Kansas

Not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Eligible since: 1999 (The 2000 Induction Ceremony)

Previously Considered? No  what's this?


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Point of Know Return (1978)

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Carry On Wayward Son (1976)
Dust In The Wind (1977)
Point of Know Return (1977)

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Will Kansas be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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The absolute worst progressive had to offer. If they make it I will bash your face in. That's right, you. Right there.

Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 11.21.06 @ 15:11pm


You obviously fail to understand the contributions Kansas made to progressive rock. Whether you like them or not is irrelevant, because it's undeniable that Kansas was a groundbreaking band, in its early years, with Kerry Livgren's orchestral style of music composition. The majority of each song is instrumental, yet the lyrics are important. Kansas has a high standard for quality of sound, and also features intricate violin, guitar, and synthesized parts to create a very complex sound. You can bash my face in, when they are inducted, because I really don't care.

Posted by Thomas on Tuesday, 01.16.07 @ 14:23pm


Nothing Kansas did was groundbreaking at all. The orchestral style of composition was already a common theme aross prog, in fact Emerson Lake and Palmer often went as far as to completely adapt classical pieces (Fanfare for the Common Man, Pictures at an Exhibition, 1812 Overture live at the Isle of WIght). Kansas came in three years after Pictures at an Exhibition and six years after In The Court of the Crimson King. The other things you list are things that are taken for granted in prog in general and were pioneered that bands that came before Kansas. Also, there's nothing complex about the three-note guitar line and endless banalities of "Dust In The Wind."

Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 01.17.07 @ 10:04am


From Wikipedia:

Continued influence

With classic rock continuing to be a strong genre of music, Kansas' influence has continued to inspire bands. There have been covers of "Carry On Wayward Son" by bands such as Rachel Rachel and Critical Mass as well as continuing appearances on album soundtracks such as the movies Heroes and Anchorman. Even country superstars The Oak Ridge Boys have weighed in with a cover. Also progressive metal Vanden Plas has covered Kansas, by making a somewhat heavier cover of "Point of Know Return." "Dust in the Wind" has been covered by Christian artists Billy Smiley and Acappella and by New York Yankees center fielder and aspiring jazz guitarist Bernie Williams on his 2004 debut album The Journey Within.

"Carry On Wayward Son" is also featured in Guitar Hero II. It is an encore song in the setlist.

The band's biggest single, "Dust in the Wind," has gained some recent acclaim, being used in "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure", a Subaru commercial, and in the film Old School. It was also prominantly featured in several episodes of the television series "Highlander". The single was certified Gold as a digital download by the RIAA in 2005, almost 30 years after it sold 1 million copies as a single.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 01.26.07 @ 21:28pm


Kansas? Really? Consider me solidly against any band named after U.S. states and cities; Boston, Chicago and Kansas just aren't good enough.

In 10th grade literature class, my hippie teacher had the class do an assignment where we would listen to classic rock songs and try to decipher the lyrics. Anyway, he played "Carry on Wayward Son," and being, like, 15, I thought it was pretty cool.

I bought the greatest hits, and really, it should have been called "greatest hit." Wayward Son is literally the only good song they had!

I just gave that CD away after a friend said he like Wayward Son on Guitar Hero or whatever.

Even "Dust in the Wind" has become a joke; I think Will Ferrell was laughing at, not with the guys when he sang it in Old School.

The best of the best only! This is not Kansas!

Posted by Matt on Friday, 01.26.07 @ 22:13pm


I always thought Point of Know Return was the closest they got to listenable, despite the godawful and senseless pun in the title.

But yeah, the Old School reference to Dust in the Wind is clearly a mocking one, not a loving one. Not that pop culture references have anything to do with induction anyway.

YOU MY BOY BLUE!

Posted by Kit on Friday, 01.26.07 @ 22:27pm


I always thought Point of Know Return was the closest they got to listenable, despite the godawful and senseless pun in the title.

But yeah, the Old School reference to Dust in the Wind is clearly a mocking one, not a loving one. Not that pop culture references have anything to do with induction anyway.

YOU MY BOY BLUE!

Posted by Kit on Friday, 01.26.07 @ 22:27pm


Kansas RULES!! Kit is a peice of Shit! Listen to early Kansas and try and figure out 1 reason why they are so under rated! They had a decent amount of hits, albums sold, and whatever. Their claim to fame is their MUSICIANSHIP though! Unfortunately that doesn't get looked at too much among critics! Bottom line is that anyone who doesn't realize that Kansas are among the best in Musicianship and Originality is Ignorant and a good chance that they might be mildly Retarded!

Posted by BA on Thursday, 02.1.07 @ 13:42pm


I think naming other prog bands that not only predate Kansas but also trump them in originality and musicianship makes his arguments a bit more solid than the old "If you don't like this band you're just stupid" cliché you're using there.

Posted by William on Thursday, 02.1.07 @ 20:07pm


In fairness, it has been a week since I showered last, so I may indeed smell like shit. That doesn't change the fact that Kansas is not original and their musicanship is nothing special when compared to the other prog giants.

Posted by Kit on Thursday, 02.1.07 @ 20:17pm


Release dates are not subject to opinion.

Posted by Kit on Friday, 02.23.07 @ 18:27pm


Kansas may not be of caliber for HOF, but to say they suck is a joke. They were a very big band at that time and sold millions of records. Their lyrics are truly inspirational and have always made me think and take perspective on my own life. Cannot say that for too many other bands from back then or today (i.e. see Brittany Spears).

As for Kit, it is not surprising that a soulless person of his character does not resonate with the lyrics - not at all surprising. When I think of Kit, this comes to mind:

"Masquerading as a man with a reason
My charade is the event of the season."

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 03.14.07 @ 12:46pm


BTW, Kit since you are an "expert" on lyrics - can we see lyrics you have written? Let me guess, you have none. "Those that cannot do, criticize."

I guess all that we have is your senseless drivel in your "critiques" and "insights" into why bands should or should not be in the hall??

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 03.15.07 @ 09:47am


THIS GROUP SHOULD DEFINITLY BE VOTED IN . THIS VOTE SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO MUSICIANS .THIS WAY IT TRULY IS ON THE MERITS OF WRITING AND PERFORMACE BY SKILLED MUSICIANS IT, IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED THAT EVERY HUMAN BORN TAKE A COURSE ON SOME INSTRUMENT TO EVEN FATHOM THE WORK AND DEDICATION IT TAKES TO MASTER AN INSTUMENT AND THE DEPTH AND SKILL AND IMAGINATION TO COMPOSE A PIECE OF MUSIC .I REALY FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE LIKE -KIT- WHO REALLY ARE LIMITED IN THEIR SCOPE OF WHAT MUSIC IS REALLY ABOUT.SO KIT DO US ALL A FAVOR DONT VOTE ANYMORE TAKE UP A NEW ENDEVOR ,SPORTS,READING ,ART,CIGAR AFFECTIONADO,COMIC BOOKS SOMETHING JUST STAY AWAY MUSIC CRITIC IT DOSENT BE COME YOU!!!!!!

Posted by DON on Friday, 03.16.07 @ 14:47pm


"...If they make it I will bash your face in. That's right, you. Right there."

"Bash your face in"...A bit on the hostile side? Calm down...its just music......and very good music for that matter...

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 11:01am


Your obsession with me is a little disturbing to be honest. Might wanna turn it down a notch. You've got to hide your love away, Anon.

Posted by Kit on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 14:08pm


You find me disturbing???? Was that before or after you bashed someone's face in?

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 03.22.07 @ 18:09pm


if technical ability automaticly gave one the ability to write good songs than maybe KIng Crimson or ELP might have been more substantial in thier time. Yes managed to do this on occasion and Kansas more so than others. I put alot more merit to playing with feeling than being technical. Bruford and Palmer are great technical players but they over rudimentary and sound mechanical as opposed to Ehart who puts personality and emotion in his playing.

Posted by Dude on Saturday, 03.31.07 @ 23:48pm


First a couple qualifiers. 1. Kansas is my favorite band. 2. I have never heard of some of the bands who are already HOFers (The Inkspots?).

Frankly, taking a look at the list of bands, I am not actually sure that Kansas belongs here. They might be in another category, not better or worse, but different. I will simply say that while I have not made up my own mind, they do have many great qualities that favor them.

While the comparison to ELP is appropriate I suppose, it should be noted that, with the release of early Kansas recordings (Proto-Kaw)going back to '71, one can see that Kerry Livgren's claim to be a contemporary of the British prog bands and not deriviative of them is defensible. I have to agree that ELP was creative, but Kansas was creative and listenable, a key distinction. Kerry Livgren's compositions were about more than showing off technical prowess; they communicated emotion, thought, and passion in the manner of the best art. His lyrics, while sometimes trite, were more often transcendent. While they were firmly in the progressive rock movement in some respects (complicated movements, competing melodies, long songs) they also combined a purely American strain of a love for blues based rock into their symphonic ambitions that none of the big British units even tried to pull off.

Also, Kansas vocals were unparalleled. Steve Walsh soaring tenor, coupled with the inventive lower harmonies of Robby Steinhardt, created magic impossible to duplicate. To quote the master, Steve's high notes were crisp, clear and never ending. And, as for musicianship, what could they not play? While they did not have the fastest guitar tweedler in the land (except when they had Steve Morse) they did have possibly the best keyboardist. In fact, between Phil Ehart on drums and Steve Walsh on keys, they may have had the most underappreciated masters on their respective instruments. Few who have not tried to play what Steve Walsh is playing understand how difficult it is. Often he plays two intricate, contrasting key lines while singing. I realize Livgren also played keys for them, but even he conceded that Walsh was the more adept keyboardist. And Ehart's magic is caught almost more in what he does not do rather than what he does. He learned to accompany extremely complicated tracks, highlighting them but not overpowering them. They were truly extraordinary at their height.

But Kansas was were epic. They were grand. They espoused a heroic vision of man, both musically and lyrically. Some are riled by this, preferring the street level protest of punk or the slinky sophistication of soul. And that's ok. But I do like to soar. The rest of you who think it is just pretentious are lesser for it, I believe. I am happy to leave you Earth bound while I am borne on the winds of Kansas.

Posted by patrick the rogue on Wednesday, 04.4.07 @ 21:57pm


Simply put, if Blondie can get voted in then Kansas should have a whole wing devoted to them....heck, the garage band playing AC/DC covers across the street from me should get voted in if Blondie can make it. Carry On Kansas!!!

Posted by Brian on Tuesday, 04.10.07 @ 17:41pm


Anon says: "Bash your face in"...A bit on the hostile side? Calm down...its just music......and very good music for that matter...

farcical [ˈfaːsikəl] adjective

completely ridiculous, and therefore usually humorous

Do you still believe Spinal Tap was a real documentary too, moron?

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 22:19pm


"Do you still believe Spinal Tap was a real documentary too, moron?"

What??....Actually, I never even mentioned Spinal Tap in my posts. Try to stay focused...

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 05.13.07 @ 07:17am


"What??....Actually, I never even mentioned Spinal Tap in my posts. Try to stay focused."

Wow. Did you have your sense of humor surgically removed, or was it lost in some sort of industrial accident?

Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 09:08am


Newsflash..it really was not funny at all, as they say - keep your day job. For true funny, go to Huey Lewis Blog

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 18:21pm


Plus, how can I think anything you say towards me is funny? On one post, you joked about the Def Lepard guy losing his arm. Then you joked about how it would be funny if I "lost my head." IDK, call me crazy, you just seem a bit weak in the comedic sense

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 18:24pm


"IDK, call me crazy" Crazy.
" how can I think anything you say towards me is funny?"
Since you have a bloody stump where a sense of humor is normally attached - you can't.
"you just seem a bit weak in the comedic sense"
That hurts... deeply. This from one who finds it necessary to place the parenthesized "(note sarcasm)" at the end of many of his zingers.
"Then you joked about how it would be funny if I "lost my head."
Yes. I still maintain that a decapitated Rush monkey is HEE-larious.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.15.07 @ 09:50am


Shawn...you need serious help...and you take this music thing just a bit too serious

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 05.15.07 @ 17:47pm


And, what is funny is at the Huey Lewis blog - you know the fact that you do not know how to speak and write English...that is bloody funny... (Note lack of sarcasm)

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 05.15.07 @ 17:51pm


THAT's why you keep advertising the Huey Lewis page??? Because I mispelled a word?? That's your newest wiffle bat?? Ha-hah-ha-ha-ha!! Oh man....

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 05.16.07 @ 08:52am


Nice try - that was not a misspelling. That was the inappropriate usage of a word. It was not misspelled - you just did not know the proper usage of the word cites vs. sites.

You know sort of like the made up word on the Meatloaf site - POLARLY - such a word does not exist. Your exposing yourself....it it is not looking good :-)

Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 05.16.07 @ 14:24pm


See, even I am a dumb ass..."Your" should have been "You're"! C'mon lighten up dumb ass....:-)

Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 05.16.07 @ 14:26pm


"That was the inappropriate usage of a word. It was not misspelled...You know sort of like the made up word on the Meatloaf site - POLARLY - such a word does not exist."

Wooooo! Look at you go, boy! You're a Cracker Jack proofreader, you are! Caught me missing the "i" on the keyboard one one word,and in a tired moment slippin' up on my homophones. How humiliating for me!
I'll bet if you scour all my posts real hard you'll even unearth the improper use of a semicolon somewhere, Deputy Dictionary.
:) :) :) :) :)

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 05.17.07 @ 00:47am


I really don't understand all the hostility toward this Band.
Kansas is and was a Great Band and really are in their own category. Unlike the British Prog bands that came before– These guys really Rock. King Krimson, ELP, etc. ( which I like, by the way and are deserving to get in the Hall), are really just Art Rock. Alot of Art and very little rock. Kansas has been criticized by critics for being pretentious. Like all the Brit Prog bands weren't?Early Genesis and Yes are extremely pretentious and bombastic . I love Gabriel era Genesis, but some of the words that Peter Gabriel sang were just plain goofy. Kansas may or may not be Groudbreaking music as you may define it, but they had their own sound that was destinctly Kansas ( Love it or hate it..inwhich millions loved it). And many, many bands that already are in were not groundbreaking. Let's be honest here– Blondie-Groundbreaking ......not exactly. One of the Hall voters just has a boner for Ms. Harry. That is Style over substance people, plain and simple. Look at Aerosmith for a minute. I love Aerosmith, but they owe alot to the Stones among others. All bands take are influenced by the bands that came before them, that is a fact that can't be ignored. Let us define Groundbreaking shall we....To do something in music that has never been done before & influences later acts. I guess a band could come up with a new form of music in which they fart into the microphone. That would be Groundbreaking, completely unlistenable, but Groundbreaking none the less. Should this flatulant band get in the hall? Considering some of the acts that are currently being considered, I'd say they would have a very good chance.
Beastie Boys....Seriously? Can these guys even play ther own instruments? Twenty years from now you'll still be hearing Wayward Son or Dust in the Wind on the radio because these songs are timeless. You got to Fight for Your Right To Partaaaaaaay! Is that a classic? Is that timeless? ....Yeah right.
Kansas is a musicians band. They are on the Rock Walk Hall of fame in California which is awarded to a band for their musical influence on future bands. Say what you want about them, but they are highly respected by many professional musicians, past and present. As far as I'm concerned , the opinion of a musician who knows what it means to create music carries alot more impact than some music critic with a vote to cast.
And one other thing, Kit, and you other guys out there in cyberspace– Why don't you knock off this juvenile dialogue....it's really makes you guys look immature. Your going to bash my face in if Kansas makes the Hall? Really now? There is no chance of that happening anyway.......Sheryll Crowe will get in long before Kansas, ELP, King Krimson, Genesis or Rush get in. Why don't you make good use of your time and go bash her fans faces in.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 10.2.07 @ 13:31pm


King Crimson weren't "rock" enough? Ever try Red, Cat Food, 21st Century Schizoid Man, Pictures of a City, or Heartbeat?

Posted by William on Tuesday, 10.2.07 @ 13:47pm


Obviously I'm not an expert on the music of King Crimson. The albums I'm most aware of are Red and In the Court of the Crimson King. If I remember correctly- John Wetton sang on Red and Greg Lake on King. I agree with you–21st Century Schizoid man does kick butt, especially for it's time. Kerry Livgren main writer for Kansas has stated that Early King Crimson was an influence on his music, along with the Beatles & Yes among others. It's just my opinion, but I just think overall Kansas had harder rocking pieces than most of the British Prog rockers did. Two words come to mind: "Magnum Opus". What I believe made Kansas unique among the bands of their day was that they were basically a bar band that combined jazz,blues,progressive and hard rock together with a little country fiddle thrown in for good measure. A Progressive rock band with a distinct American flavor which I guess some fans of British prog rock don't really care for, even though Steve Hackett of Genesis liked Kansas' music enough to invited both Phil Ehart and Steve Walsh of Kansas to play & sing on his second solo effort "Please Don't Touch". Like I said before....Kansas has the respect of many of their contemporaries.
That being said, I do think Bands like King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, ELP, should be nominated and get into the Hall before Kansas–not just because they are necessarily more deserving, but because they preceded them, (paved the way so to speak). Whether they did it better or not is really just an opinion anyway.
The Hall of Fame is such a joke to ignore progressive rock. It was a big part of the rock and roll scene of the sixties and seventies.
Its sad to think of but I bet you Britney Spears will get into the hall before any of the above mentioned bands do.

Posted by Tim on Tuesday, 10.2.07 @ 23:12pm


The Absolute Best progressive had to offer. If they don't make it I'll bash your face in. Yeah you. Right there.

Posted by Wheathead on Monday, 10.8.07 @ 12:22pm


Stay Out of Trouble !!!

Posted by Joe-Skee on Monday, 10.8.07 @ 15:04pm


I am a fan of Kansas.I think that if a band is entering the hall of fame by it's quality the kansas should be alredy in.Altough Kansas are not the most impressive bands on stage they have offered in rock n roll more than the most artists ho are already into the hall of fame.Please vote yes for Kansas.

Posted by C.Z.K. on Tuesday, 03.25.08 @ 12:55pm


If you think Kansas did'nt match up to ELP (who I love) you have obviously never listened to Magnum Opus a original composition ELP did wonderful interpretations.

Posted by aaggorp on Wednesday, 04.23.08 @ 20:49pm


As I told before I am a fan of Kansas, aslo I woyld like to say that I am from Greece, so please don't misunderstand me for my bad writing.

Many people, wrote to this site and said that Kansas don't worth to be inducted in the Hall of fame,which is an idea I absolutely disagree with,because when I listen to Kansas songs I just say "this music is the best I've ever heard".Other people say Kansas is a bad band,because it has this breeding music and is not the music everyone used to listen from bands such as Whitesnake,Deep Purple,Scorpions,Beatles which is a music which is going in the same way and style,I mean when you listen a part of a song of this bands you just know what will come nothing changes,that's why I believe bands such as Kansas and Kiss are better than the others.One last thing,I would like to add is my complainment for the fact that many people see Kansas on stage and say they are not powerful and I ask all of you.Why Kansas should very impressing on stage?

Thank you for wasting your time reading my e-mail.
Best Wishes to all of you
Chris

Posted by C.Z.K. on Tuesday, 07.1.08 @ 09:30am


KANSAS RULES.

EME MAZI SOU!!!!

Posted by Big Malaka on Wednesday, 07.23.08 @ 09:26am


Big Malaka , εισαι ελληνας;

Posted by C.Z.K. on Tuesday, 08.5.08 @ 01:09am


I wander why anyone sould belive that kansas will be
inducted into the hall. They simply can NOT. If you dont know bands far far better than kansas are ignored for many years.You want an example: deep purple , kiss , bon jovi , scorpions , iron maiden ,
metallica , whitesnake and many more. Everyone knows dust in the wind but nothing more.

Posted by Big Rocker on Thursday, 08.14.08 @ 00:53am


I think that dust in the wind is a very good song ,but not their best there are other songs much better than dust like wheels,icarus 2 and hold on it is just that dust in the wind is famous .I told than to many friends of mine who don't know kansas and said that i don't like dust because everyone likes it,but they haven't heard an other Kansas song to compare .Dust in the wind was created in the first years of kansas 4 or 5 years later after theform of kansas.These other songs are after 1980 and 1990 when they reformed with Steve Walsh again as a singer.They weren't popular or famous then , so these songs didn't go very well and they didn;t become famous although they deserved it. Sorry for my writting i am from greece and i don't know very good english.
Kansas once again.

Posted by C.Z.K. on Sunday, 08.31.08 @ 05:18am


"Kansas? Really? Consider me solidly against any band named after U.S. states and cities; Boston, Chicago and Kansas just aren't good enough."

Matt, i want to know exactly what you have against Hannah Montana. Right now.

But seriously, I was willing to give Kansas the benefit of the doubt until they appeared at a free concert earlier this month. Then they went through their set, which had three genuine hits--Point of Know Return, Carry On Wayward Son, and Dust in the Wind--and one other song I (kinda sorta) recognized (whose title I cannot remember now, when I need it). The rest was covers from the Beatles or other bands (which will not be heard outside this tour), or songs on some much-delayed new album.

Sorry, but popular now or no (know?), I doubt that Kansas was progressive enough to make the hall. Just my opinion.

Posted by Joe on Sunday, 08.31.08 @ 19:59pm


To the contrary, Kansas is TOO progressive to make the hall.

Posted by joker on Sunday, 08.31.08 @ 22:40pm


Come on what is wheels and icarus 2? do they really exsist as songs or they are just in your fantasy? Everyone knows Kansas for dust in the wind. OK?
Why you cant accept it? Of corse dust is a well known song but from those who know it only the 55% know that its kansa's since a lot of artist have performed it. So why should they enter the fame as long as they have only one song and there are many people that think that its someone's else.
And the most important...
THEY CANT ROCK LIKE A HURRICANE!

Posted by LAKIS on Sunday, 09.14.08 @ 15:04pm


KANSAS IS THE BEST BAND EVER.END I RECCOMEN EVERYONE WHO THINKS THAT THERE IS ONLY DUST IN THE WIND TO GO DEEPLY IN KANSAS DISCOGRAPHY AND FIND SOME VERY GOOD SONGS WHICH ARE NOT FAMOUS

Posted by C.Z.K. on Tuesday, 11.4.08 @ 16:35pm


These riff-thieves shouldn't be inducted until after Journey is. How they could steal a riff from a then-fledgling, struggling band is impardonable

Posted by gabatxo on Friday, 07.3.09 @ 02:33am


Whar riffs are you talking about??? I don't recall them ripping anyone off...please elaborate...

Posted by Gitarzan on Friday, 07.3.09 @ 07:20am


"If you dont know bands far far better than kansas are ignored for many years.You want an example: deep purple , kiss , bon jovi , scorpions , iron maiden ,
metallica , whitesnake and many more. Everyone knows dust in the wind but nothing more."

bon jovi is awful..

Posted by jokerisafagot on Sunday, 03.14.10 @ 18:38pm


I at first, knew 2 songs by Kansas. You guessed it, Carry On Wayward Son, and Dust In The Wind. And I thought, alright, not bad. Fairly good songs, although they can get stale after a while.

Boredom and the wonder/abomination of wikipedia led me to find out the Wayward Son was actually sequel to another song, The Pinnacle. I listened to it, and I've been hooked ever since.

The musical ability of Kansas can't be judged by Dust and Wayward Son. They were okay songs but were loved by the radio because they were very accessible and not as "progressive" as some of their other works (as we should all know, the radio is not a good judge of musical talet). Wayward Son, actually, was written and recorded at the last minute. Dust In The Wind started as a guitar exercise that Kerry Livgren turned into a song when his wife remarked how she liked its sound.

Now if you think fame is important for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (and based on the title, yes), then Kansas shouldn't get in. 2 popular songs, neither of them incredibly spectacular. But if you want to judge them musically, then they should get in.

I would say Rush should get in the hall before Kansas because Rush has a bigger fanbase, especially now, but I believe Kansas was better musically (no offense to Rush, they're a great band).

Listening to songs like Hopelessly Human, Magnum Opus, Icarus (I and II), I can't see how anyone can say this band turly sucks. You may not like them, you might not like prog music in general. But you can't say they're talentless musicians.

Posted by Dave on Tuesday, 07.13.10 @ 11:06am


i don't agree with you kit you are so wrong. Kansas was a great band to begin with.

Posted by Spider on Saturday, 07.31.10 @ 14:55pm


If you look at the criteria by which an artist is nominated for the R&R HOF it "includes the influence and significance of the artist's contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."

Kansas was one of the original American prog-rock bands. Yes, there were others during that same time span like Yes, Queen, Genesis, etc. who have been inducted. Kansas set a standard of musical innovation that speaks across generations - the depth of their musical messages were relevant when I was 16 and they remain relevant to me now at 50 - albeit in a different context.

I think that's influential and significant!

VOTE THEM IN!! Kansas forever - God Bless!

Posted by LM on Wednesday, 10.13.10 @ 13:42pm


Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so therefore, kit, you are an idiot.
Kansas has incredible musicians with a meaningful message as well as the bands(current and former members) solo projects.
Kit, you say you smell like animal droppings so I suggest we change your name to "dingleberrie"

Posted by Gary on Thursday, 12.2.10 @ 08:41am


No, they sucked.

Posted by Chalkie on Thursday, 12.2.10 @ 12:57pm


Artist.. Tiptop :)

Posted by www.futurerocklegends.com on Thursday, 06.2.11 @ 19:16pm


Artist.. Slap-up :)

Posted by www.futurerocklegends.com on Friday, 06.3.11 @ 00:51am


I think Kansas should be in Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because they were influence by British Prog Rock Groups like, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Yes, Genesis, Emerson, Lake and Palmer and The Beatles, They had Couple of Hits and Albums through out their musicial careers, Their influence inspire Music Artists and Groups today. If you liked them, You should supported them in the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame, If you Hate them, I don't care, I liked these guys.

Posted by Dan Windler on Friday, 08.26.11 @ 23:57pm


These riff-thieves shouldn't be inducted until after Journey is. How they could steal a riff from a then-fledgling, struggling band is impardonable

Posted by gabatxo on Friday, 07.3.09 @ 02:33am

Kansas ripping off Journey? Where'd you get that idea?

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 01.8.12 @ 16:28pm


Am I the only one who dosen't think stealing riffs isn't that bad? Led Zep made a career out of it!

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 01.8.12 @ 16:37pm


A few quick thoughts: 1) Kansas is a cliff notes version of prog compared with King Crimson; 2) Other than King Crimson And a couple of others, the german prog bands like Faust, Can and Neu! were far more progressive and forward-looking: 3)The best of Kansas could never measure up to the worst of King Crimson; and 4) The true measure of great music isn't popularity or virtuosity; it's passion, hunger and soul, which is why such non-virtuosos as The Clash, Chuck Berry, The Ramones, etc. deserve all the love in the world. Feel free to discuss.

Posted by Stuart Fishman on Wednesday, 04.11.12 @ 00:03am


Everything you said there is true Shawn.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 04.11.12 @ 13:26pm


Rock & Roll Jeopardy
Category: If They Collaborated

If Kansas were to do a song with 'Til Tuesday, it would be called...

What is "Voices Carry On Wayward Son"

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Sunday, 05.6.12 @ 00:42am


Some of the comments made by the so- called 'music experts' on this threat make me laugh.

I have followed this band since the early days of White Clover and Saratoga, and the fact that, not only have they made a conscious decision to not write music that is chart-centric, but are preparing to celebrate their 40th Anniversary as a band, speaks volumes. If you don't like their music, you have every right not to. But the impact they have made on the evolution of not only music is general, but progressive rock in particular, is undeniable. That being said, they are likely never going to be inducted into the R&RHOF, simply because Jann Wenner is not a fan of progressive rock in any form. No matter. Their work will stand on it's own...for many years to come.

Posted by RyanL Stone on Thursday, 04.18.13 @ 17:46pm


Carl Perkins got in for Blue Suede Shoes. Kansas can get in for Dust in the Wind. Those of us that were around in the 1970s remember how gigantically dominating they were.

Posted by Rockhall Gordo on Sunday, 05.5.13 @ 20:36pm


Since Rush has now been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, expect many of their prog rock brethren to follow. It has been said by Tommy Shaw that his song, 'Man In The Wilderness' was inspired by Kansas. What appealed to me most about Kansas was Robby Steinhardt's violin and Kerry Livgren's songwriting acumen.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 05.6.13 @ 00:05am


The first time I heard UFO's "Love to Love" which is mistakenly called "Misty Green & Blue" by some people, I thought it was Kansas. Maybe that's the sound UFO was going for on this particular song. Their other songs don't even sound remotely like Kansas.

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Monday, 05.6.13 @ 12:04pm


Kansas

01. Phil Ehart (1973-Present: drums, percussion)
02. Steve Walsh (1973-Present: keyboards, synthesizers, percussion, vocals; Streets)
03. Rich Williams (1973-Present: guitars)
04. Robby Steinhardt (1973-2006: violin, vocals)
05. Dave Hope (1973-2000: bass, vocals; AD)
06. Kerry Livgren (1973-2000: guitars, keyboards, synthesizers, vocals)
07. John Elefante (1982-1984: keyboards, vocals; Mastedon)
08. Billy Greer (1985-Present: bass, vocals; Streets)
09. Steve Morse (1985-1991: guitars, vocals; Dixie Dregs, Deep Purple)
10. David Ragsdale (1991-Present: violin, vocals)

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 05.23.13 @ 10:36am


I bet that a decent amount, if not all of you guys that are saying that Kansas is unoriginal and unlistenable, have heard 1 song and 0 records, you don't bass this stuff on hits, which are indeed brilliant, but it's the hidden gems! which you've probably never heard! The Wall, Icarus, Magnum Opus etc they're all excellent, and maybe you'd have a different opinion if you were to expand past the 1 or 2 songs you've heard...

Posted by Jack on Friday, 07.5.13 @ 19:52pm


I agree with your comment Jack. Yes is my vote for Kansas.

Posted by Cokey on Friday, 07.5.13 @ 21:10pm


All the people hating on Kansas must not have ears. They are one of the most genius bands especially in terms of composition. For example, just listen to the song The Wall, especially the ending and the way it alternates between major and minor chord tonality throughout. It's amazing.

Posted by edgar on Tuesday, 11.26.13 @ 14:05pm


Great band, should be in. If heart and rush can get in(LOVE THEM BOTH!)Kansas deserves to be in also!Dont forget about other really great songs from them, Miracles out of no where and portrait(He Knew). They had really great music all across the board. Music that nobody else had at that time.

Posted by phil on Sunday, 01.12.14 @ 17:07pm


It appears that there are some idiots who know little about the band Kansas. Kansas wasn't a typical progressive rock band. In fact, many of their best songs, such as "Carry On", "Dust", and "Lonely Street", were not progressive rock songs. The fact that the band had songs that could be classified as hard rock, AOR rock, acoustic rock, boogie rock, progressive rock, etc. confused many critics as well as some of the hardcore prog rock fans who wanted to hear nothing but prog rock.

There were 4 things that made Kansas special:

1) The awesome songwriting of Livgren which was far superior to that of most other prog groups including Yes & ELP. Livgren's brand of symphonic rock was powerful, complicated, melodic, and catchy all at the same time. As far as songwriting goes, only Pink Floyd and Genesis rivaled Kansas and this did not occur until these bands had been around for awhile and had since abandoned prog rock for AOR rock.

2) A first class vocalist (Steinhardt) and a world-class vocalist (Walsh). In the mid-1970's, Steve Hackett of Genesis said Steve Walsh was hands down the best singer in rock n' roll. When at his peak, singers like Jon Anderson, Phil Collins, Gilmore & Waters, Greg Lake, and Geddy Lee never came close.

3) Kansas was greater than the sum of its parts. Except for the Steve Morse era they may have lacked a virtuoso keyboardist or guitarist. However, the band was still able to play some very complicated songs. I agree that Livgren, Walsh, & Williams, were not as technically proficient as Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, or Steve Howe, but their musicianship was perfect for the songs. With Kansas, the songs came primary, showing off was secondary.

4) Kansas had one thing that made them very unique: Violinist Robby Steinhardt. Unlike most rock or pop bands, Robby's playing accented the symphonic and classical side of the band. How many other prog rock violinists were there? Eddie Jobson?? No thanks, I'll take Robby anyday.

Posted by David on Tuesday, 06.24.14 @ 14:58pm


I keep reading these posts by some "twit" named Kit. Why would anybody make so many posts against this band, if they were such a joke. I think Kit is a little intimidated by Kansas' powerful music.

Posted by David on Tuesday, 06.24.14 @ 15:04pm


At the end of point #3 (above) I meant to say,
"With Kansas, the songs were of primary importance and showing off was of secondary importance."

Posted by David on Tuesday, 06.24.14 @ 15:10pm


Kansas should definitely be in the HOF. They won't be however because they were never given their due by critics. Their musicianship is on par and many times better than most prog bands. People would refuse to tour with them because they would get blown off the stage by their talent. Respected by musicians, not by critics. Sounds like they deserve to be in to me.

Posted by Cameron on Wednesday, 08.20.14 @ 21:06pm


I think that the first five Kansas studio albums were quite brilliant, especially "Leftoverture," "Kansas" and "Point Of Know Return." I had also liked "Masque" quite a bit. Of those five, "Song For America" had taken a while for me to fully appreciate.

I did like "Monolith" a little bit less than the first five albums. I wasn't as enthusiastic about what had followed, especially "Drastic Measures," however. For me, Kansas was trying to be the "prog band," who was attempting to convert their audience to Christianity and I had to draw the line. So, I did not listen to, nor buy their albums for at least an entire decade.

Then I had heard Gentle Giant. If you want a band that was really incredible, I would strongly suggest purchasing the following albums: "Acquiring The Taste," "Octopus," "Free Hand," "Gentle Giant," "Three Friends" and "The Power And The Glory."

Steve Walsh once had one of the greatest voices in all of "progressive rock" and I will agree that Robby Steinhardt's violin work had been quite wonderful. During the first five albums, Kansas was on a philosophical search and was not being too "preachy." So, I like those recordings quite a bit. However, the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame is supposed to be about enduring excellence. Does Kansas fit the bill for having more than a decade of greatness?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Thursday, 08.21.14 @ 09:57am


How Kansas is not in the RRHOF is beyond me. When I see that Blondie, the Sex Pistols, and the Stooges are there, it makes me wonder about the qualifications of the people voting. Kansas started performing in approximately 1973 and are still performing today. No, they do not perform at the same level today as they did years ago, but neither do the Stones. I think the RRHOF ignorantly looks at the lack of Top 40 releases by Kansas as one of their decisions to not vote them in. Kansas never wanted to be mainstream. They were pressured by Don Kirshner early on to produce snappy little 2 1/2 minute singles to bring in the bucks. Although they are what Kansas is most remembered for, "Dust in the Wind" and "Carry on my Wayward Son" were some of Kansas's worst work, in my opinion. Songs like "The Pinnacle", "Closet Chronicles" and "Magnum Opus" were just a few examples of their fine work that never made it to the airways and was never intended to.

Kansas was and is a one of a kind. Their musical arrangements were put together like the compositions by the great masters. There are more inductees in the RRHOF that I can count that don't hold a candle to Kansas.

Posted by Ray Ledbetter on Thursday, 01.8.15 @ 11:25am


Kansas is on the cover of this months prog classic Rock magazine.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 01.8.15 @ 22:33pm


To respond to Kansas haters bands that have made it in before them like rush what a crock every time I saw Rush they were back up to Kansas 3 times enough said also Yes is also not in that shows how clueless this hall of fame voting is. For the guy that wants to bash people's faces in what an idiot these are people's opinions give it a rest go pet a dog.

Posted by John on Friday, 01.30.15 @ 21:41pm


Even worse than all of this discussion is the fact that Green Day is getting in... green Day people,,they weren't even thought of while all these great bands were cranknig out great music for decades.. RR HOF is a joke anyways.

Posted by Gary on Monday, 02.2.15 @ 11:20am


and Kansas def Rocks out, Mysteries and Mayhem, No One Together, People of the South Wind,, the list goes on of great Kansas songs.

Posted by Gary on Monday, 02.2.15 @ 11:27am


My first album purchase ever was Kansas' Mask.
I still love the music and band after 40 yrs.
they deserve to be inducted for their blood, sweat, and tears in the industry.

Posted by Eddy Pearson on Saturday, 03.21.15 @ 02:56am


A new documentary about Kansas, "Miracles Out Of Nowhere," has been airing on VH-1 Classic and Palladia during this past weekend and during this week. Such artists as Garth Brooks and Brian May, of Queen, and my former nemesis, David Wild praise them highly. As I had said before, the first five albums released by Kansas were often quite brilliant, however their legacy should extend beyond those first five recordings, in order to be considered for Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame induction.

I think that the first five Kansas studio albums were quite brilliant, especially "Leftoverture," "Kansas" and "Point Of Know Return." I had also liked "Masque" quite a bit. Of those five, "Song For America" had taken a while for me to fully appreciate.

I did like "Monolith" a little bit less than the first five albums. I wasn't as enthusiastic about what had followed, especially "Drastic Measures," however. For me, Kansas was trying to be the "prog band," who was attempting to convert their audience to Christianity and I had to draw the line. So, I did not listen to, nor buy their albums for at least an entire decade.

Then I had heard Gentle Giant. If you want a band that was really incredible, I would strongly suggest purchasing the following albums: "Acquiring The Taste," "Octopus," "Free Hand," "Gentle Giant," "Three Friends" and "The Power And The Glory."

Steve Walsh once had one of the greatest voices in all of "progressive rock" and I will agree that Robby Steinhardt's violin work had been quite wonderful. During the first five albums, Kansas was on a philosophical search and was not being too "preachy." So, I like those recordings quite a bit. However, the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame is supposed to be about enduring excellence. Does Kansas fit the bill for having more than a decade of greatness?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 03.23.15 @ 10:08am


Kansas is a pleasant inoffensive band, but extremely light weight. Their lyrics are almost a cliche for schmaltzy cornball in rock. They will most likely be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame some day, but I'm pretty sure they don't deserve the honor.

Posted by 54markl on Friday, 05.1.15 @ 04:06am


These Kansas fans are just about what I would expect. I would just like to go on record as saying that although bands like The Ramones and The Stooges didn't make a fraction of the money that Kansas did, they are worth about 1,000 Kansases artistically. It is a good thing for Kansas that the main criteria for the Rock and Roll Hall of fame is Money and not Artistic Worth, or else they'd never get in. But because of their blockbuster mediocrities, they have a chance. Like Donna Summers did. LOL!

Posted by 54markl on Friday, 05.1.15 @ 04:17am


Ive seen about a million Ramones T-shirts recently, but not one Kansas T-shirt. Guess platinum albums aren't everything, eh guys? Dust in the wind.

Posted by 54markl on Friday, 05.1.15 @ 04:33am


Anecdotal evidence.

I've seen just as many Kansas t-shirts as Ramones recently, therefore they must be the same!

Posted by dmg on Friday, 05.1.15 @ 09:29am


Kansas is one of the best Art and Progessive Rock groups of all time. They should get in because the songs.

Posted by Dan Windler on Saturday, 05.9.15 @ 23:04pm


I think Kansas will fall short of induction. King Crimson and Moody Blues were early prog 60's early 70's who have influenced many bands and they haven't been inducted. Rush made it with excellent work over their totality and a rabid fan base who helped push Rush over the top to induction. There seems to be bands in Kansas way if the genre is prog, rock. They had 2 Classic songs Carry...and Dust In The Wind. Many groups have played the songs so that's influence. I think the violin playing was innovative to some degree. Don't know if Kansas will make it. KING.

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 05.13.15 @ 05:44am


@ KING

I have to disagree with you about Kansas, King Crimson and Moody Blues. I feel That you are looking at Prog in and of itself and are not considering what dominated the era in general which included Heartland Rock, Folk and Country. I see very little chance for King Crimson.

Moody Blues has several factors in it's favor but one of those factors was that Moody Blues was first to use a Moog. Dennis DeYoung was considered one of the early Moog pioneers also. Styx was more successful and more widely known over a longer period of time. Also like Kansas, Styx not only could be considered Prog but could also be considered Heartland Rock.

When considering bands that had elements of Prog and Heartland Rock you can not forget about Chicago and the twenty or so artist of the era that are from Chicago, have a member from Chicago or were involved in the Chicago music scene.

Now remember that Smashing Pumpkins is due to be eligible next year. I think that just having an outcry from fans would be enough to trigger a backlash because NO rock artist is more important to Chicago than the band that bears it's name. And backlashes that come out of the city of Chicago have repercussions. Where did the Disco Sucks movement come out of and what were the results?

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 05.13.15 @ 12:00pm


Great comments Zuzu! I've advocated Chicago in RRHOF in my last 2 or 3 guess Nominations. What the RRHOF ballot might appear. I think Smashing Pumpkins have a good chance as 1st ballot. They are one of the most influential and successful of the 1st year eligible bands and RRHOF likes a headliner. Ex: Green Day (2015) KISS (2014). Kansas seems to have a long road to RRHOF when deserving groups Duran Duran, Def Leppard, Judas Priest, Chicago, Deep Purple, etc have not been voted in Hall. KING

Posted by KING on Wednesday, 05.13.15 @ 20:10pm


In the whole scheme of things yes Kansas would have a long road but so would everyone you mentioned except Chicago. I think you are very much undervaluing Kansas. Their Point of No Return album had a huge impact.

Do you think Billy Corgan's attitude is going to bode well for Smashing Pumpkins with older voters? As far as Chicago goes - consider this: Steve Goodman wrote the Go Cubs Go theme song and his ashes are spread in Wrigley, REO's Riding the Storm Out is played at Hawk games, and the Blues Brother's version of Sweet Home Chicago is played at several events. The 05 Sox chose Journey's Don't Stop Believin Steve Perry attended the post season games and the rally. Jonathan Cain is one of the writers of that song. He is also one of the survivor's of the Our Lady of Angels fire - that is sacred ground. Chicago is much more influential than Smashing Pumpkins. According to Joe Montegna everybody knew everybody in the Chicago music scene in the 60's so the majority of those 20+ artist I mentioned were influenced by Chicago and that is just the start. A lot of people from at the time Chicago are within 2 or 3 degrees of separation of knowing one of the members of the band. So to have Smashing Pumpkins go in before Chicago would be a personal insult.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 05.14.15 @ 04:09am


One of the posters brought up something interesting about not seeing anybody wearing Kansas T-shirts. I agree...Never saw anybody wearing Kansas T-shirts either. Don't see Kansas getting in when several groups The Cure, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Moody Blues, Def Leppard,Chicago etc. haven't been inducted. I'm curious where Kansas fans draw the line for induction. Ex:Kansas or Chicago, Kansas or Roxy Music,Kansas or The Cure, Kansas or Def Leppard, Kansas or The Cars, Kansas or Moody Blues, Kansas or Judas Priest, Kansas or Iron Maiden etc. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 05.21.15 @ 16:42pm


@King

Let me add a few more names and really make this interesting.

Journey - Patsy Cline - Willie Nelson - Jerry Reed - Joan Baez - The Guess Who - Tommy James and The Shondells - Chubby Checker - Pat Benatar - Bon Jovi

Now add that to your list and pretend this is the list of nominees. From top to bottom how would those eligible vote on this list?

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 05.22.15 @ 03:15am


I have probably seen 1 or 2 people wearing a Kansas T shirt. Not common at all, though.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 05.22.15 @ 07:01am


Wrote them all down. Let's say RRHOF chooses 6 out of 19 for induction. I think Willie Nelson would be #1. He just turned 80 and RRHOF looked dumb when Donna Summer, Lou Reed died before induction. For his totality of work. #2 Chicago. One of the bigger snubs I keep hearing. Plus Chicago has vocal fan base. Won't give up. #3 Moody Blues They would give Prog a voice in Hall. Outstanding music and influence. Deserving 48 years recording songs and touring. After that, it's really tough. #4 The Cure They have been nominated before and have strong innovation and influence. A good headliner for year #5 Def Leppard Had 2 Diamond albums Pyromania and Hysteria. Nearly 40 years in the business. Good headliner. #6 Pat Benatar That's the female inductee. She had operatic voice and hits Fire and Ice, Hit Me With Your Best Shot, Invincible etc. Influenced young female voters. Think Judas Priest and Iron Maiden cancel each other out. The others wait another year. KING

Posted by KING on Friday, 05.22.15 @ 16:36pm


I would also pick Willie Nelson and Chicago.

Patsy Cline is an icon. She is the first country female to be a crossover artist. She is a huge influence. Fifty years later the songs she recorded are still being covered.

Journey - Steve Perry was dubbed the Voice by Jon Bon Jovi. Journey has influenced hair bands and metal prog. Journey songs are used a lot on singing shows.

The last 2 spots are a toss-up between the following. Moody Blues and Pat Benatar

Joan Baez - I would put her as the top female folk singer

Chubby Checker - the Twist was a cultural phenomenon.

Tommy James and the Shondels - Probably the most influential of the 60's Garage Bands. Part of the last Induction Ceremony

The Guess Who - BTO & 5 Man Electrical Band were spinoffs of this group

Jerry Reed - Highly influential and regarded guitar player. Pioneered a new style of picking. Kansas' Taking In The View is an example of Reed's influence. Check out Amos Moses.

I would consider the rest lower on the list. Of those remaining I would put Kansas on top. This is largely because Wayward Son & Dust In The Wind still get a lot of exposure. I have other projects that I am working on before I get to Kansas - so my evaluation of them may go up. Based on the Bible-Belt imagery used in their songs, I would start looking at Christian Rock, Country, Southern Rock and Heartland Rock for signs of their influence.



Posted by Zuzu on Saturday, 05.23.15 @ 10:52am


KING,

Thank you for your opinion about Rush. If for some reason, Kansas receives a nomination for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame, I will support them, however since we are only allowed to choose 5 inductees, I will not be able to vote for them, regrettably, if Duran Duran, The Moody Blues, Yes, Carly Simon and Sade appear on the same list!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 05.23.15 @ 13:53pm


My thinking there will be big push to get Deep Purple & Willie Nelson nominated & inducted in 2015. That leaves 4 spots. I think Chicago or Moody Blues fight for spot. That would be 3. The female artist could be Stevie Nicks, Janet Jackson, Mariah Carrey Pat Benatar. That would be 4.The last 2 spots could be 5 groups fighting Duran Duran, Def Leppard, The Cure, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins. A final inductee list could be 1.Willie Nelson 2.Deep Purple 3.Moody Blues 4.Janet Jackson 5.Duran Duran 6.Nine Inch Nails. If they go 7, NWA, Chic, or Smashing Pumpkins slide in...
Kansas seems to be a tougher sell to make RRHOF as long as King Crimson, Yes, Moody Blues, Chicago and several waiting. I'll keep waiting too. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 05.23.15 @ 16:59pm


My thinking there will be big push to get Deep Purple & Willie Nelson nominated & inducted in 2015. That leaves 4 spots. I think Chicago or Moody Blues fight for spot. That would be 3. The female artist could be Stevie Nicks, Janet Jackson, Mariah Carrey Pat Benatar. That would be 4.The last 2 spots could be 5 groups fighting Duran Duran, Def Leppard, The Cure, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins. A final inductee list could be 1.Willie Nelson 2.Deep Purple 3.Moody Blues 4.Janet Jackson 5.Duran Duran 6.Nine Inch Nails. If they go 7, NWA, Chic, or Smashing Pumpkins slide in...
Kansas seems to be a tougher sell to make RRHOF as long as King Crimson, Yes, Moody Blues, Chicago and several waiting. I'll keep waiting too. KING

Posted by KING on Saturday, 05.23.15 @ 17:04pm


In the recent Kansas documentary, "Miracles Out Of Nowhere," Garth Brooks and Brian May have both sung their praises about Kansas. Back in 2010, several artists had similarly praised Rush in the documentary, "Rush: Beyond The Lighted Stage." Rush and Kansas are always mentioned together in most articles. Rush's music has often been compared to "classical music played with loud guitars." Kerry Livgren was also influenced by classical music.

Does Garth Brooks like Rush, also?

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 08.17.15 @ 06:36am


I will say this in Kansas' defense, if I was to compare Rush's first five studio albums with those of Kansas, Rush would unfortunately lose.

However, "A Farewell To Kings" does contain quite a few great songs, namely 'Closer To The Heart' and Rush's magnum opus, 'Xanadu.'

After those albums however, Rush wins easily. "Hemispheres" is Rush's first masterwork. "Permanent Waves" is even better. "Moving Pictures" is another masterpiece; personally, it is my fifth favorite Rush studio album. "Exit... Stage Left," Rush's second live album is not only Rush's greatest album, but quite possibly "progressive rock's" finest effort.

After that, "Signals" is another masterpiece, "Grace Under Pressure" is not as great, however "Power Windows," the album which follows is my third favorite Rush studio album, only eclipsed by "Presto," (number two) and "Roll The Bones," Rush's greatest studio album.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Sunday, 08.23.15 @ 00:38am


If we look at current trends, I would guess that Kansas may receive a nomination for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame within the next 3 years. Rush's documentary came out in 2010 and they were inducted in 2013. Kansas' documentary came out in 2015, so I am guessing that they might be inducted in either 2018, or 2019.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Wednesday, 08.26.15 @ 09:49am


Enig, that is certainly an interesting hypothesis, but not one I feel is tenable. For starters, as my algebra teacher would say, "One point does not define a line." Unless you know for fact the function is linear, you can't use Rush as a fixed point and concretely conclude y=x+3. So I think you're starting with too grand an assumption. It's not as tried and true a method as certain trends like making yourself available for the Foundation to be part of an induction ceremony, putting out a new album or starting a new tour, or sadly, dying. Secondly, I think documentaries are as effective as biopics. Documentaries, for the most part, fly below the radar of public consciousness, and thus don't raise ground level support from the public. Biopics, especially ones that are well done, will generate much more hype and get murmurs going in favor of an act. Now, I realize that this is not a definite either, as most biopics of recent have been primarily about acts that are already in (see "Jersey Boys" and "Get On Up"), and we'll get the first real test with N.W.A. this fall, and even then it's not a strong test either as N.W.A. has been on the Hall's priorities list since becoming eligible. Still, biopics are made for a wider audience than documentaries can expect to reach (even if your name is Michael Moore), and have greater potential to generate buzz. So I think documentaries are at a disadvantage there. Thirdly, Kansas has never had the support that Rush has almost always enjoyed. While I'm not a Rush fan myself, I respect their artistry and also am not blind to the fact that they've long been regarded near the top of their field, almost regardless of how you define their field (within reason). Kansas, on the other hand, don't have nearly that prestige. Even amidst a relatively narrow definition of arena rock, Kansas is behind some names that are already inducted (like KISS), and several more that are not (Journey, Styx, Boston, Foreigner, et al.) Kansas were not a strong enough standout among their peers, and thus I don't think can expect nomination anytime soon, even with a documentary. Lastly, three years is a lot of time for something to be forgotten, especially in our ephemeral cyber-culture. A lot of acts can announce new tours, reunite, release new albums, make high-profile appearances or die in that time, and thus supplant Kansas from the line of forethought for any kind of consideration.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08.26.15 @ 13:14pm


Sorry, that should be under secondly, documentaries are NOT as effective.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 08.26.15 @ 13:16pm


I just don't think Kansas has enough song firepower to get in. Maybe in 50 years.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 08.27.15 @ 10:57am


I had been watching a portion of Kansas' recent documentary, "Miracles Out Of Nowhere" on BluRay today. Yesterday, I had watched "Mr. Blue Sky," the documentary about Jeff Lynne on BluRay. I had also watched the DVD version of "Rush: Beyond The Lighted Stage." All three of these documentaries feature prominent musicians and artists who sing their respective praises.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Monday, 09.14.15 @ 01:33am


Ah, Kansas, such a controversial topic. Looked down upon by many fans of progressive rock music or just critics in general for being a pale imitation of their European brothers (or is it cousins), largely ignored by the public, yet despite this are still loved by millions despite the facts ringing some truth. The question is why but the answer isn't all that hard (at least in my case). For me European prog is just too foreign for me whereas Kansas feels closer to home. Admittedly this isn't much of an argument I know but it's just that Kansas is a band I kinda grew up and fell in love with due to being exposed to it at a young age thanks to my dad. The bass lines were groovy, the drumming complex, the piano lines lush, the guitar work stunning, the violin beautiful to the ears, the lyrics deep and meaningful, and the vocals outstanding. No matter what people say thay can never doubt the skill these players have even when they took different musical choices in the 80s and essentially changed what they were. No matter good or bad, through highs and lows, they are still to this day my favorite band of all time.

Posted by Connor the Critic on Friday, 03.18.16 @ 19:42pm


Connor the Critic,

If the Rock Hall does decide to induct a major "progressive rock" band from the United States, then I think that Kansas would definitely be a great choice, due to their first five studio albums alone. Of course, most individuals are mostly aware of Kansas, due to their commercial successes with "Leftoverture" and "Point Of Know Return." Songs such as: 'Dust In The Wind' and 'Carry On Wayward Son' are still radio staples to this day. This year, will mark the 40th anniversary of the release of "Point Of Know Return" on October 11, 1977. Back in October, 2016, "Leftoverture" had turned 40.

The problem with Kansas induction, however may be their post "Point" material.

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01.21.17 @ 13:22pm


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