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Inducted into Rock Hall Revisited in 2007 (ranked #140) .
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Merged dance with rock to form some sort of post-punk mix....they're more influential than most might realize. If Joy Division does not get a nomination, then at least New Order deserves one.
Posted by Ryan on Sunday, 10.29.06 @ 20:35pm
New Order was far more influential as Joy Division. You can still hear Ian Curtis in the sound of bands today (e.g., Interpol and She Wants Revenge).
Posted by George on Friday, 03.30.07 @ 21:00pm
That last comment made no sense as Ian wasn't in New Order, thus what you're saying is Joy Division was more influential.
Posted by Jeff on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 18:56pm
New Order is one of the most influential bands of the '80s. It made innovative music and merged post-punk with dance music. There are more popular bands, but New Order was so much more creative than the rest. Its music range was vast therefore you could name New Order in the same breath as Depeche Mode, the Pet Shop Boys, The Cure and The Smiths. Try to compare the Depeche Mode with The Smiths and you'll realize that you can't because their music is of different genre, but with New Order, anything alternative can be compared to. This is where you really see New Order's multiple dimensions.
Posted by Canuck21 on Wednesday, 07.25.07 @ 21:31pm
I'm not sure what got Get Ready to be the essential album, but I'd recommend 'Power, Corruption and Lies'
Posted by liam on Wednesday, 11.14.07 @ 12:22pm
Not too worried 'bout the 80s UK alernative groups. Alot of them get in these crappy Rolling Stone Mag best-of lists (albums, artists, songs etc.). The more popular groups getting in first is inevitable (ie The Police, Depeche Mode), but New Order, The Smiths and The Cure will all get in there...eventually.
Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.16.08 @ 08:59am
Liam...thanks again for that GREAT list of artists you provided...it improved my library on Rhapsody by over 200 songs and gave it a whole different feel...great stuff!!!
Posted by Terry on Sunday, 02.17.08 @ 11:15am
Very welcome, Terry!
Posted by Liam on Monday, 02.18.08 @ 07:46am
Liam ...had another song really get my attention on my playlist...it was called "Lorelei" by Cocteau Twins. I really like that group!!
Posted by Terry on Monday, 02.18.08 @ 20:08pm
is it ok to just induct their drug machines and programmed synthesizers instead since they most of the work?
Posted by bquest on Friday, 10.3.08 @ 15:07pm
oops....I meant "drum machines".
Posted by bquest on Friday, 10.3.08 @ 15:09pm
Joy Division Should, They Started the Post-Punk Genre, basically, and are on of the most influential artists in the history of Alternative Music. If the Pixies get in, then Joy Division Definitely should. (not that the pixies weren't an amazing band) New Order, well, not quite as influential, but still quite good. I Wouldn't be too upset if New Order doesn't get in, but i'll burn the hall down if Joy Division doesn't get in in the next 5 years.
Posted by Calzone on Thursday, 10.16.08 @ 12:53pm
An emphatic YES.
Posted by Jonas on Saturday, 11.29.08 @ 02:29am
I don't think New Order will be inducted, unless they treat it like a Parliament/Funkadelic situation with Joy Division. If they're inducted, the listing will read "Joy Division/New Order." They haven't gone out of their way to have a separate induction for Jefferson Starship, to differentiate that period from the Airplane days. I strongly suspect that the same fate will befall New Order, especially if Joy Division gets in on its own.
Posted by Philip on Saturday, 11.29.08 @ 03:10am
The recently botched "remasters"/deluxe editions of their back catalogue won't do them any favours.
Posted by Liam on Saturday, 11.29.08 @ 12:02pm
New Order should have been inducted in their first year of eligibility, as for the drum machine comment, New Order had and has a live drummer.
Posted by martin on Thursday, 01.15.09 @ 11:33am
If Roxy Music, New Order and the Smiths do not get in, CLOSE DOWN THE HALL.
Posted by M Rourke on Sunday, 05.3.09 @ 20:58pm
I'm coming onto New Order slowly. I'd heard of them for years without knowing it ("Temptation" is on a Q Compilation from 1998, and I have a hardfloor remix of "Blue Monday" among my mp3 files, but beyond that we don't have any.) However, those songs are really unique; sounds like they bridged the gap between electronic, rock and dance music, and I know at some point indie clubs and dance floors crossed over to each other, so they must've been partially responsible for that. They're one of the most talked about indie bands, so the influence is probably there. Ah, here we go, from Allmusic: "Rising from the ashes of the legendary British post-punk unit Joy Division, the enigmatic New Order triumphed over tragedy to emerge as one of the most influential and acclaimed bands of the 1980s; embracing the electronic textures and disco rhythms of the underground club culture many years in advance of its contemporaries, the group's pioneering fusion of new wave aesthetics and dance music successfully bridged the gap between the two worlds, creating a distinctively thoughtful and oblique brand of synth pop appealing equally to the mind, body, and soul." They should get in. They are critically succesful (especially in the U.K.) and made a couple of appearances on Rolling Stone's Greatest Albums, so they will probably make it. But how long?
Posted by Sam on Friday, 02.5.10 @ 11:40am
You gotta be more than influential - you gotta influence more GOOD music.
Posted by Craig Riecke on Friday, 02.12.10 @ 05:47am
It's possible that Madonna was influenced by them, though I don't know for sure. Okay, discard my last comment. I have now listened to enough of New Order to get a feel for their sound, and I can say: Absolutely they should be in. What were they? It's tough to say. Their MySpace page says "New Wave/Alternative/Indie." Whatever they were, they were a great band who fused indie, dance music, disco and synth-pop into something that sounded like nobody else. And who can say that them funding the Hacienda doesn't qualify as Perpetuation/Impact? They and Joy Division had completely different sounds, so they should get seperate inductions, which the UK Hall failed to recognize (facepalm.)
Posted by Sam on Thursday, 04.1.10 @ 17:13pm
New Order really should be a lock, but chances are they won't be. There is no other band like them in the Hall, and the urgency to induct them doesn't seem to exist. www.notinhalloffame.com has them at #5 on their list to get in. What of a combined New ORder/Joy Division entry as a possibility?
Posted by The_Avenger on Friday, 04.16.10 @ 22:37pm
You're right, they should be in easily. Critics love them, so I feel confident that they'd be voted in if nominated, and Rolling Stone had them in their Greatest Albums list, which makes it strange that they've gone four years without even being considered. I guess I could deal with a joint induction, but I'd rather there wasn't one. They are both completely different bands, and are both no-brainer inductions. I actually think that a joint induction might be the only chance for Joy Division to get in; critics love them (especially in the UK), but at the moment I'd say that their limited output, combined with no urgency to induct them yet (not even considered since 2003) and a complete lack of any kind of Stateside success will lock them out. I could see New Order slipping in eventually due to some likely weak classes in the future (though a complete lack of disco or dance music of any kind in the Hall hurts their chances), but yes, a Joy Division/New Order joint induction might be the best case scenario. I'm just embarassed that the UK Hall of Fame felt that kind of joint induction was necessary; we should know better than that.
Posted by Sam on Monday, 04.19.10 @ 18:41pm
Chalk up another point for innovation. I'm watching my second Factory Records documentary today, and when "Blue Monday" was a hit (ironically they lost money every time it sold because the sleeve was so expensive), they became the first band that refused to mime on Top of the Pops. Not to mention the fact that their sales kept Factory afloat (which also gives bonus points to Joy Division, as it was them who got Factory going), and also they were co-owners of the Hacienda (and most of their royalties went into there), which for those who don't know was a highly influential club for pushing house music to a wider audience. It was to England what the acid house, disco and underground rap clubs were to New York in the late 70's/early 80's. I'm a bit concerned that they've gone four years without even being considered, but the classes will only get weaker from here most likely, so I could see them making it eventually. Joy Division also deserves it, but they did literally nothing in the US and have been ignored for seven years, so their window is probably shut. A joint induction might be the best way to go.
Posted by Sam on Friday, 05.7.10 @ 20:33pm
On Madonna and New Order...
Posted by Elastic Man on Sunday, 06.13.10 @ 05:42am
The U.K. Music Hall of Fame inducted them as Joy Division/New Order a few years ago! I doubt The Rock Hall will play that game.
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 11:14am
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 11:19am
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 11:42am
Bernard Albrecht and Bernard Sumner are the same person.
Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 16:25pm
I agree Roy. Seperate inductions. Of course, it's more likely the clowns that run the Hall will either just induct New Order or, most likely, ignore both, especially since both bands have gone without even being considered. Criminal.
Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 19:49pm
The U.K. Music Hall of Fame inducted them as Joy Division/New Order a few years ago! I doubt The Rock Hall will play that game.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 07.15.10 @ 09:12am
Joy Division/New Order inductees
Posted by Roy on Friday, 07.16.10 @ 15:36pm
There is a possibility they will be inducted as Joy Division/New Order.
Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.19.10 @ 08:53am
A-HA! It's been done before, and this indeed will be the case for Joy Division and New Order. The group Parliament, who changed its name to Funkadelic, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as Parliament-Funkadelic and they had 16 members inducted, the most of any group in the Rock Hall. So Joy Division and New Order will be inducted as Joy Division-New Order or Joy Division/New Order, and they will have 7 inductees.
Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.19.10 @ 12:20pm
A-HA! It's been done before, and this indeed will be the case for Joy Division and New Order. The group Parliament, who changed its name to Funkadelic, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as Parliament-Funkadelic and they had 16 members inducted, the most of any group in the Rock Hall. So Joy Division and New Order will be inducted as Joy Division-New Order or Joy Division/New Order, and they will have 7 inductees. They were inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame as Joy Division/New Order a few years ago. When they get nominated/inducted into the Rock Hall, their pages and the comments on Future Rock Rock Legends will have to be merged into one page.
Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.19.10 @ 13:12pm
Parliament - 9 Studio Albums
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 07.25.10 @ 12:04pm
Joy Division members only
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 07.25.10 @ 12:43pm
Posted by Roy on Friday, 07.30.10 @ 11:29am
I've thought of the reasons why they've been snubbed so far. One, the lack of significant impact in the US (no, I'm not referring to artistic impact, I'm talking about commercial impact.) Not that many hits, one platinum album, two gold albums, and they don't get much airplay these days. Two, the ceremony itself. Even if they did show up (it would be questionable whether even one of them would show due to some of their influences being snubbed, much less whether any of them would feel it worth their time to come from England to New York or Cleveland just for that), how many people would tune in to watch them give their speeches? Which goes back to problem #1. Three, the performance. Since they're split, Gillian's retired, and Peter's not on speaking terms with Steven and Bernard, someone would have to stand in for them in the performance, and I'm sure Jann and co. wouldn't know who would be best for the job. Four, the two-band thing. They probably don't know whether to do a joint Joy Division/New Order induction or induct them seperately. It doesn't excuse the fact that JD and NO have both been snubbed, and it's absurd that neither have of them have been considered, that's just the situation as I see it.
Posted by Sam on Friday, 08.6.10 @ 21:04pm
Easy inductee, but with just 2 Joy Division two studio albums, the fact that key members like Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris, and Peter Hook in both bands until New Order broke up last year, a "New Order/Joy Division" entry is most likely. Moreover, with New Order's 1987 album "Substance" including two songs from Ian Curtis and live performances by New Order, continuing up to Buenos Aires a few years back, a "joint" entry is even more likely.
Posted by Adam Piergallini on Tuesday, 08.10.10 @ 02:07am
I was with you all the way at first Adam, even though you forgot the feud is actually Hooky vs. Bernard and Steven (monetary issues), and the idea that JD and NO are the single most influential musical collective is dubious at best, but in spite of those issues I was able to keep going because you are a fellow fan and I agreed with what your general point. But then you had to argue against Sabbath and Genesis being inducted (the latter was a highly influential art-rock and prog outfit fronted by Peter Gabriel long before Phil Collins even thought about being a singer), and you blew most of your credibility right there. Sorry. You could've picked Percy Sledge... or Paul McCartney solo... or pointed out that Eric Clapton solo made some really crappy songs... but no, instead you had to pick on two bands who should've been inducted long before they got their due (facepalm.)
Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 08.11.10 @ 20:20pm
They were inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame as Joy Division/New Order in 2005. Induction speech by actor John Simm. Joy Division/New Order performed Regret and Love Will Tear Us Apart.
Posted by Roy on Thursday, 08.19.10 @ 13:28pm
Let's not forget that same Hall inducted Bon Jovi and Robbie Williams. Plus, they were together at that point, and it wasn't that far to travel to. The fact that they're disbanded and Peter Hook's estranged from them eliminates any chance of a band performance (and in New Order's case Gillian's retired), and if you think they're going to go across the Atlantic just for the ceremony then clearly, for you, "Everything's Gone Green" (or are you losing it because your brain's going "Round and Round"?) It takes some "True Faith" to think they have a legitimate shot; perhaps some people need to be "Touched By the Hand of God" (bad puns, I know.)
Posted by Sam on Sunday, 08.22.10 @ 15:30pm
(bad puns, I know.)
Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 08.22.10 @ 15:48pm
It's been done before, and this indeed will be the case for Joy Division and New Order. The group Parliament, who changed its name to Funkadelic, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as Parliament-Funkadelic and they had 16 members inducted, the most of any group in the Rock Hall. So Joy Division and New Order will be inducted as Joy Division-New Order or Joy Division/New Order, and they will have 7 inductees.
Posted by Roy on Friday, 09.17.10 @ 04:30am
New Order had 8 studio albums. If it was the only chance Joy Division had of being represented I'd be fine with a joint induction, but anyone who really knows both bands will know that it would be most fair to treat them seperately.
Posted by Sam on Sunday, 09.19.10 @ 10:04am
Posted by Adam Piergallini on Saturday, 10.16.10 @ 02:51am
Posted by Adam Piergallini on Saturday, 10.16.10 @ 02:54am
Truth well spoken. Since you mentioned The Killers, they display a clear debt to NO. Actually, the influence of both Joy Division and New Order is apparently clearly displayed in the whole new wave/post-punk revival, which has been going on for 10 years or so, and The Killers are the most popular band to come out of that. Would the dance-rock experiements by their fellow Mancunians Happy Mondays and The Stone Roses have reached any kind of audience without New Order? Actually, would they have thought to do it without them? Probably not. I haven't even discussed the cultural and musical significance of the Hacienda yet. Apparently the band Bloc Party has cited NO and JD as key influences; I believe I read an interview with them where they said that, with their bassist saying Hooky was the reason he started playing. Unfortunately, I just looked for it and can't find it, but I'll make up for it with a proper analysis.
Posted by Sam on Thursday, 10.21.10 @ 10:35am
On further review, it turns out that some people not connected to any surviving members of the Joy Division or New Order family are responsible for the Unknown Pleasures shoes, Joy Division oven gloves or T-shirts, rare Martin Hannett tapes or anything else designed to make a quick bit of money off of the memory of anything Ian Curtis related, and apparently Hook himself has complained about it. My apologies for jumping to conclusions.
Posted by Sam on Thursday, 10.21.10 @ 12:41pm
Live interview with Joy Division/New Order co-founder Peter Hook
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 03:46am
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 10:05am
Steve Howe did an event at the Hall the past May, and that didn't get Yes a nomination, did it?
Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 10:56am
Legends Series Featuring Joy Division/New Order Co-Founder Peter Hook
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 21:25pm
Seeing how the Rock Hall referred to them Joy Division/New Order when announcing that Peter Hook would be visiting the museum, it seems likely that that is how they will be inducted: Joy Division/New Order. That's how they were inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame.
Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.3.10 @ 08:32am
If I was able to pick the nominations next year I'd nominate Joy Division and see what happens. Here's how it went with the UK Music Hall of Fame: The music industry people and journalists decided things inducted in 2004 (the first year): Elvis to represent the 50's, The Beatles to represent the 60's, Bob Marley to represent the 70's, Madonna to represent the 80's and U2 to represent the 90's. They then nominated ten 50's acts, ten 60's acts, ten 70's acts, ten 80's acts and ten 90's acts and asked the public to vote for one per decade. Joy Division was one of the 80's acts nominated, but lost to Michael Jackson. The other eight 80's nominees: George Michael, Guns N' Roses, Beasties Boys, Bruce Springsteen, The Smiths, R.E.M., Public Enemy and Prince. The following year, the 60 music industry inducted Joy Division and New Order as a joint entity, after their attempt to induct Joy Division on their own failed.
Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 12.8.10 @ 05:34am
I should add that New Order, in my opinion, won't get in until the Hall gets their heads out their asses and inducts Depeche Mode and The Cure, both more popular bands. That will happen eventually, I know it, but it looks like it's going to take awhile. Once they're in, Coldplay's in, Radiohead's in, Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden and Oasis are all in, then the Hall will look stupid. Oh, and induct Kraftwerk next year please, so that NO, DM and Nine Inch Nails and the like can go in with a clear conscience.
Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 12.8.10 @ 05:41am
I meant the Hall will look stupid for not inducting New Order and Joy Division, and I think all the bands I listed will get in first at the rate we're going. Possibly The Smiths as well.
Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 01.5.11 @ 16:00pm
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 01.16.11 @ 07:08am
Bernard's Rock Hall Trophy will read:
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 01.16.11 @ 07:26am
15 out of the 16 inductees were members of both Parliament and Funkadelic. Glenn Lamont Goins was only a member of Parliament. I wonder if his trophy read Parliament-Funkadelic or just Parliament.
Posted by Roy on Friday, 01.21.11 @ 04:06am
Favorite NO song Roy?
Posted by Sam on Friday, 01.21.11 @ 12:33pm
Posted by Roy on Friday, 01.21.11 @ 20:42pm
JOINT INDUCTIONS: What Was/What Should Have Been/And What Will Be
Posted by Roy on Saturday, 01.28.12 @ 06:40am
A-HA! It's a sign!
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 01.29.12 @ 08:19am
THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.13.12 @ 22:03pm
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Posted by Roy on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 21:22pm
hahaha what a joke that this band isn't in the hall. They're on a different level even compared to some of the groups that are already in...just goes to show that the hall is meaningless, which makes this post less than worthless. But there you go.
Posted by Wil on Wednesday, 11.28.12 @ 19:22pm
Not before JOY DIVISION!!!!
Posted by BulmaPunkRocker on Sunday, 07.6.14 @ 22:56pm
Favorite band of all time. Pretty much single-handedly taught me how to write music. Fantastic albums with incredible consistency in their '80s albums. Perfect Kiss (extended version) is my favorite song of all time. I believe both will enter the HOF, but like others have said this "HOF" is absolutely worthless and holds no merit to me. In other words, I could care less. I believe both bands should be inducted separately bc of their different genres and the different paths both bands created. Both Joy Division and New Order were incredibly influential within rock. I really can't say enough about this band.
Posted by American on Tuesday, 02.24.15 @ 23:26pm
They should be inducted as Joy Division/New Order
Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04.10.16 @ 09:37am
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 08.30.16 @ 21:20pm
Given the personnel overlap they should induct New Order and Joy Division as one group of performers and recognize the collective work as worthy.
Posted by William on Friday, 12.30.16 @ 13:51pm
Should be nominated and inducted as Joy Division/New Order.
Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.10.17 @ 04:47am
A no-brainer - they need to be in the Hall!
Posted by Tim on Saturday, 01.21.17 @ 11:54am
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