Joy Division

Not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Eligible since: 2003 (The 2004 Induction Ceremony)

Previously Considered? No  what's this?


Inducted into Rock Hall Revisited in 2004 (ranked #60) .


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Will Joy Division be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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After Bowie, the start of alternative music starts here...

Posted by chris on Sunday, 01.21.07 @ 09:18am


This is one of my all-time favorite bands. Brief but brilliant career highlighted by two five-star albums and a couple timeless singles.

Revered in Britain moreso than the states, but so so many bands have aped Curtis' vocals and the overall aesthetic of the band. Influence grows every year. I hope the upcoming Ian Curtis biopic "Control" will thrust the band into the voter's consciousness.
It would be cool if Joy Division/New Order were inducted as a single entry; New Order's style seemed like a natural progression from Joy Divison.

Posted by Matt on Monday, 01.22.07 @ 20:16pm


They damn well better... if "innovation and influence" are really the two main factors, Joy Division should have been in already. They were a huge influence on bands already in the Hall of Fame... most notably U2.

Posted by Snuffy on Tuesday, 01.23.07 @ 18:38pm


A phenomenal band, unlike anything else I've ever heard. I'm honestly surprised that they weren't in already.

I don't think Joy Division and New Order should be treated as the same band. New Order is brilliant in its own special way and is a wholly seperate organism from Joy Division, in my opinion.

Posted by Kit on Friday, 01.26.07 @ 19:03pm


Why isn't Joy Division already in? In fact, why aren't they even being nominated? Because Ian Curtis is dead. The Hall is a business, and they need to sell their ceremony. But why would they want to induct a band who can't possibly play on the show? More and more, if a band can't or won't perform, they're not even considered for induction (see: ABBA).

New Order will get Joy Division's induction instead.

Posted by Andrew on Wednesday, 03.7.07 @ 01:04am


Another case of the induction process overlooking a highly deserving act simply due to its not being a household name in the US. This British band is long overdue for induction and deserves it on the strengths of "Love Will Tear Us Apart" alone -- it's influence as a landmark song are unmistakable, with it virtually single handily representing the missing link between punk and synth pop. Induct them now and beg the forgiveness of future generations for not doing it sooner.

Posted by NFB on Wednesday, 04.4.07 @ 09:02am


have to be in. simply
the most influential band of the last 25 years even though a vigorously anti-commercial stance stunted the spread of their fame. martin hannett's prpduction is similar ly under rated.

Posted by ben quigley on Sunday, 04.15.07 @ 07:38am


Bono would admit that they deserve to be in before U2 does. And they never will be, and that's a crime.

Posted by Jeff on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 19:03pm


I don't think it is possible to really put into words HOW influential these guys were. They were hugely influential.

Posted by Starr on Sunday, 06.24.07 @ 12:30pm


Joy Division is the most influential alternative band bar none. Innovative? Joy Division defines post-punk. Its nomination is overdue.

New Order as a separate entity also deserves to be inducted for its innovative electronic sound and influence on todays music.

Posted by Canuck21 on Wednesday, 07.25.07 @ 22:41pm


"Joy Division is the most influential alternative band bar none"

the perfect comment to get any smiths fan an inner rage.

Posted by liam on Saturday, 10.6.07 @ 15:02pm


Liam you are obsessed with the Smiths to a fault...they are done, as in over - please get out of the 80's already... I mean do you still have that Molly Ringwald poster hanging in your room?

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 10.6.07 @ 16:49pm


The aughts have been pretty fine for me, and I tend to be very critical.

Posted by William on Saturday, 10.6.07 @ 21:09pm


yeah we noticed

Posted by liam on Saturday, 10.20.07 @ 14:20pm


get them the f**k in there. do it as JD and NO the same year, that would be awesome.

Posted by gary on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 15:02pm


Yeah, it sure would, but the chances of it happening are minimal.

Posted by l i a m on Wednesday, 12.26.07 @ 15:07pm


when routine bites hard
and ambitions move low
and resentment rides high
but emotions won't grow
and we're changing our ways
taking different roads
then LOVE,
LOVE WILL TEAR US APART AGAIN!!!

Posted by ANON on Wednesday, 01.16.08 @ 16:00pm


They have better songs....maybe if you went past your seemingly small grasp on 80s college rock you'd find out.

And I hope to God you aren't referencing that terrible Fall Out Boy-cover...but you were the one who adovcated for AFI, so...

Posted by liam on Thursday, 01.17.08 @ 12:50pm


Listened to Substance again yesterday; every time I do I hear more and more how absolutely essential this band is to understanding the progression of punk to post punk to alternative and electronica. You can hear where so, so many bands that followed drew their influence.
This band was remarkably significant. Some beautiful, haunting stuff.

Posted by Blue on Wednesday, 01.23.08 @ 13:33pm


LOVE WILL TEAR US APART AGAIN!!!

Joy Division was certainly influential. They crossblended different styles and added their own personal touch into something unique and refreshing. I don't think the Hall has the balls to give them a call.

I will admit that they made some horrible videos. I wonder if they even cared? Did the drummer even realize what song they were supposed to be playing when they shot the video to "Love Will Tear Us Apart Again"? It is a bit of a laugh.

I wonder if the HoF will use the video image as an additional criteria as more video & MTV era bands come of age for nomination. I certainly hope not; they can't figure out the criteria they are using now.

Posted by Frankie on Thursday, 01.24.08 @ 06:01am


Joy Division...not real familiar with them. Went to Rhapsody and listened to a track called "Love Will Tear Us Apart"...thought to myself, "okay, I've heard that at some point". Not sure they got a lot of air time in the States (what else is new). Gonna have to listen to more. Aren't they making a movie about the lead singer?

Posted by Terry on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 16:25pm


They only had two studio albums, so they're won't be much to look though lol. Start off with their debut, Unknown Pleasure, then onto Closer, their final.

That biopic has already been made. It's pretty good, try and catch it if you can. It's centred more aound Ian Curtis' life than the band itself.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 16:29pm


Liam...thanks for the info. I real did like that style of rock. Can you suggest similar bands?

Posted by Terry on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 16:34pm


Whats the movie called?

Posted by Terry on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 16:36pm


Did the wikipedia thing...I am a little more familiar with New Order. How do you feel about them, Liam? I think I have Blue Monday on my MP3 player right now.

Posted by Terry on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 16:43pm


Yeah, sure, I can suggest PLENTY ;D

Echo & the Bunnymen,
Sioxsie and The Banshees,
Wire,
Gang of Four,
Public Image Limited,
The Cure,
The Fall,
XTC,
Magazine,
The Birthday Party.

I'll give you a list of albums to check/avoid tomorrow (UK time)....if you're lucky ;p

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 16:43pm


I really love New Order, too. Aside from their debut, their 80s stuff is largely perfect, as is some of their 90s stuff.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 16:50pm


Whenever you get a chance that would be great, man. I have "The Killing Moon", "Cities In Dust", and "King For A Day" on my player...so I would definitely like to find more.

Posted by Terry on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 16:52pm


Off to bed in a sec, so I can't really do much yet, but I'll have a go. Can't really give you an order to get each album, so I'll just say that you should go chronologically.

Echo & the Bunnymen:
"Crocodiles", "Heaven Up Here", "Porcupine", "Ocean Rain". Maybe their eponymous too, but it isn't essential.

Gang of Four:
"Entertainment!", "Solid Gold", "Songs of the Free". The rest is rubbish.

The Cure:
"Three Imaginary Boys", "Boys Don't Cry", "Seventeen Seconds", "Faith", "Pornography", "The Head on the Door", "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me", "Disintegration".

The Birthday Party:
"Hee Haw", "Prayers On Fire", "Junkyard", "The Bad Seed/Mutiny".




For the others, I either:

a) cannot be bothered because they have too much good stuff
b) generally cannot be bothered.

...but I'd say that's enough for now!

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 17:08pm


...and the film is called Control

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 17:11pm


Thanks...good evening to ya!

Posted by Terry on Saturday, 02.9.08 @ 17:35pm


Liam...I added a whole lot of very good music to my Rhapsody library yesterday...I appreciate the input!

Posted by Terry on Sunday, 02.10.08 @ 09:09am


Very welcome, I love pushing great music to people!

Which did you get? And which are you listening/have you listened to?

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 02.10.08 @ 09:16am


Actually, I drug all those albums into a playlist, hit "shuffle", and let them play. The first song that came up was "Damaged Goods" by Gang Of Four. I thought to myself, "okay, we're on to something here!!" Very enjoyable!!

Posted by Terry on Sunday, 02.10.08 @ 09:30am


I think my favourite GoF track is "To Hell With Poverty". Sooooo funky!

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 02.10.08 @ 09:36am


Or "Natural's Not In It". Another one of their many great songs!

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 02.10.08 @ 09:39am


To Hell With Poverty...LOL!!!! Thats the one that made me run into the den and plug my Strat in, thinking..."I gotta play along with this!!!" Too cool!!!!

Posted by Terry on Sunday, 02.10.08 @ 10:03am


@ Blue/Shawn,

You really need to get JD's two studio albums to hear their sound. They're both about equal in terms of quality, but if you only want one to start, get Unknown Pleasures becauses it's probably more influential (only by a fraction).

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 02.28.08 @ 14:36pm


The more I listen to Joy Division, the more I realize that they influenced a LOT of artists from the early 80's into the 90's. I can hear a twinge of "She's Lost Control" in the Nirvana song "All Apologies".

Liam...what do you know about a band called The Sound?

Posted by Terry on Thursday, 02.28.08 @ 20:02pm


I also heard some stuff tonight that I liked from a band called The Chameleons UK

Posted by Terry on Thursday, 02.28.08 @ 20:09pm


I wouldn't be surprised if JD had an influence on Nirvana. Kurt Cobain was a big Buzzcocks fan and got them to support Nirvana sometimes, so I;m sure he would have been aware of Joy Division.

The Sound and The Chameleons were both good, but nothing really staggering.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 02.29.08 @ 11:23am


Thankfully we only had to put up with two albums from these no-talent losers. Too bad New Order followed them into the darkness. This band was clearly created to give the virgin geeks something to listen to.

Posted by Eric Draven on Monday, 03.31.08 @ 17:00pm


Hey, who gives a crap about some "Draven" guy? Quite clearly some upper-upper class Linkin Park-fan. Sounds like a virgin himself!

He's obviously a Def Leppard fan. I guess JD's innovation just goes over his head completely.

Posted by Liam on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 06:05am


I am a Kinks fan myself.

Looking at all the comments today, I can see that my analysis of some of the fans of this band were right on.

Thanks Liam.

Posted by Eric Draven on Tuesday, 04.1.08 @ 15:44pm


Hello, "Eric Draven". Can't see Joy Division's musical importance, influence and innovation?

Well, I'd imagine your blind, then.

Posted by Liam on Wednesday, 04.2.08 @ 10:06am


Where's The Mekons and The Au Pairs pages?

Posted by Liam on Wednesday, 04.2.08 @ 10:58am


"Eric Draven", I could argue what constitutes "talent" with you for a life-time without getting anywhere.

I'm just interested to know how a group that single-handedly crossed electronica, heavy metal, punk rock and psychedelic on a single record are "no-talent losers".

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 04.3.08 @ 14:11pm


I honestly think it should be made a punishable offense to release any more Joy Division compilations.

As if Itunes getting New Order to cover Love Will Tear Us Apart wasn't bad enough, London Records decides to fleece potential JD fans by releasing The Best Of Joy Division (and it really isn't) right after (well, not RIGHT after...) the release of the Ian Curtis biopic.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 18:24pm


I respectfully disagree, Liam. New compilation + Control on DVD = biggest possible push for '09 induction! :)

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 05.1.08 @ 00:07am


If they had just, say, bolstered Substance or Permanent with more tracks, I wouldn't have a problem.

It's still not gonna happen. I wish it would, but it ain't gonna.

Posted by Liam on Thursday, 05.1.08 @ 10:25am


As far as a band who really bridged the gap between punk and New Wave, Alternative, etc..., I'd say it would've been these guys. Even though I'm not their biggest fan (although I do like some of their tracks), you can't deny their rather significant influence.

Posted by Gitarzan on Saturday, 06.21.08 @ 13:06pm


Is it theoretically possible to induct Joy Division and New Order at the same time as one act? I mean, they're practically the same band, aren't they? And they more or less did the same thing with Parliament/Funkadelic. Other groups have had far more lineup changes. Just look at Fleetwood Mac; the early Peter Green incarnation has absolutely nothing to with the Rumours era Fleetwood Mac (the drummer was the only constant as far as I know), but still they're regarded (and inducted) as the same band because they kept the name. If JD hadn't changed their name they might have already got in a long time ago.

Posted by denyo on Wednesday, 08.27.08 @ 16:06pm


The Joy Division/New Order issue...

They both richly deserve it. Joy Division was destined to burn out. Unknown Pleasures, Closer, and the surrounding singles are perfectly realized statements. Popular music had rarely been so openly cathartic. A wholly singular and inimitable band; not even bastard child goth rock can kill the sheer power of Joy Division's music.

The thing is, New Order actually had more profound influence as well as social and philosophical ramifications for popular music, specifically rock music. Their implementation of electronic dance music is common language in rock music now. Their embrace of disco/italian disco/post disco, electro, early house, and eventually techno, and their music's effect on some of these forms, is earth shaking. The anonymity they achieved, in which no one member is as prominent as any other both on record and in public, was astounding for such a popular band and was what Joy Division always intended to have. Unfortunately, that anonymity has also proven detrimental; too few people realize how good and important they were in the 1980s, particularly here in the US.

You can't understand either band unless you know both of them. The story didn't end with Ian Curtis. New Order fulfilled all of the promise the post punk generation hoisted upon Joy Division. They must be inducted together.

Smiths fans may disagree but I cannot stress this enough: Joy Division/New Order were the greatest British band of their time and among the most important musical artists of any stock.

Posted by Elastic Man on Friday, 01.16.09 @ 03:32am


Eh, they aren't on the ballot this year :[

Posted by Orion on Friday, 01.16.09 @ 08:08am


I finally had a chance to see the bio-pic on Ian Curtis. Seeing that it is based on a book by his wife, I am not sure we see all sides of the story though. Kind of sad and pathetic all at the same time.

Although I am not the biggest fan of JD, I certainly understand their importance to music and hopefully the Hall will induct them along with the many other snubs.

Posted by Dameon on Tuesday, 01.20.09 @ 20:11pm


Dameon...I'm assuming you're talking about "Control". There's another one out there that is strictly a documentary called "Joy Division" which gives a little bit of a different perspective...really good Rock & Roll viewing...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 01.20.09 @ 20:14pm


I second the recommendation of the documentary. Extensive and very detailed, it's one of the best pure music documentaries out there.

When watching Control, don't consider 100% factual accuracy the benchmark for judging it. The film alters certain events for effectiveness and maintains others; the important thing is it hits the right ideas and doesn't pervert that history. The band members all noted this and praised the film. Thematically it's completely sound. It really just wants to get at what was going on in Ian Curtis' head, not to deify or romanticize what happened to him. I can say from some experience that this is likely an accurate interpretation of what he must have felt at the time. Control wants to reassert the sad reality of his death and strike down this wrong mystifying romanticism some have placed on him.

I would go on to say that it's only second to Todd Haynes' Dylan picture I'm Not There as the best music biopic around.

But see both of them, they do right by their respective subjects.

Posted by Elastic Man on Tuesday, 01.20.09 @ 23:22pm


would go on to say that it's only second to Todd Haynes' Dylan picture I'm Not There as the best music biopic around.

But see both of them, they do right by their respective subjects.

Posted by Elastic Man on Tuesday, 01.20.09 @ 23:22pm\

Are you for real ? I would take the Monkey's TV
show over that ..

"mystifying romanticism some have placed on him'
Like who... get over it .. It is a bunch of nonsense,,,


Posted by mrxyz on Tuesday, 01.20.09 @ 23:32pm


"I wouldn't be surprised if JD had an influence on Nirvana. Kurt Cobain was a big Buzzcocks fan and got them to support Nirvana sometimes, so I;m sure he would have been aware of Joy Division."
Posted by Liam on Friday, 02.29.08 @ 11:23am

As it happens, All-Music Guide mentions in Nirvana's biography them playing Top of the Pops in '92; apparently during it they mocked the miming tradition, and Cobain sang in Ian Curtis' style. I'll see if I can find a clip of it. From their biography of Curtis himself: "From artists as diverse as the Cure and Nirvana, Curtis has inspired countless musicians to bravely explore and express their inner pain." I haven't listened to JD (I have to New Order, and they should absolutely be in) but I will, and if their influence was as much as you lot say then yes they should be in.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 02.13.10 @ 15:12pm


Sam...if you're wondering about Joy Division's influence on Nirvana, a good place to start would be to think of the song "All Apologies", and then listen to "She's Lost Control" by Joy Division...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 02.14.10 @ 21:16pm


First listen to JD, Gitarzan. It started and musically no similarities, so I thought "What the hell is he talking about?" Then I pulled up the lyrics and the similarities in terms of themes and feelings of guilt are striking. Good song. I'll keep going with them. Thanks, gotta go.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 02.19.10 @ 17:18pm


Rock & Roll Jeopardy
Category: If They Collaboreted

If Joy Division were to do a song with INXS, it would be called...

What is "Love Will Never Tear Us Apart"

(Note: Both Ian Curtis and Michael Hutchence died by hanging themselves)

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 03.18.10 @ 21:31pm


YES! Excellent connection. It would be a cool song too, as neither song sounds at all alike.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 03.19.10 @ 20:32pm


Sam...had a wild experience this morning. I walked into a Shell conveniece store that I frequent, and "Love will Tear Us Apart" was playing on their music system. I just never expect to hear Joy Division much (which is a shame), so I thought that was pretty cool...

Posted by Gitarzan on Tuesday, 05.11.10 @ 19:57pm


Wow... That's bizarre. I have never heard them played in a store, never at an event or party, and never on the radio except when I listened to a BBC 6 Music podcast ("24 Hours".) Save 6 Music!

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 05.13.10 @ 21:16pm


Joy Division were like no other, and produced some amazing songs in just under 3 years.
After 30+ years their music sounds better than ever, and still sets the benchmark for all other alternative bands.

Posted by Paul on Friday, 05.14.10 @ 15:47pm


Watched "Control" yesterday, and I highly reccomend it. Gives some insight into what was going on in Ian's head, and I feel even more sorry for him and his wife after watching it. Also an excellent but tragic examination of the human weaknesses.

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 05.23.10 @ 21:08pm


They sound average at best. I can't stand the vocals. They're overrated. Now they have a few good songs, but Ian Curtis vocals aren't very good. I can understand them getting in because of all the bands they influenced, but they are hugely overrated.

Posted by Gordon on Tuesday, 06.8.10 @ 00:20am


Fine, I can see that (though just like Cobain and Dylan, Ian was technically limited, and in spite of that all three found much more to say than Brad Delp or Celine Dion.) A much more reasonable post than the one on the Oasis page anyhow, though really the American public underrates them by ignoring them (though Liam or Kit wouldnt've hesitated and would've just verbally kicked your ass right away.)

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 06.8.10 @ 16:49pm


Just discovered they even influenced Moby:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RouLHkCwVaw&feature=related

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 06.10.10 @ 14:42pm


Yeah, now THAT's something to be proud of.

/sarcasm

Posted by Moe on Thursday, 06.10.10 @ 14:44pm


(Yawn.) It doesn't matter whether the artists in question are bad (Moby's pretty good, by the way), it means that they've met the criteria. Would you hold Warrant against Van Halen, or Foreigner against the Rolling Stones?

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 06.16.10 @ 18:56pm


all of this facts just proves that JD couldve been better than any band will ever be because they infleunced pretty much all the major bands we have/had, they saved a genre that was on decline, they sort of invented some more and were just really good and to this day im still amazed that neither JD or NO are not in the HoF :P

Posted by alex on Sunday, 06.20.10 @ 19:35pm


"all of this facts just proves that JD couldve been better than any band will ever be"

Certainly

"because they infleunced pretty much all the major bands we have/had"

I'm afraid not. They didn't even influence all the good ones.

"they saved a genre that was on decline, they sort of invented some more and were just really good"

No they didn't, yes you might be able to say they did and yes they were

Posted by Sam on Monday, 06.21.10 @ 18:04pm


This omission is baffling, and is the very definition of snobbery (as opposed to the format in which Foreigner fans use it, and in those contexts it's called "reverse snobbery".) They certainly have influence, even on U2. Innovation? Bounds of it. They did have plenty of great songs. They were at the front of a new movement. They had plenty of songs that did, in the traditional sense, rock ("Digital", "Dead Souls") and they were a very powerful live act:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCVHAjTBb1U&feature=related

Clearly they are just being punished by their lack of Stateside success, and because people like Dave Marsh don't understand it. My God, if Ian, Peter, Bernard and Steven end up not in while Shania Twain and the Backstreet Boys are in (shudder), then I will... Do something that will be unfortunate and will be talked about for years to come.

Posted by Sam on Saturday, 07.3.10 @ 14:42pm


Yeah I'm more than a bit surprised they haven't even been considered. I'm still not that worried though, I think their chances are good and one can only hope it'll happen soon.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 07.11.10 @ 01:35am


I think they'll eventually be inducted but under the umbrella of Joy Division/New Order like they are in the UK Music HOF.

Posted by Matt Love on Sunday, 07.11.10 @ 05:46am


Actually I think they have the same chance of being inducted as the Spice Girls at this point, since the current regime clearly doesn't get post-punk or indie. My feelings regarding this will be confirmed if they go without being nominated again this year, because that's the only way I feel the chance (or a joint induction with New Order like Matt Love said, though I'd prefer that didn't happen.) However, I'm holding out some hope that New Order's brief amount of Stateside success will be enough to get them in eventually, in which case the best case scenario will be to do a joint induction (even though that's kind of like inducting Nirvana and the Foo Fighters together.)

Posted by Sam on Sunday, 07.11.10 @ 15:35pm


The U.K. Music Hall of Fame inducted them as Joy Division/New Order a few years ago! I doubt The Rock Hall will play that game.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 11:13am


Joy Division

Bernard Albrecht
Ian Curtis
Peter Hook
Stephen Morris
Steve Brotherdale

New Order

Peter Hook
Stephen Morris
Phil Cunningham
Bernard Sumner
Gillian Gilbert

They should be inducted twice!

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 11:18am


Bernard Albrecht and Bernard Sumner are the same person.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 16:26pm


The U.K. Music Hall of Fame inducted them as Joy Division/New Order a few years ago! I doubt The Rock Hall will play that game.

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 07.14.10 @ 11:14am

Well the Rock Hall did induct The Young Rascals/The Rascals as The (Young) Rascals. Yes, that is how they have them listed on their site.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 07.15.10 @ 09:13am


Joy Division/New Order inductees

Ian Curtis
Peter Hook
Stephen Morris
Steve Brotherdale
Phil Cunningham
Gillian Gilbert
Bernard Albrecht/Bernard Sumner

Posted by Roy on Friday, 07.16.10 @ 15:37pm


Since when did you become such a post punk fanantic, Roy?

Or are we just trying to score brownie points with the peanut gallery??

Posted by joker on Friday, 07.16.10 @ 15:48pm


Not! Just Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Roy on Friday, 07.16.10 @ 16:15pm


There is a possibility they will be inducted as Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.19.10 @ 08:54am


A-HA! It's been done before, and this indeed will be the case for Joy Division and New Order. The group Parliament, who changed its name to Funkadelic, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as Parliament-Funkadelic and they had 16 members inducted, the most of any group in the Rock Hall. So Joy Division and New Order will be inducted as Joy Division-New Order or Joy Division/New Order, and they will have 7 inductees.

Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.19.10 @ 12:21pm


A-HA! It's been done before, and this indeed will be the case for Joy Division and New Order. The group Parliament, who changed its name to Funkadelic, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as Parliament-Funkadelic and they had 16 members inducted, the most of any group in the Rock Hall. So Joy Division and New Order will be inducted as Joy Division-New Order or Joy Division/New Order, and they will have 7 inductees. They were inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame as Joy Division/New Order a few years ago. When they get nominated/inducted into the Rock Hall, their pages and the comments on Future Rock Rock Legends will have to be merged into one page.

The Inductees:

Joy Division/New Order

Ian Curtis
Peter Hook
Stephen Morris
Steve Brotherdale
Phil Cunningham
Gillian Gilbert
Bernard Albrecht/Bernard Sumner

Posted by Roy on Monday, 07.19.10 @ 13:13pm


Parliament - 9 Studio Albums
Funkadelic - 14 Studio Albums

Nominated and Inducted as Parliament-Funkadelic

Joy Division - 2 Studio Albums
New Order - 9 Studio Albums

They should be nominated and inducted as Joy Division-New Order

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 07.25.10 @ 12:05pm


Joy Division and New Order are (and were meant to be) two seperate entities. When they were inducted, it wasn't Talking Heads/Tom Tom Club, was it? Parliament/Funkedelic were the same band recording under different record labels (you'll have to ask George Clinton why!).

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 07.25.10 @ 12:20pm


But they were inducted into the now defunct UK Music Hall of Fame as Joy Division/New Order.

New Order was a continuation of Joy Division, and had most of the same members.

The Talking Heads and the Tom Tom Club were two completely separate groups. Only 2 of the 4 members of Talking Heads were a part of the 10 members of Tom Tom Club.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 07.25.10 @ 12:34pm


Yeah, I agree with Gitarzan and also, Roy, just because you mentioned Joy Division, New Order and Parliament-Funkadelic in a post why do you feel the need to post the EXACT same thing on all three of their pages on this site? I'm not criticizing you personally but it seems slightly neurotic and you're not exactly adding to the discussion by multiplying a post 3 times..

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Sunday, 07.25.10 @ 12:37pm


Joy Division members only

Ian Curtis
Steve Brotherdale

Joy Division/New Order members

Peter Hook
Stephen Morris
Bernard Albrecht/Bernard Sumner

New Order members only

Phil Cunningham
Gillian Gilbert

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 07.25.10 @ 12:44pm



They were inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame as Joy Division/New Order in 2005. Induction speech by actor John Simm. Joy Division/New Order performed Regret and Love Will Tear Us Apart.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 08.19.10 @ 13:28pm


It's been done before, and this indeed will be the case for Joy Division and New Order. The group Parliament, who changed its name to Funkadelic, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as Parliament-Funkadelic and they had 16 members inducted, the most of any group in the Rock Hall. So Joy Division and New Order will be inducted as Joy Division-New Order or Joy Division/New Order, and they will have 7 inductees.

They were inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame as Joy Division/New Order in 2005. Induction speech by actor John Simm. Joy Division/New Order performed Regret and Love Will Tear Us Apart.

Parliament - 9 Studio Albums
Funkadelic - 14 Studio Albums

Nominated and Inducted as Parliament-Funkadelic

Joy Division - 2 Studio Albums
New Order - 9 Studio Albums

They should be nominated and inducted as Joy Division-New Order

Joy Division members only

Ian Curtis
Steve Brotherdale

Joy Division/New Order members

Peter Hook
Stephen Morris
Bernard Albrecht/Bernard Sumner

New Order members only

Phil Cunningham
Gillian Gilbert

Posted by Roy on Friday, 09.17.10 @ 04:31am


The original version of "Love Will Tear Us Apart" is way too slow for my liking, and it just doesn't connect with me. The BBC Sessions Version is the one I listen to; that's where I feel the emotion Ian put into it, and on top of that you figure out that Stephen is criminally underestimated as a drummer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ii8m1jgn_M&feature=player_embedded

Posted by Sam on Monday, 10.11.10 @ 11:27am


Live interview with Joy Division/New Order co-founder Peter Hook

Time
Tuesday, November 30 · 7:00pm - 9:00pm
Location Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum
1100 Rock and Roll Boulevard
Cleveland, OH
Created By
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame + Museum
More Info **This event is free with a reservation. Please email edu@rockhall.org or call (216) 515-8426 to RSVP. This event will also be live streamed on rockhall.com.**

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum is pleased to welcome Peter Hook, co-founder of post-punk bands Joy Division and New Order, for a special Legends Series interview on Tuesday, November 30 at 7 p.m. in the Rock Hall’s Foster Theater.

Hook will be interviewed by the Rock Hall’s Director of Education Jason Hanley. Questions will be taken from the audience at the end of the interview. Hook will also be performing a selection of songs from Joy Division’s seminal album, Unknown Pleasures. This event is free with a reservation. Please email eduatrockhalldotorg or call (216) 515-8426 to RSVP. This event will be live streamed on rockhalldotcom.

Born in 1956 in Salford, England, legendary bass guitarist Peter Hook remains energetically devoted to music, rock and roll and the experiences that his three decade career has given him with bands like Joy Division and New Order, which he co-founded, as well as Revenge, Monaco and Freebass. He is also the director of the infamous Fac 51 The Hacienda and manager of the Manchester indie venue the Factory.

A well respected rock and roll icon, Hook is known for his droning bass lines which dominated the sounds of Joy Division and New Order. He overcame the trend of badly tuned guitars during the punk rock era and made the throbbing beat of the bass stress the importance of rhythm. Hook has become synonymous with the Manchester music scene and what it represents culturally. As a DJ, he is one of the most sought after in the world, both as himself and also with the revived Haçienda, and he continues to record and produce new music.

Most recently Hook has opened a new chapter on his life, as a critically acclaimed author with his honest to account of the turbulent times of the Haçienda years in the critically acclaimed The Haçienda – How Not To Run A Club. He is also presently writing his second book on Joy Division and plans a book to follow on New Order.

Having decided to commemorate the 30 year anniversary of Joy Division lead vocalist Ian Curtis’ passing by performing Unknown Pleasures in two charity supporting concerts at The Factory in Manchester with his band The Light, the band has been invited from around the world for these special concerts and over the Summer of 2010.

Over September and October 2010 Hooky and the Light undertook sold out tours of Australia, New Zealand and Spain before performing a three date tour of Italy in late November prior to this coast to coast tour of The States. Next year, the group will tour Europe in February 2011 and begin writing and recording new material.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum has a spotlight exhibit on Joy Division and New Order in the Ahmet M. Ertegun Main Exhibit Hall. Featured in the exhibit is Peter Hook’s bass guitar, Bernard Sumner’s acoustic guitar, concert posters, ticket stubs, original handwritten lyrics to songs like “Love Will Tear Us Apart” and “Blue Monday” and more.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum has FREE educational offerings year round. Additional adult education programs include From Songwriters to Soundmen: The People Behind the Hits, which gives audiences an inside look at aspects of the music business that are often concealed from view, and Rock and Roll Night School, which gives interested adults the opportunity to expand their rock and roll-related knowledge.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 03:48am


http://rockhall.com/event/legends-series-featuring-joy-d/

It's starting to look like they will indeed be inducted into The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame as Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 10:06am


Legends Series Featuring Joy Division/New Order Co-Founder Peter Hook

Tuesday, November 30: 7 p.m.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum is pleased to welcome Peter Hook, co-founder of post-punk bands Joy Division and New Order, for a special Legends Series interview on Tuesday, November 30 at 7 p.m. in the Rock Hall’s Foster Theater.

Hook will be interviewed by the Rock Hall’s Director of Education Jason Hanley. Questions will be taken from the audience at the end of the interview. Hook will also be performing a selection of songs from Joy Division’s seminal album, Unknown Pleasures.

THIS EVENT IS AT CAPACITY. Please email edu@rockhall.org or call (216) 515-8426 to RSVP for the waiting list should any seats become available.

This event will be live streamed on rockhall.com.

Born in 1956 in Salford, England, legendary bass guitarist Peter Hook remains energetically devoted to music, rock and roll and the experiences that his three decade career has given him with bands like Joy Division and New Order, which he co-founded, as well as Revenge, Monaco and Freebass. He is also the director of the infamous Fac 51 The Hacienda and manager of the Manchester indie venue the Factory.

A well respected rock and roll icon, Hook is known for his droning bass lines which dominated the sounds of Joy Division and New Order. He overcame the trend of badly tuned guitars during the punk rock era and made the throbbing beat of the bass stress the importance of rhythm. Hook has become synonymous with the Manchester music scene and what it represents culturally. As a DJ, he is one of the most sought after in the world, both as himself and also with the revived Haçienda, and he continues to record and produce new music.

Most recently Hook has opened a new chapter on his life, as a critically acclaimed author with his honest to account of the turbulent times of the Haçienda years in the critically acclaimed The Haçienda – How Not To Run A Club. He is also presently writing his second book on Joy Division and plans a book to follow on New Order.

Having decided to commemorate the 30 year anniversary of Joy Division lead vocalist Ian Curtis’ passing by performing Unknown Pleasures in two charity supporting concerts at The Factory in Manchester with his band The Light, the band has been invited from around the world for these special concerts and over the Summer of 2010.

Over September and October 2010 Hooky and the Light undertook sold out tours of Australia, New Zealand and Spain before performing a three date tour of Italy in late November prior to this coast to coast tour of The States. Next year, the group will tour Europe in February 2011 and begin writing and recording new material.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum has a spotlight exhibit on Joy Division and New Order in the Ahmet M. Ertegun Main Exhibit Hall. Featured in the exhibit is Peter Hook’s bass guitar, Bernard Sumner’s acoustic guitar, concert posters, ticket stubs, original handwritten lyrics to songs like “Love Will Tear Us Apart” and “Blue Monday” and more.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 11.23.10 @ 21:26pm


Seeing how the Rock Hall referred to them Joy Division/New Order when announcing that Peter Hook would be visiting the museum, it seems likely that that is how they will be inducted: Joy Division/New Order. That's how they were inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.3.10 @ 08:34am


Knowing the hall Joy division and other deserving alternative bands will be passed over for some obscure 60's act or some crap like KISS.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 01.8.11 @ 06:50am


http://rockhall.com/photo-gallery/legends-series-featuring/2563/#first_content

The exhibit at the Rock Hall says Joy Division / New Order.

This is a sign! This is how they will indeed be nominated and inducted.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 01.16.11 @ 07:09am


Bernard's Rock Hall Trophy will read:

Joy Division/New Order
Bernard Albrecht/Sumner

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 01.16.11 @ 07:27am


15 out of the 16 inductees were members of both Parliament and Funkadelic. Glenn Lamont Goins was only a member of Parliament. I wonder if his trophy read Parliament-Funkadelic or just Parliament.

And if Joy Division and New Order are indeed nominated and inducted as Joy Division/New Order will the trophies of the inductees who were members of Joy Division only, read Joy Division only? And will the trophies of the inductees who were members of New Order only, read New Order only?

Maybe the Rock Hall will go so far as nominating both Joy Division and New Order separately on the same ballot, the same year, and inducting them the same year, with Peter Hook, Stephen Morris, and Bernard Albrecht/Sumner joining the group of artists who have been inducted more than once into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Plus, joining Stephen Stills as the only artists inducted into the Rock Hall twice in the same year. I wonder if the voters would vote for both Joy Division and New Order if they are on the same ballot.

Joy Division members only

Ian Curtis
Steve Brotherdale

Joy Division/New Order members

Peter Hook
Stephen Morris
Bernard Albrecht/Bernard Sumner

New Order members only

Phil Cunningham
Gillian Gilbert

Posted by Roy on Friday, 01.21.11 @ 04:05am


Seeing how the Rock Hall referred to them Joy Division/New Order when announcing that Peter Hook would be visiting the museum, it seems likely that that is how they will be inducted: Joy Division/New Order. That's how they were inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame.

Posted by Roy on Friday, 12.3.10 @ 08:34am

They'll probably go that way (if they induct them at all, which at this point they should do ASAP) but the two really should be inducted separately. This is not the same type of situation as Parliament-Funkadelic where it actually made more sense.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 03.14.11 @ 11:56am


"I wonder if the voters would vote for both Joy Division and New Order if they are on the same ballot." - Roy

I don't trust them to... I think if both were there it would be a split vote or neither of them would get many votes. One of them needs to end up on the ballot, it doesn't matter which. It would be easier to have a joint ballot, but it doesn't make sense as they were completely different bands.

I doubt Phil Cunningham would be inducted... the band was still relevant when they split but any albums he played on weren't really.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 03.29.11 @ 09:57am


New Order/Joy Division should be inducted together. They are well qualified to be in the hall of fame...

Posted by Sup on Thursday, 03.31.11 @ 17:08pm


They deserve to be in already, hopefully next year, though seeing the halls love for R&B groups (seriously, for a "rock" hall there are a shitload of R&B groups!)

Posted by GFW on Sunday, 05.8.11 @ 13:33pm


Sam - I understand that they are completely different bands, but I have seen videos/set-lists online of New Order and they play a ton of Joy Division songs. Also I think the best way to represent both would be to induct them as one, similarly to Parliament-Funkadelic.

GFW - I agree that Joy Division needs to get in like now, but I have no problem with the number of r&b acts in. R&B is just another part of Rock 'n' Roll!

Posted by Gassman on Sunday, 05.8.11 @ 13:52pm


This is an interesting one. Some really great, distinctive songs. Also very influential. But their career may be too brief. Compare them with another band with a simlarly short career, the Sex Pistols, and in terms of influence and historical impact, Joy Division doesn't measure up. It's close. A combined Joy Division/New Order would work, but not sure if they can be realistically combined.

Posted by astrodog on Tuesday, 08.2.11 @ 23:31pm


Except that the Pistols had one album that still brings about debate as to whether or not it's more influential than good (the NME website used this line when they cited NMTB as one of the Sacred Cows; I don't go with this line of thought). I think they deserved their induction regardless, but only one album; JD had two and both are quite rightly considered classics. Not to mention An Ideal For Living and the non-album singles.*

*not including LWTUA; if ever a sacred cow needed tipping over...

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 08.4.11 @ 17:13pm


Sam:

I think what got the Sex Pistols inducted was that they made a impact during their existence as a band in the United States. Joy Division on the other hand was just about to embark on their first tour of the United States when Ian committed suicide. Can you really name a a non-American act that is in the Hall of Fame, but never had a big splash in the United States during their existence as act?

Regardless of this point, Joy Division is still one of the biggest Hall of Fame subs up there with Kraftwerk, Deep Purple and etc.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 08.4.11 @ 17:20pm


The Sex Pistols had a massive historicl impact. You don't have to slog through "England's Dreaming" to believe that. They even influenced Joy Division. That influence got them inducted right or wrong. Once you concede that Joy Division doesn't share nearly that level of influence, you take away a significant rationale that would justify their induction despite a too brief career.
It doesn't matter. I still have a bunch of JD songs on my ipod. :)

Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 08.4.11 @ 23:58pm


"Can you really name a a non-American act that is in the Hall of Fame, but never had a big splash in the United States during their existence as act?"

Well no, fair point. If Kraftwerk can't get in...

I agree with everything astrodog says, but JD's influence is still high, even on the American post-punk revival. I could even name HOF inductees that don't share the impact of either group if it helps. You lost me with the Dead Kennedys bit, however.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 08.5.11 @ 05:24am


Sam, a little off topic, but have you heard the new song by the Studio Killers called 'Ode to the Bouncer'?

If you have, wondering what your opinion is.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 08.5.11 @ 07:19am


Never heard of them.

"So in your broken home/he broke all your bones/now you're taking it time after time/oh what turns you on, onnnnn/now he has gone/oh what turns you on, onnnn/now the animal's gone" (Also off topic, but who cares)

Posted by Sam on Friday, 08.5.11 @ 10:32am


Sam, you should check it out. Try Google. The video is pretty far out.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 08.5.11 @ 14:51pm


I'd like to know what everyone thinks of this:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/blogs/thread-count/disney-launches-a-joy-division-inspired-mickey-mouse-tee-20120123

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 01.25.12 @ 12:24pm


I find it rather amusing, peter hooks fine with it as long as they send some money to an epilepsy charity as they didn't ask him about it, he does the same with joy division bootleggers.

Posted by GFW on Wednesday, 01.25.12 @ 12:39pm


JOINT INDUCTIONS: What Was/What Should Have Been/And What Will Be

01. 1996 - Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship
02. 1997 - The (Young) Rascals
03. 1997 - Parliament/Funkadelic
04. 2012 - The Small Faces/The Faces
05. 20?? - Joy Division/New Order
06. 20?? - Wham!/George Michael

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 01.28.12 @ 06:41am


Steve Brotherdale - Brotherdale bailed after a few demos, and he was not present on any of their proper releases, not even on the aberrant and reluctantly released Warsaw.

Posted by CCJR on Monday, 02.13.12 @ 21:34pm


THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Joy Division/New Order

01. Ian Curtis (Joy Division)
02. Peter Hook (Joy Division/New Order)
03. Stephen Morris (Joy Division/New Order)
04. Bernard Albrecht/Sumner (Joy Division/New Order)
05. Gillian Gilbert (New Order)

Posted by Roy on Monday, 02.13.12 @ 22:01pm


Yeah, not cool folks. I do not look kindly upon plagiarism. Philip: To answer the question you posted, I could go either way on this one. It WOULD take awhile to get them both in seperately, and I doubt the Hall would do it. As for their sound: Nothing alike. You don't have to look far for proof, just to the biggest singles by both bands. Love Will Tear Us Apart sounds nothing like Regret (New Order's biggest Stateshide hit) or World In Motion, the (strangely) biggest hit in the UK for NO. The only full studio albums I know are Power Corruption & Lies and Low-Life; both fantastic and highly recommended, but sound nothing like JD's two albums.

Saying that, it's difficult to argue against it apart from the difference in sound. Three of the same members, and Gillian Gilbert even played with JD a couple times. Although both bands are important and groundbreaking for different reasons, their impact HAS hit similar spots: The Cure, Moby, U2, Pulp, Nine Inch Nails and Depeche Mode are among the acts who have either cited both as an influence or owe a debt (either directly or indirectly) to both. Ok, not sure about DM, but the rest definitely. I'd still rather both were honored seperately, but after what happened this past year it wouldn't bother me too much.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 02.27.12 @ 18:53pm


Sam, would you say that the difference in sounds could also be fairly easily attributed to the just the natural evolution of a band's style? That was my big point with the (Small) Faces. The "First Step" LP definitely shows the evolution and how it came about for that band to go from one "era" to the "next".

Posted by Philip on Tuesday, 02.28.12 @ 20:37pm


Sorry Philip, didn't see that you'd replied. I'll need to listen to Movement again to fully answer the question, but the one time I heard it I didn't hear a natural evolution; I heard three guys in the shadow of what they'd done before and mostly struggling to step out on their own. First single? Ceremony, a JD tune that had been played live but not yet released. Procession, the second single, is something I hadn't actually heard until I sought it out for this. It sounds like they're beginning to find themselves, with one foot still firmly in the past; as in, some of the JD sounds are still there but some of the parts that would define what was to come dominate the proceedings. For the chorus Hooky's bass switches from his trademark sound into something new; still a dominating soundscape and slightly rumbly, but a richer and less dark sound. The synths were already there in JD, but here they're a more important part of the sound, and again, sound warmer. The guitar and the drum sounds have mostly come together, but Bernard is still lacking confidence in his voice. He's trying to match Ian's lyrical style and I'm not sure it's fully cohesive with the music. After this they went to New York, became fascinated by hip-hop and electronic music and decided that should be their new direction. The result was Everything's Gone Green (released 9 months after Ceremony), where they truly came into their own and found something that was entirely their own.

So yes and no. Depends on the debut album, as I said.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 03.19.12 @ 19:35pm


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/new-order-life-after-death-20120518

New Order: Life After Death
Rolling Stone's 1983 feature on the band's rebirth after the suicide of Joy Division frontman Ian Curtis

By Debby Miller
May 18, 2012 12:05 PM ET
This story is from the September 15th, 1983 issue of Rolling Stone.

May 19th, 1980, was no ordinary Monday for the members of Joy Division. Bags were packed and goodbyes had been said. They were ready to leave for America, on their first rock & roll tour abroad. They had finished a new single, its title etched across a gravestone on the sleeve: Love Will Tear us Apart.

But Joy Division – such a weird name for a group known for gloomy music and the forlorn voice of its singer – never left England that blue Monday. There was something about the promise of the trip that made lead singer Ian Curtis put a noose around his neck and hang himself the evening before. More goodbyes.

"On Sunday morning, I was turning my trousers up. Monday, I was screaming," remembers the band's drummer, Stephen Morris.

But Joy Division would soon become well known in America anyway – both for "Love Will Tear Us Apart," one of the most influential songs of the past years, and for Curtis' suicide, which put a lasting chill into the band's legacy.

With Curtis' death, Joy Division, which is what the prostitutes' area of Nazi concentration camps was called, officially came to an end. "I must admit Ian was the charismatic individual in the band," says Martin Hannett, the producer of the band's records. Because Curtis had been the focus of the first group, the three remaining members reorganized as New Order.

"There's life and there's death. We were still alive, so we thought we'd carry on doing it," says Morris. With a keyboardist added and guitarist Bernard Sumner taking over as lead singer, New Order is still very much an extension of Joy Division: like uncluttered landscapes in dark colors, New Order's music remains more mood than melody.

In Britain, partly by unwittingly riding the coattails of the synth-based pop bands, New Order has become one of the first-rank rock groups – the thinking man's Human League. In America, clubs are playing the band's twelve-inch dance single "Blue Monday" (which sold over a quarter of a million copies in England) and are beginning to break what may be the group's biggest stateside hit, "Confusion." That last and much ballyhooed dance track is the result of a collaboration with producer Arthur Baker, master of the New York street sound and the man responsible for the recent hits "PlanetRock," "Candy Girl" and "I.O.U."

Record buyers are also sniffing at a well-reviewed new album of uncharacteristically frisky music, Power, Corruption & Lies, New Order's second and best L.P. To promote it, the band just made its second tour of America – only a small block of dates, by necessity.

"We don't have a major record company that gives us cocaine at the end of the tour," explains a downright cheery Stephen Morris, relaxing on a rainy night in June after a sold-out show at First Avenue, a huge Minneapolis club. The band's keyboard player, Gillian Gilbert, who lives with Morris in Manchester, was back in the room after a bit of "puddling" through the soaked parking lot at the Ambassador Motel.

The Minneapolis show had been, well, a bit somber. When few in the audience seemed moved by the new song "Thieves Like Us," Bernard Sumner – he's using that surname after having tired of Dickens (his family name) and Albrecht (his former stage name) – fairly spat out, "If you didn't like that, you must be Americans." Many seemed disappointed that the band wasn't a sad-faced Duran Duran, a party animal; more seemed upset that they didn't play the Joy Division songs.

"We did 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' once, on the anniversary of Ian's death," says the tall, thin Morris, whose drumming – a human sound that plays against the keyboard electronics – is really the band's signature. "But Joy Division doesn't exist anymore, and it would be foolish to kid people into believing it does."

Although a dark cloud still seems to hover over their music, their newest material is pointedly dance-oriented. "I'm not saying we play disco music," says Morris, "but there are some interesting time signatures knocking about in our songs." New Order wanted – and got – a true dance mix for "Confusion," the single they made with Arthur Baker, whose "Planet Rock" they'd admired.

"The fact that they make depressing-sounding records isn't what attracted me to them," says Baker. "But once we got in the studio, I used that the way I would use it in one of my own songs. I really do not write happy music myself. My songs are based in reality, on human situations. And that's what I liked about their stuff."

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 05.20.12 @ 21:58pm


http://rockhall.com/photo-gallery/legends-series-featuring/2563/

Here it is: Joy Division / New Order exhibit at the Rock Hall Museum in Cleveland.

THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES

Joy Division/New Order

01. Ian Curtis (Joy Division)
02. Peter Hook (Joy Division/New Order)
03. Stephen Morris (Joy Division/New Order)
04. Bernard Albrecht/Sumner (Joy Division/New Order)
05. Gillian Gilbert (New Order)

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 08.19.12 @ 21:23pm


If any post punk band could get in, it'd be Joy Division. Sadly, the Hall has an antipathy towards post-punk that rivals only their utter dismissal of progressive rock, arena rock and anything approximating heavy metal.

Posted by Hunter Morrow on Tuesday, 09.3.13 @ 08:43am


http://rockhall.com/photo-gallery/legends-series-featuring/2563/

The Hall has no problem with Joy Division / New Order. That is how they will be nominated and inducted. They already have an exhibit. Check it out.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 09.3.13 @ 09:06am


They should have been inducted a loooooong time ago.

Posted by BulmaPunkRocker on Sunday, 07.6.14 @ 23:19pm


They should be inducted as Joy Division/New Order

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 04.10.16 @ 09:36am


Joy Of Cooking

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 08.30.16 @ 21:19pm


Should be nominated and inducted as Joy Division/New Order.

Posted by Roy on Tuesday, 01.10.17 @ 04:48am


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