John Mellencamp

Rock & Roll Hall of Famer

Category: Performer

Inducted in: 2008

Inducted by: Billy Joel

Nominated in: 2004   2006   2008

First Eligible: 2002 Ceremony


Inducted into Rock Hall Projected in 2011 (ranked #228) .


Essential Albums (?)WikipediaAmazon MP3Amazon CD
American Fool (1982)
Scarecrow (1985)

Essential Songs (?)WikipediaAmazon MP3YouTube
Jack And Diane (1982)
Hurts So Good (1982)
Pink Houses (1983)
Authority Song (1983)
R.O.C.K. In The U.S.A. (1985)
Small Town (1985)

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246 comments so far (post your own)

Way overdue. And not even in the 2007 ballot. *sigh*

Posted by DJ Dave M on Wednesday, 11.1.06 @ 08:56am


Definitely overdue. Does anyone know how to petition the hall?

Posted by MJL on Tuesday, 11.7.06 @ 21:44pm


That new Chevy commercial officially killed his chances for ever getting inducted. Sorry, John Mellencamp. It's not your fault, but you should have learned from the "Like a Rock" campaign that Chevy will play these things to death.

Posted by c.w. on Wednesday, 11.15.06 @ 08:30am


AMERICAN TREASURE AND ICON, please, WAY TOO LONG OVER DUE....

Posted by Sherri on Tuesday, 01.9.07 @ 07:56am


You almost think that its some sort of state jealousy and Ohio doesn't want some guy from Indiana to get in. Support your Midwestern neighbor and get him in there.

Posted by Mari on Tuesday, 01.9.07 @ 15:17pm


We do not decide it in Ohio. It is the idiots in New York who do. We do not even get the induction ceremony in Cleveland. Todd Rundgren is not in it too. They should move the hall to New York where they want it.

Posted by Jack on Wednesday, 01.10.07 @ 04:39am


Wannabe.... corporate rock, not influential...don't put him in.......

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 02.10.07 @ 18:56pm


I don't like the phrase corporate rock, it's used when people don't want to give details as to why they don't like something, a lot like "sellout". Mellencamp was a good songwriter in the regonalist/Americana tradition of Springsteen and Seger, but I think he falls short of Hall Standards. That Chevy commercial sure isn't helping him, that's for sure.

Posted by Kit on Saturday, 02.10.07 @ 22:29pm


Well, let me explain it then...lets see when he came out he was "John Cougar" - WHY?? Then he eventually went to "John Mellencamp." His songs were okay, but were very much pop top 40 like hits. I just don't think his on par with acts like Simon and Garfunkel, Springsteen, etc. In fact, he is not even close....

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 02.11.07 @ 06:52am


The John Cougar thing was something his manager came up with without even telling him. Mellencamp didn't even know about it until the album came out.

Posted by Kit on Sunday, 02.11.07 @ 11:31am


Likely story...in any case, the main point is that he is not on par with the "classics" in that genre - it is as simple as that. But, if he did get in, that would be fine b/c he is talented.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 02.11.07 @ 17:30pm


Likely because it's true, and I agree.

Posted by Kit on Sunday, 02.11.07 @ 18:28pm


How can he not be in? One of the major artists from the early eighties through the nineties. If he is not in,he must have pissed off somebody.

Posted by me2 on Wednesday, 02.14.07 @ 09:55am


He has been a very influential rock artist almost right from the start of his career. It's completely ridiculous that he hasn't been inducted yet.

Posted by Christina on Sunday, 02.25.07 @ 07:42am


Yeah, Johnny Cougar's "I Need a Lover" really changed the face of rock and roll.

Posted by Dezmond on Sunday, 02.25.07 @ 14:45pm


The failure to include Mellencamp in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is outrageous. He has been an incredibly gifted and prolific songwriter and performer for over a quarter of a century. His live shows have always been generously long, energetic and exciting. He was at the forefront of the music scene at the time of the MTV explosion with great tunes and videos; and he has just kept cranking out the music. When you're one of the best of your generation and have incredible staying power; you belong in the Hall. There is no rational basis for keeping him out when contemporaries like Petty and Seger are in.

Posted by john on Wednesday, 02.28.07 @ 14:47pm


Mellencamp should be in the hall of fame for one reason.HE DESERVES IT.

Posted by Larry on Monday, 03.12.07 @ 20:28pm


Hey "Anonymous": keeping John mellencamp out for your resons reeks of rock snobbery. So he's not seated beside the Church of Rock patron saints like Dylan, Springsteen and The Stones -- so, who is? They are mythical icons, the very rarest. Mellencamp is surely at LEAST eye to eye with Billy Joel, Bob Seger, ZZ Top, Blondie, Van Halen, etc. No classics? How can you hear Jack and Diane, Pink Houses, Small Town, Hurts So Good, R.O.C.K. in the U.S.A., Jackie Brown and not recognize American staples that stand the test of time? Everything he's done since Scarecrow is heartland America eloquence, sagacious and insightful and just good shit. He's managed to put out powerful, interesting stuff for 3 decades; give he man the respect he sorely deserves.

Posted by Shawn on Tuesday, 03.13.07 @ 00:10am


BY KIT: "Likely because it's true, and I agree"

That is what he claims regarding using the name "Cougar." Which I do not buy. He may have been "pressured", but he knew - c'mon. In any event, when the next album came out - why not go to John Mellencamp if he was confident in the music? Instead he kept the three names succumbing to "corporate" pressure. I guess he did not know about that either (note sarcasm).

Definitely corporate rock - I rest my case!

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 03.16.07 @ 17:44pm


When you write songs that say: "Don't you feel Jesus in a small town" that just does not seem to cut it for me - was he backed by the Republican party on that one?

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 03.16.07 @ 17:47pm


Actually, I think the quote is "taught to fear Jesus in a small town." And JCM hasn't been backed by the Republican party in a long, long time. He has been one of the most ardent critics of the Bush administration and the war in Iraq.

Posted by KC on Monday, 03.19.07 @ 15:24pm


Either way...all that Jesus talk in Rock music makes me feel icky..........

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 03.20.07 @ 12:39pm


He deserves it. Quick Fact: Dylan called JM for advice on his own songs. Tell me that someone who Dylan calls to get advice on music shouldn't be in the Hall. Crazy.

Posted by JenMI on Thursday, 03.29.07 @ 07:57am


How do you know he did that? Did you tap the phone?

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 03.29.07 @ 11:39am


John Mellencamp on George HW Bush:
"He ain't-a gonna help no women/He ain't-a gonna help no children/He ain't-a gonna help no poor man/He just gonna help his good friends".

John Mellencamp on Ronald Reagan:
"He picked our bones and threw 'em in his stew/Thank God he went back to California."

John Mellencamp on the current war:
"Be careful of those that kill in Jesus's name/He don't believe in killin' at all."

John Mellencamp on the current president:
"So a new man in the White House/ With a familiar name/ Said he had some fresh ideas/But it's worse now since he came/ From Texas to Washington"

Boy, that John Mellencamp he sure is a republican through and through isn't he?

Posted by Kit on Thursday, 03.29.07 @ 15:57pm


Yeah, it is real hard to find someone that is antibush these days........anyway, his music is just plain boring....

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 03.30.07 @ 17:34pm


The first two lyrics I quoted were from 1989.

It must be bad for your colon to be talking out of your ass all of the time.

Posted by Kit on Friday, 03.30.07 @ 22:26pm


I actually thought the "H.W." part kind of gave it away.

Posted by William on Friday, 03.30.07 @ 23:31pm


Frankly, it was my fault for bringing up politics (you know what they say about that), and apparently I am not allowed to make jokes about having a "sem-colon" rather than a colon. In any event, the point is that John "Cougar" is a sell out and he sucks....

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 04.4.07 @ 18:21pm


Hey Anonymous:

1) What did J.M. do that makes you feel justified slinging that cliche "sellout" at him? What the hell does that mean, anyway?
and
2) I understand why you can't appreciate the talent of Mellencamp and you find him boring - you just ain't that bright. When he sings, "..taught to fear Jesus in a small town.." he's not pushing religion - it's not "icky Jesus talk"; he's describing the culture he was brought up in so as to paint a picture of a small town's mood, he's not preaching at you. When you see a movie that is set in India do you feel "icky" because of all that Hindu talk? Try commenting on something you actually comprehend.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 04.9.07 @ 00:37am


"What did J.M. do that makes you feel justified slinging that cliche "sellout" at him? What the hell does that mean, anyway?"

Using the name "Cougar" instead of his real name.
Then even when finding out after the album came out (as he claims) continuing to use "Cougar" along with Mellencamp.

Much of his music is top 40 pop material manufactured for the masses

Chevy Commercial

Okay - enough of that........

"I understand why you can't appreciate the talent of Mellencamp and you find him boring - you just ain't that bright." (Ironic that you would refer to me as not too bright and simultaneously use the word 'aint').

I do not think there is any correlation between intelligence and liking music. That is, I am sure there are plenty of bright and intelligent people that like his music and plenty of dumb red necks that like it too, the latter of which I am sure is plentiful.

In any event, he is not good enough in my opinion for the RRHOF...plain and simple.

Posted by ANON on Monday, 04.9.07 @ 18:18pm


ANON,

So VERY early on in his career JM briefly allowed the insertion of the word "Cougar" - why does this chaffe your nuts so horribly? Why in the world does that hot brand him as a "sellout"? Bob Dylan, Elvis Costello, Sting, Bono, etc. etc. etc - all names created for marketing. By your petty defintion a group of 4 men who call themselves "The Beatles" or "The Clash" are sellouts becuase they aren't using their 4 birth certificate names.

I was a little disappointed in the Chevy commercial too, but he's got an entire career's worth of great songwriting to outweigh one questionable sin of commercialism.

"(Ironic that you would refer to me as not too bright and simultaneously use the word 'aint')."
Yes - I was intentionally using that word for effect, Einstein; I was actually being ironic. Hoo-boy.

"I do not think there is any correlation between intelligence and liking music."
No, but it looks like there is one between brightness and comprehending a point. Mine was that you misinterpreted JM's song lyrics in Small Town as being preachy Jesus talk and that was where your lack of intelligence was exposed. I don't think liking/disliking Mellencamp makes you smart or dumb.

You feel that he's not qualified to be in the RRHOF - fine; I just took exception to your glib reasoning as to why that was your opinion.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 04.11.07 @ 13:21pm


"Mine was that you misinterpreted JM's song lyrics in Small Town as being preachy Jesus talk and that was where your lack of intelligence was exposed."

Just to educate you, lack of knowledge on a particular topic (i.e. song lyrics) is referred to as ignorance, not lack of intelligence.

So yes, I may have been ignorant to the song lyrics, but that has no connection to intelligence. Dumb ass!

The rest of the points you make are not worthy of a response.....

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 04.11.07 @ 15:32pm


Anon,

"The rest of the points you make are not worthy of a response....."

Right.....
That's the way to make your case against this worthy artist; let me talk to the hand.

You denounce him for some ancient "sin" of briefly using "Cougar", you lump his music into a scrap pile of "corporate rock". Could you tell me what others you would put in that pile? Are you lumping JM in with Spice Girls and Pussycat Dolls?

Not being able to discern and recognize the theme and nuance of the message behind a song like Small Town does indicate that you are lacking in intelligence - sorry. It's not that you were "ignoraant" to the song's lyrics, as if you just misheard them. No, you just couldn't grasp them. Calling me a dumb-a** doesn't make you any brighter, Beavis.

You know why this is signifigant? Because YOU, my snooty friend, keep farting on Mellencamp's worthiness, saying dumb rednecks like his music. Is that because he sometimes sings about the experience of farmland America?

JM rocks, baby. And he rocks with brains AND soul.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 04.11.07 @ 21:05pm


You are plain wrong. I was ignorant to the lyrics and did mishear them. I thought he said something totally different than what he actually said - it is that simple. As for my intelligence, I guess when I became a doctor they thought I was pretty smart..........

And, again, I do not care to respond to any of the other points, because I do not care that much about John Cougar, oh excuse me, Mellencrap.....

Posted by ANON on Thursday, 04.12.07 @ 07:36am


Anonymous says: "And, again, I do not care to respond to any of the other points, because I do not care that much about John Cougar, oh excuse me, Mellencrap

If you are so indifferent about Mellencamp, then why have you continued to haunt this comment post like a drunken heckler since Feb. 10th. You seem quite obsessed with calling John Mellencamp every trite name you can summon up, each time without backing it up with anything more substantial than "he sucks...". Being a doctor (chuckle..) you must have more pressing demands than a Rock-n-Roll HOF debate.
You never told us who else you would say is sucky "corporate rock". Who do you like?

Posted by shawn on Friday, 04.13.07 @ 02:22am


Yawn....

Posted by ANON on Saturday, 04.14.07 @ 10:03am


Yea.... that's what I thought. You got nothin.

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 04.15.07 @ 15:45pm


Since you asked, I was being harsh with JM. I really have nothing against JM music. I actually enjoy some of it. To me, though it is very top 40ish, at least much of it. So, if he did get in, that would really not bother me.

As for bands that I think fit the "corporate" thing. That would be bands that really do not seem to care about creativity, and succumb to corporate pressures to sell a gazillion records and make radio friendly songs that are "less than 3 minutes 30 seconds."

Given that, I would include bands like Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Spice Girls, REM (Later career only), Journey, REO Speedwagon, etc.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 04.17.07 @ 17:15pm


"I really have nothing against JM music.... To me, though it is very top 40ish, at least much of it."

Why the word "Though"?
Are you trying to say that once a musical artist reaches the Top 40 he/she/or they are no longer "real" artists and should be discarded as "corporate" or "sellouts"? I have never understood this argument. Reaching the Top 40 simply means a lot of people have discovered you and they want to buy your stuff. Isn't this what a musician wants - to be heard and liked by people?
You do realize that there is a long, long list of authentic, respected musical artists who have had much Top 40 success, don't you? The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, The Beatles, The Who, U2, Dire Straits, The Police, R.E.M., Peter Gabriel, Prince..... all sorts of acts critics say it's OK to like.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 04.30.07 @ 12:08pm


Most of the bands you cite were creative and did their own thing, so to speak, and their success in "top 40" was more incidental. Whereas, in my opinion, JM was built for Top 40 from the start...I mean Hurts so Good, and Jack and Diane did not exaclty come later in his career. But, that being said, you are right, I think selling a lot of ALbums is what it is about for musicians. The fact that he did means something. I am just not sure he is HOF material...

Posted by Anon on Monday, 04.30.07 @ 13:18pm


Anon says: "Most of the bands you cite were creative and did their own thing.... and their success in "top 40" was more incidental."

1)You actually believe that any one of those acts - the Stones, Springsteen -- did not put all of their will and sweat and thought into making it as big as they could? The delusion that these legends sat around 'doing their own thing", above the indignity of trying to make it commercially is incredibly naive - even juvenile. No musician can sit around waiting for the world to discover them, immune from the demand to sell and be heard. That's some romantic fantasy you have there, man. Wake up.

2) That's kind of beside the point though, because Mellencamp, is some good shit. Have you ever owned and listened to a full album of his since Scarecrow? That album, plus The Lonesome Jubilee, Big Daddy, Whenever We Wanted, Dance Naked, Human Wheels, Mr. Happy Go Lucky, his '98 album, Cuttin Heads, even parts of Uh-Huh and American Fool are all thoughtful, soulful compositions full of cleverness, social commentary, great CREATIVE blends of folk rock, blues, harder rock. Critics even liked almost all of his stuff since 1985. Sure, he had a rough start as a Springsteen impersonator with a goofy name VERY early on in his career, but I don't think you really understand or appreciate his vast body of work for the past 26 years.
What is wrong with Jack and Diane, anyway? I think it's fantastic.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.1.07 @ 09:45am


"No musician can sit around waiting for the world to discover them, immune from the demand to sell and be heard. That's some romantic fantasy you have there, man. Wake up."

Not totally true - I think many bands do control their own destiny and do not solely create radio friendly hits that are less than four minutes long. I would hardly think that when Rush wrote Cygnus X-1 or Bytor and the Snow Dog, they were thinking of creating radio friendly hits...sorry, but you are right to a degree, but in some respects wrong. In this same respect, see Yes, Pink Floyd, The Who, Black Sabbath, Metallica, etc. Yes, some of their music did get radio play and they became popular, but I think with John Mellencamp, he was just a bit different and the songs were written to "sell." MB later in his career after he became big, he changed direction.........

As for Jack and Diane, there is nothing wrong with it...after all, it is just "a little diddy."

Posted by Anon on Tuesday, 05.1.07 @ 13:55pm


Dude... "Cygnus X-1 or Bytor and the Snow Dog"?
Look, I don't want to be insulting, but that stance that an artist has to attempt to be esoteric and rarified and put themselves "Above" pop success, even to the point of avoiding it like Cooties is just ludicrous! Rush and Pink Floyd did their thing, and I think they are great - but don't you see that you are only striving to elevate your own sense of superiority by virtue of your "enlightened" musical taste by tuning your nose up at the likes of mellencamp because his sound was a little more pop - maybe a little more accesible; not better or worse than Black Sabbath - just more catchy?
And what's with this arbitrary line in the sand of 4 minutes for a song, lest it be less than junk music?
Songs less than 4:00 -
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - 3:43
Brown Eyed Girl - 3:03
When Doves Cry - 3:47
Respect - 2:08
Chain of Fools - 2:45
Higher Ground - 3:42
Hit the Road Jack - 2:10
She Loves You - 2;17
Get Back - 3:14
Get Offa My Cloud - 2:55
Tempted - 3:53
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - 3:14
I Feel Good - 2:47
Under My Thumb - 3:41
and on... and on.. and on...

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 05.2.07 @ 11:42am


If you can't figure out the difference between corporate rock, like JM, or bands like Rush, Yes, Black Sabbath, Rolling Stones, etc. then there is no point to continue discussing.

I can do the same thing with song duration, like Won't get Fooled Again is 8:32 was not intended to be a radio a friendly hit. The concept Album "Tommy" as well. Pink Floyd the Wall or Darkside as other examples.

So, you don't think there is any difference between bands like Rush, Yes, Zeppelin and The Who, and lets say Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Posion, etc. in terms of their artistic integrity?

"But don't you see that you are only striving to elevate your own sense of superiority by virtue of your "enlightened" musical taste by tuning..."

What? I like all kinds of music...I am the furthest from being a music snob, and I just don't think JM is good enough for RRHOF induction...thats all. We will have to agree to disagree.......

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.2.07 @ 12:14pm


Dude, why are you trying to take refuge in the pathetically tired cry of "agree to disagree"? You started this back in Feb. when you belched out - "Wannabe.... corporate rock, not influential...don't put him in.", and fron the start of my two cents I have just challenged the REASONS why you claim Mellencamp is not worthy. Debating this is the only reason we are typing away here, right?

Of course I understand the difference between garbage like Bon Jovi/Def Leppard/Poison and Led Zeppelin/Rush/Pink Floyd - where did that come from?????? When did I ever try to defend the likes of Quiet Riot??? What's your friggin point???

And what's your point when you tell me a Who song is 8:32? That's terrific. How does that responds to my point that a song's length does not crown it or shame it. I am not endorsing short or long songs. I don't understand where you are going there.

look, I am trying to change your whole prjudice towards Mellencamp - it seems shallow and glib and founded in vague accusations of this "corporate rock" label you keep flinging out there. John Mellencamp had a lot of success on the radio - so freakin what? That is not a badge of shame, that's not a leper colony, and many of the bands you champion (which I also concur are great) had varying degrees of radio play.

I have yet to read any meat in your case against JM - that's all I am saying to you.You started this with your smart ass commentary and drive by slams against this artist you dismiss and dis so easily. Listen to Jackie Brown or Melting Pot or Human Wheels or Pink Houses again. Songs do not have to be lumbering marathons of bombastic epic and compplex dischord to be "authentic".




Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 05.2.07 @ 23:56pm


You won't change my alleged "prejudice." Bands like Rush, The Doors, Pink Floyd, etc. of course wanted to sell albums, as all artists do. However, it was and is to be on their terms. In fact, after Rush bombed with Caress of Steel, they were pressured by the record execs. to go a different way. Instead, they DID THEIR own thing, took a risk, and put out 2112, one of their most lauded albums. In fact, side ONE is exactly about that struggle (i.e. between artistic integrity and corpoorate pressures they felt).

On the contrary, making songs like "Hurts so Good", and "Jack and Diane" was done to 1) sell a gazillion records, 2) get a lot of radio play, and 3) Make John Cougar (his name at the time) a household name. He succeeded with all three with that album. (BTW, there is nothing wrong with trying to accomplish those three goals, and there is nothing wrong with being a household name and being commercially successful).

However, I do not think he was so incredibly influential or innovative or different - thats it, which would disqualify him for the RRHOF.

And, the "agree to disagree" thing is not, as you claim, a pathetically tired cry. It is a phrase that demonstrates 1) We do not agree, and 2) That is okay....

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 05.3.07 @ 18:46pm


Anonymous says:

"However, I do not think he was so incredibly influential or innovative or different - thats it, which would disqualify him for the RRHOF."

OK - FINALLY!!! I finally shook a coherant, valid argument out of you. Though I agree with you not, Anonymous, you finally gave us something with some substance! I can respect that opinion and leave you be.

By the way - you really need to seek help for your Rush worship. Peace.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 00:08am


If you do not agree, then tell me how did JM have a profound influence on Rock music and who did he influence?

I need help for Rush Worship? I do not worship Rush, I enjoy their music, their integrity and vision. It is nothing more than that. You are the one who keeps going on and on about JM - MB you need help.

Posted by Anon on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 11:55am


Mellencamp breathed new life into the singer-songwriter tradition, capturing a very authentic midwest feel, and as he progressed the instrumentation became more and more folksy, featuring fiddles prominently, especially on THe Lonesome Jubilee, his finest album. There is no other album like it in 1987, mainstream or not.

He is to the Midwest what Springsteen is to Jersey, what Seger is to Detroit. He embodies and champions them. Judging him on "Hurts So Good" is a massively short-sighted thing to do. So, yeah, I'm so glad nothing's changed here.

Posted by Kit on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 12:28pm


AMEN Kit! Well said!
I am kind of exhausted with Anonymous. I give him credit for finally proferring a respectable point, though I disagree with him.
I don't think we can ever convince him to respect JM.
He's convinced that to be worthy, you have to write 8 minute epics of existential rock art. I think it makes people like him feel more enlightened when they feel like they belong to a martyred musical club; he can feel rarified in his taste and throw beer cans at pop trash like our boy JM because he can write a catchy tune, along with intelligent, reflective and refreshhing tracks like "Minutes To Memories" and "When Jesus left Burmingham" and "The Full Catastrophe" and on and on...

But Mellencamp has no concept album , no "2112" in his repetoire, and he has hits, so he must be disposable, right?

Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 12:59pm


Kit says: "Mellencamp was a good songwriter in the regonalist/Americana tradition of Springsteen and Seger, but I think he falls short of Hall Standards."

Then he says: "He is to the Midwest what Springsteen is to Jersey, what Seger is to Detroit. He embodies and champions them"

The latter sounds like a support for induction, so which is it??

BTW, John Mellencamp, aint no Bruce Springsteen, no way, no how...he never will be.

Also, who did Mellencamp influence?? Not answered yet.....folksy acoustic guitar...yeah, never heard that before JM....

And, all the mumbo jumbo about feeling more enlightened....totally off base and wrong. I love all kinds of music from Rush, Police, Metallica, Violent Femmes, Smiths, Ocean Blue, Depeche Mode, R & B, rap, Jazz, etc. I like it all....and even John Mellencamp. I just don't think he is good enough for RRHOF. Just like if you look at the posts on Journey...I like them, but do not think they are worthy of hall standards....thats hall....just like Kit does not think Rush is good enough..I wholeheartedly disagree, but he is certainly entitled to his opinion...so stop whining Shawn

Later

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 16:39pm


Anonymous/Dude,

The difference between my whining and yours is this: I do not enjoy Rush'a music... they do not please my ears for the most part...

BUT - I acknowledge their place in R&R history. I RECOGNIZE their talent and their longevity.

You, on the other hand, do not COMPREHEND John Mellencamp - you don't. You just do not get him, you cannot or refuse to IDENTIFY a quality - QUALITY - musical artist.

Any semi-perceptive lunk can understand the difference between crap: Poison, Ratt, Vanilla Ice, Ashley Simpson...

quality: Rush, U2, Dave Matthews, Doobie Brothers, Nirvana....

and legends: Led Zeppelin, Stevie Wonder, Rolling Stones, The Who....

Your credibility is severly damaged and your commentary is mostly adolescent when you continue to lump John Mellencamp in with The REO Speedwagons and Loverboys of the musical world.

Are you freaking dense? Do you have taste? I question this and accuse you of esoteric snobbery or something... I don't know - when you can't appreciate what a talent JM is and what high quality, thoughtful, fully realized, musically sound offerings he has produced for a quarter century.

The criteria for induction consideration is this:

"...the influence and significance of the artist's contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock 'n' roll."

"The significance..." dude - read it.
JM is and was THAT. He doesn't have to have a trail of mimickers or documented students of his mind blowing percussional stytlings like a Neil Pert to be RRHOF material, man!
Get off of your high horse, download Human Wheels and listen to it a few times and get back to me.

This whole stance you take that rock and roll artists should be apathetic about cahrt success is just stupid - it's like the way insecure high school goths embrace the Aloof as being cool - you're only cool if you don't care.

But you admitted yourself that having commercial success is perfectly fine. besides that, have you considered that Mellencamp IS doing HIS thing whenever he writes a song, and that his sound just so happens to have a snappy melody and catchy hook? What gives you the right to assume he is shallow and calcualted?

It all comes back to your short sighted musical taste though - have your prefernces - fine - so do I - but you should recognize a quality talent if you really are well rounded and not a snob.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 17:45pm


YOU ARE 0-4 - almost as bad as the slump Bobby Abreu is in:

"Your credibility is severly damaged and your commentary is mostly adolescent when you continue to lump John Mellencamp in with The REO Speedwagons and Loverboys of the musical world."

I clearly do not lump them together at all. JM is better.

"Are you freaking dense? Do you have taste?... when you can't appreciate what a talent JM is and what high quality, thoughtful, fully realized, musically sound offerings he has produced for a quarter century."

I am not dense...I think he HAS created good quality music, I never denied that at all.

"What gives you the right to assume he is shallow and calculated?"

I do not think he is shallow at all...mb some of the earlier stuff was a bit on the shallow side, but as he progressed it became more substance driven...that is undeniable.

"It all comes back to your short sighted musical taste though - have your prefernces - fine - so do I - but you should recognize a quality talent if you really are well rounded and not a snob."

I am not short-sighted on my musical taste at all. In fact, as I said in the post above, I like all kinds of music, inlcuding JM. But, my liking a band, like JM, Toto, Kansas, Journey, etc. does not mean that they should be in the RRHOF...like I said, I just do not think he has had such a profound influence on Rock music.


And, you say "Amen Kit" However, Kit agrees with me, not you ("Mellencamp was a good songwriter in the regionalist / Americana tradition of Springsteen and Seger, but I think he falls short of Hall Standards.") Well, he does seem to go a different direction, so who knows what he thinks.


In any event, the point here is that with regards to me, you are O for 4, which is not very good.... :-)




Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.4.07 @ 18:47pm


Uh...... OK "Anonymous" -- I guess you can "win", since I have grown weary of debating with a 7th grader. You contradict yourself over and over, you misinterperet his lyrics, you bash JM one post then backpeddle and retreat, then bash a little again, you make nonsensical "points" (Won't Get Fooled Again is 8:32...) of trifiling or no use, you claim JM is not that important to you anyway, give me The Hand -- you've pretty much tried it all pal!
As Kit said in here once to you - talking out of your ass so long must be painful to your rectum. Grab a tube of Preparation H and congratulate yourself on winning the great debate on Mellencamp, "Doctor" (snicker..). You are a simpleton and a waste of my time.
A-a-h-h-h SALESMEN!!!!!

Posted by shawn on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 10:38am


Dude, what the fuck are you talking about...you take this way too personal...I even say + things about JM and somehow that is twisted in a negative way...you act is if any of this really matters...if he did get in the hall, uh, he would be getting inducted, not you...may want to get back on the haldol drip

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 14:13pm


I'll see your "Dude" and raise you an "Ass Clown"

Another refuge of the desperate who are getting their ass kicked - "You take this way too personal".
(Laughing...)Anon, this is what these post sites are for, you confused dork - arguing points of view. I have no personal stake in this, man - I am having fun. I just wish more folks like Kit would contribute and join the debate because you bore me now with your contradictions and backpeddling. You're all about getting the last word - farting and leaving the room; you have no real case - you're "points" are a joke.

Do I need to cut and paste your posts from the Journey room to really rake you and reveal your bullsh*t?

It's been obvious from the start that you don't recognize Mellencamp for the talent he is - you're like a retard grabbing his ears who says Zeppelin is too loud or Stevie Wonder is too funky. You won't admit you don't really know JM, and that is where your head is lodged.

So go ahead - $50 says you can't resist continuing to try to "win" this. Go ahead.

Posted by shawn on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 14:39pm


Hey witness protection - I mean "Anonymous":

I left you a little rosebud on The Cars post page too!

Posted by shawn on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 15:18pm


I am not trying to win anything...you just cannot dela with the fact that not everyone agrees with you. No to your nonsense:

"Do I need to cut and paste your posts from the Journey room to really rake you and reveal your bullsh*t?"

You mean where I wrote: "All in all, Journey was a quality, very listenable band with a fairly large catalog of music that I think people will listen to for generations. As for the RRHOF, probably not though, that I would give you."

This too would apply to JM... There are lots of bands I like, but I just do not think they belong in the HOF for lack of influence or originality, which is the criteria (at least one of them) to get in the hall.

"I have no personal stake in this, man - I am having fun"

Sure doesn't sound like it.

Why do you keep asking for Kit's support? What is he your lawyer. Plus, why do you not get on Kit, who also does not think JM should be in the hall (i.e. "....I think he falls short of Hall Standards."). Sounds pretty straightforward to me....so, go bother him...

"It's been obvious from the start that you don't recognize Mellencamp for the talent he is."

I will say this one last time...I do think JM is talented. I admitted in an earlier post that I was a bit harsh on him - I admitted that. All in all, he has had a very solid career, but I just think he falls short of hall standards, as does Kit...it is nothing more than that....

100 bucks you can't leave this alone :-)

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 15:24pm


Secret Squirrel says:
"I will say this one last time...
I do think JM is talented. I admitted in an earlier post that I was a bit harsh on him - I admitted that.
All in all, he has had a very solid career, but I just think he falls short of hall standards, as does Kit...
it is nothing more than that...."

So you Do recognize JM's quality and haven't demonstrated an ignorant prejudice against him and are not now weasling out and contradicting yourself by claiming "I never said JM sucked!"?

Hmmm... Let's show the home audience what else Agent 86 has blurted out. Roll tape!:

- "Wannabe.... corporate rock, not influential...don't put him in..."
- "His songs were okay, but were very much pop top 40 like hits."
- "Definitely corporate rock - I rest my case!"
- "When you write songs that say: "Don't you feel Jesus in a small town" that just does not seem to cut it for me"
"all that Jesus talk in Rock music makes me feel icky.."
(Note here: what's that sound? It's a dumbass alarm going off!!)
- "anyway, his music is just plain boring.."
- "the point is that John "Cougar" is a sell out and he sucks..."
- "his music is top 40 pop material manufactured for the masses"
- "I am sure there are...plenty of dumb red necks that like (his music)...of which I am sure is plentiful."
- "I do not care that much about John Cougar, oh excuse me, Mellencrap.."
- (in categorizing Mellencamp):- "..bands that really do not seem to care about creativity, and succumb to corporate pressures to sell a gazillion records and make radio friendly songs that are "less than 3 minutes 30 seconds."

- (in saying Mellencamp is in the same company as: ...I would include bands like Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Spice Girls, Journey, REO Speedwagon, etc.
(turn up the goddamn Miracle Ear, Deafy)

- "in my opinion, JM was built for Top 40 from the start...I mean Hurts so Good, and Jack and Diane did not exaclty come later in his career.."
(again... dismissive; and those are 2 good pop-rock creafted songs too. "Hold on to 16, as long as you can...)
- "..corporate rock, like JM,.."
- "BTW, John Mellencamp, aint no Bruce Springsteen, no way, no how...he never will be."
(Kit wasn't saying that JM IS Springsteen; said he is as significant to the midwest as Bruce is to Jersey. It's called an analogy)

Listen Bourne Identity - I mean.. Anonymous,
I am concerned for your health at this point. I hope you are using some kind of a lubricant because you are in grave danger of tearing yourself a second hole when you keep talking out of two sides of your ass.







Posted by shawn on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 16:13pm


I really change my mind about whether Mellencamp deserves to be in the hall every other day. He's the definition of a borderline artist that could easily go either way. However, there's a precedent set with similar artists and I'd much rather have him in than Bob Seger.

"I am kind of exhausted with Anonymous."
Yeah, he's an exhausting person.

Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 16:27pm


See..your post would be meaningful and relevant. However, since I openly admitted I was a bit harsh on him...your post is wasteful and meaningless.

And, still much of what I said is true...he aint no Bruce - no way, and while he has had a long commercially successful career that was overall very good, as Kit said, it "falls short of hall standards."

As for the lubricant comment...that is just so juvenile and beyond a response....

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 16:29pm


Kit - I am exhausting? You have basically pissed off everyone on various posts all over this webpage - that is undeniable. Y0ur way more exhausting... :-)

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 16:33pm


"However, there's a precedent set with similar artists and I'd much rather have him in than Bob Seger."

That I would agree with....see, I am not that bad..

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 16:57pm


As one who has read Kit's stuff, I'd like to say he often makes me laugh so hard I tear up (see his Def Leppard summations - hysterical!!)

Yea, he can be a bit abrasive, but he knows his stuff, he's sharp witted and insightful, and he has coherant thought processes with clearly identifiable points.

Trust us Anon - you are exhausting and tedious to chase around an argument. It's more important to you to throw a punch or deflect one than to consider whether you are right.
As JM says in "Fruit Trader", "(You're) just pissin' in the wind."

Posted by shawn on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 17:07pm


"He can be a bit abrasive, but he knows his stuff, he's sharp witted and insightful"

"Journey Sucks" - yeah, very insightful - LOL, LOL...



Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 21:36pm


Also, Shwan, mb you should get checked for like ADHD. I have told you time and again...

1) I admit I went way to far with criticizing JM - people do make mistakes. MB I was having a bad day, who knows?

2) He is a very talented musician.

3) He has had a very succesful career.

4) Having points 2 and 3 in themselves do not necessarily qualify a band or artist for the hall. In fact, there are a ton of talented and successful musicians - most of whom do not belong in the hall.

5) I personally do not believe that JM is worthy of the hall - I do not see him as a major force or innovator of music. Who has he influenced? And, personal like or dislike of a band or commercial success has nothing to do with induction. So far, I have not heard any response from you explaining the bands or musicians he has influenced or how he has shaped rock music. Likely because there is just not much there...

Again, it is not about personal like or dislike or commercial success. For example, as others have seen on other posts - I do not like the Velvet Underground - it is a personal thing only. However, I can readily admit that they did deserve HOF induction for their influence and shaping of Rock music. As I have said, I like Journey, but do NOT think they should be in the RHOF.

So, if you cannot seem to follow all of the above, I do not know what else to say....mb a low dose of Ritalin would help


Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, 05.5.07 @ 21:55pm


"PLAY TOM SAWYER, MAN!!!"

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 05.6.07 @ 10:00am


I'll take my Tom Sawyer any day over your "Little Pink Houses"...

"catch the spit...?"

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 05.6.07 @ 12:15pm


witness protection says: "- I do not see (JM) as a major force or innovator of music. Who has he influenced?"

I actually do have a cogent response for this request - which is pretty damn arrogant to think any of us can really discern what level of "influence" on "Rock" an artist has had, beyond that which is common sense. We can speculate, but you've got a pretty high opin-i-on of yerself there partner ifn you thinks you got a bead on who influenced who, and who counts as benig a good influence and what constitutes a "force" in the history. But I'll get to that later.
Your petty rantings have become toresome for the moment.

Let's have some fun with this little question though, since you brought it up:
If we had 10,000 random people listen to both "Tom Sawyer" and "Pink Houses" once a day for 5 days straight, and had them choose which one they prefer, which song do you think would win out? Just a novelty question.

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 05.6.07 @ 15:01pm


For the general masses...I agree...likely the top 40 song...for the forward thinking, non conforming individual...well, you know

As for influence, bands will often explicitly name other bands that have influenced them...for Rush it is hundreds of bands...in fact, Metallica THANKS Rush in the liner notes on an album...but you still got nothing

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 05.6.07 @ 16:31pm


"Let's have some fun with this little question though, since you brought it up"

One other thing...I never brought this up - what? I simply said that I (note emphasis on I) would take Rush over JM - thats all. I was only speaking for myself. This mass survey thing is your wonderful idea, not mine....but it does make me think of a Rush song:

"For the words of the profits
Are written on the studio wall"

I always loved Pearts play on words with the Simon and Garfunkel song...brilliant

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, 05.6.07 @ 19:29pm


Spy vs Spy/Anon says: "For the general masses...I agree...likely the top 40 song...for the forward thinking, non conforming individual...well, you know"

And there it is, my friends... Anon - stripped naked before all the world. I'll bet he doesn't even realize what he just said.

Tell me Anon - do you have this littlebit of masturbation highlighted on your MySpace page along with a Rush logo?

Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 00:08am


I didn't know that preferring one song over another is referred to as "masturbation." Thank you for clearing that up - no one can disagree with you Shawn - that is a shame.

"Witness protection, spy, etc." - as if anyone knows who "Shawn" is - gimme a break.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 06:06am


S-s-s-h-h... being "Anonymous" allows you to lob your inane dooky grenades and protect your alter ego. Although I'd have picked "By-tor" as your superhero character, considering.

"no one can disagree with you Shawn"
--- W-A-A-A, W-A-A-A!!!! Try not contradicting yourself every third post, Anon; that works much better than moping when debating.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 09:03am


So, if I called myself Joe, Nick or Steve would you then somehow know me. Everyone on these posts is anonymous - duh.

I have never contradicted myself at all. Yes, I have said some extreme things regarding JM, but then admitted I was being a bit harsh - is that a crime. Other than that, I have been very consistent. Plus, like I said, sometimes when typing on these posts points are misunderstood, so people clarify them. For instance, on "Metallica" page under "Future eligibles, Kit made a comment, so I responded. He then clarified his point and I agreed - see how easy it is...

....Btw, do you think Def Leppard or Journey should be in the hall? If yes or no, why? I am just curious what you think of these "popular" bands...

Posted by Anon on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 09:35am


I guess I can understand why you want to keep your true name "On the DOWN-low" - shaving that 2112 pentagram on the back of your head is a bad look now, and you probably want to stay inconspicuous. I understand.

And Shawn IS my real name. This isn't The Departed; nothing to be afraid of here HeadRush.

Do I think Journey and Def Leppard should be in the hall? Here's my take: in an ideal world ...NOOOOOOOOO. They are both just a little too campy for my tatse. Some bright spots in both careers (mostly Journey's), but something just feels wrong about letting them in; kind of feels like reluctantly letting that guy with no shoes and the red eyes into your party; you suspect he might urnate in a corner in one of the bedrooms.
But then we get into that whole argument about "it's not about personal tastes"... right?

If I consider critical acclaim and reproach, I think both bands are generally not considered top shelf. So that's not going for them.
(I have witnessed you beat out a case for your dreamy Rush boys using BOTH the "critics don't know shit" and the "look at all the critical acclaim they've gotten" sticks - very odd man, BTW - so please don't sing that song either way to me.)

As for album sales and filling arenas, they are champs in their day, no doubt.

As "Phenomenons" - that is, cultural presences - artists that for better or worse made a significant mark in the music world, were notable to a degree that they were forces (again - good or evil) I can't deny that they were big players, and they merit recognition for their acheivments.

So do I think they belong? That wholeheartedly depends -- on whether the R&R Hall of Fame is to be seen as a Hall of High Musical S.A.T. scorers (and I say that with no disdain,
or more like a MUSEUM of popular music - with less regard given to critical worth and a judgment of influence, and more chronicle of history.

In the latter case, then yes I think Journey and Def Leppard, and even Bon Jovi and Kiss have a spot. This I say, in spite of my loathing 3 out of 4 of those acts.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 14:49pm


"Shawn" may be your "real" name, but you are still anonymous. No one knows your age, where you live, etc. So, calling yourself Shawn or Dave or Tim or Anon, is pretty much the same thing - if you can't figure that one out, don't know what to say.

One quick note, not sure what images you may have conjured up. Contrary to you, I will make myself less anonymous. I am 37, married with two children and I am a self-employed doctor. So, don't think having a pentagram shaved into my head would be too + on my career nor would it earn points with my wife.

"Do I think Journey and Def Leppard should be in the hall? Here's my take: in an ideal world ...NOOOOOOOOO. They are both just a little too campy for my tatse."

Tisk, tisk...do you have some kind of a problem with bands that have achieved commerical success? Your such a snob...of course then you qualify your answer later...seems to me, you can't make up your mind...all this double talk, you should go into politics.

See, with me, I CAN make up my mind without all of the qualifiers- Def Leppard - No, Journey - No, depsite my liking and enjoying the latter band. And, I still think NO as well for JM - calm down, grab the valium, it is only my opinion. I just don't see any major influence or him doing anything so different.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 17:30pm


Jesus christ, shawn. Cut it out, talk music. this is some ridiculous bullshit.

You know it's out of line if I'm taking anon's side in a dispute.

Posted by Kit on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 18:51pm


Thanks Kit, never thought I would say that but half the time I do not even know what Shawn is talking about....

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 05.7.07 @ 19:31pm


Johnny Cougar Mellencamp is a difficult one, but I would lean towards saying "yes" on induction. And I think he will get in eventually, they just want to make him wait a couple of years because, rightly so, he deserves induction with some reservations.

You cannot hold his silly beginnings against him, you gotta do what you gotta do to get started in this biz. But he more than proved himself worthy with his maturation starting somewhere around UH-HUH.

There was a stretch in the mid-80's through the early 90's there where Mellencamp was one of the more compelling mainstream artists out there, and while SCARECROW and especially the brilliant LONESOME JUBILEE will be his true legacy, even later records like BIG DADDY and WHENEVER WE WANTED have a lot to offer. LONESOME JUBILEE is great lyrically and thematically, but what really makes it special is the instrumentation. Few people at that time were integrating overtly folkish instrumentation (fiddles, accordians, banjos) with a sold rock and roll base. as unlikely as it may at first blush may seem, that record was the perfect link between what Buffalo Springfield, The Byrds and Gene Clark were doing in the 60's and early 70's and the Alt Country / No Depression movement with the likes of Uncle Tupelo, Son Volt, Wilco, Whiskeytown, Ryan Adams, etc. One of the real links there is the LONESOME JUBILEE record.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 08:59am


You're right for the most part Kit; I let him get under my skin and went off the deep end a bit a few posts back when I rolled out his history of JM snarks. My bad for getting sucked in and throwing gasoline on his fire; I should learn to ignore wanks like him as much as possible.

Since I do respect the opinions of you, Dezmond, William, Casper, etc. - could you give me your take on what I brought up about the question of the Hall being a display case of high acheivers vs being more of a simple museum of historical timeline/notables, and where that line is drawn?

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 09:14am


That's a real tough call and I'm honestly not sure where I stand. I tend to think of it in terms of heirarchy and subgenre. If two bands are in the same genre, timeframe, etc, and one clearly made more innovations than the other, then I don't even want to consider the second band until the first is in. This means that a lot of bands that are on the outs, King Crimson, Joy Division, The Cure, etc. are holding a lot of other bands out too, just because those bands are behind them in line.

Posted by Kit on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 11:53am


Shawn's question is the classic conflict between popular success and artistic merit, and which one should we focus on in the Hall. There are easy ones of course, like The Beatles, Who, Stones, Kinks...where they achieved both so those are shoe-ins.

But what about a Big Star? (Very creative, very influential on other bands, but still a cult act as far as popularity and sales go). Then what about Kiss? (hugely popular, sold a ton of records, virtually defined a certain time period...and although I love them as a guilty pleasure, they admittedly are not high on the artistic merit scale).

Tough call, and like Kit, I'm not sure exactly where I draw the line either.

I think that the most important criteria they list for induction is "influence". Do you, in some way, have a real effect on the development of rock or some branch of rock. When I am waivering on the line between whether someone should or should not be there, I always fall back on that criteria. "How influential were they?"

Therefore, in my perfect Rock Hall world, Big Star would be there, as would Kiss. While Big Star may have been more artistic and "better", Kiss had such an influence on the business, the industry, and even many artists who came after, that they've got to be there too.

Back to Mellencamp, I think he accomplished enough and influenced enough people (although they may not even consciously know his influence on them), that he should be in as well.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 12:06pm


I see that. In an ideal Hall, the voters would respectfully follow the descending biological classifications of artists in a Species-Genus-Family.. model.

I guess I was asking the blunter question of whether you think there is EVER an appropriate place for a horrible band like Def Leppard or debatables like Journey or wrestling acts with guitars like KISS, simply by virtue of their commercial impact or their cultural presence, evil as it may be. That is, is the RRHOF at some level, a keeper of the popular music timeline - a museum, with less of a nod towards evaluating the sanitary or filthy condition of a member?

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 12:08pm


Thanks Dezmond - I was typing as you were answering my question!
Also interested in Kit's and William's takes.

Another question, one which I sincerely feel a bit inqualified to recognize: how exactly, can we acurately judge that aspect called Influence? Are you just hearing something obvious in an influenc-ee's music? Are you reading a liner note or an interview where someone identifies out loud who are their influences? Is it speculation?

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 12:14pm


I think it's all of the above. As a religious liner note reader, I pick up lots of statements by the artist or the critic or spin doctor or who ever is writing the liner notes about influences. Sometimes you just hear it in the music. Like with my latest musical obsession, The Hold Steady. You can just hear early Springsteen in their lyrics and music, as well as some Thin Lizzy in there (odd combo, I know, but it really works). And yes, sometimes it is pure speculation.

But Kiss is an interesting case, because from my perspective, their influence was much more on the business of rock music vs. purely musical. Their stage show, the way they conducted their business and marketing, the whole Kiss Army thing...had a huge impact on the music business. It's funny, you listen to Gene Simmons in interviews, he is really a savvy, intelligent guy. He talks more about business models and the economics and marketing than he ever talks about the music. So for that alone, Kiss should be there. They had a real impact. If Phil Graham, Berry Gordie...all these other people who infuenced the business of rock are in there, then Kiss has a place. Lots of people would also make musical arguments for Kiss as well, but I am not that naive. As much as I think "Cold Gin" rocks. =)

So "influence" is really hard to define. Plus, there isn't going to be consensus on that either. Some people may think I am overstating Kiss' influence on the music industry, or John Mellencamp's influence on the Alt-Country movement of the early 1990's. Maybe so, but that is how I see it at least.

And should all influence be rewarded? I mean, Journey really pioneered the 80's Power Ballad, but is that a good thing that should be rewarded? (I like Journey too, by the way). All good questions.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 12:46pm


I meant "Bill Graham", not Phil Graham.

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 12:48pm


Dez says: "If Bill Graham, Berry Gordie...all these other people who infuenced the business of rock are in there, then Kiss has a place."

Great point.

Posted by shawn on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 13:14pm


One question Dezmond, up above, you said: "Yeah, Johnny Cougar's "I Need a Lover" really changed the face of rock and roll." That sounds like a sarcastic comment, suggesting NO for Hall induction. Then you changed your mind. Just wondering, why the change? Not being hostile in any way, just curious (I add this in because I do not want to be attacked - I am only wondering).

Posted by Anonympus on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 17:47pm


BTW, as for Shawn acting psychotic, he is to blame to some degree, but I admit that I went overboard, particularly with my earlier comments about JM. After all, I did call him "Mellencrap." So, if Shawn is a big JM fan, which I presume he is, then I can compliment his passion for supporting an artist he loves. I too have supported Rush and have been defensive as well, so I can understand his acting nutty. I mean I think at one point, he was talking about dead bodies in my neighbors yard :-)

That being said, I apologize to anyone that I may have offended, especially towards Kit. However, there are a number of instances that Kit says things that are a bit harsh or offensive. Like when he said "Journey sucks." That, to me at least, is not constructive and insults the people that really love Journey.

In any event, the bottom line here is that this is all just people's opinions. Because love or hate the hall, the critics over there do get the final word and say on who gets in.

Also, Shawn mentioned influence. I think it is sometimes explicitly noted by other artists or it evident in the music. For instance, I like the Ocean Blue - which certainly have a Smiths sound to them.

I think the issue here, which is one someone brought up on another post. In the RRHOF, many if not all of the classics of Rock are in (i.e. Zep, Who, Beatles, U-2, Police, etc.). Therefore, in the next ten years, many other bands that one would think might not have a chance will get in simply because all of the "classics" are gone. Thus, all of these 80's and 90's bands will begin to be inducted. To some degree, I think Van Halen being inducted changed the "feel" for the hall. That is, as much as I like VH, it seems that the time has come to potentially let in less influential and less monumental bands by the mere fact that there are so few left now since they are already in. Not sure if anyone gets my point.......

I do think eventually Rush will get in, but yes I agree it should be after KC and Yes, and ELP. Although, one difference is that Rush is frequently categorized as progressive, but I think once they came out with permanent waves, they ceased to be progressive in terms of having long songs and the "Concept" albums, etc.

Anyway, I gotta run...I just stained my Rush underoos :-) and Idol is on (Yes I watch it)

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 18:06pm


Anonymous, I only want to be held accountable to my last post. No fair going back several posts and pointing out my inconsistencies! I think I was just poking fun at The Coug's early years when I said that. But I think that he deserves induction for my more recent reasons stated. Good catch, though. =)

Secondly, this is a forum to discuss and debate music. Nothing Kit or anyone else says is offensive, as long as it is about the music vs. crossing over to personal insults. Even saying "Journey sucks" is a succinct argument. I dig Journey, so I disagree, but I was far from offended. I did not feel I was being insulted just because I like Journey. Come on. Nobody should get offended about anything said about the bands or artists, no matter how harsh or disagreeable. The only offense that should be taken is if people cross over from talking about the artists to insulting each other. And even some good banter taken in the right spirit is fine too. Let's not all get too sensitivo here.

You are right that most of the no-brainers have already been inducted (Elvis, Beatles, Stones), so we are left with artists who are more debatable to consider. But also, we are getting to more recent time periods (hell, the 80's wasn't THAT long ago). So influence and perspective are less clear on who was really important in the 80's vs. who was really important in the 50's or 60's.

Van Halen is an interesting issue. I think that no question they deserve induction, over many people who are also already inducted. Critics have never been kind to VH (in part because Eddie is such an a-hole and hard to like as a person and Roth is a wack job). But you cannot deny that Eddie VH created a seismic shift in guitar playing when he came on the scene. For that alone, without hesitation, VH is in. I've got no problems with VH.

King Crimson and Yes should be inducted in all haste, that is ridiculous that they are not in. Then Genesis (for the Gabriel years, primarily). And on that subject, what about Peter Gabriel himself? Another egregious ommission so far. Then Rush can be considered. ELP...never.

Posted by Dezmond on Wednesday, 05.9.07 @ 08:59am


I agree, saying Journey sucks is not insulting directly. But, one cannot criticize others for not elaborating, then engage in the same "behavior." Obviously, not everyone will like every band. I just think, something more elaborative without "sucks" is not only less insulting, but more informative. But, like I said, I should be the last to talk, since I have done the very same thing.

I still do not see any major innovation or influence from JM. But, like we have said, they are running out of the "cassics", so JM will likely get in eventually. As for VH, no doubt they should have gotten in, but it just feels different I guess b/c they are somewhat more "modern" and more of a heavy metal type band. But, they should def.be in - that I agree.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.9.07 @ 12:26pm


"Nobody should get offended about anything said about the bands or artists, no matter how harsh or disagreeable"

That is true to an extent. However, some people love a band so much that it is their passion or even hobby so to speak. So, when you offend the band, it is an indirect insult to the person. I agree, I really could care less about saying "Journey sucks." But, to someone that loves Journey passionately it is a subtle insult - like all of the energy and passion put into liking that band (i.e. buying CD's, going to concerts, reading inteviews, etc.) is negated by that person's snide remark. Its like saying you really have no taste and I know better.

Plus, I just think there are more civilized ways to say things. Like I had said before, I have talked to people that do not like Rush, but they would say something like, "I don't like Rush at all, but I respect them as musicians." Anyway, call me crazy, but being civilized is something to at least strive for, especially if you can make the same point in a nicer way.

Anyway, nice chatting...

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.9.07 @ 16:56pm


I say he should get in at some point. But after that godawful song he made to sell Chevy trucks, I'd make him wait a while.

Posted by Creepozoid on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 01:34am


"I mean, Journey really pioneered the 80's Power Ballad, but is that a good thing that should be rewarded?"

Are you kidding me? The powere ballads of the 80s are some of the best songs ever.

Posted by Creepozoid on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 01:35am


Good point, Creep. The Chevy commercial song should give The Coug at least a 5 year penalty.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 08:04am


I disagree, Anonymous. You won't find many people as passionate about their favorite bands than I am, yet I feel it is perfectly fine to insult my favorite bands if someone wants to. Do I find it irritating? Do I think that person is an unenlightened heathen for not understanding the greatness of my favorite bands? Sure. Do I take it personally and feel it is a comment on my self-worth? No. Plus, half of it is fun banter and gets the real conversation kick started. That's how I feel about that issue.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 08:15am


"But after that godawful song he made to sell Chevy trucks, I'd make him wait a while." - Creepozoid

(heavy sigh...) Why John, why? Y'all know I think Mellencamp is terrific, but even I cringed when I heard him singing over the new 4 x 4 hauling rebar.
If only the commercial had featured Mellencamp behind the wheel as he ran over Seger singing "Like a Rock".

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 09:01am


Dez sez:"...half of it is fun banter and gets the real conversation kick started. That's how I feel about that issue"

I couldn't agree more. A dash of Tabasco can make reading a comment fun.

I'd add this: it takes a lot of restraint (which I failed to demonstrate recently) to read the intelligent, well formed stuff, and then silently endure the recklessly bratty, sophomoric, contradictory bullsh*t that some humorless ass clowns churn out. Certain posts just read like Dwight Schrute from The Office. And it's hard, man, it's hard...

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 09:15am


Creep: "Are you kidding me? The power ballads of the 80s are some of the best songs ever."

"..some of the Best"? Hmmm.I'd challenge that gold star sticker, but like them or loathe them, Journey, REO Speed, "Waiting For a Girl" -- these were ubiquitous monsters striding the earth at the time; pretty hard to deny their influence, or at least their mightiness in their time.

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 09:22am


And how do you really quantify the greatness or cheese quotient of, say, Journey's "Fathfully"? I say it is both great and extremely cheesy. Cheese can be good. But for every "Faithfully", there are 50 "Every Rose Has a Thorn". That is why I say perfecting the 80's Power Ballad is a dubious honor at best, when you consider its spawn.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 10:54am


"And how do you really quantify the greatness or cheese quotient of, say, Journey's "Fathfully"? I say it is both great and extremely cheesy."

(Laughing..) "cheese quotient" - that's a great diagnostic tool/phrase. I dunno. When DOES the cheese odor engulf a tune, and thus sully a band beyond redemption ? "Every Rose.." is, by God, a sh*t stain of a song; spawn indeed.

Very brave of you to step out there and declare your affection for "Faithfully"; you're a better man than I. It begs the question: can a song be cheese and also be great?

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 11:13am


I think that a song (or an artist) can definitely be both cheese and great. Look at Tom Jones. That guy has made a career (very long one, at that) at being cheesy but also a lot of fun. I think the key for Jones is that he KNOWS he's cheesy, and therefore does it with a wink and plays it up. Put Tom Jones in the Hall, by God!

It is when an artist doesn't realize they are being cheesy that they get into trouble. At the same time, I think "Faithfully" is a genuinely moving tune with great hooks, yet it is cheesy with a straight face about it. Rare, but Journey pulled it off. They failed with a tune like "Open Arms", though. That is cheesy and bad.

But to answer your question, you can be cheesy and be great. It is easier when you are self conscious about it and have fun with it all (like Tom Jones), but if can even happen when cheese is the unintended by-product. That is more rare, though.

Somehow we should bring this conversation back around to Mellencamp. "Jack and Diane" could be characterized as a somewhat cheesy song, but it is still a catchy little pop ditty.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 14:52pm


Jack and Diane = cheesey? You think?
I hope I don't have a huge blind spot here, and I don't want to categorically endorse every musical note JM ever sired... but I can't feel that.

"Hold on to 16, as long as you can.
Changes come around soon, make us women and men.

Oh yeah life goes on
Long after the thrill of livin is gone"

It may not be Elvis Costello, I can see that,
but it's a far cry from cheese, isn't it?
And the little ditty guitar hook is deliciously catchy, I always thought.

I can hear how a lot of the rest of the album (American Fool) and some of Uh-Huh is cheeseball, though. Tell me I'm not deaf and tasteless, please!

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 15:53pm


Calling Open Arms or Faithfully cheesy is just a way for a guy to keep his macho exterior, while still liking the songs. It is sort of like that scene from "Tommy Boy" in which Spade and Farley are in the car singing rock songs and then a "love ballad" comes on and they sort of look at each other, telling themselves, "I like this song, but will he think I am a wuss." Then of course they realize that both like the song - It is a great scene.

It is obvious that's what is going on here - those Journey Ballads were classics and were great, emotionally moving songs. Yes, it spawned some crap and shitty imitators, but that is not their fault and should not negate their accomplishments.

BTW, Shawn it is so obiovus what is going on with you. You acted immature and weird, got "reprimaned" by Kit and now are kissing everyone's asses in these rooms - that will be 120.00 for that interpretation.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 19:12pm


"Do I take it personally and feel it is a comment on my self-worth?"

Dezmond, you seem like an all around nice guy, but I disagree. yes, for some it would not bother them, yet for others it will. Thus, being a bit more sensitive would be for the latter group - kapeesh :-)

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 19:15pm


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Posted by t on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 19:21pm


"Yet I feel it is perfectly fine to insult my favorite bands if someone wants to."

I agree with that too...I have no problems with that either. My main beef is when somone does so with no rationale at all or just denies or distorts facts.

For instance, saying Rush has had no influence is plain wrong...that's how I feel about that issue....

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 05.10.07 @ 20:23pm


Anonymous... Jesus H. Christ,...

Do you understand that you are "That Guy".
Why do you have to keep interjecting your bad breathed quack and yak? Dude, you try so,so hard to be smart and right, but it's almost always at the expense of calling someone else Idiot; do you even remotely comprehend the mammoth irony in that?

You are the only one - the ONLY one on this site that I do not highly respect and the only one I have become agitated with and thrown punches with. I honestly don't know how the others tolerate you. At one time or another I have read them all elbow you to the head, and you just keep on with your venemous Barney Fife act.

I am begging you Anon - just shut the fu*k up and stick to your post at the Rush house. Please shut the fuk up.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 01:21am


"Calling Open Arms or Faithfully cheesy is just a way for a guy to keep his macho exterior, while still liking the songs."

I am deeply in love with JOni Mitchell, I love almost all her songs, especially her love songs. They are so beautiful and complex and nuanced and all sorts of positive adverbs. I get laughed at by some of my "macho man" acquaintances who tell me to turn that weak shit off while I'm cranking "Cactus Tree" or "Both Sides Now." So, just a qualifier, I"m not concerned about macho.

I cannot stand Faithfully, I cannot stand Open Arms. They are garish poor imitations of life.. They're so over-the-top and cloying and look-at-me that it grates, and it also calls their sincerity into question. And if you're gonna sit there and lie to me, I'm not gonna keep the radio on you. That's just my take, and why Journey is on my personal shit list.

Posted by Kit on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 01:52am


Also, I think we're all overlooking t's valuable contribution to this multi-layered discussion.

Posted by Kit on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 01:53am


I think T was trying to say T-T-TIMMAY!

Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 02:22am


I respect your opinion, but I disagree. It is interesting how you rarely respond to my posts, but this one struck a "chord." In any event, those were moving and very emotional songs, which would explain why they were so, so, so huge for Journey at the time- sometimes things are simple.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 05:45am


"I am begging you Anon - just shut the fu*k up and stick to your post at the Rush house. Please shut the fuk up."

Dude, you are getting agitated again...and plain rude. As for my observations of you, they are just that - I seem to have hit a "nerve." Remember Kit's advice, stick to talking about music. Just because you don't agree with everything I say does not mean I am "Barney Fife."

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 05:48am


"They are so beautiful and complex and nuanced and all sorts of positive adverbs. I get laughed at by some of my "macho man" acquaintances"

Honestly, I was not even referring to you. It was the two people that were calling those songs cheesy.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 05:50am


Not to beat a dead horse. But, to clarify my reference about the cheesy / macho thing was specifically referring to people saying that they like the songs and simultaneously calling them cheesy. That clearly did not apply to Kit, who thinks all of Journey's music "sucks." Just wanted to clear that up - thus your "defenive" post with Joni M. was unncessary

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 06:11am


Again, why is cheesy bad? Journey's power ballads are objectively cheesy. There is no subjective about it. I just happen to think that "Faithfully" is quality cheese (say, some nice sharp cheddar), while "Open Arms" is bad cheese (say, the generic brand "cheese food product" offered at discount grocery stores). That is really the difference between "Faithfully" and "Open Arms". One, good cheese. The other, bad cheese.

Protecting any macho exterior has nothing to do with it. Although, talking so much power ballads does make me want to go listen to some Motorhead now.

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 08:22am


So Dezmond - where on the cheese-o-meter would we find Jack and Diane?

Using Kit's cheese radiation meter of cloying obviousness, would you concur with these random examples?:

Meatloaf's "2 out of 3 Ai'nt Bad" = stinky cheese

Foreigner's "I Want to Know What Love Is" = moldy cheese

Styx's "Lady" = diseased cheese

Bon Jovi's "Wanted Dead or Alive" = bad cheese


Looking Glass' "Brandy" = good cheese

Hall & Oates "Rich Girl" = good cheese

Phil Collins' "In the Air Tonight" = good cheese

Harry Chapin's "Cats in the Cradle" = good cheese

others?....

Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 09:20am


anon: "That clearly did not apply to Kit, who thinks all of Journey's music "sucks."

For the love of-- will you ever, ever, ever let that go, Gollum?

Here's a new chew toy for you that should last another 6 months; go fetch!: Rush sucks ass.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 09:29am


"Again, why is cheesy bad?"


Cheesy = poor taste = bad / not good

Posted by Anon on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 14:44pm


Anon says: "...- those Journey Ballads were classics and were great, emotionally moving songs.

yet also: "Cheesy = poor taste = bad / not good"

"It is obvious that's what is going on here.."

Is it?

Wha-- whazza? Whozzu? Flim flammety sproink-en-doink? I think your tin foil cap is picking up some interference there, Cap'n.

See, right now we're quantifying the nuances of "Cheese" and what defines it; we're really exploring that space, baby.
--Kit says bad cheese occurs when it's melodramatic and self agrandizing, and therefore disingenuous.
---Creep says he like the 80's power cheese.
----Dez says it's relative and identifies levels of cheese, even within the same artist's offerings.

I'm submitting specific examples for consideration. I know it's not as fun for you as clobbering people with your wiffle bat and intimating that was yet another of your "burn-on-you's", but give it a try Anon; come on. Play nice and join in.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 15:32pm


I would quantify them as follows:

Bad cheese: Lady

I Know It Is Bad Cheese, But Dammit, I Like It Anyway: I Want To Know What Love Is

Good cheese: 2 Out of 3 Ain't Bad, Wanted Dead or Alive

Negligible Cheese Content (as in, just good songs): In the Air Tonight, Rich Girl, Cat's in the Cradle

No opinion: Brandy

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 16:16pm


Ask a 1000 people, "If something is referred to as cheesy" what does it mean?

I bet they all answer: not good, bad, crappy, in poor taste, etc. Somehow, mb I am crazy, but that just does not sound good.

Sorry, I am not joining in the cheese measuring...seems sort of cheesy.

Sorry if I am not "fitting in" but what can I say...

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 17:01pm


For funny...see Huey Lewis blog....

Posted by ANON on Friday, 05.11.07 @ 17:28pm


okay, I probably didn't need to qualify my statement with the Joni stuff. But, here's my take on why cheesy=bad.

I view Journey songs as the 50s Ed Wood directed movies. Instead of burying the hooks and the cheap devices they use, they just have them bare and out there. You can see the wires holding up their flying saucer, if you'll indulge my metaphor. That's why I can't stand them, and that's definitely how I define cheese. Some cheese (like some Ed Wood films) become so-bad-they're-good, but this is rare, and when we're talking Rock Hall, they are negligible, just as Ed Wood never had to worry about what he was wearing to the Oscars.

Posted by Kit on Saturday, 05.12.07 @ 15:12pm


It's really amazing and a shame that JM hasn't been inducted in the Hall. The only thing I can think of is he made some enemies with his behavior along the way. Those that think of him as a "pop singer" have not listened to his body of work, guaranteed. "Words and Music" gives a fine overview and that album alone qualifies him, but he goes deeper than that. Although he's no springsteen (who is?), he is at least as worthy as Petty or Seger.

Posted by Bill on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 09:43am


Couldn't agree more heartily, Bill.

If Bob Seger, Tom Petty, Jackson Browne and Billy Joel are all considered worthy... where the hell is John Mellencamp?
Of the above 4, I would only consider Tom Petty as possibly "superior". I love Petty too, and would put JM's catalog (from American Fool/Uh-Huh on) on par with TP's.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 10:12am


My take....Joel and Petty are better than JM. But, JM is better than Seger and Browne

Posted by Anon on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 12:23pm


I'd rank them Petty, Browne, Mellencamp, Seger, Joel.

Posted by Kit on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 15:51pm


Na...lyrically and musically Joel is the front runner...not to mention that his greatest hits album is fifth best selling of all time.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 18:19pm


I like all those artists and my ranking is strictly my opinion, but I feel Joel's lowlights drag him down. Petty has yet to have the sort of mis-step Billy had all through the eighties.

Actually, put Joel ahead of Seger, that's closer to the truth.

That's the awesome thing about musical opinions, I don't even know what I think.

Posted by Kit on Monday, 05.14.07 @ 19:32pm


Yeah, totally awesome, gag me with a spoon...

Posted by Anon on Wednesday, 05.16.07 @ 12:17pm


...what?

Posted by Kit on Wednesday, 05.16.07 @ 14:29pm


It was a poor attempt at humor b/c you had said "awesome." Remember back in the day, valley girl....anyway, it was dumb

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, 05.16.07 @ 19:31pm


John is way over due .... makes you relly wonder about the whole selection process !!

Posted by Debbie on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 20:10pm


JOHN SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE ROCK N ROLLL HALL OF FAME AS SOON AS HE WAS UP AND THAT WAS IN 2001...ITS TIME TO ROCK N ROLL WITH JOHN BEING IN....SOME DAYS I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!!PEACE

Posted by RHONDA on Monday, 05.28.07 @ 05:31am


John Cougar was not different or influential. Just top 40 garbage. He is a fuckin sell out too...no way

Posted by Gary on Tuesday, 06.5.07 @ 16:41pm


"He is a fuckin sell out too.."

Can you tell me what you mean by sellout, Gary?

Posted by shawn mc on Tuesday, 06.5.07 @ 17:36pm


John Cougar Mellencamp is to Bruce Springsteen what the Beatles are to Freddie and the Dreamers. Actually, if they would quit filling the HOF with such as the Jackson Five, the Ronettes and all of that (c)rap, there would be plenty of room for Mellencamp, Jethro Tull, the Moody Blues, Chicago, ELP, ELO and Yes!

Posted by punster1941 on Friday, 06.22.07 @ 03:55am


Sorry punster1941, but anyone with ears or an appreciation for the canon of rock would take Jackson Five/The Ronettes over any of those dated, and dare I say it, boring classic rock acts you mentioned.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 06.22.07 @ 13:46pm


Hey, Casper - Everybody knows that classic rock rules, with the Beatles as its masters. Using the term "rock" to describe the Ronettes is like characterizing something from McDonals's or Pizza Hut as "food". You're probably a big Archies fan, and it wouldn't surprise me if your all-time favorite song was "Chapel of Love".

Posted by punster1941 on Sunday, 06.24.07 @ 20:01pm


Casper you seriously prefer the Ronettes to Jethro Tull!! I mean I am not even sure you can call the ronettes musicians.Jethro Tull were great musicians and their early bluesy prog songs are definitly not boring and dated.
PS: I am 18 now in 2007 and not in 1969. the consideration is also true for all those bands punster cited
For me Jackson5 and ronettes are just fun, bands like Jethro Tull, Chicago etc are music.
I thought you were a serious guy, how disapointed i am^^!

Posted by roméo on Tuesday, 09.4.07 @ 13:16pm


The music of J5 and The Ronettes is amongst the catchiest, most meticulously crafted pop music of the era. Jethro Tull and Chicago have no music of such caliber.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 09.4.07 @ 14:32pm


John Mellencamp is an anti-American pig. He talks about how "great" America is in songs like "Pink Houses" and "Our Country", but he just contradicts himself. He might donate money to the farmers every year, but what pisses me off is how he invited Joan Baez to protest the war in front of Walter Reade Hospital where there were,and still are heroic patriotic troops recovering from Iraq. That is totally 100%
UN-AMERICAN, and honoring him into the RnR hall of fame would be just like when the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Yassir Arafat. He should be in the wall of shame

Posted by danny on Sunday, 09.23.07 @ 07:46am


"but what pisses me off is how he invited Joan Baez to protest the war in front of Walter Reade Hospital"

danny, please don't bother voicing your opinion if you're simply planning on echoing what a load of other people have said. to comment on his musical career is one thing (which you didnt do), but to comment and calls omeone UN-AMERICAN just because he's an artist against the Iraq war (and there are PLENTY more which you haven't commented on) is another and is quite unnecessary

Posted by liam on Sunday, 09.23.07 @ 07:58am


here's what i think of his music career
his songs are all dull, he has a terrible singing voice, and just in addition to being UN-AMERICAN he's just not a talanted musician
that is my final opinion
enough said

Posted by danny on Sunday, 09.23.07 @ 08:40am


a final opinion which says nothig about whether or not he should be inducted. well done

Posted by liam on Sunday, 09.23.07 @ 09:03am


" John Mellencamp is an anti-American pig...he just contradicts himself. He might donate money to the farmers every year, but what pisses me off is how he invited Joan Baez to protest the war"

Yea, because voicing your heartfelt opinion is just so blatantly counter to American values. danny, you're a fucking fevered caricature - a farce - of patriotism. What part of wishing soldiers would be safe at home and not DIE, moron, speaks of being "anti-troops"?!!!!!!!

By "anti-American" do you mean that Mellencamp and everyone else whose perspective is not in lock step with Dubya is secretly fascist, or communist, or part of a terrosrist jihad or longs for the economic subversion of the greatest nation on earth or kicks puppies or loathes the Constitution or hates baseball and Labor Day picnics? What the fuck does "anti-American" mean to you, you thick, self righteous, blind, ignorant, talking-out-of-your-ass, cardboard patriot?

"Face of the Nation", "Small Town", "Jackie Brown", "When Jesus Left Burmingham", and on and on and on - Mellencamp is a goddamn American bald eagle. He has chosen to voice countless poignant, honest and even painfull questions and sympathies in song for the absolute definition of American lives.

You're a fucking imbecile.

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 09.23.07 @ 12:37pm


I said it before and I'll say it again. It's amazing the amount of hate and disrespect Mellencamp gets. I guarantee without a doubt many of those who disrespect him have not listened completely to his albums. To those ignorant idiots who think he is nothing more than a shallow pop singer, go listen to HUMAN WHEELS, or JOHN MELLENCAMP, or FREEDOMS ROAD a couple of times with an unbiased ear. He's consistently made solid music for over 20 years, yet noone seems to listen.

Posted by Bill on Saturday, 09.29.07 @ 13:48pm


He's a LOCK this year (FINALLY). 3 decades of incredible writing... For those of you who don't seem to know how things work in advertising...the songs come first, then the corporations come in and buy them up because they are GOOD, CATCHY or fit the image they want to place on their product. Hello, legends like the Who sell their songs all the time and John Lennon's "Instant Karma" was the song for NIKE for quite awhile. So saying he sold out to Chevy is an argument that just doesn't hold water. Fact is, Mellencamp has 10 to 15 iconic songs that have stood the test of time and that is alot more than half the people already in the Rock Hall. He deserves to be in and will be this year.

Posted by Randy on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 12:34pm


Continued...

Ain't Even Done with the Night, I need a Lover, Hurts So Good, Jack & Diane, Crumblin Down, Pink Houses, Authority Song, Play Guitar, Small Town, Lonely Ol Night, R.O.C.K in the USA, Paper in Fire, Cherry Bomb, Check it Out, Jackie Brown, Your Life is Now, Peaceful World... the dude is a lock this year... FINALLY.

Posted by Randy on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 13:01pm


not really worthy...A BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN KNOCK-OFF.

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN IS ALREADY IN THE HALL OF FAME, WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER ONE.

Posted by Charleton on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 14:43pm


not really worthy...A BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN KNOCK-OFF.

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN IS ALREADY IN THE HALL OF FAME, WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER ONE.

Posted by Charleton on Monday, 10.1.07 @ 14:43pm


To call him a Springsteen knock-off is asinine. He got that label early in his career and it hasn't been accurate since 1980. Get with the times. Mellencamp most certainly deserves induction and will get in this year. It's long overdue. He'll shut the mouths of his moronic detrators once and for all.

Posted by David on Wednesday, 10.3.07 @ 23:40pm


I think he was trying to be Springsteen in the Jack and Diane era but in the mid 80's managed to carve out a niche for himself by combining rockabilly and square dance music....kind of a neat sound. Songs like Walk Tall are a positive message..........

Posted by SG on Wednesday, 10.3.07 @ 23:57pm


"but in the mid 80's managed to carve out a niche for himself by combining rockabilly and square dance music....kind of a neat sound." -SG

Appreciate your support of JM, SG, but he wasn't remotely either of those charicatured sounds. That's just silly - but that's what you were probably going for.
I hope he finally gets in for 2.5 decades of great stuff.

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 10.4.07 @ 10:30am


"Appreciate your support of JM, SG, but he wasn't remotely either of those charicatured sounds. That's just silly - but that's what you were probably going for." Shawn


"LONESOME JUBILEE is great lyrically and thematically, but what really makes it special is the instrumentation. Few people at that time were integrating overtly folkish instrumentation (fiddles, accordians, banjos) with a sold rock and roll base. as unlikely as it may at first blush may seem, that record was the perfect link between what Buffalo Springfield, The Byrds and Gene Clark were doing in the 60's and early 70's and the Alt Country / No Depression movement with the likes of Uncle Tupelo, Son Volt, Wilco, Whiskeytown, Ryan Adams, etc. One of the real links there is the LONESOME JUBILEE record."

Posted by Dezmond on Tuesday, 05.8.07 @ 08:59am


I just spent the last hour and a half reading this whole - I don't know what to call it. I copied it all to save as classic internet slugfest. Dezmond said what I was trying to say in a much more learned fashion. As you probably know by now I don't try to take this all so seriously. I have no aspirations of being a "rock and roll intellectual." There's enough prima donnas on the Nominating Committee and elsewhere here. Where music is concerned it's better to go with your feelings and not think too much. Please don't take anything I say personally. Peace to all. God bless.

Posted by SG on Friday, 10.5.07 @ 02:09am


man this john, is another one.. who shouldve been inducted years ago.. whats wrong with some peps these days.. come on.. put him through

Posted by popeye on Sunday, 10.7.07 @ 13:23pm


Let me just say that the above comments were generic enough that it could just be someone else named Shawn. I don't claim to know.

Posted by William on Monday, 10.22.07 @ 05:40am


How is Mellencamp not in already? Way, Way, Way, Way....Overdue!

Posted by Shane on Monday, 10.29.07 @ 16:35pm


Way, Way, Way, Way....Overdue


Overdue my ass. I respect your opinion "shane" but Mellencamp to me has not left a memorable note in the history of Rock and Roll. I think Roger Frieidman said it right that Mellencamp is a Bruce Springsteen wannabe, and Springsteen isn't that good of an artist.Steve Miller,Three Dog Night, Carole King, Jim Croce,Steve Winwood,Jethro Tull, ELP (to name a few), have all left memorable marks in RNR. Mellencamp only got nominated because Jann Wenner is a cheap fucking bastard with no respect for these artists. Mellencamp has shit songs a bad voice and it leaves a shit trail

Posted by Anyonomous on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 17:20pm


HAHAHAHAHA...... Is this really you saying this shit, Anon?

Posted by shawn on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 19:18pm


That was not me...some other dude posing as me :-) I think JM is pretty good and I like his music...I am on the fence for the hall, but that was not me

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, 11.8.07 @ 19:23pm


In Regards to Anyonomous (note spelling), those who state JM is a Springsteen wannabe have not bothered to listen to all of JM's work, and anyone who states that Springsteen isn't that good of an artist loses all semblance of credibility. JM's music and sound is original and his own. The only similarity to Bruce is their exploration of issues relevant to Americans. Both do it in their own style.

Posted by Bill on Friday, 11.9.07 @ 11:02am


Hey Kit, Mellancamp should be in regardless of the name change or not. Do you think he is the only artist who has done that. Your probably the same a hole who will vote for that no talent pig britney.

Posted by Randy on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 11:30am


"Your probably the same a hole who will vote for that no talent pig britney."-Randy

And you're probably that kid who slept through class the day they were discussing homonyms and logical fallacies.

Posted by William on Saturday, 11.17.07 @ 11:44am



Hurts So Good (hurts listening to that song)
I Need A Lover (One I can impregnate at 17)
Our Country(a country that calls the Iraq war BS)
Pink Houses (gay community)
Authority Song (cops should banish him)
Jack and Diane (a corny ballad about assholes)
R.O.C.K. in the U.S.A.(for a "good cause" like
impeaching the president)
Rain on the Scarecrow (rain on this)
I'm Not Runnin Anymore (from a hick town)

Mellencamp's as American as a rotten apple shoved up my ass. He should go fuck himself
and stay the hell away from the Hall of Fame FOREVER. No wonder why his fans are called Melon
Heads
because they have no fucking brain to see that he's been a no good RnR wannabe for 30 years

Posted by greg on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 14:34pm


I forgot other songs
When Jesus Left Birmingham (to participate in the riot)
Crumblin Down (I hope the walls crumble on him)
Cherry Bomb (flush him down the toliet with a cherry bomb)
Peaceful World (yeah one with a schmuck president like Clinton)

FUCKING WUSS SELL OUT

Posted by greg on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 14:41pm


Ha you're really fucking funny greg, you know that?

In a juvenile, right-wing, baptist american shit for brains kind of way.

Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 14:44pm


In a juvenile, right-wing, baptist american shit for brains kind of way.

Not quite,
I'm jewish, from N.Y.C. and know what music is great or what sucks

Posted by greg on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 14:58pm


"Mellencamp's as American as a rotten apple shoved up my ass."

Danny, anyone?

Also, I'll be the judge of whether you know what is great and what is not. Afterall, I am Liam, Arbiter of Good Taste!!!!!!!!

Posted by Liam, Arbiter of Good Taste on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 15:03pm


I am Liam, Arbiter of Good Taste!!!!!!!!

WRONG. I can name artists, bands who can kick JM in the behind, and should get in the hall of fame before him


Steve Winwood
Doobie Brothers
Procol Harum
Moody Blues
Carole King
Steve Miller
Cheap Trick
Jim Croce
Emerson Lake Palmer
Yes
King Crimson
Billy Squier
Foreigner
Bad Company

and beleive me Liam all of them are a million times better than JM and he's not worthy of
shining their shoes, or wiping their asses





Posted by greg on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 15:20pm


Yeah, wait, did I ever actually say he was good?

Or bad, for that matter?

And I could name better artists thann those you listed

Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 15:25pm


"And I could name better artists thann those you listed"

Name your artists now I DARE YOU

Posted by greg on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 16:13pm


This list is kind of dubious, as I actually am into some of the bands you listed. But here we go:

The Smiths
The Cure
New Order
Joy Division
Brian Eno
Kraftwerk
Roxy Music
Franz Ferdinand
Pixies
David Bowie
Jesus & Mary Chain
The Cribs
T. Rex
Arcade Fire
MBV
Radiohead
Sonic Youth
The Rolling Stones
Echo & the Bunnymen
Talking Heads
The Streets
REM
Blur
BRMC
The Stooges
The Doors
The Who
The Kinks

In no particular order, and I'm bound to remember some more once this is posted.



Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.8.07 @ 16:21pm


You Mellencamp haters are really ridiculous. Go away now, really. Theres no place for you here. I wouldn't mind if you came up with some intelligent anti-JM arguments, but you can't. Your views revolve around matters of taste, not credibility. Now I can go on and on JM and his band, but if you haven't got it by now, you never will, so I won't waste my breath. He's finally in. All that matters.

Posted by Bill on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 09:37am


"You Mellencamp haters are really ridiculous"

Absolutely not you "Melon Heads" are ridiculous to see that Mellencamp is a god. well to me and others he's as exciting as a bear caught in a strap screaming and that i'd rather listen to.

"I wouldn't mind if you came up with some intelligent anti-JM argument"

Mellencamp can't sing to save his life and his songwriting is shitty He can't write good music
and he says he's "all-American" when really he ridicules our president and the present war. That's not American, that's not patriotism, he's just another Bin Laden of Saddam, or anti-American twat (pardon my language) hiding in stupid Seymour, Indiana, which is the last place I'd visit in my life

Posted by greg on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 17:17pm


Mellencamp is as American as:

1.A bald eagle shot and kicked into the gutter
2.Spoiled Apple Pie
3.A torn American flag
4.Adolf Hitler
5.Socialism
6.and finally Fecal matter

It's the truth, get used to it

Posted by harry on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 17:45pm


Hello danny - what demon gnaws at your diseased Frankenpatriot brain that compels you to slobber out such puerile hatred for John Mellencamp?

You have no actual knowledge of the man's music, and you're obviously of the same cloth as a Nazi skinhead; only thing that distinguishes you from other hate filled animals like white supremicists and Al Quaida terrorists is you grabbed an American flag to draape over your need to hate in your juvenile attempt to legitimize it.

But ain't that America, you and me? Home of the free.

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 12.9.07 @ 23:08pm


"and he says he's "all-American" when really he ridicules our president and the present war."

Do you mind specifying which one, as if you didn't realize, there are quite alot of wars going on right now.

Also, if you're idea of "patriotism" is mindless obedience and zero-critiscism to whatever government happens to be in power, then you're an incredibly stupid little fuck head who will gain no respect on this site.

Posted by liam on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 11:18am


"Also, if you're idea of "patriotism" is mindless obedience and zero-critiscism to whatever government happens to be in power, then you're an incredibly stupid little fuck head who will gain no respect on this site."

Not on the entire website, just on this particular web page of JM, I respect every other artist on this site, I just feel like playing some hardball with you guys.

"Do you mind specifying which one, as if you didn't realize, there are quite alot of wars going on right now".

George W. Bush, and the war in Iraq of course

Posted by harry on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 16:52pm


Hello danny - what demon gnaws at your diseased Frankenpatriot brain that compels you to slobber out such puerile hatred for John Mellencamp?You have no actual knowledge of the man's music, and you're obviously of the same cloth as a Nazi skinhead; only thing that distinguishes you from other hate filled animals like white supremicists and Al Quaida terrorists is you grabbed an American flag to drape over your need to hate in your juvenile attempt to legitimize it.

I'm afraid you're mistaken I'm not danny, it's just a coincedence that we share the same opinion,so don't assume we're the same person OK.
I'm not Aryan and I'm not a terrorist. You totally twisted my words. I was merely saying that his badmouthing our country resembled how terrorists or Hitler badmouthed us, and ridiculed us. I apologize if I wasn't specific
or if I didn't put it that way.

Posted by harry on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 16:59pm


Well harry, if your U.S.ofA. beatin' heart motivates you so forcefully as to feel comfortable placing Mellencamp's own American sentiments side by side with fecal matter, Adolf Hitler, a vandalized flag and a dead bald eagle, then I'm going to go ahead and assume that you have a very thorough knowledge of John Mellencamp's music and an abundance of examples to give us of his reprehensible anti-American propaganda, yes?

Let's hear the specifics. I'm very curious because I own every one of his albums since American Fool and don't hear what you have obviously unearthed.
Please share.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 18:15pm


Shawn, or whoever you are today I really think I was clear in my posting and all you seem to do at this site is start arguments with people about things that are not even related to music.

Posted by harry on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 19:24pm


Hey "harry" or whoever YOU are - (you better be very careful... hahaha)- I asked you a very specific question that is both entirely about music and is a response to YOUR own post.

YOU said John Mellencamp is "..just another Bin Laden of Saddam, or anti-American twat.."

You also said:
"..his badmouthing our country resembled how terrorists or Hitler badmouthed us, and ridiculed us."

Those are strong accusations of a simple musician whom I happen to like very much and I happen to think you are full of shit and cannot back up your crap. So let's talk the music, bigmouth.

I am asking you, quite seriously: please expand on your point and give me your specific examples of Mellencamp's similarities to Hitler and Saddam.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 21:28pm


You watching this, Liam? He really thinks I can't see him under there. This is hilarious.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 12.10.07 @ 21:29pm


You can stress the same brainless gobble bobble till your red neck turns blue, but until you spit out some actual facts or sound reasons, it'll just be you pissing in the wind some more. loudmouth.

All you just did was reapeat your vague accusations. And this?: "Also he says his garbage towards the Americans as Al-Qaeda does through Al-Jazzera."
Uh (laughing) OK dude - and what would "his garbage towards the Americans" be?

He's acting like aterrorist? Does your pea-brain comprehend how insulting that is to people who combat actual terrorism?

"Like Saddam or Bin Laden JM says we're weak and not worthy of winning anything on account of the president."

Show me danny - put it here in print and show me the lyrics or the interview statements where Mellencamp says this kind of thing. Prove and demonstrate your stupid, stupid suspicions or shut the fuck up. You've no idea whatsoever what you are shouting on about.

harry/danny you are a certifiably demented, scary person. Go have another can of Schlitz and play with your ninja throwing stars.

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 12.12.07 @ 22:04pm


If you want proof like you want go to this webpage

http://www.commonpeople.org/views03/1022-13.html

He talks about being lied to by the government and wanting to take it back like Marxist style communism. There is my fucking proof on how "American" this guy is and if you say that it isn't good enough then the hell with you people

Posted by harry/danny on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 09:35am


"He talks about being lied to by the government and wanting to take it back"

You're an ass - because JM had and has the guts to tell the truth - the government DID lie. So, you lambaste him for speaking up about being lied to. Sounds to me like blaming the victim.

Posted by Ryan on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 09:40am


Ryan, the government didn't lie to us and you know it. We'e in Iraq for protection from being attacked and avoiding another 9/11. If someone was a true patriotic American, they would see how
much we need to be overseas. People like Charlie Daniels, the band Three Doors Down, director Steven Sodebourgh and actor/singer Gary Sinise went to Iraqto show us that we're winning the war, and how heroic and courageous our troops are. If lame asses like JM think we shouldn't be there and that George W. Bush is the worst president, then I think that they should move to Iraq. If anyhting I support our President and disapprove of people abusing their 1st ammendment rights

Posted by harry/danny on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 09:59am


NOTE: All views expressed by danny are strictly his own and not necessarily representing the opinions of all Americans.

Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 10:09am


"Ryan, the government didn't lie to us and you know it."

Yeah, the gov't and politicians are totally honest - sure, that is funny. Myself, Mellencamp, just see what really occurred and are willing to say something about it.

First, we went to Iraq to get the WMD's - never there. So, then the war had to be "remarketed." So, instead of getting these so called dangerous weapons that did not exist, it then became, Mission: "Iraqi Freedom". Well, which is it - did we go in to get the WMD's? or was it to free the Iraqi's? It only became the latter when we found no WMD's.

Anyone with half a brain knows that the only way to fight terrorism is to have top notch intelligence and clandestine operations throughout the world. Fighting a "traditional" war is a waste against terror groups, and in fact, has likely had the reverse effect (i.e. increased the hatred of America). Danny, you are a zombie that needs to wake up already.

Posted by Ryan on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 11:38am


Liam, give me your view on Mellencamp now, and don't say that he's the best, because that doesn't count. If you can find articles that contradict the articles that I gave, then do it.
Oh and by the way Noel Gallagher has nothing to do with this conversation. He's actually a GOOD musician. But post your own articles and I'll answer them. Deal???? This thing should be done fairly.

Posted by harry/danny on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 12:55pm


At the moment, I'd say my opinion isn't relevant: he's been inducted, and YOU were the one who used Mellencamp's so called "anti-patriotism" as a factor toward why he shouldn't be/have been inducted.

"If you can find articles that contradict the articles that I gave, then do it."

Why is the word of some internet random above mine? Do you associate the anonymity with proffesionalism?

"Oh and by the way Noel Gallagher has nothing to do with this conversation."

I wouldn't expect your sort to get that much of an inside joke. Maybe if you'd made the assertion...no, wait, even then...



Give me a reason why I SHOULDN'T just label your 'arguments' as crud.

Posted by liam on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 13:04pm


"YOUR IDOL IS A TRAITOR AND HE SHOULD BE HUNG AT THE GALLOWS.." - danny

GOOOOOOOOOOOOD Bless Aaaaamericaaaaaaaaaa, LAND THAT I LOOOOOOOOOVE.... and coopt to validate my severly disturbed thirst to hate something!!!

Your star spangled g-string is squeezing your balls to tightly, Captain America - it's making you very angry and very stupid. I hope you seek the help you need.

Your websites weren't anything resembling
"Proof", asswipe. One link didn't work, although the website commonpeople.org seems to be a human rights site of some sort, but I couldn't be sure because it was all in Spanish. Okeeeeeeee.....

The other, as Liam has reported, is a nutty right wing site dripping in the kind of maniacal twisted pseudo-patriotism you seem possesed by. They could name it KillanArab.com and it'd be more accurate.

That Mellncamp interview with Charlie Rose was twisted and mocked by your website in such ludicrous fasion that it's absurd to even comment. At worst Mellencamp is "revealed" to be a pacifist, perhaps naively optimistic about solving the problem of jihadist hatred with dialogue. He was being deferential and humble in saying that since he wasn't alive to witness Pearl Harbour he has no right to comment. That's called humility, you clouded dumbfuck.

You got anything from Mellencamp's actual lyric library, buttknob? You see, were you able to quote his in his music where he is "just like Al-Jazeera or Bin-Laden", then this would actually go to backing up your psycobabble, and in addition get us back onto something that resembles a music discussion (that word being a generous euphemism with you) here.

When you can't find anyhting incriminating, come back and I will actually give you one song you will find offensive in his catalogue...... assuming you can perceive its meaning.
Naw.

Posted by shawn on Friday, 12.14.07 @ 14:49pm


Shawn, Liam, Ryan have you any fucking idea what I'm trying to say. I think I was right the whole
time saying Mellencamp is a schmuck. You know what would happen if we didn't respond to Pearl Harbor, We'd be blown up by the Japanese, and if we didn't respond to 9/11 we'd be blown up by Bin Laden even more. Mellencamp isn't just a pacifist
he wants this country to be attacked so that he can bitch about it to the government and get attention. In songs like "Peaceful World", "Our Country", and other such "patriotic" songs he writes that he wants peace and freedom around the world, but with all these philosophies about not attacking the enemy, he's just a contradiction that won't shut his fucking yap, and all you people say is that he's at worst a "pacifist".
During his induction speech he's just going to
spew his pacifist philosophy at the audience in
addition to thanking his peers. He's only inducted because of politics and you know it, not because of talent and hard work.

Posted by harry/danny on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 07:24am


"Mellencamp isn't just a pacifist
he wants this country to be attacked so that he can bitch about it to the government and get attention."

(ala Dr. Evil: "Raw-iiiiight....") Mellencamp openly desires for his fellow Americans to die. This with the reasoning that it will reward him with attention.
Raw-iiiiight. Good one. After this, I believe I am done with you, crazy-eyes. A-Killa said it best: don't feed the troll (which I laughed out loud at, A-K.)

You stll don't have one single fucking line of proof to demonstarte your preposterous accusations - did you even try?
Here's one - look up the lyrics to "Rodeo Clown" off of his last album, see if you can figure out who he's singing about.

"Shawn, Liam, Ryan have you any fucking idea what I'm trying to say."

No, actually no...
you just keep screaming the same odd little angry-man mantra with no real thread of logic to back up your curious enmity for John Mellencamp; it's quite peculiar. Someone has infected your impressionable mind with this rabid and misguided parasite of hate, young man; was it a father, an uncle, an older brother?
In all seriousness, I hope you grow out of this frightening and reckless hostility - your attitude is what takes true patriotism and perverts it into a methed out cage fight version of it.

Being a true patriot isn't the same as being a fucking crazy college football fan; that fist pumping, bumper sticker, good 'ol boy, country music cornball shit is easy. Your testosterone gassed energy is better served and less dangerous were it to be channeled towards rooting for some big guys smashing each other on game day.

True patriotism is a much more somber, thoughtful area than you are capable of, ding-dong.

I'm not going to dignify your shit with any more responses, so go ahead and have your inevitable 'last word'. God help you, son.

Posted by shawn on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 08:00am


"Shawn, Liam, Ryan have you any fucking idea what I'm trying to say"

Then, either what you're saying is rancid shit, or you're just not trying hard enough, dick head.

"Oh and by the way Noel Gallagher has nothing to do with this conversation. He's actually a GOOD musician."

Woah, man. You DO realise Gallagher ISN'T American, don't you?

Posted by liam on Saturday, 12.15.07 @ 08:34am


I'm the only one who is actually making sense here. Oh and by the way liam, true patriotism is shooing away those who ridicule our president, and our war as well as hanging all the traitors.

Posted by harry/danny on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 07:59am


"I'm the only one who is actually making sense here."

Try changing that sentence to "I'm the only one that I can understand here", as you obviously playing by your own shitty rules.

"true patriotism is shooing away those who ridicule our president,"

That suggests that your president is a true patriot himself, not the whore monger he really is.

"and our war as well"

Your government, and if you're too STUPID to work out that that entails your president too, didn't even have the decency to admit, first time round, that there were no hidden weapons. Iraq was a ham fisted attempt to take control of the oil, and resulted in the deaths of thousands of troops and even more Iraqi citizens. At the moment, the West can't do any good: stay in Iraq, and continue the bloodshed between coallition forces and Taliban, or pull out and risk the lives of thousand of western-sympathists and supporters when the Taliban pour back onto the streets.

By going to Iraq in the first place, Bush only managed to increase friction between the East and the West.

I wouldn't think of that as "patriotism", would you?

"hanging all the traitors."

Hanging was abolished YEARS ago, dork. Not that the death penalty shoul still be in place...

Posted by liam on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 08:26am


Foghat. Johnny Winter. Lou Reed. Alice Cooper. Shit, AC wrote some great 3-4 minute rock songs. Grand Funk.........never a big fan but they were there from early on.
Nothing against John M. but how does he rate and Alice, Lou, Lonesome Dave/Foghat, Johnny Winter are overlooked. Lonesome Dave was the ultimate rocker, good guitar player, great singer. Rod Price of Foghat........if you think Duanne Allman and Derek Trucks stand on top of the slide heap check out the Foghat Live DVD. I have seen all three and Rod Price, may he rest in peace, carry's no one's guitar case for them.
Is Jeff Beck in?????? If not that is another farce. I watched Beck and Stevie Ray on tour together and no one, including Page or whoever, can play like Jeff Beck. To this day he still blows everyone else away.

Posted by j scott on Sunday, 12.16.07 @ 09:05am


"Jack and Diane" one of the worst songs of the boring 80's. There are much better artists outthere. Instead of Mellencamp, Jeff Beck should be in the RRHF.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 01.14.08 @ 00:38am


Before you flame, please read the entire post.

I am a HUGE Mellencamp fan. Not particularly fond of his politics, but musically I think he's a lot of fun to listen to. I think it's neat that he got to play at the first induction ceremony, just wish that Johnny Cash was still around to sing with him at this induction.

Having said that, the hall of fame is not for big sellers, or popular musicians, it's for monumental, influential and inspiring artists. I don't believe that he belongs in that category. I'm not here to name who should be in that isn't, regardless of who else does or doesn't get in, I don't think he should have.

Congratulations none the less, like I said, I like him.

PS

Sam, even he'll tell you that Jack and Diane is crap, he plays it because pther people like it.

Posted by TAG on Tuesday, 01.15.08 @ 12:03pm


TAG, if JM shouldn't get in, neither should many, many others who have already gotten in. If you want to limit it to The Beatles, Stones, Dylan, Springsteen, Elvis and a few others, fine, then he doesn't belong. But when the Hall lets Seger, Petty, Patty Smith, Van Halen, Ramones, among countless others in, JM unquestionably belongs.

Posted by Bill on Friday, 01.18.08 @ 13:45pm


If you are a true American who wants the U.S. to bomb the living shit out of our enemies then boycott JM's music because apparently he sides with the enemy because he doesn't want people to bomb Bin Laden in the event he's found. I was a JM fan until I saw him in 2003 in concert when he
spewed Anti-Bush and Anti-War messages and I've detested him since because I looked up to him as a true American and in reality he's a fraud. I've since listened to true Americans like Charlie Daniels, 3 Doors Down and Steve Miller who ACTUALLY care about the good 'ol U.S.A.

Posted by leonard on Friday, 01.18.08 @ 19:07pm


Bill, I agree that there are plenty of acts that might not be worthy, but it's funny, most of the acts you mentioned, in my opinion, are very deserving. Again for ongoing influence, The Ramones, Patti Smith and Petty are not going away in my lifetime. Van Halen really taught a lot of bands how to put on a good show, there were others before them, but they really perfected the idea of not standing on stage and just playing. Again, just my opinion, and this is no knock on Mellencamp, I have several albums on my ipod, and enjoy them regularly, just don't think that he is particularly original or influential. I do however agree about Seger for the same reasons, love his music, but don't think he should be in either (although he did, if I'm not mistaken, make a decent name for himself as a songwriter in addition to performer).

Posted by TAG on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 06:59am


Shut the fukk up Leonard - you're an imbecile.

Posted by Blue on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 09:34am


TAG, your sentiment has been echoed by others as far as influene goes and I understand that point of view. JM oddly has been much more influential for country artists than today's rock. Keith Urban, Kenny Chesney and others have cited JM as influential to their music. I just listened to The Lonesome Jubilee the other day for the first time in a while, and the freshness, eloquence and originality of that sound stood out as if I heard it the first time. I can't think of another record that sounds like that. This sound more often influences today's country than rock.
Influence is a funny thing, as is the course of popular music. Part of the problem is today's rock is more influenced by a certain rough line of artists, some of whom I mentioned in the previous post. What determines what college kids listen to has always been fascinating to me (and how much peer pressure affects that). By the way, how influential is Springsteen to today's music?

Posted by Bill on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 11:11am


Leonard obviously has some misplaced aggression issues. That, coupled with one of those dumb-downed 'us vs them' views of the world makes for a lovely combination. He's one of the worst kinds of mock patriots; I am embarrassed of him as a fellow American

Posted by Blue on Saturday, 01.19.08 @ 18:55pm


Leonard is obviously a joke. (nobody really thinks like him). Ignore him.

Posted by Bill on Sunday, 01.20.08 @ 11:33am


"At least I'm not a self hating American"

WHAT?!

Posted by Blue on Sunday, 01.20.08 @ 23:13pm


JOHN MELLENCAMP"AKA" JOHN KING MENSTRAL CRAMP"MY FAVPRITE ARTIST OF THE LAST 30 YEARS--YES JOHN I BOUGHT YOUR FIRST ALBUM IN 1979-BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU LOOKED COOL AND BOY WAS I WRONG--I BOUGHT ALL OF YOUR ALBUMS FROM 1979--2004 OR SO--NOW YOU SHOULD RETIRE PEACEFULLY-IN FLORIDA NEXT TO A JEWISH COUPLE SOMEWHERE AND ANYWAYS ITS AN HONOR TO SEE YOU GET INDUCTED IN TO THE HALL OF FAME IN 2008!NOW WITH YOU BEING INDUCTED AND ESPECIALLY WITH BILLY JOEL INDUCTING YOU--I FEEL THEY SHOULD WITHOUT QUESTION MAKE DWARF THROWING A TRUE LEGAL AND LEGITIMATE SPORT BUT THE TRUTH IS YOU AND BILLY SCARY ME YOU ARE BOTH EXTREMELY DANGEROUS INDIDIVIDUALS AND SHOULD APPREHENDED IMMEDIETLY AT ONCE BY THE NON CHURCH POLICE AND NON GESTAPO MUSIC AUTHORITY PEEPS...JOHN WHEN YOU SING"YOU CAN BEND ME OR BREAK ME BUT YOU GOTTA STAY CLEAR IN YOUR SONG"WALLS COME TUMBLING DOWN"I ALMOST SH-T IN MY PANTS A-SAP AFTER HEARING THAT LINE,,,(DUDE YOU HAVE HAD MORE PUTANG IN YOUR CAREER THAN A PUTANG PLANT( A LESBOSOS PLANT--FROM PLANET LESBOSOS)...ALSO WALLS--YOU MUST MEAN PUTANG WALLS COME TUMBLING JOYFULLY...EVERYONE GATHER AROUND AND NOW HERES THE DEAL...SHORT PEOPLE ARE VERY Dangerous-WHETHER BEING NUTRADOMIOUS OR NAPEOLEAN OR EVEN STALIN OR THE ULTIMATE SICKO TRICKY DICK VON ADOLF"THE H MAN" NIXON...YOU ARE NOW AN A.I.G.F.L. "AN IMMORTAL GENTILE FOR LIFE"...JOHN YOUR THE BEST AND THANKS... P.S. KEEP BEING OBNOXIOUS LIKE BILLY JOEL AND I'LL BIOTCH SLAP YOU(HAHA ONLY KIDDING HAHA ITS ALL COOL AND YOUR THE BEST AND YOU ROCK! MY BROTHER,PEACE,2008!P.S. YOU BETTER INVITE ME TO THAT CEREMONY..DAN BARCAN...NEW JERSEY,USA...

Posted by DAN BARCAN on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 10:00am


P.S.. JOHN YOU SHOULD BRING A REGULAR GUY LIKE ME(DAN BARCAN) UP ON STAGE FOR A SHORT INTRODUCTION-IT WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS YOU BEING THE FIRST REAL ARTIST WHO EVER CARED WHAT A FAN THOUGHT-- EVEN SLIGHTLY ABOUT HIS FANS!BUT YOU PROBABLY WONT AND PLUS I
'M ONE OF THE TRUE NON SIGNED TRUE ARTISTS ME (DAN BARCAN) OF THIS CENTURY AND LAST CENTURY(AND HOPEFULLY NEXT) ...P.S. YOU KNOW THE COMMON MAN THAT YOU SING ABOUT BUT DONT SEEM TO CARE ABOUT???OH WELL-CHANGE THAT AND YOU WILL CHANGE HISTORY SIR JOHNATHON... OH WELL I GUESS ITS WORTH A QUICK THOUGHT--DAN BARCAN...

Posted by DAN BARCAN on Sunday, 03.2.08 @ 10:17am


JOHN--HEY DAN SAYING HI AGAIN...-- LOOK::: LISTEN :::SINCE YOUR GERMAN AND BILLY JOEL IS JEWISH(AND DANGEROUS WHEN INTOXICATED--HEY DRIVE OVER AND THROUGH ANY HOUSES LATELY WILLIAM???BILLY SHOULD BE HIRED WITH JUST HIS LITTLE SPORTS CAR TO BE THE FIRST SMALL CAR AND SMALL PERSON SINGULAR RECKING CREW COMBINATION TO BE USED AS A HOUSE BULLDOZER AND A STADIUM DESTROYER AND REMOVER--OH WAIT A SECOND::: SOMEONE JUST DROVE THROUGH MY LIVING ROOM::i KNEW I SHOULD NEVER HAVE RENTED A HOUSE IN LONG ISLAND,,,P.S.NOW BILLY DON'T YOU LAUGH AT ALL::: DO YOU POSSIBLY KNOW WHATS ITS LIKE TO BE DANCING(LIKE FRED ASTAIRE INCOINCIDENTALLY IN THE AIR WHILE YOUR EATING DINNER OR SITING ON YOUR COUCH IN YOUR LIVING ROOM--I THINK I LEARNED HOW TO FLY THANKS TO YOU BILLY SCMUCK BUT ITS ALL COOL-ITS OK::ITS ALL GOOD--YOUR BRO IS HERE::: ANYWAYS JOHN WHAT WAS I SAYING??OH YEA--I'M BOTH JEWISH AND ENGLISH AND GERMAN(WITH AN IRISH FIRST AND LAST NAME WITH AN ENGLISH BACKGROUND--YOU WONDER WHY I'M SO F-CKED UP???ANYWAYS JOHN AND BILLY LIKE DOESN'T THAT MEAN WE SHOULD ALL BE AT THE HALL OF FAME TOGETHER??? WE ARE ALL BROTHERS ANYWAYS:::OH WAIT A SECOND--DAMN I MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT--I HAVE TO PICK MY NOSE AND WATCH MORE TELEVISION RE-RUNS THAT NIGHT--IS IT MARCH 10TH GUYS??...JOHN ITS ABOUT ALL OF US--ALL 3 OF US--AND MAINLY YOU JOHN AND YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS)THE ROCK AND ROLL FAMILY-DON'T SELL OUT COMPLETELY(SAVE THAT FOR BILLY-- HAHA J/K)YOU GOTTA LET ME PRE--INTRODUCE YOU OR AT LEAST MINIMALLY HAVE A SEAT NEAR THE KING(ME)HAHA-- OK YOUR THE KING-I HATE TO ADMIT IT BUT YOUR THE BEST THING ROCK AND ROLLS GOT!HERES MY SPEECH:::LADIES AND GENTLEMAN::PEOPLE OF THIS INSTUTION WE CALL THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME ::JOHN MELLENCAMP IS THE FIRST SO CALLED ROCKSTAR TO ACTUALLY BRING UP ONE OF HIS FANS-MYSELF FOR SURE DAN BARCAN:::NOT DYLAN,JAGGER OR MCCARTNEY(THAT IRISH PRICK--(JOKING PAUL)-(I LOVE YOU BROTHER)FROM HIS AMAZING FIRST OFFICIAL ALBUM IN 1979 SIMPLY TITLED JOHN COUGAR SMOKING A CIG(THOSE THINGS ARE DANGEROUS JOHN--P.S. IS YOUR CHOLESTEROL STILL 240??YOUR SISTERS 300??))) LIKE A NEW JAMES DEAN OF HIS GENERATION I THINK I BOUGHT YOUR ALBUM IN 1979 AND A GUY CALLED DB COOPER THAT DAY(MY CAREER HAS GONE LIKE DB'S ITS ALL IN THE INITIALS-ANYWAYS!ALSO I WOULD LATER BUY CHESTNUT STREET INCIDENTS(AND EXPERIENCE HUMAN TORTURE FIRST HAND--JOHN BURN THOSE EARLY ALBUMS(JOKING)...LIKE MY IDOL DON RICKLES AKA "UNCLE FESTER" I TRULY ADMIRE YOUR ARTISTIC INTEGRITY THROUGHOUT THE YEARS--DON IS ONE OF YOUR ENTERTAINMENT PEERS YOUR BOTH OLDER THAN DIRT BUT WE ALL LOVE YOU ANYWAYS:::(P.S.ATTENTION JOHN OH JOHN ARE YOU THERE??EXCUSE ME" PLEASE BURN "NOTHING MATTERS WHAT IF IT DID" AND "AMERICAN FOOL ALSO--OK I TAKE THAT BACK ABOUT "AMERICAN FOOL",ANYWAYS JOHN IS REALLY ONE OF US NO MATTER HOW HARD HE TRIES NOT TO BE...HE SINGS FOR ALL OF US ABOUT THE STRUGGLES OF EVERYDAY LIFE FOR THE MODERN DAY MAN BASING A LOT OF THOSE THEMES ON GENERATIONS BEFORE US>>>MORE THAN ANY ARTIST SINCE WOODY GUTHRIE-JOHN IS THE TRUE VOICE FOR EVERYMAN -ESPECIALLY THOSE LIKE MYSELF WHO HAVE TROUBLE FINDING WORK- QUITE OFTEN(INCLUDING NOW),PEOPLE WHO ARE UNIQUE GET LEFT OUT"""I NEVER HAD NO WEIRD HAIR TO GET MY SONGS OVER" PEOPLE WHO DON'T FIT INTO THESE FAKE CORPORATIONS AND CONSTANT GREED MACHINES AND ANY GENERATION COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT::: MEANING ITS ABOUT--US ALL:::-- NOT JUST SOME OF US::: JOHN YOU BROUGHT THAT TO THE WORLDS ATTENTION THAT WE ALL CAN PLAY AT SOME POINT ON THE WORLDS STAGE WITH ARE TRULY UNIQUE VISIONS AND ARTISTIC ENDEAVORS AND FREE SPIRIT THOUGHTS AND INTELLECTUAL MINDS:::THANKS JOHN AND KEEP ON CHOOGLIN--THANKS JOHN FOGERTY AND WELCOME TO THE GENTILE HALL OF FAME AND SH-T+ WHOOPS:::JOHN FOGERTY PLESE ACCEPT YOUR AWARD A-SAP SORRY WRONG JOHN(FOGERTY),JOHN COUGAR MELLENCAMP YOU KNOW I MEAN YOU--THIS ENTIRE ROCK AND ROLL COMMUNITY OWES YOU GRATITUDE(DID I SPELL GRADITUDE RIGHT JOHN?WHY I HAVE NO DAMN IDEA??BUT WE ALL DO(OR IS IT DUE?)OR DOO?)JOHN NOW HERES YOUR FAVORITE DWARF AND MINE LADIES AND GENTLEMAN BILLY AKA WILLIAM JOEL TO GIVE YOU HIS FULL SPEECH OF WHAT YOU MEAN TO THE GENTILE AND NON GENTILE COMMUNTIES BILLY TAKE IT AWAY!DB IN DA GENTILE HOUSE--PEACE OUT PEEPS...DB...PRE HALL OF FAME SPEECH FOR JOHN COUGAR MELLENCAMP!!!(WE ALL HOPE THIS CAN BE FOR REAL BUT DONT COUNT ON IT...)DB...

Posted by DAN BARCAN on Wednesday, 03.5.08 @ 22:48pm


Hey John+Staff please if you don't mind reminding Jann Wenner for me and his and your staff please-- that i will need a Limo to and from the Waldorf Hotel,a private room,a song or 2,a speech or 2(all expenses and my complete stay paid for by Jann+yoru staff John(you have 100 million or so John this like a worker buying an extra sandwhich in his lunch pale at 7/11 for another worker-just a drop in the bucket!(Have Rolling Stone magazine right it off as a non diplomatic expense--a meeting of the gentile and non gentile minds if you feel more comfortable about that John+staff...Top of the Line treatment for me,myself and I(Dan Barcan) and all access to chill or as i put it john,,,chillski...Peace and hope to see you guys on monday!DB...

Posted by DAN BARCAN on Saturday, 03.8.08 @ 15:39pm


DAN...when Dr. Dimento gets inducted I'm almost POSITIVE he will send a limo for you!!!

Posted by Terry on Saturday, 03.8.08 @ 16:14pm


Wow. This board is even more interesting than Madonna's. Lets face it JM is simply a very mediocre artist. Ask anyone on the street how many songs can they name by him. You would be lucky to get two or three. Granted popularity is not prerequisit for the hall, but then again how many artists has he influenced?

I really can't think of one, he is kind of like the Beck of the hall of fame (self-contained and uninteresting).

Posted by Jake on Saturday, 03.22.08 @ 23:01pm


".but then again how many artists has he influenced?"

Gee - let's pretend like we can tell that with any degree of certainty and feel smart. What if I name 5 - will you then say something asanine like, "HO_HO! What a ridiculously small list of 5 your puny list of only 5 is... 5 is pathetic - you call that influence?"

This influence gauge is gay gay gay.

Posted by Blue on Saturday, 03.22.08 @ 23:20pm


The Clash
I fought the law and the law won

John Mellencamp
When I fight authority, authority always wins


Did John Mellencamp get the idea from The Clash?

Posted by Roy on Wednesday, 04.2.08 @ 09:27am


JAKE--I THINK I MAY BE THE ONLY ARTIST INFLUENCED(SLIGHTLY)BY JOHN KING COUGAR JOHNSON MENSTRAL CRAMPS...DAN b...

Posted by DAN BARCAN on Thursday, 04.10.08 @ 14:42pm


Good question Roy. I think that's a definite possibility, considering I know a lot about John and the Clash is one of my all-time favorite bands.
I never thought of them being influenced though.

Posted by a on Friday, 04.11.08 @ 07:37am


Jake, I would venture to say the average guy on the street knows at least as many JM songs as Springsteen songs. Most of his "Words and Music" album is very familiar to many. As far as influence, his music, especially Lonesome Jubilee era stuff is very influential to modern country/country rock.

Posted by Bill on Monday, 04.14.08 @ 16:57pm


I have pondered the question for a number of years regarding the current motives of various "High profile" award associations.
First as a fan of music, I have thousands of memories with a hand full of Groups and Solo artists that stand out.
Second, as an active writer arranger producer the awards I have received from my industry peers pale in comparison to the reward I receive from fans of songs that thankfully were and are a direct inspiration of groups, songs that have come before. I will not however mis-state or give the impression that monetary rewards do not have bearing on my ability to continue a career that has lasted 30 years plus. It goes with out saying, though it does bare repeating: In the business of music if something is done for nothing (no mutual monetary benefit), there would be no reason or need of an "industy" for delivery to todays world market of fans. Until the creation of the phonograph and the first ribbon recording devices, the only way to hear music was"live" or radio live". Since then we as the industry have peaked the mountain of visibilty and are now on track to reverting back to local fan-based support of live music while the digital age has created the deluted mix of High water marks of the memorable to the forgetable. Which brings me to my final point: The award shows are now being used as a marketing tool to sell musical works in every form possible. To award someone who advocates social and self induced destruction has in my opinion done far more damage to the credibility of all the peer based awards. What is memorable is the basis for "most" awards in our industry.
If ever I were awarded a second time, I would likely respectfully decline as I do not want to be in the same company of peers or recipients that will be remembered for its most embarassing moment.
That being said, John Couger Mellencamp merits his place as one of the greats, I fear the day that the awards industry will use his good name as an attempt to redeem itself!!!
Time will tell.

Scott Russell

Posted by Scott Russell on Tuesday, 04.15.08 @ 23:14pm


Rock & Roll Jeopardy
Category: If They Collaborated
If Prince and John Mellencamp were to write a song together, it would be called...

What is "Purple Rain on the Scarecrow"

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 07.23.09 @ 22:12pm


Rock & Roll Jeopardy
Category: If They Collaborated

If Pete Townshend & John Mellencamp were to write a song together, it would be called...

What is "Happy Jack & Diane?"

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Thursday, 07.23.09 @ 22:20pm


Distress ferments the humors, casts them into their meet channels, throws off redundancies, and helps feather in those secretive distributions, without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the man fake with cheerfulness.

Posted by Celexa on Tuesday, 08.24.10 @ 10:20am


Vex ferments the humors, casts them into their right channels, throws bad redundancies, and helps species in those hush-hush distributions, without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the man role of with cheerfulness.

Posted by Celexa on Tuesday, 08.24.10 @ 12:39pm


Vex ferments the humors, casts them into their proper channels, throws eccentric redundancies, and helps feather in those confidential distributions, without which the body cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the man role of with cheerfulness.

Posted by Celexa on Tuesday, 08.24.10 @ 14:43pm


Exercise ferments the humors, casts them into their right channels, throws off redundancies, and helps feather in those hush-hush distributions, without which the fuselage cannot subsist in its vigor, nor the incarnation role of with cheerfulness.

Posted by Celexa on Tuesday, 08.24.10 @ 16:38pm


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Posted by Exercise Bike on Sunday, 09.19.10 @ 03:23am


Be not fuming that you cannot get others as you desire them to be, since you cannot make yourself as you wish to be

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Posted by Makita on Saturday, 09.25.10 @ 12:24pm


A untroubled old maturity is the reward of a well-spent youth. Rather than of its bringing wretched and woebegone prospects of degenerate, it would give us hopes of timeless stripling in a less ill world.

Posted by Skill on Sunday, 09.26.10 @ 03:15am


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Posted by Jewels on Friday, 10.22.10 @ 11:46am


"Jack and Diane" one of the worst songs of the boring 80's. There are much better artists outthere. Instead of Mellencamp, Jeff Beck should be in the RRHF.

Posted by Sam on Monday, 01.14.08 @ 00:38am

Not me, people. I love plenty of the 80's, I kind of like Mellencamp (though I'm not sure about HOF worthy,) and I wasn't around here in '08. I agree on Jeff Beck though.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 11.3.10 @ 14:45pm


"Jack and Diane" is a great song. Me and my girlfriend, Diane (seriously), used to listen to this all the time and just rock out and make love to it. Then after she left me I used to beat off to it all the time. Still, Great tune!

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Posted by searchenginewatch on Monday, 11.8.10 @ 03:59am


Cherry Bomb-The Runaways 1976
Cherry Bomb-John Mellencamp 1987

China Girl-John Mellencamp 1982
China Girl-David Bowie 1983

Miami-John Mellencamp 1979
Miami-Bob Seger 1986

This Time-John Mellencamp 1980
This Time Bryan Adams 1983

Posted by Aaron O'Donnell on Saturday, 10.12.13 @ 12:36pm


One of the greatest RRHOF decisions was to elect John Mellencamp.I guess induct is the better word choice. Carried the Heartland baton when Dylan,Seger,etc. started it rolling.

Such timeless songs.Mellencamp songs told beautiful Midwestern stories.He even wrote about his life,his mistakes,& the common man.

Mellencamp was brilliant in bringing issues to light. His angry & soaring vocals on Scarecrow illustrated the plight of generations of farmers losing their farms. Love most of his songs. So many hits:Jack & Diane,Hurts So Good,What If I Came Knocking, Pink Houses,The Authority,R.O.C.K in the U.S.A. etc.

I see Mellencamp & Tom Petty similarly. Made so many sheer volume of great songs over a period of time.Had to be inducted.

Two things tipping the scales in John Mellencamp favor:1.He was one of the leading artists starting up The Farm Aid concerts.2.The excellent Cutting Heads CD which broadened his appeal to a newer younger audience. KING

Posted by KING on Thursday, 02.20.14 @ 14:00pm


Saw him last weekend in St. Louis! Very great show. Did a lot of his new songs (which were actually pretty good) and his 80s classics. No middle ground, meaning hardly any 90s or 2000s stuff. Still, no complaining. He still knows how to pack a house, and rock it! I can tell he's kind of showing his age, judging by the way he was walking. Maybe its just me. Either way, he's a legend in his own right. I hope to continue to my quest to see more RRHOFers this summer

Posted by Jason Voigt on Saturday, 06.6.15 @ 23:51pm


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