednesday, 01.16.08 @ 00:06am


"he is as worthy as Elvis"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by blue on Wednesday, 01.16.08 @ 07:53am


You do refuse to get off that one point about how many musicians did Tom Jones influence? Do you really know the percentage of musicians other inductees have influenced? I would believe Tom has influenced as many as the Beatles. I really don't hear many musicians singing Beatle/style songs. Tom has been around much longer than the Beatles group, per se, and still has a viable music career. He has influenced many singers in the UK, and has certainly held his reputation as one of the greatest singers of the last 40 years. Frank Sinatra thought Tom had the greatest voice he had heard...does that count? Do record sales count in your list of qualifications?

And, to put it bluntly, you are rude!!!!

Posted by Marian on Wednesday, 01.16.08 @ 13:39pm


Good point, Marion. The Beatles weren't very influential.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 01.16.08 @ 14:14pm


I would believe Tom has influenced as many as the Beatles. I really don't hear many musicians singing Beatle/style songs.

Marian - I admire your appreciation for Tom Jones and all that he is as a performer, but I think you lost your arguement with the above comment. It is unlikely that Tom Jones even exists as the artist he has been for the last 40 years if it wasn't for the Beatles and the British pop sensability they brought to music. The Bealtles as a recording entity lasted 7 years; their influence can be heard in pop/rock songs you have heard on the radio since 1964. Now I am not saying the Beatles were totally innovative; they created their unique style by incorporating and updating styles that came before them. But their influence is off the charts. I don't know that I can name one singer that I can clearly say was influenced by Tom Jones. That is not to say they don't exist; it is just an opinion based on what I have heard through the years.

Frank Sinatra thought Tom had the greatest voice he had heard...does that count?

Sinatra's opinion counts - I would dare say that Tom Jones is part Sinatra, part Elvis and part Beatles. I can see the influence those artists had on him. I just don't see his influence in the music and artists that came after.

Do record sales count in your list of qualifications?

According to most opinions of the HoF and many of those who comment on this site, commercial sales/success is the lowest of all criteria for making the Hall. I don't know that I would agree with this, but I certainly understand the logic. The Back Street Boys sold millions of albums but I don't see how that success can correlate into their induction into the HoF in the future. At least I hope not. But I do think sales and success of tours should count for something.

And, to put it bluntly, you are rude!!!!

Now most people would agree with you on this. Liam can get rude when trying to make his point. But he his fairly harmless.

Now, don't you wanna get back to jacking to the beat of that Prince cover?

Liam - getting tough with the likes of me and Anon is all fine and well. Telling a young lady such things is in poor taste, even for you.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 01.16.08 @ 14:35pm


Thank you Dameon: It seems to me that Liam has no life other than criticizing people who have proven talent. Even though "Hard Rock" is not my thing, there are those that love it, and I would not use my precious time to beat them down, as Liam seems intent to do to those whose music he doesn't appreciate. Maybe he has a tin ear from listening to all that loud music. I won't even try to justify my love for Tom's music to a him. He's not worth my time and effort, but Tom is.

Posted by Anita on Wednesday, 01.16.08 @ 17:53pm


PLEASE GIRLS! DON´T WASTE YOUR BREATH!, IT`S NOT WORTH TALKING TO THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE....., WE KNOW WHO IS SIR TOM JONES AND THE TRULY IMPORTANT PLACE THAT HE HAS IN THE STORY OF THE MUSIC. TOM JONES PERFORMS EVERY KIND OF MUSIC IN A WONDERFUL WAY. HE HAS AN EXTRAORDINARY AND POWERFUL VOICE WITH AN UNIQUE STYLE. IT`S COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPARE TOM JONES WITH ANY OTHER SINGER IN THE WORLD. TOM JONES REALLY DESERVES THE HONOUR TO BE INDUCTED INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME.

Posted by BLUEROSE on Thursday, 01.17.08 @ 09:28am


IT`S NOT WORTH TALKING TO THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE.

And what kind of people are we?

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 01.17.08 @ 10:30am


Now, isn't there some genre you need to belittle just because of personal ignorance, D?

I have never belittled any sub-genre of rock; well maybe disco. You and Shawn get crazed if you read one word that is to your dislike and you look past everything else that is being written. You and Shawn got pissed because it was my belief that some bands who are typecast in a specific genre, specifically "post-punk" might get overlooked by the RRHoF. No one has proved me wrong yet. Unless I have lost basic understanding of the English language; the term "post" means after. Music was being labeled with so many different names after "78" that it was not even funny:
Post-punk
New Wave
Alternative dance
House
Synthpop
Alternative rock
Techno
Gothic
College
New Romantic
Indie

I think Post-punk is a weak name. I used Post-Punk because Joy Division is clearly defined as such and I think they fill most of the HoF criteria and they are getting no play. However, J.D's offspring, New Order is labeled under several of these sub-genres as are bands as diversified as REM, The Cure, U2, and many others. And I believe that New Order and the Cure will find themselves inducted one day. I was just commenting that I thought this might be one of the reasons a worthwhile band like Joy Division might get overlooked. I also made a personal observation that when bands like Joy Division played in NYC at the time, they were not being billed as a post-punk band. I was there, so I think my observation has merit. And I got ripped apart for being a narrow-minded city dweller for that. The two of you took it as a personal afront and thought I was shooting down the band and the vibrant music scene that it came from. All I was doing was rehashing my old arguement that all these sub-genre titles that appeared after 'punk' take away from the actual artistry of the bands who wrote and performed the music. In fact, it may even hurt a few worthy bands. I think the samething is happening to some Metal/Hard Rock bands. They have been pigeonholed into a genre that is not liked by the HoF, therefore, they are being kept out.

So there is my personal ignorance. If you feel I am way off base; then that is fine. But your continued need to put down people who disagree with you is just impotent. Just disagree and be done with it. Tell me why you disagree with my points and maybe I will learn something. Maybe I will come around to your thinking, who knows. But it is sad to me that two intelligent gents like yourself and Shawn feel the need to step on others opinions. Sometimes opinions are not shared by all, but they are still allowed to be shared without being taken to such an extreme task for it.

And remember, the only time anyone puts you down is when you get mouthy and vulgar.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 01.17.08 @ 13:48pm


My point is that I am not begrudging any of these bands. Perhaps if Joy Division had gotten a chance to show America what they were all about, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. They were an excellent band that got cut short. All I was saying is that during that time, none of the shows were billed as Post-punk, Alternative, New Wave or anything like that. I am afraid that these idiots sometimes base their votes on the genre and not on the art of the actual band.

I know you are being sarcastic when getting mouthy, but don't do it with the ladies. Maybe you should just explain your point and accept the fact that someone may or may not agree.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 01.17.08 @ 15:52pm


It's actually probably who they like more, or who they've heard more of.

I do believe there is prejudice against certain genres and sun-genres.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 01.18.08 @ 04:48am


Only 48 more days and I will see Tom LIVE. Cannot wait. There are many types of Rock, and Tom sings more "SOFT ROCK" AND the old, real "rock 'n' roll. The kind that started this whole thing. So, if it weren't for people like Tom, there would BE NOT ROCK 'N' ROLL.

Posted by Anita on Friday, 01.18.08 @ 05:10am


I hope the members of the nominating committee will view the This is Tom Jones Rock 'n' Roll Legends DVD set that was released a few months ago. Tom's performances with Janis Joplin, Little Richard, Aretha Franklin, etc. show how good rock and roll songs can be made even better to appeal to a wider audience.

Posted by Diane M. on Friday, 01.18.08 @ 06:56am


SOUNDS TO ME LIKE "LIAM" IS A RETART LOOKING FOR ATTENTION. GET A LIFE GUY!! We get the point you don't like Tom Jones, but, WE DO!!!!! SO MOVE ON.

Posted by Jessica Berlin on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 04:05am


"SOUNDS TO ME LIKE "LIAM" IS A RETART"

Retart? Is that like a Pop-Tart?

Posted by Blue on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 09:31am


Liam,

One thing is to disagree, the other is to be insulting and vulgar. It reflects your sad state fo mind.

I have contacted the site manager to get your comments removed AGAIN and to have you banned altogether. I see your rudeness is not limited to Tom.

We fans appreciate a thoughtful debate and this forum to celebrate and express our appreciation of Tom Jones. He has won many INTERNATIONAL coveted awards to prove that we are not alone in our valid opinion.

Liam, you can disagree as many have, but they have done it respectfully AND they have encouraged insightful discussion from people of all nationalities and with varying tastes in music. Some opposing comments have even led to more research and drive from the fans.

You, Liam, have tainted this site with insults, perversion and an unreasonable and embarrassing sense of superiority. It is actually quite sad and humorous that you spend so much time on Tom's site berating us. Have you no other hobby? You have proven to be unworthy of further attention.

I implore everyone participating in this forum to please ignore and disregard Liam future participation and comments. You are feeding fuel to the fire. He obviously is not stable. I think what he needs are prayers.

I congratulate and thank the fans for sticking to their guns and for supporting Tom Jones. We know what he deserves and whether he gets into the RnR Hall of Fame or not, we know that he is a living legend and that everyone- whether fans or not- cannot deny his true talent and place in music history.

Liam: I'm sorry but your future insult and break down of my commentary will not have any effect...or be read...if only it maintains Tom on the Hot List....so thank you!

Posted by Gatita on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 13:37pm


Doesn't it irritate you how so many of these moist pantied fans keep referring to Tom as "Sir" Tom Jones? As if that silly empty label signifies a higher reverence we should have.

I like "What's New Pussycat?" as much as anyone and recognize that he has a strong voice and a certain kitchy longevity - he's great fun when he's not taken too seriously - but he's been a Vegas act for a few decades now. He's harmless fun, but not close to Hall of Fame material. Anyone who thinks with earnest that he is is not in touch with reality and disqualifies their opinion.

Posted by Blue on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 13:56pm


It appears to me that Blue and Liam are the same person, and I will attest to the fact all the positives on this forum are individuals, not aliases.

I do hope the moderator of this forum will delete the vulgar posts I am still seeing on this site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by mmd4tj on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 15:35pm


Liam: Two days ago you copied a comment that I made and changed my name to a vulgar obsenity. I know you could care less, but I resent what you did. and...blue I also resent your snide little remark. I am a 65-year-old grandmother and a great grandmother, not what you referred to in your nasty little comments. I am not a crazed teenager but a mature woman who believes that Tom deserves this honor and am more than willing to stand up for him and work to do what I can to make it happen. You, liam and blue have the right to believe what you believe and we have our right to believe what we believe without being cursed at and called vulgar names. There are laws against defamation of character in America but since you hide behind anonymity, you will get away with it.

Posted by Anita on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 18:21pm


Anita I am sorry you chose to take such personal offense to my comment; I was just making a comical reference to Tom's notorious status as a lady's favorite.
My commentary was actually tame, logical and to the point without being reckless or insulting. You would do well to calm down and remember that open forums on the web may not be for a delicate flower such as yourself.
This is nothing.

Posted by Blue on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 18:59pm


Thank you Blue. I appreciate your apology. I really am not such a "delicate flower", I am also not a saint, but I do get discouaged when I am on line and see so many obsenities. Anyway thank you again for the apology.

Posted by Anita on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 21:03pm


HEHE these comments lol, what a pathetic ppl (few here)Totally childish ppl.. Well i hope these kids have time to grow up! lol

Tom Jones To Hall Of Fame!!! OFC!!!

Here some High/Low Notes that Tom sang in his TV SHOW!

Tom Jones has a wide range of voice which allows him double high C. Here are a few samples of high notes and low notes he sang, together with Pavarotti's high C, with which he was called "King of High C".

from "Till" (G)
from "Tunderball" (B flat)
from an aria from "La Figlia del Reggimento"(Luciano Pavarotti) (high C)
from "I've Been Loving You Too Long" (high D)
Lows:
from "I Know" (low C)
from "He'll Have To Go" (double low B flat)
from "It's Just A Matter Of Time" (double low A)
from "In Dreams" (double low G)
from "Somebody Out There Will" (double low E flat)


Posted by Demso on Sunday, 01.20.08 @ 17:15pm


Demso - I don't think anyone is doubting his singing/vocal ability or the live performances he has consistently given to his fans.

It is the opinion by most that HoF induction is based on innovation, influence and domination of their era. Commercial success and ability with their instrument is not very high on the criteria list. In Tom Jones case, his voice is his instrument.

However, we have learned that politics is clearly the strongest of all criteria. If J. Wenner has his dog and pony show like a musician/artist, then the path to induction is a little more paved. If they are not liked, no chance!

I doubt Tom Jones will be inducted. It is nothing personal ladies. Tom Jones is a hybrid of Sinatra, Elvis and the Beatles. I admit that he did this well, but I don't think it is enough.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 01.21.08 @ 05:56am


Dameon, sorry i try little get ppl over these stupid comments..So why i cant put one fact atleast..

Robbie said that Tom influenced him and so did Tom for Bono..

Those dont have the voice tho..But good ones ofc!

Tom influence actually came from rocknroll Jerry Lee Lewis and so on.. He was more rocker when he started.. Not a heavyweight crooner/rocker/blue eyed soul singer, and for me Sinatra and Tom is pretty far away from each others.. Sinatra was light easylisten singer..

But Madonna to HoF what can i say?? And i actually like few of her songs.. And i dont hate Madonna...

And sorry if my English isnt good, i can take the critic about it too.. Thanks.. Tom&HoF sounds good!

And i actually think that Tom has influenced many and is respected much in young bands and so on..
But i wonder why ppl cant say it.. maybe becouse some ppl cant take Tom Serious what is a shame.. But sex always will be part of Jones.. But i think Tom should be in Hall Of Fame, but i didint came here to slap others opinions, im fine with the other comments too, as long as the comments dont say bad about others... Ty sorry i almost write a bible but anyway..

Posted by Demso on Monday, 01.21.08 @ 11:33am


Demso - actually it is Sinatra's presence on stage which Tom studied very carefully. Tom is an excellent interpretor of songs. Also, an artist can be influenced by those outside his/her genre. And there is no doubt that some singers have picked up things from Tom Jones, but again, I just don't think it will be enough to get him in. But that is just my opinion.

Enjoy the music you love. There is nothing wrong with being a fan.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 01.21.08 @ 17:10pm


"Jones' popularity began to slip somewhat in the 66, causing Mills to redesign the singer's image into a more respectable, mature, tuxedoed crooner."

I tbh i dont see much sinatra in Tom, becouse Sinatra didint influence Tom, Like Jerry and Elvis did + Black Musicians (Burke) etc...

Like i said more robust baritone, rocker wih true blue eyed soul..

For me tbh he is in his own category, like Elvis was with among others...

Posted by Demso on Tuesday, 01.22.08 @ 05:22am


Like i said more robust baritone, rocker wih true blue eyed soul..

There is only one "Blue Eyes"

Anyway, it doesn't really matter; we see things differently, but there is nothing wrong with that. I was not talking about octaves. I was talking about the Tuxedo crooner. I don't know who Mills is, but I guarantee he watched a lot of Sinatra.

Enjoy him Demso. I am certainly not trying to disregard your opinions, tastes and likes. I would venture to guess that I know many Tom Jones afficianados.

Liam - you seem to have been deleted from most records!

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.22.08 @ 05:39am


Dameon, Gordon Mills is one of greatest managers..
by making a star of Tom Jones, Engelbert Humperdinck, Gilbert O'Sullivan and Lynsey De Paul.

But Tom was always the most important thing to him..

Tom Parker asked from Gordon if he could manage Tom aswell, but Gordon declined..

Well Gordon saw Tom first time in wales, Gordon is welsh too.. When Tom was singing rock songs...

Yeah im pretty fine with your comments, i just try to prove everything that i know about Thomas Woodward...

Well i think Gordon only changed Toms image becouse he was known for his overt sexuality, before this was as common as it has become in subsequent years and it was more better style for ABC series This Is Tom Jones.. Record companies were finding his style and delivery to be too abrasive and raw..

I dont have problem with you!
And you make atlest nice comments!:)

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.22.08 @ 10:12am


Dameon sorry i put with ur name :D lol sorry, we have almost same names so dont care about it its my post!

Posted by Demso on Tuesday, 01.22.08 @ 10:22am


Is writing on this site part of a passivity workshop for you or something, Dameon? You seem like a seething Hulk trying to keep his pinky up and use the right spoon. On the one hand you throw out a thinly veiled desire to smash my face (the cigarette aside), and in here you try so hard to find approval from the I Heart Tom Jones scrapbooking crowd.
You kinda creep me out, man.

Posted by Blue on Tuesday, 01.22.08 @ 11:15am


Gordon Mills passed away in the 80's. Since that time Tom's son Mark Woodward hae been his manager. I think Gordon's death really affected Tom, they were very close. Gordon discovered him, perfected his image, and was with him from the beginning.

Posted by Anita on Tuesday, 01.22.08 @ 13:00pm


On the one hand you throw out a thinly veiled desire to smash my face (the cigarette aside),

This was not a thinly veiled anything. I am sorry you took it that way. I was making fun of my smoking habit and the absurdity of my telling myself that it keeps me calm. It had nothing to do with you. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding - I was just trying to make a joke.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.22.08 @ 13:10pm


My bad Dameon -- apologies for assuming the wrong context. You should kick that smoking habit, my man!

Posted by Blue on Tuesday, 01.22.08 @ 16:32pm


Funny how many of us do see Tom as a crooner since he sings the ballads with so much soul and depth. However, in several interviews I've read he has stated that he is not a crooner, but a rocker at heart. For those interested, go to You Tube and look up his earlier 1965 videos for "What I'd Say" and "Chills and Fever". He did thses songs before "It's Not Unusual". Then look up the videos from his shows where he sings with Joe Cocker and Janis Joplin. He certainly keeps up with those rockers.

(By the way, Blue, just as an aside, Tom hated "What's New Pussycat?" when he first heard it. He actually thought Burt Bacharach was playing a joke on him. Yet he made this quirky song work not only for the Woody Allen movie, but for many years to come, in a way only he can...)

Thanks again for those disagreeing respectfully.

Posted by gatita on Tuesday, 01.22.08 @ 19:29pm


There are so many TJ fans out there I wish we could reach them all. Check out the YouTube comments and posts and you can see what an impact he has. You can actually understand the lyrics of every song and your ears are not assaulted with incredible noise and obsenities in the songs he sings. He sings, he doesn't scream, hence THE VOICE.

Posted by Anita on Saturday, 01.26.08 @ 08:49am


Over 40 years giving a touch of class at the music story.

Powerful and tender in all musical style.

Taste of old and young generations.

Friend of Elvis, who was a big fan of "The Tiger"

Very known and love around the world.

Yes, this is Sir Tom Jones!!!!

The place into 'Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and

Museum' is for him this time !!!!

Posted by Alejandro Clark García on Sunday, 01.27.08 @ 12:35pm


Liam - You are from the UK - was Tom Jones ever knighted by the Queen?

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 01.27.08 @ 15:58pm


Dameon: He most certainly was...December 2006

Posted by Anita on Sunday, 01.27.08 @ 16:39pm


Thnx!

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 01.27.08 @ 18:27pm


I am so deeply saddened that some people are not giving Sir Tom the respect and recognition that he so deserves. I agree that Tom is as worthy as Elvis. Tom Jones has demonstated that he is not afraid to try new things. And might I add been quite successful. He has made a mass contribution to the music industry. Oh and by the way the title Sir Tom most certainly is a great honour. And it holds importance. Recognition from the queen herself. So I guess that all who have been knighted by the queen in the past bare no importance?? Tom has my vote. Infact I think it is long over due. Michele

Posted by michele berard on Monday, 01.28.08 @ 14:29pm


"I agree that Tom is as worthy as Elvis."

And you probably also agree that Engelbert Humperdink is as worthy as Bob Dylan too, Celine Dion as worthy as Aretha Franklin, huh?
You're high, lady. Go smoke a Clay Aiken cd.

If we were discussing the randy chest hair hall of fame, then you'd be right on.

If I see that nauseatingly goofy "Sir Tom Jones" thing pulled out again by one of these panty throwers I'm going to shart.

Posted by Blue on Monday, 01.28.08 @ 14:57pm


Blue damn you are pathetic, panty throwers and the sex has always been part of Tom and always will be. If you cant see the talent and and other things in Tom, are you blind?

"If I see that nauseatingly goofy "Sir Tom Jones" thing pulled out again by one of these panty throwers I'm going to shart." -blue

Sir Tom Jones?

Go Go Blue you alredy made yourself pretty childish..

Posted by Demso on Monday, 01.28.08 @ 23:54pm


I personally have nothing against panty and bra throwers. I just hope the 65 - 80 y.o.'s don't star throwing their girdles and Depends around! ;-) Don't worry Demso - Sex has always been part of RnR and will always be part of it (I hope). Let's just keep it civil and everyone past 50, keep it in your own bedroom. Don't share with me at a concert venue. ;?

Blue - what is shart? Is that another term for sh*t? And if it is, don't tell me, I don't need to know. I do appreciate you keeping the language clean. Speaking of language, where has Liam gone?

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.29.08 @ 06:29am


First of all, Tom doesn't like the panty throwing anymore. His "over 50" fans are more mature than that and I think most of his younger fans respect his request not to throw. Wait until you guys reach this age, you might be grateful if a "panty thrower" came your way. lol

Posted by Anita on Tuesday, 01.29.08 @ 07:42am


Ha-ha! Good point, Anita!
Look fangirls, I DO give Tommy Boy his due and admire his longevity, I enjoy his brazen open shirt/ medallion character he delivers with a wink - I get it and I say "You go, boy!"
At 67 I give him kudos for a great career doing what he does, having that 500 horse power voice.

OK?

All I am saying is let's keep him in proper perspective and not "throw our panties" figuratively -- he is what he is. He almost immediately began playing Vegas once he scored commercially in '65 with "It's Not Unusual" and "What's New, Pussycat", and that has been his forte since - his recording career has been modest, almost exclusively fun covers -- kitchy stuff. No problem, but you are positively delusional... silly and misguided if you keep insisting that the guy is a legitimate rock artist who belongs in a hall of fame, seriously, beside the likes of Elvis Presley or Elvis Costello or Prince or Stevie Wonder or even John Mellencamp.

Tom Jones is an ACT -- a Vegas performer -- sure, a consumate showman, but NOT a Hall worthy musician, songwriter, artist. Stop embarrassing yourselves by elevating him inappropriately -- get real. Look around, ladies!

I am not bashing Tom -- I am bashing your fangirl insanity.

Now get out your purses and start swinging again -- I can take it all day!

Dameon: I will spare us all a graphic definition of what "shart" is. Instaed, I refer you to the movie "Along Came Polly", and the infamous museum scene between Ben Stiller and Phillip Seymor Hoffman. Funny, funny scene and movie. "Good 'tings, good 'tings."

Posted by Blue on Tuesday, 01.29.08 @ 08:12am


Indeed, where HAS our esteemed collegue Liam gone - what is his fate?
I fear the worst; me thinks the cockney pub abrasiveness that was the default personality of the poor bloke did him in finally, and OZ gew so weary of his brutish ways that Liam has been blackballed - immediately deleted if not outright blocked. Too bad, because Liam actually was quite knowledgable and had some good contributions when he could resist smashing people with his pint of ale. I miss him. perhaps he will be forgiven and allowed back in eventually. I would like to speak with him again.
OZ is benevolent, but he has his limits.

On this note, I am enjoying the absence of a certain "anonymous" assbag very, vert much! The neighborhood has been notably improved since he was banished. Thank you OZ!!!!!!!

Posted by Blue on Tuesday, 01.29.08 @ 08:20am


Indeed, where HAS our esteemed collegue Liam gone - what is his fate?
I fear the worst; me thinks the cockney pub abrasiveness that was the default personality of the poor bloke did him in finally

I warned young Liam many times about his choice of words. He sometimes aggravated me to a point of responding to him just based on anger, but in the end, I never took him and such talk too seriously. He even said that he used vulgarity as sarcastic exclamation points to his comments more than anything else. And his devotion to the 2nd and 3rd generations of British Pop was admirable. I did take out my old Joy Division and New Order albums out for a listen because of him. Along with Shawn, he made me aware of the supposed importance of the term and sub-genre of Post-Punk. I always assumed this music to be covered under the genre of New Wave/Alternative. So I give both of them Kudos for that. And in a way, they only reinforced my idea that the knuckleheads who make up the majority of the nomination committee for the HoF have prejudices against many sub-genres.

Perhaps if Liam promises to be nice, OZ will let him back. Speaking of MIA, my Hard Rock and Def Leppard nemesis Shawn has also disappeared. I miss his screaming at me.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.29.08 @ 11:42am


I refer you to the movie "Along Came Polly"

Sorry, I cannot watch anything that has Ben Stiller in it. He makes me cringe. I will google the word instead.

Ladies - Blue does make a point with the direction T.J. took his career in the late 60's. He did not really try and expand his horizons. I dare say that if the Beatles had not moved past "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah" that they would not have been inducted into the HoF. They would be langusihing with the Hermans Hermits. I would also say that some artists used the Tom Jones TV show to expand their horizons - get their music out to an audience that might not otherwise listen to them. T.J. deserves credit for that as well.

T.J. was not the first artist to cause ladies to swoon. I believe Sinatra sits at the head of that table. But this does not take away from Tom Jones worth. It is just that his contributions did not affect the overall conciousness of Rock and Roll. He knew who his main audience was and played his heart out to them. And good for him and his understanding of what was important to them. I think some artists forget who their fans are. Tom Jones never did, which is why you are so protective of him and his reputation. If they ever have a "Vocalist" HoF, I would hope that he would be inducted.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.29.08 @ 11:56am


I concur with that Dameon. In a either a Vocalist's or even a pure Performer's HOF, Tom Jones is an icon and a shoe-in. He is good fun.
I would like to catch him in Vegas before he stops performing; Dezmond raved about his show a few posts back here and i may just get tickets next time I drive over to Sin City.

"She's a la-a-a-a-dy...whoa-oh-oh-oh-oaaaaa she's a la-a-a-ady!!!"

Please stop calling him Sir Tom though, please --- i beg you. My underwear begs you.

Posted by Blue on Tuesday, 01.29.08 @ 12:17pm


Please stop calling him Sir Tom though, please --- i beg you. My underwear begs you.

Whatever you do, please don't go throwing them at anyone.

Surprisingly, the Queen did knight him. But Blue is correct; we don't go around calling Paul Mac as Sir Paulie. And believe me, Blue and I don't always agree on things.

Besides, if you claim to be a Rock and Roller, then I would doubt you would want to be called Sir. Reminds me of that awful television commercial that has been running for months (Sir Charge).

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.29.08 @ 12:38pm


Oz, did you get that email?

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 01.29.08 @ 12:46pm


I've been a fan of Tom since I first heard him. He was my first concert and I've seen him over 25 times since. I will keep seeing him till the day I die. His voice is the best in pop, classical, rock no matter what. I LOVE Tom!! I would love to see him in the Hall of fame. Its a long time coming. I've kissed him twice, and will forever remember it.

Posted by Crissy on Tuesday, 01.29.08 @ 20:41pm


The story of the universal music have a place for Tom.

For that, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum must have a place for Tom.

Is Tom time now !!!!

Posted by Alejandro Clark García on Wednesday, 01.30.08 @ 18:56pm


Tom Jones deserves to be in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame. Tom started off in rock and roll over 40 years ago, and is still rocking. He has the voice and style that can conquer any style of music, and master it to perfection!! He has a style that no artists have been able to imitate. I believe it is because he is so incomparable, no singer will give it a try.

I hope the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame will induct Tom soon; he has outsung every artist since the 1960s when he first came on the music scene, so it is about time for him to get this honor.

Posted by Cathy on Friday, 02.1.08 @ 00:07am


Tom Jones is a living legend. Needless to say his voice is beyond compare. He also gave a great live performance. In the midst of the British Invasion and the rise of rockin' "bands", Tom Jones stood out as a rockin' vocalist with many chart toppers during this era. He's a living legend and will always be an icon of Rock and Roll, especially in the 60's and 70's. He deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!!!

Posted by Frank on Sunday, 02.3.08 @ 07:41am


One thing about Tom Jones...you DEFINITELY know its him when he opens his mouth!!!

Posted by Terry on Sunday, 02.3.08 @ 12:41pm


Tom is one of the most diverse singers EVER. He can jam with Little Richard and (in my opinion) sound better than Richard himself in such songs as "Lucille & Good Golly Ms Molly" to the most heart-wrenching "I who have nothing". Such a POWERFUL voice. Who else do we know that can pull off such a range of songs? I can't think of anyone..can you? His longevity in this fickle music business is amazing. I've enjoyed his singing since he came to prominence so many years ago and understsand why he has such "staying power"!! What a showman! Why, I may have even lost a pair of underwear to him on stage so long ago. ;-) He certainly has my vote to be inducted into the RR Hall of Fame.

Posted by Joyce on Sunday, 02.3.08 @ 18:14pm


And a honor to vote for in Sir Tom Jones, a great world talent, that it continues strong.
Thank.

Posted by Ademar on Tuesday, 02.5.08 @ 15:31pm


There are very few, if any that can belt out a song with such conviction, passion and raw energy like Tom Jones. His voice control and his ability to sing songs from all musical genre is unmatched to this day. His voice is his instrument and how he delivers the song is his art. Over the many years that he has performed he has undoubtedly been a huge influence on many of the rock vocalists of past and present, and without doubt will influence many in the future. Tom Jones deserves to be in the RnR Hall of Fame. He has my vote.

Posted by chris stace on Tuesday, 02.5.08 @ 18:04pm


You mean the one and only man known today as
"THE VOICE" from yesterday and still today is not in the R&R hall of fame yet???
He not only deserve it, but he's waaayyy over due.
Iv seen this man perform live over a dozen times and each time I have heard him sing, I swear he sounds even richer and powerful then before.
Besides all that music strength in his vocal cords, the man loves the people as much as the people love him and his music.

Experienced & Advance Music Listener with a MWD phd.
Angie Alaniz aka
BlogCatalog.com

btw - MWD = Music With Demand ;)


Posted by Angie ALaniz on Wednesday, 02.6.08 @ 03:48am


tom jones should be in the hall of fame he is a major person in rock and roll he still gives show that are ful of power if dave clarks band can so shou he be rewarded with this honor

Posted by magy on Wednesday, 02.6.08 @ 18:56pm


SIR TOM JONES SHOULD BE INCLUDED .OVER 40 YEARS ROCKIN AND ROLLING HE SHOULD BE THERE .AS FOR THE PANTIE THROWING IT DOES'NT HAPPEN THAT MUCH ANYMORE.IT SHOULD'NT GET IN THE WAY OF THE MAN'S TALENT. THE VOICE .

Posted by TOJO on Sunday, 02.10.08 @ 14:51pm


I think Tom is one of the best that has ever been in the buis. He should have been in the hall of fame years ago.

Posted by raksdog on Tuesday, 02.12.08 @ 09:37am


Sir Tom Jones is long overdue for this honor. He
has the greatest voice in the music field. I think
he has been overlooked, for reasons I cannot figure out. Please consider the great performer
and talent in your next choice.
Thanks in advance for your assistance,
Martha Cleveland

Posted by Martha Cleveland on Thursday, 02.14.08 @ 18:32pm


It sure is great seeing Tom get so many votes. Still stirring up more fans to join us. There are thousands, just need to reach them.

Posted by Anita on Monday, 02.18.08 @ 16:31pm


Let's face the facts, the man is a God given gift to us from above . He has endured beyond all odds and should be in there , just because of his beautiful voice . The man can out sing anyone in this world . Tom has out lasted over 40 years and still going strong as ever. His performances are just breathe -taking with an ever lasting mind blowing experince .That no other performer as even come close to the affect that he has on his fans.Forever faithful to him

Posted by Mattie Marchini on Tuesday, 02.19.08 @ 19:17pm


He's already been knighted...I think canonizing would be a stretch!!! He's been a great entertainer for years, let's leave it at that!!

Posted by Terry on Tuesday, 02.19.08 @ 19:30pm


Just saw Tom on Wednesday night. I was in awe of the divergence of his fans...everyone from teenagers to the elderly...much younger and much older than Tom, and, of course those in between. He put on a fantastic show and dare I say EVERYONE walked out of the place either a new fan or a reconstituted old fan or a revitalized all-time fan. The man just doesn't stop. As my son said to me recently after seeing him in Vegas. Mom, He's still got it. I say Yes, he's still got it and MORE. Long live Sir Tom Jones!

Posted by Anita on Saturday, 03.8.08 @ 16:41pm


I have been a Tom Jones fan for over 40 years. His voice is truly incredible and seems only to get stronger with the years. Anyone who doubts whether or not he should be included in the RNR Hall of Fame should review his history and watch the DVD's of his TV show that have just been released. When almost everyone had turned their backs on Jerry Lee Lewis, one man had the clout (and the internal fortitude) to demand that Jerry Lee be a guest on his show and got his way. Many people may not know how wildly successful Tom was in the 60's and 70's. And those of us who love his voice so know that his abilities have never dimmed. For his past, present and future, he definitely should be included. Sir Tom, I look forward to many more of your recordings and concerts!! Thank you for all the joy have given me.

Posted by Denise on Sunday, 03.9.08 @ 16:14pm


Tom Jones was a great singer!! Still is!! I've enjoyed his singing for decades, and I'm sure so has the rest of the world.

Let's get Tom into the R&R Hall of Fame.

Posted by Dales Valor on Sunday, 03.9.08 @ 23:08pm


tom freaking jones in the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame????? why, why why, delilah????? i'm losing my lunch here...why not include slim whitman and lawrence welk while you're at it?????

Posted by spike on Monday, 03.10.08 @ 11:16am


You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Posted by Anita on Monday, 03.10.08 @ 16:15pm


Negative comments by some are allowed, I suppose. Let's just envision all the great artists who have never made it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They, along with Tom Jones, are being sadly overlooked. The powers who decide who gets in, and when, are too slow in considering some of these great artists. Some of the recent inductees surely do not deserve this honor over Tom and other artists listed on this site, who are certainly more qualified to have received this honor long ago.

Posted by J.W. on Wednesday, 03.12.08 @ 23:34pm


I am so glad to see that number climbing !!!!!!! I can think of no one who deserves this more than Sir Tom Jones!!!!! He has given sooo very mich of himself for more than 40 yrs. His incredible talent is recognized throughout the world. What a wonderful way to give something back to the man who will always be a legend. The man we all know as "THE VOICE"

Posted by michele on Thursday, 03.13.08 @ 08:28am


Tom Jones is the clasical and great voice living today since 40 years ago. The world love him and his tours are greatest events...
The Queen of England Knight him...
His CDs are best sellers...
Is a pop and cultural icon...
In other words, are many reasons for the place of Tom on Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum. This is the moment!!!!

Posted by Alejandro Clark García on Saturday, 03.15.08 @ 18:54pm


Tom we love you and will keep at it until you are in that RnR Hall of Fame. No one deserves it more! You are THE VOICE and a living legend. Go Tom.

Posted by TJonly on Sunday, 03.16.08 @ 11:40am


It's no surprise to me that Tom Jones has not yet been inducted to the Rock & Roll hall of Fame. Just as Vincent Van Gogh was omitted from recognition while alive.

This is because Tom is quite different from all other artists. It's is not possible to put him in any category. Tom can sing R&B as well as he can sing Rock & Roll. Rock & Roll as well as he can sing Country. Country as well as he can sing the Blues. The Blues as well as he can sing Techno. etc. etc. All while crossing gender, age, and race lines.

All of these styles are sewn together with one common instantly identifiable thread, the omnipotent unmatched living human instrument, known as "the Voice."

Who else has done that? Who else could have?


To be an artist is to be an original. The "Rock & Roll hall of Fame" is for artists and pioneers. But has somehow (so far) excluded the most unique and versatile artist of them all.

Posted by Sharon (ex-summerfly) on Monday, 03.17.08 @ 11:48am


"The "Rock & Roll hall of Fame" is for artists and pioneers. But has somehow (so far) excluded the most unique and versatile artist of them all."

I agree that Kraftwerk deserves in, but you know that this is the Tom Jones thread, no?

Posted by Liam on Monday, 03.17.08 @ 11:55am


Liam, Are you back on this list??? And who is Kraftwerk??? Or is this comment a tad of sarcasm?

Funny that all people on this site are voting for Tom, yet, why are YOU on this forum?

Posted by Mariand on Monday, 03.17.08 @ 18:39pm


The last time I looked this site wasn't called "The Tom Jones Fan Club", and I guess Liam can go anywhere he wants on here! Tom Jones had and still has a great voice, and he's a very good entertainer. As far as innovation and influence, I guess you could say he's one of a kind...take that as you will. For whatever reason, the nominating committee isn't crazy about him...you'd think he'd be in by now. I really don't think they're swayed much by petitions, either!

Now...who is Kraftwerk? You need to broaden your horizons a bit! They're also a very deserving and overlooked group. The diffrence being they were very influential and innovative.

Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.17.08 @ 19:20pm


If anybody deserves to be inducted into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame it is SIR TOM JONES. I started watching The Tom Jones TV Show when I was in my twenties I am now in my sixties and I have seen Tom perform many times! Tom was in his twenties the first time I saw him he is now in his sixties and CAN STILL DRAW ALL AGES. HIS ENERGY, HIS VOICE AND CHARISMA ARE FANTASTIC! Sir Tom Jones is a LEGEND! He can sing just about any song, he puts his heart and soul into any song he performs. Sir Tom has been entertaining for over 40 years now and ALL HIS CONCERTS ARE SOLD OUT! HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU NEED TO BE INDUCTED INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME.

Posted by Maureen Heaney on Monday, 03.17.08 @ 19:32pm


Terry, I had assumed some members, due to offensive posts, had been unsubscribed from this site. Perhaps I was incorrect in this assumption??

My opinion is that this site is certainly geared toward drawing in Tom Jones fans. Am I also incorrect in this opinion? Why would non-fans even bother to come to this site?

Posted by Mariand on Monday, 03.17.08 @ 22:01pm


Tom Jones has been a singing talent for over 40 years. He has conquered all genres of music, the styles, rock, soul, ballads, country, and some others. He had an enduring television show that included guests from all walks of entertainment. He has performed continuously in concerts around the world, and in the U.S. more than any other country. Every singer knows his name and talent. He has influenced many younger singers and been recognized in the UK and other countries with many awards. I would think this would qualify him for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Let's give this great talent his props!!

Posted by Jeannie on Monday, 03.17.08 @ 22:05pm


It's to discuss the pros and cons of why someone should be inducted, some more boisterously than others. Or in some cases, just to discuss the artists. Trust me, I've had some of my opinions downright attacked, doesn't change what I think, though. Rational opinions are usually returned in kind. I'm a fan of Rock & Roll, I don't really have any one artist/band that I can call a "favorite". I have observed with more than passing interests why some people have been inducted, and more deserving artists haven't. While it's only my opinion, some of the examples are pretty obvious.

With Tom Jones, I'm not really sure...I can't really say either way, and that's going by the so-called "criteria" that the nominating committee redefines when convenient. He certainly has a place in rock history. He's very fortunate to have devoted fans.

Posted by Terry on Monday, 03.17.08 @ 22:22pm


Yeah, that comment was sarcastic.

Don't know Kraftwerk? That's a shame, since they're among the most innovative and influential artists in modern music.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 03.18.08 @ 11:01am


I don't think we need get into arguments and as long as people keep their comments clean and without 4-letter words, I feel everyone has the right to have their say on this. YES, Tom is fortunate to have such devoted fans, but he has earned them and we will be his loyal fans always. And all we want is some recognition for him from the U.S. and this "distinguished" institution.

Posted by tjonly on Tuesday, 03.18.08 @ 14:22pm


Let's give Tom Jones his votes to get him nominated for the R&RHOF. Time goes by too fast for us to be so slow. cOME ON ALL YOU FANS; WE NEED YOU TO INFLUENCE THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE THAT TOM JONES IS ONE OF THE GREATEST LIVING SINGERS, AND CAN CERTAINLY ROCK AND ROLL!!!

VOTE...VOTE...VOTE!!!!!

Posted by Bill on Thursday, 03.20.08 @ 14:20pm


The 2008 list of inductees, while certainly impressive, is missing one of the most influencial and versatile artists of our time. Tom Jones musical talent has spanned both time and genre, encompassing every age bracket and nationality. What more is there to say? He is the quintessential Voice.

Posted by Lee-Ann on Thursday, 03.20.08 @ 17:51pm


"The 2008 list of inductees, while certainly impressive, is missing one of the most influencial and versatile artists of our time."

Yeah, where's Kraftwerk?

Posted by Liam on Monday, 03.24.08 @ 05:08am


I think some of these newer artists ought to pay their dues first.

Posted by tjonly on Monday, 03.24.08 @ 11:35am


How do you mean?

Posted by Liam on Monday, 03.24.08 @ 11:51am


Pay their dues...work in the industry for years, have their ups and downs, high spots and low spots and still have prevailed through the years. Pay their dues. It's been around for a long time, everyone has to pay their dues to earn where they end up at. No one gets a free ride.

Posted by tjonly on Monday, 03.24.08 @ 20:51pm


Let's VOTE AND KEEP IT GOING TILL TOM GETS ON THE NOMINATING LIST!!!! Tom started Rock and Roll, in my opinion. I was questioning if some do not think Tom is a rock singer because his lyrics can be understood. Most rockers lyrics cannot be deciphered as English words from the official Webster dictionary.

Posted by Marian on Tuesday, 03.25.08 @ 17:10pm


Not only is Tom Jones known as the "Voice," and has been knighted by the Queen. He's a fantastic entertainer!! all of the concerts I've ever gone too have been sold out! So come one people, let's keep this going till Sir Tom does get on the nominating list, as Marian says!

Posted by Kitty on Wednesday, 03.26.08 @ 23:17pm


Tom should definately be in the running as he has entertained generations over the last 4 decades.He is the ultimate performer with the ultimate voice.No other artiste can come anywhere near,not even me and I am his double.
Rok on Tom you are the Boss !!

Posted by TOM JONES TRIBUTE on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 12:09pm


If Madonna is allowed to be put in the rock and roll hall of fame, which she was, I think it was a couple of years ago, then Tom Jones should have been put in the hall many years ago.He is not getting the credit he is due. The guy is a superstar and he deserves,has earned, to be knighted as a rock and roll legend. Tom is in the same category as the Beatles, Elvis, Stones, What more does it take to get this guy in it just boggles my mind that he isn't in the hall already

Posted by SCOTT on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 03:38am


"No one gets a free ride." - tjonley

I honestly don't think Tom Jones has ever had a hard time as far as being in the business goes.

"Tom is in the same category as the Beatles, Elvis, Stones," - SCOTT

As far as influence and innovation go, he isn't even close.

"What more does it take to get this guy in[?]"

Some influence and innovation on music.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 03:44am


TOM JONES HAS BEEN INFLUENCED BY THE GREATEST AND THE GREATEST HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY HIM! EVERY GREAT MUSICIAN STANDS IN AWE OF THIS MAN! THEY HAVE NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR HIM. WE HAVE TO GET HIM INDUCTED WHILE HE IS STILL WITH US. THERE IS NO ONE LIKE TOM JONES IN THE WORLD AND NEVER WILL BE AGAIN! FOR RARE TOM JONES DVDS/FOOTAGE AND CDS GO TO HTTP://HOME.PLANET.NL/~LIT00009/
UNBELIEVABLE FOOTAGE AND MUSIC THAT CANNOT BE FOUND ANYWHERE ELSE. YOU WILL HAVE A NEW RESPECT FOR TOM JONES! CONTACT ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME...AND EMAIL PRESIDENT. I HAVE CONTACTED THEM AND IF ENOUGH PEOPLE CONTACT THEM ABOUT INDUCTING SIR TOM JONES THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE NOTICE! DO IT NOW.

Posted by WELSHGIRL on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 09:01am


Try turning the Caps Lock off, for a start.

"AND THE GREATEST HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY HIM!"

Any examples, or is this yet another baseless claim?

"I HAVE CONTACTED THEM AND IF ENOUGH PEOPLE CONTACT THEM ABOUT INDUCTING SIR TOM JONES THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE NOTICE!"

Guess you didn't notice the "This site is not affiliated with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" disclaimer.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 09:04am


We've been through all of this Liam. Why do you spend your time on this site if it means nothing? There are other places to contact and other people to contact, but we certainly have been drawing a lot of attention to Tom on this site. You have no idea what we have been doing and plan on doing in the future to reach our goal!

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 09:14am


You really think Wenner gives a rat's ass about this site and others like it? The optimism is admirable but it's never gonna happen.

Not that Jones actually deserves in. (Hopefully that will spark some discussion).

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 09:17am


Tom Jones is an icon, and he's pretty young still to be considered a legend, but he is. I say Tom Jones deserves his spot in the Hall of Fame. But truthfully, he's already there all over the world, and it's bigger than a hall.

Posted by Brian Evans on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 15:16pm


I grew up listening to Tom Jones and I am the younger generation! Tom truly deserves to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He has influenced so many young singers. He is still entertaining, sings any style of music and his concerts are still sold out...what more do they need.

Posted by Kim Heaney on Thursday, 04.10.08 @ 05:06am


I believe if Tom's fans all over the world had a say in his induction, Tom would surely be considered by the Board. There is power in numbers but how do we influence the powers who decide on the nominations????

Posted by Marian on Thursday, 04.10.08 @ 16:56pm


IF KRAFTWERT IS SO INFLUENTIAL WHY DONT WE KNOW THE NAME ?????

Posted by tojo on Friday, 04.11.08 @ 06:06am


For one, they're called Kraftwerk, not Kraftwert. The reason you don't know the name is because you're ignorant, and your ignorance has absolutely no effect on their influence and innovation.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 04.11.08 @ 06:27am


BS circular logic based around ignorance is always good for a chuckle. I don't know, ergo I don't need to know, ergo I never have to learn anything because everything I don't know isn't important, or else I would already know it.

It's like watching the kids in school ask why they need to learn math.

Posted by William on Friday, 04.11.08 @ 08:42am


WELL THERE ARE TWO SAYINGS THAT COME TO MIND
IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE. AND
IGNORANCE IS AS IGNORANCE DOES .
OH THERE IS ANOTHER ONE
STICKS AND STONES MAY HURT MY BONES
BUT WORDS CAN NEVER HURT ME.

Posted by tojo on Friday, 04.11.08 @ 16:04pm


Please turn the Caps Lock off/Please let go of the shift key.

No one's insulted you at all. You're ignorant to Kraftwerk, and that's that. A good idea would be to go onto a site (most likely AMG) and read up about them, but I don't think that's gonna happen.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 04.11.08 @ 16:09pm


Liam, Sad there are a few who do NOT know your idol, Kraftwurtz, (chuckle). You seem to think they are the only group noteworthy of a Rock and Roll award. I did read up on them...still not impressed...and you are not impressed with Tom, but most on this site seem to think he is worthy of being the R&RHOF, and it should have happened a long time ago!!!!! I believe our opinions hold more clout than your constant obsession with damning Sir Tom.

Posted by Marian on Friday, 04.11.08 @ 20:58pm


"I believe our opinions hold more clout"-Marian

Okay, first of all, you're using that word improperly. "Clout" is usually used to refer to influence on other people, in this case the Hall of Fame nominators. So do you mean that the Tom Jones supporters are personal friends of Wenner or something?

If what you meant instead was simply "our opinions are more important," then boohoo, they are not, and they won't be as long as you try to defend them with empty rhetoric. You don't say WHY your opinions are more important, just that they are. That's not an argument. Try again.

"I did read up on them...still not impressed"-Marian

You've missed the point by several miles.

Posted by William on Saturday, 04.12.08 @ 01:05am


"Liam, Sad there are a few who do NOT know your idol, Kraftwurtz,"

Yeah, the ignorance around here really is annoying at times, I agree.

"You seem to think they are the only group noteworthy of a Rock and Roll award."

Nope.

"I did read up on them...still not impressed"

Ignoring the fact that it misses the point, I guess you just missed the whole influence and innovation thing, then? Because Kraftwerk have both by the gallon, whereas Tom Jones has little of the former and absolutely none of the latter.

"but most on this site seem to think he is worthy of being the R&RHOF,"

I'm willing to bet that most of those people either ignored or missed the influence and innovation thing.

"I believe our opinions hold more clout than your constant obsession with damning Sir Tom."

No, I'm actually waiting for you to make a point. The only reason I brought up Kraftwerk here in the first place because I thought it would be a good joke at your expense.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.12.08 @ 02:56am


sarcasm is not humour.it is possible to disagree without being rude !!!!!!

Posted by tojo on Saturday, 04.12.08 @ 06:34am


For those who insist that Tom is not qualified to be in the R&R Hall of Fame, consider this ....
the best known "Hall of Fame" in America is the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY. The majority of members voted into this prestigious institution are players who are the best at playing the game -- people who can throw, catch or hit the ball, better than anyone else. Some have been influential and innovative, of course, but the bottom line for induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame is that they are, first and foremost, DAMN GOOD ball players!
Tom has been one of the best musical performers in the world for the past 40+ years. He influenced Elvis Presley - Elvis learned from him how to do a good, solid show on stage. I'm sure Tom would be more influential, but unfortunately, there aren't many people with his LEVEL OF TALENT, so how much can they learn from him if they can't MATCH HIS ABILITY?
The R&R HoF should not continue to call itself the R&R Hall of Fame, if it does not value things like talent, ability, performance, etc. at least as much as influence/innovation. When people see the words "Hall of Fame", they think it refers to artists who are the best at what they do in the field, not just artists who are influential and innovative. If the R&R HoF will not open its doors to people like Tom, then it has no business keeping it's name -- it's a misnomer. Instead, it should change its name to the Rock & Roll Hall of Influence and Innovation. Then at least people would be aware of its limited scope and would regard it accordingly.

Posted by Diane M. on Saturday, 04.12.08 @ 21:04pm


I don't know what you said, and I'm not even totally sure who you are.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 06:49am


"the best known "Hall of Fame" in America is the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY. The majority of members voted into this prestigious institution are players who are the best at playing the game -- people who can throw, catch or hit the ball, better than anyone else. Some have been influential and innovative, of course, but the bottom line for induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame is that they are, first and foremost, DAMN GOOD ball players!"

When will people stop comparing art to sport? Really, they're completely incompatible as one is mostly objective and the other is most subjective. I wouldn't call Tom Jones the musical equivalent of a "DAMN GOOD ball player," though.

"Tom has been one of the best musical performers in the world for the past 40+ years. He influenced Elvis Presley - Elvis learned from him how to do a good, solid show on stage. I'm sure Tom would be more influential, but unfortunately, there aren't many people with his LEVEL OF TALENT, so how much can they learn from him if they can't MATCH HIS ABILITY?"

What a stoopid argument. Loads of artists tried and failed to do stuff that their influences have done better. Green Day couldn't match The Ramones. Interpol can't beat Joy Division. Bloc Party fail at Wire and Gang of Four.

"The R&R HoF should not continue to call itself the R&R Hall of Fame, if it does not value things like talent, ability, performance, etc. at least as much as influence/innovation. When people see the words "Hall of Fame", they think it refers to artists who are the best at what they do in the field, not just artists who are influential and innovative."

No, when people see "Hall of Fame" they expect to see the most famous artists, not "the best at what they do in the field." You fail.

"If the R&R HoF will not open its doors to people like Tom, then it has no business keeping it's name -- it's a misnomer. Instead, it should change its name to the Rock & Roll Hall of Influence and Innovation. Then at least people would be aware of its limited scope and would regard it accordingly."

How stupid. The name really has nothing to do with anything. It's a stupid name, and if you were to take it seriously you couldn't get anymore inductees from past about 1970 (and even that would be pushing "rock and roll" to a stretch).

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 07:13am


Tom is one of the most famous musical artists in the world, as well as the best at what he does. If the Hall of Fame does not consider this as criteria for induction, then it misleads the public. The name that an institution uses should reflect what it actually means and does. Otherwise, it leads to misperceptions about its goals, which in turn leads to questions about its integrity.

Posted by Diane M. on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 12:24pm


"Tom is one of the most famous musical artists in the world, as well as the best at what he does"

You really think he's one of the most famous performers? I'll give you that his name is famous, but I doubt most people under the age of 30 could name you more than ten of his songs.

What exactly is it that he excels at? Singing?

"If the Hall of Fame does not consider this as criteria for induction, then it misleads the public."

How does it confuse the public? The Hall makes it clear what its aims are (honouring influential and innovative artists) and if the public can't make itself informed (what a shocker!) about this, then it's simly lazy (again: what a shocker!).

The public really dosn't know jack about music. So long as it keeps sending the Nickelbacks and Linkin Parks of the world into the charts, it won't ever.

"Otherwise, it leads to misperceptions about its goals, which in turn leads to questions about its integrity."

No it doesn't, and I've explained why. Its goal is to honour those artists with influence and innovation in music. The HOF has no integrity, but neither this nor the exclusion of Tom Jones have anything to do with it.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 12:59pm


" (The HOF's) goal is to honour those artists with influence and innovation in music." - liam

Hi Liam.
In fact, this may or may not be completely true. By now on this site, the "fact" that Influence and Innovation are the paramount and sole prisms through which to view and judge all artists is a canard that has been perpetuated over and over and over again by those of us who would justify all of our persaonnly favorite/bestest for reals/authetically talented and coincidentally often underappreciated artists.
William strated it and you have rode shotgun for the past 6 months on this theory of Rock Hall creation.

The truth is far more nebulous. Sorry, mate.

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 17:06pm


OK LIAM I HAVE READ ENOUGH OF YOUR S--T!I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU ARE ON THE NOMINATING COMMTITTE...NO YOU ARE NOT! YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE H--L YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
YOU ARE NASTY, AND JUST COME ON THIS SITE TO CAUSE TROUBLE...SO GET THE F--K OFF HERE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO B---H! YOU ARE SICKNING!

Posted by SCORPIO on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 17:39pm


I FORGOT SOMETHING, I THINK YOU HAVE A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM AND SHOULD CONSIDER SEEING A GOOD THERAPIST YOU MUST BE A VERY LONELY PERONS OR HAVE OTHER SERIOUS PROBLEMS TO GET ON THIS SITE AND INSULT PEOPLE!

Posted by SCORPIO on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 17:47pm


"By now on this site, the "fact" that Influence and Innovation are the paramount and sole prisms through which to view and judge all artists is a canard that has been perpetuated over and over and over again by those of us who would justify all of our persaonnly favorite/bestest for reals/authetically talented and coincidentally often underappreciated artists."-shawn

Several errors:

1) I never said that was the only way to judge music or worth. Talent is a fine judge, but it's beyond the scope of the hall. Simply liking something is fine by me. If a band makes sounds that make you happy, enjoy. It's no skin off my back. But that doesn't make them important to the greater music scene. That's where influence and innovation comes in. There are plenty of bands I love with tremendous amounts of talent and a great deal of originality who will inspire very few people. Ever hear of Zu? Guess why I won't be advocating their induction anytime soon. Answer: Because they're not influential enough, and probably never will be. That won't stop me from buying albums and enjoying them, though.

2) You're stuck on this idea that I pick and choose my criteria based on the bands I like. This is pure ad hominem. I've consistently defended my criteria with sound reasoning and citations. You say I "started it"? Not at all. I simply read it because it was already there. It's the self-proclaimed criteria recognized by the official institution. And again, not every band I like is important. Not every band I dislike is unimportant. It has not now nor ever had anything to do with what I like or dislike, and I take offense to your claim that it does.

"The truth is far more nebulous."-shawn

Well then make a case and defend it.

Posted by William on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 18:32pm


I think Diane M. has made a very valid point. If you are going to ignore talent, longevity and performance and consider only innovation and influence, then the RnR Hall of Fame should be the RnR Hall of Influence and Innovation. Gee, then Paul Anka might even be voted in. He certainly deserves it in all categories. Or, how about the Hall of Noise, that would justify some of the inductees in the last few years.

Posted by Joe on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 20:29pm


William says: Innovation and Influence [are] "the self-proclaimed criteria recognized by the official institution."

Where does it say that?

This is the official criteria: "Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist's contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."

Posted by Albert on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 21:11pm


"You're stuck on this idea that I pick and choose my criteria based on the bands I like. This is pure ad hominem." -William

Wrong. Besides the fact that you're not allowed to use the same phrase the same time in 2 days, crying "ad hominem!" assumes that I am claiming some failing on your part by having favorites, and that is where my argument lies. Not so.

But I hear you - that's not really your point - just a bad accompanying use of a phrase. We can argue about that too if you ike, but for now I'lljust tell you that you are awfully pompous to claim that all of YOUR choices for the Hall are not emotionally grounded in the music you love - and therefore non-subjective - but are FACTS, based on sound reasoning generally accepted by the music scientific community.

Horseshit dude. Quit the co-opting of this conjured criteria you have advocated and relied on since I met you and realize that with music, it starts with what you love and you justify it and explain it from there. How can I prove this? You have almost no artists that you despise or are apathetic about that you would push for the Hall, or be happy to see in. Objective here is figment. Doesn't mean you aren't right baout your picks - just means that to deny taste is malarky --- not to mention scornfully arrogant.


"Well then make a case and defend it."

I will - but I'll sit back and watch you fume about being accused of mortal prejudices for a little longer first.

You've been bludgeoning fanboys with that Influence and Innovation mallet for over a year, William, so get bent about claiming something else.

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 04.13.08 @ 23:17pm


"Besides the fact that you're not allowed to use the same phrase the same time in 2 days, crying "ad hominem!" assumes that I am claiming some failing on your part by having favorites, and that is where my argument lies. Not so."-shawn

No, it means what it says. Unlike some people here, I can be literal when I need to be. You're attacking me rather than my arguments, claiming bias. That's "ad hominem" defined.

And you know what? There IS a difference between who I support and who I think deserves it. I've never denied it. My criteria are objective, but I don't have to campaign vigorously for anyone if I don't want to. But in the interest of fairness, I've never went against someone who I thought deserved it no matter how much I disliked it. Similarly, I've never campaigned for bands I think didn't deserve it.

"I'lljust tell you that you are awfully pompous to claim that all of YOUR choices for the Hall are not emotionally grounded in the music you love"-shawn

They are first and foremost bands that meet my criteria. Again, I have never supported bands that I don't feel deserve it no matter how much I love them, and I have several hundred such bands. Again, I have never opposed the induction of groups I think deserve it no matter how much I dislike them. I don't have to give them my vocal support if I don't want to, which is the only place you could claim any bias (and it's several magnitudes below what you are claiming), but I'm not stopping them.

"How can I prove this? You have almost no artists that you despise or are apathetic about that you would push for the Hall, or be happy to see in."-shawn

BS. I was fine with Madonna's induction despite hating pretty much everything she has ever done. There's influence there. There's importance. And I honestly wish there weren't, but too bad for me, eh? If I get in arguments with stupid fans on her page over the things they say (such as how she's the most important female musician ever or other such nonsense), that's not the same as saying she doesn't deserve it. There's a big gap between "deserves it" and "bestest ever OMG."

"Quit the co-opting of this conjured criteria"-shawn

Nice alliteration, minus the part where I already explained how it isn't "conjured." It's the Hall's mission statement. I didn't pull it out of my ass as you pretend. It's been there since before I started to care.

"Objective here is figment. Doesn't mean you aren't right baout your picks - just means that to deny taste is malarky --- not to mention scornfully arrogant."-shawn

Can't be "right" in a subjective world. IF you don't believe in objectivity, you should show it.

And make an argument as to why we should recognize "taste." Actually justify something you say for once. I don't think you can, and until you at least try, I don't give a damn what you have to say about it.

"I will - but I'll sit back and watch you fume about being accused of mortal prejudices for a little longer first."-shawn

Basically, "I will, but not right now."

Yeah, right.

Posted by William on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 04:54am


"I think Diane M. has made a very valid point. If you are going to ignore talent, longevity and performance and consider only innovation and influence, then the RnR Hall of Fame should be the RnR Hall of Influence and Innovation. Gee, then Paul Anka might even be voted in. He certainly deserves it in all categories. Or, how about the Hall of Noise, that would justify some of the inductees in the last few years."-Joe

Well let's look at the reverse: Suppose we start with talent as the big criteria: In goes millions of no-name music theory students and neo-classical "artists" like The Great Kat who can play very skilfully but lack anything resembling importance, and out go sloppy players like Hendrix and mediocre ones like The Beatles.

Or let's go with longevity: Again, no Beatles. That's not even ten years. Led Zeppelin? Is twelve years enough? Where's the line? The Red Krayola? Forty-two years. Better induct them immediately, then.

Performance? How on Earth do you judge that? Video footage? Maybe it was a bad night (or an uncannily good one). Testimonials? What makes a good performance anyway? Do we throw out The Doors then because Morrison used to sing with his back to the crowd? Make a case for why this is useful.

"William says: Innovation and Influence [are] "the self-proclaimed criteria recognized by the official institution."

Where does it say that?

This is the official criteria: "Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist's contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.""-Albert

Well the word "influence" is right there, innit? And I believe the part about "the artit's contriubutions to the DEVELOPMENT and perpetuation of rock and roll" covers innovation quite literally.

Posted by William on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 05:04am


Well "greatness" is a very subjective term, so yeah.

Posted by William on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 05:31am


I am commenting on the HoF as we have seen it to function.

This is the official criteria: "Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist's contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.""-Albert

Well the word "influence" is right there, innit? And I believe the part about "the artit's contriubutions to the DEVELOPMENT and perpetuation of rock and roll" covers innovation quite literally. - William

So we know that influence and innovation are two of the main criteria's used. But let's highlight the following; artists significant contributions to perpetuate!

One does not need to be innovative or highly influential to significantly perpetuate anything. They only need to cause something to stand-out! Stand out to who? Perhaps the fans or the history of that generations pop culture; I don't know for sure, but that is what I am thinking.

per·pet·u·ate (pr-pch-t)
tr.v. per·pet·u·at·ed, per·pet·u·at·ing, per·pet·u·ates
1. To cause to continue indefinitely; make perpetual.
2. To prolong the existence of; cause to be remembered: The new library will perpetuate its founder's great love of learning.

I will use one of the HoF snubs that Liam fights for. It is well documented that Joy Division is hands down a major factor, if not the biggest factor when it comes to Post-Punk; influence and innovation are both there. Aerosmith innovated nothing! They certainly were an influence on the 80's scene; how much is speculative at best (not counting scarves tied to mic. stands). However, Aerosmith, because of the excellence of those first 4 albums and the cheese that followed in the 80's became American RnR Royalty. On the other hand, Joy Division was not quite able to escape their sub-genre (Maybe if Curtis hadn't offed himself, they would have, if given time). [Liam - don't take that personal] So the question is, why?

I have read from so many here that it doesn't matter what the fan thinks. Guess what, it does matter. Did a performer reach the masses in such a way as to leap over the rigid standards of "innovation and hard influence". Are we still talking about an artist as if they are a fresh entity even though they have not recorded anything worthwhile in 15 years? Or has that artist just become a footnote? Aerosmith is not talked about as an Oldie's Act! Joy Division is never discussed except by those who are hardcore fans of the band or sub-genre or on a site like this.

There is nothing objective about music and the HoF. Wenner keeps out who he doesn't like and fights for those he does.

I ask this to everyone here: if Kiss were to get past Wenner's hatred and somehow get nominated, is there anyone who thinks the voters won't put them in? Personally, I despise KISS, always did, but there is not one person out there who can say that they are not a big stepping stone in the history of Rock and Roll.

I leave you all to it scream at me now.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 07:52am


"I have read from so many here that it doesn't matter what the fan thinks. Guess what, it does matter."

No, it doesn't. Seriously, why should one My Bloody Valentine fan's opinion mean anything different to that of a thousand Nickelback fans? Simply liking something isn't enough.

"Joy Division is never discussed except by those who are hardcore fans of the band or sub-genre or on a site like this."

I've seen quite a few kids pick up Unknown Pleasures, especially recently as of the Remasters and the whole post-punk revival scene; I hardly ever see Toys In The Attic even on the shelves. Really, JD's stuff sounds fresher than Aerosmith's, thanks to Hannett's production skills.

"There is nothing objective about music and the HoF. Wenner keeps out who he doesn't like and fights for those he does."

So we should resign ourselves to what's definitely going to happen? OK, I'll be on the Bon Jovi page if you need me...

"I despise KISS, always did, but there is not one person out there who can say that they are not a big stepping stone in the history of Rock and Roll."

I can. The fact is, KISS got to glam a good few years too late to glam to have much of an impact there. Remove KISS from the picture, and you'd definitely lose alot of novelty and covers, but not alot really happens musically.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 08:58am


"William strated it and you have rode shotgun for the past 6 months on this theory of Rock Hall creation."

It wasn't William that just made it up. It was Wenner.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 09:45am


Liam - you seem to be missing the point I made:

Read it again, please. I am not arguing for or against any band. I am commenting on the supposed criteria which the HoF says it uses and how I see it being carried out or manipulated by the nominating committee and voting block of the HoF.

This is the official criteria: "Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist's contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 09:52am


What's new, pussycat? WOOOOAH WOOOOAHWOOOOAH!

Posted by K-Money on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 09:56am


What's new, pussycat? WOOOOAH WOOOOAHWOOOOAH!

Posted by K-Money on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 09:56am


The ONLY way you can "develop and perpetuate" rock and roll is by influencing musicians and innovating.

I doubt any of the nominating commitee give a crap about it, though. There's no authority or body to challenge the Hall's (nonexistant) credibility, so why the hell should they stop inducting their favourites? "Who the hell is Nick Drake, why should I care? Can't mean much if I don't know him."

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 10:05am


The ONLY way you can "develop and perpetuate" rock and roll is by influencing musicians and innovating.

Sorry Liam, by I think you are incorrect with this. My example of Aerosmith is living proof of this. They did not innovate a new sound. And their influence on other bands may not have to do as much with the music as it did with their presence as a band. Example - James Hetfield cites Aerosmith as a major influence even though you cannot hear it in Metallica's music. At least I can't. The band that we all hate and refuse to acknowledge - KISS - is cited as an influence from musicans that vary from Dimebag Darrell to Henry Rollins with many in between. So how can we sit here and say they did not perpetuate the continuation of RnR when so many musicians state the contrary.

The point is that the importance of a band does not have to mean that they created new chord progressions or any other technical aspects of the music. They just needed to at times be as big or bigger than the genre itself. And that is what KISS was, big hair, big sound, big shoes, big stage act! Bands like Alice Cooper and KISS may not have been the first (Arthur Brown), but they did it to the point of making it more than just a sideshow act at the circus. It became part of the culture, in a manner of speaking.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 11:56am


I forgot to mention that innovation isn't totally necessary. Influence is the key.

In My Ideal World, every group to innovate would be recognised for this and would gain a reasonable following, but lots of innovative groups get overlooked.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 12:04pm


"The ONLY way you can "develop and perpetuate" rock and roll is by influencing musicians and innovating."

Wrong -- wrong ---- wrong- O!
That may be the purest and most praise worthy way, but hardly the only. Do you really need to be reminded that Rock-n-Roll and all of its branches have their roots in being "popular" music?
Perpetuating the cause can and has been done is a series of ways.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 12:14pm


I forgot to mention that innovation isn't totally necessary. Influence is the key. - Liam

So then if influence is the key and members of significant Rock and Roll bands cite KISS as a major influence, then they should be inducted.

Let's face facts, the HoF is not a Hall of Fame. It is a museum that acknowledges the likes and dislikes of certain members of the musical establishment. If it was a true Hall, Joy Division would be in as would Alice Cooper, King Crimson, ELP, The Stooges, NY Dolls, Runaways, Cheap Trick, The Cure, Echo and the Bunneymen, etc., etc. And certainly KISS, whether I like it or not.

On a lighter note; Tom Jones would not be in. T.J. is a great performer in his own right and his style is second to none, but his influence on RnR is minimal at best. And when discussing the genre of RnR, I don't know too many people that would bring his name up as one of the flag bearers of the genre. If there is a "Singers" Hall of Fame, he would get my vote.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 12:22pm


So what is said "series of ways"? And try to avoid "selling alot of records," because I'm tired of beating against that argument.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 12:23pm


"They are first and foremost bands that meet my criteria." -W

Semantics. "Your criteria" would be things that for the most part (Madonna aside as one of the exceptions)determine or at least indicate your taste. Again - not a problem there.

The reason you aren't grasping this - that I have not struck you with the ad hominem stick is the very same reason why you are full of it - you don't get it - the mission statement of the Hall has NOT been chisled in granite as requiring Innovation or Influence of other musicians high and holy above all else, disregarding all else as insignificant. Wrong. Must I parse and identify where and why this is the canard you embrace?

"Can't be "right" in a subjective world. IF you don't believe in objectivity, you should show it."
"My criteria are objective," -W

This is yours and Liam's undoing, your "problem" as I call it. You need to have the balls to just say an artist/band deserves induction becaus they contributed this or that; told you before this is a wonderfully unique world music is and there is not a perscription or formula for who did or didn't PERPETUATE the movement. I dunno, perhaps some of thos artists you choose to not push actually do have a case.

Point is - have the balls (as should the Hall, or anyone else) to advocat an artist without telling us they have the official pedigree; that is phantom and an assumption anyway. Have the balls to deny others simply because they stink up the joint.

For instance, Dameon is gonna love me but I recognize as common sense that Def Leppard did indeed help perpetuate Rock-n-Roll. But they are ugly. I do not subscribe to the "lighten up dude' striiper chicks and beer - WOOOOO!" argument. So I say Def Lep bited the weiner and don't let 'em in.

I have no need for the red tape you have cozied up with and keep scowling at me with contemtuously, preaching your sermons about objectivity.

Carry on.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 12:53pm


"Semantics. "Your criteria" would be things that for the most part (Madonna aside as one of the exceptions)determine or at least indicate your taste. Again - not a problem there."-shawn

No. Not at all. My interest in bands has to do with how they sound, not how important they are. I don't browse the record shop looking for the most influential bands; I look for what I think I'll like. But this isn't a hall for bands that sound good (according to whom?) or bands that certain people like. It's for bands who "perpetuate rock and roll."

Again, these are not my goddam criteria. I did not make them up and what I like has nothing at all to do with what I think is important. Madonna is not the exception, she's the rule: Importance trumps personal opinion. That's consistent with everything I've said.

"Point is - have the balls (as should the Hall, or anyone else) to advocat an artist without telling us they have the official pedigree; that is phantom and an assumption anyway. Have the balls to deny others simply because they stink up the joint."-shawn

So be more like Wenner, then? Shuffle in your favorites and blacklist every band that doesn't send you a Christmas card? That sounds like a wonderful idea. Can I get your doctor's phone number? I'd like a hit of what he's put you on.

Posted by William on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 13:24pm


Yeah, be like Wenner. We can start by weening you onto Percy Sledge records and work it up from there. Please remove any post-1975 records you have from your person and place them in the incinerator.

PS Ray Davies forgot my birthday this year - you know what to do.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 13:41pm


I am not advocating crass favoritism nor the chaos of meaningless filters.

What you believe is the Hall's canons for objectivity is a leap and an assumption. No, you did not create these rules from your own mud and lightning - you just adopted what you mistakedly saw as law and have been preaching that gospel.

Our argument lies in what must be the framework for said objectivity. You would accuse me of forsaking it - I am accusing you of tailoring it to a bad fit and then dismssing those artists who do not "matter" as you have put it.

I won't fight you on the field of "objectivity" because the thing is - I'm telling you that your guidlines for it are false. The color of your sky (OK - THE sky you claim the Hall has colored) isn't true.

Reread this from the Rock Hall's website:

One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame.

I know where your proof of Influence & Innovation comes from do you?

By the way, my Dr. would prescribe something to help you unclench your sphincter and an antibiotic for your pedantic infection.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 13:58pm


I still love that we are having this dialogue on a Tom Jones board.

Is it possible that the criteria as stated is open to different determinations? Afterall, Rock and Roll is not a single cell organism. It is an art form; it is a standard in pop culture and has been for over a half century and it is also big business.

We all understand innovation and influence. But, how do we want to define "perpetuate" and how does the Hall define it? The word itself seems simple enough:

1. To cause to continue indefinitely; make perpetual.
2. To prolong the existence of; cause to be remembered.

Shawn, thanks for using D.L., but I prefer we use KISS as the example.

KISS is the perfect arguement for this dialogue. Personally, I hate KISS, but IMO, that cannot be my arguement for their exclusion. Their music is simple and the musicianship of the original line-up was horrid, but that cannot be my arguement either because (and don't take me too literally here Liam - I don't mean every single soul on the earth), everyone knows a KISS song and it doesn't matter if you are a fan or not. I bet Liam even knows the chorus to one or two KISS songs :-) I will admit to that fact that they give the fans their monies worth when it comes to their live performance. They are part of the overall Rock and Roll culture, therefore IMO, KISS has perpetuated the existance or continuation of RnR. Perhaps their least amount of influence is on the art form, but as far as pop culture and the business of RnR is concerned, they are friggin big. And Kiss will never be just a footnote in RnR History.




Posted by Dameon on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 14:27pm


I've listened to The Reason by his version.. since then I become a huge fan.

Posted by Welly on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 17:00pm


William, to break down and clarify my message to you: Here lies again the only official manifesto I can find of the Rock Hall, this from their website:

"(The Hall's aim) is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll.."

The operative words there being CONTRIBUTIONS,
SIGNIFICANT, EVOLUTION & DEVELOPMENT & PERPETUATION.

Look at 'em close and closer still. General and broad as all Hell. Define a Contribution - the artists some would label leftover 70's acts were right in there comin with it and contributing to the Perpetuation.

Evolution = Innovation; absolutely.
That is clearly ONE of the ways artists can be measured. But this in no way indicates it is the only way.

Development? I know you will argue that means evolution = innovation, right? Perhaps, but limited only to that narrow context? To me that can broadly mean development in the sense of simple popularity or momentum, even sans brilliant new ideas. You can make that assunptive leap to infer innovation if it suits you, but you're the one translating it that way to hug up on the bands you endorse.

Right there - quit it. Quit claiming that you are a dry machine whose logic is clinical and clean. Who else besides Madonna do you dislike but grudgingly give the nod to?

The Innovation and Influence doctrine comes from a section of a form letter sent to people who wrote the Hall bitching that their favs were this popular or had sold that many records and how could the Hall ignore them, so the repsonse was given directly to clarify that those things ALONE do not entitle artists to induction.
You're stance is neutered by one word:
ALSO.

Here is the key section:
"..candidates are reviewed and discussed relative to their impact on this music that we broadly call rock and roll."

Again I say - IMPACT... how broadly can that be defined? Answer: extremely broad.

"The innovation and influence of these artists is also critical."


****There it is. The Key Word: ALSO. Also. As in: as well, plus, not alone, but one of a spectrum.
Also.

"Gold records, number one hits, and million sellers are really not appropriate standards for evaluation."

OK, but to read between the lines, the letter goes on to make the real point that the process is (supposedly) free from politics and ulterior influence, which would be linked to sales figures.
I believe that this was the letter's message in discounting sales, not so much to say that those things are not an indicator of an artists impact - just they they alone are not like statistics in sports.

Point is - Influence and Innovation are but 2 of a list of possible reasons to induct - combinations of talent (yup - totally subjective, as pointed out in this same letter:
"The love for, the evaluation of, and the impact of any artist are subjective questions to be answered by the nominators and the voters."
(You cannot get away from it - there it is right smack in the same letter you would site as proof of your I & I argument.)

Talent, longevity, performance, ubiquity, creativity, musicianship, songwriting skill, historic serendipity, and yes popularity/sales should sometimes go into the mix.

Abandon your scholarly theology William and come live in the real world. At least until Pitchfork builds there Hall - then you can bitch about Husker Du and Sonic Youth instead of being the jaded iconoclast you so love to be.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 14:34pm


Like Kit said a long time ago, I don't think sales should be taken into account, unless an artist is the first in its niche/subgenre to make a big mainstream splash, in which case it should be considered as a factor, but not an end-all one. That's why there's a case for Nirvana going in before The Pixies etc.

I do not, however, think that this should be a trump card. If a less popular artist clearly has a hugely greater influence on that same niche or subgenre, then they should go first. That's why I would rather Joy Division went in before The Cure.

As soon as you start to take sales (not quality) into total account, you've gotta start inducting total crap like Britney Spears, Linkin Park and Nickelback. Ya know, stuff that we'd all rather was forgotten. Do you want future generations exposed to Journey? DO YOU?!?!?!

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 14:58pm


"the artists some would label leftover 70's acts were right in there comin with it and contributing to the Perpetuation."

How? More importantly, who?

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 15:04pm


"How? More importantly, who?"

Who: a list of many artists who have been listed many times. A few of them: Steve Miller band, Chicago, Joe Cocker, Hall & Oates, Doobie Brothers, Genesis, Alice Cooper, KISS, Billy Preston, Judas Priest, Captain Beefheart, Cat Stevens, MC5, Deep Purple, Dr. John, Jethro Tull, Warren Zevon, Yes, King Crimson, Todd Rundgren, Supertramp, Kraftwerk, War, ELO, Roxy Music, Big Star, Peter Frampton, Tom Waits, Rush, Brian Eno....

How?: Do I really have to explain how these artists DID contribte to the perpetuation of Rock & roll? How they DID make a significant offering that helped prolong the existence of Rock and helped it endure? Let's argue the qualities of each in proportion to each other and others from different eras and so who goes first, but they are certainly not throwaways who did not nourish rock along the way and help it endure as a popular art form in our time, right?

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 15:58pm


Taking sales into account appropriately is nothing to be afraid of, as long as it is given no more weight than something like influence or innovation, agreed.
Balance - each artist is regarded proportionately according to their niche of contribution. If an artist sold a ton but is shit, then they must have some other compelling reason for being on the table - like undeniable influence, be that influence positive or negative. Are they considered shit by general consensus, or is that opinion contentious?

neither qualify immediately an artist only because they sold a lot, but neither deny those sales indicate a power that artist weilded to perpetuate Rock.

Some artists get their points for evolving rock. Some for continuing to develop it, even if they were higly derivitive. Some just get points for perpetuating rock by sheer force of their, yes I'll say it, populariy.

Some, in spite of any brief popularity are just subjectively so bland, unremarkable, trite, boring or overhyped crap that they don't get a second look. I would put your Nickelbacks and Bon Jovis in there. Inevitable arguments ensue between nominators on these points and so let the subjective banter wail away, but for God's sake let's abandon the pretentious notion that there are two sole and noble barometers for this poulist art form like influence.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 16:11pm


Shawn, I was more commenting on the description of "leftover." I've just realised that you may have been talking about "leftover" as in 'not in the Hall,' but my interpretation was that said acts were somehow irrelevant or forgotten. I wouldn't cal Kraftwerk "leftover"...

Why would you put Bon Jovi and Nickelback in there? These are artists that will be forgotten, given a century (at the most); why would you want to prolong their remembrance? They brought nothing new to the table, influenced jack...generally stank outloud...

I'd be ready to induct the INXS's, Human League's and Undertones of the world - artists whose influence slightly pales, but who are worth remembering - but you've got to limit it somewhere.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 16:36pm


LIAM THIS IS A TOM JONES SITE...SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THESE SUPID DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OTHER ARTIST THEN GET THE H--L OF HERE!

Posted by SCORPIO on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 16:46pm


It's not a Tom Jones site at all, and, incase you hadn't noticed, this "SUPID DISCUSSION" (I assume "STUPID" is what you meant) has been going on a while.

PS turn off the Caps Lock.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 16:52pm


"Obviously, if you were a band starting out in the 50's and 60's not much had been done yet - it was an open field so to speak. Now, so much has been done. Take any band starting out today and they will inevitably sound like or be an offshoot of some other band or bands."-Red Wine

Keep in mind that this is music, an artform that has existed for thousands of years. What exactly happened in the last fifty years that made it do difficult to progress any further? How did the bands from the sixties manage to sound so disparate from earlier groups? I don't buy it.

"Also, one other thing, Liam said that innovation and influence can be measured. I ask him or anyone else: HOW? Like from an innovatometer or an influencemeter - ha ha. Anyway, I know one obvious way could be to ask bands who their influences were, but that is difficult to do since there are so, so many bands, both mainstream and non mainstream (for the lack of a better term) and local or regional. And, as far as I know, no one has ever compiled precise statistics on that."-Red Wine

You're purposefully trying to over-complicate things. It doesn't have to be an exact science. Economics isn't exact, but it's based around fundamentals that hold true in the vast majority of situations. If you're willing to put on your detective's cap and do a little snooping, sonic patterns tend to crop up fairly regularly. There's a reason musicians in a certain locale around the same time tend to have similar sonic roots, hence the advent of the musical "scene." Seems there were a lot of hardcore punk bands in the D.C. area during the '80s, and guess who the biggest ones named as an influence: The Sex Pistols. It's not like this is difficult, but it seems like you wish it were so you could further attempt to discredit the whole process.

And that leads me to my next question: If the whole thing is futile, what then? You got a better suggestion? Do we dump the idea, forget about recognition, and not have a Hall? If so, then why does it matter who is or isn't inducted?

Posted by William on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 19:06pm


"Some, in spite of any brief popularity are just subjectively so bland, unremarkable, trite, boring or overhyped crap that they don't get a second look. I would put your Nickelbacks and Bon Jovis in there. Inevitable arguments ensue between nominators on these points and so let the subjective banter wail away, but for God's sake let's abandon the pretentious notion that there are two sole and noble barometers for this poulist art form like influence."-shawn

If you're going to give sales equal weight but then load it full of exceptions, why bother? Is there some number of sales so high that even with a complete lack of innovation, influence, or "quality," a group could theoretically still get in? If so, what? If not, why? Why do sales matter only in conjunction with something else? Why aren't they absolute? That doesn't suggest to me that they matter at all, just that you want the freedom to interpret at your convenience.

And again, you're misrepresenting my point. Art has many merits. You can judge rock by how it sounds, or how talented someone is, or whether it makes you moist or whatever, but the Hall is not supposed to be a critical establishment. It's a history museum, concerned with the effect events have on one another. They didn't ignore The Beatles just because Harrison couldn't shred. They didn't ignore The Velvet Underground just because they didn't chart (BTW, if you're looking for an institution that DOES recognize sales, it's called Billboard), and they didn't ignore Madonna just because she's a talentless harpy. They acknowledged the people who made musical history and inspired countless followers for better or worse. The instant you bring taste into it (and sales are an indicator of taste), you have failed the cause of history.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 19:28pm


Liam, somewhere in there I got misunderstood.
I was saying that the Nickelbacks and Bon Jovis do NOT belong in the Hall.
Egads!!

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 00:11am


William.... it is an intrinsically subjective process, any reognition/evaluation of musical worth. Let's be intelligently siubjective and suffer the wrath of those differing opinions.

Stop trying to put a jacket and tie on the monkey and call him sir. Objectivity? As much as we can in order to not be idiots or lackeys, yes, but without the pretense of thinking we can be anything other than fair in our subjective choices.

Not having a formulatic meter does not negate the value of a simple Rock Hall designed to give kudos to the notables of and educate about popular music.

Give it up.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 00:27am


"Objectivity? As much as we can in order to not be idiots or lackeys, yes, but without the pretense of thinking we can be anything other than fair in our subjective choices."-shawn

This is not going to work for all the reasons I've laid out above. History is not about taste. Taste is not "fair." Wenner pretty much proves that.

If you want to read someone else's taste, I hear Wenner publishes this magazine...But why make the Hall a big-budget magazine Top 100 list?

Posted by William on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 00:33am


I'm pretty sure he knows more than than you. - Liam

And how the hell do you know that Liam? Because you and William share similiar thoughts? Do you personally know Red Wine? Do you personally know William? I am thinking the answer is no.



Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 05:53am


You can't just get away with simply saying "Journey were influential." You've got to give examples. If no one makes a case as to why they were influential, then they get locked out indefinitely (or until someone does make a case for them). - Liam

Read Red Wine's comment. He didn't say that Journey was influential. He asks, "how do we know if they were influential?"

You can't just get away with simply saying "Journey were influential." You've got to give examples. - Liam

And if anyone does cite Journey's influences, you are not going to buy it anyway, because you are not a fan of that musical style (example - Def Leppard's influence on the 80's) Your opinion is that "if they influenced crap, then it shouldn't count". So which one is it: influential, no matter what or influential on the bands that you think are worthwhile?

Shut the hell up, Anon. In case you didn't realise, no one actually wants you here. - Liam

Actually Liam, if you read the comments from others who may not be regulars to this forum, you will see that it is you that they don't want here. However, that is not my personal view. You always put a smile on my face.

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 06:11am


LIAM I WANT MY CAPLOCK ON! I KNOW THIS IS NOT A TOM JONES WEB SITE I AM NOT STUPID! BUT THIS IS A TOM JONES VOTING PAGE...SO TAKE ALL THAT STUFF REGARDING OTHER SINGERS TO THEIR VOTING PAGE!

Posted by SCORPIO on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 06:17am


Actually Scorpio, I know the conversation has moved away from Tom Jones, but the conversation certainly warrants an appearance on his page. Clearly many fans are upset that T.J. is not in the Hall. Perhaps this dialogue brings us a better understanding of exactly what the HoF nominating committee and voting block are actually looking at when deciding who goes in and who doesn't.

Don't be too upset with Liam - his need to be sarcastic is just part of his charming personality :-)

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 06:37am


I am telling you again the "standards" are too elusive and ultimately (and ironically) too inherantly subjective for anyone to scream about being officially OBjective - don't you get it?

Your God is a false god, William. But you go ahead and keep fussing with that Windsor knot on that monkey's tie. If we were on a committee I'd be the one refusing to play scientist with you.

Blech.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 09:05am


"Do you personally know Red Wine? " -Dameon

Actually he does know the assbag, as do I and anyone else who's been here a year. "Red Wine" is once again that virus named Michael/Anon and he actually has negative credibility. Why do you think his every comment is always deleted by the day's end?

He contributes nothing and agitates.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 09:10am


"I am telling you again the "standards" are too elusive and ultimately (and ironically) too inherantly subjective for anyone to scream about being officially OBjective - don't you get it?"-shawn

I get that you can't seem to understand the difference between an inexact science and subjectivity, because they are not the same. Influence is not subjective. It might be difficult to pin down, but it exists absent any observers. If a tree falls in the woods, it DOES make a noise. There is no subjectivity to it at all. Don't you get it?

But if you're determined to believe that the whole cause of objectivity is fruitless, again I ask: Why have a Hall? And I'd like an answer this time.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 09:27am


I was wondering why Liam was calling him Anon? I didn't pay much mind because he once accused me of being Anon. Either way, the comment he made was a reasonable one.

Red Wine - are you the infamous Anon?

Posted by Dameon on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 09:27am


"I get that you can't seem to understand the difference between an inexact science and subjectivity.." -W

"But if you're determined to believe that the whole cause of objectivity is fruitless, again I ask: Why have a Hall? And I'd like an answer this time." -W

I have no problem INCLUDING your inexact science that values only Innovation & Influence in my style of Rock Hall. I do not disagree with your choice of artists and bands for induction, and as a matter of fact I accept your method of saying yes to your selections.

My problem with your stance lies in the reason you just got agitated at that last sentence. You think I don't get that they are not YOUR choices - that you come to decide who deserves induction over another based on established facts. And what I keep telling you is that that so-called official paradigm that uses only I & I as the scales is phantom. It may be a useful gauge in many cases, but it is not doctrine - it is not law - and most importantly - its a test that is not detecting the many other ways you can "matter" as you say - the many other ways that you can perpetuate and even develop the world Rock music.

Let's nice and objective with those two high acheiving standards (I & I) and get in the many artists that qualify in those ways.

But unclench and admit that there is a whole slew of artists/bands that belong because they did contribute to the perpetuation of Popular rock music in ways that are just messy, inexact, icky, and must be handled with much looser subjectivity. Your judgment is to limiting and rigid. And stop telling me about all your personal favs that you never consider - its not the point and indicates nothing in the context of what we are discussing.

My problem with your pedantic way is the artists you say NO to. Its not the ones you say Yes to.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 04.16.08 @ 15:21pm


"But unclench and admit that there is a whole slew of artists/bands that belong because they did contribute to the perpetuation of Popular rock music in ways that are just messy, inexact, icky, and must be handled with much looser subjectivity. Your judgment is to limiting and rigid."

Examples, s'il vous plait. (yeah, I need a circumflex on the 'i').

Extra points if you manage to avoid anything remotely popularity-centric. In fact, I'll go ahead and cancel out anything pop-centric because mere popularity has very, very, very little to do with influence.

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 04.17.08 @ 03:35am


"I'll go ahead and cancel out anything pop-centric because mere popularity has very, very, very little to do with influence." -Liam

Actually in the pop music genre, popularity holds a ton of influence.

Posted by mel on Thursday, 04.17.08 @ 07:44am


So The Spice Girls, The BackStreet Boys, Barbara Streisand, Bryan Adams, New Kids On The Block, N Sync, Britney Spears, Mariah Carey, Lionel Richie, Janet Jackson and the rest are just huge exceptions to that rule, Mel?

And how do you explain Big Star? Another exception?

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 04.17.08 @ 08:17am


The life cycle of trends in pop is much shorter than other genres (like the wave length of X-rays compared to the wave length of radio waves for rock).

Do you think N'Sync would have sounded the way they did without the Backstreet Boys? Or NKoTB? You don't have to have a lasting impact to have influence on a genre. Pop works under a different set of rules, but you're trying to shoehorn them into something else.

Posted by mel on Thursday, 04.17.08 @ 08:39am


What, so you're actually arguing that those artists I listed (bar Big Star) "hold a ton of influence"?

There's a very small correlation between popularity and influence, because you can't assume that X amount of the consumers were musicians.

And the answer to whether N'Sync would have sounded that way without The Backstreet Boys or NKOTB is yes. I don't even know why we're discussing it. The Mainstream is such a f*cking wasteland now...makes RHCP look talented.

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 04.17.08 @ 09:53am


It's the popularity that drives the market. More music gets made like the popular stuff. It's not that difficult.

There's a reason why everyone wants to work with Timbaland. He can make a hit record.

Posted by mel on Thursday, 04.17.08 @ 10:09am


That's simply trends in the market, not the same as influencing musicians.

What's Timbaland got to do with this?

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 04.17.08 @ 11:46am


So when Madonna says she wanted her new album to feel like Justin Timberlake's FutureSex/LoveSounds, and hired the people who made it, that's not an example of influencing musicians (in this case Madonna)?

Posted by mel on Thursday, 04.17.08 @ 12:04pm


Look at what you said:

"Actually in the pop music genre, popularity holds a ton of influence."

How does that Madge/Justin support the notion that in Pop: Big Sales = Big Influence? It's only one case, and Madonna was influenced by Timberlake's music as a musician. The fact that they're both high-grossing acts has nothing to do with their influence on each other.

Also, I've given you an example of a pop group who had small sales and were hugely influential. How do you explain it? Exception to the rule? I could give more, so it's not an exception.

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 04.17.08 @ 12:55pm


"Examples, s'il vous plait." - Liam

Just work from that list I gave of "leftover" 70's artists on 4-15-08.

Kraftwerk, Eno, Big Star, MC5, Roxy Music all would deserve in from their well accepted Innovation &/or Influence. William and you should be happy with those.

Let's begin with one that I would guess you two will scoff at: The Doobir Brothers as my first example.

"..I'll go ahead and cancel out anything pop-centric because mere popularity has very, very, very little to do with influence."

By now you know that does not necessarily disqualify an artist in my book.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 04.18.08 @ 00:59am


I don't see how you can induct one artist with sales (The Doobie Brothers) and exclude other ones you deems crap (Nickelback).

The Doobie Brothers? Guess you could make a case. I don't really feel they deserve it, but I wouldn't throw a shitfit if they did.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 04.18.08 @ 05:59am


Kraftwerk, Eno, Big Star, MC5, Roxy Music all would deserve in from their well accepted Innovation &/or Influence. William and you should be happy with those.

Shawn - is this your comment? Big Star - very cool.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 04.18.08 @ 06:02am


OK Liam et al: Go to YouTube and search for Tom Jones Robbie Williams. It is a video made by Robbie Williams about Tom's INFLUENCE on him and his career. My goodness, can you imagine...TOM'S INFLUENCE ON ANOTHER ARTIST. Robbie's not the only one, but he made a video. And check out the name of the award...OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTION TO MUSIC AWARD, won in 2003 in the UK. Are they the only ones that recognize his talent, contributions and influence? Seems so.

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 10:41am


Wow, that's ONE artist that cites Tom Jones. The crappy, drug-addled Robbie Williams (and I'm reluctant to call him an 'artist'; he's more of a product). I doubt you could fill expand that 'list' beyond ten.

I'd love to know who gave out that award to him.

Your whole comment just came across as a get-out for avoiding Jone's minimal influence and non-existant innovation.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 11:14am


Figured that would get your attention. I will find out who gave out the award. Oh yes, Elvis influenced by Tom to return to Las Vegas ,,,and there are others. Besides others have given you names earlier. Isn't it called the Rock and Roll Hall of FAME????? Did you go to the website I mentioned. Probably not.

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 15:27pm


Go on, give me a comprehesive list of artists who owe and/or cite Tom Jones. You've given me two so far, although whether the Elvis case counts is dubious at best, since this is primarily about influence of sound.

"Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" was a terrible, terrible choice of name for two reasons: one, not only has the Hall honoured artists outside "rock and roll," it has even honoured artists from different genres (eg Hank Williams from country, Miles Davis from jazz); two, the Hall has honoured a number of artists who weren't exactly 'famous.' How many chart-toppers did The Velvet Underground or Frank Zappa have?

And no, I didn't watch that video. I took your word for it.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 15:40pm


Liam: You are probably not old enough to remember the start of Rock "n" Roll. I am, I was around before the first Doo Wop and have seen and heard the changes in music. When RnR first started it was a great time to be alive, and the music reflected the times. THAT was Rock and Roll, and most probably the reason the Hall was started. Today, the music STILL reflects the times, but it's not happy anymore. It's noisy and sometime impossible to understand and I won't even go into Rap... That's not music, it's talking. Although I may not like the road RnR has taken, I don't have any problems with some of the current inductees, but I still think that so many of the "original" artists have been shamefully ignored. And, I think that Tom is one of them.

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 16:53pm


Stop trying to make some case as to how old you are and how you were there at the dawn of rn'r. It's really unimpressive, and for all I know, not true. Try making some actual points, that'd be good.

Don't like rap? That's a shame. Completely irrelevant to the conversation, though.

Anyone who thinks of Tom Jones as an "original artist" has clearly never heard of Captain Beefheart, Frank Zappa, The Fall, Joy Division, Husker Du, Cocteau Twins, The Mekons or Pere Ubu. Unless you're about to show me what he innovated (and he didn't), please don't go round making implications that he did.



And the most interesting bit is where you completely avoided making that comprehensive list of Tom Jones' followers I asked for.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 17:08pm


It will come, however, I don't think it's really that important...Your list of "original artists" of Rock and Roll is laughable. The Platters, The Flamingos, The Earls,the 5 Satins, The Mello Kings, Bill Haley and the Comets, Jerry Lee Lewis,...there are hundreds, and I can name a lot more. Original to me means the first, the basis or basic, the beginning of something. By the way, I don't lie, and even though it is none of your business, I am 65 years old whether or not you believe it and I WAS around when Rock and Roll began and was disparaged by the "older generation". I knew every word of most of the songs and still can sing along with most of them. But then, lyrics were important then and you could pretty much understand every word...except, of course, Louis, Louis. I LOVE THAT OLD TIME ROCK AND ROLL, THE KIND OF MUSIC THAT STIRS MY SOUL.

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 17:32pm


"It will come" = It won't come at all/It will and it will contain about five artists, max.

You're missing the point with the age thing. By about a mile. Or twenty. Thousand.

My list of "original artists" is laughable? Seriously? Are you even remotely aware of who The Mekons are and what contributed to music?

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 17:41pm


You are correct, I don't know who the Mekons are but I just went to their My Space page. They don't sound bad..but one of them is singing off key in the background. The point is...do YOU know any of the original Rock and Roll artists from the 50's and 60's???? I imagine you don't, that's why you completely ignored that part of my answer to you. How about the Coasters?

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 17:50pm


Here are the 5 Satins...Original Rock and Roll...and great Doo Wop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX9Q5zFUcaU

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 17:53pm


The Penguins, Earth Angel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JR0Utfu-B8&feature=related

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 17:57pm


One final link....Original Rock and Roll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXqgO63b59c&feature=related

That's when and why this all started.

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 04.19.08 @ 18:13pm


Again, you kind of missed the point. The Mekons were the first of the alt-folk artists, so I'm pretty sure they were original. Do a bit of research, and you'll see how expendable Tom Jones is to the bigger picture of music.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 11:17am


I am aware that Mekon fused a bit of country into their sound, but I am not sure that can be deemed as innovative. Interesting, yes but I don't think they kicked any doors down with this sound. It certainly wasn't the first time some genre of Rock and Roll were fused with country/folk.

Although I am sure a few musicians were inspired by their sound, I am interested in knowing what musicians or bands clearly state them as a major influence. Thnx.

Posted by Frankie on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 11:33am


I'm wasn't talking about "some genre," I was talking about the creation of alt-folk, specifically. Learn to read.

If you're not aware of their influence, do some research. I don't get paid to teach, so I don't intend to.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 11:41am


I can see you are making more new friends Liam. You must be truly blessed. I find it funny how you like to challenge me and others when we mention that someone or another cites another musician as an influence, but when someone challenges you with the same question, you deflect it with your obnoxious and faux elitism "I don't get paid to teach" and "learn to read".

You truly are a silly little boy. And I see that you are getting slapped around on Depeche Mode. I wonder why that is? It must be due to the fact that you are so loved and respected on this site.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 14:31pm


I don't have to give examples of who The Mekons influenced because they aren't the case at hand. I simply used hem as an example of an 'original' artist.

You know, maybe if I was making a case for The Mekons (and I'm not, at least not here) you'd actually have a case to make against me not giving examples, but I'm not, so you don't.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 14:36pm


What do you mean you weren't making a case as to the Mekon? Isn't the below comment from you? You used them as an example to dismiss Tom Jones. I don't even know why you continue in the arguememt against him. All points as to whether he deserves an honor or not have been made a hundred times.

Again, you kind of missed the point. The Mekons were the first of the alt-folk artists, so I'm pretty sure they were original. Do a bit of research, and you'll see how expendable Tom Jones is to the bigger picture of music. - Liam

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 15:03pm


I used The Mekons as an example for an original artist, as to try and disspell the notion that Tom Jones was one of them. Influence had nothing to do with that point, so there was no need for me to show who The Mekons influenced.

Yes, if I was making a case for their induction, I'd give examples of what they innovated ASWELL AS examples of those who followed them. But I wasn't making a case for The Mekons induction at all, simply using them as an offhand example as to what is "original," so it wasn't necessary for me to give examples.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.20.08 @ 15:20pm


You know what's really funny Liam? You are so into today's groups, you have NO IDEA about the first Rock and Roll groups, Doo Wop, and all that followed for the next 20 years until Disco came around. No idea!!!!! You may not like the early Rock and Roll music (that is, if you ever heard it) but if it weren't for all of those artists, there would be no Rock and Roll at all and all of this would be moot. You sit around and make yourself out the Rock and Roll expert, when you know nothing about the history and the early music of Rock and Roll. At least that's the way it seems since you made no comments since I brought them up. Let me know (I'm sure you will in no uncertain terms) if I am mistaken.

Posted by tjonly on Monday, 04.21.08 @ 16:39pm


TOM JONES NOT AN ORIGINAL ARTISTE !!!!!!!!
THEN WHO IS LIKE TOM ??????? HE HAS HIS OWN STYLE AND A GREAT VOICE.
I DONT THINK TOM WILL BE WORRIED BY ANY RUDE
COMMENTS ON HERE. DO YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

Posted by tojo on Tuesday, 04.22.08 @ 06:14am


Why is that knob Liam still on this site. He is a rock hating piece oh sh)t. Why don't you just leave us all alone here. You know nothing about rock n roll. Go listen to your piece o crap Fall and Cockotoo Twins!!!!

Posted by moterfly on Tuesday, 04.22.08 @ 06:36am


"You are so into today's groups, you have NO IDEA about the first Rock and Roll groups, Doo Wop, and all that followed for the next 20 years until Disco came around."

Where'd you get that from? Because in actuality, I know alot about music.

"You may not like the early Rock and Roll music (that is, if you ever heard it) but if it weren't for all of those artists, there would be no Rock and Roll at all and all of this would be moot."

How is this relevant at all? Doo Wop is but a fraction of RnB, and I'm pretty sure Blues is much, much more important in rock's development than doo wop.

"You sit around and make yourself out the Rock and Roll expert, when you know nothing about the history and the early music of Rock and Roll. At least that's the way it seems since you made no comments since I brought them up. Let me know (I'm sure you will in no uncertain terms) if I am mistaken."

Or I missed it. Yes, you're mistaken, but I really have no idea as to how this is at all relative to the discussion (it's about Tom Jones, BTW).


But surely I could have just turned around and shouted "You know nothing about post-punk!", "You don't know jack about the Riot Grrrl movement"?

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.22.08 @ 07:01am


It's really funny how many people resort to insults as soon as their arguments run dry. Yes, I'm looking at you, moterfly.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.22.08 @ 07:03am


You are just a jackhole that nobody can stand Liam. I sit here and read all your bs. You know nothing and are nothing. Almost everyone who has read your opinions has come to that conclusion. You can't play a lick but you sure like to throw your opinion out like your some well reknown critic. We should have a vote on this site to vote you off the island!!!

Posted by moterfly on Tuesday, 04.22.08 @ 07:19am


You can't even get The Cocteau Twins name right, so you're in no real position to comment on my knowledge of music. Or anything.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.22.08 @ 07:24am



"I know a lot about music"
I'm sure you do, about the music that appeals to you, that you grew up on...but you seem to turn your nose up on what came before and, as I noted before, started the whole RnR genre. You are very selective in your knowledge of music.

"How is this relevant at all? Doo Wop is but a fraction of RnB, and I'm pretty sure Blues is much, much more important in rock's development than doo wop".

I'm not going to argue with you, as I couldn't measure one style of music against another as to how much they influenced the development of Rock and Roll, I just know when and how it started. I don't claim to be an expert, as you do, so I don't comment on groups or artists that I don't know about.

This is relevant regarding Tom Jones because this is the kind of music that influenced his career.

"But surely I could have just turned around and shouted "You know nothing about post-punk!", "You don't know jack about the Riot Grrrl movement"?

You are correct there is a lot I don't know about today's music...but I don't pretend to be an expert on it or the groups and artists either. The only thing I have said about it is that it just sounds like a lot of loud noise. If that's what you prefer, more power to you. I don't need to study music to know what I like and what makes me feel good. Isn't that the point? Listening to something that makes you feel good.

Posted by TJonly on Wednesday, 04.23.08 @ 16:42pm


Hint: Riot Grrrl and post-punk are past-tense in his post, indicating that they are not necessarily "today's music."

And sure, no one said you had to study just to listen to any enjoy music, but when you get into a serious discussion about music with regard to history, it matters.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 04.23.08 @ 23:43pm


It's really funny how many people resort to insults as soon as their arguments run dry. Yes, I'm looking at you, moterfly. - Liam

Thank God no one can ever accuse you of that!

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 04.24.08 @ 06:42am


It's not as if you've never resorted to insults before. Something about Podunk, USA?

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 04.24.08 @ 06:52am


I never claimed that I didn't.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 04.24.08 @ 08:03am


Considering the poll asks "Will" and not "Should" Tom Jones be inducted, I voted no. I like his voice and his music, but I just don't see it happening, based on who's been nominated and inducted.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 04.24.08 @ 10:46am


That doesn't mean it can't happen. Philip

Posted by tjonly on Thursday, 04.24.08 @ 16:57pm


True, but we're being asked if we think it will happen. As much as I'd love to see it happen, I don't think it will, unfortunately. But hey, stranger things have happened.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 04.24.08 @ 18:25pm


I have been a fan of Tom Jones since I was three years old. 37 years later, I still love him, and have great admiration and respect for the gentleman. One who deserves to be inducted into the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame should be Sir Tom Jones, without giving a second thought in mind. Why is it that it's taking so long for it to happen? Truely, is a mystery to me. In fact, Sir Jones should have the one of the first candidates to be included in the induction ceremony the day those doors to the hall of fame opened. Surely, that's how much this music industry respects this man, simply none, in my opinion. Well, don't worry my dear friend, Sir Tom Jones. You have already been inducted into the hearts of thousands who love you very much, over and over. To me, as well as to countless others, you are already a winner. Continued success, good health, happiness and prosperity. Thank you, Sir Tom, for the great memories especially when you allowed me to come up on stage with you, at Westbury, when I was very young, and be able to talk to you and get to hold your microphone. What a pure delight that was for me. Thank you, and Cheers.

Posted by KimfromWestbury on Thursday, 04.24.08 @ 23:30pm


Ok Liam here's one for you...Tom Jones can sing with anyone and and style song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lp293nx16g&feature=related

Posted by misty861 on Friday, 04.25.08 @ 22:28pm


For the umpteenth time: Tom Jones sold his soul to Vegas back in 1968 and never looked back or regretted it. God bless the guy, but let the pipe dream that he is a rock-n-roll or even a pop artist go. Let it go... let it die. You're daft if you don't.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 04.25.08 @ 22:36pm


Yeah, Shawn, that's the biggest criticism right there. It just seems that to a lot of insiders, Las Vegas is to rock'n'roll what Berlin was to the Allied powers. Tom Jones went Vegas while still in his prime, unlike Hall of Famers Elvis, Elton, and Bobby Darin... to those people, saying Tom Jones belongs in is like saying Wayne Newton belongs in too.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 04.26.08 @ 01:01am


Well all I can say is...if Madonna and The Dave Clark Five got inducted and Sir Tom Jones has not already been inducted THERE IS SOMETHING VERY WRONG HERE! What has Madonna done to influence Rock and Roll or The Dave Clark Five ...COME ON THIS IS ALL MESSYY POLITICS... IF ELVIS HAS BEEN INDUCTED THEN SIR TOM SHOULD HAVE BEEN INDUCTED A LONG TIME AGO!

Posted by misty on Saturday, 04.26.08 @ 16:08pm


"What has Madonna done to influence Rock and Roll" - misty

As you're yet to explain exactly how Tom Jones deserves induction himself, I don't see how your question deserves an answer.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.26.08 @ 16:17pm


"Ok Liam here's one for you...Tom Jones can sing with anyone and and style song!" - misty

Uncomfortable fun watching Tom Jones shuffle through AC/DC's "It's a Long Way to the Top..", but it does nothing to demonstarte that he belongs in a Rock Hall.

You can also find footage of Jones singigng with Mark Knopfler, Stevie Wonder, Jeff Beck, Janis Joplin (actually pretty fantastic!) and Robbie Williams, hear him do covers of Ram Jam's "Black Betty", Prince's "Kiss" and even Arctic Monkeys.

In all of them he looks like a great show at The Sands - trademark power vocals and all, but he is VERY Broadway show/Vegas-like. That was just this forte. He ain't rock and roll.

I can also steer you to Pat Boone circa 1997 doing covers of Dio, Metallica, Alice Cooper and Van Halen on "In a Metal Mood". And....

I also have a recording of Ozzy Osbourne doing The Bee Gee's "Stayin Alive". Is this something to put on Ozzy's Hall resume?

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 04.27.08 @ 21:39pm


Tom Jones is the most versatile singer of his generation and is not really a Vegas lounge lizard as some would say. He started doing rock and roll and rhythm and blues and that's what he's been keeping returning to all his life as a singer. As a matter of fact, Elvis asked him once how he was able to sing rock and roll so powerfully. Anyway, there's enough footage out there to prove it.

Posted by Marciano on Monday, 04.28.08 @ 05:01am


Blah-blah-blah Marciano... there us no reasoning with you Sir Tom toadies - you see him through too thick a haze of worship. Whatever.

In watching the footage of his duet with Janis Joplin and his brief bluesy number with Jeff Beck, one can see a glimpse of what Jones could have chosen to be, yes, but around 1968-69 he chose the way of the variety show, cover songs, kitschy stuff; that was obviously where he felt comfortable. All your kind's tired references to how Elvis praised Jones for this or that means nothing because A) After that crossroads time Jones embraced his Vegas side and B)Elvis Presley eventually also went the way of the strip.

When has Tom Jones been on the radio with an original rock or pop song or been considered such since 1971 with "She's a Lady" (that even a stretch - kitschy fun, but borderline Showbiz jazz hands stuff)?

Don't be delusional. Try the veal and tip your waitresses; G'NIGHT!

Posted by shawn on Monday, 04.28.08 @ 09:33am


"Tom is the number one today, and i am his number one fan", Frank Sinatra.
"this man comes closest to me, the way i sing and entertain" Elvis Presley
"tom without you're act, i wouldn't have an act" Robbie Williams
"It changed the temperature of the room (when tom was on tv)" Bono, U2, age 8 at the time
"i started as a background singer for this man" Elton John
"the voice", according to Janis Joplin
"the only white soul singer", Wilson Pickett

‘If I had my way, I think Tom Jones and Shirley Bassey should sing all the Bond songs. Don’t bother with all the Sheryl Crows and the Madonnas because, with all due respect to these people, it’s a Tom Jones or Bassey job. You need someone like that.’ - Don Black

"The first few bars were all I needed to hear; they convinced me that here was a voice that could make him the greatest singer in the world". -Gordon Mills (was his manager) when he first time heard Tom singing... How right he was? Uhm YES!

Btw Tom Co-Wrote many songs.

Posted by Demso on Saturday, 05.3.08 @ 06:03am


Yes, yes, yes, Liam Mr. Know-It-All. Tom co-wrote songs with Jools Holland, Wyclef Jean among others.

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 05.3.08 @ 07:22am


>>>When has Tom Jones been on the radio with an original rock or pop song or been considered such since 1971 with "She's a Lady" (that even a stretch - kitschy fun, but borderline Showbiz jazz hands stuff)?>>>

Shawn, Don't you know most radio deejays cannot play music of their choice? Someone has to pay the radio stations to play the artists music. This may not be a priority to Tom's management.

Also, you need to do some research...Tom Jones has had many hits since She's a Lady!!!!!!

Posted by Marian on Saturday, 05.3.08 @ 13:01pm


"Yes, yes, yes, Liam Mr. Know-It-All. Tom co-wrote songs with Jools Holland, Wyclef Jean among others." - tjonly

Doesn't mean he influenced them. And even if he did, you've still not breached five artists influenced by Tom Jones.

"Shawn, Don't you know most radio deejays cannot play music of their choice?" - Marian

Yeah, they're all GAGGING to play his stuff. They're just not allowed to.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 05.3.08 @ 13:08pm


Liam. I keep finding more and more information about Tom's talents and have decided that since you have absolutely no say in the matter of who does or does not get in to the HoF, I'm not wasting my time with you but with those that CAN get him in. Have put much too much importance on your opinions.

Posted by tjonly on Friday, 05.9.08 @ 08:05am


"I keep finding more and more information about Tom's talents and have decided that since you have absolutely no say in the matter of who does or does not get in to the HoF," - tjonly

Except you must have missed the part where "talent" was never an induction criteria.

There are hundreds (thousands, even) of artists I think of as having "talent."

Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.9.08 @ 10:44am


Liam - I am surprised you did not go after that Anon Commitee member on the Super Furry Animals (whatever their name is)page. Are you mellowing?

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 05.9.08 @ 10:50am


=/

You don't know SFA?! You've missed out BIG TIME!

Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.9.08 @ 10:55am


I am getting old Liam and I just don't have enough time in the day to sit back and try out music which I am unfamiliar with. I have given a listen to this "Lo-Fi" genre a bit. I don't know if SFA is part of that genre. I must say that I was not too impressed with it at all. It is just not my cup of tea.

But really, why are you letting those comments go untouched? I doubt they are actually from a Committee member. It reminds me of when someone tried to pose here as Jerry Cantrell a month ago.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 05.9.08 @ 11:10am


SFA aren't lo-fi in the slightest... they are experimental britpop. Think the (experimental) Beatles for the '90s. You'll like it, I'm sure!

BTW I actually did respond to those comments...

Posted by Liam on Friday, 05.9.08 @ 11:24am


Sir Tom Jones, i thought he had already been in the rock n roll hall of fame.

He is bigger than life, he will forever be around,and not ever forgotten,and He Himself is and has found the fountain of youth.

He gave his life to us, litteraly, yes he has been well compensated, but no money is worth your life, but he really did give his life to all of us beautiful adoring fans.

His voice is the most powerful i have ever heard, yet so sexy and forever young. No other actor, singer can or ever hold a candle to this man.

I wonder is their so many jealous men out their that have that power.(to vote him in)

I know every man I tell tom is so great has a jealous comment, and negative thing to say. So I guess it must be a jealous man who has had that power.(to vote him in) I would be suprised if it was a women in charge. If it is she is a total prude, and miserarable.

Tom should have been their, done that a long time ago. We love you tom jones, you are forever in our hearts, thank you for all your years pleeese give us many more, thanks for giving us all your passion your heart and your soul and your life. Hope to see you in vegas in 20 years.

We have always apprieciated your dedication to your singing and you are loved by all of us. thank you for all the years, again! you were my first crush, i was a baby and loved you than, love you more now, your really soooo hooootttt!

Angelina

Posted by angelina on Monday, 05.12.08 @ 01:09am


Liam, I would suggest you check out the link below for a fantastic video of Tom singing at his best...rock, roll and soul all rolled into one!! Any comments??

http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item,452425740.aspx

Posted by Marian on Tuesday, 05.13.08 @ 10:28am


Yes, Tom, I like good music. That's why I hit x within about 10 seconds of you asking....

But how the hell is that a case for his induction?

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 05.13.08 @ 11:10am


Tom Jones has performed for us for many years and has proven to be a great leader and example of what true singers and performers should be he stands alone, as the Best Male Artist in his age group I recall seeing him perform on his weekly t.v. show as a child and Ive been a fan o his ever since. I vote yes.

Posted by Robert on Tuesday, 05.13.08 @ 15:21pm


Happy Birthday Tom...may you live another 68 years. You've shown them...you can still knock 'em on their butts with your voice. No one, no one has your power, emotion, charisma and love of music. No matter what this stupid Hall of Fame does...you will always be inducted into Hall of Fame of our hearts.

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 06.7.08 @ 08:54am


It's fair to say that Tom's isn't a pure rock act, a lot of the inductees aren't or weren't either. He's got as amazing a voice as any over the last 50 years. He certainly deserves consideration.

Posted by Frank on Sunday, 06.8.08 @ 10:53am


OMG!!!I am an AUSTRALIAN who has been listening to great music for more than 40 years and I am gobsmaked that a BLOODY... BRILLIANT... AWESOME...INCREDIBLE...singer like SIR TOM JONES...is not already in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.He has been entertaining the people of this planet for more than forty years!!!NOW... is the time for this rip snorter(aust for fantastic)MASTERPIECE of a singer to have this award...he stands out like a shag on a rock(aust again)!!!Do the right and only thing....INDUCT TOM JONES RIGHT NOW!!! G`Day from OZ!!!

Posted by MAXINE-MICHELLE on Thursday, 06.12.08 @ 01:04am


Tom Jones is the best! Period!!! No one deserves to included in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame more than Tom. He can out sing, out perform anyone in the music industry. You cannot go see one of his shows without coming away admiring the man and his music! If you were already a fan of his music, then you just love him even more. If you have ever heard Tom sing along with any of today's groups, his voice is clearly better and the moves... he still has what it takes; he blows the young guys away...He puts them all to shame!Go Tom! Forever!!!

Posted by Carol Foster on Friday, 06.13.08 @ 11:52am


Jesus Christ, can we stop talking about Tom Jones? It's Tom Jones for God's sake! The man is not rock and roll and never has been. He doesn't need 300 comments for anyone to realize this. Give it a rest, people.

Posted by an unbiased appraisal on Friday, 06.13.08 @ 13:32pm


No we will not stop talking about Tom Jones because this man is pure Rock 'n' Roll, soul and blues - Have you seen him lately in his live performance???? - If not you better get going but beware to get blown away by his VOICE, his SOUL and his performance - this man is one of a million and truly deserves to be in this rock'n' roll hall of fame - if he doesn't get in - well shame on the one's who are RESPONSIBLE for this - you miss out A LEGEND - a true performer - a blue eyed SOUL MAN........

Posted by BeBe on Friday, 06.13.08 @ 15:28pm


EXCUSE ME WHOEVER YOU ARE UNBIASED, BUT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT JESUS CHRIST HERE AND THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO DISCUSS JESUS! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SIR TOM JONES! TOM HAS THE MOST FANTASTIC VOICE AND TOM SINGS WITH SOUL AND FEELING! TOM HAS BEEN ENTERTAINING ALL AGES FOR OVER 40 YEARS...HAVE YOU EVER SEEN TOM PERFORM...IF NOT...THEN YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER MUCH ON HERE AFTER ALL THIS IS THE TOM JONES VOTING PAGE..SO YES WE WILL TALK A LOT ABOUT TOM. I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO SEE SIR TOM PERFORM THEN GIVE US YOUR OPIONION. THANK YOU!

Posted by MISTY on Friday, 06.13.08 @ 17:18pm


I do believe the name at the top of this page is Tom Jones, or maybe you can't read. I echo Bebe and Misty and Maxine-Michelle and Carol's comments. There is, and never will be, another performer as great as Tom Jones.

Posted by Anita on Saturday, 06.14.08 @ 05:39am


You're all just a load of small-minded fanboys. And that's not an insult, btw. It's an observation. Tom Jones can't just be a great performer, or among the best; he's got to be THE best or you're not real fan, right? Critiscism is bad, afterall.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 06.14.08 @ 06:33am


All any doubter has to do to prove to him/herself that Tom can sing anything and should already be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: Just type in Tom Jones on the YouTube site. There is amazing content and all genres of music he has performed. I am a born-again believer in the power of this man's voice; there is no artist, and I repeat NO artist who can compare with Tom's great voice!!!

Posted by mmd4tj on Saturday, 06.14.08 @ 13:00pm


I have been a fan of Tom's since his first show aired in 1969! His talent and voice should not go unnoticed... it's about time, Sir Tom Jones should be honored!!!

Posted by Dotty on Monday, 06.16.08 @ 16:12pm


I believe that Tom Jones should be added to the List.Tom is an amazing singer and entertainer.
I love his music.
Go Tom Go................

Posted by JK on Tuesday, 06.17.08 @ 05:19am


Tom Jone's imapct on music is immeasurable!!!
There's no denying his charisma, staggering chart hit count & ability to stay cuurent & relevant 40+ years after "INU".
Give TJ the recognition that he, so richly, deserves.
Please add him to the list & induct him as soon as possible.

Posted by JTM on Tuesday, 06.17.08 @ 17:40pm


Tom Jone's imapct on music is immeasurable!!!
There's no denying his charisma, staggering chart hit count & ability to stay cuurent & relevant 40+ years after "INU".
Give TJ the recognition that he, so richly, deserves.
Please add him to the list & induct him as soon as possible.

Posted by JTM on Tuesday, 06.17.08 @ 17:41pm


Sir Tom Jones should have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame a long time ago!!!! Sir Tom, has entertained all ages of people for over 40 years and Tom still is the greatest! His charisma, his showmanship and most of all THAT FANTASTIC VOICE of his still sells out all of his concerts!!!! If Sir Tom Jones is not inducted then there is something very wrong with the committee who elects the nominees...The best groups find it an honor to be on the same stage as Sir Tom and I have seen plenty of these Rock groups. It is time for the Nominating Committee to do this THE RIGHT WAY FOR THOSE OTHERS TO WHO DESERVE TO BE INDUCTED!!! If Madonna was inducted then you are doing something very wrong!!!!

Posted by Kim on Tuesday, 06.17.08 @ 17:55pm


I'm not denying Tom Jones' showmanship or the power of his voice, but unfortunately (for him) talent, success and longevity are not the criteria used to get in the HoF. Please, enlighten me, what is Tom Jones' historical importance? Would the history of pop music be any different if Tom Jones never went into showbusiness and stayed a door-to-door vacuum cleaner salesman? I've read many books on the history of rock & pop music, and Tom Jones is rarely even mentioned.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 06.18.08 @ 03:12am


I have one question for The_Claw, what has Madonna done for the history of Music! Well all I know is she can masterbate on stage...or the Dave Clark Five...what have they done to be inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame answer these questions for me!!!! Sir Tom Jones is a LEGEND!!! Tom had his own TV shows....sang with the best of them and still can!!!His concerts are always sold out...so tell me the difference between Madonna and Sir Tom. He was knighted by the Queen, Sir Tom deserves, like many others who have not be inducted, to be inducted into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Tom can still Rock and Roll and entertains all ages! Answer please!!!!

Posted by Kim on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 06:29am


To All Tom Jones Fans:

I mean no disrespect to you or Sir Tom. I admire the man's singing and performing talents. Besides, any one who can make ladies swoon is always a-ok in my book. That being said -

1) What does being knighted have to do with the RnR Hall of Fame?

2) What if any innovations did he bring to Rock/Pop music?

3) Who did Sir Tom actually influence?

4) What style of music did he actually influence?

5) Understanding that Sir Tom has had a very long and successful career (kudos), when did he ever dominate the charts?

6) What has Sir Tom done to perpetuate the continuation of Rock and Roll as an artform?

None of his detractors here are saying that Tom Jones is a terrible artist. In fact, most of us have stated that if their is ever a , Performers", "Vocalist" or "Singers" Hall of Fame, then he is certainly deserving. If their is a Hall of Fame for Vegas performers, I will be right their jumping on the Sir Tom bandwagon. I even remeber as a kid his variety show which was actually pretty good, his guitarist was great.

When deciding which direction he wanted his musical career to go in, Tom Jones made a clear and definitive choice. And it clearly worked for him, but it is not RnR Hall of Fame worthy.

As for Madonna and the DC5 - I am torn. Madonna has clearly influenced many pop tarts that followed and I am not talking about the Britney Spears generation. Now I am of the opinion that if MTV did not exist at the time, Madonna would not have had the impact that she had. The DC5 basically challenged the Beatles for Pop supremacy for a couple of years. They were the ones considered the number 2 band in the British Invasion moreso than the Stones.

I cannot defend all the bands which have already been inducted. If there is one thing that almost everyone here agrees with is that the HoF nominating commitee is pretty much useless.

Again, my comments are said with all respect to the performer and his fans.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 08:16am


Very smart Kim, distracting me with Madonna so you don't have to answer my question. I'm not gonna fall for it, though, I asked a question first. Avoiding it, well, that's kinda rude, don't you think? But I can assure you, historical importance is the reason both Madonna and the Dave Clark Five were inducted.

You're telling me all this reasons why Tom Jones is great, but not why he is important to the history of music. I know he has a very powerful voice, sang with other famous acts, has a long, succesful career with sold out concerts and hits in almost every decade, and was knighted. But those are not the criteria the HoF uses to induct acts!

Was he a pioneer? Who were influenced by him? Did he make important innovations? What was his role in for instance the history of blue-eyed soul? Were his sound or his performances in any way revolutionary? Did his music make it easier for other artists to find success?

The difference between Tom Jones and Madonna is, that her contributions to the history of music are generally acknowledged. You won't find a book on the history of pop music that wouldn't mention her, except the ones that are more than twenty years old. But Tom Jones is frequently ignored in these books. Now I give you, Kim, the chance to explain to me why that's wrong. Grab it! I dare you!

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 06.19.08 @ 08:44am


Tom Jones is an icon. He began singing in pubs in Whales as a young man, and his voice got even better over the years. He has an amazing range and if you don't think so, observe that Tom can sing anything. He can sing any hit song and be great. Rock, pop, opera, country he can sing it. But how many singers can sing his songs? They can't. He's a great performer, has entertained untold milions, and he deserves recognition. His voice is suited to basically any style unlike many of his contemoraries. Maybe some balk at his induction because he's not stuck in a pidgeon hole. Like I said, he can sing any style, and that includes Rock.........He has my vote.

Talent, Charisma, Dedication and passion for his craft are all attributes he posseses...

Posted by Earth on Wednesday, 06.25.08 @ 14:54pm


Robbie Williams said many times that Tom Influenced him, and without Tom he has no act.. Theres a video of it aswell, when Tom got Outstanding Contribution To The Music Industry (Brit Awards)
He won grammy for best new artist.. When he was young..

Brits chairman Tony Wadsworth said: "Tom Jones is one of the truly great British recording artists who commands respect and admiration from artists in all genres of music."

"Tom Jones has remained highly respected by other singers and continues to attract audiences of all ages"

Bono, said that he watched a lot TJ show when he was young.. (ill be back on this later.)

Elvis actually was lot in his audiance and took some act of Tom Jones to his vegas things, more sexy more moves, because TJ was big hit in vegas at the time, and Elvis failed to be great in vegas, while The Beatles was really hot, and group band "thing" was very popular, and tbh you actually can see some kind of change to his voice when he watched TJ shows.. More vibrato, using the low notes effect like Tom always did.. To make more emotion.. (I get back to this later aswell..)

Pavarotti was fan.. I get back to Janis Joplin soon.. When i find what she said, about TJ.. From the books of mine..

Posted by Demso on Tuesday, 07.1.08 @ 08:13am


Thanks Demso. Great comment.

Posted by Tjonly on Tuesday, 07.1.08 @ 16:04pm


Thanks for all comments!
D

Posted by tombabe on Sunday, 07.6.08 @ 08:44am


Demso, Thanks for naming some of the artists Tom has influenced. This factor seems to be so important to some of the posters on this site. We, as fans, know Tom has been influential to thousands in the music industry, but some posters on this forum seem to want them named "individually."

Posted by Marian on Sunday, 07.6.08 @ 14:36pm


A FEW WORDS! but tom sould be the one because he is simply the best in every possible way!

Posted by PEGGYSUE on Saturday, 07.26.08 @ 13:31pm


I have Sir Tom for over 35 yrs & he his a great showman And if he can be knighted by the Queen England than I think he should given this honor.His music has stood the test of time and he still looks damn good and that voice still is going strong. Come on give him the vote.

Posted by Jessica Sherwood on Wednesday, 08.6.08 @ 17:05pm


Hi may I say I`am sure we all Love Elvis and many others but Mr.Tom Jones has paid his dues for over 40 years and his stage presents singing vocal ability is second to done he is a super star a living Legend that should be treated as such in his field ! He`s done it all God Bless Mr.Jones !

Posted by Paul Driscoll on Wednesday, 08.13.08 @ 17:33pm


Hi may I say I`am sure we all Love Elvis and many others but Mr.Tom Jones has paid his dues for over 40 years and his stage presents singing vocal ability is second to done he is a super star a living Legend that should be treated as such in his field ! He`s done it all God Bless Mr.Jones !

Posted by Paul Driscoll on Wednesday, 08.13.08 @ 17:33pm


SIR TOM JONES HAS SURPASSED EVEN FRANK SINATRA,AS FAR AS KEEPING THE FULL TONE AND QUALITY IN HIS VOICE, FRANK WAS GREAT BUT TOM HAS THE FULL RANGE OF HIS VOICE, IN FACT IT SOUNDS BETTER NOW THEN WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER, HE IS A GREAT HUMAN BEING AND ENTERTAINER, AND YES IT IS HIS TIME TO HAVE THIS HONOR LETS GIVE IT TO HIM. HE IS AS GOOD TODAY AS HE WAS WHEN I FIRST LISTENED TO HIM 30 YEARS AGO., HE IS KIND AND LOOKS LIKE HE NEVER LET FAME GO TO HIS HEAD , GOD BLESS TOM JONES

Posted by MADALAINE on Tuesday, 08.19.08 @ 19:14pm


i believe he should be into the rock n roll hall of fame as he has been in the music business for over 40 years now
his showmanship is just great
so please put him on the ballot

Posted by ELIZABETH on Sunday, 08.24.08 @ 07:32am


After 40 years in the business and still playing to Sold Out theaters some one in the Hall of Fame should stand up and nominate Tom. His stage presence is second to none and his shows still have as much energy as they did 40 years ago, not to mention his voice is one of the ten wonders of the world. Any one already in the Hall could learn a few things from Tom Jones.

Posted by Ken on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 13:42pm


I've never heard of these "ten wonders of the world." Obviously the voice of Tom Jones is one of them, but what are the other nine, Ken? I bet Tom's chest hair is one. And his tight leather pants is another one. I guess that just leaves seven more!

Posted by Marlie on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 13:49pm


lol

Posted by Brian on Tuesday, 09.2.08 @ 13:55pm


well the man has done it again another new cd out very soon, told you he is simply the best!! and the voice that melts you and not forgetting tom himself yummy yummy!

Posted by peggysue on Thursday, 09.11.08 @ 12:59pm


All I can really say is, "Have you seen a Tom Jones show recently???". The sheer power of his voice, the charisma of involving his fans in the show, and the relentless work ethic of this performer, well it all speaks for itself!! It would dishonor the other inductees to overlook SIR TOM JONES!

Posted by Tania on Thursday, 09.11.08 @ 14:27pm


All I can really say is, "Have you seen a Tom Jones show recently???". The sheer power of his voice, the charisma of involving his fans in the show, and the relentless work ethic of this performer, well it all speaks for itself!! It would dishonor the other inductees to overlook SIR TOM JONES!

Posted by Tania on Thursday, 09.11.08 @ 14:27pm


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He is the greatest!!!

Posted by mrxyz on Thursday, 09.11.08 @ 14:41pm


Hey, everybody. NOW YOU CAN'T SAY TOM HASN'T WRITTEN ANYTHING. HIS NEW ALBUM SOON TO BE RELEASED PROVES ALL OF YOU WRONG, ESPECIALLY LIAM.
READ THIS AND WEEP!

Jones co-wrote over half of the songs on ’24 Hours,’ a first for him. “It’s all very well just singing songs, but for this record I really wanted to get properly personal. I’ve been getting reflective recently, looking over my journey through life, and I wanted to make something that was all about me, my stories, to get that down in song. In other words, you listen to this album and you get the real me.” While the production references the impassioned cinematic classics of his early career mixed with a current cross-genre template, the performances deliver the unique power and iconic sound of Jones’ voice, given over to expressing the range and emotion of a mature man who has lived a large and full life.

In addition to Jones' co-written songs, Bono and the Edge of U2 contribute and play guitar on a brand new song "Sugar Daddy,” written specifically for Jones and inspired by a meeting of the friends in a pub in Dublin. Elsewhere, Jones soars on the Tommy James and the Shondells classic "I'm Alive," produced by the team of S*A*M and SLUGGO (Gym Class Heroes, Metro Station), delivers a devastating take on Bruce Springsteen’s "The Hitter,” produced Steve Greenberg, Michael Mangini and Betty Wright (the team behind Joss Stone’s first two albums), swings a classic cool latin beat on the Pumali Panthers’ “Style and Rhythm,” and performs a previously unrecorded composition by Stax legend Carla Thomas, "More Than Memories."

According to S-Curve CEO Steve Greenberg, "Tom Jones is one of the most versatile and emotionally powerful singers in contemporary music. He has made an album that fully showcases his range as a performer. On top of that, his emergence as co-writer of much of this album conveys a lifetime of experiences that is both reflective and uplifting."

Posted by tjonly on Saturday, 09.20.08 @ 16:01pm


a true giant in the business, a phenomenal voice, and still able to perform with the best. A real shame he is not there. Not to forget his acting in "Mars Attacks...":)

Posted by Tim O on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 14:48pm


Ask Robbie Williams, Bono and others that have talked about Tom about his influence.

As for previous comments about Tom not having written material, you can now take that argument off the board. His new CD "24 Hours" (release date 25 November) includes songs he has written and co-written.

Posted by Sophie on Monday, 09.29.08 @ 10:23am


TJonly,
I didn't see your post about the new CD. Sorry, so mine was redundant. That's okay... the more word that gets out about his new CD the better.

I agree with the above posts that Tom's voice is richer now. And he is still great at live shows. He has certainly paid his dues. His contribution to music will only really be understood and appreciated (sadly) after he is gone.

Posted by Sophie on Monday, 09.29.08 @ 10:29am


Liam, Liam, Liam. Where art thou Liam? Couldn't stand being shown up by our Tom, could you? I don't blame you, after all the negative comments you made, I'd be embarrassed too if I were you. LOLPMP

Posted by TJONLY on Sunday, 10.5.08 @ 15:48pm


Predictability bores me, which explains why I don't listen to Tom Jones' music and why I haven't been commenting here often.

I doubt I'll actually listen to the album, since I can't imagine too much interesting material on it, but either way I can still safely say that it won't touch the recent Nick Cave. Anything with Gym Class Heroes on it is bound to be an almighty piece of tat.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 10.6.08 @ 10:10am


I know my comment won't make any difference to what has been said about our Great Tom, but I jus wanted to say that I first heard of Tom JONES when as a young french girl I came to live in the north of england for awhile but in fact stayed 12 yrs, Artists like T.J were unknown then . I fell in love with him right away his voice and his romantic songs "m'avait envoûtée" and also i thought he was gorgeous! I used to sing all his repertoire all day long, and my english boy friend and husband to be was fed up to the back of his teeth!"DELILAH was & is still my favourite .
i have returned to France following my divorce in 1979 and beeing a teacher of English(my favourite language) i teach my students english with T.J 's songs, I know that He won't read that but How could it conveyed to him that the young french girl I was and the 58 yr old I've become is still"amoureuse de lui" However I think that his beard makes him look older,pity. Tom please shave it off and you will remain intact of the look you had in my teens§ If anyone of you out there who read this want to write to me my e-mail is "joelleamilcar@yahoo.fr
I'd be pleased
still "amoureuse de lui"

Posted by joelle on Friday, 10.24.08 @ 08:44am


P.S I don't know if I got it right about this vote as T. J beeing voted as a R'n'R artist? He is not what I'd call a R'n'R artist but a gorgeous man you would like him to "susurer" in your ear nice sweet words while in his arms

Posted by JOELLE on Friday, 10.24.08 @ 09:01am


Tom Jones is nothing short of amazing! I was at his show at the MGM in Las Vegas 11/4/08 and his voice has only improved with age. He ROCKED THE HOUSE!!! His voice still has unbelievable power, depth and reasonance. His showmanship is unrivaled. I know many young people who are influenced by Mr. Jones voice, style and longevity in the music business. This page contains many names of which I will not take the space and time to repeat, who consider him one of the great talents of our time. Just read the above post's to verify this. He has heavily influenced rock&roll over the years. Who, of those to whom music is important, hears his voice and does not recognize it. His voice is truly unique. It has been mentioned many times on this page the music artist's past and present, young and old, who have worked with Mr. Jones and considered it an honor. Mr Jones belongs in the RRHF. After 40 plus years in the business he has a place waiting there for him if you will let him in. Please consider him for this honor.

Posted by Lori Ann on Tuesday, 11.11.08 @ 21:20pm


YIKES.....On RS's "Greatest Singer" list Tom Jones wasn't even RANKED!!!!

HIDE THE SILVERWARE!!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 11.15.08 @ 16:30pm


Tom Jones' early work as a rock and roll artist needs to be recognized. He created his own sound and style in the '60's which has been copied by many singers today and influenced them as well. Bono is a great example. Sir Tom continues to sing today 40+ years later and is an icon. I realize he is not regarded as a rock and roll singer today, but he cut his teeth and rock and roll and his early Decca records reveal that fact. He should be considered on these merits and if the Hall of Fame would look at his entire body of work they would see that they have overlooked a very important artist in rock and roll history.

Posted by Abbie on Friday, 01.23.09 @ 10:53am


I have just seen a list of artistes to vote for including Gary Glitter this has surprised me because of his recent prison sentence and the nature of his offence.

Posted by pat Lowndes on Friday, 04.3.09 @ 07:34am


I have just seen a list of artistes to vote for including Gary Glitter this has surprised me because of his recent prison sentence and the nature of his offence.

Posted by pat Lowndes on Friday, 04.3.09 @ 07:34am


Tom Jones is the best singer in the world, you do not need a vote, your voice, and undeniable importance in the weather show is the most versatile singer can adapt to any style, by far the best.

From Santiago de Chile!

Posted by Pipi on Thursday, 06.25.09 @ 23:42pm


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Posted by inprecwibeadcong on Friday, 09.4.09 @ 23:58pm


Did you know Tom Jones shares his birthday with His Royal Purpleness Prince? I don't know if the members of the Art of Noise knew this when they asked Tom to sing "Kiss." Sir Tom Jones was born on June 7, 1940 in Wales. Prince was born 18 years later in Minneapolis, MN.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Sunday, 12.20.09 @ 20:54pm


true class act! maybe to much class ?? Let's hope he gets IN .. Where there is life there is hope...{? I HOPE LOL}The good news is about 86% in his favor ...!!!on this FORUM

Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 12.21.09 @ 14:25pm


record broader records away

Posted by myleenehig on Thursday, 07.29.10 @ 05:27am


digital phytoplankton beginning

Posted by bakerfolse on Thursday, 07.29.10 @ 05:28am


Mr. Jones is not only a singer, but a songwriter as well. Granted, this is a recent vocation for him, but he's cranking out some fine songs at a rather late stage in his life as a performer. His show, This is Tom Jones, was a groundbreaking show at its time and set the tone for future variety shows that featured live performances. He is still an avid performer at 70 years of age - still evolving too. He has never been afraid to change his style with the times and most important of all - still has a tremendous voice and an ability to generate sales. He deserves to be in the rock and roll hall of fame.

Posted by Dee Dee on Sunday, 10.17.10 @ 10:08am


Marcelo is the best...


Posted by masseys insurance waukegan on Saturday, 11.27.10 @ 10:49am


Just wanted to let your community here know that one of Tom Jones' staunchest supportes, Anita McGraw, passed away last night from complications of Liver cancer,a broken hip and pneumonia. This project meant so very much to her; but will have to carry on without her.
SIgned, Her God-Daughter, JAnet E Conroy

Posted by Janet E Conroy on Sunday, 02.27.11 @ 19:45pm


Tom Jones is one of the best singers in the world !! :D !!

Posted by Frederikke Busch on Tuesday, 03.15.11 @ 11:15am


I have a facebook page about it. Inducting Sir Tom Jones...please go to it & like it. The more we get the more it will help. He needs to be recognized!!!!!!

Posted by Lori on Saturday, 12.31.11 @ 17:22pm


are you kidding me? Watch YouTube video of Tom Jones singing with the legendary Janis Joplin! He stood toe to toe with Ms. Joplin. I really hope Bruce Springsteen who has a lot of say so with the rock 'n roll Hall of Fame helps get this legend into the Hall of Fame. No one in in popular music have the power/passion and the dynamic range of Mr. Jones. What are they waiting for, for him to die?

Posted by Davido on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 12:06pm


are you kidding me? Watch YouTube video of Tom Jones singing with the legendary Janis Joplin! He stood toe to toe with Ms. Joplin. I really hope Bruce Springsteen who has a lot of say so with the rock 'n roll Hall of Fame helps get this legend into the Hall of Fame. No one in in popular music have the power/passion and the dynamic range of Mr. Jones. What are they waiting for, for him to die?

Posted by Davido on Tuesday, 03.27.12 @ 12:11pm


los angeles radio stations -100.3fm thesoundla don't think sir.tom jones is rock star they don't include him in the air play rotation ..but they sure play alot of sir.elton john and sir.paul mc cartney 100.3fm//heysound@thesoundla.com 1(3230634-1800 ..we love our sir.tom jones in usa california he is the voice of la & oc ..lets fight for his rights to get air played..eric holmes is music director

Posted by david davenport on Tuesday, 04.10.12 @ 14:26pm


LOS ANGELES RADIO STATIONS--KOST 103.5FM USE TO PLAY TOM JONES WITHOUT LOVE/GREEN GREEN GRASS OF HOME/I'LL NEVER FALL IN LOVE AGAIN/ MUSIC&PROGHRAM DIRECTORS DON'T THINK SIR.TOM JONES IS SUITABLE FOR AIR PLAY THEY FIGHT WITH ME&DISAGREE WITH ME SIR.TOM JONES IS A ICON LEDGEND..ALSO 94.7FM /K-EARTH 101.1FM/99.9KOLA//LETS GET SIR.TOM JONES BACK ON AIR WAVES IN LOS ANGELES CALIF

Posted by david davenport on Tuesday, 04.10.12 @ 14:43pm


Please don't let this legend pass away before the Hall of Fame decides to do the right thing Mr.Tom Jones is a Legend please appreciate this man ,God Bless him !!

Posted by Paul on Sunday, 05.20.12 @ 10:09am


To me this is sad and wrong Tom Jones a living Legend ,should of been 20 years ago ! Look at poor Donna Summer could not enjoy hers ! This is wrong Tom Jones is one of the best of all time !!!!

Posted by Holmes on Wednesday, 05.22.13 @ 15:38pm


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