The Surfaris

Not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Eligible since: 1987 (The 1988 Induction Ceremony)

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Will The Surfaris be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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Should have been inducted with The Ventures!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 16:46pm


The Surfaris:

Jim Pash
Jim Fuller
Ron Wilson
Pat Connolly
Bob Berryhill

A Glendora, CA, surf group remembered for "Wipe Out," the number two 1963 hit that ranks as one of the great rock instrumentals, featuring a classic up-and-down guitar riff and a classic solo drum roll break, both of which were emulated by millions (the number is no exaggeration) of beginning rock & rollers. They recorded an astonishing number of albums (about half a dozen) and singles in the mid-'60s; the "Wipe Out" follow-up, "Point Panic," was the only one to struggle up to the middle of the charts. The Surfaris were not extraordinary, but they were more talented than the typical one-shot surf group; drummer Ron Wilson was praised by session stickman extraordinaire Hal Blaine, and his uninhibited splashing style sounds like a direct ancestor to Keith Moon. He also took the lead vocals on the group's occasional Beach Boys imitations.

The Billboard 200 Albums Chart

01. 1963 - # 15 Wipe Out
02. 1963 - # 94 The Surfaris Play Wipe Out and Others
03. 1964 - # 120 Hit City 64

The Billboard 100 Singles Chart

01. 1963 # 49 Point Panic
02. 1963 # 62 Surfer Joe
03. 1963 # 2 Wipe Out
04. 1966 # 16 Wipe Out

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 05.25.08 @ 06:45am


You forgot to mention the part where they're totally insignificant, so I decided to do it for you:

Quite literally no one cites the Surfaris and they did nothing in the ways of innovation.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 05.25.08 @ 07:02am


Love the song 'Wipeout', but there's no way they'll ever get in (or should they).

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 07.10.08 @ 12:34pm


The Surfaris were true cutting edge in their day. Early Cream ,Who ,Hendrix .. Lead guitar riffs and oodles of drum fills dominated their songs .. They broke all the rules,,,,"Wipe Out" is the rock drum solo all are
measured by.....! The Ventures are great but the Surfaris are true rock and rollers!! So YES!!!!!!!!
Surfs UP!!!

Posted by Dennis on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 09:54am


I agree "Wipe Out" is a all time classic.. The Surfaris out sold and out played any other real surf band..... What more is there to say,, Surfaris are true rockers !!

Posted by Tom on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 23:17pm


Wipe Out I am a dancer at a club the boys love it..!



Posted by girlrock on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 11:40am


So Girlrock you like doing the Wipe Out?? LOL

Good choice...
The Surfaris wrote the drum solo of rock and gee "Wipe Out" is all surf even in a dance hall ..I think Wipe Out by the Surfaris is on more moive sound tracks than any other song in rock history Surfs UP

Posted by mrxwz on Saturday, 08.9.08 @ 12:15pm


Jim Fuller The "Godftaher of Surf Music" the Lead guitar of the Surfaris Hits: Wipe Out Waikiki Run ,Point Panic and other songs. Were wriiten and played by the Surfaris ,With Ron Wilsons fantastic drum riffs and fills and Jimmy's wild untamed leads broke the rules of rock. They are thought of by many as the early roots of Hendrix ,Who and Van Halen ..


Posted by mrxyz on Thursday, 08.14.08 @ 22:43pm


This guys should be in..!

Posted by tinman on Friday, 08.22.08 @ 01:25am


Why aren't they in..?
They even have a TV show..?
Wipe Out is the drum solo of ROCK!!!

Posted by tomcat on Monday, 09.1.08 @ 23:02pm


The best real surf band/music Early Punk ,Metal and beyond
YES RHOF

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 09.23.08 @ 01:00am


After all my schoolin..I am surprised there are not a 10000 yes,,,
This band Mainly Fuller and Wilson were the first Rock Rule breakers in the early 60's no doubt.. !! True unsung Heroes .. From Hendrix to Nirvana.They are the ROCK at ground 0.. It is easy to see "ALL YOU NEED IS EARS" and a time frame ..

YES YES YES

Posted by mrxyz on Sunday, 09.28.08 @ 19:23pm


Telarock wrote:
I will research this question and get back to you later as to what actually constitutes "surf music." This much I will tell you all right now however, Dick Dale IS rightfully the king of it. He WAS first and (my opinion) nobody tops his guitar artistry.

Q: Beach Boys, Jan & Dean, et al - were they "surf music"?

YES the Beach Boys are Surf Music,.. Who says what Surf music is Dick Dale???? LOL

Posted by mrxyz on Sunday, 10.26.08 @ 23:54pm


mrxyz...I hear that some people think the drum line in "Wipe Out" is a rip-off of Buddy Holly's "Peggy Sue"...interesting. I know "Sheila" by Tommy Roe is, but I'd have to listen a little more closely...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 11.18.08 @ 15:48pm


Gitarzan
Seems many want to go back to Wipe Out"
Here is where it need to be bashed or honor kinda like Julius Caesar and Marcus Brutus {Et tu, Brute? }lol

Speaking of "Wipe Out" I belive it was a drum Cadence spead up and changed a little.
I know Ron Wilson was in a drumline in High School
The guitar riff is Jimmy or I heard he took it from the Carpenters lol{just kiddig}...
The true 1 # drum solo CLASSIC of ROCK,,
Much of Their other stuff was light year a head...
KEEP HARD ROCKIN!!!

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 11.18.08 @ 23:36pm


Duh as in YES the rock drum solo of rock {WIPE OUT} Rock rule breakers , Rock writers.. Early Hendrix, Cream songs such as "Point Panic" "Scatter Shield" "Mystic Drums" .. etc... with no vocals YES!!!! Oh yeah and that true classic Surfer Joe.. LOL Leaders not followers.. Is there room for original in RHOF ? LOL

YES YES YES YES and YES

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 12.6.08 @ 22:33pm


Merry Christmas 2 ALL "Surfer's Christmas List" A ALL TIME SURF CLASSIC.. GEE A SURF SONG WITH WORDS .... WHO WOULD EVER GUESS!



Mele Kalikimaka

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 12.24.08 @ 20:40pm


mrxyz...A "Cool Yule" to ya, my friend...be safe!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 12.24.08 @ 22:30pm


I love "Surfer's Christmas List," but it's too obscure to be considered a Christmas classic. Surf music classic possibly, though. Good call on that one mrxyz. Beats the crap out of Lord Douglas Byron's "Surfin' Santa." Merry Christmas to all, and to all.. a-Wipe out! Gag.

I tried to post yesterday, but the bandwidth overloaded on this site. Merry belated Christmas to everyone.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 12.26.08 @ 23:49pm


Right back at ya, Philip!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 12.27.08 @ 08:40am


Speaking of the first surf songs besides Mr Motto by thew Belairs a few months before Dick Dales lets Go Trippin {3 YEARS BEFORE} Dick was........

The Fire Balls "Torquay" I FOUND THIS ON THE WEB... MANY FEEL TORQUAY IS THE FIRDT SURF SONG THAT SURF SOUND CAN BE FOUND WRAY , EDDIE, BELAIRS, SANDY NELSON ETC MONTHS IF NOT YEARS BEFORE DICK,,, "band first known as the Fireballs. Jimmy Gilmer joined as lead singer in 1961 and the band recorded as Jimmy Gilmer and the Fireballs. Best known songs include the instrumental hit "Torquay" (1959), "Sugar Shack" (1963),"
and "Bottle Of Wine" (1968). "
SAID BEFORE DICK IS A GREAT GUITAR PLAYER BUT HE IS A BETTER TUT YOUR OWN HORN..
SURFS uP!!!!

Posted by mrxyz on Sunday, 02.8.09 @ 20:14pm


I found this on the Surfaris Jim Fuller
jimfullerandthebeatnik.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=975iW3u9GqE

Besides surf it seems he does... well you look and see Quite a group of musicians...Like to see the King try this LOL

Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 04.20.09 @ 11:22am


I was talking to one of my very close friends the other day He was a good pal of Keith Moon ..the drummer of the Who.. He said Keith had told him ..that The Who's song the "Ox" was based on "Wipe Out".... As I have mention 2 many times be 4... Yes RHOF the Surfaris....

Surfs UP RU???

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 04.22.09 @ 16:22pm


RIP GEORGE FULLERTON the MAN that CAME UP WITH THE STRATOCASTER ..From Surf ,blues to country
From Buddy Hollie, Jim Fuller, Hendrix and on and on




G&L is a guitar design and production company founded by Leo Fender, George Fullerton, and Dale Hyatt in the late 1970s. Fender sold his company named Fender in 1965. He designed and produced instruments for Music Man in the 1970s through his company CLF Research. When relations with Music Man soured, G&L was created to continue operations outside of Music Man. The G&L name comes from the initials of George (Fullerton) and Leo (Fender).

G&L instruments are similar to the classic Fenders, but with some modern innovations. They are built at the same facility on Fender Avenue in Fullerton, California that produced the early Music Man instruments. G&L instruments are not widely distributed but are highly regarded by many musicians and collectors. The relatively small scale of production further allows for more custom options than are possible on larger production lines.

After the death of Leo Fender in 1991, Fender's wife, Phyllis Fender, passed the management of


G&L to John C. McLaren of BBE Sound. George Fullerton remained a permanent consultant until his death on July 4 2009,[1] and Leo's wife Phyllis remains as Honorary Chairman of G&L.

In a print advertisement for G&L, Leo Fender claimed the G&L line of instruments were "the best instruments I have ever made".

Posted by mrxyz on Thursday, 07.16.09 @ 10:31am


OBTWAVE Philp

corection
Wipe Out came out in 1962 not 1963

surfs UP!!

Posted by mryxz on Saturday, 08.15.09 @ 23:34pm


Where're you getting your information? All sources I'm finding have it coming out in 1963, including it's entire life span on the Billboard charts.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 08.15.09 @ 23:35pm


The lowdown on "Wipeout"...

"The afterthought track spent four months on the national Billboard chart in the autumn of 1963, reaching #2 and kept out of the top slot only by Stevie Wonder's Fingertips. The smash hit returned to the Hot 100 in 1966, reaching #16 in its second national chart run. Meanwhile, original A-side "Surfer Joe" only attracted airplay in the wake of Wipe Out's success, and peaked at #62 during its six-week run."


I dug around Billboard, and that confirmed it...it was late '63, not '62.

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.16.09 @ 07:22am


I dug around Billboard, and that confirmed it...it was late '63, not '62.

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.16.09 @ 07:22am

I did some research also
It was recorded in 1962 and was released on the Princess label in 1962 then in 1963 Dot pick it up,,,

Posted by mrxyz on Sunday, 08.16.09 @ 09:16am


I think even you'd agree (or not) that a song doesn't become "significant" until people actually HEAR it...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.16.09 @ 09:30am


think even you'd agree (or not) that a song doesn't become "significant" until people actually HEAR it...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 08.16.09 @ 09:30am


Yes I agree! It was very popular in 1962 in Southern Calf.. Kinda like Dick Dales tunes "Lets go Trippin" was and "Misirlou ,,That is why Dot pick it up and the rest is rock history...
Unlike Dales tunes Wipe Out became a Global Hit..

In my research it says Jim Fuller lead guitar was considered Avaunt grade in his day and that the Van Halens wanted to be as good as the Surfaris

Posted by mrxyz on Sunday, 08.16.09 @ 10:06am


I am sure some of you saw "America got Talent ".. once again The Godfather of Surf Guitar {Jim Fuller} shines with the Wipeout.. I would not be surprised if the drum band wins !!! just becauce of it and their great druming ,,,The judges went wild over it.. Can ya blame them??? {THE DRUM SOLO OF ROCK} Time will tell as alwaves ,,if they WIN We should all be proud of this true ICON ROCK BAND
Surfs UP!!!{SMILE}

Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 09.14.09 @ 23:25pm


I found This on the Godfather He can do it all from soul to surf....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awzbdpF9mWE

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 09.16.09 @ 09:53am


I found This on the Godfather He can do it all from soul to surf....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awzbdpF9mWE



Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 09.16.09 @ 09:53am


Check it out !!! it is really good . He plays it all .. Let me know what everyone thinks!

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 10.13.09 @ 11:13am


mrxyz...we all understand your "man-crush" with Jim Fuller, whose an okay player. Here's an example of "doing it all"...in one shot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onqzua4bRHY&feature=related

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 10.13.09 @ 17:19pm


mrxyz...we all understand your "man-crush" with Jim Fuller, whose an okay player. Here's an example of "doing it all"...in one shot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onqzua4bRHY&feature=related

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 10.13.09 @ 17:19pm

I have all waves said SRV is a better player than DD even on surf .. I was saying JF is "better" than DD . JF out sold played DD ..NOT MANY CAN PLAY SURF ,BLUES ,ROCK AND SOUL AND DO IT "RIGHT" JF CAN AND SRV CAN BUT I DONT' THINK DD CAN from what I have heard and seen.. Just a opinion but
SURFS UP

Posted by mryz on Tuesday, 10.13.09 @ 19:57pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awzbdpF9mWE
btwave after hearing JF on youtube I would say he is right up there with SRV in playing it "right"..it is really quit eclectic. I don't think I have ever seen anyone do that and be real 100% other than Fuller..Soul an Surf in the same beat is quit a feat . Differant styles but up there.. not saying he is SRV but
all ya need is ears

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 10.13.09 @ 20:06pm


JF IS a good player...you'll never hear me say otherwise...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 10.13.09 @ 21:00pm


F IS a good player...you'll never hear me say otherwise...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 10.13.09 @ 21:00pm

My points are
#1 I heard "Surf bands" in 1959 #2 Beach Boys , Surfaris, Jan and Dean ,Chanteys ,Ventures and many others had the national Global Surf hits...{top 10 }
#3 Surfaris were the First Surf band to have all fenders on their front LP cover..
The Surfaris are on more movie sound tracks ,more copulations , Adds then any "SURF BAND" etc

As you can tell in Fullers other band not counting the Seeds. He can play it all from: Blues, rock ,Soul, folk, soul and surf..and play it RIGHT .. Very few can say that..
I noticed only one person made a commit on Fullers you tube . Sometimes the truth is more real than the Hollywood hype.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awzbdpF9mWE
All you need is EARS
That is why I think the Surfaris should be in If not them then Fuller...
I say Fuller and the Surfaris were the biggest instrumental Surf band ..I do not think of the Ventures as a surf band...

I assume if you say nothing you must agree..{SMILE}

Posted by mrxyz on Sunday, 10.18.09 @ 18:53pm


Agree? No. In my case, if I say nothing, it's probably because I think you're too insane to be worth responding to.

Just correcting the logical fallacy in your assumption.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.18.09 @ 23:00pm


gree? No. In my case, if I say nothing, it's probably because I think you're too insane to be worth responding to.

Just correcting the logical fallacy in your assumption.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.18.09 @ 23:00pm


Well it takes one to know one I must say I don't know you... LOl
Facts are facts
Surfaris are on over 10 movie tracks
oodles of best of CD's/records
Wipe Out is the right of passage {so to speak} for all real rock drummers.. Drum solo of rock as "Topsy" is to swing
The biggest Surf instrumental in the 60's
Fuller is known by "Surfers" and Fans and James Brown as the Godfather of Surf Music.. {Not capital records or a PR firm]
Surfer Joe is coined 1000000x's of times
A TV show named after their song "Wipe Out"
If you went to youtube {I doubt you did} you heard Fuller do Blues RB, Surf ,Rock and it is as good as the best..
Went from Surf in the early to the 60's Psychedelic band the Seeds...
First Surf band maybe even Rock band to have All Fender on front cover of there LP..
Played at the Grammies.
really the list is endless {Almost}

Insanity is not accepting reality/Facts /not "HYPE" ...
I truly believe you are very knowledgeable but that you may believe the Rolling Stone, Teen Magazines and the National Inquire.. but I could be wrong.....
All you need is Ears and just the Facts not Hype LOL...but if it were not for folks reading HYPE magazines they would be out of BIZ...Gosh you know more about Madonna than I would even want to forget ..





Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 10.19.09 @ 00:35am


Let's take a look at your facts, mrxyz...

-Surfaris are on over 10 movie tracks

But this is meaningless.

-oodles of best of CD's/records

So do a lot of other artists, including many not in the Hall.

-Wipe Out is the right of passage {so to speak} for all real rock drummers.. Drum solo of rock as "Topsy" is to swing

This one I'll give you. This one could actually be construed as signinficant.

-The biggest Surf instrumental in the 60's

As measured how? "Walk Don't Run" was also a #2 hit, and it WAS a surf record, even if it was a cover of a song from another style... the Ventures' version IS surf-rock; and "Telstar" was a certified #1 hit, and the Tornados were a surf band. "Telstar" isn't the most surf-ish record, but it's a decent example. And even then, not even close to being the biggest instrumental hit of the 60's.

-Fuller is known by "Surfers" and Fans and James Brown as the Godfather of Surf Music.. {Not capital records or a PR firm]

Fans? Big whoop. Fans also want Steve Perry in the Hall because his voice makes their hearts melt. Surfers? Meh. They're athletes, not musicians. James Brown? I'd consider his opinion of R&B and funk musicians to be credible. Surf... not so much.

-Surfer Joe is coined 1000000x's of times

1. Do you have proof that the Surfaris actually invented the term "Surfer Joe" or was it an expression that was already there that the Surfaris capitalized on?

2. "Joe" is like "John" in its usage to an anonymous person. Joe Palooka, G.I. Joe (used to refer to soldiers before the toy came out), etc.

-A TV show named after their song "Wipe Out"

Also meaningless, and I love the show "Wipeout!" But it isn't germane to a musical argument.

-First Surf band maybe even Rock band to have All Fender on front cover of there LP..

especially meaningless

-Played at the Grammies.

So have a lot of other artists, many of whom will never make the Hall. They gave the Best New Artist Grammy to acts like Sisqo and Milli Vanilli. Neither of whom are likely to make the Hall at this point. The Grammies are a lousy measuring stick.

-If you went to youtube {I doubt you did} you heard Fuller do Blues RB, Surf ,Rock and it is as good as the best..

The link didn't work for me. But skill is not sufficient. Did Fuller have a substantial solo career?

-Went from Surf in the early to the 60's Psychedelic band the Seeds...

Not sure what your point is here. Paul Rodgers went from Free to Bad Company. Paul Rodgers hasn't gotten his due either. Joey Levine fronted the Ohio Express, Kasenatz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus and Reunion. Tony Burrows was the man behind Edison Lighthouse, the Pipkins, White Planes, First Class, and the Brotherhood of Man. Ron Dante was the voice you heard on records by the Archies, Cuff Links, and Detergents. Don't look for any of those three to ever be inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

And so of all your facts, only one of them has any solidity: the importance of "Wipe Out", which none of us have EVER denied. But is that song pivotal enough to warrant the Surfaris' induction? No. If not for the drum solo, it'd just be another surf record like "Pipeline" or "Penetration"... great songs, but not considered monumental in their importance.

And despite your adamant defense of their other songs, "Wipe Out" is really the only one that matters when it comes to discussing the Surfaris. That's just another fact. It's their sole legacy.

-I truly believe you are very knowledgeable but that you may believe the Rolling Stone, Teen Magazines and the National Inquire.. but I could be wrong.....

Rolling Stone almost never mentions acts more than 5 years old, unless they're doing another list that everyone loves to hate. The others, no I never read.

In return, I believe you are also knowledgeable. However, I think you are blinded by your friendships/associations/experiences with past musicians to the point where your objectivity is long lost. Talking to you, I get the idea that you think rock is a subgenre of surf, not the other way around. Your associations with the players of that scene is the HYPE that you subscribe to. What your EARS take in is filtered by your past familiarities. Your respect of those people blinds you to the bigger picture, and your obsession over those experiences to the point where they intrude into your arguments is similar to that of Lax's obsession with all things Genesis... which is why call it insanity. Maybe not certifiable, but cause for concern, and cause for taking what you say with a chunk of salt.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10.19.09 @ 01:22am


Let's take a look at your facts, mrxyz...

-Surfaris are on over 10 movie tracks

But this is meaningless.

-oodles of best of CD's/records

So do a lot of other artists, including many not in the Hall.

-Wipe Out is the right of passage {so to speak} for all real rock drummers.. Drum solo of rock as "Topsy" is to swing

This one I'll give you. This one could actually be construed as signinficant.

-The biggest Surf instrumental in the 60's

As measured how? "Walk Don't Run" was also a #2 hit, and it WAS a surf record, even if it was a cover of a song from another style... the Ventures' version IS surf-rock; and "Telstar" was a certified #1 hit, and the Tornados were a surf band. "Telstar" isn't the most surf-ish record, but it's a decent example. And even then, not even close to being the biggest instrumental hit of the 60's.

-Fuller is known by "Surfers" and Fans and James Brown as the Godfather of Surf Music.. {Not capital records or a PR firm]

Fans? Big whoop. Fans also want Steve Perry in the Hall because his voice makes their hearts melt. Surfers? Meh. They're athletes, not musicians. James Brown? I'd consider his opinion of R&B and funk musicians to be credible. Surf... not so much.

-Surfer Joe is coined 1000000x's of times

1. Do you have proof that the Surfaris actually invented the term "Surfer Joe" or was it an expression that was already there that the Surfaris capitalized on?

2. "Joe" is like "John" in its usage to an anonymous person. Joe Palooka, G.I. Joe (used to refer to soldiers before the toy came out), etc.

-A TV show named after their song "Wipe Out"

Also meaningless, and I love the show "Wipeout!" But it isn't germane to a musical argument.

-First Surf band maybe even Rock band to have All Fender on front cover of there LP..

especially meaningless

-Played at the Grammies.

So have a lot of other artists, many of whom will never make the Hall. They gave the Best New Artist Grammy to acts like Sisqo and Milli Vanilli. Neither of whom are likely to make the Hall at this point. The Grammies are a lousy measuring stick.

-If you went to youtube {I doubt you did} you heard Fuller do Blues RB, Surf ,Rock and it is as good as the best..

The link didn't work for me. But skill is not sufficient. Did Fuller have a substantial solo career?

-Went from Surf in the early to the 60's Psychedelic band the Seeds...

Not sure what your point is here. Paul Rodgers went from Free to Bad Company. Paul Rodgers hasn't gotten his due either. Joey Levine fronted the Ohio Express, Kasenatz-Katz Singing Orchestral Circus and Reunion. Tony Burrows was the man behind Edison Lighthouse, the Pipkins, White Planes, First Class, and the Brotherhood of Man. Ron Dante was the voice you heard on records by the Archies, Cuff Links, and Detergents. Don't look for any of those three to ever be inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

And so of all your facts, only one of them has any solidity: the importance of "Wipe Out", which none of us have EVER denied. But is that song pivotal enough to warrant the Surfaris' induction? No. If not for the drum solo, it'd just be another surf record like "Pipeline" or "Penetration"... great songs, but not considered monumental in their importance.

And despite your adamant defense of their other songs, "Wipe Out" is really the only one that matters when it comes to discussing the Surfaris. That's just another fact. It's their sole legacy.

-I truly believe you are very knowledgeable but that you may believe the Rolling Stone, Teen Magazines and the National Inquire.. but I could be wrong.....

Rolling Stone almost never mentions acts more than 5 years old, unless they're doing another list that everyone loves to hate. The others, no I never read.

In return, I believe you are also knowledgeable. However, I think you are blinded by your friendships/associations/experiences with past musicians to the point where your objectivity is long lost. Talking to you, I get the idea that you think rock is a subgenre of surf, not the other way around. Your associations with the players of that scene is the HYPE that you subscribe to. What your EARS take in is filtered by your past familiarities. Your respect of those people blinds you to the bigger picture, and your obsession over those experiences to the point where they intrude into your arguments is similar to that of Lax's obsession with all things Genesis... which is why call it insanity. Maybe not certifiable, but cause for concern, and cause for taking what you say with a chunk of salt.

Posted by Philip on Monday, 10.19.09 @ 01:22am


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ARE you are in total denial ..???
Yes you are correct on much that you have to say other bands have done some or much of what the Surfaris did and are doing...And many are in the RRHOF

You may think only "Wipe Out" is the only legacy but others disagree {A Mute point} Just the TV show named after "Wipe Out" says alot.45 plus years later and the rock drum solo all are mesured by. is more than enought to put them in.. The differance between the Ventures and the Surfaris is they wrote "Wipe Out" and the Ventures did not write Walk Don't Run ,Hawaii Five 0 or Wipe Out..Plus Wipe Out chartted 2x's 1963 and 65
All of the above reasons and others .. As far as "Surfer Joe" goes it was the Surfaris that coined that term ..
I also did not mention all the radio and TV adds Wipe Out is on... LOTS and MORE LOTS
If Perry is so Hot why is he not still in Journey?? LOL They seem to be doing fine with out him ..PS I like his voice but he is no Joan Baez .. !
I may be blind but it is not just about the Surfaris I have mentioned Link Wray ,Sandy Nelson Fireballs ,Lew Chudd and a few others many, many times ! How in my opinion iare more importantant to what direction rock went than Perry or Coven.. PS Genesis is great.. they should be IN before the Ventures .. But the Surfaris had a larger impack on early rock and roll.. Than Genesis Some folks are made for the HYPE not the facts .It a shame how people can get pushed around by HOLLYWOOD HYPERS.. Rock on my friend Rock on..

Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 10.19.09 @ 10:20am


"ARE you are in total denial ..???"

That's funny, because if I claim I'm not, you'll just say I'm so deep in denial, that I deny being in denial.

"Yes you are correct on much that you have to say other bands have done some or much of what the Surfaris did and are doing...And many are in the RRHOF"

And many are not.

"Just the TV show named after "Wipe Out" says alot"

Problem is, that's not a MUSICAL contribution, just as the sign of the horns isn't for Coven.

"45 plus years later and the rock drum solo all are mesured by. is more than enought to put them in"

It's debatable at its worst.

Writing your own songs is not a measuring stick, and Walk Don't Run did chart twice too. in '60 and '64

I really don't think adding "Surfer Joe" to our verbage is a major contribution either. Though an interesting minor one.

The ads are meaningless. A lot of groiups did ads back in the day, and ad companies are routinely going back to the music of the '60s and '70s for music to put in advertisements. It don't add up to a whole hill of beans.

Perry's ego got in the way. Pure and simple. It's leadegosis. Happens to a lot of acts, unfortunately.

Link Wray and Lew Chudd, I don't have a problem with. The Fireballs and Sandy Nelson are just too minor of players, imo.

The Surfaris weren't around for early rock and roll. They didn't appear for almost a full decade after rock'n'roll dawned on the scene.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10.20.09 @ 19:08pm



The Surfaris weren't around for early rock and roll. They didn't appear for almost a full decade after rock'n'roll dawned on the scene.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10.20.09 @ 19:08pm


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LOL your are a funny one I would say 1962 is early 47 years ago.... Anything before the BEATLES IS EARLY...
YES it is not a musical TV show it has gone beyond just being music it is all most a religion... LOLI I just can't think of any TV show other than Wipe Out that a show was named after a song.. There could be 1 be I don't recall what it is...
AS far as Lew chudd I doubt you even knew about him until I said something.. Sandy Nelson was the hottest in his day ask Carmine... LOL
As far as songs in Adds go they use them because it triggers the mind, Wipe Out is a bullet ,gun and trigger One of the most used rock song in the Add world..
Walk don't Run they re did ... It did chart again and The Ventures are in the RRHOF... a big part is becauce of it,

I can tell you are very book smart.. So do yourself a favor and ME {Please} Go to jimfullerandthbeatnik.com ....Read his Bio and web etc..Then go to his long version on youtube Demo link it on his web page... I bet You will really enjoy his show.!!! I have been in the Music Biz for over 45 years in Hollywood. I learn new fun things all the time..!
Let me know what you think ..! I think the Video is about 6-8 mins long After that you may want yo explore Sandy Nelson Youtube Video.. He has a few on youtube..He talks about the old days.. He had the very first "Sterephonic Hi Fidelity" Drum Solo and rock song..{Thanks to Chudd}!!!It was quite the Teco in its day! Just about everyone who was anyone was talken about it... They could not believe their ears!!!!!.... From Carmine, Moon, Wilson and many others all wished they were him... long, long ago....Again enjoy the Show it is only rock and roll...









Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 10.20.09 @ 20:28pm


Well then we disagree on the definition of early rock and roll, but it's unfair to laud the Surfaris over Genesis by that criterion. Why make it Genesis' problem that they weren't a band before the Beatles were? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Sandy Nelson we've gone over. I still say Hal was hotter than Nelson.

Again, ads are meaningless. Doesn't matter how many times it was used. It can just as easily be used AGAINST the Surfaris, calling them sell-outs who let their signature song be used for just about every product you can think of, shy of feminine hygiene that is.

I'll check out Fuller, but keep in mind... sheer talent is not enough. It has to have actually manifested itself in a major way. For Fuller, it only manifested itself in "Wipe Out".

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10.20.09 @ 20:59pm


I'll check out Fuller, but keep in mind... sheer talent is not enough. It has to have actually manifested itself in a major way. For Fuller, it only manifested itself in "Wipe Out".

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10.20.09 @ 20:59pm


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As far as Hal goes he is the greatest. Sandy went solo and lost a leg.. Back in those days a short carear was not un commin.Heck even Dion only lasted a few years.. But did have his come back....Most early Act as good as they were short lived ... From Fats to Lewis... It was short in todays world....
The Surfaris were as many have noted. From Moon to Van Halen were a big inspiration. Heck you can hear the lead guitar and drum fill in their tunes.. {Point Painc good example } Surf Music is/was untamed rock early rock rule breakers.. The Surfaris were big on lead guitar and drum fills ..It open the door... Short lived Yes .. Them Beatles ,Stones and Animals hit town and the rest was history.. What I like about Fuller is he can play Surf R an B Blues and etc it all cutsIt right.. Not many can do that... Any Who.. There are many others un sung Hero's that need their names known. They have been pushed a wave ..by the HOLLYWOOD HYPE.. Many times giving credit to others... Even Hal was little know other than in the inter industry... for many years!! It was a secert all over the music neighbor hood !LOL......Knowbody was talkin Hal in 1962 !!! or 66 67 69 70...80 .. it was Hal who..? LOL




Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 10.20.09 @ 21:22pm


For someone who was known in the "inter-industry" only for so long, Hal was everywhere, playing on so many American rock'n'roll records of the '60s. Not to mention as the main drummer in Phil Spector's productions.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10.20.09 @ 22:00pm


For someone who was known in the "inter-industry" only for so long, Hal was everywhere, playing on so many American rock'n'roll records of the '60s. Not to mention as the main drummer in Phil Spector's productions.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 10.20.09 @ 22:00pm

LOL I know I was there ..But the world musical audiance didn't know back then ..You would be very surprised and mostlikely not know who was really playing what... It is still a big secert on some stuff and most likely always will be.... Heck that game is still going on .. LOL just new players .... Any ways I hope you enjoyed Fullers Beatnik band. I found it quite refreashing seeing the mix of artist from soul, surf R&B to studio players.... When you add up all the Surfaris did with a few songs it really is quite amazing..!
I found a youtube with Carmine talking about Sandy Nelson .... I will see if I can find that link....I like the Hal Blaine links also until then Enjoy the Show {SMILE}

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 10.20.09 @ 22:13pm


I was waitng why NO LOL
on Sandy Nelson etc... So here is queens drummer tribute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4jZLPmW7g


Just copy and past and enjoy.................... He really took the rock world by a big surprise in his day!He was HIT of IT ... Ya dig..?

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 10.23.09 @ 20:53pm


He is a quote from drum GOD Carmine about Sandy Nelson

At 1981 you released a solo album called "Carmine Appice"...

CARMINE: Right, The Rockers. I had been trying to do albums that had drums as the lead instrument, where the drums were loud, the vocals were loud. I had a couple of drum singles there. I wanted to do like Sandy Nelson did, Let There Be Drums, Drum Boogie like Jim Cooper, my idols, you know. But when we released it, we sold OK around the world, did some touring, but I never eally got the hit single, they said the drums were too loud. I said "Excuse me, whose album is it?".



Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 10.23.09 @ 23:07pm


Here is the Police drumer talking about Sandy Nelson.. I could go on an on with How much Sandy Nelson influance on rock drummings future DIRECTION.. that and Wipe Out from the Surfaris was the answer in drumming in the early 60's
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Stewart has his drums very tightly tuned and despairs of the tendency of most rock drummers to tune their toms very low. "You can't hear them, they just don't cut through. So I have mine tuned very tight and without the PA they sound like tin cans. But with the PA you can fake a lot of roll on bass and get a very fast response while they still sound heavy. That's what I like about Tama. They have a heavy sound on very small drums. I use three tom toms on the front and one on the floor. That's plenty. Some guys use eight, but there just isn't any difference. And I'm much too busy for any stuff like rolling round eight tom toms! You can get that effect just the same on four drums. Sandy Nelson used to do that all the time.

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 10.23.09 @ 23:31pm


Why should I lol when there's nothing really funny?

I really don't see the Police comment as being all that indicative. He just mentioned that it was something Sandy Nelson did too. No doting admiration, no mention of idolization... just that Sandy Nelson used to do it.

Carmine's statement is more telling, but honestly, I'm not all that familiar with Carmine's work either, so it doesn't really mean a lot to me.

Sandy Nelson was a novelty act. A drummer whose drumming was the lead instrument in his songs. It was a novelty thing, really. It didn't spawn a whole outbreak of drums-as-lead-instrument types of records.

If anything, he's better suited for induction as a Side-Man, where his innovations shone through more. Performer, no.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 00:02am


Sandy Nelson was a novelty act. A drummer whose drumming was the lead instrument in his songs. It was a novelty thing, really. It didn't spawn a whole outbreak of drums-as-lead-instrument types of records.

If anything, he's better suited for induction as a Side-Man, where his innovations shone through more. Performer, no.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 00:02am
I could really find lots of drummers talking about Sandy just didn't want to Spam

The reason they mention him ,is because Sandy had a very big impac on them..../drumming ...It seems facts mean nothing but HOLLYWOOD HYPE is truth.. to you... You are why there are STARS in show biz.... Sandy and the Surfaris were the early: Cream ,Who, Hendrix ,Van Halen etc.... Should I go find Van Halen ,Baker Moon quotes etc ....Quotes LOL
Really all you need is to look at the time line and EARS.. it says/tells it all...

Posted by mrzyz on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 07:44am


Hear /here is some stuff about Alex in a interview with Drummer world Mag.. .Not that it will mean anything to Philip LOL..
The reason they meantion the Surfaris is becauce it impacted the way they wanted to play .. LOL

From Drummer World Mag..
Alex developed an interest in music as a young boy, and as a grade-schooler in Pasadena, CA, began taking flamenco guitar lessons. At around the same time, Edward had begun playing the drums. But, as fate would have it, Alex lost interest in the guitar and spent more time pounding out the Surfaris' "Wipe Out" on .

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 08:09am


Do was waitng why NO LOL
on Sandy Nelson etc... So here is queens drummer tribute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B4jZLPmW7g


Just copy and past and enjoy.................... He really took the rock world by a big surprise in his day!He was HIT of IT ... Ya dig..?

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 10.23.09 @ 20:53p

don't forget Queens Drummer on Sandy Nelson LOL PS Philip did you enjoy Fullers Beatnik Band .. ? My point is .. well after you listen I think my point will be made clear if you got a ear..

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 08:43am


"The reason they mention him ,is because Sandy had a very big impac on them..../drumming ...It seems facts mean nothing but HOLLYWOOD HYPE is truth.. to you... You are why there are STARS in show biz.... Sandy and the Surfaris were the early: Cream ,Who, Hendrix ,Van Halen etc.... Should I go find Van Halen ,Baker Moon quotes etc ....Quotes LOL
Really all you need is to look at the time line and EARS.. it says/tells it all... "

Yes, how about you actually cite some sources? The ones you list are speculative at best.

But let me also ask you this: for those who cite Sandy Nelson as an influence, do they list his solo records as the turning points for them, or the songs by OTHER artists for which he drummed? See, there's a world of difference between the two. `The problem with inducting Sandy Nelson in the Performer category is because you've got to make the point that it was his solo records that were the pivotal ones, and the best measurement for that are successive (note, I said successive, not successful) drum-as-lead-instrument instrumentals. THAT'S why I'm not keen on the idea of Nelson as a Performer. As a Side-Man, however, I really don't have an issue with inducting him... I just don't simply think he's an imperative induction. I don't think he's quite on the same level as Hal Blaine, DJ Fontana, or Earl Palmer. That's just my opinion.

Your quote from Alex supports the Surfaris, not Sandy Nelson. Though it is interesting.

Again, I don't read Rolling Stone, Spin, Vibe... any of that. I don't subscribe to the HOLLYWOOD HYPE, as you so earnestly accuse of me. I listen to the records, I try to find out who's playing on them, and I listen for traces and influences of others in them. I don't hear drum-leading instrumentals much beyond Sandy Nelson. He's a good drummer, but in the Performer category? He's a bit too novelty for me.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 15:53pm


Again, I don't read Rolling Stone, Spin, Vibe... any of that. I don't subscribe to the HOLLYWOOD HYPE, as you so earnestly accuse of me. I listen to the records, I try to find out who's playing on them, and I listen for traces and influences of others in them. I don't hear drum-leading instrumentals much beyond Sandy Nelson. He's a good drummer, but in the Performer category? He's a bit too novelty for me.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 15:53pm

My freind Philip

The reason I bring up Sandy Nelson. Who I have never met but did see him play live...
Is because he was very influential in early rock.
You have scoffed at his influence as if he were at best a minor player in the scheme of things..

I have pointed out some "BIG" first and highlights in his early carre
From early Spector work
First rock stereo recordings drum solo ,{Beatles were recording in mono in the early career}
First rock drummer with his own recording deal
First big rock drum solo HIT
First Rock Drummer with a "hit" and missing a foot
GEE THAT'S A LOT OF FIRST'S

His so called short career, at the so called "TOP"
Influence many musicians and drummers to come ...It open the door.. seems you are way to young to understand what that means.. But you can listen and look at the time line and see the changes and evolutions good or bad ...

I doubt you had even heard much of Sandy until I mentioned him... Rather than putting him down as a novelty act you could of been excited and pleased to learn something NEW




and I did put Queens drummer on you tube doing "Let there be Drums' ..


I really doubt RRHOF will put him in any category.. I was just talking about how Hype sometimes hides the real rock story..

As far as sources go I site me as the best source ..LOL

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 18:31pm


"First rock stereo recordings drum solo ,{Beatles were recording in mono in the early career}
First rock drummer with his own recording deal
First Rock Drummer with a "hit" and missing a foot"--mrxyz

Those three things I don't consider important.

The first rock hit with a major drum solo, I do consider important, as the drum solo has become something of note to rock'n'roll, though it also was in the big band era, too.

"Influence many musicians and drummers to come ...It open the door.. seems you are way to young to understand what that means.."--mrxyz

Don't talk down to me like that. I've spoken of influence on this site many many times before.

"I doubt you had even heard much of Sandy until I mentioned him... Rather than putting him down as a novelty act you could of been excited and pleased to learn something NEW"

If you'll recall, I mentioned that I own a compilation of his greatest hits on CD. Is it a complete collection of his albums and singles? No, but it's a pretty good retrospective, that covers most of the bases.

"I really doubt RRHOF will put him in any category.. I was just talking about how Hype sometimes hides the real rock story."

I don't think it does nearly as much as you believe it does... First of all, hindsight being 20/20, good historians can reveal a lot of information and separate fact from fiction pretty well. Also, there's a difference between doing something first and being the first one to make it popular, and I think in terms of the RnRHoF, I do suppose I favor the latter a bit more, maybe because I simply think it's somewhat important to have the "Fame" part in "Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame", and also because making it popular is a good deal of what constitutes "influence."

"As far as sources go I site me as the best source ..LOL"

That is another reason why we have a very difficult time taking you seriously.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 19:15pm


I don't think it does nearly as much as you believe it does... First of all, hindsight being 20/20, good historians can reveal a lot of information and separate fact from fiction pretty well. Also, there's a difference between doing something first and being the first one to make it popular, and I think in terms of the RnRHoF, I do suppose I favor the latter a bit more, maybe because I simply think it's somewhat important to have the "Fame" part in "Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame", and also because making it popular is a good deal of what constitutes "influence."

"As far as sources go I site me as the best source ..LOL"

That is another reason why we have a very difficult time taking you seriously.
Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 19:15pm

Gee since you have his CD's then you must like him..!!! PS he was very popular..
and very influential.. in his day...and still is to some newer musicians . He can drum as good as most drummers with 1 foot than they could if they had 3 feet lol

Enjoy the show that is what it is all about "FUN"

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 19:25pm


"Gee since you have his CD's then you must like him..!!! PS he was very popular.."

Yes, I do like his stuff. But liking his stuff doesn't necessarily mean I think he should be inducted into the Hall of Fame... And he was popular, in much the same way that Buchanan And Goodman were popular--people liked what they did, but not many followed in those footsteps. (There were a few other "break-in" record artists, but most were produced by Goodman himself, so it seldom was anything that he wasn't involved in himself)

"He can drum as good as most drummers with 1 foot than they could if they had 3 feet lol"

Agreed, though, mere talent isn't really enough either.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 19:34pm


. And he was popular, in much the same way that Buchanan And Goodman were popular--people liked what they did, but not many followed in those footsteps.

Many followed in Sandy footsteps ..... That is the point you don't get..... He was the envy in his day Just the Stereo was MIND BLOWING not counting his pocket.. really it is truth Sandy wasand is HOT... That is why many "Drummers" talk and refer to him ... from his sound to his solo's, his pocket..etc That is why he CHARTED.. Then they kinda over recorded him.. it kinda killed the deal... HE be da BEAT then..ReallyI am not wanting to go over it.... either you get it or you don't..
You never did say anything about Fullers BeatNik band LOl I guess no new is good news..? LOL
Enjoy!!!

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 21:11pm


"Many followed in Sandy footsteps ..... That is the point you don't get..... "

Really? Because to my knowledge, not too many others tried to make a career out of making instrumental records where the drums were the lead instrument and carried the "melody".

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 21:44pm


Many followed in Sandy footsteps ..... That is the point you don't get..... "

Really? Because to my knowledge, not too many others tried to make a career out of making instrumental records where the drums were the lead instrument and carried the "melody".



Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 21:44pm

You are to Funny Hmmm... Wipe Out...LOL then the Surfaris took it one more step before it got to the Hendrix, Cream, Who, van Halen.. adding vocals and updating it..etc they {Surfaris}made the guitar sing with the drums .{POINT PANIC} A lot of folks tried to get a "drum solo" HIT but they couldn't that is one of the reasons they are so HOT ..It is that good as simple as you may think it BE .... Know one has really out done THEM since then. "Wipe Out" the drum solo of ROCK....... Other than Bongo Rock LOL That I can think of....
That is some of what makes Nelson and the Surfaris so BEAT that has not been a repeat!

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 21:56pm


"You are to Funny Hmmm... Wipe Out...LOL then the Surfaris took it one more step before it got to the Hendrix, Cream, Who, van Halen.. adding vocals and updating it.."

Wipe Out had a guitar melody line. You could feasibly say the drum solo was the chorus.

"A lot of folks tried to get a "drum solo" HIT but they couldn't that is one of the reasons they are so HOT ..It is that good as simple as you may think it BE .... Know one has really out done THEM since then. "Wipe Out" the drum solo of ROCK....... Other than Bongo Rock LOL That I can think of.... "

And now you're not speaking English... this just isn't coherent. Please fix your grammar so I know what you're trying to say.

"That is some of what makes Nelson and the Surfaris so BEAT that has not been a repeat!"

Sorry, I don't buy it. As John Lennon said, "There's nothing you can do that can't be done." If someone did it, someone else, with enough practice and attention to it should be able to duplicate it reasonably.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel that if you really are that influential, there'd be at least one copycat act able to make a reasonable go of it. And no, doing their songs as part of your concert set list doesn't count. You make very good arguments for the Surfaris and Sandy Nelson. The fact that it's Wipe Out getting covered in concert and not their other songs tells me the entire legacy of the Surfaris is Wipe Out. Take that one song away, and no one knows or cares who they are or were.

As for Sandy, seriously, one successful copycat act might be enough to swing my vote. Right now, I'm on the fence. I'd say put him in as a Side-Man right now. However, I will NEVER be in the "OMG! IMPERATIVE! IMPERATIVE! INDUCT HIM NOW OR THE HALL OF FAME HAS NO CREDIBILITY!" camp that I get the feeling that you're in. The best you'll get from me is "wouldn't push for them, wouldn't object to them." And no, Preston Epps doesn't count because Bongo Rock was released about the same time as Teen Beat.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 22:35pm


orry, I don't buy it. As John Lennon said, "There's nothing you can do that can't be done." If someone did it, someone else, with enough practice and attention to it should be able to duplicate it reasonably.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel that if you really are that influential, there'd be at least one copycat act able to make a reasonable go of it. And no, doing their songs as part of your concert set list doesn't count. You make very good arguments for the Surfaris and Sandy Nelson. The fact that it's Wipe Out getting covered in concert and not their other songs tells me the entire legacy of the Surfaris is Wipe Out. Take that one song away, and no one knows or cares who they are or were.


As Lennon said There is nothing that can't be done but it has not be done yet and when it is done it won't change what was done.. If you read my Surfaris comments over 1,000,000,000 . you will find that those few HITs It is not quantity it is quality.. Heck Percy Slegde had just a hand full and not with the impact of the Surfaris.. The list is quit long from TV SHOW , MOVIES ,HITS COMMERCIALS , MUSIC DIRECTION,DRUM SOLO ,SURFERS ANTHEM,COINED FRAZE..... OM and on...not band for 15-16 year olds in 1962!

Enjoy the Show and I am don't just talking the TV show Wipe Out..BUT YOU ARE RIGHT THEY DID NOTHING
Until Then Surfs UP!!!

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 22:53pm


I agree it's quality not quantity, but you're asking me to put "Wipe Out" on the same tier as songs like "Blue Suede Shoes", "Why Do Fools Fall In Love", "Rock Around The Clock", "Be Bop A Lula", etc. I just can't rationalize that. I'm not even sure it's on the same level as "Louie Louie" or even "When A Man Loves A Woman". Heck, you can actually make a good argument for Percy Sledge: he introduced a new breed of soul that paved the way for acts like the Chi-Lites, Delfonics, Five Stairsteps, Stylistics, etc.

But as for the other things in our culture... a TV show... big whoop. It's just the right title.

Movie soundtracks: the idea is to use songs that provides the proper ambience. And sometimes it's in just because a director wants to use it.

Commercials... mean nothing. It's about pushing a product.

And more to the point, none of those things are actually about music influencing music, which is why none of those three things should even be taken into consideration. Same with coined phrase. It's not really music influencing music. Or even changing the music business.


Drum solo, yes... music direction? Maybe. There were a lot of surf acts coming out at that time, thanks in large part to the Ventures and Dick Dale (sorry, that's just a fact), but of those that did, it was the Beach Boys and Jan And Dean that had the staying power (seriously, where's the love/energy for Jan And Dean?).

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 23:50pm



Movie soundtracks: the idea is to use songs that provides the proper ambience. And sometimes it's in just because a director wants to use it.

Commercials... mean nothing. It's about pushing a product.

And more to the point, none of those things are actually about music influencing music, which is why none of those three things should even be taken into consideration. Same with coined phrase. It's not really music influencing music. Or even changing the music business.


Drum solo, yes... music direction? Maybe. There were a lot of surf acts coming out at that time, thanks in large part to the Ventures and Dick Dale (sorry, that's just a fact), but of those that did, it was the Beach Boys and Jan And Dean that had the staying power (seriously, where's the love/energy for Jan And Dean?).

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 10.24.09 @ 23:50pm
pART OF WHAT YOU SAY IS CORRECT

They try to put good songs in Movies and commericial Good songs sales
Jan And Dean are great but lasted about as long as ythe Surfaris.. When the British came it all changed

Yes wipe out is as big as", "Why Do Fools Fall In Love", "Rock Around The Clock", "Be Bop A Lula",
Since you seem to need a nother persons opinion Guitar World Mag say Wipe Out is one of the top Ten rock songs.. Almost every one agrees it is the drum solo of rock

Louie Louie /Kingsmen should be in.. the Hall of fame.. It is a "very special" song Also those cats can play get their older recordings I just love the stuff ..real Seatle FEEL.. they rock...{
Louie has been in countless motion pictures including, Animal House, Mr. Holland's Opus Quadrophenia, Coupe de Ville, Spaced Invaders, Naked Gun, Past Away, Dave, Jennifer 8, and Down Periscope.

Named by Rolling Stone Magazine as one of the 50 most important recordings in the 20th Century.}







Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 10.27.09 @ 20:58pm


I have been reading all of this on the forum. I went and check out what has been said.. I agree the Surfaris should be in. They really did change rock and roll. You can hear their infulence in so may others music.. I never new much about them until now... They should be in but not before the Guitar GOD SRV..

Posted by rockinsue on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 09:51am


Then we are at an impasse. Agreeing to disagree at best.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 15:06pm


Philip...they weren't influential or innovative by any stretch...period. I know musicians who can't name one member (if you bring up the drums, they usually roll their eyes and say..."UGH!!!) As for the Kingsmen..."Louie Louie' is the same three chords...over, and over, and over...!!!! No innovation there, the blues have been accused of that for years before that song came out. It's just a catchy tune that (for some reason) won't go away.

As for "Wipeout"...give me "Baja", "Pipeline", and "Walk, Don't Run" over that any day...!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 17:46pm


Why don't we just induct the Knack while we're at it? After all, "My Sharona" was a catch little tune, too... stayed at number 1 for a few weeks, if I recollect...!!!

If "Wipeout" and "Louie, Louie" are enough to get an artist inducted, surely "My Sharona" can...!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 18:01pm


Philip...they weren't influential or innovative by any stretch...period. I know musicians who can't name one member (if you bring up the drums, they usually roll their eyes and say..."UGH!!!) As for the Kingsmen..."Louie Louie' is the same three chords...over, and over, and over...!!!! No innovation there, the blues have been accused of that for years before that song came out. It's just a catchy tune that (for some reason) won't go away.

As for "Wipeout"...give me "Baja", "Pipeline", and "Walk, Don't Run" over that any day...!!!!

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 17:46pm


LOL Funny how some of the "REAL" musicians seem to disagree with you. From Van Halen to the Who..
I like those above songs but.. I have not seen a TV show or in many movies, Ads... etc using those songs ..
After hearing this from some of you guys All I can say is ... Facts mean little to you and I would have your ears checked... LOL...I know lots of musicians and most of them see the humor in what you have said...I am not putting down those songs I think they are great.. Just becauce you don't know their names does not change anything.. They did it with out much HOLLYWOOD HYPE...
Heck I don't know who is/was in the Kingsnen and only a few names of the Ventures ,, I am not even sure who ALL are in The Velvet Underground ,U2,Santana ,The Drifters Sex Pistols ,Steely Dan,War Animals ,Earth, Wind & Fire ,The Police, Parliament/Funkadelic, The Byrds ,The Temptations, The Four Tops , Chanteys,Crickets, Wings,Belmonts The Shirelles, Beastie Boys. Creedence Clearwater Revival,Sly and the Family,Talking Heads............................................... etc



Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 21:39pm


Gee..."The Happy Organ" by Dave "Baby" Cortez was the lead-in song to the movie "Tommy Boy". I guess we can make room in the hall for him too. What musicians that I know would think is REALLY funny would be if I showed them a list of artists YOU think should be inducted. They would say (as I do)...

"You can't induct everyone"

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 21:55pm


Gee..."The Happy Organ" by Dave "Baby" Cortez was the lead-in song to the movie "Tommy Boy". I guess we can make room in the hall for him too. What musicians that I know would think is REALLY funny would be if I showed them a list of artists YOU think should be inducted. They would say (as I do)...

"You can't induct everyone"

Posted by Gitarzan on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @

21:55pm

I agree on ya can't induck every one..


but these are just a few of the movies the Surfaris Music are in .. Not counting God knows how many Surf Films and Ads plus Surf Anthum Drum solo of rock, TV show ,etc ... ... ...h Dirty Dancing, Meet the Parents, Surf's Up, George of The Jungle, Bad News Bears, Herbie Fully Loaded, Wayne’s World II, Lively Set staring James Darren, "Why do fools fall in Love?" and many others.
That is guite a list also The Ventures rode on wipe outs wave .. LOL

Any who enough with this .Enjoy the Show
Surfs UP!!

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 22:05pm


Hety did you guys know that the Surfaris are on the Hollywood’s Rock Walk ..on Sunset Blv..

here is the list gee it is the whos Who of Rock right there in Hollywood..Now that says volumes...


AC/DC September 15, 2000
Ace Frehley July 25, 1996
Aerosmith March 6, 1990
Alex Van Halen June 18, 1991
Alice Cooper August 27, 1991
Ann Wilson November 14, 1986
Armand Zildjian April 1, 1987
B'z November 19, 2007
B.B. King August 29, 1989
Bill Graham February 23, 1996
Bill Haley & The Comets July 6, 2005
Bill Ludwig, Jr. December 31, 1986
Billy Sheehan January 27, 1999
Black Sabbath November 18, 1992
Blondie May 22, 2006
Bo Diddley April 27, 1989
Bob Seger October 18, 1994
Bonnie Raitt September 20, 1996
Bootsy Collins January 27, 1999
Brian Wilson November 28, 1996
Buddy Guy September 20, 1996
Buddy Holly February 21, 1989
Buddy Rich June 18, 1991
C.F. Martin, III November 13, 1985
C.W. Kaman, II January 16, 1992
Carl Perkins June 11, 1996
Carlos Santana February 23, 1996
Carmine Appice June 18, 1991
Carole King June 14, 1989
Cheap Trick October 2, 1998
Chet Atkins September 26, 1997
Chuck Berry December 31, 1986
Cream August 9, 2004
Curtis Mayfield May 20, 2008
Def Leppard September 5, 2000
Dick Clark March 28, 1991
Dick Dale September 20, 1996
Dimebag Darrell May 17, 2007
Duane Eddy September 26, 1997
Earth, Wind & Fire July 7, 2003
Edward Van Halen November 13, 1985
Elvis Presley September 21, 1990
Emerson, Lake & Palmer November 23, 1993
Eric Carr July 25, 1996
Eric Clapton August 9, 2004
Ernie Ball January 16, 1992
Frank Zappa November 9, 1993
Gary Brooker May 1, 1997
Gene Krupa June 18, 1991
George Clinton & P-Funk November 21, 1996
George Martin November 2, 1994
George Thorogood & The Destroyers June 16, 2007
Ginger Baker June 18, 1991
Grace Slick October 24, 2002
Gregg Allman September 20, 1987
Hall & Oates August 5, 2003
Hank Garland September 26, 1997
Harold Rhodes January 14, 1988
Hartley Peavey January 20, 1990
Henry Steinway January 17, 1990
Herbie Hancock January 15, 2003
Holland Dozier Holland May 12, 2003
Hubert Sumlin June 16, 2007
Ike Turner April 4, 2005
Ikutaro Kakehashi February 7, 2000
Iron Maiden August 19, 2005
Isaac Hayes November 4, 2004
Jack Bruce May 1, 1997
Jackie Wilson November 13, 2002
Jaco Pastorius January 27, 1999
James Brown June 5, 1992
James Burton September 26, 1997
James Jamerson January 27, 1999
Jan & Dean April 12, 1996
Janis Joplin January 19, 1999
Jeff Beck September 23, 1995
Jerry Lee Lewis January 14, 1988
Jethro Tull January 14, 1988
Jim Marshall November 13, 1985
Jimi Hendrix February 21, 1989
Jimmie Vaughan June 3, 1999
Jimmy Page December 7, 1993
Joe Cocker April 1, 1998
Joe Satriani June 3, 1999
Joe Zawinul January 15, 2003
John Bonham June 18, 1991
John Lee Hooker February 21, 1989
John Lennon October 9, 1998
John Mayall September 6, 1998
Johnny Cash September 21, 1990
Johnny Winter May 8, 1998
Kansas July 28, 1996
Keb' Mo' June 16, 2007
Keith Moon June 18, 1991
Kenny Loggins March 7, 2007
Kim Simmonds September 6, 1996
KISS May 18, 1993
Kris Kristofferson July 6, 2006
Larry Carlton June 3, 1999
Larry Graham January 27, 1999
Leiber & Stoller November 17, 1994
Leland Sklar January 27, 1999
Leo Fender August 10, 1987
Les Paul January 14, 1988
Little Richard January 17, 1990
Los Lobos October 8, 1997
Lou Adler June 17, 1999
Lou Reed June 24, 2003
Louie Bellson December 4, 1999
Lynyrd Skynyrd May 24, 1996
Marvin Gaye February 21, 1989
Melissa Etheridge January 16, 2002
Mick Taylor September 6, 1998
Miles Davis September 28, 2006
Motörhead September 1, 2003
Motley Crue May 20, 1997
Muddy Waters April 4, 2005
Nancy Wilson November 14, 1986
Ozzy Osbourne November 18, 1992
Peter Criss June 20, 1996
Peter Frampton May 1, 1997
Peter Green September 6, 1998
Phil Ramone August 16, 1994
Queen September 8, 2004
Randy Rhoads March 18, 2004
Remo Belli November 13, 1985
Richie Blackmore September 20, 1996
Rick Nelson May 8, 1996
Ritchie Valens October 8, 1997
Robert Cray April 4, 2005
Robert Johnson May 9, 1999
Robert Moog January 14, 1988
Ronnie James Dio January 17, 2007
Roy Orbison February 21, 1989
Run-D.M.C. February 25, 2002
S.N. Shure January 17, 1990
Scotty Moore September 26, 1997
Simon Kirke May 1, 1997
Slash January 17, 2007
Smokey Robinson October 22, 1991
Solomon Burke April 4, 2005
Sonic Youth August 18, 2003
Stanley Clarke January 27, 1999
Steely Dan September 8, 1993
Stephen Stills September 19, 1997
Steve Miller July 11, 2005
Steve Vai June 3, 1999
Stevie Ray Vaughan September 20, 1996
Stevie Wonder November 13, 1985
Ted McCarty January 16, 1992
Ted Nugent May 31, 1996
Terry Bozzio January 17, 2007
The Animals May 11, 2001
The Black Crowes May 14, 2001
The Chantays February 21, 1989
The Cure April 30, 2004
The Doobie Brothers January 14, 1988
The Funk Brothers November 13, 2002
The Germs August 20, 2008
The Isley Brothers January 10, 2002
The Moody Blues September 27, 1994
The Ramones August 6, 1996
The Smashing Pumpkins April 23, 2008
The Surfaris April 12, 1996
The Ventures April 12, 1996
The Wrecking Crew June 25, 2008
Tim Bogert January 27, 1999
Tito Puente July 21, 2000
Todd Rundgren November 11, 1992
Tony Levin January 27, 1999
Toto May 4, 1999
Tsutomu Katoh January 15, 2003
Van Dyke Parks November 28, 1996
Van Halen October 6, 1996
Waylon Jennings July 6, 2006
Willie Dixon April 27, 1989
X June 25, 2002
Yardbirds September 6, 1998
Yes May 24, 1994
Yngwie Malmsteen October 28, 2008
Zakk Wylde January 17, 2006
ZZ Top August 18, 1994





Posted by rockinsue on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 23:02pm


"As for the Kingsmen..."Louie Louie' is the same three chords...over, and over, and over...!!!! No innovation there, the blues have been accused of that for years before that song came out. It's just a catchy tune that (for some reason) won't go away."

I disagree with you here... but I'll write why on their thread.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 10.29.09 @ 16:08pm


Philip - your take is sound and reasonable, but it has one minor flaw. The stupid museum called the RnR Hall of Fame is supposed to be about Innovation, influence and perpetuation of the artform


They meet all of these reasons From top selling songs ".Coined frazes" Drum solo early Who- Van Halen etc..
TVS SHOW movies , Ads etc...

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 11.3.09 @ 09:47am


coined phrases are not innovation. It's a catchphrase, a jingoism... it's not a musical note, only a banknote. Ads are not artistic innovation or influence.... it's regarded as a measurement for how far they've sold out.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.3.09 @ 14:12pm


coined phrases are not innovation. It's a catchphrase, a jingoism... it's not a musical note, only a banknote. Ads are not artistic innovation or influence.... it's regarded as a measurement for how far they've sold out.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.3.09 @ 14:12pm


to create a Coin phrases is the pintical of innovation Look at Shakespeare , Plato.. Confucius or Holy Bible.. If those folks an book not innovation and influance what is ? If you can even get one in a 100 life times that is a 1000 x's than most can do in 10000' life times..
"The object of the superior man is truth""Study the past, if you would divine the future.
Confucius

Confucius



Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 11.3.09 @ 14:35pm


Ads are not artistic innovation or influence.... it's regarded as a measurement for how far they've sold out.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.3.09 @ 14:12pm

Some say you sell out when you sold your music..... I say that you sell out if you don't sell your art

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 11.3.09 @ 14:39pm


That makes absolutely no sense.

Anyway, I don't agree necessarily with the other side of the coin. There's nothing wrong with an artist making a living off their talent and work. I'm just saying that having your song in a commercial isn't a measurement of perpetuation, innovation or influence. It just means that someone in the advertising industry had the money to license it. Advertising industry is not the music industry itself, therefore, it does not factor in.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.3.09 @ 14:59pm




That makes absolutely no sense.

Anyway, I don't agree necessarily with the other side of the coin. There's nothing wrong with an artist making a living off their talent and work. I'm just saying that having your song in a commercial isn't a measurement of perpetuation, innovation or influence. It just means that someone in the advertising industry had the money to license it. Advertising industry is not the music industry itself, therefore, it does not factor in.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.3.09 @ 14:59pm


First of all Advertising is a Art// Ask Madonna Beatles, Jackson and any other artistic act..
Ads like music or movies are made to reach your mind..
Many big Acts have their music on Ads,, Even the Beatles
Influence is measured by what it has influence .. If what your have said is "COINED" that by golly is influence to the highest social degree ..
The marketing world use songs/music that have and will influence you.. Same with the movie world... This one of the big ways of how we can measure influence..{Social impact}
When other bands take what you have done and use the song or that musical direction that is called influence... Such as Van Halen Ventures, Who Fat Boys ,Beach Boys , Toy Dolls ,hundred of marching band etc... etc...and the
Heck the Surfaris even have a surf break in Hawaii named after their song "Point Panic.."
I can only think of 2 others {WHITE GUYS}that have a beach named after them or in the Surfaris case their song... Captian Cook and Dale Velzy {Velzyland}. That is called influence.. From the coined "Wipe Out" to "Surfer Joe " and even the spelling of the word "Surfaris" {many surf companies} use that name.. are all use in the surfing world and other worlds on a regular basis..
Not many bands can say that they have had so much impact.. It is really quite amazing what they did.. You must remember "Surf Music" was short lived.. Heck It might as well have been killed in a Airplane crash.. as far as how long the music{Surf } was selling LOL.. But its influence is very BIG.. for being so small..
From the Drum "solo of rock" and "surfers anthem'
Copied or influenced such greats as Who ,Van Halen ,Ventures, Toy Dolls ,Fat Boys .100's of marching bands... 100's of Ads , numerous movies sound tracks , Coined phrase, Beach named after their songs ....to a TV show 45 years later.. That is what I call influence...You do not make "SENSE".! I really wonder about your logic or lack of..
Surfs UP! RU???



Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 11.4.09 @ 07:24am


That makes absolutely no sense.

Anyway, I don't agree necessarily with the other side of the coin. There's nothing wrong with an artist making a living off their talent and work. I'm just saying that having your song in a commercial isn't a measurement of perpetuation, innovation or influence. It just means that someone in the advertising industry had the money to license it. Advertising industry is not the music industry itself, therefore, it does not factor in.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 11.3.09 @ 14:59pm

One more big point .. If you don't think surf music had influence ... remember that the next time you are "surfing the web" I hope your computer doesnt "Wipe OUt"...(:

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 11.4.09 @ 08:10am


Sorry, my point was that coined phrases and ads are not MUSICAL influences. And the latter, I still don't hold to be artistic... strictly because it's more about money than art.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 11.4.09 @ 14:14pm


Also, I believe you've got your logic reversed... I would imagine the song is named after the beach (like Pipeline is as well), not vice-versa.

But the point is that influence is concerned, the rest of culture doesn't matter. Yes, Wipe Out has had a significant cultural impact... but none of that matters outside of the music industry. Where the RnRHoF is concerned, all that matters is what was the effect of the GROUP/ARTIST (not the one song necessarily) on the evolution of ROCK 'N' ROLL (not the American/world culture on a large scale). And even in the Rock'n'roll context, there's a huge disconnect between Wipe Out and the Surfaris... meaning a lot of people can't name the group who first recorded Wipe Out. That too is pretty significant, doncha think?

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 11.4.09 @ 14:23pm


Also, I believe you've got your logic reversed... I would imagine the song is named after the beach (like Pipeline is as well), not vice-versa.
Point Panic was name in the late 70's in Hawaii on the island of Oahu..after the Surfaris song..

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 11.4.09 @ 18:31pm


Where the RnRHoF is concerned, all that matters is what was the effect of the GROUP/ARTIST (not the one song necessarily) on the evolution of ROCK 'N' ROLL (not the American/world culture on a large scale). And even in the Rock'n'roll context, there's a huge disconnect between Wipe Out and the Surfaris... meaning a lot of people can't name the group who first recorded Wipe Out. That too is pretty significant, doncha think?

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 11.4.09 @ 14:23pm

LOL you are dreaming ..
I t everything you have said it didn't... Most cna't name .what the The Flamingos,The Moonglows,Little Anthony & the Imperials, Parliament-Funkadelic... or 1/2 of the inductees bands or their Hits..Even if they did it would not change a thing.,,,,
It was influence... now it is this LOL
THE HOLLYWOOD'S "ROCK WALK OF FAME" WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU...But what would they know they are in Hollywood not Cleaven loL... Your logic is weak to none,,, and full of nonsense... ..

Posted by mrzxyz on Wednesday, 11.4.09 @ 18:48pm


Where the RnRHoF is concerned, all that matters is what was the effect of the GROUP/ARTIST (not the one song necessarily) on the evolution of ROCK 'N' ROLL (not the American/world culture on a large scale). And even in the Rock'n'roll context, there's a huge disconnect between Wipe Out and the Surfaris... meaning a lot of people can't name the group who first recorded Wipe Out. That too is pretty significant, doncha think?

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 11.4.09 @ 14:23pm

LOL you are dreaming ..
IF everything you have said was true {which it is not}.. Most can't name what The Flamingos,The Moonglows,Little Anthony & the Imperials, Parliament-Funkadelic... or 1/2 of the inductees bands or their Hits..Even if they did it would not change a thing.,,,,
It was influence... now.. it is this LOL
THE HOLLYWOOD'S "ROCK WALK OF FAME" WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU...But what would they know.. ? they are in Hollywood not Cleveland loL... Your logic is weak to none,,, and full of nonsense.....


Sorry for the mis- spells so I fixed it.. kinda LOL
I is a thinker not a speller....

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 11.4.09 @ 21:10pm


How is it full of nonsense? I think you'd be surprised at the number of people who can at least place "I Only Have Eyes For You" with the Flamingos and "Sincerely" with the Moonglows. In the younger generation, not too many, that I'll grant you.

And MUSICAL influence/impact is the only realm that matters, not wide-range cultural. That's why I've said and will continue to say that ads, movies, tv shows, even beach names... don't matter. And surfing would still exist without surf music. It might not be as popular as it was/still is, but it'd still be there, and I'm sure they still call it "surfing the net" and channel surfing independent of "Wipe Out."

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 16:22pm


Sounds like the bantering of a desperate fan, if you ask me. They've been eligible for 22 years, and have never been considered. I think that speaks volumes for their chances...

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 18:03pm


is it full of nonsense? I think you'd be surprised at the number of people who can at least place "I Only Have Eyes For You" with the Flamingos and "Sincerely" with the Moonglows. In the younger generation, not too many, that I'll grant you.

And MUSICAL influence/impact is the only realm that matters, not wide-range cultural. That's why I've said and will continue to say that ads, movies, tv shows, even beach names... don't matter. And surfing would still exist without surf music. It might not be as popular as it was/still is, but it'd still be there, and I'm sure they still call it "surfing the net" and channel surfing independent of "Wipe Out."

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 16:22pm


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

LOL you are a crake up...!!! Ok sure what ever you say....{wink} LOL LOL...

From Marching bands to Rock band to rap bands TV to Movies.. From Beaches to coined frazes....Hollywood's "Walk Rock" to the drum solo of rock. ??? LOL . I can't really figure out what is missing .. Until you came by.. with your nonsense and lack of logic it seems to cover it all ,,, that you seem to have a endless summer of supply.. !LOL
Surfs UP..
S


Posted by mrxyz on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 18:05pm


Did the group make the song...or did the song make the group? Maybe you should ask yourself that. To the masses, they're affiliated with one song...period.

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 18:09pm




Did the group make the song...or did the song make the group? Maybe you should ask yourself that. To the masses, they're affiliated with one song...period.

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 18:09pm

Which masses?? LOL the answer is YES ... but many of the masses see it different... Heck even Neil Young wrote a sequel to Surfer Joe....not Wipe Out.. Ya don't name a beach Point Panic if you are only thinking Wipe Out.... I know Moon if he be alive would see it not like your so called masses..
Then don't forget James Brown saying Jim Fuller is the GODFATHER of Surf Guitar.. He may not know surf music but he knew music.. better than you or ME.. Then there is Guitar World saying Wipe Out is one of the top 10 most influential rock songs.................................. Plenty of RRHOFers with 1 or 2hits.
Me think you surfing the DE-Nile
Surfs UP!!! RU

Posted by mrxyz on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 20:06pm


Sounds like the bantering of a desperate fan, if you ask me. They've been eligible for 22 years, and have never been considered. I think that speaks volumes for their chances...

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 18:03pm

No just point out a point as in panic .. So are all of the below not IN .. many of them should be in way brfore others that are in... Please read below...





Barbara Mandrell, Billy Preston, Bobbie Gentry, Chad & Jeremy, The Chiffons, The Crystals, Darlene Love, Dionne Warwick, Dolly Parton, Gerry and the Pacemakers, Jackie DeShannon, Lesley Gore, Liza Minnelli, Lonnie Mack, Loretta Lynn, Manfred Mann, Neil Diamond, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Rocky Fellers, Rufus Thomas, The Searchers, The Seekers, Tammi Terrell, The Trashmen, Wayne Newton, ...
1987 Albert King, Arthur Alexander, Barbra Streisand, Bobby “Boris” Pickett, Bobby Fuller Four, The Contours, Dee Dee Sharp, Dick Dale, Glen Campbell, Gordon Lightfoot, Ian and Sylvia, Jay Black, The Kingsmen, Little Eva, Lou Christie, Lou Rawls, Nancy Wilson, Patti LaBelle, Peter, Paul & Mary, Sam the Sham & the Pharaohs, The Surfaris, Tommy Roe, The Valentinos, ...
1986 The Angels, Ben E. King, Bobby Vinton, Brian Hyland, Carla Thomas, Gary U.S. Bonds, Judy Collins, Larry Chance and the Earls, Lee Dorsey, The Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Nancy Sinatra, Paul Revere & the Raiders, Screaming Lord Sutch, Slim Harpo, The Spinners, Willie Nelson, ...
1985 Aaron Neville, Bobby Rydell, Bobby Vee, Chubby Checker, Cliff Richard & the Shadows, Jan & Dean, Joan Baez, Johnny Hallyday, Link Wray, ...
1984 Annette Funicello, Brook Benton, Buck Owens, Carole King, Conway Twitty, Eric Dolphy, Frankie Avalon, Freddy Cannon, Huey “Piano” Smith and the Clowns, Jerry Butler, The Miracles, Neil Sedaka, The Penguins, Roy Brown, The Shadows, The Skyliners, Sonny Boy Williamson, ...
1983 The Big Bopper, Bobby Freeman, The Chantels, Connie Francis, The Dominoes, Fabian, Jimmy Clanton, Jody Reynolds, Johnny Tillotson, Junior Parker, The Kingston Trio, Nina Simone, Ornette Coleman, Paul Anka, Serge Gainsbourg, ...
1982 Andy Williams, Bobby Day, Buddy Knox, The Cadillacs, Chuck Willis, The Crests, The Crickets, Danny & the Juniors, Don and Dewey, George Jones, Johnny Mathis, Larry Williams, Patsy Cline, Petula Clark, Ray Conniff, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, ...
1981 The “5” Royales, Bill Evans, Clarence “Frogman” Henry, Dale Hawkins, The Del-Vikings, The Diamonds, Ella Fitzgerald, The Famous Flames, The Five Satins, Freddie King, Herbie Hancock, John Coltrane, Johnny Burnette and the Rock N Roll Trio, Lee Allen, Lee Morgan, Otis Rush, Sonny Burgess, ...
1980 The Cleftones, The Fontane Sisters, The Heartbeats, Jack Scott, Johnny Ace, Pat Boone, Phil Sloane, Roger Williams, Sammy Davis, Jr., ...

Posted by mrxyz on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 20:31pm


22 years...no consideration!!! Also, I consider "Guitar World" to be about the most uninformed RAG on guitar I've ever seen...kinda like "Rolling Stone"...try "Guitar Player"! I looked at your list...there are very few on it who deserve induction! You're just pulling a bunch of names out of a hat (or "someplace else")!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 22:10pm



22 years...no consideration!!! Also, I consider "Guitar World" to be about the most uninformed RAG on guitar I've ever seen...kinda like "Rolling Stone"...try "Guitar Player"! I looked at your list...there are very few on it who deserve induction! You're just pulling a bunch of names out of a hat (or "someplace else")!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 22:10pm



The "Hollywood Rock Walk of Fame" does not agree with your opinion Also I guess you don't think Neil Diamond.Herbie Hancock,The Big Bopper, Carole King,Patsy Cline,Peter, Paul & Mary, Kingston Trio ,Dick Dale,Kingsmen,Paul Revere & the Raiders,Monkeys,Sonny an Cher ,,to name a few should not be IN says Volumes LOL They are in good company.. When the band that wrote and had the hit pf the "Drum Solo of Rock "is not in it says lots..

Any ways you were talking "The Masses" and I showed you other"MASSES" did not agree with you..
Keep Rockin

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 06:48am


I looked at your list...there are very few on it who deserve induction! You're just pulling a bunch of names out of a hat (or "someplace else")!

Posted by Gitarzan on Thursday, 11.5.09 @ 22:10pm


PS I got the list from this forum
FutureRockLegends.com
Analysis Eligible Artist ...LOL I rest my Point so try not to Panic..

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 06:59am


The "Hollywood Rock Walk of Fame" does not agree with your opinion -mrxyz

Since when are you into that "Hollywood Hype?"

Posted by interviewer on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 08:38am


The "Hollywood Rock Walk of Fame" does not agree with your opinion -mrxyz

Since when are you into that "Hollywood Hype?"

Posted by interviewer on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 08:38am

They really have very little Hype it seems they can do it with out a PR firm.. LOL .. My point is many think they are HOT ROCKERS a All I am pointing out is FACTS!!not bias opinions. From Neil Young, Who,, Van Halen, James Brown, Ventures, Fat Boys ,Beach Boys ,Toy Dolls, Movies, Ads ,TV ,Coined phrases,Walk of Fame, Bill Board,Guitar World ,Marching bands, Rap groups ,rock band,real surfers and Hawaii, this forums list.. etc etc..

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 09:48am


22 years...no consideration!!! Also, I consider "Guitar World" to be about the most uninformed RAG on guitar I've ever seen...kinda like "Rolling Stone"...try "Guitar Player"!

"Guitar Player Mag" interview is where I found Eddy Van Halen talking about how much he liked the Surfaris! LOL..

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 10:07am


mrxyz,

that list is huge - you can't expect ALL of those artists to get in. Gitarzan's right in that so few out of that list deserve induction.

The ones I would like to see inducted are:

Neil Diamond, Dick Dale, Gordon Lightfoot, Peter, Paul & Mary, Jay and the Americans, Bobby Vinton, Ben E. King, Larry Chance and the Earls (i'll probably get slack for this one though :/ ), Link Wray, Jan and Dean, Bobby Rydell, Bobby Vee, Chubby Checker, Neil Sedaka, Connie Francis, Paul Anka, The Big Bopper, Jack Scott, Danny and the Juniors, Johnny Burnette and the Rock And Roll Trio, Carole King, and The Kingston Trio.
The Miracles should've been inducted with Smokey Robinson, and the Crickets should've been inducted with Buddy Holly.

My list is a pretty big list too, but it's nothing compared to all the artists you've listed. Do you really think Streisand warrants rock and roll hall of fame induction?

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 15:01pm


Oh, I forgot Petula Clark. Still, my statement stands.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 15:03pm


My list is a pretty big list too, but it's nothing compared to all the artists you've listed. Do you really think Streisand warrants rock and roll hall of fame induction?

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 15:01pm

No not all of them but.. lots of them could or should.. It is your pick .... My point is that many for 22 years MORE OR LESS ARE NOT IN BUT SHOULD OR COULD BE IN...That was just a response to Gitarzan..Peter Paul and MARY SHOULD OF BEEN YEARS AGO SAME WITH lINK WRAY AND MANY OTHERS...

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 15:54pm


LOL you are a crake up...!!! Ok sure what ever you say....{wink} LOL LOL...

"From Marching bands to Rock band to rap bands TV to Movies.. From Beaches to coined frazes....Hollywood's "Walk Rock" to the drum solo of rock. ??? LOL . I can't really figure out what is missing .. Until you came by.. with your nonsense and lack of logic it seems to cover it all ,,, that you seem to have a endless summer of supply.. !LOL
Surfs UP..
S"

Answer me this: why is what I say nonsense and lacking in logic? I want a real answer to this question. Because what I'm saying seems to make perfect sense to everyone else here (others, feel free to speak up if otherwise). The criteria say "Innovation, influence, and contributing to the perpetuation of rock'n'roll". It doesn't say anything about "appears in many movie soundtracks". That doesn't necessarily contribute to the perpetuation of rock'n'roll, outside of that song reaching a newer younger audience. "Bohemian Rhapsody" became huge all over again after being in the first Wayne's World movie. But Queen didn't have a huge resurgence as a band. Just the song did. It doesn't say anything about being in commercials. Lots of songs have been in commercials. It says more about the songs really than the artists who recorded them, and a lot of times, they want the song because of a lyric that they can tie to a tagline or hook. It doesn't say anything about being played by marching bands... and I think pep bands play them in the stands at basketball games more than they actually march to it outside on the football field... I know, I played it at basketball games, and never at football games.

Your points about influencing guitarists and drummers are at the very least on-topic. All that other stuff in the world of pop culture doesn't... and it doesn't matter because they are not the criteria by which acts are chosen.

And I think Git makes a good point too... the song was bigger than the band. That's why no one's seriously considering the Surfaris.

As the Four Seasons sang... "No surfing today."

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 16:36pm


Here's the YES pile of that list you gave me... the ones I agree with.

Billy Preston, Darlene Love, Lesley Gore, Neil Diamond, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Albert King, Dick Dale, The Kingsmen, Lou Rawls, Patti LaBelle, Ben E. King, Gary U.S. Bonds, Judy Collins, Lee Dorsey, The Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Paul Revere & the Raiders, Slim Harpo, The Spinners, Willie Nelson, Bobby Rydell, Chubby Checker, Cliff Richard & the Shadows, Jan & Dean, Link Wray, Brook Benton, Carole King, Freddy Cannon, Huey “Piano” Smith and the Clowns, Jerry Butler, The Miracles, Neil Sedaka,
The Big Bopper, The Chantels, Connie Francis, The Dominoes, Junior Parker, Buddy Knox & the Rhythm Orchids, Chuck Willis, The Crickets, Danny & the Juniors, Larry Williams, Patsy Cline, The “5” Royales, The Del-Vikings, The Diamonds, Ella Fitzgerald, The Five Satins, Freddie King, Johnny Burnette and the Rock N Roll Trio, Johnny Ace, Pat Boone,

The MAYBE pile:

The Chiffons, The Crystals, Manfred Mann, Rufus Thomas, The Searchers, Glen Campbell, Peter, Paul & Mary; The Surfaris, Tommy Roe, Carla Thomas, Joan Baez, Johnny Hallyday, The Penguins, The Kingston Trio, Nina Simone, Paul Anka, The Crests, The Cleftones, Jack Scott,


The I CAN SEE WHY YOU'D SAY THEM, BUT I NEED A BETTER ARGUMENT pile:

Lonnie Mack, The Rocky Fellers, Arthur Alexander, Bobby Fuller Four, Dee Dee Sharp, The Angels, Bobby Vee, Bobby Freeman, Bobby Day, The Cadillacs, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Clarence “Frogman” Henry

NO: the rest of that list.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 17:02pm


Answer me this: why is what I say nonsense and lacking in logic? I want a real answer to this question. Because what I'm saying seems to make perfect sense to everyone else here (others, feel free to speak up if otherwise). The criteria say "Innovation, influence, and contributing to the perpetuation of rock'n'roll". It doesn't say anything about "appears in many movie soundtracks". That doesn't necessarily contribute to the perpetuation of rock'n'roll, outside of that song reaching a newer younger audience. "Bohemian Rhapsody" became huge all over again after being in the first Wayne's World movie. But Queen didn't have a huge resurgence as a band. Just the song did. It doesn't say anything about being in commercials. Lots of songs have been in commercials. It says more about the songs really than the artists who recorded them, and a lot of times, they want the song because of a lyric that they can tie to a tagline or hook. It doesn't say anything about being played by marching bands... and I think pep bands play them in the stands at basketball games more than they actually march to it outside on the football field... I know, I played it at basketball games, and never at football games.
Philip
For the last time..LOL. If you are on all of this , Rock bands ,rap groups do your music and praise you....coined frazes, beaches named after your music, marching bands ,movies, tv's, "walk rock of fame",Ads etc etc,,,Charted 2 x's with same song ,Surfers Anthem,"Drum solo of rock"... etc etc etc....... it means you have "Innovation, influence, and contributing to the perpetuation of rock'n'roll.."
Above and beyond.. most bands..!!! really what more could anybody or thing do other than rule the world..? Heck it is only music..lol... your are to funny.. scram please lol.

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 17:44pm


"For the last time..LOL. If you are on all of this , Rock bands ,rap groups do your music and praise you"--mrxyz

This is germane. Important. Significant.

"....coined frazes, beaches named after your music, marching bands ,movies, tv's, "walk rock of fame",Ads etc etc,,"--mrxyz

This is not. This is not within the music industry itself. And it is not part of the listed criteria for the HoF.

",Charted 2 x's with same song ,Surfers Anthem,"Drum solo of rock"... etc etc etc......."

This is important. Do you see the difference?

"it means you have "Innovation, influence, and contributing to the perpetuation of rock'n'roll..""

Some of it does, some of it doesn't, and some of it does but not enough to warrant RnRHoF induction.

"your are to funny.. scram please lol."

Why should I? Give me a reason why I should. You're an idiot.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 18:25pm


By the way...I checked out Guitar World's "100 greatest" list, and of course, "Wipeout was nowhere to be found. You must be reading a different "Guitar World" magazine. I also checked out Eddie Van Halen's influences...he mentioned Brian May and Eric Clapton, but no mention of "Wipeout".

Where do you dig up your information? Must be a magazine called "Hollywood Hype"....

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 18:27pm


"Wipeout" was likely not an influence on Van Halen, Alex just liked playing it.

"Alex lost interest in the guitar and spent more time pounding out the Surfaris' "Wipe Out" on Edward's $125 Japanese-made St. George kit while his younger brother was out delivering newspapers to pay for it, and they soon switched instruments permanently."

The source can be found on his wikipedia page, but that article sites his influences as Buddy Rich, Keith Moon, John Bonham and Ginger Baker, not even mentioning the Surfaris drummer.

Guitar World lost credibility in my opinion when they did a "Top 20 Hair Metal Albums of the Eighties" list. They put GNR and the Cult in it for heaven's sake.

Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 18:44pm


Dude Man, to mrxyz, liking to play the song IS influence.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 18:48pm


Dude Man, to mrxyz, liking to play the song IS influence.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 18:48pm
Duh lol and there music reflected it lots of lead guitar and drum fills lol Duh...I happen to know the Van Halens like the surfaris music...

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 19:42pm


Dude Man, to mrxyz, liking to play the song IS influence.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 18:48pm
If you like playing something it is influencing you..! Are you guy on some odd orbit.. What planet are you on... LOL
TTL

Posted by mrxyz on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 19:45pm


I think influence runs a lot deeper than simply "wanting to play the song". There have been a lot of songs I've learned (Wipeout included) without necessarily having been influenced by the artist. As a matter of fact, I didn't even know who the guitarist on "Wipeout" was until just a few years back...I simply didn't care.

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 20:20pm


mrxyz...do you talk to the Van Halens a lot? You certainly can't detect it in the way he plays...probably because he's known as one of the great innovators in rock guitar...he's been doing the influencing for the last, say 30years...

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 20:23pm


"I happen to know the Van Halens like the surfaris music..."

Correction, Alex enjoyed one song by the group. And again if he was so influenced by the band then why didn't he list their drummer in the article as such? Alex most likely didn't even know any other songs by the band.

Posted by Dude Man on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 20:38pm




mrxyz...do you talk to the Van Halens a lot? You certainly can't detect it in the way he plays...probably because he's known as one of the great innovators in rock guitar...he's been doing the influencing for the last, say 30years...

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 11.6.09 @ 20:23pm;;

It has been year since {80's} I have worked with or seen the Van Halens... I hope that answers your question..
As far as influence goes many things influence us even this forum....
Surf Music was part of the early foundation of lead guitar drum feel songs. Such bands as: Cream, Who, Hendrix, Van Halen ect.. The Surfaris were the main group that had that musical direction.. I have never or almost never seen so many facts put in front of some of you and then try to put holes in them ,, It is a true shame that credit is not give do ...I find that very dis respectful to musicians that have put their heart and soul into their musical achievements...Shame on YOU!!
A partial list of FACTS
Ventures
Fat Boys
Beach Boys
Toy Dolls
Charted 2x's
Coined phrases "Surfer Joe and Wipe Out
numerous Ads ,film and TV sound tracts
Drum Solo of Rock
Surfers Anthem
Rock walk of fame
Surf break in Hawaii Point Panic
Neil Youngs sequel to Surfer Joe
James Brown Truth Magazine "Godfather of Surf Guitar"

etc etc...




Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 11.7.09 @ 10:23am


Fact: the Ventures were doing surf music before the Surfaris made their first recording.

Fact: Brian Wilson's main inspiration to write surf songs, beginning with "Surfin'", came to him after a trip to the beach. There are recorded interviews that attest to this.

Fact: "Surfin'" was out and a hit before "Wipe Out"

Fact: "Surfin' U.S.A." was inspired compositionally by "Sweet Little Sixteen" and lyrically by Chubby Checker's (or Danny And The Juniors', depending on how you look at it) "Twistin' U.S.A."

Fact: Brian Wilson has on numerous occasions cited the Four Freshmen as his biggest influence.

NOTE: I'm not denying that the success of "Wipe Out" may have (operative word: may) made it easier for the Beach Boys to find their subsequent success, but not all glory, laud, and honor is due the Surfaris. There were others who were much more responsible for helping mold and influence the sound of the Beach Boys.

I still hold ads and soundtracks to be irrelevant. Yes, it's a fact that the song was used repeatedly in ads and soundtracks, but that is NOT germane to RnRHoF consideration. Again, I think Gitarzan was correct when he said the song was bigger than the group.

I've decided to concede the coined phrases because a coined phrase can help mold a mindset that will influence a way of playing of style of music. So, you were right about that point. I'll give that some importance.

As for James Brown... yeah, it's awesome to get praise from someone like James Brown... BUT... surf music was NOT James Brown's element. He was a credible enough expert on R&B and funk. Surf music, not so much. It'd be like David Lee Roth calling someone the greatest rapper. Or J-Lo calling someone the greatest ballerina. Somewhat related, but not too reliable.

And I'd never heard of the Toy Dolls. The Rag Dolls, yes, (they recorded "Society Girl" as an answer to the Four Seasons' "Rag Doll"), and I've heard of the Toys ("A Lover's Concerto"), and even the New York Dolls. But not the Toy Dolls. Really means nothing to me there.

The Fat Boys were a short-lived novelty rap act. They're covering "Wipe Out" could just as easily be viewed as an insult as it could a form of flattery.

If you actually look at the history of the Hot 100... a LOT of songs charted twice. This really isn't as spectacular as you might think. Songs off the top of my head that I know charted twice:

"Summertime" by the Jamies
"December 1963 (Oh What A Night)" by the Four Seasons (slight dance remix difference)
"Unchained Melody" by the Righteous Brothers (both the original re-charting AND a new recording in the Hot 100 at the same time in 1990)
"Every Beat Of My Heart" by Gladys Knight And The Pips
"Monster Mash" by Bobby "Boris" Pickett
"Bohemian Rhapsody" by Queen
"Do You Love Me" by the Contours
"Stand By Me" by Ben E. King
"Shout" by the Isley Brothers
"Twist And Shout" by the Beatles
"Rock Around The Clock" by Bill Haley And The Comets
"Surfin' U.S.A." by the Beach Boys
"They're Coming To Take Me Away Ha-Haaa!" by Napolean XIV
"The Twist" by Chubby Checker
"White Christmas" by Bing Crosby
"My Sweet Lord" by George Harrison

That's just off the top of my head.

Point Panic... really don't think it's important because it's not a musical influence... it's a cultural one, which isn't germane to RnRHoF consideration.

The rest of it I can see as interesting points... just not convinced it adds up to convincing case for the Hall.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 11.7.09 @ 12:40pm


46 years ago today.. maybe "Wipe Out" the hit of 63 is what happen to our great country that sad day.. .. Is it the Theme song of what really happen and what is happening today? that stared then... just a thought. The song maybe more than "just a song."
Surfs UP!

Posted by mrxyz on Sunday, 11.22.09 @ 23:38pm


Along with link wray the Surfaris have one of the 500 Songs that Shaped Rock and Roll ,Acording to the Rock and Roll hall of fame

Posted by mrxyz on Monday, 02.8.10 @ 23:36pm


Rich Delvy 67 RIP the original drummer for the Belairs {first "surf song" with air play Mr Moto}
He owned the publishing rights to rocks #1 drum solo Wipe Out. Became David Cassidys musical director and drummer.He also produced the Chamber Brothers.He wrote music for Bill Cosby Fat Albert Show... Paul Johnson the original lead guitar of the Belairs is now in Jim Fullers {godfather of surf music}Surfaris band....Surfs UP!

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 02.13.10 @ 12:37pm


Did more to change rock in a good direction than many already in the HALL Jimmy Fuller the Godfather of surf guitar

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 02.27.10 @ 23:43pm


They Rock!!! Where would rock be with out them!!!!

Posted by hounddog on Sunday, 05.16.10 @ 19:26pm


Did more to change rock in a good direction than many already in the HALL Jimmy Fuller the Godfather of surf guitar

Posted by mrxyz on Saturday, 02.27.10 @ 23:43pm

Nope. "Wipe Out" was a big hit and Jim Fuller was a good guitarist but the Surfaris weren't innovative at all and nobody cites them as an Influence. Jan and Dean formed a total of 4 years before the Surfaris and even the Beach Boys had formed the previous year they were formed.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 03:18am


The Surfaris weren't trendsetters, they were trend followers, in fact they were one of the last to jump on the bandwagon. The Ventures, Dick Dale, the Bel-Airs, the Challengers, Eddie & The Snowmen, the Chantays, Jan & Dean, the Beach Boys and the Astronauts all had their hits before the Surfaris (Some of these were more innovative than others). Heck, just read about the history of surf music. "By the early 1960s instrumental rock and roll had been pioneered successfully by performers such as Duane Eddy, Link Wray, and The Ventures. This trend was developed by Dick Dale who added the distinctive reverb, the rapid alternate picking characteristic of the genre, as well as Middle Eastern and Mexican influences, producing the regional hit "Let's Go Trippin'" in 1961 and launching the surf music craze, following up with songs like "Misirlou" (1962). Like Dale and his Del-Tones, most early surf bands were formed in Southern California area, with Orange County in particular having a strong surf culture, and the Rendezvous Ballroom in Balboa hosted many surf-styled acts. Groups such as the Bel-Airs (whose hit "Mr. Moto" was released months before Dale's "Let's Go Trippin'"), the Challengers, and Eddie & the Showmen following Dale to regional success." etc, etc etc. Just read Scaruffi's "A History of Rock Music: 1951-2000" or Blair's "The Illustrated Discography of Surf Music" both of which are excellently summarized on wikipedia (if you want more, go buy these books on Amazon). Go to Allmusic, read about some of these artists, the FACTS are right their in black and white. From reading some of your posts you give the impression that the Surfaris are the greatest band of all time and totally ignore that everybody who wishes to contribute to this discussion disagree with you!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 03:42am


Finally, if you read up on "Wipe Out" there's nothing about the guitar work, hardly anything earth-shattering, Jim Fuller is hardly the "godfather" of anything, let alone surf guitar. He brought nothing new to the table (This is more Gitarzan's territory so I won't go any further). "Wipe Out" is all about the drum work, the DRUMS. "Wilson's energetic drum solo made "Wipe Out" one of the best-remembered instrumental songs of the period. "Wipe Out" is also remembered particularly for its introduction before the music starts, a cracking sound (imitating a breaking surf board), and a maniacal laugh followed by the only two words of the song, "wipe out". "Wipe Out" was written in the studio by the four original members (Berryhill, Connolly, Fuller, Wilson), and was originally going to be titled "Switchblade". It sold over one million copies, and was awarded a gold disc." Here's the source (Murrells, Joseph (1978). The Book of Golden Discs (2nd ed.). London: Barrie and Jenkins Ltd. p. 167.)

Yeah, the defining "Surf song" and it was going to be titled "Switchblade." Hearing the word "switchblade" sure makes me think of surfing. "Wipe Out" was nothing more than cashing in on the surfing bandwagon.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 03:55am


Tahvo Parvianen
the Godfather came from the people not a record company Just Google it/ Dale just did what Link Wray had done nothing new...The Surfaris had the biggest hit It came out in1962...
They also put lead guitar and drums as the back bone of their music. Opening the door to Hendrix Cream Who etc.... I should know I was thee I do not need to read a book..As far as other before them Yes.. Tell that to the Beatles or any 100,000,000 groups after Chuck or Litte Richards etc..It is a shame folks are not giving them the credit that is so over do...But then again on this forum Coven is Queen.. Surfs UP! lol
Surfs UP!

Posted by mrxyzomg on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 10:35am


mrxyz..I can respect your opinion because of your familiarity with the subject at hand but your continued disrespect for Dick Dale amazes me for someone so familiar with rock history. How can you say he "did what Link Wray did" when Link Wray didn't introduce Middle Eastern music into his playing. Link Wray is very important and Dick Dale is also very important. Why can't you respect Dick Dale without downplaying his contributions to music? It's very obvious you think the Surfaris are the greatest band of all time and "Wipe Out" was certainly a big hit, Wilson was a good drummer and even Fuller wasn't bad, I certainly wouldn't call him a Godfather of guitar though

You can worship the Surfaris all you want but please don't downplay other artist's importance because it tends to tarnish your point of view, at least for me

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 10:53am


Tahvo Parvianen
# 1 I do not worship the Surfaris or Dale but I think many worship Dale LOL
# Dick is a good guitar player and deserves credit
# 3 The Surfaris and the Beasch Boys were the ones that brought Surf Music to the front lines becuace they hat the bigger HITS..
#4 The Surfaris were one of the first not Dale or the Beach Boys to make drums and lead guitar the hook of the songs.Wipe Out ,Point Panic Mystic Drums Scatter Shields,Waikiki Run etc etc..That open the door to Hendrix ,Who etc etc..
You can not have a big impac or influance if not many have heard the Music... More heard the Surfaris and the Beach Boys than Dale .. It is what it is...That is based on Facts {record sales}
#5 Dale was called King by the record lable. Fuller is Called Godfather by the people. Both are what they are.. Dale is the King that is a fact and Fuller is the Godfather that also is a fact ..

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 11:17am


Alright mrxyz, I see you're points and I don't necessarily disagree with some of time, heck here's a brief clip of the Surfaris playing "Walk Don't Run" a few years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEoWUay-BFg&feature=related

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 11:53am


That would be "your" curse proofreading deficiency!!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 11:54am


Wilson was a good drummer and even Fuller wasn't bad, I certainly wouldn't call him a Godfather of guitar though

You can worship the Surfaris all you want but please don't downplay other artist's importance because it tends to tarnish your point of view, at least for me


Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 10:53am

I am not tarnishing anyone. It is you that maybe.. Heck you don't even think Fuller is the Godfather.. I paste a Surfline Blog saying he is the GODFATHER Surfline is the biggest surf web cam. I would think they should know Ps the called Dale the King LOLI agrre with both..
Your are the one saying FULLER is not the GODFATHER!! Who is tarnishing who..? You should be ashame of yourself..
Even James Brown magazine the " TRUTH" said Fuller is the Godfather one GF to another LOL
I would say the problem is with you not me.. Facts seem to be a problem with yout opinion . A nother fact is the Surfais have a higher rating than Dale at 79% Dale is in the 63% The People speak by votes on this forum..? But I give little to 0 to these poles.. Coven is Queen on this forum LOL

Posted by mrxyzomg on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 12:01pm


Your are the one saying FULLER is not the GODFATHER!! Who is tarnishing who..? You should be ashame of yourself..
Even James Brown magazine the " TRUTH" said Fuller is the Godfather one GF to another LOL
I would say the problem is with you not me.. Facts seem to be a problem with yout opinion . A nother fact is the Surfais have a higher rating than Dale at 79% Dale is in the 63% The People speak by votes on this forum..? But I give little to 0 to these poles.. Coven is Queen on this forum LOL

Posted by mrxyzomg on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 12:01pm

Well I certainly wasn't expecting the reverse logic!! And look! Dale has been considered for induction (not nominated) and the Surfaris haven't even been considered. Anyways, you can call me crazy but each to his own I guess

But yeah, "Coven is Queen", just like the Red Hot Chilli Peppers have 8500 votes and Lightnin' Hopkins have 10 or there are something like 1500 comments on the Madonna thread and Mississippi John Hurt doesn't even have a page here

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 12:15pm


Well I certainly wasn't expecting the reverse logic

The only one using reverse logic is You a a few others on this forum ..
I use facts
you use opinions and some facts..
Again I would say Dale is King and Fuller is the Godfather, Many seem to agree such as james Brown {RIP\] Surfine.com the biggest surfing web cam and may others such as surfing magazines etc.. . I think the Surf comunity has the right to pick who they think is the Godfather of Surf IS..!!! Seems only fair...Most in the know knows..Now that you know it should make you the wiseran better person Enjoy Surfs UP!!!

Posted by mrxyzomg on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 12:25pm


Sorry mrxyz but I also use logic, it's in the books taken from primary sources!!! I've got back on this LOL!!! You're not the only vestige of truth and objectivity inhabiting this site! You're whole talk about logic is going to make me have nightmares about the 50s Japanese movie "Rashomon" now (Have you ever seen it?) All your fault!!

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 12:35pm


it?) All your fault!!



Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 12:35pm

I will take the blame.. Haveing said that my facts are real facts
They had the biggest surf instermental.
They are on many movies Tv an Ads ,sound tracks etc..Heck there is even a few TV shows named after Wipe Out .A Surf break in Hawaii named after the song Point Panic.. The Ventures, Beach Boys, Fat Boys and a host of others have re -recorded Wipe Out and other of their songs even Sha Na Na did Wipe Out at Woodstock...They peformed at the 1967 -or 68? grammys 5-6 years after Wipe Out first came out.. The list is almost endless .They are also on the Rock walk of Fame in Hollywood also...
I am not knocking anyone down! But we sure do not need to knock them down to hold others up.... To me when one knocks them down to hold others up it kinda really showing that the others can't stand high with out kocking them down.Or when false or exadurating claims on other artist /acts are made to make them look better...It really proves my point.. Surfs UP!

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 13:10pm


I can't believe this, you were the one knocking down other artists and when I pointed this out now I'm the one knocking the Surfaris down to bolster others??? Whatever you say. Alright, alright, I give up the Surfaris should be in the RRHOF....according to mrxyz. How's that?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 13:20pm


can't believe this, you were the one knocking down other artists and when I pointed this out now I'm the one knocking the Surfaris down to bolster others??? Whatever you say. Alright, alright, I give up the Surfaris should be in the RRHOF....according to mrxyz. How's that?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 13:20pm


Really who did I knock down Dick Dale? I agreed he is king .I used facts to make my points not opinions ..I said Fuller is Godfather based on Facts Surfline / Surf Comunity . James Brown ,Record Sales ect .. you said he isn't the Godfather I used Just the Facts .Who is the Godfather ?

Posted by mrxyzomg on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 13:43pm


.Who is the Godfather ?

Posted by mrxyzomg on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 13:43pm

Well I for one always thought it was Michael Corleone but I guess the "voice of the people" says it's Jim Fuller. I myself said Fuller was a good guitarist, what I said that probably struck a nerve with you was that the Surfaris followed the trend and weren't themselves trendsetters, sure they had a fantastic career, but they're not going to be seen as Innovators. Personally, I think we should just drop this discussion here and now because clearly you think they should be in and I don't and nothing either of us is going to say is going to convince the other. In other words, we reached a stalemate. Sure the Surfaris might get in one day but I wouldn't hold my breathe. Want to discuss somebody else now?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 14:01pm


I didn't know he played surf music Michael Corleone ?? heck I thought he is a fictional character.. They may not get in many of the best have not.. I really doesn't change the facts ..Yes they were trendsetters.. So are many that are not in the RRHOF that should be such as: Link Wray ,Sandy Nelson Lighting Hopkins,Peggy Lee, Donovan. Peter Paul and Mary,Sonny Cher, The Chiffons, Joan Baez , Leon Russell ,Carol Kay,even Dick Dale and a host of others.. I will say The "Hollywood Rock Walk of Fame" seem to be on the ball..The Surfaris and Dale are on the "WALK".So I am not the only one .. that gets IT !

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 14:21pm


mrxyz..you asked me who the Godfather was and I jokingly replied Michael Corleone. No he was never a musician nor is he real, it was just a silly joke

So on to the next artist, you mentioned Leon Russell, long overdo as a sideman, IMO

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 14:28pm


Leon Russell just a Sideman ??? that and all of the above..Please you really need to do some rock an roll homework LOL

Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 14:39pm


You can't tell me with a straight face you think they're realistically going to induct Leon Russell as a Performer?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 14:53pm


Not really, mrxyz... he did it all, but that doesn't mean he deserves to be inducted in every category. And besides which, it's pretty obvious at this one point that a person is only going to get inducted in ONE category. So I think given that, which ONE category does Leon Russell deserve most to be inducted in? And I think Side-Man is the most obvious answer to that.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 14:53pm


Tahvo, he's saying Leon Russell needs to be inducted in every category, even Early Influence.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 14:55pm


Thanks for bringing some sanity to this Philip, I've just about had enough with the Surfaris fanboy, I should have probably known better before stepping into shark infested waters though, lol

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 14:56pm


mrxyz isn't really that clueless... he's just very heavily jaded. IMO, he overemphasizes the importance of surf music, and I'm not the only one who disagrees with his opinion that liking an artist's song or doing a cover version of it necessarily constitutes influence.

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 15:04pm


Yeah I've seen that in some of his previous posts on other artists, he definitely knows his stuff...if he had his way he'd probably see every artist in history who ever recorded a record in the RRHOF in multiple categories, apart from SRV apparently

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 15:11pm


"Yeah I've seen that in some of his previous posts on other artists, he definitely knows his stuff..."

For some reason I feel that came off as slightly sarcastic which was completely unintentional.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 07.6.10 @ 15:13pm


Gulf and our water our planet
Please let's all send good thoughts to our bothers sisters and to all of mankind that our wave of life is saved....This oil spill is far from over .....

I know the surf community is on pins an needles praying for a miracle... Let's hope were are not sitting on a Point Panic.
Surfs UP!

Posted by mrxyzomg & mrxyz on Tuesday, 07.20.10 @ 23:56pm


I have been reading all of this on the forum. I went and check out what has been said.. I agree the Surfaris should be in. They really did change rock and roll. You can hear their infulence in so may others music.. I never new much about them until now... They should be in but not before the Guitar GOD SRV..

Posted by rockinsue on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 09:51am

Posted by nobody on Tuesday, 08.3.10 @ 15:56pm


I agree "Wipe Out" is a all time classic.. The Surfaris out sold and out played any other real surf band..... What more is there to say,, Surfaris are true rockers !!

Posted by Tom on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 23:17pm

Posted by nobody on Tuesday, 08.3.10 @ 15:56pm


Should have been inducted with The Ventures!

Posted by Roy on Friday, 05.23.08 @ 16:46pm

Posted by nobody on Tuesday, 08.3.10 @ 15:57pm


The Surfaris were true cutting edge in their day. Early Cream ,Who ,Hendrix .. Lead guitar riffs and oodles of drum fills dominated their songs .. They broke all the rules,,,,"Wipe Out" is the rock drum solo all are
measured by.....! The Ventures are great but the Surfaris are true rock and rollers!! So YES!!!!!!!!
Surfs UP!!!

Posted by Dennis on Friday, 08.8.08 @ 09:54am

Posted by nobody on Tuesday, 08.3.10 @ 15:58pm


I have been reading all of this on the forum. I went and check out what has been said.. I agree the Surfaris should be in. They really did change rock and roll. You can hear their infulence in so may others music.. I never new much about them until now... They should be in but not before the Guitar GOD SRV..

Posted by rockinsue on Wednesday, 10.28.09 @ 09:51am

Posted by nobody on Tuesday, 08.3.10 @ 15:59pm


This guys should be in..!

Posted by tinman on Friday, 08.22.08 @ 01:25am

Posted by nobody on Tuesday, 08.3.10 @ 15:59pm


This guys should be in..!

Posted by tinman on Friday, 08.22.08 @ 01:25am

Posted by nobody on Tuesday, 08.3.10 @ 16:00pm


They Rock!!! Where would rock be with out them!!!!

Posted by hounddog on Sunday, 05.16.10 @ 19:26pm

Posted by nobody on Tuesday, 08.3.10 @ 16:01pm


I seeing a lot YES voted of late. I am glad It is sinking IN..Another great artist is Link Wray keep it comin
Rock ON

Posted by mrxyz on Wednesday, 09.15.10 @ 21:19pm


Eligible since: 1987 (The 1988 Induction Ceremony)

Previously Considered? No what's this?

The Surfaris @ Wikipedia

The Surfaris Videos

Induction chances: 11% what's this?

Will The Surfaris be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
Yes:
78%
No:
22%

Total votes: 295

As you can See The Surfaris have a higher % of YES
on this Forum

Posted by mrxyxomg on Sunday, 09.26.10 @ 09:06am


Influence: Wipe Out has probably influenced many surf groups but outside of that? not really.
NO
Innovation: Surf Rock had already begun with Dick Dale and The Beach Boys making the sort of music before hand.
NO
Commercial Sucess.
Try and name a song from them other than Wipe Out without checking on Wkipedia that you heard before you knew them. Can't I bet.
NO

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 11.10.10 @ 10:23am


The Beach Boys
Jan and Dean
The Ventures
The Surfaris
Dick Dale

Posted by Roy on Friday, 11.19.10 @ 08:55am


I just love surf music . This band is the best.

Posted by Gigi on Wednesday, 03.2.11 @ 08:46am


Aloha
I was doing a study on the history of surf music. I stumbled on to this forum..I found it quite informative..In my opinion the most influential surf bands/musicians are The Beach Boys, The Surfaris, The Ventures and Dick Dale. There is no real first surf song .It is a gray zone,
Thanks for all the opinions an facts this forum provided.It is very amusing. It is one of the best on the world wide web about surf music roots, it origins and influences.

Posted by studyhard on Wednesday, 05.18.11 @ 08:07am


Improving my analysis on them.

Influence: The Surfaris had an influence on rock bands, but it was a small one. 10
Innovation: THe first rock band to incorporate drum solos, that counts for something. 15
Comemrcial Sucess: Apart from wipeout, no.
Critical Respect: again, like the kingsmen, apart from wipeout no one gives a damn. 5

30, even less worthy than the kingsmen!

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 10.8.11 @ 08:48am


All I can say is wow! I have been reading lots of stuff on this forum.....I had know idea what impact the Surfaris had .
Thanks for the facts?.I enjoy this very much!

Posted by Happy on Saturday, 02.18.12 @ 21:25pm


Surfariis best surf band ever!! those drum and led guitar are Fantastic !
Great song great musicians !

Posted by Rocket man on Sunday, 02.17.13 @ 11:35am


In Hawaii we named a surf break for the Surfaris song "Point Panic". It is all about respect to our fellow surfers and musicians.. Surf and music make Hawaii the place of peace & bliss ..The Surfaris have recieved the great honor of all that is noble.
You well never be forgotten ,on the Islands of Hawaii..Few have had such a honor given to them .. Aloha and Mahalo to the Surfaris..

Posted by mokuasurf on Friday, 05.24.13 @ 22:26pm


RIP James Fuller "Godfather of surf guitar"

Posted by hawaiianeye on Friday, 03.3.17 @ 09:39am


What is your source for that sad news? I'm not finding any confirmations on google's news search.

Posted by shrek on Friday, 03.3.17 @ 13:30pm


Sad to say "Godfather Fuller" has passed,,,
Many in the music, surf world and his fans are sadden....He did his best that is all anyone can ask.... You will be missed but your spirit and music will live on... Many Mahalos to you James RIP

Posted by Mrxyz on Saturday, 03.4.17 @ 01:24am


I see that this has been confirmed and is being reported on some reputable news sources now.

http://www.axs.com/uk/lead-guitarist-and-singer-for-the-surfaris-best-known-for-wipe-out-has-115607

Posted by Shrek on Monday, 03.6.17 @ 15:00pm


I love the study of rock and blues.
I began my research about 5 years ago, To make a very long story of my journey short. I would have to agree ,that Fuller and Wilson along with the other members of the Surfaris had a very large influence on the music direction. As subtle as it may seem. From the Fender guitar sensation, surfing madness to the Who and many others. They broke and created so many rules. It's really amazing ..! Yeah they were kids and talented with out a clue LOL .. What they did, is played what they felt. Most of the music business didn't know what to do with it.It was so out of the box. Lead guitar and lots of drums feels intertwined.. That was a no no way back then LOL
Back to my learning . I like this forum some interesting insights. Any who, the beat goes ROCK ON !

Posted by Drrock on Friday, 12.15.17 @ 12:21pm


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