Bachman-Turner Overdrive

Not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Eligible since: 1999

First Recording: 1973

Previously Considered? No  what's this?

Bachman-Turner Overdrive
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Essential Songs (?)WikipediaYouTube
Takin' Care of Business (1973)
Let It Ride (1973)
You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet (1974)
Roll On Down the Highway (1974)

Bachman-Turner Overdrive @ Wikipedia

Will Bachman-Turner Overdrive be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
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http://canadianmusichalloffame.ca

2014 Canadian Music Hall of Fame inductees

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 04/26/2014 @ 20:47pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TK97MzLAmg

Bachman-Turner Overdrive 2014 Canadian Music Hall of Fame induction speech

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 04/26/2014 @ 21:09pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TK97MzLAmg

Bachman-Turner Overdrive 2014 Canadian Music Hall of Fame induction speech

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 04/26/2014 @ 21:12pm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3sxMnfXl-U

The Sheepdogs perform for BTO at 2014 JUNO/CMHOF induction

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 04/26/2014 @ 21:17pm


The 2014 Canadian Music Hall of Fame Inductees

Bachman-Turner Overdrive

01. Randy Bachman (vocals, guitar; The Guess Who)
02. Robbie Bachman (drums)
03. Blair Thornton (guitar)
04. Fred Turner (vocals, bass guitar)

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 04/26/2014 @ 21:35pm


Randy Bachman becomes the first two-time inductee into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame:

01. The Guess Who (1987)
02. Bachman-Turner Overdrive (2014)

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 04/26/2014 @ 21:38pm


They were good but not great. Two songs were rock anthems, but in terms of style, they just weren't that original or influential. I really like the band, my own band has covered "Takin' Care of Business", but as far as their being HOF caliber, I don't think so. Then again, I said that about Heart once, too, so who knows?.

Posted by Michael McNeely on Tuesday, 07/17/2018 @ 15:28pm


Do not meet the criteria for induction.
Won’t happen

Posted by Mark on Thursday, 07/19/2018 @ 19:16pm


BTO, one of the big three Canadian artist of the 70s does not meet induction criteria????

Mark it will happen - BTO plus several other deserving but bypassed will be inducted within 5 years - 7 at the most.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 07/22/2018 @ 17:43pm


BTO didn’t made enough impact and influences to meet the Hall’s criteria, but I felt Mark is so wrong about Thin Lizzy though; much more influential than these guys.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 07/22/2018 @ 18:43pm


The Dude

Thin Lizzy did not have enough relevant songs to make an impact. Read up on what artist say about too many 1 hit wonders in the hall.

Fred Turner's rock and roll growl had impact

Randy Bachman was also in the Guess Who, also one of the big three Canadian 70's artist. How many hits did the Guess Who have after RB left them? That says something.

Think of what effect Journey having 2 members of Santana in getting enough votes for induction.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 07/22/2018 @ 19:00pm


I think Journey and Santana are a different story; both of them made enough impact and influences to get an induction before most of the 70's bands we have left so far, and their massive commercial success also made a big difference for them too. BTO did influenced some names like Van Halen, Foreigner, and even Toby Keith - but they just don't have enough to get in.

Just because radio stations only play one song by TL, doesn't mean they're a "one-hit wonder." A lot - mostly hard rock and metal - bands cited them as one of their influences including Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Alice In Chains, Metallica, Megadeth, Motorhead, Dragonforce, Sex Pistols, and even Ireland's other important band, U2.

Deep Purple always get that mistreatment cause of that term and they're in thanks to their impact and legacy.

Posted by The Dude on Sunday, 07/22/2018 @ 20:46pm


the Dude

The Guess Who is considered an influence by nearly every Canadian rock artist. Both bands are in the Canadian Music Hall of Fame.

BTO has played with Van Halen and has a connection to Neil Young. Randy Bachman worked in the studio with several artist. Stephen King based his pen name on the band. they or their songs have been featured in movies and tv shows.

Nobody I knew was into TL - nobody.

BTO was looked on as an extension of the Guess Who.

I tell you BTO will get the votes. I do not see this with TL - they just were not important enough and influence on punk and metal will not help them. It does not carry the same weight as rock influence.

Posted by Zuzu on Sunday, 07/22/2018 @ 21:35pm


BTO extremely unlikely to receive a nomination.
Guess Who may eventually receive a nomination, but that too, is very unlikely...
There is a large backlog of more deserving acts that are HOF quality and meet criteria for a nomination and possible induction.

Posted by Mark on Monday, 07/23/2018 @ 22:47pm


Who do you think is more deserving?

They are both important 70's artist and are 2 out of 3 of the big Canadian artist from the 70's. The third is Gordon Lightfoot. They need to start nominating the acts from the 70s that were important and these 3 are in that group. Both make the list on the 60s blog along with Paul Anka instead of Gordon Lightfoot but it is a60s blog

Posted by Zuzu on Monday, 07/23/2018 @ 23:13pm


Lightfoot of the three mentioned deserves induction.
Cat Stevens, James Taylor made the cut.
So should Lightfoot.

Posted by Mark on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 09:36am


Mark

I will ask again. Who do you think is more deserving than the Guess Who and BTO?

We need some representation of the 70s - the Rock decade. There has been very little nomination of 70s artist. They have only recently inducted Chicago. We need to have the other important artist of this decade inducted. 60s has beens and 80s want to be's do not the 70s make.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 09:51am


Zulu,
From that basic time period of Guess Who and BTO, some of the following acts are more deserving
Todd Rundgren
Warren Zevon
Carly Simon
Kool and the Gang
War
Little Feat
Joe Cocker
Gil Scott Heron

Posted by Mark on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 11:35am


Todd Rundgren does have some support. If all 3 three were noms at the same time unless there was a ballot filled with top tier artist, all 3 would probably get inducted. If it was a loaded ballot as they should be, I feel TD would be the one that doesn't get inducted

Warren Zevon - 1 hit wonder and under no circumstances did he have a major effect on rock or the 70s

Carly Simon - she had some hits but she does not come near the level of Judy Collins, Melanie, Helen Reddy, Janis Ian or Emmylou Harris. Add to that the woman needs to find an analyst that will help her come to terms with what happened to her,

Kool and the Gang - I do not see them getting the votes. Commodores - maybe but even they would not get the votes if Lionel Ritchie got inducted as an individual

War - they have been nominated 3 times. To me that says that the voting body does not think they are that important.

Little Feat - Hell no - they were not influential. They would never stand up against the likes of Patsy Cline, Willie Nelson, Emmylou Harris, David Allen Coe, Waylon Jennings, Kris Kristofferson, Waylon Jennings, Mel Tillis, Bobby Gentry,
Dottie West, and Kenny Rogers. And, this is not including folk artistI that fused rock and country elements.

Joe Cocker - He may have some support but I do not see him getting votes. The main body of his work consists of songs that were not only not written by him but were covers of songs that other artist had hits with. Compare You are So Beautiful to Chicago's Colour My World and John Denver's Annie's Song and you will see that it does not come close to comparing

Gil Scott Heron - important to Hip Hip but to Rock and Roll??? You really need to look into what artist in the voting body are saying. Somebody like TLC I could see but not him.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 12:49pm


ZUZU

REPRESENTATION@!!!!????

Within the last three years, we've seen enough artists that either debuted or were big in the '70s inducted to sink a battleship!

2018 - The Moody Blues, The Cars and Dire Straits
2017 - Yes, ELO and Journey
2016 - Deep Purple, Cheap Trick, Steve Miller and Chicago

Posted by Nicky Joe on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 15:07pm


Like it or not, we’ll be seeing more bands who either went big in a way or debuted in the ‘70’s. BTO won’t get in, but these guys will next year.

2019: The Doobie Brothers, Jethro Tull, and Def Leppard (Yep, they’re first release came out in ‘79)

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 15:25pm


Lay off the crack, Zuzu!

Dude- 1 of those 3 mid-level bands will make it in '19 at most... #enoughclassiccrockalready

Posted by KXB on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 15:49pm


KXB

Where were you in the 70s?

How old were you in the 70s?

Were you even born yet?I am not talking about classic rock but real rock and if you put down the crack pipe you might actually see what is going on. There is actually very little rock inducted in the hall. Actual rock and not metal, prog, glam or punk which is not rock. Some may fuse some rock elements enough to pass but that still does not make it rock. Where is the folk and country fusion artist? This is actually a part of rock.

KXB why don't you tell which artist from the 70s that haven't been inducted are more import?


Again I repeat the 70s were pretty much passed over.

Start talking to people who were in their teens or early 20s during the 70s and see what they say. start looking at what the artist are saying. The hall has 5 maybe 7 years to set things right or it's going to all blow up in their faces.

all the # comments in the world are not going to change this.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 16:19pm


@ Zuzu

KXB always throws things out like a ten-year-old; it’s nothing new.

Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 16:35pm


@ the Dude

Thank you

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 17:59pm


@Nicky Joe

Did you read what I wrote?

What part of 70s not 80s rock did you miss?

What part of actual rock not prog not metal not punk not glam did you miss?

Cars Dire
straits and Cheap Trick are 80s

Moody Blues, Yes and Deep Purple were not big sellers in the 70s

It took them 22 years to nominate the biggest selling rock act of the 70s - THERE WAS NO EXCUSE!!!!

slipping in 80s artist because they had a recording early should not have happened.

I want to know where some of these artist got the votes. Not sure if they are the same ones but several artist want a open process so they apparently do not trust the vote totals. Go and check what some of the artist are saying.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 18:15pm


Def Leppard was an 80s band. That is when they were big,

Jethro Tull was not that big in the 70s. only a couple of the Brits were. Most had a hit or 2 and pretty much fizzled out. The Beatles got more airplay than all the other Brits combined. Between about 5 stations there was at least 1 Beatles week-end every month. That was all the station played that week end.

Doobies were semi big. There was also Grand Funk,Three Dog Night, REO and Styx. Styx has a huge hometown following. I have recently bumped into 2 different people that were from their neighborhood and remembered them from when they were playing the high schools.

Don't forget the lighter sid and folk and country. Kenny Rogers and the 1st Edition were getting quite a bit of airplay from the late 60s to the early 70s. Country artist like Kris Kristofferson and Jerry Reed were also acting. What about folk like Judy Collins, Melanie, Gordon LIghtfoot' Artist like Jimmy Buffet and Steve Goodman were big in an underground sort of way.

You have to look at what Boomers thought of their music. It is a very different perspective from Gen x and Millenials.

Posted by Zuzu on Tuesday, 07/24/2018 @ 19:17pm


"It took them 22 years to nominate the biggest selling rock act of the 70s - THERE WAS NO EXCUSE!!!!"

Actually, Elton John was inducted his first year of eligibility, thank you very much.

"Rock act" =/= "band"

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 00:59am


I don't think that this specific band would mind that there was no excuse. They understand that it is hard to say I'm sorry.

Ba dum tss!

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 03:23am


Philip check your figures again.

look at singles and albums combined

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 07:11am


Obviously you do not read much claw and you don't get messages

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 07:33am


Zuzu, this one is for you:

Definition of joke
1 a : something said or done to provoke laughter; especially : a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist
b (1) : the humorous or ridiculous element in something (2) : an instance of jesting : kidding can't take a joke
c : practical joke
d : laughingstock
2 : something not to be taken seriously : a trifling matter
consider his skiing a joke —Harold Callender
—often used in negative constructions it is no joke to be lost in the desert

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 08:40am


I can also explain the joke, if you wish. What was the name of Chicago's #1 hit in 1982?

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 08:44am


Maybe you should reread what you wrote Don't Worry Be Happy!?



Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 08:53am


I am sorry, but that is a #1 hit for Bobby McFerrin in 1988. You may guess again, though.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 08:55am


Well since your mama never taught you I guess I have to come out and explain it to you. You do not make fun of something that somebody considers a problem. It is meant to belittle. Did I miss the inference or did you not ridicule what I said and what did you expect in response.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 09:02am


My mama did tell me this, but my daddy taught me to never pass up the opportunity to make a pun, even if it is a lame one. But you obviously don't care about dad jokes.

The only response that I was expecting, was a "Claw, thanks for this small interlude with which you brought a bit of lightness in this discussion. I now realize that I am taking this way too seriously and won't from now on take everything so personally". And I was expecting that somebody also would write a response in which a connection would have been made to the Elton John classic "Sorry Seems to Be the Hardest Word". Or I also wouldn't have minded if it was ignored, like you should always do with an annoying clown. That was also something that my mother taught me, by the way.

But please continue with the discussion.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 10:37am


The_Claw, thanks for trying. When it comes to anything Chicago-related, Zuzu has no sense of humor, unless the joke's made by another Chicagoan.

Zuzu, my advice is that you do the same as you've asked me to. And make sure it's for more than just the Chicago market. I've got Elton John ahead in both columns.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 21:45pm


Philip

I have some advice for both of you - what goes around comes around. One day somebody you don't want to know how you act will see what you write and they will recognize you.

What did Sherri say to you?Ah but You turn things around

She hasn't dealt with you as long as I have.

you also throw sheet against the wall to see what sticks

You have a chauvinistic attitude. You put women down or talk down to them.

You use your opinion as if it was fact.


Did you even look it up or did you slip shod search and ended up pulling up the wrong figures just like you did with the term dusties. Maybe you were looking at the UK figures.

Posted by Zuzu on Wednesday, 07/25/2018 @ 23:30pm


Zuzu,

I have made a lot more friends than I have enemies through online discussions. These are friendships that have lasted over fifteen years. People I have subsequently met in real life, spent entire weekends hanging out with, drinking with, swapping jokes and stories, playing Cards Against Humanity with, spent time with at an urgent care clinic, and have even been blessed enough to attend one of their weddings. And they do include a good number of women, too. NONE of them would describe me as chauvinistic, including former girlfriends (whom I'm still friends with). Again, these are folks who DO know me in real life.

And quite frankly you're just as guilty, if not more so of using your opinion as if it was fact. I've disproved your arguments, dismantled them with actual examples, and you still cling to the fallacious, myopic assertions. My problem is not with women.

Nor is it with people who have autism. What happened in that ordeal has absolutely no bearing on this discussion.

And this discussion wouldn't even be in this place right now if you actually shared your research either, the actual figures. But I would also say that concert sales matter too in terms of determining "biggest selling rock act." I suspect that would skew very heavily in favor of Elvis Presley with his regular Vegas performances, if those were allowed to count. I'm willing to review your data and figures if you cared to share. And while I wasn't using UK figures, I'd say why shouldn't that data count too?

That above paragraph is the discussion we COULD be having, but no, rather than share your information, you go for ad hominem attacks instead. Not that I'm completely innocent either, but I'm not making completely defamatory accusations either.

As I've said, in my nearly two decades of active participation in online communities, I've made many more friends, REAL friends mind you, than enemies. I truly hope you can say the same.

Now, would you care to share some numbers?

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 07/26/2018 @ 00:17am


Philip

Your problem is with women. Plain and simple.

I bet you looked myopic up - now didn't you?

I am guilty? DO NOT PUT YOUR PROBLEMS ON ME! You started it with your BS about Chicago not having the highest record sales. I am not your g d secretary. What figures did you have that says I am wrong? And for the record you came up with made up nonsense and did not prove me wrong.

Do not even try to cover your tracks. You did not invoke a conversation. You tried to put me down.

How many women friends do you have on this site? How many women are even on here? Enemies? or people who disagreed with you that you and your bully squad ran off. You have tried this on me and I have seen you do it to other people.

I have been seriously ill and I do not have the energy - I do not time to run around proving things to you.

Posted by Zuzu on Thursday, 07/26/2018 @ 02:17am


"... the woman needs to find an analyst that will help her come to terms with what happened to her" - Zuzu

That woman is you, Zuzu. Do it before it's too late.

Posted by joker on Thursday, 07/26/2018 @ 05:01am


Just want to say I enjoy having Philip here & like reading his opinions/remarks.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 07/26/2018 @ 11:25am


Zuzu, I am sorry to hear that you've been ill. Hope you're feeling better.

But for the record, YOU started it. Not me. YOU made the claim that Chicago was the biggest selling rock act of the '70's. That is YOUR claim, and you made it FIRST. You may not be my administrative assistant, but in any debate, including a court of law, if you make a claim, you have the burden of proof. As the initial claim was made by you, as the initial claim is that Chicago was the biggest selling rock act of the '70's, it is incumbent upon you to provide the evidence first. So if you're not going to provide the data on which you stake your claim, I am left to conclude that when you accuse me of coming up with made-up nonsense, you are projecting upon me because you yourself have no actual numbers or figures to back up your claim.

I'm not responsible for running any women on this site, ftr. And I have no problem with women; in fact, I've been vocal about getting more women and minorities inducted into the Hall. From the Chantels and the Marvelettes to Pat Benatar, Whitney Houston, and Mariah Carey, I'm all for inducting more women. I don't advocate or support every female musician that is/was famous, but not supporting a Barbra Streisand nomination doesn't make a person misogynistic.

Again, I hope you're feeling better. And I'm perfectly content to wait until you feel strong and energized enough to provide the figures that support your claim. Right now, my sources list Chicago fifth in both albums and singles during the '70s; however, the only artist that is above Chicago in both categories is Elton John, finishing first in both categories. I do not at this time have concert sales information.

And P.S., myopic is a fairly common word. It was used to great extent during the previous political cycle, and is a favorite word in our office to describe management.

Get well soon!

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 07/26/2018 @ 13:19pm


*running off any women

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 07/26/2018 @ 13:22pm


The 1970s: Elton John and Chicago

I don't have the latest Billboard books with me right now, but yes, Elton John was the number 1 charting solo artist (and artist period!) on the Billboard 200 Albums Chart in the 1970, and Chicago was the number 1 charting band on the Billboard 200 Albums Chart, but they were not number 2 behind Elton John. There were a few other solo artists in between Elton John and Chicago.

On the Billboard Top 40 Albums Chart though, Elton John was number 1 and yes, Chicago is actually number 2, right behind Elton John for the 1970s.

Joel Whitburn gave up on the Billboard Top 40 Albums Chart. The last edition of the book was published in 1994.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 07/26/2018 @ 16:16pm


Rolling Stone gave all Bachman-Turner Overdrive albums 2 out of 5 stars.

Posted by Roy on Thursday, 07/26/2018 @ 16:22pm


Thanks Roy. After my last post, it occurred to me that we should ask you to weigh in. You're a pretty avid fan of both acts, and if anyone would have the numbers, it'd be you.

Posted by Philip on Thursday, 07/26/2018 @ 18:22pm


Philip

you started it once again when you jumped on what I said. You have done this to me several times. You throw sheet at the wall and stand back to see what sticks. And like others have told you twist what is said into something else.

1 I am 60 years old (almost) I lived this era. I know what I have seen and heard. You read something and it makes you feel good and when something comes along to destroy your pretty little image you jump and put it down. You were not there so how do you know that you were not lied to.

2 I am a woman and I am telling you that you have a sexist attitude. When you jump and your little buddies join in to bully somebody they do not come back and it keeps people from joining in.

3 I am giving you facts - when I give an opinion I tend to say I think. I am sorry you can not accept the facts.


Right now is as about as good as it is going get and eventually it will get worse again. How long I do not know and it is a take it one day at time.


Roy,

It was nice of you to pull out your book but I did not say "who charted the most". I said "record sales for the decade". I read another article listed most album sales for the 70s. It listed as best as I recall:

Frank Sinatra
Barbara Streisand
Elton John
Chicago

So Elton John beats Chicago in total Album sales alone.

Chicago come out ahead in singles and album and singles combined sales for the whole decade.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 07/27/2018 @ 17:27pm


@ Zuzu

Pretty interesting list:

"Here is the sum of all the value released by the artists during each decade. The figures are given in EAS (equivalent album sales)."

Some of the names you've mentioned have yet to be added cause their analysis has not been done yet.

1970s
1. Pink Floyd – 171,695,000
2. Eagles – 163,422,000
3. Led Zeppelin – 138,828,000
4. Elton John – 129,344,000
5. Abba – 125,972,000
6. Queen – 113,768,000
7. Bob Marley – 107,997,000
8. Bee Gees – 104,914,000
9. Fleetwood Mac – 95,398,000
10. Rolling Stones – 73,368,000
11. Billy Joel – 72,103,000
12. David Bowie – 68,914,000
13. AC/DC – 67,824,000
14. Aerosmith – 60,765,000
15. Barbra Streisand – 57,359,000

Nearly all of them on the list are HOF Inductees.

https://chartmasters.org/2017/10/cspc-most-successful-artists-ever-data-collector/22/

Posted by The Dude on Friday, 07/27/2018 @ 18:13pm


They deal with total sales from album or record release to latest available sales.

the sales I am talking about are only those that occurred only in the 70s.

I'm not sure how objective or subjective this site is. It would take a bit of work to check them out to see if they are.

What I would like to know is how did they count Chicago's double (4) and quadruple (1) albums.

Posted by Zuzu on Friday, 07/27/2018 @ 18:49pm


I feel like I should put my two cents here...

Bachman-Turner Overdrive is one of those that doesn't come to my mind when thinking of classic rock groups to put in the Rock Hall. That's just how I feel. I do however think the Guess Who deserves it more. A few good tunes that still get played on classic rock radio today, but nothing really innovative or original just like what almost everyone has pointed out. Its great they are in their home country's HOF; that should be good enough for most people.

I did go on Wikipedia to read up more about them, and under their "Impact and Influence" section there really isn't much, besides what Zuzu stated. Critics seem divided over their legacy. Time will tell if they will get in the Rock Hall.

Posted by Jason Voigt on Friday, 07/27/2018 @ 22:35pm


Zuzu,

I just responded to your claim about Chicago being the best selling act of the '70's. That's not jumping on you.

You may have lived through those years, and may be 60, but reading your past posts, I'd be very surprised to learn that you ever left the city of Chicago, let alone the state of Illinois. Your perspective has repeatedly been demonstrated to be very narrow, very limited. Obviously, I'm not your biographer, but that is the impression you give others on this forum and not just me.

You claim I'm sexist, but you're the only one who thinks so. I don't "gang up" with anybody. People here pretty much post as they will. But what you're really describing is "mob mentality" not sexism, and there is proof on this forum that men are not exempt from this treatment either. But I can assure you, there's no real intention of acting as a mob on this forum. It may seem that way sometimes, but there's no conspiracy.

You claim to give facts, but you don't give your sources, so why should I believe you? Because you're almost 60? Because you're a woman? Neither of those mean that I should automatically defer to you, especially when I've proven you wrong in the past. If it's a fact, back it up. I'm sorry you cannot accept having the burden of proof.

Now, ad hominem attacks aside, it would appear that you are referring to an article you read once, but can't find or recall. Unfortunately, this makes your claim even more dubious. Especially because you claim that Chicago beat Elton John in singles. Now, Joel Whitburn's points methodology may not be exactly the same as "number of units moved," but chart positions are based/influenced largely by sales. With 6 #1 hits to Chicago's 1, 16 Top 10 hits to Chicago's 12, 24 Top 40 hits during the 70's to Chicago's 21 (or 25 to 22 if you include non-charted B-sides). Now, Chicago did have more charted hits, but only by one, and given that Elton John tops Chicago in the higher echelons, that's a lot of ground to cover from a couple songs that charted in the lower reaches of the charts. Add to that, 13 of Elton John's 45's from the '70's have gone gold or platinum to Chicago's 3. Now, of course a single can reach gold or platinum plateau years after the fact; however, singles sales are a much more transient game than albums, which tend to continue to sell for years. Singles sales are much more short-lived and ephemeral. So to suggest that all 13 of Elton's gold records achieved that status over a decade later, I would call that highly unlikely. So, based on the data I do have, I think it calls your source into question.

Also, where was this article? Newspaper? Magazine? Internet? I'm not being snotty, I'm genuinely asking. I once read an online article claiming that Ringo Starr and Willie Nelson were "semi-finalists" for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame's Class Of 1999. But we now know that neither one was on the ballot, and according to FRL's info, Willie Nelson has never even been considered. So if this was an online article, I don't doubt that you read it, but the veracity of the article is suspect.

Also, do you think concert sales information should be included? Because that certainly contributes to how well-selling an artist can be said to be, i.e. a "hot ticket." And should European sales count?

Hope you get well soon. Obviously you don't have to share what your ailment is, but you're making it sound like it's either respiratory in nature, or possibly quite dire. Either way, hang in there. You may think I'm misogynistic prick, but I truly wish no malignancy upon you.

Posted by Philip on Saturday, 07/28/2018 @ 01:04am


JUST GET THE DOOBIE BROTHERS AND BTO IN 2 GREAT BANDS

Posted by RONNIE L AYERS on Friday, 01/10/2020 @ 15:47pm


BACHMAN TURNER OVERDRIVE HAD MANY TOP ALBUMS RANDY BACHMAN AS SONG WRITER GUITAREST WELL RESPECTED IN USA AND CANADA ALOT OF THE GROUPS IN ROCK AND ROLL HALL FAME SHOULD NOT BE IN RANDY BACHMAN OPEN THE DOOR FOR CANADA BANDS NEXT IN DONNY OSMOND FOR YOU GUYS WHAT A JOKE

Posted by john prudente on Thursday, 01/16/2020 @ 09:33am


Nothing wrong with Baby Boomer music uncultured swine.

Posted by Baby Boomer Fan on Wednesday, 02/5/2020 @ 12:37pm


Hell yes. BTO kicks ass!

Posted by JDL on Sunday, 08/8/2021 @ 17:34pm


BTO and the Guess Who should both be in . Lots of lesser groups have made in . Maybe because they are Canadian ? USA NUMBER 1 rah rah

Posted by Humpafew on Tuesday, 09/27/2022 @ 12:58pm


Rest in Peace Robbie Bachman, BTO drummer and younger brother of Randy Bachman, 1953-2023

Posted by Joe S. on Friday, 01/13/2023 @ 01:50am


Bachman-Turner Overdrive drummer, co-founder Robbie Bachman dead at 69
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/robbie-bachman-death-1.6713264

Posted by Roy on Saturday, 01/14/2023 @ 10:47am


BTO 5 US top 40 songs, 4 mores songs in the top 100. 4 Top 40 albums. Guns & Roses do not have 4 Top 40 albums. They probably do not have 5 US top 40 songs. Whats going on with BTO, Come on people.

Posted by C. Best on Monday, 02/20/2023 @ 07:04am


I simply can't believe that BTO and The Guess Who are not both in the Rock 'N Roll Hall of Fame! They should be inducted as soon as possible while Randy Bachman is still around and performing! Shame on the Hall of Fame! I'll not visit again until these bands are in there!

Posted by Ray Brown on Thursday, 02/23/2023 @ 14:58pm


I believe Bachman Turner overdrive and the Guess who will eventually get in, maybe not now but not soon. Probably 9 or 10 yrs

Posted by Steven Dwyer on Thursday, 03/30/2023 @ 01:56am


Rest in Peace Tim Bachman, BTO's guitarist and co-founder, 1951-2023.

Posted by Joe S. on Sunday, 04/30/2023 @ 16:15pm



RIP Tim Bachman

Posted by J.W. on Tuesday, 05/2/2023 @ 16:58pm


randy should be a double inductee!!

RIP tim Robbie bachman and Chad Allan, randy had some tough losses last year

Posted by will m on Thursday, 03/7/2024 @ 20:51pm


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