Goo Goo Dolls

Not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Eligible since: 2012 (The 2013 Induction Ceremony)

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Name (1995)
Iris (1998)

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Will Goo Goo Dolls be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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The Goo Goo Dolls don't have the gravity of most of their contemporaries. They also have a bit of a credibility problem with the critics, so I think it's a very long shot they will ever get inducted.

Posted by c.w. on Friday, 08.11.06 @ 22:26pm


I agree with c.w. The Goo Goo Dolls have several good songs, but nothing that puts them up with the elite bands.

Posted by A-Killa on Friday, 10.20.06 @ 06:48am


I think the Goo Goo Dolls hit it so big with their ballads and sounstrack hits (Iris, Name) that a lot of people either forgot or aren't familiar with their older more hard rocking songs. Check out some of their earlier albums from the early 90's. Of course, they need a couple more big albums to get into the The Hall.

Posted by Garrett on Thursday, 11.30.06 @ 11:31am


They're that band that's like the Replacements except not good, right?

Posted by Kit on Thursday, 11.30.06 @ 17:10pm


they better get in, if the hall had any sense they would.

Posted by Matt on Thursday, 03.15.07 @ 12:30pm


Go to hell Kit,they're way better than some Replacement ass clowns.

Posted by Shawn on Sunday, 05.20.07 @ 05:13am


If they were better than the band they ripped off, they wouldn't have had to rip them off.

Posted by William on Sunday, 05.20.07 @ 06:18am


I don't know if there is just a second S-h-a-w-n out there posting or if this is a stupid joke, but I did not scribe the above comment about the Go Goo Dolls; don't have an opinion on the Dolls actually.
Could the person using "Shawn" who has recently come along please distinguish themselves by using an addition initial?

I am the original Shawn - the one who has a tendency to fight with Anonymous. From now on I'll be using the name Shawn Mc.

Posted by Shawn Mc on Sunday, 05.20.07 @ 13:56pm


Honestly, listen to Pleased to Meet Me and you'll hear what the Goo Goo Dolls think they sound like.

Posted by Kit on Sunday, 05.20.07 @ 15:35pm


I don't get why everyone says that. They have their own sound and EVERYONE sounds lyk their influences. It's what they like. You know how hard it would be to come up w/ ur own sound completely. If you were a musician u'd know that. I'm not bitchin anyone out I'm just sick of musicians getting put down. You know how hard it is to make everyone like your music. And who cares about the critics. I mean it's the fans that really count. Plus, they've had A Boy Named Goo which went double platinum. And Dizzy up the Girl which went triple platinum. They've also had Gutterflower and Let Love In that both went gold. I say they shuld be put into the rock & roll hall of fame....and u can hate me if u want cuz i really don't care. I'm just tryin to set haters straight...it drives me nuts that this world is so into putting people down for nothing.

Posted by Jenna on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 13:20pm


There's a difference between sounding like your influences and sounding exactly like your influences.

There's no hate here, only the exchange of ideas (which is a one way exchange more often than not).

Posted by Kit on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 13:46pm


They have had they stying power for over 20 years..that says alot about them.That alone should be enough for them to get in..not to mention all of their ups & downs with the critics.....have you ever been to one of their live concerts to experience Goo????When you have been to one..let us true Goo fans know!!!!It is AMAZING!!!John Rzeznik can belt out tunes live, better than alot of them...
Thanx for letting me comment...
Christine

Posted by Christine on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 14:07pm


If staying together 20 years is all it takes to earn a spot, then I've got a few recommendations...

Too bad it isn't.

Posted by William on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 15:47pm


omg i so hope they get in.. they've been a hardworking band for 20 years and they deserve it so much. :) glad they're finally being considered.. geez they wont be inducted (maybe) until i graduate high school tho.. lol so happy anyway tho

Posted by amber on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 20:50pm


they diserve to be there, just as much as Van Halen and all those people. they have more heart and love and compassion than anybobdy. they also had the most hits ever on Adult Contemperary radio...ever. all they're fans, there loyal and true. you might have seen that stupid video around youtube. those people that were talking bad about them. they don't know the meaning of true music. true music is something that brings joy to the poeple who listen to it. now, of coruse you can say that about all music. blah. u people don't understand the way the goo goo dolls touch the lives of there fans. i hope they get in.

Posted by AE on Friday, 05.25.07 @ 22:02pm


As I was looking at all the other eligible aducties, I must admit there are few choices to pick from. You have to look at what they have done for music. And who has actually had the staying power. I don't recall hearing any of the other artist on the list music being played to help the victims of Katrina like The Goo's Better days. That in its self should say something. I beleive they have earned the there place, They put in the effort and grown as a band and still around. You have to have something to still be around and playing to sold out crowds!!!!!!!

Posted by Shannon on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 07:44am


Honestly, like Christine said, if you ever go to a Goo Goo Dolls concert you could see how they are not like many other bands..sure there are tons of just as good bands on here in albums, theres people that have been around longer than the Goo Goo Dolls, but when you can sound that good on tons of albums, and then AMAZING in concert, you deserve it. If you could only see how they have touched their fans and people who love their music, you probably wouldnt be putting them down so much...

Posted by Carly on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 09:10am


"..If you could only see how they have touched their fans and people who love their music, you probably wouldnt be putting them down so much..."

Yea-aw! Geez, you guy-uys... oh, maw gawd! They are like.. just.. yu-know.. the most awesomeish and uh dreamy. There was this one time, in band camp...

(Heavy sigh)...

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 09:23am


The main criteria for induction is significance and influence - both of which the Goo Goo Dolls have.

"Better Days" became an anthem to the victims of Hurrican Katrina. "Iris" is one of the most played songs ever on the radio. The Goo Goo Dolls have had a record 12 number one hits on Adult Contemporary radio - more than any other artist. They have been nominated for four Grammy awards. They may not be "darlings" of the critics, but John Rzeznik has been called a "lyrical genius" and "as good a songwriter as there is" by critics and has won several ASCAP (The American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers) awards for his writing.

The Goo Goo Dolls' music is so much more than ballads, although ballads are what brought them the most success. Some of their earlier punk rock albums such as "Hold Me Up" and "Superstar Carwash" are fantastic albums that were embraced by college radio, but never caught on with the general public. Most people have not even heard these albums, and mistakenly think the Goo Goo Dolls are just a power ballad band, which is completely untrue.

If you've ever been to a Goo Goo dolls show, you know that they are a well-oiled machine - some of the best performers out there. Their shows are amazing and leave you wanting more. They love to perform for their fans and if you have any doubt of this, check out their "Live in Buffalo" performance in which they played for over an hour in a downpour because their fans stood in the rain all day to hear them. How many bands would have done that or are still selling out show after show after 20 years?

The Goo Goo Dolls have also used their fame to influence great causes such as Robby Takac's annual "Music is Art" music education and concert series and "Music in Action" program developed to teach music business to fine arts students. The band also supports USA Harvest at its shows and has provided millions of pounds of food to countless food banks and homeless shelters across the nation. They have supported countless other causes as well.

As for the very common critique that they are just copiers of The Replacements, John Rzeznik always admits that the band wanted to be The Replacements and cites Paul Westerberg as his biggest influence. Unfortunately, although The Replacements were a great band, they never achieved the commercial success of the Goo Goo Dolls. Many people have never even heard of the Replacements. The Goo Goo Dolls were heavily influenced by the Replacements, but have developed their own unique sound, which is easily identifiable.

It is ridiculous to imply that Goo Goo Dolls fans like them just because they are "dreamy" (although I am sure they do have fans that like them for that reason). They are a great band who has done much, much more than stay together for 20 years and deserve to be considered here.

Posted by susie on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 11:17am


Susie has said that perfectly! The Goo Goo Dolls will be remembered not only for their amazing lyrics and wonderful hook-filled music, but also for the humanitarian philanthropists that they have become. When they began as an alternative garage band in their native Buffalo, NY, they cited the Ramones, the Clash and Elvis Costello as their major influences in addition to the Replacements. Over a 20-year period, they have evolved into one of the most well-loved and respected bands today. In a country filled with school violence, bassist Robby Takac started a program to help "at risk" teens get involved in art and music education and producing music, which in and of itself, is a lot more than any of his contemporaries are doing presently. He not only produces other bands such as Terry Sullivan, Klear, Last Conservative, and the Julet Dagger, but also hosts an annual "battle of the bands" for the Western New York area high schools' aspiring musicians. I checked out his MIA 2005 which had over 80 acts over a 2 day period in the historic Allentown section of Buffalo, and I was thoroughly impressed with the spirit of cooperation among his all-volunteer team of workers to man the booths, etc. John Rzeznik has penned some of the most poignant lyrics ever written and has recently won another ASCAP award for the song, "Better Days" which has become the anthem for the still struggling survivors of Hurricane Katrina's ravaging of the Gulf Coast. They were invited to open the superdome in September of 2006, for the very first Saints game since the disaster, and helped unite neighbors who had not seen each other in a year. The spirits of all those who attended were uplifted on that day. They have also given their time and energy to USA Harvest, a "grass roots" food bank which serves the local communities where they perform all around the United States by their generous fans donating non-perishable food items at the show which are immediately distributed to the people, no money involved. Bono has stepped up to the plate using his celebrity to bring attention to the HIV/AIDS pandemic in Africa and the Goo Goo Dolls put their hearts and souls into charities in the U.S. and abroad. They personally collected and delivered toys to children of war-torn Bosnia during the conflict there. I can go on about their relevance and perseverance to do what they do in the face of their critics. I haven't even touched on the topic of their love and admiration by and for their fans. That would literally fill a volume by itself. So to imply that they are nothing but power pop eye candy means that you truly do not know very much about this extremely popular band. Unlike the antics of other rock stars cited for spousal abuse and other degenerative acitivites, these guys are the most down to earth, respectful men I've met in the music industry. I challenge these other people to go to a show and you will definitely change your minds. Heart and soul is what each performance is about and there's no place they'd rather be than playing for their fans! I've followed their career from their early days and they have morphed into one of the most sustainable sounds today!

Posted by Teri on Saturday, 05.26.07 @ 23:49pm


The Goo Goo Dolls are the best band around today.
Yes, they may have softened a bit. But they still kick ass. If they would have continued playing the Punk Rock music they started out playing they wouldn't be here 20 years later. To see these guys play live is amazing. They actually sound better live than on CD. And after being around for 20 years they are still releasing new material.
How many bands that have been around as long as them are still touring and putting out new material. The Goo's are a rare breed and derserve to be honored for it!!!!

Posted by Marlena on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 07:02am


20 years making music, a sound has become very much their own, haunting lyrics, and guitarists still struggle to figure out how Mr. Rzeznik made his music sound the way it does, with that funky tuning he uses.

The critics don't acknowledge them because they make it look easy. Hope they get their well deserved spot in the Hall of Fame.

Posted by Mrs. T on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 07:05am


wow, some of you people know nothing! the goo goo dolls have broken the record for the 12 songs they had that made the top 10 on the charts. besides johnny's introspective songwriting abilities, robby and mike's unique musical abilities, this band is one of the very few who still write their own music, and don't feed into the bullshit that presides in the industry today. they are there for their fans. they also are humanitarians, and help many causes and organizations whenever they can. i don't know of another band who collects food for the needy at every show they play. they deserve to be inducted for so many reasons, but mostly because the music they play is inspiring and something all their own.

Posted by tina on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 10:13am


"this band is one of the very few who still write their own music,"

GODDAMNN I vurp in my mouth a little every time I see this "point" being made. And why is it always made by a female in defense of her fav dreamy band? I'm not mysogenistic - this is just an observation. Is your only point of reference Josie and the Pussycats?

Posted by shawn mc on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 11:20am


The Goo Goo Dolls Are Incredible Artists. Johhny Rzeznik Deserves Every Bit of Recognition. All The Boys Have Great Souls.They Have Had The Top Songs on The Charts For The Past 15 Years. Who Cares What The Critics Say. Its What The Fans Want. God Bless Them All. Hurray ....For The Goo's. We Love The Awesome Music. Just Keep on Keepin On.

P.S. Why Must We Compare???

Posted by Rhonda on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 11:35am


shawn mc-what are you talking about? First of all, you need to be around long enough to see where the industry has been and notice the major changes due to the commerciality and formulaic writing of songs that has become the "norm" in today's scene. I've been around the music scene for as long as the Goos and the bullshit that's being pumped out now is rehashed garbage in comparison to what I was fortunate enough to be a part of in the late 70's, early 80's through now. Can you please explain what your reference to Josie and the Pussycats means? What me and my fellow Goo fans are saying is that music has become a factory lately, having nothing whatsoever to do with expressing "true gut" feelings and observations, but just "bottled" for the masses. You can see this in country music especially and rap too. There actually isn't anything representative of "rock" music like there used to be, and the Goos are as close as you're going to get to an "original" band who keep re-inventing themselves much in the way artists like David Bowie have, changing with their soul's growth spurts and bringing their honest expression to millions of their fans! There isn't many other bands today that have the longevity and relevance that the Goos have, and still continue to make great music! John, Rob, and Mike are going into a studio they just purchased recently in Buffalo to "bring back the rock" and record new material right after this summer leg of their "Let Love In" tour. We are not all just "dreamy-eyed" teens here. As a matter of fact, I am a 44 year old entrepreneur who owns a very successful interior design business and a multifaceted musician myself who plays bass, guitar and keyboards, so I advise you to refrain in making prejudgemental assumptioms here. May I ask your age because you are coming across as a very inexperienced and immature adult? John Rzeznik was asked to appear on a Les Paul tribute album along with contemporary Bon Jovi guitarist Richie Sambora. He most recently received an ASCAP award for the amazing song, "Better Days" and on May 4th was invited to play at the Tribeca Film Festival's music lounge for the purpose of showcasing to industry film professional directors and producers and has written one of the upcoming tracks for the Transformers movie to be released on July 4th called "Before It's Too Late", so you can't tell me that he doesn't deserve everything he has accomplished and worked so hard to achieve. Unlike so many fickle and demanding performers, the Goos exhibit the best work ethics in the industry. John has performed with nicked vocal chords, Robby with a badly cut hand and Mike has stepped up to the plate on the night he was told a good friend had passed on, so nothing you say will deter me from my original conviction that the Goo Goo Dolls deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame! Even they admit if they could turn back time they most certainly would have taken their name more seriously and chose something different and more appropriate for such an amazing band!

Posted by Teri on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 12:16pm


Hey shawn mc - that's misogynistic. If you want to use big words to insult people, you should look up how to spell them first. You seem very focused on how dreamy they are - maybe you're the one with a thing for them???

....but seriously, what is your point of reference when it comes to the Goo Goo Dolls? It sounds like you really don't know anything about them. Have you even heard any of their music other than Name, Iris, or Slide?

Posted by susie on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 12:27pm


Very well said, Teri!

I'd just like to add that in five more years, there will probably be a whole truckload of new reasons why the Goo Goo Dolls should be inducted into the Hall of Fame. They just keep evolving and getting better and better. One of the things that makes them great is that they are NOT a product of the music industry. They were a couple of kids who played music together in a garage for the love of music, nothing else. This still comes across when you see them perform today and, unfortunately, is very rare in the music industry. Here is a review of one of their shows that illustrates part of what the other fans and I are trying to say:
http://media.www.ramcigar.com/media/storage/paper366/
news/2007/04/25/Entertainment/
Concert.Review.Goo.Goo.Dolls.Copeland.Stay.Down.
To.Earth.At.Twin.River-2879470.shtml

Posted by susie on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 12:55pm


The Dolls sound better today than ever and if you go to a concert, you will see people of all ages singing along with them. It's not all about them...they love their fans and give back to society. Yes, I see them in the Hall of Fame. Teri and Susie said it all.

Posted by Linda on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 13:15pm


The Goo's clearly deserve to be in the Hall of Fame, all of their accomplishments prove that. Thanks Teri & Susie for so eloquently pointing out all of the true meanings we are fans. We love the guys for so much more than their looks, after all the songs are what made us interested in the 1st place! They continue to amaze the fans that love & respect them! I look forward to the day they accept the induction!

Posted by Jen on Sunday, 05.27.07 @ 15:15pm


The Goo Goo Dolls ARE the BEST!!! John Rzeznik is one of the best song writers of this century. Besides the most heart wrenching, sexy ballads, he has also written some KICK ASS rock songs such as, Bullet Proof, Lazy Eye, Big Machine, We Are The Normal, and soooo many more. His lyrics are beautiful and show in Iris, Here is Gone, Name, Black Balloon, and too many to list. The Goos have had too many chart topping hits to be ignored. Trust me John Rzeznik/The Goos influence is evident in music, I am a musician and if there had been no Goos then I never would have gravitated toward music. Johns' writing is the reason I have become a musician. His songs bred a passion in me to write my own. They HAVE TO BE HONORED!!! Peace, love, and Goo!!!! <3

Posted by Callie Kelley on Monday, 05.28.07 @ 21:14pm


Teri: "Can you please explain what your reference to Josie and the Pussycats means?"

Sure Teri. It means I question what cartoon world your comrade tina lives in when she declares: "this band is one of the very few who still write their own music"
That's an incredibly ignorant claim. Wouldn't you agree? It's like in listing off all of the fabulous qualities of the new guy she's dating she includes "And he's got arms and legs! Do you know how rare that is now? Very few men have their own arms and legs. He's so wonderful!"

" John, Rob, and Mike are going into a studio they just purchased recently in Buffalo to "bring back the rock".."
GODSPEED, GOOS!!! What a lonely mission you have to save rock. Nobody cares about rock anymore... but for you. And bring a canned food item.

Susie: "but seriously, what is your point of reference when it comes to the Goo Goo Dolls? It sounds like you really don't know anything about them. Have you even heard any of their music other than Name, Iris, or Slide?"

If you read without unbridled fandom Susie, you'll see I never actually assailed your Goos; I merely take issue with the inane reasoning of some of you fainting girls - like saying they are unique and precious because they write their own music. For the record, I have no problem with the Dolls - I think Iris is a grand, sweeping pop ballad; I like it.

Rhonda: "Why Must We Compare???"

Because dear, this isn't Tiger Beat. Go ahead and scribble I (Heart) John all over your notebook, but expect to be challenged. This site is all about evaluating.



Posted by shawn mc on Tuesday, 05.29.07 @ 12:44pm


"And bring a canned food item."-shawn mc

I lol'd.

Posted by William on Tuesday, 05.29.07 @ 17:07pm


shawn mc, Your sarcasm could be expressed in a very interesting political cartoon perhaps but if we're all on the same page here, the rock and roll hall of fame should be relevant to today's needs and include things like promoting music education which the GGD do continously with Robby's MIA and on June 7th, along with VH-1 Save the Music, they are playing the HOB in LA in support of a very special program to give kids a chance to make their lives more meaningful in a world where there is school violence and shootings daily in the urban communities, the breakdown of the American family and kids whose parents are not involved in their lives and they feel lost so they join gangs and end up in prison or dead on the streets! So what have you done lately to make this big bouncing ball a better place to live? Just being famous is not enough to make people respect you, i.e. look at Paris Hilton. Substance and character are not established by the old school rules of smashing guitars and trashing hotel rooms with a bunch of groupies, but looking to the future with an eye to help create and foster the talent that so many young Americans inherently have but are often misdirected and suffer as a consequence.

May I ask you what this quote means in response to my explaining how John and Robby have again given back to their community in Buffalo by purchasing Trackmaster Studios, completely upgrading and renovating it and helping their local fellow musicians to "make the rock" (just a fun quote we use)that is all!

You-"GODSPEED, GOOS!!! What a lonely mission you have to save rock. Nobody cares about rock anymore... but for you. And bring a canned food item."

The Counting Crows and GGD raised over 1 million meals just during their summer shed tour 2006 alone! Why are you mocking such a great charity as USA Harvest? GGD's appeal is only one small part of the equation. They are much deeper than that and have a tremendous work ethic like no other band I know. They also are not "celebrities" who fall all over themselves and think the world should fall at their feet! It's the antithesis of that attitude that makes them so likeable and genuinely "the guys next door". The charm that they hold for young and old alike is that they are "grounded" in an entertainment industry that is so "up it's own ass"-(John Rzeznik's saying) and the evidence is there that the majority of sports and music celebs could care less about being a good role model or making their fan's lives just a little bit better. Case in point, when Hurricane Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast, the GGD were there voluntarily to reopen the Superdome for the very first Saints game since the tragedy, and to promote the rich cultural music heritage of the N'Orleans area. They also did a free show for the high school kids in Sabine Pass, Texas and John Rzeznik donated his 1960's vintage GTO muscle car to be auctioned off and all the proceeds given directly to Habitat for Humanity to rebuild homes down there. If you want to read how they have changed people's lives down there I can direct you to many great articles. One of the fans who lives in Missippi is a former assistant to Toto and Survivor, and becomes very emotional when speaking of the GGD and their philanthropy of doing GOO-d deeds for her and her neighbors! Also, I have a website with my good friend and GGD admirer, Jane, which is dedicated to music that has profoundly touched and changed people's lives, and the GGD are a huge part of it!

Posted by Teri on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 06:56am


Humanitarianism has nothing whatsoever to do with the merits of the music itself.

Posted by Willliam on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 10:16am


That's your opinion William! What a blanket statement! I beg to differ that "humanitarianism has nothing whatsoever to do with the merits of the music itself" because it's at the very heart of what some artists do such as Sting, Bono, Lennon, the list goes on. It is part and parcel of the music they create. It goes beyond humanitarianism to the very soul of particular philosophical ideas imparted in the lyrics in a message that so many can relate to across the world. It speaks volumes to the person listening to the song. I've heard many people say that certain lyrics helped them through a really tough time in their life. John Rzeznik has the ability to write words that resonate with lots of people! Maybe we're speaking differently here. You are referring just to music and I am seeing the totality of music, lyrics and the vibes of a song. Musically, there are some bands in the hall of fame who are not particularly original or earth-moving, however, many guitar magazines have mused at the highly creative and original guitar tunings of John Rzeznik's music! As a matter of fact, I was watching The Song Remains the Same the other night and Jimmy Page is known for unusual tunings as well. Well, I'd say that puts JR and JP in the same "creative genius" category. Certainly, Page, in his prime, was technically more agile than Johnny, and Led Zep's music lent itself to long soloing, but Johnny is the primary songwriter and plays some intricate solos in their live performances in the songs "Naked", "Falling Down", "Long Way Down" and so many from Superstar Carwash and A Boy Named Goo that are simply amazing! Being a musician, I know when someone plays what they feel and someone goes through the motions. In so far as the GGD are concerned, the absolutely play their hearts out! And that goes for all of them too. Robby Takac, the bass player, is like Tigger bouncing around the stage! The amaziing Gooskinsman, Mike Malinin has endurance that rivals Keith Moon in his heyday due to the fact that he is a marathon runner and has a helluva backbeat. Plus now, they have brought on two of the best guys I think they ever played with, Brad Fernquist, guitarist extraordinaire, and multi-instrumentalist, Korel Tunador who plays sax, keys, accordian, guitar, etc. What you may think they lack in technique, they make up for in drive and energy! So what do you say about that William?

Posted by Teri on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 11:48am


"So what do you say about that William?"

Yea William! You've been served!
But in Teri's brochure, "The Goos: The Bestest Humans Ever", she forgot a couple of items: John Rzeznik's blond highlights are impeccable and his mascara is very tasteful (not like that racoon whore Jared Leto - pssh!) and these things resonate with fans all over the world.

Also, I was watching a documentary on Martin Luther King the other night and did you know he hated green olives. OMG - John ALSO hates green olives, so well, I'd say that puts JR and MLK in the same "creative genius" category.

Also, it's a little known fact that the entire band's flatulence has no odor. Except John's, who's smells faintly of chocolate chip cookies.

So there. Save the Goos, Save the World.

Posted by shawn mc on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 12:32pm


I love it when people invoke Bono's name. Nothing like a guy who moved his business out of Ireland to avoid paying taxes while simultaneously harassing the Irish government for not giving enough money to make you feel all warm inside.

Now here's the question: What does any of that have to do with seminal albums like The Joshua Tree? Not a damn thing. The music itself is what matters in the context of musical influence and innovation. I did not at any point insult your precious Goos, but of course the sure sign of an idiot fanboy/fangirl is the automatic assumption of a personal attack. Whether they are influential or innovative is irrelevant to how many bucks they give to Habitat for Humanity.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 13:20pm


Actually, shawn mc, what you just rebutted made no sense whatsoever! And William, come on dude, you are saying you never insulted the band-no you insulted ME and the other fans here by saying we are idiots. My previous posts have already proved otherwise. I honestly don't get you and you sure as hell don't get the Goos! Mascara?? That was a PR campaign from the DUTG days back in 1999 for a photographic shoot. These days you won't see a trace of mascara anywhere near them. Now THAT actually has nothing to do with the music! Let me ask you, are you aware of anything beyond Dizzy Up The Girl and Iris? Why didn't you address any of the points I made? Are either of you guys musicians? Critics are people who never made it themselves in the industry they criticize so easily. Let me ask you-when was the last time you received an ASCAP award for songwriting or wrote a song for a film's soundtrack? Yeah, I thought so! You are not debating this very well guys. Your finer points are totally lost in your ignorance I'm afraid. I'm done here. Closing arguments gentlemen?

Posted by Teri on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 17:06pm


What's the point of fighting over what a band has done? The Goo Goo Dolls have been recognized as talented musicians, even if it's not by all the critics. I doubt too many people only listen to what the critics are saying - they're there to criticize, hence the name, and half the time that's all they do.

Their humanitarian efforts may not be directly connected with the music when it comes to things like USA Harvest - however, that does come through with their music and live performances. Listen to Better Days and Give a Little Bit if you haven't already had them shoved in your ears by CNN or the radio - even if GaLB is a cover, it does show that when they decided to cover it, they wanted to do something positive. Their music has also inspired and motivated people - which seems a little hard to do these days considering how many bands focused on either sex, drugs, and rock and roll, or whining their hearts out about their girlfriend or boyfriend leaving them, cheating, etc. are out there and still around now just because that's what sells.

For live performances - they've performed several benefit concerts over the years, they auctioned a private concert with proceeds going to a breast cancer research foundation, and probably more that I don't know or can't think of at the moment.

This has probably gotten long and rambling and you're going to dismiss me as some crazy fangirl like Teri and Susie or tell me that that has nothing to do with the music, and I probably didn't convince you that the Goo Goo Dolls are good IF you don't like them. I don't care if you like them or not. I just want to point out that Teri and Susie do have some sense behind their posts and not all their points are irrelevent to the music.

Oh, and Shawn - I've seen better tactics to get someone's goat from boys at my high school. Nice try.

Posted by Kim on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 17:06pm


Teri, it's stupid to assume that you have to be a professional to criticize. Are you a professional? Criticism entails both the positive and negative, you know.

Again, I was never interested in criticizing them, and so far I haven't. I just wanted to point out that you were using a very unsound argument by harping on about their non-musical achievements.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 17:29pm


Since I don't appreciate being called stupid and being insulted by others who have no social skills, I feel this is going nowhere so I will bow out gracefully here. No one will convince you of things you obviously have already made your mind up about and I will continue to do what makes me happy and content, namely, play music I love, design interiors for my clients, and give back to the community! Have a great day-I know I will!

Posted by Teri on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 17:45pm


Are you just not a very good reader? Again, I did not criticize them or their music. I was merely calling you out on bag logic. Whether they are great or awful, innovative or derivative, influential or insignificant, that has NOTHING to do with their charity work. If they incorporate humanitarian lyrics into their songs, then that's something because it is actually part of the music, but the non-musical aspects, such as the donating money to charities, is not part of the music. It is not tied into either their influence or innovation. It is irrelevant.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 17:51pm


I'm calling you out William on your elitist attitude that I've now witnessed firsthand on other potential nominees such as The Red Hot Chili Peppers and I agree with one of the posters there who said you and Kit need to go get a room! I've made many more points about the Goo's music, lyrics and relevancy than about their philanthropy. CAN YOU NOT READ?

Posted by Teri on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 18:31pm


And guess what? I didn't care to argue any of those points. Whether I agree or not, they did not immediately strike me as wrong the way that did.

For the fourth time, because you keep swinging and missing, I am not criticizing the merits of their music, and I do not care to. Read the previous sentence about three more times and tell me if it sinks in.

Posted by William on Wednesday, 05.30.07 @ 22:50pm


"Oh, and Shawn - I've seen better tactics to get someone's goat from boys at my high school. Nice try."

Well Kim, I do aim high. Call me a dreamer.

Posted by shawn mc on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 00:47am


"I will continue to..design interiors for my clients, and give back to the community!"

Are there a lot of homeless folks looking for that special touch matching draperies with throw pillow fabrics? You are an angel, Teri. Cardboard boxes everywhere will have a designer's flair now.

"so I will bow out gracefully here."

Too late. You got pissy.

Posted by shawn mc on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 00:54am


shawn mc-You don't know me so how dare you criticize me? I am an interior designer-yes-and also do charity work. Does that seem odd to you that I should design spaces for a living yet also do community service work? You strike me as a very narrow minded individual! Go back to the rock you crawled out from under-please!

Posted by Teri on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 07:47am


William, the only one who is listening to you repeat yourself over again is YOU! I've got to get to work now. I'm not into arguing with you-simply stating the reasons I feel the GGD will surely be voted into the HoF-that is all. They still have five more years ahead to continue makeing some amazing songs so we shall see, won't we? And even if they never grace the halls there, they have a very devout following that no amount of statements by musicial snobs like you will ever change. Have a great day! P.S. I've played in a few very well known bands-just saying-now what have you been doing in music that makes you such an authority besides listening? Also, who do you feel should be inducted among the Goo's contemporaries who started playing in the late 80's-early 90's?

Posted by Teri on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 07:55am


"William, the only one who is listening to you repeat yourself over again is YOU!"-Teri

Precisely. You're not listening. I believe that's why I've had to state the exact same thing four times and yet it still hasn't done any good.

Fifth time: Not criticizing them or whatever musical achievements you're talking about. Not debating whether they do or do not deserve induction. Not interested in doing so.

Posted by William on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 09:02am


Teri, you state that you have played in "a few very well known bands", and then ask William what he has done in music to make him an authority. That does not really prove anything. Some of the most insightful commentators on music are not well known musicians themselves. Someone can make a study of the subject and devote a lot of time to it and become an "expert", regardless of whether they themselves have been up on the stage before. Not that I am saying William is such an expert, but I am responding to your point.

So, first, I would be curious to know what "well known" bands you've played with. Are we talking well known in the local clubs around your little town, or are you saying that you are really Pete Townshend posting under the pseudonym of "Teri"? Just curious. Secondly, many musicians come across as idiots if you sit down and talk to them, so just because you are a self-proclaimed musician does not mean you have any more analytical insight than anyone else. Ever heard an interview with Bruce Springsteen? I admire his music greatly, but the guy can't seen to put a complete sentence together in a conversation. I'd get more out of reading old reviews by Lester Bangs vs. interviews with Springsteen, yet Springsteen is the musician.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 09:03am


The Goo Goo Dolls deserve this more then anything! not only have they touched lives with there amazing music... but they have also taken part in many organizations, Goo Goo Dolls have help many groups, such as the amazing
"USA HARVEST" among MANY MANY OTHERS! The Goo Goo Dolls deserve to be recognized for all the good they do along with their music!
It's GOO'S TIME TO SHINE! AND BE APPRECIATED FOR HELPING OTHERS BELIEVE IN BETTER DAYS!

MY VOTES FOR GOO!

Posted by Amber McDaniel on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 14:46pm


I love the goo goo dolls!
They deserve to be in the rock n' roll hall of fame... not only for there music, but for all they do to help touch other peoples lives!

The Goo Goo Dolls are Rock n' Roll! and they deserve to be among all the other amazing bands that have made music not only great to listen too, but touching as well!

I LOVE GOO! AND WILL BE HAPPY THE DAY THEY GET INTO THE HALL OF FAME!

Posted by BETHANY MCDANIEL on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 14:50pm


"Does that seem odd to you that I should design spaces for a living yet also do community service work? Go back to the rock you crawled out from under-please!" - Teri

Yes, that does eem odd to me; I say you're a damn liar. You ride around in a rusted out VW Bus following the Goo-Goo Dolls from concert to concert and beat the homeless with a cricket bat if they can't recite the lyrics to "Slide". You should be ashamed.

Posted by shawn mc on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 16:29pm


Yes, that does eem odd to me; I say you're a damn liar. You ride around in a rusted out VW Bus following the Goo-Goo Dolls from concert to concert and beat the homeless with a cricket bat if they can't recite the lyrics to "Slide". You should be ashamed.

You sound really off the wall dude! First of all, I own my own design business and second of all, my clients and I do everything in our power for the homeless so please, shut your mouth if you don't know what you are talking about! Why don't you "Slide" on out of here?

Posted by Teri on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 18:03pm


So, first, I would be curious to know what "well known" bands you've played with. Are we talking well known in the local clubs around your little town, or are you saying that you are really Pete Townshend posting under the pseudonym of "Teri"? Just curious. Secondly, many musicians come across as idiots if you sit down and talk to them, so just because you are a self-proclaimed musician does not mean you have any more analytical insight than anyone else. Ever heard an interview with Bruce Springsteen? I admire his music greatly, but the guy can't seen to put a complete sentence together in a conversation. I'd get more out of reading old reviews by Lester Bangs vs. interviews with Springsteen, yet Springsteen is the musician.

Posted by Dezmond on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 09:03am

Dezmond, Even if I divulged that information, you probably wouldn't believe me so suffice to say that won't be happening here! Also, I do agree with you that some musicians do not have the ability to put two words together coherently in a sentence, and Springsteen is not the only one. I've met more musicians than you can possibly imagine and many were very gifted conversationalists including Iggy Pop, David Bowie, Dave Gilmour, and John Rzeznik. The truth is a whisper dude!

Posted by Teri on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 18:12pm


Hey William! I'm still waiting to hear your answer to my question as to who deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that began around the same time as the Goos?

Posted by Teri on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 18:17pm


Let's see...Mudhoney, Fugazi, Guided by Voices, Kyuss, Slint, The Pixies, Mother Love Bone, Dinosaur Jr., The Jesus and Mary Chain, Living Colour, Jane's Addiction, My Bloody Valentine...Any of those would be fine inductions.

Posted by William on Thursday, 05.31.07 @ 19:23pm


"Let's see...Mudhoney, Fugazi, Guided by Voices, Kyuss, Slint, The Pixies, Mother Love Bone, Dinosaur Jr., The Jesus and Mary Chain, Living Colour, Jane's Addiction, My Bloody Valentine...Any of those would be fine inductions."

Oh ok, and how many great songs have they composed? I'm familiar with about 2 out of 12 you have written so how is it that an obscure band would get into the hall before a household familiar name like the Goo Goo Dolls? In your dreams dude! Well, you've just created William's Fantasy Hall of Fame-congratulations!

Posted by Teri on Friday, 06.1.07 @ 07:21am


It's all about influence and innovation, not "obscurity," which is one of the weakest and most overused arguments I've seen (in other words, entirely expected from someone like you). You'll find those I've listed featured on many bands' list of influences, and I and others have spoken on their innovations on several of their pages here. Your ignorance notwithstanding, they deserve it, and I'd argue they deserve it more than the Goos, who you might be surprised to find are far from a "household name" today.

Anyway, you're welcome to go to their individual pages and argue there. It'd be much easier to talk about them separately than have to list everything right here. You should also give yourself a big pat on the back for finally turning this into an argument about whether or not the Goo Goo Dolls deserve induction, something I stressed no less than five times I wasn't interested in getting in to. You're truly a moron of epic proportions.

Posted by William on Friday, 06.1.07 @ 09:38am


Teri - "I'm familiar with about 2 out of 12 you have written so how is it that an obscure band would get into the hall before a household familiar name like the Goo Goo Dolls?"

A) So you are a musician? One who no less has rubbed elbows with the likes of Bowie and Gilmour? And you've never HEARD of most of the bands William listed? You're full of shit.

B) And you are arrogant/ignorant enough (what a fabulous combination!) to impugn the quality of their songs, thier innovation, their influence, their very worth simply on the grounds that you've never owned one of their CDs? You don't even recognize them, and yet you feel no qualms about dismissing them? Missy, you're a lunk.

I shudder to envision a Hall constructed by your shallow standard. You know who else is "a household name"? The Village People. Kevin Federline. Billy Ray Cyrus. Vanilla Ice. Styx. Big and Rich.

Posted by shawn mc on Friday, 06.1.07 @ 09:45am


Teri, you weren't one of those silly back-up singers-for-hire shaking their ass and a tambourine on lots of random tours, were you? Is that what you mean by "musician"?

Posted by Dezmond on Friday, 06.1.07 @ 09:59am


Teri, you weren't one of those silly back-up singers-for-hire shaking their ass and a tambourine on lots of random tours, were you? Is that what you mean by "musician"?

Give me more credit than that! I was one of the very first female musicians to play in an all-female band when men ruled the rock world!

Your chauvinistic attitude berates women! If it weren't for me and Joan Jett, Lita Ford and Cherie Currie, there wouldn't be The Juliet Dagger and the girls that are out there rockin' today. Also, the backup singers for Pink Floyd were amazing in a word. Claire Tory, and the others were phenomenal doing "The Dark Side of the Moon" live. Please, let's just agree to disagree!

Posted by Teri on Saturday, 06.2.07 @ 09:42am


shawn mc, name-calling is not my forte. If you want to have an intelligent discussion that's fine. Yes, rubbed elbows with legends Bowie and Gilmour. No, haven't heard of the names you listed except for a few. Obscurity doesn't get you into the RRHOF unfortunately. It's popularity which is the vote of the people and your peers that gets you into it. And what you said to me could apply to you and the Goos. And I quote you-" And you are arrogant/ignorant enough (what a fabulous combination!) to impugn the quality of their songs, thier innovation, their influence, their very worth simply on the grounds that you've never owned one of their CDs? You don't even recognize them, and yet you feel no qualms about dismissing them? Missy, you're a lunk." This goes back to you actually.

Again, sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me!

I simply meant that the Goos are recognizable to some extent by way of Iris and the City of Angels soundtrack because it was the most played song of the 1990's! Their harder rocking edgy music and lyrics are obscure as well. Please just try to give a listen to Super Star Car Wash, and A Boy Named Goo, Hold Me Up and Ego, Opinion, Art and Commerce and then let me know what you think, ok?

Posted by Teri on Saturday, 06.2.07 @ 09:51am


Your chauvinistic attitude berates women! If it weren't for me and Joan Jett, Lita Ford and Cherie Currie, there wouldn't be The Juliet Dagger and the girls that are out there rockin' today.


Are you saying you were a member of the Runaways? I know Sandy West is deceased, but there were other members through the Mid-late 70s. Are you Jackie Fox or Vicki Blue??? I think there were a couple more but I can't recall their names.

I am not trying to pick a fight I am only curious.

Posted by PJ on Saturday, 06.2.07 @ 10:28am


Teri - "It's popularity which is the vote of the people and your peers that gets you into (the r&r hall)."

Induction into this Hall has nothing to do with the popularity and the vote of the public at large. See The Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa, Patty Smith.
Wait... let me stop here, and instead of raising the bullhorn right up against your fucking ear again, I ask you : how do you think artists are inducted in?

"And what you said to me could apply to you and the Goos. And I quote you-.."

I'll pose the same question William did - are you
just not a very good reader? Show me one single line where I actually cast an aspersion upon the music or talent of the Goo Goos.
From the very start, and continuing through now, I have only been annoyed and taken issue with your methods - YOU Teri - and your reasoning in regards to The Goos case for the Hall.

Read that again, and again... and now once more and try to wrap your mind around it and stop obfuscating the issue of The Goos with the issue of Teri's Logic.
For the record (again!): I do not have an settled opinion on your Dolls.

Posted by shawn mc on Saturday, 06.2.07 @ 11:03am


Goo goo dolls are by far one of the best bands around, please listen to them from their beginings and you guys will find so much rock n roll in their souls is just amazing how john robby and mike now writte songs, thats is the beauty of rock and roll now a days

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Posted by ricko on Wednesday, 08.8.07 @ 11:44am


I hope to see that the GGD do get inducted. so many people over look them as a great rock n roll band. no they are not the "best" ever but they give so much more depth and emotion to the rock-n-roll genre so to speak. They have stuck together for 20 yrs and have belted out some of the greatest written and sounding songs. If you look back to the late 80's they have more the "punk rock" sound to them., but in respect and what people should realize is with time they mature and grow in their song writing and sound. I say give them a listen and you'll be surprised! I've loved them from the beginning and will always think they are truely a talented group with out doubt! :)

Posted by Danielle on Friday, 09.14.07 @ 13:12pm


"They have stuck together for 20 yrs"

That's hardly a record.

"but they give so much more depth and emotion to the rock-n-roll genre so to speak"

what does that mean? they wrote Iris and it made you feel some emotion?

Posted by liam on Friday, 09.21.07 @ 10:29am


I'm from Buffalo [home of the Goo Goo Dolls] and every 14 year old girl here loves them and would disagree with me on this one but I don't think that they should be included in the RRHF just because they don't have enough credibility and they simply arent good enough. Sorry.

Posted by Alex on Saturday, 04.12.08 @ 19:42pm


They are my absolute favorite band and I think that they are amazing. They have definitely made their mark on the music industry..however..i just don't think that they are good enough to be up there with serious legends such has The Beatles, Bob Dylan, Prince, The Eagles, Queen, Aerosmith, and all the others.

Posted by Amy on Friday, 06.13.08 @ 17:45pm


I'm b-a-a-c-k to say that I was in attendance as John Rzeznik received his very richly deserved award from Paul Schaeffer at the Songwriters Hall of Fame Awards last Thursday, June 19, 2008 held at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square. The entire acceptance speech and performance of "Slide" done with the house band is up on youtube now. To those of you who have stated that he lacks the gravity of his contemporaries, I am here to prove you wrong once again. Let the record show that Rob Thomas, Alicia Keys, John Legend and John Meyer were previous recipients of the Hal David Starlight Award for songwriters who had made a significant impact on the music industry and now John Rzeznik joins them in 2008!

Respectfully submitted,

Teri :)

Posted by Teri on Thursday, 06.26.08 @ 17:49pm


Those contemporaries you listed are all very shitty and have little to no critical respect. This only confirms that he's a populist songwriter, nothing more.

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 06.26.08 @ 18:10pm


Well Casper, you aren't a very friendly ghost are you? I attended the John Mayer/Colbie Callait show last night and he did the most phenomenal cover version of Jimi's "Axis-Bold As Love" and "The Wind Cries Mary" I've ever heard and apparently the thousands of others agreed. So I disagree vehemently with you. He and his band also did an 11 minute 20 second rendition of "Gravity" that was musical genius so again, your nasty words have no affect on me. I love you music critics-always the first ones to rip others. And what may I ask are your credentials to pose as a defamer of John Mayer, John Rzeznik and the rest?

Posted by Teri on Friday, 07.11.08 @ 18:52pm


I think he may have worked for Pitchfork previously.

Posted by ??? on Friday, 07.11.08 @ 19:59pm


This is w/out a doubt the most hilarious series of posts I've read so far. I'll toss in my two cents here as well.

The initial GGD albums were o.k., definitely some good stuff here. Then "A Boy Named Goo" came out, and they started to cross over into other markets (musically the album was still good). Unfortunately, it was at this point their music slowly became the province of the all-powerful soccer mom. LOL!!! The problem is they switched their style to fit AC radio, and the results are pitiful. Everyone of the bands William named have far outstripped the GGD's. The frightening thing is that 15 yrs. ago the GGD's could actually be mentioned in the same breath as these acts and could at least be partially taken seriously. As for the Hall: Forget it.

Of course, if the voting board is still the same in 2012 and senility has kicked in, well...

Posted by Cheesecrop on Saturday, 07.12.08 @ 07:20am


Teri, after reading what you wrote about being in a well known band as well as your age, I have a question.

Are you Teri Nunn from the group Berlin?

Posted by joker on Monday, 07.14.08 @ 15:23pm


Dear god, some of these Goobers are making the best case for them not to be in.

Just because they're great people doesn't put them with rock legends. The music is what matters here. If you say they keep getting better, you're sorely mistaken. They're on the downside of their career. How long will they stretch out that downside, who knows. They're still a great band, but to say they're putting out their best music is flat out wrong. Record sales say so. Music critics say so. And those are the two barometers that will matter here. Having a bunch of Hot AC hits isn't as big a deal as having Mainstream Rock or Hot 100 hits. The Goo's haven't had those in a while.

IMO, if the Goo Goo Dolls continue to stay relevant through the end of this decade, I think they have a case. They've had a couple monster albums, a few monster songs, were part of the renaissance of rock in the mid-90's and have kept putting out good music in some weak rock era's (late 90's-early 00's).

I don't think there's any argument that once they reached stardom, the music went downhill, but damn, the starting point for that descent was high. "A Boy Named Goo" should be in the conversation for best rock album of the 90's. Hopefully, the fact that they grew out of being the critic's darlings won't hurt them.

If I had to pick a band that I'd put them in the same echelon with, I'd say Foo Fighters. Longevity, relevancy, musical importance... They're about equal.

Posted by Eric on Monday, 08.4.08 @ 14:59pm


If they are judged by how the music touches people's lives then they are definitely IN! I could write a book about the fans who have confided in me how the Goos and John Rzeznik's lyrics particularly have saved them in times of despair. His words seem to resonate with the fans on a deeply personal level. In this day and age it's not just about record sales (particularly because of the fact that people are free to simply buy and download a song at a time and not have to buy the entire cd and that is the case with all artists not just the Goos) but I have to say their sales are absolutely fine and they have had major sold out shows across the world during 2006-2009 after the release of Let Love In. I like the Foo Fighters but do not think they are in the same league as the Goos. I was there at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square on June 19, 2008 when John Rzeznik received his well deserved Hal David Starlight Award for relevance and excellence in penning songs! The previous recipients were John Mayer, John Legend, Rob Thomas and Alicia Keys. Paul Schaeffer introduced John and spoke of the impact his music has had on an entire generation and would continue to do so into the future! And no, I'm not Teri Nunn from Berlin. And I'm no soccer mom either. I'm a musician who recognizes gifted and talented artists. Just because John's music doesn't resonate with you personally doesn't mean it fails to do so with the tens of thousands of fans he has here in the States and around the world! Again respectfully submitted,

Teri

Posted by Teri on Saturday, 01.31.09 @ 13:36pm


I think they get in but truthfully i think they could care less if they get in the hall. a lot of bands could care less, they are just doing what they do best, recording and playing music. i know rush said a little while ago that they could care less if they are in the hall, its just a museum that has inducted bands that are soo far from rock that it shouldnt be call the rock n roll hall of fame anymore. and plus does being in the hall really make you sell more records? probably not

Posted by mike on Saturday, 02.7.09 @ 22:52pm


i think they will because they have done great on the charts and johnny has wrote one of the greatest songs ever. "Iris". even name, slide, broadway, big machine, stay with you and better days are unbelieveable. they will be in the hall of fame within a few years

Posted by heath scantlin on Wednesday, 02.11.09 @ 16:31pm


Ya know, the Goo Goo Dolls have written some fine songs over the years.

Although I am not a "fan" (in the sense that I don't travel across the country to see them in concert or such), I can appreciate the fact that they have written some great tunes. "Better Days" is a beautiful song (although the kids in the video bugged me for some reason), and I've always thought that "Name" is an underrated gem.

However, I believe in a "Small Hall." That is a term that I picked up from folks who debated the merits of electing more or less baseball players into the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. Those who use this argument believe that "the less that are inducted, the more prestigious that recognition of acceptance is."

I think this term can be equally applied to this debate about the RnR Hall of Fame, and it is one that I am firmly in favor of.

Are the Goo Goo Dolls a fine band? It's a subjective answer, and all depends on your taste. They've had some tremendous success over the years, and have given a lot back to communities across the country.

Would they fit in this "Small Hall" that I speak of?

Unless they surprise me and release an album that has a Pet Sounds type of influence on rock and roll... then absolutely not.

When I think of who deserves to be enshrined in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, it should be reserved for those who have changed the landscape of music.

Here's a list of some of the names that I believe deserve this honor (in no particular order):

Elvis, The Beatles, The Beach Boys, Bob Dylan, Aretha Franklin, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Bruce Springsteen, U2, Creedence Clearwater, Marvin Gaye...

This list could go on, but I think it is easy to understand my point.

Do any of you seriously put the Goo Goo Dolls on the same level as those I just mentioned?

This does not mean that I don't think acts who have not achieved that type of impact should automatically be discarded.

In fact, I think The Replacements should definitely be inducted because of their lasting influence. They, along with REM, were pioneers of the post punk, indie, alternative scene.

The problem that faces the Goo Goo Dolls is that not only are they not an icon like a Dylan or a Springsteen, but they haven't (as of yet) really had a lasting influence on the culture. They are a solid band, but there aren't a bunch of up and coming bands of significance claiming the Goo Goos as their influence.

For the supporters: Who or what have the Goo Goo Dolls done to change the landscape of rock and roll? If you can satisfactorily answer that question on artistic merits alone (and NOT what type of humanitarians they are), then you'll be successful in changing a lot of skeptical minds.

Posted by Tommy on Monday, 06.1.09 @ 17:41pm


However, I believe in a "Small Hall." That is a term that I picked up from folks who debated the merits of electing more or less baseball players into the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. Those who use this argument believe that "the less that are inducted, the more prestigious that recognition of acceptance is."

I think this term can be equally applied to this debate about the RnR Hall of Fame, and it is one that I am firmly in favor of.

Posted by Tommy on Monday, 06.1.09 @ 17:41pm
--------------------------------------------------
VERY, VERY interesting...

I read your brief listing of "Small Hall" inductees. Care to expand on it and list them all (or at least most of them)?

Here are my inductees for a stringent "Small Hall":

Elvis/ L. Richard/ C. Berry/ B. Holly/ J.L. Lewis/
Link Wray/ Beach Boys/ B. Dylan/ Beatles/ Stones/ Who/ Hendrix/ Zeppelin/ Sabbath/ Van Halen/ Clash/
M. Jackson/ REM/ U2/ Nirvana/ P. Jam

Posted by Cheesecrop on Monday, 06.1.09 @ 18:37pm


I will expand it, and add a bit of why. I think I could probably come up with about 100 names that I think could or should be included, which would still shrink the size of the Hall a great deal...

If I were to start with a Hall, I divide them up into categories:


The pioneers:
Chuck Berry, Elvis, JL Lewis, The Beatles, The Beach Boys, Little Richard, Buddy Holly, Aretha, Ray Charles

Though I am probably leaving out quite a few (it is past 10 and my brain isn't working as well as it would be as it would earlier), these are the essentials who shaped generations. I don't think anyone could have a valid argument against any of those artists' merits.


Next, I would come up with those weren't necessarily the "stage setters," but had an impact more or less on the same scale as the above mentioned.


The Essentials:
The Rolling Stones, The Who, Bruce Springsteen, Jimi Hendrix, Ike and Tina Turner, Phil Spector, Marvin Gaye, Creedence, The Byrds, The Doors, The Velvet Underground

Like the originals, these artists have made a significant impact on not only a musical scale, but also on a cultural scale. Also like the above list, most of these acts have been around over 35 years. The Stones and the Who don't really need an explanation. Springsteen and John Fogerty (CCR) are two whose have had such immense success, and also are the cultural heirs to Dylan who have directly influenced the ideals of so many artists. Some of those who claim them as a direct influence are Eddie Vedder, Bono, REM's Michael Stype, etc...
The Doors impact can't be overlooked.


Next would come the originators, these are the artists who helped create their own genre, or made such an impact on rock and roll that. Still have been around for a long time:

Zeppelin, Eric Clapton, The Clash, The Temptations, Curtis Mayfield, Black Sabbath, Janis Joplin, Wilson Pickett

Sabbath basically became the first popular heavy metal group. Zeppelin were so big that their influence can't be overlooked.


Next, we have the innovators. These may not have had the success of any of the above groups, but they are considered integral parts of movements. This list includes names that may not always be considered rock and roll, but their impact is large, in their own right. Some have been around longer than any of the before mentioned:

BB King, Link Wray, Duane Eddy, The MC5, Van Morrison, Robert Johnson, the Allman Brothers, the Greatful Dead... there are more that could be listed here


Of course, I shouldn't forget a Neil Young category:

Neil Young, Buffalo Springfield, Crosby Stills & Nash...


You have the modern picks whose impact was so large that it changed popular culture. These are more recent acts:

Michael Jackson, Madonna, Nirvana, U2, Metallica, Guns N Roses,



Now is where it gets tricky because this is where picks become borderline...

Modern trendsetters who haven't had the popular impact, but were seen as integral parts of their movement. These artists are open to debate, and are a judgement call until more time has passed. I included a few rap artists who I think are too influential to be left out of the mix:

The Replacements, REM, Public Enemy, NWA, Ice T, Joy Division, and even throw out a bone and include a prog band like Rush here (for example)


Bands who weren't necessarily groundbreaking, but who should probably get on artistic merit and longivity:

Van Halen, Pearl Jam, AC/DC,

possibly Green Day, Radiohead... bands that I don't necessarily follow, but who might have a viable argument


Finally, you have the truly borderline acts who have arguments for and against:

Grunge bands like AiC or Soundgarden. Jefferson Airplane, etc...



That's just a criteria. More could be added as I'm sure I've left out a bunch, but it would help set a bar and all the head scratchers would be weeded out if the debate is over bands that had the impact of a Jefferson Airplane instead of whether the commercial success of a Meatloaf (kidding) merits induction...


Posted by Tommy on Monday, 06.1.09 @ 21:05pm


i think the goos should definately be put up there.they really are a great band and deserve to be up there....they've been through alot(especially john)not just as individuals,but as a whole band.john doesn't focus on writing about sex and drugs and girls(although he used to a little on some of the older albums but robby used to write most of the lyrics)but he's grown up since then and writes songs with more meaning.lots of bands credit the goos as an influence.

Posted by sophie on Friday, 06.19.09 @ 09:26am


666 Votes for the Goo Goo Dolls. Creepy, right?

Posted by Dude Man on Wednesday, 07.1.09 @ 17:42pm


The single most underrated band of all time. The Goo Goo Dolls. Name one band who has a better non-popular and should have been big record than Superstar Carwash. And it's by far their best and most complete to date. The band may be one of if not the only "real" band to break it big after Nirvana. And The Goo Goo Dolls done it their own way. When there was hair metal, grunge and rap rock. They played punk, modern, hard alternative garage rock n' roll. The Replacements should be given credit for the infulence cast over Johnny Rzeznik. The Goo Goo Dolls took what the Replacements had and left behind to make it into their own thing. Johnny Rzeznik just may be the greatest singer of all time but it's the lyrics he sings that no others have written before. You only wish there were a band today who had the courage to write within the soul and not around. They have ripped off no one and should be rewarded as now one of the most influential bands of this generation. Unlike most other bands they waited a long time for success. Why should they wait any longer.

Posted by Luke on Thursday, 11.12.09 @ 22:25pm


Not a very acclaimed act- and, the percentage shown here supports that. (most of these % chances are spot on, save for a couple).

Posted by JR on Saturday, 02.13.10 @ 21:53pm


could someone explain to me exactly how the Goo Goo Dolls ripped off the Replacements?
If I read correctly, the Goo Goo Dolls have sold 10 times as many albums as the Replacements and if the Replacements are better they would have sold more

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 03.17.10 @ 11:19am


I agree with Tommy. Making the list more exclusive would help better define who gets in and would cause the hall of fame to be more respected as a whole. As to whether the Goo's deserve it or not... hard to say. I do like them and I'd like to say that A Boy Named Goo and Dizzy Up the Girl helped change the sound of rock for a generation but i certainly wouldn't be surprised if they didn't get in, I feel there are certainly others who deserve it equally if not more. I would argue that A Boy Named Goo while good was not the cusp of their success, rather it was the last album that still had traces of a moderately successful Replacements copy off at best, and a mediocre grunge band at worst. Had they kept that sound it would have inevitably made them just another grunge band following far more talented acts like Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Sound Garden, etc. It was the success of their power ballads that influenced the rock of the era if they had stuck with the grungier sound that some on this list seem to suggest they would have passed by unmourned, as a band that lived in the shadow of the replacements and never could get out. As to the comment above mine John has admitted several times he took from the Replacements and wrote one of his songs with them. And finally this is a reverence to the older comments on this list. Tina I doubt you will ever read this comment but fan girls like you are why it is hard to take these bands seriously based on merits alone.

Posted by John Cv on Thursday, 04.1.10 @ 22:19pm


I like some of their stuff (I even own "Dizzy Up the Girl"), but I just don't think they're important enough for induction.

"I was there at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square on June 19, 2008 when John Rzeznik received his well deserved Hal David Starlight Award for relevance and excellence in penning songs! The previous recipients were John Mayer, John Legend, Rob Thomas and Alicia Keys." - Teri

Ah... well that doesn't look good actually, since Alicia Keys has been brought into it. She built a career on a hit based on her heartbreak and despair ("Falling"). That heartbreak now looks shallow and hypocritical in the wake of her being a homewrecker (as in, being knocked up by and conceiving with a married man.) So, instead, if you want to defend John and co. focus on:

-Innovation
-Influence
-Perpetuation of the artform

I think GGD just don't quite cut the mustard, sorry.

"could someone explain to me exactly how the Goo Goo Dolls ripped off the Replacements?" - Mike

I haven't heard the Dolls' early stuff, but apparently that stuff is them sounding like Replacements wannabes. Go listen for yourself and make your own conclusions.

Posted by Sam on Wednesday, 07.21.10 @ 16:31pm


Goo probably won't get into the Hall, but John Rzeznik should get into the Songwriters Hall of Fame.

Posted by Brian on Tuesday, 07.27.10 @ 22:53pm




@Brian: Rzeznik is already in the songwriters hall of fame...and he deserves it. he's the best songwriter in today’s music.

Im going to state my opinion on this...The Goo Goo Dolls have always been my number one favorite modern band, and still are...but, I honestly don’t think they will make it to the rock n roll hall of fame. I’m not saying I don’t think they should be inducted, but I just dont see that happening. Aside from “Iris”, “Name”, and “Slide”, the Dolls are practically like underground band, not there sound, but there whole career. not many people (other than the fans) know any of there songs.

But, if they are ever inducted into the rock n roll hall of fame…it will probably be a long ways down the road (which would be a bigger possibility)

But you also have to wonder what honor is left in being inducted…..for heavens sake, Madonna is in there (WTF?).

Posted by Dann on Saturday, 07.31.10 @ 18:34pm


Why would anyone want this Great Band in the Hall of Fame????
My Favorite Band is Rush, There are only 3 other Bands that have sold more albums then Rush, they are.....The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and Aerosmith lol, My other Favorite Band is YES..
For those who do not know, they invented many of the very sounds you hear today, Chris Squire their Bassist invented the lead bass widely used today. Rick Wakeman their Keyboardist is in the Guinness book of world records from playing the most types of keyboards at once. Jon Anderson their lead Singer and world class musician is a living legend, Steve Howe is widely considered one of the top 10 greatest lead guitarist in History.
And who’s is Better than Neil Pert (rush) on the Drums? Neither Yes or Rush are in the Hall. Meanwhile there are singers who are one hit wonders in there. LOL
Yes and Rush will still be heard when the Hall of Fame is a crumbled Relic.
The Goo Goo Dolls are well on their way to achieve this kind of legendary status. They will be selling out arenas when the likes of Madonna, Brittney and Miley are old hags with hanging skin.

Posted by Pat Iannitti on Wednesday, 09.1.10 @ 19:47pm


Actually, Rush have sold somewhere between 40 and 49 million records. There are 139 musical artists who have at least 50 million records sold, so no Rush aren't even close to the 3rd best-selling band of all time.

"Chris Squire their Bassist invented the lead bass widely used today."

He's a great bassist, but you misspelt "John Entwistle" as far as I can see. Anyway, who brought up Rush and Yes? We know they should be in the Hall, so why bring them up everywhere?

"The Goo Goo Dolls are well on their way to achieve this kind of legendary status."

"How?" and "not even close" are the two best answers I can think of here.

Posted by Sam on Friday, 09.10.10 @ 09:05am


I personally love these guys. And after seeing one of their concerts, I loved them more- it's hard to find bands that are just as good live as they are on their albums. And the new one "For the rest of us" isn't the greatest... but they are epic. Just flat out amazing. UwU

Posted by Yo on Wednesday, 09.29.10 @ 10:57am


I think they should get in for one reason. They have the most top 40 songs on the Adult Top 40 chart than anyone, and they just keep growing on it, 14 and counting. I think if you have a record for most charting songs on any chart, you should at least be looked at and not overlooked

Posted by mike on Thursday, 12.9.10 @ 12:50pm


Having the most charting songs on a chart doesn't change the fact that a band sucks. When i hear the Goo Goo Dolls i don't think they are a legendary band that should be enshrined in a hall of fame i think well maybe Helen Keller didn't have it so bad after all.

Posted by Greg on Thursday, 12.9.10 @ 14:29pm


They are probably not Hall worthy, but they do have some catchy songs.

Certainly not a bad band.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 12.10.10 @ 07:39am


the goo goo dolls would be nothing without the original drummer George Tutuska, their original drummer, and my Uncle. HE started the band, and he wrote most of their hits when they first started, including "falling down" ... he deserves more credit than the other two talenless clowns... guitar player sucks and has a bad voice, bass isnt anything special.. and they can barely write.. George Tutuska made them what they are today, and they just dumped him out on the street

Posted by Dan on Tuesday, 01.24.12 @ 18:22pm


Please everyone stop referencing iris. Please take a look at there older work. Lucky star for instance has some grate vocals by Takac. Rzeznik is not there only lead singer, although he is good.

And why did this site turn into a pissing match between ,William, Teri, and Shawn mc. I kinda thought it was about the music

Posted by Evalyn on Thursday, 02.16.12 @ 11:32am


"If I read correctly, the Goo Goo Dolls have sold 10 times as many albums as the Replacements and if the Replacements are better they would have sold more"

This might be the worst thing I've ever read.

Posted by Chalkie on Saturday, 02.18.12 @ 16:08pm


Wow, I'm in complete agreement. That could be one of the dumbest statements I've seen around here in a long time.

Posted by Tahvo Parvianen on Saturday, 02.18.12 @ 16:15pm


backstreet boys have sold more than dylan, don't make them better.

Posted by GFW on Saturday, 02.18.12 @ 17:08pm


I didn't even notice that before. Stupid stupid, not to mention completely irrelevant

Posted by Sam on Friday, 02.24.12 @ 18:58pm


If the beastie boys can get in than its sad if the goo goo dolls can't Johnny rzeznik is already in the song writers hof make it happen

Posted by Joey on Sunday, 01.13.13 @ 01:32am


http://songwritershalloffame.com/ceremony/awards/C3009

He's not actually a songwriters hall of fame inductee. They gave him a special award. The 2008 Hal David Starlight Award.

Named after our esteemed Chairman/CEO, this prestigious award was established to honor gifted songwriters who are at an apex in their careers and are making a significant impact in the music industry via their original songs. Past awardees include Rob Thomas, Alicia Keys, John Mayer, John Legend, John Rzeznik and Jason Mraz.

They could still actually be inducted in the future.

Posted by Roy on Sunday, 01.13.13 @ 07:09am


They Stand for everything Rock and Roll IS NOT about, abandoning their integrity to be a boy band. I would rather see Asking Alexandria get it (they may suck, but at least they made it based on THEIR ideas and not what labels wanted them to do. and even they are better sounding.)

Posted by Steam Junky on Saturday, 08.2.14 @ 00:32am


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