Europe

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Will Europe be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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Europe is a great band but didn't have that many hits. They had we are half way to heaven, and its the final countdown. They are a tiny influence to bands that AREN'T succesful. Yet even though this band wasn't popular or wasn't influenceal they are very talented and the hall of fame SHOULD be about talent also!

Posted by Don on Tuesday, 06.26.07 @ 18:46pm


Yes, but influence does count and they,Van Halen and Def Leppard were the ones that started metal-pop. And for that they deserve to be in the hall for influecing pop and metal put together and brought it to music

Posted by Greg on Tuesday, 06.26.07 @ 18:48pm


Lameass hair band that have no place in HOF

Posted by karl on Sunday, 10.28.07 @ 03:40am


If there is a higher power, then Europe will be erased from any and all thoughts of ever getting in. This was a very sad band.

Posted by Frankie on Saturday, 11.24.07 @ 08:30am


IMO, this is the single worst band in the history of Rock and Roll. I will listen to fingernails on a blackboard before I subjected myself to this.

Posted by Dameon on Monday, 12.24.07 @ 11:21am


Hey come one Europe's a good band. Maybe not Hall of Famers, but certainly a stepping stone. I mean, you don't become a man in the world of keyboard until you can play "The Final Countdown."

Posted by Metalsmith on Sunday, 02.10.08 @ 14:20pm


"Common People" Keyboard Line > "Final Countdown" Keyboard Line.

Same for the songs, aswell. And the discographies of the groups.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 02.10.08 @ 14:25pm


I actually really liked them... but I guess it's because I listened to hem in my childhood. Hope they get inducted.

Posted by Shadez on Friday, 02.29.08 @ 13:24pm


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Never !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will turn in my membership as a "Rocker" if this ever happened. One of the worst bands of all time.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 02.29.08 @ 17:09pm


It's the FINAL COUNTDOWN!
Da-da-da da, da-da-da da-da

Posted by Metalsmith on Friday, 02.29.08 @ 19:21pm


Well, they gave us the coolest synthesizer riff ever. In addition, their reltively unkown "superstitious" has one of the most bad ass guitar solos ever. But those things only go so far. And have you listened to their last two albums? Total crap.

Posted by Eddie on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 14:04pm


"Well, they gave us the coolest synthesizer riff ever." - Dead Headie

No they didn't. I'll direct you to "Don't You Want Me" or "Common People" or all the countless better synth riffs.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 15:01pm


If I may add to what Liam said...ever heard of Emerson, Lake & Palmer? They kinda pioneered the whole synthesizer thing (Allegedly, "Lucky Man" was the first song to use a Moog synthesizer). Of course, we also have Jan Hammer (Jeff Beck projects and work on "Miami Vice"), Giorgio Moroder ("Chase from Midnight Express), Gary Wright (who"s music was a little more on the pop side, but not too terribly bad), among others.

Posted by Terry on Friday, 03.14.08 @ 19:24pm


Excuse me all - but I would think that the most famous synth riff is in Baba O'Reilly. but that is just my opinion.

I will say again, if Europe is even considered for the HoF, I am turning in my leather jackets for a straight jacket.

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 12:49pm


I think Kraftwerk's "The Model" is the most famous.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 12:57pm


Only you Liam would think that anything other than the most obvious would be the most famous. I would be more than happy to bet you anything that the Synth riff to Baba O'Riley by the Who is more famous than anything in the complete Kraftwerk Catalog.

If I lose, I will happily type in at the end of each of my posting the following "New Order is the greatest band in the world". If you lose, then you must type the following at the end of each of your comments; " I love Rush"

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 13:15pm


Baba O'Riley has a synth intro, so not technically a riff.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 15:12pm


I'm going to side with Dameon on this. Everybody loves The Who. Only false intellectuals like Kraftwerk.

Posted by Metalsmith on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 15:59pm


I know lots of people who don't like The Who at all. I know a few casual music fans that like Kraftwerk. Stop trying to make up rules
that don't exist.

Do you honestly not understand the difference between objectivity and subjectivity? Honestly? Find me a single comment I've made on this site where I claim to like Kraftwerk, and your comment might contain some relevancy.

Actually, this conversation isn't even about who likes what, so it actually couldn't be relevant at all, even if you did.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 16:04pm


A little touchy?

Posted by Metalsmith on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 16:12pm


No, not at all. What gave you that impression?

Now, if you've got any (hopefully relevant) points to make (doubtful), please make them.

These regular short n' snide comments are only showing you up as having nothing to say.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 16:17pm


I don't know too many people that do not like The Who. I think his only point was that of a 'general' observation. Of course, there are almost always exceptions to rules - that is obvious.

Posted by Starr on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 16:31pm


I do. I know quite a few people who haven't a care for the music of The Who.

If his point was about general observation (and NOTHING about his comment was), then he should have said so. I do still have to give him the respect of assuming that what he says is what he means.

You're sounding a lot like our old buddy, now you come to think about it.

And even if it was a general observation, I've already pointed out that there are people who don't like The Who, and that there are people who casually listen to Kraftwerk.

Posted by Liam on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 16:35pm


Who are they?

Posted by Metalsmith on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 16:41pm


"Baba O'Riley has a synth intro, so not technically a riff."

That "technicality" aside, would you wager the bet?

When I was referring to "general", I meant it as obviosuly not everyone likes the Who and not everyong that listens to Kraftwerk is a snobby intellectual. It was a general observation. You can't always be so literal, thats all I was pointing out.

Posted by Starr on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 16:56pm


Regading Baba O'Riley; Liam is techinically correct that the Synth is the intro, but that doesn't mean it is not a riff, at least as far as my understanding of music is and I picked up my first instrument at 9 Y.O. That being said, this has nothing to do whether a band is liked or not. Most famous can either mean, most familiar or most loved. I was making the point that the opening riff/intro to Baba O'Riley is probably the most well known. Terry mentioned the concluding riff to "Lucky Man" which is also up there.

Next topic!

Posted by Dameon on Friday, 04.4.08 @ 23:43pm


Doesn't actually matter who I was talking about. The chances of you having met any of them are literally nil.

"When I was referring to "general", I meant it as obviosuly not everyone likes the Who and not everyong that listens to Kraftwerk is a snobby intellectual. It was a general observation. You can't always be so literal, thats all I was pointing out."

If it was, then he should have said "In general..." at the beginning of his post. If it was then he would not have said that "everyone" was a Who-fan, rather he would have said something along the lines of 'most people' or 'lots of people'.

I wasn't being so literal at all. If he meant something other than what he said, how am I supposed to know that?

I never realised that you could read people's minds from your monitor, Anon.



Anyways, there are loads more memorable synths patterns, riffs, whatevers than Baba O'Riley. "Cars" and "Are 'Friends' Electric?" by Gary Numan and The Tubeway Army, "The Model" by Kraftwerk, "I Just Can't Get Enough" by Depeche Mode, "The Final Countdown" by Europe (yes, they suck, but that's not the point), "1999" by Prince, "Take On Me" by A-ha....

....And, ofcourse, "Axel F" by Harold Faltermeyer.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 02:43am


Liam - whether it is liked or not, I stand by my claim and wager that more people in this entire world are more familiar with the synth on Baba O'Riley than any other song.

Even if they hate the group or song, they know it.

Posted by dameon on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 05:57am


And I really, really, really doubt that. Not everyone is as clued-in about The Who as you seem to think, and I know people who've never heard My Generation before, never mind Baba O'Riley.

Seriously, listen to all the synth riffs I listed. You've heard them.

P.S. Wikipedia (Our Old Buddy's favourite) names it as an intro solo played on keyboard. Not a riff.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 06:42am


"I wasn't being so literal at all. If he meant something other than what he said, how am I supposed to know that?"

By not being so literal :-)

Posted by Starr on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 06:45am


So, Anon, you can read people's minds from your computer monitor, even when they could be thousands of milkes away?

You've got to teach me that trick someday.

And in return, I'll teach you how to stop making it so bleeding obvious when you come here eith a new name.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 06:49am


No clue who "anon" is at all. As for reading minds, I cannot do that. I was merely pointing out that any fairly intelligent person would know that he did not literally mean that EVERYONE knows or likes The Who. He was using the term loosely. Like did you ever hear anyone say, "I'm gonna kill you." Do you call the police in those situations?

PLus, I have been reading through these posts as a newcomer and I see that you are pretty obseesed with it, so I figured after all the practice you have had, you would be better at it.

Posted by Starr on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 07:07am


We'll see about that, won't we? It's funny how you feel the need to point out to us all that you are a newcomer, even though it's clear to everyone that you've been here less than week. Also notable is the fact that there has already been someone called "Starr" that has posted here previously.

If that's what he meant to say, then he should have said it. Shall we break down the comment together?

"Everybody loves The Who."

So, he says that everbody loves The Who, even though I presented my case as to why that isn't true.

"Only false intellectuals like Kraftwerk."

Again, not true, and I've already pointed out why.



We'll let him decide what he meant to say. If it's anything other than what he actually said, then he's certifiably an illiterate retard.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 07:17am


Liam - not everyone is Anon using a different name. You really need to get over that buddy boy.

And I really, really, really doubt that. Not everyone is as clued-in about The Who as you seem to think, and I know people who've never heard My Generation before, never mind Baba O'Riley. - Liam

Did I once say that everyone in the entire world knew who The Who were or know the song. No!!!!!!!You state that you know people who never heard of the Who. What does that even mean when explaining your opinion? I guarantee that there are only a handful of bands in the genre of RnR that are more well known than the Who. Thinking about it, you know what may rival the synth in Baba O'Riley; the synth sequence in "Won't Get Fooled Again". Oops, that is the Who also. I am sure that arguements can be made for ELP or Yes, but I still think the songs on Who's Next may have the edge. Besides, "Who's Next" appears on just about every one of those stupid lists they compile to tell us what is best.

Since you mentioned Wiki - here are a couple of quotes from it:

"Noted for its innovative fusion of the Who's hard rock sound and early electronic music experimentation by Townshend inspired by minimalist composer Terry Riley,"

"Listen very closely to the beginning. You have the sequencer (synthesizer) playing. Then you have the piano come in."

I will state again in no uncertain terms: when discussing the synth - this would be considered, IMO, a riff. It may not be traditional, but it is what it is. And it really doesn't matter what you call it - it is still more reconizable than anything by Gary Neuman, Kraftwerk, or Europe.

Here is why; although I cannot back this up with actual facts, the Who have been around for 44 years which is at least 10 years longer than anyone you mentioned. I believe that is at least 2 generations of people. From 1965 up until Keith Moon's death, they were considered one of the premier touring bands in the world, therefore, probably seen more than the bands you mentioned. As good as Kraftwerk and the others were/are, they never had the amount of radio play that the Who did, hence, the masses heard The Who on the radio more often. To this day, it is still one of the most requested Who songs on the radio (At least here in the States). Just because of the line in the song, "Teenage Wasteland", teenagers from all decades and eras have picked up on this song (why, I don't know). I guess it gives them something to scream and they can identify with it for one reason or another. The only statistic's I can offer regarding my opinion would be record sales and I would bet that the scales would tip in favor the Who on this.

Your statement and I copy/paste: I think Kraftwerk's "The Model" is the most famous.

Your statement lends itself to be about exposure to the general masses. I challenged it, then you bring a few other bands and artists and I challenge that statement as well. This does not take away from their importance to RnR, their influence or their innovation. It is just a statement based on what I believe to be a clear-cut matter. There are better than bands in the world who are not "more famous", but that is not the subject matter here.

Now, unless you can provide a reasonable arguement contradicting me - I expect you to start ending all your comments with "I Love Rush" ;-)

This does not diminsih your knowledge or love of music - but in this one instance, you are incorrect with your assumptions. Come on Liam - say it just once - "Dameon, you are right". I know it hurts, but you can do it. Come on buddy - you can do it. And if you can't, that is okay. I still wish you a good weekend.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 08:09am


Way to overblow such a bland, trivial discussion.

No, I won't say "Dameon, you are right" because there is absolutely no way that you can prove your point. Do you honestly intend on interviewing every single person alive today? Good luck with that.

You're arguing an incredibly subjective point as if it was stone cold fact. Don't even try it.

Also, simply because The Who are more famous than Kraftwerk (and they are, simple as), there's no real link to say that the songs are the same. Think abbout it.

As far as most instantly recognsiable synth riff goes, Baba O'Riley doesn't even come close to #1. It's not populist enough, IMO.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 08:19am


This is why no one likes playing with you Liam.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 08:30am


What? Your entire post just reeked of arrogance and knowitall-syndrome. I offered my short contribution that I didn't think Baba O'Riley was the most famous synth riff ever, and you then followed it up with the longest, most domineereing post you could have possibly made.

Especially bad is the last paragraph, in which you tried make me 'admit' that you were factually correct about a hugely subjective point.

Ever think it was you with the problem?

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 08:37am


What? Your entire post just reeked of arrogance and knowitall-syndrome. - Liam

You are the one that started by saying that Kraftwerk's "The Model". I gave an opinion and you jumped all over it.

Especially bad is the last paragraph, in which you tried make me 'admit' that you were factually correct about a hugely subjective point. - Liam

That was called having fun - did you notice the little smiley face I made? Did you also notice that I went out of my way to show my respect for your opinion. I even wished you a good weekend.

Ever think it was you with the problem? - Liam

No - have you noticed that most people here don't really care for your opinions when they reek of arrogance, which is half the time. I for one never question your knowledge and have even admitted learning a thing or two from you. But you go ahead and think like you do. I still stand by my statement here. But why don't you go into the pub tonight and take an informal survey and let me know what the results are. I am now out of here for the weekend. Have a good one!!

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 10:20am


Dameon is right about Baba O'Reily, another fact is it is the theme song for CSI:NY, one of the more popular shows on tv and heard every week by millions of people.

So in your face Liam.

Posted by Brian on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 10:37am


In reading through these posts, Dameon is certaintly right, Liam comes across at least on these blogs, as arrogant and stubborn. He does not seem to concede much. And even though he makes valid points at times, other times the posts do not seem to make much sense. Where is Liam from? Are you the famous actor? :-)

Anyway, Brian, btw, love CSI: NY and Miami. I also love the intro by The Who, also how they changed it around a little too. Those shows kick ass on my hi-def 50" plasma too.

Posted by Starr on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 10:59am


"Dameon is right about Baba O'Reily, another fact is it is the theme song for CSI:NY, one of the more popular shows on tv and heard every week by millions of people.

So in your face Liam."

Doesn't prove anything whatsoever. You'll never be able to prove that it is the most popular without interviewing at least 5% of the world's population (just a few billion), and natural reasoning says you won't be able to do so.

"Liam comes across at least on these blogs, as arrogant and stubborn. He does not seem to concede much. And even though he makes valid points at times, other times the posts do not seem to make much sense."

Any examples, or can I just book you in for a giving me a few more random, unjustified insults?

Because ofcourse, I wouldn't be able to live without myself without approval from some idiot on the internet that I'll never meet in person.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 11:33am


all Dameon said is that peolple are more familiar with that song than the ones you mentioned.
that is all you wanker

Posted by Brian Snyder on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 11:41am


Actually, Dameon said everyone was familiar with the song. Big difference there.

Don't even try getting vulgar on me. It ain't gonna work.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 11:50am


Actually, Dameon said everyone was familiar with the song. Big difference there - Liam

I suggest you look back and read my comments. Nowhere will you read that I said everyone was familiar with the song. I clearly stated that IMO, more people worldwide were familiar with the song and the band than "The Model" by Kraftwerk which you stated was more famous. And I gave my reasoning for this observation.

Go read my comments and yours.

And did I read correctly - you telling someone else not to get vulgar with you? Wow - talk abot hypocritical.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 15:33pm


Plus, even if you did say "everyone" - it is easy to figure out that you would have been using the term loosely and not literally. Obviously, there are about 6 billion people on the planet and I doubt "everyone" knows the song and I doubt you meant it literally. But, since you say that you never even said it, the whole point is moot.

Posted by Starr on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 15:55pm


Thnx Starr - actually, I have learned to make sure what I type here. I made a mistake once about named sub-genres and was crucified for it. That will never happen again. But I did learn something new and I admit to being shown that by Shawn (Blue) and Liam.

Feel free to go back a couple of days and see how this all emerged. Perhaps you will see something I typed that led Liam to believe that I said everyone knew the song.

Posted by Dameon on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 16:06pm


Sorry, I was up at work all of last night (Friday night - FFS!) becuase some of the new recruits (absolute bunch of f*cking retards, to put it lightly) managed to f*ck up, so I'm not functioning properly.

I thought I read something about 'everyone knowing Baba o'Riley' but cannot find it now, so either I'm not looking hard enough or it wasn't actually there.

But, again, Starr, if someone isn't being litreal about something, then they could quite easily put the effort of typing "pretty much everyone" (two extra words - toughie!) rather than just "everyone" - to not do so implies either utter laziness or the inability to articulate one's self.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 16:22pm


Good point Liam, but he didn't so you just have to go with common sense. Anyway - I think this conversation is getting old. BTW, what do you do for a living? I could not follow what you were talking about.

Posted by Starr on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 16:27pm


I work at this place called B&Q (I don't think they're in the US). It's sort of a warehouse/DIY shop (they sell all that stuff). It's all over the country.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 16:33pm


Although, I must add that it's not a permanent career path, just a way of keeping up with University cotss.

Posted by Liam on Saturday, 04.5.08 @ 16:40pm


"Even if they hate the group or song, they know it."

That's what gave me the wrong impression. I wasn't dreaming.

Was gonna go down to the anti-China protests on today, but it's all gotten way out of hand, what with people actually trying to grab the Olympic Torch (and failing).

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 07:49am


"Even if they hate the group or song, they know it."

That's what gave me the wrong impression. I wasn't dreaming. - Liam

You somehow got the impression from that line that I was inferring that everyone knew the song and the band? Liam, although I think you may be hard-ass and close-minded in your opinions, I always give you the respect of someone who is intelligent. Please don't insult mine with comments like this.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 09:19am


Guess you missed the part where I got absolutely no sleep the night before.

Wanna explain how I'm a "hard-ass and close-minded"?

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 09:22am


I read that, but it has nothing to do with this most recent comment. You just inferred that you based your last arguement on a comment that would not lead anyone to believe that I meant "everyone".

"Hard-ass and close minded"? Just take a real look at this last arguement between us and you will understand why. Remember, 'famous' has nothing to do with influence, innovation, talent or anything else. Trying to say that anything Kraftwerk has done is more famous than anything from what is considered the best musical work by one of the most famous RnR bands to ever grace the stage and studio seems pretty hard-ass to me. And to continue to argue the point even though I presented an opinion based on very good circumstantial evidence which you had no rebuttal for leads me to believe that you continued the arguement because you are close-minded to opinions which are outside your own.

Personally, I don't have a problem with you. You are probably a good young man who is passionate about what he loves.

And don't work to hard - life is for living. Good luck with your studies at the University.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 10:24am


But really, Dameon, "The Model" IS famous, at least over here!!! Listen to it, and you'll recognize it straight away!! It's not like I was saying "Metal On Metal" was famous, because it's not, but "The Model" really IS!

"She's the model, and she's look-ing good"



Thanks, and I try not to over-stretch myself whenever possible, but I'm 'responsible' for these incompetent new guys, so whenever they mess up, I get some of the blame.

Posted by Liam on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 10:31am


Liam - I am quite familiar with the work of Kraftwerk and I know "The Model" very well. I believe they should get into the Hall, although I doubt they will. And I know that certain things especially when concerning music are viewed differently in Europe than here. If you check back in the comments, you will see that the music from "Who's Next" is now used on a few very popular American TV shows. As commercial as that may be, it exposes songs like "Baba O'Riley" and "Won't Get Fooled Again" to a whole new audience. And once in syndication, these TV programs are transmitted across the entire free world, exposing the music to an even larger audience. Which is why I used the word famous to begin with. As popular as the Model is in Europe and the US, it pales in numbers worldwide when compared to the music from "Who's Next". And that is the point I was trying to make from the beginning. I was not trying to diminish the importance of the music of Kraftwerk.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 04.6.08 @ 10:50am


About synth riffs I would add Jump by Van Halen, I think everybody knows this song too

Posted by roméo on Wednesday, 06.18.08 @ 11:13am


What the hell is going on here?

Talking stuff that has nothing to do your the band EUROPE.

They are a great and hard working rock band.

They released their first album when they were about 17-18 years old in 1983 and then another one in 1984.

Both these albuns were very heavey being tagged as progressive rock and heavy metal influenced.

Europe (1983)
Wings Of Tomorrow (1984)

Listen to "Scream Of Anger", "Wasted Time", "Seven Doors Hotel", "In The Future To Come", "Dance The Night Away" , "Paradise Bay", "Memories", "Lyin' Eyes", "Treated Bad Again" and "Stormwind".

This list are some strong songs from the first two albums.

You'll have you ass kicked with this power and energy. These songs have 0% to do with "THe Final Countdown" it's a 180º turn compared to that.

Now let's talk about The Final Countdown album, their 3rd one from 1986.

It has other heavy songs better than "The Final Countdown" itself like "Cherokee", "Rock The Night", "Ninja", "Heart Of Stone" and "On The Loose".

On the follow-up "Out Of This World" from 1988 they had great songs like "Superstitous", "Let The Good Times Rock", "Ready Or Not" and "Tower's Callin'".

They last album before they reunited in 2003 was "Prisoners in Paradise" from 1991 which has cool songs like "Halfway To Heaven", "All Or Nothing", "Seventh Sign", "Prisoners in Paradise", "Bad Blood" and "Girl From Lebanon".

Reuniting in 2003, they released their comeback album in 2004 "Start From The Dark" on which there's some killers like "Start From The Dark", "Flames", "Got To Have Faith", "Hero", "Wake Up Call", "America", "Sucker" and "Settle For Love".

As they aren't a band that reunites to paly old glories, they prooved to be back for good and released a 2nd album since their reunion making it their 7th studio album "Secret Society".

This new album rock even more than it's predecessor with great songs like "Always The Pretenders", "Let The Children Play", "Love Is Not The Enemy", "The Getaway Plan", "Devil Sings The Blues", "Forever Travelling", "Brave And Beautiful Soul" and "A Mother's Son".

The band's official website is: http://www.europetheband.com

My opinnion is that they should be nominated for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

Posted by Rodrigo Silva on Thursday, 08.14.08 @ 15:13pm


I don't care what they did before, during or after; they released perhaps the worst song of all time "Final Countdown". If that song comes on the radio, internet or TV, I cannot get to the mute button fast enough.

I would rather drink a bottle of cod liver oil before listening to this song.

No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No!!

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 08.14.08 @ 15:23pm


Dameon, you may not like Europe and that's fine. But they're "the worst band" according to you only. Everybody has their "worst bands ever list" I'm not saying Europe was good. But I can name a hundred bands worse than Europe. Besides, it seems you only have a problem with "The Final Countdown" not Europe's other stuff. Here's something worth mentioning, I love virtually all of Bobby Darin's music. However, I CAN'T STAND "Mack the Knife."

Posted by Mr. Octagon on Saturday, 12.6.08 @ 20:43pm


Mr. Octagon - I only mention "Final Countdown", because I don't feel like developing Carpal Tunnel by typing everyone of their crap songs. As to them being the worst band - of course that is just my opinion. THey are one of the 80's band who turned that scene into pablum.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 12.7.08 @ 07:08am


Dameon...I'm good as can be! Season's Greetings and a Cool Yule to ya!! I actually heard a band in a nightclub here in Denver during the 70's that might have been worse than Europe...can't remember their name. The 80's "hair metal" scene...with few exceptions...is starting to slowly fade from memory. It did leave us with some very good guitarists, though...Zakk Wylde, George Lynch, Mark Kendall (his work on "Rock Me" still sticks out...at least I THINK it was him...LOL!!!!), etc... I hate to use the term "bubble-gum metal" (another new sub genre for ya), but a lot of it turned into just that.

I am noticing that there are a few good guitarists that are starting to stick out, though. Lead singers have always been a dime a dozen and the ruin of many a good band (unless your last name is Presley, Mercury, Plant, etc..., it's highly unlikely that your vocals can carry a band). The funny thing about that is Freddy and Robert never put themselves before their band...what a concept!!! It's something that a certain screeching hag named Axl Rose should learn...

Posted by Gitarzan on Sunday, 12.7.08 @ 07:52am


The "hair band" scene is such an interesting time. As much as much of it was reprocessed crap, the musicianship was outstanding. And you are right about the guitarists. To add to your list, I suggest listening to the guitarist that replaced Randy Rhoades. His name was Jake E. Lee and he formed a great band called "Badlands". Reb Beach who I believe is now touring with Dokken is also a great guitarist. He was originally in Winger. My favorite's are still Phil Collen and Steve Clark from Def Lep. They played off each other and just came up with some outstanding music. Also, listen to the guitar work in White Lion, Warren DiMartini of Ratt and Traci Guns from LA Guns.

As for singers, it is hard to follow in the footsteps of Freddie, Robert and Roger.

Posted by Dameon on Sunday, 12.7.08 @ 09:14am


Greatest Swedish band ever: ABBA. They were more succesful, more popular, more critical acclaimed, more influential and more significant to the history of music than Europe ever was.

Posted by The Claw on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 02:38am


so does your mom! Final Countodwon, Rock the Night, Supersitious, Carrie are ROCK CLASSICS!

Posted by Hairmetal99 on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 10:40am


Final Countdown is my wedding song! Hell yes.

Posted by Worm on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 10:57am


My second favorite band after Poison! I've been to their concert in Gotheburg recently, about 15000 people were there! freakin awesome show!

Posted by Wait and Bleed on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 18:04pm


Hey Hair Metal - if you think for one minute that those songs are rock classics, then you should remove the term 'metal' from your name because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

And a piece of advice, never comment on someone's Mama; it lacks class and intelligence.

I will say this again, Europe along with Warrant, Nelson and a few others killed the 80's Hard Rock scene. Even Bon Jovi was better than them and that is scary.

Hell, even Journey was heavier than Europe.

And Worm, 'Is This Love' by Whitesnake was mine, but you won't hear me screaming about how great W.S. was.

Posted by Dameon on Thursday, 12.11.08 @ 19:49pm


Worm, "The Final Countdown" is your wedding song? Did you think about the irony beforehand?

Posted by Metalsmith on Friday, 12.12.08 @ 20:52pm


One Final Countdown should give them a spot in the hall!

Posted by Child in Time 27 on Saturday, 12.20.08 @ 19:19pm


Hey liam

puke, oh pardon, PULP - SUCKS! EUROPE ROCKS!

Posted by MadeinEngland on Sunday, 12.28.08 @ 03:58am


Europe is a great band. "The Final Countdown" is a great song, I've never heard anyone complain about "The Final Countdown" or Europe before seeing Dameon's comments on here. But the greatest Swedish rock band will always be Kaipa. KAIPA.

P.S. How would you know what cod liver oil tastes like?

Posted by Kaipa777 on Sunday, 12.28.08 @ 18:45pm


It's the FINAL COUNTDOWN!
Da-da-da da, da-da-da da-da

Posted by Mike on Wednesday, 03.25.09 @ 17:32pm


YESSSS!!! I LOVE EUROPE

IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN

WERE HEADED TO VENUS CUZ MAYBE THEYVE SEEN US

Posted by OKTOBERFEST on Tuesday, 06.9.09 @ 17:51pm


Europe, as far as i am concerned just another 80s hair band. awesome, but they need to get in line.

Posted by Justin on Tuesday, 06.30.09 @ 01:15am


I inducted Europe into the Future Rock Hall. Can Dameon please keep his horrible opinions to himself/herself

Posted by Aishah Bowron on Saturday, 09.5.09 @ 04:43am


Ok Aishah, but if Dameon shuts up, you'll have to listen to me talk about how much I hate Europe. Ugh, they're awful.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 09.5.09 @ 07:26am


I actually don't mind Europe that much. Obviously I don't think they should get into the RRHOF but I'm going to save my anger towards other bands/artists/acts who deserve my anger more than Europe lol

Posted by Keebord on Saturday, 09.5.09 @ 07:30am


These guys DEFINITELY deserve in! They may have not been very influential, but they are underrated as hell. Songs like "Halfway To Heaven" and "Open Your Heart" get no recognition when they truly deserve it. They also have one of the best and most talented guitarists ever. If ya don't believe me go listen to the solo in superstitious.

Posted by Dustin on Friday, 09.18.09 @ 21:54pm


John Norum may be a good guitarist but it's entirely your opinion that he's "one of the best" or "one of the most talented guitarists ever"

Posted by Keebord on Friday, 09.18.09 @ 22:10pm


Oh man those Swedish boys know how to rock! I've seen them back on their Final Countdown tour in the US, then saw them during their millennium performance and then once more in Germany. They are one of the best rock bands Europe (no pun intended) ever had And they definitely deserve induction for influencing many people in the world and many musicians too! WIG WAM, LORDI, DIET, Endeverafter, Hammerfall, In Flames, Norther and many others cite them as influence, so they definitely deserve induction!

'ROCK THE NIGHT!'

Posted by Matthew on Thursday, 12.24.09 @ 20:16pm


The best band to ever come from Sweden! Abba is a real disgrace to our country/culture/music etc
Abba has no right to be in the rock hall, NO RIGHT!

oh and I know those post are old, but LIAM:

Pull your head out of your butt, and stop saying that Common People has a good riff! It is boring, like anything else Jarvis 'a false intellectual' Cocker has ever done!

After Deep Purple, Rainbow, DIO, ELP, ELO, YES, Rush, Dire Straits, Moody Blues, Procol Harum, Helloween, Accept and Whitesnake are inducted Europe should also be in!

Posted by Made in Sweden on Thursday, 12.24.09 @ 20:25pm


Europe and few other catz r da only rock shizzle dat me and ma homiez listn!

Final Countdown #ucken owns mang

Posted by Masta Ace on Thursday, 12.24.09 @ 20:52pm


no, i hate the smell of cheese

Posted by bobsaget on Sunday, 03.14.10 @ 17:33pm


They were THE BIG DEAL here in Southamerica. Not only "The Final Countdown" and "Carrie".

Posted by BulmaPunkRocker on Sunday, 07.6.14 @ 22:35pm


NO to Europe RRHOF. Not enough musical excellence or volume of greatness. Great you mentioned Jake E Lee and Badlands, Dameon. I am a big fan of Jake E Lee and the Badlands song Dreams In The Dark. Europe's career was like a comet with The Final Countdown. Never liked Europe's music. Preferred Dokken and White Lion. KING

Posted by KING on Tuesday, 06.2.15 @ 04:33am


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