Happy Mondays

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Eligible since: 2010 (The 2011 Induction Ceremony)

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Will Happy Mondays be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
"Musical excellence is the essential qualification for induction."


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leading member of the Madchester scene, their induction is unlikely because of their lack of stateside sucess. Still, you should go and get Pills Thrills 'n' Bellyaches anyway.

Posted by Kit on Sunday, 06.10.07 @ 17:15pm

Followed Kit's advice, got PT&Ba and I am a fan now. Very clever, intriguing stuff; I like it.
How do you keep track of all the progressions and offshoots of indie/alternative from punk & post punk onward?

Are Happy Mondays similar to Stone Roses?

Posted by shawn mc on Thursday, 06.14.07 @ 13:23pm

Well shawn.

Sort of.

For ME, Stone Roses top the Mondays even if the Roses only made two albums of original material.

If your asking whether you should check out the Roses, my answer is YESYESYESYESYESYESYES.

but musically i don't think theyre exactly mirror images of one another.

Hope they get in but don't expect them too

Posted by liam on Thursday, 08.30.07 @ 14:16pm

The only stateside success i'm aware of them having was topping the dance charts with Hallelujah. Can anyone confirm this?

Posted by liam on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 10:23am

AMG doesn't list Hallelujah at all BUT it does show that they had some popular tracks on Alternative Rock stations.

Modern Rock Charts:

Kinky Afro - #1
Step On - #9
Stinkin Thinkin - #21
Bob's Yer Uncle - #23

And the radio success of "Step On" netted in some moderate single sales reaching #57 on the comprehensive chart.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 14:06pm

I checked wikipedia and it turns out that it was Stinkin' Thinkin' that went #1 in the dance charts

Posted by liam on Friday, 10.26.07 @ 14:29pm

Talking about Essential Albums, I'd actually nominate Bummed as their best work, and it has certainly aged the best out of all their albums.

Posted by liam on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 15:07pm

Yeah, Shawn, I'd recommend that you go out and buy a copy of "The Stone Roses", but don't expect any similiarities to the Happy Mondays - the Roses were more like rock traditionalists. You can live without "Second Coming", but it does contain some stunning tracks ("Tears", "Begging You", "Driving South").

If you do go and look for one, see if you can find "Melting Pot" by the Charlatans: it's actually a compilation of previous tracks, but it's a good place to start with that band.

If you're feeling REALLY inquisitive, go and get one of the Verve's three albums (or all three!) -I recommend starting with "A Northern Soul", as it shows the group at the cross point of going from from psych-rock to traditional-rock.

Posted by MAIL on Saturday, 12.22.07 @ 18:37pm

Good info MAIL, thanks; I'll get on gettin some stuff from all 3 of those bands.

Posted by shawn on Sunday, 12.23.07 @ 10:06am

Shawn, if you do find any stuff by the Charlatans UK, avoid the album "Simpatico". Besides the first two tracks, it's a boring, pointless attempt at ska and dub. I can see from previous comments that you're into "pop groove", so if I were you I'd get "Wonderland" - some of the r&b incorporations are really impressive, like on "You're So Pretty - We're So Pretty".

I still think that the Charlatans are probably THE most overlooked UK band and would recommend them to as many people as possible.

Posted by l i a m on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 16:18pm

Hey Liam -
I went and got Black Grape's - "It's Great When Your Straight...Yeah" on your recommendation.
Love it! I kinda like it even more than "Pills n Thrills.." in parts.
Fun stuff - really does sound like the next progression of Happy - I like, I like.
Completely 90's sound, huh? Still good.
Think I liked "Kelley's Heroes" or "In the Name of the Father" best.
I read that their next effort, "Stupid, Stupid, Stupid" wasn't so great - you agree?
I did download two songs of of that though: "Marbles" and "Get Higher" - liked them both. Laughed my ass off at the spliced together dubs in "Higher" of Ronald Reagan telling us that "Nancy has been smoking pot.." and "And there's one more thing - Nancy and I are hooked on heroin!"

What has Shaun Ryder been up to since those days?

Posted by shawn on Wednesday, 01.9.08 @ 13:53pm

I think I may have heard some of "Stupid, Stupid, Stupid". It can't have been that great if I can't really remember it! I wouldn't be surprised if it was crap, as they did take alort of drugs...

The Mondays recently got back together, and released an album, but I've only heard a few tracks from it so I can't really tell you what it's like. Although, from what I'm told, it's a tad bit crap.

If you like this kind of sound, then I'd recommend looking for a copy of "Screamadelica" by Primal Scream. It's a bit more Stones-y, and it's quite long compared to the Happy Mondays, but it's good anyway!

Posted by liam on Thursday, 01.10.08 @ 08:04am

Oh yeah, in response to Kit's (old) comment, I've got to make it clear that the majority of 'Madchester' groups were sh*t.

"Cool As F*ck", anyone?

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 02.3.08 @ 13:49pm

Hey Liam - I don't see Kula Shaker listed on the site yet. What's your opinion of them - they were a part of the Brit-pop scene about the same time as HM and company, yes?

BTW - I just got my cpoies of "Ocean Rain" and "Head Over Heels", so I'll get back to you on Echo & Bunny Men and Cocteau Twins soon.

Posted by shawn on Monday, 04.28.08 @ 13:23pm

I never took to Kula Shaker at all really, and K is a bit off a golden horse in my eyes. I think Cornershop are much more worthwhile, but I'm not much fond of them either.

Posted by Liam on Monday, 04.28.08 @ 13:49pm

Any Paul Weller or Ocean Colour Scene stuff is good too. There is a new band who opened for Weller in NYC last year that is fantastic - The Rifles. Check them out. Agree on Primals, Charlatans, Mondays and Stone Roses. If you like Cocteau Twins, you would love the Sundays.

Posted by PreissDog on Wednesday, 01.21.09 @ 23:38pm

Good songs back in the day such as this:
aI wrote for luck.
They sent me you.
I sent for juice.
You give me poision.
I hold the line.
You form the queue.

and this:
He's gonna step on you again, he's gonna step on you
He's gonna step on you again, he's gonna step on you
You're twistin' my melon man, you know you talk so hip man
You're twistin' my melon man

and who could forget
I only went with your mother 'cause she's dirty
And I don't have a decent bone in me
What you get is just what you see yeah
I see it so I take it freely
And all the bad piss ugly things i feed me
I never help or give to the needy
Come on and see me
I had to crucify some brother today
And I don't dig what you gotta say
So come on and say it
Come on and tell me twice

Some good lyrics there, some good beats and hooks and some damn good music, viva la england!

Posted by crunchypete.com on Saturday, 06.27.09 @ 12:15pm

YES! Absolutely. Yes, New Order were around, but from what I can tell the Mondays were different. They perfected the acid house rhythms, and were even more danceable than New Order, making them perfect for the new Hacienda... well, AMG describes their innovation and influence better than me. Along with Stone Roses they started the "Madchester" scene. Both bands should be inducted, though if The Smiths and New Order can't get in how can either band have a real chance?

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 06.30.10 @ 19:23pm

Oh, and "Step On" is one of the weirdest and coolest singles of the 80's.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 06.30.10 @ 19:23pm

In fact, I second Kit's statement; you should definitely get Pills 'n' Thrills 'n' Bellyaches, Bummed as well. Keltner time:

1. Were the Happy Mondays ever the best in rock? Did anyone ever seriously suggest this? I don't know who was the best at their peak (1988-1992.) Most people would say no; maybe some of their descendants might have called them the best in rock, but that's just a guess. Even if we stick to just alt. rock, then they're still in tough competition during that time period with New Order, The Stone Roses, Pixies (just remembered), Sonic Youth, The Cure, R.E.M. U2... just off the top of my head. The critical consensus is "no" (more on that later), and I'll have to agree with that. They produced two of the top albums of that time period.

2. Were Happy Mondays ever the best in their genre? Subjective question; see Question 1. Certainly near the top at their peak from 1988-92. It's complicated, this question, since their style is hard to define. Best "Madchester" band? Certainly, either them or the Roses. Best indie or alt band during their peak? Possibly.

3. Were Happy Mondays ever considered the best at their instruments? No way. The rhythm section would come closest (Gary Whelan and Paul Ryder) but virtuosity wouldn't have fit the songs, so instead they focused on laying down the best groove possible. The Stone Roses could play better in my opinion.

4. Did HM have an impact on a number of other bands? Certainly. They and The Stone Roses both started the "Madchester" scene; while the Roses focused mainly on straight-ahead psychedelic guitar-pop and were rarely interested with incorporating dance music, the Mondays did that and embraced dance and acid house, creating an innovative mix of psychedelia, dance and acid house. A whole host of bands that came after in the next couple of years followed either the lead of the Roses, the Mondays or both. Their presence on Factory Records helped give the Hacienda, which had been built by Factory, even more relevance, as it made the process of introducing Manchester (and eventually the UK on the whole) to house music.

5. Were the Mondays good enough that they could play after their prime? They reformed earlier in the decade and put out a new album in 2007 that got some good reviews. So they'd pass this test, I think.

6. Are HM the best artist in history not in the HOF? No, in my opinion. There are 102 artists considered better by critics that are not yet in, and some of them are definitely better in my opinion, and some definitely made more of an impact and deserve it more. However, some are not eligible yet, some of them will definitely be inducted, and some more will probably be inducted at some point. My two cents: No, they're not the best not in, but they're in contention.

7. Are most bands who have a comparable recording history and impact in the HOF? Again, it's important to keep in mind that some of them are going to be inducted. That said, there are, give or take a few, 91 eligible artists I can find who's impact/influence could compare to the Mondays' out of the 1000 ranked by Acclaimed Music (just to give you a sample size), and some who's impact definitely has the Mondays beat. Among non-eligibles: 14 who, indisputably in my mind, have them beat for impact, and even some of those might be subjective.

8. Is there any evidence to suggest that they were significantly better or worse than stats suggest? No.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 08.31.10 @ 16:50pm

9. Are Happy Mondays the best in it's genre eligible for the Hall of Fame? Among alternative bands, no in my opinion. There are some who I think are inferior to the Mondays but are more deserving (like The Smiths.) In "Madchester" (a media created term) they're either first or second only to the Roses.

10. How many #1 singles/gold records did the Mondays have? Did they ever win or get nominated for a Grammy? No gold records in the US; I'm not sure how many in the UK, though probably a few. They never had any #1 singles; PTB charted at #89 and "Step On" went to #57, and that was all the Stateside success they had. They were nowhere near big enough to be in contention for a Grammy.

11. How many Grammy-level songs/albums did they have? How long did they dominate the music scene? How many Rolling Stone covers did they appear on? Did most artists with this kind of impact go into the Hall of Fame? Yes, they had material better than stuff that won Grammy's. They never really caught hold in the US but were one of the most popular bands in the UK for almost two years. No covers. Most people with this kind of (or more) impact were inducted.

12. If HM were the best band at a concert, would the concert rock? Certainly. Gary Whelan and Paul Ryder were regarded by some as one of the tightest and best rhythm sections in indie and post-punk, and they always had a giant party on stage.

13. What impact did HM have on rock history? Were they responsible for any stylistic changes? Did they introduce any new equipment? Did they change history? They were partially responsible for the popularization of acid house in the UK, and without them being on Factory's roster the Hacienda wouldn't have had nearly as much credibility. They established an innovative mix of rave/acid house, dance, post-punk and psychedelia that was copied many times over. They didn't introduce any new equipment. They didn't change history in the US, but they did in the UK.

14. Did HM uphold the standards of sportsmanship & character that the HOF in it's written guidelines instructs us to consider? From AMG: "Unwittingly or not, Happy Mondays personified the ugly side of rave culture. They were thugs, purely and simply they brought out the latent violence that lay beneath the surface of any drug culture, even one as seemingly beatific as England's late-'80s/early-'90s rave scene. Under the leadership of vocalist Shaun Ryder, the group sounded and acted like thugs, especially in comparison with their peace-loving peers, the Stone Roses. Ryder's lyrics were twisted and surrealistic, loaded with bizarre pop culture references, drug slang, and menacing sexuality. Appropriately, their music was as convoluted. Happy Mondays were one of the first rock bands to integrate hip-hop techniques into their music. They didn't sample, but they borrowed melodies and lyrics and, in the process, committed rock blasphemy. For a band that celebrated their vulgarity and excessiveness, Happy Mondays appropriately were undone by their addictions, but they left behind a surprisingly influential legacy, apparent in everyone from dance bands like the Chemical Brothers to rock & rollers like Oasis." They were also done in by an NME interview where Bez made disturbing comments about homosexuals. Bez has just been jailed for domestic violence, and there were similar allegations Rowetta made about Shaun when their relationship ended.

Verdict: Induct, but after others (New Order, Gang of Four, The Buzzcocks, etc.)

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 08.31.10 @ 18:10pm

It sickens and saddens me after reading that description to think that this group of miscreants has been inflicting their pathologies on society, especially some of the most vulnerable and innocent members of society-the youth. May they rot in hell unless they repent for their evil ways.

Posted by Evangelist on Tuesday, 08.31.10 @ 18:25pm

Greetings from Northamptonshire, England.

I forgot to add that it's about the music, not about their characters, but yes they were thugs. The irony is that die-hard Christians (i.e. Evangelists, and I do go to church by the way) go on about rock being evil and the root of all society's problems, they try to have Family Guy, South Park, The Simpsons and first-person shooters (like Halo) blacklisted and banned, while they're out there spewing their vile hatred towards gays and atheists. But yes, if you're interested in what I was talking about, go to Google Books and look up: "Britpop!: cool Britannia and the spectacular demise of English rock." There was only a preview available last time I checked, but now that I'm back I'll probably check it out. Well actually there's not a preview available anymore, so you'll just have to look for yourself.

Posted by Sam on Thursday, 09.9.10 @ 10:10am

Greetings from the United States.

I read a reader's review of the book on amazon.com. Here's part of what I read:

"Oasis, Blur, Pulp and more seemed poised to take over the world the way that the Beatles, Stones and Kinks has once dominated rock 30 years before. And yet within a few years, all this excitement had dried up, and the Gallagher Brothers were now seen only as a pair of drunken louts who slagged everyone they could, even their own wives and girlfriends. Harris is good at depicting not only the appropriation strategies of these bands but the way they knew how to play themselves in the media against their American or Australian counterparts for maximum effect, culminating in the episode where Jarvis Cocker showed up at a Michael Jackson TV taping to denounce the black R&B singer, or the way that Noel Gallagher assailed Kylie Minogue for being a "lesbian," or so he said."

Not a lot of love there? You see groups like these no matter how good they may appear temporarily, ultimately end up in an ash heap of self-destruction because of their hatred for God and his holiness. I encourage you to continue walking toward the light of His everloving son Jesus and in time your desire to be involved with this music will cease.

Posted by Evangelist on Monday, 11.8.10 @ 12:06pm

Do I smell a roll? I'm sure I do.

Posted by Okay on Monday, 11.8.10 @ 13:24pm

Oops, meant troll.

Posted by Okay on Monday, 11.8.10 @ 14:07pm

Ah... so the entire scene is to blame for the Gallaghers' (who I admit have been dicks) behavior? Right, of course. That's of course like saying that all priests should be shot because of the behavior of the Catholic Church, but enough of that for now.

"or the way that Noel Gallagher assailed Kylie Minogue for being a 'lesbian,' or so he said."

I won't deny that Noel doesn't share the sandbox very well with the other children, but doesn't the Evangelical world frown upon same-sex relations? Therefore it's a bit ironic that bit was highlighted.

"You see groups like these no matter how good they may appear temporarily"

So their off-stage antics make their creativity irrelevant?

"ultimately end up in an ash heap of self-destruction because of their hatred for God and his holiness."

I'll be sure to tell that to the crowd that was at Glastonbury last year. Or the people that will queue up for the Pulp reunion.

"I encourage you to continue walking toward the light of His everloving son Jesus"

I've been going to church for quite some time.

"and in time your desire to be involved with this music will cease."

All right then...

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 11.10.10 @ 12:46pm

Sam, are you feeding the trolls again?

Posted by Ralph on Wednesday, 11.10.10 @ 14:02pm

It's fun.

Posted by Okay on Wednesday, 11.10.10 @ 15:15pm

Yes I am, but that's the last time I'm going to. All comments not concerning the band and whether they should be in the Hall will be ignored from now on. Trolls: Go find a way to check out Pills 'n' Thrills and Bellyaches, listen to it with open ears and minds 3 or 4 times and then get back to me.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, 11.16.10 @ 06:39am

Shaun's reaching a bit right now by doing I'm A Celebrity (Bez did it before, that's why he's doing it), he reportedly has some anger issues and if his own brother doesn't want to perform with him anymore... Still, he looks more enjoyable to be around than "Doctor" McKeith (who's rubbed a lot of people the wrong way), and apparently he's an absolute gentleman when he's not on a short fuse, as evidenced by the (sadly, in vain) attempts to raise funds for the late Tony Wilson.

Eat your heart out, Tipper Gore:


Posted by Sam on Sunday, 11.28.10 @ 16:19pm

Whoever just voted "no" to Happy Mondays and "yes" to the Partridge Family, explain yourself.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 03.7.11 @ 14:26pm

ok seriously, whoever keeps voting "no" to Happy Mondays and "yes" to the Partridge Family can you explain yourself? I keep seeing this strange phenomenon in action, it's been going on for a year or so now! Until I get a valid explanation I will continue to vote "yes" to Happy Mondays whenever I see a "no" vote cast, just for the sake of cancelling out that "no" vote.

I'm awaiting a semi-witty response from someone or something.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Monday, 04.30.12 @ 12:43pm

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