The American Breed

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Eligible since: 1991 (The 1992 Induction Ceremony)

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Will The American Breed be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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The band best remembered for "Bend Me, Shape Me." For some reason, many people think "Bend Me, Shape Me" was done by the Grass Roots.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Tuesday, 10.11.11 @ 05:27am


The American Breed:

Gary Loizzo
Charles Colbert, Jr.
Al Ciner
Lee Graziano
Kevin Murphy
Andre Fischer

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 11.14.11 @ 07:50am


Just remember - No American Breed - No Rufus


Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 06.28.17 @ 08:53am


I don't particularly like that line of logic. Just because members of that group went on to bigger, potentially Hall-worthy projects, doesn't automatically make that original effort worthy of induction. It would be wrong to say that the American Breed was influential on Rufus just because Rufus originated from past members of the American Breed. That's not what we or the Hall are talking about when defining an act's "influence." The merits of the group and the music thereof need to be assessed individually without consideration for the cache that certain members' names (or the names of later projects) would go on to have. It's the primary reason I've never been *too* keen on Cream's induction, why I disagreed so much with Bill G. on the issue of the Famous Flames when James Brown as a soloist essentially eclipsed the group's work (and yes, I do include "I Got You", "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag", etc. as solo, despite what the label credit says), why I'm not 100% sold on the Runaways either (especially since I didn't think Joan Jett And The Blackhearts were all that worthy), and why I wanna roll my eyes when someone mentions Generation X for giving us Billy Idol.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 06.28.17 @ 09:32am


How many people from Cream Magazine were involved with nominations? Are you really surprised? Same thing with the Stones being overrated. The Nom Com was part of the business end of music. It came out in the late 70's or early 80's that record sales were falsified to get British artist play time on the radio. I also have my suspicions that Carole King is being shoved down our throats is because of who owns the rights to songs that she wrote as a recording company stable writer. I believe some body will get an income boost out of that one. Funny thing is she is probably the most AC out of all the 70's female artist.

You don't think that American Breed deserves credit for influencing Rufus? Also consider that Hawk Wolinski was in that Garage Band you love to hate, Shadow of Knights, before he joined Rufus.

I'm mostly trying to get people to rethink all the misinformation they fall for:

Rufus wasn't a disco band - not all 70's dance music was disco - Rufus actually had some Rock creds

Chicago artist were interacting and influencing each other in Chicago before they became known nationally

Garage bands were not just a bunch of kids that only knew 3 chords. Garage bands were not a style and it was not a progression to punk. Several garage band members had formal music education. Several garage band members went on to be rock, r&b and blues artists - not punk artist.

Blues, R & B, Rock, Folk and Country artist interacted and collaborated with each other. Several artist from one genre mentored an artist from another genre. Ol Mick's story about Muddy Waters leaves out a lot of what was going on.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 06.29.17 @ 10:35am


Okay, it looks like you're assuming I'm saying a lot of things that I was not saying. I never said Rufus didn't have rock cred. I don't "love to hate" the Shadows Of Knight... the only thing I've said about them is that I questioned the credibility about a list that places Shadows Of Knight above Them, since SoK only broke through nationally by covering a song from Them, and that that was almost the extent of national acclaim for SoK. Your last two paragraphs don't really speak to anything I was actually saying, either.

I also don't think you can call what the American Breed did for Rufus "influence" exactly either. The members all learned something from their time in the American Breed, cutting their teeth, learning new techniques. And that's fine, and how it should be. But when a new band forms partially from the ashes of that first band, the lessons learned and executed in that first band transferred to the second band... I don't think you can rightly call that "Influence." It's a little disingenuous, at least. Again, not the kind of influence we're talking about in regard to the Hall. I reject the idea that *if* (if, not since, speaking hypothetically) we were to accept that the American Breed influenced Rufus, that any bands influenced by Rufus were ipso facto influenced by the American Breed. That dog don't hunt, in my book.

I've no doubt that Chicago bands inspired other Chicago bands, but honestly, it doesn't add up to a whole lot if their influence doesn't extend beyond Chicago. Just like it wouldn't mean much if the Beatles' were only influential to other Liverpudlian bands.

If you think the Stones were overrated, that's your opinion, but they were influential and they did have an undeniable presence that continues as a legacy to this day. And Carole King is being touted at the grassroots level, not entirely dissimilar to the Janet Jackson campaign. The Hall hasn't nominated her since inducting her as a Non-Performer back in '90. I doubt many would call her more AC than Anne Murray though.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 06.29.17 @ 15:47pm


..."why I disagreed so much with Bill G. on the issue of the Famous Flames when James Brown as a soloist essentially eclipsed the group's work (and yes, I do include "I Got You", "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag", etc. as solo, despite what the label credit says)..."
Posted by Philip

That's your opinion...and
, you know what they say about "opinions"...
They're just like noses...everybody has one.
I can't believe that 5 years later, after The Flames were inducted in 2012, you're still talking about this.
I've tried to tell you that James Brown was erroneously credited for songs that The Flames actually wrote, that together,they gave what critics and Rock Historians have stated "The Single GREATEST Rock and Roll Performance EVER Captured on Film"...and STILL you're saying that they were not deserving.Just because The Flames were no longer singing on record,doesn't mean they were just there,twiddling their thumbs.They QUIT, because they were working hard, but only ONE person was getting all of the money.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame does NOT agree with you...They know more than you do.Trust me...they made the right decision.
"I Feel Good" and "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag" were written by Famous Flame Johnny Terry. Lloyd Stallworth wrote "Lost Someone". Alone. It was a million-seller. Bobby Byrd wrote a LOT of songs wrongly credited solely to James Brown...and is one of the unsung Fathers of Funk.Bobby Bennett co-wrote several tunes too.
THREE TIMES , Bobby Byrd left James Brown, because he didn't feel that he was being properly compensated..and THREE TIMES, James asked him to come back.And, after he got out of prison, James requested that ALL of The Flames return...but they refused. That should tell you something.
Why don't you just accept that The Famous Flames are inducted,and that they deserved to be... and move on.
Life will go better for you.

Posted by Bill G on Saturday, 07.1.17 @ 01:21am


Dude, Bill G., you're more worked up about this than I was. I was just using it as a frame of reference, a similar example. It was one of four examples I used, and you jumped on this like it was the crux of what I was saying. I compared it to Cream, the Runaways, and Generation X, all to make a point regarding the American Breed.

I'm fine that the Famous Flames were inducted--James Brown as a solo artist was technically ineligible when he was inducted; honestly, if you'd led with that argument instead of saying "James Brown, ipso facto the Famous Flames," I'd have shrugged and said, "Okay, I guess." My point was I didn't accept them as being worthy simply because they launched James Brown's career, which was a point you kept ramming down my throat... that if it hadn't been for the Famous Flames, James Brown wouldn't have been a household name, ergo the Famous Flames were more deserving than Brown as a soloist. Brown as a soloist was Brown as a soloist, and the Famous Flames don't get to claim merit for that. Their work as a group is what should have been the only thing considered. And their Live At The Apollo album is the clincher for their merit as a group. And that's cool. But again, I mentioned it here merely as a reference point, and it isn't the button for me that it clearly is for you. Why don't you take your own advice and rest comfortably with the fact that the Famous Flames are inducted and stop trying to tilt every windmill that doesn't laud it as wholeheartedly as the induction of the O'Jays or Sly And The Family Stone?
Life will go better for you as well.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 07.2.17 @ 02:04am


Philip

I was giving insight to my statement.

Grassroot movement??? - vet your sources - you may be surprised by how many of the people out there are or were part of the non-com or non-com hand picked voting members

Think of the Stones in the right category (British Invasion) and you might get what I am talking about

AC vs Rock - Anne Murray is listed as Country

Vet nom com members - check their age for the period - mid twenties is when a person goes more for AC- they are or were involved with the business end - What they push is actually corporate and not what you think

American Breed's first record was a song written by Geffen King - it flopped - does that indicated they were no longer cutting edge?

You are not culturally grounded enough to know what age group was into which artist -n it is not just music style but also about our values and what were important subjects.

Don't go by what nom com says - look at what the artist say - especially check out Melanie and Janis Ian to see the type of garbage these guys pulled and how much control they had

That poll was about FAVORITE - everyone is entitled to their own tastes and the person who runs the site does get info from the artists themselves - you might find some interesting info from an alternate point of view

Chicago was one of the finalist for hall location
counting individuals that are from Chicago or spent a significant amount of time here you have several hundred in this time period.

I was talking about having influence already before being known on a larger scale but there are a few that were not known beyond local

Steve Goodman -okay he is known internationally by artist

The Exceptions - this will take tons of research - they are like a spider at the center of a web - their spin-off Aorta is credited with the first Christian rock but the Exceptiond did do Rock and Roll Mass

M & R Rush - they did open for and shared the stage with some big names - check out their website

Aliotta Haynes Jeremiah - Lake Shore Drive was a regional hit in several states - Fuzzy TV has a video of them performing other songs - Chicago's sphere of influence covers a population that is roughly the same size as Britain - I have seen support for several one hit wonders saying but there were big in England - So if that counts shouldn't same hold for Greater Chicagoland?

Herb Kent - the DJ who coined the term Dusties - look up his acheivements

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 07.7.17 @ 11:12am


Well that's one way to kill a conversation. Send it spiralling in multiple directions with vagueness in most of them, so that no one has any clue what you're trying to say.

Anne Murray was as much MOR as she was country. Described as "country-pop" at a time when the two worlds of country and MOR had about as much overlap as they ever had, it's about as fitting to call her one as the other.

Okay, so the poll is purely subjective, and really has no credibility.

And holy crap, no, "Greater Chicagoland" is not equivocal to the entire country of the United Kingdom. If that really requires an explanation, it's not worth giving one. Chicago may have been crucial in the American railway system, but that doesn't mean all roads lead to it.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 07.7.17 @ 22:24pm


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