Rock Hall Projected

This is a continuation of the Rock Hall Revisited project, which looked back at the past 25 Rock Hall inductions. Rock Hall Projected picks up with the 2018 induction class and will vote on at least 15 future Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction classes. The voting rules will continue from Rock Hall Revisited. A spin-off project is ranking all of the performer inductees of both the Revisited and Projected classes.

Thanks again to Gassman (and others!) for organizing and moderating the voting.

Voting Results

2018PerformersBeck#, Del Shannon, Faith No More, Gene Pitney, LL Cool J, Radiohead, Rage Against The Machine
Non-PerformersEddie Kramer, Frank Barsalona
InfluencesEsther Phillips, The Dominoes
SidemenBobby Keys, John McLaughlin
2019PerformersCan, Journey, Lovin' Spoonful, Pavement, The Dead Kennedys, Warren Zevon, Whitney Houston
Non-PerformersRobert W. Pittman, Syd Nathan
InfluencesFreddie King, The Mills Brothers
SidemenBobby Womack, The Cookies/Raelettes
2020Performers"Weird Al" Yankovic, Massive Attack, Notorious B.I.G.#, Oasis#, Outkast#, The Marvelettes, Tool
Non-PerformersJim Marshall (photographer), Todd Rundgren
InfluencesCrew Cuts, Fela Kuti
SidemenCarol Kaye, Richard Thompson
2021PerformersBad Company, Björk, Brenda Lee, Eurythmics, Jay-Z#, Stone Temple Pilots, Weezer#
Non-PerformersDaniel Lanois, Timbaland
InfluencesEddie Lang, The Clovers
SidemenHubert Sumlin, Jesse Ed Davis
2022PerformersBon Jovi, Chic, Eminem#, Linda Ronstadt, Sparks, The Doobie Brothers, The Ventures
Non-PerformersBurt Bacharach and Hal David, Ed Sullivan
InfluencesChuck Willis, Dolly Parton
SidemenJim Gordon, Marc Benno
2023PerformersBlack Flag, Bonnie Raitt, Daft Punk#, Eric B. & Rakim, Peter, Paul & Mary, Silver Apples, The Stone Roses
Non-PerformersBob Geldof, Martin Hannett
InfluencesJohnny Ace, Merle Haggard
SidemenEric Johnson, Huey "Piano" Smith
2024PerformersMary Wells, My Bloody Valentine, Scott Walker, The Buzzcocks, The Flamingos, War, Wu-Tang Clan
Non-PerformersHilly Kristal, Joel Whitburn
InfluencesGil Scott-Heron, Lightnin' Hopkins
SidemenGary Chester, Jah Wobble
2025PerformersBarry White, Foo Fighters#, Jan & Dean, Little Anthony & the Imperials, Mötley Crüe, Slayer, White Stripes#
Non-PerformersAshford & Simpson, Joe Meek
InfluencesScott Joplin, W.C. Handy
SidemenChris Spedding, Sheila E.
2026PerformersColdplay#, INXS, Kate Bush, Megadeth, Procol Harum, X, XTC
Non-PerformersJim Marshall (Marshall Amps), Lew Chudd
InfluencesBuchanan & Goodman, George Jones
SidemenPaul Shaffer, The Bar-Kays
2027PerformersHarry Nilsson, Lloyd Price, Missy Elliott#, Steppenwolf, Television, The Flaming Lips, The Runaways
Non-PerformersJac Holzman, Ted Templeman
InfluencesBing Crosby, Emmylou Harris
SidemenDaryl Stuermer, Robert Wyatt
2028PerformersBelle & Sebastian#, Jim Croce, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, Pantera, The Specials, Tommy James and the Shondells, Wanda Jackson
Non-PerformersArt Rupe, Glyn Johns
InfluencesJacques Brel, Karlheinz Stockhausen
SidemenJack Nitzsche, Philip Paul
2029PerformersArcade Fire#, Kanye West#, Ozzy Osbourne, PJ Harvey, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Suicide, The Offspring
Non-PerformersLester Bangs, Sylvia Robinson
InfluencesPete Seeger, Townes Van Zandt
SidemenBilly Cox / Buddy Miles, Fred Wesley
2030PerformersBill Withers, Captain Beefheart, De La Soul, Fugazi, LCD Soundsystem#, Lou Reed, The Guess Who
Non-PerformersHipgnosis, Thom Bell
InfluencesJohn Cage, Lonnie Donegan
SidemenClarence Clemons, The Love Unlimited Orchestra
2031PerformersBauhaus, Dave Matthews Band#, Mariah Carey, Pat Benatar, The Chemical Brothers#, Three Dog Night, Wilco#
Non-PerformersButch Vig, Frankie Knuckles
InfluencesDizzy Gillespie, Tom Lehrer
SidemenRick Derringer, The J.B.'s
2032PerformersA Tribe Called Quest, Bad Brains, Beyoncé#, Carole King, Neu!, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Toots and the Maytals
Non-PerformersDanger Mouse, The Belleville Three
InfluencesCharlie Parker, Serge Gainsbourg
SidemenCarlos Alomar, Lisa Fischer
2033PerformersBrian Eno, George Michael, Queens of the Stone Age#, System of a Down#, The Commodores, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Tori Amos
Non-PerformersConny Plank, Jimmy Iovine
InfluencesGlenn Miller, Wendy Carlos
SidemenMartha Wash, MFSB
Orange names are not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
# = Not yet eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (as of 2013)

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Comments

434 comments so far (post your own)

For next year I'll go with for my

Performers
1 - Jeff Buckley
2 - Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
3 - Tori Amos
4 - The Small Faces
5 - Gorillaz
6 - The Strokes
7 - Gang of Four

Non-Performers
1 - Bob Ezrin
2 - Roy Thomas Baker

Influences
1 - Buddy Rich
2 - Gene Krupa

Sidemen
1 - Steve Morse
2 - The Del-Tones

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 05:35am


Interesting! A lot can happen between now and October, but if the vote were happening today, I'd probably go with:

1. The Commodores
2. Amy Winehouse
3. Brian Eno
4. Boston
5. TLC
6. The Pogues
7. Queens of the Stone Age (for Darren, if nothing else)

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 08:47am


Hopefully we don't forget about George Michael's unfortunate early passing by the time September/October rolls around.

AlexVoltaire: My ballot will probably be very close to yours. I'd probably go with Foreigner over Boston if we really need another Classic Rock pick (I'm not entirely sure we do). Boston to me is too much of a one album wonder, even if there was many studio innovations on that album. TLC is a great pick and very deserving. It's time we induct Queens of the Stone Age, I imagine it will be easier if there new album that should come out this year is as good as ...Like Clockwork. Brian Eno is my #1 snub at this moment. Too many amazing albums to not join the Neil Young Club (3 inductions - NP, Roxy Music, Solo). We are still pretty behind on Hip-Hop and I'm between Snoop Dogg and Nas for my vote this year. Not sure which way I'll go.

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 09:34am


I don't know how my ballot will look come September, but I can list all of the acts that I think are worthy of being inducted into our project. I can be swayed on an act that isn't listed here, and in fact I hope I am. I love coming across an act on here that I'm unfamiliar with and learning more of their work, and I'm always open to discussion. I'll break them down by genre.


Punk - The Damned, Minor Threat, the Misfits, Billy Idol, Discharge, Bikini Kill, Sleater-Kinney, Blink-182

(Potentially) - Richard Hell & the Voidoids, Fear, the Dead Boys


Alternative/Post-Punk - Wire, the Fall, Gang of Four, Dinosaur Jr., Tears for Fears, the Go-Go's, Echo & the Bunnymen

(Potentially) - Cabaret Voltaire, Throbbing Gristle

Classic Rock - The Sonics, Mott the Hoople, Slade, Blue Oyster Cult, Foreigner, Boston, Styx, Joe Cocker, Sweet, the Association, Grand Funk Railroad, Huey Lewis & the News, the J. Geils Band, Kansas, Herman's Hermits, the Grass Roots, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, Supertramp, Ringo Starr, Meat Loaf, George Thorogood & the Destroyers

(Potentially) - Hanoi Rocks


Metal - Anthrax, Dio, Korn, System of a Down

(Potentially) - Rob Zombie (or White Zombie?)


Hip Hop - Boogie Down Productions, Nas, Ice-T, Snoop Dogg, Cypress Hill, Salt-N-Pepa, Aesop Rock, the Fugees, Ice Cube, Queen Latifah

(Potentially) - Naughty By Nature, Whodini


R&B/Disco/Soul/Funk - The Moonglows, Ben E. King, the Dells, Kool & the Gang, the Commodores, the 5th Dimension, Chubby Checker, KC & the Sunshine Band, Lionel Richie (only after Commodores get in)

(Potentially) - Jerry Butler, Dionne Warwick, Brook Benton, the Shangri-Las, the Chiffons, the Chantals, the Crystals


Electronic/Krautrock - Aphex Twin, Moby, Fatboy Slim, the Orb, Underworld, 808 State, Orbital, the Prodigy, Popol Vuh, Pet Shop Boys, Crystal Method, Basement Jaxx, Animal Collective

(Potentially) - I was a HUGE pusher for Brian Eno as a performer during the Revisited project, but when he got in as NP instead, I let it fall by the wayside. I'm worried that since he, as an individual, is already in, he won't garner enough support and we'll miss an opportunity getting an electronic act in that cycle.)


Early Rock/Rockabilly - Neil Sedaka, Sonny & Cher, Lesley Gore, the Del-Vikings, Bobby Rydell, Petula Clark, Paul Anka, Jack Scott, Bobby Vee, Jay & the Americans, Tom Jones, Bobby Vinton, the Big Bopper, Johnny Rivers


Soft Rock/Singer-Songwriter - Bread, John Denver, Gordon Lightfoot, Dan Fogelberg, Elliott Smith, Ray Stevens, Don McLean, Carly Simon, Phil Collins, Cyndi Lauper, Regina Spektor, Sufjan Stevens


Modern Rock - Uncle Tupelo, Bush, No Doubt, Neutral Milk Hotel, Suede, Pulp, Goo Goo Dolls, the Cranberries, Alanis Morissette, the Killers, Lenny Kravitz, Gorillaz, the Black Keys

(Potentially) - Modest Mouse, the Strokes, Franz Ferdinand, Phish

This is the trickiest genre for me, since there are a LOT of modern rock bands that I'm open to, but I think they need to have more of a legacy, such as Mumford and Sons, among others. I haven't looked at the newly eligibles for this upcoming season.


Influences - The Andrews Sisters, the Dave Brubeck Quartet, Benny Goodman, Bix Beiderbecke, Fats Waller, Glenn Miller, Artie Shaw, Gene Autry, Vaughn Monroe, Count Basie, Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Chet Baker, Sonny Rollins, Sons of the Pioneers, Spike Jones, Wes Montgomery, Thelonious Monk, Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass, Charles Mingus, Tommy Dorsey, Allan Sherman, Les Brown, Jimmy Dorsey, Muggsy Spanier & His Ragtime Band, Stan Getz


Non-Performers - Pierre Schaeffer, Cousin Brucie, Howard Greenfield, Bert Berns, The Electrifying Mojo, Doctor Demento, Jim Steinman


Sidemen - "Daddy" Gene Barge, Davy Johnstone, Martha Wash
(I'm open to a lot of suggestions here too)


I realize that my picks are open to criticism ("HOW CAN YOU NOT HAVE ____, BUT YOU HAVE _____"). I'm open to discussion and would love to add names and have more to choose from. I try to have an open mind with every genre and every act.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 10:39am


Steve Z. -

Bert Berns was given the Lifetime Achievement Award earlier this year with the class of 2016, and Ringo received the Award for Musical Excellence in 2015.

Davy Johnstone is a terrific choice for sideman-love it!

Posted by Michelle on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 12:57pm


Some good sidemen include Jaco Pastorius, Steve Morse, The Del-Tones, His Ray Men, Rory Gallagher, Jennifer Batten, Cozy Powell, Spike Edney, Martha Wash and Jaz Coleman (if Killing Joke never gets the nod)

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 15:41pm


Also Killing Joke's bassist Martin "Youth" Glover deserves some recognition for his production work with a Non-Performer Award.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 15:46pm


Michelle -

I'm referring specifically to the inductees of our Rock Hall Revisited/Projected project. Every year around the time of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's nominee announcement, we vote on and induct artists into our own Hall of Fame. It's open to everyone, so stick around and join in, if you'd like!

Nicky Joe -

Those are great picks and there are some more that I have to look into. In regards to the Del-Tones and the Ray-Men, does anybody have any info as to who was in these bands? I've been trying to do research on them, but I can't find anywhere whom the individuals consisting of the Del-Tones or The Ray-Men were, which is why I've hesitated on voting for them in the past.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 15:52pm


I have a feeling most people have a clear idea who the important performers are, but the other categories are a bit more challenging, especially sidemen. I have therefore started with a search for some of most important non-performers and sidemen that we have forgotten, by looking at some of the greatest records of all time.

These two seminal figures I came across when I did more research on Little Richard's Tutti Frutti (1955).

For sideman: Alvin "Red" Tyler. Instrument: baritone saxophone. Alvin Tyler is one of the most important figures in the early days of rock 'n' roll. As part (and according to some sources, the leader) of Cosimo Matassa's Studio Band, you can hear him playing on most Little Richard songs, Tutti Frutti, Good Golly Miss Molly, Long Tall Sally, but he also performed with some of the greatest of the New Orleans R&B, Dave Bartholomew, Fats Domino (his first recording was on "The Fat Man"), Lloyd Price, Allen Toussaint, Dr. John, Lee Dorsey. In those recordings, he often acted as the arranger as well. Later, he became the A&R man of Ace Records, overseeing sessions with Huey "Piano" Smith, Frankie Ford and Jimmy Clanton, and in the 1960s, he briefly recorded with Sam Cooke on the West Coast, but returned to New Orleans to become a partner at Parlo Records. Biggest hit: Tell It Like It Is by Aaron Neville. He later ventured more into jazz, his first love, but he regularly performed with other New Orleans musicians like Earl Palmer, Allen Toussaint and Lee Allen.

For non-performer, I recommend Robert "Bumps" Blackwell. Blackwell is a producer, arranger and songwriter, best known for launching the career of both Little Richard and Sam Cooke. In the late 1940s, he was a bandleader of jazz band which members included Ray Charles and Quincy Jones. In the early 1950s, Art Rupe hired him for Specialty Records as an arranger. In this capacity, he was the person who guided Little Richard through his first recording sessions at Cosimo Matassa's J&M Studio and insisted that he recorded a song from his act called "Tutti Frutti, Good Booty". That song became Richard's big breakthrough. After this, he produced all Little Richard's hit songs and became his manager until he left music. In 1956, he was the producer who oversaw the launch of the secular career of former gospel star Sam Cooke. After an argument with Rupe, he left Specialty, taking Cooke with him to Keen Records, where he produced Cookes first #1, "You Send Me". At Keen, he became the mentor of Lou Adler and Herb Alpert. In later years, he recorded with Ike & Tina Turner, Bob Dylan, Art Neville, The Fifth Dimension, among others.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 16:05pm


"Also Killing Joke's bassist Martin "Youth" Glover deserves some recognition for his production work with a Non-Performer Award." -Nicky Joe

Most definitely.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 16:30pm


I've been a little cautious on Brian Eno for the same reason that Steve Z expressed, but ultimately I think that relegating him to NP was the most boneheaded decision ever made in this project. He was largely the victim of a confluence of the Little Steven faction of the group colliding with the faction who though that every prog act to have a gold album needed to be inducted right away and it was a way to get a deserving artist who didn't fit either agenda out of the way. In the end, Eno has had a longer and more broadly influential career AS A PERFORMER than most of the acts he was brushed aside for. This really needs to be fixed. I'll have no problem voting for Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream and Aphex Twin next year (hell, maybe even Throbbing Gristle, too). Where we're at on the timeline, electronic music shouldn't be a one spot a year novelty. We have a lot of catching up to do.

And as far as Rap/Hip Hop, I like all the names I'm seeing, but the lack of support and attention for Ice-T over the course of the project jumps out to me the most. He's such an important genre root act that merits a sit down and rethink.

I'm loving the lists that I'm seeing from people today. This is consistently a high quality project and I have faith that it will continue to be.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 01.12.17 @ 17:03pm


Excellent list, Steve. Very comprehensive.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 01.13.17 @ 07:45am


Hi fellow posters. Thinking ahead to who we might induct later this year, and having been impressed with Steve Z's shortlist of potential inductees, I have been contemplating some other artists that I would hope could be considered. One that has been on my mind and my playlists fairly recently is The Residents. Admittedly, The Residents are not for everybody; heck, they may not be recording artists in the truest sense of the word. None the less, they are performance art; and like any performance art, The Residents are uniquely influential to a varied and just as influential collection of artists.

I suppose what makes The Residents difficult to consider is we do not know who they are. Well, I and others have a guess that The Residents are or were the Cryptic Corporation; yet they will never admit it publicly. With little knowledge of the collective to be aware of, that leaves no chance for radio airplay, low selling albums and the Residents not being rich. Plus, at a certain point their music became less accessible; I would guess the line of demarcation was 1983 after the problematic Mole Tour and the departures of Jay Clem and John Kennedy from Cryptic Corporation/Residents. I would say start with hearing and seeing their pre-1983 catalogue before exploring the Mr. Skull/Randy Chuck & Bob/Homer Flynn and Hardy Fox semi-solo eras. Be advised you may not be able to dance to their music; yet it will have your attention.

So, what say all of you fellow posters? Are The Residents, or any similar act for that matter, decent enough to be considered for the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project? Are there inductees that have had similar artistic endeavors? Let me know in any comments you might have. It should be a worthy discussion.

Hoping for a Putting On The Ritz/Istanbul/Constantinople mashup,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Monday, 01.16.17 @ 22:54pm


I am curious if there's a page you can link me to where I can see the write ups for the revisited and projected inductees in to the Rock Hall as I would like to see who inducts them in this alternate version.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 02.4.17 @ 10:26am


I'm going to do a write up for Alice in Chains.

Alice in Chains
Seattle, Washington
1987-2002, 2005-present
Inducted members: Jerry Cantrell, Layne Staley, Mike Starr, Sean Kinney, Mike Inez and WilliamDuVall

Inducted by Ann Wilson in 2016

Songs performed:
Stone
Man in the Box
Would

Out of all the grunge bands popping up in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Alice in Chains was without a doubt the darkest of all of them, their sound was much closer to heavy metal than punk and alternative rock and most of that is owed to the heaviness of the guitars. At the front of their band is their amazing lead guitarist and vocalist Jerry Cantrell who combines aggressive Black Sabbath riffing with amazing solos reminiscent of guitarists like Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Kirk Hammett, Jimmy Page and Ron Asheton as proven by tunes like Man in the Box and Dam That River. Then we have some chomping basslines in tunes like Would and Rain When I Die by the late Mike Starr who was replaced by ex-Ozzy Osbourne bassist Mike Inez. Then you have the thunderous drumming of Sean Kinney who pounds these drums in a way that would impress John Bonham and Keith Moon. However, there is one aspect of the group not to be overlooked, the vocals of the late Layne Staley who combines tortured screeches, depressing vocals and multiple harmonies alongside writing lyrics concerning mixed views on religion, drug abuse and death. Unfortunately by the late '90s, Layne vanished to his condo and was almost never seen by anyone and eventually (and unfortunately) met his fate and died at the young age of 34 with many hard rock and heavy metal legends like Phil Anselmo, James Hetfield, Kirk Hammett, Maynard James Keenan, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Zakk Wylde paying tributes and acknowledging his amazing talent. Thankfully, William DuVall has been doing a brilliant job at filling in a void that even the biggest legends would struggle to full-fill and satisfy and more than ever there's been a focus on vocal harmonies and doomy, punky riffing that despite mixed reviews from the know-it-all critics have been well received by their purest fans. It's safe to say you'd be hard-pressed to find a group that will ever come close to having the unique and phenomenal talent of Alice in Chains.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 02.22.17 @ 12:40pm


Nicky, nice writeup, but how were we able to score Ann Wilson to induct them?

Has there been an actual induction ceremony for our Rock Hall Projected that I'm unaware of?

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 02.23.17 @ 07:48am


Just trying to help polish off a project that has been all over the place, it's not serious, it's just all made up.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 02.23.17 @ 11:44am


Nicky, thought everything else but the 'inducting person' could be taken completely seriously. It is a fine writeup, IMO.

Please try another one. You did fine.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 02.24.17 @ 08:08am


Thin Lizzy
Dublin, Ireland
1969-1983, 1996-2001, 2004-present
Inducted members: Phil Lynott, Brian Downey, Eric Bell, Gary Moore, Brian Robertson, Scott Gorham, Snowy White, Darren Wharton and John Sykes

During the 1960s and 1970s, Ireland was a barren wasteland of rock and roll with only very few exceptions such as 1993 Rock Hall inductee Van Morrison but it all all changed when Thin Lizzy burst on to the scene and helped Ireland catch up with the trends of the rock genre in the UK and USA with a sound that mixed blues, hard rock, and other genres. Initially a three piece band consisting of bassist and lead vocalist Phil Lynott, drummer Brian Downey and guitarist Eric Bell, the trio initially struggled to find any significant success in Ireland but in 1972, they released a cover of a classic Irish tune called "Whiskey in the Jar" which was a big hit in the U.K. and Ireland but as their fame grew, Eric Bell also grew, uncomfortable and shortly after releasing their third album, he quit the group during a concert leaving the duo looking for a new guitarist so they hired the legendary guitarist Gary Moore but he also quit after the tour so this is where their legendary dual guitarist which would become a significant aspect in many hard rock and heavy metal bands. A then 18-year old Scottish guitarist called Brian Robertson (a.k.a Robbo) joined followed by a 23-year American old called Scott Gorham and they released two album that failed to become hits (though the latter, 1975's Fighting climbed up the UK Charts to #60 which helped open a door somewhat) but smashed on to the scene with the legendary 1976 record "Jailbreak" and the big-hit single "The Boys are Back in Town" and they went on an American tour with 1999 Rock Hall inductee Queen and they proved they could compete with their live shows and the amazing stage presence of Freddie Mercury with their 1978 record Live and Dangerous which has been certified double-platinum in the UK. However, drug abuse plagued the band in the late 1970s which saw the departure of Brian Robertson who was replaced by Gary Moore with who played with them on 1979's Black Rose: A Rock Legend which despite being a big hit in the UK and Ireland once again, it failed to make a significant dent in the US which unfortunately rendered them a one-hit wonder over there. Moore ended up leaving the group and was replaced by Snowy White with two albums that failed to live up to their previous records (especially in Renegade's case which peaked at #38 in the UK Charts) but they made a comeback on their final record. 1983's Thunder and Lightning which was a #4 hit in the UK and due to their new guitarist, John Sykes from Reading, England having influences that aren't primarily grounded in blues like Moore, Gorham and White but rather influences from heavy metal which resulted in Thunder and Lightning clearly being their heaviest album but unfortunately the band split up and whilst Scott Gorham managed to sober up, Phil Lynott didn't and died on the 4th January 1986, he was only 36 years old. The band have done some heavy touring since and have kept the spirit of the legendary hard rock band alive but even without Thin Lizzy almost all of the members proved they could hold their own. John Sykes went on to play with Whitesnake and contributed to their 1987 self-titled record which went multi-platinum in the U.S. and was backed by massive hits like "Is This Love" and the revamped "Here I Go Again". Brian Robertson joined Motörhead in the early 1980s and recorded an album with them. The late Gary Moore had a successful career with many albums in the UK being certified silver (and one even went platinum). Scott Gorham formed a band called Black Star Riders out of Thin Lizzy's ashes and has released a moderately successful album in the UK. Then of course, the late Phil Lynott had released a steady handful of Top 40 Hits in the UK (including a #5 collaboration with Gary More and a Top 40 solo album. Thin Lizzy's influence can be found all over the hard rock and even the heavy metal genre with numerous bands including 2010 Inductee Iron Maiden, 2011 Inductee Def Leppard, 2008 Inductee Metallica, 2012 Inductee Guns N' Roses, The Smashing Pumpkins, Alice in Chains, Henry Rollins & Black Flag, Megadeth and many more where that came from and now Thin Lizzy have finally received their much deserved resting place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame after a 16 year wait.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 02.25.17 @ 12:07pm


Hüsker Dü
Saint Paul, Minnesota
1979-1988
Inducted Members: Bob Mould, Grant Hart, Greg Norton
Inducted in 2013

Hüsker Dü is definitely one of the most underrated bands of all time. As one of the bands associated with the college rock genre of the 1980s alongside 2007 inductee R.E.M., 2008 inductee Sonic Youth and 2011 inductee The Replacements, Hüsker Dü helped path the way for alternative rock bands with many groups including Nirvana, Pixies, 2012 inductee Soundgarden, Foo Fighters, Green Day, Fugazi, Pearl Jam and many others. They helped mix hardcore punk with folk and pop smarts so amazingly but never to the point of drastically reducing their heaviness, thanks to the songwriting capabilities, aggressive guitars of Bob Mould, speedy drumming of Grant Hart and catchy basslines of Greg Norton. Hüsker Dü (in their 9 years together) released six albums that have developed a massive cult following with 1984's Zen Arcade and 1985's New Day Rising being their standouts and also helping to path the way for the emo genre which few would disagree with. Ever since their breakup in 1988, Bob Mould and Grant Hart focused on solo careers and other band projects whilst Greg Norton entered the culinary industry with the closest to a full reunion was when Bob Mould and Grant Hart performed together at a reunion show, quite said that we'll never see a full scale reunion from this underrated power trio.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 02.25.17 @ 15:18pm


Nicky Joe - This is great, but you should pick who the inductors and what songs they would play at the ceremony (or their replacement if they had broken up or have died)

Posted by Gass3268 on Saturday, 02.25.17 @ 16:44pm


Okay then for Thin Lizzy
Inducted in 2013 by Bob Geldof
Seeing as how there have been so many members inducted I've decided it would be probably easier if there was just a superjam of the inductees and their presenters playing The Boys are Back in Town if that makes any sense.

Then for Hüsker Dü
Inducted in 2013 by Dave Grohl
Performed
Don't Want to Know if You are Lonely
Could You be the One
Celebrated Summer
Something I Learned Today

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 02.26.17 @ 06:29am


Nicky, think Husker Du would have played 'Girl on Heaven Hill'. Sure hope to find out some day.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 02.28.17 @ 09:30am


Guns N' Roses
Los Angeles, California
1985-present
Inducted Members: Axl Rose, Izzy Stradlin, Slash, Duff McKagan, Steven Adler, Dizzy Reed, Matt Sorum and Gilby Clarke
Inducted in 2012 by Brian May
Performed Sweet Child O' Mine, Paradise City and Civil War with Myles Kennedy because Axl Rose doesn't show up.

They aren't the most dangerous rock band in the world for nothing, back in the '80s and early '90s and even today, Guns N' Roses is still rocking hard. They found themselves on the map almost as soon as their career started with their debut record Appetite for Destruction being certified Diamond in the U.S. as well as going multi-platinum in many other countries like the U.K., Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland and Brazil and more. The album itself served as the bridge between hair metal and grunge with glammy riffs from guitarists Slash and Izzy Stradlin and punky grooves from bassist Duff McKagan and drummer Steven Adler. The classic lineup saw some changes with Dizzy Reed joined as a keyboardist and Steven Adler was kicked out for his substance abuse and was replaced by Matt Sorum, former drummer of the British rock group, The Cult. Then the 1990s rolled around which was all colours of chaos with Slash almost becoming a member of the 27 club after a fatal overdose of heroin, Duff McKagan almost died from an inflanted pancreas and then there's the only and only Axl Rose, the frontman of the band who has seen it all through, being labelled racist and homophobic thanks to the lyrics of "One in a Million" attacking a cameraman at a St. Louis show then storming off stage and causing a massive riot which resulted in charges against him as well as another one in Montreal whilst touring with Metallica and then, he was so difficult to work with that many members of the band including Izzy Stradlin, Slash and Duff McKagan all left the group and other members such as Gilby Clarke Matt Sorum found themselves fired. Since then, Guns N' Roses has seen a new studio album and many musicians come and go including Buckethead, Josh Freese, Frank Ferrer, ex-Nine Inch Nails guitarist Robin Finck, ex-Replacements bassist Tommy Stinson (who was inducted with them last year), Ron Thal, Chris Pitman and many many more but Axl Rose will always be at the front of the ship, no matter what happens to the band.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Tuesday, 02.28.17 @ 14:02pm


Heart
Seattle, Washington
1973-Present
Inducted Members: Ann Wilson, Nancy Wilson, Michael DeRosier, Roger Fisher, Steve Fossen, Howard Leese, Mark Andes, Denny Carmassi, Ben Smith and Craig Bartock
Inducted in 2017 by Chris Cornell

The rock genre is by and large a gentlemen's club, it really shouldn't be that way. Thankfully, Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart continues to help tear down the walls and inspires more women to rock and roll, their sound mixes hard rock and heavy metal with folk and pop smarts which gives them a wide appeal. Though Heart was formed in 1973, it's earliest incarnations go all the way back to 1967 when Steve Fossen and Roger Fish formed a group called Hocus Pocus, Ann Wilson later joined them and they formed a new band called White Heart and then finally Heart. Then moved up to Canada and gained their earliest bulk of popularity after releasing their popular debut record "Dreamboat Annie" there 5 months before it saw an American release. However, tension eventually saw the departures of Steve Fossen and Roger Fisher leaving the Wilson sisters to drive the ship with an ever-changing lineup and they've done a very successful job at that. They made a comeback in the mid-1980s with their self-titled record which peaked at #1 in 1985 and a #1 hit single, These Dreams. They also found more success in 1987 with their #1 hit single, Alone. Both Ann and Nancy Wilson have created legacies for themselves in addition with Heart, Nancy is commonly cited as one of the greatest female guitarists whilst Ann Wilson has frequently appeared on lists of Top 100 greatest singers and together, both of which will continue to blow male rockstars out of the water.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 03.1.17 @ 05:49am


I forgot to mention what songs Heart performed so

Magic Man, Crazy on You with Chris Cornell, Barracuda with Jerry Cantrell and William DuVall and These Dreams with Mike McCready.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 03.1.17 @ 05:51am


Black Sabbath
1968-present
Birmingham, England
Inducted Members: Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Ozzy Osbourne, Bill Ward, Ronnie James Dio, Vinny Appice, Geoff Nicholls, Tony Martin, Cozy Powell and Neil Murray
Inducted in 1996 by Alice in Chains
Performed
Paranoid
Heaven and Hell
Iron Man with Metallica, Brian May, Alice in Chains and Zakk Wylde

If there is one band that is responsible for the existence of heavy metal it's Black Sabbath. By taking bluesy guitar riffs and heavily distorting them with them thunderous drumming and dark basslines with gritty vocals which was inspired by the original lineups love of horror movies. Within one year, Black Sabbath became international superstars with their self-titled debut and their follow up Paranoid where in addition to the earliest traces of heavy metal in general, you can also hear early traces of punk, goth and alternative rock that many bands have picked up today including Metallica, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Mötley Crüe, Motörhead, Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Pantera, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Killing Joke, Faith no More, Tool, Van Halen and many many more. The band has seen a constantly rotating lineup which has included the tonight's inductees such as Ozzy Osbourne, Geezer Butler, Bill Ward, Geoff Nicholls, Ronnie James Dio, Tony Martin, Vinny Appice, Neil Murray and Cozy Powell as well as other members who aren't being inducted such as 1994 inductees with Deep Purple; Ian Gillan and Glenn Hughes, Dave Allen, Eric Singer, Bob Daisley, Dave Spitz and Bobby Rondinelli. But one man has seen all it through; guitarist Tony Iommi, who is cited as one of the greatest guitarists of all time and laid the blueprints for the metal riff after losing his fingers on his last day at work in a Birmingham factory. After learning about 1992 inductee Django Reinhardt's techniques was left to make a big sound because of his fingers which led to the genre's birth and the rest is music history.


Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 03.1.17 @ 16:05pm


Nicky, nice writeup on Sabbath, but I think they have played their last show & are officially defunct.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 03.2.17 @ 19:23pm


You banana. I know they're defunct but this is being written as though it was done in 1996 plus trust me, there is a very good chance they will officially get back together again.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 03.3.17 @ 15:20pm


Rush
Willowdale, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
1968-present
Inducted Members: Alex Lifeson, John Rutsey, Geddy Lee and Neil Peart
Inducted in 2005 by Les Claypool

If there is one band who fits the definition of a power trio perfectly, it's Rush. Currently consisting of Bassist & Lead Singer Geddy Lee, Guitarist Alex Lifeson and Drummer Neil Peart are the most tightly-knit group in rock history combining progressive rock with hard rock, blues and (later) new wave to create a slick, distinctive, fantastic sound. Geddy Lee is commonly cited as one of the greatest bassists of all time whilst Neil Peart appears high in next to every list of Top 10 greatest drummers but the most under appreciated aspect of the group is Alex Lifeson who often fails to make it to lists of greatest guitarists or at least very high, tons of guitarists including Yngwie Malmsteen, Eddie Van Halen and Kirk Hammett have cited him as an influence. He is also the only original member of the group as he formed in back in 1968 when he was only a teenager with drummer John Rutsey and bassist Jeff Jones but Geddy Lee replaced him not long after and they then released their debut single in (presumably late) 1973 which was a cover of Buddy Holly's "Not Fade Away" and then their debut record was dropped the following year but Rutsey ended up leaving the group over creative differences so he was replaced by Neil Peart who had not too recently returned from the U.K. and the rest is history. They have released many fantastic studio albums including 1975's Fly by Night, 1976's 2112, 1977's A Farewell to Kings, 1978's Hemispheres, 1980's Permanent Waves, 1981's Moving Pictures and 1982's Signals and have influenced many bands including Metallica, Iron Maiden, Foo Fighters, Primus, Pixies, Rage Against the Machine, Anthrax, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Manic Street Preachers, Tool, Marillion, Dream Theater, Megadeth and many other bands where that came from.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 03.3.17 @ 15:35pm


Rush
Willowdale, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
1968-present
Inducted Members: Alex Lifeson, John Rutsey, Geddy Lee and Neil Peart
Inducted in 2005 by Les Claypool

Performed
Fly by Night
The Spirit of Radio
Tom Sawyer with Les Claypool and Paul Gilbert

If there is one band who fits the definition of a power trio perfectly, it's Rush. Currently consisting of Bassist & Lead Singer Geddy Lee, Guitarist Alex Lifeson and Drummer Neil Peart are the most tightly-knit group in rock history combining progressive rock with hard rock, blues and (later) new wave to create a slick, distinctive, fantastic sound. Geddy Lee is commonly cited as one of the greatest bassists of all time whilst Neil Peart appears high in next to every list of Top 10 greatest drummers but the most under appreciated aspect of the group is Alex Lifeson who often fails to make it to lists of greatest guitarists or at least very high, tons of guitarists including Yngwie Malmsteen, Eddie Van Halen and Kirk Hammett have cited him as an influence. He is also the only original member of the group as he formed in back in 1968 when he was only a teenager with drummer John Rutsey and bassist Jeff Jones but Geddy Lee replaced him not long after and they then released their debut single in (presumably late) 1973 which was a cover of Buddy Holly's "Not Fade Away" and then their debut record was dropped the following year but Rutsey ended up leaving the group over creative differences so he was replaced by Neil Peart who had not too recently returned from the U.K. and the rest is history. They have released many fantastic studio albums including 1975's Fly by Night, 1976's 2112, 1977's A Farewell to Kings, 1978's Hemispheres, 1980's Permanent Waves, 1981's Moving Pictures and 1982's Signals and have influenced many bands including Metallica, Iron Maiden, Foo Fighters, Primus, Pixies, Rage Against the Machine, Anthrax, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Manic Street Preachers, Tool, Marillion, Dream Theater, Megadeth and many other bands where that came from.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 03.3.17 @ 15:37pm


Deep Purple
Hertford, Hertfordshire, England
1968-1976, 1984-present
Inducted Members: Jon Lord, Ritchie Blackmore, Ian Paice, Rod Evans, Nick Simper, Ian Gillan, Roger Glover, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes, Tommy Bolin and Joe Lynn Turner
Inducted in 1994 by Richie Sambora

Performed
Hush
Black Night
Smoke on the Water

Back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the hard rock and heavy metal genres were under development and there were three main bands, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. Whilst they will forever be known best as the band who did Smoke on the Water, there is so much more to them than people realise. Mixing hard rock and heavy metal with psychedelia, progressive rock and (later) funk and creating some mesmerising sounds, it's thanks to keyboardist Jon Lord whose organ doesn't reduce the heaviness in their hard rock sound in the slightest whilst drummer Ian Paice can hit the drums with full power as well as create some groovy (even danceable) drum lines. The duo have seen a roundabout of singers, guitarists and bassists including lead singer Rod Evans and bassist Nick Simper from the MK-I lineup, lead singer Ian Gillan and bassist Roger Glover from the MK-II lineup (as well as MK-V in Glover's case), (future Whitesnake leader) lead singer David Coverdale and bassist and vocalist Glenn Hughes from the MK-III and MK-IV lineups, guitarist Tommy Bolin from the MK-IV lineup and lead singer Joe Lynn Turner on the MK-V lineup. The most memorable musician and the face of the band is without a doubt Ritchie Blackmore, despite his arrogance and ego it almost comes out in a way that makes him a likeable person and it's his phenomenal guitar playing that allows him to be cocky with some of his best solos including Child in Time, Pictures of Home and Lazy as well as many others from his solo band Rainbow, he's left the group and whilst Joe Satriani is doing an excellent job filling in his shoes, will he become the new guitarist of the group and do his best to fill in this massive void? Time will tell.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 03.4.17 @ 11:26am


Judas Priest
Birmingham, England
1969-1992, 1996-present
Inducted Members: K.K. Downing, Ian Hill, Rob Halford, Glenn Tipton, Alan Moore, Les Binks, Dave Holland, Scott Travis and Tim "Ripper" Owens
Inducted in 2006 by Glenn Hughes and Tony Iommi

Performed
Livin' After Midnight
Hell Bent for Leather
Electric Eye

Whilst Black Sabbath laid the blueprints for heavy metal. Judas Priest perfected it with their distinctive dual guitar sound with K.K. Downing and Glenn Tipton creating a heavy aggression whilst amazing solos which became a staple in metal and many groups like Iron Maiden, The Big 4 of Thrash (Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax), Saxon, Mercyful Fate and Queensryche as well as other hard rock groups like Guns N' Roses, Def Leppard, The Smashing Pumpkins and Alice in Chains. Ian Hill has amazing bass lines whilst many of the drummers who have accompanied him help complement the rhythm section of their fast paced metallic edge that was inspired by the steel mills of their home town Birmingham, England. There is one element to never be overlooked from Judas Priest and that is the vocals of Rob Halford, unlike most singers in heavy metal who sing in incredibly low, guttural growling who also get their influence from punk groups like 2004 inductees The Sex Pistols, Rob Halford on the other hand has very operatic vocals and hits some of the highest notes in music history that only a few very handful of people can imitate like Tim "Ripper" Owens who briefly fronted the band but has since left and Halford has returned and will continue to lead the pioneering heavy metal juggernaut onwards in to the future.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 03.5.17 @ 07:03am


Have also heard about a potential for some 1 offs with Sabbath, so I misspoke there.

Posted by Paul in KY on Sunday, 03.5.17 @ 11:33am


King Crimson
London, England
1968-1974, 1981-1984, 1994-present
Inducted Members: Robert Fripp, Greg Lake, Michael Giles, Peter Sinfield, Ian McDonald, Gordon Haskell, Mel Collins, Andy McCulloch, Boz Burrell, John Wetton, Bill Bruford, David Cross, Jamie Muir, Adrian Belew and Tony Levin
Inducted by Maynard James Keenan in 1997

Performed
Elephant Talk
In the Court of the Crimson King
21st Century Schizoid Man

If there's one band where unique truly fits more, it's King Crimson. They pioneered progressive rock in the late 1960s with their debut record "In the Court of the Crimson King" which is cited as one of the greatest albums of all time (and let's remind ourselves this is their debut record) with tunes like 21st Century Schizoid Man, Epitaph and the title track being hailed as some of the greatest songs ever made, combining progressive rock with jazz, folk, psychedelia and even early traces of heavy metal which would become staples in their later sound. That's not their only amazing album, there are many more including 1973's Larks' Tongues in Aspic, 1974's Red, 1981's Discipline and many many more. The band has seen a constantly rotating lineup with many members coming and going but there's one man who's seen through all the fire, guitarist Robert Fripp, Fripp's guitar style is highly unconventional in comparison to other guitarists who are usually blues or folk based but Fripp's main influences stem from jazz and avant garde which allows him to create unusual sounds that you wouldn't find elsewhere but that doesn't mean he's not able to create incredible riffs and solos; including the previously mentioned songs, there are monstrously good numbers like Larks's Tongues in Aspic (both parts 1 & 2), Starless, Easy Money, Red and many many more. Many bands including Iron Maiden, Rush, Bad Religion, Tool, Nirvana, Dream Theater, Killing Joke, Primus and Red Hot Chili Peppers have cited King Crimson as a big influence and it's not hard to see why.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 03.11.17 @ 13:34pm


Nicky Joe,

That was an outstanding write up on King Crimson. Congratulations!

Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 03.11.17 @ 16:16pm


Thank you.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 03.12.17 @ 09:13am


The Stooges
Ann Arbor, Michigan, United States
1967-1971, 1972-1974
Inducted Members: Iggy Pop, Dave Alexander, Ron Asheton, Scott Asheton, Steve MacKay and James Williamson
Inducted by Joey Ramone in 1997

Performed
Loose
No Fun
I Wanna be Your Dog
Search and Destroy with Joey Ramone and Kim Thayil

If there was one band that truly was "punk" it was The Stooges. Sex, drugs, rock and roll lifestyle was this band and they didn't play complicated music, they played it in a genuine way but that doesn't mean they have no talent like people paint punks. Listen to Dave Alexander's bass lines on Fun House, listen to Scott Asheton's drumming listen to Ron Asheton's and James Williamsons' amazing guitar solos and that's all you need to see how amazing these guys are. Then, there's frontman Iggy Pop who pioneered the art of stage diving and crowd surfing, who has earned the respect of many big musicians like David Bowie and Lou Reed, a man so deep in to drugs he went to mental asylums, a guy who even without The Stooges has some incredible solo albums. Despite their shocking lack of success, they have since built up a cult following (especially in the United Kingdom) and have not just influenced punk groups but hard rock, heavy metal, goth and alternative rock groups like Guns N' Roses, Metallica, Slayer, Kiss, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Jane's Addiction, Motörhead, Alice Cooper, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Siouxsie & The Banshees, The Pretenders, Rage Against the Machine, Sonic Youth and many many more bands who will come up in the future.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 03.12.17 @ 09:27am


Queen
London, England
1970-present
Inducted Members: Brian May, Roger Taylor, Freddie Mercury and John Deacon
Inducted by Steve Vai in 1999

Performed
Radio Ga-Ga
We Are the Champions
Tie Your Mother Down with Steve Vai and Slash
Stone Cold Crazy with Steve Vai, Slash and Metallica

As John Deacon doesn't show up, ex-Black Sabbath and Whitesnake bassist Neil Murray (who is a close friend of Brian May) comes to perform in his place

If David Bowie was a rock band, Queen is what you would get. Queen simply can't be pinned down to a particular genre because of their willingness to experiment with numerous genres whether it's hard rock, progressive rock, heavy metal, new wave, funk, disco, soul, pop, folk, art rock, glam rock etc. bottom line, Queen is Queen and that's what makes them stand out from their peers. In addition, you can hear all kinds of early traces of music genres ranking from power metal and speed metal to alternative rock on the exact same album, that's an accomplishment. The group itself was a very tightly knit four piece and as opposed to other bands where members wrote the songs together, they instead write songs individually with May and Taylor writing their heaviest numbers, Deacon writing songs mainly inspired from funk and soul whilst Mercury can give you an even wider range. This allowed them to create all kinds of songs including whaling stadium anthems like Radio Ga-Ga, We Will Rock You and We are the Champions, all out rockers such as Tie Your Mother Down, Stone Cold Crazy and I Want it All, funky tunes like the #1 U.S. hit Another One Bites the Dust and then there's the legendary Bohemian Rhapsody. A song that has spent 14 weeks at the top of the UK Charts (9 weeks throughout 1975-1976 and 5 extra weeks through out 1991-1992 after Freddie's unfortunate death from the AIDS). Their talents should never be overlooked with Deacon's funky, catchy bass lines, Taylor's rapid, melodic drumming. Then there's Brian May impressive, varied guitar skills have influenced many guitar gods including Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen and Eddie Van Halen. There is one person who should never be overlooked, the late Freddie Mercury, whose voice could hit operatic proportions, multiple harmonies, whaling banshee screams with this ballroom jazz feel at the same time. They have influenced many groups all over the spectrum including hard rock groups like Guns N' Roses, Def Leppard and The Cult; Heavy metal groups like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Megadeth and Metallica and Alternative bands like The Smashing Pumpkins, Fugazi, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Rage Against the Machine, Jane's Addiction, Manic Street Preachers and there's plenty of future bands who will agree.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 03.12.17 @ 09:50am


Led Zeppelin
1968-1980
London, England
Inducted Members: Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones, Robert Plant, John Bonham
Inducted by Jeff Buckley in 1995

Performed
Black Dog
Whole Lotta Love
When the Levee Breaks with Joan Jett, Jeff Buckley, Neil Young, Eddie Vedder and Eric Clapton

If there is one band that proved to be serious competition to The Beatles, it's Led Zeppelin. After The Yardbirds split up in 1968, Jimmy formed a new band out of it's ashes and the name came up after speaking with The Who drummer Keith Moon who disapproved of his planned band name "The New Yardbirds" by saying they would go down like a "Lead Zeppelin" and that's where the name came from. The group always pay respects to their bluesy roots whether it was noticeable similarities in their songs to older songs or covers, no one did the blues better than Jimmy Page. Blues wasn't their only genre as Led Zeppelin were (by and large) a hard rock group with blues and even folk as their base but their music also contained traces of psychedelia, progressive rock, funk, reggae, pop. primordial heavy metal (seeing as how they alongside 1994 inductee Deep Purple and Black Sabbath are seen as the main pioneers of hard rock and heavy metal) and country. The legacy of the band can never be underestimated, with three albums being certified diamond in the U.S. (Led Zeppelin II, Led Zeppelin IV and Houses of the Holy) as well as a massive streak of #1 albums in their native UK. All of their albums are really something to write home including some of their weaker records in the eyes of the critics like Presence and In Through the Out Door but then albums like Led Zeppelin II and IV continuously appear high on lists of greatest albums lists and deservingly so. Songs like Black Dog, Whole Lotta Love, Kashmir, Dazed and Confused, Ramble On, No Quarter and Immigrant Song have become staples in classic rock radio but then there's the immortal Stairway to Heaven, an eight minute humber combining folk and progressive rock that leads up to an epic climax which is only further fuelled by Page's guitar solo and was once played 24 hours straight on a Floridian radio which should speak volumes of it's Godliness. But what about the members? Robert Plant's voice has amazing ranges and can hit extremely high impressive notes that are difficult to imitate, the overlooked John Paul Jones has made some truly groovy bass lines and even catchy keyboard riffs, the late drummer John Bonham created some truly thunderous, immaculate drum lines that many drummers will try to emulate at least once and it's not hard to understand why he tops so many lists of greatest drummers and there's their ring leader Jimmy Page who climbs high on lists of greatest guitarists with his amazing riffs and solos like the previously mentioned tunes but there are also Godly riffs in songs like Houses of the Holy, The Song Remains the Same, How Many More Times, Four Sticks, Achilles Last Stand and so many more. They have been crucial in the development of hard rock, heavy metal and alternative rock which countless band citing them as influences including Aerosmith, AC/DC, Van Halen, Rush, Queen, Def Leppard, Mötley Crüe, Bon Jovi, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motörhead, Metallica, Megadeth, The Cult, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots, Thin Lizzy, R.E.M., Cheap Trick, Whitesnake, The Smashing Pumpkins, Heart, The Runaways, The Cure, Tool, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Killing Joke, The Stone Roses, The Ramones, Dream Theater, The Sex Pistols, Black Sabbath, Alanis Morissette, Faith no More, Jane's Addiction and many more bands whether it's the past, present or future.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 03.12.17 @ 12:04pm


Soundgarden
Seattle, Washington
1984-1997, 2010-present
Inducted Members: Chris Cornell, Kim Thayil, Hiro Yamamoto, Matt Cameron and Ben Shepherd
Inducted by Eddie Vedder in 2012

Performed
Spoonman
Rusty Cage
Black Hole Sun with Eddie Vedder

Whilst Nirvana bought the grunge sound in to the masses, it was Soundgarden who pioneered the sound in the mid to late 1980s and released their debut album "Ultramega OK" 7.5 months before Nirvana's "Bleach". The band's style itself combines hard rock with punk, post-punk, hardcore, goth, heavy metal and psychedelia. This allowed Soundgarden to create this slick, dark sound that would prove highly influential. It's only further helped by the rhythmic drumming of Matt Cameron, gloomy bass lines from both Hiro Yamamoto and (later and currently) Ben Shepherd, monstrous guitar work from Kim Thayil and the whaling vocals of Chris Cornell who has this David Coverdale like grit whilst hitting Robert Plant like high notes alongside Iggy Pop-ish soft spoken lower notes. The band has released a small but impressive legacy with their '90s albums being the highlight. 1991's Badmotorfinger, 1996's Down on the Upside and of course, 1994's Superunknown and this album's legacy by fan favourite singles like Spoonman, Fell on Black Days, My Wave, The Day I Tried to Live and (of course) Black Hole Sun. They sadly broke up in 1997 but got back together in 2010 and show no signs of splitting up soon.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Tuesday, 03.14.17 @ 17:10pm


Yes
1968-1981, 1983-present
London, England
Inducted Members: Chris Squire, Jon Anderson, Tony Kaye, Bill Bruford, Peter Banks, Steve Howe, Rick Wakeman, Alan White, Patrick Moraz, Trevor Horn, Geoff Downes and Trevor Rabin

Inducted by Todd Rundgren in 2001

Performed
I've Seen All Good People
Owner of a Lonely Heart
Roundabout

If there's one band that truly bought progressive rock to the forefront in America in the early 1970's it was Yes. Even before Pink Floyd released Dark Side of the Moon in 1973, Yes had two platinum albums over in America by that point which proves their staying power. Albums like The Yes Album, Fragile and Close to the Edge prove why Yes is such a juggernaut with long, complex and impressive tunes like Heart of the Sunrise and Close to the Edge showing off the talent of the band members with amazing organ and bass riffs, guitar solos and drum lines. The band has seen quite a "Roundabout" of members coming on and off of it but bassist Chris Squire who has influenced numerous bass players like John Deacon of Queen (Inducted in 1999), Geddy Lee of Rush, Steve Harris of Iron Maiden, Billy Sheehan, Les Claypool of Primus and many more. Who knows if lineup changes will continue in to the future but he'll see it all through to the bitter end.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 03.15.17 @ 06:20am


Joy Division
1976-1980
Manchester, England
Inducted Members: Bernand Sumner, Peter Hook, Ian Curtis and Stephen Morris
Inducted by Jaz Coleman and Kevin "Geordie" Walker in 2004

Performed
Transmission
Disorder
Love Will Tear us Apart
All are performed with Jaz Coleman, Kevin "Geordie" Walker and Paul Raven

If there's one band where you can really see the earliest traces of alternative rock, goth, industrial and many others. It's Joy Division. Taking the punk sound that defined the late 1970's and fusing it with more experimental tendencies resulted in the pioneering of the post-punk genre. Their dark sound also paved the way for goth (and even industrial to some extent). In the band, there was drummer Stephen Morris who provided these rhythmic, memorable drum lines whilst Sumner produced some dark, impressive guitar riffs and well as gloomy synthesisers. Then there's Peter Hook who created these amazing bass lines that helped define their rhythm section but at the top of their totem pole is Ian Curtis. His vocal style is dark and soft spoken and perfectly fits in with the gothic atmosphere of Joy Division. Lyrically Joy Division is very dark, they don't beat around the bush with light hearted poppy numbers that are all about how life is great and partying and there's not a thing wrong with their lives. No, they wrote about haunting subjects; mainly mental illness, this mostly comes down to Ian Curtis' health problems (both physically (seeing as how he was epileptic) and mentally (due to his clinical depression) and schism he caused between himself and his wife and was also cheating on her which didn't make things better and by May of 1980. Curtis had sank extremely deeply in to depression and ended his life by hanging himself, he was only 23 years old. The band's legacy has since been cemented after the death of Ian Curtis with many bands including Radiohead, The Smashing Pumpkins, Jane's Addiction, Killing Joke, Soundgarden, Faith no More, U2, Nine Inch Nails, The Cure, The Smiths, Ministry, Depeche Mode, The Cult, The Jesus & Mary Chain and many others as well their two studio albums, 1979's Unknown Pleasures and 1980's Closer being honoured as two of the greatest albums of their time.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 03.22.17 @ 06:07am


Patti Smith Group
New York City, New York, United States
1974-1979, 1988, 1995-present
Inducted Members: Patti Smith, Lenny Kaye, Richard Sohl, Ivan Kral, Jay Dee Daugherty, Bruce Brody, Fred Sonic Smith, Oliver Ray and Tony Shanahan
Inducted by Michael Stipe in 2006

Performed
Because the Night
Free Money
People Have the Power
Gloria with Michael Stipe, Courtney Love and Allen Lanier

If there is woman who truly fits punk, it's Patti Smith. Combining this pre punk sound with blazing guitar solos from Lenny Kaye and other genres like folk, hard rock and reggae alongside amazing drum lines from Jay Dee Daugherty as well as bass and keyboard riffs alongside one of the greatest debut albums of all time in the form of 1975's "Horses" which is seen as a cornerstone in proto-punk. The true highlight is Patti Smith with her amazing lyricisms and even wrote lyrics for the hard rock group Blue Öyster Cult and wrote some really rebellious lines such as "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine" which she added on to her rocking cover of the Van Morrison tune and has established herself as a true rebellious icon. Tons of groups including R.E.M., U2, The Smiths, The Cult, Hole, Madonna, The Cult, Garbage, Siouxsie & The Banshees, The Pretenders, L7, Sleater-Kinney and PJ Harvey have openly acknowledged Patti Smith Group as an influence and it's easy to understand why.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 03.22.17 @ 09:19am


Talking Heads
New York City, New York
1975-1991
Inducted Members: David Bryne, Tina Weymouth, Chris Frantz and Jerry Harrison
Inducted by Vernon Reid in 2002

Performed
Once in a Lifetime
Burnin' Down the House
Psycho Killer

The New York punk scene in the 1970s was a very fascinating scene. You had full on rockers like The Ramones, rebellious legends like Patti Smith Group, disco floor dancers like Blondie, arty groups like Television and many, many more. Then there's Talking Heads who was quite out there in comparison. Combining art rock with punk and funk as well as paving the way for new wave alongside Blondie as well as post-punk to certain extensions. There are many things which defined the band whether it's the guitar work, the art rock-esque vocals from David Bryne, Tina Weymouth's funky, catchy bass lines and being one of the first true female rockers which is something we sadly don't see often, the drum lines from Chris Frantz and the guitars from Jerry Harrison all come together and make this amazing sound. Then they have made some truly amazing records including their 1977 debut record, 1979's Fear of Music, 1983's Speaking in Tongues, 1985's Little Creatures but most importantly, 1980s' Remain in Light its influences from African music helping define the record. Unfortunately, high tension and feuding between the members, they split up, leaving a long legacy behind them. Influencing Red Hot Chili Peppers, R.E.M., Living Colour, Primus, Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Joy Division, Gang of Four, No Doubt, Phish, The B-52's and many many more.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 03.22.17 @ 10:03am


Iron Maiden
London, England
1975-present
Inducted Members: Steve Harris, Dave Murray, Paul Di'anno, Clive Burr, Dennis Stratton, Adrian Smith, Bruce Dickinson, Nicko McBrain, Janick Gers and Blaze Bayley
Inducted by Scott Ian and Frank Bello in 2010

Performed
Run to the Hills
The Trooper
Wrathchild
The Number of the Beast with Scott Ian and Frank Bello

After the punk movement lost steam, many genres began emerging like goth and post-punk but there was also heavy metal specifically, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal and Iron Maiden was it's leader. The band itself combines heavy metal with progressive rock, blues and even traces of punk though Steve Harris strongly denies this but you can see how Paul Di'anno and Clive Burr were influenced by this. The musical talent of the band is unreal with the amazing duel guitar attack that now is a triple attack from Dave Murray, Adrian Smith and Janick Gers with their amazing ability to riff and solo. The thunderous drumming from Clive Burr who was replaced by the proficient drumming of Nicko McBrain, The bluesy, punk vocals from Paul Di'anno and Blaze Bayley whilst Bruce Dickinson gives you operatic screeches. Then there's the bands leader who has seen it all through. Steve Harris' basslines (who is arguably the greatest songwriter in metal) which gives this pure crunch through the guitar, drums and vocals and thankfully doesn't get too buried in to the mix with some of his most impressive lines including "Running Free, Wrathchild, The Trooper, The Duellists, For the Greater Good of God, Hallowed be thy Name (their anthem song), Where Eagles Dare, Powerslave, Phantom of the Opera and many others. Their work should never be overlooked specifically their first seven records and 2000's Brave New World show off what a talented band this is. Many bands have cited Iron Maiden as an influence including Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Pantera, Slipknot, Dream Theater, Alice in Chains, Kurt Cobain of Nirvana, My Chemical Romance, Mercyful Fate, Avenged Sevenfold, Opeth, the Power Metal scene in Germany and Scandinavia and you can really see why.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 03.22.17 @ 10:22am


The Velvet Underground
New York City, New York
1964-1973, 1990
Inducted Members: Lou Reed, John Cale, Sterling Morrison, Maureen Tucker, Nico and Doug Yule
Inducted by Thurston Moore in 1992

Performed
Heroin
Sweet Jane
Rock 'n' Roll
Venus in Furs with Thurston Moore, Lee Ronaldo and Kim Gordon

If there's only band that truly is bohemian, that's The Velvet Underground. Emerging in the 1960's from New York City they weren't just a rock band, they were a rock band that pushed the boundaries for music in general and you can hear incredibly early traces of punk, industrial, glam, goth, prog and the alternative scene and experimental music in general and their debut record which was a collab with Nico is one of the greatest albums ever made and often appears high on many greatest album lists with it's strong sense of psychedelia and pop smarts as well as extreme experimentation with tunes like Heroin and Venus in Furs being called two of the greatest songs ever made. Lyrically, they're extremely dark and deal with issues such as drug abuse and prostitution with these tunes all being written by the amazing Lou Reed who has established himself as a true rebel in the rock genre and is known for his defensive nature to interviewers and reporters though despite all this the band has barely seen any success outside of the indie bands being influenced by them over here but overseas (especially in the U.K.) they're a very popular group and most people will know at least a few songs from them. Tons of groups all over the music scene including The Ramones, The Clash, The Sex Pistols, The Stooges, David Bowie, Roxy Music, U2, Joy Division, The Cure, R.E.M., Sonic Youth, Soundgarden, Nirvana, Jane's Addiction, Patti Smith Group, Killing Joke, Nick Cave, Talking Heads, The Cars, Blue Öyster Cult, The Cult, Throbbing Gristle, Dinosaur Jr., Pixies, The Smiths, The Pretenders, New York Dolls, Duran Duran, Echo & The Bunnymen, Gang of Four, My Bloody Valentine, Hüsker Dü, Hanoi Rocks, The Jesus & Mary Chain, Black Flag, Siouxsie & The Banshees, The Flaming Lips, Throbbing Gristle, Suicide, Television and many others have cited The Velvet Underground as a major influence on their music and it sure is understandable.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 03.23.17 @ 13:09pm


Could anybody rally behind inducting The Jesus and Mary Chain this upcoming election? This is arguably the most important alternative rock that's missed from this cool project.

That said, Dinosaur Jr., Wire, and Echo and the Bunnymen are all questionable omissions as well. I'd be willing to vote for all four at once.

Posted by Logan on Thursday, 03.30.17 @ 23:53pm


I've seen The Jesus & Mary Chain & those dicks were 45 minutes late (at least) to their show. I don't think they have very many good songs. I guess they have influence & cool name & whatnot, but I would think we have 15 or 20 in their genre that should go before them, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 03.31.17 @ 08:10am


Wire and the Fall are my top priorities in that area at this point. JMC are in my top 5, though. Gang of Four is in that company, as well.

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 03.31.17 @ 14:14pm


The Jesus & Mary Chain are on my shortlist for this year's indie rock slot, along with Los Lobos and They Might Be Giants. If there's a concentrated push for them, they can have my vote.

Posted by Ian on Friday, 03.31.17 @ 17:46pm


I'd say Gang of Four and Wire deserve it more than The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Fall, Los Lobos and especially They Might be Giants.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 04.1.17 @ 04:34am


I think my top 5 Post-punk/Alt priorities list looks something like:

Wire
The Fall
Billy Bragg
Gang of Four
Jesus & Mary Chain

And related genres:

Punk:

Richard Hell & the Voidoids
Dead Boys
The Slits
Sleater-Kinney
Descendents

Electronic:

Tangerine Dream
Brian Eno
Throbbing Gristle
Moby
Orbital

Ministry is another related act that I'm high on right now, but their evolution from synthpop to metal doesn't put them neatly into any category.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 04.1.17 @ 14:19pm


Here are my top choices for Alt Rock/Post-Punk/New Wave. The more stars next to their name, the higher the priority for me.

Wire***
The Fall***
Gang of Four**
Echo and the Bunnymen**
Dinosaur Jr.**
Tears for Fears**
The Go-Go's**
Pere Ubu* (new addition)
The Stranglers* (new addition)
Killing Joke* (new addition)
The Jesus and Mary Chain* (new addition)

and top priorities for Punk as well:

The Damned***
Minor Threat***
The Misfits***
Billy Idol***
Discharge**
Bikini Kill**
Blink-182** (I know, I know)
Sleater-Kinney**
Richard Hell and the Voidoids*
Fear*
The Dead Boys*

Depending on momentum though, these things can change, but I'd ultimately like to see all of these acts get in.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 04.1.17 @ 17:50pm


Killing Joke would be a great choice considering they've influenced these previous inductees.
Metallica - 2008
Soundgarden - 2012
Nirvana - 2014
Nine Inch Nails - 2015
Jane's Addiction - 2016
Faith no More - 2018
Rage Against the Machine - 2018
Tool - 2020
My Bloody Valentine - 2024
Foo Fighters - 2025
LCD Soundsystem - 2030

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 04.2.17 @ 05:11am


Also, some female inductees need some serious consideration like
Tori Amos***
Alanis Morissette***
Sheryl Crow**
The Go-Go's***
Lucinda Williams*
Hole**
Queen Latifah**
Sinead O' Connor**
Sade***
Cyndi Lauper*
Rufus with Chaka Khan**
Suzi Quatro*
Carly Simon*
The Shangri-Las***
Loretta Lynn***
Nancy Sinatra*
Petula Clark**
Liz Phair*
Portishead***
Sleater-Kinney**
Lauryn Hill**
Amy Winehouse***
No Doubt**
St. Vincent*
Adele***

Joan Jett & The Blackhearts

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 04.2.17 @ 05:44am


Agh, yeah, I forgot the Damned. They'd be in my punk top 3 with Richard Hell and Dead Boys. (I should've learned by now not to make lists off the top of my head in this thread.)

Nicky Joe - I'd have no problem at all with Killing Joke.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 04.2.17 @ 13:02pm


Also while I'm not expecting to see these guys ever get inducted. One band you're completely missing from this website is Monster Magnet. The New Jersey Stoner Rock Band from the 1990s that did Powertrip.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 04.5.17 @ 12:11pm


One person who really needs to be inducted as an influence this year is Buddy Rich, he's a legendary jazz drummer who has influenced the likes of John Bonham, Bill Ward, Ian Paice, Topper Headon, Roger Taylor (Queen), Phil Collins and Carl Palmer and he made it to #15 on Rolling Stone's Greatest Drummers.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Monday, 04.10.17 @ 06:54am


No argument from me on Buddy Rich, Nicky Joe. I agree that he's a great choice, as is Rich's own major influence - Gene Krupa. There's a LOT of Swing/Jazz acts that are incredibly worthy for the influence genre. Heavyweights such as Benny Goodman, Count Basie, Fats Waller, Artie Shaw, Bix Beiderbecke, Glenn Miller, and Tommy & Jimmy Dorsey are all on the outside looking in. I posted the rest in my previous post that had the giant list.

I've also been looking into some other Country influence possibilities. I already listed Sons of the Pioneers and Gene Autry, but Loretta Lynch, Conway Twitty, Buck Owens, and maybe even the Oak Ridge Boys would fit as well. Philip and Zuzu were discussing Jerry Reed and he might be another good candidate.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 04.15.17 @ 17:33pm


Exactly. Petula Clark might be a good choice as well.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 04.15.17 @ 17:38pm


If anybody is looking for some inspiration for the Influences category, I strongly recommend DDD's suggestion list. Of all the critique Digital Dreamdoor has thrown at the Rock Hall, I think this one is the most correct, and I share with them the opinion that the most deserving artists were those people active in the late 1940s and early 1950s in shaping the genres that directly lead to rock n roll: jump blues, rhythm & blues, western swing, gospel.

This is their plead for one of the artists I've been pushing for for quite awhile, Amos Milburn.

Pianist and singer Milburn was a huge star in the 40's and 50's when his drinking-themed records were consistent hits on the R&B Charts, including four that hit #1. His run of 19 Top Ten hits from '48 to '54 marked the exact time that rock 'n' roll was coming into its own and Milburn, with his subject matter and boogie piano, was at the forefront. Another huge omission by the Hall for someone who should've made it within the first few elections.

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Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 04.15.17 @ 19:30pm


A rundown of Jeff Ament's shirt and this project.



Performer Snubs (58 + 1 already inducted):

Alice In Chains
B-52s
Bad Brains
Bad Company
Bauhaus
Big Star
Bjork
Black Flag
Bon Jovi
Buzzcocks
Can
Captain Beefheart
The Cars
The Cure
Dead Kennedys
Devo
Duran Duran
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Faith No More
Flaming Lips
Fugazi
Gang of Four
Harry Nilsson
Husker Du
Iron Maiden
The Jam
Jane's Addiction
Judas Priest
Kate Bush
King Crimson
Kraftwerk
Link Wray
Love
MC5
The Monkees
Motley Crue
Motorhead
Neu!
New Order
Nick Cave
Nick Drake
New York Dolls
Nine Inch Nails
Oasis - not yet eligible?
Pixies
PJ Harvey
The Replacements
Roxy Music
Slayer
Smashing Pumpkins
The Smiths
Sonic Youth
Soundgarden
Steppenwolf
T. Rex
Thin Lizzy
Tom Waits - he already is an inductee!
Warren Zevon
X





Non-Performer Snubs (3):

Brian Eno
Hipgnosis
Todd Rundgren



Influence Snubs (2):

Fela Kuti
Nina Simone



Roster Snub (1):

Chad Channing of Nirvana



Snubs Only On Jeff Ament's Shirt (32):

Billy Idol
The Black Crowes
Blue Oyster Cult
The Cult
The Damned
Descendents
Dinosaur Jr.
Dio
Elliott Smith
Flipper
Free
Grand Funk Railroad
Guided By Voices
Joe Jackson
King Diamond
Lenny Kravitz
Melvins
Minor Threat
Minutemen
The Misfits
The Modern Lovers/Jonathan Richman
Mountain
Mudhoney
Public Image Ltd.
Psychedelic Furs
Raymond Pettibon
Richard Hell
The Sonics
Sweet
Ted Nugent
Waterboys
Weather Report


I'd say the biggest omission is Joy Division since Jeff's shirt includes New Order. Granted, a Joy Division-New Order induction would take care of both problems.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 04.17.17 @ 16:39pm


He also misspelled Jonathan Richman as Jonathon Richman.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 04.17.17 @ 16:40pm


Looks like I made a mistake with Gang of Four. Not yet inducted in this project.

Posted by Casper on Monday, 04.17.17 @ 16:49pm


Gang of Four should be going in this year due to their amazing debut record (and other albums) as well as their influence on bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers, Fugazi and Rage Against the Machine.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Tuesday, 04.18.17 @ 12:35pm


The fan groups for Janet Jackson, The Moody Blues, and Jethro Tull need to go to work on Jeff Ament.

His shirt snubbed all of them, and now he is among the Rock Hall voting block.

He snubbed Dennis Wilson too, but I don't see a nomination happening there any time soon; while these other three all seem like decent shots to get nominated - in which case right now Ament has not expressed support for any of the three.

Posted by Shrek on Tuesday, 04.18.17 @ 20:28pm


For what it's worth, he basically avoided Hip Hop/Soul/R&B/Pop completely, so any snubs kind of make sense given the sort of music Pearl Jam performs. They also aren't too high on Prog Rock.



An omission here for us that is now starting to really annoy me is Diana Ross' solo career. There's more than enough classic tunes and chart success for her to warrant a second induction at this point.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 04.18.17 @ 21:24pm


I still would have expected some kind of soul or R&B on Ament's list over Ted Nugent, Motley Crue, and Bon Jovi, acts one would not expect anyone in Pearl Jam to like. Yes, Ament was previously in Mother Love Bone which was partially a glam metal band, but still I don't really think Van Halen was their main influence, and certainly not Bon Jovi or Crue.

Posted by Sean on Tuesday, 04.18.17 @ 21:41pm


Yeah Casper, it's basically artists, except Tom Waits, not in yet that he personally wants to see in. We get that. The problem for me at least, is that it's clearly indicative of the guitar-band pyramid that he will, either consciously or otherwise, serve to perpetuate. When a guitar band is inducted and has multiple members still alive, they all become voters, and they're likely to vote for artists they toured with, were influenced by, or influenced down the line. It's myopia, and unless it's called out, it will slip by uncorrected, possibly undiagnosed. Even if you aren't influenced by an act like... Grace Jones for instance, you can still recognize the importance of inducting an artist like her.

As for Diana Ross, I'm still gonna pass on her. I'd rather make a specific point to induct the post-Ross Supremes than Ross as a soloist.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 04.19.17 @ 17:11pm


Van Halen
Pasadena, California
1972-present
inducted Members: Eddie Van Halen, Alex Van Halen, David Lee Roth, Michael Anthony, Sammy Hagar and Gary Cherone

Inducted by Dimebag Darrell in 2004

Performed
Ain't Talkin 'Bout Love
Dreams
Why Can't This be Love?
Panama with Dimebag Darrell
*David Lee Roth doesn't show up and Gary Cherone and Sammy Hagar share vocals

In the late 1970's, rock was in grave danger of being overrun by disco and punk, they weren't bad of course but that all out rock that was fulling up arenas and stadiums was starting to slide away. From out of nowhere, a band called Van Halen showed up in 1978 and got massive almost immediately with their self-titled debut record which has since got diamond in their native U.S., that is an accomplishment to be proud of and they soon proved they weren't a one trick pony with a string of successful albums including another diamond album; 1984's... 1984. Unfortunately, David Lee Roth left the group soon afterwards and was replaced by ex-Montrose frontman and solo artist Sammy Hagar who continued to see the band through success an it doesn't matter who's fronting them today, they will always remain an incredibly popular and amazing band. Whether it's the chomping basslines of Michael Anthony, the pounding drums of Alex Van Halen, the party nature of David Lee Roth or the proficient singing of Sammy Hagar, this band can stand on their own. Then there's Eddie Van Halen, who became a guitar god right out of the gate with his amazing signature solo, Eruption and it showed the world how tapping and soloing is done. Numerous guitarists including Dimebag Darrell, Kirk Hammett, Jerry Cantrell, Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen, Dave Navarro, Mike McCready, George Lynch, Slash and so many, many more where that came from. Many bands including Def Leppard, Mötley Crüe, Def Leppard, Winger, Extreme, Poison, Cinderella, Living Colour have been influenced by their full blown hard rock style and their's plenty more where that came from.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 04.26.17 @ 06:48am


Nicky, nice touch on Diamond Dave not showing up! Excellent writeup.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 04.26.17 @ 08:17am


Thank you.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Thursday, 04.27.17 @ 11:11am


Pink Floyd
London, England
1965-present
Inducted Members: Roger Waters, Richard Wright, Nick Mason, Syd Barrett and David Gilmour

Inducted by Brian Eno in 1993

Performed
Wish you Were Here
Comfortably Numb with David Bowie
*Syd Barrett doesn't show up

As the British Invasion died down, many British bands began forming getting ready for a second invasion which lasted through the late 1960s' in to the mid 1970s'. Pink Floyd, was one of them and they first splashed on to the scene in 1967 with two singles, Arnold Layne and See Emily Play (the latter peaked at #6 and made it on to the year end Top 100 Singles) as well as a successful debut album which did well in the UK but failed to make a dent in the United States. Despite struggling to achieve success early on, their native UK always had their back and it wouldn't be until 1973 when they become international superstars with The Dark Side of the Moon which has spent over 14 years on the Billboard 200 and has become one of the best selling albums in the UK and it's home to truly amazing tunes like Money, Time, The Great Gig in the Sky, Us and Them and Brain Damage in addition to being hailed as one of the all time greatest records. That wasn't the only album the band has to show how phenomenal they are, there's 1975's Wish you Were Here (a tribute song to ex-band member Syd Barrett) with their title track becoming an acoustic favourite as is Have a Cigar and the 28 minute magnum opus Shine on You Crazy Diamond. Not only that but 1977's Animals has three epics called Sheep, Pigs and Dogs and raises serious political issues as well as being the first record to show their signature floating pig. Then there's 1979's The Wall which is one of the best-selling albums in America and songs like Another Brick in the Wall: Part 2, Run Like Hell, Mother, The Trial and Comfortably Numb help ensure quality goes beautifully alongside with the quantity. Even when Pink Floyd was reduced to a three piece after Waters quit they still managed to hold their own with 1994's The Division Bell being able to stand on it's own. As for the musicianship there's the legendary Syd Barrett who's a great guitarist has wrote some truly mad songs like Bike and his solo work is a sound to behold, Roger Waters has funky basslines in store (with Another Brick in the Wall: Part 2 being one of the best examples) alongside lyrics dealing with social isolation, exploitation of the working class and war, Nick Mason delivers proficient steel drumming, Richard Wright's keyboards are just immaculate as proven by the Wish you Were Here and David Gilmour has made so fantastic guitar solos like Time and Comfortably Numb. You can also see where progressive rock began with Pink Floyd and you can hear early traces of electronic music, industrial music and alternative rock. They have influenced many bands and artists including David Bowie, Queen, Rush, Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Iron Maiden, Tears for Fears, Faith no More, Wire, Kraftwerk, Nine Inch Nails, The Smashing Pumpkins, Jerry Cantrell of Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Roxy Music, Dave Mustaine of Megadeth, Kate Bush, The Flaming Lips, My Bloody Valentine, Alice Cooper, Killing Joke, Hawkwind, Can, Neu! and Blur and it most certainly is understandable.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 04.28.17 @ 15:00pm


Parliament Funkadelic
Detroit, Michigan
1968-present
Inducted Members; George Clinton, Jerome "Bigfoot" Brailey, Bootsy Collins, Raymond Davis, Ramon "Tiki" Fulwood, Glen Goins, Michael "Mickey" Hampton, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Eddie Hazel, Walter "Junie" Morrison, Cordell "Boogie" Mosson, Billy "Bass" Nelson, Garry Shider, Calvin Simon, Grady Thomas, Bernie Worrell, Tyrone "Ty" Lampkin, Roy Bykowski, Gary "Mudbone" Cooper and Fred Wesley

Inducted by Flea in 1996

Performed
Super Stupid
One Nation Under a Groove
Give Up the Funk (Tear the Roof Off the Sucker)

There are two versions of Parliament Funkadelic, first of all there's Parliament; a more soul based funk group that has origins that go all the way back to the 1950s with strong doo-wop influences from that precursor group and it's home to legendary albums like Chocolate City, Mothership Connection and Funkentelechy Vs. the Placebo Syndrome. Then there's Funkadelic, a more rock based funk-group with strong influence from Jimi Hendrix but never to the point of plagiarism and they still manage to stay completely original and Funkadelic produced amazing albums like Free Your Mind... and Your Ass Will Follow and Maggot Brain. Tons of amazing musicians have been included in the ranks of this juggernaut double band like the sadly deceased Eddie Hazel, Bootsy Collins, Bernie Worrell, Tiki Fulwood, Garry Shider, Billy "Bass" Nelson and so many more but the crazy, imaginative mind of George Clinton would always lead the band no matter what happens to them. Parliament Funkadelic have been the main inspiration for many artists with strong influences from funk including Red Hot Chili Peppers, Prince, Living Colour, Talking Heads, Faith no More, Primus, Minutemen, Soundgarden, Wu-Tang Clan, Lenny Kravitz, Chic, Happy Mondays, Eric B. & Rakim, Bad Brains, Suicidal Tendencies, Outkast, Pearl Jam and Massive Attack and at least over hundreds more.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 05.17.17 @ 07:09am


The Doors
Los Angeles, California
1965-1973
Inducted Members: Jim Morrison, Ray Manzarek, Robby Krieger and John Densmore

Inducted by Ian Astbury in 1993

Performed
Break on Through (To the Other Side)
Hello, I Love You
Light my Fire

All with Ian Astbury and Phil Chen

If there was one band that truly be called poetic, it's The Doors. Falling somewhere between blues, psychedelia, hard rock, pre-punk, pre-funk, jazz-fusion and avant garde. They became an absolute name in the 1960s' for amazing and terrible reasons. The amazing reasons stem through their body of work, home to classics like their 1967 self-titled debut album and 1971's L.A. Woman. Ray Manzarek defined the musical talent of the group with his creative and mesmerising keyboards, Robby Krieger packs their sound with these hypnotic guitar lines whilst John Densmore brings jazz-influenced drums in to the mix. Then there's Jim Morrison, whose soft baritone voice works wondrously with the music. He is also an a phenomenal poet with some truly dark songs alongside love songs that manage to completely save themselves from just being more bland love songs. However, Jim Morrison was a true rockstar in the sense of how far he was living on the edge, being busted for substance abuse and indecent exposure, domestic abuse and more and he ultimately lost his life in 1971 (most likely due to a drug overdose) at the young age of 27. That doesn't tarnish the band or his legacy in the slightest and many musical acts would tell you otherwise like Pearl Jam, The Cult, The Stooges and Iggy Pop, Bauhaus, Joy Division, Sioxusie & The Banshees, Echo & The Bunnymen, Jane's Addiction, Deep Purple, Alice Cooper, Patti Smith Group, Blue Öyster Cult, Guns N' Roses, Stone Temple Pilots, Nick Cave, Stone Temple Pilots, Killing Joke, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Ultravox, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, U2 and many other artists will help keep the band's legacy alive for centuries to come.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 05.17.17 @ 10:28am


The Jam
Woking, Surrey, England
1972-1982
Inducted Members: Paul Weller, Bruce Foxton and Rick Buckler

Inducted by Noel Gallagher in 2016

Performed
In the City
Down in the Tube Station at Midnight
Going Underground with Noel Gallagher and Johnny Marr

A lot was happening late '70s England with the arrival of punk which soon began to splinter off in to numerous genres like post-punk, new wave, new wave of british heavy metal, goth and then there was mod revival which was spearheaded by The Jam. Whilst The Sex Pistols strived to rid the world of progressive rock and other bands of those types, they didn't necessarily love those bands but they respected them. They combined all kinds of styles in to their punk sound including beat, soul, r&b and you can even hear traces of psychedelia in their sound. It's the chomping baselines of Bruce Foxton that drive these songs alongside drummer Rick Buckler helping to keep the rhythm section tight whilst Paul Weller sings and plays guitar effectively over the duo singing about political issues at the time like unneeded investment in nuclear weapons, class wars, police brutality and working class struggles eventually settling on songs with softer lyrical subjects and stronger senses of keyboards in the mix. Despite little recognition in the United States, in their native UK, they had several #1 hits and numerous tribute bands formed after their unfortunate demise. They've also influenced may groups like Oasis, Green Day, The Smiths, Blur, Manic Street Preachers, The Arctic Monkeys, Billy Bragg and you can hear traces of their sound in many other artists.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 06.2.17 @ 06:29am


In a few months from now, we will be electing our newest class of inductees into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hal Project; widely considered to be the Crown Jewel of this website and a good indication of who should go in the actual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I will get to showing you fellow posters my preliminary list of artists that I will be considering for my ballot in the fall. I do however have one artist in mind which I would like to get some opinions on for being considered an inductee into this project.

I am planning on putting Barbra Streisand onto my ballot by October. Possibly in the Performers category. Now I know a lot of people have very divisive opinions on Ms. Streisand; her music, her movies, her activism, her stardom. Personally, I grew up listening to her and even quite liking a number of her films. What has amazed me in the nearly 55 years (!) in the public spotlight has been not only her voice and personality which can adopt into any format. I genuinely have been impressed with Ms. Streisand's versatility and unique approach to being different. Barbra Streisand has done Broadway show tunes, the Great American Songbook, 70's and 80's pop, singer-songwriter influenced rock, vocal jazz, ballads, Christmas and holiday tunes, disco, electronic and new wave influenced music, duets, definitive covers, and even classical arias fitting a mezzo-soprano. I really cannot think of any other female artist that has done all these sorts of fields of music, aside from those we have already inducted. And it has been impressive and lasting in all fields and all eras.

I think Barbra Streisand should be inducted, perhaps even getting inducted into the actual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame down the line. She has won almost every other important life achievement award, save the Polar Music Prize and the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. Now if you want a precedent on a Streisand induction, have a look at Bobby Darin. Despite passing away at age 37, Bobby Darin had three different eras of music making. Two of them being 50's rock and his later folk and gospel tinged singer-songwriter approach which got him the widest acclaim and the posthumous honors. And yet, that same Bobby Darin spent about 5-6 years from 1958-1964 when at his peak; Mr. Darin was doing the Great American Songbook, show tunes, vocal jazz and the like. Basically a younger Frank Sinatra. Indeed, it is those types of Bobby Darin performances and songs which get the most radio and video attention to this day.

I suppose what I am saying is; if Bobby Darin can get inducted, then I believe there is far more than enough reasons to induct Barbra Streisand. She is already included in at least the Song Project so we have no excuse for not considering here. Let me know what you fellow posters think by responding.

Trying to find the Splish Splash video with an elephant being washed (I believe it was on Sesame Street first),

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Tuesday, 06.6.17 @ 22:06pm


Cross posting from the Revisited Page:

I have been working on a list of all the members that we have inducted into our Rock Hall Revisited/Projected projects. Normally I've been using the lists that Casper came up with to do his snub lists. This gets a bit harder when we get to bands and groups that have yet to be inducted into the Hall, but it's still manageable. Where it gets really hard is with the Backing Groups that we've inducted in the Sidemen Category.

So, I was hoping I could get some input from the regulars here about what members they feel should be inducted from the Backing Groups. Don't worry if a member had been inducted as an individual in the Sidemen category.

The first place to start is the group that has been giving me the most troubles: The Wrecking Crew. Obviously Carol Kaye, Jack Nitzsche, Hal Blaine, Jim Keltner, Earl Palmer, James Burton, Glen Campbell, Tommy Tedesco, Leon Russell, Steve Douglas, et. would be included, but I need some help picking out who else should be included.

After we come up with a good consensus we can move on to the other groups.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 06.7.17 @ 10:55am


God... The Funk Brothers, The Tennessee Three, The Jordanaires, Muscle Schoals Rhythm Section, The Memphis Horns, Crazy Horse, The Meters, The Revolution, The Blossoms, Sly & Robbie, The Sweet Inspirations and The Andantes would be good places to start out with I guess.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 06.7.17 @ 13:20pm


Nicky Joe: The question right now is what members should be inducted with The Wrecking Crew for our Rock Hall Revisited/Projected. After that I think The Funk Brothers would be a good group to look into.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 06.7.17 @ 14:38pm


Gassman,

I worked on my own list for the Revisited/Projected projects as well and the Wrecking Crew was one of the biggest conundrums I faced as well. As of now, these were the names I have listed:

Bill Aken, Doug Bartenfeld, Max Bennett, Chuck Berghofer, Lou Blackburn, Hal Blaine, Jimmy Bond, Bud Brisbois, James Burton, Red Callender, Glen Campbell, Frank Capp, Al Casey, Roy Caton, Gene Cipriano, Jerry Cole, Gary L. Coleman, Mike Deasy, Al De Lory, Steve Douglas, Dr. John, Chuck Findley, Jim Gordon, Rene Hall, Jim Horn, Richard “Slyde” Hyde, Plas Johnson, Carol Kaye, Barney Kessel, Larry Knetchel, Lew McCreary, Mike Melvoin, Jay Migliori, Ollie Mitchell, Tommy Morgan, Jack Nitzsche, Joe Osborn, Earl Palmer, Don Peake, Bill Pitman, Ray Pohlman, Don Randi, Lyle Ritz, Howard Roberts, Mike Rubini, Irv Rubins, Leon Russell, Louie Shelton, Billy Strange, Tommy Tedesco, Nino Tempo, Tony Terran, Julius Wechter

Thats a whopping FIFTY-THREE names, which feels like way too much, but the problem with the Wrecking Crew was that so many of them would come in and out over the years and its impossible to go through all of the recordings one by one to see who played on what, and thats even if its accurate or not. But I will say that when I was making my list, these 53 names were the ones that kept coming up. Its also the group with the largest amount of inducted members, if thats any relief, and believe me, I'm not the type to include every single member of every single band either. I hope this helps! Maybe we can whittle down from this list together.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 06.7.17 @ 16:52pm


Oh right. Billy Preston I guess.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 06.7.17 @ 16:54pm


Steve Z - Wow, yeah that number is crazy. However I agree with you that I don't automatically see anyone on that list that you could cut. It might just be easier to include add all of them. Do you have a list of who you included for the other big backing groups?

Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 06.8.17 @ 13:53pm


Sure thing! I also have:

The Funk Brothers - Richard “Pistol” Allen, Jack Ashford, Bob Babbitt, Benny Benjamin, Eddie “Bongo” Brown, Johnny Griffith, Joe Hunter, James Jamerson, Uriel Jones, Joe Messina, Earl Van Dyke, Robert White, Eddie “Chank” Willis (13 total)

Booker T. & the M.G.'s - Steve Cropper, Donald “Duck” Dunn, Al Jackson Jr., Booker T. Jones, Lewie Steinberg (5 total)

The Jordanaires - Hoyt Hawkins, Culley Holt, Bob Hubbard, Hugh Jarrett, Bill Matthews, Monty Matthews, Neal Matthews, Gordon Stoker, Ray Walker (9 total)

Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section - Barry Beckett, Pete Carr, Roger Hawkins, David Hood, Clayton Ivey, Jimmy Johnson, Albert S. Lowe Jr., Randy McCormick, Will McFarlane, Spooner Oldham (10 total)

The Tennessee Three - Marshall Grant, W.S. Holland, Luther Perkins, Bob Wootton (4 total)

Crazy Horse - Ralph Molina, Frank "Poncho" Sampedro, Billy Talbot, Danny Whitten (4 total)

The Meters - Zigaboo Modeliste, Art Neville, Cyril Neville, Leo Nocentelli, George Porter Jr. (5 total)

The Revolution - Matt “Atlanta Bliss” Blistan, Lisa Coleman, Matt “Doctor” Fink, Eric Leeds, Brown Mark, Susannah Melvoin, Wendy Melvoin, Bobby Z. (8 total)

Darlene Love & the Blossoms - Fanita James, Gloria Jones, Jean King, Darlene Love, Gracia Nitzsche, Carolyn Willis, Edna Wright (7 total)

The Andantes - Marlene Barrow, Louvain Demps, Jackie Hicks (3 total)

The Hi Rhythm Section - Howard Grimes, Charles Hodges, Leroy Hodges, Mabon “Teenie” Hodges, Al Jackson Jr., Archie Turner (6 total)

The Sweet Inspirations - Estelle Brown, Emily “Cissy” Houston, Sylvia Shemwell, Myrna Smith (4 total)

The Cookies/Raelettes - Gwendolyn Berry, Margie Hendricks, Dorothy Jones, Patricia Lyles, “Ethel” Darlene McCrea, Earl-Jean McCrea, Margaret Ross (7 total)

The Bar-Kays - James Alexander, Ronnie Caldwell, Ben Cauley, Carl Cunningham, Phalon Jones, Jimmie King (6 total)

The Love Unlimited Orchestra - Stella Castellucci, Gary L. Coleman, Nathan East, Wilton Felder, Kenny G., Ed Greene, Steve Guillory Sr., Glodean James, Linda James, Emmett North Jr., Gene Page, Ray Parker Jr., Dean Parks, Don Peake, Melvin “Wah Wah Watson” Ragin, Lee Ritenour, Diane Taylor, David T. Walker, Ernie Watts (19 total)

The J.B.'s - Bobby Byrd, Phelps “Catfish” Collins, William “Bootsy” Collins, Johnny Griggs, Clayton “Chicken” Gunnels, Darryl “Hasaan” Jamison, Robert McCollough, Maceo Parker, St. Clair Pinckney, Jabo Starks, Fred Wesley (11 total)


I included all of the project's sidemen group inductees, except for duos like the Memphis Horns, Jabo Starks & Clyde Stubblefield, Buddy Cox/Billy Miles, etc.


The Love Unlimited Orchestra and the J.B.'s were also troublesome for me, as it was hard to find who played on what and what the total number of members were, but like the Wrecking Crew, these were the names that kept popping up.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 06.8.17 @ 17:27pm


Just as a suggestion. If it's not a serious issue, do you maybe think it would make sense to move the 2011-2017 Inductees over to the Revisited? I know these were done back in 2010 but those seven ceremonies have since happened so it would make more sense to move them to the revisited page.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 06.16.17 @ 14:41pm


Joni Mitchell
Fort MacLeod, Alberta, Canada
1964-present

Inducted in 1997 by Steve Rothery

Performed
A Case of You
Free Man in Paris
Big Yellow Taxi with Steve Rothery and Tori Amos

Women in music are often looked down at and are usually degraded in to a vocalist position playing cutesy pop music and that's that. However, there are female musicians who have risen up to the occasion and challenged this stigma with Joni Mitchell being one such example. It's the way she combines folk with jazz, pop and rock and creates a truly original and amazing style which puts her amongst the greats in the singer-songwriter category and has proven to be arguably one of the greatest guitarists of all time and rightfully so. Her innovative style which includes non-standard tuning and her evolving right-hand picking techniques have influenced many guitarists including Steve Rothery and Mikael Akerfeldt which just go to show how wide of an influence she is on music. Her body of music has been largely influential on music far and wide with the likes of 1970's Leader of the Canyon 1971's Blue, 1972's For the Roses and 1974's Court & Spark appearing regularly on greatest albums lists. These albums (and the rest of her immaculate discography) have influenced countless artists including Madonna, Rush, Tori Amos, Counting Crows, Prince, Janet Jackson, George Michael, Led Zeppelin, Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Sonic Youth, Tool and Alanis Morissette and they all help prove why Joni Mitchell is such a musical legend.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 07.1.17 @ 18:08pm


Aerosmith
Boston, Massachusetts
1970-Present
Inducted Members: Steven Tyler, Joe Perry, Brad Whitford, Tom Hamilton, Joey Kramer, Jimmy Crespo and Rick Dufay

Inducted in 1999 by James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett

Performed
Dream On
Walk This Way
Sweet Emotion

During the 1970s’, the rock scene was whipping up quite a storm of fantastic bands who would become set in stone within moments of their career. Though a lot of the most memorable ‘70s groups hailed from Britain where you get the likes of Pink Floyd, Roxy Music, T. Rex, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Queen, Yes, Fleetwood Mac, Genesis, King Crimson, Judas Priest, The Sex Pistols, The Clash and several others. There were many American bands who could hold their own in battle like Kiss, ZZ Top, Heart, Blondie, The Stooges, New York Dolls, The Ramones, Blue Öyster Cult and of course, Aerosmith, the true epitome of how a 70s’ rock band was. They were completely party animals with their love of alcohol and drugs being rampant all through out the ‘70s and just the sheer amount of substances that Steven Tyler and Joe Perry used to indulge them gave them the nickname of the toxic twins. Just when they began fading in to obscurity in the late ‘70s, they made an impressive comeback in 1986 after a collab with hip hop group Run-D.M.C. re-recording their 1975 classic number “Walk This Way”, that blazed up the charts, helped revive their lost popularity and ever since then, their super train has show it isn’t interested in stopping at the station anytime soon. Combining hard rock with blues, funk, glam and heavy metal which gives them this slick, awesome sound. It’s the rhythm section of rhythm guitarist Brad Whitford, bassist Tom Hamilton and drummer Joey Kramer who create these tight, groovy, rocking numbers that in addition to some good headbanging, it can also get you dancing on the floor as proven by the likes of 1975s’ Toys in the Attic and the staple songs on that album, Sweet Emotion and Walk This Way whilst Joe Perry soars over them like an eagle with some just excellent guitar solos and the banshee whaling of Steven Tyler just adds to that monster sound the band has. They have been cited as an influence by many bands including Metallica, Van Halen, Guns N’ Roses, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, The Cult, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Skid Row, The Black Crowes, Stone Temple Pilots, Mötley Crüe and probably hundreds more have taken notes from the Bad Boys from Boston.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 07.2.17 @ 05:37am


Since its almost time for voting to begin again, I wanted to share my updated list of eligible artists that I feel are worthy of induction. The listed names are not in any particular order.


Classic Rock - The Sonics, Blue Oyster Cult, Foreigner, Mott the Hoople, Slade, the Association, Boston, Grand Funk Railroad, Joe Cocker, Herman's Hermits, Styx, the J. Geils Band, Supertramp, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, the Grass Roots, Kansas, Sweet, Huey Lewis and the News, George Thorogood and the Destroyers, Hanoi Rocks, Meat Loaf, Ringo Starr


R&B/Disco/Funk - The Moonglows, the Dells, Ben E. King, Chubby Checker, Jerry Butler, Brook Benton, Dionne Warwick, the Chantals, the Shangri-Las, the Chiffons, the Crystals, the Fifth Dimension, Kool and the Gang, the Commodores, KC and the Sunshine Band, Lionel Richie (LR should come after the Commodores)


Early Rock/Rockabilly - Neil Sedaka, Lesley Gore, Bobby Vee, Jack Scott, Petula Clark, Paul Anka, the Big Bopper, Bobby Rydell, Tom Jones, the Del-Vikings, Johnny Rivers, Sonny and Cher, Jay and the Americans, Bobby Vinton, Lou Christie


Soft Rock/Singer-Songwriter - Bread, John Denver, Gordon Lightfoot, Don McLean, Dan Fogelberg, Carly Simon, Cyndi Lauper, Phil Collins, Ray Stevens, Elliott Smith, Regina Spektor, Sufjan Stevens


Metal - Anthrax, Dio, Korn, System of a Down, Rob Zombie


Punk - The Damned, the Misfits, Minor Threat, Billy Idol, Discharge, Blink-182, Bikini Kill, Sleater-Kinney, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, Fear, the Dead Boys


Alternative/Post-Punk - Wire, the Fall, Gang of Four, Echo and the Bunnymen, Dinosaur Jr., the Go-Go's, Tears for Fears, Pere Ubu, the Stranglers, Killing Joke, the Jesus and Mary Chain


Industrial - Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire, Einsturzende Neubauten


Hip Hop/Rap - Ice-T, Snoop Dogg, Nas, Boogie Down Productions, Salt-N-Pepa, Cypress Hill, the Fugees, Ice Cube, Aesop Rock, the Sugarhill Gang, Whodini, Queen Latifah, Naughty By Nature, MC Lyte


Electronic/Krautrock - Popol Vuh, Tangerine Dream, Brian Eno, Pet Shop Boys, the Orb, Underworld, 808 State, the KLF, Orbital, Moby, Aphex Twin, Fatboy Slim, the Prodigy, the Crystal Method, Basement Jaxx, Portishead, Boards of Canada, Animal Collective


Modern Rock - Bush, Goo Goo Dolls, No Doubt, the Cranberries, Alanis Morissette, Lenny Kravitz, Gorillaz, the Killers, Uncle Tupelo, Neutral Milk Hotel, Suede, Pulp, Phish, the Strokes, Modest Mouse, Franz Ferdinand, Happy Mondays, Spacemen 3, Manic Street Preachers, Stereolab, the Black Keys


Influences - Benny Goodman, Bix Beiderbecke, Muggsy Spanier and His Ragtime Band, Artie Shaw, Glenn Miller, Fats Waller, Count Basie, Tommy Dorsey, Les Brown, the Andrews Sisters, Gene Krupa, Jimmy Dorsey, Buddy Rich, Thelonious Monk, Charles Mingus, Wes Montgomery, Sonny Rollins, Chet Baker, Stan Getz, the Dave Brubeck Quartet, Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, Sons of the Pioneers, Gene Autry, Loretta Lynn, Conway Twitty, Buck Owens, Jerry Reed, the Oak Ridge Boys, Dean Martin, Vaughn Monroe, Burl Ives, Amos Milburn, Wendy Carlos, Terry Riley, Philip Glass, Steve Reich, Allan Sherman, Spike Jonze


Non-Performers - Pierre Schaeffer, Bert Berns, Howard Greenfield, Cousin Brucie, Doctor Demento, The Electrifying Mojo, Jim Steinman, Robert "Bumps" Blackwell


Sidemen - "Daddy" Gene Barge, Martha Wash, Davy Johnstone, Alvin "Red" Tyler, Steve Stevens, Cozy Powell, Jennifer Batten, Spike Edney, Jaco Pastorius, Steve Morse, Rory Gallagher, His Ray-Men

I'd like to include the Del-Tones, but I haven't been able to get a clear sense of which members to induct.

Modern Rock, Electronic, Hip Hop, Alternative, and the Influence & Sidemen categories were the genres that got the most new additions. I want to thank the_Claw and Nicky Joe for turning me on to some of these names, specifically in the sidemen or influence categories. In each genre I have higher priorities than others, but essentially, these are all artists that I support and my ballot will consist of some assortment of these names, depending on momentum.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 08.19.17 @ 11:46am


Could someone tell me when we will start this procedure?

Thanks!

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 09.13.17 @ 14:39pm


Could someone tell me when we will start this procedure?

Thanks!

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 09.13.17 @ 14:39pm

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Usually we wait until the actual rock hall ballot comes out then get started on the rock hall projected voting a week later so my guess would be late October early November.

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 09.20.17 @ 16:40pm


Tom, thanks for the info.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 09.21.17 @ 09:49am


With the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominations to be released within the month its time to start thinking about contenders for the Rock Hall Projected. I'm still figuring out who I want to vote for but I'm curious to see what everyone thinks for the upcoming vote

Posted by Tom H. on Monday, 09.25.17 @ 11:19am


Well Tom H. I have my ballot ready and I plan on voting for

Anthrax
Aphex Twin
Dan Fogelberg
George Michael
Ministry
Queens of the Stone Age
Tori Amos

Non-Performers: Phil Ramone, Jimmy Iovine

Influences: Tampa Red, Terry Riley

Sidemen: Martha Wash, Paul Carrack


Posted by Greg F. on Monday, 09.25.17 @ 14:42pm


Well for my performers I'll go with

Gang of Four
Gorillaz
Sade
The Strokes
System of a Down
Tina Turner
Tori Amos

Non-Performers
Deborah Chessler
George Goldner

Influences
Bull Moose Jackson
Gene Krupa

Sidemen
Martha Wash
Terry Bozzio

Posted by Nicky Joe on Monday, 09.25.17 @ 15:27pm


I'll post what I currently have ballot-wise as well:

PERFORMERS:

I haven't pinned down my full list, but here is, basically, my finalists:

Adele
Aphex Twin
Billy Idol
Boyz II Men
Gang of Four
George Michael
The Pogues
Queens of the Stone Age
Throbbing Gristle
Tori Amos
Wire

NON PERFORMER:
Conny Plank
Mark Ronson

EARLY INFLUENCE:
The Last Poets
Wendy Carlos

SIDEMEN:
Martha Wash
MFSB

On the subject of Conny Plank: This is a man who is credited with having popularized, if not having started, krautrock and later influencing ambient and new wave with his production techniques. A man whose production credits include albums by Kraftwerk, Can, Neu!, Cluster, Brian Eno, Duke Ellington, D.A.F., The Tourists/Eurythmics, Ultravox, Harmonia, and La Düsseldorf, among many others. To me, that's a HOF-worthy legacy. I don't know if this will sway others, but this is a major part of the reason I feel he deserves the honor and I wanted to try getting him a push.

Posted by SotN on Monday, 09.25.17 @ 18:29pm


Wait..Adele is eligible now? That changes things for me.

I don't want to tip my hand too early-- partly because revealing one's votes beforehand surprises the fun of the voting process, imo. And also because I am still happy to be persuaded to vote for some other artist if someone is willing to make a good case.

Having said all that, some of the artists I'm ~considering~ are:

Adele
Mary J. Blige
TLC
Foreigner
Boston
Brian Eno
Amy Winehouse
The Commodores
The Pogues
Queens of the Stone Age
Indigo Girls
The Dells
Jimmy Buffett
Teddy Pendergrass/Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes

I will also be pushing for Wendy Carlos and Odetta as Influences, as well as longtime Elton John guitarist Davey Johnstone as a sideman.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Monday, 09.25.17 @ 20:56pm


I am not too sure when the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee will be revealing the nominees for the RRHOF Class of 2018. Hopefully within the next two or three weeks; whereby we can finally get to voting on our Crown Jewel of Future Rock Legends; the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project yearly induction! Since a number of fellow posters have come out and gave an idea of who they will be voting for; I figured now would be the best time to let people know who I am considering voting for. Now, this is not a final ballot, as that is still being planned. It is though a shortlist of potential new inductees. Let me know what you think of these artists for possible induction.

In the Performers category I am considering:

Barbra Streisand
Linkin Park
Rihanna
Lionel Richie
The Black Keys
Adele
The Killers
Lenny Kravitz
Aphex Twin
The Go-Go's/Belinda Carlisle
Joan Jett
Carly Simon
Girlschool/Kelly Johnson
Lady Gaga (eligible this year?)
Alan Parsons/Eric Woolfson/The Alan Parsons Project
Sleater-Kinney/Carrie Brownstein
Hole
Tori Amos
George Michael
Sade
Justin Timberlake
Dan Fogelberg
Foreigner
Tangerine Dream
Sting
Stevie Nicks
Amy Winehouse
Neil Finn (Crowded House and/or Split Enz too)
Natalie Merchant
Sharon Jones
Ultravox
Sarah McLachlan
Sheryl Crow
Teddy Pendergrass
Luther Vandross
Nas
Lauryn Hill
KRS-One
Mary J. Blige
Audioslave
Lucinda Williams
Ani DiFranco
Elliot Smith

the Non-Performers I am thinking about are:

Kevin Godley & Lol Creme
Jimmy Iovine
Jonathan Demme
Martin Scorsese
John Landis
Mark Ronson
the Houser Brothers (Grand Theft Auto)
Steve Jobs
Spike Jonze
David Foster

The Influences I am considering include:

John Williams
Loretta Lynn
Wendy Carlos
Ennio Morricone
Lena Horne
Odetta
Dave Brubeck
Glenn Miller
Rosemary Clooney
Terry Riley

And the Sidemen I think could go in are:

Jennifer Batten
Paul Carrack
Allan Holdsworth
Wayne Shorter
Jaco Pastorious
Chuck Leavell
Bill Evans

Again, Let me know what you think,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Wednesday, 09.27.17 @ 22:41pm


How come Martin Scorsese?

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 10.1.17 @ 14:00pm


I put forth Martin Scorsese in my list of Non-Performers for a number of reasons that are relevant with the Rock and Roll sphere. A short sampling include:

Directing and filming The Last Waltz.
Scorsese's subsequent collaborations in soundtrack and music curation with Robbie Robertson.
Directing the Michael Jackson video for Bad.
His innovative use of collecting songs in a number of movies and shows dating back to Mean Streets.

For a number of film fans and patrons of the arts, Martin Scorsese gave people a notice into the Rock and Roll field and the music it entails. When I hear "Jump Into The Fire", I instantly think of its usage in Goodfellas. And that is just one example. I am sure there are other examples to think of, both from fellow posters and myself.

Hope that answers your question and thank you for your insight,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Sunday, 10.1.17 @ 21:33pm


Well, now with the nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame having been announced; can we now start on our new induction class for the Crown Jewel of this website, the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project? If the webmasters see fit, I could start the voting processes.

Thank you for taking this inquiry,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Thursday, 10.5.17 @ 22:50pm


Lax- Unless I'm mistaken I think we start next Thursday.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.5.17 @ 23:42pm


Correct, we take one week after the nominations come out to discuss who we plan to vote for and then we vote. I'll have to look up exactly when the voting starts (since vote switching isn't allowed, we don't allow early voting) and ends exactly.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 10.9.17 @ 15:18pm


Here's the link to the list of newly eligible artists this year (the full list wouldn't post, reported as spam):

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/year.php?eligible_year=2032

Posted by Darren on Monday, 10.9.17 @ 16:26pm


Here are my top priorities for this year's Projected Hall Of Fame Class:

Queens Of The Stone Age - They've come one vote short each of the past two years and they released another critically acclaimed album in 2017. IMO, the most significant alternative band that we have yet to induct. They have a distinct sound, perfecting the desert rock sound that key members such as Josh Homme and Nick Oliveri defined in Kyuss and have a long track record of creating brilliant, critically acclaimed albums for 18 years. They will have one vote on my ballot.

Modest Mouse - 2015 saw the release of "Strangers To Ourselves", the long-awaited follow-up to "We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank". Modest Mouse existed on the fringes of indie rock for much of their first decade together before breaking out big time with their 2000 album "The Moon And Antarctica" and their monster hit single, 2004's "Float On". Critical acclaim and popular success have made them one of the biggest acts in the past two years of indie rock. They will definitely be on my ballot.

System Of A Down - They're often pigeon-holed in with lesser "nu-metal" bands, but in my opinion, they're they spiritual heirs to the political agit-punk legacy of The Clash, Public Enemy and Rage Against The Machine. It's a shame that they didn't release more albums before temporarily breaking up (they have yet to re-unite), but they are (by far) the best metal band currently eligible for this project, but not inducted. I will vote for them, but only if there's support enough to ensure it's not a wasted vote.

Generation X / Billy Idol - Generation X was one of the great bands of the early days of punk rock and their (vastly under-rated) singer / songwriter Billy Idol went on to become one of the biggest stars of the 80's rock / pop scene and one of the earliest icons of MTV. I can't guarantee that I'll vote for him (or any bands beyond QotSA, and Modest Mouse), but if there's enough support, they'll definitely have my vote.

The Jesus And Mary Chain - As the most prominent innovators of the shoegaze sub-genre of alternative rock and one of it's most successful artists, TJ&MC has become one of the most influential artists in modern alternative rock. They haven't gotten much traction in the past, but they're one of my top priorities if that changes this year.

Supertramp - Every year a "second-tier" classic rock band gains enough support to earn a spot in the next year's class. Is it Supertramp's turn now that Three Dog Night has been inducted?

Nas - My personal pick for the greatest eligible hip hop / rap artist that hasn't been inducted yet.

Muse - A consistently excellent indie rock band with a long track-record of great albums. That last one ("Drones"), though... Still, if my vote could put them over the top, it probably will.

Sleater-Kinney / Death Cab For Cutie - Two outstanding alt / indie bands with long track records of consistent excellence, capped off with tremendous new albums in 2015, Sleater-Kinney re-uniting and picking up right where they left off and Death Cab continuing their run at the top of their sub-genre.
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Newly Eligible Artists:

Adele - By far the biggest name on the ballot and the artist with the best chance of being inducted eventually. I don't think I'll vote for her this year, but it wouldn't surprise me if she got a lot of support.

Bon Iver - A critically acclaimed artist with a large following, but I don't think they'll break through the indie rock logjam.

Cage The Elephant - They're on the right track to be considered someday, but they'll need several more albums before they'll be on the radar.

Miley Cyrus - She's eligible now. Use this information as you will...lol

Vampire Weekend - Three brilliant albums to date. Probably the most significant indie pop/rock band of the past decade. They'll be high on my personal radar, but I don't think that they'll get the kind of traction that Arcade Fire did when they were first eligible.

The War On Drugs - They have the critical acclaim to be considered down the road, but nowhere near the cross-over success necessary to date.

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End-of-Ballot options (artists that are mid-level priorities for me, but might get my vote under the right circumstances), grouped by genre:


Female Alt-Rock Singer Songwriter (in order of preference) - Tori Amos / Fiona Apple / Aimee Mann / Liz Phair / Taylor Swift / Lily Allen / Alanis Morissette / St. Vincent

80's "Second-Tier" Alt-Rock - Violent Femmes / Tears For Fears / Social Distortion / Dinosaur Jr. / Minor Threat / They Might Be Giants

90's Alt-Rock - No Doubt / Hole / Counting Crows / Screaming Trees / Sublime / L7 / Rancid

00's Alt-Rock - Vampire Weekend / The National / The Killers / Kings Of Leon / The Strokes / Franz Ferdinand / Bright Eyes / Arctic Monkeys / Rilo Kiley / MGMT / Silversun Pickups

Classic Rock - Iggy Pop (solo) / Joan Jett And The Blackhearts / Blue Oyster Cult / Sweet

Hard Rock / Heavy Metal - Korn / White Zombie

Rap / Hip-Hop / R&B - Snoop Dogg / A Tribe Called Quest / Salt N Pepa / Cypress Hill / Ice Cube / Janelle Monae

Country / Singer-Songwriter - Willie Nelson (Early Influence? Many of his biggest hits were in the late 70's and early 80's!) / Garth Brooks / Patsy Cline / Sheryl Crow / Adele

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.10.17 @ 01:47am


I would add Gang of Four, Wire & Killing Joke to your 80s alt-rock list, Gorillaz to your 00s alt-rock list, System of a Down, Deftones & Mastodon on your Hard Rock/Heavy Metal list, Queen Laitfah & Sade to your Rap/Hip-Hop/R&B and Amy Winehouse to your Singer-Songwriter lists.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Tuesday, 10.10.17 @ 03:56am


Agreed, Nicky Joe. Darren's contenders are a very fine lot, but I would have added Amy Winehouse- who might well get my vote this coming week- to the fray.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Tuesday, 10.10.17 @ 05:27am


The Damned have never been inducted & they are still going strong (in 2017). They'll probably all be dead in 2032, but they are definite candidates, IMO.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10.10.17 @ 17:04pm


Hey guys, Paul K. here (not to be confused with the more regular member 'Paul in KY'). I used to be a somewhat frequent poster and participant in our various projects, but am still a frequent follower/lurker. I definitely will be coming back for Projected each and every year.

There are a few essentials I have. My personal top pick for best artist not inducted remains the gone-too-soon Elliott Smith, who will be on my ballot no matter what. Hopefully some other voters are willing to join me in this pet project.

The rest of my ballot is quite flexible. I'd like a metal artist. My top choice BY FAR is Death, but I've seen no other support for them. Anyone? I could get behind System of a Down or Anthrax if support looks good.

2 of my slots will go to modernish alt-rock/indie bands. My #1 pick is Modest Mouse. Would also vote for Arctic Monkeys, Muse, Death Cab for Cutie, The Strokes, The Killers, The Postal Service... and some 80s alt-bands like Tears for Fears or Wire could get my vote too. I will pretty much get behind whichever two have the most support.

As for my last three votes:
One WILL go towards one a guilty pleasure classic rock staple (Foreigner, Boston, Blue Oyster Cult, REO Speedwagon) that has had an important impact on pop culture. I think we should get these populist bands over with, as the inevitable earworms have a place in the hall too.

Another will go to an R&B/Disco artist. I think a really great choice is Chubby Checker. He's no true one-hit wonder, but might as well be. That one song completely changed the pop landscape as much as just about any song by any artist already inducted. I'd also support The Commodores, Kool & the Gang, and Ben E. King. I don't see much support, but I could pass a vote to TLC or Boyz II Men too for the way they defined 90's R&B.

My last vote can go to any number of things that I support depending on how their outlook is. I'd like to see who others are supporting.

So to wrap it up, my ballot plan is as follows:

1. Elliott Smith (locked, no matter what)
2. Metal band (Death is most wanted)
3. alt-rock/indie band (see above)
4. alt-rock/indie band (see above)
5. classic rock
6. r&b/disco
7. ???

Posted by Paul K. on Tuesday, 10.10.17 @ 22:56pm


Right now, my ballot is:

1) Dionne Warwick
2) The Commodores (with Lionel Ritchie)
3) The Damned
4) Queens of the Stone Age
5) Blink-182
6) Open
7) Open

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.11.17 @ 11:45am


I only have three artists definite for my ballot: Aphex Twin, George Michael and the Commodores. Otherwise, I'm looking to include:

A hip hop act
A '60s pop act
An '80s indie rock act
And at least one female act (if not covered by my other picks)

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 10.11.17 @ 13:11pm


Just a reminder that many Brian Eno supporters backed Carole King last year, hoping that the favor would be returned this year. We have inducted 9 albums that can be credited to Brian Eno, not including his works with Roxy Music or albums he produced. 9 albums and no induction yet?!?

Queens of the Stone Age, George Michael, System of a Down, Korn, NaS, Snoop Dogg, Sleater-Kinney, Death Cab For Cutie, The Moonglows, the Dells, Ben E. King, The Shangri-Las, and probably others.

If I had to go with a Classic Rock group, Foreigner would be my preference.

Just a reminder that we do not have an Early Influence category, only an influence category. It is designed for genres that predate the invention of Rock and Roll. Blues, 20th Century Classical, Country, Folk, Gospel, Jazz, Pre-Rock R&B and Traditional Pop. It can also include rockers that influenced a certain aspect of the Rock and Roll art form, but not entirely worthy of a performer induction (Screaming Jay Hawkins).

Bob Johnston (look him up, he was hugely important in the late 60's/early 70's country rock scene and Bob Dylan) and Conny Plank my top choices for a non-performer. Not sure yet on Influences and Sidemen.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.11.17 @ 15:31pm


Here are some of the albums that Bob Johnston produced:

Bob Dylan: Highway 61 Revisited (with the exception of "Like a Rolling Stone") (1965), Blonde on Blonde (1966), John Wesley Harding (1967), Nashville Skyline (1969), Self Portrait (1970), New Morning (1970)

Simon & Garfunkel: Sounds of Silence (1966), Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme (1966)

Johnny Cash: At Folsom Prison (1968); The Holy Land (1969); At San Quentin (1969); Hello, I'm Johnny Cash (1970); The Johnny Cash Show (1970); I Walk the Line (1970); Little Fauss and Big Halsy (1971)

Leonard Cohen: Songs from a Room (1969), Songs of Love and Hate (1971), Live Songs (1973)

The Byrds: Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde (1969)

He also produced records for: Patti Page, Marty Robbins, Flatt & Scruggs, Burl Ives, Pete Seeger, Jimmy Cliff, John Mayall, Willie Nelson, and Carl Perkins.

Finally, early in his career he wrote songs performed by Elvis Presley and Bill Haley & His Comets.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.11.17 @ 15:38pm


I'll throw in my support for Tori Amos. George Michael, The Prodigy and Cliff Richard & The Shadows remain top priorities for me. Furthermore, I am considering Robert "Bumps" Blackwell for Non-Performer and Amos Milburn for Influence.

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 10.11.17 @ 19:29pm


So, just out of curiosity, when is voting slated to begin?

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Thursday, 10.12.17 @ 10:12am


10 pm central tonight to start voting, ending at 11 pm central on the 19th?

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.12.17 @ 16:22pm


Muse and Billy Idol. Very deserving, let's get them in.

Sweet too for 70s glam

Posted by jtrichey on Thursday, 10.12.17 @ 23:12pm


Voting is now open and will close on Thursday, October 19th at 10 PM Central Time (votes will be accepted until 11 PM Central).

Couple rules to remember:

- Each person will be given 7 votes for Performers, 2 votes for Non-Performers, 2 votes for Influences, and 2 votes for Sidemen

- You do not have to vote for every category, but you must provide a full ballot for your vote to count for the given category. Example: A ballot with 4 Performers or a ballot with 1 Sideman will not be counted for that given category.

- Vote changes are allowed within 24 hours of posting your ballot. After 24 hours, no further changes will be counted.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 00:18am


Performers:

Foreigner
Queens of the Stone Age
The Commodores
System of a Down
Tori Amos
Nas
Brian Eno

Posted by BSLO on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 00:47am


Performers
The Killers
Minutemen
Queens Of The Stone Age
The Roots
The Sonics
Swans
Sweet

Posted by Dan on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 01:11am


Anthrax
Aphex Twin
Tori Amos
George Michael
Queens of the Stone Age
Dan Fogelberg
Ministry

Non-Performers:

Jimmy Iovine
Mark Ronson

Influence:

Terry Riley
Wendy Carlos

Sidemen:

Martha Wash
Paul Carrack

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 01:20am


All right, let's give this a spin:

PERFORMERS:

Adele
Aphex Twin
George Michael
The Pogues
Queens of the Stone Age
Tori Amos
Wire


NON PERFORMERS:

Conny Plank
Mark Ronson


INFLUENCES:

The Last Poets
Wendy Carlos


SIDEMEN:

Martha Wash
MFSB

Posted by SotN on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 01:41am


I haven't participated in any of the FRL projects for a while so might as well do this one here.

Performers:

Aphex Twins
Sarah McLachlan
George Michael
Nas
Queens of the Stone Age
The Roots
Sleater-Kinney

Non-Performer:

Jimmy Iovine
Bob Johnston

Early Influence:

Charlie Parker
Wendy Carlos

Sidemen:

Martha Wash
Paul Carrack

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 01:48am


John R.C.- Charlie Parker was inducted last year.

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 01:57am


Thank you, Darren- a great to see so many FRL folks here.

Performers:

Adele
Brian Eno
Jimmy Buffet
Mary J. Blige
Queens of the Stone Age
The Commodores
Tori Amos

Influences:

Odetta
Wendy Carlos

Sidemen:

Davey Johnstone
Martha Walsh

Non-Performer:

Robert "Bumps" Blackwell
Greil Marcus

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 02:06am


Wait...24 hour rule...I'm switching my Jimmy Buffett vote to The Pogues.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 02:09am


I'm going to invoke the 24-hour change rule myself:

I'll change my Wire vote to one for Brian Eno as a performer.

Posted by SotN on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 02:14am


Performers
Gang of Four
Gorillaz
Sade
The Strokes
System of a Down
Tina Turner
Tori Amos

Non -Performers
Deborah Chessler
George Goldner

Influences
Bull Moose Jackson
Gene Krupa

Sidemen
Jaco Pastorius
Martha Wash

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 02:29am


I'll be changing my Early Influence vote for Charlie Parker to Odetta.

Posted by John R.C. on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 03:20am


Performers:
Amy Winehouse
The Pogues
The Jesus & Mary Chain
Sting
Ben E. King
The Sonics
Tori Amos

Influences:
Son House
Patti Page

Non-Performers:
Moe Asch
Bob Crewe

Sidemen:
Lisa Germano
Jaco Pastorius

Posted by MichaelEU on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 08:53am


It looks like I'll be dropping in again this year,
and Paul K., I also have Death as a top priority in the Metal slot. If I deviate from that, it'll probably be for Dream Theater, though only if they start seeing a lot of support before I finalize my ballot. Other top priorities in my metal queue would include Celtic Frost, Bathory, Darkthrone, Burzum, Helloween, Mayhem, Paradise Lost, and Neurosis.

I'll also be going back to pounding the drum for Bert Jansch again this year. Only was the father of British folk rock, was a major influence on the acoustic side of Led Zeppelin (and was ripped off on occasion), Mike Oldfield learned to play guitar listening to him, and he also was an influence on Neil Young, Paul Simon, Nick Drake, Johnny Marr, Donovan, Roy Harper, Elton John, and the Fleet Foxes, among others.

I'll also be including The Sonics, who are IMO one of our major omissions.

Other thoughts:

Ideally, I'd like for the final four slots to cover Punk, Industrial/Krautrock/Electronic, Alternative/Post-Punk/Goth, and the more assorted Classic Rock/R&B/Prog/Blues/Proto and Early Metal. But we'll see.


Punk

I'm thinking The Damned in this slot, with Minor Threat, Discharge, and Richard Hell and the Voidoids not far behind. Other priorities include D.R.I, Suicidal Tendencies, Circle Jerks, Minutemen, Bad Religion, The Misfits, Siege, The Descendents, The Exploited, Sunny Day Real Estate, Meat Puppets, The Melvins, Flipper, The Wipers, Cap'n Jazz, and Blink-182.


Industrial/Krautrock/Electronic

I'm thinking Brian Eno here, though I'd really like to get Killing Joke here ASAP. Other priorities include Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire, Gary Numan, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Tangerine Dream, Popol Vuh, The Human League, Faust, Ultravox, Laibach, Death in June, Orb, The Orbital, and Aphex Twin.


Alternative/Post-Punk/Goth

I'll probably have Wire here, with The Fall, Swans, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Dinosaur, Jr., and Talk Talk all waiting in the wings. Other priorities include Slint, PIL, Gang of Four, Cocteau Twins, Magazine, The Birthday Party, Happy Mondays, Stereolab, Built to Spill, Neutral Milk Hotel, Dead Can Dance, Sisters of Mercy, Elliott Smith, Suede, and Guided By Voices.


Classic Rock/R&B/Prog/Blues/Proto and Early Metal

This is probably the most flexible category, and it's possible that I swap it out for one of the artists mentioned above. But if I go with it, ideally I'd be looking at one of John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers, Rory Gallagher, Nico, and Blue Cheer, with other priorities including UFO, The Shangri-Las, Blue Oyster Cult, Wishbone Ash, Uriah Heep, Rainbow, Scorpions, Cliff Richard and the Shadows, Vanilla Fudge, The Soft Machine, Free, Boston, Junior Walker and the All-Stars, Joe Tex, Hawkwind, and Budgie.


To summarize (again, tentative):

1. Death [Metal slot]
2. Bert Jansch
3. The Sonics
4. [Punk slot] probably The Damned
5. [Industrial/Krautrock/Electronic] probably Brian Eno
6. [Alternative/Post-Punk/Goth] probably Wire
7. [undetermined]

Don't know yet about the other categories, though I remember someone back when encouraging me to vote for Luther Vandross, and it occurred to me that he might have a good case in the Sidemen category for his work for a number of key artists as a sought-after backing vocalist. I can't speak to whatever innovation or influence he may have had as a solo artist, though I know that his vocal ability drew praise. But Sidemen may or may not be the best way to honor him, should he merit it.

I'm also considering Patrick Gleeson in the Sidemen category, for his groundbreaking work with the use of synthesizers in a live setting.


General Thoughts:

I was pleasantly surprised to see that despite some remaining key names, we've done a pretty good job getting through the Alternative backlog (I had thought there'd be more). Metal remains a weakness, and we've yet to really touch on Industrial (though I think we've about covered Krautrock), with plenty of Punk artists in the backlog (though we've made some headway there). Hope to clear through a little more again this year.

Posted by Ray on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 09:22am


Performers:
Tori Amos
Mary J. Blige
Jeff Buckley
George Michael
Alanis Morissette
The Prodigy
Cliff Richard & The Shadows

NPs:
Robert “Bumps” Blackwell
The Neptunes

Sidemen:
Daddy Gene Barge
MFSB

Influences:
Amos Milburn
Joe Liggins

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 16:47pm


We are now at the time when Future Rock Legends influences the actual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. That would be the newest class of inductees into the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project. The Crown Jewel of the website; and a fair indicator of ho should go in the actual RRHOF itself. I have now finalized my ballot for the Projected Class of 2033. Without further ado, here are the artists and people and groups that I have deemed to be on my ballot this year.

Performers

Barbra Streisand
Sting
Tori Amos
Linkin Park
George Michael
Rihanna
Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings

Non-Performers

Jimmy Iovine
Godley & Creme

Influences

Wendy Carlos
John Williams

Sidemen

Paul Carrack
Allan Holdsworth

My thanks and utmost appreciation to those at Future Rock Legends for continuing and maintaining this highly important website. In an internet society that seems more focused on trolling and demeaning people; this website and what we do here is a positive beacon to honor, to discuss, and to influence. I have been here 9 years and I have seen first hand our influence and importance grow and prosper. Let this continue.

Now approaching once more the calm in the 17th section of Blint's Tune,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 17:06pm


Tori Amos
Aphex Twin
The Commodores
The Jesus and Mary Chain
George Michael
Nas
The Shangri-Las

Non-Performers:

Lee Hazelwood
Jimmy Iovine

Influences:

The Last Poets
Ennio Morricone

Sidemen:

Raphael Ravenscroft
Martha Wash (although part of me wants to pair her with her fellow Two Tons o' Fun/Weather Girls singer, Izora Armstead)

Posted by Ian on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 17:35pm


Performers

Brian Eno
George Michael
Nas
Queens of the Stone Age
The Commodores
The Pouges
Tori Amos

Non-Performers

Bob Johnston
Conny Plank

Influences

Loretta Lynn
Odetta

Sidemen

Davey Johnstone
MFSB

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 17:58pm


Performers:
Elliott Smith
Death
System of a Down
Modest Mouse
Arctic Monkeys
Foreigner
The Commodores

Influences:
Charles Mingus
Glenn Miller

Posted by Paul K. on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 21:05pm


Performers:
The Dells
The Moonglows
The Tokens
The Commodores
Ringo Starr
Chubby Checker
Rihanna

Non-Performers:
Bob Crewe
Cousin Brucie

Influences:
Amos Milburn
Glenn Miller

Sidemen:
The Applejacks
The Dreamlovers

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.13.17 @ 23:57pm


Performers
Foreigner
Minor Threat
System Of A Down
The Killers
The Misfits
The Sonics
The Strokes

Posted by Logan on Saturday, 10.14.17 @ 10:12am


Performers:

The Pogues
Tori Amos
Aphex Twin
Queens of the Stone Age
Rihanna
Jesus & Mary Chain
Nas

Non-Performer:

Lee Hazlewood

Once again, the indie rock vote is so divided and fractures that there's little to support there. It's also clear that half the voters won't real;y go for ANY of those sort of names, so good luck trying to get in Modest Mouse or Wire in future years. Obviously, my ballot this year is basically seven names that I could live with getting in that seem to have gained traction early in the voting. Good enough.

And for the record, I'm not voting in any of the other side categories or changing my ballot in the next 24 hours. Thanks.

Posted by Casper on Saturday, 10.14.17 @ 12:26pm


Adele

Ben E. King

George Michael

Rihanna

System of a Down

The Commodores

The Jesus and Mary Chain

Posted by Austin on Saturday, 10.14.17 @ 13:17pm


Aphex Twin
Brian Eno
George Michael
Nas
Queens of the Stone Age
The Pouges
Tori Amos

NP:

Bob Johnston
Conny Plank

Inf:

The Last Poets
Wendy Carlos

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.14.17 @ 13:28pm


Looks like I'm the only vote for Sublime which is a shame. by the way what happens if theres a tie?

Performers -
George Michael
Foreigner
System of a Down
Rihanna
The Jesus and Mary Chain
Sublime
The Commodores

Influences -
Gene Autry
Burl Ives

Non-Performers -
Sharon Osbourne
Simon Cowell

Posted by Josh on Saturday, 10.14.17 @ 13:41pm


Josh - In the event of a tie we do a tie breaker round, which is a ranked vote ballot of all of the tied acts. It happens more often than not.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.14.17 @ 14:08pm


Went with a very R&B Pick-7.

The Commodores
The Faces/The Small Faces
Ben E. King
Petra
Rihanna
Rufus & Chaka Khan
Percy Sledge

Non-Performers:
Bob Crewe
Bob Ezrin

Influences:
Amos Milburn
Glenn Miller

Posted by Frankward on Saturday, 10.14.17 @ 16:52pm


Anthrax
Ben E. King
Billy Idol
Death
Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes
Luther Vandross
Tori Amos

Influences:
Terry Riley
The Last Poets

Sidemen:
Dick Parry
The Mar-Keys

Non-Performers:
Estelle Axton
Phil Chess

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 10.14.17 @ 18:58pm


Final ballot:

Death
Bert Jansch
The Sonics
The Pogues
Brian Eno
The Jesus and Mary Chain
Aphex Twin

Influences:
Amos Milburn
Glenn Miller

Non-Performers:
Conny Plank
Bob Johnston

Sidemen:
Martha Wash
MFSB

Posted by Ray on Sunday, 10.15.17 @ 06:46am


Great choices for non-performers, dmg! It highlights that we have made the same mistake as the Hall by choosing only one part of a duo of studio owners. There is no good reason to choose Jim Stewart but not Estelle Axton or to choose Leonard over Phil Chess. These two will be high on my radar.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 10.15.17 @ 11:19am


Agreed, made a note of them.

Posted by Ray on Sunday, 10.15.17 @ 13:48pm


7 votes for Performers:


Gang of Four
Amy Winehouse
Ringo Starr
The Faces/The Small Faces
Percy Sledge
George Michael
Sweet

Posted by Darrin A on Monday, 10.16.17 @ 04:49am


Performers:

The Commodores
Aphex Twin
System of a Down
Brian Eno
The Jesus & Mary Chain
Nas
The Sonics

Non-Performers:

Robert “Bumps” Blackwell
Cousin Brucie

Influences:

Wendy Carlos
Glenn Miller

Sidemen:

Martha Wash
“Daddy” Gene Barge

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 10.16.17 @ 23:32pm


Casper - You only voted for one Non-Performer (Lee Hazelwood). You need to to vote for two Non-Performers for your ballot in that category to be counted.

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.17.17 @ 08:30am


My Ballot:

The Commodores
Queens of the Stone Age
Dionne Warwick
Tori Amos
The Pogues
System of a Down
Brian Eno

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10.17.17 @ 14:47pm


I'll give my second non-performer vote to Phil Chess.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.17.17 @ 21:45pm


Performers -
Foreigner
Rihanna
Rufus & Chaka Khan
Sweet
The Commodores
The Moonglows
The Killers

Non-Performers -
Cousin Brucie
D.A. Pennebaker

Sidemen -
Davey Johnstone
Marsha Wash

Influences -
Glenn Miller
Odetta

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 10.17.17 @ 21:48pm


Forgot Adele was eligible so ignore my previous post -

Performers -
Adele
Foreigner
Rihanna
Rufus & Chaka Khan
Sweet
The Moonglows
The Killers

Non-Performers -
Cousin Brucie
D.A. Pennebaker

Sidemen -
Davey Johnstone
Marsha Wash

Influences -
Glenn Miller
Odetta

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 10.17.17 @ 21:50pm


Here's where things currently stand on the voting. (Hopefully, someone will correct me if I am in error.)

Tori Amos- 14
George Michael- 11
The Commodores- 11
Queens of the Stone Age- 10
Aphex Twin- 8
Brian Eno- 8
System of a Down- 8
The Pogues- 8
Nas- 7
Rihanna- 7
The Jesus & Mary Chain- 7
Foreigner- 5
Sonics- 5
Adele- 4
Ben E. King- 4
Death- 3
Sweet- 3
The Killers- 3

Two votes apiece for: Amy Winehouse, Anthrax, Gang of Four, Mary J. Blige, Percy Sledge, Ringo Starr, Rufus/Chaka Khan, Sting, The Faces/Small Faces, The Moonglows, The Roots, The Strokes,

One solitary vote for: Minutemen, Swans, Dan Fogelberg, Ministry, Sarah McLachlan, Sleater-Kinney, Gorillaz, Sade, Tina Turner, Jeff Buckley, Alanis Morissette, Prodigy, Cliff Richard & the Shadows, Babs, Linkin Park, Sharon Jones, Shangri-Las, Elliott Smith, Modest Mouse, Arctic Monkeys, The Dells, The Tokens, Chubby Checker, Minor Threat, Misfits, Sublime, Petra, Billy Idol, Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes, Luther Vandross, Bert Jansch, and Dionne Warwick.

A tip of the hat to the single voter who picked Sleater- Kinney-- a strong choice that will definitely an act I'll consider next year.

Fascinating stuff-- I never would have predicted that Tori Amos would be the front-runner when we began this.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Tuesday, 10.17.17 @ 22:47pm


Recommended here by my friend Josh! Looks like a fun project. I think I understand the rules

I vote for -

Alanis Morissette
The Jesus & Mary Chain
Little Feat
QOTSA
Rihanna
Supertramp
System of a down

Posted by Rewd on Tuesday, 10.17.17 @ 23:52pm


Performers -
Billy Idol
Foreigner
Rufus & Chaka Khan
Sweet
The J. Geils Band
The Moonglows
The Small Faces/The Faces

Posted by Dave on Wednesday, 10.18.17 @ 14:10pm


Let me also say how delighted I am that we don't have a 70s/80s classic rock icon within spitting distance of getting into the Rock Hall Projected this year. Nothing against that genre- I think we all love it, to varying degrees- but I think we're realizing that we've beaten this horse dead.

Instead we might have a class with a legendary pop star, a singer-songwriter, an alternative act or two, an electronic/ambient act or two, and an R&B artist or two. Pretty cool.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Wednesday, 10.18.17 @ 20:51pm


My votes:

Performers:

Queens Of The Stone Age
System Of A Down
Tori Amos
The Jesus And Mary Chain
Nas
Billy Idol
Modest Mouse


Non-Performers:

Jimmy Iovine
Mark Ronson


Influences:

Loretta Lynn
The Last Poets

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 10.18.17 @ 23:52pm


Reminder - Voting ends at 10 PM Central on Thursday the 19th. Votes will be accepted until 11 PM Central on Thursday the 19th, but any vote posted after 11 will not be eligible.

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 10.19.17 @ 00:06am


Shaping up to be a shitty class in my un-humble opinion


Aphex Twin
The Jesus & Mary Chain
Foreigner
Sweet
The Killers
Billy Idol
Muse

Posted by jtrichey on Thursday, 10.19.17 @ 01:06am


Performers:

Aphex Twin
Blue Oyster Cult
Queens of the Stone Age
Rihanna
Sleater-Kinney
Snoop Dogg
System of a Down

Posted by EDS on Thursday, 10.19.17 @ 01:25am


Performers

Adele
Brian Eno
Queens of the Stone Age
System of a Down
The Commodores
The Faces/The Small Faces
The Moonglows


Non Performers

Conny Plank
Cousin Brucie


Influences

John Williams
Wendy Carlos


Sidemen

Jaco Pastorius
MFSB

Posted by Tom H. on Thursday, 10.19.17 @ 07:14am


FYI, comments prior to this year have been archived. Hopefully that makes this page easier to navigate.

Posted by FRL on Thursday, 10.19.17 @ 10:57am


Appreciate it, FRL!

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 10.19.17 @ 12:38pm


FRL,

Thanks, that should make some lives easier.



AlexVoltaire,

I mostly agree. Very interesting class here I look forward to reading discussions of and assessing myself. Not a lot here I'm personally just in love with, but of the ten or so extremely varied artists who could possibly get in at this point, I think they all have great amounts of unsung influence. There are no mistakes among the artists with 9 or more votes. They'll definitely make the cases for their peers in their respective niches stronger. A good year for our backlog.

Posted by Paul K. on Thursday, 10.19.17 @ 19:06pm


This looks like it will be a decent class, but probably not one that will "really" please anybody. It's definitely diverse, but I agree that there's nobody on track to get in that I really feel strongly about.

At the very least, there are 4 acts that have been close for a few years that look like they are finally going to make it (QOTSA, SOAD, The Commodores and George Michael). There should be some opportunities for new acts to gain traction next year.

I would certainly support a renewed push for Wire next year, and continued support for The Jesus & Mary Chain. Those were that last two bands I cut from my ballot this year.

I agree that we've mostly exhausted the Classic Rock/80's rock eras. Even though that's my favourite music, there are probably only 6-8 acts that I would even consider supporting at any future point. I think Foreigner and The Sonics represent the best options left there, but they look like they split the vote this time around.

I like that we have shifted focus to more modern rock acts and the alternative side in recent years. I wouldn't mind us eventually circling back to some "second-tier" 90's acts like Sublime, No Doubt, Alanis Morrisette, Korn, etc., but there doesn't really seem to be the appetite yet.

Posted by BSLO on Thursday, 10.19.17 @ 20:16pm


Performer Voting is now closed.

Here are the final results (let me know ASAP if there are any errors):

Tori Amos - 15

Queens of the Stone Age - 14

System of a Down - 12
The Commodores - 12

George Michael - 11
___________________________

Aphex Twin - 10
Rihanna - 10
The Jesus And Mary Chain - 10
___________________________

Brian Eno - 9

Nas - 8
The Pogues - 8

Foreigner - 7

Adele - 5
Sweet - 5
The Sonics - 5

Ben E. King - 4
Billy Idol - 4
Rufus & Chaka Khan - 4
The Faces / Small Faces - 4
The Killers - 4
The Moonglows - 4

Death - 3
Mary J. Blige - 3
Sleater-Kinney - 3

Alanis Morissette - 2
Amy Winehouse - 2
Anthrax - 2
Gang of Four - 2
Modest Mouse - 2
Percy Sledge - 2
Ringo Starr - 2
Sting - 2
The Roots - 2
The Strokes - 2
Tina Turner - 2

Arctic Monkeys - 1
Barbra Streisand - 1
Bert Jansch - 1
Blue Oyster Cult - 1
Bobby Vee - 1
Chubby Checker - 1
Cliff Richard & The Shadows - 1
Creed - 1
Dan Fogelberg - 1
Dionne Warwick - 1
Elliott Smith - 1
Europe - 1
Good Charlotte - 1
Gorillaz - 1
Great White - 1
Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes - 1
Hinder - 1
Hoobastank - 1
Jeff Buckley - 1
Limp Bizkit - 1
Linkin Park - 1
Little Feat - 1
Luther Vandross - 1
M.C. Hammer - 1
Melanie - 1
Milli Vanilli - 1
Ministry - 1
Minor Threat - 1
Minutemen - 1
Muse - 1
Nickelback - 1
Pat Boone - 1
Petra - 1
Poison - 1
Quiet Riot - 1
REO Speedwagon - 1
Sade - 1
Salt N Pepa - 1
Sarah McLachlan - 1
Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings - 1
Snoop Dogg - 1
Sublime - 1
Supertramp - 1
Swans - 1
Taylor Swift - 1
The Dells - 1
The J. Geils Band - 1
The Misfits - 1
The Prodigy - 1
The Shangri-La's - 1
The Tokens - 1
Theory Of A Deadman - 1
Toto - 1
Warrant - 1
Whitesnake - 1
Winger - 1


This vote count includes the following votes:

BSLO
Dan
Greg F.
SotN
John R.C.
AlexVoltaire
Nicky Joe
MichaelEU
The_Claw
Lax34
Ian
Gassman
Paul K
Philip
Logan
Casper
Austin
DarinRG
Josh
Frankward
dmg
Ray
Darrin A
Steve Z
Paul In Ky
Nick
Rewd
Dave
Darren
jtrichey
EDS
Tom H.
Ftr. S. Femme
DROULE E. SPEDDE
mooke r. weingard
Razzle Is God


The following artists have been inducted as a result of this vote:

George Michael
Queens of the Stone Age
System of a Down
The Commodores
Tori Amos


The following artists will be involved in a tiebreaker vote:

Aphex Twin
Rihanna
The Jesus And Mary Chain


Anyone who voted in this year's Performers ballot is eligible to participate in the tiebreaker vote.

To vote in the tiebreaker, rank all three performers in order of preference. The highest-ranking artist will receive 3 points, the second-highest 2 points and the lowest 1 point.

The two artists that receive the most points will be inducted as part of this year's class of inductees.

In the event of a tie, the first tiebreaker will be the performer that receives the largest number of highest votes (receiving 3 points) in the tiebreaker.

The second tiebreaker, if necessary, is a re-vote.

There will be two days of tiebreaker voting.

Tiebreaker voting will end at 10 PM Central (votes counted until 11 PM Central) on Saturday the 21st.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 01:38am


Non-Performer Voting is now closed.

Here are the final results (let me know ASAP if there are any errors):

Jimmy Iovine - 6
___________________________

“Cousin Brucie” Bruce Morrow - 4
Conny Plank - 4
___________________________

Bob Crewe - 3
Bob Johnston - 3
Lee Hazelwood - 3
Mark Ronson - 3
Robert "Bumps" Blackwell - 3

Phil Chess - 2

Bob Ezrin - 1
D.A. Pennebaker - 1
Deborah Chessler - 1
Estelle Axton - 1
George Goldner - 1
Godley and Creme - 1
Greil Marcus - 1
Moe Asch - 1
Sharon Osbourne - 1
Simon Cowell - 1
The Neptunes - 1


This vote count includes the following votes:

Greg F.
SotN
John R.C.
AlexVoltaire
Nicky Joe
MichaelEU
The_Claw
Lax34
Ian
Gassman
Philip
DarinRG
Josh
Frankward
dmg
Ray
Steve Z
Casper
Nick
Darren
Tom H.


The following Non-Performers have been inducted as a result of this vote:

Jimmy Iovine


The following Non-Performers will be involved in a tiebreaker vote:

"Cousin Brucie" Bruce Morrow
Conny Plank


Anyone who voted in this year's Non-Performers ballot is eligible to participate in the tiebreaker vote.

To vote in the tiebreaker, select your preferred non-performer of the two involved in the tiebreaker.

The non-performer that receives the most votes will be inducted as part of this year's class of inductees.

In the event of a tie, the last vote cast will be disqualified to break the tie.

There will be two days of tiebreaker voting.

Tiebreaker voting will end at 10 PM Central (votes counted until 11 PM Central) on Saturday the 21st.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 01:43am


Influence Voting is now closed.

Here are the final results (let me know ASAP if there are any errors):

Wendy Carlos - 8
Glenn Miller - 6
___________________________

The Last Poets - 5

Amos Milburn - 4
Odetta - 4

John Williams - 2
Loretta Lynn - 2
Terry Riley - 2

Bull Moose Jackson - 1
Burl Ives - 1
Charles Mingus - 1
Ennio Morricone - 1
Gene Autry - 1
Gene Krupa - 1
Joe Liggins - 1
Patti Page - 1
Son House - 1


This vote count includes the following votes:

Greg F.
SotN
John R.C.
AlexVoltaire
Nicky Joe
MichaelEU
The_Claw
Lax34
Ian
Gassman
Paul K
Philip
DarinRG
Josh
Frankward
dmg
Ray
Steve Z
Nick
Darren
Tom H.


The following Influences have been inducted as a result of this vote:

Glenn Miller
Wendy Carlos

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 01:45am


Sidemen Voting is now closed.

Here are the final results (let me know ASAP if there are any errors):

Martha Wash - 9
MFSB - 5
___________________________

Davey Johnstone - 3
Jaco Pastorius - 3
Paul Carrack - 3

"Daddy" Gene Barge - 2

Allan Holdsworth - 1
Dick Parry - 1
Lisa Germano - 1
Raphael Ravenscroft - 1
The Applejacks - 1
The Dreamlovers - 1
The Mar-Keys - 1


This vote count includes the following votes:

Greg F.
SotN
John R.C.
AlexVoltaire
Nicky Joe
MichaelEU
The_Claw
Lax34
Ian
Gassman
Philip
dmg
Ray
Steve Z
Nick
Tom H.


The following Sidemen have been inducted as a result of this vote:

Martha Wash
MFSB

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 01:47am


My tiebreaker votes:

The Jesus And Mary Chain - 3
Rihanna - 2
Aphex Twin - 1

"Cousin Brucie" Bruce Morrow

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 01:50am


Aphex Twin 3
The Jesus And Mary Chain 2
Rihanna 1


Conny Plank

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 01:56am


All three are worthy acts, but alternative is already represented in our class.

Rihanna- 3
Aphex Twin- 2
The Jesus and Mary Chain- 1

Conny Plank

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 02:20am


The Jesus & Mary Chain - 3
Aphex Twin - 2
Rihanna - 1

Conny Plank

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 02:25am


Tiebreaker:

Aphex Twin [3 Points]
The Jesus and Mary Chain [2 Points]
Rihanna [1 Point]


Cousin Brucie

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 02:25am


1. Aphex Twin (3 points)
2. The Jesus and Mary Chain (2 points)
3. Rihanna (A point)

This is absolutely nothing against Rihanna, but Aphex Twin was the act I was most interested in getting over the top this year, and J&MC was one of the final cuts before I made the finalist post. All three deserve in without question, but I'm sticking to my guns.


My Non Performer tiebreaker vote is Conny Plank.

Posted by SotN on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 03:20am


Aphex Twin
The Jesus & Mary Chain
Rihanna
(All 3 are deserving to get in; and whoever doesn’t is automatically on my ballot for next year)

Conny Plank

Posted by Ian on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 06:08am


The Jesus and Mary Chain - 3
Aphex Twin - 2
Rihanna - 1


Conny Plank

Posted by Ray on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 06:41am


1. Aphex Twin - 3pt
2. The Jesus and Mary Chain - 2pt
3. Rihanna - 1pt


NP: Conny Plank

Posted by The_Claw on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 07:25am


Aphex Twin- 3
The Jesus and Mary Chain- 2
Rhianna- 1

Conny Plank

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 07:33am


My tiebreaker votes:

Rihianna - 3
Aphex Twin - 2
Jesus & the Mary Chain - 1

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 09:39am


The Jesus and Mary Chain (3 points)
Aphex Twin
Rihanna (1 point)

Conny Plank

Posted by dmg on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 10:02am


Tiebreaker-

Rihanna (3)
Aphex Twin (2)
The Jesus and Mary Chain (1)

Posted by EDS on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 11:05am


Tiebreaker:

Jesus and Mary Chain - 3 points
Aphex Twin - 2 points
Rihanna - 1 point


I'm basically ordering my tiebreaker by the likelihood of the act being inducted here in the future. I know Rihanna is inevitable and I know Aphex Twin would likely just be a huge contender the next year.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 19:18pm


Hey, sorry to interrupt the voting, but there have been a number of votes that needed to be voided (you can't vote more than once using a different name - if you do, all votes get thrown out).

So, all of these have been removed: Razzle is God, mooke r. weingard, Ftr S Femme, DROULE E. SPEDDE, EDS, Logan, Austin, Josh, Frankward, and Rewd.

Someone please recount the legit ones.

Posted by FRL on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 22:05pm


Okay- here's my quick scribbling-on-a-cocktail-napkin version of the vote with those scofflaws' ballots eliminated. For simplicity, I'm only including artists who got more than 2.

Tori Amos- 15
Queens of the Stone Age- 12
George Michael- 9
Brian Eno- 9
Aphex Twin- 9
Commodores- 9
The Pogues- 8
Nas- 8
System of a Down- 7
Jesus & Mary Chain- 7
Sweet- 5
Faces/Small Faces- 5
Rihanna- 4
Adele- 4
Sonics- 4
The Moonglows- 4
Billy Idol- 4
Death- 3
The Killers- 3

Someone else with better record-keeping skills than I should absolutely confirm or refute this. But if I'm right, that means our class is:

Tori Amos
Queens of the Stone Age
George Michael
Brian Eno
Aphex Twin
The Commodores

With the last spot going to a tie between The Pogues and Nas.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 22:26pm


Thanks AlexVoltaire, I'm currently doing a recount as well and I'll see if our numbers match up.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 22:30pm


Small note: FRL didn't delete EDS's ballot, so keep that in mind.

Posted by SotN on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 22:38pm


One more note: the contaminated ballots also included votes in Non Performer and Influence. I did a quick search, and if the search is correct, taking out the contaminated ballots in Influence means we also have a tiebreaker between Glenn Miller and the Last Poets.

Posted by SotN on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 22:47pm


Okay- looking at the other categories, if I did this correctly,

1. No change with sidemen. Martha and MFSB are still the winners.

2. I agree that this changes the dynamic with Influences. Wendy Carlos is ahead, but I see a tie between Glenn Miller and The Last Poets (with Miller getting votes from Paul K, Philip, Ray, Steve Z, and Nick, while the Last Poets have votes from SotN, Ian, Darin, dmg, and Darren.)

3. Were the Non-Performer votes counted correctly the first time? I have five for Iovine (Greg F, John RC, Lax, Ian, and Darren), four for Cousin Brucie (Philip, Steve Z, Nick, and Tom), and yet five for Plank (Tom, Ray, Darin, Gassman, SotN)

Again- don't trust my record-keeping (my disastrous turn at substituting for Darren while he was away for a couple weeks is a testament to that!) But that's what a quick search is finding for me.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:13pm


Here is what I have:

Performers

Tori Amos 15
Queens Of The Stone Age 12
Aphex Twin 9
Brian Eno 9
George Michael 9
The Commodores 9
-----------------------
Nas 8
The Pogues 8
-----------------------
System Of A Down 7
The Jesus & Mary Chain 7
Foreigner 5
Sweet 5
Adele 4
Billy Idol 4
Rihanna 4
The Moonglows 4
The Sonics 4
Death 3
The Faces/The Small Faces 3
The Killers 3
Amy Winehouse 2
Anthrax 2
Ben E. King 2
Gang Of Four 2
Mary J. Blige 2
Modest Mouse 2
Ringo Staff 2
Rufus & Chaka Khan 2
Sting 2
The Roots 2
Alanis Morissette 1
Arctic Monkeys 1
Barbra Streisand 1
Bert Jansch 1
Chubby Checker 1
Cliff Richard & The Shadows 1
Dan Fogelberg 1
Dionne Warwick 1
Elliot Smith 1
Gorillaz 1
Harld Melvin & The Blue Notes 1
Jeff Buckley 1
Linkin Park 1
Luther Vandross 1
Ministry 1
Minutemen 1
Muse 1
Percy Sledge 1
Sade 1
Sarah McLachlan 1
Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings 1
Sleater-Kinney 1
Swans 1
The Dells 1
The J. Geiles Band 1
The Prodigy 1
The Shangri-Las 1
The Strokes 1
The Tokens 1
Tina Turner 1

Non-Performers

Conny Plank 5
Jimmy Iovine 5
-----------------------
Bob Johnston 4
Cousin Brucie 4
Mark Ronson 3
Robert "Bumps" Blackwell 3
Bob Crewe 2
Lee Hazelwood 2
Phil Chess 2
D.A. Pennebaker 1
Deborah Chessler 1
Estelle Axton 1
George Goldner 1
Godley & Crème 1
Greil Marcus 1
Moe Asch 1
The Neptunes 1

Influences

Wendy Carlos 8
-----------------------
Glenn Miller 5
The Last Poets 5
-----------------------
Odetta 4
Amos Milburn 3
John Williams 2
Loretta Lynn 2
Terry Riley 2
Bull Moose Jackson 1
Charles Mingus 1
Ennio Morricone 1
Gene Krupa 1
Joe Liggins 1
Patti Page 1
Son House 1

Sidemen

Martha Wash 10
MFSB 4
-----------------------
Davey Johnstone 3
Jaco Pastorius 3
Paul Carrack 3
Daddy Gene Barge 2
Allan Holdsworth 1
Dick Parry 1
Lisa Pastorius 1
Raphael Ravenscroft 1
The Applejacks 1
The Dreamlovers 1
The Mar-Keys 1

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:24pm


The following artists have been inducted as a result of this vote:

Aphex Twin
Brian Eno
George Michael
Queens Of The Stone Age
The Commodores
Tori Amos

The following artists will be involved in a tiebreaker vote:

Nas
The Pogues

Anyone who voted in this year's Performers ballot is eligible to participate in the tiebreaker vote.

To vote in the tiebreaker, rank all three performers in order of preference. The highest-ranking artist will receive 3 points, the second-highest 2 points and the lowest 1 point.

The two artists that receive the most points will be inducted as part of this year's class of inductees.

In the event of a tie, the first tiebreaker will be the performer that receives the largest number of highest votes (receiving 3 points) in the tiebreaker.

The second tiebreaker, if necessary, is a re-vote.

There will be two days of tiebreaker voting.

Tiebreaker voting will end at 10 PM Central (votes counted until 11 PM Central) on Sunday the 22nd.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:27pm


Wait, what the heck happened? I remember those first four names you listed being suspiciously similar names and pretty obvious joke ballots, but from what I remember those other names all had very different ballots.

Posted by Paul K. on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:27pm


The following Non-Performers have been inducted as a result of this vote:

Conny Plank
Jimmy Iovine

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:28pm


The following Influences have been inducted as a result of this vote:

Wendy Carlos

The following Influences will be involved in a tiebreaker vote:

Glenn Miller
The Last Poets

Anyone who voted in this year's Influences ballot is eligible to participate in the tiebreaker vote.

To vote in the tiebreaker, select your preferred influence of the two involved in the tiebreaker.

The influence that receives the most votes will be inducted as part of this year's class of inductees.

In the event of a tie, the last vote cast will be disqualified to break the tie.

There will be two days of tiebreaker voting.

Tiebreaker voting will end at 10 PM Central (votes counted until 11 PM Central) on Sunday the 22nd.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:31pm


The following Sidemen have been inducted as a result of this vote:

Martha Wash
MFSB

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:31pm


I should note that the Performers tiebreaker, one only needs to pick their preferred artist. There is no need to rank them.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:32pm


Nas

The Last Poets

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:35pm


Nas

Glenn Miller

and extremely confused.

Posted by Paul K. on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:37pm


My recount corroborates with AlexVoltaire except that I have only three votes for [Small] Faces, not five; and five votes for Foreigner. That doesn't affect the outcome though, as neither have enough votes to clear the bar.

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:43pm


Nas

Glenn Miller

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:46pm


Here are the acts who got additional votes from illegal votes:

Rihanna 6
System Of A Down 5
The Commodores 3
The Jesus & Mary Chain 3
Ben E. King 2
Foreigner 2
George Michael 2
Queens Of The Stone Age 2
Rufus & Chaka Khan 2
Sleater-Kinney 2
Adele 1
Alanis Morissette 1
Aphex Twin 1
Mary J. Blige 1
Percy Sledge 1
Swans 1
The Faces/The Small Faces 1
The Killers 1
The Sonics 1
Tina Turner 1

Here are the acts that only got votes from illegal votes:

Blue Öyster Cult
Bobby Vee
Creed
Europe
Good Charlotte
Great White
Hinder
Hoobastank
Limp Bizkit
Little Feat
M.C. Hammer
Melanie
Milli Vanilli
Minor Threat
Nickelback
Pat Boone
Petra
Poison
Quiet Riot
REO Speedwagon
Salt N Pepa
Snoop Dogg
Sublime
Supertramp
Taylor Swift
Theory Of A Deadman
The Misfits
Toto
Warrant
Whitesnake
Winger

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:48pm


My head absolutely hurts. <_<

My tiebreakers are the Pogues and, for Influence, the Last Poets.

Seriously, Brian Eno gets inducted into non-performer, irking some, and then he gets inducted in a complete Cluster (lol). The guy's had an interesting life in the FRL Rock Hall.

Posted by SotN on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:51pm


My heart is with the Pogues, but this class will be better rounded with Nas.

Nas

The Last Poets

Posted by DarinRG on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:52pm


So done with this site! You just threw away votes of five very real life people, my brothers and friends and I, just because all they came from the same computer without bothering to ask or verify anyone. If youre so worried about it, require login accounts. Thanks for wasting our time.

Posted by Logan GFY on Friday, 10.20.17 @ 23:53pm


Nas

The Last Poets

Posted by Greg F on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 00:04am


Woah, they changes things up a bit.


Here's my new tiebreaker votes:

Nas
Glenn Miller.


Shame to see what happened to System of a Down. Hopefully they can pull through next year.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 00:06am


System of a Down will get the spot that Queens of the Stone Age had on my ballot next year.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 00:10am


FRL: Out of curiosity, were the obvious joke ballots from the same IPs as the five non-joke ballots?

DarinRG: I feel the same way, honestly. I will stick to the Pogues since I was intending to vote for them for months, but Nas is easily the better fit in this ballot. Wouldn't be bent out of shape at all.

Must ask: even with as confusing the way this whole thing turned out, are you happy with the Eno induction as a proper performer?

Posted by SotN on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 00:13am


I can see the headline now:

"Scandal 'Rocks' Future Rock Legends Signature Event"

I'm glad it was caught. I'm glad I wasn't a part of it. I'm a tinier bit happier with the inductees.

Tiebreak:

Nas

Posted by jtrichey on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 00:28am


"Seriously, Brian Eno gets inducted into non-performer, irking some, and then he gets inducted in a complete Cluster (lol)."

*rimshot* On that theme, there were two incidents that necessitated our one vote per IP rule and the first was a slew of fake ballots voting for Can one year. The guy's heart was in the right place, but...

"Must ask: even with as confusing the way this whole thing turned out, are you happy with the Eno induction as a proper performer?"

It's been a point of contention around here for years with strong feelings on both sides. I always felt that he was "swept under the rug" into NP by voters who were R&B and classic rock obsessed and didn't want him taking up a performer spot and that it disrespected his substantial career as a performer. Others felt that inducting him into NP covered both. I'm curious if he's our only triple inductee other than Clapton. I haven't researched that.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 00:40am


"I can see the headline now:

"Scandal 'Rocks' Future Rock Legends Signature Event" "

LOL. Yeah, it's been pretty peaceful around here ever since I quit drinking. We needed some good drama.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 00:44am


So nobody is going to bother responding to my votes being takin away? Josh and Austin are my brothers. Frankie and Rewd are family friends. I had them vote from my computer at different points in the week when they were here. nowhere did I read this is against the rules. You need to make this clear as rain next time cause I am not happy. I didn't even tell them who to vote for and we all have very different tastes. 3 of us even have Twitter and we can message you separately there or can you at least count my vote?

Posted by Logan on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 00:50am


The Pogues

The Last Poets.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 00:52am


"I'm curious if he's our only triple inductee other than Clapton. I haven't researched that."

Neil Young was actually the first, then Eric Clapton for us. I believe Eno is the third. I don't think there are any others.

Posted by Gassman on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 01:17am


Uggh

Nas - Performer
Glenn Miller - Influence

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 02:22am


As for Enos induction as an influence... TOTAL, OVERKILL!!
He's already in as a non-performer and with Roxy Music and I feel like his credentials as a non-performer are more important than as a performer so I feel this third induction was unneeded.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 02:27am


Performer, my bad.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 02:27am


If results hold and none of the ballots are reinstated:

The Pogues

Glenn Miller


"I'm a tinier bit happier with the inductees."

Same lol, though I'd like to see how this all shakes out.

Posted by Ray on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 03:56am


I didn't participate in this and haven't in a very long time. I'm too far behind to even know what's going on with this project these days, but I do have one question.

Why were the obvious spam ballots even counted in the first place? I was reading this thread just cause I was curious to see who would get inducted, and I could tell from a mile away that those were spam ballots. Milli Vanilli, Vanilla Ice? Come on lol.


I'm really disappointed to see that Rihanna ended up finishing so low in the voting after all the "illegal" votes were taken away. I really wish she got more respect around here. She's in many ways the Janet Jackson of this generation and deserves more credit. An example being me nominating "Work" in the Song Project on a monthly basis, a song that was arguably the biggest song of 2016, and yet I'm the only person that votes for it each month. It'd be one thing if it was getting votes but just coming up short each month, but for me to be the only person that votes for it, especially considering I'm one of the people here that enjoys modern music the least, that's kind of sad lol.

Anyways, to address those whose votes were taken away. I'm sorry that that happened to you, but look at it from the website's perspective. I've been on this site for many years, and I've never seen you or your family members/friends post before. If you have, then that's my fault, but I've never seen you guys, so it would appear you're not regular posters. If you're not regular posters, than FRL (the people that run this site) are not gonna recognize you guys, and then you all post from the same computer, well that looks like spam profiles.

I would agree that the rules need to be made more clearer though. I think if this voting was a more regular thing like the Song and Album Projects are, people would be more familiar with the rules, but considering this happens only once a year, it's very easy to forget the rules. Heck I haven't participated in this thing in years, and I don't really know the rules for it anymore. It's a lot different then when it started (which I was a major part of at the beginning).

But sorry to those whose votes got taken away. My advice would be to stick around more and make yourself more known so we all know who you guys are.

And the rules in general for this project need to be more clearly stated I feel.

That's my take on the situation for what it's worth.

Posted by Donnie on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 04:19am


Nas

The Last Poets

Posted by Ian on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 06:52am


The Pogues

Glenn Miller

Posted by MichaelEU on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 07:45am


Whoa. Came on to vote in the tiebreaker, and I guess I missed a little bit last night.

I will vote for Nas

Posted by BSLO on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 08:58am


The Pogues

The Last Poets

Those are my tiebreakers, though confused with this whole "scandal". I can understand that there needs to be some way to tell if someone's cheating, but at the very least state it in the rules.

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 09:50am


On the one hand, I'm glad FRL takes cheating seriously and removed the obvious troll posts, but on the other I'm inclined to somewhat believe Logan's claim that his friends and him were not cheating. I distinctly remember one of the people in his circle referencing that they were friends or brothers like he says with another one - so it's not like they were trying to hide that fact that they personally knew each other. Also blocking people based on IP or whatever method you used to detect the duplicates is not foolproof. I mean what's to stop someone from just easily using an IP changing software or multiple devices to cheat? If someone is going to try to abuse the system FIVE times without trolling, I feel like they would have put more thought into it. We could have easily just deleted genuine votes while still counting duplicate ones.

I would like to propose a system in the future to avoid this kind of issue/scandal. Some kind of voter registration taking place the month in advance to voting, like a link to a spreadsheet that requires email verification.

Posted by Paul K. on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 10:52am


The one that bugs me still is EDS. So far, Logan's post explains him, Josh, Rewd, Frankward, and Austin (Paul K: it was Rewd who said Josh recommended the site to him, so that's in line with what Logan has said). Obviously Razzle, Femme, mooke, and DROULE were same IP joke ballots (and I feel sorry for Sublime in that, accepting all ballots, Sublime had exactly as many votes as MILLI VANILLI...quite an insult to the late Bradley Nowell).

EDS, however, was not in Logan's post, and didn't follow the pattern of the joke ballots. And yet EDS was one of the few who not only had a reasonable ballot, but even posted a tiebreaker vote. Was EDS part of Logan's group (and he just hasn't brought them up) or was EDS part of the joke ballots?

Posted by SotN on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 11:48am


One other thing: not only is it possible for multiple people to post on the same computer, but the same thing can happen if two computers are using the same WiFi in the same location: the IPs are the same.

I do think we should put some thought into a solution, because it's possible we can deprive votes from people who are stuck posting from two different computers/mobile devices that are on the same network (or posting from the same computer), but keep the votes from someone using an IP changer as Paul K pointed out. If we want our projects to remain as solid as possible, we should at least look at any potential kinks in the pipeline, even if they end up not being anything to fix.

Posted by SotN on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 12:03pm


Like I mentioned last night there were a couple incidents that necessitated the one vote per IP rule, but in fairness, one would probably have to dig through a lot of archive to know that. I haven't looked at the top of this page for probably more than a year until last night and didn't realize that we don't have any rules posted. We should probably fix that.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 12:30pm


What are some of the rules that would be helpful to include for newer voters? I can come up with explaining ballot structure and the full ballot per category rule, the 24 hour vote change rule, an explanation of the tie breaker structure (the Suicide-Tommy James situation even had a lot of old timers raging and at least one quitting) and the IP rule. Any other suggestions?

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 12:52pm


DarinRG: Probably a rule about newly eligible acts. Lax asked about whether Lady Gaga was eligible this year (she isn't...she is next year, though). Most people would likely know about the 25 year gap (this being a site about the Hall of Fame), but since we do several years ahead of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, maybe it's a good idea to direct them towards our yearly pages for the new year (so as to show what acts are the most recently eligible).

(And the Tommy James/Suicide situation? I'm guessing they had a tiebreaker that broke even and had the last vote thrown in favor of the former (since Suicide was inducted the next year.)

Posted by SotN on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 14:05pm


It was something to the effect that they tied in the tie breaker and one had higher placement on more ballots while the other had more first place votes. There was a pretty bitter debate over which criteria should be given more weight. It was suggested that we vote to solidify and define the rule before the next round, but I don't think we ever did.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 14:32pm


The Pogues

The Last Poets

Posted by The_Claw on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 14:50pm


Another good rule to put up would be how voting starts the week after the Cleveland Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announces its nominees.

Also, we've inducted Clyde McPhatter three times into the hall as well - once with the Drifters, once solo, and once with the Dominoes in the Influences category. We have a LOT of double inductees, especially from the sidemen categories.

Also, to anyone interested (I know Gassman and I spoke about this earlier this year), I did some research into the membership of MFSB and from all the sources I could find, I narrowed it down to thirty-two names that were brought up the most frequently and who seemed to have the most impact with the group (and would, in turn, be the most likely inducted members). I can send the names over if anyone wants me to and we can talk it over but MFSB, like the Wrecking Crew and Love Unlimited Orchestra, were a BIG group with lots of names coming in and out.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 18:06pm


I have no idea who EDS is sorry. I did notice that Gassman voted from two accounts called Gassman and Gass3268 in previous years! Should you all go back and check his ip too and revote those years?

Are our votes going to count or not? From what I can tell by the only official post of future rock legends themselves I didn't even break their own rule so I don't get why we were punished -

"you can't vote more than once using a different name - if you do, all votes get thrown out"

Well guess what? I didn't vote more than once using different names and that doesn't mention the same computer anywhere. Were none of you shown to this project by other people? How would you feel if you had your brother or friend or wife vote and you got banned because you didn't know. I took the time to show multiple people what I thought was a cool thing and sat down and listed off bands and singers who are eligible It could happen to any of you and I don't think its really fair when I have been nothing but transparent and een offered to make contact with my full name on Twitter or Facebook. But I am being ignored by whoever runs this site.

Posted by Logan on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 19:49pm


Logan - apologies if you have been unfairly caught in this net. Those votes are posted again. If the community is good with this explanation, they can re-tally.

Posted by FRL on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 20:46pm


FRL: I didn't do full tallies, but if I'm right, here's the current scenarios in the cases of each act affected:

Aphex Twin: If all the ballots are dropped, he's inducted. If all the non-joke ballots are in, he's inducted (one joke vote for Rihanna drops her out of the first tiebreaker). If EDS is dropped, he's in a tiebreaker with Brian Eno.

Brian Eno: If EDS is dropped, he's in a tiebreaker with Aphex Twin. In all other circumstances, he's out.

The Jesus and Mary Chain: If the ballots are re-added, they're inducted (Rihanna had one vote from the Femme ballot that gets discounted, ergo no need for a tiebreaker.) All other circumstances, they're out.

Rihanna: She's totally out of the running due to Ftr. S Femme having one vote for her, making her tied with Brian Eno below the threshold.



Glenn Miller: If Frankward's ballot is re-added, he's inducted. If not, the tiebreaker with Last Poets stands.

The Last Poets: If Frankward's ballot is dropped, they're still in a tiebreaker. If it's re-added, they're out.


At this point, this whole thing has turned into a ball of confusion.

Posted by SotN on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 21:18pm


(P.S.: Forgot Nas and the Pogues. If the ballots are dropped, they're still in a tiebreaker. If not, they're out.)

Posted by SotN on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 21:25pm


(P.P.S.: And if the ballots are readded, System of a Down is re-inducted. My head is killing me.)

Posted by SotN on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 21:26pm


Under the circumstance I think it's reasonable to reinstate Josh and Logan's votes. The IP rule was introduced to prevent multiple ballots from a single individual as well as a situation where a voter had their mom cast a random ballot to put a favored act over the threshold. Logan and Josh are both known participants on the site and it's completely reasonable that they didn't know about the rule. The rule was intended to prevent gaming the system, not to disqualify legitimate voters who may have to share a computer. (As far as the other disqualified votes, I'll defer to the opinion of the rest of the community).

Before next year we should write and post an overview of the rules at the top of the Projected page and come up with a system to pre-qualify voters. The Twitter idea that was proposed is reasonable. Perhaps one of us could volunteer for the task sometime in the month before voting.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 21:46pm


My opinions - count Logan & Co. this time and get clarity on EDS' validity as it is a vital vote in deciding the final results. Figure out some clear system for next year. My suggestion is an email-verified Google Doc where people register the month in advance. That doc is posted here and on FRL's Twitter/Facebook. Takes ten seconds for each voter. That way no matter who is behind the computer, each voter has to have at least declared intent to vote. No spontaneous or unexpected undeclared posters. It could even drum up interest and increase turnout. Sound fair and easy?

Just did a vote count myself. To basically just rephrase what SotN is saying:

-Tori Amos, Queens of the Stone Age, The Commodores, and George Michael get in no matter what.

-If the ballots of Logan & Co. count, System of a Down and The Jesus & Mary Chain get in.

-If EDS' ballot (which remains posted but was mentioned as questionable before, perhaps FRL can clarify), Aphex Twin gets in with no tiebreaker necessary.

-If EDS' ballot does not count, it's Aphex Twin vs. Brian Eno for the 7th spot.

Posted by Paul K. on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 22:01pm


Hello to all.

I have a proposal regarding this unfortunate predicament the website is in. For this induction cycle, so that there is no confusion and recriminations involved; the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project should for this time expand the amount of inductees for the Projected Class of 2033. We start by inducting any Performer who had received at least 8 votes in the election. They are:

Tori Amos
Aphex Twin
The Commodores
Brian Eno
The Jesus And Mary Chain
George Michael
Nas
The Pogues
Queens Of The Stone Age
Rihanna
System Of A Down

We then induct Non-Performers that received at least 4 votes. Those that received the votes are:

Jimmy Iovine
Bob Johnston
Bruce Morrow aka Cousin Brucie
Conny Plank

We then afterwards induct Influences that had gotten at least 5 votes. They are:

Wendy Carlos
The Last Poets
Glenn Miller

And finally, we induct Sidemen that received at least 5 votes. And they are:

MFSB
Martha Wash

We will therefore have 20 inductees for our Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2033. This will help to cover all bases and clear the way for easier inductions in the years to come. Also, there will not be a need for tiebreakers. Any artist or group that was thought to be in a tiebreaker these last three days or so will be in effect granted amnesty and will be inducted.

For myself, this is an induction that I think we can bend the rules somewhat. Seeing an artist I voted for, in this case Rihanna, start with just my vote and get what I thought were enough to clear the way for induction was pretty cool for the time. Seeing this go to a point of not enough votes and now a possibility of enough votes has drawn me to consider this idea of just inducting these important people right this instant. I do not expect fellow posters to understand this feeling I have, which is understandable.

None the less, Future Rock Legends needs to get rid of trolls and bots being obvious in their mucking up shit here. Let it be known, Hoobastank sucked then and they suck now. REO Speedwagon were never that good to begin with. And Pat Boone did more to gentrify and corrupt an art form than any number of other singers could. And oh yes, Creed is a poor man's Pearl Jam and always will be. I do not believe Any of us fellow posters here even thought of putting any of these artists onto our ballots. For that, those with only 1 vote on the troll ballots should hereby be considered with extreme caution next time. As I do say many times, let me know what you fellow posters think of this proposal.

The trolls should go love themselves so to speak,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 22:01pm


FRL-

Would you be willing to post which votes came from the same IPs? It would really help the group resolve the situation.

Posted by DarinRG on Saturday, 10.21.17 @ 22:19pm


An interesting thing I noticed about the EDS/Logan/multiple votes thing.

Logan mentioned back in March that the Jesus and Mary Chain was a top priority for him. He ended up not including them on his ballot this year, but that's not so unusual, as I know that I myself have changed my planned ballot right before posting it based on the momentum at the time.

However, EDS, who also did not include J&MC in his ballot, placed them last in the tiebreaker. Now, I imagine that if EDS and Logan were one and the same, EDS would've had J&MC at the top of his list, no?

THAT BEING SAID, where have EDS, Rewd, Frankward, Austin, & etc. all gone to? Logan's returned and has given his explanation, but if the others are truly other people, why haven't they chimed in yet? I assume the ones that are Logan's friends would have their own computers in their own houses, so they wouldn't have to worry about FRL saying that they have the same IP address again.

I'm also curious as to what the deal is with the likes of Ftr., mooke, DROULE, & Razzle. If they came from the same IP address Logan, can you explain what those were? You mentioned how you don't know who EDS is, and that Josh & Austin are your brothers while Rewd & Frankward are family friends. But then who was behind the other four joke ballots?

I think before we move ahead with anything we should know what this is about.

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 00:04am


REO Speedwagon are pretty good

Posted by jtrichey on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 00:30am


I also did some digging on the other forum pages on this site to see if I could find and see if Logan or any of the other names have voted in the past. And what I've found was this:

Austin posted once in the Song Project back in May 2016 mentioning how it had been a while since he followed the project and that it had been since December. Currently the Song Project forum goes up to the beginning of Nov. 2015 but Austin had no comments from back then.

Josh posted once in the Rock Hall Pyramid page back in 2012. Besides that, there was a "Joshua Hardnips" that posted in August on the 2018 predictions page.

EDS posted six times in the 2018 predictions page between September and October of this year and once on the 2018 nominees page in Oct.

Now this could be inconclusive, since the older posts could be other people with the names Austin and Josh. I used to post as Steve until someone else posted with the same name, which made me switch to Steve Z. Its also not unusual for a voter to join in on voting for the first time by starting with the Projected project, but this is all something to think about as well.

Posted by Steve Z on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 00:33am


My hard drive died on me last night and I only got back to the site just now to post the results of the original tiebreaker.

Needless to say, a lot has happened and it's quite confusing.

While the status of posted ballots is up in the air, I don't think we can have any tiebreaker votes ending.

After we figure out which ballots are going to be counted, we can either re-start tiebreaker voting (if necessary) or extend the tiebreaker voting for an extra day.

Regarding the question of why joke ballots were counted... they were counted because, as far as I knew, there was no way to prove that they were invalidated due to rule violations. Each ballot had exactly 7 legitimate votes, in that the artists on them were all eligible for the vote. I can't just look at a lousy ballot and say "nah" because what if that is someone's actual opinion?

FRL - Please post a list of the ballots that should be removed from the final results for this year's Projected vote. I'll remove them from my final count and re-post the results.

As for validating future votes, the google docs registration plan (or something similar) sounds like a good idea. Set dates for a registration period (say 9/1/2018 through 9/30/2018) and have everyone who is interested in participating in the Projected vote register by posting somewhere where their IP address can be verified and be determined to be unique. Have FRL keep the IP address of the registrations and then compare the unique IP addresses to the IPs that the Projected votes come from to check for discrepancies.

Posted by Darren on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 02:40am


In case this is the tiebreaker, I'll go on record with my votes:

Nas
The Last Poets

Posted by Darren on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 02:41am


I'll be changing over to a new account then if that's fine.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 05:46am


OK so in case the current tie breaker holds up my votes are for

Nas

Glenn Miller

At this point however I have no idea if this is the right tie breaker or if there even is a tie breaker. Hopefully this all gets resolved soon.

Posted by Tom H. on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 08:21am


Should the current tiebreaker vote structure still be valid, here are my votes for the tiebreaker at hand.


Nas

Glenn Miller

Writing this on my grandparents iPad just to let it be known,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 09:28am


I gotta admit, I'm leaning towards "No" on this problem. My apologies to Logan and Josh and the whole clan out there, but I've been through this before on another forum. We had a guy who pretended to have a younger brother and an uncle who all wanted to be part of the community, where he posted as each of them, and it did not end well. The guy was flat-out caught lying and was banned for awhile. So, I'm inclined to say no. I've heard the "He's my brother, and they're friends and family" bit before. And how do we know he didn't invite these people to vote to stack the deck for Rihanna? I'm not trying to be accusatory, but it's something that has to be considered from our perspective.

I'm not trying to be uncaring, and I've moved a few times in my life while being a member of this community (not including the times I've posted from libraries and my parents' place), but as someone who's been through this before and knows there are people who have nothing better to do than to rig things that have no bearing on our lives outside the micro-community... yeah it seems silly, but there are still those who would do it... all things need to be considered.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 16:02pm


Steve Z: Since FRL had access to the IPs of the people reinstated and reposted the ballots of the people Logan vouched for (as well as EDS, but FRL forgot EDS to begin with), but kept off the ballots of the joke posters, it makes me a bit confused but it seems Logan's group is legitimate as far as individuals. I'd be more inclined to agree that the joke ballots were from trolls who wanted to take the piss out of the inductions, but that still doesn't explain EDS.

Philip: And it's a prior experience of mine that leads me to say "yes". In my case, I was on a competition site for video games. I once posted a group of times that nearly got me banned as a cheater. The only reason I was allowed to stay was because the "rule" I broke was only verbal and never written (and since I was still a relatively new member, was unlikely to have known the rule existed). They decided to give me a second chance in the end.

The fact was that the one vote per IP rule was a very vague precedent before now, and if you had come onto this board with family or friends using your computer, you'd have no idea that such a rule was in place. What's more, as I explained, it's possible that a person can game the system with an IP changer, thus "breaking the rules" legally. I don't know the results of FRL's search, but I'm putting that out there.

As it stands right now for me, I'm waiting for FRL's post on the IP address votes before making my decision. The reveal may change my opinion, but I'd rather wait before saying anything in the concrete.

So far, the options on the table are:

1. Get rid of all the in question ballots and induct the class shown in Gassman's posts (pending tiebreakers for Nas/The Pogues and Glenn Miller/The Last Poets).

2. Bring on only the posts of Logan and Josh (and possibly EDS), and rewrite the totals from there.

3. Re-add all the non-joke ballots, but discount EDS's ballot, resulting in an Aphex Twin-Brian Eno tiebreaker.

4. Re-add all the non-joke ballots, including EDS, and induct the class shown in Darren's original post (including Aphex Twin and the Jesus and Mary Chain, as Rihanna wouldn't have had the vital vote).

5. Take up Lax34's idea, and induct all acts that have come into question as a way of admitting error and bridging any divide, but in turn making the rules more ironclad so that this problem doesn't rear its head down the line.

6. One idea I was kicking around was to put every in-question act into a single tiebreaker (Aphex Twin, Brian Eno, the Jesus and Mary Chain, Nas, the Pogues, Rihanna, and System of a Down), and induct the top three acts at the end of that tiebreaker (also doing the same for Glenn Miller and the Last Poets.)

Posted by SotN on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 17:06pm


SotN - We need to talk video games and, on topic, inducting some VGM into these projects sometime.

Phillip - Looking at their ballots, Logan himself did not vote for Rihanna and even if someone did tell someone new to vote in this project, encouraging them to vote someone... what are we supposed to do about that? Police them and say they can't introduce any new voters to this if they have pet projects?

I'm no expert on how IP works, but my view is like was said, this could have just as easily happened to me if it's true devices on the same network share an IP. I didn't introduce this to anyone this year thankfully, but actually thought about having my girlfriend who lives with me vote (same Wi-Fi as me) and some coworkers (had we been at work and posted, same network). This whole situation definitely has some sketchiness to it, but if we crack down too much it's a slippery slope to one strict vote per household/workplace rule. As someone who has ran "anonymous" polls myself, I understand why some people would like that rule, but it's just as easy to cause more drama and lose us overall turnout - we might have already lost these guys from all of this.

Now if the joke votes DID come from the same IP as Logan, definitely throw them all out. But if they didn't, it means we have two or more isolated scenarios that deserve a case-by-case look.

That all said, I'm really ready to get this mess over with and just know our induction class and talk about future inductees from there, so I wouldn't mind if Gassman/Darren/whoever runs just made an executive decision.

Posted by Paul K. on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 17:52pm


If the tiebreaker votes are still happening (who knows at this point), my Tiebreaker Votes goes to The Pogues in the performers' category and Glenn Miller in the influences category.

A lot of information to absorb from what happened over the few days and I’m trying to make sense of it all. I’ve read all the comments and thought everyone had some valid points and comments, but it’s also so interesting. The big takeaway is that FRL put a stop to potential fake ballots from someone who might have posted multiple times. This is one of those lose-lose situations that could not make everyone happy.

I think what this brings up is an important issue that no one’s mentioned yet - the lack of new voters on FRL’s projects. Like most people here, I encourage new people to participate in these projects because I welcome all musical perspectives and tastes. When I started coming to this website, I posted in the comments section and was encouraged by many of the regulars to participate in the projects votes. I was so intimidated by the process that I almost didn’t participate in it at all. But I’m glad I did because the voters here have opened my eyes to new music and artists that I would not have listened to otherwise. Do we all get along all the time or agree about the same musical tastes? Of course not, but there is a reason why we continue to come to this site: our appreciation and love for music. We have dedicated so much time and effort to these projects that we feel an investment when something happens that’s out of the ordinary. I think almost all of us are good decent people and want the same thing (a fair and honest poll for what is probably FRL’s biggest project event of the year), but it’s just hard when those new people might cast multiple ballots from the same IP address or computer. My point is that we should welcome new voters but not discourage them from contributing to our website either.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 18:22pm


My understanding is that Logan, Josh, Austin, Frankward and Rewd were one single IP, Ftr S Femme, DROUBLE E, SPEDDE and EDS were the same, and Razzle is God and mookie r. weingard are the same.

I got this second had from someone who spoke to FRL and haven't discussed the situation with the moderator myself outside of what I've publicly posted here, which is why I asked FRL to confirm the breakdown. If he's unable (I realize it's the weekend) or doesn't want to wade further into this (what makes him a great mod to me is that he lets the inmates run the asylum) I understand completely, but I think this is important information for everybody to have to work with right now.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 20:09pm


Nick, Paul K., and SotN,

Those are good ideas. I do want to believe Logan, but at the same time, he'd have to vary it up to keep from being obvious.

Keep in mind, it's basically Logan to prove what no one really prove, and that's not fair, and I realize that.

But most of all, I want to state that I don't want FRL to become a full on "Log In" type of forum. I like the format we've got going on here. And it's more encouraging and inviting to strangers and fans to come in and comment.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 20:15pm


I wanted to post here in defense of Lax34's idea in case FRL doesn't wish to go further into this discussion:

As Philip said, we have no way to prove Logan's story is 100% true, but his story does have merit. What's more, none of the other regulars have to definitively prove it's us voting, and Logan already went to bat for his family and friends. Besides, there's a chance that maybe they can't access the board on their own time (due to having no device that can do that, or just not having internet during this time, which I can speak to from experience).

If we chuck out Logan and co.'s votes, we'll have peeved a regular, and very possibly kept real people interested in our process from getting involved themselves. If we kept the votes of Logan and co., the same happens with EDS, who actually posted a tiebreaker and, ridiculous votes that they appear, they did have the required seven and would be just as legitimate as Logan's company by that yardstick (and if it turns out FRL knew EDS was behind two of the joke ballots, then why reinstate his first ballot, since I'm sure he took the ballot down after I pointed it out). If we kept the "one vote per IP" rule at its core essence (thus keeping EDS's reasonable ballot, as FRL seemed to do), this means we would only include Logan, EDS, and mooke (because mooke and Razzie were themselves a separate entity, and as Darren pointed out: joke ballot or no, they -did- hold to the rule of submitting a complete ballot, mooke submitting first). This would punish people who didn't know of the rule, and also discourage us from bringing in friends and family who may not agree with our taste in music or have the same IP (thanks to internet provider or router).



Personally, I want clarification of what DarinRG posted from FRL, but if FRL doesn't wish to wade into this any further or they're on vacation, we may have to make a judgement call without that info being solidified. Personally, I'm drained from this situation, not to mention board-lagged: by this time, we should have been e-mailing ballots for the Blind Ballot Hall of Fame, but the process is so held back, we don't even know what tiebreaker is the real one, or even if we actually need one.


Paul K: I'm still eager to bring some VGM to the Projects, since I feel game music deserves to be looked at the same way movie soundtracks have been on the Projects. I've been trying a push every now and again, but yet to get there.

Personally, I'm tossing the idea of putting up tracks close to what is already in our projects (such as those of Donkey Kong Country, Silent Hill, and maybe Final Fantasy, since these are similar to genres already represented). Test the waters, so to speak.

Thanks for the boost in support! I've been busy in real time, but maybe someday we will discuss video games as well!

Posted by SotN on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 21:55pm


I think the only fair compromise is to induct Wire because they totally deserve it. Just put Wire in bold for the induction year and we'll try again next fall.

Posted by Casper on Sunday, 10.22.17 @ 22:27pm


I endorse Casper's proposal.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 00:22am


As someone watching from afar and has no standing whatsoever in this drama, this is all somewhat entertaining.... I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often.

Just remember, ignorance of any rule or law is never a valid excuse. This goes back to the Bible where people who found themselves on the wrong side of the law needed to do whatever was required in order to rejoin civilization whether they knew they broke the law or not.

Accept Logan's ballot and throw the rest out. If the others want to come back next year with their own IP, fine..... no hard feelings.

Posted by joker on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 01:03am


-Angsty for a decision.-

My support next year is largely going to try to focus on 80s/90s/some 00s indie and alternative rock. This area has always had a lot of support here from a lot of participants, but almost never for the same artists at the same time. The split support is becoming a problem that mirrors the real Hall's own in some ways.

So you guys, I will definitely be part of that renewed push for Wire next year. Enough bubbling under is enough. In fact, I'm willing to commit/lock-in now. I will also be continuing to push for and make the cases for Elliott Smith and Modest Mouse - though ideally we can all agree on 2 or 3 artists in this umbrella genre area to get in on one fell swoop as opposed to treating it like a token slot that can only get one spot each year.

There are several other indie/alt acts I am behind (Tears for Fears, Cabaret Voltaire, The Fall, Portishead, Brand New, The Strokes, Arctic Monkeys, Death Cab for Cutie, Animal Collective, Yo La Tengo, Guided by Voices, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Human League, etc.)


SotN - For Projected here, I would like to push for Koji Kondo. I can see what category suits him best as being controversial, but I think we can make compelling arguments for him. Speaking of him, do you have a Switch? Odyssey Friday. <3 (Also the Xenoblade Chronicles 2 soundtrack sounds amazing).

Posted by Paul K. on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 01:05am


Two more cents - if DarinRG's secondhand inside scoop is accurate, EDS is unrelated to Logan & Co. and remains tied to the IP of joke ballots. Also Logan came back to defend his and his friends' all non-joke ballots, EDS did not.

and yeah, yeah, the saying may be that ignorance of a rule or law is not a valid excuse, but I say it's no rule or law at all if it's nowhere to be found - at least not in the case of something as ultimately petty as a fun online community project by about 30 music fans.

Posted by Paul K. on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 01:33am


"As someone watching from afar and has no standing whatsoever in this drama, this is all somewhat entertaining.... I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often." -joker

Trust me, it's entertaining and amusing from this side, too. It probably has happened before in all our voting projects, but the excess of joke ballots and random, unknown voters this time around raised red flags.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 02:08am


I've felt like one of these people for the past couple days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDDdeHtrxfA

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 02:09am


joker:

I actually went through the post history on these boards to find the "One IP address = One Vote". The last post that mentioned this rule?

Made on the Rock Hall Revisited board...and was made about a week before the first post currently on that board (the only way to find that post is to put the Revisited URL on the Internet Wayback Machine), meaning that this vital rule is mentioned exactly zero times in this current iteration of the board on either this, or the Revisited. To expect a new voter or their family to go through that many hoops just to find a vital rule is both madness and overkill. By comparison, accepting all the ballots, calling our error in not having made the rule clear, and writing a Constitution above the classes to outright put the rule in writing is a better option, no?

Coincidentally, the last post referencing the IP rule? Gassman telling Rick Vendl II that Carol (his wife) couldn't count as a vote because the two of them shared an IP address. Not only was Rick peeved at this, but someone swiped his name and posted a bogus "argument" (basically, "screw you, ELO deserves it") during that election that FRL outright said was not him (again, through IP), and Rick wondered who was responsible for that post.


DarinRG: Thanks for posting that. Now I need to go rewatch that movie again. Childhood favorite, that.

Posted by SotN on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 02:40am


Paul K:

1) Sadly, I don't own a Switch at present time. I've been waiting for the game library to fill in before going for it, and with what it has now, I feel ready whenever the time comes. Won't be for a while, but I do hope to play Odyssey and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 soon!

2) I wouldn't mind a push for Koji Kondo (and Wire, while we're at it) for next year. He's a worthy candidate for induction. His soundtrack work is really solid and I wouldn't mind putting a vote in for him! Not to mention, now I need to go listen to some VGM after this thing blows over...for how draining this whole thing is, maybe Dire Dire Docks would hit the spot?

Posted by SotN on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 02:48am


SotN:


I'm in awe, really. That's incredible!!

You looked at 7 years of posts???

You care alot about this project. Good for you.

(Though some might call that also madness and overkill, lol.)

Posted by joker on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 03:52am


Alright. I didn't participate, and haven't participated in years, but I've been interested in the drama going around I'm gonna throw a proposal out that has yet to be mentioned.

Why not just do the voting over again? Completely disregard the ballot, and re-start the thing next month and do a new vote.

It's currently October 23. We have 8 days until the next month. Why not do that registration thing that Paul K brought up, do it now, and it starts with this class and we do a new vote next month.

As far as time limit issues. Well, this thing only happens once a year, so unlike the Song and Album Projects where we don't have time to re-do or delay votes, we definitely can with the Rock Hall Projected project.

Yeah, I know that's kind of not fair to the artists that already clearly got in, but with all this controversy and mess-ups and all the different possibilities of results based on which votes get counted or not, I think it's a crapshoot and we should just do it over.


Or if we can do a new vote for the last three inductees and the four that got in no matter which votes are counted or not are automatically inducted, and we do a new vote for the final three spots.


LAX proposed just inducting everyone which isn't a bad idea either, I'm proposing a new vote for the last three spots on the class.

Thoughts?

Posted by Donnie on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 04:16am


My current tiebreaker vote:

The Pogues.

Think all the spurious ballots should be thrown out.

Excellent job sleuthing by FRL & some of our regulars!

Posted by Paul in KY on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 09:27am


I'm actually not down on Lax's idea either. When we had the Suicide-Tommy James second tie it was proposed that both be inducted and some people were really OCD about having the exact same number of inductees every year, but I'm not bothered by variance in rare, unusual situations. Inducting them all and just moving on to a clearer process next year isn't a bad option to me.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 09:52am


Donnie - I don't know if everyone has the energy for a total redo. Worse, I don't think we would get everyone back for it. Some voters might only check this casually and not even know anything dramatic is even going on yet. And most of all I'm sure we're going to need a week or so of debate just to figure out exactly how strict a voter registration should be. For the record, even though I brought the idea up, when that time comes I support it being as easy and inclusive as possible. It's mainly to combat troll votes. If two people who live together have distinct and proven email addresses, let em do it, say half the people here live with a significant other or family member and got them to join, we would increase our turnout by 50%!


I'm fine with Lax's idea of a one-time big class also for the record. The Real Hall doesn't have any kind of consistency with the number of inductees, so if we're off one year I think we can get a free passes. The less voting the better while also not being total hardasses to clueless voters.

Posted by Paul K. on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 10:49am


I'm also on-board with Lax's idea. If the Hall is able to change the number of inductees whenever it wants, I'm good with a change on our end to keep our Hall's reputation. If the other option is to potentially drive away voters or newcomers, I'm willing to open the floodgates and induct all acts in question.

(P.S.: If we do this the way Lax34 proposed, do we only induct the 4 Non-Performers, 3 Influence, and 2 Sidemen, or have a tiebreaker to bring Influence and Sidemen in line with the 4 Non-Performers? I'm good either way.)

joker: Still reading through them (was skimming the posts for the IP address rule), but thank you for the compliment! I do care about the project, and I do like myself some history.

Posted by SotN on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 11:43am


I'd rather just add the ballots from the users in Logan's post back in and go from there. This is being made more complicated than it needs to be.

Posted by dmg on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 11:52am


^To be clear, that's the ideal solution to me as well, which if math is right would mean our performer class is:

Tori Amos, Queens of the Stone Age, The Commodores, George Michael, System of a Down, The Jesus & Mary Chain, with a simple tiebreaker between Aphex Twin and Brian Eno.

Apologies to Nas and The Pogues, but I think it seems to be the best compromise given where the consensus is leaning. If I've read right, more regulars are in favor of Logan & Co. than not, with only one or two outright no's.

Posted by Paul K. on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 11:59am


I'm fine with either the Lax idea or accepting Logan's crew's votes. We need to move on.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 12:39pm


Should we have a vote whether or not to allow the votes from Logan's IP address?

We could have a simple Yes / No vote to allow the votes Logan says are his friends and family and go by the results of the vote.

Then we could come up with a better idea for next year going forward.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 15:04pm


Darren-

Sounds good to me.

Posted by Tom H. on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 15:16pm


I guess we could try that, Darren.

Ideally, I'd either like to see Logan's friends log on here again or to see whether Logan and his friends all used the same email. That'd be even more a indicative (although not faultless) way to determine whether they were scam ballots or not.

I'm also just ok with doing what Paul K suggested too.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 15:27pm


Darren, I will vote 'Yes' if there is a vote, but that probably means yet another day or three of delay, in addition to whatever tiebreaker comes after that. I'd be fine with skipping the democratic step this one time, and you just making a quick executive decision based on all the current feedback.

Posted by Paul K. on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 15:56pm


I am a huge no on Lax's idea (no offense)

I am okay with either allowing Logan and Josh's (would need like serious confirmation if we allowed more than those 2) votes to count or doing a re-vote with a registration process.

Regardless, I like the idea of a registration process in the future with very strict and clear rules.

The reason we are so strict on this, is it happened right at the beginning back in 2010. A couple of those earliest classes are probably not entirely clean. That's why ever since we've been really strict, even if it's Rick and his mother.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 17:14pm


Let's just vote on this so we can move on.

A) Include all ballots from the IP associated with Logan and discard the others in question due to the connection to joke ballots and nobody speaking in their defense.

B)Include Logan's ballot, but discard all others since he's the only voter in question who spoke in his own defense.

C) The Lax Plan: Induct all act effected by the controversy.

D) Hold a registration and re-vote.

E) The Casper Plan: Induct Wire and try again next year.

F) Include all votes cast.

Let's keep this open for 24 hours from this posting and the vote is only open to those who cast a ballot in this year's Rock Hall Projected and didn't cast one of the ballots in question. And one damn vote per IP, please.

I vote A.

I see the merit in a few options, but I want to take Logan at his word that he tried to recruit new voters, something that we try to encourage, and I'm beyond sympathetic to the argument that nobody but grizzled veterans of the Can and ELO wars would reasonably know about the IP rule.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 20:26pm


At this point, I'm thoroughly confused and don't care how this gets resolved. I'll stand by whatever decision the rest of the group settles on.

Posted by Ian on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 20:48pm


I vote for option B, but I'd be willing to include Josh as he's voted in the past.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 21:00pm


I vote for A, but if we go with B I agree with Gassman on at least including Josh also for the same reason.

Posted by Paul K. on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 21:03pm


Also I'd be willing to include others of Logan's group if we can show that they are legit.

Posted by Gassman on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 21:03pm


I vote for option A. This is fair for them since the one per IP rule was not clearly stated in the rules.

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 21:28pm


DarinRG: when looking at the options, here are my opinions and reasoning for why these options are or are not valid.

The Casper plan to only induct Wire and then a new class next year is quite ridiculous. Wire only received one vote, not enough to warrant an induction this year. Plus, this would be like considering the nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year and deciding to only induct The Meters. Sure, they are worthy; however there are more worthier artists to induct.

Including every vote seems plausible; yet I and others would not want to be the people that would theoretically have to answer to a hypothetical court of music justice as to why Hoobastank, of all artists, got one vote. Seriously, Hoobastank are pretty darn bad.

Including just Logan's ballot might be fair; yet it would not be fair in the end to those that made a legitimate vote on Logan's IP.

Including Logan and those that voted on Logan's IP is a better idea. However, that leaves a question as to what to do with EDS' ballot. It does not seem fair to EDS.

A registration and re-vote is time consuming; not to mention this will alienate current and future voters. It also is not fair to those artists that are likely to be inducted and will either have to wait at least another week or even lose enough votes to get inducted this year.

The best option, indeed the only reasonable and worthwhile option, is to for this year induct all 20 people and bands that had gotten enough votes to either be outright inducted or at least be involved in a tiebreaker. That way, when we vote for the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall project next year; we can have a sufficient number of newer inductees without having the need to go back and reconsider the results of this year's election.

Just to have it be known: Tori Amos, The Commodores, George Michael, Queens Of The Stone Age, Jimmy Iovine, Wendy Carlos, MFSB and Martha Wash have all been inducted outright. As well, the Sidemen category has been decided outright.

Aphex Twin is possibly inducted outright, or at least is involved in a tiebreaker.

Brain Eno is involved in a tiebreaker with potential induction.

The Jesus And Mary Chain are involved in a tiebreaker either way.

Nas is involved in a tiebreaker with a likelihood for induction.

The Pogues are involved in a tiebreaker at this juncture.

Rihanna is involved in a tiebreaker when all ballots are considered. As well, Rihanna was close enough to being inducted outright in that regard.

System Of A Down is considered outright inducted when all non-troll ballots are included.

Bob Johnston received 4 votes in the Non-Performer category. This is enough when all ballots are considered to have been involved in a tiebreaker. The initial Non-Performer tiebreaker ballot did not include Bob Johnston, and needed to for the sake of fairness.

Bruce Morrow (Cousin Brucie) was involved in a tiebreaker. He received 4 Non-Performer votes, like Bob Johnston. In all fairness, Cousin Brucie and Bob Johnston would be involved in an all inclusive tiebreaker ballot.

Connie Plank is involved in a tiebreaker with the likelihood of induction. Indeed, Conny Plank received 5 Non-Performer votes; more than Bob Johnston and Cousin Brucie. None the less, all three are to be considered as being in a tiebreaker ballot on one election process.

The Last Poets are involved in a tiebreaker as Influences.

Glenn Miller is involved in a tiebreaker as an Influence with the likelihood of induction.

Doing any other consideration would be time consuming and unfair to the 20 inductees for the Projected Class of 2033. No offense to Casper, but the only induct Wire idea is a full fledged insult. Let us just induct these 20 equally and immediately include into our Hall of Fame. I honestly think a induction class of 20 people and bands is positive and would not be a problem for anybody.

Just to give an idea of precedence; we were told last year that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame would only induct 5 Performers for 2017. That was clearly impossible given the wide influence of the nominees. So, in 2017 7 Performers were inducted. A sixth induction slot was made for either Yes or Joan Baez (I am not sure which artist got the added consideration). Plus, after being nominated a staggering 12 times and not getting inducted by the main Performers voting block; Nile Rodgers was finally inducted in the Musical Excellence category. Inducting Nile Rodgers meant also inducting Chic, albeit the other important people in Chic were not included; possibly due to their deaths. And for this 2018 class, we are again told only 5 Performers will go in. I actually think it could and may be 10 inductees; with 3 of them going in as Influences.

So again, all things fair and equal, the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2033 should and will be Tori Amos, Aphex Twin, The Commodores, Brian Eno, The Jesus And Mary Chain, George Michael, Nas, The Pogues, Queens Of The Stone Age, Rihanna, System Of A Down, Jimmy Iovine, Bob Johnston, Bruce Morrow/Cousin Brucie, Conny Plank, Wendy Carlos, The Last Poets, Glenn Miller, MFSB and Martha Wash. In short, I vote for C: my own plan.

Consider and accept without prejudice,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 21:43pm


So, you're a "no" on Wire?

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 21:55pm


Wire were not on my ballot this year; as I think there are more important candidates to consider for induction.. So, it is a No for me.

Will consider Wire in future ballots though,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 21:58pm


Thanks, that's all we can ask.

Posted by DarinRG on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 22:00pm


Would vote for option B as I regretfully still do not trust Logan's explanation enough.

Anyone know what the Russians have been up to lately? :)

Posted by jtrichey on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 22:01pm


I'll go with option B unless stronger proof can be provided that they're all separate people.

Posted by Steve Z on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 22:39pm


I vote A. I don't see any reason not to trust him.

Posted by dmg on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 22:40pm


I vote A. Logan's been participating in various projects on this site for a long time and I'm inclined to believe him.

Posted by Darren on Monday, 10.23.17 @ 23:54pm


I'm pulling A. I like Lax's option and still wouldn't mind it, but it's not gaining anything here. Alternatively, I doubt anyone wants to vote for the same people after a registration class, and as much as I feel Wire deserves induction, I'm not voting to induct them apropos of nothing.

Far as I'm concerned, I believe Logan's story as proposed, and even if the rule was "One IP = One Vote", this rule (and the situations that led to its creation) was only referenced in posts so old they're long gone from the site. I'm not punishing Logan for getting people involved and having them vote by computer by means of a major rule so vital, you need to use ANOTHER website to merely find it - it should have been made significantly clearer than it has been and, put bluntly, the situation has resulted in our procedure being caught with its pants down.

Posted by SotN on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 01:04am


I’ll also go for A, as I’m inclined to believe he’s telling the truth. Furthermore, the one vote per IP rule should from now on be clearly stated at the beginning of each round to avoid this discussion ever again.

Posted by The_Claw on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 02:09am


Option A, in broad agreement with Darren.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 06:03am


I vote B

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 06:57am


I vote for option A

At this point I'm ready to have this come to a satisfying conclusion whichever option wins. I think we can all agree that this years class will be diverse no matter what and with several inductees having been major contenders in past election years it will serve as a good way to get a fresh group of contenders for the future.

I also have a bit of a vested intrest in the proceeding as it plays into my genre nomination for the song project of Artists/Influences in the Rock Hall Project with two or fewer songs in the song project (Shameless plug). It just narrowly missed being chosen back in September but I was excited to push for it in November since our most recent class would be eligible. With that being said I have had to tweak my list of eligible artists twice in the last 4 days and would really like to get the list finalized in time for the start of the month.

On a side note this my 5th year on the site voting in this project so I just missed the Tommy James/Suicide debacle. It made for some damn entertaining reading material though.

Posted by Tom H. on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 11:30am


I am quite confused. I'll go for option A.

Posted by MichaelEU on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 12:08pm


I’ll go with option A because I genuinely want to believe Logan. However, I do find it kinda strange that Logan’s friends and family members haven’t commented on this issue yet (at least from what I’ve seen). It’s kinda weird that we are making such a big deal over this and yet those people are not defending themselves. I’m going with A, but with some suspicion. This should be a learning lesson for everyone involved and should not happen again. Now can we move on from this and find out what is actually part of FRL’s class of 2032.

Posted by Nick on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 12:44pm


Nick: One thing I don't think we're taking into account about the "the other members aren't coming in to defend themselves" is the fact that we seem to have thoroughly peeved Logan, to the point where he seems ready to outright leave our site. If it turns out Logan was vouching for our website to the people he brought in (I'll excuse Rewd, since Josh recommended him, but who recommended Josh?), then I can easily see Logan, after this whole thing, telling the same people "don't bother, they don't want your votes since you posted them on my computer". Can't exactly say I blame them if that were the case, but I'm putting that out there.

Posted by SotN on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 14:29pm


If "A" is the winning choice, which votes are tossed out?

Posted by Darren on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 14:35pm


If A wins, these votes are still tossed:

Ftr S Femme
DROULE E. SPEDDE
EDS
Razzle is God
mooke r. weingard

These votes would be counted:

Logan
Austin
Josh
Frankward
Rewd

I would prefer some confirmation for including Frankward and Rewd as those names are completely new, while we've seen Logan, Austin and Josh before.

Posted by Gassman on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 17:45pm


I vote option A and we'll play by eyes & ear from this point onwards with Logan, Josh, Austin, Rewd and Frankward.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 17:54pm


My tally is:

A - 12
B - 4
C - 1
D - 0
E - 0 (including 1 passionate "no" vote)
F - 0

As the result, and because of reasons previously stated, we've chosen to accept and count the ballots of Logan, Austin, Josh, Frankward and Rewd and discard the ballots of Ftr S Femme,DROULE E., SPEDDE, EDS, Razzle is God, mooke r. weingard.

If someone who has been tracking the potential scenarios could post the results I'd appreciate it.

Posted by DarinRG on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 21:18pm


I'll have to wait for someone else to do the math since I'm pretty busy tonight.

Just wanted to add that I have come up with what I feel is a decent proposal, rules, and simple online form for future voter registration, and I got positive feedback from DarinRG and Gassman privately. I'll make a post here next month and welcome more input after the 2033 class is finally finalized and we've all had a break from this ongoing clusterstorm.

Posted by Paul K. on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 22:00pm


Okay. Having tallied the votes one more time, here are I believe the inductees to the Revisited/Projected Rock Hall Project Class of 2033.

Performers

Tori Amos
Aphex Twin
The Commodores
Brian Eno
The Jesus And Mary Chain
George Michael
Queens Of The Stone Age
System Of A Down

Non-Performers

Jimmy Iovine
Conny Plank

Influences

Wendy Carlos
Glenn Miller

Sidemen

MFSB
Martha Wash

I should note that there could be a tiebreaker vote involving Aphex Twin and Brian Eno. I would suggest to just have both go in this time. As well. if anyone is interested; perhaps we could in another month or so do a special amnesty election for our Crown Jewel. That way we could include an additional 13 or 14 inductees as a way of making amends and inducting some overlooked artists. Let me know what you fellow posters think. It is just an idea to make the best out of a silly situation.

Congratulations to all who got inducted,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Tuesday, 10.24.17 @ 22:51pm


Revised voting is now closed,

Votes from EDS, Ftr. S. Femme, Droule E. Spedde, Mooke R. Weingard and Razzle Is God have been removed, though we have voted to include votes from Logan and Co.
_________________________________________________________________________

Here are the final results (let me know ASAP if there are any errors):

Performers:

Tori Amos - 15

Queens of the Stone Age - 13

The Commodores - 12

George Michael - 11
System of a Down - 11

The Jesus And Mary Chain - 10
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Aphex Twin - 9
Brian Eno - 9
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Nas - 8
Rihanna - 8
The Pogues - 8

Foreigner - 7

Adele - 5
Sweet - 5
The Sonics - 5

Ben E. King - 4
Billy Idol - 4
The Faces / Small Faces - 4
The Killers - 4
The Moonglows - 4

Death - 3
Rufus & Chaka Khan - 3

Alanis Morissette - 2
Amy Winehouse - 2
Anthrax - 2
Gang of Four - 2
Mary J. Blige - 2
Modest Mouse - 2
Percy Sledge - 2
Ringo Starr - 2
Sting - 2
The Roots - 2
The Strokes - 2

Arctic Monkeys - 1
Barbra Streisand - 1
Bert Jansch - 1
Chubby Checker - 1
Cliff Richard & The Shadows - 1
Dan Fogelberg - 1
Dionne Warwick - 1
Elliott Smith - 1
Gorillaz - 1
Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes - 1
Jeff Buckley - 1
Linkin Park - 1
Little Feat - 1
Luther Vandross - 1
Ministry - 1
Minor Threat - 1
Minutemen - 1
Muse - 1
Petra - 1
Sade - 1
Sarah McLachlan - 1
Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings - 1
Sleater-Kinney - 1
Sublime - 1
Supertramp - 1
Swans - 1
The Dells - 1
The J. Geils Band - 1
The Misfits - 1
The Prodigy - 1
The Shangri-La's - 1
The Tokens - 1
Tina Turner - 1


This vote count includes the following votes:

BSLO
Dan
Greg F.
SotN
John R.C.
AlexVoltaire
Nicky Joe
MichaelEU
The_Claw
Lax34
Ian
Gassman
Paul K
Philip
Logan
Casper
Austin
DarinRG
Josh
Frankward
dmg
Ray
Darrin A
Steve Z
Paul In Ky
Nick
Rewd
Dave
Darren
jtrichey
Tom H.


The following Performers have been inducted as a result of this vote:

George Michael
Queens of the Stone Age
System of a Down
The Commodores
The Jesus And Mary Chain
Tori Amos


The following Performers will be involved in a tiebreaker vote:

Aphex Twin
Brian Eno


Anyone who voted in the Performers category this year (and whose vote was counted) is eligible to participate in the tiebreaker vote.

To vote in the tiebreaker vote, select your preferred Performer. The performer that receives the most votes will be inducted. In the event of a tie, the last vote cast will be disqualified to break the tie.

There will be two days of voting.

Voting will end at 10 PM Central (votes will be counted until 11 PM Central) on Thursday the 26th.
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Non-Performers:

Jimmy Iovine - 6
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“Cousin Brucie” Bruce Morrow - 4
Conny Plank - 4
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Bob Crewe - 3
Bob Johnston - 3
Lee Hazelwood - 3
Mark Ronson - 3
Robert "Bumps" Blackwell - 3

Phil Chess - 2

Bob Ezrin - 1
D.A. Pennebaker - 1
Deborah Chessler - 1
Estelle Axton - 1
George Goldner - 1
Godley and Creme - 1
Greil Marcus - 1
Moe Asch - 1
Sharon Osbourne - 1
Simon Cowell - 1
The Neptunes - 1


This vote count includes the following votes:

Greg F.
SotN
John R.C.
AlexVoltaire
Nicky Joe
MichaelEU
The_Claw
Lax34
Ian
Gassman
Philip
DarinRG
Josh
Frankward
dmg
Ray
Steve Z
Casper
Nick
Darren
Tom H.


The following Non-Performers have been inducted as a result of this vote:

Jimmy Iovine


The following Non-Performers will be involved in a tiebreaker vote:

“Cousin Brucie” Bruce Morrow
Conny Plank


Anyone who voted in the Non-Performers category this year (and whose vote was counted) is eligible to participate in the tiebreaker vote.

To vote in the tiebreaker vote, select your preferred Non-Performer. The performer that receives the most votes will be inducted. In the event of a tie, the last vote cast will be disqualified to break the tie.

There will be two days of voting.

Voting will end at 10 PM Central (votes will be counted until 11 PM Central) on Thursday the 26th.
_________________________________________________________________________

Influences:

Wendy Carlos - 8

Glenn Miller - 6
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The Last Poets - 5

Amos Milburn - 4
Odetta - 4

John Williams - 2
Loretta Lynn - 2
Terry Riley - 2

Bull Moose Jackson - 1
Burl Ives - 1
Charles Mingus - 1
Ennio Morricone - 1
Gene Autry - 1
Gene Krupa - 1
Joe Liggins - 1
Patti Page - 1
Son House - 1


This vote count includes the following votes:

Greg F.
SotN
John R.C.
AlexVoltaire
Nicky Joe
MichaelEU
The_Claw
Lax34
Ian
Gassman
Paul K
Philip
DarinRG
Josh
Frankward
dmg
Ray
Steve Z
Nick
Darren
Tom H.


The following Non-Performers have been inducted as a result of this vote:

Glenn Miller
Wendy Carlos
_________________________________________________________________________

Sidemen:

Martha Wash - 9

MFSB - 5
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Davey Johnstone - 3
Jaco Pastorius - 3
Paul Carrack - 3

"Daddy" Gene Barge - 2

Allan Holdsworth - 1
Dick Parry - 1
Lisa Germano - 1
Raphael Ravenscroft - 1
The Applejacks - 1
The Dreamlovers - 1
The Mar-Keys - 1


This vote count includes the following votes:

Greg F.
SotN
John R.C.
AlexVoltaire
Nicky Joe
MichaelEU
The_Claw
Lax34
Ian
Gassman
Paul K
Philip
DarinRG
Josh
Frankward
dmg
Ray
Steve Z
Nick
Darren
Tom H.


The following Non-Performers have been inducted as a result of this vote:

Martha Wash
MFSB

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 00:36am


My tiebreaker votes:

Brian Eno
“Cousin Brucie” Bruce Morrow

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 00:37am


With the five ballots added back in, I'm coming up with:

Tori Amos 15
Queens Of The Stone Age 13
The Commodores 12
George Michael 11
System Of A Down 11
The Jesus & Mary Chain 10
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Aphex Twin 9
Brian Eno 9
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Nas 8
The Pogues 8
Rihanna 8
Foreigner 7
Sweet 5
The Sonics 5
Adele 5
Billy Idol 4
The Moonglows 4
The Faces/The Small Faces 4
The Killers 4
Ben E. King 4
Death 3
Rufus & Chaka Khan 3
Amy Winehouse 2
Anthrax 2
Sting 2
Gang Of Four 2
Mary J. Blige 2
Modest Mouse 2
Ringo Starr 2
The Roots 2
Alanis Morissette 2
Percy Sledge 2
Arctic Monkeys 1
Barbra Streisand 1
Bert Jansch 1
Chubby Checker 1
Cliff Richard & The Shadows 1
Dan Fogelberg 1
Dionne Warwick 1
Elliot Smith 1
Gorillaz 1
Harld Melvin & The Blue Notes 1
Jeff Buckley 1
Linkin Park 1
Luther Vandross 1
Ministry 1
Minutemen 1
Sade 1
Sarah McLachlan 1
Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings 1
Sleater-Kinney 1
Swans 1
The Dells 1
The J. Geiles Band 1
The Prodigy 1
The Shangri-Las 1
The Strokes 2
The Tokens 1
Tina Turner 1
Muse 1
Petra 1
Sublime 1
Supertramp 1
Little Feat 1
Minor Threat 1
The Misfits 1


Non-Performers

Conny Plank 5
Jimmy Iovine 5
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Bob Johnston 4
Cousin Brucie 4
Mark Ronson 3
Robert "Bumps" Blackwell 3
Bob Crewe 3
Lee Hazelwood 2
Phil Chess 2
D.A. Pennebaker 1
Deborah Chessler 1
Estelle Axton 1
George Goldner 1
Godley & Crème 1
Greil Marcus 1
Moe Asch 1
The Neptunes 1
Sharon Osbourne 1
Simon Cowell 1
Bob Ezrin 1

Influences

Wendy Carlos 8
Glenn Miller 6
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The Last Poets 5
Odetta 4
Amos Milburn 4
John Williams 2
Loretta Lynn 2
Terry Riley 2
Bull Moose Jackson 1
Charles Mingus 1
Ennio Morricone 1
Gene Krupa 1
Joe Liggins 1
Patti Page 1
Son House 1
Gene Autry 1
Burl Ives 1

Sidemen

Martha Wash 10
MFSB 4
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Davey Johnstone 3
Jaco Pastorius 3
Paul Carrack 3
Daddy Gene Barge 2
Allan Holdsworth 1
Dick Parry 1
Lisa Pastorius 1
Raphael Ravenscroft 1
The Applejacks 1
The Dreamlovers 1
The Mar-Keys 1


Inducted are:

Tori Amos
Queens Of The Stone Age
The Commodores
George Michael
System Of A Down
The Jesus & Mary Chain

Non-Performers

Conny Plank
Jimmy Iovine

Influences

Wendy Carlos
Glenn Miller

Sidemen

Martha Wash
MFSB

There will be a tie breaker for the final spot in the Performer category between (I'll leave it to Darren to set the cutoff time and date):

Brian Eno
Aphex Twin

Thank you, gentlemen (and incognito ladies, if applicable). It's been another fun and relaxing round of Rock Hall Projected.


Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 01:10am


Aphex Twin

Conny Plank

Posted by Greg F on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 01:10am


Okay, guess we got ambitious at the same time.

Brian Eno

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 01:13am


I count 5 Conny Plank votes (SotN, Gassman, DarinRG, Ray, Tom H.), which would eliminate the NP tie breaker. We had a 1 vote variance on Jimmy Iovine, but I didn't recount him as he's in either way.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 01:24am


My vote goes to Aphex Twin

Posted by The_Claw on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 01:33am


I can confirm that Conny Plank has been inducted and that the tiebreaker in Non-Performers is now unnecessary.

It seems that I counted Ian's NP vote twice, once as his vote and once as Gassman's.

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 02:13am


Brian Eno for me, but I'd put Aphex Twin on my shortlist for next year.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 02:23am


Aphex Twin gets my vote, an induction for Eno as both a Performer and a Non-Performer seems like total overkill as this point.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 04:47am


Aphex Twin; and if there’s a NP tie-breaker then Conny Plank.

Posted by Ian on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 06:07am


My tiebreaker vote in the Performers category goes to:

Aphex Twin

My offer for a special amnesty election this year is still available for consideration,

Lax34

Posted by Lax34 on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 09:05am


I vote for Brian Eno

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 09:20am


Tiebreaker vote:

Brian Eno

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 10:02am


Brian Eno

He's clearly our biggest snub. We've inducted 9 of his albums into the Album Project!

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 10:50am


Aphex Twin

Posted by MichaelEU on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 11:57am


This is an extremely tough tiebreaker. Beyond VGM, I'm no electronic/ambient enthusiast like some of you, but I enjoy and respect both artists, and this situation has made me listen to them more than usual to help decide. Eno has stronger and more cohesive albums, but Aphex has more individual tracks I enjoy. Even typing this I haven't made up my mind...

I think whichever misses it will be a frontrunner next year, so I'm going with my gut and voting for Eno.

+1 vote for Brian Eno

Posted by Paul K. on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 16:31pm


Brian Eno

But I will support Aphex Twin in the future if they lose the tiebreaker.

Posted by BSLO on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 18:56pm


Brian Eno.

Posted by Philip on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 21:16pm


Aphex Twin

Posted by dmg on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 22:02pm


Tiebreaker - Brian Eno

I echo Gassman's statement - 9 albums inducted in the album project yet no induction to FRL's Performers category. That's an egregious snub, even if I think Eno's solo work is very polarizing and not always a fan of everything he does. But I respect Eno's musical experimentation, disregard for commercial success, and his consistent evolving as a musician. Aphex Twin is worthy, but it's time and quite frankly long overdue to honor Eno as a Performer in our Project.

Posted by Nick on Wednesday, 10.25.17 @ 23:48pm


Brian Eno

Posted by Ray on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 00:43am


My feeling on Eno's potential third induction is simple, his work with Roxy Music, his work as a solo artist and his work as a producer are separate elements of his career that are each important enough to merit induction.

We've triple inducted several artists and if I'm not mistaken they all would fall under the British Invasion/Classic Rock or R&B banners. I have no quarrel with any of those inductions, but a lot more than guitar rock has happened over the past 40 years. Those three elements of Brian Eno's career are foundational to such a huge swath of modern music.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 01:20am


Tiebreaker - Aphex Twin

Posted by Casper on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 02:08am


I'm not eligible to vote in the tie-breaker, but for what it's worthy, I'd probably throw a vote to Eno even though I like Aphex Twin way more.

Eno is kind of polarizing for me as well as when it comes to electronic music, I've always enjoyed more heavier rock-orientated electronic music (Daft Punk, Chemical Brothers, Moby, Prodigy, Underworld, etc.) than more moody, ambient styles, which of course Eno was a major pioneer of.

But his career predates Aphex Twin by 20 years so it makes logical sense to get the early electronic pioneers from the 70's (the worthy ones anyway) before the heavyweights of 90's electronica.

That being said, if Aphex Twin wins, it certainly won't hurt my feelings any.

And as far as the triple induction thing, Eno's work as a performer warrants induction, just like the work of Roxy Music does, and his production work in the 80's and 90's did. So I don't think it's overkill for Brian Eno to get a third induction.

Posted by Donnie on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 02:29am


This is a tough tiebreaker, as I support both artists, and I've been thinking this one through for the past few days.

Ultimately, I decided to give my vote to Brian Eno. I pushed for him as a performer back during the Revisited days, and this will be correcting one of the few wrongs that I believe we've made as a collective unit with this project.

I understand Nicky Joe's point, as we've never inducted an individual AS an individual twice into two different categories, but Eno, I think, merits this special occurrence. I certainly don't think we should make a habit of it. Someone previously mentioned how Willie Nelson, who was inducted as an influence, should go in as a performer, but both of those categories cover the same work, and would thusly be unnecessary. Let's try to avoid inducting individuals as individuals multiple times (someone getting in with a group and then solo or for NP work is a different story of course.)

To anyone unfamiliar with his work, check out Brian Eno's "By This River," which is a really beautiful song and my favorite from him.

Aphex Twin has my full support next year.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 17:50pm


Steve Z -

That's actually a very good distinction and point. And yes definitely don't want to make a habit of Eno style double dipping. Are there any other NPs who could also become Performers (or vice versa) due to distinct contributions to music in two different careers? The only one that immediately comes to mind is Dr. Dre.

P.S. I could support him a few years down the line, but I wouldn't call his solo career the next most important rap or hip-hop inductee. At the very least Nas and probably his protege Snoop should get the nod first. I will also absolutely positively vote for Kendrick Lamar Year 1 when the time comes. There is no other future tense eligible I support more than Kendrick, but we'll worry about that later.

Posted by Paul K. on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 18:36pm


Paul K. -

Off the top of my head, the only other two that fit are Dr. Dre and Todd Rundgren, but neither are really high up on my list, although I do like their music.

Nas and Snoop Dogg are definitely higher priorities for hip hop for me as well. This was my list of eligible Rap acts that I want to see get in:

Ice-T, Snoop Dogg, Nas, Boogie Down Productions, Salt-N-Pepa, Cypress Hill, the Fugees, Ice Cube, Aesop Rock, the Sugarhill Gang, Whodini, Queen Latifah, Naughty By Nature, MC Lyte

I hope we can get a few of these names in before Kendrick Lamar becomes eligible and slides in.

Posted by Steve Z on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 19:02pm


Another couple that come to mind are Todd Rundgren and Laura Nyro. Rundgren's own career as a performer is separate and Nyro was just placed in the wrong category. I would like to make a push Todd Rundgren as performer with his band Utopia paired with his solo career. I don't know if it would be worth pushing for Laura Nyro it seems pointless now.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 19:05pm


Robert Fripp and Dave Stewert for non-performers also come to mind. Even though they are not a high priority for me at this point.

Posted by Greg F on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 19:22pm


Dr. John in Side rather than Performer has always bugged me (and to a lesser extent, the Meters and Richard Thompson), but I really have no appetite for pushing a double induction in any of those cases unless we were to go with Richard & Linda Thompson in Performer, something that I could support, but that isn't high on my priority list right now.

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 21:34pm


As much as I like and support Aphex Twin, Brian Eno's the bigger snub, and I'll switch my support to Brian Eno for the tiebreaker.

Posted by SotN on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 21:42pm


Yeah, this is the only potential tie breaker scenario where Aphex Twin wouldn't have been my top pick.

Going forward I'll probably keep two ballot slots open for electonic acts, one for the more modern end (Aphex Twin, Moby, Underworld, Boards of Canada, Autechre, etc.) and one for the artists who got us to those acts (Tangerine Dream, Cluster, Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire, Human League, Gary Numan/Tubeway Army, etc.).

Posted by DarinRG on Thursday, 10.26.17 @ 22:20pm


Aphex Twin

Posted by jtrichey on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 00:15am


Tiebreaker voting is now closed.

Here are the final results (let me know ASAP if there are any errors; this count includes jtrichey's late vote because it doesn't change the final results):

Brian Eno - 14
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Aphex Twin - 9
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Here are the inductees from this year's Rock Hall Projected Project:

Performers

Brian Eno
The Commodores
George Michael
The Jesus & Mary Chain
Queens Of The Stone Age
System Of A Down
Tori Amos


Non-Performers

Conny Plank
Jimmy Iovine


Influences

Glenn Miller
Wendy Carlos


Sidemen

Martha Wash
MFSB

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 01:12am


With the Rock Hall Projected project completed for the year, the Projected Blind Ballot project is next. I'll try to get the instructions posted by midnight tomorrow night so that nominations can begin.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 01:18am


Nominations for the Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame Class of 2033 are now open. Please review the links posted above if you have questions about which artists have already been inducted and which artists are eligible for nomination.

Each voter can nominate a maximum of 3 performers, 1 non-performer, 1 early influence and 1 sideman.

The following individuals lost tiebreakers last year and are automatically nominated this year:

Performers:

Boston
Sting


Non-Performers:

None


Early Influences:

None


Sidemen:

None


Nominations will close and voting will open at 10 PM Central on Friday, November 3rd at 10 PM Central (nominations will be included until 11 PM Central. Voting will be done via email to hinesy24 @ yahoo.com (Please put "BLIND BALLOT VOTE" in the subject line of your email) and close at 10 PM Central on Friday, November 10th at 10 PM Central (votes will be counted until 11 PM Central).
_______________________________________________________________________________________




Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame By Year (Through 2032) :

http://hinesd24.blogspot.com/2017/10/blind-ballot-hall-of-fame-by-year.html


Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame Inductees (Through 2032):

http://hinesd24.blogspot.com/2017/10/blind-ballot-hall-of-fame-inductees.html


Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame - Newly Eligible Artists - 2033:

http://hinesd24.blogspot.com/2017/10/blind-ballot-hall-of-fame-newly.html


http://hinesd24.blogspot.com/2017/10/blind-ballot-hall-of-fame-previously.html

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 03:06am


FYI - I changed the email address for the blind ballot votes this year to hinesy24 @ yahoo.com for the sake of convenience. If this is a problem, we can go back to the previous email address.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 03:07am


Do you realise that you've forgotten about The Commodores in the 2033 performers?

Posted by Nicky Joe on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 04:24am


Blind ballot nominations

Kool & the Gang
Ministry
Lucinda Williams

Danger Mouse

Tampa Red

Valerie Carter

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 04:24am


To be clearer

performers:

Kool & the Gang
Ministry
Lucinda Williams

non-performer: Danger Mouse

influence: Tampa Red

sideman: Valerie Carter

Posted by Greg F on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 04:53am


Performers:

ten years after
melanie
koko taylor

Non-Performer: sergio mendes
Early Influence: lena horne
Sideman: tony peluso

Posted by churva on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 15:16pm


Performers:

J.J. Cale
Luther Vandross
Tracy Chapman

Non-Performer:

Phil Chess

Influence:

The Last Poets

Sidemen:

The Wailers

Posted by dmg on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 19:37pm


God, the overall inductee lineup for RHP was eclectic as hell this year. I like it a lot, but System of a Down? Really?

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 21:28pm


We're also ignoring some of the strong careers that were in the indie sphere instead of relatively mainstream like Queens of the Stone Age. There's no reason that Spoon shouldn't be inducted if they're in.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 21:29pm


Here are my own nominations:

Performers: Adele, Sleater-Kinney, The Pogues

Non-Performer: Babyface

Influence: Harry Belafonte

Sidemen: MFSB

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 21:54pm


Performers:

The Dells
The Moonglows
The Flamingos

Non-Performer:

Kal Mann (co-founder of Cameo/Parkway... should have thought of him with Bernie Lowe)

Influence:

The Golden Gate Quartet

Sideman:

The Applejacks

Posted by Philip on Friday, 10.27.17 @ 22:56pm


Casper / indie fans -

Definitely agree about us ignoring the indie sphere. Stone Age is a good band and I don't think they shouldn't be here, but I've never understood why they had so much traction as a priority here while "smaller" but certainly more critically acclaimed bands like Animal Collective or Spoon or The Strokes (who I wouldn't consider smaller either) had SO much less. As I said in the middle of the voting clustermess, the indie fans as a whole here need to rally behind 2-3 choices and catch up in this genre instead of constantly splitting the vote and feeling snubbed afterward.

I'm already voting for Wire (post-punk) and Elliott Smith (indie singer-songwriter). I'm definitely down to put at least a third vote in this umbrella. I'm definitely down to team up with you or anyone on a pet project that I too support. (Some of these things shouldn't even have to be pet projects though.)

As far as System of a Down, who I voted for, I do think they were at the top of their alt-metal subgenre as next in line. Not in the larger metal umbrella (my top pick there is Death, even before Anthrax), but System is definitely creative and respected enough to be a very good choice. In my opinion at least.

Posted by Paul K. on Saturday, 10.28.17 @ 11:51am


I am sorry, but the indie sphere being ignored? Contemporary indie has come by very often in our project. Among the recent inductees are The White Stripes (2025), The Flaming Lips (2027), Belle & Sebastian (2028), Arcade Fire (2029), LCD Soundsystem (2030), and Wilco (2031).
If you are feeling snubbed when an artist from that genre just got inducted, then you're acting like a spoiled brat, throwing a tantrum because you got stoner barbie when you wanted freakfolk barbie. ;)

Acclaim is an important criterium, but not our only, and when it comes to critical acclaim, QOTSA has nothing to complain, currently ranking at #159 in Acclaimed Music's Top 1000 greatest artists, only 9 spots below Spoon. Combine that with the fact that QOTSA actually managed to enter the mainstream and the influence that Josh Homme has on the music landscape of the last 15 years, both with QOTSA and with side projects, production work etc, I am not surprised that they were the top contender of this year.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 10.29.17 @ 06:59am


Next year, I'll throw in my support to some Contemporary R&B artists, a genre that is actually seriously being snubbed. I will be voting for Mary J Blige, and am considering TLC as well. And to support 90s electronics, another genre that needs more representation, Aphex Twin will have my vote too, along with the Prodigy.

Posted by The_Claw on Sunday, 10.29.17 @ 07:15am


>:( Yeah well... maybe us spoiled kids by the nature of being spoiled wanna collect ALL the Barbies, Claw. I hear Lo-fi Barbie and Neo-psych Barbie are all the rage right now, let's get them next, the R&B-themed Hot Wheels you want don't matter. :P

Anyway, didn't mean to imply indie is the only snubbed area. We could probably make that case for almost any genre that's not classic rock. and if we're not careful, classic rock will eventually seem snubbed too because we were trying to avoid it.

I could definitely get behind an R&B artist. I voted for The Commodores this year, and with them in would love to get behind some 90's R&B-pop so Mariah Carey isn't sitting alone. At this point TLC or Boyz II Men, and I will also research/listen to MJB more. Those three are priority over 00's artists imo, but I would be okay with Rihanna getting a second chance, and could back Usher one day also. I also think we should go back and get Ben E. King and Kool & the Gang inducted.



Out of curiosity, here are the artists in the top 175 on Acclaimedmusic's top 1000 list we have NOT inducted - going by this factor specifically, most of them do happen to be indie. That said totally agree with The_Claw that acclaim is not the only factor to consider (I myself want to see mainstream earworms Foreigner and Boston get in eventually), but it is A factor, so based on it:

83. Portishead
85. Primal Scream
95. Arctic Monkeys
100. Pulp
102. The Strokes
106. Pet Shop Boys
107. M.I.A.
108. Vampire Weekend
112. Animal Collective
117. Charles Mingus (def influence)
118. Aphex Twin
126. The National
134. Elliott Smith
150. Spoon
151. Morrissey (solo)
154. Yeah Yeah Yeahs
161. Dr. Dre (solo)
164. Sufjan Stevens
168. Bon Iver
169. The Streets
171. Franz Ferdinand

Don't support all of those personally, but they're food for future thought.

Posted by Paul K. on Sunday, 10.29.17 @ 13:57pm


Definitely with Portishead, The Arctic Monkeys and The Strokes!

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 10.29.17 @ 15:43pm


Yes-- I'm a little dismayed that Mary J. Blige only got 2 votes during Rock Hall Projected. To me, it seems obvious that she should get priority over Rihanna-- who had more hits, but not quite the impact or the influence.

And maybe TLC the year after. As a teenager in the 1990s, I can't say enough how important they were to the zeitgeist of the era.

All of this, of course, is part of the long-game, 5th-dimensional chess match to get Janelle Monae inducted by 2020.

Portishead or The Strokes might get my vote going forward, but I'm a little surprised that Sufjan Stevens doesn't come up all that often in these conversations.

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Sunday, 10.29.17 @ 20:23pm


Right now, I'm looking at the following for next year:

Aphex Twin

Billy Idol

Nas (unless another suitable hip hop artist gets a push, such as Snoop Dogg, the Sugarhill Gang, Salt 'n Pepa, Ice-T or the Fugees)

Rihanna or Mary J. Blige

Rufus with Chaka Khan

The Sonics (taking a break from pushing the Shangri-Las or other '60s pop acts, as the support just doesn't seem to be there)

They Might Be Giants (a personal favorite in terms of indie rock, even though they don't seem to have any other votes right now)

Posted by Ian on Monday, 10.30.17 @ 13:06pm


Right now I'm considering these artist for next year.

Aphex Twin

Anthrax

A country rock artist either: Poco, The Flying Burrito Brothers, The Dillards, Lucinda Williams or Ryan Adams

Little Feat

Spoon

Wire

Ministry

Tangerine Dream

Raspberries

Animal Collective

The Black Keys

Modest Mouse

Kool & the Gang

Posted by Greg F on Monday, 10.30.17 @ 21:32pm


I think the class we inducted is fine. I am only conflicted about The Jesus and Mary Chain. I have seen them play & as a comparison, Franz Ferdinand a so much better live act, it isn't even funny.

I guess it's all that influence & stuff that elected them...

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 10.31.17 @ 07:02am


Not sure who to ask, but can someone add the Commodores to this year's Performer inductees?

Posted by Ian on Tuesday, 10.31.17 @ 12:32pm


Paul K, I'd trim that list to the following artists who I feel had lengthy careers with a lot of important recordings:

83. Portishead
85. Primal Scream
100. Pulp
106. Pet Shop Boys
107. M.I.A.
108. Vampire Weekend
112. Animal Collective
118. Aphex Twin
126. The National
134. Elliott Smith
150. Spoon
164. Sufjan Stevens
168. Bon Iver



Arctic Monkeys were kind of a flash in the pan outside of the UK. Pass.

The Strokes are extremely borderline. They're clearly a one-album wonder, but what an album!

Mingus would just be us entering more jazz territory for no real reason. Not really a connection there to the Rock era.

We can toss Morrissey solo. There's a good case to be made for him, but not before any of these other acts.

Yeah Yeah Yeahs were just a little too front-loaded. The early material including the first three LPs was consistently great, but I just don't think they really set the world alight. It would be a rather easy "yes" had the wheels not come off very quickly after that excellent third album.

Dre as a performer is just needless. We're talking about a classic album and a pretty good one. He's already in as a rapper and a producer. No need to do it again.

The Streets are just too niche. Mike Skinner did a cool thing that got the attention of the critical community and the UK mainstream for a couple of very, very, very, very good albums, but nobody has really been influenced by it and the project was just an embarassment not long after that.

Franz Ferdinand is just kind of the same territory as The Killers or Arctic Monkeys. A little overrated in terms of hype for the first LP and then failed to really deliver on expectations after.



But wow, the remaining list I have at the top of this comment? That is a hell of a bunch of deserving artists. That's not even counting Wire or Fleet Foxes or They Might Be Giants or...

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.31.17 @ 21:18pm


I'd say Pet Shop Boys is the most perplexing omission. Especially since LCD Soundsystem got in fairly easy, leapfrogging Pet Shop Boys and Aphex Twin along with plenty of indie rock acts.

Pulp and Primal Scream seem to be on our wavelength so I'm not sure where the holdup is...both easily check all the boxes.

Elliott Smith seems like such an obvious selection yet he's never seemed to even get any traction in the annual voting. Another blatantly obvious Hall of Famer. Sufjan too.

Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 10.31.17 @ 21:22pm


FRL, tagging you so you see Ian's request to add The Commodores to the inductees list.

Casper, thanks for the response!

You cut most of the ones from Acclaimed's list I would have also. I can't believe Solo Morrissey is above any of the artists below him, and The Streets are definitely too niche. Charles Mingus would be a good influence though since we have plenty of essential jazz artists in that category.

I am going to make a countercase for Arctic Monkeys specifically too.

Arctic Monkeys - Disagree with calling them "flash in the pan" in America. They have been consistently in the most popular artists on last.fm's top 20 for several years. They also seem to be one of the more popular crossover appeal indie artists of the 2010s decade among 20somethings/millenials, right after Lana Del Rey. Of course this doesn't speak for their quality, but I definitely think they have more star power in 2017 than almost anyone else on that list.

Posted by Paul K. on Tuesday, 10.31.17 @ 23:28pm


I think my top 4 priorities at this point are Wire, Pulp, Tangerine Dream and Aphex Twin.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 11.1.17 @ 14:31pm


The Damned are a pretty huge snub at this point, too.

Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 11.1.17 @ 14:33pm


DarinRg, can't believe I forgot to put The Damned on my ballot! Wouldn't have gotten them in, but I should have had them on there.

As far as Casper's take on that list, I think Franz Ferdinand has as much or more stuff than Vampire Weekend or The National. Do think Spoon is a very underrated band.

I do like Pulp, but I wonder if they have enough material to really make a case for our RHP.

Posted by Paul in KY on Wednesday, 11.1.17 @ 14:40pm


A lot of names I'm seeing listed that I'm already behind 100% and a few to do some research on (namely Primal Scream).

I was actually dead set on voting for the Damned, Wire, and Elliott Smith this cycle, but I moved just as we started voting and I didn't have any internet until later in the process, and by then their support was all but nil, so I went with other acts that I support that had better traction.

Truth be told, I wish this was bi-annual or so. It seems to come and go so quickly. But I do enjoy continuing the conversations on all of these artists.

Posted by Steve Z on Wednesday, 11.1.17 @ 14:43pm


Blind Ballot Nominees

Sigur Ros
System of a Down
The Commodores

Non Performer

Bert Berns

Influence

Wendy Carlos

Sidemen

Carlos Alomar

Posted by Tom H. on Wednesday, 11.1.17 @ 17:49pm


As far as recent popularity goes, here's the full list of artists from that Acclaimed Music list above ranked by the highest US chart performance of their most recent album:

Vampire Weekend - Modern Vampires of the City (2013) - #1 (Second straight #1 album and second album to finish #1 on Pitchfork's annual list)

Bon Iver - 22, A Million (2016) - #2 (same as previous LP in 2011)

The National - Sleep Well Beast (2017) - #2 (Previous two LPs both landed at #3)

Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Mosquito (2013) - #5

Arctic Monkeys - AM (2013) - #6

Portishead - Third (2008) - #7

Sufjan Stevens - Carrie & Lowell (2015) - #10

Aphex Twin - Syro (2014) - #11

Morrissey - World Peace Is None Of Your Business (2014) - #14

Spoon - Hot Thoughts (2017) - #17

Franz Ferdinand - Right Thoughts, Right Words, Right Action (2013) - #24 *

Animal Collective - Painting With (2016) - #46

Pet Shop Boys - Super (2016) - #58

M.I.A. - AIM (2016) - #66



* Franz Ferdinand's collaborative album with Sparks in 2015 did not even chart!

NOTE: Primal Scream pretty much does not chart in the US with their albums. Pulp has basically been defunct as a recording band since their 2001 LP. Mingus has been dead since 1979 and Smith since 2003.

The Strokes, Dre, The Streets are effectively defunct as recording artists.

Obviously, indie rock and everything else circulating in the Pitchfork realm has effectively taken over both the professional and listener critical communities as far as acclaim and album sales go. With these artists tending to be known for their albums and the format as a whole continuing to die in relevance, it's only going to be more common to see these acts topping the charts.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 11.1.17 @ 18:00pm


Regarding Pulp, they have a four album run of His 'n' Hers/Different Class/This Is Hardcore/We Love Life that is highly regarded. Half the acts we've inducted already don't have four albums of that esteem.

So, to me, the case for Pulp is a pretty obvious yes.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 11.1.17 @ 18:05pm


Any chance we can have a project vote for Rock Hall Projected?

1) First, to lower the amount of inductees in the side categories. We've done this before and the consensus was "no" but that was years ago.

I think sidemen in particular is just getting ridiculous at this point as we keep digging further and further into a drastically shrinking pool of worthy names. To me, there just seems to be a discrepancy between the many important potential Performer inductees we have sitting at the sidelines and some "random ass guy who played bass in the 80s in studio sessions" already being inducted. When you induct two a year, this is what is going to happen. I'd drop it to one.

I'd personally do the same for at least the Influences category as well as we're literally inducting big band and jazz acts that have little connection to the rock world because, again, we have to induct two a year. I'd also drop it to one.


2) And a referendum on whether or not the years we have past in Rock Hall Projected should just be moved over to Rock Hall Revisited.

I understand the historical importance of noting that we basically are inducting acts only ten years out from their recording debuts and that leads to problems as some acts prove to be far more important over time and therefore should have been inducted earlier into Rock Hall Projected, etc.

But we can still make note of that on both pages. It just seems to me to make a lot more sense to be in line with where we're at in ACTUAL Cleveland inductions so that people can view Rock Hall Revisited as who should already be included NOW and Rock Hall Projected as ALWAYS future looking.

Posted by Casper on Wednesday, 11.1.17 @ 18:15pm


Opposed to item number 1, but in favor to item number 2.

Posted by Gassman on Wednesday, 11.1.17 @ 23:12pm


Of the acts Casper listed, I've seen Vampire Weekend, The National, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Arctic Monkeys, Spoon, Franz Ferdinand, Animal Collective.

All of them fine live acts (some more than others). Was not commenting on record sales, but more on critical acclaim, etc.

Posted by Paul in KY on Thursday, 11.2.17 @ 12:42pm


Proposal 1: I don’t think we’re already at the point that our selection of sidemen has become ludicrous, but it might be close, and it is worth asking ourselves if the sidemen that we’re inducting reach the same level of importance as the people in the other categories. MFSB, by the way, most certainly does reach that level. So it might be wise now to bring it back to one per year, before the level of importance becomes too much out of balance. I vote FOR for this category.

Regarding Outside Influences, I agree that there are a couple of inductees, that got inducted more on name recognition than on actual influence, while there are several people who were right there at the birth of rock n roll, but whose names have been largely forgotten and therefore don’t stand much of a chance. I have said before that IMHO this category should be used more for these unsung heroes. Just think how great we all think it is that the RRHOF finally puts Sister Rosetta Tharpe in the spotlight? Albeit in the wrong category, but still. There are more Sister Rosetta Tharpes out there. I’d encourage everybody to read up on these people. I don’t think that reducing the number of inductees would improve this category, so I vote AGAINST regarding this category.

Proposal 2. I have no reason to vote against, so you can consider this a vote FOR.

Posted by The_Claw on Thursday, 11.2.17 @ 14:01pm


I basically agree fully with The_Claw on Casper's proposals:

1a. YES on Sidemen being 1 a year. This category is the only one in danger of being watered down, and is becoming disproportionately hard to find good candidates for. Half of our ballots don't even bother.
1b. NO on Influences being 1 a year.
2. YES, why not?


After this proposal is settled, I think we should spend a couple weeks discussing who our Sidemen, Non-Performers, and Influences snubs are. The Performers will and always should be the star of the project so it's easy in general to worry less about fine tuning the quality of these categories unfortunately.

Posted by Paul K. on Thursday, 11.2.17 @ 14:20pm


Blind Ballot Hall of Fame nominees for me will be:

The KLF
Portishead
Vampire Weekend


Non Performer: Conny Plank

Influence: Terry Riley

Posted by SotN on Thursday, 11.2.17 @ 20:34pm


If it's possible, I wish to replace one of my nominees. I could have sworn someone nominated Aphex Twin before I had posted, so I didn't nominate him. I wish to replace my KLF nomination with Aphex Twin.

Posted by SotN on Thursday, 11.2.17 @ 23:28pm


Blind Ballot noms:

Performer:
LL Cool J
Styx
St. Vincent

Sidemen:
Slash

Posted by jtrichey on Thursday, 11.2.17 @ 23:52pm


Alright, so here's where the project voting stands...


1A) Limit the annual number of Sidemen inductees to 1 instead of 2:

Yes - 3 votes (Casper, Paul K, The_Claw)
No - 1 vote (Gassman)

1B) Limit the annual number of Influences inductees to 1 instead of 2:

Yes - 1 vote (Casper)
No - 3 votes (Gassman, Paul K, The_Claw)

2) Make it so Rock Hall Projected always starts with the upcoming year (so RHP would start with our 2019 class and the older ones would be moved over to Rock Hall Revisited):

Yes - Unanimous (Casper, Gassman, Paul K, The_Claw)



Let's get in some more ballots on these issues.

I think the second proposal will surely pass and it just makes the most sense at this point as it will effectively turn Rock Hall Revisited into a "who we already would have inducted" page which was the initial intent, anyway.

Limiting the sidemen category is going to be the thornier issue and that's why I'd like there to be a lot of ballots weighing in on this issue.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 01:19am


I had always assumed that the classes would slide from Projected to Re-visited every year that passes, so I support the idea.

I really don't care about the other topic either way.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 01:54am


My nominees:

Modest Mouse
Nas
The National

Posted by Darren on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 01:56am


I don't think indie has been neglected, so much as there's so much indie rock out there that it's difficult to form a consensus on which artists to honor. The genre is spread so thin due to the massive amount of available content that we end up spreading the vote thin.

Every artist listed as prominent candidates from this genre has their positives and their negatives. Acts like Animal Collective, Spoon and Elliott Smith are acclaimed, but not particularly popular (people know that they're supposed to listen to them, but do they actually?), whereas The Killers are popular but rarely acclaimed.

While I would note that I've never considered Queens of the Stone Age to be "mainstream", I know that they get more airplay on rock stations than more traditional "indie" bands do.

From the lists, I would definitely support Vampire Weekend and the National. Modest Mouse and TV on the Radio haven't been included in the conversation, but they're top priorities for me as well. The Killers, Franz Ferdinand and Muse are right on the borderline for me. Arctic Monkeys could get my vote, but they're not a high priority.

As for the Strokes, I can't say for sure that I wouldn't vote for them, but I don't think it's very likely. If they had been able to even approach their first album's quality with any of their follow-ups, they'd be a priority, but, imo, they never did. Ultimately, I view them as a disappointing band.

One idea that I've kicked around over the years is to have a run-off system for this project's voting. In the initial vote, every voter would be able to vote for whatever 7 eligible artists that they wanted, but after the initial vote, artists that appear on a certain % of the ballots would be inducted while the remaining induction spots would be determined by a second vote, which would only include artists that received a minimum number of votes in the initial vote.

For example, let's say 30 people vote next year. 2 artists receive more than 12 votes and are automatically inducted. 25 artists receive beween 3 and 11 votes. Those 25 artists would be involved in the run-off vote to determine the final 5 inductees. This would ensure that only artists with popular support would be on final ballots and artists that only got 1 or 2 votes in the initial ballot wouldn't. In other words, there would be fewer "wasted votes" in any given year. I think that this would help to consolidate support for artists in a way that could only otherwise be done by having a nomination process, which this project has never had.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 02:20am


I would say

YES on 1a) reduction of sidemen to 1 a year

definitely NO on 1b) no reduction in the influence category (also in the non-performers category)

YES on 2)

and also YES on Darren's idea of an initial voting round.

Posted by MichaelEU on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 14:06pm


Personally I can still think of about 10 sidemen that could still be inducted:

Davey Johnstone
The Memphis Boys
Steve Lukather
David Lindley
Larry Carlton
Bobby Graham
The Section
The Nashville A-Team
Steve Gadd
Adrian Belew

I imagine there are more out there too.

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 14:31pm


Darren's run-off idea is great and I believe I had posted something along those lines here before. There's just SO many wasted votes when we do this project because people have like a week to throw their ballot up there and choose just 7 out of a field of hundreds of possibilities.

I think there's an obvious solution.

First round - anything with 50% or more is inducted.

Second round - anything with 25% or more become the ONLY available options.


We could do this for all the categories. It would actually be GREAT for the side categories as we can allow voters that didn't vote in the first round to vote in the second, meaning that would give us time to research the, say, four Influences "nominees" and then come back with our selections from that group.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 15:50pm


For this most recent induction, actually NONE of the Performers selections surpassed 50% of the vote although Tori Amos was close with 15 from 31 ballots.

We would have then had a run-off of the following names:

Tori Amos - 15
Queens of the Stone Age - 13
The Commodores - 12
George Michael - 11
System of a Down - 11
The Jesus And Mary Chain - 10
Aphex Twin - 9
Brian Eno - 9
Nas - 8
Rihanna - 8
The Pogues - 8


Obvious irony being that we sort of ended up in that position anyway thanks to the spam ballots.


None of the side categories had the inductees passing 50%. I guess a rule for the second round that we need to add is that if there's not enough names at 25% or more to even allow for a secondary round, then the threshold should drop to 15%. A lot of the inducted names in the side categories didn't even reach 25%. By default, I guess we can just automatically induct any acts that are on the borderline, for example:

1 non-perfomer passes 50% of the vote in the first round

2nd non-performer gets 30% of the vote

No other non-performers reached 25% of the vote. Therefore, we just go ahead and induct that second selection.





Now, I understand the argument of having a lower threshold and THEN voting in the second round, but even if indie music isn't being widely represented in the voting, we have an entire year to get our shit together. There's always pre-voting discussions, people announcing that they're voting for ____, etc.

Personally, I think we're starting to induct too many mainstream names that are a cut under a lot of the best indie/underground ones and I'd honestly be down with starting a pact where those of us that want to opt-in have a vote for a Top 7 indie artists and agree to vote for those in the main election NO MATTER WHAT. It won't really constitute ballot stuffing as I doubt there will be enough takers to make a complete difference. We'd have 9 of 31 voters to theoretically agree to an "indie pact" just to get some of these names to even be guaranteed a run-off in the last election.

But it would have a HUGE effect among those that would consider cherry picking some of those artists. So if somebody doesn't agree to the indie pact, but knows that Spoon is getting six votes because of it, they'll toss another Spoon's way, etc.

I'd theorize that the best way to accomplish this would be a quick nominations round where acts in that realm make it to our master list if, say, three users nominate them. Then we vote and whittle down the list to seven names for the next election season. I 100% will agree to vote for ALL of those names and I'm sure some other voters here would do the same.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 16:04pm


Darren:

How would your idea work based on the results on our last vote?

I am very hesitant to change when it comes to this project, especially some of the core procedures. Of all the projects, this one especially, feels like my baby. However, I'm willing to be open to this idea. Especially if we keep the induction numbers the same (7-2-2-2).

Posted by Gassman on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 16:17pm


I vote no to reducing the number of inductees in any category. People just have to do deeper digging, myself included. If Darren's suggestion helps give other voters initiative to research sidemen or influence candidates, then I'm ok with that.

Also, why wouldn't we induct the significant big band and jazz acts in the influence category? Jazz and boogie woogie are always listed as foundational genres to rock and roll, and big band/swing is a combination of the two. How can we be alright with inducting a Miles Davis or a John Coltrane, but frown upon inducting other pioneers of the genre that laid the ground work for some of these artists?

Gene Krupa & Buddy Rich revolutionized drumming

Benny Goodman's 1938 Carnegie Hall concert is considered "Jazz's coming out party to the world of respectable music" and is ranked as "the single most important Jazz or popular music concert in history"

Bix Beiderbecke is one of the most influential Jazz soloists of all time and his innovative improvisations led to the creation of the cool jazz of the 1950's.

The Andrews Sisters are a precursor to all of the famous girl groups of the '50s and '60s.

and these are just a few of the worthy swing era jazz acts that are not inducted. Its ridiculous to me to ignore this era of music.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 16:23pm


Certainly, if we have enough discussion that we agree to Darren's proposal, I think a lot of us would change our minds on the limiting of categories as this would effectively give people a better way to be involved. It's just that there's few rock aficionados that can really come up at the top of their head with the 71st and 72nd best sidemen inductees and then post them on their ballot. We just have not had nowhere near the discussion and research on these categories to give people automatic options that they want to vote for, so Darren's procedural changes (maybe something along what I envisioned in a post above) could be the answer.

And at the end of the day, it's just SO much more meaningful to see a group consensus where a non-performer is inducted with like 9 votes instead of 4. It will have meant that people dug deeper into a handful of available options and went ahead and chose the best one. Some of the times that we've ran this thing, we've basically just had a free-for-all where a bunch of candidates just get 2-4 votes and someone is inducted more by chance than anything else. This would change that as a second round pretty much ensures a majority consensus.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 16:31pm


In regards to moving some of the original Projected classes to the Revisited page, I'm ambivalent.

I don't think its too confusing to have the years passed listed here, since it just marks where one project ended and the other began, but if they are moved over it wouldn't be anything major. It just sounds like more work for the FRL mod though, giving him (or her?) something extra to move around every year.

I'm also a strong NO to forming pacts. Something like that happened with the 2024 class and it ended up predetermining the entire class before voting even began.

I am, however, all for people campaigning for artists and building support that way. For example, you can choose a particular artist and push for why you think this act should be the next entry of its genre into our project.

Maybe we can create a one genre per month discussion like we previously had, but instead of just listing a bunch of groups we want in, we each pick one act from the month's genre and state why we think they should be next. Its more organic that way and I think we'd learn a lot about multiple acts.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 16:38pm


Still leaning towards limiting sidemen, regardless.

To put it into perspective, I count 48 elections which have lead us to induct a total of 96 backing groups and sidemen. I'm sorry, but that quickly becomes a very shallow pool and where does it really stop? Do we need to induct 200 of these? 300?

I'm never going to propose going forward that we shut off ANY of the three categories as I feel there's always worthy names that will have slipped under our radar or more modern ones that deserve our attention. But limiting things a little wouldn't be that bad.

I mean, as it stands, it's only dropping the sidemen category from 2 to 1 that has real traction around here and I wouldn't plan on submitting any proposals to limit the other categories in the near future.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 16:39pm


It seems like we have basically no real opposition to moving the older classes to Rock Hall Revisited.

I plan on sending a message to FRL to tweak a lot of stuff around here like I usually do about every year or so (I'll probably wait until after the inductions announcement since that obviously effects a lot of this site's lists and such). I will effectively tell him to make the switch if he doesn't do it already via this comment. Rock Hall Projected would then begin with the 2019 class.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 16:44pm


Rock Rankings needs to just add acts based on their inductions from now on and that's final. I don't even think the revised rankings wherever incorporated into the site and the extended list of Performers that went to 500 names was pretty terrible the second time around as it was woefully mainstream. Most of the names we induct here at RHP at this point are considered near the bottom tier, anyway, which is why we haven't inducted them yet. So as far as rock rankings are concerned, it just makes sense to add the names to the bottom of their respective categories and just move on. Revising that list clearly isn't a project that merits being worth the time and it just creates a huge hassle for FRL to try and re-organize everything.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 16:47pm


There is going to be a slight bit of work with changing the designations for the Rock Hall Revisited inductees from 2011 to 2018 to Rock Hall Projected, but it's kind of a one-time thing followed by changing a single induction year annually (such as moving the 2019 group over to Rock Hall Revisited next fall, etc.)

Snubs page can probably be expanded to include everything but the Sidemen as that category is just a little too unwieldy and I don't really think we need to have the casual user coming to FRL and thinking that the non-inductions of Kraftwerk and Jah Wobble are on the same level. But there's no reason that page shouldn't have smaller boxes mentioning the songwriters, producers, etc. that have yet to be included in the real Hall.

Posted by Casper on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 16:51pm


Chiming in on Gassman's side, the initial suggestion of making a major change to the voting procedure leaves a bad taste in my mouth. While Darren's reasoning is totally sound, it does makes things more complicated, even if just a little. Which is fine for regulars, but unnecessarily confusing for newcomers.

I think voting rules are fine the way they are (free-for-all). We just have to keep up the discussion during the off season, and fans of certain niches or genres should work together better to come to a consensus on candidates (without making pacts). Basically agree with Steve Z. on what he said about this - we should campaign more and do the "genre of the month" discussions again. This will discourage (but not prevent) "vote wasting." The fact that we aren't forced to choose from someone else's nominees is what makes this project distinct, and I personally like that fact.

Posted by Paul K. on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 17:55pm


I see a fair amount of activity here. I haven't visited Projected very often compared to the Nominees and Predictions threads. Seeing posts about sidemen is quite intriguing, especially as I know relatively little about them. But there are a number of topics here that I'd like to become familiar with. I've visited FRL for 5 years but haven't posted 'til this week.

Posted by Mark Tesla on Saturday, 11.4.17 @ 00:02am


Nominations are now closed for the Blind Ballot Rock Hall Project.

Please let me know ASAP if any nominees have been missed:

Here are the nominated Performers:

Adele
Aphex Twin
Boston
J.J. Cale
Koko Taylor
Kool & the Gang
LL Cool J
Lucinda Williams
Luther Vandross
Melanie
Ministry
Modest Mouse
Nas
Portishead
Sigur Ros
Sleater-Kinney
St. Vincent
Sting
Styx
System of a Down
Ten Years After
The Commodores
The Dells
The Flamingos
The Moonglows
The National
The Pogues
Tracy Chapman
Vampire Weekend


If you'd like to vote in this category, your ballot must include exactly 7 nominated Performers.
______________________________________________________________________

Here are the nominated Non-Performers:

Babyface
Bert Berns
Conny Plank
Danger Mouse
Kal Mann
Phil Chess
Sergio Mendes

If you'd like to vote in this category, your ballot must include exactly 2 nominated Non-Performers.
______________________________________________________________________

Here are the nominated Influences:

Harry Belafonte
Lena Horne
Tampa Red
Terry Riley
The Golden Gate Quartet
The Last Poets
Wendy Carlos

If you'd like to vote in this category, your ballot must include exactly 2 nominated Influences.
______________________________________________________________________

Here are the nominated Sidemen:

Carlos Alomar
MFSB
Slash
The Applejacks
The Wailers
Tony Peluso
Valerie Carter

If you'd like to vote in this category, your ballot must include exactly 2 nominated Sidemen.
______________________________________________________________________

To vote, please email your ballot to hinesy24 @ yahoo.com with an email subject of "Blind Ballot Vote". When I receive and process your ballot, I'll send you a confirmation email address.

There will be 7 days of voting. Voting will end at 10 PM Central (votes will be counted if time-stamped prior to 11 PM Central) on Friday the 10th.

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 11.4.17 @ 01:17am


I wouldn't set the minimum vote requirement for initial vote induction at 50%. Something more like 40% would be a better fit.

Based on this year's results, the following artists would have received at least 12 votes and be inducted in the initial vote (George Michael and System of a Down could also be included with 11 votes. Perhaps we could vote on the cutoff points each year):

Tori Amos - 15
Queens of the Stone Age - 13
The Commodores - 12

For the follow-up vote, I would include the 17 performers that received at least 4 votes (though the cut-off could also be the 12 performers that received at least 5 votes or even include the 2 performers that received 3 votes as well):

George Michael - 11
System of a Down - 11
The Jesus And Mary Chain - 10
Aphex Twin - 9
Brian Eno - 9
Nas - 8
Rihanna - 8
The Pogues - 8
Foreigner - 7
Adele - 5
Sweet - 5
The Sonics - 5
Ben E. King - 4
Billy Idol - 4
The Faces / Small Faces - 4
The Killers - 4
The Moonglows - 4


Voters would then be allowed to cast a ballot based on just those "nominees", with the top 4 vote-getters being inducted.

Of the 31 "legit" ballots cast this year, 46 out of 217 votes were cast for performers that received less than 4 votes. Having a run-off vote would distribute those votes towards the performers with more support, while still ensuring that the performers with "runaway support" would be inducted without the run-off vote.

This is a thought I've been kicking around for a while. It's certainly something we could refine further if we decided it was worth looking into for future inductions.

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 11.4.17 @ 01:30am


and I'd honestly be down with starting a pact where those of us that want to opt-in have a vote for a Top 7 indie artists and agree to vote for those in the main election NO MATTER WHAT. It won't really constitute ballot stuffing


Posted by Casper on Friday, 11.3.17 @ 16:04pm


I'm sorry but that sounds like a perfect definition of ballot stuffing. There are rules in place against that kind of quid pro quo.


As for a two tier induction system, I am all for it, but it also has been shot down in the past. I had questioned the lack of a nomination process when I first started and was shouted down quite forcefully. To me, it doesn't make any sense not to have some kind of nomination list.

As for the inductions getting too mainstream, puhhhlease. I am by no means saying you need to be on pop radio, but a hall of fame does have the word FAME right there in the title. We have made plenty of room for the non-famous (System of a Down, Neu! Bad Brains, Bauhaus just in recent years) to make it sound like we need more of that is disingenuous. Everyone says these non-famous artists were oh so influential, but 75% of influence talk is unproveable BS right off the bat. I have nothing against getting some of those artists in, but have a lot against bending over backwards to get them in because they somehow "deserve" it more.

When a band like Muse who are innovative and unique but yet can actually put out rock music that finds an audience are treated as second class to someone like Elliott Smith, it's a joke. Muse isn't even that popular. Ask around the general public to name a Muse song, I doubt you would get 5% of people that can do it. But they are too mainstream for our project? What a joke.

Posted by jtrichey on Saturday, 11.4.17 @ 23:32pm


Thank you, jtrichey. On the money. And there are still '60s artists I'd like to see get in that I think are deserving too.

Posted by Philip on Sunday, 11.5.17 @ 00:03am


jtrichey - System of a Down sold millions of albums and got a lot of mainstream rock airplay. I hardly think that they were "non-famous".

Posted by Darren on Sunday, 11.5.17 @ 02:56am


I may have missed it but I haven't seen anybody say or imply the inductees were getting too mainstream. (or imply Muse was less deserving than other artists beyond them not being mentioned as much. I would vote for Muse).

The arguments of having more "non-household name" artists like Neu! or Bad Brains vs. having extremely popular artists like Beyonce or Mariah Carey (or anybody in-between) are not mutually exclusive anyway. With 7 slots there's clear room for a mix of all kinds in each class, and most people's ballots show they're willing to vote for a wide range.

The argument here is not that we should put in more "obscure" artists because they are somehow superior to more famous ones (which I hope nobody believes). It's that the votes being placed in particular niches are being split too thin or being viewed as "this year's token X inductee." This could happen to ANY genre, but it's more prevalent with indie rock, where you see as many as 10 different indie bands with 1 or 2 votes each year. It's not to imply indie bands are superior, more deserving, or the only ones snubbed, it's just much harder for them to get all of their traction in one or two baskets compared to other genres even though there's clearly fans here.

Posted by Paul K. on Sunday, 11.5.17 @ 11:28am


In the past I've been against a nomination system, seeing it as a solution in search of a problem, but I've softened a bit on my view. It's quite possible that Darren's idea could enhance the project. I'd be willing to give it a try next year.

I also have to add that we haven't inducted any obscure acts into our Hall of Fame. The band playing to 50 people at the local bar is obscure. Anybody that we've inducted have multi-generational worldwide fan bases into the multi millions and have had tangible influence on the direction that specific branches of rock and pop music have taken.

Posted by DarinRG on Sunday, 11.5.17 @ 12:48pm


Perhaps we could increase the number of performer inductees up to 8 if people are fine with that.

Posted by Nicky Joe on Sunday, 11.5.17 @ 15:56pm


System of a Down is more famous than Neu! That's fine Darren.

As for what I was reacting to. Here are a few quotes:

Personally, I think we're starting to induct too many mainstream names that are a cut under a lot of the best indie/underground ones and I'd honestly be down with starting a pact where those of us that want to opt-in have a vote for a Top 7 indie artists and agree to vote for those in the main election NO MATTER WHAT. It won't really constitute ballot stuffing as I doubt there will be enough takers to make a complete difference.


and


Every artist listed as prominent candidates from this genre has their positives and their negatives. Acts like Animal Collective, Spoon and Elliott Smith are acclaimed, but not particularly popular (people know that they're supposed to listen to them, but do they actually?), whereas The Killers are popular but rarely acclaimed.

While I would note that I've never considered Queens of the Stone Age to be "mainstream", I know that they get more airplay on rock stations than more traditional "indie" bands do.

From the lists, I would definitely support Vampire Weekend and the National. Modest Mouse and TV on the Radio haven't been included in the conversation, but they're top priorities for me as well. The Killers, Franz Ferdinand and Muse are right on the borderline for me.

Posted by jtrichey on Sunday, 11.5.17 @ 22:33pm


Just for a fun, alternative statistic to the Acclaimed's "most acclaimed of all-time" list, here's the top 12 overall most popular/listened to artists on last.fm that are NOT inducted here yet. I compiled this one manually while at work since last.fm doesn't seem to have an easily accessed chart for this, but I think this is accurate.

1. Rihanna (4.38 million individual listeners)
2. The Killers (4.27m)
3. Muse (3.98)
4. Linkin Park (3.84)
5. Lady Gaga (3.64)
6. Katy Perry (3.60)
7. Gorillaz (3.44)
8. Kings of Leon (3.34)
9. Arctic Monkeys (3.34)
10. Maroon 5 (3.34)
11. Black Eyed Peas (3.23)
12. The Strokes (3.16)

Anything vital or priority from this list for anyone?

Posted by Paul K. on Monday, 11.6.17 @ 18:10pm


Yes to Muse, Arctic Monkeys, The Strokes, Gorilaz and The Killer
Maybe to Lady GaGa, Linkin Park and Kings of Leon
Hell no to everyone else

Posted by Nicky Joe on Tuesday, 11.7.17 @ 11:36am


Probably responding to an old comment, but in our Rock Hall projected performer classes, about the only 'obscure' person we've inducted is Harry Nilsson, IMO.

He wasn't obscure to us, but he's not known at all to most regular music listeners, IMO

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 11.7.17 @ 12:32pm


Nicky Joe, I've seen The Strokes and they are a fine live act & I love their first album, but to place them ahead of Lady Gaga is a bit 'out there', IMO.

The Strokes have also broken up & before 2033 or whatever I expect The Lady to put out a few more albums.

Posted by Paul in KY on Tuesday, 11.7.17 @ 12:36pm


There are exactly four notable newly eligibles coming up next class, I would say.

Lady Gaga, Lana Del Rey, Mumford & Sons, and Tame Impala.

I do love some of Tame Impala's work, but they're very low on their totem pole. No chance at a first year induction.

Mumford & Sons has had a strong decade but I wouldn't call even their fans particularly enthusiastic about them. Then again, Dave Matthews Band got in eventually, so who knows?

I love many Lana Del Rey tracks and her crossover appeal. Don't see much traction but she could be a pet project of mine in future years.

Posted by Paul K. on Tuesday, 11.7.17 @ 12:58pm


So far, I've received the following blind ballot votes:

Darren
Greg F.
jtrichey
AlexVoltaire
Churva
Tom H.
SotN
Phillip


If you've sent me a vote and your name isn't on this list, let me know ASAP.

Posted by Darren on Wednesday, 11.8.17 @ 22:13pm


Since my last post, I received dmg's vote.

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 11.9.17 @ 23:31pm


Reminder - Voting in the Blind Ballot Hall Of Fame ends at 10 PM Central on Friday. No votes will be accepted after 11 PM Central on Friday.

Posted by Darren on Thursday, 11.9.17 @ 23:39pm


Hey Darren, I've never participated in the blind ballot vote, but I think I'll send a ballot in this go around. It'll be from a different email than the one I use on here.

In regards to the Acclaimed and last.fm lists that Paul K listed, the only two bands that are on both are the Strokes and Arctic Monkeys interestingly enough. Arctic Monkeys weren't really on my radar, but perhaps I'll take a closer look at them now.

Anyway, as for the two lists in question, the acts I support are:

Acclaimed's list: Portishead, Pulp, the Strokes, Pet Shop Boys, Animal Collective, Aphex Twin, Elliott Smith, Sufjan Stevens, & Franz Ferdinand (with Charles Mingus for the Influence category)

last.FM's list: The Killers, Gorillaz, the Strokes
I'd support a Lady Gaga induction, but only after Cyndi Lauper. She's the pop star that made it alright to be "weird," which we've seen in a lot of today's pop stars, including Gaga and Katy Perry.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 11.10.17 @ 15:39pm


I received votes from Ray and Steve Z.

Posted by Darren on Friday, 11.10.17 @ 22:58pm


Voting is now closed.

Votes were received in all 4 categories from the following voters:

Darren
Greg F.
jtrichey
AlexVoltaire
Churva
Tom H.
SotN
Phillip
dmg
Ray
Steve Z
Nick
___________________________________________

Here are the final results:

Performers:

The following performers have been inducted as a result of this vote:

Adele
Aphex Twin
Kool & the Gang
LL Cool J
The Dells


The following performers will be involved in a tiebreaker vote:

Boston
Ministry
Sleater-Kinney
System of a Down
The Commodores
The Moonglows

Anyone who voted in this year's blind ballot vote is eligible to vote in the tiebreaker. To vote, rank all 6 performers in order of preference and email the rankings to hinesy24 @ yahoo.com.

The 2 performers that get the most points will be inducted. The other 4 will automatically be nominated next year.

In the event of a tie, the first tiebreaker will be the number of highest overall rankings.

There will be 2 days of tiebreaker voting.

Tiebreaker voting will end at 10 PM Central (votes counted until 11 PM Central) on Sunday the 12th.
________________________________________________

Non-Performers:

The following Non-Performers have been inducted:

Danger Mouse
Phil Chess
________________________________________________

Influences:

The following Influences have been inducted:

Harry Belafonte


The following Influencs will be involved in a tiebreaker vote:

Terry Riley
Wendy Carlos

Anyone who voted in this year's blind ballot vote is eligible to vote in the tiebreaker. To vote, email your preference of the two influences to hinesy24 @ yahoo.com.

The influence that get the most points will be inducted. The other will automatically be nominated next year.

In the event of a tie, the last vote cast will be disqualified to break the tie.

There will be 2 days of tiebreaker voting.

Tiebreaker voting will end at 10 PM Central (votes counted until 11 PM Central) on Sunday the 12th.
________________________________________________

Sidemen:

The following Sidemen have been inducted:

Carlos Alomar
MFSB

Posted by Darren on Saturday, 11.11.17 @ 00:18am


Tiebreaker voting is now closed.


I didn't recieve tiebreaker ballots from the following, eligible voters (I received them from the other eligible voters):

Churva
Nick
SotN
Tom H.


The following Performers have been inducted as a result of winning the tiebreaker:

The Commodores
Sleater-Kinney


The following Performers lost the tiebreaker and will automatically be nominated for next year's Blind Ballot Project:

Boston
Ministry
The Moonglows
System Of A Down
__________________________________________________

The following Influence has been inducted as a result of winning the tiebreaker:

Wendy Carlos


The following Influence lost the tiebreaker and will automatically be nominated for next year's Blind Ballot Project:

Terry Riley
__________________________________________________

Here are the final inductees of this year's Blind Ballot Project:

Performers:

Adele
Aphex Twin
The Commodores
The Dells
Kool & the Gang
LL Cool J
Sleater-Kinney


Non-Performers:

Danger Mouse
Phil Chess


Influences:

Harry Belafonte
Wendy Carlos


Sidemen:

Carlos Alomar
MFSB

Posted by Darren on Monday, 11.13.17 @ 03:10am


Thank you, Darren, for conducting this project so ably. I'm delighted that two of my artist nominees got in this year!

Posted by AlexVoltaire on Tuesday, 11.14.17 @ 01:02am


The voting cheaters never did answer us did they?

Hmmmm? Makes you wonder.

Posted by jtrichey on Thursday, 11.16.17 @ 23:44pm


jtrichey, that's why I was fine with throwing out all their ballots.

Posted by Paul in KY on Friday, 11.17.17 @ 09:12am


Yeah, I felt the same way too. It didn't make sense to me that if someone's friend was accused of cheating, when in reality he allowed that person and several others to join in, that no one would've posted (from their own house/computer) and acknowledged that he was telling the truth.

Good on FRL for jumping in and telling us what happened immediately.

Posted by Steve Z on Friday, 11.17.17 @ 17:54pm


I still see no reason to doubt Logan's claims, and his relatives don't have to prove squat. It's silly to still be making a big deal about this.

Posted by dmg on Saturday, 11.18.17 @ 12:23pm


If Logan's friends and family were just casual one-time users, it's totally possible he never even told them about the controversy and also totally possible they never gave this site a second thought. I can see why someone wouldn't want to introduce someone to a site they liked one day just to turn around and be like "hey, they think you're a troll, I'm gonna need you to catch up on all this discussion and post from your own computer." Of course maybe he DID totally just bamboozle us all. Either way, we collectively accepted the votes weeks ago. Our inducted class turned out pretty nice. Time to move on and safeguard ourselves next year with voter registration.

In the mean time, is anybody opposed to dedicating a few weeks to discussing candidates from various genres like was done a couple years ago? It'd be a productive way to pass the time. If everyone's down for that, someone should make a list of genres and schedule to go along with them.

Posted by Paul K. on Saturday, 11.18.17 @ 22:35pm


Paul K.,
I support your proposed idea 100%. Here's why - I think we sometimes rattle off names with lists and don't really have much of a discussion about who should be inducted into the Projected FRL HOF. If someone is passionate about a particular artist and/or genre, I would not only listen but maybe influence me to vote for their desired artist(s). It also allows users to have some time to research bands that they may not be as familiar with and explore their discographies. I think this discussion could take place a week before actual nominations are presented by voters.

Posted by Nick on Sunday, 11.19.17 @ 02:21am


no nominees yet? when?

Posted by churva on Monday, 11.20.17 @ 10:51am


Is anyone interested in continuing the conversation on artists and genres? Any genre in particular that you'd like to start with first? I was thinking, maybe we can begin with Modern Rock/Indie Rock, since that was a bit of a hot topics last month.

Posted by Steve Z on Saturday, 12.9.17 @ 13:00pm


Steve Z,

Absolutely. I was kinda thinking modern/indie rock should be a little closer to the next election though, that way there's more of a fresh consensus on who is most deserving and has the best chances.

My proposed schedule of discussion! I kinda designed it to discuss genres more prone to vote splitting in recent years closer to the date. Thoughts?

January - Classic Rock
February - Metal & Punk
March - Pop & Disco
April - R&B & Funk
May - Rap/Hip-Hop
June - Industrial/Electronic
July - Alternative/Post-Punk
August - Modern/Indie Rock
September - Influences & Other Categories

Posted by Paul K. on Saturday, 12.16.17 @ 10:35am


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